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Is the world on the brink of war?

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Eugene Super, columnist "But", published an article “The world smells of war. Reading subtle headlines News weeks. " The author set himself the task of choosing “real news” from the bulletins. According to the analyst, "the editorials of Soviet newspapers from the height of the Cold War suddenly broke into the information space."


Is the world on the brink of war?


On October 28, two Russian strategic bomber-missile carriers Tu-160 covered more than 10 thousands of kilometers and landed at the airfield of Maiquetia in Venezuela. The Russian crews were met by Carmen Meléndez, the defense minister of Venezuela. The flight was undertaken with the aim of maintaining peace, stability and security of Latin American peoples and at the same time "forced the commanders of the North Atlantic Alliance to sweat." From the Norwegian airbase in Buda, the F-16 was raised.

Three days later, two Tu-160 landed on Nicaraguan land - on the airfield of Managua. The analyst also recalls the meeting of the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Nikolai Patrushev, and Nicaragua’s President, Daniel Ortega. The parties signed a memorandum of consultations between the High Command of the Army of Nicaragua and the Security Council of the Russian Federation, which from now on "will be implemented on an ongoing basis."

Meanwhile, a sudden check of the Russian nuclear deterrence forces took place in Russia. In large-scale exercises on October 30, forces were also involved fleetfar aviation, space defense, air defense and missile defense. The exercises confirmed the highest degree of reliability of strategic nuclear forces and all links of combat training.

And the West has begun to deploy the EuroMD system in Romania. October 29 in Deveselu started construction of the American missile base.

Earlier, on October 23, a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council at the level of defense ministers was held in Brussels. This was the first visit by Sergei Shoigu as head of the Russian military department to NATO headquarters. One of the central issues was the discussion of plans for the deployment of European missile defense and the expansion of NATO. And what is the result?

Shoigu summed up: “Joint work in this area does not work, the program is rampantly developing, Russian interests are completely ignored.”

To this list you need to add something.

First, the situation in Syria has noticeably worsened. Secondly, Saudi Arabia plays a major role in this aggravation, which threatens to thwart peace negotiations in Geneva, which, in turn, dissociates itself from the United States and declares a different foreign policy course.

A week and a half ago, Prince Bandar bin Sultan said about the withdrawal of Saudi Arabia from the orbit of Washington. According to Reuters, while talking to a certain European diplomat, the prince, who works as the chief of the intelligence service, hinted at the disappointment of his homeland with the policy of the United States.

It turned out that the United States is not a state that could cope with the crisis in Syria. The prince doesn’t like the way the White House indulges Tehran. Also, Mr. Scout recalled to the Americans how, in 2011, the United States did not support the suppression of the anti-government uprising in Bahrain - they did not act in the same team as the Saudis.

Speaking with a diplomat, Prince Bin Sultan, according to Reuters, stated that his state very soon "will significantly change the foreign policy course" and will reconsider relations with the United States.

Earlier, Riyadh was noted in the media with another demarche: the rejection of a seat on the UN Security Council. Saudi Arabia is confident that “double standards” are flourishing in this very Council. The argument was given the Palestinian issue, which is not solved for decades. Riyadh also recalled that the Security Council did not stop the war in Syria, did not clear the Middle East of WMD, and so on and so forth. In short, the Security Council did not do all that would be beneficial to Riyadh.

November 5 hosted a joint conference of Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal and the US Secretary of State. The head of the Saudi Foreign Ministry said that Bashar Asad "should not play any role in the transitional period in Syria in accordance with the agreements of the Geneva-1 conference." As notes RIA News"In an interview with Syrian television, Syrian Minister of Information Omran al-Zubi criticized this position:

“A political process should take place in Geneva, not a transfer of power or the formation of a transitional governing body. Anyone who thinks otherwise should re-read the Geneva communique or not go to Geneva at all. ”


To this az-Zubi added that Saudi Arabia’s foreign policy will fail and lead it to a dead end. The Foreign Minister explained that the future of Syria can be determined only by the Syrian people. Syria is "the cradle of civilization, and that is why it should not be given into the hands of those who do not understand civilization, humanity, freedom and democracy."

Channel "ABC" (Australia), referring to France-Press and Reuters, told 5 on November that the planned peace talks on Syria, scheduled for the end of this month, could be in jeopardy: each side claims that it will not participate without serious concessions the other side.

The Syrian government says it will refuse to participate in the forum because it cannot support a meeting aimed at overthrowing President Bashar al-Assad.

Syrian Minister of Information Omran az-Zubi said:

"We will not go to Geneva in order to transfer power in accordance with the wishes of al-Faisal and some of our foreign enemies."


To this he added:

"President Bashar al-Assad will remain head of state."


Thus, the princes this time really differed greatly from Washington. Prince Saud declared the “failure of the international community”, which is unable to “stop the war against the Syrian people.”

It is clear that this is meant by the "international community", and also it is clear what the "Syrian people" is.

The Saudi prince explicitly called for increased international intervention in the affairs of Syria. He said that this country is now destroyed - as if carpet bombing. And if it is “not disregard for human values, then I do not know what it is,” he noted.

Then he asked a rhetorical question: “If someone faces a moral choice between“ intervening ”or“ not interfering ”, what will he choose?” And he added: “Should I let it continue, or should I help, if I can do? ”

Events in Syria, he called the "tragedy."

Well, just a fighter for human rights and peace in the world.

It must be recalled that Saudi Arabia is a state where there is not a hint of democracy. It is an ordinary hotbed of Wahhabism and one of the most active and wealthy sponsors of international terrorism in the world. In addition, this monarchy is associated with the US 1973 agreement of the year: America protects it from enemies, the Saudis, in response, pledge to strengthen the US currency, that is, sell oil exclusively for US dollars. This has been going on for forty years now.

With the current crisis of weakening the United States, the Saudis can really try to pursue some kind of independent policy - at the regional level. It is rumored that they are conducting secret negotiations with Israel, the purpose of which is not to allow Iran to harden. Israel is also not nice to Israel, and Syria is nicer without Assad than with Assad. Al-Qaeda is better than Assad - something like this is the position of Tel Aviv, which the Israelis clearly explained to the world community a month and a half ago. They told the world about the difference between bad guys and really bad ones.

In an interview with The Jerusalem Post, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, said that a rebel victory (even including al-Qaeda fighters) would have been less evil than the preservation of the Syrian-Iranian alliance. “From the very beginning we said that Bashar Asad should leave. Better bad guys without ties with Iran than with them, ”the diplomat quoted "Lenta.ru".

Mr. Oren further stressed that the Israeli leadership understands that the people who are able to replace Assad are not friends of his country. “But from a strategic point of view, the Tehran-Damascus-Beirut arch, in which the Assad regime is the cornerstone, is much more dangerous,” Oren explained his position.

As for the US, the White House administration postponed the introduction of regular sanctions against Iran, which neither the Jewish state nor the Jewish lobby in Washington categorically dislikes pressure on the senate), nor, of course, the Saudis-Wahhabis, for whom Iran is not only a state of “infidels”, but also a raw materials competitor.

In the meantime, Israel has once again hit Syria. October 31 on the base of government troops, located near Latakia, was struck by an air strike: in the warehouse there were allegedly stored missiles destined for Hezbollah.

Thus, some people are preparing to rekindle the fires of the war in Syria with new force. What is sad, but not surprising: since 2011, the Saudis have invested in funding and arming militants operating in Syria, as well as in informational propaganda. The owners of this company do not want it to go bankrupt. And if the flights of the Russian Tu-160 and nuclear deterrence exercises can be called, among other things, an ordinary demonstration of force, then aggressive Saudi plans, to which other regional states will be involved, may well be a prologue to a real long and bloody war in the Middle East which will fade and roll back to history previous period of the Arab Spring.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. svp67
    svp67 9 November 2013 08: 21 New
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    It's a pity when the lives of people and entire countries become simply - the "sphere of play" of all politicians ...
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 9 November 2013 08: 47 New
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      When Russia reaches such power that it could bomb the Saudis, referring to the fact that there might have been weapons destined for the Caucasian bandit underground.
      1. eldar2116
        eldar2116 9 November 2013 09: 40 New
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        So the US is waiting for this. Saudi bombing, USA will blow up Mecca and blame the Russians. What will you guess then yourself?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2013 09: 50 New
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          Quote: eldar2116
          The United States will blow up Mecca and blame the Russians. What will you guess then yourself?

          Yes, nothing will happen, the Arabs are essentially cowardly, and the warriors from them are generally out.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 9 November 2013 10: 19 New
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            I agree with you that the Arabs are like warriors from Mr. Bullet. Assad's affairs to put it mildly on the battlefields --- "not very". How can you "dry out" the largest military warehouses? I will not insert a video. I'll give you a link, read --- there are people in the know. http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php? id = 757 & p = 18
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 9 November 2013 16: 09 New
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              1941 year. Remember "how can you"? I recognize the familiar logic ...
              1. Stix
                Stix 9 November 2013 21: 58 New
                +3
                in 1941 a counter strike under the salt was a division a dead head broke up a lot of trophies were
                1. john riker
                  john riker 2 December 2013 00: 22 New
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                  And how many heads of Fritz were on the poles?
                  my trainer was a veteran, served in a tornado, and not special bureaucrats, -And it was VOYAKA, HE PREPARED US FOR BALCANS, FOR WHAT HONOR HIM AND PRAISED, AT LEAST WE LOST THREE YEARS BACK, But Alexander Fedorovich made of us children, and we will always be grateful to him for the grave of life.
            2. catapractic
              catapractic 9 November 2013 19: 37 New
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              Firstly, [quote] [/ quote] Arabs are like fighters from Mr. Bullet. Assad's affairs, to put it mildly on the battlefields, are not very good. [Quote] Assad and the Alawites are also Arabs (although one can agree with the theory, that these are the descendants of the Cilician Armenians, but even if this is so, they have lived among the Arabs for too long, and as they say with whom you will lead from that and become pregnant).
              Secondly [quote]. How can you "dry out" the largest military warehouses? [/ Quote] - You can't pull a lamb skin on an elephant, it will break somewhere, Assad has too few elite combat-ready units on which he can rely and they cannot shut up everything holes, and if you use the whole army, then it is not known where it will turn, 70% are Sunites, and no matter how propaganda shouts about the unity of the Syrian people, the reality is much more difficult than our jingoistic patriots would like. So Assad has to be torn apart using elite divisions as a fire brigade, it is difficult to rely on the fighting qualities of the Shabiha and the Alawite militia (high motivation does not replace combat training)
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 9 November 2013 19: 51 New
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                Yes, let him put Iraqi police or Hezbollah there (on guard) (if you understand the topic). The result will be different. He will put Iraqis on patrol in already cleared areas, and there, in my opinion, the local militias will cope. And it is the conscripts after a month’s military course ... Ugh! What kind of fighters are there (given the general mentality of the Arabs)
                1. catapractic
                  catapractic 9 November 2013 20: 05 New
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                  at hezbollah, problems are about to begin at home. I’m in the subject, you remember the history of Lebanon and the terrible gr. Lebanon needs to be kept in Hezbollah-Amal war if new candidates for hegemony weaken appear from the Maronites to the Sunnis.
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 9 November 2013 20: 22 New
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                    Oleg, for some time now he began to understand this problem. Yes, there are two camps opposing each other. If you are interested and understand ... Look necessarily ---
                    1. catapractic
                      catapractic 9 November 2013 21: 15 New
                      +1
                      thanks pretty sensible interview
                  2. john riker
                    john riker 2 December 2013 00: 30 New
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                    hehemon ust ergos Russ
              2. john riker
                john riker 2 December 2013 00: 27 New
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                I've seen enough of these hirelings, as guest workers at a construction site, while you explain to them how to keep 2 km of weapons. It’s lucky that the Belarusians served in the platoon, good guys, and it’s reliable fighters, It’s a pity that I didn’t beckon me to Peter.
            3. john riker
              john riker 2 December 2013 00: 18 New
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              Dan, see what. misfortune again makes us a bargaining chip, I’m tired of being a heifer for 6 years of service, so let them bite each other, and there only special forces will have to fit in with the troops, and we, in chocolate, on the other side, Mirny will suffer, but they don’t have to., just sorry for the people that will suffer in this boiler.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 9 November 2013 11: 03 New
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            Arabs are still warriors, that’s for sure, the exception is the Arab conquest in the Middle Ages, and then the fuse ended.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 9 November 2013 12: 41 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              Arabs are still warriors, that’s for sure, the exception is the Arab conquest in the Middle Ages, and then the fuse ended.

              What kind of Arab conquest do you mean?
              1. catapractic
                catapractic 9 November 2013 20: 01 New
                +3
                medieval, what else ...
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 10 November 2013 19: 55 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              the exception of the Arab conquest in the Middle Ages, and then all the fuse ended.

