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Hollywood knows all about the death of K-129 ...

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In the 2013 year, 45 turned years since the death of the Soviet diesel-electric submarine K-129 (project 629А). In the early spring of 1968, the 98 of Soviet submariners were buried at a depth of about 5600 meters in the waters of the North Pacific. Until now (and again - more than 45 years have passed since the tragedy!) The true cause of the submarine disaster has not been named. All information about the death of sailors in Pacific waters is nothing more than a kaleidoscopic picture of disparate opinions and versions, each of which is worthy of attention, but each of them raises a large number of questions. Judgments, questions, strange facts, a thick fog of secrecy, enveloping the death of K-129 and its crew, layered over each other, sometimes resulting in very strange forms. In this material we will not put forward new theories and comment on the existing, let's say, professional versions of the death of a submarine. Now - about the other. About the next form, which causes a lot of questions.


The American filmmakers decided to present this form to the world, releasing the Phantom movie about the death of the K-129 boat this year, directed by Todd Robinson. No, of course, we had previously guessed that Hollywood screenwriters, directors and producers, as they say, do not bother about compliance historical accuracy and documentary in their films, especially if the films are dedicated to Soviet (Russian) reality. But this time it was still an overkill. It would seem that “Phantom” is a feature film, and therefore (well, at least today it has become customary to think so), it may not pretend to be a historically verified description, and it’s not possible to criticize its creators for unnecessarily moving away from any realities need to. But the fact is that Todd Robinson himself decided to show the viewer that his film is the real version of the reasons for the tragedy that happened with the Soviet submarine in 1968. Robinson shows this, without delay, at the beginning of the film with promising captions: "the film is based on real events."

Hollywood knows all about the death of K-129 ...


We recently discussed here a picture of Fyodor Bondarchuk “Stalingrad”, and there were quite a few readers who reproached the Russian director for deviating from the image of the Battle of Stalingrad itself, and trying to emphasize interpersonal relations. At the same time, many wrote that it would have been better to have called the film somehow differently, if they did not intend to show the battle in detail. But the fact of the matter is that Bondarchuk did not seem to announce his “Stalingrad” as a picture with a sustained historical line, as a work that seeks to show the Battle of Stalingrad, as they say, one to one.

Hollywood gentlemen such subtleties, as it turned out, do not care. Someone from "Dream Factory" somewhere heard about the tragedy that befell the Soviet submarine in 1968 year, and decided that this could make money by supplying the film with classic American cliches about the Land of Soviets, KGB agents and grotesque characters with the constant addition of melodramatic lines.

I do not want to create this picture of additional advertising, but it is also impossible to pass by it. Why? The fact is that such films (about the USSR and Russia) are watched not only in the USA. The grateful viewer, obviously, can be found among us (and representatives of the younger generation as well). And if there is such a viewer, then he may get the impression that the submariners are exactly as shown by the American director Robinson, and that the submarine performed exactly the mission that was put forward in Hollywood in the waters of the world ocean.

So, in brief, what the picture is about ... The picture is about how a Soviet naval officer, who in past misdeeds (ordered to lock up part of the crew in the burning compartment of the submarine), didn’t have at his disposal a new submarine and stayed on land until for several years he was sent to the same boat on which the tragedy occurred. Moreover, they were sent for the mission, about which he did not know, but the officers of the State Security Committee, who were mixed with the rest of the crew, knew very well. The plan of KGB agents (where, without them, in a typical American film about our country) was the following: in the agreed area, launch a nuclear missile strike against the American enemy, covering up the secret development of the Phantom special services, which would give a Soviet strike for the Chinese, and then the nuclear war would begin between the USA and the PRC ...

From all this nonsense, based, as filmmakers say, "on real events" we can single out only one episode that is connected with reality: K-129 in 1968, in fact, carried nuclear weapon (P-21 ballistic missiles, as well as nuclear-powered torpedoes). The rest of the real events, of course, far from the events presented by the writers.

Well, God be with him - with the "secret phantom apparatus" Phantom "and, God forgive me, with the nuclear war between the USA and China, which the KGB officers" wanted "to organize. In the film, there are already enough mistakes that will not only cut vision and hearing for submariners, but also to any person who is at least casually interested in military service in the Soviet (Russian) army and navy.

In the picture there are so many inconsistencies and frankly disregarding attitude of its authors to historical reality, that according to this indicator it can be easily nominated for the award “The Best Collection of 2013 Blunders”.

Sailors demonstrate a military salute, putting a hand, as they say, to an “empty” head. One could assume that without a headdress the young men-sailors, who came into the fleet yesterday or the day before yesterday, "fluttered" with their hands, but in the foreground are senior Soviet officers ...



Next - appeal "captain". Simply - the captain ... Well, well, that at least not "cap" or "my captain." That is, if we do not assume that the Soviet "captain" has the name of Demi, which is somewhat not characteristic of our "longitudes and latitudes", and has an age (judging by the actor Ed Harris who is not particularly grimaced), which would be enough for two captains .. Basically, the film also has a KGB agent performed by David Duchovny - a certain Bruni. With that last name, and in the KGB? .. But there is also Alex on the submarine. Or maybe these are operational pseudonyms? .. Alex or Eustace ... But still these are trifles ...

The semi-order-semi-statement of the fact of the “captain” Demi “ the same Captain Evidence that is pacing over the Internet today ...

Certainly, it touches the scene of the wedding of a Soviet naval officer (in military uniform with orders on his jacket) and a simple Soviet girl in an Orthodox church in 1968 ... At least because it touches that a Soviet submariner visits the temple when could stay without epaulets. But that's why we decided that this is an Orthodox church? The priest in it seems to be almost Orthodox, but only in the church there are wooden benches - such as are usually installed in a Catholic church. And the priest with candles in the background suspiciously resembles a sort of Polish priest ...

No longer touches me, but frankly surprises the scene when married get thrown kissing in the temple so that any abbot at this moment should at least blush ... But it turned out Robinson's father, not one of those. Why should he blush at the sight of a passionately kiss in his own church, if he can afford to hold a wedding ceremony with the participation of a Soviet submarine officer ...



In one of the episodes of the film, a person, being on a Soviet warship, utters the phrase “yes, I swam”, talking about his past connected with submarines. There is nothing to say here, because in the Soviet and Russian fleets only that can hardly be directly related to ships ... Here, of course, it was not so much American cinematographers who tried our own translators, let's say, “master” dubbing .

There are other amazing moments in the movie "Phantom", we recall, "based on real events," as its creators say. One of these moments is that the military sailor, who is a member of the crew of a Soviet submarine, carrying nuclear missiles as weapons, says he has claustrophobia at the moment he needs to get into the missile shaft. But literally a few minutes before in the same film they said that this was an experienced sailor ... One can only guess how he managed to gain "experience" while serving on a submarine with a constant fear of closed space. Or he, following the vocabulary of the film, “sailed” on a submarine solely on the surface, standing at the wheelhouse and scared to dive ...

The apogee of the film "Phantom" is the thoughts of the "captain" Demi in an interview with the KGB officer Bruni that Americans will not respond to the nuclear provocation of the "Chinese", because the quote: "Americans put human life above all!" in the midst of the US-Vietnamese war, when US Army soldiers literally poured thousands of civilians with napalm on their heads, they ironed cities with carpet bombings, when about 60 thousand people did not return to the US, and more than 300 thousand became disabled. Put a person's life above all else? .. Yeah ...

Throughout the film, one can observe how the commander of a submarine during the long march “refills” with rum, just like the regular hero of Robert Louis Stevenson’s works, knowing that at that moment the KGB officers were on the submarine. In addition, Demi suffers from epilepsy, which, as explained in the tape, he hid from the authorities, giving bribes to the medical board ... Hard! The commander of the Soviet submarine with nuclear weapons on board constantly lays behind the collar, and even the old epileptic, as many people know, but the authorities are not aware of this very captain of the first rank Demi ...

In general, after such a film, its authors should apologize to the relatives of those Soviet sailors, for whom X-NUMX years ago, K-45 became an underwater sarcophagus, which, by the way, Americans tried to lift 129 from the ocean day during the super-expensive Azorian Project ( operation "Jennifer"). Raised in order to gain access to Soviet missiles and code books. But neither one nor the other of the United States could not get it, because during the ascent the boat literally broke in half, and only the nasal section in which the bodies of 1974 sailors were found was lifted. Their Americans “reburied” by staging a magnificent ceremony with the American and Soviet anthem and flag of the USSR Navy, apparently trying to present their interest in K-6 exclusively as a humanitarian mission. As they say, the focus of Americans on the show, even when the mission failed, is simply amazing ...
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  1. Canep
    Canep 5 November 2013 09: 03
    44
    We need to make a true film about the Vietnam War, the capture of Grenada, and other US war crimes.
    And I’ll watch this film, I’m interested, maybe I can find more jambs. But the woman wasn’t accidentally a boatswain on the boat; for the sake of completeness, only women on the Soviet boat are missing.
    1. Civil
      Civil 5 November 2013 09: 48
      19
      Judging by this garbage movie, Barin and Bodarchuk Jr. have much to strive for, so to speak, to reach the heights of idiocy ...
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 5 November 2013 16: 40
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        Judging by this garbage movie, Barin and Bodarchuk Jr. have much to strive for, so to speak, to reach the heights of idiocy ...


