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Who is Mr. Putin

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To answer this question, you need to consider all aspects of its public activities. The answer to this question is necessary in order to understand what awaits Russia and all of us in the future.




To deny the merits of GDP to Russia is quite difficult. At the end of the 90-s Russia came to the point, after which there was already a disaster. And the people could not save the country. Remember the 90-e, all except bandyukov, sit behind bars and iron doors. "New Russians" rob people, wages are not paid, meager pensions are delayed. In-white business can not be due to the fact that the taxes ate everything you get, but still have to stay. As a result, "protection" and rampant organized crime. And everyone is ready to tear his neighbor's teeth in order to live a day longer than him. The people, in fact, was no longer there. It was a gathering of intimidated sheep, each of which was concerned only with their own survival. And it was done purposefully. They will tell me that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation could have won the elections and then ... And then what? In 96, did Zyuganov actually win the election and what did he become president? And, perhaps, thank God that he did not. Because the Communist Party of the "Communists" there is only one name. The same petty-bourgeois party with its own business interests and pocket oligarchs. And, anyway, tied to the project of the destruction of Russia, the events of 93 of the year showed it well. I think that according to the plans of the rulers of the world of Russia in the 21 century should not be, and to prevent this, as you see, no one except the government could.

But here Russia is once again lucky. It became clear to Abramovich, Deripaska, Gref and their ilk that after the collapse of the country they would be asked to share unjustly acquired. Well, really, for them or something the country was falling apart, strained? And so many oligarchs are not needed for the role of effective managers. It would be enough for Chubais, Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky and another two-three "close" to the Family. The oligarchs did not want to share, and therefore they managed to approach the EBN in such a way that this drunk did the only good deed in his life. Namely, out of the project of the destruction of Russia. The cavalry attack on the nationalization of the Central Bank in 98 was unsuccessful. By the way, the Duma’s opposition in this matter clearly shows what the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is. Of course, the blocking of this issue by the Duma was only the tip of the iceberg of the struggle that unfolded in the upper ranks of the Russian Federation. Manifestations of this struggle were, for example, kicking in Yugoslavia with the seizure of airborne paratroopers, the turn of the Primakov aircraft, the same crisis of 98 of the year, which “put” Yeltsin in place, showing that it was impossible to go against the owners. Yeltsin, who had bucked up, of course, became displeased. It was necessary to send him to an honorable retirement (and how else could the leader of a nuclear power leave) and change to a more loyal one, which resulted in Operation Successor, conducted by the hands of Berezovsky, who needed a presiding officer. To not get under your feet and did not interfere with the finish work. The main requirements were as follows. The candidate should not be a public politician. After all, all public politicians were compromised, but, most importantly, behind them were some forces that could lead their game. The second is the presence of dirt to keep it on a short leash. The third is charisma and patriotism. Still, Zyuganov’s iron communist electorate could create problems, as was the case in 96. A certain former (or not former) KGB colonel met these requirements, which is already a good reason for liberal harassment, if that, but at the same time, will appeal to voters who are tired of the mess. Even better, he came from the previously defeated St. Petersburg clan Sobchak, i.e. had no political or economic power behind him. But on the other hand he had a compromising cart for his work in this clan. Well, the charisma of GDP also has to the full. Therefore, it is not strange that Berezovsky himself blessed the presidency of the GDP.

But BAB was inattentive. I don’t know when the GDP was mixed with the home-grown oligarchs, but after the election battles subsided, accompanied by house bombings with promises to “drown in the outhouse” of a relatively successful second Chechnya and patriotic rhetoric, it turned out that the successor didn’t want to kill Russia . And on the contrary, he begins to carry out actions in relation to the strengthening of its sovereignty, or rather, the attainment of such. GDP did not respond to warnings like “Kursk” (“it sank”). Then they tried to overthrow him, using manual mass media, unleashing Sobchak's dirt. But the media were not only the team of BAB, but also other oligarchs. Under their cover, the GDP turned into a counterattack using tried and tested methods of the KGB. As a result, Khodorkovsky found himself on the bench, and Gusinsky and BAB were in exile. These are just the main figures. Further, the GDP carried out tax law reform. Only one "simplified" made for the destruction of organized crime more than a hundred riot police combined. Businessmen were now quite able to seek help from the competent authorities, instead of paying the "roof", without fear that their dark frauds with black bookkeeping would emerge. Could deal with defaulters and scam through the courts and the bailiff service. As a result, many authorities realized that soon all of them would end. Maybe they were told that it was time to change into official chairs or develop a legal business. And for those who did not understand, they applied the same effective methods of the KGB. The defeat of the Komsomol obschak, whose leaders in the country camps took the oath of allegiance from the younger generation, is memorable. But it was earlier, and it ended with the death of the leader of the obschak in the SIZO.

All this led to the fact that in 2003-2008 in Russia, breathing has become much easier for both business and ordinary people. Legal small business gave new, well-paid jobs. And the abolition of the production sharing agreement allowed us to increase the patches in the public sector, making the civil service again a prestigious job, and solve the problems of paying pensions and salaries to state employees. Improved crime situation. Rising oil prices allowed to invest in the rearmament of the armed forces. Having received the state order, almost dead enterprises of the military industrial complex came to life, and state support and bank loans, which were fattening on the money passing through them, allowed to raise to the water part of the almost drowned industrial enterprises.
But against the background of all this, of course, the puff of the “national” president with figures like Chubais, Gaidar looked strange, a continuation of the “dancing on the bones” of the so-called “variety” with foolish songs, series and “90 Houses” started in 2's , bloating states of oligarchs close to power, the collapse of education, etc. But then, on the wave of economic growth, it seemed not so terrible, they say, just the hands have not reached yet.

Then the “crisis” of 2008 began. I do not know how others, but I did not feel for myself neither in 2008 nor in 2009 any consequences of this crisis. At least, there were definitely no significant consequences. But here in the surrounding events were very unpleasant moments. The first of them remembered the news of the raider seizure of NK "Alliance" of a large mining company in the Far East - the Artel miners Amur. This enterprise, which not only survived 90, but also gave, on a par with KnAAPO (which, by the way, was also “brought” under the Sukhoi holding), the main part of the regional income budget at that time. In addition to the mines themselves, which were very well equipped, Artel had various industries - agricultural, food processing, the production of synthetic detergents, a chain of stores, etc. Only in Khabarovsk there were 2 bases, which, in terms of size and equipment, were probably not inferior to the Khabarovsk-2 locomotive depot. The company had its own airline with a fleet of aircraft up to An-26 inclusive. The management of the Artel supported the Amur ice hockey team and the Nugget women's volleyball team, which contained the CYL hockey team. At the beginning of 2000, the mines' workmen could earn a one-room apartment for the season. Many drinking men thus supported families, leaving for the mines, where they lived on full support, and the earned money was paid to the families. Perhaps, the top of the activity of the Amur AS was the construction of the Platinum Arena sports center in Khabarovsk, which was at that time the “best of the Urals”, according to the expressions of the representatives of the hockey squads who visited the guest games. Perhaps it was done in vain. Because soon after the end of construction, Artel started having problems. Somehow it suddenly turned out that large stakes in the company were bought from the workers and top managers. Then, suddenly, the idea of ​​building a processing plant for obtaining ore gold died out after it was denied loans for this project. Then problems began with new development sites. And, finally, environmentalists "ran" over Artel. Which threatened to revoke mining licenses due to violations of environmental legislation. In order to cope with the misfortune, the leadership of Artel involved its connections in the regional government. As a result, inspectors were accused of extorting bribes and arrested. But after a while they were transferred to Moscow, where they were released, and the extortion case was stopped. After that, the Alliance used heavy artillery. Head of Artel V. Lopatyuk was accused of financial fraud, a criminal case was brought against him, as a result he was forced to emigrate. I suspect that his personal friendship with Governor V. played a significant role here. Ishaev. Because, oddly enough, he retained his blocking stake. But the main owner, after his escape, became NK "Alliance". As a result of this raider seizure, the Amur AS now got rid of all non-core assets, ceased supporting sports teams, which led to the fact that Nugget could not play in the top division, and before that, the girls had not been paid for a year . Of course, there is no talk of development of mining. True, the new owner is all worn with the project of "ore gold", but it has been worn for about five years now, but there is no point in it. At the enterprise, judging by the constant search for workers, personnel turnover has begun.
The second remarkable fact I can call the destruction of the airline "Dalavia". I can not say that it was as outstanding as the previous one. There were flaws in his work. But, at the very least, the company closed the years with a profit, leased modern Russian Tu-204 and Tu-214 aircraft, there were no wage delays, a new airport complex was built, flight safety was high. It all started with the fact that AK took away a new airport complex and refueling facilities in favor of Alliance Oil Company. Why was the privatization procedure started? Blocked by Governor V. Ishaev, who created the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Dalavia". But later, for the compliance of the AK leadership, a criminal case was opened against its leaders on financial frauds with leasing aircraft. As far as I know, no one is sitting on it, but in the light of the events that have taken place, this is not surprising. Since the privatization of the company was nevertheless carried out, and the following year, management changed in AK. At the head of the campaign, some Moscow "Varangians" were put in, which successfully for one and a half of the financial year led the company from profitability to billions of dollars in debt. True, these "Varyags" in Khabarovsk were seen only once, when they appointed performers on the ground after the change of leadership. After that they went to the Moscow underground. Yes, so successfully that even the governor of the region could not reach them when he tried to intervene in the situation with the only major regional airline. To quickly finish the campaign, Dalcombank OJSC refused to provide collateral for leased aircraft. As a result, Dalavia was declared bankrupt with a payable of 1,4 billion rubles and a receivable of 900 million rubles. As you can see, with the destruction of the campaign was in a hurry. Since its debts are clearly not comparable with the debts of other bankrupt AKs, amounting to tens of billions of rubles. At the same time, most of the aircraft and crews were transferred to AK Vladavia, which, in turn, was later absorbed by Aeroflot. By the way, the consequences of this scheme became fatal for Dalcombank, because in retaliation for refusing to provide collateral, the governor gave the bank a “panic”, giving an unspoken indication of withdrawal of funds from regional enterprises from it, which led to an excessive withdrawal of money by private investors. Then the bank resisted, taking a large loan from one of the foreign banks. Then this debt was resold to MTS Bank and was used to seize Dalcombank OJSC.

These are only those seizures that I could observe, so to speak, from within the captured enterprises (not myself, but through friends in them who worked at fairly high posts). A common thread in all these events are the schemes of raider seizure of property in favor of Moscow structures (Aeroflot) and big business (NK Alliance) using the administrative power resource. These events took place against the background of such events as a sharp rise in prices for fuel and utility services, which outpaced the growth in prices for all goods and essential goods in relation to the growth in wages. Strengthening bureaucratic arbitrariness and corruption.

With the support of a powerful repressive machine, created during the defeat of organized crime and raider schemes, all standing and maintaining the independence of the enterprise are captured. Officials and security officials occupy the place before the bandits who protected the small business. With that, unlike organized crime, the bureaucratic "roof" does not protect against anything, but only consumes and creates additional barriers. Extremely heavy burden on small business lay the creation of self-regulatory organizations. Who, consuming the money of their members, give nothing in return. Moreover, through these organizations an enormous amount of money is withdrawn from business. After all, for example, in the construction industry, the contribution to the compensation fund is 300 thousand rubles, regardless of what and how much the organization is doing. In addition to this and monthly membership fees, all working SROs require their members to insure liability. Moreover, in some organizations, insurance has several levels, both common to all members at the SRO level, and private. But at the same SRO and can not give anything. Because they work according to strictly prescribed laws and regulations and can not bring anything from themselves into the work of the industry (except for tightening the norms established by the state, but whoever does this, no one wants to lose revenues because of the withdrawal of SRO members). Therefore, there is no self-regulation in these organizations. It is just another supervisory authority and a body for pumping funds out of business. Moreover, the quality of supervision by an SRO is no better than by licensing commissions. Since it is not a secret that commercial SROs exist in all spheres of activity, which, apart from money, require nothing more from their members. All this, as well as an increase in fees to the FIU from the wage fund, dealt a severe blow to small businesses, again forcing it to go into the shadows and creating conditions for a new round of organized crime, but on new principles - bureaucratic.

What conclusions can we draw from the foregoing? In the early 2000s, the oligarchs defended Russia from destruction, but now considered that they had already invested enough in ensuring stability and protecting their feeding trough. And they began to play their favorite game - to rob others around. What is the role of GDP in events unfolding after 2008? I can’t say this unambiguously. First, from 2008 to 2012, GDP was not officially the country's leader. It is rather difficult to assess how sincere the differences between DAM and GDP on the issue of Libya, the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and other high-profile issues of “interregnum” were. And how serious were the attempts to prevent Putin from taking the presidency again. The preservation by DAM of the prime minister's position during the year casts a serious shadow on these disagreements. Along with the above negativity, during this time events such as the war in South Ossetia, support to Syria in its struggle against NATO intervention, the Nord Stream was put into operation, the army is reequipped and fleet. The state opposes the LGBT revolution, it is frozen, perhaps temporarily, the introduction of juvenile justice, Medvedev's de-Stalinization did not pass.

The situation seems to me in this light. Russia is now a besieged fortress, which protects the good that has been stolen from the people by oligarchs. This is evidenced by the strengthening of the country's defense, the setting of a barrier to the destruction of the family, the support of Syria. But at the same time, Russia is part of the capitalist world. This is evidenced by oligarchic lawlessness, Russia's participation in the support of the world reserve currency, the strangulation of small and medium-sized businesses in favor of large corporations, the growing gap in incomes between the poor and the rich. And, what is the most lousy that this fortress can be surrendered at any time. If its leadership will be offered the honorable conditions of surrender. This is evidenced by the fact that Chubais is alive and well, and the Russian people are increasingly being fitted to capitalist standards by duping people through the mass media and the defeat of education.