              Well, Duc, the Arab conquests were successful only among their own Arabs. And then they encountered the Turks, whom they lured into Islam. All Arab chroniclers do not hesitate to write that the Arabs themselves are not suitable for the Turkic nomads as wars.
              The prophet Muhammad himself said: "Do not touch the Turks until they touch you." "The Türks will be the first to be able to take away their possession from my people." "The Türks will expel the population of Iraq from their country."
              Arab historian of the XNUMXth century Al-Ibri: “As for the Turks, this is a large nation, their main advantage lies in the art of war and the manufacture of weapons of war. They’re the most skilled at horseback riding and the most dexterous in stabbing and chopping. ”
              Caliph Umar b. al-Khattab (634-644): “It is impossible to overtake the Türks in pursuit, and you won’t take rich booty from them ... If you injured a Turk, chop off his head, for they will return from the threshold of death, and when they return, they will become more implacable through you, not on your own. ”

              Khalifa of Mu'awiyah (661-685): “Nuaym said, referring to Ibn Zul-Qala, who said:“ I was with Mu'awiyah when the mail arrived from the governor of Armenia. He read the message and was angry, and ordered the scribe to call. He told the scribe: “Write the answer to his letter ... You say that the Turks raided your lands and seized the prey, and you sent people to chase them and they returned the captured. (I tell you), do not annoy them with anything, do not take anything back from them, as if your mother had lost you in childhood and there would be nothing to compensate for the loss: I heard the Messenger of Allah say, may Allah bless him and greet him: “They will get to the homeland of our ancestors. ”

              Khuzayfa: “The Turks will capture Kufa, the Khazars - al-Jazira, and the Byzantines - al-Sham"

              According to Abu Khuraira: “The (judgment) hour will not come until people with wide faces, small eyes and flat noses come to hinder their horses off the coast of Didzhla.”

              According to the prophet: “The (judgment) hour will not come until the Türks come with small eyes, flattened noses, and red faces resembling forged shields.”

              Al-Jahiza (died 869) about the Turks: "And they have no other crafts, except for raiding, robbery, hunting, horseback riding, battles of knights, searching for prey and conquering countries. Their thoughts are aimed only at this, are subordinated only to this goals and motives, limited by them and associated only with them. They mastered these matters to perfection and reached the limit in them. It became their craft, trade, pleasure, pride, the subject of their conversations and nightly conversations "
              He: "The Turk shoots at wild animals, birds, targets, people ... He shoots, driving back and forth at full speed, right and left, up and down. He shoots ten arrows before the Kharijite Arab puts one arrow on And he gallops on his horse, descending from the mountain with a higher speed than a Kharijit can gallop on level ground. A Turk has four eyes - two on the face, two on the back of the head "

              Roughly speaking, the Arabs clapped their hands because the Turks became Muslims and began to fight on the side of the Muslims. For this, the Arabs called the Turks "the shield and sword of Islam." In addition to the Turks, the "Arab conquests" were also made by representatives of the Caucasian peoples and the Kurds. The only one who stopped the "Tatar-Mongol" in Palestine is the Turkic Mameluk Sultan Beibars, who ruled Egypt. The key figure that gave to the crusaders was Saladdin, who was a Kurd. And when the Turks stopped fighting for the Arabs, then all the Arab "conquests" ended.
              1. ale-x
                ale-x 11 November 2013 09: 36 New
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                Quote: Marek Rozny
                The only one who stopped the "Tatar-Mongol" in Palestine is the Turkic Mameluk Sultan Beibars

                National hero of the Republic of Kazakhstan .. I saw a monument in Guryev.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 12 November 2013 09: 40 New
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                  Quote: ale-x
                  National hero of the Republic of Kazakhstan .. I saw a monument in Guryev.

                  Yes, even in Soviet times, "Kazakhfilm" made films about him. Formally, the Arabs considered him a Kipchak ("Polovtsy" in Russian chronicles, the most widespread clan among the Turks, most of the Kipchaks are part of the Middle Zhuz of the Kazakhs), but the Arabs simply called all the Turkic nomads that way, Beibars is a native of the Bersh clan, not a Kipchak. Bershs lived and still live in the west of Kazakhstan, being part of the Younger Zhuz of Kazakhs.
                  The mausoleum of Sultan Beibars (in Syria) is under the official guardianship of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Since Beibars’s last desire to see his native land did not come true due to his sudden death, his native land came to him himself - they brought land from Kazakhstan to his grave.
                  In general, the Kazakhs always had a legend that the twin of Baybars allegedly died, and the sultan himself went home as a simple lonely traveler to die where he was once born.

                  By the way, the Arabs even changed one of the provisions in Islam in order to attract the Turks to their side - initially horse meat was banned (like all Semites), but because The Turks did not intend and are not going to give up the habit of eating horse meat at all, then the cunning Arabs crossed out horse meat from the prohibited products and added it to the list of "makruh" - undesirable, but permissible food for a Muslim.
                  If this had not been done, then the Turks would not even have heard about Islam, as once the Turkic (Turgesh) kagan Suluk openly declared to the Arab ambassadors that Islam is the religion of traders and farmers, and the Turks are wars, and the religion of traders is not need it.
                2. john riker
                  john riker 2 December 2013 00: 35 New
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                  They are all slaves of the Ottomans.
                  Therefore, the markets are in the Ottoman language, my ancestor beat them, and I have to take the banner, For my defender, since it’s not clear who from whom, we will restrict ourselves to old women and children, not looking at the nation.
          3. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 9 November 2013 11: 14 New
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            inherently cowardly, and the warriors from them, so generally out. but of them fanatics are scumbags carcasses of light. They can throw tanks, but with a smile, oh, they’ll drive a knife into the back
            1. catapractic
              catapractic 9 November 2013 20: 07 New
              +4
              sensible reminder, you can’t turn your back on them and backside too oslofakery laughing
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 10 November 2013 20: 04 New
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              Quote: Bashkaus
              but of them fanatics are scumbags carcasses of light.

              which is absolutely accurate.
            3. john riker
              john riker 2 December 2013 00: 37 New
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              Familiar picture.
              Today is Shuravi, and tomorrow the brain is siktim,
          4. Vladimir-35136
            Vladimir-35136 10 November 2013 06: 38 New
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            ... They will build a new Mecca, and Russia could revive its very first Mecca in Bilyar ...
          5. Pimply
            Pimply 10 November 2013 17: 45 New
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            The warriors of them are excellent. 1973 year showed it. Feedback from Israeli fighters and military leaders about the Arabs after this war was very good.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 10 November 2013 17: 56 New
              +2
              Great Pimple! Finally, they waited for YOU! Tell us, silly Goyim, the photo above (ecstasy of the USSR and probably the USA (we are looking at the flag). No, seriously, you are far from being a stupid person. The people are waiting for an explanation!
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 10 November 2013 18: 05 New
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                Quote: Den 11
                silly Goyam, the above photo (ecstasy of the USSR and probably the USA (we are looking at the flag). No, seriously, you are far from being a stupid person. The people are waiting for an explanation!

                It's funny Have any of the Jews ever called you a goy on this site? Do you know what a goy is literally? How often is it used? Do you use the word German? Who are you to represent the people? What kind of photo should I comment on your joyful wave of handles? Should I, in principle, comment on your posts shining with joyful inept trolling?
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 10 November 2013 18: 46 New
                  +1
                  Yes, ..., I ... Russian! With an admixture of German. You, ..., me, ..., will tell! You were simply asked to explain humanly! Your answer is one curse! I, ... , somehow put it badly? ...- humanly! Yes, I represent this people (and some other nationalities in my name).
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 10 November 2013 18: 57 New
                    +1
                    Guys, you understand everything!
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 10 November 2013 19: 03 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Guys, you understand everything!

                      Exactly. I think that just real men understood everything.
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 10 November 2013 19: 02 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Den 11
                    Yes, ..., I ... Russian! With an admixture of German. You, ..., me, ..., will tell! You were simply asked to explain humanly! Your answer is one curse! I, ... , somehow put it badly? ...- humanly! Yes, I represent this people (and some other nationalities in my own

                    A German, in Russian, is traditionally the same as a Hebrew goy.

                    My answer is the answer to a boring anti-Semitic boor who, being monstrously ignorant, is trying to conduct cronyial conversations with me, as if asking his fingers on his fingers, in fact, putting in a silly answer compiled by himself. You do not represent the Russian people, you represent only your ignorance and proudly bullied, forgive me.
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 10 November 2013 19: 08 New
                      +3
                      Okay. I’m a dense felt boot. But there’s something to say about the Amer’s flag with the stars of David? Believe me, they are waiting for an answer on the site. You just don’t need to say that this is a fake!
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 November 2013 19: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Okay. I’m a dense felt boot. But there’s something to say about the Amer’s flag with the stars of David? Believe me, they are waiting for an answer on the site. You just don’t need to say that this is a fake!

                        You see, Denis, for a start, learn to speak I and answer for yourself, and not try to imagine your warlike ignorance as someone else's opinion.

                        Secondly, I don’t know which pills you drink, or where and in what you see the Jewish stars of David - you can find them in bread crumbs if you wish. For you, Zog rules the world, and you are a fighter and a brave warrior. Excuse me, I see not Don Quixote, but an illiterate screamer.

                        Thirdly, ............. Deal with it. I’m already somehow getting used to this state of yours - it’s time for you too.
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 10 November 2013 19: 59 New
                        +2
                        And ..., by topic. Especially for YOU! Many people are looking at you now, try to explain to people
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 November 2013 20: 56 New
                        +1
                        If you are so illiterate as to consider the image of ANY hexagon a Jewish symbol - this is your stupidity, not a worldwide conspiracy. For your enlightenment.

                        Initially, there was no standard regarding how many final stars should be, nor how stars should be located on the blue field of the American flag. Consequently, on some flags the stars were scattered in a blue region without any order, in some stars are distributed in rows, some in a circle ... Some stars had six ends, while others had eight.

                        -24 June 1912 a government order by President Taft setting the proportions of the flag and providing for the arrangement of stars in six horizontal rows of eight in each, with a single ascending peak. (as can be seen from the photo, this is observed, stars, although six-pointed, but with the top up)

                        - 3 January 1959 a government order from President Eisenhower providing for the arrangement of stars in seven rows of seven stars each.
                        A solid American flag standard was developed only in 1959:

                        - 21 August 1959 government decree of President Eisenhower - providing for the placement of 50 stars in nine horizontal rows and eleven vertical ones. This 27 flag is the official US flag at this time. It became the official flag of 4 on July 1960.

                        This might have been the American flag if it hadn't been for Betsy Ross, who replaced six-pointed stars with five-pointed stars in the production of the first flag with stars in May 1776. Nevertheless, the number of rays on the stars was not established by any state act until 1959, and along with the "five-pointed" flags there were also "six-pointed" ones. True, there were very few of the latter.

                        It is believed that on the sketch of the flag passed to Betsy, the stars were six-pointed, but the Quaker said that they were not like the stars that we see in the sky, and convinced them to make five-pointed.

                        Also known is the so-called “Flag of Serapis” - the first US flag seen in Europe. In October 1779, the same John Paul Jones raised a makeshift flag (eight-pointed stars) over the Serapis frigate captured by the British so that the Dutch authorities could not accuse him of piracy.

                        http://subscribe.ru/group/razumno-o-svoem-i-nabolevshem/3092097/

                        This is a comment about your ignorance. To his denseness was a little clearer.
                      4. Day 11
                        Day 11 10 November 2013 21: 20 New
                        +2
                        In-in-in is already closer to the truth. And here some are asking where I got it ...
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 November 2013 21: 22 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Den 11
                        In-in-in is already closer to the truth. And here some are asking where I got it ...

                        Five-pointed stars on the US flag - worship of the USSR or the devil? And on the flag of the USSR - worship of the United States?
                      6. builder
                        builder 10 November 2013 21: 33 New
                        +1
                        After all, they explained
                        There is such a show on National Geographic (USA) - there people sell all kinds of antiques at auction. People brought such a flag (with the stars of David).
                    2. john riker
                      john riker 2 December 2013 00: 56 New
                      +1
                      I'm sorry Friend Yu
                      vch1m was the meaning of your manifest obliquely, what flag are they wearing ????
                      I personally do not care at all until they interfere with life, They do not interfere with others, although the fundamentalists are sometimes especially Orthodox Jews, my daughter These ghouls offended 2 years ago, I then wanted to raise a platoon on alarm, twist them and take them out into the desert, there are these curly-haired people to leave at the 101st kilometer, he could have shot him, but he didn't want to dirty his hands with shit, if I see these bastards in St. Petersburg, Massad will seem like paradise to them, because I will give them to the neo-Nazis, let their ass feel what kind of child is xxvfhzn uncle. pedophiles, our group worked only in St. Petersburg about "30 people 150 sentences.
                  3. Pimply
                    Pimply 10 November 2013 21: 07 New
                    0
                    Five-pointed You will be considered a sign of Satanism, or that the Americans were fans of the USSR?
                  4. Day 11
                    Day 11 10 November 2013 21: 32 New
                    +1
                    A strange question --- Of course SATANISM! Atheists. Not discussed !!! Of course there are suckers here, but not all
                  5. igor67
                    igor67 10 November 2013 21: 57 New
                    0
                    Quote: Den 11
                    A strange question --- Of course SATANISM! Atheists. Not discussed !!! Of course there are suckers here, but not all

                    Denis relaxed, tomorrow to the robot! There are stars there are no stars
                  6. Day 11
                    Day 11 10 November 2013 22: 03 New
                    +1
                    Igor, it’s always interesting to read you. He’s trying to explain something to me --- I give him arguments. I’m not your rude, unlike you (naturally you are not). Nothing personal.
                  7. Pimply
                    Pimply 10 November 2013 22: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: Den 11
                    I am not your hamley, unlike you (naturally you are not). Nothing personal.