        The close circle of the President of the country Vladimir Putin is dissatisfied with the results of the work of Vladimir Medinsky, who was personally responsible from the Government for the supervision of the filming of the film "Stalingrad" by Fyodor Bondarchuk. According to an API source, Vladimir Putin personally set Medinsky to do everything to make the film appear on the screens "glorifying the spirit of the Russian people on the example of the Battle of Stalingrad and carrying a patriotic fervor to the masses". Vladimir Medinsky did not cope with the task. This is what they considered in the Presidential Administration and the close circle of the President.
        According to unconfirmed information, at a government meeting on cultural issues, one of the Presidential aides even uttered an angry phrase:
        "Medinsky had to do everything for us to shoot a patriotic film, and not low-standard fiction, in which Russian soldiers look like idiots, and Russian women are prostitutes, ready to sell their homeland for a piece of bread".

        link

        touches the scene of the wedding of a Soviet naval officer (in military uniform with orders on a tunic) and a simple Soviet girl in an Orthodox church in 1968 ... At least because it touches that a Soviet submarine officer visits the church at a time when he could easily have visited for such a visit to remain without shoulder straps.


        My grandmother secretly baptized me from my father, God forbid anyone who finds out, the Communist Officer and the church all the more so the wedding at that time is nonsense. There was such an anecdote, a neighbor of a major officer reported where it is necessary that when he goes to work he overshadows himself with a cross. That was called as they say and why, Why? He says I do everything according to the charter, first I check the correct location of the headgear, then the presence of asterisks on shoulder straps and the correct location of the harness belt.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 5 November 2013 16: 45
          +6
          Immortal phrase !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laughing
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 5 November 2013 20: 13
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            Immortal phrase !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laughing

            Hi Sanya! laughing Well, thank you! Already a string, so a string laughing good
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 November 2013 16: 53
          10
          Alexander Fedorovich Fen is a veteran of the Battle of Stalingrad. A tank driver. In the ranks of the Red Army since the age of 19 he has been fighting for the city together with city militias. Destroys three enemy tanks and gets wounded. After the battles of Stalingrad, he participated in the Battle of Kursk. He liberated Ukraine, Romania, Belarus (in particular, Minsk), Lithuania, Latvia. He finished fighting in the Polish city of Gdynia. During the years of the war he destroyed 12 German tanks and received 4 wounds. He was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky, orders of the Patriotic War of the 1st and 2nd degree, three orders of the Red Star, the order "For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR" 3rd degree, the medal "For Courage", the medal "For Military Merit", the medal "For the Defense of Stalingrad", the medal "For the Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945."
          His review of the film Stalingrad

          1. 0255
            0255 5 November 2013 21: 43
            +5
            and here's another opinion of Dmitry "Goblin" Puchkov about "Stalingrad".
          2. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 5 November 2013 23: 41
            +2
            I absolutely agree with the words of the veteran!
            Homeland! us! and the whole world needs to show a high-budget large-scale real historical war film about Stalingrad!
            and unfriendly high-budget stories with an admixture of special effects of the Hollywood action movie (this is all very good and in its own way interesting and not bad, but not at all) everyone doesn’t need it now! again swelled a lot of money not WTO what you need !! Since the collapse of the Union, not one worthy historical film of a world level has been made about the participation of the USSR in the Second World War! and the world continues to judge us by the Hollywood films of pseudo-historical creativity like (the enemy is near the warot) and Russian (the citadel), or such completely fables like this (phantom)
            We need historical films about the Battle of Kursk about the Stalengrad battle for the Crimea, the Caucasus, Belorussia! about the war itself, about the pain and horror of war, about the heroic feat of the whole people!
            urgently needed while still alive those who saw it all with their own eyes and while the milky generation of the former USSR still completely didn’t rebuild on the Hollywood worldview tracks !! - we need Spielberg’s scale film about the (Private Area) and our old films about the war but in a new shell of new movie technologies !! to show the true history of the war across the ocean and not the beautiful artistic fiction of various directors!
        3. Shur
          Shur 5 November 2013 23: 30
          +2
          Good joke. But this filmets is simply watered, is it not wine? Propaganda is worse than in the Reich. Berdanchuk (so as not to disgrace the name of his glorious pope) took off his second great creation with whose money? Great Director. I don’t even understand, is this a movie, or is it like a comic book? For the ninth company, he had to put it in the snout for good. So ... have a bright memory of the guys ..
          1. 0255
            0255 6 November 2013 22: 41
            +3
            For the ninth company, he had to put it in the snout for good.

            that's for sure. In fact, in the 9th company, only 6 people died, they were supported by artillery, and several more units pulled themselves up to help. And they saved many soldiers' lives, and not like in the film, that almost all died.
            What did Bondarchuk want to show in the "Ninth Company"? How beautifully Soviet technology explodes? What warrant officers are shell-shocked? What is hazing in the Soviet army? I doubt that the participants in the battle at altitude 3234 liked this movie negative
            If Bondarchuk has already decided to "kill" all the fighters, then it would be better to shoot a film about captured Soviet soldiers in Pakistan, who in captivity raised a mutiny and destroyed many Mujahideen, Pakistani military, 6 American instructors and several Pakistani tanks, and then blew themselves up in the arsenal together with "perfume".
            And, given that "9th company" was filmed about the Airborne Forces, then another question for Bondarchuk - WHY THE HEROES OF THE FILM HAVE NEVER JUMPED EVEN WITH EVEN IN LEARNING ??? !!!
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 5 November 2013 10: 01
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      Quote: Canep
      We need to make a true film about the Vietnam War,

      Not necessarily about Vietnam? The main thing is to pay back with the same coin! Well, for example, make a film about their submariners. They must have a captain with bluish manners and address subordinates with the phrase "Harry, darling, turn up the speed", the names of Harry and other valiant sailors of the US Navy should sound something like this "Harry VODKIN or Bill Kalashnikov" will this be a good find for the director? ( if the film will be filmed - I give my idea)! In the command compartment, the officers of the Americans must imposingly half-sit-half-lie in their chairs, casually throwing their knives on the control panels and buttons with rotary keys for launching nuclear and other missiles!
      View of the sailors should be slightly moronic, why? I EXPLAIN, we as well as they think of us as stereotypes! For us, the American stereotype is a kind of dashing cowboy who shoots first and then tries to figure out what he really wanted from him ???
      Yes, you can also not be shy with alcohol, let them gin after changing shifts and smoke weed while riding on torpedo tubes!
      DEAR BONDARCHUK, please make a film about US submariners!
      And now absolutely seriously. The United States is mired in lies and double standards, the latest political scandals are clear evidence of this! So what can you expect from their mouthpiece under the catchy name HOLLYWOOD?
      1. Canep
        Canep 5 November 2013 10: 08
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        Quote: Arberes
        DEAR BONDARCHUK, please make a film about US submariners!

        I join, can we write a collective letter to Fyodor Sergeevich? Only the film should be with all possible special effects and other tinsel of box office products. I think Bondarchuk will cope, but on the posters it was written “From the creators of Stalingrad and the 9th Company.” But will he agree?
        PS The scene in which the ICBM starts spontaneously due to a spilled cup of coffee (cola), and the Americans are looking for panic codes for ICBMs in panic and call the Pentagon on their mobile phone (iPhone 5) for clarification.
        1. Vasia kruger
          Vasia kruger 5 November 2013 10: 20
          +7
          And if God forbid, he will get a good film? Maybe he can only shoot cranberries about us?
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 5 November 2013 10: 21
          10
          Quote: Canep
          I join, can we write a collective letter to Fedor Sergeyevich?

          Sure, not a problem! The main thing is to convince him of the adequacy of our thinking?

          Quote: Canep
          Only a film should be with all possible special effects and other tinsel cash products.

          But how could it be otherwise, now the whole box office is holding on to special effects!

          Quote: Canep
          But will he agree?

          We will try to convince you! Is the script almost ready? It remains to work out the details (American slang, where their favorite expression sounds through each word "ASS", more square jaws and that everyone would chew gum) Well, if that is possible and will be dropped by a little by all MILITARY REVIEW?
          1. Spstas1
            Spstas1 5 November 2013 22: 23
            +2
            Comrades, did not the presence of Mr. Duchovny in the film cheer you up? Simply in the translation it was necessary to indicate "X-Files-3. Mulder in the Ocean". But in conspiracy theories, the hypothesis has repeatedly surfaced that under the guise of raising the Soviet submarine, the Americans actually raised UFOs.
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 5 November 2013 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          I join, can we write a collective letter to Fedor Sergeyevich?


          The site change.org a petition is published as follows (briefly)
          On October 10, 2013, F. Bondarchuk's film "Stalingrad" was released in the Russian Federation. This film is also planned for wide international distribution. The film was actually entirely filmed with state funds in the amount of 1 billion rubles. In Russia, this film caused a wave of anger among the viewers who watched it (examples of responses from the veterans of Stalingrad, as well as from Volgograd residents who were in besieged Stalingrad throughout the battle). In the film, the Nazi troops completely captured Stalingrad. The Soviet Army is on the other side of the Volga and is trying to cross the river to recapture the city. A group of six scouts manages to occupy one of the houses, which is located opposite the place where the Soviet troops were crossing. In this house they are neighbors with the girl Katya - one of the surviving residents of the house. The entire film shows the events unfolding in this house. Bondarchuk calls this house "Gromov's House" - after the name of the commander of a group of Soviet soldiers shown in the film. The following are the reasons that caused the bewilderment and anger of moviegoers who watched it.
          The image of Soviet soldiers. In the film they are shown as professional, strong and agile, but at the same time stupid and unpredictable people who constantly commit illogical acts.
          The patriotism of Soviet soldiers is shown as low.
          The main good character is the fascist officer Peter Kahn.
          The attitude of residents towards each other is shown as negative, mutual assistance is completely absent.
          The attitude of residents towards Soviet soldiers is shown as slightly negative.
          The attitude of Soviet soldiers to the population is shown as slightly negative.
          The attitude of the locals towards the Germans is shown as neutral or positive.