Here I turn from the confident ground of knowledge and the conclusions based on them to the shaky ground of assumptions.
Who is in this system of GDP? Most likely, the hired manager of the Russian oligarchy. He was called to step in at the helm of the country in order to protect the riches of the home-grown elite. And he, “like a slave on galleys,” diligently and successfully works on the task set. Naturally, he is stopping such dangerous issues for the defended fortress as juvenalk, LGBT, de-Stalinization, since they can cause an internal explosion even in such disunited and frightened people as we have. But no less, if not more dangerous questions of national politics and migrants, corruption, one thing “Oboronservis” is worth, for some reason, in the attention orbit of GDP does not fall. And how else, because in these areas huge money is spinning. Well, oligarchs and senior officials who have grown together with them cannot step on the throat of their song, which brings them multibillion-dollar profits. If you can’t rob a budget on a production sharing agreement, then God himself told you to cut it through shadow schemes like “Obronservis” and “Skolkovo”.

What conclusions can be drawn from the above? Paraphrasing the first president of the Russian Federation, one can say that Russia will live long but not well. In the Russian Federation there was a type of power structure that was characteristic of the reign of the last Romanov. As shown by the First Russian Revolution (1905 of the Year), which was primarily Russian, and not sponsored from the West, this structure, which has a powerful repressive apparatus, is sufficiently resistant to internal shocks. An external shock in relation to a power, which in a matter of hours can terminate the existence of mankind, is hardly possible with sufficient force. At the same time, the problems of Cyprus and the BAB, which was cut to the last, showed our oligarchs that without sufficient force behind their backs, their wealth and property are not worth a penny. Therefore, there is little chance that they will go to surrender Russia in exchange for joining the Club of the Chosen. T. o. The Russian Federation can "rot" for quite a long time, renewed from time to time with private reforms. And the oligarchic regime in Moscow can rule for quite a long time. Preservation of stability in the territory of the Russian Federation will depend on how well the authorities will successfully cope with the policy of controlled chaos on the outskirts of the country. But, at least, the regions of central Russia, the North, Siberia, and the Far East are not seriously threatened by serious upheavals (but most likely). All areas where the Strategic Missile Forces are based will certainly be maintained under the control of the authorities. The dominance of the “national minorities” is not going anywhere due to the fact that they are necessary instead of the organized crime of 90's for the separation and intimidation of the people. Social issues in the work of the leadership of the Russian Federation will continue to remain at a high enough level of priority. True, their optimization, on the example of pension reform, is inevitable, but it will affect not all of them and will be carried out very gradually along with preventive measures against popular protest (such as “reform” of education, continuing to fool people through the media, strengthening and distancing from the people of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the bureaucracy). In the field of ideology, unfortunately, we are not expecting anything new and interesting, we will be very lucky if we do not remove the rule about the separation of church and state. It is also hard to disappoint those hoping for a return to socialism (first of all - themselves). Small business will remain in the area of ​​small retail and in the region affiliated with big business and government agencies for organizing schemes to divert money from the public sector.

The chances of replacing the oligarchic power structure are very small. And they are connected with a suicidal world elite war against the Russian Federation. In this hypothetical situation, the chances for us are even more scanty.
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  1. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 5 November 2013 10: 39
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    interesting analytics! whatever you say Putin is Putin!
    But the article is not complete, as everything is one-sided!
    And indeed, what is it that we have one prison, while others in the mansions are awaiting trial!
    How long our business will be in Moscow.
    How long will the murderer of Russian soldiers be the hero and the head, and the soldier the hero beggar.
    When we ordinary pensioners will live with dignity.
    There are many questions, one person can give an answer! but he is silent.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 November 2013 10: 43
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      Author Alik Kantor Chances of changing the oligarchic power structure are very small.


      Yeah ... there was such a cartoon Vovka in the distant kingdom
    2. APES
      APES 5 November 2013 10: 57
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      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      There are many questions, one person can give an answer! but he is silent


      I’ll say simply - I don’t believe him.
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 5 November 2013 17: 52
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        Quote: APES
        I’ll say simply - I don’t believe him.

        Neighbor Belarus. But for example, many believe that they can win in a simple station game - a thimble.
        Even when the thimbler "loses," he wins. Political thimbles are not very different from "non-political" ones. If you (do not consider it harsh) it seemed that Putin sometimes loses, you are already very addicted to the gambling engagement provided to you. He doesn't play because there is no game. There is a Lokhovskoye razvodilovo disguised as political games. you should not look at the facial expressions of the katala or the flickering of his hands, the ball is never under any of the roads, and if you manage to find it between your fingers, then you will not be able to triumphantly shout aha (!). For the time being, there is always a couple of strong guys behind your back for you and a couple more for those who are going to take your side as a whistle-blower. Putin will not lose because he is not playing.
        1. 31231
          31231 5 November 2013 20: 07
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          Dear, you recently told me about the "United State", and you are signing as a neighbor. Maybe you should write then "Citizen of the United State"?

          That's right, Putin is not playing, because the leader of a large country needs to work. And your imagination plays.
          1. goldfinger
            goldfinger 5 November 2013 20: 54
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            Quote: 31231
            That's right, Putin is not playing, because the leader of a large country needs to work. And your imagination plays.

            Dear! Any whim for a neighbor from the United State! As you wish, we will do it!
            I thought that such a nice, corrosive person like you carefully read the text itself, which caused your irritation. But, quote - "Putin will not lose because he is not playing." Those. "oil oil." My position, in this case, coincides with yours, Dear.
        2. alexng
          alexng 5 November 2013 23: 05
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          Quote: goldfinger
          ... Putin will not lose because he does not play.


          He methodically cuts the wings for those who want the collapse of the country and by inertia continues to withdraw money abroad. Well, for those who have not yet understood that the time of betrayal has come to its logical end, an unenviable fate awaits.
          Regarding "stool" - it is not over yet and the legs of this Buratino's stool have not yet been filed, but the check, and more than one, has already been announced. This business must be approached with a head so as not to lose your head from your shoulders.
          And the article itself seems to have been written by a virtuoso "thimbler". It looks like the veiled excrement of a "liberal of easy virtue" designed for the village mentality. The price of the article is 30 pesos.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 23: 08
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            Quote: alexneg
            The price of the article is 30 pesos.

            Judging by the responses, someone is missing this amount ... laughing
          2. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 6 November 2013 05: 39
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            What legs, what stool? Already in the media they announced that the materials collected in relation to Serdyukov did not indicate his guilt, did not indicate the guilt of his deputies, operatives and investigators worked poorly ... like that. Everything that has been done is all in vain.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 5 November 2013 21: 40
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        Quote: APES
        I’ll say simply - I don’t believe him.


        In 2000. if I were told about the current state of the economy, the army, the military-industrial complex, the position of Russia in the world, which is gradually acquiring the status it should be. I would say the same. And at the elections I did not vote for him at that time. Today this is the slogan of the all-proprietors and alarmists and the revolutionaries who have joined them who want everything and right away tomorrow and right now, to screw up the entire "5th column", "get rid of the bucks" while sitting in warmth and prosperity, Well, let them try to arrange revolution. After all, it's so easy to beat the Kremlin cretins who "don't feel the country." Enough revolutions when Russians kill Russians for the sake of enriching the world behind the scenes. Backstage must be fought with behind-the-scenes methods, which is what Putin is doing. The easiest way is to get rid of the bucks, hang Abramovich and Kerimov and Voloshin's own yacht on the yacht, but what about imported products and Ford Focus on credit?
        And when Sechin creates a project for an international gas exchange without dollars, and Putin has a BRICS bank instead of the IMF, where are the applause? I read almost all the comments and did not see. Of course, it is better to listen to the evil whispers of lisping neogaydarchiks who demand the project to be buried and Sechin to be scrapped. Recently, on one of the branches I brought a list of mayors of large cities who have been arrested recently and whose case has been brought to the planting and asked myself if this was possible in 2000? For Russia, nothing is impossible and history has proved this. And Putin proved this by pulling the country out of a deep abyss.Let's be realistic, and not all-prominent nihilists. Otherwise, we’ll wipe the country again as the Union was dragged!
        1. Normal
          Normal 5 November 2013 22: 32
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          Quote: Ascetic
          .We will be realists, not all-endeavors-nihilists

          Yes, Stanislav, we will not be all-companions. We will not be all the other prosaloschiki - the surest way to prosrait the country, as the prosrai Union.
          1. 31231
            31231 5 November 2013 22: 53
            +1
            And they pissed it off in a similar way. In the kitchens they discussed "fried facts" from Solzhenitsy and the Voices of America. Today, however, 2/3 of the media are "fried facts". And each is interested in his own way. And most of these "facts" hawala.
            1. Normal
              Normal 5 November 2013 23: 22
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              Quote: 31231
              And they pissed it off in a similar way. In the kitchens they discussed "fried facts" from Solzhenitsy and the Voices of America. Today, however, 2/3 of the media are "fried facts".

              Normal pro-government demagoguery.
              Then it was not Solzhenitsin and the Voice of America that were discussed. No one but a handful of wealthy intellectuals and majors had nothing to do with them. They discussed the introduction of food stamps - they did not forget that a jar of cigarette butts cost a ruble and this was not before Yeltsin, but before it.
              And now in the kitchen we are not discussing the fried facts, but what additional (paid) items for the daughter at school we can afford based on the family budget and where can I get the money for the operation to remove the intervertebral hernia.
              You can shout for a long time and selflessly that GDP saved the country from collapse (which is not provable), but paid secondary education and medicine, accession to the WTO, and therefore the destruction of the remnants of domestic production, are the undoubted merits of President Putin.
              1. 31231
                31231 5 November 2013 23: 48
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                but paid secondary education and medicine, entry into the WTO, which means the destruction of the remnants of domestic production -

                Can these words be facts?
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 6 November 2013 01: 05
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                  Quote: Normal
                  "... but paid secondary education and medicine ..."


                  The medicine is still free,
                  it's just that the doctors don’t have enough money for everything.

                  "According to the head of the Accounts Chamber, Tatyana Golikova, the quality of medical services may sharply decline from January 1, 2014.
                  She attributed this to problems with funding federal medical institutions ... "
                  http://tvrain.ru/articles/golikova_predupredila_ob_uhudshenii_s_novogo_goda_kach
                  estva_meditsinskih_uslug_v_moskve_i_peterburge-355288 /

                  “This is a deliberate destruction of free healthcare. What patients will no longer be taken by the metropolitan ambulance.
                  http://tvrain.ru/articles/eto_soznatelnoe_razrushenie_besplatnogo_zdravoohraneni
                  ja_kakih_bolnyh_bolshe_ne_budet_zabirat_stolichnaja_skoraja_pomosch-350775 /

                  And about teachers-bribe takers and doctors extorting money from patients already shoot videos.
                  Clip "Bribe teachers and doctors".
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME72JvGbgwQ
                2. Normal
                  Normal 6 November 2013 18: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: 31231
                  Can these words be facts?

                  Who seeks will always find. Who does not want to understand - to him at least the count on the head is comic.
    3. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 01
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      And it seems to me that I have adequately covered the main negative aspects of the board of GDP, at least your questions are present there. Unfortunately, the answer is also at the end.
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      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 11: 55
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        Quote: alicante11
        Unfortunately, the answer is also at the end.



        And my answer would be: What kind of international are you for? simplify: are you for white or red?

        So at the end (for me) it became clear = but you don’t have any specific understanding
        reality! (in any case, fog)

        And do not = engage in fraud.

        The answer is rather (I don’t have it, too) that the GDP asked NATO - take us to NATO guys! And he answered: no, how, and who is our ENEMY?
        Well, sort of like, not quite an enemy, and so - hypothetically an enemy! So - SCARAW!
        Frighten them to his people! Salvage pump out and write off!

        But our GDP is not the answer! (and note - THIS is said for the whole ETHER, no one has denied).

        And if NATO said: yes there is no GDP, do not lie, you did not ask us! Or: why is Russia, come to us!

        That would be different!
        something like this!
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 12: 58
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          And my answer would be: What kind of international are you for? simplify: are you for white or red?


          I managed to stay only a pioneer, but I remain a communist (not to be confused with the Communist Party).

          So at the end (for me) it became clear = but you don’t have any specific understanding
          reality! (in any case, fog)


          The story is variable :). But 90% of the options are a conservation of the existing situation. True, the rest of 10 is no better.

          Or: why Russia, let us come! That would be different!
          something like this!


          What I had the honor to say.

          And, the most lousy thing is that this fortress can be surrendered at any time. If her leadership will be offered honorable conditions of surrender. This is evidenced by the fact that Chubais lives and lives, and the Russian people are increasingly being adjusted to capitalist standards, by fooling people through the media and defeating education.
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 15: 07
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            Quote: alicante11
            I managed to stay only a pioneer, but I remain a communist (not to be confused with the Communist Party).


            Without becoming them, do you stay?
            Quote: alicante11
            And, the most lousy thing is that this fortress can be surrendered at any time.


            Take it higher and wider = Russia will be sold to the USA !!!!!

            What are the little things?

            When that (about 45 years ago) on b / w (still) TV there was a program like: Marxism-Leninism (I don't remember exactly) So we looked and were surprised = "bastard, he spits this Marxism for 1,5 hours and never spurred will not look!


            You should live at that time!
            1. alicante11
              5 November 2013 15: 24
              +4
              Without becoming them, do you stay?


              In the shower.
            2. varov14
              varov14 5 November 2013 20: 16
              +1
              However, he lived. Once our secretary general spoke, one of the long-livers. So my grandfather said, "You know, granddaughters, I heard Trotsky, this was the tribune, after his speech you could go to hell." I believe my grandfather unconditionally. Himself, being young, I heard Fidel, also a tribune, and the main thing is ideological. As soon as we have one - without a piece of paper, the country will do everything and everyone. Of course, I am not unambiguous about Trotsky, I respect Fidel.
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 6 November 2013 02: 35
                +2
                Quote: varov14
                "Of course I am not unambiguous about Trotsky ..."


                Everything has been written about Trotsky lately.
                That he is the organizer of concentration camps in Russia even before Stalin.
                That he was selling the national treasure of Russia abroad,
                surrounded himself with hired Latvian arrows,
                forced some peasants to shoot at others.
                What Trotsky contributed to the emergence of the New Economic Policy
                in Russia when “Products of the socialist sector, as a rule,
                didn’t go directly to consumers, but fell into the hands of NEPmanov,
                that sold it at a margin of several hundred percent.
                As a result of such speculation and the expansion of the black market,
                undermining nationalized industries in the country appeared
                large private capital.
                The workers were no longer able to pay high rents for the good apartments to which they were relocated after the revolution, and gradually returned to the slums ”(A. Barmin.“ Trotsky Falcons ”).