                    Are you kidding me?
              2. john riker
                john riker 2 December 2013 01: 13 New
                0
                I’m not afraid, but I can only say one thing: you live, do not go with your charter to someone else’s monastery, my rule is ridiculous to me with your charter, otherwise you’ll be closed in a jerk with my charter, and without light. It’s a pity that the old school leaves. when we were all friends.
  • john riker
    john riker 2 December 2013 00: 14 New
    0
    Albanians in Kosovo are not fighters either,
    you’ll take it by the breasts, immediately the pants are full of gifts, and although we then protected them from each other, if only we would say thanks - hoopoes.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 9 November 2013 17: 13 New
    +9
    Quote: eldar2116
    So the US is waiting for this. Saudi bombing, USA will blow up Mecca and blame the Russians. What will you guess then yourself?


    Mecca will not be all. And yes, there will not be any Saudis yet. I think a lot to whom these things stand across the throat, and who don’t swallow so much and do not frown ... that’s just the whole trick that you have to hit so hard that from a blow to the Saudis, for example, a wig will fly off. Then not a single pro-American bitch will even blather. Unfortunately, our country has a principled position - not to violate international rules, against the background of the fact that even pissing Qatar does not value them penniless ...
    1. john riker
      john riker 2 December 2013 01: 20 New
      0
      You can make it prettier, Just make it easier Pseudo friends isolate at the first stage Economically, and then in the military sense of the word.
      then they’ll cry, and the last move is to organize a dead zone for the humanities, there the people will go mad further, then send provocateurs, and then the olp will do everything, because hunger does its own thing.
  • Realist58
    Realist58 13 November 2013 21: 42 New
    0
    Then you need to bomb the Saudis, and say that Israel did this with the United States.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 9 November 2013 09: 42 New
    20
    Yes, even now we can fuck, the United States will scream in all its throat, but they won’t do anything.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 9 November 2013 11: 12 New
    15
    When Russia reaches such power that it could bomb the Saudis, referring to the fact that there might have been weapons destined for the Caucasian bandit underground. This day will come when the Russian people get up from the stove loudly stating the whole world is Enough!
  • AVV
    AVV 9 November 2013 11: 16 New
    +5
    When America will collapse from debts, when the dollar will cease to be a commodity, and after that London will begin to sink to the bottom !!! When gays become the head of these states!
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 9 November 2013 13: 18 New
      -1
      AVV -When fatty dries, the skinny dies long ago
  • ammunition
    ammunition 9 November 2013 15: 12 New
    +7
    Quote: Igor39
    When Russia reaches such power that it could bomb the Saudis, referring to the fact that there might have been weapons destined for the Caucasian bandit underground.


    When Russia reaches such power, then the mountaineers themselves will be ready to lay the head of the Saudi king at the foot of the throne of the Russian Emperor.
  • alone
    alone 9 November 2013 16: 21 New
    -2
    Quote: Igor39
    When Russia reaches such power that it could bomb the Saudis, referring to the fact that there might have been weapons destined for the Caucasian bandit underground.


    just look at the captured weapons from the bandits and you will understand that you will not find anything there except for Russian weapons. why, after a dozen stoans, bring weapons to the North Caucasus if you can buy them from some corrupt military men.
    1. duke
      duke 9 November 2013 17: 29 New
      +8
      especially from new, "independent" states ...
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 9 November 2013 16: 50 New
    +2
    "When Russia gets so powerful that it could bomb the Saudis"
    The Russian Federation now has enough military strength for this. And if there is a clear need or military threat, such a blow will be dealt. hi
    1. clidon
      clidon 9 November 2013 17: 08 New
      +4
      Nuclear bombs (or better ICBMs) are easy, the rest is already with big problems. Arabia is not our neighbors.
  • timer
    timer 9 November 2013 17: 22 New
    11
    Nobody needs to be bombed, it’s harmful and expensive. It’s cheaper and more efficient to push the Saudis with those whom they consider to be enemies and competitors in the world. First of all, it’s Iran. And Iran is financing hezbollah. Here’s an instrument to strengthen Russia's influence in the region.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 November 2013 18: 00 New
    +2
    oh yes ... and before we could ... easily! and staff members would just quietly protest no more.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 9 November 2013 22: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      oh yes ... and before we could ... easily! and staff members would just quietly protest no more.

      Let me inquire as well before, it is when? You are not talking about the uprising of Soviet prisoners of war in Badaber (Pakistan) on April 26, 1985, when you merged yours, fearing who will say what.
      Or maybe then, when OPEC lowered oil prices from 40ka bucks to eight according to the Pndndos instigation?
  • German
    German 10 November 2013 17: 15 New
    0
    I think RUSSIA has such power (I'm just sure of it) It’s just that for some reason the GDP does not dare to show it (power) ... But it would be necessary ... Although even what the GDP does is already an indisputable indicator of the power of RUSSIA! (I emphasize, I’m not a c. of the Russian Federation, but I am Russian!)
  • rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 12 November 2013 13: 06 New
    0
    If we act like the United States, we will no longer be Russia.
  • carbofo
    carbofo 14 November 2013 13: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Igor39
    When Russia reaches such power that it could bomb the Saudis, referring to the fact that there might have been weapons destined for the Caucasian bandit underground.

    Never, we have a different mentality than the American, we are not afraid of anyone.
    So it makes no sense to bomb.
  • sub307
    sub307 9 November 2013 11: 21 New
    0
    Well, yes, sorry, of course. But when did it happen otherwise?
  • Donvel
    Donvel 9 November 2013 20: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    It's a pity when the lives of people and entire countries become simply - the "sphere of play" of all politicians ...

    They do not become, they have always been.
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 10 November 2013 00: 50 New
      +1
      were and will be
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 November 2013 08: 24 New
    +7
    Tu = 160 must constantly patrol near the borders of the Saudis .. They got it already!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 9 November 2013 09: 08 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Tu = 160 must constantly patrol near the borders of the Saudis .. They got it already!

      There are only four of them alive left, how are you going to organize "patrolling"?
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 9 November 2013 10: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Nayhas
        There are only four of them alive left, how are you going to organize "patrolling"?

        You have incorrect data. Tu-160 is now 16 pieces. Part has already been repaired and upgraded to the Tu-160M ​​version, part - will take place in the next couple of years
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 9 November 2013 10: 59 New
          -1
          Quote: Onyx
          You have incorrect data. Tu-160 is now 16 pieces. Part has already been repaired and upgraded to the Tu-160M ​​version, part - will take place in the next couple of years

          16 total of them flying 4.
          1. 0255
            0255 9 November 2013 11: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Nayhas
            16 total of them flying 4.

            Sadly sad
          2. rolik
            rolik 10 November 2013 02: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Nayhas

            16 total of them flying 4.

            Source of information in the studio, please. If it's BVDS, then don't. According to Argumenty Nedeli and Kommersant, this is not a source either.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 10 November 2013 02: 44 New
              0
              Quote: rolik
              Quote: Nayhas

              16 total of them flying 4.

              Source of information in the studio please. If it is BVS, then it is not necessary.

              4, not 4, but Schoigu recently said that with those ready for military use, everyone is worse in YES. Only 25% of the total number are operational.
              But if the problem is voiced, then they will solve it. Well, I hope...
              1. kenig1
                kenig1 10 November 2013 06: 20 New
                0
                Long-range aviation is not only the Tu-160, but also the Tu-95 in the region of 90 pcs with which the problem is.
              2. rolik
                rolik 10 November 2013 23: 51 New
                +4
                Quote: Russ69
                But if the problem is voiced, then they will solve it. Well, I hope...

                Here is some information for everyone to see, so to speak.
                The problem with swans' combat readiness is their engines. NK-32 for Tu-160 have not been produced for many years, their repairs are also very slow. As part of the federal targeted modernization program to the Tu-160M ​​version, the Kuznetsov company in Samara, which unites the design bureau and the plant, is to resume production of the NK-32 for the Tu-160, and then introduce an upgraded version of the NK-32M engine. This is not an easy task, since many factories were involved in the production of engines in the past, which no longer exist. At the first stage, in 2014, production of the NK-32 should be resumed in an unchanged, initial version, probably, a completely new engine management system. At the second stage, a modernized NK-32M engine will appear, which must undergo state tests in 2016. A new gas generator is being developed especially for the NK-32M, which will also be used in the new NK-65 (PD-30) engine with a thrust of 30 tons for large transport and passenger aircraft, as well as in the industrial engine NK-361. In addition to Samara residents, the Omsk Engine-Building Association named after P.I. Baranova announced her intention to participate in a project to revive the production of NK-32 engines for the Tu-160 supersonic strategic bomber-missile carrier.
                A number of responsible units and assemblies will be assembled at the enterprise, the regional Ministry of Industry reported. Association them. P.I. Baranova signed a preliminary agreement with the parent company of the project - OJSC “Kuznetsov”, Samara aircraft engine plant. The first NK-32 is planned to be assembled by 2013. By 2020, several dozen such engines will be produced.
                The timing varies slightly, but the main thing is that the engines are going to do and make their new modifications.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 9 November 2013 10: 53 New
        16
        Quote: Nayhas
        There are only four of them alive left, how are you going to organize "patrolling"?

        Even if so, which prevents them from being sent to Saudi flights periodically, I think Iran will provide its airspace, and secondly there is the Tu-22, the same wonderful bomber and many more. And then they hid behind the Amer’s military and do what they want, openly finance militants in the Caucasus, Wahhabis are sent to Moscow, they kill our Islamic theologians, they even threaten terrorist attacks, our patience is certainly great but not endless.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 9 November 2013 11: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: DEfindER
          Even if so, which interferes with sending them periodically to Saudi flights, I think Iran will provide its airspace

          It is quite difficult here, Iran is far from our ally, just as long as the interests converge on one issue. Allow alien warplanes into your sky. Yes, and four cars will ruin their resources for this and will be left without strategists at all ... Besides, where did you get the idea that the Saudis would be scared of them? They have very strong air forces, more than 130 units. F-15 and more than 30pcs. Eurofighter Typhoon, moreover as many as five E-3A AWACS aircraft, with such Tu-160 air forces are not scared, if Colombia was able to intercept them on its Kfirs, then the Saudis are even more so ...
          1. ruslan207
            ruslan207 9 November 2013 13: 22 New
            +7
            The x-55 missiles have a radius of 2500 km, and new ones of that 5,500 are inappropriately entering the airspace
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 10 November 2013 11: 03 New
              0
              Quote: ruslan207
              The x-55 missiles have a radius of 2500 km, and new ones of that 5,500 are inappropriately entering the airspace

              Are you proposing to scare the Kyrgyz with nuclear b / h of the Saudi?
            2. rolik
              rolik 11 November 2013 00: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: ruslan207
              The x-55 missiles have a radius of 2500 km, and new ones of that 5,500 are inappropriately entering the airspace

              Let's talk about carnations. First, about 10 years ago, serial bombers received the modernized Kh-555 strategic cruise missile. Serial production of the Kh-102 missiles has now begun. The initial armament of the Tu-95MS and Tu-160 are the Kh-55 and Kh-55SM cruise missiles with a maximum range of 2 km without an additional fuel tank and 500 km with an additional one. The Tu-3 aircraft accommodates 000 Kh-160SM missiles in two bomb compartments, on rotating six-position drum launchers MKU12-55U - the aircraft does not have external hardpoints. The Tu-6MS carries six missiles in the bomb bay - on the MKU5-95 launcher, and in the Tu-6MS5 version - another 95 additional missiles on four pylons under the wings (16x10 and 2x3). The Kh-2 missile is a conversion of the TFR with the Kh-2 nuclear submarine into a conventional weapon. Only the old versions of the Kh-555 (the "Osina" system) have undergone alterations, and not the later and modern Kh-55SM (the "Sprut" system), which remain nuclear missiles. Replacing a light (about 55 kg) nuclear warhead twice as heavy (more than 55 kg) with a conventional one changed the weight distribution of the rocket, as a result of which destabilizers were installed in the front of the X-150. The Kh-300 / Kh-555 is almost 101 m longer and about 102 kg heavier than the Kh-1,5 and Kh-1000, which is why, in order to hang it inside the Tu-55 bomb bay, it was necessary to develop a new six-position drum launcher 555A- 160K9. Recall that the older Kh-829 and Kh-3 missiles are suspended on six-position rotating launchers 55A-555 (MKU9-829) of the Tu-6MS bomber, as well as 5A-95K9 (MKU829-2) of the Tu-6 bomber. Tu-5 accommodates 160 X-160 on two in-fuselage launchers. The internal placement of the large Kh-12 is possible, since the Tu-102 was originally designed to deliver even larger Kh-102 missiles and now has an "oversized" capacity for weapons bays. SKR Kh-160, Kh-45 and Kh-555 are not all new missiles that are planned for modernized Russian bombers. It is known, although without any details, that two medium-range missiles (more than 101 km) are being designed: subsonic (X-SD) and supersonic. It is also much more common to hear about a strategic hypersonic missile. Back in 102, the Rainbow company demonstrated at the MAKS salon the hypersonic aircraft GELA, which was supposed to be the prototype of the Kh-1000 strategic missile. Fifteen years later, at MAKS-1995, GELA appeared again, this time on a poster depicting together with the Tu-90 strategic bomber. Raduga and TsAGI are still studying various models of hypersonic vehicles in wind tunnels, and several engine-building design bureaus are designing engines for them. In April 15, the Moscow firm "Soyuz" tested a model of a ramjet engine for a vehicle flying at a speed of M = 2011 at an altitude of 160 km. However, it is still too early to talk about the practical implementation of the results of these studies.
          2. 31231
            31231 9 November 2013 14: 26 New
            +9
            Colombia was able to intercept the swans ?! Where does this nonsense come from? As I understand it, to intercept this means, under threat of being shot down, to land at your airfield. In general, reading your comments, the only conclusion arises "Katz offers to surrender!"
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 10 November 2013 10: 55 New
              0
              Quote: 31231
              Colombia was able to intercept the swans ?! Where does this nonsense come from? As I understand it, to intercept this means, under threat of being shot down, to land at your airfield. In general, reading your comments, the only conclusion arises "Katz offers to surrender!"

