Ukrainian patriotism must be banned

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Ukrainian patriotism must be bannedWe need to live without Russia. In general, without Russia, and not two-faced, as we have lived all previous years ... To live in a European way, preferably with border posts, with a visa regime on the Russian-Ukrainian border, with migrant workers in Moscow as Asian drug traffickers. You need at least one day to become really independent and forget about Russia ...

It's time to become Ukrainians and fundamentally abandon Russian gas. How much can people rinse brains? Throughout all the years of its existence, the Ukrainian government only did that it fought for energy independence from Russia ... while receiving the cheapest gas from Russia in Europe. Why this mournful moan about the machinations of the Muscovites? Absolutely all the contracts that were signed with Gazprom, by the signatories themselves from the Ukrainian side, served as the greatest achievement of the Kiev negotiators. What claims can now be to Russia? Kuchma, Yushchenko, Timoshenko, Yanukovych are still alive, and we must ask from them how the most profitable contracts turned out to be the most unprofitable.

It's time to boycott the Russian market. To impose restrictions on the export to Russia of any products with the inscription "Zrobleno in Ukraine." In the twenty-third year, it is time to stop feeding Muscovites. This is already starting to bother. It is time to curtail all cooperation with Russia, and destroy the entire legacy of the "colonial regime", along with factories and institutions. Let the Europeans build other plants here. The sooner we drank the Soviet legacy, the faster we will get another? Logical ?!

We must live in such a way that the Russian spirit in Ukraine does not smell. So that not a single Russian film goes on Ukrainian TV channels, not a single Russian song is played on any Ukrainian radio. So that on all 365 concert and theater venues, Ukrainian talents "turned off" would perform "off".

We need to live without Russia to understand that without it we are nobody. Empty place.

In Ukraine, they are used to being Russian in one hemisphere of the brain, and being Europeans in the other, which is responsible for the realm of fantasy. I got used to speaking in Russian, reading Russian literature, watching Russian films, listening to Russian pop music, and calling myself Ukrainians. It's time to start honestly hating Russia with each of its cells, and not be a Russophobe or Russophile when it is profitable.

We must become Ukrainians and see what happens next. Because, despite the abundance of patriotic infusions, there are fewer and fewer Ukrainians in Ukraine. What normal Ukrainian patriot can support the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union, which de facto deprives its homeland of sovereignty? No, a normal Ukrainian cannot support this. However, where did you see the last time a normal Ukrainian? On a political talk show where one elite asshole reproaches another such asshole for betraying national interests of the country or corruption, and millions of viewers rejoice! After all, the saddest thing is that in Ukraine everyone knows everything about everyone, they know who the oligarch is, who is the thief, who is the traitor, but neither the society nor the law enforcement agencies are concerned. An amazing people who learned to deceive themselves and be proud of it.

Come on, why bash my eyes to shame, don't the Ukrainian patriots dream of changing their passport for any European country? Throw a book with a trident in one place and forget about it as a serious illness. I dream that all European integrators at one moment collect their manat and leave for Europe, dear to their hearts. To their spirit was not here. In order not to fool the head of normal people with their idiotic tales. Let there be those who, with their own hands, without cheap words about patriotism, will be ready to work for the good of their country.

Ukraine is the worst place in Europe. Patriotic patriots resent my words, they say you can not cast a shadow on the bright name of Ukraine. The name may be bright, but the country is in shit. And the main merit is that of these same patriots, who 23, speculate on the national feelings of Ukrainians for personal gain. How many times I went over the names of the Ukrainian rulers in my memory. If only one decent man got caught. A wonderful country, which for so many years has not given birth to a single decent person. Go forward a hundred years ahead, think what historians can write about good modern Ukraine? Do you seriously believe that there will be at least one kind word? Me not.

Ukrainian patriotism must be banned. For each declaration of love for Ukraine should be punished as for a large consignment of drugs. Why do we need this "opium for the people"? I understand that many Ukrainian politicians will find it difficult to do without all this patriotic verbiage, because these leaders cannot say anything meaningful. And the Ukrainians themselves are waiting for breaking, because in their choice they are accustomed to focus on vulgar words "to love Ukraine." But once you have to start telling the truth: there are no Ukrainian patriots in Ukraine, and therefore the topic of Ukrainian patriotism must be closed.


Necessary addition:

"Impartially weighing the chances, we conclude that it is as likely and plausible that the new Ukrainian culture will satisfactorily solve the task of adapting the lower floor of a cultural building to people's roots, it is equally incredible that this culture can solve any other problem satisfactorily a new "upper floor" capable of satisfying the highest demands of the intelligentsia to a greater extent than the corresponding upper floor of the former, all-Russian culture. Successfully competing with an all-russian culture in satisfying higher spiritual needs, new ukrainian culture will not be able to .first of all, it will not have that rich cultural tradition that common culture has, and adherence to such a tradition and originating from it greatly facilitates the work of the creators of higher spiritual values , - even in the case when it comes to creating fundamentally completely new values. Further, for the creation of higher cultural values, the qualitative selection of creators is of tremendous importance. Therefore, for the successful development of this aspect of culture, it is necessary that the volume of the ethnic whole in which a given culture develops should be as large as possible: the more numerous the carriers of a given culture, the greater (other things being equal) the absolute number of those born among these carriers will be talented people, and the more talented people, the first, the more intense the development of the “top floor” of culture, and, second, the stronger the competition; competition, on the other hand, enhances the very quality of cultural construction. Thus, even with other things being equal, the “top floor” of a single culture of a large ethnological unit will always be qualitatively more perfect and quantitatively richer than those of cultures that could develop separate parts of the same ethnological unit, working for themselves, independently of others parts. Every open-minded representative of this ethnological whole cannot but be unaware of this, and therefore, naturally, with full freedom of choice, it will “opt” for the culture of the ethnological whole (in our case, for all-Russian culture), and not for the culture of a part of this whole case for Ukrainian culture). Opt for Ukrainian culture can therefore only be either a person in a certain way prejudiced or, a person whose freedom of choice is constrained.

At the same time, all that has been said applies both to the creators of higher cultural values ​​and to “consumers”, that is, connoisseurs of these values: by their very nature, every creator of higher cultural values ​​(if only he is truly talented and conscious of his strength) so that the products of his work become available and be evaluated by as many real connoisseurs as possible; and every true connoisseur ("consumer") of such cultural values ​​of the highest order, in turn, strives to make use of the products of creativity of the greatest number of creators; This means that both parties are interested in expanding, and not in narrowing the field of a given culture.

Restricting this field can only be desirable on the one hand for mediocre or mediocre creators who want to protect themselves against competition (the real talent of competition is not afraid!) most and able to appreciate a particular product of cultural creativity only insofar as it is included in the scope of this regional variety of culture. Such people will mainly opt against all-Russian culture and for a completely independent Ukrainian culture. They will become the main adherents and leaders of this new culture and impose their stamp on it - the seal of petty provincial vanity, triumphant mediocrity, stereotype, obscurantism and, moreover, the spirit of constant suspicion and perpetual fear of competition. These same people, of course, will try in every possible way to restrict or completely abolish the very possibility of a free choice between all-Russian and self-Ukrainian culture: they will try to prohibit the Ukrainians from knowing Russian literary language, reading Russian books, getting acquainted with Russian culture. But this will not be enough: you will have to instil in the whole population of Ukraine a sharp and fiery hatred for everything Russian and constantly maintain this hatred by all means of school, press, literature, art, at least at the cost of lies, slander, rejection of your own historical past and disregard of your own national shrines For, if the Ukrainians do not hate everything Russian, there will always be the possibility of optics in favor of an all-Russian culture. However, it is not difficult to understand that the Ukrainian culture, created in the setting just described, will be very bad. It will not be an end in itself, but only an instrument of politics and, moreover, a bad, viciously chauvinistic and provocatively vociferous policy. And the main engines of this culture are not real creators of cultural values, but manic fanatics, politicians hypnotized by obsessive ideas. Therefore, in this culture everything, - science, literature, art, philosophy, etc. d., - will not be self-valuable, but will be biased. This will open up a wide road to mediocrity, reaping cheap laurels by subordinating to a tendentious stencil, but will bite the mouth of real talents who cannot limit themselves to the narrow blinders of these stencils. But, most importantly, we can very much doubt that this culture will be truly national. Fully embody in the cultural values ​​of the spirit of national identity can only real talents, working not at all for some side political purposes, but only because of irrational internal attraction. Such talents in the above-described vicious situation will have no place. Politicians will mainly need one thing - as soon as possible to create their own Ukrainian culture, no matter what, just so that it does not look like Russian. This will inevitably lead to a feverish imitative work: what to re-create, is it not easier to take ready-made from abroad (if only not from Russia!), Hastily invented Ukrainian names for cultural values ​​imported in this way! And, as a result, the “Ukrainian culture” created under such conditions will not be an organic expression of the individual nature of the Ukrainian national identity and will differ little from those “cultures” that are hastily created by different “young nations”, statisticians of the League of Nations.

These are the unattractive prospects that await Ukrainian culture if it wishes to replace the all-Russian, force out the all-Russian, in general, if it embarks on the path of competition with the all-Russian culture. The situation in which every cultural Ukrainian will have to decide whether he wants to be Russian or Ukrainian, this situation will inevitably entail the selection of cultural workers that is extremely disadvantageous from the point of view of the development of Ukrainian culture. By raising the question of Ukrainian and all-Russian cultures in the form of a dilemma (“or-or”), Ukrainians condemn their future culture to that unremarkable state that we have outlined above. From this it follows that such a formulation of the question is essentially unprofitable for Ukrainians. In order to avoid the above-mentioned deplorable future, Ukrainian culture should be built in such a way as not to compete with the all-Russian one, but to complement the all-Russian one, in other words, the Ukrainian culture should become an all-Russian individualization of the culture.

Above, we have already indicated that the “lower”, i.e. facing the foundation of the people, the floor of a cultural building should be built anew, and that in this building Ukrainian culture quite naturally can and should show its individuality; on the other hand, we pointed out that on the top floor of the culture, which includes the highest cultural values, it is impossible for Ukrainian culture to compete with the all-Russian one. Thus, some natural delineation of the sphere of general Russian and Ukrainian culture is outlined here. The distinction is, of course, not yet exhausted by the above, because after all, besides the “lower” and “upper” floors mentioned by us, the culture should also have “intermediate” and intermediate floors. But, nevertheless, the very principle of this distinction is indicated. "

Prince Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetskoy

The article was published in the collection "Eurasian contemporary", book V. Paris, 1927
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  1. +9
    6 November 2013 08: 28
    What claims can now be against Russia? Kuchma, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko, Yanukovych are still alive, and here they must be asked how the most profitable contracts turned out to be the most unprofitable.

    Something with their memory became, and what was not with me I remember ...
    1. +44
      6 November 2013 08: 37
      Quote: aszzz888
      Something with their memory became, and what was not with me I remember ...

      Briefly about memory and the consequences of its falsification:
      1. +22
        6 November 2013 10: 51
        In gangster-fascist Ukraine, a ban on freedom of speech. Markov and his supporters have been arrested for kind words addressed to Russia. Dismissal and a ban on the profession for this is in the order of things. Praise and bow before the harem men themselves, Eurogays, and, well, just gays.

        Thanks to the site for the fact that at least here in Russia it gives an opportunity to speak out for real Ukrainians, and not for zombie svidomites and henchmen of the occupation regime. From Ukraine it is every time "reportage with a noose around the neck."
        1. Akim
          +4
          6 November 2013 11: 05
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          Markov and his supporters have been arrested for kind words addressed to Russia.

          Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits. Do not make a political sacrifice out of him!
          1. +13
            6 November 2013 11: 24
            Quote: Akim
            Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits. Do not make a political sacrifice out of him!


            perhaps so, but in this case, the matter is politically motivated.
            1. +7
              6 November 2013 11: 50
              Quote: seller trucks
              perhaps so, but in this case, the matter is politically motivated.

              Guys, you know how tired it is, as soon as some bandits (those who are abruptly) begin to spread rot against other bandits (who are smaller), the "victims" immediately start screaming about "political order". And so constantly. And, interestingly, many fall for it ...
              1. +10
                6 November 2013 12: 27
                In your opinion, it turns out that those who do not want to break away from Russia are screaming about the political order, while the OUN men and svobodovites are white and fluffy only broadcasting the truth. Something is disgusting as it has become.
                1. +1
                  6 November 2013 18: 39
                  Let the bandits be there, S. Razin and E. Pugachev are much closer to me. I don’t even want to capitalize Mazeppa, Shushkevich and Bandera.
                  The difference between our rebellious from the ba
                  Ndera and others in the fact that we wanted happiness for everyone. Tatars, Udmurts, Little Russians and others. And what do the Svidomo want? Happiness for one nation, and then they will think, whether Adolf, to accept or not.
                2. +1
                  6 November 2013 22: 12
                  Quote: shtanko.49
                  In your opinion, it turns out that those who do not want to break away from Russia are screaming about a political order

                  It was necessary to screech BEFORE arrest, and just so the bandit is hiding behind politics.
              2. +5
                6 November 2013 12: 37
                Quote: revnagan
                And, interestingly, many are being led ...


                Oh how! Kuchma-vbyvtsya Gongadze, Yushchenko is an agent of the State Department, Tymoshenko is a thief, Yanukovych is a Russian agent and a former criminal. You yourself choose these bandits.
                1. vanaheym
                  -25
                  6 November 2013 13: 43
                  Do you think that we are such people who should choose for an alliance with Russia?
                  1. wow
                    +5
                    6 November 2013 19: 33
                    Respect to the author of the article! On my own behalf: Ukraine "state" SKOTSKY !!! And the whole tale.
                  2. cashpoint
                    +4
                    6 November 2013 20: 17
                    In the capital of Donbass, Russian nationalists were beaten up with posters "Donetsk is a Russian city"
                    November 4 2013
                    The participants of the “Russian March”, which took place today in Donetsk, were attacked by three unknown persons shouting “Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"
                    According to Radio Liberty, unknown men snatched flags from the march participants, a fight began.
                    Participants of the procession, which gathered about a hundred, marched through the center of Donetsk with the slogans: “As long as Russia is united, Russia is invincible”, “Donetsk is a Russian city”, “One for all and all for one”
                    1. +6
                      6 November 2013 21: 35
                      and the participants of the “Russian March”, which took place today in Donetsk, were attacked by three unknown persons shouting “Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"


                      Three attacked a hundred ?! Hmmm ..... Are the Klitschko brothers and Vasya Lomanchenko really?
                2. +10
                  6 November 2013 14: 08
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  You yourself choose these bandits.

                  Russia did not support Yanukovych? Nonsense! And Yanyk positioned himself as a pro-Russian candidate. And now, of course, it's a shame, Yanyk stupidly threw Russian "benefactors". But there is nothing to be done about it:
                  "If you drink with thieves
                  fear for your wallet ... "
                  So, even if Russian politicians made a bet on Yanukovych, then who did we vote for?
                  1. +7
                    6 November 2013 15: 21
                    Quote: revnagan
                    "If you drink with thieves
                    fear for your wallet ... "

                    So here the sequel begs:
                    if you go on a dirt road
                    you can't help getting your feet dirty

                    if you pull out your hair
                    you won’t put them back
                    if you pull out your hair
                    you won’t put them back
                    и your head is always responsible
                    where does your butt sit
                    hi
                  2. +3
                    6 November 2013 16: 05
                    Well, if even Russian politicians have relied on Yanukovych, then who was we to vote for?


                    You then live with Yanyk, and not our leaders. Well bet and what ?! Virginity or billions of budget lost ?! The United States also once put on Saddam and nothing is alive. And where is Saddam?
              3. vanaheym
                +15
                6 November 2013 13: 40
                Markov, aka "Celentano", after he was taken by the ass, for some reason began to immediately call for help from Europe and the European court, and not Russia.
                1. +4
                  6 November 2013 14: 07
                  Quote: vanaheym
                  Markov, aka "Celentano", after he was taken by the ass,

                  So the trouble is that for "world peace", for the unification, then "Chelentans", then "White" .. And the people, as always, are silent ...
              4. xan
                +5
                6 November 2013 15: 51
                Quote: revnagan
                Guys, you know how tired it is, as soon as some of the bandits (those who are more abrupt) begin to spread rot against other bandits (who are smaller), the "victims" immediately start screaming about the "political order".

                What if there are no real pro-Russians among Ukrainian politicians, they were gobbled up in the bud. In the current situation, the pro-Russian representation itself is important, and not the identity of this representation.
                Sometimes it happens that the tail begins to wag the dog, and then in the movement represented by Markov there will be real pro-Russian politicians. They will at least come out of the shadows.
                1. +1
                  6 November 2013 18: 49
                  According to the Chinese proverb, “the tail will never start wagging the dog.” And I think we'll also look at the politicians oriented towards Russia. God forbid it will be so.
          2. +28
            6 November 2013 11: 25
            The leader of the Rodina party is a bandit, and the leader of the Svoboda party is not a bandit. Some people have wonderful naming conventions in Ukraine. For those who do not know, I will tell you - the Jesuit rules are just that.

            The ballerina who preferred to give her children to a Russian school and wrote why the Russian school is better than the Ukrainian one is also a bandit?

            After all, she was banned from the profession precisely for expressing her pro-Russian point of view.
            1. +22
              6 November 2013 11: 32
              hi
              Does anyone else think that after ratification Ukraine will be able to pursue an independent policy or “sit on two chairs” of the EU and the CU, standing in opposite corners, simultaneously? - I’m afraid that Nenko’s buttocks will not be wide enough - and Gay. European perverts of all colors are not asleep.
              And after that, will Ukraine return to the historical path of its development?
              When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?!
              And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...
              1. 0
                7 November 2013 05: 43
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?! And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...

                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?! And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...

                tolerance
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                hi
                Does anyone else think that after ratification Ukraine will be able to pursue an independent policy or “sit on two chairs” of the EU and the CU, standing in opposite corners, simultaneously? - I’m afraid that Nenko’s buttocks will not be wide enough - and Gay. European perverts of all colors are not asleep.
                And after that, will Ukraine return to the historical path of its development?
                When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?!
                And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...

                let's also not a present, at first I tried to climb under the Poles, then under the Tatars, and only when these attempts failed, I bowed to the Tsar of Moscow
            2. Akim
              -10
              6 November 2013 11: 33
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              The leader of the Rodina party is a bandit, and the leader of the Svoboda party is not a bandit

              Let the inhabitants of his city be responsible for Tyagnibok. With regards to the ballerina, no one gave the right to call her "bystanders" to any Ukrainian nationalist.
              1. +14
                6 November 2013 11: 43
                Quote: Akim
                Let Tyagnibok be answered by residents of his city


                this is when he had no relation to power, maybe someone should have been responsible for it, which I personally sincerely doubt, but after the last elections to the Verkhovna Rada he became a real political power with an electorate of 17% (!), this is almost a fifth of the population Ukraine.

                Quote: Akim
                With regards to the ballerina, no one gave the right to call her "bystanders" to any Ukrainian nationalist.


                Well, actually, she wrote on the social network, and did not speak out publicly, and the pedriots made it public.
                1. +17
                  6 November 2013 11: 52
                  hi

                  Here you just need to see and hear ...
                  1. +4
                    6 November 2013 19: 10
                    This is worse than our Moscow Nazis. At least no one gives them a podium. In Ukraine, it’s a star. It’s worse than the Uzbeks.
                  2. +2
                    7 November 2013 05: 48
                    and after that they drive against Stalin that he is worse than Hitler, and after all the Paskuds, survived to gray hair and no one shot them ..... sorry
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2013 13: 39
                      Quote: hert
                      and after that they drive against Stalin that he is worse than Hitler, and after all the Paskuds, survived to gray hair and no one shot them ..... sorry

                      I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in the USSR they did not shoot for the fact of cooperation with the enemy, they could shoot for serious crimes during this service with the enemy. At the same time, in the West, people were killed only for sympathy with the Communists, the Americans in their occupation zone starved more than a million captured Germans, only because they sympathized with the Soviets.
                2. Akim
                  -3
                  6 November 2013 12: 05
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  Well, actually, she wrote on the social network, and did not speak out publicly, and the pedriots made it public.

                  Is this not public? So I got it. Now everyone is following social networks. Politicians also express in them
                  1. +7
                    6 November 2013 12: 25
                    Quote: Akim
                    Is this not public? So I got it. Now everyone is following social networks. Politicians also express in them


                    Akim, I’m begging you, if I don’t have enough nerves to drag all the dregs from social networks, for example I’m not alone, I’m not interested and I feel sorry for the time, and that someone writes categorically indifferently, right, no someone is interested in delving into underwear. Well I wrote, what's next? They made a schucher for the whole of Ukraine, they even forgot that she was the soloist of the opera, well, let's now forbid Wagner, since Hitler really liked it.
                    1. Akim
                      -5
                      6 November 2013 12: 43
                      Quote: seller trucks
                      Akim, I’m begging you if you don’t have enough nerves to drag all the dregs from social networks,

                      Well, do not hell then write under your own name. I do not write such nonsense on my page.
                    2. Corneli
                      -1
                      6 November 2013 16: 18
                      Quote: seller trucks
                      if you drag all the dregs from social networks, there’s not enough health and nerves, for example I’m not alone, I’m not interested and I feel sorry for the time, and that someone writes categorically doesn’t care, because no one is interested in digging in underwear . Well I wrote, what's next? They made a schucher for the whole of Ukraine, they even forgot that she is the soloist of the opera, well, let's now forbid Wagner, since Hitler really liked it.

                      For example, in Israel, Wagner does not seem to be held in high esteem)
                      As for social networks ... The same Navalny is called a "blogger", i.e. uncle from social networks. In the press, non-stop referring (citing) to the answers or comments of famous people (from politicians to ballet dancers). So, if you are a public person, you will fall in love with "filtering the bazaar" in the networks. Well, or get the consequences ...
                      Imagine a similar situation, the current in Netrebko's blog, for example ... So she took it and wrote: "I'm happy that her child goes to a cultural Austrian school, and not to a wretched Russian school in Moscow, where only to study" ... What do you think , would they not quote her? Or maybe they would have forgotten that she is an opera soloist (and not even living in Russia)?
                3. roller2
                  -3
                  6 November 2013 12: 11
                  Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny, but after all, this does not say that in Moscow there are several million pedarasts, shit-racers and other perverts.
                  1. +16
                    6 November 2013 12: 43
                    Quote: rolik2
                    but that doesn’t say that in Moscow there are several million pedarasts, shit-racers and other perverts.

                    Isn’t that so?
                    1. roller2
                      +1
                      6 November 2013 15: 22
                      Isn’t that so?

                      Well, you know better)
                  2. +10
                    6 November 2013 13: 16
                    exactly! we then see who is in the shadow of the bulk. All the same 5 column. Germans, Kachparov, Novodvorskaya, poet and Jew of the bulls.
                  3. +5
                    6 November 2013 13: 26
                    Quote: rolik2
                    Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny, but after all, this does not say that in Moscow there are several million pedarasts, shit-racers and other perverts.


                    And no one says that they are not. They are, and just like you call them well, maybe not a few million are just like that, but ...
                  4. +16
                    6 November 2013 13: 57
                    [quote] Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny [/ quote]
                    Suppose you, a young man, are familiar with arithmetic. So: [quoteAt 20.00, the turnout at the Mayor’s election in Moscow was 33,23%, according to data from 363 polling stations. We round off and believe that as many as 12 million people live in Moscow. From this, we consider how many mos.kaliv voted for Navalny. 27,30% of those who appeared. And how many millions of types did you get? I only got 1, 088 (rounded off). That is why, before you say it, you must definitely think!
                    1. xan
                      +3
                      6 November 2013 15: 59
                      Quote: Hedgehog
                      I only got 1, 088 (rounded off).

                      Of this million dofig who voted to the peak of power, wishing to shake the current government.
                    2. +4
                      6 November 2013 16: 07
                      Quote: Hedgehog
                      . That is why, before you say it, you must definitely think!

                      So roller2 and thought that
                      Quote: rolik2
                      Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny

                      doesn’t sound so killer as
                      Quote: Hedgehog
                      only 1 (rounded off)

                      bully
                    3. -2
                      6 November 2013 19: 24
                      No, Ezhak, the Ukrainians didn’t think about it. Their pratsya is to bite and hide the fat in a dark Ukrainian night, I apologize for the move, as I managed, I wrote it.
                  5. +5
                    6 November 2013 14: 06
                    Quote: rolik2
                    Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny, but after all, this does not say that in Moscow there are several million pedarasts, shit-racers and other perverts.


                    In addition to them, there are also creacles and people of AJP, but the trouble is that there are twenty dark and uneducated, zombie ORT and Putin’s stability personalities who have no idea about such fundamental things as twitter, instagram, rights, for one smart person, gay or democratic journalist genderquirs, mitballs, a new iPhone and Nadi’s suffering in the Mordovian Gulag.

                    Creative class and people with AFL- Self-name of non-systemic opposition, abbreviated and diminutive-denominated name - creaks. Until recently, the same thing was often called “intelligentsia” in the narrow sense of the word (in the broad sense of the word, these are all those who are engaged in mental work). The “creative class” itself considers itself a moral standard and the scientific elite of society.
                    As a rule, the creativity of the “creative class” is manifested in the obscene distortion of the names of Russian politicians and in the compilation of homosexual collages with unpleasant people in the creative class.
                    Recently, representatives of the creative class have been offended by the nickname "creaks" and claim that they themselves have never called themselves the creative class. Of course, this is not so: the name “creative class” was introduced into the everyday life and it was the opposition who promoted it.

                  6. +3
                    6 November 2013 16: 12
                    Quote: rolik2
                    Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny, but after all, this does not say that in Moscow there are several million pedarasts, shit-racers and other perverts.

                    Yes they say my friend laughing
                  7. 0
                    6 November 2013 19: 18
                    Why not talk? A few thousand blue, bullshit and other unworthy people, A WALKING WOMAN, live in Moscow. What you do is better than the Little Russia than the Central Asian. But no one asks us
                  8. 0
                    6 November 2013 23: 55
                    Quote: rolik2
                    Several million Muscovites voted for Navalny, but after all, this does not say that in Moscow there are several million pedarasts, shit-racers and other perverts.


                    Just they voted ... Plus the promise to deal with illegal immigrants ...
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              2. +4
                6 November 2013 11: 48
                An Internet forum, even this one, is far from being "everyone's hearing". And the right of a person (not politics) to a personal point of view has not been canceled in normal countries.

                Have at least someone been deprived of the right to work in Ukraine for the words "damned mok-l"?
                1. Akim
                  -2
                  6 November 2013 12: 07
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  the right to work at least someone for the words "damned mok-l"?

                  She was not deprived. They simply fired because the team refused to work with her.
                  1. +6
                    6 November 2013 12: 30
                    Quote: Akim
                    She was not deprived. They simply fired because the team refused to work with her.


                    Eh brother, here you are wrong, it is vital "not just" needed a sacrifice, get it.
                    1. +1
                      6 November 2013 19: 30
                      We don’t know what the truth really is. But what would the collective opinion be asked is nonsense
                  2. +6
                    6 November 2013 12: 32
                    Quote: Akim
                    because the team refused to work with her

                    Sorry, Akim, but this is a blatant lie of the administration of the theater, where the director is now a person - oh, very far from art, but very close to the authorities.
                    1. Akim
                      0
                      6 November 2013 12: 52
                      Quote: Egoza
                      the administration of the theater, where the director is now a man - oh, very far from art, but very close to the authorities.

                      Yes, and there are more than half of us. What about her. When we cross the road in the wrong place, we consciously take risks. here the principle is the same.
                  3. +1
                    6 November 2013 13: 56
                    I apologize to the Akim for interfering in your showdown, but what about the deputy Farion and her frankly fascist slogans?
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      6 November 2013 14: 25
                      Quote: T80UM1
                      but what about the deputy farion and her frankly fascist slogans?

                      Farion is not the whole of Ukraine. She just makes a name for herself. Changeling.
                    2. +1
                      7 November 2013 01: 26
                      but I hate this .... female dog .... excuse me ...
                  4. yur
                    yur
                    +2
                    6 November 2013 20: 37
                    Do not you think that you need to fire those who refuse to work?
              3. +8
                6 November 2013 17: 36
                Once upon a time I was, as they say now, tolerant (ugh). And he found Ukromova original and interesting in places, but he got burnt, like many, with impudent Ukrainization. Yes, and Mova then wasted by the Diaspora-Galician efforts. Moreover, "military actions" do not imply politeness. Therefore, it was definitely for me!
                1. Akim
                  -1
                  6 November 2013 17: 55
                  Quote: Rubs
                  Therefore - definitely bydlyachaya!

                  They can say the same thing about our language. And what will we come to?
                  1. Hudo
                    +2
                    6 November 2013 18: 03
                    Quote: Akim
                    Quote: Rubs
                    Therefore - definitely bydlyachaya!

                    They can say the same thing about our language. And what will we come to?


                    You can say anything. Only now confirm what has been said with factual material they will not be able to.
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      6 November 2013 18: 11
                      Quote: Hudo
                      Only now they cannot confirm what was said with factual material.

                      In the sense? This does not require confirmation, but perception by ear.
                      1. Hudo
                        +2
                        6 November 2013 18: 19
                        Quote: Akim
                        In what sense?


                        Literally.

                        Quote: Akim
                        This does not require confirmation, but perception by ear


                        According to the perception of hearing, which has a very indirect relation to the Ukrainian language, the Galician-Western language, which is now intensively replaced by the Ukrainian language, cannot be called otherwise. Moreover, by ear, it (the Galician-Zapadensky dialect) is even more disgusting than in the written version.
                      2. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 18: 27
                        Quote: Hudo
                        Moreover, by ear, it (the Galician-Zapadensky dialect) is even more disgusting than in the written version.

                        The prime minister generally speaks the Azarov dialect and nothing. For example, I like the Simpons Ukrainian translation more than the Russian.
                      3. +12
                        6 November 2013 18: 37
                        Quote: Akim
                        For example, I like the Simpons Ukrainian translation more than the Russian.

                        While visiting Kiev, I watched Terminator in Ukrainian, Schwarzenegger speaking Ukrainian --- no comedy needed laughing
                      4. Akim
                        +4
                        6 November 2013 18: 40
                        Quote: atalef
                        While visiting Kiev, I watched Terminator in Ukrainian,

                        There are good, but there are filthy translations.
                      5. Ivan Sirko
                        -3
                        6 November 2013 23: 44
                        Does Hebrew make you sick? request
                      6. zmey_gadukin
                        -9
                        6 November 2013 20: 35
                        Quote: Hudo
                        Moreover, by ear, it (the Galician-Zapadensky dialect) is even more disgusting than in the written version.

                        so you gave us your everyday life
                        for such things can be written by a person with a really low level of intelligence, i.e. .
                2. roller2
                  0
                  6 November 2013 19: 34
                  Once I was, as they say now, tolerant


                  And now he became a fag and began to think differently.
                  Because of such a cattle like you, everyone thinks of us like that.
                  Although we are fighting with the Russians here, but we must salute them, they don’t shame their country, they are ready to crap everyone and everyone who will try to do it, and we (Ukrainians) especially in the ranks of cattle are of the opinion that if you crap your country, then you patriot.
                  1. 0
                    6 November 2013 21: 16
                    "Because of a cattle like you, everyone thinks so about us."

                    There are no us. It’s a pity that the Russians (I don’t write Russian because Russian itself) sometimes hide us all for one.
                    And where should I crap this "puppy" country. Seruns are missing more than me.
                    Yes, and I did not change at all. Just allowed the possibility of coexistence and guessed wassat
                3. The comment was deleted.
                4. In the book
                  0
                  7 November 2013 10: 14
                  Quote: Rubs
                  Therefore - definitely bydlyachaya!

                  To name the language of the country in which you live because of the fact that someone "imposes" on you? Sorry, but this is not a sign of a healthy mind.
              4. xan
                +3
                6 November 2013 18: 42
                Quote: Akim
                With regards to the ballerina, no one gave the right to call her "bystanders" to any Ukrainian nationalist.

                Farionsha scolds the Russian language no worse than a ballerina, in addition, she is a deputy.
                Do they apply any sanctions to her?
                1. Akim
                  +1
                  6 November 2013 18: 47
                  Quote: xan
                  Do they apply any sanctions to her?

                  I hope that they will also be fired from work.
                  1. Hudo
                    +5
                    6 November 2013 18: 54
                    Quote: Akim
                    Quote: xan
                    Do they apply any sanctions to her?

                    I hope that they will also be fired from work.