                Military leaders, for example, Tukhachevsky, were engaged in discontent.
                http://www.sotnia.ru/tocsin/2012/37-38/37-38_01.htm
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        2. alone
          alone 5 November 2013 19: 39
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Are you for white or red?


          remembered dad Angel with a banner on a cart wassat

          "Beat the whites for being white. Beat the reds for being red!"
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 5 November 2013 21: 12
            +4
            Hello Omar. The carriage read "Hit the red until they turn white, hit the white until they turn red. hi Old Man Angel, according to him, was for peasant power.
            1. alone
              alone 5 November 2013 22: 19
              +1
              hello count! what mdyaya .. already getting old. it was impossible to forget this.
      3. Orik
        Orik 5 November 2013 12: 37
        12
        A good critical analysis, both positive and negative sides of Putin are highlighted. With an analysis of the external situation, "An external shock of sufficient strength in relation to a power that in a matter of hours can cease the existence of mankind is hardly possible." the author makes a mistake, so the conclusion is not correct. The overdue contradictions and imbalances in the external environment can be postponed by the world elite (which is what we see now), but it is impossible to solve, the exact no return has been passed. The only question is, how are they resolved ?! We are fully (!) Embedded in today's world and the restructuring of the world life order will inevitably fully affect us, and it does not matter that we "can end the existence of humanity in a matter of hours." Today's relative stability is built on the sand of lack of ideas, unbridled materialism and consumption will begin to crack and collapse as its material bonds weaken. What will replace it? Unfortunately, given the current state of the Russian people, the outcome may be sad, the only hope remains for a miracle.
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 12: 59
          +1
          "An external shock of sufficient strength in relation to a power that in a matter of hours can cease the existence of mankind is hardly possible." the author makes a mistake, so the conclusion is not correct.


          I thought a lot about it. But this is material for a separate article :).
          1. Orik
            Orik 5 November 2013 14: 16
            16
            Here you can write a book and collected works. smile The question is different, you indicated in your brief opinion that the presence of nuclear weapons is a guarantee against all external problems, but this is not so. Nuclear weapons did not protect us from the collapse of the USSR. Those factors that can significantly affect the Russian Federation are not destroyed by nuclear weapons, they are at a different level. You can’t fight ideas with guns! Stalin first formed the idea, and then created industry and nuclear weapons to protect worldview values.
            1. alicante11
              6 November 2013 09: 29
              0
              Catherine No. 2 was a smart woman, but a woman :). Guns cannot be fought with ideas, but they can kill carriers of ideas. And in this case - in the event of a nuclear conflict there will be no ideas left ... nor their carriers.
      4. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 5 November 2013 12: 42
        26
        I agree with you, Alik Kantor.
        Putin is a representative of the oligarchy in power, with all the shortcomings arising from this provision.
        Putin got rid of the odious oligarchs of the wave of the 90s Berezovsky and Co., with the help of which he came to power in order to escape from the humiliating direct submission to them, and to obtain a certain freedom of action.
        "Putin and the oligarchs", especially after the events in Algeria and the sad fate of Gaddafi, understand that in the competition with the world sharks of capitalism in the US and the West, he and the Russian oligarchs need protection and a strong army to maintain their positions. And so they began to rapidly take measures to strengthen it, although quite recently they, with the aim of indefatigable enrichment, smashed it with the help of the "effective manager" Serdyukov.
        A similar defense of the "Putin and the oligarchs" positions with social guarantees for the population. The oligarchs who hold power understand that if you completely shut off the social valve, you can get a social explosion that will sweep away all their wealth and themselves.
        Hence all the "positive" and negative aspects of Putin's activities at the head of Russia follow.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 13: 01
          -3
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Hence all the "positive" and negative aspects of Putin's activities at the head of Russia follow.


          and did not try to suggest that the GDP simply wants "good" for his country?

          No, well, like that, in a simple way, in a workers 'and peasants' way, as it were: "It's a shame for HOLDING"!
          What am I missing? Everything is! You won’t take anything with you (but 7 dozen)

          SO LET ABOUT ME A GOOD MEMORY WILL REMAIN !!!

          This, NOR?

          Judge by yourself?
          1. alicante11
            5 November 2013 13: 45
            20
            and did not try to suggest that the GDP simply wants "good" for his country?


            I thought so before. And even now, such a hope glimmers somewhere very deeply. But the facts are stubborn. There are no exits for "good". And the only road to the country's revival is through the return to socialism. But it is completely cut by the same GDP.

            Judge by yourself?


            I do not judge. Note that there is no censure in the article. Only reasoning :).
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 5 November 2013 15: 54
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              But the facts are stubborn. There are no exits for good


              How do you like the fact of such a thing as "an increase in the birth rate, a drop in mortality and an increase in life expectancy"?
              There are a lot of problems, but cutting off the shoulder about "there are no exits" ... a kind of moral suicide

              Quote: alicante11
              Note that there is no censure in the article. Only reasoning

              It is strange that the reasoning in the article is not based on facts, but on other reasoning, but in the end it is said that

              Here i turn with confident soil of knowledge and conclusions based on them on shaky ground of assumptions.


              A kind of Primakov-2, was in the thick of things and I know!
              1. alicante11
                5 November 2013 16: 08
                +3
                How do you like the fact of such a thing as "an increase in the birth rate, a drop in mortality and an increase in life expectancy"?


                There is such a fact, in three. At the expense of life expectancy not notified. Is it particularly important to reflect this among other advantages? It seems to me that this is precisely the result of the economic upswing that took place in the 2000, thanks to which I do not deny the rate of GDP.

                It is strange that the reasoning in the article is not based on facts, but on other reasoning, but in the end it is said that


                Is it jerking or inattention? It says that there is no "condemnation", not "facts".
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 5 November 2013 16: 49
                  -3
                  Just sorry, but before the phrase

                  Here I turn from the confident ground of knowledge and the conclusions based on them to the shaky ground of assumptions.


                  not a single fact is given in support of your idea of ​​"Russia as a besieged fortress to protect the oligarchs", only speculation or the same reasoning about what happened in 98th year.


                  Quote: alicante11
                  But the facts are stubborn. There are no exits for "good".

                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  How do you like the fact of such a thing as "an increase in the birth rate, a drop in mortality and an increase in life expectancy"?

                  Quote: alicante11
                  There is such a fact, the very three ... a consequence of the economic recovery that occurred in the 2000s, thanks to what I do not deny, the rate of GDP.


                  The question is, where is the connection between your first and second comment? How to understand there is no way out for good?
                  1. alicante11
                    5 November 2013 17: 23
                    0
                    not a single fact is given in support of your idea of ​​"Russia as a besieged fortress to protect the oligarchs", only speculation or the same reasoning about what happened in 98th year.


                    Hmm, issues of rearmament of the army are not facts? An active foreign policy position of the Russian Federation is not a fact? And specifically, the Syrian question. Or is it not a fact that the main losses in Cyprus were suffered by Russian finances? At the same time, rampant raider seizures, rising prices of natural monopolies, aren't these facts of the one for whom foreign policy activity is carried out? In my opinion, the facts are quite enough. I brought up the questions of raider seizures with evidence of the actual schemes, for which I have already been blamed, but if you give the rest of the evidence, this is not the volume of an article, but a major study in book format.

                    The question is, where is the connection between your first and second comment?


                    The positive aspects of the GDP policy have exhausted themselves. In order to continue building on the positive aspects of "getting good", on the development of Russia, it is necessary to change the political, and, most importantly, the economic model of Russia. Otherwise, stagnation and stagnation, which we are already seeing. And an increase in the birth rate is not a thing in itself, as it has increased and will decrease when economic indicators deteriorate.
                    1. bolonenkov
                      bolonenkov 5 November 2013 17: 55
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      In my opinion, the facts are quite enough.

                      Things like rearmament of the army, the Syrian issue and so on are part of everyday life in any country and cannot be proof that "Russia is a besieged fortress of oligarchs."
                      Was my question to you about the "facts" on which you rely when denouncing the president as a "manager for the oligarchs"?
                      After all, you write that Boris B made Putin president, but then other oligarchs threw him off .... where did you get this from? I'm about the facts

                      Quote: alicante11
                      Otherwise, the stagnation and stagnation that we are already observing


                      We do not observe it (stagnation) only in China and Germany, and the rest is a disease of the entire world economy and the EU in the above privacy, and he is our main trading partner. Moreover, who said that the phenomenon can be called stagnation based on the results of one year?
                      1. alicante11
                        6 November 2013 02: 30
                        +1
                        Things like rearmament of the army, the Syrian issue, etc. are part of the ordinary life of any country and cannot be proof that "Russia is a besieged fortress of oligarchs."
                        .

                        Rearmament alone cannot. But coupled with oligarchic lawlessness and stratification of income, the "Cyprus" option is quite.

                        After all, you write that Boris B made Putin president, but then other oligarchs threw him off .... where did you get this from? I'm about the facts


                        I did not write that BAB put it, I said that BAB carried out Operation Heir. Considering that the operation was carried out outside the legal framework, documents about it, except for the memoirs of the participants, could not remain.

                        We do not observe it (stagnation) only in China and Germany, and the rest is a disease of the entire world economy and the EU in the above privacy, and he is our main trading partner. Moreover, who said that the phenomenon can be called stagnation based on the results of one year?


                        I don't care about the EU and the world economy. In the 30s, there was also a depression in the "world economy". And in the USSR - industrialization.
                        At the expense of one year, he is far from alone. In fact of the matter.
                      2. sleepy
                        sleepy 6 November 2013 02: 52
                        0
                        Quote: bolonenkov
                        "How do you like the fact of such a thing as" an increase in the birth rate, a drop in mortality and an increase in life expectancy? "


                        Fertility growth due to confidence in positive changes in the country, although the trend continues to take children abroad.
                        Who is richer - to America, to Switzerland.
                        Who is worse than considering Belarus as an option.

                        “Belarus needs to increase its population.
                        This was stated by Alexander Lukashenko during a press conference for representatives of the Russian media,
                        which takes place in Minsk today.
                        “The biggest problem we have today
                        not even money - people! "."
                        http://news.21.by/economics/2013/10/11/830812.html
                      3. bolonenkov
                        bolonenkov 6 November 2013 11: 05
                        -4
                        Quote: alicante11
                        I did not write that BAB put it, I said that BAB carried out Operation Heir. Considering that the operation was carried out outside the legal framework, documents about it, except for the memoirs of the participants, could not remain.

                        Ie you have no facts. Since even the memories of the participants and their names are given ...


                        Quote: alicante11
                        I don't care about the EU and the world economy. In the 30s, there was also a depression in the "world economy". And in the USSR - industrialization.

                        In the USSR at that time there was already a second famine, and industrialization.
                        We, too, may not pay pensions, and build more plants, but it is probably better both of them at the same time, even if not so much
                      4. alicante11
                        6 November 2013 11: 48
                        +3
                        Well, if you are satisfied with the memories, see the memoirs of BAB himself. And also the revelations of Natalia Yumasheva.


                        In the USSR at that time there was already a second famine, and industrialization.


                        Or maybe we will pay pensions and build factories? Just a little dispossessed oligarchs and enough for everyone.
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        2. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 5 November 2013 16: 21
          +8
          Quote: alicante11
          I thought so before. And even now, such hope is warming somewhere very deeply. But the facts are stubborn.

          yes, it's all sad. I have to agree with what you said. The only small hope for the ambition of the GDP, as my late dad used to say - "I want more money, after reaching a certain limit I want power, and not figurative, but real". In this regard, the GDP gives little hope, in some of its words there is a desire to remain in history not only as an "effective" manager, but as a truly national leader. At least I want to believe in it, it is hard to live without faith. And since the facts are stubborn things, I agree with the material of the article and the author's judgments by 99%.
        3. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 5 November 2013 17: 16
          +5
          All ordinary people hoped, but alas ...
        4. Ivanovich47
          Ivanovich47 5 November 2013 21: 18
          -1
          Actually thingnot yours weigh, excuse me. And the Americans say that Putin is pulling Russia into socialism. Somehow it does not fit with your reasoning.
          1. alicante11
            6 November 2013 02: 32
            0
            Actually the thing is not your weight, sorry. And the Americans say that Putin is pulling Russia into socialism. Somehow it does not fit with your reasoning.


            Basically, I think it's understandable that this was written on purpose. But what is expressed. that GDP is "pulling the country into socialism"?
        5. 31231
          31231 5 November 2013 21: 55
          0
          But the facts are stubborn.


          Note that there is no censure in the article. Only reasoning :).


          "These are only those seizures that I could observe, so to speak, from within the captured enterprises (not myself, but through acquaintances who worked in them at fairly high positions)"


          "Super-logical" phrases.
          1. alicante11
            6 November 2013 02: 34
            0
            And what is the illogic?
            Am I blaming someone? I give specific examples (for myself, yes, I condemn, but not in the article). But to condemn or applaud is your decision.

            And the facts - they really are very stubborn ... vech.
            1. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 06: 10
              0
              Where are the facts ?! I saw only your words, with stubborn inventions.
              1. alicante11
                6 November 2013 09: 05
                +2
                He who has eyes, let him see.
      5. Airman
        Airman 5 November 2013 14: 35
        +9
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Hence all the "positive" and negative aspects of Putin's activities at the head of Russia follow.


        and did not try to suggest that the GDP simply wants "good" for his country?

        No, well, like that, in a simple way, in a workers 'and peasants' way, as it were: "It's a shame for HOLDING"!
        What am I missing? Everything is! You won’t take anything with you (but 7 dozen)

        SO LET ABOUT ME A GOOD MEMORY WILL REMAIN !!!

        This, NOR?

        Judge by yourself?

        According to his "deeds" for the welfare of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the people.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 14: 55
          -1
          Quote: Povshnik
          According to his "deeds" for the welfare of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the people.



          / impoverishment of the people / = Oh! What vector is all down and down? Lies.