              In fact, video with interception is on the network. So do not say so unsubstantiated.
              1. 31231
                31231 10 November 2013 19: 03 New
                0
                Maybe I'm blind, but I don’t see the coordinates of the location. Do not tell the latitude and longitude of the video? Maybe you have better eyesight.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 10 November 2013 19: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: 31231
                  but I don’t see the coordinates of the shooting location.

                  Laid out below clidon

                  We simply ambiguously perceive the notion _ INTERCEPT used by Colombians.
                  What is ... interception when everything is known?
                  Well, it was necessary puff out your cheeks , how terrible we are!
                  1. clidon
                    clidon 10 November 2013 19: 44 New
                    +1
                    How is everything known then? These are military aircraft. Therefore, they say "interception", they say they flew out, looked and did nothing. By the way, the same Japanese fly to "intercept" even if our scouts are just approaching the sea borders of the Land of the Rising Sun.
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 10 November 2013 20: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: clidon
                      How is all that known? These are military aircraft.

                      Are you seriously ?
                      This is another state and the visit was agreed a long time ago, and since military aircraft are precisely agreed upon with all states in the airspace of which they flew!
                      Date, time, type, height, speed, duration and much, much more.
                      Therefore, talking about the interception of a flight of the 160s is like talking about the interception of a flight of any passenger flight.
                      laughing
                      1. clidon
                        clidon 10 November 2013 21: 09 New
                        0
                        The visit was planned (and agreed upon) to Venezuela, and not to Colombia. At the same time, the military did not transmit any timetables and flights to Colombians.

                        Here the nuance is different - we do not consider this flight of our planes to be a violation of airspace, since we flew over the sea, and Columbia has complicated views on its zone of tervodes.
                        So from our point of view everything was in order (we did not come closer than 12 miles to the shore), but the Colombians were aroused.
                      2. Cynic
                        Cynic 10 November 2013 21: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: clidon
                        At the same time, the military did not transmit any timetables and flights to Colombians.

                        Can you vouch for this?
                      3. clidon
                        clidon 10 November 2013 21: 26 New
                        0
                        Of course not. I can’t even guarantee that Georgia was not informed about this flight. ) But Colombians are talking about this.
                        Yes, and why be surprised? That not the new fighters flew close to the two bombers?
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 10 November 2013 21: 15 New
                      +2
                      A number of Latin American states unilaterally expanded territorial waters to 200 miles
                    3. clidon
                      clidon 10 November 2013 21: 28 New
                      0
                      Explaining this by the "closed" nature of the adjacent waters and the importance of their importance for the economy. )
              2. 31231
                31231 10 November 2013 22: 52 New
                0
                You are right that the Colombians are puffing something and call a simple interception escort. And the fact that our probably the official airspace of Colombia did not violate this, I think, is a fact. For it’s not the first time they fly and they observe and practice such things. All the same, they are strategists, not drones, who control and are aware of the consequences of violating international rules.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 11 November 2013 15: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: 31231
                  Colombians are puffing something and call a simple interception escort.

                  How many people have so many opinions, so many points of view.

                  And how it warms their soul _ We (Colombia) can intercept strategic bombers!
                  For the future, ours would be nice to send escorted. And then upload the same videos with the image in the sight intercepting .
                2. clidon
                  clidon 11 November 2013 15: 39 New
                  0
                  How to drag the "escort" over such a distance?
                3. Cynic
                  Cynic 11 November 2013 16: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: clidon
                  How to drag the "escort" over such a distance?

                  The problem is solved, but not by simple means
                4. Cynic
                  Cynic 11 November 2013 16: 39 New
                  0
                  No comments

                  http://topwar.ru/35804-golovanov-i-novikov-v-venesuele-foto.html
                5. clidon
                  clidon 11 November 2013 18: 28 New
                  0
                  Tactical aviation does not even fly at such distances. Aircraft will need to be dragged there by a transporter, deploy a temporary base there, etc. It would make sense.
                6. Cynic
                  Cynic 11 November 2013 19: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: clidon
                  It would make sense.

                  There is a sense, here are the possibilities ... what
  • Gregazov
    Gregazov 9 November 2013 16: 52 New
    +2
    Interestingly, and the crews of their AWACS from which country? In my opinion, from the one with which some princes want to change relations.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 9 November 2013 19: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    if Colombia was able to intercept them on their Kfirs

    Is it possible in more detail?
    Just wondering how Colombian fighters with approximately the same speed as carcasses, with a lower ceiling, were able to intercept the strategists?
    1. clidon
      clidon 9 November 2013 19: 31 New
      0
      The video is online. Tu-160s were likely to go at subsonic speed, and Kfir came to supersonic.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 9 November 2013 19: 50 New
        0
        Quote: clidon
        The video is online.

        In such cases, they usually post a link to this same video.
        Quote: clidon
        Tu-160s were likely to go at subsonic speed, and Kfir came to supersonic.

        I’m aware that the cruising speed of the 160s is about 900, and that of the Kfirs in two swings.
        1. clidon
          clidon 9 November 2013 20: 12 New
          +3
          Laziness was to look. Well, I’ll fix it:


          I’m aware that the cruising speed of the 160s is about 900, and that of the Kfirs in two swings.

          Sorry, I did not understand. What is there for Kfirs for Mach? Cruising speed?
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 9 November 2013 20: 49 New
            0
            Quote: clidon
            Okay,

            Thank you, I think not only I'm interested.
            Quote: clidon
            What is there for Kfirs for Mach? Cruising speed?

            No maximum, like the 160s. Over 2 km / h with more than.
            hi
        2. aleshka
          aleshka 10 November 2013 05: 39 New
          0
          Kfirs have two mach-max speed, not cruising!
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  • SV
    SV 9 November 2013 20: 57 New
    +1
    You sometimes look through the news, the head of the Iranian military department was in Moscow two (or three) weeks ago, and offered to conduct a conscientious control of the airspace "for your pilots it will be a wonderful experience ... of the desert"
  • clidon
    clidon 9 November 2013 11: 38 New
    +5
    And in what place of "Saudia" can we fly around them? Who will let our planes pass through their territory?
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 9 November 2013 15: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: clidon
      And in what place of "Saudia" can we fly around them? Who will let our planes pass through their territory?

      And why go to their territory? Launch range allows the use of weapons without violating the airspace of the state.
      1. clidon
        clidon 9 November 2013 16: 44 New
        0
        Here the conversation went for "overflights". In order to use nuclear weapons against the Saudis, we will not need the Tu-160 either.
  • alone
    alone 9 November 2013 16: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: DEfindER
    Even if so, which prevents them from being sent to Saudi flights periodically, I think Iran will provide its airspace, and secondly there is the Tu-22, the same wonderful bomber, and there are many more


    Do you think Iran needs this? As soon as your planes bomb the Saudis through Iran, who will receive the first answer? Of course, Iran)))
    1. SV
      SV 9 November 2013 21: 03 New
      0
      You sometimes look through the news, the head of the Iranian military department was in Moscow two (or three) weeks ago, and offered to conduct a conscientious control of the airspace "for your pilots it will be a wonderful experience ... of the desert"
  • varov14
    varov14 9 November 2013 17: 12 New
    +2
    All you need is a "rusty" container ship.
  • Dezzed
    Dezzed 9 November 2013 17: 51 New
    +1
    And why should someone patrol? if you want to bang, picked up the plane and that's it. kerosene why burn?
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 November 2013 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: DezzeD
      And why should someone patrol?

      You can ask the Tsahal patrols, they will explain in detail why patrols are needed. You can ask the police patrols.
      bully
  • bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 9 November 2013 11: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: Nayhas
    There are only four of them alive left, how are you going to organize "patrolling"?

    Where are the numbers from? You would first go to the 100th anniversary of the Air Force, and then compare the names of the missile carriers that appear in news reports
    1. clidon
      clidon 9 November 2013 11: 16 New
      -3
      Recently they wrote in Kommersant that the percentage of combat readiness of the Tu-160 does not exceed 25-30%. As far as I understand, the main problem now is with the engines.

      PS Machines, by the way, are not 16; in reality, there are fewer troops in the troops. The Americans declare that 12 then 13 pieces. Three or four more are listed as training or testing machines.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 9 November 2013 11: 17 New
    +3
    There are only four of them alive. Do not rush to bury the Tu160, we haven’t sent Tu95 for a well-deserved rest, and he only starts to run cold sweat from the roar of the screws on the back with a stream.
  • ruslan207
    ruslan207 9 November 2013 13: 19 New
    +3
    Nayhas-There is still Qatar such a small state it is even worse
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 10 November 2013 00: 53 New
      0
      maaalenkoe, but very smelly therefore it is necessary to deal with him as with bugs am
  • SV
    SV 9 November 2013 20: 38 New
    +1
    Last week, Iran itself proposed something similar / in the framework of developing cooperation /
  • Stix
    Stix 9 November 2013 22: 04 New
    0
    don’t fly and not four pieces
  • kenig1
    kenig1 10 November 2013 06: 15 New
    0
    Before writing, understand the question.
  • clidon
    clidon 9 November 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    You will burn fuel and a resource, but what's the point?
    1. varov14
      varov14 9 November 2013 17: 21 New
      0
      That's right, you want to fight, go horse.
  • Topside
    Topside 9 November 2013 16: 27 New
    0
    With the Saudis, you need to do the same as the Americans at the time with Japan. It's like a cold compress on hot heads. (Especially since they were going to buy YaU from the packs)
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 9 November 2013 08: 24 New
    +6
    Alas, all this becomes clear when you read the Bible prophecies. Here is the story, as with the "Voronya Slobodka", which could not help but burn ("The Golden Calf" by I. Ilf and E. Petrov).
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 9 November 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    if there is a war, the Middle East will explode like a powder keg.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 9 November 2013 08: 33 New
      +4
      And the light is selected, selected to the fuse.
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 9 November 2013 17: 55 New
        -2
        the fire goes where it blows. to blow and to the north can
    2. Migari
      Migari 9 November 2013 11: 22 New
      +1
      This is now the task for Russia, if this barrel breaks, then in Saudi territory.
  • a52333
    a52333 9 November 2013 08: 25 New
    +7
    Oh, Bandar will be talking soon! It is impossible for Arabia to lose the United States., Otherwise the last warning may not be from Onishchenko, but from Shoigu.
    1. Fin
      Fin 9 November 2013 09: 55 New
      11
      Quote: a52333
      Oh, Bandar will be talking soon! It is impossible for Arabia to lose the United States., Otherwise the last warning may not be from Onishchenko, but from Shoigu.

      Yes, it seems to me and the Yankees will soon get tired of it. We are waiting for the BBC, CNN & K to start talking about democracy in the SA. What kind of people, the United States pulled them out of the Middle Ages, transplanted them from camels to Maybach, gave them golden toilets, and they spit in the giver's hand. They imagined themselves to be the arbiters of history, it’s time to put the drivers in their place. Let the Americans smoke on the sidelines, we have accumulated with them too.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 10: 25 New
        +7
        Quote: Fin
        We are waiting for the BBC, CNN & K to start talking about democracy in the SA. What kind of people, the USA pulled them out of the Middle Ages, transplanted them from camels to Maybach, gave them golden toilets, and they spit in the giver’s hand

        It has already begun quietly, although not as wide as it was in August 2008.
      2. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 9 November 2013 22: 01 New
        0
        Damn it was nice to read
        Quote: Fin
        Waiting for the Air Force
        ... in the context of "The Air Force will start telling ..."
        Well then they will tell so tell ...
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  • Kiliny
    Kiliny 9 November 2013 08: 27 New
    28
    You live, do not touch anyone, and then suddenly bam - democracy!
    1. Alex Nick
      Alex Nick 9 November 2013 20: 34 New
      +4
      under the USSR, everything was in place. Enemies were called enemies, and now partners. Like we are their helpers, only in what, it is not clear.
  • Ols76
    Ols76 9 November 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    It is a tragedy that "someone" is preparing to reignite the fire of war in Syria.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 9 November 2013 08: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Ols76
      "someone" is preparing to reignite the fire of war in Syria.