                    For one of her voyages to kindergarten, Baba Fara must grind the bunny's sagged seat.
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                  3. +3
                    6 November 2013 21: 39
                    And now the time for Novodvorsky has passed. wink Will you be happy for us?
              5. +4
                6 November 2013 19: 01
                So answer by region. I’m from Donbass, I’m responsible for the Yanukovnishche, the other is from Uzhgorod, I don’t know who the deputies are in, answer for him. And let each of you speak only for his province. By your logic, it turns out like this.
                For the whole of Little Russia, it’s not worth trending. And for the opinion of S. Zakharova, you all need to put candles in temples. I respect the woman who publicly expressed her opinion
              6. +1
                13 November 2013 04: 55
                Quote: Akim
                With regards to the ballerina, no one gave the right to call her "bystanders" to any Ukrainian nationalist.

                A ballerina (although she is a singer, in fact) spoke in PERSONAL correspondence about the quality of education and the contingent of some Ukrainian school. She had a right. IMHO. She is not a deputy, not a state. official, etc. However, she had a serious affront from the "puppies". At the same time, no one prevented a completely official member of the Yushchenko government, the Minister of "Ukrkultury" at an official meeting, from calling the Russian language "dog's mova". And all the "independent" media in a rag kept silent.
                1. Akim
                  0
                  13 November 2013 07: 00
                  Quote: ikrut
                  I had the right.

                  Had. Only social networks are not personal correspondence, but to show off to others. As for that minister - something was in the media - I do not remember. But, if you think that I will justify it - you are mistaken. Also ! There were a lot of freaks in Timochi’s government. These are still flowers.
            3. +5
              6 November 2013 11: 35
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              The ballerina who preferred to give her children to a Russian school and wrote why the Russian school is better than the Ukrainian one is also a bandit?


              I read comments on UP in the midst of scandal, tin, I did not meet so much hatred and negativity.
              1. xan
                0
                7 November 2013 00: 25
                Quote: seller trucks
                I read comments on UP in the midst of scandal, tin, I did not meet so much hatred and negativity.

                I feel that soon it will be “cool” and “trendy” to have pro-Russian views in Ukraine.
                Russia’s successes in domestic politics are urgently needed - I’m calm for the foreign, they have already jammed everyone.
            4. +5
              6 November 2013 11: 53
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              The leader of the Rodina party is a bandit, and the leader of the Svoboda party is not a bandit.

              As soon as the leader of "Svolota" hits the PR leader's pet peeve, (or the PR leader puts his eye on something valuable at Tyagnybyk. Or, as an option, Tyagnibyk grabs lichen and does not unfasten the PR percentage) everything, write lost - "Tyagnibykovites" right away will be declared bandits.
            5. +8
              6 November 2013 14: 19
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              The ballerina who preferred to give her children to a Russian school and wrote why the Russian school is better than the Ukrainian one is also a bandit?

              After all, she was banned from the profession precisely for expressing her pro-Russian point of view.

              In general, it’s not a healthy fight, why, in order to assert itself, Ukrainian politicians must be put on the head of Russia? It is necessary to assert oneself by the economy, prosperity and standard of living of citizens, and by the fact that if you drown in the dermis of your neighbors, you will not live better. Bullying the ballerina is no longer clear, well, I sent the child to a Russian school, what's the problem? That the Russian language is already foreign to Ukraine. Well, she believes that in this school she and her child are better - well, that's good than it undermines the nat. the foundations of the country? There is a war with the Russian language. as if it’s something alien. It’s not right, in the world it’s already ached, and there are so few friends. why lose what is?
          3. +5
            6 November 2013 11: 37
            Quote: Akim
            Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits. Do not make a political sacrifice out of him!

            This leadership of Ukraine is making a political sacrifice out of him. While he was just a bandit, the doors to the Supreme Rada were open in front of him. And therefore, being a bandit in Ukraine is not a crime. But he began to speak out in favor of joining the CU, and even to gather supporters ... "here the old man sat down."
            1. Akim
              -1
              6 November 2013 15: 57
              Quote: andrejwz
              This leadership of Ukraine makes him a political victim

              He began to speak out for joining the CU when his kirdyk came to his political career. In Odessa, in the city council, his minions sang differently.
          4. +2
            6 November 2013 11: 44
            Quote: Akim
            Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits. Do not make a political sacrifice out of him!

            Well, they’re doing from Tymoshenko, the other one who served the president has become. To whom and what is there from whom to do request
            1. Akim
              0
              6 November 2013 12: 10
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, they’re doing from Tymoshenko,

              And so you decided it as Ossetia. in response to Kosovo. These are different levels and Markov shit map.
              1. +1
                6 November 2013 12: 42
                Quote: Akim
                These are different levels and Markov shit map.

                Yes, to me on this Markov, on and on Tymoshenko negative
            2. vanaheym
              +6
              6 November 2013 13: 47
              Therefore, it’s especially funny to watch the programs of the prostitute Kiselev, who in 2004 agitated the population of Ukraine for Yanukovych with foam in his mouth, so that after a few years, after moving to Moscow, to tell what all this shit is and why the apocalypse will soon come in Ukraine.
              1. +3
                6 November 2013 13: 58
                Quote: vanaheym
                Therefore, it is especially funny to watch the programs of the prostitute Kiseleva

                If you are talking about Eugene, then I fully agree with you. Prostitute. But he only ventriloqually now from Kiev.
                1. vanaheym
                  +4
                  6 November 2013 14: 59
                  Quote: Flood
                  If you are talking about Eugene, then I fully agree with you.

                  There is also Dmitry, who in 2004 worked as the chief editor of ICTV and in every possible way told how wonderful Yanukovosch was and how Ukrainians should vote for him in order to avoid the "orange plague".
                  Thanks to such advisers, people who were tired of orange chose it.
                  1. +1
                    6 November 2013 15: 18
                    Quote: vanaheym
                    There is still Dmitry

                    I heard, I heard. But he preferred to express his opinion about Eugene.
          5. 0
            6 November 2013 13: 03
            Quote: Akim
            Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits.

            And who is not a gangster?
            And who doesn’t drink, in the end? what wink
            Yes, and Markov was not taken as banditry ...
            Probably because he looks like Beria! Yes
            1. Akim
              0
              6 November 2013 13: 17
              Quote: Alekseev
              Yes, and Markov was not taken as banditry ...

              For what they could, for that they took it. And now he was whipping too much, everyone will remember him.
          6. -1
            6 November 2013 14: 48
            Are you a judge? "Take the log out of your eye ..."
          7. 0
            6 November 2013 18: 27
            Yes, even if he is a son of a bitch, but this is OUR son of a bitch (U. Churchill about the work of British intelligence). We have scouts, you have spies. Keep the plank ladders square and whine further, everyone offends you, fools around do not understand you.
            1. In the book
              +1
              7 November 2013 10: 20
              Would not be too lazy, but looked that this statement:
              Quote: ele1285
              Yes, even if he is a son of a bitch, but this is OUR son of a bitch

              not at all W. Churchill:
              "Review of the Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza (senior), who, as some American memoirists point out, belongs to the 32nd US President (1933-1945) Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945)."
            2. In the book
              +1
              7 November 2013 10: 22
              Quote: ele1285
              Hawa independence with ladles


              Thanks, you too. smile
          8. +1
            6 November 2013 20: 48
            You know, I read this, your comment, as they say in Great Odessa. I have my own opinion. Let this bandit, but this is OUR bandit. Better your bandit, whom you know than a dive from western Ukraine. Drink yadu and you’ll jump from the ninth floor, head down. You can!
            1. Akim
              +3
              6 November 2013 21: 02
              Quote: ele1285
              Let it be a thug, but this is OUR thug.

              A priori, not a single OUR gangster. This is when Julia became the prime minister, they proved to me that she had already stolen and would not steal anymore.
              1. 0
                6 November 2013 21: 08
                Wait, as Churchill said -: "If he is a son of a bitch, then he is OUR son of a bitch." And no need to talk about Julia, we have few people remember about her
          9. +1
            13 November 2013 04: 44
            Quote: Akim
            Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits. Do not make a political sacrifice out of him!

            Well, and Julia, of course - a purely political sacrifice? Or is it also closer to the bandits? How do you think?
            1. Akim
              +1
              13 November 2013 06: 52
              Quote: ikrut
              How do you think?

              That's right, what is sitting! She was still given little. In general, I would have planted them all and arranged socialism in the country.
        2. +3
          6 November 2013 11: 41
          Real Ukrainians ... And once there was one backgammon (and not so long ago). I say "was" - because as long as "real Ukrainians" and "real Russians" exist, there will be no unity.

          When pieces are cut off from a healthy body, they die, and the body becomes disabled.
          1. 0
            6 November 2013 21: 18
            Nonsense, I’m Russian, maybe for centuries I don’t know who I was in my family. I speak Russian, I think in Russian. I’m from the capital. And my wife is from Yekaterinoslav. So she considers herself a Ukrainian, and I laugh, though and speaks Russian, and THINKS in Russian. So which piece of her body was chopped off?
        3. 0
          6 November 2013 23: 33
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          In gangster-fascist Ukraine, a ban on freedom of speech.


          I visited Crimea last weekend and watched their news channels and, in general, the entire media side is 100% anti-Russian. All Western is praised, and all Russian is presented only in black and white. Many residents of Ukraine flee to Russia. The West makes a fatal mistake by drawing Ukraine into its affairs. This move is a failure and leads the West to its own checkmate in the world chess game. It seems that Putin, with his polite silence, forced his Western opponents to fall into this trap. A little more and the mousetrap will be shut. And from now on, whatever the West does, everything will work against themselves. Let Bandera, without realizing it, help your Russia’s stupidity in this battle and accelerate the completion of this gambit.
      2. Hunghuz
        -12
        6 November 2013 10: 57
        hi The first ancient ukr was the Kiev prince of St. Jude rebelled against the Orthodox faith and converted to UNIATHY having made Giyur ......))))))
      3. +9
        6 November 2013 11: 28
        hi
        I have a feeling of an approaching catastrophe - the collapse of the Civilization created by our ancestors during the 7521 year from the Creation of the World, a civilization called Northern or Russian.
        The collapse of the Soviet Union, which lasted only 74 of the year since the October Revolution, is considered the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
        74 years and 7521 years, the difference is 7447 years.
        Seven thousand five hundred twenty-one years of history and development, sweat and blood of Russia thrown into the dustbin of history ?!
        It does not fit in the head.
        How then, after realizing what happened, will we call this?
        If now, in 22 of the year, the majority of residents of the republics of the former USSR express the most impartial epithets to Gorbachev, or, more simply, they swear as soon as they can, what will we call those who betrayed the centuries-old aspirations of Russia?
        After all, with one movement of a pen under the agreement on the association of Ukraine with the EU, as from the category of a fraternal country for Russia, Belarus, it will turn into the category of "friendly", i.e. will become an adversary (not an enemy!), like Poland, for example, or Romania.
        1. +4
          6 November 2013 12: 36
          Disaster can be avoided, but unfortunately it can happen at the very edge when self-preservation instincts work. Russia could be of interest to Ukraine, like the rest of the countries, TRUTH, to live in truth the natural aspiration of man. When Russia lives in truth, then it will be restored as a renewed empire.
          1. +5
            6 November 2013 19: 07
            Why is it only Russia that should interest everyone?
        2. +1
          6 November 2013 13: 18
          I agree! somehow it rolls
      4. Troy
        0
        6 November 2013 16: 33
        I don’t know why, but I don’t have sympathy, the article correctly says that they are used to living at the expense of Russia and positioning themselves as garrulous lads, now let's try Ukraine without us, you will find out your place in the geyropa.
    2. Hunghuz
      -2
      6 November 2013 10: 55
      hi Svidomitsvo is not a vice .......... ???
    3. Anthony
      0
      6 November 2013 20: 17
      Quote: aszzz888
      Ukrainian patriotism must be banned


      Here is the incitement of interethnic conflicts ... Well, well, what will the gentlemen come to?
      1. +1
        7 November 2013 00: 48
        Yes, it was already in one KVN at Odessa residents
        1. 0
          7 November 2013 01: 11

          still remember Nestor Ivanovich
  2. makarov
    +11
    6 November 2013 08: 33
    Patriotism is when a person simply loves his homeland, the homeland.
    Nationalism is when an individual loves his Nation, Homeland, due to the humiliation of other nations with their Homeland.
    1. +3
      6 November 2013 09: 32
      you confuse nationalism with Nazism, and these are not synonyms at all
      1. +1
        6 November 2013 11: 00
        Quote: Poppy
        you confuse nationalism with Nazism, and these are not synonyms at all


        unfortunately, if you haven’t noticed yet, they began to put nationalism on the same scale as Nazism, and the most interesting thing is, if you ask who was convicted under Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, you won’t believe, only Russians, it is called “Russian article” 99% ethnic Russians. Such things, buddy.
      2. +3
        6 November 2013 11: 47
        The concept of nations instead of peoples was introduced into circulation in order to veil Nazism and promote the separation of peoples in a quiet.
    2. gladiatorakz
      0
      6 November 2013 14: 04
      Quote: makarov
      Nationalism is when an individual loves his Nation, Homeland, due to the humiliation of other nations with their Homeland.

      This is Nazism. Nationalism is love for one’s people.
      1. Hudo
        -2
        6 November 2013 19: 05
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Nationalism is love for one’s people.


        This love is very peculiar. This is BDSM love.
  3. Valery Neonov
    +15
    6 November 2013 08: 35
    ++++. Oh Russians, Oh Ukrainians, AND BELARUSIANS ...
    1. Hudo
      +2
      6 November 2013 11: 40
      While a yellow-blue rag of the Austro-Hungarian type is being wound on a left-flank tank, until it is replaced with something human, be it a banner of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks or something else that there will be no sane business. As if in the flank and the rear did not hit.
      1. 0
        6 November 2013 11: 58
        Quote: Hudo
        While on the left-flank tank a yellow-blue rag of the Austro-Hungarian type is wound, until it is replaced with something human, be it the banner of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks

        The banner of the Cossacks is crimson in color. Almost red. Will our "leaders" want to see a red flag both in Ukraine and in Russia? Big question ...
        1. Hudo
          +10
          6 November 2013 13: 25
          This option is quite acceptable.


          Instead of a miserable and flawed copy of the flag of the Austrian province of Lower Austria.
          1. luka095
            +1
            6 November 2013 13: 59
            The yellow and blue colors of the flag are not a copy of the flag of the Austrian province. These are the colors of the Swedish flag.
            1. Hudo
              +2
              6 November 2013 14: 10
              Quote: luka095
              The yellow and blue colors of the flag are not a copy of the flag of the Austrian province. These are the colors of the Swedish flag.


              There is such a version.
              1. Cat
                +3
                6 November 2013 21: 53
                Quote: Hudo
                There is such a version.

                And here (in my opinion) the most reliable versions:
                For the first time a yellow-blue flag, similar to the current one, appeared in 1848 in Lvov on the territory of the Austrian Empire, when, at the height of the Hungarian uprising, the imperial government created in Galicia "Holovna Ruska Rada" in order to have troops loyal to the insurgents in the rear. One of the versions says that this flag was constructed from the colors of the Galician flag - at the top is the golden color of a lion, at the bottom is a blue background color.
                Another version - once the Galicians had a red-blue banner (this is confirmed by documents); Emperor Franz Joseph’s mother replaced red with yellow so that the Galician flag had something from the yellow-black banner of the Habsburgs.
                In 1911, the Ukrainian national flag did not yet exist. Then only a discussion unfolded on this topic. The most famous Ukrainian historian I. Kripyakevich proposed to consider red as the national color - the color of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks. In response, the historian S. Tomashivsky proposed a combination of yellow and blue, citing, in particular, that red means working solidarity.
                When at the beginning of 1918 the Central Council realized its bankruptcy, to restore order, it invited German troops to Ukraine. In order to reckon with it as a sovereign government, the IV Universal on Independence of the Ukrainian People’s Republic was hastily adopted retroactively. At that time, the state flag was approved - a yellow-blue banner.
                After the conquest of Ukraine, the Germans threw off the Central Rada as unnecessary, confirming in their place their protege - hetman Skoropadsky. It was he who “turned” the colors of the flag (it became easier to explain to the people their meaning:
                blue above is the color of the sky, yellow below is the color of wheat). It was in this form that the flag was subsequently used by both Petliura and Bandera.
              2. Cat
                +3
                6 November 2013 22: 09
                And so the flags of the Zaporizhzhya Army looked (on the left - the XNUMXth century, on the right - the later marine):
          2. +2
            6 November 2013 14: 11
            Quote: Hudo
            This option is quite acceptable.

            I am also for the first of the options you have proposed. And categorically against the second.
        2. -1
          6 November 2013 13: 56
          Quote: revnagan
          Quote: Hudo
          While on the left-flank tank a yellow-blue rag of the Austro-Hungarian type is wound, until it is replaced with something human, be it the banner of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks

          The banner of the Cossacks is crimson in color. Almost red. Will our "leaders" want to see a red flag both in Ukraine and in Russia? Big question ...

          The red banner and the attacking falcon (from which the trident was stylized) are the symbols of the Rurikovich.
          What does the outskirts (due to external and internal showdowns) of the Rurikovich State have to do with it.
          Belarusians legally consider themselves the heirs of the Russian Gedeminovichi.
          Russes, even in accordance with the latest Great Ukrainian history, are also heirs (rather creators) of the Horde.
          Yellow-blue flag - the difference between the rear of the Charles 12
          Given the tolerance of the peoples living from the Rhine to the Amur, I agree that the Cossacks and Cossacks are also Russian (sorry to be too lazy to look for the Kazakh alphabet), and the Buryats, Chukchi (sorry if I didn’t mention all the peoples and nations). Once upon a time, everyone became related.
          We were separated by FAITH and Money, which, as they were, are in the hands of strangers ..
          Moreover, Alien Faith - Khazar.
          1. +2
            6 November 2013 19: 10
            Quote: Vasya
            The red banner and the attacking falcon (from which the trident was stylized) are the symbols of the Rurikovich.

            But did I say that this is so? I say that the color of the Cossack flag is raspberry, close to red.
      2. In the book
        +2
        7 November 2013 10: 27
        Quote: Hudo
        yellow-blue rag


        This is you in vain, just set against yourself people who are still good about Russians. Believe me.
        Just don’t have to answer me now: “Well, let’s” and so on ...
        Respect your opponents in the dispute, do not cross the line of dispute and bazaar analysis.
        It does not suit the army general wink
    2. 0
      6 November 2013 11: 56
      While there will be Russians, Belarusians, and damn Ukrainians-are defeated and how.

      He wrote above - once we were a single people. Then we were invincible.

      And then we were given national features, depending mainly on the habitat, and forced to forget the unifying essence. And we did it, and the farther, the more we pay attention to different nationalities, and the fact that our ROD unites the more no one remembers.

      So BeloRus separately in fact, Russian with their ?? customs separately, but Ukrainians ... there aren’t even words - the Poles laugh.
      1. +2
        6 November 2013 22: 39
        "And then we were assigned national traits"

        100% agree. But I believe in the reverse process. After all, we are similar, and therefore we will attract. And the enemies will help. And the borders ... have already sailed, in places.
  4. HAM
    +13
    6 November 2013 08: 38
    How many years have passed, and things are still there. Trubetskoy right as he wrote now.
    .
    1. 0
      6 November 2013 14: 01
      Quote: HAM
      How many years have passed, and things are still there. Trubetskoy right as he wrote now.
      .

      If the article is 1927, then why is Kuchma with the company present there?
      Maybe most of the site, at first it’s worth the article to read to the end, and then analyze it.
      And after writing your comments, based on it is not clear what information (well, except for emotions naturally)
      1. HAM
        0
        10 November 2013 17: 35
        Vasya, this is about an addition, haven't you understood?
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  6. +3
    6 November 2013 08: 41
    The article was published in the collection "Eurasian contemporary", book V. Paris, 1927
    We’ve already passed it once, we’ll go this way again. Everything will be fine! I am sure.
    1. AVV
      0
      6 November 2013 12: 59
      It’s just that the people of Ukraine need to draw appropriate conclusions, because the elections are just around the corner, and not be conducted on populist promises, but to choose really popular leaders, and not those who, for the sake of personal benefits, will throw the population without even blushing !!!
      1. +2
        6 November 2013 22: 57
        "but to choose really popular leaders"

        Unfortunately, "democracy" was not invented for us to elect people's leaders. For myself, I chose not to participate in the performance. In theory, the masses can disrupt the elections and declare themselves. But this hope is illusory. And then it will only force the enemy to regroup. No more. In reality, only hitting the bottom can break the dam. Then new leaders will jump out into the world. The crisis is our assistant, yo mayo. sad
    2. 0
      6 November 2013 14: 04
      Be careful when reading articles.
      Emotions are good at the local level.
      And this is inter-territorial relations
    3. +1
      6 November 2013 14: 04
      Be careful when reading articles.
      Emotions are good at the local level.
      And this is inter-territorial relations
  7. +7
    6 November 2013 08: 41
    Damn, did not pay attention at first to the year of writing. Is this necessary? already then everything was clear, but things really are still there. I put a plus article.
  8. +4
    6 November 2013 08: 42
    This is how a man got tired if he writes with such evil irony ??? !!! hi
    1. +3
      6 November 2013 12: 53
      I wrote beautifully about "Broken in Ukraine". I just forgot to add "Wrapped in chulufan".
  9. ed65b
    +2
    6 November 2013 08: 44
    what, I thought a modern article. History repeats itself, hmm. what Or maybe everything will work out? after all, that time.
  10. +4
    6 November 2013 08: 47
    Need, Need. it is necessary to give Ukraine the opportunity to shake its butt on the ass, so that the lesson is stronger.
    1. HAM
      +8
      6 November 2013 08: 53
      But ordinary people are "bristling", and not THESE m ..... and. This is what they wash off in a ropu, meriku.
      1. -2
        6 November 2013 11: 05
        Wait, now NOT THESE, they will whine that we are not helping them.
        1. HAM
          0
          6 November 2013 11: 59
          I don’t agree who doesn’t have a headache on their shoulders — they work. Remember EBNa and that time, the same thing now in (in) Ukraine.
      2. randomizer
        +1
        6 November 2013 11: 52
        There will be a lesson for the future - to stifle any "Ukrainians" at the root as a dangerous infection, like Wahhabism. This is almost the same, only in our opinion. Idiotic ideas leading to collapse and degradation. And to separate Galicia to hell ... sorry to Europe. They will dissolve there in 20 years, an age-old dream will come true)
    2. -2
      6 November 2013 11: 03
      Quote: Silkway0026
      Need, Need. it is necessary to give Ukraine the opportunity to shake its butt on the ass, so that the lesson is stronger.


      Yeah, it will look something like this:
  11. cashpoint
    -8
    6 November 2013 08: 47
    article of the beginning of the last century
    Vladimir Vernadsky
    Ukrainian Question and Russian Society


    "
    The Ukrainian question is an old question - it is the same age as the emergence of the Ukrainian ethnographic element as part of the Moscow state. At different times, this question took different forms.

    The essence of the Ukrainian question is that the Ukrainian (Little Russian) nationality developed into a clearly defined ethnographic individuality with a national consciousness, thanks to which the efforts of close and distant relatives to turn it into simple ethnographic material to strengthen the dominant nationality remained and remain unsuccessful.

    The national consciousness of Ukrainians developed on the basis of ethnographic differences, peculiarities of the psyche, cultural inclinations and stratifications connecting Ukraine with Western Europe, and the historically established way of people's life, imbued with the spirit of democracy. "

    http://uainfo.org/news/13885-petr-stolypin-schital-ukraincev-inorodcami.html
    1. +4
      6 November 2013 10: 02
      Quote: cashpoint
      The national consciousness of Ukrainians developed on the basis of ethnographic differences, peculiarities of the psyche, cultural inclinations and stratifications connecting Ukraine with Western Europe, and the historically established way of people's life, imbued with the spirit of democracy. "

      This is probably Yushchenko himself wrote. What culture connects Ukraine with Western Europe, you yourself can answer wassat
      1. +3
        6 November 2013 10: 37
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What culture connects Ukraine with Western Europe

        Hello patriots! Hello Sasha. Ukraine and the geyropu have long-standing cultural ties .. the point type on I .. but here the Ukrainian development path is visible ... Two slapped laughing
        1. +4
          6 November 2013 10: 42
          Quote: domokl
          Ukraine and the geyropa are connected by long-standing cultural ties .. type of point on I.

          The world consists of two parts, those who have and who have. Ukraine chooses the second, probably like feel
          Hi san hi
      2. +3
        6 November 2013 11: 57
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ... What culture connects Ukraine with Western Europe, you yourself can answer wassat

        From the west - FIG knows: / But part of eastern Europe they, at least 400 years they wanted to become, pulled them there, panimash ...
        True, the necessary clarification: they - This is the bar of Ukraine, the elite. To the people, and then and now it seemed, do not care request
        Poland is to blame for everything: ((She would give the Ukrainian pans rights and freedom as a Polish gentry - Ukraine would not go to Russia.
        HISTORY has a sense of humor. Now the elite of Ukraine is given the rights and freedoms of "purely indigenous" Europeans.
      3. +6
        6 November 2013 12: 16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What culture connects Ukraine with Western Europe, you yourself can answer


        even before serving her s / c, Julia, on the day of ease, was broadcasting to Kharkov students of the medical academy that Ukraine had contributed a lot (?) to the culture of Europe, when I remember this, I fall into a stupor, besides eating lard, nothing goes into my head, although for As an example, Ukrainians themselves believe that Sikorsky and Korolev are Ukrainians, and they are rejecting the Ukrainian roots of Blanca and Bronstein, such selectivity.
      4. cashpoint
        -6
        6 November 2013 20: 08
        It wrote Vladimir Ivanovich Vernadsky (February 28 (March 12) 1863, St. Petersburg - January 6, 1945, Moscow) - Russian and Soviet naturalist, thinker and public figure of the XNUMXth century. Academician of the Imperial St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences, one of the founders and first president of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences. Creator of many scientific schools. One of the representatives of Russian cosmism; creator of the science of biogeochemistry.
        His interests included geology and crystallography, mineralogy and geochemistry, organizational activities in science and social activities, radio geology and biology, biogeochemistry and philosophy. Laureate of the Stalin Prize I degree.

        But apparently it's too complicated for you. And while people like you prevail, Russia has no future.
  12. +10
    6 November 2013 09: 08
    History has a cyclical structure. All this has already happened. Let's hope that everything will return to square one. Everything will be fine and the three states will unite with one Slavic people.
    1. kaktus
      +1
      6 November 2013 13: 44
      Your words to God in the ears good
      1. +4
        6 November 2013 18: 22
        I think they have long been at the address. Yes
  13. Akim
    -14
    6 November 2013 09: 23
    There was a "suspicion" that such topics would be included as daily morning reports in VO wassat
    In Russia, the little maneuver now is such a drive to Ukraine. What to say. The Kremlin did just the opposite with its agitation. He didn’t break, but rallied the Ukrainian people (and these are Ukrainians. Russians, Belarusians, Tatars, Greeks, etc.)
    Sympathy for the Russian authorities has been diminished. Now the Kremlin’s next rush - Ukraine will split. Indian hut for you Vladimir Vladimirovich!
    Yesterday I got a look at the forum http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/2291355
    And a bunch of such forums. There is history - it has different interpretations of the West and the East of the country, but there is a country today.
    Do not confuse patriotism with nationalism and pseudo-patriotism. I will not hesitate to buy Russian goods if they are better in quality and at reasonable prices.
    Ukraine is sick, but ...
    DO NOT WAIT !!!
    Well minusers go ahead!
    1. +4
      6 November 2013 09: 34
      that Ukraine will split up has been known for at least 15 years, so this is not news at all
      the news is that for some reason they decided to speed it up in Ukraine itself
      1. Akim
        0
        6 November 2013 09: 38
        Quote: Poppy
        that Ukraine will be divided - it’s been known for at least 15 years,

        Well, of course. 23 years of this caroling. In the 90's, I could support you. After the fall of 2003, I realized that this was not so.
        1. +4
          6 November 2013 10: 02
          Quote: Akim
          Well, of course. 23 years of this caroling. In the 90's, I could support you. After the fall of 2003, I realized that this was not so.

          And what happened in the AUTUMN 2003? Really caught a cold with a complication?
          1. Akim
            -2
            6 November 2013 10: 07
            Quote: Corsair
            And what happened in the AUTUMN 2003? Really caught a cold with a complication?

            Mock, Mock.
            Tuzla.
            And it was clearly visible to me as a career officer, resident of Donbass and a graduate of Odessa.
            1. +4
              6 November 2013 10: 24
              Quote: Akim
              Quote: Corsair
              And what happened in the AUTUMN 2003? Really caught a cold with a complication?
              Mock, Mock.

              Tuzla.

              And it was clearly visible to me as a career officer, resident of Donbass and a graduate of Odessa.


              I see ... In 2003, the Ukrainian "elites" finally came down with incurable Russophobia ...
              1. Akim
                0
                6 November 2013 10: 29
                Quote: Corsair
                In 2003, the Ukrainian "elites" finally came down with incurable Russophobia ...

                Yes, yes, yes ... But it was not they who proposed to return Crimea to Turkey, because it is not Russian.
                1. +5
                  6 November 2013 10: 43
                  Quote: Akim
                  Only they did not offer to return Crimea to Turkey, because it is not Russian.

                  But sho, Putin offered to return Crimea to the Turks laughing
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    6 November 2013 10: 45
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    But sho, Putin offered to return Crimea to the Turks

                    Well, that would be completely out. No, of course, your journalists and Zhirik.
                    1. +6
                      6 November 2013 11: 00
                      Well, you need to be calm with journalists. They are for the most part sickly and all nonsense. And you because of journalists so dramatically changed your attitude towards Russia?
                      1. Akim
                        -1
                        6 November 2013 11: 09
                        Quote: 31231
                        They are for the most part sickly and all nonsense.

                        But not the same Belorussky dam from the spit to the island built.
                    2. +3
                      6 November 2013 11: 38
                      Quote: Akim
                      No, of course, your journalists and Zhirik.

                      I would have expelled most of "our" journalists from the country. But Zhirik is not the authority whose words are worth listening to.
                      1. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 12: 12
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , and Zhirik is not the authority whose words are worth listening to.

                        He is a high-level politician. And once he could even become President. It cannot be discounted.
                      2. +2
                        6 November 2013 12: 47
                        Quote: Akim
                        It cannot be discounted.

                        After reading this, I am sorry that you did not see the expression on my face. Just Hmm, just idle talk and nothing more. I'm talking about Zhirik
                      3. +1
                        6 November 2013 13: 14
                        Why don’t I take your Tyagnibok seriously, and you almost set the standard of Russian politics for our Zhirinovsky? You are an adult and competent person, and you perfectly understand that they are both radicals.
                      4. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 13: 42
                        Quote: 31231
                        Why don’t I take your Tyagnibok seriously, and you almost set our Zhirinovsky’s standard as a Russian politician?

                        Yes, because the LDPR had a significant place in the Duma. Ali forgot?
                      5. +2
                        6 November 2013 16: 15
                        My God. I tell you that all radicals are the same, and you tell me about your "they are more radical in their brains." Not tired yet?
                      6. yur
                        yur
                        +1
                        6 November 2013 21: 27
                        Never, hear, never could Zhirik become the president of Russia. I know several dozen people who constantly vote for him, and so to my question why they do this, they answer, so that the Duma would have fun. And in the presidential election, almost all of these people do not vote for the clown.
                      7. 0
                        6 November 2013 21: 42
                        He is a high-level clown, therefore he may not follow the bazaar!
                    3. +1
                      6 November 2013 13: 21
                      Girik should be treated calmly. mother russian father lawyer. here it drags
                2. +3
                  6 November 2013 10: 58
                  In general, who stood on whom? Precisely, from the Ukrainophiles, we have to listen to opinions about the transfer of Crimea to the Turks-Tatars ... According to the principle: "sho ne zim - then I will bite" And therefore - I am for the federation.
                3. +6
                  6 November 2013 11: 14
                  Quote: Akim
                  Yes, yes, yes ... Only it was not they who proposed to return Crimea to Turkey, because it is not Russian

                  Turkey, unlike Ukraine, at least has a historical and moral right to this. She shed more than a ton of blood beyond the Crimea. Modern Ukraine is a victim of geopolitical abortion and has only one right - to sit like a mouse in the corner of a gay apartment.
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    6 November 2013 11: 35
                    Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                    Modern Ukraine is a victim of geopolitical abortion and has only one right - to sit like a mouse in the corner of a gay apartment.