          It’s impossible to please everyone! and out of the pit - a country crawls out, fact.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 5 November 2013 16: 54
            -2
            and you get your well-deserved minus in karma, because it is worthless among Russian liberals and all-embracers to emit positive rays and say that everything is not as bad as many people want.

            It should be admitted that such a good and, I would say, patriotic, but politically neutral resource as a topvar becomes more like the Dozhd TV channel's website or the Ekho Moskvy website. This applies to both the authors of the "Opinion" section and many commentators.
            1. Starfish
              Starfish 5 November 2013 20: 03
              0
              "This applies to both the authors of the" Opinion "section and many commentators."

              they forgot to add the majority of the people. only to "echo of matzo" "it has nothing to do.
            2. Ivanovich47
              Ivanovich47 5 November 2013 21: 52
              -1
              You can no longer be good by definition. You are an American. So you are an enemy of Russia. But it’s not strange. I will not put you a minus. Although you are the enemy. I distributed all the minuses to the neighbors. So. that be healthy!
              1. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 5 November 2013 23: 23
                +2
                I am from Ufa, now in China in training, the great Chinese firewall closes access to YouTube, so I use freegate, hence the Amer IP))
                Now disconnected, there must be Chinese
            3. 31231
              31231 5 November 2013 22: 18
              +1
              The most interesting thing is that these all-proslavers do not operate on facts. So the author, from the words of acquaintances, wrote fictions.
              At the same time, he didn’t even bother to rummage around in the network and make comparisons of the mentioned companies before his acquaintances were in high positions in these companies and after. Of course, it is a pity to the author that he lost his acquaintances at high posts in fairly large companies.
              Personally, I can express my feelings about these companies so.
              He flew to Vladavia several times. I liked that the cabin was usually half empty and you could go in the tail and lie on three seats to sleep. Plus I really liked the assortment of grubs.
              Two years ago, our company was imposed on Artel Amur contractors on Conder. Do not climb. Caught a glimpse of the Internet on the theme of the Amurov Conder. I learned that the owner is the Czech Musa Bazhaev from NK Alliance. Reviews of employees about working at Conder are different, mostly negative. True, I did not make any conclusions, because it is difficult to judge statements on the Internet without working on the spot.
              I would have clapped my hands to the author if he had given statistics on tax deductions and average salaries according to these companies. But, alas, only "kitchen" conversations. Personally, for me it is not clear "What does Putin have to do with it?"
              1. alicante11
                6 November 2013 02: 38
                0
                He flew to Vladavia several times. I liked that the cabin was usually half empty and you could go in the tail and lie on three seats to sleep. Plus I really liked the assortment of grubs.


                If you read the article carefully, you would see that it was Dalavia.

                Two years ago, our company was imposed on Artel Amur contractors on Conder. Do not climb. Caught a glimpse of the Internet on the theme of the Amurov Conder. I learned that the owner is the Czech Musa Bazhaev from NK Alliance. Reviews of employees about working at Conder are different, mostly negative. True, I did not make any conclusions, because it is difficult to judge statements on the Internet without working on the spot.


                This is exactly what I said, that after the Alliance Oil Company became the owner of the Artel. The situation there has become much worse.

                I would have clapped my hands to the author if he had given statistics on tax deductions and average salaries according to these companies. But, alas, only "kitchen" conversations. Personally, for me it is not clear "What does Putin have to do with it?"


                Materials are freely available, but you can’t shove everything into the article. And so blamed on too detailed a statement. You will not please :).
                1. 31231
                  31231 6 November 2013 06: 13
                  -2
                  This is exactly what I said, that after the Alliance Oil Company became the owner of the Artel. The situation there has become much worse.

                  Materials are freely available, but you can’t shove everything into the article. And so blamed on too detailed a statement. You will not please :).


                  I can’t understand something ?! Who wrote the article? I AM? You yourself could not work out a topic so that your unfounded accusations of NK Alliance would look justified ?!
                  1. alicante11
                    6 November 2013 09: 11
                    +2
                    Try to think, maybe it will work out. The amount of material in order to convince every unbeliever foma imagine? But I did not set such a task. Many have examples with which he will replace mine. If you have something to refute - go ahead, good luck.
          2. godun
            godun 5 November 2013 20: 47
            +1
            It is clear and visible to someone who pleases, but the country does not crawl out of the pit, but climbs into another place, which is not called a pit ... By the nature of my activity I communicate with people of different social backgrounds. the situation, and according to their statements, practically everyone is deteriorating both in their affairs and in their living standards.
        2. Belogor
          Belogor 5 November 2013 15: 33
          +2
          According to his "deeds" for the welfare of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the people.
          The people are completely impoverished, only personal vehicles are becoming more and more and Russians on foreign holidays are not diminishing, in spite of any crises. The author clicks, he has such a style.
          1. VAF
            VAF 5 November 2013 18: 40
            +5
            Quote: Belogor
            more and more, and Russians on foreign holiday is not diminishing, in spite of any crises.


            For 10 days I flew to Greece ... all inclusive, 5 stars .. my wife took a ticket, so I included dinner, and it would be cheaper.
            So, together with the flight back there, it "got up" only 50 rubles.
            We rested as in paradise, so much to eat and drink .. not possible.

            I went to Gelendzhik for 5 days with my wife .. for the holidays ... 120 pieces and a bunch of nerves were "lowered".

            So .. "tie" with .. "more and more" and vehicles.

            cars from the people all for loans ... and how many "horrible" you know, but what now banks in ... ne because of these loans and threatens a banking system crisis because of .. non-refunds ???

            slipper that..not a kindergarten..here wassat
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 19: 44
              +4
              Quote: vaf
              For 10 days I flew to Greece ... all inclusive, 5 stars .. my wife took a ticket, so I included dinner, and it would be cheaper.


              A ride, because it has become worse under Putin? And then everyone is crying, crying, but in the resorts, please, a car - yes, please ... what is a good life for you if this is bad? Private jet and castle in the Maldives?
              1. 31231
                31231 5 November 2013 20: 24
                +3
                Many people will not please you, the main thing is to find the guilty person for their troubles. And the simplest guilty thing is to make the guarantor of the state, he is at the highest level.
                1. alicante11
                  6 November 2013 02: 47
                  +2
                  It's always like this. For violations committed by a legal entity, its head is responsible. Try, being the director of the company, not to submit reports on time. No one will ask you if your accountant quit or there is simply no one to file reports, because the company does not work. And any court will tell you that you are wrong if you try to argue this. Why should it be different in the state?
                  1. 31231
                    31231 6 November 2013 06: 20
                    0
                    For violations committed by a legal entity, its head is responsible.

                    Yah?! For financial violations, yes, and not always, it all depends on the contract and many circumstances. A lot of responsibility also rests with the chief accountant, the technical manager of the enterprise, as well as employees. If the employees violate the regulations of the enterprise, then, accordingly, they are to blame. Or have you forgotten the "pilot error"?

                    But I do not see a single competent accusation of the owners of the above firms and the guarantor of the state. Only your fabrications, based on the chatter of some of the top leaders of these organizations. Not names, not surnames, not numbers.
                  2. alicante11
                    6 November 2013 09: 13
                    +1
                    Yah?!


                    And you try being the head of the company not to submit reports, and immediately find out who will be to blame.

                    But I do not see a single competent accusation of the owners of the above firms and the guarantor of the state. Only your fabrications, based on the chatter of some of the top leaders of these organizations. Not names, not surnames, not numbers.


                    Fictionalism? Refute. With numbers and surnames. And you didn’t even confuse Vladavia with Dalavia :).
          2. 31231
            31231 5 November 2013 20: 21
            +2
            cars from the people all for loans ... and how many "horrible" you know, but what now banks in ... ne because of these loans and threatens a banking system crisis because of .. non-refunds ???


            Well, this is not new. In Europe and America, most people make large purchases on credit. Including cars and housing.
            If someone does not like bank bondage, he saves, as in Soviet times.
            And yet, yes, the nerves should not be "let down", but treated.
            1. artifox
              artifox 6 November 2013 10: 40
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              If someone does not like bank bondage, he saves, as in Soviet times.

              And what, in the USSR there were no loans?
          3. Botanologist
            Botanologist 5 November 2013 22: 27
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            and now that banks are in ... ne because of these loans and the banking system crisis is threatening because of ... non-repayments


            Well, for me, and fix with them, banks. The crisis of defaults is connected exclusively with the greed of bankers, who first rake money out of the people counting on free profit, and then whine about defaults. If a dozen of these great "economists" eat less and start resting at their dacha in Zyuzukino, I will not be sad. At all times, no one spared usurers.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 01
              +2
              Quote: Botanologist
              Well for me and fix with them, banks

              The problem is. that they will be supported, and it is known at whose expense.
          4. artifox
            artifox 6 November 2013 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            I went to Gelendzhik for 5 days with my wife .. for the holidays ... 120 pieces and a bunch of nerves were "lowered".

            Shikoko, Shikoko? Yes, you old man snickering. Or you were divorced as ...

            Well, no matter how ...
            How I went to Gelendzhik for 5 days (I, my wife and two children):
            By car - 6 you. rub. for gasoline.
            8 thousand rubles for the rental of a two-room apartment for this period.
            I will not say for sure how much we spent on products (including in a cafe) - but not more than 7-8 thousand rubles.
            Plus entertainment, especially for children - 10 thousand maximum.

            In any case, in 40 thousand I met more than, while at the same time, in general, without refusing myself. Speaking your language - rested as in paradise. And I’ll even say more - absolutely no worse than in Turkey or Greece, but at the same time I was not attached. Neither to lunch / breakfast / dinner, nor to the time of arrival / departure nor to imposed excursions / shops that are useless to anyone. Not to moronic tour operators, etc.

            But honestly speaking, I can’t imagine what 120 pieces can be launched there.
            1. Egen
              Egen 6 November 2013 12: 53
              0
              Quote: artifox
              But honestly speaking, I can’t imagine what 120 pieces can be launched there.

              Vladislav, it’s written - for the holidays :))
              They, holidays, such ... They treated the Russian leadership in the restaurant to the world's largest oil and gas company (total 4 people) - 480tyr (outback, not Moscow!) :))
              By the way, I recommend trying the Kurni wine, we have 18 tyr :)
              On the other hand - unfortunately the sea is 4000 km from us, travel is not enough (14dn), you have to fly - a charter from our city to Thailand, for example, 14dn with two adult children (= 2 rooms) cost 160tyr. Total - what am I, in the Crimea or something was not :)
              1. 31231
                31231 6 November 2013 22: 00
                0
                What is this nonsense?
                . The restaurant was treated to the Russian leadership of the world's largest oil and gas company


                Largest (in terms of revenue in 2006) [edit | edit source]
                1. USA ExxonMobil
                2. UK Netherlands Royal Dutch Shell
                3. UK BP
                4. USA Chevron Corporation
                5. USA ConocoPhillips
                6. Total SA

                And where did you see the Russians in the leadership?
                1. Egen
                  Egen 7 November 2013 05: 54
                  +1
                  Dear Sergey, why immediately it’s nonsense, it depends on what and how to count :) By the volume of profit, for example, Gazprom in 2012 takes the 1 place :)
                  Russians saw, for example, here: http://www.shell.com.ru/ :)) By the way, several Russians work in foreign offices - in the leadership, and in the engineering staff - not an imperceptible share: our specialists are valued, and they It offers incomparable even with the North :(
                  Do you work in the oil and gas business?
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 5 November 2013 20: 21
          +5
          Quote: Belogor
          People are completely impoverished, only personal vehicles are becoming more and more
          Compare with the number of rights, and in dynamics - 5 years.

          and Russians on foreign holiday does not decrease, in spite of any crises
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 5 November 2013 21: 32
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Compare with the number of rights, and in dynamics - 5 years.

            What does the availability of rights have to the availability of money to buy a car, and a lot of money to buy a car on credit?

            "79% of Russians have never vacationed abroad"
            Compare with the number of issued passports and at the same time the number of foreign tourists, and in dynamics over 5 years
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 5 November 2013 21: 58
              -2
              Quote: bolonenkov
              What does the availability of rights have to the availability of money to buy a car, and a lot of money to buy a car on credit?
              Guess yourself?

              Compare with the number of issued passports and at the same time the number of foreign tourists, and in dynamics over 5 years
              Once again proved my thesis about the book and fig laughing
              Russian wrote to you in black that 17% of Russians have passports (we round up to 20)
              1. 31231
                31231 5 November 2013 22: 58
                0
                Russian wrote to you in black that 17% of Russians have passports (we round up to 20)


                Do not give a link? And then I have half of my friends, acquaintances and relatives with foreign countries. And 70% of them have already visited the hill.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: 31231
                  Do not give a link? And then I have half of my friends, acquaintances and relatives with foreign countries. And 70% of them have already visited the hill.

                  In addition to Levada, no one dealt with this issue.
                2. 31231
                  31231 5 November 2013 23: 26
                  0
                  Oh how ?! You are so trained and can not see the FMS data. Well, here you are, data only for 2008. http://www.fms.gov.ru/about/ofstat/stat_1_rd/index.php

                  Received in 2003,2008 a foreign passport. Last year I changed my passport, wanting much more. A big plus was the introduction of a biometric passport. Less paperwork.
                3. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: 31231
                  Oh how ?! You are so trained and can not see the FMS data

                  1 We kind of passed from your light hand to you, so don’t be shy

                  2 where is the data on the percentage of the population with a passport? There is only information about the issuance of 1,64 million passports
                4. 31231
                  31231 5 November 2013 23: 53
                  +3
                  1. To the respected bolonenkov, you allowed yourself to turn to you, from which I concluded that cronyism is encouraged.
                  2. 1,64 million for 2008 !!!!! And this is grounded official statistics, not Levada's "truthful and incorruptible" information.
                5. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 November 2013 13: 28
                  0
                  Quote: 31231
                  1. To the respected bolonenkov, you allowed yourself to turn to you, from which I concluded that cronyism is encouraged
                  Sergey - you switched to "YOU" with me, when I showed you screenshots from the Kremlin website, I switched to "YOU" with this Chinese student 2 days ago - when he started using swear words in posts.

                  2. 1,64 million for 2008 !!!!! And this is grounded official statistics, not Levada's "truthful and incorruptible" information.
                  1 These are statistics for one year, and we are talking about the percentage of the population who have a passport - no need to replace the concept.