      Yes, in my opinion, it is already "burning" more than now.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 9 November 2013 08: 47 New
    16
    Israel is the main instigator and provocateur. hi
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 9 November 2013 09: 50 New
      16
      In confirmation of the above, the following:This year, the Israeli Air Force has repeatedly launched air strikes on Syrian targets, violating international law and the sovereignty of the ATS.

      On January 31 of this year, the Israeli Air Force destroyed one of the facilities of the military research center near Damascus - two employees were killed and five more were injured.

      On May 3 and 5, 2013, air strikes were carried out on four districts in the suburbs of the capital - Kaddasiya, Dzhamarai, Al-Khama and Sabura - where two teams of the presidential guard were stationed. About 300 Syrian troops were killed.

      In July this year Israel dealt another air strike on a missile depot in the Latakia region.

      On October 23, Israeli military aircraft attacked a convoy of Syrian trucks on the border between Lebanon and Syria, allegedly with missiles, which were intended for militants of the Lebanese Hezbollah movement.

      The latest Israeli attacks cannot be called a provocation aimed at deepening the armed conflict. First of all, due to the fact that these Israeli actions coincided with the destruction by Syria in time of international agreements of all declared equipment for the production of chemical weapons and the mixing of their components. Thus, official Damascus clearly fulfilled its obligations under the disarmament program. Syria's actions have been praised by OPCW inspectors, the international community and in Washington. More details: http: //ru.journal-neo.org/2013/11/08/rus-snova-izrail-skaya-p
      rovokatsi
      ya-protiv-sirii /
      All this suggests that Israel is the main source of tension in the Middle East and, accordingly, around the world. hi
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 10 November 2013 18: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Valery Neonov
        In confirmation of the above, the following: This year, the Israeli Air Force has repeatedly launched air strikes on Syrian targets, violating international law and the sovereignty of the ATS.


        You wave the word sovereignty as if it were some kind of shield. You know what sovereignty is, what happens when the interests of two sovereignty conflict. Do you know that there is a war between Israel and Syria? Not?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 10 November 2013 19: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          You wave the word sovereignty as if it were some kind of shield.

          Is not it so ?
          Quote: Pimply
          . Do you know that there is a war between Israel and Syria? No?

          Yes, yes! Between Israel and Syria.
          But between Syria and Israel there is none.
          hi
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 10 November 2013 19: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            But between Syria and Israel there is none.

            Yes? Have you read such a contractor from the 1974 year? On the separation of the parties. There, clearly indicated by the Syrians, there is a special mention: this division of the parties DOES NOT SPEAK ANYTHING ABOUT PEACEFUL INTENTIONS OR PEACEFUL AGREEMENTS OF ANY KIND.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 10 November 2013 20: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              Did you read such a contractor from 1974? On the separation of the parties. There, clearly marked by the Syrians

              Yeah, therefore, Israel clearly performs it, carrying out regular attacks on the territory of Syria, unlike itself.
              Respected Pimply , well, why did you pretend that you did not understand what my post was about.
              The truth is yours, but I think the further it is, the harder it will be for you and your like-minded people lubricate Israel Apparently, he is clearly following a course of toughening his actions, both political and military.
              By the way , walking in the wind forum users under the flag of Israel tightened their remarks.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 10 November 2013 21: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                Yeah, therefore, Israel clearly performs it, carrying out regular attacks on the territory of Syria, unlike itself.
                Dear Pupyrchaty, well, why did you pretend that you did not understand what my post was about.


                You seem to have not read the contract. In which black and white refers to the separation of forces in a particular section of the Golan. AND EVERYTHING. ESPECIALLY SPECIFIED, if it is still not clear that this agreement is in no way a peace agreement under any circumstances. You're not a stupid person, are you? They must be able to read, and understand what they read.


                Quote: Cynic
                The truth is yours, but I think the further it is, the more difficult it will be for you and your like-minded people to excuse Israel. Apparently, he is clearly following a course of toughening his actions, both political and military.

                Are you kidding, right? Before whom to "otmazyvat" Israel? Before you, who, trying to talk about international law, has not read a single document on the topic?
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 10 November 2013 21: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  this agreement is by no means a peace agreement under any circumstances.

                  Tell me where is it disputed by me?
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Before you, who, trying to talk about international law, has not read a single document on the topic?

                  Not funny .
                  I say the same
                  Quote: Cynic
                  the further you go, the harder it will be for you and your like-minded people to ot Israel
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 10 November 2013 21: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Cynic
                    Not funny .
                    I say the same

                    You say nonsense. There is a separation of forces in one particular section of the border. Between Israel and Syria - the war, from the 1948 year. If you don’t understand how a war can last for a long time, study history, for example, remember the Hundred Years War, which was also not continuous wetland. You do not understand that Israel and Syria have already entered the phase of hostilities more than once, that Syria FIG knows how many years has been supplying terrorist organizations and howling with their hands.
                    And you are carrying some nonsense about "otmazyvat". Before whom, before you? And who are you?
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 10 November 2013 21: 36 New
                      +1
                      Pimpled, I know that you have a PERSONAL for the Asad family. Until you dust them, do not calm down. Am I right?
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 10 November 2013 22: 26 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Pimpled, I know that you have a PERSONAL for the Asad family. Until you dust them, do not calm down. Am I right?


                        Are you stupid again, Den? And his ignorance?
                    2. Cynic
                      Cynic 11 November 2013 15: 58 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      And you are carrying some nonsense about "otmazyvat". Before whom, before you? And who are you?

                      It has long been said
                      "You take up lightning instead of an answer, which means you're wrong."

                      I do not in any way associate myself and you with the characters of the dialogue, but I think the essence is clear.
                      Yes, even
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Israel and Syria have already entered the phase of hostilities more than once, that Syria FIG knows how many years has been supplying terrorist organizations and howling with their hands.

                      And, most importantly, they do not recognize that the Golan is Israeli.
                      Since 1967 they don’t recognize the year, these are so bad!
                      We do not agree that Israel needs to grow and grow, not Palestine alone to grow!
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 11 November 2013 18: 07 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Cynic
                        And, most importantly, they do not recognize that the Golan is Israeli.
                        Since 1967 they don’t recognize the year, these are so bad!
                        We do not agree that Israel needs to grow and grow, not Palestine alone to grow!


                        Does Japan recognize the Kuril Islands as Russian? Spain recognizes Gibraaltar British? Does Argentina recognize the Falklands as part of England?

                        To grow is, for example, the return of Sinai - a territory twice as large as Israel?
                      2. Cynic
                        Cynic 11 November 2013 19: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Does Japan recognize the Kuril Islands as Russian? ...

                        An iron argument, one might even say reinforced concrete! Who does not know about this. That's just _ Do you agree with the possibility of revising the outcome of the Second World War? It’s worth starting ...
                        sad
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 11 November 2013 22: 00 New
                        0
                        Quote: Cynic
                        That's just _ Do you agree with the possibility of revising the outcome of the Second World War? It’s worth starting

                        Examples of mass and others. The Kuril Islands are the most famous. And the appearance of Israel - Do you really think that this is only a consequence of the Second World War?
                      4. Cynic
                        Cynic 11 November 2013 22: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Do you really think that this is just a consequence of the Second World War?

                        Familiar _ After, does not mean as a consequence of that.
  • Dezzed
    Dezzed 9 November 2013 17: 58 New
    -6
    Absolutely right! By the way Polar bears and Pandas can already be counted on the fingers, where are we going to Syoma?
    1. m262
      m262 9 November 2013 23: 42 New
      +2
      Man, explain why Israel is silent about the purchase of S.A. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons ???
      You need it by your side ??? Moreover, they already have the means of delivery, but how will their "pryntsy" decide that Israel is bothering them ???
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 12 November 2013 21: 41 New
        0
        if you mean that Israel is more pleasant Yao some Arabs more than other Arabs, then this is probably not the case.
        And about why our bark at Iran and no Saud, hell knows. In my opinion, there is little sense in barking.
  • makarov
    makarov 9 November 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    ". On October 28, two Russian strategic missile-carrying Tu-160 bombers covered more than 10 thousand kilometers and landed at the Maiketia airfield in Venezuela ...
    Three days later, two Tu-160s landed on Nicaraguan soil - at the Managua airfield. .. "
    Uv. Author. Do not drive the "blizzard", they were the same planes. with a kind and friendly crew, and with the same goals.
    The rest of the vehicle "analytics" was also covered on the pages of the site, and the comments gave a proper assessment. So I don't see the news component in the "analysis".
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 November 2013 08: 49 New
    +6
    Saud need to be wetted .. there’s the main nest and they don’t even hide it!
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 9 November 2013 23: 55 New
      +1
      let Iran deal with this and need to help it a little bit with weapons, info ...
  • maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 9 November 2013 08: 50 New
    +7
    And what is there to be surprised at, the Saudis have been openly preparing militants for terrorist organizations around the world for about 20 years, hiding this training under theological courses. Many of our "sheikhs" also passed through them. This army of militants is scattered throughout the world. But now this is not enough. They are already ready for interstate aggression. They will buy more nuclear weapons in Pakistan and start with the United States or Israel: they don't care. In any case, it will only be a temporary union. And then the same Jews will fall under the boots of the victorious Saudi princes.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 9 November 2013 09: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: maxcor1974
      And what is there to be surprised at, the Saudis have been openly preparing militants for terrorist organizations around the world for about 20 years, hiding this training under theological courses. Many of our "sheikhs" also passed through them. This army of militants is scattered throughout the world. But now this is not enough. They are already ready for interstate aggression. They will buy more nuclear weapons in Pakistan and start with the United States or Israel: they don't care.

      For some reason, it is hard to believe that the Saudis will dare to play "their game" without overseas patronage.
      The beginning of a large-scale war NOW is not included in Israel's plans, even if not strange "by someone else's hands."

      That's why the Israeli prime minister is going to Moscow ...

      And the Saudi’s intention of acquiring nuclear weapons doesn’t fit into the view of the Israelis in the way they want the Middle East ...
      1. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 9 November 2013 09: 46 New
        +6
        It seems to me that under the current rule of Beni Natanyahu, Israel has ceased to adequately respond to what is happening. It seems that they have no unity in the government about the reaction to the Arab Spring initiated by Washington (as well as in Washington itself). The situation in the Middle East got out of control, became uncontrollable. There is a redistribution of spheres of influence. So everyone rushes about in search of new unions. And religion plays far from the first role in this. So Benya rushes about in cities and towns.
        In general, the East is a delicate matter ...
        1. 31231
          31231 9 November 2013 14: 37 New
          +3
          yeah, what? Benya is a typical Jew. Who gives more gesheft with that and unites. Assad would have bowed to him and Iran would have been opposed to Alkaeda. They swear the United States, he defends their position. And the US position was swallowed by the Saudis and Qatar. Only Russia rested and the United States retreated.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 10: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: Corsair
        For some reason, it is hard to believe that the Saudis will dare to play "their game" without overseas patronage.

        I agree. They probably didn’t agree on the price, but the mattresses have a fire at home with the economy.
        Quote: Corsair
        That's why the Israeli prime minister is going to Moscow ...

        The comrade has outlived ... It is clear that there will be trade on the subject of the Syrian issue.
      3. Onyx
        Onyx 9 November 2013 15: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        For some reason, it is hard to believe that the Saudis will dare to play "their game" without overseas patronage.

        You're right. There are clear contradictions in the Anglo-Saxon elite. Without them, this whole story with Snowden and wiretapping would not be possible (the media, first of all the Anglo-Saxon ones that promote Snowden, would simply not talk about him and he would not be interesting to anyone). So, Saudi Arabia would not have made such statements without authorization from Washington and London (because, if anything, it would not be difficult for the United States to carry out a revolution in Saudi Arabia).
    2. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 9 November 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      [quote = maxcor1974] They will buy nuclear weapons back in Pakistan and start with the USA or Israel: they don’t care. [/ quote
      For me, in this situation, it is easier for amers to nail down such "former friends" who raised their hand against the owner, and to register new princes on the Arabian Peninsula who have not yet become overtaken ...
  • Asgard
    Asgard 9 November 2013 08: 54 New
    +8
    The carcasses flew without "load", there was a rumor that a high-ranking official from the Ministry of Defense was taken.
    I wonder what kind of urgency? burned a thousand tons of kerosene for HUMAN delivery ......

    The Saudis began to pursue their own ??? INDEPENDENT ??? politics from Washington)))))
    FOR SO MANY YEARS WATCHED IN THE MOUTH ...... and the time when especially the impotent Arabs need support, BECOME "independent" to horror ... FUNNY.
    Oleg just had to write ... The UAE was ALLOWED to say something (having carefully instructed at the same time)) - that they are "independent"))))))))
    So that the United States is not tied to the "provocations" of the Arabs against SYRIA AND IRAN .... (yes, I also forgot the Jews))

    The world is on the eve of "interesting events", "pawns" are placed, And the "main player" seems to have nothing to do with it))))) The Americans have typed a "bag of seeds" and will spit on the outside watching the beginning of "CONFLICT", the Anglo-Saxons seem to be like " third party "...... to emerge later on the" winner "side ...
    And there won’t be a WINNER !!! Everyone will lose, Americans will still need coffins for 4 people))) they have purchased for the next several years
    back ..
    The destruction of MANKIND begins ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2013 09: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Asgard
      The carcasses flew without "load"

      With a load or not, they won’t tell us. Everything else is fiction and rumors.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 9 November 2013 11: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Asgard
      The carcasses flew without "load", there was a rumor that a high-ranking official from the Ministry of Defense was taken.