                    You see. And after that I should be nice to people like you?
                    1. +3
                      6 November 2013 11: 43
                      Quote: Akim
                      You see. And after that I should be nice to people like you?

                      Personally, I don’t need to, it's all particular. I would like normal relations based on mutual benefit and mutual respect between our countries and peoples, I want Ukraine to finally find itself and its own path, no matter how grandiloquent it sounds, I sincerely wish it.
                  2. 0
                    6 November 2013 21: 46
                    Perhaps not a right, but a prospect.
            2. 0
              6 November 2013 11: 05
              Quote: Akim
              And I am a career officer, resident

              Shaw in Ukraine there are real officers? maybe there is an army, well, of course, if you look carefully. wassat
              1. Akim
                +5
                6 November 2013 11: 12
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                Shaw in Ukraine there are real officers? maybe there’s an army,

                I would answer you rudely, but you are just waiting for this.
                1. +2
                  6 November 2013 11: 21
                  Quote: Akim
                  I would answer you rudely, but you are just waiting for this.

                  I apologize for the slight sarcasm hi , I would not want to offend the real officers who, of course, are in Ukraine, but what is happening there today is hard to perceive normally. So this is in the sense that the cry of the soul.
                  1. +1
                    6 November 2013 13: 24
                    Yeah, especially when 25% of Russian officers are Ukrainians. 15 Belarusians.
                    1. +3
                      6 November 2013 13: 39
                      It is you that something powerfully dispersed. There were 5 percent Ukrainians, most of them senior officers, Belarusians — there were two of us in the entire regiment. Russians, then Tatars.
                      1. +1
                        6 November 2013 14: 36
                        I look more county
              2. +9
                6 November 2013 11: 21
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                Shaw in Ukraine there are real officers?

                There is! They are now being urgently removed from leadership positions. You see, they kept the "X-Files"! But in fact, the reason is different - they, being cadets, studied in schools located on the territory of the Russian Federation! And although they took the oath, but still - the 5th column of Russia! Moreover, they also wore awards that were previously received outside of Ukraine!
                1. +1
                  6 November 2013 13: 24
                  what came to this?
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            4. xan
              +3
              6 November 2013 18: 55
              Quote: Akim
              Mock, Mock.
              Tuzla.
              And it was clearly visible to me as a career officer, resident of Donbass and a graduate of Odessa.

              I once rested in Sochi. Self-made musical ethnographic groups performed there on the embankment. A crowd of holidaymakers listened to music, clapping, to whom more, to whom less. The band began to perform from Ukraine with a Ukrainian song. A group of vacationers, about four people, began to yell, whistle and clap as if there was a whole crowd of them and the biggest applause. When they finished speaking and went to collect money in a cap, these Ukrainians screaming and screaming more than anything did not give anything.
              So Tuzla and the unity of the people under your patriotism does not mean anything.
        2. +8
          6 November 2013 10: 34
          Akim, please tell me what do you personally know about the association agreement with the EU?
          What do you think about the consequences of signing it in Vilnius?

          In Moldova, for example, the contents of this document are under seven seals.
          Opposition deputies complain that they, members of parliament, legislators, have not seen and will not see the text of the agreement (!!!)
          These are the conditions either put forward by the EU or forcedly accepted by the ruling parties in order not to publicize, apparently, calculated consequences.
          What can we say about ordinary residents of the republic.

          How are you doing with this?
          1. Akim
            +1
            6 November 2013 10: 42
            Quote: Flood
            Akim, please tell me what do you personally know about the association agreement with the EU?
            What do you think about the consequences of signing it in Vilnius?

            I read it. But I'm not a macroeconomist to figure it out. I will say this. Yanukovych and Azarov sign, for the sake of political dividends it will not. They know perfectly. In any case, Western Ukraine will not vote for them.
            1. +5
              6 November 2013 10: 54
              Quote: Akim
              Yanukovych and Azarov sign, for the sake of political dividends it will not.

              All the hope for them? Such luxury is inadmissible in our time.
              Are the agreements between Moldova and Ukraine really different?
              If so, then I don’t think very much.
              So, perhaps, for your familiarization they have lowered some kind of shortened version without additional closed agreements.
              Because, I repeat, the members of the Moldovan parliament do not have access to documents.
          2. +3
            6 November 2013 10: 45
            Quote: Flood
            Akim, please tell me what do you personally know about the association agreement with the EU?

            Nothing winked
            Quote: Flood
            What do you think about the consequences of signing it in Vilnius?

            Nothing what
            Quote: Flood
            How are you doing with this?

            In no way laughing
        3. +6
          6 November 2013 11: 27
          The collapse of the Union just happened. I am with my family on the anniversary of my brother-in-law Ukrainian near Kharkov. A feast, tipsy and sister-in-law sisters got a dudu about Muscovites and, well, into it to blow with your children. They say that it is sober on the mind, drunk on the tongue. Tired of blowing, I ask: How will you sing about me? Am I the same Moskal? And I live near Moscow. They found a way out. You don’t mos.kal, they say, you are Russian! Oh how! Not even a ka.tsap!
          All the same, deeply for some, hostility to mos.kaly is buried. And unreasonably! We are still meeting, and everyone remembers that case! Eyes are hiding.
          1. +1
            6 November 2013 12: 14
            Quote: Hedgehog
            All the same, deeply for some, hostility to mos.kaly is buried. And unreasonably!

            In Ukraine, Tsarist soldiers were called "M.o.s.k.a.l.yami". NOT RUSSIANS AS A PEOPLE! Why do many Ukrainians have such dislike for "pits?" The site already had an article on this topic, they say, it was a necessary measure so that Karl's troops did not get food supplies and housing. BUT ... look at this event through the eyes of the inhabitants of Baturin. They live quietly, they did not support the Swede, they run a household and suddenly -bats! Russian soldiers, co-religionists, burst into the city and behave like Turks, Tatars or Poles. In place of Baturin, ruins are smoking. And this is on the eve of winter. Well, what does ordinary ordinary people care about high strategic plans? Their lives are ruined " "This is where the dislike comes from.
            1. +3
              6 November 2013 12: 44
              Quote: revnagan
              in Ukraine they called the royal soldiers.

              In that conversation, it was far from talking about those tsarist soldiers, but about the people who inhabit both the modern Moscow region and the regions adjacent to it. And my roots are just Klinsky (Moscow Region) on my mother and Goose-crystal (Vladimirsky) on my father. And do not take aside. I was present at that conversation and I know well and remember what and who it was all about.
              1. 0
                6 November 2013 14: 20
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Quote: revnagan
                in Ukraine they called the royal soldiers.

                In that conversation, it was far from talking about those tsarist soldiers, but about the people who inhabit both the modern Moscow region and the regions adjacent to it. And my roots are just Klinsky (Moscow Region) on my mother and Goose-crystal (Vladimirsky) on my father. And do not take aside. I was present at that conversation and I know well and remember what and who it was all about.

                Yes, I do not pretend to be a champion in side jumping. It was later that the nationalists introduced the word "mo .... li" into everyday life as an insult. But even when T.G. Shevchenko, this word meant a tsarist soldier, and no more .And in general, it would be to try to offend a person on the basis that he is "not that nation."
            2. +6
              6 November 2013 12: 56
              Quote: revnagan
              Why do many Ukrainians have such dislike for "pits"? This is a genetic resentment for the defeat of the "hetman capital" by Menshikov's soldiers

              And I look at the Germans, there is no hatred, just love to the grave
              1. Hudo
                0
                6 November 2013 13: 04
                Quote: Alexander Romanov

                And I look at the Germans, there is no hatred, just love to the grave



                This is the gamers from the SS Galicia division dug up.
              2. +2
                6 November 2013 14: 30
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And I look at the Germans, there is no hatred, just love to the grave

                Personally with me? Have you read the book "For what the Soviet people fought?" Have you heard anything about the Ivot tragedy? Ivot is a large village, not far from the town of Shostka, Sumy region, which practically repeated the fate of Khatyn. But what can I explain to you. similar people have already "understood" everything for themselves. You, as all the citizens of Ukraine who are deeply offended by the "perfidy", have only rights - the right to insult everyone. By the way, I also don’t remember something that Russians in revenge for the actions of the German " civilizers "on the territory of Russia in the Great Patriotic War broke all contracts with the Federal Republic of Germany, killed their embassy staff and dropped an atomic bomb on Berlin.
                1. +3
                  6 November 2013 14: 40
                  Quote: revnagan
                  By the way, I also don't remember that the Russians, in retaliation for the acts of the German "civilizers" on the territory of Russia in the Great Patriotic War, broke all contracts with the FRG,

                  Oh, you’ve already put yourself on a par with the Germans, it’s not bad for a start. But nevertheless, it’s strange that we don’t take revenge on the Germans, but we don’t give Ukraine (according to your authorities) directly. Well, which of us are zombies ?
                  1. +2
                    6 November 2013 19: 26
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    but Ukraine (according to your authorities) we don’t give life directly. Well, which of us are zombies?

                    Something I don’t understand, are you checkers or go? Then you blame us for the fact that with the Fritzes ALL UKRAINIANS are Vas-Vasya, then you are with the same Fritzes for bloodlust ... This, you know, looks like "You are to blame for that ,
                    what I want to eat ... "
                    But I see that progress in communication has already been outlined. You are no longer speaking "from your words," but "from the words of your AUTHORITIES." This is a plus. By the way, why did you decide that I believe the words of these very authorities at least one iota? If you are not sufficiently informed about this, why did you decide that I was brainwashed? Or is it not about my modest person? Please clarify, pzhalsta. Although I seem to have rushed to conclusions, you believe that I (or all the citizens of Ukraine ) put themselves on a par with the Germans ... It is very convenient to convince yourself that there are no normal people in Ukraine, and throw mud at the order from the position of the offended. Well, good luck.
            3. xan
              +1
              6 November 2013 19: 11
              Quote: revnagan
              BUT ... look at this event through the eyes of the inhabitants of Baturin. They live quietly, they did not support the Swedes, they conduct housekeeping and suddenly, bam! Russian soldiers, co-religionists break into the city and behave like Turks, Tatars or Poles. In place of Baturin- the ruins are smoking.

              Yeah, such civilians did not support the Swede.
              Baturin as a hetman's capital was in citizenship of the Russian Tsar. Before the troops sent to eradicate the treason of Mazepa, the garrison did not open the gate. This is treason in wartime.
              You Ukrainians as cattle slaughtered by Poles for centuries, and you see whether Baturin remembered.
              Personally, I see the Cossacks who are not indifferent, I understand that they are the only Ukrainian heroes, I understand. And do you know that the Cossacks of Sagaidachny slaughtered Russian cities along with residents who closed the gates to a simple gang raid? You probably already have an excuse for these actions.
              Well, well, Svidomo. Hypocrisy on hypocrisy, rot on rot. What kind of people?
              1. +3
                6 November 2013 20: 08
                Quote: xan
                You Ukrainians as cattle slaughtered by Poles for centuries,

                But they cut you more humane? But, unlike you, they didn’t eat Ukrainians. Yes, and the Ukrainians did not remain indebted to them. By the way, what kind of betrayal are you talking about? After all, Peter was warned about Mazepa’s intentions (the earth was broken with glass to him). That Peter did Ukrainians blame? Of course, Ukrainians are to blame. Everything is completely. And the Sagaidachnogo Cossacks are ordinary mercenaries who served Poles for money and who were ready for the same money to kill at least their mother. Why didn’t you recall the Turkish siege of Chigirin, where the Cossacks fought with the archers of Romodanovsky against the Turks? And why shouldn’t I consider the heroes of the Cossacks, who guarded at Perekop all the Orthodox land from the raids of the Turkish-Tatar lyudolov? And the victory of the Cossacks under the Yellow Waters washed the arrogant gentlemen well, postponed the Catholic expansion to the East. So that was all.
                Hypocrisy on hypocrisy, rot on rot.
                Well, what measure you measure, such will be measured out to you, you are our righteous and not double-armed.
                1. xan
                  +1
                  6 November 2013 20: 54
                  Quote: revnagan
                  . Why didn’t you recall the Turkish siege of Chigirin, where the Cossacks, along with the riflemen of Romodanovsky, fought against the Turks?

                  Because you remembered Baturin, the only Ukrainian city that cheated on Petra, and didn’t remember Poltava, where both the townspeople and the Cossacks sat with Russian soldiers. Why do you consider Baturin Ukrainians heroes and victims, but not a word about the directly opposite Ukrainians of Poltava? This is about hypocrisy. Somehow you selectively remember, I see the emotions went.
                  Quote: revnagan

                  And the victory of the Cossacks under the Yellow Waters, well washed by arrogant gentlemen, delayed the Catholic expansion to the East

                  It is ridiculous to consider an ordinary internecine victory as a victory that halted Catholic expansion. No need to pull a condom onto the globe. There haven’t been any globes in your history, but Russian world champions.
                  1. +3
                    6 November 2013 23: 13
                    Quote: xan
                    Because you remembered Baturin, the only Ukrainian city that cheated on Petra

                    But did Baturin swear allegiance to Peter? And when I wrote that the inhabitants of Baturin are heroes. They are ordinary people who suffered at the hands of the soldiers of the Orthodox state. And as for "treason", did they accept the Swedes? In general, when they want to poison the dog, say she has scabies.
                    By the way, I didn’t claim that the expansion of the papal nuncies to the East was stopped. Delayed, yes. But to pull the prez on the gloomy lesson for the wretched.
                    1. xan
                      0
                      6 November 2013 23: 59
                      Quote: revnagan
                      But did Baturin swear allegiance to Peter? And when I wrote that the inhabitants of Baturin are heroes. They are ordinary people who suffered at the hands of the soldiers of the Orthodox state. And as for "treason", did they accept the Swedes? In general, when they want to poison the dog, say she has scabies.

                      They would have accepted the Swedes, but the Russians turned out to be faster.
                      In general, I see that here you are simply moving rails, the lawyer is cheap, he turned on the fool. About the oath of Baturin remembered the clown. I jumped from a topic on the topic of a flea, did we start with what? Here I answer, I do not answer here - the position of the demagogue. With his stupid excuses, he killed in me the last hope that I argue with a smart person.
          2. -1
            6 November 2013 13: 26
            Well, she and the St. Petersburg army were not tolerated at all.
      2. -8
        6 November 2013 10: 24
        In Ukraine, there is a good proverb about this:

        Foolish thoughts Duma ...

        I apologize for the letter "e".

        Dream Russian Svidomo:
        - USA will fall apart
        - Ukraine will fall apart
        - we will take Crimea
        And when the general level of shit in the world rises to the level in which this svidomit lives, his happiness and his hour will come. But not for long, because most of the population cares about their "minor" problems from which the well-being of the nation grows. They don't care about gays in Europe, blacks in the US, etc ...
        1. Astral
          -2
          6 November 2013 11: 07
          Imagine that you are right. We don’t care about gays or the USA. Why waste your energy and nerves on these two integral factors from each other. After all, gays themselves will destroy the country in which they appeared. After all, this is a disease of culture. And if Ukrainians like moisture, flowery and colorful, and so they strive for it. That flag is in their hands. And most importantly, when they mess up with this blue-pink flag, they did not climb towards us.
          And we somehow survive without these ugly Slovenes. The catfish tumor was cut off from our country. And Russia has come down with this.
          1. +3
            6 November 2013 12: 18
            Quote: Astral
            And we somehow survive without these ugly Slovenes. The catfish tumor was cut off from our country. And Russia has come down with this.

            No, judging by the abundance of grammatical errors in both your post and many of your compatriots, Russia is still in great danger ...
            1. Astral
              +4
              6 November 2013 12: 26
              Let the grammar be lame. But for that I do not lame spirit. And your correctness of speech and loudness is suitable for writing epics on the topic "Russia is bad and she is to blame for the misfortunes of Ukraine."
              Write wisely and don’t screw it up. They will hear you. and they already understand and support me with my mistakes.
        2. general
          -6
          6 November 2013 16: 04
          I agree: "Russian svidomism" disease
          Conclusions: to treat patients (like Velikoros88 or Aleksanra Romanova).
        3. In the book
          0
          7 November 2013 10: 44
          Quote: Sergey_K
          Foolish thoughts Duma ..


          Dumka bagatіє.
    2. +9
      6 November 2013 09: 36
      Quote: Akim
      In Russia, the little maneuver now is such a drive to Ukraine.

      In Ukraine, this manech has been for 25 years.
      Quote: Akim
      Ukraine is sick, but ...

      Alas, Ukraine is in a coma, and whether it will come out of it is a question of questions.
      1. Akim
        +1
        6 November 2013 09: 42
        Quote: Tersky
        In Ukraine, this manech has been for 25 years.

        At the official level, it was only under Yusche and it was liquid so they did it.
        1. +8
          6 November 2013 10: 10
          Quote: Akim
          At the official level, it was only under Yusche and it was liquid so they did it.

          With crooked hands, and with brains aimed at plundering their own country, the Ukrainian government is incapable not only of "waking up the power", but also of elemental information confrontation ...
          1. Akim
            +2
            6 November 2013 10: 15
            Quote: Corsair
            the Ukrainian government is incapable not only of "waking up the state", but also of elemental information confrontation ...

            Tell this to Medvedev about the "3 eights" war.
            1. +9
              6 November 2013 10: 45
              Quote: Akim
              Tell this to Medvedev about the "3 eights" war.

              Unfortunately, in the military sphere, "information weapons" THEN we were clumsy. But we studied and passed the exam - the fight for Syria.
              On the FIVE with many advantages ...
              1. Akim
                0
                6 November 2013 10: 53
                Quote: Corsair
                But we studied, and passed the exam - the struggle for Syria.

                Is this your opinion or global? If Putin prevented the intervention (for which he likes laughing ), this does not mean that the views on the internal war there have changed.
                1. +1
                  6 November 2013 13: 29
                  this is an erroneous opinion. Washington had serious doubts about the completeness and reliability of the information on the chemical arsenal provided by the Syrian authorities. this is the first bell. something the Americans didn’t finish.
            2. +4
              6 November 2013 10: 46
              Quote: Akim
              Tell this to Medvedev about the "3 eights" war.

              And the fact that the world media lied about the war and the Kremlin is to blame wassat
              1. Akim
                0
                6 November 2013 10: 54
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                and the Kremlin is to blame

                Again twenty-five.
                1. +2
                  6 November 2013 11: 35
                  Quote: Akim
                  Again twenty-five.

                  Well, yes, you yourself wrote below hi
                  Quote: Akim
                  I DO NOT AIM IN EUROPE, BUT NEIGHBORS PUSHING IN THE BACK.
                  1. +4
                    6 November 2013 11: 52
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    NEIGHBORS PUSHING IN THE BACK

                    But modestly so silent what kind of neighbor. Romania Poland, Slovakia or Moldova with Hungary. Or maybe Turkey and Georgia? About Russia, I will remain even more modestly silent. Or is it a Belarusian Lukashevich’s work?
                    1. +1
                      6 November 2013 12: 58
                      Quote: Hedgehog
                      About Russia, I will remain even more modestly silent.

                      But sho to be silent, he meant Russia laughing
                      1. +4
                        6 November 2013 13: 16
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        But sho to be silent, he meant Russia

                        Aje axis swear mos.kali, do not let live in Ukraine quietly, so shit in the back and shit!
                        And there’s no reason to get up with cancer! wassat
                      2. 0
                        6 November 2013 16: 20
                        good
                        Thank. Neighing.
            3. Astral
              +1
              6 November 2013 11: 13
              But by the way, this howl on us helped. But you will be captured without war. That means there will be no shake. Sorry for you bvulichnyh you. Who used to love a big homeland, but now you want it.
              Probably from the fact that you were deceived and now you are offended. That you are in the ass, and Russia does not accept you back with your whims. After all, it always happens that a weakling and a coward laughs and grills over a more powerful and wise one. This is from powerlessness. I understand and sympathize with you.
              1. Akim
                +5
                6 November 2013 11: 39
                Quote: Astral
                . Who used to love a big homeland, but now you want it.

                And I love my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
                1. Astral
                  0
                  6 November 2013 12: 00
                  And the union was the Brotherhood of the Slovenes and other nations. And if you are now obsessing your brother, then you do not love her. You are just a fixture who keeps up with the politics that told you hight Russian and you hait. You will be silent, and you will be silent. Now you are prettier to Europe, which means you will love it.
                  But to notice Europe was not in the Union. Kokras is Europe and tried to destroy this union. Because I was afraid of him.
                  You know Europe, but the Baltic states are like chacolates. They play tricks and look around in fear of being caught and punished. And Russia, "a big and welcoming bear" does not pay to these shakolits. He and the house are well within their borders. He doesn't even think to pay attention to them.
                  So do not become the same "chacolates" as Europe and the Balts.
                  1. Akim
                    +3
                    6 November 2013 12: 16
                    Quote: Astral
                    And if you are obsessing your brother right now, then you don’t love her

                    Don’t break the pumpkin! And when did I slander neighboring people? Power - criticize. Or are you like: I say Lenin - I mean the party?
                    1. Astral
                      -2
                      6 November 2013 12: 29
                      Do not break, do not be afraid.
                      And the people choose power and he also supports it. So it was written correctly. All homeland every day. And power and people.
                      I live in Russia and am proud of it.
                      1. Akim
                        +1
                        6 November 2013 12: 55
                        Quote: Astral
                        I live in Russia and am proud of it.

                        For this, you are positive. But this does not mean that there are no other countries.
                      2. Astral
                        -2
                        6 November 2013 13: 21
                        There are many countries. But that does not mean. What you need to blame Russia for their misfortunes.
                        And if you look at a friend. And misfortunes are caused by the countries you are striving for and which skillfully veil their interference in your country. Making you blame Russia for your misfortunes.
                      3. +2
                        6 November 2013 13: 40
                        well done! I'm somehow not proud of the government. country yes, there is something! and Medvedev, the Russian Jewish Congress, Prokhorov, the hunger, and so on. By the way, Putin did not answer who drowned Kursk. I am sure both Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky know about it but are silent.
              2. -1
                6 November 2013 12: 24
                Quote: Astral
                But you will be captured without war. That means there will be no shake. Sorry for you bvulichnyh you. Who used to love a big homeland, but now you want it. Probably because you were deceived

                Here, another newcomer with the mindset of a second grader ... "you", "you, ... Who exactly do you mean? People?" State? Politicians?
                1. Astral
                  -2
                  6 November 2013 12: 42
                  Well old-timer with a beard. Congratulations that you graduated from the institute.))
                  Switching to a person means only powerlessness and alas, this is sad. That apart from the transition to a personal insult, you are not capable of anything.
                  And the message goes to those who hut Russia in my country.
                  1. +4
                    6 November 2013 19: 42
                    Quote: Astral
                    Well old-timer with a beard. Congratulations that you graduated from the institute.))

                    Despite the fact that you are an ignoramus (this is fixable) and a boor (this is also treated), I will answer you correctly. Regarding age and education, you flatter me. In 1989 I graduated from the Soviet school. Education is not higher (but not vocational school). I care and love my native language, Russian. At the same time, I respect and love Ukrainian. And if you position yourself as a patriot of Russia, you yourself should try to keep your language clean and fluent in it. Russia, like Ukraine, is different. There are Russia simple people, there are Russian officials, everything is like in Ukraine. Whom do you kick?
            4. xan
              +2
              6 November 2013 22: 13
              Quote: Akim
              Tell this to Medvedev about the "3 eights" war.

              the information war in that war is won, moreover, on their site and according to their rules. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
          2. +3
            6 November 2013 13: 35
            Well, ours, too, have not gone far. The Kremlin is occupied by the people who don’t want to know about an alliance with Ukraine and Belarus. There Belarusians mumble for 20 years, and there are no shifts. They also arrange trade wars.
            1. +2
              6 November 2013 22: 07
              Imagine that we have teamed up with Belarus! Guess the name of the next president three times, so there will be no association in the next minimum 20 years!
              1. xan
                0
                7 November 2013 00: 11
                Quote: Starina_Hank
                Imagine that we have teamed up with Belarus! Guess the name of the next president three times, so there will be no association in the next minimum 20 years!

                Is it really dad Lukashenko, who can only mumble on small things and not let go?
                What the Old Man does with Belarus, we passed under socialism. Nothing good came of it.
                I don’t see anything constructive in the Old Man. Here he is able to keep and not let go. Can private initiative, small and medium-sized businesses flourish in Belarus? There is nothing but a command system. This is a dead end. Without Russia, Belarus would have been devoured a long time ago.
          3. +2
            7 November 2013 00: 21
            I will add about the "rozbudovy powers".

            For two decades, well, don't fucking remember the positive. At least one state success. Every year, with every election, it gets worse and worse. Kuvskiy sigh - "a great pity" has become our status.
          4. In the book
            0
            7 November 2013 10: 48
            Quote: Corsair
            With crooked hands, but with brains aimed at plundering their own country, the Ukrainian government is not capable not only of "waking up the state", but also of elementary information confrontation.

            Because they are busy, first of all, in order to fill their own moshna. And they do not care deeply about how ordinary people live in their country.

            http://argumentua.com/stati/soldat-yanukovicha-sergei-tulub-k-vyboram-gotov-arse
            nal-oruzhiya-i-dachi-za-rubezhom
    3. HAM
      +2
      6 November 2013 09: 40
      Dear African-American Akim, and we do not expect too much connects us.
      1. Akim
        0
        6 November 2013 09: 46
        Quote: HAM
        and we don’t wait, too much connects us.

        You are not. And many millions of Russians, too. But the Kremlin is not waiting, he is doing it. Moreover, such attempts have been ongoing for a long time.
        1. 0
          6 November 2013 10: 10
          he is not there and millions of others too, but I, for one, am waiting and millions of others are also waiting, as by the way in Ukraine too. no need to speak for others, speak for yourself.
          1. Akim
            +3
            6 November 2013 10: 14
            Quote: katran666
            , as well as in Ukraine, too. no need to speak for others, speak for yourself.

            There are traitors in our villages. Why do Russia need these traitors?
        2. +6
          6 November 2013 10: 13
          Quote: Akim
          . But the Kremlin is not waiting, he is doing it. Moreover, such attempts have been ongoing for a long time.

          Greece, Cyprus, but even these treacherous Russians from the Kremlin are to blame winked or not ride wink
          1. Akim
            -2
            6 November 2013 10: 20
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            and there these guilty Russians from the Kremlin are to blame

            I say Alexander. You have an underestimation complex.
            1. +3
              6 November 2013 10: 49
              Quote: Akim
              You have an underestimation complex.

              Yes, I’m okay and I’ll live with the complex, if that. But for you (Ukrainians) without complexes, it will be much easier to integrate and take part in gay parades wink
              1. Akim
                +1
                6 November 2013 10: 56
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                it will be much easier to integrate and take part in gay parades

                Is this your main counterargument?
                1. +2
                  6 November 2013 11: 34
                  Quote: Akim
                  Is this your main counterargument?

                  What better is the main argument (economic) for what are you going to sign with the EU? What will it give in numbers and preferably from your economists wink
                  It’s easy to write, there will be no investment, investments need a stable economy, at least as in Russia.
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    6 November 2013 12: 18
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    What better is the main argument (economic) for what are you going to sign with the EU? What will it give in numbers and preferably from your economists

                    Once again, I'm not a macroeconomist, and I won’t look for any links there.
                    1. +4
                      6 November 2013 13: 01
                      Quote: Akim
                      Once again, I'm not a macroeconomist, and I won’t look for any links there.

                      Then there is nothing pi **** for the fact that signing with the EU is beneficial. As far as I remember, I argued with you on this topic. Or better in a swamp than friendship with Russia.
                      1. Akim
                        -5
                        6 November 2013 13: 22
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Then there is nothing pi **** for the fact that signing with the EU is beneficial

                        Hto? I AM? Yes, it is beneficial in the complex. And do not contrast.
                      2. -1
                        6 November 2013 22: 18
                        Finally, the German comrades will have a real opportunity to build their own farmhouses on Ukrainian soil. A flag in your hand and a drum around your neck!
                        I hope this desire is not the whole Ukrainian people!
                    2. +5
                      6 November 2013 13: 29
                      Quote: Akim
                      I’m not a macroeconomist, and I won’t look for any links there.

                      And here you don’t need to be any kind of particularly advanced economist. You are an educated person. And an educated person, experienced in life, a visionary and a patriot should understand that the issue of integration, allied relations between Russia and Ukraine is a matter of struggle.
                      As the Romans used to say: "look for someone who benefits."
                      Who benefits from a possibly larger separation of Russia and Ukraine?
                      A stronger combined economy of the Russian Federation and Ukraine or weaker, and are the EU leaders happy about this?
                      For whom did the independence give the greatest profit and income, and for whom - zilch and sheer inconvenience?
                      Who has a capitalist in the West?
                      Are the problems of the Indians, the leader (leaders with the capitalist) interesting?
                      Could Gazprom supply gas to Ukrainian consumers directly and would Ukrainian sovereignty disappear from this (see Belarus)?
                      Does anyone in Europe need Ukrainian high-tech industry?
                      What does Ukraine sell to Russia, and what to Europe?
                      And leaking, leaking, leaking ...
                      And do not go to the macroeconomist ... request
                  2. +2
                    6 November 2013 12: 34
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    What better is the main argument (economic) for what are you going to sign with the EU?

                    Here, yes, here, Akim, explain to me, please, that's why you (you, you, who else), wassat gathered to sign this damned association agreement with this fucking EU. Don’t dare, Akim, to do this. And if you do, then you, Akim, radish and in general, pe, pe, pe, ... well, I’m with you , since I live in Ukraine. And although I am categorically against the EU and for an alliance with Russia like the USSR, anyway, I will be pi, pi, pi, if you, Akim, sign it. laughing
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      6 November 2013 12: 58
                      Quote: revnagan
                      anyway, I will also be pi, pi, pi, if you, Akim, sign this

                      Good. My hand will not touch him.
                    2. +2
                      6 November 2013 13: 02
                      Quote: revnagan
                      Here, yes, here, Akim, explain to me, please, that's why you (you, you, who else),

                      He will not sign it, but he defends it, is there a difference or is it all under one crest?
                  3. general
                    -10
                    6 November 2013 16: 26
                    The main Russian observer of the novels, not answering one question posed - asks two new ones :)))
                    Offset Sasha, it’s time to paint on the avatars of paisiki in paint!
                  4. general
                    0
                    6 November 2013 16: 34
                    Leading (at VO) Russian Svidomo of novels NOT answering one question posed - asks two new ones :)))
                    Offset Sasha, it’s time to paint on the avatars of paisiki in paint!
            2. Astral
              +1
              6 November 2013 11: 19
              For that, you were swollen from Pride that you live in the great and mighty Ukraine. Fear the enemy Ukrainians are coming.
              You know, they even talk about us in the world. Because Russia has left a mark on history and the world. Not always positive, but left. And Ukraine, for its proud 23 years, has done nothing. Not for myself and not in the world.
              You only hear about her when she is promoting herself. They remember about her only toga when she begins to be indignant and cry. Ukraine is becoming the same faceless "pug" like the Baltic states.
              Sorry for the country. Degrades.
              1. +2
                6 November 2013 12: 01
                Quote: Astral
                . And Ukraine, for its proud 23 years, has done nothing. Not for myself and not in the world.

                Passenger aircraft has failed, and what well, that's all request
                1. Astral
                  +1
                  6 November 2013 12: 30
                  And then this topic is muddy and smacks of politics.
            3. 0
              6 November 2013 13: 51
              by the way with the Russians in the Kremlin is tense.
    4. 0
      6 November 2013 09: 45
      wait and see
      1. olviko
        +7
        6 November 2013 11: 19
        evgeny1td (2)
        " wait and see "

        Well, right. Putin has repeatedly said that "Ukraine’s entry into the EU is not our business at all." Return your debts and go wherever you wish. Have you ever seen Putin wrong in international affairs? I think he’s right, why should we trifle? Let Ukraine first join Europe, it will be such a Trojan horse, worse than Greece. All the same, the European Union, that is, Germany will not pull an additional almost 50 million hungry mouths, and then at once we will join Europe with Ukraine to Russia, they themselves will be asked. So Putin’s plan to build a new Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok will become a reality.
        1. +4
          6 November 2013 11: 32
          Quote: olviko
          Let Ukraine First Join Europe

          But who will take Ukraine to Europe? Who???????????????? Europe needs a market for its goods, not hungry mouths.
          1. olviko
            +2
            6 November 2013 12: 39
            Alexander Romanov (1)
            Who????????????????