                  2 Let's estimate - this is a maximum of 1.5 Lyama every year for 20 years, that is, 30 million people (21%) of MAXIMUM for the 13th year.
      6. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 5 November 2013 23: 29
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Russian wrote to you in black that 17% of Russians have passports (we round up to 20)

        The question was how many Russians go abroad every year, and how this number has changed over 5 years. And you jumped off the thesis.

        Well, when asked about the relationship between the availability of rights and money for a car, you dodged a brilliant answer
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Guess yourself?


        And overseas
        In total, according to the press service of the FMS, about 7 million passports were issued in the country in a year, of which 4,8 million are biometric. "The number of Russians applying for foreign passports is increasing from year to year. For example, in 2004, only 2,7 million of such documents were issued.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20121229/916752650.html#ixzz2jnjr0EqX
        Even if the sports were made only in 204, 2011 and 2012, then more than 17%))) Fart a friend in a puddle.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 48
          +1
          Quote: bolonenkov
          The question was how many Russians travel abroad every year.
          Who knows? someone once every 2 years, and someone once a week.

          Well, when asked about the relationship between the availability of rights and money for a car, you dodged a brilliant answer
          Yes, turn on your head - the same garbage as with trips abroad: someone just has rights (they are few), someone has a car without rights (they are also few) - these 2 categories approximately compensate each other.
          And someone has 5 cars in the garage - you can only approximately understand the number of car owners by comparing the dynamics of eligible with the dynamics of having a car.

          And overseas
          How many of them reissued - a fan of gases? laughing
      7. artifox
        artifox 6 November 2013 10: 45
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Russian wrote to you in black that 17% of Russians have passports (we round up to 20)

        But can you give figures in this case, only for other years, for example, 1997, 2000, 2003, etc.

        At the same time, I am almost sure that if we make a selection in absolute terms, then the growth after 2003 will be 300% and higher. As for passports, and the number of vacationers.

        Well, if we start from absolute values ​​- 17% is how many millions are there in people? For some reason, it seems to me that the figure is more than significant and significant.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 6 November 2013 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: artifox
          But can you give figures in this case, only for other years, for example, 1997, 2000, 2003, etc.
          Why not do it to you?

          Well, if we start from absolute values ​​- 17% is how many millions are there in people? For some reason, it seems to me that the figure is more than significant and significant.
          Significant - in the sense of (let's round off) that in the Russian Federation at least 2/3 of the population do not have the means to make a passport for themselves and drive them abroad.
        2. artifox
          artifox 6 November 2013 17: 53
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Why not do it to you?

          What for? You sucked the numbers from the finger, continue. Perhaps when you start looking for information, then you look at everything differently.
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Significant - in the sense of (let's round off) that in the Russian Federation at least 2/3 of the population do not have the means to make a passport for themselves and drive them abroad.

          In the early 2000s, no more than 1/50 of the funds were available for this.

          Indeed, life has worsened, what ...
  • FATEMOGAN
    FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 22: 18
    +2
    Yarosvet, why didn't you immediately say that the data that you provided leads to a non-polite Levada center, which is officially declared as a foreign agent, that is, it lives for honest Gayrop and Pi * Ndos handouts. It was necessary to immediately state this and everyone would immediately believe you, although for reliability, as they say, in order to be 100 percent, of course, it is better to cite the data from the "echo of matzo" as statistics.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 5 November 2013 22: 53
      -3
      Quote: FATEMOGAN
      At the time of publication of the data, he was not a foreign agent (for example, Rosstat is an agent of the current government, I’m not complaining) laughing

      Are there any other statistics? Something I acre "the flow of vacationers is not reduced" did not see anything.
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 5 November 2013 23: 37
        0
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Are there any other statistics? Something I acre "the flow of vacationers is not reduced" did not see anything.

        In total, according to the press service of the FMS, about 7 million passports were issued in the country in a year, of which 4,8 million are biometric. "The number of Russians applying for foreign passports is increasing from year to year. For example, in 2004, only 2,7 million of such documents were issued.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20121229/916752650.html#ixzz2jnjr0EqX
        Even if the sports were made only in 204, 2011 and 2012, then more than 17%))) Fart a friend in a puddle.
  • 31231
    31231 5 November 2013 23: 01
    +2
    It is a pity the Levada Center does not disclose all the intricacies of its polls. Commercial secret probably?
    It seems that the majority of respondents were caught in the Pension Fund.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 15
      +1
      Quote: 31231
      It is a pity the Levada Center does not disclose all the intricacies of its polls. Commercial secret probably?
      It seems that the majority of respondents were caught in the Pension Fund.

      Go to the Levada website - there the criteria for the survey should be indicated.

      And at the expense of sensations, everything is simple - you consider how much you need per month to fully exist, and then compare with the data of Rosstat
      1. 31231
        31231 5 November 2013 23: 34
        +1
        http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/trud/obsled/trud2013.htm


        Can you look more closely and in more detail at the data for April 2013?
        And this is just a white salary.
    2. artifox
      artifox 6 November 2013 10: 51
      0
      Quote: 31231
      It is a pity the Levada Center does not disclose all the intricacies of its polls. Commercial secret probably?

      And what is there to reveal? A dozen students are hired in Moscow and sent on a day off to Gorky Park, for example (sometimes, for a change, to Sokolniki or to Poklonnaya) - there these students pester passers-by with their questions. If a person does not want to communicate with them - automatically put "No" in the survey, if he wants, he is already here, depending on the answers. Well, or depending on the result you want to get. Have such students ever approached you with questionnaires? To me so regularly, and just as regularly they are sent to a certain place ... But since we have a democracy, they go not where they were sent, but where they want.
  • Tverichanka
    Tverichanka 5 November 2013 22: 59
    +5
    Well, yes, they brought the people to a pen. Words simply do not. They got there at rush hour in our remote place, there’s nowhere to park cars! And cars are not cheap at all. People save on food and consume potato peels ..... And anyway Enough already throw poop on the fan and raise such topics. Tired!
  • sleepy
    sleepy 6 November 2013 03: 07
    +3
    Quote: Belogor
    "The people have become completely impoverished, only personal vehicles are becoming more and more and the number of Russians on foreign holidays is not diminishing, despite any crises ...."


    In the USSR, there was somehow enough public transport without controllers
    and on 1/6 of the land it was possible to find where to travel.
    In the USSR it was possible to take goods on credit from a job certificate
    and interest was not paid.
    In the USSR, children had a childhood, and not the task - to survive at all costs.

  • FATEMOGAN
    FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 16: 40
    13
    Quote: Povshnik
    According to his "deeds" for the welfare of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the people.


    You say, that is, it turns out in fact, the country has degraded even more than in the dashing nineties, when they did not pay salaries for years, when they scrapped the military all over the country to repel Basayev’s gangs, when all of Russia’s bowels did not officially belong to it, when Tatarstan had its passports .... and so on and so on .. the country was one step away from the final collapse and only Putin did not let it fall into that deep abyss from which they did not return. There is a good Russian proverb that we have - we don’t keep, having lost - weep. Previously, during the Soviet Union, they considered everything to be their crap, but they admired the West, to live like in Storage, to dress like in England, but now it has dawned that all that foreign country was just a fake sign, a chimera. Now it’s only heard, but during the USSR, and during the Soviet era, etc. I look again, everything is back to square one, only they crawled out of the shit of the nineties and began to spread their wings, as again - everything is bad, everything is wrong, everything is not that way ... See dear ones, you’ll go on to become president in the future, some kind of Nasral, or not God forbid what Schneerson or Albats and Putin’s sighing these times, you will be happy to remember.

    Karaulov made a film about Putin, with many interesting facts. And before blaming Putin for what the hell is it, take a look at the film with at least one eye.

    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 5 November 2013 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: FATEMOGAN
      when all the bowels of Russia did not officially belong to it

      At the very beginning of the crap called "unknown Putin": "In 2004, the law on production sharing agreements was repealed"

      What is that?
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 5 November 2013 21: 35
        0
        You are wrong, the law was adopted in 95, the existence of the law in the registry is due to the presence of still valid contracts signed before the ban on its use. Existing contracts have been reviewed in favor of the state.
        What new contracts were signed on PSA after Sakhalin-2?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 5 November 2013 22: 05
          -2
          Quote: bolonenkov
          You are not right, the law was passed in 95, the existence of the law in the registry is due to the presence of still valid contracts signed before the ban on its use
          hesitated in a search engine and look - I already have no strength to comment on your bullshit.

          Existing contracts have been reviewed in favor of the state
          Link to the document.

          What new contracts were signed on PSA after Sakhalin-2?
          ??
          Fedorov scratches you that the law was abolished by Putin in the year 04 and that thanks to this, the money went to the treasury. At the same time, the law is not repealed, it says that foreigners cannot receive more than 30% of nyachi, and the money went after the jump in oil prices (in the 04th): from the 99th to the 12th, prices increased 10 times, and consumption in 2, which led to an increase in oil revenues to the budget by 20 times.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 5 November 2013 23: 40
            +2
            You are a friend, farting about passports, birth rates, the relationship between the availability of rights and money to buy a car, the growth of GDP at PPP,

            So you write a bullshit ....
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 6 November 2013 13: 51
              -1
              Quote: bolonenkov
              You comrade, farts about passports
              Wrote as is

              Birth rate
              I wrote it as it is (you have just conceived children standing in line in kindergarten laughing )

              the relationship between the availability of rights and money to buy a car, the growth of GDP at PPP
              Wrote as is

              So you write a bullshit ....
              So, young coprofil, how do you like to speak yourself - learn the materiel
    2. sleepy
      sleepy 6 November 2013 03: 19
      +2
      Quote: FATEMOGAN
      "Karaulov shot a film about Putin, with many interesting facts.
      And before blaming Putin on what the light stands,
      look at the film with at least one eye. "


      Bushkov wrote a book -
      "Vladimir Putin. Colonel who became a captain".
      I read and discovered a lot for myself.

      Annotation to the book:
      "All the previous leaders of Russia of the twentieth century were imposing and avantage, they all knew how to speak beautifully, a lot and on any occasion, they all knew exactly how to equip Russia,
      The Solar System and the Galaxy - Let It Only Steer
      and remove every single pebble from the path ...
      And for the first time in the main chair of Russia was a man whose life and fate to a large extent could be tried on by almost all the inhabitants of the country. Of course, few of us were KGB colonels -
      but this is just a particular. In almost all other respects, Putin is damn similar to each of us. The only difference is that not everyone worked hard enough to be offered to take the helm of a great country ... "
  • artifox
    artifox 6 November 2013 10: 35
    +4
    Quote: Povshnik
    According to his "deeds" for the welfare of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the people.

    When I hear about the impoverishment of the people - I usually look out the window and see how this poor people have nowhere to park. I go to tourism forums and see how impoverished people do not want to go to the coast, not only the Black Sea, but also Turkish. Give them a minimum of the Red Sea, but it is better to immediately Maldives. And this very impoverished people do not like 3-4 * hotels ...
    And I immediately remember what happened in the 90s and early 2000s ... Somewhere before 2003. When I sold the car in the early 2000s, because it was expensive for me to maintain it. And not only me. When going to the Black Sea coast was a holiday - neither I nor my friends could afford more. And I understand, yes - our people have become so "impoverished" that really, only Putin leaves and everyone will immediately become rich and there will be no crisis and the new person in power will not redraw everything in a new way. Well, really, how could it be otherwise ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: artifox
      And I understand, yes - our people have become so "impoverished" that really, only Putin leaves and everyone will immediately become rich and there will be no crisis and the new person in power will not redraw everything in a new way. Well, really, how could it be otherwise ...

      These are "chameleons" registered here. Which with a white ribbon ... laughing
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 5 November 2013 14: 58
    +1
    I would like to believe in it! But facts are a stubborn thing ....
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 17: 32
      +7
      Quote: vezunchik
      But facts are a stubborn thing ....


      Statistics of Putin’s rule from 1999 to 2011. Only facts

      http://yevgeny-buyanov.livejournal.com/10731.html
      All the myths that Putin is a thief can easily be broken about the reinforced concrete fact: In 1999, all Russian assets by Western experts were estimated at 100 billion dollars, and in 2008, only the stub fund had more than 156 billion dollars or 3 849,11 billion rubles.

      Economy:
      In total, the level of monetary savings of Russian citizens in 1999 was estimated at about $ 40 billion, while in 2010 it was already at least $ 470 billion (about 11,3 trillion rubles and about $ 80 billion in currency).

      Russia's GDP in 1999 was $ 177 billion, or $ 1210 per capita. GDP at PPP (purchasing power parity) was approximately $ 887 billion (or $ 6060 per capita). In 2010, compared with 1999, GDP increased 8,34 times and amounted to $ 1477 billion (or $ 10400 per capita). Russia's PPP GDP (compare IMF, WB and CIA data) was approximately $ 2,22 trillion (6th place in the world - between Germany and the UK). According to PPP, Russian GDP per capita in 2010 amounted to $ 15807 and according to this indicator Russia was 51st in the world (between Lithuania and Argentina). For comparison: on the 60th place was Latvia - $ 14300; on 68 - Bulgaria - $ 12 052; 71 - Brazil - $ 11289; at 93 China - $ 7518; on 100 - Ukraine– $ 6665; 103rd place - Egypt - $ 6367; 113 - Georgia - $ 5057; at 127 - India - $ 3290; in 181 place - Zimbabwe - $ 395 (which is 40 times less than in Russia). The average GDP per capita in the world was $ 10725. Over the past 11 years, Chinese indices have risen by about 100%; Indian - by 260, Brazilian - by more than 300. The Russian RTS index rose from 179 points to 2087 points - more than 1000%.

      The real income level from 2000 to 2011 year the real incomes of Russians (i.e. income minus 10% inflation accumulated over 275 years) have increased 2,6 times, salaries - 3 times, pensions - 3,5 times.

      Unemployment in 2000 was 12,4%, and in 2010 decreased to 7,2%. For comparison: In 2010, unemployment in the United States was 9,5%; in Lithuania - 16,0%; in Latvia - 19,1%; in Spain - 20,0%; in Egypt - 23% (according to unofficial data); in Libya - 30%; in Zimbabwe - 95%.