      But what is a high-ranking person from the Moscow Region, is this not a burden?
      This is not ironic, it is not always necessary to go through passport control, but the crews practice.
    3. clidon
      clidon 9 November 2013 23: 15 New
      0
      And "Ruslan" (who accompanied the "carcasses") carried there a chair for a high-ranking official brought by two Tu-160s? ))
      Most likely they flew with inert missiles; flight training firing was not planned.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 9 November 2013 09: 12 New
    0
    The Syrian army again excelled, handed over the SSA warehouses with weapons in Makhin, an incomplete list of trophies:
    "10 thousand rockets" Grad "
    10 thousand 107-mm rockets
    20 thousand 120-mm mortar shells
    10 thousand tank shells and thousands of artillery shells
    Millions of cartridges for a Kalashnikov assault rifle
    4 thousand anti-tank missiles “Competition”
    4 million liters of diesel in an underground storage at a depth of 30 meters
    10 tanks "
    For unbelievers reference:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlM_MKZxpic
    Assad warriors deliver their carelessness ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 10: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: Nayhas
      Assad warriors deliver their carelessness ...

      So would you help them or something ...
      And then you grind everything the wrong way. laughing
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 9 November 2013 14: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: Nayhas
      The Syrian army again excelled, surrendered the SSA warehouses

      This distinguished the Russian army, putting SSA this weapon.
      In the video there is a dusty floor of warehouses, holes in the walls from shells, and boxes not dusted from the sides, only a little from above when stacking piles - a new batch was put into these warehouses after capture.
      For some reason, the list contains only the weapons that the militants themselves use in large quantities and there is no old nonsense like 180 mm shells for S-23 or ammunition for German weapons that were in Syria, is also used in this war (Cancer - 40), but rarely .
      Conclusion - the warehouse area was seized, the guards were like partisans, ammunition like Bumblebee or stronger was used against them, judging by the heaps of those who died in the shelters, perhaps the chemistry - there were not enough blood and burns, but the ammunition in the warehouses was small and now they brought new ones, for video in including, because storing them there in the presence of aviation from Assad is more than strange.

      Quote: Nayhas
      Assad warriors deliver their carelessness ...

      It’s the Russian Federation that takes care of the terrorists because nobody else supplies them with so many weapons and specialists, and Assad’s warriors are held for the third year, the USSR has been asked for 2 days ... and.
    3. 31231
      31231 9 November 2013 14: 39 New
      +5
      You are voicing such figures, it directly seems to me that now Assad has nothing to fight. Not from the Israeli infa site? 4000 missiles contest ?! Do you yourself believe that ?! Although what I ask. Katz still offers to give up.
      1. Kars
        Kars 9 November 2013 14: 52 New
        +2


        tank unit of rebels / rebels.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 10 November 2013 01: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          tank unit of rebels / rebels.

          wheelbarrows with barrels - MTO cars ... but cars - headquarters .. management .. OMIK .. Special Department ..... wassat
        2. 31231
          31231 10 November 2013 19: 08 New
          0
          How many I watch the video from those places, I have never seen at SAR half a dozen strewn with contact with a brand new camouflage.
          You won’t throw me a link where the same 55s are fighting on the side of Assad?
      2. alone
        alone 9 November 2013 16: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: 31231
        You are voicing such figures, it directly seems to me that now Assad has nothing to fight. Not from the Israeli infa site? 4000 missiles contest ?! Do you yourself believe that ?! Although what I ask. Katz still offers to give up.


        and there’s nothing strange in these numbers, Sergey hi! The main thing is that this is not the first time! But as for the fact that Assad has nothing to fight, it's too early to talk about it
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 9 November 2013 17: 17 New
          +3
          There is a list rounded to tens of thousands - this is a supply, not a wartime warehouse ...
          There is a video with a half-open stack of boxes and the sound of an airplane - the pilot does not spend a bomb on such a target ... because these are boxes, shells from which are in positions in dugouts, in cars, tanks. A few shells are shown and that’s all - an excuse for delivering from the outside.
          The boxes in the broken guard are old, in the warehouse are new and stand upright - it’s so hard to stack the full ones, and empty ones are easy. Propaganda war.
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas 10 November 2013 11: 21 New
        0
        Quote: 31231
        You are voicing such figures, it directly seems to me that now Assad has nothing to fight. Not from the Israeli infa site? 4000 missiles contest ?!

        It is clear that the CCA, to put it mildly, is lying. But is that really the case?
        1. 31231
          31231 10 November 2013 19: 12 New
          0
          It is clear that the CCA, to put it mildly, is lying. But is that really the case?


          But you then submit it in the commentary without doubts and reservations. You do not seem to and should understand what an information war is, but for some reason I have a firm opinion about your writings "Katz offers to surrender!"
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 11 November 2013 20: 02 New
            0
            Quote: 31231
            But you then submit it in the commentary without doubts and reservations. You do not seem to and should understand what an information war is, but for some reason I have a firm opinion about your writings "Katz offers to surrender!"

            In general, as they say, the warehouses in Mahina are the second largest in Syria. Therefore, the amount of ammunition was clearly large. The description indicated that the warehouses were seized after a batch of weapons was delivered to them, this, in principle, and is noticeable by the clean boxes with inscriptions in Cyrillic. Most likely, this ammunition was received from Russia recently and they so easily passed it to the FSA! I'm putting emphasis on this! Well, what the hell is this for the warriors who themselves "supply" weapons to their enemies?
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 12 November 2013 01: 41 New
              0
              If there were a lot of ammunition - why didn’t they explode during open storage?
              In the Russian Federation, the same shells from cigarette butts allegedly light up in warehouses, and there is a whole war - where is the fire and the scattered shells?
              The warehouse was empty or close to it, this fact is simply unprofitable for both sides - the SSA receives ammunition from the Russian Federation and Ukraine, but is hiding behind "capture"; then supplies from Iran, Egypt, Venezuela will be more visible.
              The war is quite world, but presented as civil.
              1. clidon
                clidon 12 November 2013 06: 38 New
                0
                dozens of warehouses do not explode here. Although such "open storage", especially in the 90s was a dime a dozen.
    4. SV
      SV 9 November 2013 21: 32 New
      0
      how much is it in trotyl equivalent?
    5. e3tozy
      e3tozy 9 November 2013 23: 22 New
      +2
      This is not true. There 30 buildings of which three were captured, after the photo session the militants were soaked. Roads captured and blocked by the army. And on the perimeter, too, everything is blocked. Although the militants are still trying to do something in this direction. The militants themselves admitted that they managed to capture about four buildings, but to keep the warehouses and withdraw weapons is a problem. Everything is blocked.
    6. Horst78
      Horst78 11 November 2013 01: 04 New
      0
      4 thousand anti-tank missiles “Competition”
      And here, in more detail about such an amount, please
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 09: 25 New
    16
    Events strongly resemble the situation in Europe in the summer of 1939:
    - countries hastily re-equip themselves, erecting SDs (read deploy EuroPRO systems);
    - conferences on peace talks (Geneva-2) remain only in the plans (reminiscent of the invitation of the USSR to the negotiations of England and France), and if Geneva-2 takes place, it will face the fate of negotiations in Moscow in August 1939;
    - Europe pretends that "... everything is fine, beautiful marquise ...", and is just waiting for the organized gangs of Islamic radicals to rush to Central Asia, to the Caucasus, when the Middle East and North Africa flare up;
    - Turkey has every chance to repeat the fate of Czechoslovakia.
    Didn't notice today's Lord Chamberlain with his fig leaf "I brought you peace!" But, maybe it will be announced - "a holy place is never empty."
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 9 November 2013 09: 30 New
    +1
    At least they blew it all up. After all, everything will fly on their heads. How not to twist, but why are they missing, or somewhere?
  • kmike
    kmike 9 November 2013 09: 46 New
    +5
    Something must happen in this region. And as for America, if Obama doesn’t change his mind and does not start a war in Syria, he could end like Kennedy. The International War Party and the US military-industrial complex will not forgive him weaknesses for Russia. Vanga prophesied that a great war was coming with the Muslim world and Russia would emerge victorious from this war. May God grant this prophecy to come true.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2013 09: 53 New
      10
      Russia may be in alliance with Muslims against the same Wahhabi devils and their sponsors from the West and the Gulf.
    2. Elm
      Elm 15 November 2013 20: 16 New
      0
      God forbid this prophecy will come true! .. In any case, Russia will emerge victorious, but it would be better without a won!
  • Professor
    Professor 9 November 2013 09: 56 New
    -20 qualifying.
    In the meantime, Israel has once again hit Syria. October 31 on the base of government troops, located near Latakia, was struck by an air strike: in the warehouse there were allegedly stored missiles destined for Hezbollah.

    "It is correct to write like this: Meanwhile, Israel once again allegedly hit Syria. October 31 at the base of government troops located near Latakia, allegedly an airstrike was carried out, allegedly containing missiles intended for Hezbollah. "
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 9 November 2013 11: 43 New
      12
      Yes, Jews have always been famous for their resourcefulness. In everything "Ostensibly", is it weak to say "firm YES or NO" at least once in your life? Let's take Old Man Lukashenko as an example, he said that the German minister was a sodomist, he said how he cut off the tolerant "Ostensibly" without any need, calling everything by its proper name.
      I am not reproaching you, but as good advice, just you yourself will soon get confused in your "supposedly", climb into G-but up to your ears and wake up piteously meowing, and for us - the Russians again, the whole world of these lies and filth will be cleansed, In principle, not in a zapadlo, but I'm pretty tired of it, you can be said to have been freed from the fascist ovens, and you? paint monuments to our tanks pink, demolish monuments to our grandfathers. Do we need it? it is worth doing good to people, as they immediately sit on your neck. And what is your option that Russia will go into isolation this time, we have resources, unlike Israel, we can wonderfully survive without the rest of the world. He will put tanks on the border so that the mouse does not slip through, and let the rest of the world at least erase itself into powder, only without us please
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 9 November 2013 13: 47 New
        10
        Quote: Bashkaus
        And how do you like the option that Russia will go into isolation this time, we have resources, unlike Israel, we can miraculously survive without the rest of the world.


        the same Iran lives under sanctions, practically in isolation, and puts nothing on everyone with the device .. And Russia, even more so. Experience is even worse than that of Iran.
      2. Dezzed
        Dezzed 9 November 2013 18: 11 New
        -11 qualifying.
        I will ask for less lyrics. And then you have a "menister sodomy" then
        Quote: Bashkaus
        you can say from the fascist stoves freed


        less text more clarity. thank

        ps do not throw a figure like how many of "us" "you" pulled out of the ovens?
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 9 November 2013 18: 24 New
          11
          ps do not throw a figure like how many of "us" "you" pulled out of the ovens?
          This is what was required to prove: no thanks.
          And at the expense of the stoves, our grandfathers somehow did not count the quantity, but silently fulfilled their human duty.
          Something like this was:
          1. alex86
            alex86 9 November 2013 18: 42 New
            +4
            Quote: Bashkaus
            our grandfathers

            You very rightly noticed that they were our common grandfathers, and there is no need to try to divide them into "ours" and "not ours." Anti-Semitism is very characteristic of this site, but there is no need to insist on it.
            And as for
            Quote: Ascetic
            lives under sanctions, practically in isolation and nothing, puts on everyone with the device .. And Russia even more so. Experience is available and worse
            , then the intonation is such that you want it. The idea often sounds here, they say, do not like it - so get out of here. So, what I say - I want someone to live in isolation (under sanctions) - so get out of here. I want to live in a country that is not proud of the opportunity to live in isolation, but is proud of the opportunity to live in peace with all its neighbors, and this is my country. And who wants to fight, can bring down to Iran.
          2. Dezzed
            Dezzed 9 November 2013 20: 09 New
            +1
            our grandfathers were on both sides of the barbed wire.
            1. alex86
              alex86 9 November 2013 21: 32 New
              0
              In this context, to be honest, I did not understand ...
        2. Elm
          Elm 15 November 2013 20: 23 New
          0
          ... Ask your grandfather.
      3. Professor
        Professor 9 November 2013 23: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Bashkaus
        paint the monuments to our tanks in pink, demolish the monuments to our grandfathers.

        It’s you who beguiled us with someone. We do not have such numbers.

        it is worth doing good to people, as they immediately sit on your neck.

        What kind of good is this? I don’t remember? Or Wi about helping the Arabs?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 9 November 2013 13: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      in stock there allegedly there were missiles destined for Hezbollah. "


      intended by JACOB for Hezbollah. Having said A, I must say B. And then it turns out nothing ...
      Bashkaus
      I’m not reproaching you for this, but as good advice, just you yourself will soon get confused in your "supposedly", get into Mr. But to the ears and wail meow mournfully,

      Already confused ...
    3. m262
      m262 9 November 2013 23: 58 New
      +1
      I am redirecting my question (I really want to hear the opinion of the Professor):
      Man, explain why Israel is silent about the purchase of S.A. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons ???
      You need it by your side ??? Moreover, they already have the means of delivery, but how will their "pryntsy" decide that Israel is bothering them ???
      1. Professor
        Professor 10 November 2013 00: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: m262
        Man, explain why Israel is silent about the purchase of S.A. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons ???