            Alexander, you need to make sure that they would! Weaken Europe will be very welcome. The West, in fact, has no trump cards, let them know with whom they sat down to play. In order to absorb Ukraine, the EU, i.e. Germany will have to fork out well, including paying the debts of Ukraine to Russia. Germany, faithful to its aspirations to seize all assets in Europe, actively resisted the construction of the South Stream, because for it it is a competitor to the North. Germany wanted to ride a Ukrainian pipe. Hence the indispensable desire to "associate" Ukraine. In general, I must say that Russia and Germany entered a kind of silent war that has been going on for some time. She is not yet visible, but she is, she is happening now. In military terms, Germany went, as usual, a “pig” through Ukraine. Putin makes two flank attacks with gas pipelines, driving wedges into the very heart of Europe. As always, gas and money are at stake.
            Well, of course, Ukraine itself can be understood - they want to live, as in Europe. But why did they decide that they would live like in Germany? There are many different states in Europe, and not all of them live well. For example, many families in Romania still, instead of dinner, scratch their belly, and this menu ends. In general, this party, in my opinion, will also be exciting, no worse than Syria!
            1. 0
              6 November 2013 13: 03
              Quote: olviko
              Alexander, you need to make sure that they would!

              Yes nah .... do we need all this ???
    5. +10
      6 November 2013 09: 50
      Quote: Akim
      There was a "suspicion" that such topics would be included as daily morning reports in VO
      In Russia, the little maneuver now is such a drive to Ukraine.

      Yes, the article is posted on the Russian site, but the author is UKRAINIAN ...
      I can not agree with the call for a ban on Ukrainian patriotism, this is NONSENS! How can you forbid a person to love the Fatherland,BUT...
      In Ukraine, at all levels, the replacement of the feeling of love for the Motherland with cave nationalism, bordering on fascism, is being promoted. "the instructions are from above".
      1. Akim
        +4
        6 November 2013 10: 00
        Quote: Corsair
        Yes, the article is posted on the Russian site, but the author is UKRAINIAN ...

        The point is not in the content of the article and not in the nationality of the author. Even if the writing said that everyone in Ukraine is chiki-farts. Washed away, in that constantly trying to oppose.
        1. +3
          6 November 2013 10: 18
          Quote: Akim
          Washed away, in that constantly trying to oppose.

          Akimdiscarding the "superficial", we can assume with a high degree of certainty that the article is posted on a Russian site for "internal use".
          Perhaps the purpose of the article is an attempt to awaken a sense of self-preservation in Russia, to prevent us from following the path of Ukraine, to slide down ...
          1. Akim
            +1
            6 November 2013 10: 23
            Quote: Corsair
            b that the article is posted on a Russian site for "internal use".

            Ask the moderators about this.
            1. +4
              6 November 2013 10: 37
              Quote: Akim
              Ask the moderators about this.

              Why ask? The article is not extremely radical, the national feeling does not infringe ... and makes you THINK.
              To think if we want this way for Russia?
      2. sumcream56
        +2
        6 November 2013 13: 42
        Yes, the fact is that THERE IS NOT ANYTHING IN THE ESSENCE of Independent Ukrainian, as well as Belarusian, etc. and Baltic nationalism, and Never Was. ! In the Baltic there was a movement of farm laborers of the German-Swedish barons who wished to live like the British. In Ukraine and Belarus, it is tracing paper from Polish nationalism. So Ukraine will be able to live without Russia as a laborer of Polish lords and German burghers. However, she lived without Muscovy. Shipbuilding in Europe is almost gone, so Nikolaev and Kherson are the khan. And only the production of bolts and nuts for Europe will remain from Ukrainian engineering. And the truth with crooked hands is enough to wash over the metal - you just need to grow bread and sunflower, at worst, cook steel. For this, gas is almost not needed. The only thing that remains unchanged is the Slavic brotherhood ... with the Poles. Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Slovenes, with rare exception, the same barefoot in the outskirts of Europe.
    6. +6
      6 November 2013 10: 11
      Quote: Akim
      In Russia, the little maneuver now is such a drive to Ukraine. What to say. The Kremlin did just the opposite with its agitation. He didn’t break, but rallied the Ukrainian people

      Your politicians have extensive experience in finding who is to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine. They will write with the EU and the economy will collapse, who will be to blame - Russia! Do not sign, again, Russia wassat
      Quote: Akim
      Ukraine is sick, but ...
      DO NOT WAIT !!!

      22 years the disease progresses, and it is chronic and incurable.
      Quote: Akim
      Well minusers go ahead!

      He himself asked for minuses, and when they throw him, he will blame Russian classic users for everything laughing
      1. Akim
        +1
        6 November 2013 10: 17
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov (

        Alexander, do you have a complex?
        1. +5
          6 November 2013 10: 46
          Akim, sorry, have read your fabrications on the topic of our understanding of our inferiority and from here the resulting "inferiority complex". And I realized that you are a worthy son of Europe with your overvalued complex. You think too well about European values ​​and do not put the values ​​of your ancestors into anything. Yes, you are ordinary, sorry for being rude, Juda. I will be happy when people like you hit the road to Europe. The earth will be clearer, which will still return back to its historical place.
          1. Akim
            -13
            6 November 2013 10: 58
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            I will be happy when people like you hit the road to Europe.

            I DO NOT AIM IN EUROPE, BUT NEIGHBORS PUSHING IN THE BACK.
            1. +2
              6 November 2013 11: 30
              Quote: Akim
              I DO NOT AIM IN EUROPE, BUT NEIGHBORS PUSHING IN THE BACK.

              wassat wassat wassat This makes Russia sign an agreement with the EU laughing
              1. Akim
                -1
                6 November 2013 12: 20
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This makes Russia sign an agreement with the EU

                This time we got it. No. She simply repels ordinary people from herself.
                1. +1
                  6 November 2013 13: 05
                  Quote: Akim
                  She simply repels ordinary people from herself.

                  And who has been saying to these ordinary people for 23 years that the Russians are to blame for all their troubles? Is the Kremlin again wink
                  1. Akim
                    +1
                    6 November 2013 13: 24
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    that it is the Russians to blame for all their troubles? Is the Kremlin again

                    But now they didn’t hit. why do you smear so often?
                2. 0
                  6 November 2013 13: 30
                  Akim, can you argue with what Russia repels Ukraine?
                  1. Akim
                    +1
                    6 November 2013 13: 52
                    Quote: 31231
                    can argue with what Russia repels Ukraine?

                    By politics. First of all, informational. Submission of information material. Economic wars, overpriced energy prices, blackmail. This did not turn me towards the West, but it pushed me away from Russia.
                    1. 0
                      6 November 2013 16: 26
                      I did not see any figures or facts. Absolutely subjective wrote.
                      1. Akim
                        +2
                        6 November 2013 16: 37
                        Quote: 31231
                        Absolutely subjective wrote.

                        Quote: Akim
                        This did not turn me away towards the West, but it pushed me away from Russia.

                        That is subjective. Do you think there are few like me? This is due to the fact that back in August 2008, I helped to collect humanitarian aid in Tskhinvali, and after the school’s attack in Beslan, I brought a basket of roses to the Russian consulate and put it in that sea with color.
                3. 0
                  6 November 2013 19: 31
                  Again, the same song is to blame for everything in Russia, you can’t come up with anything else.
            2. BYRY
              0
              7 November 2013 01: 22
              It’s good that in the back, and not slightly lower. Well here - as anyone likes.
        2. 0
          6 November 2013 10: 50
          Quote: Akim
          Do you have a complex?

          Yes, you wrote what is, sho ask again.
          1. Akim
            0
            6 November 2013 11: 15
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            what is sho to ask again.

            Sasha, look at the time. That was the first question.
            1. 0
              6 November 2013 11: 28
              Quote: Akim
              That was the first question.

              I am notorious for time, therefore I did not notice winked
        3. korben
          0
          13 November 2013 22: 22
          Definitely have it! With a high druhom called me, namely druhom. And he "scolded" for the cons, addressed to His Majesty!
      2. +8
        6 November 2013 10: 30
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Your politicians have extensive experience in finding who is to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine. They will write with the EU and the economy will collapse, who will be to blame - Russia! Do not sign, again, Russia


        Clickable Image:
      3. +2
        6 November 2013 11: 25
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        22 years the disease progresses, and it is chronic and incurable.

        Moreover, irreversible pathologies began, but some organs for transplantation into the native organism are quite suitable.
    7. +9
      6 November 2013 10: 25
      Quote: Akim
      There was a "suspicion" that such topics would be included as daily morning reports in VO

      Here you are right, less is more.
      Quote: Akim
      In Russia, the little maneuver now is such a drive to Ukraine.

      Let's be honest with ourselves. This is just a rollback of the wave from the Ukrainian coast.
      Quote: Akim
      Now the Kremlin’s next rush - Ukraine will split.

      Did the Kremlin say this? I heard this, but somehow from political scientists and various analysts. And I'm afraid this may turn out to be true.
      Quote: Akim
      Do not confuse patriotism with nationalism and pseudo-patriotism.

      I agree again. The proposed prohibition of patriotism warps a little. Every normal person loves his homeland, his land.
      But, on the other hand, one cannot ignore the fact that such ugly forms this patriotism took in Ukraine. Or, in other words, how exactly nationalism and pseudo-patriotism are adapted to the concept of patriotism from the authorities.
      Quote: Akim
      Ukraine is sick, but ...

      May God grant health to Ukraine. And enlightenment of the mind.
      1. Akim
        0
        6 November 2013 10: 33
        Quote: Flood
        Let's be honest with ourselves. This is just a rollback of the wave from the Ukrainian coast.

        Under all these problems, the eyes are blinded to the true necessary questions. What, for example, to do with Transnistria when Moldova and Ukraine sign an association?
        1. +2
          6 November 2013 10: 38
          Quote: Akim
          Under all these problems, the eyes are blinded to the true necessary questions.

          Of course. So let's not let the sizzling Natsik and the slippery conjuncturists blur their eyes.
          Quote: Akim
          What, for example, to do with Transnistria when Moldova and Ukraine sign an association?

          Transnistria has already given its answer to this.
          Evgeny Shevchuk spoke clearly and unambiguously.
          Although he was in no hurry to share his future plans.
          But here it seems like there are no other options besides appealing for support to the Russian Federation.

          http://president.gospmr.ru/ru/news/e-shevchuk-podpisanie-respublikoy-moldova-dog

          ovora-s-es-naneset-ushcherb-pridnestrovyu
          1. Akim
            -2
            6 November 2013 10: 49
            Quote: Flood
            Evgeny Shevchuk spoke clearly and unambiguously.

            And nothing. I specifically asked this question. because Transnistria is offering a vehicle. And who recognizes her?
            1. +2
              6 November 2013 10: 59
              Quote: Akim
              I specifically asked this question. because Transnistria is offering a vehicle. And who recognizes her?

              Russia and recognizes, if accepted in the vehicle. And there you look and the other defendants will catch up. This is quite enough to protect the interests of the territory.
              True, I have not heard about the proposal to join the TS.
              1. Akim
                -3
                6 November 2013 11: 18
                Quote: Flood
                Russia and recognizes, if accepted in the vehicle.

                Okay. The question is continued. And how will they trade? Ukraine - Tiraspol will never recognize sovereign.
                1. +4
                  6 November 2013 11: 25
                  Quote: Akim
                  Ukraine - Tiraspol will never recognize sovereign.

                  Well, he doesn’t recognize and do not, remember western Berlin. Will Ukraine bring down planes in Ukraine? One recognition of the state by Russia will put Ukraine at a standstill.
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    6 November 2013 11: 42
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    West Berlin Remember

                    West Berlin belonged to Germany. Yes, and I do not think that air trading will be reasonable. After all, PMR is not in blockade.
                    1. +1
                      6 November 2013 12: 03
                      Quote: Akim
                      . Yes, and I do not think that air trading will be reasonable. After all, PMR is not in blockade.

                      In this case, I see no obstacles at all hi
                      1. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 13: 01
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        In this case, I see no obstacles at all

                        And there will be obstacles. In the event that TMR recognizes only Russia. If Chisinau and Tiraspol agree on a normal divorce, everyone will recognize it.
                2. +3
                  6 November 2013 11: 25
                  Quote: Akim
                  The question is continued. And how will they trade? Ukraine - Tiraspol will never recognize sovereign

                  I think Ukraine will be combed out very quickly when a similar question is put before it by the Russian authorities.
                  The first time will not seem easy to anyone. And Transnistria in the first place.
                  But everything will fall into place thanks to the suddenly suddenly wiser Ukrainian authorities. Of course, not without sanctions from the Russian Federation, not without popular unrest in Ukraine itself. When is your election?
                  1. Akim
                    0
                    6 November 2013 11: 45
                    Quote: Flood
                    I think Ukraine will be combed out very quickly when a similar question is put before it by the Russian authorities.

                    Ukraine does not recognize Kosovo, nor Taiwan, nor Northern Cyprus.
                    . Why do you think Russia can push it?
                    1. +3
                      6 November 2013 11: 49
                      Quote: Akim
                      Ukraine does not recognize Kosovo, nor Taiwan, nor Northern Cyprus.
                      . Why do you think Russia can push it?

                      I don’t think, I’m sure that Russia will take absolutely symmetrical steps.
                      Will Ukraine, perforce, jeopardize the economic survival of the PMR?
                      Then become, dear, yourself in such a pose and try on yourself what it is like.
                      This is true.
                      1. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 12: 23
                        Quote: Flood
                        I don’t think, I’m sure that Russia will take absolutely symmetrical steps.

                        Not the economic integration of the PMR and Russia, so that Moscow would engage in such a battle for it.
                      2. +2
                        6 November 2013 12: 32
                        Quote: Akim
                        Not the economic integration of the PMR and Russia, so that Moscow would engage in such a battle for it.

                        Integration? How to say. There are geopolitical interests. There is a billion dollar debt.
                        There will be no battle. Only symmetric measures.
                    2. +2
                      6 November 2013 11: 58
                      Quote: Akim
                      Ukraine does not recognize Kosovo, nor Taiwan, nor Northern Cyprus.

                      By the way, a very interesting topic.
                      What are the Ukrainian military doing as part of the KFOR forces on the territory of Kosovo not recognized by Ukraine (read recognized Serbia)?
                      1. Akim
                        -2
                        6 November 2013 12: 26
                        Quote: Flood
                        What do the Ukrainian military do as part of the KFOR forces on the territory of Kosovo not recognized by Ukraine


                        Ensure the security of the Serbs from Kosovars, under the UN mandate.
                      2. +9
                        6 November 2013 12: 39
                        Quote: Akim
                        Ensure the security of Serbs from Kosovars, under the UN mandate

                        Again we enter the slippery ice of moral aspects.
                        What the hell is the UN mandate? !!!
                        Your soldiers are on the territory of sovereign Serbia (you did not recognize Kosovo). Does Ukraine have permission from the Serbian authorities?
                        What kind of security are you talking about?
                        The Serbs provided their own security until the US intervened! You wonder how many houses and temples have been destroyed in Kosovo during the "security" period of the KFOR forces! How many innocent people fell victim to the Kosovars.
                        This is just an excuse. But aiding the aggressor cannot be justified by any mandates.

                        Spain, Georgia, Latvia, Armenia withdrew their military from Kosovo. The Ukrainian authorities continue to appease Uncle Sam and join in democracy, and not at his own expense.
                        And at the expense of his people, since the contingent is financed from the state. budget and substitute themselves for bullets are not children of those in power.
                        Did someone ask people?

                        You ensure the security of the Serbs by not asking for the views of the Serbs themselves on this subject. What does it look like?
                        Remember the dashing 90s? Brothers rush into the office: we will now ensure your safety.
                      3. Akim
                        -1
                        6 November 2013 13: 06
                        Quote: Flood
                        What the hell is the UN mandate? !!!

                        UN Security Council Resolution 1244
                        All unrecognized states are under UN jurisdiction.
                      4. 0
                        6 November 2013 13: 14
                        Quote: Akim
                        UN Security Council Resolution 1244
                        All unrecognized states are under UN jurisdiction.

                        It was not a question. It was an emotion.
                        Unrecognized by whom? Self-named or what?
                        What a nonsense.
                        De facto Abkhazia was also an unrecognized state at the time of the Georgian aggression. How did you miss this opportunity to protect it?
                        Or is the whole point that this unrecognized state should be recognized unilaterally as the main world gendarme? I guessed? Is the UN green light its solution?

                        You move away from direct and unambiguous answers.
                        What are Ukrainian soldiers doing in Serbia since Serbia did not invite them there?
                      5. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 14: 00
                        Quote: Flood
                        What are Ukrainian soldiers doing in Serbia since Serbia did not invite them there?

                        But Tbilisi invited Russian peacekeepers to Tskhinval or Sukhum (specifically named them in Georgian)? You sometimes ask such things about which 20 years of politics can’t agree, but I only have 2 first year courses in the faculty of international relations (I didn’t stretch out the Arabic and transferred).
                      6. +5
                        6 November 2013 14: 04
                        Quote: Akim
                        And Tbilisi invited Russian peacekeepers to Tskhinval or Sukhum

                        Of course I invited. Moreover, he had a mechanism for their withdrawal from these regions through the revocation of ratification of agreements. True, I preferred not to use them.
                      7. +3
                        6 November 2013 14: 31
                        Quote: Akim
                        Did Tbilisi invite Russian peacekeepers to Tskhinval or Sukhum (specifically named them in Georgian)?

                        Of course, the mandate of the Russian peacekeepers was also agreed with the Georgian side.
                        And only at the end of August 2008 Georgia canceled it unilaterally.

                        But don’t even have consent from Georgia, it’s completely clear to me what the Russian military is actually doing on the southern borders of their country and in the zone of Russia's direct state interests.
                        Unlike the example of Kosovo.
                      8. yur
                        yur
                        +1
                        6 November 2013 22: 51
                        I completely agree with your opinion with the exception: "How many innocent people have become victims of the Kosovars." The Kosovars are the Kosovar Serbs. Did you mean the Kosovar Albanians?
                      9. 0
                        7 November 2013 10: 41
                        Quote: yur
                        Kosovars are the Kosovo Serbs. Maybe you mean Kosovo Albanians?

                        Maybe you're right.
                        If you look into the depths of history, then the true Kosovars are precisely the Serbs who lived from time immemorial in the territory.
                        But time turned everything upside down.
                        Thanks for the amendment.
                      10. +2
                        6 November 2013 13: 07
                        Quote: Akim
                        Ensure the security of the Serbs from Kosovars,

                        Not funny.
                      11. +2
                        6 November 2013 13: 14
                        Especially if we recall the dynamics of a decrease in the percentage of the Serb population in the municipality of Stropce, under the "protection" of the Polish-Ukrainian "peacekeepers" they have turned from a majority into a minority.
                        Well, the attitude of the Serbs themselves to the Ukrainian "peacekeepers"
                      12. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 14: 03
                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, the attitude of the Serbs themselves to the Ukrainian "peacekeepers"

                        Which one? The only contingent to which people and the local Orthodox Church are drawn. In that year, only they were specially left on the line of the Serbian enclave.
                      13. +2
                        6 November 2013 14: 19
                        Quote: Akim
                        What kind?

                        They throw grenades at them. What perfectly shows the attitude of Serbs towards Ukrainians
                      14. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 14: 30
                        Quote: Spade
                        They throw grenades at them. What perfectly shows the attitude of Serbs towards Ukrainians

                        Listen, everything is so smoothly happens only in books about love. From one case, you should not draw conclusions.
                      15. +1
                        6 November 2013 15: 32
                        There is a natural ethnocide. Held by the leadership of Pristina and fully supported by EU functionaries. And if about the squeezing of Serbs from Kosovo, in which Ukrainians participate, you can only say
                        Quote: Akim
                        that's all so smoothly happens only in books about love

                        I don’t understand you, to say the least.
                      16. Akim
                        +2
                        6 November 2013 15: 50
                        Quote: Spade
                        There is a natural ethnocide.

                        Do you believe politicians or people who have been there? I am the second. When a crowd rushes at the police in Moscow, this does not mean that these policemen are treated badly. They are not policemen.
                      17. +2
                        6 November 2013 16: 01
                        I believe in reality. Albanians went so far as to introduce a visa regime. That is, even relatives cannot come to the Serbs in enclaves. And this regime is supported by their bayonets Ukrainians. Vile.
                      18. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 16: 28
                        Quote: Spade
                        And this regime is supported by their bayonets Ukrainians.

                        Well, you are cool !. It just smacks of propaganda from the 60s and 70s. Would you be pleased if I quote rubbish from the Western media about the atrocities of the Russian troops in Chechnya? Ukraine has its own policy. I have not been to Kosovo or Iraq. My classmates were there. And believe me, it’s unpleasant to hear political bravado of this kind.
                      19. +5
                        6 November 2013 19: 39
                        Does Ukraine have its own policy? I haven’t heard, while only pro-American is visible.
                      20. Akim
                        +1
                        6 November 2013 19: 57
                        Quote: Hiking
                        I haven’t heard, while only pro-American is visible.

                        If it does not coincide with yours - this does not mean there is no alternative. As if Russia decides everything for Kazakhstan.
                      21. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 13: 26
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Not funny.

                        And you must be offended that there are no Russian peacekeepers?
                      22. +2
                        6 November 2013 13: 34
                        Russia basically refused to participate in the Albanization of Serbian enclaves in Kosovo. She didn’t want the Serbs to hate her soldier to such an extent that they started throwing grenades at them.

                        Well, Ukraine ... Either the political will was not enough, or the owner yanked, I don’t know
                      23. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 14: 06
                        Quote: Spade
                        Russia basically refused to participate in the Albanization of Serbian enclaves in Kosovo. She didn’t want her soldiers to hate the Serbs to the point that they started kid grenades

                        Well, is it easier for local Serbs from your integrity?
                      24. +2
                        6 November 2013 14: 20
                        Of course easier. Russian citizens do not participate in the Serb ethnocide.
                      25. Akim
                        -1
                        6 November 2013 14: 31
                        Quote: Spade
                        Russian citizens do not participate in the Serb ethnocide.

                        Propaganda. Moreover, stitching.
                      26. +1
                        6 November 2013 15: 36
                        No, this is a reality. But really lousy. Because Ukraine is involved in this
                      27. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 16: 12
                        Quote: Spade
                        No it's a reality

                        Similar excuses have already been.
                        There were similar excuses in the Korean conflict. But if the USSR lost the UN, he at least helped the North Koreans financially. And Russia was completely abstracted from the help of Serbia.
                      28. +2
                        6 November 2013 19: 18
                        Quote: Akim
                        And Russia was completely abstracted from the help of Serbia.

                        What do you mean by help? Distribution of coupons for bread?
                        Or is it this?


                        Russia acts in a different way.
                        Russian investments in Serbian economy will exceed $ 1 billion

                        and this is only according to the results of 2012.
                        http://www.srpska.ru/article.php?nid=19795
                      29. Akim
                        0
                        6 November 2013 19: 37
                        Quote: Flood
                        Russian investments in Serbian economy will exceed $ 1 billion

                        God give it.
                        Srbiјu needs treasure and chuck 7 miliardi evra russian investments

                        And this does not prevent them from cooperating with the West.
                    3. +2
                      6 November 2013 12: 04
                      Quote: Akim
                      . Why do you think Russia can push it?

                      And now doesn't it press?
                      1. +3
                        6 November 2013 12: 31
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And now doesn't it press?

                        This is not a "push", Alexander. This is a "light squeeze", but if you need to push, then you need to do it in relation to the financial, economic and political elite, and SO so that Ukrainian citizens suffer the least ...
                  2. +2
                    6 November 2013 12: 40
                    Quote: Flood
                    When is your election?

                    Oh, I’d rather ...
                    1. +1
                      6 November 2013 13: 08
                      Quote: revnagan

                      Oh, I’d rather ...

                      He thinks that after the elections in Ukraine will become better wassat
                      1. Hudo
                        +2
                        6 November 2013 13: 15
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        He thinks that after the elections in Ukraine will become better


                        If this appendicitis of the "U" story bursts, it will definitely get better as a result of the elections.
                      2. +3
                        6 November 2013 20: 21
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        He thinks that after the elections in Ukraine will become better

                        Well, if it so flatters your vanity, consider me so stupid ... But I’m not building illusions. It will not become by itself. OL will get a good kick, and I will receive deep moral satisfaction. And in general, a better terrible end than endless horror.
            2. +1
              6 November 2013 11: 08
              A bit on near-related topics firsthand:
            3. +3
              6 November 2013 11: 55
              We recognize her and you try to challenge it.
              Or even better, they are holding a referendum and we are joining Transnistria to Russia on the basis of international law. I think no one doubts the result of the referendum?
        2. +2
          6 November 2013 10: 53
          Quote: Akim
          Under all these problems, the eyes are blinded to the true necessary questions.

          Yes Yes wink
          Quote: Akim
          What, for example, to do with Transnistria

          Ukraine is nothing, the fate of this state is in the hands of Russia!
          Quote: Akim
          when will Moldova and Ukraine sign the association?

          Moldova never!
          Ukraine, a big question hi
          1. Akim
            0
            6 November 2013 11: 20
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Ukraine is nothing, the fate of this state is in the hands of Russia!

            And what are you better like Natsik from ours?
            1. +3
              6 November 2013 11: 22
              Quote: Akim

              And what are you better like Natsik from ours?

              And what does nationalism have to do with it, it’s just real that Russia is the only country that can decide the fate of Transnistria. Without nationalism, as a fact and no more. Ukraine or the EU can not do anything, even if they want to.
              1. Akim
                +1
                6 November 2013 11: 47
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                . Without nationalism, as a fact and no more.

                We ask forgiveness. Of this read how his.
          2. +3
            6 November 2013 13: 06
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Moldova never!

            Surely the bastards will sign. Liberasts burn bridges behind them at every step. And spit on them to the country and people. Romania has long been waiting with bread and salt.
        3. +3
          6 November 2013 10: 55
          Quote: Akim
          Under all these problems, the eyes are blinded to the true necessary questions. What, for example, to do with Transnistria when Moldova and Ukraine sign an association?

          Romania will try to "play" the Moldavian and Transnistrian cards, but it will have "tricks" ...
          1. Akim
            +1
            6 November 2013 11: 21
            Quote: Corsair
            but "figs" to her.

            Even more bolted them all over the face.
    8. +10
      6 November 2013 10: 48
      If Ukraine is finally moving away from Russia, then in Ukraine the next generation will not be ours. Yes, Ukraine will not disappear, we will disappear - the Ukrainian people. And then not Russians will live in Russia either. This is not the separation of Ukraine from Russia, this is the loss by us of the Slavs of our land.
    9. +1
      6 November 2013 10: 57
      Ukraine is sick, but ...
      DO NOT WAIT !!!
      Well minusers go ahead!


      You are just like that Don Quixote.
      Okay, at least they’ve become Dartonyan.
      1. +5
        6 November 2013 11: 22
        Quote: 31231
        You are just like that Don Quixote.


        Clickable Image:
    10. Astral
      -6
      6 November 2013 10: 58
      Soon you will not be able to buy anything Russian. They will take away all the benefits for you and then you will win differently. You’ll shout here Russian s * ki. They don’t give us food. And you’ll lick the Western ass, which is washing in front of your eyes like a thorn and closes your gaze.
      In general, there is nothing to talk about and obsess each other. The West will have you in all holes and throw you away like a blotter. And he will begin with the army.
      And most importantly, I hope that, as Putin promised, he would not allow overflowing goods through your swamp to our market. So he will do. And you will be filled with underflowing goods and drown in it. Since your product is not competitive with the rest. He goes all to our market and you live only because the money comes to you from Russia mother.
      In then we'll see who will be the last to laugh.
      1. -3
        6 November 2013 11: 57
        A plate is written without a soft sign, and the word KOH is with L. Or do you have such jokes, write illiterate?
      2. +1
        6 November 2013 13: 50
        Dear, do not go to extremes. They want to go, let them go, and we don’t have to grin our teeth. We are still brothers for them, not just acquaintances.
      3. kaktus
        0
        6 November 2013 13: 55
        Learn to write correctly already! am "The spelling is good, but somehow it's lame" (Winnie the Pooh)
    11. 0
      6 November 2013 10: 59
      Quote: Akim
      Indusиyushu hut you Vladimir Vladimirovich!

      Firstly, Native American, and secondly, and you do not get sick.
    12. -3
      6 November 2013 13: 11
      Akim - please explain to me why the local forum users (I do not ask them precisely because it is biased) are led to such articles?
      1-Potmou that this is a trend (to drive the blizzard to Ukraine and so on)
      2-Soul hurts (the soul hurts and at the same time to drive it is somehow strange - although understandable)
      3-Because I want something to change (it’s clear nothing can change from words, but I don’t want to take away the wish)
      According to the article - And what about the prince? What did he write about gas in 1927?
      Or did the article connect so well with the 1927 article and the author’s contemporary charm?
      Or is it another kiddock of people of a certain category who is again looking for a point of separation of unity? Or how?
      Dokoli (stupid word but something came to mind) - will these articles appear?
    13. fastblast
      -1
      6 November 2013 13: 29
      I agree with you from A to Z!
      The agitation of the Kremlin comrades did their job and the people of Ukraine rallied even more, feeling themselves as one, from west to east and from north to south.

      Many comrades on this site complain about Ukrainian nationalism, insult patriots and throw mud at the state attributes of our country, not realizing that even a Russian person can be a patriot of Ukraine, and not just "Bendera-svidomit", as some deprived of the mind call names like themselves here.

      This article looks even more absurd against the background of recent articles about "Russian Marches" and about Russian nationalism in general. It cannot be denied that it is now at the forefront of everyone's attention.

      In fact, I really want our countries to be friends, cooperate and earn prosperity through joint work. But with so much dirt, it’s not just a union, even friendship can already be called into question.

      Regarding the unification, if it does, it will only be with Ukraine in the territorial form in which it now exists. Do not even think about the section; do not waste your time.
      1. +1
        6 November 2013 16: 37
        The agitation of the Kremlin comrades did their job and the people of Ukraine rallied even more,


        If my memory serves me in previous articles, you posted the video from YouTube, which is now posted here below rolik2. You called this movie healthy humor. Once again I ask, where is there to laugh?
      2. +2
        6 November 2013 17: 04
        Quote: Fastblast
        The agitation of the Kremlin comrades did their job and [[b] b] the people of Ukraine rallied even more [/ b], feeling themselves as one, from west to east and from north to south. [/ B]

        Bravo! Spectacular!
        But not true. request Not rallied, and does not feel.
        But what do the "Kremlin comrades" want, what are they campaigning for?
        True, they want to impose a dues on all Ukrainians, ruin them at the end, take everything out, and lard, and the cowboy to Moscow! wink
        But no, here I was beguiled, sorry. They are "sworn imperialists", on the contrary, do not let Ukrainian bacon (and sweets) into Moscow ... Or do they all want to "eat the truncated" themselves?
        It’s hard to understand what they want? request
        "In fact, I really want our countries to be friends, cooperate and earn prosperity by working together."
        Who doesn’t want this?
        Those who want to organize cooperation, created a TS, support each other in the international arena. Find ways.
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    14. +1
      6 November 2013 21: 39
      Already GOING, FULLY RUN ... GO AHEAD !!!! SO HOLD !!! !!!)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))) laughing wassat
  14. +4
    6 November 2013 09: 25
    Poor Ukraine, here it was healed by all sorts of idiots against the fraternal people, they are so independent from Russia and all such nationalists, and now in Europe they will be just silent roosters)))
    1. roller2
      -10
      6 November 2013 09: 42
      You would at least come up with something newer, otherwise your banal horror stories have already become boring.
      1. +2
        6 November 2013 09: 47
        Yes, we have not stocked up with popcorn and are waiting.
        1. +2
          6 November 2013 10: 40
          Quote: leon-iv
          Yes, we have not stocked up with popcorn and are waiting.

          I’m also going to buy scarce popcorn, and then something else was delivered, bread, water, otherwise there’s nothing to eat ... we can’t do without UKRAINIAN food! crying
          1. +1
            6 November 2013 11: 21
            we can’t do without UKRAINIAN food in any way!

            lol what?
            Well, if you say that, let's do it with numbers
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            2. +1
              6 November 2013 13: 13
              Quote: leon-iv
              lol what?
              Well, if you say that, let's do it with numbers

              with digits about what? that in most cases I see only Russian food on the shelves in Russia? or that we can’t live without Ukraine? what
      2. +9
        6 November 2013 10: 17
        Quote: rolik2
        You would at least come up with something newer, otherwise your banal horror stories have already become boring.