      The average pension in 1999 was equal to 449 rubles. (or $ 18). In February 2011, the average pension (excluding regional benefits and additional payments) in Russia was already 8265 rubles. (or $ 285) i.e. increased from 1999 year to 18,4 times. For comparison: the average pension in Bulgaria is $ 170, in Romania $ 235; in Lithuania $ 300; in Latvia $ 315.

      The average salary in 1999 was 1522 rubles. (or $ 62). In 2010, the average salary was already 22600 rubles (i.e., about $ 755) and was 14,8 times higher than in 1999. For reference: the average salary in Ukraine in 2010 was $ 340; in Bulgaria $ 400; in Romania $ 430; in Belarus $ 490; in Lithuania $ 815; Latvia $ 880; in Poland about $ 1080; ... in Egypt $ 130.

      Inflation in 1999 was equal to 36,5%. Inflation in 2010 was 8,8%. For comparison: in 2010, inflation in India was 9,5%; in Argentina 22%; in Venezuela, 29,8%; in Egypt 12,8%.
      etc....
      1. VAF
        VAF 5 November 2013 18: 45
        +8
        Quote: FATEMOGAN
        Real income level from 2000 to 2011


        Proedrosovsky Nonsense !!!! am

        But what is modestly silent about the growth of prices for everything ????

        And how is it with you, according to Pupkin's arithmetic .... indexation by 6%, and the rise in prices in fact by 25% ... how is the "welfare of the people growing" ?????

        Also remember about .... "GAZPROM-national heritage" wassat
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 November 2013 19: 24
          +6
          Quote: vaf
          But what is modestly silent about the growth of prices for everything ????

          He is not only silent about this. Where and in what securities Our petrodollars are stored, he is also modestly silent.
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 21: 41
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            He is not only silent about this. Where and in what securities Our petrodollars are stored, he is also modestly silent.


            Why is it in papers, all this is in computer zeros on a computer that is in America, I know this very well, as well as the fact that all countries of the world store their savings there, I hope you know this too, but why we keep it there ... guess or suggest ??? Is it because they pissed away the USSR ??? for your information, even under Gorbachev in 90, the National Bank of the USSR was abolished, and a branch of the Federal Reserve was introduced to this day, and 12 amerovsky aircraft carriers also eat their bread for good reason, do you think Putin is to blame here ??? And also for your information he tried how he came to power, I don’t remember in 99 or 2000 to nationalize our printing press, so everyone in the State Duma, including the “communists” who are always knocking on their chests, voted against, and without nationalizing the central bank, we will continue to pay tribute to the states.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 5 November 2013 22: 11
              +2
              Quote: FATEMOGAN
              And he also tried to note how he came to power, I do not remember in 99 or 2000 the nationalization of our printing press

              Nonsense - what exactly do you think he was trying to do? laughing

              and without nationalizing the central bank, we will continue to pay tribute to the states.

              Curious - how are you going to nationalize the federal government?

              Quote: FATEMOGAN
              Do you think Putin is to blame here ???

              Well, who?
        2. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 19: 37
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          Proedrosovsky Nonsense !!!!


          For those who are in the "tank" (comrades tankers are not about you) and are catching up tightly:

          The real income level from 2000 to 2011 year the real incomes of Russians (i.e. income minus 10% inflation accumulated over 275 years) have increased 2,6 times, salaries - 3 times, pensions - 3,5 times.

          These are net revenues, net of inflation, increased by 2,6 times and without inflation by 14,8 times. Or do you want to say that people have become worse off ??? so for information, Russia at the moment is the largest consumer of new cars in Europe and, of course, we are not talking about luxury cars that occupy a small percentage of all new cars, we are talking about a middle-aged car that is in demand among the average Russian citizen, this alone indicates growth well-being of people.


          Quote: vaf
          Also remember about .... "GAZPROM-national heritage"


          I do not throw such slogans, and all the less, he pays taxes and not small ...
          Gazprom is constantly increasing tax and other mandatory payments to budgets of all levels in accordance with applicable tax laws.

          So, in 2007, the company paid 980 billion rubles. taxes and other payments, in 2010 - 1,2 trillion rubles, and in 2012 - 1,9 trillion rubles.
          1. soldier's grandson
            soldier's grandson 5 November 2013 22: 20
            +1
            I don’t lie about salaries, they didn’t rise, here the gap from the price increase increased, they didn’t start living better, well, maybe on Rublevka
          2. sleepy
            sleepy 6 November 2013 03: 41
            +1
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            "Russia is currently the largest consumer of new cars in Europe ... we are talking about a mid-range car that
            are in demand among the average Russian,
            this alone speaks of an increase in the well-being of people ... ".


            Recently on TV there was a program about the once prosperous Detroit.
            Then there was a fuel crisis in the USA, then newcomers began to come to Detroit, local people left ...
            Detroit is now a miserable sight.
            There are also car factories under Peter - Ford, Hyundai / Hyundai, Nissan / Nissan, General Motors, Toyota.
            But the Kirov Plant, LOMO, the plant named after Kozitsky - as it were, too.
        3. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 20: 32
          +5
          Quote: vaf
          But what is modestly silent about the growth of prices for everything ????

          This is a trend throughout Europe. And it is connected, first of all, with rising energy prices.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 6 November 2013 03: 45
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            "This is a tendency throughout Europe. And it is connected, first of all,
            with rising energy prices. "


            In the USSR there was no increase in energy prices.
            And some are already starting to guess
            why there was no inflation in the USSR.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 09: 41
              +4
              Quote: sleepy
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              "This is a tendency throughout Europe. And it is connected, first of all,
              with rising energy prices. "

              In the USSR there was no increase in energy prices.
              And some are already starting to guess
              why there was no inflation in the USSR.

              C'mon ... There wasn’t ...
              1. At fixed prices and tariffs, the issue of quality was inferior to the issue of quantity.
              2. There were so many gas stations that when traveling from city to city, there was no need to do without a canister in the trunk.
              The main thing.
              Demanded goods at a fixed price "left" through the back porch, "by pull", with a surcharge. Can the margin be attributed to the inflationary component?
              In the last years of Soviet power, some republics "found a way out" - they raised prices for "deficit" by republican laws, and the same laws established a wage premium. As a result, the manufacturer sent the goods to where they paid more, and the RSFSR was left with nothing.
              Here are the hidden forms of inflation.
        4. 31231
          31231 5 November 2013 20: 52
          0
          Also remember about .... "GAZPROM-national heritage"


          Maybe then compare it with British Petroleum - British property ?! lol
          Which has not belonged to the state for a long time.
        5. Botanologist
          Botanologist 5 November 2013 22: 36
          +4
          Quote: vaf
          And how is it with you, according to Pupkin's arithmetic .... indexation by 6%, and the rise in prices in fact by 25% ... how is the "welfare of the people growing" ?????


          VAF, let's not be so categorical. I am not a supporter of the government, especially the current Government, so to speak, but it is not necessary to completely deny some positives. In general, people today have not begun to live worse than in the 2000 year,
          and often better. My father retired (!) Bought a car. Not Merc, of course, but bought it. And to my questions about life, he says that life as a whole is not bad at all. For him, a senior citizen. But until 65 he plowed on long-distance flights, he knows what he is talking about.
          But as for all the bad things that you write about - I completely agree. A lot of things can and should be presented to the authorities. Only specifically, not on a global ocean scale.
          drinks
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 5 November 2013 20: 49
        -1
        Quote: FATEMOGAN
        In 1999, all the assets of Russia by Western experts were estimated at $ 100 billion, and in 2008, only the stub fund had more than $ 156 billion.
        No need for the stabilization fund - what time are ALL assets valued now?

        The level of cash accumulation of Russian citizens in 1999, in total, was estimated at approximately $ 40 billion, and in 2010 amounted to at least $ 470 billion
        That's curious ... And according to Rosstat, the average per capita income of 90% of the population is less than 30 tr.

        Russia's GDP in 1999 was $ 177 billion. In 2010, compared with 1999, GDP increased in 8,34 times and was already $ 1477 billion.
        PPP of Russia was approximately $ 2,22 trillion
        At the same time, GDP is just the total amount of transactions, while PPP GDP (in contrast to the nominal one, which has grown by 8 times) has grown only in 3 times - the difference gives real inflation.

        The real level of income from 2000 to 2011 is the real income of Russians (i.e. income minus inflation accumulated over 10 years - 275%)
        Real inflation for the specified period - 460%

        Unemployment in 2000 was 12,4%, and in 2010 decreased to 7,2%.
        The population over the same period declined by 3.5 million.

        Bulgaria is equal to $ 170, in Romania $ 235; in Lithuania $ 300; in Latvia $ 315
        Compare prices?

        average salary
        Count the minimum? In %% to GDP per capita comparable?

        Inflation in 1999 was 36,5%. Inflation in 2010 was 8,8%.
        On paper.
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 5 November 2013 21: 56
          -1
          Quote: Yarosvet
          No need for the stabilization fund - what time are ALL assets valued now?

          In 2008, the stabilization fund exceeds all assets of the Russian Federation by 98, and since you ask about ALL assets, share it, maybe they are less?

          Quote: Yarosvet
          That's curious ... And according to Rosstat, the average per capita income of 90% of the population is less than 30 tr.

          You are a wizard to distort your theses about "ACCUMULATION", and you about "AVERAGE INCOME", just don’t f * ck that this is interconnected, first admit the fact of a real increase in savings, and then talk about something else.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          PPP GDP grew only 3 times - the difference gives real inflation

          Here is a graph of GDP growth in various oil countries, taking into account inflation, rising prices and purchasing power in general.
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Real inflation for the specified period - 460%

          Where does the data come from? Looks like chatter ...
          Quote: Yarosvet
          The population over the same period declined by 3.5 million.

          Again, jumped from the thesis, you are about UNEMPLOYMENT, you are about POPULATION, or did you mean that only able-bodied people are dying? After all, the percentage is calculated from the working-age population, and pensioners mostly die. Moreover, the population has been growing since 2010
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Compare prices?

          Compare that you throw questions, you have numbers, and you turn your nose

          Quote: Yarosvet
          On paper. (inflation)

          Well, bring your thoughts.
          Bread in 2001 - 3,50 rubles, in 2013 - 17. The price increased 5 times, the average inflation is less than 10% per year.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 5 November 2013 22: 48
            0
            Quote: bolonenkov
            Stabilization Fund in 2008 exceeds all assets of the Russian Federation in 98
            This is understandable - now how much are all the assets valued?

            you about "ACCUMULATION", and you about "AVERAGE INCOME"
            It’s just interesting - who accumulates these savings if 90% of the population has a day at best to eat, get dressed, pay tariffs and take a couple of weeks off on vacation?

            Here is a graph of GDP growth in different oil countries, taking into account inflation, rising prices and purchasing power in general
            I don’t need a schedule, I can take it — you explain the difference in nominal and par GDP.

            Where does the data come from? Looks like chatter
            He wrote in black and white - the difference in nominal and PPP GDP growth.

            Again they jumped from the thesis, you are talking about UNEMPLOYMENT, you are about POPULATION, or did you mean that only able-bodied people are dying
            What is life expectancy? Is it difficult to find work for anyone?

            Moreover, the population has been growing since 2010
            And before the 10th? Take a look and pay attention to the regions with an increase: http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b11_13/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d1/04-06.htm

            Compare that you throw questions
            A tedious thing - reluctance to idle hemorrhoids.

            Well, bring your thoughts
            Higher.

            Bread in 2001 - 3,50 rubles, in 2013 - 17. The price increased 5 times, the average inflation is less than 10% per year.
            Raise utility bills and electricity.
            1. 31231
              31231 5 November 2013 23: 14
              0
              if 90% of the population has a day at best to eat, get dressed, pay tariffs and go on a couple of weeks on vacation?


              Well, let’s say it for myself and my friends and relatives.
              I have never taken a loan. Salary from 40 to 120 rubles / depending on the volume performed. I prefer to save money and then spend it, rather than spend the bank money first, and then give it to usurers.
              An ex-girlfriend s / a fee of 30-40 rubles, also saves money and does not take loans.
              Sister 25-30 rubles, also never took a loan, all purchases to accumulate the required amount.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 20
                0
                Quote: 31231
                Salary from 40 to 120 rubles /
                salary 30-40 rubles,
                Sister 25-30 rubles
              2. 31231
                31231 5 November 2013 23: 59
                0
                Maybe for each of my comments you will attach this picture. And then how not a colorful chat at all. You’re only adorning your pictures here, while here everyone can follow the presented serious links and digest the necessary information.
        2. Normal
          Normal 5 November 2013 23: 00
          +3
          Quote: bolonenkov
          you about "ACCUMULATION", and you about "AVERAGE INCOME",

          The money of the rich gets into the column "accumulation" and the graph swells. It does not matter that the poor may not have any savings at all, the main thing is that the rich grow their savings. The "average income" includes the income of the rich and the poor "get richer" even if they actually get poorer
          Statistics, so rastak .... Very convenient thing.
      3. 31231
        31231 5 November 2013 22: 35
        0
        Real inflation for the specified period - 460%

        Where do these numbers come from?
        If the dollar on 01.01.99/20,65/XNUMX - XNUMX rubles.
        and on 10.06.2013 - 32,23 rubles.

        Or do you have a buck for 14 years depreciated by almost 3 times ?!
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          Or do you have a buck for 14 years depreciated by almost 3 times ?!

          In the Russian Federation, not inflation of the dollar (it is within 3% per year), but administrative price increases - tariffs are dragging on (housing and communal services - 16 times, electricity 11 - since 2000)

          And the dollar is now overestimated in relation to the ruble by 70%, which follows from a comparison of nominal GDP and PPP GDP.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 23: 10
            +5
            Quote: Yarosvet
            And now the dollar is overpriced in relation to the ruble.

            What were counted? For burgers?
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 21
              0
              Comparison of nominal GDP (2.2 trillion cabbage) with PPP GDP (3.4 trillion) - official figures
          2. 31231
            31231 5 November 2013 23: 41
            0
            The above is clear from what crazy indicators you draw conclusions.
            Who gives the GDP data do not tell me?
            Are they as undeniable as the data for the dollar?
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 6 November 2013 16: 04
              0
              Quote: 31231
              Who gives the GDP data do not tell me?