          The attitude of Soviet soldiers to each other in the film is shown as sharply negative.
          The attitude of German soldiers to the population is shown as good
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 5 November 2013 17: 07
            +7
            In this regard, and also due to the fact that the film was shot exclusively with the money of the Kino Foundation and the VTB Capital structure indirectly controlled by the state, we, the undersigned, turn to the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky with the following requirements:

            * bring to justice the persons who made the decision to finance the film "Stalingrad" and consider the question of their lifelong exclusion from commissions and councils that decide on the allocation of public funds for making films;
            bring to justice the members of the council, which checked the historical authenticity of the film "Stalingrad";
            * prohibit movie rental in the Russian Federation;
            * prohibit movie rental abroad;
            * cancel the film's application for the Oscar;
            * require the transfer of part of the proceeds from the rental of the film to the fund of veterans of the Great Patriotic War.
            You can read and sign the petition completely on the website link
            1. 0255
              0255 5 November 2013 21: 47
              0
              You can read and sign the petition in full on the website link

              people, we all sign it! Personally, I signed it. But will there be any sense in her?
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 5 November 2013 21: 57
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              In this regard, and also due to the fact that the film was shot exclusively with the money of the Kino Foundation and the VTB Capital structure indirectly controlled by the state, we, the undersigned, turn to the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky with the following requirements:


              I'm afraid this call will leave like water in the sand ...
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 5 November 2013 21: 48
            0
            Hmm, of course I risk being completely blotted out, but it seems to me that the claims cited by you, dear Ascetic, are absolutely groundless, the people who put forward them apparently did not understand the film. I’ll explain my point of view: I watched the film no more than yesterday, this is what I saw:
            Quote: Ascetic
            The image of Soviet soldiers. In the film they are shown as professional, strong and agile, but at the same time stupid and unpredictable people who constantly commit illogical acts.

            They can’t be called stupid Soviet soldiers, they didn’t commit any illogical acts - if only to consider an attempt to save civilians, whom the Germans apparently wanted to shoot or burn as a mother and daughter, an illogical act, then yes, the only question is whether simple people can Russian people just sit and watch how they burn children with women alive?
            Quote: Ascetic
            The patriotism of Soviet soldiers is shown as low.

            I wonder why patriotism is low? They were ordered to keep the house with tiny forces against a perfectly armed and numerically superior enemy and they, hell, are holding it, the alarmist is the only one and they will instantly shoot him. What else should patriotism be expressed in the war - they are ordered to beat the enemy and they beat!
            Quote: Ascetic
            The main good character is the fascist officer Peter Kahn.

            This is, excuse me, nonsense, not even nonsense !!! You need to look for a bigger beast than the dear Herr Kahn! Only this is a civilized beast, you understand, he has the concept of "honor". He also kind of "loves" the Russian girl Masha - she looks like his wife, so she liked him, and so she is for him, an intelligent domestic animal, only in the end something similar to an understanding erupted, and even then not much Kan does not consider Russians as people at all - that is how animals speak.
            Quote: Ascetic
            The attitude of residents towards Soviet soldiers is shown as slightly negative.
            The attitude of Soviet soldiers to the population is shown as slightly negative.

            Also, excuse me, nonsense, with what population did our soldiers communicate? With mom and daughter, who did not want to be allowed back to the quarter occupied by the Germans? (as time has shown absolutely rightly) Or maybe with the girl Masha, who also wanted to be taken off the front line to the rear? And the population itself, as shown, its way of life and relationships, so to speak? Three minutes of screen time, unless you can only show it in time and not reveal it at all, but the fact that Masha is negatively treated, it’s understandable - a German boyfriend ... And where is it that our civilians are nice to the Germans? Afraid - yes, quietly hate - yes too.
          3. Albert1988
            Albert1988 5 November 2013 21: 48
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            Quote: Ascetic
            The attitude of Soviet soldiers to each other in the film is shown as sharply negative.

            Well, this is also fundamentally wrong, well, where are they negatively related to each other? Is the commander supposed to lisp? Well, there is a cynical hero, but he is there alone, and then his similar behavior is very well explained later - partly by himself, partly offscreen voice. And so, at least I saw the five men who stand like a rock for each other and do what the situation and the concept of honor require of them, they have something really real, unlike Kahn and his lousy beast colonel!
            Quote: Ascetic
            The attitude of German soldiers to the population is shown as good

            This just kills - where ?! WHERE?! there is a good attitude of the Germans to the population ??? !!! They declared the mother and daughter "Jews" and burned them alive? Maybe this is the good attitude of the Germans towards the population? Or maybe the Colonel's words "She's rubbish or garbage" or "We will clear this area of ​​trash and garbage" about the Russians is the expression "good attitude"?
            PS If the criticism of the participant in the battle should be accepted, although it concerned the concept of the film rather than its content, then after reading such comments, I begin to doubt whether I watched Stalingrad.
            PPS In general, to thoroughly and reliably show the Battle of Stalingrad, you need a minimum trilogy of 3,5 hour films, but rather all hexology, and not just one two-hour film.
            1. Shur
              Shur 6 November 2013 00: 34
              0
              Albert did you watch the movie literally perceiving or as a metaphor?
              In fact, this is such a dense mess that even Ascetic wrote (cited a quote) describes the real situation a little. The veteran pointed out the ROOT INTERPRETATION OF EVENTS in the ROOT, both semantic and conditional. And briefly describe the main idea of ​​the film. Just give at least something intelligible, what is he talking about?
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 6 November 2013 19: 22
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                Quote: Shur
                And briefly describe the main idea of ​​the film. Just give at least something intelligible, what is he talking about?

                If it is simple and primitive, then the film is about the defense of one particular house on the banks of the Volga. And in parallel there are two lines - the line of Soviet soldiers who defend this house with a very small number, and on the other hand the line of Germans, who are many who are better armed, and who cannot smoke a handful of ours from this house, but to kill civilians with sophistication - Yes, they are the masters. And I think that if you, dear Shur, watched the film yourself, you should have seen it.
                Quote: Shur
                Albert did you watch the movie literally perceiving or as a metaphor?

                Before watching the film, I read a couple of articles about him, including a brief interview with Bondarchuk, who said in plain text that he wanted to show a SMALL EPISODE of the Battle of Stalingrad, and to show it summarized - without specifics, but Pavlov’s House is recognized, I think, without any problems, He also said that the main thing he wanted was to TRANSFER THE ATMOSPHERE of the city captured by the enemy, where the front line runs literally through the streets, so I watched the film coming down from these postulates.
                As for the interpretation of events - of course, you can show the whole battle as a whole, but the question is: how many films and how long must be put in order to show the Battle of Stalingrad unconditionally? Just remember our old and good film "Only" old men "go into battle (by the way, one of my favorite films or" The Dawns Here Are Quiet "- that's what these films are about? What is happening there? That's right - there human relationships and characters are shown! And war is only the circumstances for these relations and the condition for the disclosure of characters!
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 6 November 2013 19: 52
                0
                And then, the criticism of the veteran lies only in the fact that the battle for the city itself is not shown, it is already essentially captured by the Germans, and that the events were moved - the Germans in the city in the fall, and this is the most negative moment of the film - could and not distort the chronology of events.
                Also, here is the relationship between a German and a Russian girl - the question arises - do people generally watch the film and listen to the dialogues? Does she meet Fritz with open arms? Yes, she can't even see him at first! Even with a knife she hid around the corner, and the food that he carries to her is distributed to neighbors. Only at the very end, something similar to reciprocal feelings is cut through, and that is not a fact. And the German himself "loves" not her, but the ghost of the German woman's wife! Take a closer look at the corresponding episodes and listen attentively to their "dialogues", then everything will immediately become clear!
                The Germans in the film are simply omitted, sorry for the expression! These well-armed and well-trained killers first give in to a small number of our burning ones! soldiers and flee throwing a perfectly fortified position! Then these Fritz cannot recapture one single house in which a handful of our soldiers have settled!
                And finally - yes, the battle itself as a whole, as in the same "Liberation" we are not shown, and nevertheless there are excellent moments when the camera shows the city from a height, and it is certainly clear that a massive battle is taking place on a huge territory.
                And here is my observation - did you notice that there is not a single bed scene in the film? That there is not a single kiss sucking on the background of explosions stretched for 15 minutes and other pink snot, without which no current film can do?
        4. Shur
          Shur 6 November 2013 00: 17
          0
          For our money, he will remove everything.
      2. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 5 November 2013 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: Arberes
        Quote: Canep
        We need to make a true film about the Vietnam War,

        Not necessarily about Vietnam? The main thing is to pay back with the same coin! Well, for example, make a film about their submariners. They must have a captain with bluish manners and address subordinates with the phrase "Harry, darling, turn up the speed", the names of Harry and other valiant sailors of the US Navy should sound something like this "Harry VODKIN or Bill Kalashnikov" will this be a good find for the director? ( if the film will be filmed - I give my idea)! In the command compartment, the officers of the Americans must imposingly half-sit-half-lie in their chairs, casually throwing their knives on the control panels and buttons with rotary keys for launching nuclear and other missiles!
        View of the sailors should be slightly moronic, why? I EXPLAIN, we as well as they think of us as stereotypes! For us, the American stereotype is a kind of dashing cowboy who shoots first and then tries to figure out what he really wanted from him ???
        Yes, you can also not be shy with alcohol, let them gin after changing shifts and smoke weed while riding on torpedo tubes!
        DEAR BONDARCHUK, please make a film about US submariners!
        And now absolutely seriously. The United States is mired in lies and double standards, the latest political scandals are clear evidence of this! So what can you expect from their mouthpiece under the catchy name HOLLYWOOD?