        Roller, and you what is it under the Israeli flag. Or shaw, it became so good in Ukraine that it could not stand it and rushed to Haifa laughing But the video is super good recalls the moan of a dying man who says he’s not sick and predicts death to a doctor who is trying to cure him belay
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      4. +1
        6 November 2013 11: 07
        Yes, I don’t want to die from starvation, but to the fact that you are not an autonomous power now, but after 20 years it’s not a fraternal people, even now you are no one. Okay, they’d call you there, but you don’t know who, ponte in front of the brothers, and respect the cocks))), God forbid that you would later have at least one Ukrainian diaspora stayed in the European Ukraine)))
      5. +4
        6 November 2013 12: 09
        hi It's boiling! What a goose, walking, "gogol" in a studio of unknown nationality, is broadcasting about the imminent collapse of Muscovy. Yes, a little more, and Vanya, all in spruys and coils, will go to Ukraine, which, under the canopy of the EU, has turned into an earthly paradise! in the kindergarten we are bred, "Vanya is byaka, Gritsko is great!" and vice versa, similar characters, laughing sarcastically, looking at how we are ready to go over each other's throats, tidy up our hands Our Common wealth, earned, with blood and sweat, of our grandfathers and fathers, playing off us as "suckers" in the market, in order to fuck what they say "gesheft".
    2. Astral
      0
      6 November 2013 11: 22
      And the emphasis on the word "roosters"
  15. shpuntik
    +8
    6 November 2013 09: 25
    Ukraine is the black spot of Europe. Sharovarny patriots will be indignant in my words, they say you can’t cast a shadow on the bright name of Ukraine. The name may be bright, but the country is in shit.

    On retirement, I would like to live in Crimea. Yes In such a small house on the seashore. I hope that in 15-20 years everything will be resolved, it will "settle down" in Ukraine.
    And also, so that our Ukrainian people would not fuss about politicians and consider themselves Slavs, one with the Russians, even in the Far East.
    Here is a healthy, Ukrainian man, reasonably says:

    1. +3
      6 November 2013 09: 35
      also would have retired in Crimea, well there
    2. Akim
      +3
      6 November 2013 09: 39
      Quote: shpuntik
      shpuntik

      Meanwhile, this Elderberry suggests that they return nuclear weapons so that we all are afraid.
      1. +5
        6 November 2013 09: 45
        Lol shto ktozh nenko nyuki will give that? Schaub they drove Zimbabwe? Well rjunimagu.
        And to return the debts of the USSR too?
      2. +1
        6 November 2013 10: 17
        Quote: Akim
        Meanwhile, this Elderberry offers nuclear weapons return

        But he does not say how to do it or the main thing to say?
        1. Akim
          +1
          6 November 2013 10: 22
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But he does not say how to do it or the main thing to say?

          Is he . How loshara will be cool to disassemble if he has a finca.
          1. 0
            6 November 2013 11: 01
            Quote: Akim
            How loshara will be cool to disassemble if he has a finca.

            And where does he not get the finca, or to whom finally it was said.
            1. Akim
              +1
              6 November 2013 11: 22
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And where does he not get the finca, or to whom finally it was said.

              No, complains that it was not necessary to give.
      3. shpuntik
        +1
        6 November 2013 19: 31
        Akim UA Today, 09: 39 ↑
        Meanwhile, this Elderberry suggests that they return nuclear weapons so that we all are afraid.

        Unfortunately, he studied little, only a couple of monologues. I will try to joke at leisure. Yes
        Kim, why not? Okay, Israel, there are solid chess players, but if Pakistan can work, India, China. Do you think China will talk for a long time about the application? Not those beliefs, not that mentality.
        Ukraine 50 pieces of medium range, and Belarus. Maybe even Iskanders with JBF are better. From the machinations of the Vatican Artificially we are divided, obviously. Here is an opinion:


        hi
    3. +3
      6 November 2013 11: 12
      He says everything about the case. Only the monarchy. It has nothing to do with slavery. The monarch is the face of the nation, the cement of the peoples. Personally, I completely agree with the person!
      1. Akim
        +1
        6 November 2013 11: 49
        Quote: shark
        The monarch is the face of the nation, the cement of the peoples. Personally, I completely agree with the person!

        DO MONARCHY! ALL AUTHORITY TO THE COUNCILS !!!
    4. 0
      6 November 2013 14: 05
      He seems to speak well, but one thing smiles. "Bogdan Khmelnitsky swore allegiance to the Russian tsar ...... Let the Russians get together and choose a new tsar instead of Putin." So this individual has a problem with Putin ?! And not in Yanyka, who is trying to swear allegiance to Putin ?!
      Lukashenko and Nazarbayev are satisfied with Putin, but you see Yanyk interferes with "dancing". The parents of the future Pan Yanyk did not care to see castration in their youth.

      That is, we can again draw a conclusion from Oles Buzina's speech. Blame "Klyati and their Putin". Truly, comrades, this is not new.

      P.S. And what do the letters USN on Olesya’s pocket mean?
      1. 0
        7 November 2013 02: 21
        31231

        Do not think it out. Buzina is a normal Russian person. I read it regularly in Segodnya. Gives a light to the Nazis and those in power.
    5. In the book
      -3
      7 November 2013 11: 17
      Quote: shpuntik
      Here is a healthy, Ukrainian man, reasonably says:

      Who! Elder? Do not tell me please.
      In your opinion, a "sound, Ukrainian person" is the one who says what is beneficial to you.
      If defends Russia, then a patriot.
      If defends Ukraine, then a nationalist, Nazi, Svidomo
      1. shpuntik
        +1
        7 November 2013 17: 28
        Libr SU Today, 11:17 ↑ New
        Who! Elder? Do not tell me please.
        In your opinion, a "sound, Ukrainian person" is the one who says what is beneficial to you.

        And he was not going to make laugh. Forgot to give an example.
        I had to joke about "svidomitu" ... What to do, such words are born, then there is soil.
        In our yellow-blue case, Svidomo is a Ukrainian who believes that the ancient Ukrainians built the Egyptian pyramids, taught the minds of the inhabitants of Atlantis and formed a world culture. They believe that the inhabitants of Kievan Rus spoke pure Ukrainian.

        Maybe he’s teaching something somewhere, someone is holding a candle there, their business. I agree with him in these 5 minutes. 40 sec. monologue. Especially with the phrase: about Marked and El, "who else will Russia be punished with?"
  16. +9
    6 November 2013 09: 38
    Meanwhile, in the independent

    And so yes, let them sip freedom with a full spoon. And then we still take our own.
    1. +5
      6 November 2013 10: 18
      leon-iv(5)
      Meanwhile, in the independent

      What looks like a madhouse, "fantasy", sample 1933 Germany. March "Zombies", among the Slavs there are such geeks.
    2. +1
      6 November 2013 11: 00
      Their mental abilities are the same as this kid.
  17. +3
    6 November 2013 09: 40
    Gleb Bobrov. "Age of the Dead". The author is a Little Russian. I strongly advise those who like to grovel about independence, ancient ukrov and "the homeland of elephants." So clearly and ruthlessly "Svidomo" has not yet been crucified in my memory.
    1. Akim
      0
      6 November 2013 09: 53
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      The author is a Little Russian. I strongly advise those who like to grovel about independence, ancient ukrov and "the homeland of elephants."

      Any print or television broadcast is subject to money only. Therefore, I advise you to make bonfires with this paper, etc. not read
      1. 0
        6 November 2013 11: 24
        It’s like some kind of Middle Ages: books in a bonfire! How do you, interestingly, learn to read with this approach? Or in Ukraine it became so bad with gas that they already burn books?)))
        Z.Y. While the author wrote his work for 3 years (electronic version. Is there a paper one, I don’t know), an extensive heart attack has begun. Those. it is tormented from the heart, I think so, and not scratched to order.
        1. Akim
          -1
          6 November 2013 11: 51
          Quote: Rattenfanger
          It’s like some kind of Middle Ages: books in a bonfire!

          Any political crap in a print publication deserves the same.
      2. Hudo
        +1
        6 November 2013 12: 00
        Quote: Akim
        Any print or television broadcast is subject to money only. Therefore, I advise you to make bonfires with this paper, etc. not read


        Have this "Cicero" been subtracted?
        1. Akim
          +2
          6 November 2013 12: 30
          Goebbels and Hitler "works" there.
          1. Hudo
            +2
            6 November 2013 12: 52
            Quote: Akim
            Goebbels and Hitler "works" there.


            The author of "The Age of the Dead", my fellow countryman Gleb Leonidovich Bobrov is a very worthy man, he served as a sniper in the 860th separate motorized rifle regiment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan (Faizabad, Badakhshan province).



            http://okopka.ru/b/bobrow_g_l/ You can be convinced of this by reading, for example, his works on the Afghan war from the collection "The Soldier's Saga".

            Do not be a sweeping bailer.
          2. 0
            6 November 2013 13: 11
            Quote: Akim
            Goebbels and Hitler "works" there.

            But what about Shukevich and Bandera, really, too, to the fire crying
            1. Akim
              +4
              6 November 2013 13: 29
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But what about Shukevich and Bandera, really, too, to the fire

              And them there too. Or does your limited consciousness equate patriotism with nationalism?
  18. 0
    6 November 2013 09: 41
    Quote: Valery Neon
    ++++. Oh Russians, Oh Ukrainians, AND BELARUSIANS ...

    Like the three heroes in the picture ...
    1. HAM
      +4
      6 November 2013 09: 48
      Yes, no. Swan, cancer and pike ..
  19. Peaceful military
    +7
    6 November 2013 09: 55
    In Ukraine, one brain is used to be Russian, and the other, which is responsible for the field of fantasy, to be Europeans.

    Someone, not stupid and not ordinary, said that patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels. It is perfectly suited for the madness that is going on in Little Russia. If the scoundrels bring the matter to an end, then this end will be terrible for the people. Here we are well aware of this, we have experienced such a thing that you won’t wish the enemies either. But to us, unlike the Little Russians, it was much easier. We were caught in a stream of long-standing construction of a sanitary cordon from Russia, for which we had carte blanche in the form of membership in the EU and Schengen, thanks to which, before the crisis, all who wanted to flee west, so much so that before 2008 there was a wild shortage of workers strength. All this served as the wild success of the titular economy, no matter how fool The people just ran away ...
    BUT!
    Little Russians such luck does not shine. Everything is different there than ours, otherwise they would have dragged us into the sanitary cordon and Little Russia.
    By the way, recently, one of the titulars organized a poll among the titulars to compare life in the ESSR and now ... The results were dumbfounded, the vast majority said it was better ... We all rely on rhetoric about Russia as the worst enemy -A man-eater who wants to gobble up all the titular ones (and not only) and only thanks to NATO and the EU this does not happen. Yes, terrible Russophobia in relation to the local is not the title (they do not care that you can be not Russian).
    1. Akim
      -3
      6 November 2013 10: 03
      Quote: Peaceful military
      But to us, unlike the Little Russians, it was much easier

      Hi CHUCHONTSAMS! Do you like it? I don’t think so.
      1. moskal68
        +1
        6 November 2013 10: 06
        Are the Chukhites not Finns?
        1. Akim
          +1
          6 November 2013 10: 10
          Quote: 68
          Are the Chukhites not Finns?

          Ancestors of Estonians - Finnish-speaking tribes appeared on the territory of Estonia.
          1. moskal68
            +2
            6 November 2013 10: 31
            Well. But TO US, THEY ARE SIDE?
      2. Peaceful military
        +3
        6 November 2013 10: 22
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Peaceful military
        But to us, unlike the Little Russians, it was much easier

        Hi CHUCHONTSAMS! Do you like it? I don’t think so.

        I don’t care, I’m not a Chukhite (I’m not the title one). A bunch in a puddle, Kim wassat
        1. Akim
          +3
          6 November 2013 10: 35
          Quote: Peaceful military
          I don’t care, I’m not a Chukhite (I’m not the title one).

          And I am not Ukrainian, but this is my country and I do not rank myself in the fifth column.
          1. +1
            6 November 2013 11: 04
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Peaceful military
            I don’t care, I’m not a Chukhite (I’m not the title one).

            And I am not Ukrainian, but this is my country and I do not rank myself in the fifth column.

            Akim here surprised me when reading komenty I thought you were Ukrainian. I look from your side there are very few opponents who are probably already tired and think that they have probably already signed this association so that the negative wave in the media would have subsided.
            1. Akim
              +4
              6 November 2013 11: 27
              Quote: Semurg
              I look from your side very few opponents left probably already tired

              Yes, and I'm tired. I just wanted to redirect the link to the forum, but then it started!
          2. Peaceful military
            +4
            6 November 2013 11: 05
            And I am not Ukrainian, but this is my country and I do not rank myself in the fifth column.

            I sympathize ... for our country with you, it is a thousand-year-old Russia, parts of which were both the Estland province and Little Russia.
            1. Akim
              +6
              6 November 2013 11: 25
              Quote: Peaceful military
              I sympathize ... for our country with you,

              My Motherland is the USSR! Where were the Ukrainian SSR and ESSR. I do not consider them provinces.
              1. Peaceful military
                +4
                6 November 2013 11: 32
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: Peaceful military
                I sympathize ... for our country with you,

                My Motherland is the USSR! Where were the Ukrainian SSR and ESSR. I do not consider them provinces.

                And my homeland is Russia / USSR. Therefore, I do not understand the so-called Ukrainian patriotism against Russia, which you profess.
                Little Russia was not a province, but Estonia was and, I hope, will be.
                1. Akim
                  +1
                  6 November 2013 12: 32
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  Ukrainian patriotism against Russia, which you profess.

                  Not against Russia - but as you do not understand, but for Ukraine.
                  1. Peaceful military
                    -1
                    6 November 2013 13: 08
                    Quote: Akim
                    Quote: Peaceful military
                    Ukrainian patriotism against Russia, which you profess.

                    Not against Russia - but as you do not understand, but for Ukraine.

                    For which Ukraine? That's it.
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      6 November 2013 13: 31
                      Quote: Peaceful military
                      For which Ukraine? That's it.

                      For the state. In general, for the socialist, ideally. But for now for this.
                2. In the book
                  0
                  7 November 2013 11: 23
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  Therefore, I do not understand the so-called Ukrainian patriotism against Russia

                  I will support Akim.
                  True patriotism cannot be against anyone. Rather, maybe, but only against the invader. The Russian people (namely the people) do not think so.
                  And fake patriotism is Nazism.
          3. 0
            6 November 2013 11: 49
            Quote: Akim
            And I'm not Ukrainian

            Dear, are you an African?
            Quote: Akim
            but this is my country
            the country was together with the Russian Federation. and so it is on the "backs" of the geyropes! hi and you say you are in the frames officerrrr laughing
            1. Akim
              +2
              6 November 2013 12: 33
              Quote: Far East
              the country was together with the Russian Federation

              Was not. Was with the RSFSR.
    2. Astral
      -1
      6 November 2013 11: 39
      Just Ukrainians want to be like the title ones. Your title cries that the Russian Bear wants to capture you, money from the west and the United States dribbled. Here Ukraine is willing to lack. But Germany for a long time is not enough to pull all the freeloaders.
      The United States is now plunging into its abyss and its problems. Europe alone will not be able to pull all the groomers and then the bubble of unity, happiness and lack of love will burst.
      The main thing is to have time to build the breakers. To fight off all the waves of "hospitable" to Russia. The main thing is not to be overwhelmed. Ani then let them cook themselves in their swamp. And ours stand with an oar and push the nailed ones.
      1. Peaceful military
        +4
        6 November 2013 11: 59
        Quote: Astral
        Just Ukrainians want to be like the title ones. Your title cries that the Russian Bear wants to capture you, money from the west and the United States dribbled. Here Ukraine is willing to lack. But Germany for a long time is not enough to pull all the freeloaders.
        The United States is now plunging into its abyss and its problems. Europe alone will not be able to pull all the groomers and then the bubble of unity, happiness and lack of love will burst.
        The main thing is to have time to build the breakers. To fight off all the waves of "hospitable" to Russia. The main thing is not to be overwhelmed. Ani then let them cook themselves in their swamp. And ours stand with an oar and push the nailed ones.

        I wrote about this just above. What has broken off our title, in this case will not even ride close.
        I will add that our titular people believed in their exclusivity when, according to the Ost plan, they were declared a people close to the German people and not subject to either destruction or Germanization. Before that, they were quite calm in relation to the Russians and, when the economy finally collapsed, they asked to be part of Russia / USSR. After all, there was neither annexation, nor, moreover, occupation, but there were elections, as a result of which representatives of the Labor Party won an absolute majority in parliament. And then, by an almost unanimous decision of the Parliament, an appeal was made to the USSR with a request for acceptance.
        But, after the war, the Estonians, in their active part, were completely different and not at all because of some kind of repression, but precisely because they became the nation closest to the German one. Everything ... they have become exceptional, not like the subhuman Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians. They don't even consider the Finns as people, calling them moose. True, "moose" for some reason live much better and do not suffer from Russophobia.
        So with ukr_ami, they were led precisely to the same canoe that they are better, especially Russian and in general they are of different blood. To us from here, no matter how it is clear to anyone.
    3. +2
      6 November 2013 13: 17
      hi This phrase is attributed to Dostoevsky, pedaling to the fact that "patriots" are initially "scoundrels", although in my opinion, the last thing that a scoundrel has is to resort to patriotism as a lifeline, probably this great wanted to say, and not what his interpreters ...
    4. +3
      6 November 2013 14: 21
      My uncle has a second wife, ethnic Lithuanian. In the early 90s, she sang how beautifully they live in Lithuania. Her relatives came to us in the Urals.
      Today, she and her daughter gloomily state that life in Lithuania has become poorer. And relatives have not been to her for 10 years.
  20. moskal68
    +2
    6 November 2013 10: 03
    About "patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels". In fact, Samuel Johnson said - Patriotism is the last refuge of a villain. And so the phrase sounds completely different.
  21. +5
    6 November 2013 10: 03
    Quote: Akim
    Indian hut for you Vladimir Vladimirovich!

    Well minusers go ahead!

    In India, Indians live mainly in cardboard huts and, in part, in palaces.
    Those huts that you had in mind are built on US reservations by Indians. Believe me - this is not the same thing lol
    1. Akim
      +1
      6 November 2013 10: 11
      Quote: nikcris
      Believe me - this is not the same thing

      Was described hi I’m sorry.
  22. +7
    6 November 2013 10: 08
    recently returned from Lugansk. by the nature of his occupations, he often visited Ukraine before. now the truth is less common. but without any policy, just the look of the average man. after the checkpoint on the border, the impression is that the roads end. the ugly road surface is especially evident in comparison with the Rostov highways. I communicate with friends and acquaintances in Lugansk groan everywhere. salary delays already reach where the month. where are two. plants for three days. benefits. vacation pay does not pay. with sick leave is also a problem. everyone is waiting and the communal will be raised. people really live poorly. we in Volgograd also yell that everything is bad. no roads. steal. I advise such figures to visit Ukraine and simply compare the situation. I can’t say for the whole country. but in Donetsk the situation is the same. I’ve been there more than once.
    1. HAM
      +2
      6 November 2013 10: 22
      And we also had Borya ...
    2. +1
      6 November 2013 10: 24
      Donetsk has good roads. Made-patched to the Euro. Although I suspect that it has already become worse.
      1. Akim
        0
        6 November 2013 10: 36
        Quote: Aeneas
        . Although I suspect that it has already become worse.

        Normal, I called there yesterday.
      2. +2
        6 November 2013 11: 10
        Quote: Aeneas
        Donetsk has good roads. Made-patched to the Euro. Although I suspect that it has already become worse.

        % 40 of the roads really made (repaired), some routes paved again.
        But the rest is 60% negative
      3. 0
        7 November 2013 14: 47
        "there are good roads in Donetsk"

        Donetsk is more broken off "by acquaintance", and the Euro was torn off from the regions, and they were given it. Although these euro roads have already been washed away in places, as have heaps of shit left by the "white people".
    3. +7
      6 November 2013 10: 53
      but this is the best option. no need to wring your hands, groan about the "great empire", and dream of "conquering the Crimea." the idea of ​​Ukrainianness will dissipate by itself along with the rumbling of empty stomachs. you need to do a very simple, but at the same time difficult thing - to stop feeding (no matter how corny it may sound). When I hear or read here on this thread phrases like "yes Ukraine has not collapsed for 23 years and will not fall apart - do not dream !!!!" I would like to argue - that all these years Ukraine has not collapsed for one reason - NOBODY WANTED IN RUSSIA TO BREAK UP IT. There were illusions in the Kremlin that it was possible to "integrate" all at once, therefore, they did not seriously strangle them. It's a pity, it's a pity for the wasted time and resources - think if before 3-4 years they started building the same joint venture and UP ...
      1. 0
        6 November 2013 14: 51
        And Russia didn’t have much choice, for it was tied to agreements with Europe on the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Now, when the South Stream reaches its full capacity, then Ukraine will have a hard time blowing.
  23. +7
    6 November 2013 10: 08
    "And I remember the Power!
    The Poles and Teutons were scared ...
    And every "psya krev" trembled
    Seeing our squadrons! "(C)
    1. moskal68
      +2
      6 November 2013 10: 11
      Sense of nostalgia for the fact that we safely prosrali?
  24. 128mgb
    +7
    6 November 2013 10: 18
    Quote: Akim
    Any print or television is subject to money only.

    Yes Akim you are right. One has only to watch the news 1 + 1, inter, nevs one, tbi, or go to the "details". And you immediately understand how much money our sworn "friends" allocate for the separation of Ukraine from Russia.
    1. Akim
      0
      6 November 2013 10: 27
      Quote: 128mgb
      One has only to watch the news 1 + 1, inter, nevs one, tbi, or go to the "details". And you immediately understand how much money our sworn "friends" allocate for the separation of Ukraine from Russia.

      And you do not look. Just take life examples. What good has Russia done in politics regarding Ukraine for all these years after the untimely death of the USSR?
      1. +5
        6 November 2013 10: 47
        Quote: Akim
        What good has Russia done in politics regarding Ukraine for all these years after the untimely death of the USSR?

        Economic nuances are not taken into account? Gas, work?
        For example, I still wonder why so far the Russian Federation has not expelled all citizens of Moldova beyond its borders, except of course officially employed?
        More than a billion dollars annually only by transfers from Russia are citizens of Moldova. For whom they live, teach their children, buy apartments, support consumer demand in the country's market.
        Rake them all out! And not because of bad Moldovans. And not because the bad Russians. But because, having returned home, they would have quickly put things in order. And they did not scream at the squares about European integration.
        I won’t remember the consequences of the embargo on the supply of, say, Moldovan wine to Moldova ...

        1. Akim
          0
          6 November 2013 11: 03
          Quote: Flood
          Economic nuances are not taken into account? Gas, work?

          Economic does not count. In addition, the fairy tale about cheap gas is a half-tip. As for the Gaster, you understand. It would not be profitable to keep Moldovan tilers or Ukrainian putty workers in Moscow - they would have been dispersed long ago. And there is no brotherly love in this.
          1. +5
            6 November 2013 11: 17
            economic do not count you speak? Well, yes, well, yes ... cheap gas - half a hint ...
            the semi-fairy tale ended in 2009, immediately the problems started for Nenko ... they forbade Roshen chocolates, plus wagons, pipes, plus cars - immediately people began to be thrown out of factories onto the street. Ask yourself - admission to the Russian market for all these 20 years - is that in fact, is it not the charity (excuse me for the pathos) of the Kremlin ????
            PySy - by the way I will add - at all times and in all countries, the basis of all shocks has ALWAYS been the ECONOMY. leaf through the textbook ...
            1. Akim
              +3
              6 November 2013 11: 55
              Quote: katran666
              Ask yourself - admission to the Russian market for all these 20 years - is that in fact, is it not the charity (excuse me for the pathos) of the Kremlin ????

              Well, naturally. You there suggested that they ate "our sausage" only because of politics. The poor gagged, but they ate to make Ukraine happy. Nonsense. Normal economy.
            2. +1
              6 November 2013 14: 25
              By the way, in Ukraine our AvtoVAZ. straight captivated. billboards are hanging. who opened the market for buckets with bolts?
              1. +2
                6 November 2013 17: 07
                Quote: Oberst_71
                our AvtoVAZ. straight flooded

                Not AvtoVAZ, but Renault Nissan, outdated brother ...
            3. +1
              6 November 2013 15: 00
              half-tale in 2009 ended


              Well, it has not ended yet, because the payment for gas transit through Ukraine is higher than the European average.
          2. +2
            6 November 2013 11: 21
            Quote: Akim
            In addition, a fairy tale about cheap gas - a half-tale

            It depends. Residents of Moldova in their own skin very well feel the price increase. Of course, taking place is directly dependent on the cooling of political relations.
            Quote: Akim
            As for Gaster, you understand. It would not be profitable to keep Moldovan tilers or Ukrainian putty workers in Moscow - they would have been dispersed a long time ago

            Well, you yourself are falling into the economy. But I consider this exclusively as a political project. Behind which is true brotherly love.
            Sorry, Akim, but you do not want to see a little further than what was written. I know for sure why, for example, the Moldovan economy is alive. And I see how the Moldovan authorities saw the branch on which the country sits (not they themselves, of course. They then sucked on European grants). And therefore, I am distressed by such statements: what has this Russia done for us?
          3. +1
            6 November 2013 14: 58
            In addition, the fairy tale about cheap gas is a half-tip. As for the Gaster, you understand. It would not be profitable to keep Moldovan tilers or Ukrainian putty workers in Moscow - they would have been dispersed long ago. And there is no brotherly love in this.


            Especially for you I keep a reference about the "expensive" gas. http://voprosik.net/ukraina-i-gaz-podrobno/

            Speak Ukrainian puttyers?
            And do you know that in our gas North the second most numerous representatives of Ukraine after the Russians? Yes, some of them already have Russian citizenship, but many still live in Ukraine.
            1. +1
              6 November 2013 23: 35
              Quote: 31231
              in our gas North, the second largest representatives of Ukraine after the Russians? Yes, some of them already have Russian citizenship, but many still live in Ukraine.

              Well, what's the problem? Send representatives of the treacherous nation to their historical homeland and recruit representatives of the titular nation in their place. It's just business. And the dog with them ...
              1. In the book
                0
                7 November 2013 11: 28
                Quote: revnagan
                Send representatives of the treacherous nation to their historical homeland and recruit representatives of the titular nation in their place


                Send, why have not "representatives of the treacherous nation" been expelled yet?
                The flag is in your hands. smile
      2. +7
        6 November 2013 11: 00
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: 128mgb
        One has only to watch the news 1 + 1, inter, nevs one, tbi, or go to the "details". And you immediately understand how much money our sworn "friends" allocate for the separation of Ukraine from Russia.

        And you do not look. Just take life examples. What good has Russia done in politics regarding Ukraine for all these years after the untimely death of the USSR?
        How did this nagging of Ukrainians get that Russia did good for Ukraine? And what did you do good for yourself? Not even that. What have you done? Nothing, and Russia is to blame for the fact that you don’t do anything at all. crying. Everyone is to blame.
        1. Akim
          0
          6 November 2013 11: 29
          Quote: ele1285
          How did this nagging of Ukrainians get that Russia did good for Ukraine?

          Do not cross-check the question What good has Russia done in relation to Ukraine in politics?
          1. +5
            6 November 2013 11: 37
            Quote: Akim
            Do not cross-check the question. What good has Russia done in relation to Ukraine in politics?

            Do you want to "lay carpets at your feet"?
            In the best case, you can count on us to "substitute a shoulder" if you fall ... there is no one else request
            And Ukraine knows this, brazenly and shamelessly uses it.
            1. Akim
              -1
              6 November 2013 12: 35
              Quote: Corsair
              Do you want to "lay carpets at your feet"?

              Do not. Just leave her alone.
            2. +2
              6 November 2013 18: 21
              Thank you, Corsair. Respect.
          2. +2
            6 November 2013 15: 02
            What about Ukraine in relation to Russia? Endless nagging, what is Moscow to blame for?
            Well, Belarusians and Kazakhs do not whine. They live in one union with us.
          3. +3
            6 November 2013 18: 18
            Why should Russia do something for Ukraine? At least in politics, at least in everyday life? Ukraine wanted independence? Eat by handfuls. Ukraine was left with equipment, the formation of the USSR, territory and, most importantly, people. You flush everything down the toilet. And forever whine, you all have to. Just your opinion, this is the opinion of "HITCHING".
      3. Peaceful military
        +5
        6 November 2013 11: 14
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: 128mgb
        One has only to watch the news 1 + 1, inter, nevs one, tbi, or go to the "details". And you immediately understand how much money our sworn "friends" allocate for the separation of Ukraine from Russia.

        And you do not look. Just take life examples. What good has Russia done in politics regarding Ukraine for all these years after the untimely death of the USSR?

        And what did Ukraine do good? And who raised the wave of Russophobia in Ukraine, back in "perestroika", really Russia? And who supports this Russophobia at the level of state policy in Ukraine? Russia too? fool
        Not the initiator of Russia. What ukr_y sowed, then they reap ...
        1. Akim
          -4
          6 November 2013 11: 58
          Quote: Peaceful military
          And what did Ukraine do good?

          Nothing. Only she did not do bad.
          1. Hudo
            +2
            6 November 2013 12: 08
            Quote: Akim
            Nothing. Only she did not do bad.


            Lying is bad! The mere creation of the image of the enemy in the person of Russia is worth what. But what about the feeding of the natsyuk-Banderasts and the Crimean jihadists by the ukroguailers? On whose head?
            1. Akim
              0
              6 November 2013 13: 12
              Quote: Hudo
              The mere creation of the image of the enemy in the person of Russia is worth what.

              Well, yes, and this is all of Ukraine at the official level. And there are enough jihadists in Russia. The sad events in Volgograd are an example of this.
              1. Hudo
                +1
                6 November 2013 13: 21
                Quote: Akim
                Well, yes, and this is all of Ukraine at the official level.


                Exactly there! Ukraine at the official level is a criminal organization.

                Quote: Akim
                And there are enough jihadists in Russia.


                Duc that it’s impossible for ukrogaulyarams to do this without the jihadists not to lick their tattered jackets in the Crimea and to train new jackals in Belogorsky district.
          2. Peaceful military
            +3
            6 November 2013 12: 08
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Peaceful military
            And what did Ukraine do good?

            Nothing. Only she did not do bad.

            Inflating Russophobia and turning it into the rank of state policy - is this nothing bad?
            And since Ukraine did nothing good, then where are the demands on Russia?
            1. Akim
              -1
              6 November 2013 13: 13
              Quote: Peaceful military
              and turning it into the rank of state policy is nothing wrong?

              What kind? Famine?
              1. Peaceful military
                +1
                6 November 2013 13: 56
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: Peaceful military
                and turning it into the rank of state policy is nothing wrong?

                What kind? Famine?

                If you are about my question to you
                And since Ukraine did nothing good, then where are the demands on Russia?
                So I turned it to you personally ... What do you want from Russia, since you yourself admit that Ukraine did nothing good?
                As for the "Holodomor", it is part of the Russophobic abomination of the Ukrainian people. But you seem to be from the categories: ukr_ee ukr_ov, which means that at least you are in the eye, everything is holy dew. hi
                1. general
                  -7
                  6 November 2013 17: 06
                  We fix another Russian species! "Peaceful military" as it is your nothing Russian-Svidomo?
                  1. Peaceful military
                    +1
                    6 November 2013 18: 29
                    Quote: chung
                    We fix another Russian species! "Peaceful military" as it is your nothing Russian-Svidomo?

                    What language do you speak? fool So I do not understand ...
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                    2. -gnuhc-
                      +1
                      14 November 2013 18: 02
                      "..russophobic abomination of ukr_ov. But you seem to be from the categories: ukr_ee ukr_ov, which means that at least you are in the eye ..." Keyboard neuralgia or forum diarrhea?
      4. +14
        6 November 2013 11: 16
        Quote: Akim
        What good has Russia done in politics regarding Ukraine for all these years after the untimely death of the USSR?

        And nothing that Russia has paid ALL the debts of the USSR? What if it were distributed equally among all "independent" states? And nothing that the gas was 50 bucks, but .... they wanted to take denyuzhkoy for transit, and more, so we have a headache today! Yes, there is a lot more to write. It's just that all the good things that Russia did are perceived by Ukraine for granted, and if they raise the demand for debts, they immediately claim!
        Quote: Akim
        And you do not look.