              You mean that the Russian economy takes 5th place in the world how did you find out?

              You don’t know how to dodge already? laughing
    2. godun
      godun 5 November 2013 21: 06
      +3
      Dear colleague, you show these figures to people in the provinces, otherwise they are not even aware that they began to live well ..
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 5 November 2013 22: 00
        0
        Provide you wage growth by region?
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 5 November 2013 22: 51
        +4
        Quote: godun
        Dear colleague, you show these figures to people in the provinces, otherwise they are not even aware that they began to live well.

        I live in the province. And everyone wonders why the hell I’m coming to my son for. I can’t park my car at home. At the two traffic lights that are in the city, you stand in traffic during the day. not Moscow traffic jams of course, but from the first and second times, you will not pass a traffic light ...
        Russia, according to German data, more than once in recent years, overtook Germany in auto sales. And now it’s the first in Europe, although Germany has not given the first place for several decades to anyone. probably also from poverty ...
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 00
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          "I live in the provinces. And I wonder why the fuck
          I come to my son, I can't park my car at the house ... ".


          In fact, in the province there is always a place to put a car,
          the tractor and another place for the tank will remain.
          There are also provinces where people no longer live,
          and there are provinces where people live.
          There is even more parking space if you drive by car.
          http://urban3p.ru/category/cities?country_id=1

          In the USSR they lived in villages, but now they survive.
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  • t-95-70
    t-95-70 5 November 2013 18: 47
    +4
    I completely agree, the stonotics really got it.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 5 November 2013 16: 31
    +3
    Quote: nick 1 and 2
    and did not try to suggest that the GDP simply wants "good" for his country?
    And what are the reasons for this?
  • varov14
    varov14 5 November 2013 19: 55
    +3
    "Judge by yourself?" --- There are simply no positive examples. He just turned out to be smarter than the young European globarizers. He's not so employers. Globalization implies a single control center and our "Europeans" have a place there, except at the bucket. Therefore, Putin puts forward the idea of ​​a multi-vector way of developing states, naturally smart capital supported this idea. Here you can cut a lot and successfully, people are the same in both cases from the side of the burn. The Europeans are kept both as a destabilizing internal factor - a constant "struggle" and as an airbag, if "this fortress can be surrendered at any moment." The no-lose option is the nouveau riche.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 November 2013 21: 13
    +1
    I put you my friend. + I felt it. what else do you keep, in this mess, the ability to think.
  • Mature naturalist
    Mature naturalist 6 November 2013 01: 49
    +2
    Quote: nick 1 and 2
    and did not try to suggest that the GDP simply wants "good" for his country?

    If he wants, then what does he not?
    Mayors are imprisoned, yes. And the closer "sawflies" of the budget are not touched.
    Actually, the article says it all.
    The article is a plus.
    And I don’t believe him either ...
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  • predator.3
    predator.3 5 November 2013 18: 09
    +3
    Former Russian Defense Ministry official Yevgeny Vasilyev, accused of the Oboronservis case, should be released from house arrest by law on November 23, this was stated in an open letter to Vasilyeva, whose text was transmitted to RAPSI by her lawyer Hassan Borokov.


    In her message, Vasilyeva pointed to alleged violations of the procedure for familiarizing herself with the criminal case allegedly committed by the investigation. In her opinion, due to the fact that the investigation did not manage to provide her with the case file before October 23, 2013, she should be released from house arrest on November 23 of this year.

    As indicated in the letter, according to paragraph 6 of Article 109 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, if the materials of the investigation completed by the criminal case were presented to the accused and his counsel later than 30 days before the deadline for detention (in the case of Vasilyeva — before October 23 this year), then upon expiration, the accused is subject to immediate release.

    http://news.rambler.ru/21937512/

    These are the cakes now baked.
  • 31231
    31231 5 November 2013 20: 17
    -1
    he and the Russian oligarchs need protection, a strong army to maintain their positions.


    This is something new. The oligarchs raise the RF Armed Forces ?! Do not tell me why?
    The legarchs are neither a clan nor a banner. What Berezovsky, Abramovich and Karimov proved. After all, for the safety of their money, they will register in any other country.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 13
      +1
      Quote: 31231
      “This is something new. Oligarchs are raising the RF Armed Forces ?!
      Tell me why? .. "


      So that competitors do not eat.
      A small group of Chinese comrades will cross the border
      number of 3-4 million people. and will sit next to Norilsk Nickel.
      And where is the Chinese, there is China.
      And at the moment, the oligarchs state of nuclear weapons
      and modern tank aircraft.
      So China is resting.
      1. 31231
        31231 6 November 2013 06: 25
        0
        So that competitors do not eat.

        And what have the Russian army already become the personal guard of the legarchs ?! Do not you see an example of the participation of the Russian army in the protection of the legarchs and their property?

        A small group of Chinese comrades will cross the border
        number of 3-4 million people. and will sit next to Norilsk Nickel.


        Do you know the saying "if my grandmother had, she would be a grandfather" ?! So, fantasies are good in a dream.
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 6 November 2013 06: 46
          +4
          Quote: 31231
          "And that our Russian army has already become the personal guard of the oligarchs ?!
          Do not give an example of the participation of the Russian army in the protection of oligarchs
          and their property? "


          1993 year. Moscow.

          "I pulled my strap in the Northern Fleet,
          I haven’t seen my wife for months,
          Well, he was a captain in a tank company
          and fired at the White House.

          I did not spare myself in the submarine hold either
          breathing hot heat
          Well, he only thought about his own skin
          and fired at the White House.
          I served my dear people
          and took the oath to him,
          Well, he is in October of the accursed year
          shot at a burning house.
          As my five fingers knew, my boys
          the whole warhead - I was not in vain chasing them
          It’s good that they were called to the North,
          and not to those who shot at Russian.
          They were not given awards during the campaign,
          but the commander in chief sent thanks
          And their peers in Moscow cursed
          and in the Kremlin, the president hugged.
          Maybe we will meet: cautorang,
          whitened gray with a beard to the temples,
          And three times since updated the epaulettes
          capy-cup-half-puppy.
          I will approach him, I will say:
          well, you bastard, disgraced fellow countrymen, fellow countryman,
          Seen to get you drunk at satanic midnight
          somehow conceived without love.
          He will look away, turn around awkwardly
          if conscience hasn’t lost everything,
          For registration in Moscow, a young cheap thing,
          he shot at the "White House"
          .
          I dedicated myself to an unforgettable fleet
          and fate didn’t blame fate,
          Well, he did not disdain gendarme work
          and fired at the White House.
          I was always faithful to the officer’s word,
          but six, at least cut, did not.
          He was faithful to him, the Alkanaut gray-haired,
          and fired at the White House.
          I’m still fit for a fair marine service,
          but Rapo'rt submitted his resignation,
          Because the salaga is one in a memorable year
          shot from a tank in Russia.

          Because the Fatherland alone raised us -
          sailors, hard workers and soldiers,
          Because there is no trace to fill a whim,
          that they sit on our backs of the neck! "

          September 1996.
          Alexander Kharchikov.
          http://www.sovnarkom.ru/aharch1.htm
        2. alicante11
          6 November 2013 09: 33
          +1
          Do not you see an example of the participation of the Russian army in the protection of the legarchs and their property?


          Wasn’t the army shooting the database in 93? Or have the cops already been armed with tanks?
    2. alicante11
      6 November 2013 07: 35
      0
      They will be registered if they are registered. Cyprus perfectly put everything in its place.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 November 2013 21: 10
    +1
    Vladimir, Putin got rid of odiosis, so what?
  • VAF
    VAF 5 November 2013 13: 06
    11
    Quote: alicante11
    And it seems to me that I have adequately covered the main negative aspects of the board of GDP


    It’s quite dignified and understandable, for a ..an understanding person good
    So for the article + .. it is undoubted! drinks

    well, and "ideological" .. naturally will not like it .. for them only "KU" and .. nothing more lol
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 5 November 2013 14: 54
    10
    as the Bible says, judge not by their ambassadors, but by their deeds. But things on the collapse of the economy and the country continue. Persons of the 90s, undergoing retraining at the CIA, continue to flicker. Planting people holding leftist views and patriotically inclined. Bulk released, and the colonels ???? Thieves officials continue their work ...
    So what is the conversation ??? Duma will approve any law ... In 1915, no one thought that 1917 would come!
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 5 November 2013 17: 37
      -7
      Quote: vezunchik
      as the Bible says - judge not by their ambassadors, but by their deeds


      So I do ....

    2. sleepy
      sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 19
      -1
      Quote: vezunchik
      "In 1915, no one thought that 1917 would come!"


      Now many people think that if you limit the media to bills,
      censor the Internet, put active, then everything will be fine.
      In 1915 there was no cellular connection, no TV, no Internet,
      but still the people reached the pen.
  • bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 5 November 2013 15: 29
    0
    Your article, if you change all the names to the corresponding posts of other states, for example the USA, will not lose any sense.

    And in the case, a bet on the general Internet trend of dislike of power and emphasis on such resonant topics as migrants, salaries, corruption, fully justified itself, and your attempt to pull the globe into the eyes at the first reading is not noticeable.

    Especially under the epic

    Russia is now a besieged fortress that protects the good stolen from the people by the oligarchs. This is evidenced by the strengthening of the country's defense capability, the establishment of a barrier to the destruction of the family, and support for Syria.


    you can substitute any good undertaking in order to compromise it (undertaking), although it does not fit into this flight of many oligarchs abroad, both at the dawn of the 2000s and the current 5-year-old, and Deripaska's dances with a pen before the premiere at the plant in 2008 show who here the main one, and who is the "hired manager of the Russian oligarchy".

    Or for example
    Here I turn from the confident ground of knowledge and the conclusions based on them to the shaky ground of assumptions.


    That is, everything that you outlined above is that confident ground of knowledge? Or is it all the same your assumptions? For example about "Kursk".

    Well, a natural distortion of facts like
    widening income gap between rich and poor

    The author probably does not know the Ginny index, and that the largest inequality coefficient is in Lesotho (63), the smallest - in Sweden (23). The Gini coefficient in Russia is 41,7, in the USA - 45, in Germany - 27 ...

    With all due respect, but even Western TV channels did not dare to take such heresy, French, English and German stories wrote about GDP.

    By the way, where, his mother, is Europe’s response to the fact that our oligarchs threw them so mercilessly at 99m? After all, as your article suggests, Chubais and Co. hid from them in the Russian Federation, as in a besieged fortress, though from time to time all rich people drive there, trade with them, store money there and so on.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 16: 12
      +1
      Your article, if you change all the names to the corresponding posts of other states, for example the USA, will not lose any sense.


      Did I say that it is not so? What you say next is also true. Only here, as they say, I don't care about "them". I live here, and only this concerns me. And there, let them even walk in loincloths and eat each other for breakfast. Do you think it would look good here too if it were so in the West?
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 5 November 2013 16: 40
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        What you say next is also true.

        WHAT I say next is to show that the whole article is like stretching but like a globe with reasoning that is based on speculation or the same reasoning, but which is presented as a "confident ground of knowledge", did not disdain in this analytics and juggling facts.
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 17: 29
          +7
          WHAT I say next is to show that the whole article is like stretching but like a globe with reasoning that is based on speculation or the same reasoning, but which is presented as a "confident ground of knowledge", did not disdain in this analytics and juggling facts.


          Apparently, you absolutely did not understand the idea of ​​the article. What is considered the norm in the West - stratification, corruption, the collapse of education, juveniles, for me is the evil that has swallowed my world of Russia-the USSR. This is their norm, not ours. And the fact that we have a little better is not a reason for pride or approval of all actions of the authorities. So I don’t pull anything on anything. There are pluses - I’m directly talking about this, there are minuses - the same thing. And no fraud.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 5 November 2013 18: 05
            -3
            Do not evade

            Your reasoning is based on other reasoning that you accept as facts.

            You wrote not an economic article, but a political one, and you base everything on the fact that the oligarchs decided everything, though not everyone liked everything, so some of them merged. And then you say that BASED ON THESE FACTS, the president is a "manager of oligarchs", the question is, what facts?
            Specifically

            Who! Where? When? What for?
            But you write
            I do not know when GDP matched with homegrown oligarchs


            So you don’t know when, or don’t you know at all whether it is entwined or not? If you know, tell the world, but keep in mind that "Obviously" arguments do not go through.
            1. 31231
              31231 5 November 2013 21: 02
              +3
              So you don’t know when, or don’t you know at all whether it is entwined or not? If you know, tell the world, but keep in mind that "Obviously" arguments do not go through.


              There are many amateurs who measure the length of their tongues, rather than conduct an argumentative conversation. Their main argument is speculation. With whom only Putin did not ripen. Straight singer of a global scale. lol Ozzy Osbourne is direct. It is logical then to ask which of the singers they associate Obama with ?! Michael Jackson wishing to be white ?!
              1. Gato
                Gato 6 November 2013 02: 22
                +2
                Quote: 31231
                With whom only Putin did not ripen. Straight global singer

                I could not resist, so as not to illustrate:
            2. alicante11
              6 November 2013 07: 48
              +2
              Do not evade


              I do not do this, and there is no sense.

              You wrote not an economic article, but a political one,


              Did the cell say somewhere that he was writing an economic article? An article with this headline cannot but be political :). It’s just that economic issues set off a good government course.

              So you don’t know when, or don’t you know at all whether it is entwined or not? If you know, tell the world, but keep in mind that "Obviously" arguments do not go through.


              This is demagoguery.
              I draw conclusions about what is happening in our power structures on the basis of facts that are generally known and fairly easily verified. If someone really wants to take me out into the open and move the sirloin, then he will not spend much effort to check the existence of the facts I have cited. Based on them, conclusions are drawn. Who benefits from the "party policy"? I understand that the accusation is not built on circumstantial evidence. But we are not in court either.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 16: 13
      -7
      Quote: bolonenkov
      With all due respect, but even Western TV channels did not dare to take such heresy, French, English and German stories wrote about GDP.


      Bravo!

      Heresy! Custom made shadow! Or a shadow on the wattle fence! For this, the dough is also unfastened?