        In Soviet times, we were also distinguished by films with stereotypes (Well, for example, "Solitary Campaign", etc.) - American soldiers drank, laid their feet, etc. Perhaps we were also not accurate with the form and order. But now it really looks strange - as if filmed in the 70s. What the author said was that the film was based on events - had the right - there was an event - the boat sank, and everything else can be thought of. Although I'd rather give the boat a different number
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 5 November 2013 12: 26
          +5
          Quote: DoctorOleg
          In Soviet times, we were also distinguished by films with stereotypes (Well, for example, "Solitary Campaign", etc.) - American soldiers drank, laid their feet, etc.

          "Solo Swimming". I watched this movie. Much is forgiven there since the base existed de facto and was commanded by one crazy underdog from a Vietnamese company? But that would be such discipline on the submarines and other liberties here we did not sink to their level!
        2. smile
          smile 5 November 2013 12: 33
          +3
          Doctorleg
          Well, "Solitary Voyage" is our only film of this kind, to compare one film and more than a half-century layer of terry propaganda lies about us, which is not going to diminish, somehow incorrect, or something ... and even then - in this film only American rebel fighters were considered enemies, not Americans in general.
          And with such tolerances in interpreting real events, you can go a long way; we don’t make films about how we bombed Pearl Harbor, from where the Americans supposedly were going to help fascist Germany in the war against us ... Thus, forcing the Yankees to become Germany’s adversary - we have the right, the fleet was sunk in the database. :)))
          1. Canep
            Canep 5 November 2013 13: 56
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Well Solo Voyage is our only film of its kind.

            There was also the film "Cry of the Dolphin" Dzhegarkhanyan and Banionis in the lead roles. As soon as I remembered, only a few slides from this film remained in my memory, on one of them Dzhegarkhanyan and So rob a cruise ship. I'll review it at home.
            1. smile
              smile 5 November 2013 18: 36
              +2
              Canep
              Exactly, it was. I read a book. You see, the whole site remembered only two works. :))) And the difference between our propaganda and theirs is that ours never said that all Americans are savages, animals, ignoramuses and radishes in general, and American cinema is still reading it.
      3. sancho
        sancho 5 November 2013 14: 09
        +7
        +1000 Good idea! Bondarchuk in 3D will do great. I’ll add from myself, to them a couple of women in the boat, so slender and blond, naturally with an unconventional orientation, on whom the sailors do not pay attention after a month-long hike because they are gay. (WITH) lol

        And, in general, if you seriously look at this topic, the conclusion suggests itself: - For a long time everyone has known that there is no normal nation a priori. The only one was, so they drove the rest into the reservation. Everything else is rabble from all over the world, which was mixed together, lost its roots and nat. traditions. Hence the Hollywood pearls - horror films, hoaxes, catastrophes, terrorist projects (which by the way are used by Bin Laden) and other schizophrenia. None of our Russian émigrés got into people there. Sakharov at the end of his life, too, pulled from there, nastalgated. And, for such scenarios that do not fundamentally reflect the essence and truth, you just need to file an international court of defamation and defaming the honor of the sailors and their memory! hi
      4. ed65b
        ed65b 5 November 2013 15: 45
        +2
        Quote: Arberes
        Quote: Canep
        We need to make a true film about the Vietnam War,

        Not necessarily about Vietnam? The main thing is to pay back with the same coin! Well, for example, make a film about their submariners. They must have a captain with bluish manners and address subordinates with the phrase "Harry, darling, turn up the speed", the names of Harry and other valiant sailors of the US Navy should sound something like this "Harry VODKIN or Bill Kalashnikov" will this be a good find for the director? ( if the film will be filmed - I give my idea)! In the command compartment, the officers of the Americans must imposingly half-sit-half-lie in their chairs, casually throwing their knives on the control panels and buttons with rotary keys for launching nuclear and other missiles!
        View of the sailors should be slightly moronic, why? I EXPLAIN, we as well as they think of us as stereotypes! For us, the American stereotype is a kind of dashing cowboy who shoots first and then tries to figure out what he really wanted from him ???
        Yes, you can also not be shy with alcohol, let them gin after changing shifts and smoke weed while riding on torpedo tubes!
        DEAR BONDARCHUK, please make a film about US submariners!
        And now absolutely seriously. The United States is mired in lies and double standards, the latest political scandals are clear evidence of this! So what can you expect from their mouthpiece under the catchy name HOLLYWOOD?

        And be sure to cowboy hats leather pants with fringe and chewing tobacco savory spitting on the floor.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 5 November 2013 16: 01
          +4
          Why take something off, everything is already taken off. Case in square 36-80.
      5. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 5 November 2013 16: 24
        +4
        The most interesting thing is that in our films, their military men are surprisingly believable.
      6. 0255
        0255 5 November 2013 21: 45
        +1
        surnames of Harry and other gallant sailors of the US Navy should sound something like this "Harry VODKIN or Bill Kalashnikov" will this be a good find for the director?

        it is strange that the Americans did not think of giving the name Vodkin to the Russian bad hero of their film ...
      7. Shur
        Shur 6 November 2013 00: 16
        0
        Rather, these states began with lies and live on it. I don’t know who we respect F. Bondarchuk, but Dad was clearly disgraced. He is called to shoot on ... but no more. He has nothing to drink. Their dream factory was generally created with dirty money. And if he had shot a feature film, then why would he choose such an important and holy theme for the people? I would take it off on a different background, if nothing had changed.
    3. APES
      APES 5 November 2013 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      We need to make a true movie


      Oddly enough, but in 1997, Hollywood made a decent film about Russian submariners:

      "Hostile waters"

      recommend
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 20: 18
        +1
        Quote: APES
        Quote: Canep
        We need to make a true movie


        Oddly enough, but in 1997, Hollywood made a decent film about Russian submariners:

        "Hostile waters"

        recommend

        Well this is how to say ...
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 5 November 2013 21: 19
        0
        Quote: APES
        Oddly enough, but in 1997, Hollywood made a decent film about Russian submariners:

        So they have already shot a normal film about K-19 quite a long time ago, with Charison Ford in the title role, why again I don’t understand some kind of murray, at least kill ...
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 5 November 2013 21: 38
          +1
          Quote: Albert1988
          Quote: APES
          Oddly enough, but in 1997, Hollywood made a decent film about Russian submariners:

          So they have already shot a normal film about K-19 quite a long time ago, with Charison Ford in the title role, why again I don’t understand some kind of murray, at least kill ...

          That's right, what's "relative" ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 5 November 2013 22: 02
            +1
            Quote: Peaceful military
            That's right, what's "relative" ...

            I completely agree - I’ll even add that it’s very relative, but for them it was just a breakthrough! The Russians did not drink vodka in bottles on board the warship and did not dance a squat! And now what was removed? With the last film, it wasn’t near))
    4. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 5 November 2013 12: 57
      +6
      Quote: Canep
      interested, maybe I can find more jambs.

      Weeds and in the article. On the submarine - COMMANDER, because it is a warship, not a civilian vessel. In the Pacific Fleet, "captain" used to sound almost like an insult. It's like calling a captain of the third rank "Major".
    5. crasever
      crasever 5 November 2013 13: 11
      +4
      I agree with the respected Minesweeper - the film is very necessary, but not about the crimes of the Amerov military, but about how our red-star falcons, led by Colonel Pepelyaev, gave these "world liberators" a light in the sky of Korea ...
    6. air wolf
      air wolf 5 November 2013 13: 19
      +6
      Only in movie consultants to attract and attract the real military, not the pigeons from show business lol
    7. ed65b
      ed65b 5 November 2013 15: 43
      0
      Quote: Canep
      We need to make a true film about the Vietnam War, the capture of Grenada, and other US war crimes.
      And I’ll watch this film, I’m interested, maybe I can find more jambs. But the woman wasn’t accidentally a boatswain on the boat; for the sake of completeness, only women on the Soviet boat are missing.

      Stone has already withdrawn his Platoon.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 21: 35
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        Quote: Canep
        We need to make a true film about the Vietnam War, the capture of Grenada, and other US war crimes.
        And I’ll watch this film, I’m interested, maybe I can find more jambs. But the woman wasn’t accidentally a boatswain on the boat; for the sake of completeness, only women on the Soviet boat are missing.

        Stone has already withdrawn his Platoon.

        But this film is local, like, for example, bits of this shame, horror and madness in Forrest Gump ...
    8. evgenii67
      evgenii67 5 November 2013 15: 54
      +3
      Thanks to the author! But do not be so dramatic and without knowing it, to make an advertisement for a stupid film (it’s just that young people who love American cinema are sitting on VO), read up to "The sailors demonstrate a military salute by putting their hand on what is called an" empty "head." in general, in fact, now we are discussing a Russophobe with children's thinking, but rich enough to make a film. P.S. let this Russophobe go with his picture.
    9. kaktus
      kaktus 5 November 2013 16: 14
      0
      "for the sake of completeness, only women on the Soviet boat are missing."
      And "multi-colored" wassat
    10. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 5 November 2013 16: 22
      +2
      There is a lack of a "blue" speaker, some kind of Andy.
    11. Baemaley99
      Baemaley99 5 November 2013 20: 48
      0
      No, not a woman. Most likely homosexual.
    12. MAKCs
      MAKCs 6 November 2013 11: 08
      0
      Quote: Canep
      But the woman wasn’t accidentally a boatswain on the boat; for the sake of completeness, only women on the Soviet boat are missing.