        Watch really sickening! But you need to be able to present the bill to the "authorities" later! You were not ashamed to watch yesterday's interview with General Vatutin's daughter at his grave? Where does she say with pain that she will be forced to ask to move his grave to Russia? And a Ukrainian "historian" stands nearby and insists that Vatutin killed millions in the battles for Kiev, that the soldiers went with one rifle for three, Ukrainians were simply made "cannon fodder" and other abominations. But today is the day of liberation of Kiev from the Nazis !!! But we don't celebrate it very much. And it is very "inconvenient" that Vatutin was mortally wounded by the Bandera, and their last ones repeatedly tried to heat up their slogans on his grave and monument!
        I still get Ukraine at the most I can for the attitude to the veterans and the fallen! And the association will not be signed! Europe has already seen enough of our geniuses, now does not know how to politely get off!
        1. Akim
          0
          6 November 2013 12: 02
          Quote: Egoza
          But nothing that Russia paid ALL the debts of the USSR?

          Lena, but Russia received all the assets of the USSR. I agree that only Russia could pay. But just say everything, not one-sided. And if we would have shared everything honestly, it would have been nice if the USSR Diamond and Gold and Currency Funds were shredded.
          1. Hudo
            +4
            6 November 2013 12: 10
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Egoza
            But nothing that Russia paid ALL the debts of the USSR?

            Lena, but Russia received all the assets of the USSR. I agree that only Russia could pay. But just say everything, not one-sided. And if we would have shared everything honestly, it would have been nice if the USSR Diamond and Gold and Currency Funds were shredded.


            What else is this for? It would be mediocre to shit like what got.
          2. +4
            6 November 2013 12: 13
            Quote: Akim
            And if we would have shared everything honestly, it would have been nice if the USSR Diamond and Gold and Currency Funds were shredded.

            What would the Ukrainian authorities do with them? ...
            P * os * ala would be like everything that came from the Union!
            You can reproach for bias, demagoguery for anything else, but I am not the only one who knows WHAT "fell to Ukraine, in what condition and in what quantities and sizes."
            WHAT in the end, you did it.Horror and shame!
            1. +5
              6 November 2013 14: 02
              Sorry, Pirate), but what did Russia do with them ??? Not the same??? Look for no, what went to Russia, and what happened to it at EBN.
              I believe that it’s enough to blame each other for everything serious, there are politicians for this, don’t follow their lead.
            2. 0
              6 November 2013 15: 07
              Are you talking about flying strategists or something else?
              1. 0
                7 November 2013 09: 59
                Quote: 31231
                Are you talking about flying strategists or something else?

                Missile carriers are "small things" in comparison with the inherited and "profane" economic potential.
                Conducting a balanced and reasonable policy and enlisting the support of Russia, Ukraine could generally live without an army ...
                But without an economy, as current facts show, it’s NO.
          3. Peaceful military
            +3
            6 November 2013 12: 15
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Egoza
            But nothing that Russia paid ALL the debts of the USSR?

            Lena, but Russia received all the assets of the USSR. I agree that only Russia could pay. But just say everything, not one-sided. And if we would have shared everything honestly, it would have been nice if the USSR Diamond and Gold and Currency Funds were shredded.

            You are clearly not aware of the obvious. Thanks to "perestroika" at the time of the collapse of the USSR, there were NO GOLD-EXCHANGE funds. ONE LONG.
            But I don’t know about diamond at all and therefore I think that it is not significant at all.
        2. 0
          6 November 2013 13: 37
          Quote: Egoza
          But nothing that Russia paid ALL the debts of the USSR?

          But what was the situation with all the foreign assets of the USSR? No, of course I understand, ordinary shish yes kumysh, but still?
        3. In the book
          -1
          7 November 2013 11: 35
          Quote: Egoza
          Vatutin killed millions in the battles for Kiev, that the fighters went with one rifle for three, Ukrainians were simply made "cannon fodder" and other abominations

          What's wrong with that? 600 people for the release by the "red" date for Comrade Stalin? How can Suvorov not remember that one must fight not by numbers, but by skill?
          And about how the boys went into battle in bricks, so it's true. In October, 43 years, the town was liberated on the left bank of the Dnieper, followed by a field military registration and enlistment office and took the boys to active troops. All would be fine, only two days later they were thrown without weapons into the three-echelon trenches of the Germans, where 90% died.
          Is this not a crime against his people?
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      5. +4
        6 November 2013 11: 34
        Dear Akim, what in your opinion should Russia do (do) with respect to Ukraine? believe me, I don’t jerk your opinion is really interesting to me.
        1. Akim
          0
          6 November 2013 12: 40
          Quote: flint1309
          Dear Akim, and what do you think Russia should have done (done) in relation to Ukraine

          Nothing special. Finally, demarcate the borders. Do not hand out Russian passports (similar claims against Romanians), do not arrange minor provocations. Direct the information policy towards territorial integrity. For example, I have not heard that (when there was a problem) Chechnya is a sovereign territory. We do not allow this in large media.
          1. +4
            6 November 2013 12: 45
            Quote: Akim
            Do not give out Russian passports

            And this is with a fright? Why should Russia change its laws to please Ukraine?

            Quote: Akim
            do not make small provocations

            For example, do not demand to pay debts?


            Quote: Akim
            Direct the information policy towards territorial integrity.

            Russian? And we do so.
            1. Akim
              0
              6 November 2013 13: 37
              Quote: Spade
              Why should Russia change its laws to please Ukraine?

              Ukraine does not have dual citizenship and Russia does not have an agreement with Kiev. So this is a violation of the law. As for debts, this is not a petty provocation; they must be given back. All is fair. Territorial integrity must be recognized not only officially, but also in the minds of the public. More than 20 years have passed.
              1. +5
                6 November 2013 13: 52
                Quote: Akim
                There is no dual citizenship in Ukraine

                But Russia has.

                Quote: Akim
                and Russia has no agreement with Kiev.

                It does not matter for Russian laws. If there is no agreement, this just means that the state considers a person with double Russian-Ukrainian as exclusively a citizen of Russia. And that’s it. No violation of Russian laws.

                Quote: Akim
                Territorial integrity must be recognized not only officially, but also in the minds of the public.

                Do you require the Russian state to control the thoughts of its citizens? This is even more exhaustive than the requirement to amend Russian laws.
            2. In the book
              -2
              7 November 2013 11: 38
              Quote: Spade
              And this is with a fright? Why should Russia change its laws to please Ukraine?

              regarding the distribution of Russian passports in Ukraine:
              But do not you think that this is a direct interference in the activities of a sovereign power? Or will the GDP not calm down in the Kremlin? He says one thing and does another?
              1. 0
                7 November 2013 11: 49
                Quote: Libr
                But do not you think that this is a direct interference in the activities of a sovereign power?

                Not. A country approving its budget in New York is not sovereign. And the EU’s requirements for Ukraine clearly show that not only the Kremlin, but also Europe does not consider your country sovereign.
                1. In the book
                  -1
                  7 November 2013 12: 45
                  Quote: Spade
                  A country approving its budget in New York is not sovereign


                  These phrases from your lips and lips like you do a lot for the friendship of two peoples.
                  1. -1
                    7 November 2013 14: 13
                    It's true, if you do not twist. The budget of Ukraine is approved in New York.

                    Well, about the "friendship of peoples" - you remember about it only when you need something from Russia. Why don't we do the same?
                    When Ukrainian nationalists killed the Russian military in Chechnya (including ethnic Ukrainians) and then wrote about it in their memoirs, no one remembered something about the "friendship of peoples".
                    1. In the book
                      0
                      7 November 2013 14: 42
                      Quote: Spade
                      The budget of Ukraine claim in New York

                      I do not think it is right to argue with you; Putin TV will help you.

                      Quote: Spade
                      Well, about the "friendship of peoples" - you remember about it only when you need something from Russia.

                      God forbid, I don’t need anything from you and your country. Live healthy and rich. Good luck!

                      Quote: Spade
                      When Ukrainian nationalists killed the Russian military in Chechnya (including ethnic Ukrainians)

                      There are geeks in any country. I think that your fellow tribesmen fought on the side of the militants against their own.
                      1. 0
                        7 November 2013 15: 07
                        Quote: Libr
                        God forbid, I don’t need anything from you and your country.

                        You in the person of your state from Russia need a lot - cheap oil and gas, customs privileges, a sales market, Russia wants only one thing in return - loyalty, but you cannot provide this either.
                      2. In the book
                        0
                        7 November 2013 16: 31
                        For you, SetracI repeat again:

                        God forbid, I don’t need anything from you and your country. Live healthy and rich. Good luck!

                        And add:
                        I will only be glad when my neighbors, residents of the Russian Federation, live happily, richly. I wish you all success.
                      3. -1
                        7 November 2013 17: 11
                        Quote: Libr
                        God forbid, I don’t need anything from you and your country.

                        You lie, your state needs it, and you are part of it.
          2. Peaceful military
            +1
            6 November 2013 13: 14
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: flint1309
            Dear Akim, and what do you think Russia should have done (done) in relation to Ukraine

            Nothing special. Finally, demarcate the borders. Do not hand out Russian passports (similar claims against Romanians), do not arrange minor provocations. Direct the information policy towards territorial integrity. For example, I have not heard that (when there was a problem) Chechnya is a sovereign territory. We do not allow this in large media.

            That is, like Israel, to isolate itself from the Ukrainian wall, forgetting about the last thousand years ...?
            Here we have a couple of non-title ones screaming against Russia and against us louder and fiercer than the title ones themselves. You remind me of them. Sorry, but I thought you were smarter. hi
          3. +1
            7 November 2013 15: 05
            "Do not give out Russian passports"

            And where does it give them away? I would take it. As far as I know, this is VERY difficult or expensive.
      6. HAM
        +4
        6 November 2013 12: 27
        Again the same song. Why Russia SHOULD do in relation to Ukraine.
  25. +4
    6 November 2013 10: 22
    Of course, the author has a perverted idea of ​​patriotism in general, and Ukrainian in particular.
    1. Hudo
      -3
      6 November 2013 12: 14
      Quote: Aeneas
      Of course, the author has a perverted idea of ​​patriotism in general, and Ukrainian in particular.


      Ucropatriotism is a disease, the most severe disorder of the mind burdened by verbal diarrhea in the form of paranoid Svidomo delirium.
    2. -3
      6 November 2013 14: 29
      Very suitable words from Brother

      In vain you are so, I love the Motherland.
      - Ahh, a patriot! Russian idea, Dostoevsky, power ... And where is your Motherland, son ?! Gorbachev surrendered your homeland to the Americans to hang out beautifully. And now your Motherland has two wars and Crimea has failed! I handed over the Russian people in the Baltic states, I handed over the Serbs in the Balkans, ... Homeland ... Today, the Motherland is where the ass is warm, and you know it better than me. He came for that.
      1. 0
        7 November 2013 08: 55
        Quote: Oberst_71
        Very suitable words from Brother
        In an outdated historical context ...
      2. 0
        7 November 2013 14: 12
        Quote: Oberst_71
        Gorbachev surrendered your homeland to the Americans to hang out beautifully.

        Well, where is Gorbachev now, and where is the homeland?
        Quote: Oberst_71
        Today the Motherland is where the ass is warm and you know it better than me

        Those who think so have long since left for warm countries; those who do not think so have remained.
        Quote: Oberst_71
        surrendered in the Balkans

        And also the New Guinea Papuans Russia also passed.
  26. moskal68
    +6
    6 November 2013 10: 33
    Why is Russian patriotism good, and Ukrainian necessarily bad? Is there great-power chauvinism here?
    1. Peaceful military
      +2
      6 November 2013 11: 27
      Quote: 68
      Why is Russian patriotism good, and Ukrainian necessarily bad? Is there great-power chauvinism here?

      Dear Sergey!
      The so-called Ukrainian patriotism is based on Russophobia and a certain self of the ancient and proud Ukrainian. Little Russia is an integral part of Russia-Russia, like Belarus, like Siberia, like Estonia. That's what real patriotism is.
      It is quite natural for the Little Russia to love his, as they said, his small homeland, how to naturally love his parents, family, village, or city, etc.
      1. moskal68
        +4
        6 November 2013 11: 42
        I spoke about patriotism, and not about chauvinism with Nazism. If, for example, to listen to our ancestors, they will look just like their Ukrainian colleagues.
        1. Peaceful military
          -1
          6 November 2013 12: 26
          Quote: 68
          I spoke about patriotism, and not about chauvinism with Nazism. If, for example, to listen to our ancestors, they will look just like their Ukrainian colleagues.

          Reread your question and my answer, if it does not help, then ... hi
      2. +4
        6 November 2013 13: 10
        You do not own the question. I am a patriot of my country, which was formed during the collapse of the USSR. But I'm not a Russophobe. I am a supporter of the unification of the RUSSIAN people, but there is a nuance. Ukraine is not a part of Russia, but a part of Russia. Russia + Ukraine + Belarus = Rus and nothing else. Are you with all your friends (relatives, acquaintances) conducting a dialogue from the position - "I am richer and stronger, so everything will be my way"? If so, how many people do you manage to maintain normal relations with? As an example, I will give Old Man ... now a person WANTS friendship and alliance, but at your top and there constantly some jambs pop up. Stop thinking in templates, because the statements of the MOST of the population of this site almost one to one repeat the statements of Ukrainian nationalists, only with a different vector. Those. there is NO difference between a Russian nationalist and a Ukrainian one.
        The actions of politicians on both sides have been wearing all 23 years
        mutually supportive character. And you don't need to talk about gas, etc. If there was a theft - there is a court, the thief should go to jail, if this "theft" was agreed, ostensibly in order to "buy" the Ukrainian elite - then the Russian elite lost to their Western counterparts. But since I do not consider your power holders to be clinical idiots, then most likely yours are also bought, and they operate according to some scenario, within some framework. We do not really know ANYTHING, but heaps of loud statements are being made - those traitors, these chauvinists, the third imperials.
        1. Peaceful military
          -1
          6 November 2013 14: 05
          Quote: Maverick78
          You do not own the question.

          Alas, you do not own the question, but are engaged in elementary and absolutely illiterate scholasticism. I see no reason to explain anything.hi
          1. Peaceful military
            +3
            6 November 2013 14: 20
            Questions to the scholastics from nationalism, called by them patriotism:
            Who is D. Washington for the British Empire?
            Who is Mazepa for the Russian Empire?
            Who is Bandera for the USSR?
            Etc.
            1. general
              -7
              6 November 2013 17: 20
              You are a Russian Svidomo and this is 100% I'm true.
            2. +1
              7 November 2013 11: 27
              I will answer. We’ll let Washington pass; it’s not sideways to us.
              Mazepa. RI is definitely a traitor, I also do not consider him my hero. For if something had worked out for him (which I doubt very much, because then there was no practice in creating INDEPENDENT states in the occupied territory. Most likely he was trying to save his power and make it more complete) and Ukraine became a strong and rich state - then would be a hero. And so - no.
              Bandera. He is a gangster and a terrorist for most Ukrainians, and not just for the USSR. The point of view of some Galicians I will explain to you. He fought against the Poles in the Ukrainian lands that make up Poland. When the USSR came there, he began to fight against it, but NEVER would have received such support from the local population if repression, driving to collective farms and deportations to Siberia had not begun with our arrival there. Perhaps Stalin really had no other choice, we don’t know this, but if they come to your house and start telling you how to live further, you will most likely be very unhappy.
              About the SS man Shukhevych I generally will not say anything, like about Vlasov I will not say anything, right?
            3. +1
              7 November 2013 12: 11
              And yet, I immediately forgot to write ... And how does all this relate to what I wrote?
              Are you trying to poke my face into our “heroes”? This will not work, because they are not mine. Are you trying to blame the "unreasonable and mean Ukrainians" for all Russia's troubles? Also by, you have enough of ours, we have ours. Or recall the "Russian elite" of the pre-Soviet period: dressed in German, speaking French and thinking about the interests of the British Empire?
              The sooner you realize that people like you are talking to you, the faster you can come to an agreement.
              And something did not answer about Old Man ... or nothing to say?
              1. -1
                7 November 2013 14: 14
                Quote: Maverick78
                The sooner you realize that people like you are talking to you, the faster you can come to an agreement.

                This Ukraine thinks that it is special, thinks that its fate in the EU will be different from the fate of other Slavic states.
                1. +1
                  7 November 2013 14: 38
                  Do not write nonsense, please. Ukraine, like any other state, cannot think in principle. It solves all a certain number of assholes (someone as lucky) in power. The fact that these are bought and by whom I bought and without you know. What to do with it - xs.
                  And you can’t help either, as EBN associates successfully ruined the Russian Federation, and you all sat in your apartments (houses) and were quietly outraged, and someone was happy (who was better off than others and lucky to snatch a less significant piece ) And you did not change anything at home. You did not choose Putin. And now you can’t change anything either. So are we. Because they are not organized.
            4. In the book
              0
              7 November 2013 14: 09
              who General Yermolov is for Chechnya
              http://slon.ru/world/chechnya_pamyatnik_pobedy_nad_rossiey-993976.xhtml
        2. xan
          +1
          6 November 2013 22: 06
          Quote: Maverick78
          Are you with all your friends (relatives, acquaintances) conducting a dialogue from the position - "I am richer and stronger, so everything will be my way"? If so, how many people do you manage to maintain normal relations with?

          Ukrainians consider Ukraine more equal than Russia. I’m just wondering where in Ukraine is Russia’s equal? Creating a joint stock company, Ukraine and Russia will make equal shares? Maverick 78, what are you talking about? Do you propose creating an alliance where all three countries have equal voting rights? 143 million of Russia, 45 million of Ukraine and 15 million of Belarus, do not even talk about the loot? Is this a tricky Ukrainian wiring? Are you normal
          1. +2
            7 November 2013 00: 27
            Quote: xan
            Do you propose creating an alliance where all three countries have equal voting rights?

            Dear Khan! Probably "tovarisch" was guided by the UN, where Russia, Ukraine and Belarus have the same votes. Well, then I.V. Stalin demanded that these republics have their own representatives, as the most affected after the Second World War. Well, so that the "FOR" proposals from the USSR were more votes. And our contemporaries decided that this should always be so in everything. hi
          2. In the book
            0
            7 November 2013 11: 50
            Quote: xan
            Ukrainians consider Ukraine more equal than Russia. I’m just wondering where in Ukraine is Russia’s equal?

            Any state is equal in all rights and obligations to another state.
            If one nation considers itself superior to another on any basis (economic, political, moral, etc.), then this is a Nazi nation.
            This applies equally to some representatives of both Russia and Ukraine.
            Quote: xan
            Creating a joint stock company, Ukraine and Russia will make equal shares?

            And where is the economy to politics?
            1. xan
              +1
              7 November 2013 12: 40
              Quote: Libr
              Any state is equal in all rights and obligations to another state.

              This is where it came from, obviously not out of common sense. America can bend Syria - Syria can bend America too. Russia managed to defend Syria, Ukraine will also be able to defend Syria, well, really if it wanted to. Where is equality here?
              Quote: Libr
              If one nation considers itself superior to another on any basis (economic, political, moral, etc.), then this is a Nazi nation.

              What does the state and nation? For example, I do not consider a simple Ukrainian to be something lower than me, a simple Russian, but I do not consider Ukraine and Russia to be equal, and I hope to explain why.
              1. In the book
                0
                7 November 2013 13: 50
                Quote: xan
                This is where it came from, obviously not out of common sense. America can bend Syria - Syria can bend America too. Russia managed to defend Syria, Ukraine will also be able to defend Syria, well, really if it wanted to. Where is equality here?

                Following your logic. If I’m larger in volume, then I don’t give a shit from a large bell tower to my neighbor, who is 10 times smaller?
                You have good "common" sense laughing
                Quote: xan
                What does the state and nation? For example, I do not consider a simple Ukrainian to be something lower than me, a simple Russian, but I do not consider Ukraine and Russia to be equal, and I hope to explain why.

                see answer above
                1. xan
                  0
                  8 November 2013 00: 37
                  Quote: Libr
                  Following your logic. If I’m larger in volume, then I don’t give a shit from a large bell tower to my neighbor, who is 10 times smaller?
                  You have good "common" sense laughing

                  This is not my logic, this is the logic of international relations. If you open your eyes and look at the story, you will see confirmation of my words in every event. And it’s time for you Ukrainians, especially those born in the USSR, to get used to the fact that your current homeland in international relations weighs zero point ten. Do not show your greatness of Russia, we see it. Show your steepness to Europeans and Americans, they do not know that you are great and equal.
                  "Great states always behave like bandits, small ones like prostitutes" (Stanley Kubrick). Should Russia change this order and engage in altruism at the state level? Do we need it? It is enough that Russia does not meddle in internal affairs as long as it does not concern its citizens.
            2. +1
              7 November 2013 14: 19
              Quote: Libr
              Any state is equal in all rights and obligations to another state.

              The rights of the state are directly proportional to the obligations that it MAY (I draw attention) to assume, and Russia can do more and it will have more rights.
              1. +1
                7 November 2013 15: 05
                Do not confuse geopolitics and bilateral relations. In the global plan, Russia weighs more than Ukraine, I don’t argue with that. But in relations between Ukraine and Russia, these are two equal entities, i.e. Ukraine is not obliged to agree to the conditions of Russia, only because Russia is bigger and stronger.
                I will ask again. Did you personally like the fact that under EBN Russia constantly made concessions to the USA and Europe, constantly ignoring its interests? If it did not suit, then why? After all, they are richer and stronger.
                1. +1
                  7 November 2013 15: 40
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  After all, they are richer and stronger.

                  both of these statements are not true. They are not richer, they have more dollars, but it’s natural, they print dollars. They are not stronger, they spend more money on the army, which does not make their army particularly strong.
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  But in relations between Ukraine and Russia, these are two equal entities, i.e. Ukraine is not obliged to agree to the conditions of Russia, only because Russia is bigger and stronger.

                  Russia is a subject of law, the USA, India, China, Britain are subjects of law, Ukraine is an object of law, your claims are not substantiated. Ukraine, of course, may not agree, knowing that a good-natured Russia will not be forced, but the losses of Ukraine will be much more significant than the losses of Russia.
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  You personally were comfortable with the fact that under EBN Russia constantly made concessions

                  But I perfectly understood that Russia temporarily weakened and was forced to make concessions, here the claims are not against the EBN, but against our Western "friends" who tried to take advantage of our weakness.
                  1. +1
                    7 November 2013 17: 09
                    As long as the dollar is the "world currency" they are richer. No need to dissemble, whatever one may say, their army is very strong. At this stage - the strongest.
                    We have no special claims, we would like to live peacefully on our land. But if that makes us an "object" okay. Then I will answer you with a free statement of the answer of the Ryazan prince to Batu Khan. "when we are gone, you will own everything." Good luck, O Great One, do not waste your time on unworthy "objects"
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2013 17: 27
                      Quote: Maverick78
                      No need to dissemble, whatever one may say, their army is very strong. At this stage - the strongest of all.

                      The Yankees have a powerful fleet, and the army is so-so, it does not pull on the very, very.
                      Quote: Maverick78
                      Good luck, O Great One, do not waste your time on unworthy "objects"

                      You have too much conceit, you have to be more modest, the answers are not only for you, for all visitors. The pathos of your words is not true.
                2. xan
                  -1
                  8 November 2013 00: 22
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  But in relations between Ukraine and Russia, these are two equal entities, i.e. Ukraine is not obliged to agree to the conditions of Russia, only because Russia is bigger and stronger.

                  Equal only in the ability to agree or disagree with each other's proposals. The Kremlin offered Ukraine something. And what did Ukraine offer in return? Yes, and what can she offer? Failure to sign an agreement with the EU?
                  1. 0
                    8 November 2013 01: 27
                    This is what I mean. In no case do I pretend to be the same amount of money for 145 million Russians and 45 million Ukrainians.
                    Mutually beneficial conditions are conditions under which both parties are satisfied.
                    In your words, the "Kremlin" only do what they offer ours, and they are all stupid, they all do not agree, although they have nothing to offer in return. Do you believe in the altruism of the "Kremlin"? Me not. I do not believe in the altruism of politicians at all, regardless of the color of the flag
              2. In the book
                +1
                7 November 2013 16: 35
                Quote: Setrac
                and Russia can do more and it will have more rights.

                Well, and how is Russia then different from the Yankees?
                You are full of great-power chauvinism.
                1. 0
                  7 November 2013 17: 18
                  Quote: Libr
                  Well, and how is Russia then different from the Yankees?

                  The fact that the Yankees do not have Delaware Autonomy or the Democratic Republic of the Iroquois. Many of them.
                  Quote: Libr
                  You are full of great-power chauvinism.

                  You are full of Russophobian chauvinism, and at the expense of the Russians, you have to hate the Russians at your own expense, and howled
          3. +1
            7 November 2013 12: 27
            If we talk about AO, it is absolutely normal that the one who invested more will receive more. But this is done on the basis of an agreement in which the parties prescribe who is responsible for what, who invests what, and this is done on MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL bases, and not on the terms of a stronger and richer party. (Well, this is done through the head, and not according to Chernomyrdin) If you want to build relations on the principle of who is stronger than that and is right, then why are you so outraged by US policy? And what are you better then?
            If you think that the interest of one Russian citizen is equal to the interest of 3 Ukrainians and 10 Belarusians, then negotiate with China) There arithmetic will be more amusing. But you don’t think that relations between Russia and China should be built on the basis of the ratio of the population.
            1. -1
              7 November 2013 14: 24
              Quote: Maverick78
              If you consider that the interest of one citizen of Russia is equal to the interest of 3 Ukrainians and 10 Belarusians

              What a blatant lie, you then seek the opposite, so that the interest of three Russians is equal to the interest of one Ukrainian.
              Suppose we create a supranational parliament in the CU, with a deputy from every million people, Russia will have 140 seats, and Ukraine will have 45. This is equality.
              1. +1
                7 November 2013 15: 16
                This is the problem .... I draw an option. It is necessary to create a nuclear waste cemetery and a chemical waste warehouse. Such a parliament meets and, by a simple majority of votes, determines that the cemetery of nuclear weapons is in Ukraine and "chemistry" is in Belarus.
                Now attention is the question. Why do I need such happiness?
                Say that this can not be? Can you guarantee?
                1. 0
                  7 November 2013 15: 48
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  Say that this can not be? Can you guarantee?

                  Only God can give you guarantees. With regard to the European Union, you also cannot guarantee anything, only in the EU you do not have these 45 votes, in addition, this situation is purely hypothetical. In practice, Ukraine will accept any shit from the EU for a couple of yards of credit (I will pay attention then the loan will have to be returned later), this is simply not possible in the CU.
                  1. +1
                    7 November 2013 16: 54
                    That's why I'm in the EU and I do not want to) And in fact, at least half of the population of Ukraine, too. And if you explain in detail what is fraught with accession to the EU for the state of Ukraine, then the EU’s supporters will be no more than 20-25% (mainly merchants and all kinds of show business, as well as those who would like to be away from Russia anywhere.)
                    And that’s why I’m not a supporter of joining the CU on obscure conditions (popularization, clarification of what kind of animal it is in Ukraine, only general phrases. And about the EU, all the positive aspects are licked from all sides and framed. On the negative aspects, of course silent.) I have nowhere to put my oligarchs, and you offer me to feed yours too.
            2. xan
              -1
              8 November 2013 00: 52
              Quote: Maverick78
              But this is done on the basis of an agreement in which the parties prescribe who is responsible for what, who invests, and this is done on MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL bases, and not on the terms of a stronger and richer party.

              He wrote nonsense. Who is stronger and richer is the most important, if not stupid, because it is important not the one who put forward the idea, but who managed to realize this idea. Ideally, the one who put forward the idea will realize it himself, but this is rare. What can Ukraine offer and what can it realize? Suggest your ideas for implementation with Russian money? So we know where the loot can be spent, we do not need you for this.
              1. 0
                9 November 2013 00: 09
                I look at you some kind of complex, you must be the most important)
                But then take)
                Reread your post carefully and tell yourself why it’s impossible to agree with you.
                If it’s not profitable for you what you are offering me, I refuse, and I don’t care how much money you have and what kind of karate belt you have. Be the main thing over yourself.
                According to you, we have nothing ... maybe you're right, time will tell. But then why such turbulent events around Ukrainian-Russian relations? Are your top masochists?
      3. In the book
        0
        7 November 2013 11: 43
        Quote: Peaceful military
        The so-called Ukrainian patriotism is based on Russophobia and a certain self of the ancient and proud Ukrainian.

        What you wrote is not Ukrainian patriotism.
        I repeat: a true patriot of his people does not detract from the dignity of other peoples.
        Although, this is your opinion, I persuade you to persuade you.
  27. +8
    6 November 2013 10: 53
    Do not "European Values" ™ reject patriotism as a "class alien" and "outdated" phenomenon? If Ukraine aspires to the "House of Civilized Peoples" ™, then it must abandon patriotism, hold monthly gay parades on the main squares, introduce for children " sex education "so that the child himself can" choose "his orientation, and other" pleasant "things, and leave Patriotism to us" dark Russian barbarians ", it so happened that with all the huge problems that we have" barbarians "" European values "™ we don't get vaccinated in any way, but for Ukraine it looks like it.
  28. Wolverine67
    +5
    6 November 2013 11: 12
    Quote: rolik2
    You would at least come up with something newer, otherwise your banal horror stories have already become boring.


    .... specially for the "chosen by God" tovarisch a new "Uskaya" horror story:

    "Some of the former members of the Jewish police of Vilnius, Kaunas and Siauliai were arrested by the NKVD in the summer of 1944 and convicted of collaborating with the Germans. The same policemen and Judenrat members who did not fall into the hands of the NKVD, safely repatriated to Israel, and enjoyed respect and honor there. Their "exploits" were justified even in the Talmud, which calls for the preservation of at least a drop of Jewish blood by any means.The Jews reasoned as follows: if the policemen had not gone into the service of the Germans, the Germans would have killed them along with the rest of the Jews, and by killing their fellow tribesmen, who the Germans would have killed, they saved at least a part of the Jews - themselves from destruction. "
    1. kaktus
      0
      6 November 2013 14: 03
      Every family has its black sheep angry
  29. +9
    6 November 2013 11: 54
    Ukraine is an independent state with its own army, constitution, etc. already 23 years. Well, you all cling to Russia, all of it is to blame for all your troubles. Go your way to Europe - go. We do not delay you. You live without Russia - please, but blame Russia for all the troubles, sorry, not very mature. It reminds one of the behavior of an over-age, not very smart person who quarreled with his parents to the nines, but couldn’t get too far from his mother’s bosom, but again to blame his parents for all his troubles. IMHO.
  30. +4
    6 November 2013 12: 03
    The impression was that Ukraine likes it when the followers of Mazepa, Bandera and other "outstanding" traitors are in power. And what kind of speeches we have heard from the lips of the current Ukrainian "elite", take at least Kravchuk. While serving in the KKVO, during the gathering of the political staff and the leaders of the political study groups of the district's special units, I listened to the speeches of this figure about duty, honor, patriotism and internationalism, friendship and unity of the peoples of the USSR. So when did he and others like him tell the truth? Or gorging themselves on caviar and salmon quietly "fought" against communism for the freedom of "Ridnoi nenki Ukraini"! It seems to me that the Ukrainian people will figure out who is hu ... But then they will not seem a little! Apparently these traders are still eating their own bread with caviar, though now for the money of Western "partners"!
    1. +6
      6 November 2013 13: 23
      If Kravchuk would single-handedly collapse the USSR - I would agree, and since the collapse was a collective product - thank you, everyone is to blame. For example, I didn’t go under the tanks in Moscow, and my father voted to preserve the USSR.
      1. +1
        6 November 2013 21: 43
        The question was raised by me not about who and what destroyed, but about how and where they led us under the USSR and how they were positioned now. Still, Talkov was right: "You can repaint your face, never soul." the fact that it is being led either by former leaders of the USSR or outright gangsters. And you are here who voted for what, and who climbed under the tanks. I was in Moscow in August 91 and was not on the side of Yeltsin's gang, the oath is given once in a lifetime (if you real officer)!
  31. sribnuu
    -5
    6 November 2013 12: 07
    Quote: seller trucks
    Quote: Silkway0026
    Need, Need. it is necessary to give Ukraine the opportunity to shake its butt on the ass, so that the lesson is stronger.