        Yes, because it is a newspaper duck and nothing more.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 10 November 2013 00: 11 New
          +2
          Mr. Professor, since Eugene went into denial, Maybe you can reveal this secret? People are waiting ... Enlighten, please, silly Goym ...
        2. m262
          m262 10 November 2013 00: 20 New
          0
          Thank you, then we sleep peacefully, we are waiting for the exposure. hi
          1. Professor
            Professor 10 November 2013 08: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: m262
            Thank you, then we sleep peacefully, we are waiting for the exposure. hi

            And there will be no disclosure. This duck as flew and will fly nowhere.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 10 November 2013 08: 38 New
              0
              nothing in this world usually happens, now, you must admit, that there is a beautiful Russian road, and for 5 minutes of narods Poplars walked along it on a march, now, damn it, dialectics ...
              1. Alexha
                Alexha 10 November 2013 10: 30 New
                0
                Poplars do not travel alone, there is a combat duty support vehicle and an armored personnel carrier. They are based in certain controlled areas (otherwise, Basayev would have captured a couple of pieces with his horsemen a long time ago), and, accordingly, drive along the same roads - in the fall or spring, these columns would smash this primer into the trash. So Poplar just did not go on it.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 9 November 2013 10: 08 New
    +2
    One detail is missing - passionarity. After all, mercenaries cannot be called revolutionaries. It seems that the US withdrawal this time is not like the Libyan one - with the same haste, the tail is between the legs. The feeling that the Jewish dominant in the world is kirdyk. The Saudis realized that the holy place is empty, they are trying to take it, but the trend is not the same. The deployment of 50 militants will lead to the deployment of 000 Iranians, and nothing else. We will wait for other events: the revolution in Saudi Arabia (for this, the instructors are preparing, I think, the converted Saudis in Syria); the entry of a limited one million Chinese contingent into Afghanistan; a change in the course of Israel, apparently with a change of government, an emphasis on peace negotiations, a massive exodus of Jews to the United States and Europe; quiet fading of "revolutionary" sentiments in other Arab countries. Next in line is the China-India conflict, but this has nothing to do with the United States. The states are going into hibernation.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Asan Ata
      one million limited entry of the Chinese contingent into Afghanistan;

      Do they need it? They are also mercenaries, from among the neighbors of Afghanistan, will be hired.
      Quote: Asan Ata
      change of course of Israel, apparently with a change of government

      Israel has one permanent task - to survive surrounded by hostile countries. While coping ...
      Quote: Asan Ata
      States go into hibernation.

      Well ... it's unlikely ...
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 9 November 2013 11: 50 New
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Do they need it? They are also mercenaries, from among the neighbors of Afghanistan, will be hired.

        There is no one else besides Pakistanis ... Although there is a rational grain in your words, perhaps it will be like a "peacekeeping contingent" of Pakistanis and Chinese. Very likely...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 11: 55 New
          +6
          Quote: Nayhas
          perhaps it will be like a "peacekeeping contingent" of Pakistanis and Chinese. Very likely...

          I could be wrong...
          But serious leaders of the Middle Kingdom are unlikely to get involved in military operations outside the PRC with doubtful chances of success. Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region they have and since the bone is in the throat. And there is the Pamir, and unresolved border problems with India.
          It is easier to BUY than to OCCUPIATE, the more so to WIN.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 9 November 2013 12: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Asan Ata
      One detail is missing - passion. After all, mercenaries cannot be called revolutionaries.

      But there isn’t her, this passionarity, the invention of an unwise philosopher (he didn’t turn to call a scientist a name).
      1. SV
        SV 9 November 2013 21: 52 New
        0
        you are wrong, passionarity is an important factor, look at the whole development of world history.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 10 November 2013 12: 58 New
          0
          Quote: SV
          you are wrong, passionarity is an important factor, look at the whole development of world history.

          Passionarity is ignorance of natural causes.
  • Renat
    Renat 9 November 2013 10: 08 New
    +6
    By and large, when was this world not on the brink of war?
  • UVB
    UVB 9 November 2013 10: 14 New
    10
    The games are over ...
    1. alex86
      alex86 9 November 2013 19: 09 New
      +2
      Come on...
      As Grishkovets said, the best thing we did was to sink our ships in spite of the enemy. Therefore, there is no need to pout with arrogance, but it takes a long, hard and hard work so that the fleet again becomes pride and a real force, and not the basis for "hurray-patriotic" and slightly hysterical emotions. The deed must be done, and not beautiful phrases to pronounce.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 9 November 2013 10: 22 New
    0
    Americans are slowly merging this region out of their sphere of interests. This is the reason for the growth of oil production in the United States. It is becoming unprofitable for them to control all this and keep their debts higher than the roof. Hence the statements and dissatisfaction of two faithful allies of Israel and the Saudis. As we see, they have to decide what the us have done together is the union of two spiders in the bank, as soon as possible, one will gobble up the other.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 11: 24 New
      10
      Quote: morpogr
      Americans are slowly merging this region out of their sphere of interests. Hence the growth of oil production in the USA

      No offense ... Well, how does the second follow from the first?
      Amers had and will be the sphere of activity - to meddle everywhere they get it. And spoil as far as possible from its borders.
      Growth of production of GAS, shale? Corruption in its purest form, when mining companies ask for money (and a lot), promising to get off the "pipe", Arab and Russian.
      1. morpogr
        morpogr 10 November 2013 11: 34 New
        0
        The fact of the matter is that further stirring up where there is no longer any authority they have no sense and money Iraq, Libya, Egypt quarrel with the Saudis refusing their oil, switching to their own shale and draining information to the media that Israel struck Syria. Plus disobedience to the Jewish lobby is all links of the same chain. Europe, too, is not a helper for their problems; a lot of migration, crisis, the war in Libya showed that they are not helpers militarily, plus negotiations with Iran, which again infuriates Israel and the Saudis and withdrawal from Afghanistan, hence they conclude curtail their activities in this region, of course, something will remain, but what was earlier will no longer be.
    2. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 9 November 2013 11: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: morpogr
      Americans are slowly merging this region out of their sphere of interests

      Quote: morpogr
      Hence the growth of oil production in the usa

      Now, unlike the 70s-80s-90s, they need a high level of oil prices in the foreign market in order to earn real money. And for this, OPEC should reduce the supply of interest by 20-25. And since OPEC does not want this at all, prices can be supported by the creeping democratization of the same OPEC countries.
    3. Irtysh
      Irtysh 9 November 2013 12: 13 New
      +5
      And Americans also need to increase the cost of oil and gas in order to make cost-effective production of shale hydrocarbons on their territory. This means that the Saud is coming to an end. And by the hands of the Americans. Hence the goats of Bandar.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 9 November 2013 10: 25 New
    0
    The first thing that came to mind after reading: No, this is not Vsevolod Ovoyinnikov analyzed.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 9 November 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    "Shoigu summed up:" Joint work in this area does not work out, the program is developing uncontrollably, Russian interests are completely ignored. "

    Now we need real things, such as Russia's withdrawal from all treaties that are holding back our defense and offensive potential. Let the NATO itch.
  • beloffladimir
    beloffladimir 9 November 2013 10: 54 New
    +3
    More and more terrible. This is the road to a unified world order. For some reason, no one talks about it.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 November 2013 11: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Nayhas
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Tu = 160 must constantly patrol near the borders of the Saudis .. They got it already!

    There are only four of them alive left, how are you going to organize "patrolling"?

    There is such a method of refueling .. And not necessarily the TU-160 .. (although the "White Swans" make a splash more effective ..) I doubt very much about four .. (although even these 4 can answer ..)
  • sub307
    sub307 9 November 2013 11: 23 New
    +5
    The fact that long-range aviation "started working" is good news.
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 9 November 2013 18: 15 New
      -3
      Of course the soul rejoices. Unless, of course, the symptoms of a global war are pleasant.
  • 222222
    222222 9 November 2013 11: 31 New
    +4
    About war and war games ..
    November 1.7, 2013 marks the 30th anniversary of the United States' strategic exercise to test one of the options for waging a nuclear war against the USSR and the Warsaw Pact "Skillful Shooter-83"
    Tut on the arrow collected .. http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ablearcher/
    The anniversary of "Able Archer-83" coincided with the conduct of a similar exercise by the US Armed Forces of today, "Global Thunder-14" ("Globan Thunder-14"). typing in your mouth two O ..
    2. Scenarios of a possible military conflict between the Russian Federation and the USA: commentary on the article by the RSMD expert Valery Alekseev
    from 6 11 13 g
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1728971.html#ixzz2k4eYjOGe
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 9 November 2013 11: 53 New
    +1
    <<< On November 5, a joint conference was held between the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Saudi Arabia, Prince Saud al-Faisal, and the US Secretary of State. The head of the Saudi Foreign Ministry said that Bashar al-Assad “should not play any role in the transition period in Syria ... >>>
    From the excess of money and megalomania, the Saudis seemed to have a dull brain and they decided that they could dictate their will to the Muslims of the world and become their only indisputable religious leader and, through them, spit on moral standards and international law, decide the fate of other nations! Well, it does not hurt to know the gentlemen of Saud and Faisal, what can be obtained for SUCHAL!
  • novobranets
    novobranets 9 November 2013 12: 04 New
    +4
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/208/qeqv504.jpgУкраинская сторона оценила каждый из имевшихся самолетов в 75 миллионов долларов. Москва неоднократно пыталась сбить цену, но Киев стоял на своем. Не нашло поддержки и российское предложение об обмене "тушек" на тактические самолеты и запчасти к ним. Украинские бомбардировщики, на полноценное обслуживание каждого из которых требовалось более одного миллиона долларов в год, тем временем приходили в негодность. Одновременно усиливалось давление госдепартамента США, требовавшего от Украины соблюдения договора СНВ-2, согласно которому СССР должен был избавиться от стратегических бомбардировщиков до 4 декабря 2001 года.

    In 1998, the liquidation of the Ukrainian Tu-160 began, which so worried the US military. To do this, under the Nunn-Lugar program (collective threat reduction program), the Americans have allocated eight million dollars. On November 16, 1998, in the presence of American Senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin, the first Ukrainian Tu-160 with tail number "24", produced in 1989 and having 466 flight hours, was solemnly dissected. The equipment for cutting aircraft was supplied by the American company Raytheon.
    1. Kars
      Kars 9 November 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: novobranets
      The Ukrainian side estimated each of the available aircraft at $ 75 million. Moscow repeatedly tried to bring down the price, but Kiev stood its ground

      For starters, they still waited more than 5 years, and for the Tu-160, 75 million is not money. And barter for other planes and spare parts? Why? If there was no money for fuel aircraft of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

      as the gas was offered, so everything was decided.
      1. alex86
        alex86 9 November 2013 19: 29 New
        +2
        It should be noted that after the collapse of the Union, Russia treats everyone (including Ukraine) as if everyone owes it. And Ukraine is already an independent state and no matter how offensive it is that they did not want to give the Tu-160 for 1/10 of the cost, but this is the right of Ukraine. It was necessary to think when the Union was falling apart, and then "it's too late to drink Borzhom". And we would generally calm down and understand that we need to observe our own benefit and not wait for money (conditionally) to be given to us "for fraternal ties". For those who are especially concerned about Russian sovereignty - for me Ukraine is the second Motherland, I was born there for the second time in 86 and although I do not agree with much that is happening there, but this is an internal matter of Ukraine and there is nothing to tell them - let them fill their bumps themselves.
    2. Elm
      Elm 15 November 2013 20: 56 New
      0
      What a fright Russia had left these planes for them in general: USSR debts - only to us, and the entire economy - equally!
  • poquello
    poquello 9 November 2013 12: 11 New
    +2
    The Saudis wanted a bomb, it’s like the organizer of terrorists in our Caucasus will now have a bomb. Who will tolerate it.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 9 November 2013 12: 25 New
      +3
      The Saudis Kattar ... in my opinion played out .. We will soon drive them with their white camels with golden teeth in the Arabian desert to UAZs .. (so that after 100 years at the word Russians they genetically sensed us in the desert .. race with camels. .) So it will be ... !!
      1. poquello
        poquello 9 November 2013 17: 13 New
        +3
        "Riyadh demands permanent membership of Saudi Arabia in the UN Security Council following the recent resignation of its seat on a non-permanent basis," Al Arabia TV reported on Saturday.
        http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/11/9/658842.html

        That’s who the people turned out to be amusing, but they all laughed at over the USA.
      2. Dezzed
        Dezzed 9 November 2013 18: 18 New
        +1
        God help you !!!
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 9 November 2013 19: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: DezzeD
          God help you !!!


          God is with us - so who is against us ?!
          1. alex86
            alex86 9 November 2013 19: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Cynic
            God is with us

            This is you, excuse me, to the photo? ("I won't tell anyone." Woland, "The Master and Margarita", MA Bulgakov) In order not to wait for an answer (if, God forbid, positive) - the devil, of course, was originally an archangel, but he is God, everything -also, did not ...
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 9 November 2013 19: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: alex86
              Is this you, excuse me, for the photo?