      Still a negro is not enough
  2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 5 November 2013 09: 13
    14
    The next stool of Amer’s propaganda, the sailors in the ranks with their hands in their pockets and how they’ll get dressed, we’ll be barbarians! But the sleek Nazi democrats, they are tough guys, and the fact that hands to the elbow in blood is so, the costs of demonocracy ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 5 November 2013 09: 43
      +5
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      sailors in the ranks with their hands in their pockets and how horribly dressed

      Homeless people at the Kazan station are dressed no worse.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 November 2013 09: 56
        +7
        Quote: ....
        The captain of a Soviet submarine with nuclear weapons on board constantly lays behind the collar, and even a long-standing epileptic,



        Yeah. - Who threw a felt boot into the remote? Everyone is silent ...
        - Once again I ask, who threw a felt boot into the remote?
  3. makarov
    makarov 5 November 2013 09: 25
    +7
    Hollywood is a "commodity" factory, and it often falls under the category of BORN and ROLL.
  4. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 5 November 2013 09: 26
    +9
    already nauseous ... I won’t look anymore .... let them put a hand to the empty head in their army ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 5 November 2013 09: 41
      +2
      Judging by their films, they constantly put their hand to the empty head.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 5 November 2013 09: 55
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        Judging by their films, they constantly put their hand to the empty head.

        Well, they judge by themselves, they can ... laughing
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 November 2013 10: 18
      18
      Quote: Scandinavian
      already nauseous ... I won’t look anymore .... let them put a hand to the empty head in their army ...


      We generally can to empty and even sitting
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 5 November 2013 11: 05
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        We generally can to empty and even sitting

        Well, what else with the ass is not confused?
      2. Serg 122
        Serg 122 6 November 2013 00: 42
        +2
        It was he from Ilya Muromets who copied from a famous painting ... laughing
  5. Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 5 November 2013 09: 31
    +8
    Slag unworthy of our attention, comrades.

    By the way, K-19 with Harrison Ford turned out to be quite sane, with a discount on the yankee frenzy, of course.

    And this is another cinder block of the "reddawn" Rambo-shaped type.
    1. Gari
      Gari 5 November 2013 10: 00
      14
      Here are the special troops of the Russian army in their opinion
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 5 November 2013 16: 18
        +2
        Cool! wassat Balalaika is not enough
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 5 November 2013 18: 17
          +4
          And gypsies with a glass of vodka on a tray! Our beloved came to us and hereinafter ...
        2. 0255
          0255 5 November 2013 21: 51
          +1
          Quote: kaktus
          Cool! wassat Balalaika is not enough

          and not enough bottles of vodka wassat
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 6 November 2013 00: 44
            +1
            There’s nothing more to come up with;
          2. Van
            Van 6 November 2013 00: 53
            +1
            But what are we all about the past? We won’t be able to make a fool of something like that, or it’s not profitable, or there’s not enough imagination ...
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 6 November 2013 01: 18
              +2
              Quote: Wang
              But what are we all about the past? We won’t be able to make a fool of something like that, or it’s not profitable, or there’s not enough imagination ...


              yes, according to the magnificent novel of the duet of science fiction writers from Kharkov, Aleksandr Zorich of the cycle (tomorrow's war), you can shoot a whole saga of a magnificent patriotic youthful movie good
              there will be no worse all star wars!
              1. Kars
                Kars 6 November 2013 01: 24
                +2
                The first two are normal, then the stamp is stamped.

                By the way, who will Bezrukov play there? Gosha Kutsenko?

                Berezina needs to be filmed. I want to see a gigantank)))
                Quote: regressSSSR
                from Kharkov

                Cool, by the way, Ukraine changed to Kharkov. Although the first word means a lot)))
                1. Kars
                  Kars 6 November 2013 01: 32
                  +2
                  ______________
                  1. regsSSSR
                    regsSSSR 6 November 2013 02: 00
                    +1
                    Yes, a beautiful Madeleka)) although the apple did differently I have my own idea of ​​how the space battleship should look
                    I once worked on the creation of healthy Madelles and landscapes for comp games in Moscow (they paid well)
                    but still then threw back to tam from which ear to painting
                2. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 6 November 2013 01: 55
                  +1
                  did you read too?

                  kars
                  The first two are normal, then the stamp is stamped.


                  Well, let's say the first three))
                  I agree further

                  kars
                  Cool, by the way, Ukraine changed to Kharkov. Although the first word means a lot)))


                  notice))
                  Well, I can’t call Ukraine abroad

                  By the way, from Ukraine there are a lot of wonderful science fiction writers Cheat Dyachenko, well, the same Lukyanenko (by the way, the word regressor is taken from his novel) stars cold toys there was such a character Nick regressor))
                  sounded beautiful and in tune with the USSR so I set it myself hi

                  kars
                  By the way, who will Bezrukov play there? Gosha Kutsenko?


                  brr)) no need to look for new ones from scratch; these have already outlived themselves in the dashing nineties
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 6 November 2013 14: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: regressSSSR
                    did you read too?

                    An electronic book and the Internet allows you to read anything. Even in the first story, it reminds a little of the beginning of the war between the USA and Japan.
              2. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 6 November 2013 01: 27
                +1
                Another poster with the book!
                in my humble opinion, this is exactly how Russia should look otherwise by the year 2620 cited in the novel
                1. Van
                  Van 7 November 2013 22: 43
                  0
                  Quote: regressSSSR
                  Another poster with the book!
                  in my humble opinion, this is exactly how Russia should look otherwise by the year 2620 cited in the novel


                  Eh, if everything was so, but maybe still ahead of us ?.fellow
                  Although the current picture of the world is already very foggy ... request
  6. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 5 November 2013 09: 44
    +4
    A grateful spectator, obviously, can be found with us (including representatives of the younger generation)
    .

    Oh really? And this is by chance not all the same spectator who went to "Stalingrad" with buckets of popcorn? Bondarchuk is still learning from Hollywood. What his years ... will take off and something like that "K-129". The main thing is not the essence and the historical truth. The main screaming name ... "Company 9", "Stalingrad", "K-129" ...
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 November 2013 09: 44
    +6
    Only one thing is that as the mericatos will trash our form (of any kind of army), it is impossible to watch their window dressings. It is specially presented in such forms, wrinkled, dirty, 50-60 years, or even earlier releases, confused elements, etc. In a word KO.LY these hollywood animals.
  8. Serg 122
    Serg 122 5 November 2013 09: 53
    +3
    Why sobsno wonder? A stamp is a stamp. It’s a pity that people get this mess the real version of the causes of the tragedy that happened with the Soviet submarine in 1968.
    1. creak
      creak 5 November 2013 10: 01
      +5
      So maybe the time has come and our authorities to voice the real version of the tragedy and not give a reason to present people get along. So many years have passed, what are we hiding?
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 6 November 2013 00: 47
        0
        I agree, only here the same stump dos will insist that their version is the most ...
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 5 November 2013 09: 55
    +2
    We looked at Mikhalkov? We looked, Fedya Bondarchuk (forgive me his father who knew how to shoot films) looked. The Americans probably also watched something and decided to stop saving the world from aliens and asteroids with zombies, let's bungle something like "K- 19 "only without Ford and the Russians saving the world from a nuclear catastrophe, and" The Hunt for Red October "only without Sean Connery, who was dragging the entire film, despite all his delusionalism, we will leave political officer Putin there and come up with a" cunning plan "to play off the PRC (in those years, still a kind of shitty banana republic with terrible technology) and the United States, what is a normal scenario for Hollywood, let's add another romantic line + the captain must be a former nobleman and a prisoner of the Gulag and his family was shot at 37. In short, if you can "consult Mikhalkov and Fedya they know, they will prompt ...
  10. Alikovo
    Alikovo 5 November 2013 10: 21
    +5
    Hollywood as a hotbed of lies that cannot be justified.
    the film Red Dawn 2010: a handful of schoolchildren who did not even really hold weapons in their hands confront the professional army.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 5 November 2013 14: 58
      +1
      Alikovo, and this "KR" is a remake of the old, mid-80s, which is ripped off from "The Elusive Avengers" laughing True, the main villains there were, as you understand the Russians (plus Cubans, East Germans, Austrians, etc. lol ) and here, after the sensational igruha HOMEFRONT made Koreans laughing
  11. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 5 November 2013 10: 55
    +3
    Quote: Vadivak
    We generally can to empty and even sitting

    Serdyukov is a separate unique ... dormoater and thief.
  12. Nayhas
    Nayhas 5 November 2013 11: 05
    +4
    Damn, well, is it worth so many words about cheap Holywood crafts? Thousands of films are shot there with the majority of rather mediocre quality and outright chernukha. The director of the film is not known to anyone in the world, the budget of the film is 18 million dollars wasted, the fees amounted to one million dollars, i.e. only a few watched it, is it worth discussing it at all?
    P.S .:
    The Americans “reburied” them, having arranged a magnificent ceremony with the American and Soviet anthem and the flag of the USSR Navy, apparently trying to present their interest in K-129 exclusively as a humanitarian mission.

    Nobody hid the objectives of Operation Jennifer, the humanitarian mission was never announced, so leave your speculations to yourself. The act of the Americans deserves respect, they treated our guys humanly, for this they are very grateful and you should not look for something in their act that did not exist ...
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 November 2013 11: 23
    +5
    Hollywood is not only a dream factory, but a powerful ideological weapon of the United States, so you shouldn't even expect similarity and believability from them, but it's at least a shame to make such films for their directors. As Bondarchuk looks into the eyes of these people who went through the hell of that battle, creating his own "masterpiece" and giving it such a big name? fool
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 November 2013 17: 03
      +2
      Quote: mhpv
      but filming such films to their directors is at least a shame

      Just yesterday I accidentally glanced at the TV box (passing by). There was a Russian film about the Navy. It lasted exactly 20 seconds. He spat and left after cap.3 loaded a drop in his face at the wedding (he couldn't find another place), and immediately turned to the hmy in the vice (!) Admiral's shoulder straps: "Comrade Rear Admiral!" How much further then?
  14. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 5 November 2013 11: 25
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Scandinavian
    already nauseous ... I won’t look anymore .... let them put a hand to the empty head in their army ...