    Yeah, it will look something like this:


    Already hit the famine 33-32!
  32. +6
    6 November 2013 12: 30
    Awww! Until I came to authorship, I believed that the article was written in our time.
    And here, that's how it is - Trubetskoy, prince.
    After all, nothing has changed.
  33. +2
    6 November 2013 12: 31
    What Russia, what Ukraine needs a new electoral system.
    If you want to be an official right up to the president, just come and be, just don’t forget the certificates that you served, we’re not judged and not crazy. But after five years, voters will vote to hang you with your whole family or let you go home, and even with the right of early expression of will.
    "They hung in a row on that oak ... I'll tell you the names later."
    1. 0
      7 November 2013 18: 10
      shurum is 150% right!
      The crisis of the system is overripe.
      There must be sacrifice in the service of the people.
  34. 0
    6 November 2013 12: 56
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    Markov and his supporters have been arrested for kind words addressed to Russia.

    Markov is a bandit. Crossed the road to other bandits. Do not make a political sacrifice out of him!

    Was there a trial over him? and he was recognized as a criminal gangster?
    1. Akim
      0
      6 November 2013 16: 44
      Quote: Estray_
      he was recognized as a bandit in court?

      If recognized, then a bully. But Odessa is also Odessa, that here everyone knows about everyone.
  35. Federal
    +11
    6 November 2013 13: 01
    a look from the inside, I live in the Donbas where our Yakubovich is from, I’m not a patriot, there’s nothing to be proud of this shit ... It's true, in principle, everything that is said in the article is also true, the country is in a lie and in the ass ... Goaty power of thieves and bandits, raiding, TOTAL corruption, no one needs anything, guys from the gym, young people all speak Russian, spit on everything connected with Ukraine, but it’s east, in the west it will be torn, divorce is inevitable, a matter of time, a conclusion, if Pu adhered instead of puffing out his cheeks and making arrangements with the lessons, he simply did what he did in South Ossetia with passports, etc. sense would be 100 times greater if it weren’t for tearing up then strangled it would be tough due to the threats of riots, etc. So the problem is not in us, we lost in the 90s but we are waiting for a revenge, chuhvaet Moscow
    1. +3
      6 November 2013 13: 06
      Quote: Federal
      a look from the inside, I live in the Donbas where our Yakubovich is from, I’m not a patriot, there’s nothing to be proud of this shit ... It's true, in principle, everything that is said in the article is also true, the country is in a lie and in the ass ...

      "Zoma", I support good
  36. makarov
    +4
    6 November 2013 13: 04
    Quote: Hudo
    While a yellow-blue rag of the Austro-Hungarian type is hobbling on a left-flank tank

    You know, for me, your statement regarding state symbols is insulting. Yes, I am Russian, but I was born and live in Ukraine, here are the graves of my ancestors, here is my home, and my homeland. Not in a single comment do I allow myself insulting attacks on both the CIS countries and their symbols.
    Sorry for the straightforwardness, but to GENTLY, you are rude, without a cultured and vulgar person.
    1. +3
      6 November 2013 13: 36
      this symbolism is alien to half the country's population. in my city, it is generally akin to occupation.
    2. Federal
      +1
      6 November 2013 13: 41
      I understand people relate to this in different ways, one of my acquaintances about the flag said it, they don’t give a shit about us, whoever saw the flag will understand, is it unpleasant? But really uncle ....
    3. vanaheym
      -1
      6 November 2013 13: 52
      All these forums, articles and comments very much help Ukrainians understand how they are treated in Russia and what consequences the support of the Customs Union may have.
      No Svoboda party or pro-European politicians will do more.
      1. In the book
        0
        7 November 2013 12: 12
        I agree.
        The question arises:
        Why do such articles appear on the Internet? Does someone outside Ukraine have a sore soul for her? I doubt it. Who benefits from such publications and what is their purpose?
        The first thing that comes to mind is to pit two peoples, and under this guise to realize their not-so-good plans.
        There is enough shit on both sides of our border, and it is not worth drawing conclusions about our states on not quite adequate representatives of our countries.
      2. 0
        7 November 2013 20: 44
        Quote: vanaheym
        help Ukrainians understand how they are treated in Russia

        Well, sir, millions of Ukrainians themselves are in Russia, work there, live without forums and your speculation, they can conclude: what are the consequences for the support of the TS.
        And if they can’t, or your colleagues will outweigh their opinion, well ...
        then it means so to God, there have already been similar extortions in history.
    4. Hudo
      +1
      6 November 2013 13: 55
      Quote: makarov
      You know, for me, your statement regarding state symbols is insulting.


      I don’t understand why you are so dear to the symbols of the province of Lower Austria imposed without any request on the population of the fascist Carpathian monkeys.

      Quote: makarov
      Yes, I am Russian, but I was born and live in Ukraine, here are the graves of my ancestors, here is my home, and my Motherland


      Strange to the highest degree! RUSSIAN PERSON (!!!) and reason like some kind of swab.


      Quote: makarov
      Sorry for the straightforwardness, but to GENTLY, you are rude, without a cultured and vulgar person.


      Nothing, go ahead. I probably won't be able to accept the fact that the "good breeding" and "culture" for different mankurts (Ivanov did not remember their kinship) bred on the territory of U is manifested in pleasing Austrian and Polish backs with a rough tongue and excrement of feces on the graves of their glorious ancestors.
      1. In the book
        0
        7 November 2013 12: 15
        Quote: Hudo
        I don’t understand why you are so dear to the symbols of the province of Lower Austria imposed without any request on the population of the fascist Carpathian monkeys.

        At the moment, this is the symbolism of the state.
        And these your statements will not add to you personally and to your country respect from the citizens of Ukraine.
  37. UVB
    +8
    6 November 2013 13: 22
    Honestly, I quickly looked through the article, I’m already unbearable to read on this topic. I'm talking about something else. It was recalled when, on the eve of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, the whole city was covered with leaflets that inscribed how powerful Ukraine is, what its industry surpasses the British one (maybe it was in the days of the USSR) and how we all will heal well if we become independent and stop feeding older brother. Well, where is this well-being? Turned into a third world country. I used to be proud that I live in Ukraine, but now I’m just ashamed.
    1. 0
      7 November 2013 02: 11
      Dear UVB !! Have you personally done something to enhance the prestige and power of Ukraine ??? Or are you just waiting for well-being ??? This should be a shame !!!
      1. UVB
        +1
        7 November 2013 07: 57
        I did not understand the question. What do you think I should have done for the welfare? To tear your throat on the Maidan? I have served in good faith, although most of the time in the USSR, for 16 years I have been a pensioner. Maybe you misunderstood me. Remember how Zadornov said: "We live in a better world for the Motherland, but in a monstrous state!" This is fully applicable to Ukraine.
  38. 128mgb
    +3
    6 November 2013 13: 25
    Quote: Akim
    And you do not look.

    smile
    Quote: Akim
    What good has done in politics

    And what should have been? Should again? Especially after 2004 and 08.
  39. +3
    6 November 2013 13: 46
    Largely due to the indecision of the Russian authorities, this Mr. Ukraine generally still exists on the map. I can say one thing: most Crimeans themselves have been waiting for tough actions for a long time, despite the fact that we seem to be living in the state of Ukraine ourselves. but it can't be worse. it can only be worse for professional Ukrainians and a crook who now lives on in power and has a business. who steals and throws when a pensioner receives $ 120 per month and eats whatever.
  40. vanaheym
    0
    6 November 2013 13: 49
    Here is a purely smiled film, which was filmed by the Ukrainian agency TSN on the topic "What would Kiselev say if he stayed on Ukrainian television."
    1. 0
      7 November 2013 02: 02
      Funny ... and sad at the same time. As in that joke "... Kapets, we have arrived. Hello, girls !!!"
  41. +4
    6 November 2013 13: 54
    To live in a European way, preferably with border posts, with a visa regime on the Russian-Ukrainian border,

    Only for. At the same time, do not forget about the agreements on small border traffic, and build a sufficient number of checkpoints. And it was not strange that the Russian Federation did not want to introduce visas.

    guest workers in Moscow as Asian drug dealers
    And what do Ukrainian illegal immigrants have more rights now?

    It's time to become Ukrainians and fundamentally abandon Russian gas.
    And what does Ukraine receive for nothing? And as soon as the opportunity arises, we may not refuse, but we will settle the price.
    while receiving from Russia the cheapest gas in Europe.
    Providing the cheapest transit. And the network could have blocked the transit of Turkmen gas to Ukraine like Moscow.
    Kuchma, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko, Yanukovych are still alive, so you have to ask them,
    Like we don’t ask? Tymoshenko is sitting here.
    impose restrictions on the export to Russia of any products labeled "Zrobleno in Ukraine"
    Well, we are not so evil, and the Russian Federation is trying for us.
    In the twenty-third year, it's time to stop feeding her.
    If for money it is possible.
    It's time to curtail any cooperation with Russia, and destroy the entire legacy of the "colonial regime", along with factories and institutions.

    The cooperation of the Russian Federation itself will cease, you just need to stop making plans for it. And the legacy - well, the factories and institutes were not built alone .. we were rocked .. and the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tajiks (like the Ukrainians built factories in other republics) to the budget USSR combed the money - so do not reflect.
    Let the Europeans build other plants here. The faster we drank the Soviet legacy, the faster we get another? Is it logical?
    No, it’s not logical. But the author and logic are apparently not friends.
    So that not a single Russian film goes on Ukrainian TV channels, not a single Russian song is heard on any Ukrainian radio
    Well, I won’t notice much loss from this, just don’t touch the Comedy womens))) At least how can I be without the tired 2 son and the penal battalion?
    We need to live without Russia to understand that without it we are nobody. Empty place.
    How self-depreciating, by the way, why does the author identify with WE, maybe he is now an empty place?
    ora begin to honestly hate Russia with every cell, and not be Russophobe or Russophile when it is profitable.
    And now the author probably hate the whole world around him except the Russian Federation? Strange Dostoevsky and Tolstoy even read calmly in the US, while not becoming Russians.
    What normal Ukrainian patriot can support the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union, which de facto deprives his homeland of sovereignty?
    If only the author would prove it. It would be very interesting.
    However, where did you last see a normal Ukrainian?
    Yes, constantly.
    1. +4
      6 November 2013 13: 56
      the saddest thing is that in Ukraine they know everything about everyone, they know who the oligarch is, who the thief
      From this it follows that in the Russian Federation they do not know? Or that there are no thieves? Aligarchs?
      , do not Ukrainian patriots dream of exchanging their passport for a passport of any European country? Put the book with the trident in one place and forget about it as a serious illness. Dreaming
      How can the author talk about this without being a patriot of Ukraine? Especially since now it’s much easier to emigrate from the country than under the USSR? Moreover, even those who left (many) try to remain Ukrainians and know the language and culture. By the way, I didn’t leave. Therefore, the author it’s too generalizing. By the way, do Russians already leave Russia for permanent residence from the Russian Federation (I’m sorry about the topic Russia is mentioned by the author)?
      That their spirit was not here. So as not to fool normal people with their idiotic tales.
      The author has not yet been able to prove that he is normal, speaks on behalf of the normal and is not the fifth column created with the money of a foreign state.
      The name may be bright, but the country is in shit.
      Great Russians like this very much.
      In fact, shit is still a long way off.
      Ukrainian patriotism must be banned. For every declaration of love for Ukraine
      And Russian with Belorussky too?

      The article was published in the collection "Eurasian contemporary", book V. Paris, 1927

      This is the last set of words chtoli? In the Afterword?

      Thanks for your attention)))))))
    2. +3
      6 November 2013 14: 09
      Quote: Kars
      And the network could like Moscow blocked the transit of Turkmen gas to Ukraine

      Moscow agreed with Ashgabat, finding common interests and offering mutually beneficial conditions. Yes, Turkmenistan had to move somewhere. But then Moscow had trump cards.

      AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND TURKMENISTAN ON THE ENHANCEMENT OF STRATEGIC COOPERATION IN THE FIELD OF ENERGY AND ENGINEERING dated December 22.12.2009, XNUMX:
      http://www.mid.ru/BDOMP/spd_md.nsf/0/727DDC99E3F4D62E44257C12003EEDF0

      And what mutually beneficial cooperation could Kiev offer?
      1. +1
        6 November 2013 14: 19
        Quote: Flood
        from 22.12.2009:

        And what did you remember in 2009, when they refused to transit gas back in 2000 m?
        1. 0
          6 November 2013 14: 37
          Quote: Kars
          And what did you remember in 2009, when they refused to transit gas back in 2000 m?

          I do not know what you mean.
          Until 2009, export of Turkmen gas passed through pipelines in Kazakhstan and Russia, built back in Soviet times. Russia bought up Turkmen gas, and then sold it to European customers, usually at spot prices or supplied them with regions in southern Russia.
          But when world gas prices fell in 2008-2009, Martin Hoffmann, an expert from the Eastern Committee of the German Economy, explained in an interview with a DW correspondent, the deal became unprofitable for Russia, because Turkmenistan had to buy fuel under previously signed long-term contracts and become overpriced, which European buyers refused to pay.
          “Knowing that Turkmenistan has no export alternatives,” says Hoffman, “Russia in an ultimatum demanded that Ashgabat lower prices to market prices, and when the Turkmen became obstinate, they simply closed the pipe, explaining this measure with some technical reasons.”

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          1. +4
            6 November 2013 15: 09
            Quote: Flood
            I do not know what you mean.

            You don’t know, you don’t know. Ukraine wanted to buy gas in Turkmenistan. And it was in the early 2000s, Gazprom refused to provide transit, and the Turkmens had no choice but to sell it to Gazprom at low prices. What is not clear?
            1. 0
              6 November 2013 15: 26
              Quote: Kars
              And it was in the early 2000s, Gazprom refused to provide transit, and the Turkmens had no choice but to sell it to Gazprom at low prices. What is unclear here?

              Do you know all the nuances of the deal under discussion?
              Has Turkmen gas not been fully contracted by the Russian side?
              Was Russia able to pump up additional volumes of Turkmen gas even if there was surplus gas?
              What agreements existed between Russia and Turkmenistan at that time?
              1. +1
                6 November 2013 15: 32
                Quote: Flood
                Do you know all the nuances of the deal under discussion?

                Why? Negotiations with Turkmenistan were underway, Gazprom refused transit - what else is needed?
                If Turkmenistan had sold all the gas, then there would be no negotiation.
                1. +2
                  6 November 2013 15: 44
                  Quote: Kars
                  Why? Negotiations with Turkmenistan were underway, Gazprom refused transit - what else is needed?
                  If Turkmenistan had sold all the gas, then there would be no negotiation.

                  Moreover, there were direct deliveries. But Turkmenistan was dissatisfied with the untimely payments and the quality of Ukrainian galoshes.
                  http://gundogar.org/?0234042707000000000000013000000
                  1. +2
                    6 November 2013 15: 48
                    Quote: Flood
                    Little of

                    And? Go to the search engine

                    Gazprom impedes the transit of Turkmen gas to Ukraine

                    and read.
                    1. +3
                      6 November 2013 18: 55
                      Quote: Kars
                      And? Go to the search engine
                      Gazprom impedes the transit of Turkmen gas to Ukraine
                      and read.

                      Kars, do me a favor and try to understand.
                      I already went into the search engine and even specifically caught you a link.
                      You did not do either one, but give advice.
                      I will consider your answer obscure and wait for the next one.
                      1. +1
                        6 November 2013 19: 02
                        Quote: Flood
                        I even fished out a reference specially for you.

                        I did not ask you about this. And your link is useless.

                        Quote: Flood
                        I will consider your answer obscure and wait for the next one.

                        you are in your own right.
  42. +2
    6 November 2013 14: 13
    Quote: Federal
    We are waiting for revenge, Chuhva Moscow


    Well, crap. Chuh themselves - solve your problems yourself. Revenge, who's stopping you?
    Yanukovych handed you all in essence. He walked into power with one, but does the other. You skinte him from the throne then.
  43. 0
    6 November 2013 14: 13
    Quote: Federal
    We are waiting for revenge, Chuhva Moscow


    Well, crap. Chuh themselves - solve your problems yourself. Revenge, who's stopping you?
    Yanukovych handed you all in essence. He walked into power with one, but does the other. You skinte him from the throne then.
  44. +2
    6 November 2013 14: 22
    The article is poorly written.
    A mixture of texts, but at the same time almost all references to the authors of the text are absent, except the last.
    Well, in 1927 they could not predict Kuchma.
    Hence the conclusions:
    Unfinished articles are posted on the site to stimulate inter-territorial discord (the outskirts are the outskirts. Whose outskirts will be their problems. (Although I liked the beginning of the article).
    A lot of stupid and too emotional ones appeared on the site, which, after reading the title and the beginning of the article, without thinking, begin to express emotions, instead of arguments.
    Site moderators work very poorly, or no longer work, because they themselves are interested in a biased attitude to the information discussed and to the comments.
  45. sumcream56
    0
    6 November 2013 14: 26
    Grumbled about Polish shipbuilding. “As for the Gdansk Shipyard, at the beginning of 2008, its majority owner was ISD Poland, a member of the Industrial Union of Donbass Group (Ukraine). The new owners submitted a restructuring plan to the European Commission (EC). The EC decided that the state the support of the Gdansk shipyard in the past was legitimate. By its decision, the EC approved the restructuring plan of the Gdansk shipyard, which is currently under way. During 2008-2009, the shipyard managed to do a lot, both in terms of management and technology The global crisis has negatively affected not only shipbuilding in general, but also the Gdansk shipyard in particular, which is natural. Thanks to the decisions to diversify production that ISD Polska made immediately after the acquisition of the shipyard, the outlook looks good. " Any questions?
  46. makarov
    +3
    6 November 2013 14: 54
    Quote: Hudo
    I probably will not be able to accept the fact that "good breeding" and "culture" for different mankurts (Ivanov did not remember their kinship) bred on the territory

    I know a kind of history from the 17th century, and its roots are from the Don Cossacks. And I deeply doubt that you can look so deeply into your own, therefore it is also unknown which of us Ivan does not remember kinship ... playing in such a Nazi.
    1. Hudo
      +2
      6 November 2013 18: 40
      Quote: makarov
      I know a kind of history from the 17th century, and its roots are from the Don Cossacks. And I deeply doubt that you can look so deep into yours,


      I hasten to dispel your doubts and conjectures. And I know a story of a kind since the uprising of Kondraty Afanasevich Bulavin, in which my ancestor participated. Especially incomprehensible your enthusiasm for the Austro-Hungarian flag. It is good that your glorious ancestors did not live to such a shame.
  47. So_o_tozh
    +1
    6 November 2013 15: 00
    Although I was born in the USSR in 1977. in Kiev, but I don’t remember anything good about him, empty shelves, when everything came out according to the blat and one sheer dullness in the streets. According to the stories of parents in the Union republics, especially in the Caucasus, the Baltic states have always not loved Russians, in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, especially all Soviet ones ... my mother was there on a trip. Although the father-in-law tells stories about beer with sandwiches with red caviar ... As I understand it, since the 80s there has been a course towards the collapse of the union and no one really resisted this.
    As I understand it, in order to be in alliance with Russia at the thought of the Russians, we need Ukrainians to slander the shit to the fullest, fall apart as a country, and it will, because the gap between the rich and the poor is huge and there is a complete mistrust of the authorities, well Well, we will wait for our Putin, Bismarck ...
    So, at least out of dignity, I will always be proud that I am Ukrainian and I have a chance to feel like a first-class citizen in my country, and not some mythical union state ... What Russia is particularly contributing to, hiding behind a slogan who is not with by us he is against us. No need to put us in a pose of siu, new generations will remember only the negative continuous from Russia.
    1. +4
      6 November 2013 15: 07
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      So at least out of dignity, I will always be proud that I am Ukrainian and I have a chance to feel like a first-class citizen in my country

      So about the identity that in the USSR there never was a question - what sort are you, citizen?
      Everyone was equal and proud of their country. For the Baltic states I will not say.
      And now they have come: "I want to be a first-class citizen, and not like that second-class neighbor Vasya."
      What prevents you from feeling, not wanting? Already now, today? Again the machinations of Moscow?
      1. So_o_tozh
        +1
        6 November 2013 16: 10
        The question is not worth it, do not exaggerate. The machinations of Moscow, and so it all snapped everyone’s mouth about the trade wars, more precisely about the unilateral pressure of the Kremlin ... I want to be proud of my country-Ukraine, I see no reason to be proud of the gloomy USSR you won’t return it anyway. And of course, only annoyance at the chronic inability of the Ukrainian authorities to establish the life of the common people.
        1. +4
          6 November 2013 18: 53
          Quote: So_o_tozh
          The question is not worth it, do not exaggerate

          Quote: So_o_tozh
          I want to be proud of my country-Ukraine, I see no reason to be proud of the dull USSR you still won’t return it

          The question is exactly that. Because you WANT to be proud of your country and feel like a first-class citizen.
          And I am proud of the USSR and have never felt like a stepson in it. And most likely the USSR would not be proud if citizens of the first and second grades lived in nm.
          Sad USSR, you say? So this is what anyone needs from life. Someone actually needs neon lights and bright rags in the first place. Each has its own measure of value.
  48. +4
    6 November 2013 15: 43
    When I run out for a run, there is a banner "I choose the EU" on the road, and on it there is a disgusting face of some kind of mimra unknown to anyone (like, judging by the signature of a candidate of sociological sciences (also a swell to me)), such anger overcomes me that I pass the Cooper test and forces still remain to spit in her direction ...

    So that's what I’ve smeared about - hidden brainwashing is already really angry, it's time to physically destroy these creatures and not demagogy to breed ... and all kinds of referenda ...
  49. kaktus
    +3
    6 November 2013 16: 41
    To the topic or not -

    Like I’m malim, I’ve taken a hinge at home with unknowing hats.
    The mother’s shirt was vishila menny, chervoni and black, and chervoni and black.

    Chorus:
    Two colors, my two colors, both on the canvas, in my soul both.
    Two colors, my two colors, chervoni is love, and black is zhurba.

    Mene drove a lack of life, so I turned to my doorsteps.
    I’ve intertwined like my mother’s page, my sums and radios, my sums and radios roads.

    Chorus:
    Two colors, my two colors, both on the canvas, in my soul both.
    Two colors, my two colors, chervoni is love, and black is zhurba.

    I’ve seen in the eyes of Sivin, that I don’t take anything to the house,
    Take away a little bit of an old canvas ишите write my life, and write my life on it.

    Chorus:
    Two colors, my two colors, both on the canvas, in my soul both.
    Two colors, my two colors, chervoni is love, and black is zhurba.
  50. +3
    6 November 2013 17: 31
    As Borya Grebenshchikov sings: Patriotism simply means "kill the Gentile." I agree that any patriotism is evil. First, patriotism, then nationalism, and then fascism is not far. Guys, we must live together! Ukrainian and Russian marches, whoever wants to carry out, but only without "Heil Hitler" and "Breivik". What for these show-offs? Is this patriotism? Here I am a patriot, I live in Kharkov and do not want to leave my city anywhere. I am a patriot of my city. But I also respect the people of other cities. And those who shout that they are patriots of Ukraine or Russia, then this is, in general, not specific. Show that you love your city. Go outside and instead of slogans about patriotism, clean the area near your house or plant some kind of Christmas tree, finally! Thanks for attention! All people are brothers!
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  52. Demetrius
    -1
    6 November 2013 17: 45
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    The leader of the Rodina party is a bandit, and the leader of the Svoboda party is not a bandit. Some people have wonderful naming conventions in Ukraine. For those who do not know, I will tell you - the Jesuit rules are just that.

    The ballerina who preferred to give her children to a Russian school and wrote why the Russian school is better than the Ukrainian one is also a bandit?

    After all, she was banned from the profession precisely for expressing her pro-Russian point of view.


    Let's be objective! She was banned from her profession for making it personal, namely: for using the word "" in relation to students of Ukrainian-language schools, and not for expressing her pro-Russian point of view
    1. Hudo
      -2
      6 November 2013 18: 01
      Quote: Demetrius
      Let's be objective! She was banned from her profession for making it personal, namely: for using the word "" in relation to students of Ukrainian-language schools, and not for expressing her pro-Russian point of view


      What do you mean banned? Can an opera soloist (not a ballerina) change the libretto at will, inserting the words that private schools are an incubator of thought (which is undeniable).

      Here is the text of one of her words on Facebook: “I sent my child to a Russian gymnasium and have never regretted it. All subjects in Russian are very clear and understandable. And most of all I liked the ceremonial line, I even cried. The high school students spoke Russian very beautifully. They sang and read poetry. And in general, that contingent of parents and the children are sharply different from the bully Ukrainian schools. In the first grade, the Ukrainian language is taught 3 times a week, and the graduates speak it much better than the graduates of Ukrainian schools. I am glad that my daughter is studying among morally healthy children. And not among the cattle.", wrote Abdullina.
      And what is wrong here?
      1. +2
        8 November 2013 01: 36
        So you think my children are cattle? Would you dare to say the same thing to your face?
  53. +5
    6 November 2013 18: 04
    Quote: Demetrius
    The ballerina who chose to send her children to a Russian school

    Actually, she's an opera singer.
    1. Hudo
      +1
      6 November 2013 18: 29
      Quote: Vasily Klopkov
      Actually, she's an opera singer.


      He doesn't care about cymbals*, opera or ballet. The child of independence was not in the opera, ballet was also unknown to him.

      * Cymbals are a stringed percussion musical instrument, which is a trapezoidal soundboard with stretched strings. The sound is produced by striking two wooden sticks or mallets with expanding blades at the ends.
      1. Akim
        +1
        6 November 2013 18: 33
        Quote: Hudo
        The child of independence was not in the opera, ballet was also unknown to him.

        There is an opera building next to me, which only Marinka can compare with. And I also think that she is a FOOL!
        1. Hudo
          +1
          6 November 2013 18: 49
          Quote: Akim
          There is an opera building next to me, which only Marinka can compare with.


          Why are you alarmed? You distinguish opera from ballet.


          Quote: Akim
          And I also think that she is a FOOL!


          The boy from the fairy tale about the naked king also uttered some not very clever words, but what is their meaning!
        2. kaktus
          0
          6 November 2013 19: 41
          When was this building built and restored?
          1. Akim
            +1
            6 November 2013 20: 01
            Quote: kaktus
            When was this building built and restored?

            In 1887 year.
            1. kaktus
              0
              7 November 2013 16: 30
              Those. in the empire. What about recovery after WW2? Maybe the theater was not damaged, but the whole city... Just the facts...
  54. +1
    6 November 2013 18: 05
    The article is as relevant as it was written today... I sinfully thought so at first...
    1. vanaheym
      +5
      6 November 2013 19: 37
      The author of this article, just like the one written today, already knew about Kuchma and all the plans in 1927. Nostradamus is just resting
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  56. Sashko07
    +11
    6 November 2013 18: 18
    Ukrainian patriotism should be banned - so maybe let’s forbid the people of Ukraine to love their Motherland, their land on which they were born and raised, let’s forbid them to love their country, let’s forbid them to teach their history, how can there be no people without history! Let's forbid them to respect their grandfathers who fought for their country from Crimea to Murmansk! Or maybe we should bow to the “feet of the great Russian people,” whose capital hosts gay parades every year and is half composed of immigrants from the North Caucasus?
    Stop writing such articles, the authors of which have never even been to Ukraine, let alone its western regions. Why don’t you write about how we constantly beat skinheads, homosexuals and other trash? Once again I want to repeat the question to the owners of this wonderful site - how much do they pay you, name your price, a prostitute usually announces her price, as far as I know?
    1. +2
      6 November 2013 19: 38
      Alas, these articles are very necessary now. We need to somehow organize a fight on the Ukrainian topic.

      P.S. to be a patriot of one’s country is the duty of every person. But no one can forbid being a patriot of one’s Motherland. He who does not love his Motherland does not respect his people. And he who does not respect his people cannot respect others.
      1. Misantrop
        +5
        6 November 2013 19: 47
        Quote: lonely
        .he who does not love his Motherland, that person does not respect his people. and the one who does not respect his people...
        What kind of nonsense is this from an inflamed mind? The borders drawn out of drunkenness tore apart families, relatives, friends and colleagues. If a brother ended up abroad (he didn’t leave in search of a better life, but the border passed), then he already belongs to another people? And if the corrupt rulers quarreled among themselves, then not just with another, but also with the enemy? belay If the blue-whites, having finally quarreled with the orange ones, break Ukraine in half, then two new nations (hostile to each other) will appear on the world map? request
        1. +2
          6 November 2013 21: 56
          Quote: Misantrop
          What kind of nonsense is this from an inflamed mind? The borders drawn out of drunkenness tore apart families, relatives, friends and colleagues. If a brother ended up abroad (he didn’t leave in search of a better life, but the border passed), then he already belongs to another people? And if the corrupt rulers quarreled among themselves, then not just with another, but also with the enemy? If the blue-whites, having finally quarreled with the orange ones, break Ukraine in half, then two new nations (hostile to each other) will appear on the world map?


          firstly, I don’t have a fevered mind and I’m not talking nonsense. Learn to respect other people’s thoughts.

          I wrote, MOTHERLAND. And each person decides for himself where his Motherland is and to which people he belongs. hi
      2. Hudo
        +1
        6 November 2013 19: 54
        Quote: lonely
        P.S. to be a patriot of one’s country is the duty of every person. But no one can forbid being a patriot of one’s Motherland. He who does not love his Motherland does not respect his people. And he who does not respect his people cannot respect others.

        All of this, without a doubt, is true, BUT... And if the population of Ukraine is not one people, but at least two. While the border between the RRSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR was conditional, no problems actually arose (except for the compulsory teaching of the Ukrainian language in schools with Russian as the language of instruction). Now such problems are evident.
        1. +2
          6 November 2013 22: 00
          That's why they are problems, to sit together and solve them with a clear head.

          Tell me, Gleb, can you be forbidden to love your Motherland? I think whoever says this to you will be torn into the English flag. Why then forbid Ukrainian patriots (true patriots, not jingoists) to love their Homeland.
          1. Hudo
            +1
            6 November 2013 22: 16
            What's the question! Let them love to their health, but first let them go home from those ancestral lands, watered with Russian blood, which the bald, syphilitic Ulyanov assigned to them in order to raise a percentage of the proletariat among the semi-savage peasantry, and do whatever they want there.
  57. -1
    6 November 2013 18: 27
    Ukrainian peasants, happy with joining the eurozone, write a letter to the manager of Gazprom.
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    1. Akim
      0
      6 November 2013 18: 49
      Quote: MIKHAN
      How long have you been watching sponsons?)))

      From the 2003th.
  59. -2
    6 November 2013 18: 43
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Hudo
    Moreover, by ear, it (the Galician-Zapadensky dialect) is even more disgusting than in the written version.

    The prime minister generally speaks the Azarov dialect and nothing. For example, I like the Simpons Ukrainian translation more than the Russian.

    How long have you been watching sponsons?)))
  60. 0
    6 November 2013 18: 50
    Quote: uzer 13
    Ukrainian peasants, happy with joining the eurozone, write a letter to the manager of Gazprom.

    It's warm summer, the birds are singing.. (act one)... laughing
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  62. +3
    6 November 2013 18: 53
    And in Odessa they say: We won’t go anywhere so as not to look at people and show ourselves off.
  63. 0
    6 November 2013 18: 54
    And in Odessa they say: We won’t go anywhere so as not to look at people and show ourselves off.
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  65. +1
    6 November 2013 19: 08
    I liked the text. Alexander Nikolaevich Vertinsky and Alla Nikolaevna Bayanova (Levitskaya) will always belong to Russian Culture. There are many more examples that can be given.
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  67. +2
    6 November 2013 19: 09
    They divided our Russian people into Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians... having invented such nationalities as Ukrainian and Belarusian... before the so-called revolution (coup, change of power), words such as Little Russian (Ukrainian), Belarusian, Great Russian were used to designate people living on these lands , i.e. by place of residence, such as Muscovites or St. Petersburg residents, etc., but they had one nationality, Russians... were determined mainly by the Orthodox faith, even Jews who accepted Orthodoxy were considered Russians.
  68. Atlantus
    +2
    6 November 2013 19: 28
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    Although I was born in the USSR in 1977. in Kiev, but I don’t remember anything good about him, empty shelves, when everything came out according to the blat and one sheer dullness in the streets. According to the stories of parents in the Union republics, especially in the Caucasus, the Baltic states have always not loved Russians, in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, especially all Soviet ones ... my mother was there on a trip. Although the father-in-law tells stories about beer with sandwiches with red caviar ... As I understand it, since the 80s there has been a course towards the collapse of the union and no one really resisted this.
    As I understand it, in order to be in alliance with Russia at the thought of the Russians, we need Ukrainians to slander the shit to the fullest, fall apart as a country, and it will, because the gap between the rich and the poor is huge and there is a complete mistrust of the authorities, well Well, we will wait for our Putin, Bismarck ...
    So, at least out of dignity, I will always be proud that I am Ukrainian and I have a chance to feel like a first-class citizen in my country, and not some mythical union state ... What Russia is particularly contributing to, hiding behind a slogan who is not with by us he is against us. No need to put us in a pose of siu, new generations will remember only the negative continuous from Russia.