              Hmm, the possibility of such an interpretation did not even enter my head.
              In general, _ as if his phrase.
              bully
  • Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 9 November 2013 12: 48 New
    +6
    The world is going to hell, this is clearly seen in the latest events in the world. The question is how our country will approach this war. Everyone has long known that during the Chechen and Dagestan campaigns, our so-called "partners" supported "peaceful rebels" who fought for "democracy." The whole world then turned against us.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 13: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
      The question is how our country will approach this war.

      "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye"!
      1. DimYang
        DimYang 9 November 2013 17: 38 New
        +3
        Of course, opinions vary. But personally, I'm tired of waiting for a big war to start. Sometimes this is the only way out. For us too. You can't teach a monkey to grow bananas, she only knows how to collect them. The same is with the Saudis and Qataris, it is high time to teach them, punish them. With their hands, the Zionists from the Washington, Teliavsky, London regional committees are fighting against not some blacks or Chinese, they us. And it's not even about Syria or Iran. Without our opposition, they will settle their affairs with them anyway. And they will turn them against us. Cunning ... the owners of the Zionists, as true cosmopolitans, are not attached to the Sunnis or Shiites, they don't care who will do their will. China, by their will, has already become an assembly shop. For the Semitic Arabs, they prepared an eternal war (they are not provided for in the Torah), but only so that they kill each other or us together with the "proud" mountaineers. The conclusion suggests itself - to weaken the Saudis and Qataris as much as possible, but not to destroy, it is impossible to give the Shiites "full freedom", otherwise they will be immediately reoriented to us. And without war there, well, we can’t do it. Maybe someone will come up with a financial way to weaken them, well, only then we can do without war. For example, I don't see any other way.
        Well, after that, we will have time for about 20 years to sort out our forces - to deal with internal enemies, slowly from time to time to create an independent economy from external artificial shocks, and then in order. Next is only our expansion around the ball and, of course, into space. Otherwise, standing still = moving backward. 2 paragraph is the way to go.
  • scientist
    scientist 9 November 2013 12: 52 New
    +1
    There was news of Saudi Arabia’s intention to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan. It is difficult to imagine the consequences of such a development. Negotiations should immediately begin with Iran and China, and possibly Syria, to create missile defense systems on their territory, similar to what the United States is doing now in Europe.
  • T-130
    T-130 9 November 2013 12: 52 New
    +1
    Either I don’t know something or don’t understand, but it seems to me more profitable for Israel to try to be friends with Assad than to fight Alkaeda!
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 9 November 2013 18: 21 New
      +5
      +

      During the reign of Assad, the pope and son border the Syria-Israel; was relatively calm. Not about the pranks of 1973.

      Bashar Israel can skole kolega.
  • sega72
    sega72 9 November 2013 12: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    The Saudis Kattar ... in my opinion played out .. We will soon drive them with their white camels with golden teeth in the Arabian desert to UAZs .. (so that after 100 years at the word Russians they genetically sensed us in the desert .. race with camels. .) So it will be ... !!
    Your words, yes, to God’s ears.
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 9 November 2013 13: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: Igor39
    When Russia reaches such power that it could bomb the Saudis, referring to the fact that there might have been weapons destined for the Caucasian bandit underground.
    Need a Russian march to Jerusalem - these are US eggs ...
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 9 November 2013 18: 22 New
      0
      Prapor-527 Well and sho personally holds you?
  • homosum20
    homosum20 9 November 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    In general, one should take a closer look at the Saudis. And take more time. This brick is used to build the power of the United States (oil - the dollar - the world currency), Islamic terrorism (Bin Laden and the sequel) - yes, you can list for a long time. Saudi money feeds instability anywhere in the world (not always directly, but there is almost always a trace). If you cover this shop - life will become much calmer.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 14: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: homosum20
      If you cover this shop - life will become much calmer.

      I agree.
      The geopolitical link "mattress-Arabia" spoiled a lot of blood.
  • Frenzzze
    Frenzzze 9 November 2013 14: 18 New
    +2
    Finally, the situation is changing in our direction.
    Quote: Prapor-527
    Need a Russian march to Jerusalem - these are US eggs ...

    And even after that, these eggs pop out somewhere. They, like gypsies, are eternal. (Meaning the Jews)
  • Unisonic
    Unisonic 9 November 2013 14: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: T-130
    Either I don’t know something or don’t understand, but it seems to me more profitable for Israel to try to be friends with Assad than to fight Alkaeda!

    Israel benefits from a scenario in which Arabs kill each other, destroy their WMD, etc. Saudi Arabia is still under Washington’s control on a short leash. And no al-Qaeda will attack Israel until a command from Washington is given.
    It happens like that. For many years, it’s Hezbollah (Shiites) -Syria (Alawites) -Iran (Shiites) are opponents of Israel, not Saudi Arabia and various Salafi (see Wahhabi) groups.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 9 November 2013 14: 53 New
    +2
    As long as Russia exists, absolutely nothing will change anywhere globally. The ability to finish us off in the 90th has dried up. And in the east, someone has been fighting with someone for at least a couple of thousand years at least. We need to lower the iron curtain along the line of the Caucasus and calmly observe how they are there extinguish each other. There are no our interests there. In Europe, our interest is with the Chinese. With a few yuppies.
  • kaktus
    kaktus 9 November 2013 16: 02 New
    +4
    It is necessary to help your allies, i.e. army and navy. Then the rest will be quiet, especially small but proud yes
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 9 November 2013 16: 50 New
    +7
    It is vital for China to run in its army, because China’s entry into the group of large players will not take place without bloodletting. The final solution to the Afghanistan problem will close the problem with the Uyghurs, oil and gas. If you think, besides this, there are a dozen more reasons for China to enter Afghanistan. For Russia, this is + -, plus - holidays on Islamic issues and the opportunity to get on their feet during this period, minus - strengthening China as a regional leader. However, China may break its teeth, because a real war is not a parade on Tiananmen.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 17: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Asan Ata
      It is vital for China to run in its army, because China’s entry into the group of large players will not take place without bloodletting.

      There is logic ...
      But 10 years ago, no one considered China a major player in financial and economic terms.
      Quote: Asan Ata
      However, China may break its teeth, because a real war is not a parade on Tiananmen.

      This is it ...
      And maybe China is waiting for a "kamikaze" who will clear a clearing for a picnic.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 9 November 2013 17: 59 New
    +1
    Isn't it time to set up private military companies in Russia to fulfill the "versatile" tasks of the government for a fee? And apply them in the Middle East.
  • Dan master
    Dan master 9 November 2013 18: 15 New
    +1
    The latest news, Saudi Arabia demanded a permanent place in the UN, http://ria.ru/world/20131109/975726648.html, and this mutton 4mo was going to intervene in all world affairs? and support moral freaks and idolaters.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 10 November 2013 02: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Dan Master
      The latest news, Saudi Arabia has constantly demanded a place at the UN,

      Dreaming of who will give them ....
  • Day 11
    Day 11 9 November 2013 18: 55 New
    +7
    And where is our Pupyrchaty? Evgeny, the question is not right. Can you explain? I started to understand but everything is dull. There are assumptions, speculations, etc. I couldn’t find a clear answer. This still life is from the Act on the unconditional surrender of Germany (signed on the night from May 8 to May 9, 1945)
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 9 November 2013 19: 01 New
      +3
      Naturlich +)))
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 9 November 2013 19: 06 New
        +2
        Ja-ja! And it's true!
    2. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 10 November 2013 10: 28 New
      +1
      Can anyone explain the stars of David here?
    3. builder
      builder 10 November 2013 20: 22 New
      0
      All to you to be engaged in Masonic conspiracies. Five-pointed stars on the flags.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 10 November 2013 20: 46 New
        +1
        I’ve painted it myself in Photoshop! Why, did I invent this topic myself? Is there such a show on National Geographic (USA) - people sell all kinds of antiques at auction. People brought such a flag (with the stars of David). The discussion went on --- that, for how much ...? In short, learn the question! Http: //o001oo.ru/index.php? showtopic = 18220
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 10 November 2013 21: 02 New
        0
        Quote: stroitel
        All to you to be engaged in Masonic conspiracies. Five-pointed stars on the flags.

        Until 60's there was no exact regulation on the number of ends of stars: there were five, six, and eight. Five-pointed just met most often.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 10 November 2013 21: 24 New
          +1
          Oh, how! Yes, in general, all this is complete h-nya. It was possible to draw squares. The meaning will not change, right?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 10 November 2013 22: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            Oh, how! Yes, in general, all this is complete h-nya. It was possible to draw squares. The meaning will not change, right?


            That's right, the point is your primeval ignorance.
      3. Day 11
        Day 11 10 November 2013 21: 26 New
        +1
        Learn the story, buddy!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 10 November 2013 22: 27 New
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          Quote: Den 11
          Learn the story, buddy!

          The man said, considering any six-pointed star a sign of the Jewish conspiracy
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 10 November 2013 22: 53 New
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            I understood everything about you. I have nothing to talk about with you anymore. Not interesting.
            1. builder
              builder 10 November 2013 23: 04 New
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              How so. Kina will not be?
              Den 11 Today, 19:25 | The results of the week. “We survived. We can say that we found, washed, cleaned it from the trash in the garbage dump - and he paints us with figs! ”
              Guys, general gathering! Go to the branch "the world is on the brink of war?". There the pimply tries to justify everything. Responsible for all Israelis (!) Ask questions
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 10 November 2013 23: 24 New
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                Electricity is over ... In general, the questions are for your co-religionist
                1. builder
                  builder 10 November 2013 23: 41 New
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                  Electricity has run out ...

                  Again they are to blame ...
                  In general, questions to your fellow believer

                  That is, we ...
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 10 November 2013 23: 46 New
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                    That is, to you ...
                    1. builder
                      builder 10 November 2013 23: 48 New
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                      What minusikov instructed in the photographs?
    4. builder
      builder 10 November 2013 20: 26 New
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      Reims, May 7, 1945. Also five-pointed.
      Where did you dig your photo?
  • Black
    Black 9 November 2013 20: 05 New
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    The world is on the brink of war ....
    In my humble "opinion" - the last 50 years it has been impossible in principle. Nobody wants a big war. Neither Europe (it is better to lgbtet than to fight, ... they have completely forgotten how to be "ready for death"), nor Russia (do they want Russian wars ?? - no!), Nor China (and so on so far goes well). If necessary, we will extinguish the Middle East in a few hours.
    So, let the military sing this song (they won’t, they’ll begin to think less about them), and we will sit and play it.
  • Guterjunge
    Guterjunge 9 November 2013 20: 33 New
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    It should be noted that after the collapse of the Union, Russia treats everyone (including Ukraine) as if everyone owes it. And Ukraine is already an independent state and no matter how offensive it is that they did not want to give the Tu-160 for 1/10 of the cost, but this is the right of Ukraine. It was necessary to think when the Union was falling apart, and then "it's too late to drink Borzhom". And we would generally calm down and understand that we need to observe our own benefit and not wait for money (conditionally) to be given to us "for fraternal ties". For those who are especially concerned about Russian sovereignty - for me Ukraine is the second Motherland, I was born there for the second time in 86 and although I do not agree with much that is happening there, but this is an internal matter of Ukraine and there is nothing to tell them - let them fill their bumps themselves.
  • Cedar
    Cedar 9 November 2013 21: 07 New
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    oil ends there, so the Americans leave. the struggle for Arctic resources is coming and Russia is one of the main players. This player is having problems in the south and west to divert forces and resources from developing the Arctic treasury and weaken before the battle.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 November 2013 21: 48 New
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    Lord! Have you traded with the Arabs in the market? The profit ends - the bargain ends.
    So are the Saudis: it will be advantageous with the United States — they will be with the United States, advantageous with Israel — they will be with Israel. They are not fools. The global financial crisis poses a bunch of questions for Saudi Arabia. And the main thing: what if the US starts to weaken faster than it can be reacted? This is a search for new allies, and try to become a stronger player against the backdrop of the fall of the giants. The Saudi prince came with an offer to buy weapons in Moscow. The goal is to strengthen the kingdom and push the decision on Syria to their advantage, combining also the beginning of a serious relationship with Russia. Given Russia's weaker position compared to the United States, a more equal partnership in the future will result. Knowing the venality in relation to their allies, the Saudis could count on success and put the Russian elite on their financial needle for a long time. Fortunately, Putin is neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin. And so there could be a new movement of the center of power. Saudi Arabia extends influence to Syria, the United States leaves Iraq and Aganistan, Turkey does not receive any preferences in the Middle East and, to the heap, Russia's loyal position on all issues as a nuclear power and a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
    It turns out that upholding Syria is for Russia a struggle for the status of a Great Power.
  • vuvarovskiy
    vuvarovskiy 9 November 2013 23: 15 New
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    There are no words, what are all knowledgeable in matters of war and peace? History is a pity nobody teaches the mind to reason, it is necessary to shed rivers of blood so that mankind learns to coexist peacefully with each other!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 November 2013 23: 23 New
      -5
      Where are you from, Miracle? From which stone did you crawl out? You shouldn’t go to this site! They can send for such a thing ... Nah
  • kargrom
    kargrom 9 November 2013 23: 24 New
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    I was mistaken, you understood, They know, you know how! (T.I. Goncharova)