    We generally can to empty and even sitting

    Well, that’s all we can! Including billions of grabbing!
  15. Mestny
    Mestny 5 November 2013 12: 19
    0
    Quote: Scandinavian
    already nauseous ... I will not watch anymore ....

    Quote: "Let's argue about the taste of oranges with those who ate them."

    "And if God forbid he (Bondarchuk) will get a good film? Maybe he can only shoot cranberries about us?"

    Truth? But what about the full halls crying while watching a woman, etc.?
    Is it really the wrong people again?
  16. yurypetrunin
    yurypetrunin 5 November 2013 13: 07
    +1
    And why does A. Volodin demonstrate his observation and naval erudition regarding American garbage among readers of VO? And the Volodinsky guano will hang for public viewing. Horror ... Amerikos with a non-Russian name, having married in a temple with benches and a pastor in the background, in a tunic with medals, got drunk on a rum in a compartment and put his hand to an empty head ... Enjoy, comrade officers of the Russian Armed Forces!
    And here is the really interesting today's material in the Hydepark http://maxpark.com/user/4295108745/content/2296544 "The explosion in Okolnaya in 1984", which I witnessed, has already been removed from view. It's good that I managed to read it. It's too bad I didn't think to make a copy.
    And there problems are sharper than Volodin noticed in the American tape! As the officers and their wives ticked in personal vehicles, grabbing carpets and other belongings. As of the many ships standing on the roadstead and in the base, the first floating crane was able to give the move ...
    Thank God we are slowly getting rid of this. The correct course, Putin and Shoigu are leading our ship, but I would like full speed. Otherwise, I will not live.
    And then Mr. Volodin spoiled his mood ...
    Yuri Petrunin. Veteran of the Armed Forces of the USSR, 4th EscPL, Polar, Gatchina.
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      1. yurypetrunin
        yurypetrunin 5 November 2013 18: 18
        0
        I forgive you. Yu. Petrunin.
  17. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 November 2013 13: 21
    +3
    Here the Germans, in my opinion, did not offend anyone by filming the film "Das Boot":
    The feature film "Submarine" (Das Boot) was released by filmmakers of Germany in the 1981 year. Filmed by this war drama director Wolfgang Peterson in his own script. The film "Submarine" is a vivid example of how Germany relate to its own history, showing that both the German people, in general, and the submarine fleet in particular, had a very hard time. The authors managed to show that duty, honor, maritime fraternity can go along with the tragedy of a military man who is not asked whether he wants to die or not. And this applies to everyone, regardless of nationality and ideology. Excellent direction, magnificent shootings that the operator managed to do in the narrow compartments of the submarine, talented special effects and a game of actors who did everything at a very high professional level.

    The plot of the film "Submarine": in 1941 in the North Atlantic, a real war of German submarines with American convoys unfolded, which supplied Britain with everything necessary for warfare. The British naval forces tried to withstand the pressure of the German admiral Dennitz, learning to fight against the backdrop of the numerous losses of American and British ships and the death of their crews. U-96 submarine entered the Atlantic Ocean. Life on a strict schedule, the constant smell of oil and smoke, training alarms and anticipation of fights, each of which may be the last for the crew ...


    And the book is interesting.
  18. Hort
    Hort 5 November 2013 13: 21
    +4
    the only normal American film about Soviet submariners is K19.
    The rest - the same ge, in the style of "Red October" ...
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 5 November 2013 15: 54
      +3
      Unfortunately, the texture in K19 is also strongly distorted. For the sake of His Majesty the "Hollywood template". But against the background of such pearls, of course, K19 is the crown of objectivity.
  19. Alex 241
    Alex 241 5 November 2013 13: 29
    +4
    Such an interpretation of the history of our submarine fleet is very jarring. Today's young people with weak brains might think that all that officers do is total drunkenness, and occasionally, from a hangover, they start an atomic war.
  20. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 November 2013 14: 00
    10
    And according to Mikhalkov, the brand-new shovels for shovels and even round ones during the war were probably supplied by Lend-Lease:
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 5 November 2013 14: 09
      13
      ..........................................................
      1. old man54
        old man54 5 November 2013 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        ..........................................................

        well done !! good hi
  21. Bigfoot_Sev
    Bigfoot_Sev 5 November 2013 14: 58
    +3
    about. I saw Phantom. tin. the fiercest.

    even on imdb people spit.
  22. Delta
    Delta 5 November 2013 15: 05
    0
    Zadornov was right. Honestly, I don’t understand, in the States, after all, almost half of the inhabitants are already from the former USSR, so is there really no one to consult the director with about how they dress, behave, say the Russian people? this is such laziness, I guess. In general, the only Hollywood film that was filmed with dignity about our submariners is "Hostile Waters". Although there were some blunders, there are no drunken Soviet sailors in caps with earflaps screaming a hymn under the water at least technically competently. I don't even know if such a city will be allowed ... in our film distribution, but personally I will urge him to boycott.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 6 November 2013 00: 57
      +2
      So in the states - stamps! Why do they need consultants if everything has been invented a long time ago and rolled many times ... fool
  23. alex20081308
    alex20081308 5 November 2013 16: 06
    -5
    And they laid it behind the collar. And they drank and the girls fucked. And all this was
  24. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 5 November 2013 16: 16
    +5
    Nothing new, remember the K-19. When this Hollywood show came out on the screens of Ukraine, I wrote a review for one publication, which was reprinted even by such publications as the website of the newspaper Pravda, incl. and the English version. But when I wanted to bring it to your attention, "Voennoye Obozreniye" refused, arguing that the article was written several years ago. As if something had changed. And here you are, in the comments, this film is praised. Okay, I suggest here.

    On July 4, 1961, as a result of an accident on the nuclear missile submarine K-19, 8 submariners were killed. Half a century later, American filmmakers shot the film "K-19". In mid-May of this year, the film appeared on the screens of Ukraine, which was preceded by a noisy advertising campaign, which designated the film as "the most truthful story of the K-19 tragedy." And the host of "Cinema Empire" Yuri Makarov even agreed even to the point that he tied a commercial failure film in the USA with his kindness towards Soviet sailors ... I am not a film critic, and I am not going to judge the artistic merits and demerits of the film. I am a submariner, so let's talk about "kindness" and "historical truth." , you will have to "hook" slightly on the technical details - so that everyone would understand everything.

    First - about "kindness". I wonder what they saw her in? Maybe the fact that Captain 1st Rank N. Zateev (it was he who commanded the boat when the reactor accident occurred) is shown as a stupid careerist-paranoid who became a submarine commander only because he was married to the daughter of a Politburo member? Or is it that the first commander of the reactor group turned out (according to the film) to be an elementary drunkard, and the second - a snotty boy and hysterical? Or maybe the kindness is that the Soviet sailors put their asses on display to the American photographer (that is, to the whole world)? This is more like the Americans themselves, ours would rather put the edge of the palm to the elbow. If this is kindness, then what is evil?

    As you can see, the arrogant Americans once again tried to humiliate the Russians. And they had a reason for this - on November 15, 1969, on the traverse of Cape Teribersky, it was K-19 that collided with the American nuclear submarine Gatou, trying to track it. The American submarine then received a hole and was forced to lie on the ground for repairs.

    In fairness, it should be noted that the K-19 itself then survived only thanks to the composure and courage ... of the commander of the American submarine. The torpedo commander had already suspected an attack by the "Soviets" and was preparing to fire a Sabrok anti-submarine missile, but he was ordered to "set aside." Subsequently, the commander of the American submarine received an order to make an entry in the logbook, according to which the Getow left the area three days before (!) The collision.

    Now about the historical truth. Firstly, in that ill-fated campaign, the K-19 really had to surface in the ice for rocket firing. But she had to emerge in the hole! The first submarine to break through the ice was K-447 - exactly 20 years later, in July 1981. And then only a madman or a suicide could emerge at full speed! Try to crash into the Kremlin wall in Zhiguli - the result, in my opinion, is obvious. Draw your own conclusions.

    Further. Judging by the film, this was the first K-19 launch at sea. But forgive me, who, during the tests, takes the ship to transcendental modes? Again - or suicide! I participated in the dive to the maximum depth and therefore I testify that during the dive the ship does not dive like a fighter, but makes stops to inspect the compartments - every 25 m to a hundred-meter depth and every 10 m after it. And what kind of deep-sea diving is this at the first exit to the sea?
  25. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 5 November 2013 16: 16
    +3
    Nothing new, remember the K-19. When this Hollywood show came out on the screens of Ukraine, I wrote a review for one publication, which was reprinted even by such publications as the website of the newspaper Pravda, incl. and the English version. But when I wanted to bring it to your attention, "Voennoye Obozreniye" refused, arguing that the article was written several years ago. As if something had changed. And here you are, in the comments, this film is praised. Okay, I suggest here.

    On July 4, 1961, as a result of an accident on the nuclear missile submarine K-19, 8 submariners were killed. Half a century later, American filmmakers shot the film "K-19". In mid-May of this year, the film appeared on the screens of Ukraine, which was preceded by a noisy advertising campaign, which designated the film as "the most truthful story of the K-19 tragedy." And the host of "Cinema Empire" Yuri Makarov even agreed even to the point that he tied a commercial failure film in the USA with his kindness towards Soviet sailors ... I am not a film critic, and I am not going to judge the artistic merits and demerits of the film. I am a submariner, so let's talk about "kindness" and "historical truth." , you will have to "hook" slightly on the technical details - so that everyone would understand everything.