    It’s you, my young friend, who haven’t been to Russia during these times). Example Pskov...Moscow region (Dmitrov, Lobnya, Dolgoprudny) stores are empty. Only canned food. In the canteens there is sprat fish soup.
  69. 0
    6 November 2013 19: 30
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: MIKHAN
    How long have you been watching sponsons?)))

    From the 2003th.

    Well done.. I watched a couple of episodes with my son.. (I couldn’t stand it..) maybe I don’t understand something.. no offense
    1. +2
      6 November 2013 19: 40
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .(I couldn’t stand it..) maybe I don’t understand something.. no offense

      In vain. They make fun of the USA because the Yankeephobes here will never be able to.
      1. -5
        6 November 2013 20: 36
        Next time I'll take a closer look...
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  71. Atlantus
    +1
    6 November 2013 19: 31
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    Although I was born in the USSR in 1977. in Kiev, but I don’t remember anything good about him, empty shelves, when everything came out according to the blat and one sheer dullness in the streets. According to the stories of parents in the Union republics, especially in the Caucasus, the Baltic states have always not loved Russians, in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, especially all Soviet ones ... my mother was there on a trip. Although the father-in-law tells stories about beer with sandwiches with red caviar ... As I understand it, since the 80s there has been a course towards the collapse of the union and no one really resisted this.
    As I understand it, in order to be in alliance with Russia at the thought of the Russians, we need Ukrainians to slander the shit to the fullest, fall apart as a country, and it will, because the gap between the rich and the poor is huge and there is a complete mistrust of the authorities, well Well, we will wait for our Putin, Bismarck ...
    So, at least out of dignity, I will always be proud that I am Ukrainian and I have a chance to feel like a first-class citizen in my country, and not some mythical union state ... What Russia is particularly contributing to, hiding behind a slogan who is not with by us he is against us. No need to put us in a pose of siu, new generations will remember only the negative continuous from Russia.

    It’s you, my young friend, who haven’t been to Russia during these times). Example Pskov...Moscow region (Dmitrov, Lobnya, Dolgoprudny) stores are empty. Only canned food. In the canteens there is sprat fish soup.
  72. Demetrius
    +1
    6 November 2013 19: 49
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: Demetrius
    Let's be objective! She was banned from her profession for making it personal, namely: for using the word "" in relation to students of Ukrainian-language schools, and not for expressing her pro-Russian point of view


    What do you mean banned? Can an opera soloist (not a ballerina) change the libretto at will, inserting the words that private schools are an incubator of thought (which is undeniable).

    Here is the text of one of her words on Facebook: “I sent my child to a Russian gymnasium and have never regretted it. All subjects in Russian are very clear and understandable. And most of all I liked the ceremonial line, I even cried. The high school students spoke Russian very beautifully. They sang and read poetry. And in general, that contingent of parents and the children are sharply different from the bully Ukrainian schools. In the first grade, the Ukrainian language is taught 3 times a week, and the graduates speak it much better than the graduates of Ukrainian schools. I am glad that my daughter is studying among morally healthy children. And not among the cattle.", wrote Abdullina.
    And what is wrong here?


    If you don’t understand what’s wrong here, then there’s nothing to talk to you about.
    1. Hudo
      -2
      6 November 2013 20: 05
      Quote: Demetrius
      If you don’t understand what’s wrong here, then there’s nothing to talk to you about.

      It’s a strange position - if an opera singer in everyday life believes that studying at a school where the language of instruction is Ukrainian will turn her child into a ignorant ignoramus (which is undeniable), then she should be prohibited from performing arias.

      With such a crooked approach, if in her place there turns out to be a surgeon with golden hands and expresses the same considerations, then he should be excommunicated from medicine, and in his place should be taken a rural farrier who knows nothing about surgery but is very strong in ukromov.
  73. moskal68
    +2
    6 November 2013 20: 25
    Quote: Peaceful military
    Quote: 68
    I spoke about patriotism, and not about chauvinism with Nazism. If, for example, to listen to our ancestors, they will look just like their Ukrainian colleagues.

    Reread your question and my answer, if it does not help, then ... hi
    Comrade military. patriotism is patriotism in Africa too. And Ukrainian patriotism (in the good sense of the word) is no different from Russian patriotism or, say, Estonian. And when they shout that they are to blame for everything (the Jews, I’m a Nazi face, s) then this is no longer patriotism, but what I wrote about above.
    1. moskal68
      -1
      7 November 2013 11: 44
      Interestingly, in the post after the word “Jews” I wrote the word “I am a Nazi face” separated by a comma, but someone corrected it to “I am a Nazi face”. I wonder if this reformer has the balls to openly admit it?
      1. moskal68
        0
        7 November 2013 12: 00
        I need to take these backing tracks out and put them in. I have known such “Internet Hercules”. You identify yourself, have balls.
        1. moskal68
          +2
          7 November 2013 12: 07
          By the way, who will answer? I click on the rating number, but the list of those who voted for or against is not displayed. Why7
          1. 0
            7 November 2013 14: 45
            Quote: 68
            I wonder if this reformer has the balls to openly admit it?

            Apparently this is a functionality of the site that is corrected automatically.
            1. moskal68
              +1
              7 November 2013 16: 50
              What functionality? Now there is one word highlighted in green and when you hover the cursor over it, some kind of car advertisement pops up?
            2. moskal68
              0
              7 November 2013 16: 50
              What functionality? Now there is one word highlighted in green and when you hover the cursor over it, some kind of car advertisement pops up?
            3. moskal68
              0
              7 November 2013 16: 50
              What functionality? Now there is one word highlighted in green and when you hover the cursor over it, some kind of car advertisement pops up?
  74. fastblast
    0
    6 November 2013 21: 04
    Quote: 31231
    The agitation of the Kremlin comrades did their job and the people of Ukraine rallied even more,


    If my memory serves me in previous articles, you posted the video from YouTube, which is now posted here below rolik2. You called this movie healthy humor. Once again I ask, where is there to laugh?

    Well, from the very beginning it is clear what they want to convey with this video. Haven’t you realized that you can present information with such passion about absolutely any country and what is happening in it?! This is a real tool for crowd control! What’s funny is that people believe this nonsense.
    But, to tell the truth, this is sad.
  75. +1
    6 November 2013 21: 38
    We must live in such a way that the Russian spirit in Ukraine does not smell. So that not a single Russian film goes on Ukrainian TV channels, not a single Russian song is played on any Ukrainian radio. So that on all 365 concert and theater venues, Ukrainian talents "turned off" would perform "off".

    Here are MY thoughts voiced directly. After another prank of nationalists from any country of the former USSR, I would like to WISH the above. I really want them to live at least a YEAR in “their own juice”, that’s right, so that there is NO SMELL OF THE RUSSIAN SPIRIT at all, I really want them all to leave them for Russia, and forever.
  76. MG42
    +3
    6 November 2013 21: 39
    It’s time to become Ukrainians and fundamentally abandon Russian gas. How long can you rinse people's brains? Throughout all the years of its existence, the Ukrainian government has done nothing but fight for energy independence from Russia... while receiving from Russia the cheapest gas in Europe.

    Speaking of gas wassat >>
    Yanukovych says that by 2020 Ukraine can already begin exporting gas
    Yesterday, at 12:21
    Interfax-Ukraine
    President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych notes that today Ukraine is actively cooperating with global campaigns in the field of hydrocarbon production, which significantly enhances the country's energy security. He stated this while opening a meeting of the Council of Domestic and Foreign Investors on Tuesday in Kyiv.

    “The implementation of large-scale projects by Shell and Chevron corporations (by the way, an agreement with the latter will be signed just today) will allow By 2020, Ukraine will achieve full self-sufficiency in gas, and, in an optimistic scenario, export these energy resources,” Yanukovych said.

    http://glavcom.ua/news/164089.html
    1. 0
      7 November 2013 19: 38
      wink Yanukovych spoke..., Yusch and Yulka spoke, Kuchma spoke, Kravchuk spoke... Gas bypassed, gas underfoot, gas from Europe, 5 million jobs, Carpathian gold, Polubotka gold, investors on the doorstep with suitcases of currency, Ukraine in transit center country.
      By the way, the latter was again yesterday at the “Ukrainian Davos” wassat
  77. -2
    6 November 2013 22: 05
    I wish this unfinished Ukraine would leave our city forever. she has never been and will never become a native here. and causes more and more hatred every year. this cannot last forever.
    1. So_o_tozh
      -1
      6 November 2013 22: 32
      Here, whether you like it or not, you will become a nationalist so that people like you can be imprisoned...
      1. +1
        6 November 2013 23: 07
        Don't like separatism?
        What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull?
  78. +1
    6 November 2013 22: 13
    People don’t want to think with their heads at all. They make a chemical dump out of Ukraine, and they rejoice.
    1. So_o_tozh
      +1
      6 November 2013 22: 31
      Thank you for the most expensive gas in Europe
      1. 0
        7 November 2013 00: 36
        Quote: So_o_tozh
        Thank you for the most expensive gas in Europe

        Well, firstly, it’s not the most expensive, and secondly, say thank you to dear Yulia! It was she who forged the documents and signed them running and running. Just ask her!
  79. Anti com
    +8
    6 November 2013 22: 49
    You read some of the comments and feel sad... It’s sad that in just over two decades we have learned to disrespect each other. And not just disrespect, but downright hate. We are the descendants of people who, half a century ago, stood up together to attack at the fronts of the Second World War, and then raised from the ruins a not entirely correct, but still a great state, now we argue and ask each other moronic questions. Should a Ukrainian love Ukraine and be its patriot? After all, it doesn’t occur to anyone to ask whether a child should love his mother... Why should relations between Russians and Ukrainians be reduced to everyday squabbles, I’m a Nazi face, measuring genitals, dousing with feces, etc. Why call someone’s language bullshit, and someone’s tongue is like a bullshit. After all, no one would ever think of attaching such a label to any European language, such as English. Why project the personal and psychological qualities of one hetman onto the entire people? Why should Westerners be labeled as Nazis, if in the territory of Galicia for the last 10-15 years there have been no recorded crimes committed by Ukrainians on the basis of national intolerance... I think that these are all the results of a well-planned propaganda campaign aimed at splitting fraternal peoples, weakening and collapse Russia (IMHO).
    1. +1
      7 November 2013 01: 29
      I completely agree. Indeed, it is very sad at times to read the statements of many respected forum members on the so-called “Ukrainian issue”. It seems like all sane people... If the “topic of Ukraine” is really so relevant on this respected site, it’s time to start a separate thread, like “...why I hate Ukraine” or something like that...(((
  80. +3
    6 November 2013 22: 51
    The first stage of the plan to simplify the visa regime with the EU could be completed before the summit in Vilnius. to implement the first phase of the action plan to liberalize the visa regime between Ukraine and the EU, the Ukrainian parliament must adopt a bill amending the legislative acts of Ukraine relating to preventing and combating discrimination in Ukraine (No. 2342)
    The term “sexual orientation” is introduced into Ukrainian legislation for the first time
    (Article 2 of the Labor Code). Since the appearance of the term “sexual orientation” in the Labor Code, sexual minorities are protected from discrimination.

    Under the pretext of “protection from discrimination,” homosexuals and lesbians will be able to demand not only the right to any work, but also the unhindered right to adopt children, work in kindergartens, teach homosexuality in schools, etc.
    1. roller2
      +1
      7 November 2013 00: 31
      Under the pretext of “protection from discrimination,” homosexuals and lesbians will be able to demand not only the right to any work, but also the unhindered right to adopt children, work in kindergartens, teach homosexuality in schools, etc.


      Are you already tired of your conclusions, or are you just plucking these template phrases from the Internet? Why did you write this now??? Well, they will accept the term “sexual orientation” and write it in their passports, and everyone will know who is gay and who is normal, or do we discriminate on this basis??? I didn't hear anything. You come to visit us here one day and try to call someone a faggot, you’ll probably work for medicine all your life (don’t pay attention to the Jewish flag, something pops up instead of the Ukrainian one)
  81. +1
    6 November 2013 23: 25
    Fifteen Svidomo from this article experienced butthurt.
    1. Corneli
      +1
      7 November 2013 05: 44
      Quote: Echo
      Fifteen Svidomo from this article experienced butthurt.

      And 15 Russian “patriots” (like you) are an orgasm! laughing
      Moreover, you strive to experience it every day, and sometimes several times a day. Already such slag articles have gone, well, stupidly nothing, pouring from empty to empty.
      P.S. It’s good that I took a break from the forum for at least a couple of weeks. More precisely, from reading and commenting on articles ala "another nonsense about Ukraine, which Russia absolutely does not need and is not at all interesting to Russian forum users, and that is why 3-5 articles a day are written about it with a bunch of angry comments" bully Looking at how you got Akim, I did the right thing)
      P.P.S. It’s better to talk about yet another senile outburst on the part of the Russian government. structures towards Ukraine:
      “In the Russian Federation, the group “Okean Elzy” was called illegal labor migrants and was fined during a concert.”
      "The head of the Saratov Federal Migration Service deleted the news about the fine to Okean Elzi"
      I just loved this circus lol
    2. general
      -1
      7 November 2013 17: 55
      More than 150 Russian Svidomites orgasmed to this article
  82. Sashko07
    0
    6 November 2013 23: 59
    Quote: luka095
    The yellow and blue colors of the flag are not a copy of the flag of the Austrian province. These are the colors of the Swedish flag.

    Let me remind you personally, yellow is the color of Ukrainian wheat and bread that you ate for 70 years and did not choke, and blue is the color of the sky, my sky - Ukrainian, and I will tear up every creature that comes to my land, as well as for these two colors!
    1. +7
      7 November 2013 00: 22
      Sashko07
      You're too formidable... You scared me.
      Who came to your land, lad? Who is your t.v.a.r.b?
      If there are American soldiers, I will stand next to you.
      If you said this in Russian, then you are simply a fool.
      1. roller2
        0
        7 November 2013 00: 36
        If you said this in Russian


        He doesn’t mean Russians, but the inflating interethnic crap (it has no nationality)
      2. MG42
        +4
        7 November 2013 00: 57
        Quote: Samsebenum
        If you said this in Russian

        Is it really possible to understand this differently? It’s very difficult in the trend of this thread..
        Quote: Sashko07
        bread that you ate for 70 years and didn’t choke on

        Ukraine = the breadbasket of Europe was fed with this “halva” even when they voted in the referendum in 1991. As a result, you can become a European raw material appendage because of the “high-tech” we’re coming out. the products are simply not needed in the EU, and do not comply with European standards..
        I watched the video in this thread, and of course I can add more fuel to the s.r.a.ch.a topic. but perhaps that's enough for today...
    2. Cat
      +2
      7 November 2013 00: 25
      Quote: Sashko07
      Quote: luka095
      The yellow and blue colors of the flag are not a copy of the flag of the Austrian province. These are the colors of the Swedish flag.

      Let me remind you personally, yellow is the color of Ukrainian wheat and bread that you ate for 70 years and did not choke, and blue is the color of the sky, my sky - Ukrainian, and I will tear up every creature that comes to my land, as well as for these two colors!

      with all my enormous dislike for the “Svidomites” and other “smart partisans”...
      Experts in heraldic traditions, such as luka095 - I want to sincerely spit in the face. Or even massage the ridge with a massager like a baseball bat. Schaub wasn't being clever.
      Otherwise, by analogy, we can remember that the color of the USSR flag is red for a reason. The Bolsheviks conscientiously plagiarized it from the French, and they never hid it; on the contrary, they were proud: the continuity of revolutionary traditions and all that. And if we fully follow the logic of non-comrades like the aforementioned bow095 - so, in order to further maintain continuity - all patriots of the USSR should unanimously support same-sex marriage, as well as the adoption of children by these, culturally speaking, fagots? Schazz. Twice and with a running start. No, well, experts in historical traditions can suggest such a thing, they can do it... but I would advise doing this after first diving into a tank. Buried in the ground on the territory of a neighboring state. To avoid, so to speak.
    3. +1
      7 November 2013 12: 33
      Quote: Sashko07
      Let me remind you personally, yellow is the color of Ukrainian wheat and bread that you ate for 70 years and did not choke, and blue is the color of the sky, my sky - Ukrainian, and I will tear up every creature that comes to my land, as well as for these two colors!


      No comment ...

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    4. +3
      7 November 2013 15: 35
      Funny thing about devouring bread.
      One of my firefighter acquaintances had the opportunity to study his specialty in Lvov at the dawn of independence. And there he, a resident of Lugansk, heard reproaches that he ate Ukrainian bread and spoke Russian. I note that western Ukraine is unsuitable for growing wheat, unlike the south and east.
  83. +6
    7 November 2013 00: 17
    Ukrainian patriotism must be banned...
    Leave Ukraine alone!!!!!!
    We won’t do or ban anything now.
    All! The train left...
    Everything was leading up to this.
    You had to scratch before, before.
    To a greater extent, the Kremlin’s policy would push away from Russia and tear apart even the fraternal Slavic peoples with the exception of Belarus, while Old Man is alive.
    Why come to Ukraine? Not at the address of the complaint.
    And again, the mistakes of our politicians faded into the shadows under the wave of our aggression towards Ukraine.
    1. +4
      7 November 2013 13: 36
      Well done) Couldn’t you constantly say all this to your compatriots? Otherwise I’m already tired, and Akim is so fucked up)))
      A couple of clarifications to the post.
      The train hasn't left yet. it's not that bad actually.
      I would not blame only “the Kremlin’s policy” for all our interstate problems, because our policy is no better.

      The problem is that a lot of the population of this site (and, accordingly, Russia) believe that Ukrainians owe them something. Question to Khan, Romanov and others. I am Ukrainian, what do I owe you personally? If there is a debt, send documents confirming this to the studio.
      Khan, you gave the example of Mazepa... Mazepa brought 2000 people out of about 40000 Cossacks to Karl, but according to you, ALL Ukrainians are traitors. You don’t want to say anything about the turmoil in the Moscow kingdom, what was the percentage of traitors there???
      You do not try to conduct a dialogue and understand what the interlocutor wants to tell you, you believe that there is one point of view - yours, and everything else is cave nationalism, betrayal, etc.
      Look for reasons in yourself, then in others.
  84. +6
    7 November 2013 01: 00
    Dear administrators of such a respected site!!! I suggest paying attention to articles of this kind and not letting them pass for public viewing, much less discussion on the forum. Stop harping on the topic of Ukraine!!! How can!!! Moreover, reading such nonsense from yet another “researcher” of Ukrainian statehood. Considering that the readers of your site are citizens of a friendly, I emphasize again, friendly and fraternal state called UKRAINE, posting such nonsense on your pages means expressing complete disrespect for the people of Ukraine. You can downvote, but I said everything... Thank you.
    1. VasiliyK651
      +5
      7 November 2013 01: 49
      I fully support your opinion... Life will show whether the choice was made correctly or not. But signing the association in the first place does not mean Ukraine’s automatic entry into NATO and the EU, and, moreover, turning its back on Russia both in economics and politics. We, neighbors, and this must always be understood and remembered.... Moreover, it is not a fact that the association with the EU will be signed.... Respect the choice of the neighboring one. overall a country friendly to Russia...
      1. -1
        7 November 2013 14: 48
        Quote: VasiliyK651
        I fully support your opinion ...

        I strongly disagree; the issue is of utmost importance for both countries and needs to be discussed.
        1. +1
          7 November 2013 23: 41
          Who cares??? Some representatives of Russia and Sevastopol?? I have not seen further aggressively cynical and openly confrontational statements addressed to Ukraine and its citizens on the forum... This is not a discussion, gentlemen, when the state symbols of Ukraine, language, history, culture are talked about in a derogatory manner... About the "archival" nature of the issue , unfortunately, is not narrated (((
          1. -2
            7 November 2013 23: 49
            Quote: Voodoo
            .This is not a discussion, gentlemen, when the state symbols of Ukraine, language, history, culture are told in a derogatory form...

            I agree about state symbols and culture, but it’s difficult to treat the history and language of the state of Ukraine without humor.
    2. +1
      8 November 2013 01: 35
      and I support! And I propose not only to pay attention (it’s too late to pay attention), but also to do something about the flow of “news” of this kind!
  85. MG42
    +3
    7 November 2013 01: 33
    In general, statistics are an interesting thing >> there are now 589 comments on the thread, of which 106 from Akim wassat
    Akim used to write <<don’t drag me into politics?>>
    Quote: Akim
    12 December 2012 14: 48 ↑
    klimpopov,
    You're dragging me into politics - I'm not interested

    http://topwar.ru/21914-ukrainskaya-voennaya-doktrina-v-kontekste-nacionalnoy-bez

    opasnosti-realnye-i-mnimye-ugrozy.html#comment-id-763270

    Quote: Akim
    January 10, 2013 09:47 ↑
    Alexander Romanov,
    Don't drag me into politics

    http://topwar.ru/22831-rumyniya-s-ukrainoy-net-problem.html#comment-id-822356

    In short, you got involved in Akim’s politics in full, one might say a master class..
    1. Akim
      +3
      7 November 2013 03: 14
      Quote: MG42
      In short, you got involved in Akim’s politics in full, one might say a master class..

      Yes, we got it! I endured it. endured. I haven’t even read similar topics here, but the frequency of presentation of such material and so much dirt threw me off balance! In fact, you didn’t take all the words. I said that I have my own opinion, which in many respects does not coincide with the opinion of the Russians, and I did not want to get involved in a squabble. But even in technical articles or about the Ukrainian army, they will still come up with the refrain “You will die without us!”
      And by the number of my comments I went nuts. But I don’t put cons, but answer questions or comments. This time there were a lot of them. The working day went along the boulevard yesterday.
  86. 0
    7 November 2013 01: 48
    Quote: Aryan

    oh, they will still remember Nestor Ivanovich
  87. +2
    7 November 2013 02: 25
    So their Akim - finally heard what was long overdue - a confession of Russian "Svidomism"
    This means that there are normal, adequate ones, and there are many of them. Thank you for existing, otherwise the “downers” or simple debaters “my neighbor’s cow died” are already quite boring. The same graters - I’m already rewinding them... well, just across my throat... What are you dividing then?
    I’ll go improve Russian-Ukrainian relations horizontally. feel
    hi
  88. makarov
    +3
    7 November 2013 04: 54
    Quote: Hudo
    And I know the history of my family from the time of the uprising of Kondraty Afanasyevich Bulavin, in which my ancestor participated.

    So my great-great-great-grandfather, together with Ataman Nekrasov, after the execution of Bulavin, fought for another 20 years with the tsarist/boyar regime, and then there was a long emigration according to modern times.
    If people have different views on something, then you cannot stoop to the level of balls, pouring out insults as the “highest measure of proof”, or switch to a dialogue like “! - Himself !!!” We are all different, and have different points of view, and this must be taken into account, otherwise, the persecution of dissidents.
  89. moskal68
    +2
    7 November 2013 11: 41
    Here you are, shitting yourself, and meanwhile the Olympic flame flew off into space on a rocket. I can’t even eat sausages - I’m so proud of Mother Russia!
    1. Akim
      +1
      7 November 2013 12: 08
      Quote: 68
      and meanwhile the Olympic flame flew into space on a rocket

      And at the same time, a third of Sochi residents did not have gas.
      1. +1
        7 November 2013 13: 40
        Akim, this is where you are wrong) The Olympic flame and gas are different things for Sochi residents, and both of them are an internal matter of Russia. If they think it's better that way, that's their business.
      2. 0
        7 November 2013 14: 54
        Quote: Akim
        And at the same time, a third of Sochi residents did not have gas.

        Let them do it, who's stopping them?
      3. moskal68
        +1
        7 November 2013 17: 56
        And what? Don't you believe in the greatness of Russia?
        1. Akim
          +1
          7 November 2013 20: 39
          At the Olympics80 they threw dust in the eyes of the West. it turns out nothing has changed?
          1. 0
            8 November 2013 16: 57
            Quote: Akim
            At the Olympics80 they threw dust in the eyes of the West. it turns out nothing has changed?

            Well then, as it were, they let us in together, but now _ YES, one Russia!
            But by and large, why else are the Olympics needed? Especially considering the fact that the host state (KING OF THE MOUNTAINS) has the lion's share of medals.
            laughing
          2. -2
            8 November 2013 17: 02
            Quote: Akim
            At the Olympics80 they threw dust in the eyes of the West. it turns out nothing has changed?

            Well then, as it were, they let us in together, but now _ YES, one Russia!
            But by and large, why else are the Olympics needed? Especially considering the fact that the host state (KING OF THE MOUNTAINS) has the lion's share of medals.
            laughing
  90. 0
    8 November 2013 01: 38
    Akimmmmm! Well, don’t start all this chaos again smile
    As soon as the topic died down, everyone lost their hearts. And you're pressing on the callus hi
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  92. sega72
    +2
    11 November 2013 06: 03
    We remain alone in opposition to the West, our Slavic brothers betray us, no matter how bitter it is, this is so.
  93. 0
    11 November 2013 23: 12
    "We need to live without Russia.
    It's time to become Ukrainians and fundamentally abandon Russian gas.
    It's time to boycott the Russian market.
    We must live in such a way that there is no smell of the Russian spirit in Ukraine at all.
    You have to live without Russia to understand that without it we..."

    Without Russia, you are independent Ukrainians...or maybe you decided to become Americans?

    Amer Fund Franklin Templeton bought 20% of Ukraine’s external debt. Source: Financial Times in “Franklin Templeton takes $5bn Ukraine debt gamble”.

    “In August, the fund bought Ukrainian government bonds worth $5 billion, a fifth of the country’s government debt.

    First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Sergei Arbuzov and Minister of Finance Yuriy Kolobov have already visited the fund’s headquarters in California to discuss details of further cooperation.
    1. Akim
      0
      12 November 2013 05: 32
      Quote: I am a Russian
      Amer fund Franklin Templeton bought 20% of Ukraine's external debt



      Hence the question. Why are they doing that? They won’t invest in illegal assets. 5 billion is not such a huge amount. to influence the politics of the Ukrainian economy, with its GDP of 400 billion dollars. In any case, they always benefit from the further growth of Ukrainian assets.
      1. -2
        12 November 2013 21: 12
        Quote: Akim
        Invest in illegal


        Are you seriously?

        ...let's try it differently - during the Soviet era in Ukraine they said: “We Ukrainians feed the entire Soviet Union.”
        This is true ? ...Yes or no
        1. Akim
          +1
          12 November 2013 21: 32
          Quote: I am a Russian
          : "We Ukrainians feed the entire Soviet Union."
          This is true ? ...Yes or no


          Home-grown Natsiks may have spoken. Because of my age at that time, I didn’t care. But when we had coupon-karbovantsy in the Ukrainian SSR, the regiments were indeed more well-stocked than in the neighboring Voronezh or Rostov regions
          1. 0
            12 November 2013 21: 44
            What bothers you?
            So Yes or no?
            And "-" has already rolled in
            1. Akim
              +1
              12 November 2013 22: 04
              Quote: I am a Russian
              So yes or no?


              I can confirm what I heard. In the “50/50” program, one student shouted that all the sausage was being taken to Moscow. Don't demand more from me than I realize. I never fall for media propaganda, but evaluate it with my own eyes. I was not yet at the age to give an objective assessment, and there was no point in quoting a modern interpretation.
              1. -1
                12 November 2013 22: 56
                Akim Are you from Ukraine?
                1. Akim
                  +1
                  13 November 2013 06: 47
                  Quote: I am a Russian
                  Are you from Ukraine?


                  Yes, sort of. And it always has been. Not counting short periods in Hungary (Hungary).
                  1. -2
                    13 November 2013 10: 27
                    Quote: Akim
                    Yes, sort of.

                    laughing

                    Are you a man? Or from these.... not the point... your choice.

                    this uncertainty or lack of confidence due to not knowing your “companion” is a characteristic feature of an independent
                    1. Akim
                      +1
                      13 November 2013 11: 00
                      Quote: I am a Russian
                      Are you a man? Or from these.... not the point... your choice.

                      Come to Odessa on August 2 - let's check which of us is a man. There are already such information zombies from Russia!
                      1. 0
                        13 November 2013 14: 10
                        this has already been shown... some “men” beat up veterans and other “men” looked on.

                        and let me remind you, forum fighter, so as not to forget, on May 9, 2015, WWII veterans will celebrate Victory Day. On this day, front-line soldiers meet, wreaths are laid at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, monuments of Glory and military valor.

                        Show at least that you are capable of not forgetting about May 9...ukropatriot
                      2. Akim
                        +2
                        13 November 2013 15: 53
                        Quote: I am a Russian
                        Show at least that you are capable of not forgetting about May 9...ukropatriot

                        I sympathize with your loss. It seems you didn’t understand that patriotism and nationalism are different concepts negative
                      3. -2
                        14 November 2013 17: 42
                        Quote: Akim
                        Sorry ...


                        laughing

                        save your strength for your own kind. lol he sympathizes...
                      4. Akim
                        0
                        14 November 2013 19: 54
                        Quote: I am a Russian
                        save your strength for your kind

                        I have always felt sorry for children, beggars and oppressed peoples. Now I will still feel sorry for you personally.
          2. +1
            13 November 2013 16: 06
            Akim, don’t react to this troll from an NGO, he in no way represents the opinion of brotherly Russians here.
  94. +1
    13 November 2013 16: 02
    Quote: I am a Russian
    Show at least that you are capable of not forgetting about May 9...ukropatriot

    You seem to be another NGO troll who is trying to pit fraternal peoples against each other
    1. -1
      14 November 2013 18: 07
      Quote: YARS
      ...brotherly peoples


      You remember something about brotherhood only when you read “waving your saber” on the forums.

      And when the gas was stolen, the memory disappeared somewhere.

      supply of weapons to Chechnya and sponsorship of UNA-UNSO

      “The Ukrainian authorities also almost openly hosted “peaceful” separatists pretending to be refugees from Chechnya. These people not only expressed anti-Russian views without hesitation, but, with the knowledge of the Ukrainian authorities, organized Chechen diaspora organizations to fight Russia. Chechens were given the opportunity to create their own in Ukraine public associations that do not hide their aggressiveness towards Russia and Russians."


      1. Akim
        0
        14 November 2013 19: 59
        Quote: I am a Russian
        And when the gas was stolen, the memory disappeared somewhere.

        supply of weapons to Chechnya and sponsorship of UNA-UNSO

        Personally, I sat by the pipe with buckets and pulled out the condensate. And all of us, as one, signed up to see Korchinsky. YARS is right - you are a radish.
        1. 0
          14 November 2013 23: 02
          Quote: Akim
          And all of us, as one, signed up to see Korchinsky.


          Yes ... what ...I understand...autumn relapse. You should be taken to the hospital with an arse. And you would have been cured and he would have been cured.

          And this is for you personally: Dmitry Nikolaevich Klimenko - commander of a self-propelled artillery battery of the 61st separate Kirkenes Red Banner Marine Brigade of the Red Banner Northern Fleet, major. Born on August 22, 1969 in the city of Nezhin, Chernigov region, Ukrainian SSR.

          Yaroshenko Alexander Sergeevich - head of the combat control group of the command post of the Air Force of the North Caucasus Military District, major. Born on September 21, 1962 in the city of Kharkov, Ukrainian SSR.

          They will not go to your Korchinsky
          1. Akim
            0
            15 November 2013 00: 04
            Quote: I am a Russian
            And you would have been cured and he would have been cured.

            All. Conversation is over! If Down needs a smiley face for intonation, then what to talk about. I’ll explain to those on the armored train.
            Not all of us are Natsiks and May 9th is our holiday! But modern Russia is parallel to me. This is not my country, so don't try to zombie me. And you should come to Ukraine to see everything with your own eyes, and not watch TV in the basement.
            1. -2
              15 November 2013 21: 40
              Quote: Akim
              And you come to Ukraine to see everything with your own eyes...


              Over the 9 months of this year, I spent about three weeks in Ukraine.
              Russophobia is thriving.

              Quote: Akim
              and not watch TV in the basement.

              Of course not! In the basement there is a garage and a storage room.

              Quote: Akim
              I’ll explain to those on the armored train.


              Not Yakim, I use the services of Aeroflot.