    First - about "kindness". I wonder what they saw her in? Maybe the fact that Captain 1st Rank N. Zateev (it was he who commanded the boat when the reactor accident occurred) is shown as a stupid careerist-paranoid who became a submarine commander only because he was married to the daughter of a Politburo member? Or is it that the first commander of the reactor group turned out (according to the film) to be an elementary drunkard, and the second - a snotty boy and hysterical? Or maybe the kindness is that the Soviet sailors put their asses on display to the American photographer (that is, to the whole world)? This is more like the Americans themselves, ours would rather put the edge of the palm to the elbow. If this is kindness, then what is evil?

    As you can see, the arrogant Americans once again tried to humiliate the Russians. And they had a reason for this - on November 15, 1969, on the traverse of Cape Teribersky, it was K-19 that collided with the American nuclear submarine Gatou, trying to track it. The American submarine then received a hole and was forced to lie on the ground for repairs.

    In fairness, it should be noted that the K-19 itself then survived only thanks to the composure and courage ... of the commander of the American submarine. The torpedo commander had already suspected an attack by the "Soviets" and was preparing to fire a Sabrok anti-submarine missile, but he was ordered to "set aside." Subsequently, the commander of the American submarine received an order to make an entry in the logbook, according to which the Getow left the area three days before (!) The collision.

    Now about the historical truth. Firstly, in that ill-fated campaign, the K-19 really had to surface in the ice for rocket firing. But she had to emerge in the hole! The first submarine to break through the ice was K-447 - exactly 20 years later, in July 1981. And then only a madman or a suicide could emerge at full speed! Try to crash into the Kremlin wall in Zhiguli - the result, in my opinion, is obvious. Draw your own conclusions.

    Further. Judging by the film, this was the first K-19 launch at sea. But forgive me, who, during the tests, takes the ship to transcendental modes? Again - or suicide! I participated in the dive to the maximum depth and therefore I testify that during the dive the ship does not dive like a fighter, but makes stops to inspect the compartments - every 25 m to a hundred-meter depth and every 10 m after it. And what kind of deep-sea diving is this at the first exit to the sea?
  26. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 5 November 2013 16: 17
    +7
    Now about the accident itself. The Americans showed very colorfully what happened to the liquidator sailors. With scabs on the face, with vomiting. Especially impressionable viewers even cried. And I (a kind of insensitive) swore, I'm sorry, like a shoemaker. Symptoms of radiation sickness in children began to appear after 4-5 hours after the accident was liquidated! Why did you have to show it? A Schaub is beautiful! And so the whole film is nothing more than a spectacular picture.

    But back to the liquidation of the accident. To mount the system of the strait reactor (which, by the way, after the incident with K-19 was made full-time), torpedoes were dismantled and tubes removed from them. What for?! On any submarine, these tubes of various calibers, which do not affect the survivability of the ship, are plentiful. Take any!

    The answer is simple - it is necessary for the fuel to flow out of the torpedo, and a fire began in the tenth compartment. But where does the fuel come from? The era of steam-gas torpedoes had already passed, and there were no jet torpedoes on the K-19. But there really was a fire, but not in the tenth, but in the ninth. And it happened on February 24, 1972 - 11 years later. Then 28 people died, and in the tenth compartment for 23 days (!) 12 people were "cut off".

    And look at the accident itself! Everyone is running somewhere, shouting something, the cook with his plates gets tangled underfoot ... Not a submarine, but some kind of anthill! But on real boats, each submariner has a "Battle Number" book, in which it is described in detail where to be and what to do during all types of alarm (and, by the way, there are several of them, in this case - "emergency").

    And the terminology - you can die! "Left torpedo compartment", "main compartment", "malfunctions in compartment 8" ... Someone would argue that the film was filmed not only for submariners. In that case, call it some kind of "Red October" and do not try to present it as the most truthful story about K-19. In general, as I have noticed, Americans have a rather peculiar view of history. And this film is the fruit of the authors' sick imagination and the desire to win another jackpot on someone else's blood.

    ... I learned with regret that in Russia veterans of K-19 were taken to the premiere of this "underwater show". What kind of "bright" head and "sensitive" heart do you need to have to think of this ?!
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 5 November 2013 16: 39
    +4
    submarine captain

    And this, in different variations, is repeated in the article. The author, to American nonsense, also adds his own homegrown bloopers.
    As for the movie itself, I watched it, for the sake of curiosity. Low budget bullshit negative fool
  28. Dimy4
    Dimy4 5 November 2013 16: 48
    +1
    In principle, I do not look at such American "film masterpieces" about you and me, since initially they can not remove anything but nonsense. They do not understand us, Reagan watched “Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears” 7 times to understand the mysterious Russian soul, naturally he did not understand anything.
  29. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 November 2013 17: 06
    +4
    Quote: Old_Kapitan
    But there really was a fire, but not in the tenth, but in the ninth. And it happened on February 24, 1972 - 11 years later. Then 28 people died, and in the tenth compartment for 23 days (!) 12 people were "cut off".


    Honor and glory to the sailors who gave their lives for others.
  30. tank64rus
    tank64rus 5 November 2013 18: 15
    +4
    Bondarchuk made an Americanized film about Russian Stalingrad with the goal of winning a prize in Hollywood. He simply does not give a damn about the truth about the war and veterans and patriotism. The main thing is the American Oscar.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 5 November 2013 18: 45
      +3
      This was how Bondarchuk's inflamed imagination represented the battle of Stalingrad.
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 5 November 2013 19: 37
      0
      Quote: tank64rus
      Bondarchuk made an Americanized film about Russian Stalingrad with the goal of winning a prize in Hollywood. He simply does not give a damn about the truth about the war and veterans and patriotism. The main thing is the American Oscar.

      Alas, Alexander, this Bondarchuk, did anal sexizirovanny (from anal sex) cinema ... and so what will be awarded there for this bowel movement, to people who are familiar with history (not hysteria) and who try to remain adequate, by and large do not care. And it’s not such a reproach that we digest and digest. soldier
    3. Shur
      Shur 6 November 2013 01: 10
      0
      This is very possible. The context and presentation are clearly in the wrong direction. This generation of Pepsi sees what it sees. They are fine. So Bondarchuk is cunning, the clear message "give me an Oscar" is for what. They will give ...
  31. yurypetrunin
    yurypetrunin 5 November 2013 18: 56
    +2
    Dear colleagues, are active, in stock and retired.
    I got a drag from the author, Mr. Alexey Volodin. And I apologize to him for critical of his method of obtaining daily bread for himself and his children.
    He, it turns out, is a journalist by the appearance of 40 years. There have been 941 publications (almost a thousand) lately, any topic, from a description of the church wedding of a submarine officer to the massacre in Biryulyovo and nuclear weapons.
    The quality of publications is doubtful, apparently related to the speed of typing on the keyboard and the lag of thought from fine motor skills of the fingers.
    Well, everyone gets his salary as he can! Someone in a solid building, someone on the slipway deck of a shipyard, someone on a combine ... And some, after a journalism department or a Kiev political school, were correspondents at the Military Review.
    Yuri Petrunin.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 5 November 2013 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: yurypetrunin
      Dear colleagues, are active, in stock and retired.
      I got a drag from the author, Mr. Alexey Volodin. And I apologize to him for critical of his method of obtaining daily bread for himself and his children.
      He, it turns out, is a journalist by the appearance of 40 years. There have been 941 publications (almost a thousand) lately, any topic, from a description of the church wedding of a submarine officer to the massacre in Biryulyovo and nuclear weapons.
      The quality of publications is doubtful, apparently related to the speed of typing on the keyboard and the lag of thought from fine motor skills of the fingers.
      Well, everyone gets his salary as he can! Someone in a solid building, someone on the slipway deck of a shipyard, someone on a combine ... And some, after a journalism department or a Kiev political school, were correspondents at the Military Review.
      Yuri Petrunin.

      Dear Yuri!
      In vain you are so angry, especially on a regular one, so to speak. He, as we call it in a sail, has a handicap.
      For example, I wrote a note on the hot news about the discussion of the proposed emblem of the Armed Forces by the Public Council of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. I didn’t copy-paste, but I wrote it, by all the rules of the genre (sufficient experience). She was accepted, but edited for three days, and then they answered that they say sorry, but Comrade Comrade is now on the same topic. Volodin, scatters an article that was published a couple of days later. Is it a shame? Yes and no. Yes, that did not go out with a snout. No, because the motivation is not to snout.
      As for your case, you, of course, rudely and flatly expressed themselves, for my taste, of course. smile
      So, colleague, we, who seem to themselves closer to adequate than the others, understand everything perfectly. soldier
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 20: 10
        0
        PS
        By the way, in my commentary to this article, I pointed out to the author, his repeated "submarine captain", in different variations ... is silent ... repeat
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 5 November 2013 22: 07
          +1
          Quote: Peaceful military
          PS
          By the way, in my commentary to this article, I pointed out to the author, his repeated "submarine captain", in different variations ... is silent ... repeat

          Sorry!
          He is not silent ... he wrote everything to me in a "personal" ... I beg your pardon, I got excited ...
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 21: 16
        +1
        PPS
        Colleagues
        Yuri Petrunin was banned, in general, in the case, although in fact he is right.
        But, it was not appropriate for us officers to express ourselves in a tabloid way, even if we didn’t like our thoughts or news.
        Personally, I joined our (I hope) resource as an officer of the USSR Armed Forces ...
        Many and many do not suit me, but this is not a reason to slide down to the main battle and the corresponding relationship, so fashionable among, alas, our children ...
  32. bikoleg
    bikoleg 5 November 2013 19: 22
    +3
    Mattress covers are supposed to be removed so the war continues! And what "ours" filmed !? "Ashes" once advertised on Russia1, complete nonsense !!! Filmed not by the Yankees, but for our money and for us !? Hollywood is resting !!!
  33. Black
    Black 5 November 2013 20: 17
    +2
    Quote: bikoleg
    And what "ours" filmed !?


    “Ours” are Ozerov, Bondarchuk (senior), Egiazarov ....
    And the "creators" of the modern shit - who are they - "our" ?????
    1. bikoleg
      bikoleg 5 November 2013 23: 54
      0
      With our money, and with us, they show the 1st fifth column in Russia ...
  34. BBM
    BBM 5 November 2013 21: 19
    0
    The plan of the KGB agents (where without them in a typical American film about our country) was as follows: to launch a nuclear missile strike on an American enemy in a designated area, hiding behind the secret development of the Phantom special services, which would give out the Soviet strike as Chinese, and then a nuclear war would begin between the US and China ...

    and by the way a very sensible plan. I would have done so in the place of the leadership of the Russian Federation.
  35. cormorant
    cormorant 5 November 2013 21: 25
    +2
    In principle, my family and I personally will not watch the film "Stalingrad" at the box office. Why financially help Russia's enemies? Not only is the film paid from the budget, and they will receive money for renting ki. angry

    And "Phantom" is generally not worth the time spent on it.
  36. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 5 November 2013 22: 11
    0
    not so far as the day before yesterday accidentally ran into this (masterpiece)) digging in the latest DVDs for 13 years I saw a submarine with a star and immediately became interested and even strange that only now an article was published about this movie provaciation! because he came out again in March!
    failed to look, and now there is no reason) that it was okay, from the very beginning, even not digging into the fantastic story (by the way, it was posted on Wikipedia))
    “Phantom” - a 2013 science fiction film directed by Todd Robinson and producers Julian Adams, Pen Densham, John Watson and others (USA);
    so that the Americans voluntarily and honestly shoot for their money real worthwhile yes and historical (well, at least approximately similar to the truth) films about the USSR and it’s never possible, it’s just impossible for this to happen, if the earth turns upside down and all the bears die in the forest no fact that will help !! (and the Ka-19 is essentially far from the truth) But I really wanted to disassemble it for kinolapy (I love the business) but failed thanks Alexey))
    Here, of course, not so much American filmmakers tried as domestic translators, let’s say, “masters” of dubbing.

    that's for sure! sometimes it’s better to just do films of this kind pretending to be (a real story) it’s better to look in English — you can find out something new interesting) and sometimes no less stupid than translating our pros))
    The apogee of the film "Phantom" is the reflections of "Captain" Demi in a conversation with KGB officer Bruni that the Americans will not respond to the nuclear provocation of the "Chinese", because, quote: "Americans put human life above all else!"

    Well here, no questions asked! as the comrade used to say the cord from the movie (election day)
    for the sake of this phrase the whole song was written)))
    . One of these points is that a military sailor who is a member of the crew of a Soviet submarine carrying nuclear missiles as a weapon declares that he has claustrophobia

    this is just humor on the verge of fiction) but a person with such a diagnosis would not even be allowed to enter the tank)) and he wouldn’t have let the submarine go even to the gun’s shot at the very gun’s point smile and even more so to the Soviet one and with atomic missiles, it is simply impossible to even imagine how he got there at all !! only on the pull of Hollywood must be put)))
    By the way, and to themselves, too, they are much more likely to shoot such a recent film (prommitey)
    here tell me how such a team of morons and neurostenics could supposedly fly into deep space for the first time in human history)) one of which immediately started whining that it doesn’t understand what he’s doing here and the second one (geologist) for the company along with the first tyk I managed to get lost there from where everyone else went out normally and at the same time remembered him only on the ship. laughing
  37. Bugor
    Bugor 5 November 2013 23: 33
    +2
    But you can’t shoot a film about the American army Bondarchuk. I will explain my position.
    After all, what is happening now: Our people are fed by films about the Great Patriotic War (WWII). Including an excellent film by Fedya Papa. And about the same. Baba in the war (or next to the war). There are very few Germans - idiots in these films, if this is not a semi-comedy, of course ... Thus, we have: Germans are a very powerful and formidable enemy. And defeating such an enemy is a great thing.
    Films with the participation of Americans - also not about how green berets were hammered with shovels in the Stone Age, by no means. High-tech army with good weapons. Yes, surely the Russian Ivan will turn out to be more cunning .. more than American, but also, say, you need to work hard.
    But in Bondarchuk-jr in the films they shoot from machine guns with crooked trunks and point blank from the TTshnik they manage to release a clip in a person, and even henna would practically be.
    He will make a movie about the American pedo-army of Latinos eating gum and fucking with each other, and what will be the result? After such a "kinA", the younger generation will not understand why the American army is considered the most powerful. Underestimating a potential adversary is fraught.
    My son looked at "Stalingrad" and asked me: Dad, why were our people sitting there, in this house? What for? After all, they did nothing - copulated with the locals and looked at the Germans in a sniper scope, but shot at the women?
    I had to get him to read about Pavlov’s house. From three sources.
    And let Hollywood remove what he sees fit.
  38. Jager
    Jager 5 November 2013 23: 56
    +2
    Another "masterpiece" of the "dream factory". In fact, it resembles films with the participation of such a famous and talented actor as Michael Dudikoff. When he, with one clip in the M-16, fired back from the Vietnamese division, while carrying a wounded comrade on his shoulders and blasting helicopters, tanks and other equipment from the same M-16 on the march.
    I will not look because it is already clear. Hollywood never showed "Russian Vanya" adequately in any of its films. All drunks, idiots, KGB officers and traitors.
    Back at school, we were taken to a Hollywood movie about sniper V. Zaitsev. What m ... to decided to show this guano to youth is a mystery.
    We have money, we have examples, we have directors - make a really GOOD patriotic film about the war. "Stalingrad" is a very average film compared to the old Soviet ones.
    Why are you looking at Nikulin after the fight in They Fought for the Motherland and UNDERSTAND why.
    Yes, once again about fools, drunks, perverts and bandits will succeed.
  39. Shur
    Shur 6 November 2013 01: 02
    -2
    Quote: Albert1988
    why again I don’t understand some kind of mura, at least kill ...

    When understanding comes, you will reconsider your views on the "masterpieces" of F. Bondarchuk and N. Mikhalkov.
  40. Shur
    Shur 6 November 2013 01: 34
    0
    The film Stalingrad 1992, directed by Joseph Vilsmeier.
    http://www.ivi.ru/watch/102328?utm_source=yandex&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=%D1%
    81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%20%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1
    %8C%D0%BC|187753198|1483329137|search|none|premium|1&utm_campaign=k50|7067493
    There is such a vision.
  41. Shur
    Shur 6 November 2013 02: 00
    0
    Here are just a few of the reviews for the "film" Stalingrad.
    http://afisha.mail.ru/cinema/movies/769863_stalingrad/
    and so all the forums, etc.
    The younger, the sadder. I always knew from elders, from not even my own (they left early), but many veteran grandfathers, the truth about this war. This can not be half, just to anything. For many, relatives have laid their heads there. And how many remained forever young .. Eternal memory to them.
  42. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 6 November 2013 02: 58
    0
    Hollywood lives in the clouds, and they do not need our tragedies. In addition, they are defended by Sony’s detachment as the Letts of Lenin in 1917. But who has Australia in the service? At Pamela Aderson, I would say, conscientiously, in the ranks of Pavlov’s detachment defending a house in Stalingrad.

    Do not believe me, look Fat pizza, maybe even learn to parse the language of demons, well, like a fat pizza, Spasskaya Tower, Chimes, falling rain, Eddie Murphy as a friend of Guntherr, defaming US dollars, a chronicle of Japanese prisoners on a Khalkhin goal, Agent Alex selling bulba in " cartoons ", where the Russian army is exposed, no, I'm lying, the army is represented by Kirkorov, it means that it was not possible to discredit our military army, and so he sells not vodka, but bulba in the USA, and so on. But all "patriots" like Saaksvili and Yushchenko are their favorite funny characters, but Posner! Yes, you can see the accents not spreading the troops, but the Vietcong. By the way, if Russian security organizations read this, then it will be interesting for you to see who you are compared to in Australia, with some kind of mafia, and even with a gulkin's nose ???

    But this is not the point, but to look at the Italian Cheffie of such a "neo-William neo-baptist in the fascist spirit" of a pizzeria. It is worth noting here who is distributing pi, and who you will go through. But the most interesting thing is how the Maltese go around in his six-seaters and someone else seems to be Lebanese, or rather, those who sold Lebanon for bombing, so they will sell Europe. You yourself will see from the movies how they stick out on powders, and other perversions. By the way, this is the easiest way to catch people in their nets.

    So all hope for Pamela Anderson, I hope heach has not convinced you that we are all Japanese? After all, there they smear women with plaster, and do not put anything. The world of men, do you already know what can flourish there?

    Personally, I wouldn’t come closer to them than a nuclear warhead shot. The Master of the Teutonic Order is an exception. I never saw how they give pi!

    In general, I bow low to this from the clouds, otherwise I would have been eaten alive in my native land.
  43. Apologet insane
    Apologet insane 6 November 2013 08: 38
    -2
    Just think, we have our own Mikhalkov, they have their own Mikhalkov. Everywhere there are enough illiterate pathos filmmakers =) At least they can make honest films about the atrocities of their country, about the same Vietnam. But ours, if they remove something like that, they will immediately brand it as the henchmen of the State Department. So it goes.
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  45. I think so
    I think so 7 November 2013 01: 33
    0
    And now, such creatures like this Bondarchuk, with their vile filthy paws, climb into a sacred place in memory of the people about the exploits of fathers and grandfathers ... Drown the bastard with the film in the toilet ... Yes, Russia your song is sung ... they took you like an adult ... they will overshadow you and your heroes ... bleach your enemies ... write a new story for you ... and eat your riches chuckling at you ... could not win the war they will defeat you on the paper of the rewritten history ...