      Well, if so, the debt will soon exceed 18 trillion
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 5 November 2013 17: 51
    +1
    alicante11 (4) SU Today, 11:01 ↑ New
    And it seems to me that I have adequately covered the main negative aspects of the rule of GDP ...

    Clear article, +! Especially about the Far East. Something I did not see that they give out money after the flood, 2 million each. In Chechnya, please, widows are apparently given someone whose husband was killed or their house was accidentally destroyed.

  • starshina78
    starshina78 5 November 2013 20: 00
    +2
    I am afraid that my comment will be deleted, but I will speak out. In the fifth year, information leaked from Yeltsin's daughter about Putin's appointment. A meeting of the leading oligarchs of Russia, Voloshin, and Dyachenko herself took place in Krasnoyarsk. Putin was brought there, and after the conversation, an agreement was drawn up - Putin becomes President, they exist peacefully. But something went wrong, and the KGB officers, former and personal friends of Putin, took over. They quickly sorted out those who were at the meeting in Krasnoyarsk, and climbed up themselves. Now they are already billionaires, for example: Timchenko, the Rutbergs brothers, and others. That Yeltsin, that Putin makes no difference. What is behind one, what is behind the other are oligarchic groups. The only thing we must admit is that in the fight for the "golden calf, Putin did not forget about the country. A little or no order has been established, but this strange order, to say the least - similar to a dictatorship based on forceful methods (dispersal of rallies with the help of riot police, tightening of legislation, an electoral system guaranteeing victory for the planned candidates). Now Russia is quietly slipping into stagnation. Although the crisis makes the government work with the brains. They finally realized that you cannot sit on the oil and gas needle and it is time to invest in production left, not ruined and barely twitching. Putin is good at one thing - in international politics. He did a lot to improve the image of Russia, forced to reckon with Russia, maybe even fear. His merit in modernizing the army and navy. Something he does very well, but something does not fit into what the majority of the people would like.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 5 November 2013 22: 50
      -3
      Quote: starshina78
      this order is strange, to say the least - similar to a dictatorship based on force methods


      Any order is based on force methods. Or have you seen a country somewhere without a police and army?

      Quote: starshina78
      electoral system guaranteeing victory for planned candidates


      I often write about this - today in Russia, oddly enough, the elections are more or less honest. That chaos that was even 5 years ago no longer works. Do not be fooled by the cries of swamp hamsters, sit as an observer - you will understand everything yourself.

      Quote: starshina78
      Although the crisis forces the brain to work.


      That's about the government is not necessary. There were no and no people more harmful to Russia. Who works there with brains? As Delagiye rightly noted, the modern Government considers theft to be the main type of its activity.
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 6 November 2013 02: 01
        +3
        Quote: Botanologist
        Today in Russia, the elections are more or less honest.
        sit as an observer - you will understand everything yourself.

        He sat and was elected.
        Responsibly declare: manipulate, juggle.
        There are two main ways: "Mavrodi carousel" and voting at home.
        Or the TEC will "correct" it as it should.
        65% of this is enough.
        1. 31231
          31231 6 November 2013 06: 29
          -3
          He sat and was elected.
          Responsibly declare: manipulate, juggle.


          Can facts be possible? Which election commission and what violations were committed? Or is it enough for you to tell
          Responsibly declare:

          Can you tell me what responsibility do you have when chatting on the Internet about your "awareness"?
          1. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 6 November 2013 21: 15
            +1
            In fact, I know my polling station and I know the number of grandparents to go to with an urn. I know the approximate time for voting at home, I know the availability of cars and the number of mobile ballot boxes and groups. And they brought these ballot boxes 15% of the vote.
            On the website of the election commission, this can be seen in the final protocols.

            About the Mavrodi carousel: deputy. PEC just hearing announces about spoiled ballots - this is the start of the carousel. In the local settlement and cash center, where payments from the population are usually accepted, they arranged payment for those who voted correctly, i.e. those who have entered correctly marked ballots into the ballot box. On the trail. Monday day at the RCC was a day off. At the end of the day, the PEC chairperson repeated like a prayer: "If only the number of ballots would fit, if only it would fit ..."

            So, I'm not "chatting", but I know.

            Any more questions?
  • Xroft
    Xroft 5 November 2013 11: 12
    29
    If you look objectively, not one issue of the fundamental change of the country has not been resolved. We do not become a real force or a superpower, we play with power .... What did the conflict in Syria solve? Nothing, the war goes on and on. Corruption that strangles the country has been defeated for more than one year? no changes are foreseen (why for projects like the Sochi Olympics? this is an open official sawing of money from the budget, we need not say that we need it) Oligarchs who control 99% of the country's resources (not natural but generally ALL human resources / production / technological all that remains of the USSR) no one is going to touch (Chubais sits on another project like the Olympics called Skolkovo, where they simply openly take money and budgets and put them in pocket in HUGE amounts) so what is positively changing in the country ? Stop killing people on the street like in the 90s? So why kill a cow when it can be fattened and milked for profit (and then slaughtered when the necessary weight is gained), which happens with private regional companies that try to honestly fulfill their obligations to the people (raider seizures are an example)
    The conclusion of modern power is ABSOLUTELY put on the people of this country (citizens on us) and their goal is only enrichment at the expense of natural resources and human resources. Not a single political figure who really defended the interests of most people in the country.
    Ps Until the fundamental issues outlined above are resolved (and this is only a small part), all the work of modern power is only profonation and a game supposedly in rebuilding the homeland. In fact, we are the raw materials appendage of Europe / China (real political players), defending the interests of those who sell these raw materials (the same Syria is an example, if the Qatari oil / gas pipeline was not planned to be laid in Europe, no one would have remembered it, not from - for the port of Tartus which is not visible under a magnifying glass)
    1. Egen
      Egen 5 November 2013 11: 42
      +5
      Quote: Xroft
      not one issue of a fundamental change of the country has not been resolved

      agree

      Quote: Xroft
      Corruption that strangles the country has been defeated for more than one year? no changes are foreseen (why for projects like the Sochi Olympics? this is an open official sawing of grandmas from the budget,

      but here it’s not quite :)
      IMHO, as crime has passed into legal power, so well, corruption has almost already become routine. The uniform, as in the first case, of course, has changed - no one carries primitively money in suitcases. And why, when there are offshore accounts :)
      Then, I don’t know about the amount of budget funding for the Olympics, but I know how many subsidiaries the business invests there. Throwing off thus its development for a year or two due to underfunding of development.
      Then, in principle, the Olympics is usually a profitable business. Somehow I met the figures, what the Olympics cost and how much income they brought. The balance is usually positive. Of course, the calculations can be done in different ways, both indirect income and sponsorship expenses :) And most importantly - from what pocket of expenses and in which pocket of income ...
      1. Airman
        Airman 5 November 2013 18: 26
        +3
        Quote: Egen
        Quote: Xroft
        not one issue of a fundamental change of the country has not been resolved

        agree

        Quote: Xroft
        Corruption that strangles the country has been defeated for more than one year? no changes are foreseen (why for projects like the Sochi Olympics? this is an open official sawing of grandmas from the budget,

        but here it’s not quite :)
        IMHO, as crime has passed into legal power, so well, corruption has almost already become routine. The uniform, as in the first case, of course, has changed - no one carries primitively money in suitcases. And why, when there are offshore accounts :)
        Then, I don’t know about the amount of budget funding for the Olympics, but I know how many subsidiaries the business invests there. Throwing off thus its development for a year or two due to underfunding of development.
        Then, in principle, the Olympics is usually a profitable business. Somehow I met the figures, what the Olympics cost and how much income they brought. The balance is usually positive. Of course, the calculations can be done in different ways, both indirect income and sponsorship expenses :) And most importantly - from what pocket of expenses and in which pocket of income ...

        It is officially stated that the Olympics will be the most expensive and almost 1,5 trillion rubles, or about $ 50 billion, will be spent on it by the opening.
        1. 31231
          31231 5 November 2013 21: 18
          0
          Entered Google "the cost of the Olympics in Sochi." The first to appear are links to the most "truthful" sources of RBC, Newsland, Nemtsov ru and others. I went to Nemtsov ru as the most "true source". Of course, Uncle Borya wrote more than one doctoral dissertation there.
          Those. the real cost of the Olympics in Sochi (taking into account the addition of the cost of the Adler-Krasnaya Polyana road), in accordance with the federal target program “Development of Sochi as a mountain-climatic resort (2006-2014)” plus the cost of building the Adler-Krasnaya Polyana road, will be 527 (! ) billion rubles (initial 314 billion rubles under the federal target program “Development of Sochi as a mountain-climatic resort (2006-2014)”, plus 242 billion rubles for the construction of the Adler – Krasnaya Polyana road, minus 28,4 billion rubles for the construction Roads Adler - Pear Glade). At the rate of 35 rubles per dollar, this is 15,1 billion dollars.

          It is strange that Boris did not include the improvement of the entrance to the city of Adler from the city of Moscow there.

          And here is what the guarantor stated:
          During the "direct line" Russian President Vladimir Putin estimated the cost of holding the Sochi Olympics. According to him, 99 billion rubles have been allocated for it from the budget, as well as 144 billion of attracted funds.


          The question is, where did you get the figure of 1,5 trillion. rubles (50 billion dollars)?
    2. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 49
      12
      If you look objectively, not one issue of the fundamental change of the country has not been resolved.


      And such a goal was not set. Initially, IMHO, bargaining was supposed. You take us to your club, and we give you the wreckage of Russia. But first, the West did not go to bargaining. And secondly, VVP or someone else explained to the oligarchs that if there is not enough power behind them, they will always be food among the western sharks. And the "sequestration" of accounts in Cyprus showed it perfectly. Hence the besieged fortress. Now Russia is retained by them as the guarantor of their fortunes. Well, in order to redistribute the world - the Russian Federation does not have such forces. So they don’t think about it and do not pretend to be a superpower.

      What did the conflict in Syria solve? Nothing, the war goes on and on.


      Compare the results of the war in Syria and Libya.

      no changes are foreseen (why for projects like the Sochi Olympics? this is an open official sawing of grandmas from the budget, we need not say that we need it)


      Then, why do you need Skolkovo and other "projects". Schemes for withdrawing money from the budget.
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 5 November 2013 12: 00
      +9
      If you look objectively, not one issue of fundamental change of the country has not been resolved

      this is all so, BUT such global problems are not solved at the click of a finger.
      I just want to introduce a little bit of optimism, because it’s a very gloomy article (and this does not make it false).
      I never tire of repeating that only 15 years have passed. I start counting from the 98th year, when we stood at the "edge".
      In fact - it's nothing. And the whole development of the country takes place in the key of constant resistance, when you have to literally force to pull out what is so necessary for survival.
      In no case will I argue about the role of Putin, but with his arrival a certain thread of the country's development has emerged, and this is better than complete uncertainty.
      I would not rule out that he was a henchman of the "higher powers", but if you remember, then Lenin was a henchman, and Hitler, but in both cases both leaders were so caught up in their "ideology" that they went against their creator.
      As for me, the GDP-DAM tandem collapsed before it even managed to grow. Both faces represent two different classes. This is not to say that they complement each other unfortunately.
      The struggle for Russia has just begun ... and as usual we are alone.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 5 November 2013 12: 34
        19
        Quote: silver_roman
        I never tire of repeating that only 15 years have passed. I start counting from the 98th year, when we stood at the "edge".

        Stalin during this time raised the country from ruins to flights into space.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 5 November 2013 14: 02
          +2
          This is all true, but you must agree that at that time our main opponents and opponents (enemies) were puzzled by the partition and division of the fallen Nazi Germany, and not exclusively by the destruction of the USSR. Stalin had time to carry out the corresponding reforms and the accompanying "vice". In addition, the state apparatus was cleared, which cannot be said about the current situation.
          I don’t remember who said it, but the point is that if Russia is given 15-20 years of stable and unhindered development, then the state will be transformed unrecognizably (in a good way)! good
          1. SV
            SV 5 November 2013 20: 38
            +4
            I don’t remember who said it, but the point is that if Russia is given 15-20 years of stable and unhindered development, then the state will be transformed unrecognizably (in a good way)!
            Stolypin. How long did it take Stalin and what is the price? There is no black and white, but personally ask yourself the question: which country to live in, the sample of the 90s or 010s. As for the present situation, each person holding power has his own garden, which he watered - this phrase was said by one person who was in the highest echelons of power. I know and respect him.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 15: 24
          15
          Quote: Ustas
          Stalin during this time raised the country from ruins to flights into space.

          If we follow this "forced" path, we will overstrain.
          The country did not have time to really come to its senses after the Great Patriotic War, and here you, grandmother, humpbacked St. George’s Day ...
          To solve the problems of corruption, performers of the highest rank are required. And there are people too, and they have families and children. And today there is no Alexander Matrosov among them. And if there is one, then he will not be banally let into the embrasure. And if he gets, crawling, clenching a check in his teeth, they will quickly declare insane - the media, as always under control.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 33
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            "If we follow such a" forced "path, we will overstrain.
            The country didn’t have time to really recover after the Great Patriotic War,
            and here you, grandmother, hunchbacked St. George's Day ... ".


            But did you have to give rest after the Great Patriotic War or to raise the city from ruins and rebuild the industry?
            Americans in 1945 already tested nuclear weapons not on mock-ups,
            but in real cities.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 09: 49
              +4
              Quote: sleepy
              Americans in 1945 already tested nuclear weapons not on mock-ups,
              but in real cities.

              No comment, as they say ...
              At your leisure, get acquainted with the state of industry of the USA and the USSR after the end of the Second World ...
              But the main thing is human reserves, the gene pool.
        3. goldfinger
          goldfinger 5 November 2013 18: 22
          +4
          Quote: Ustas
          Stalin during this time raised the country from ruins to flights into space.

          Quote: Ustas
          Stalin during this time raised the country from ruins to flights into space.

          Magazine photography -

          A detachment sits by the fire.

          You did not recognize Volodya?

          He sat in the front row.



          Runners are on the photo.

          With numbers on the chest.

          Ahead of someone you know -

          This is Vova ahead.



          Volodya was shot on weeding,

          And on holiday, on the tree,

          And on a boat by the river

          And at the chessboard.



          He was shot with a hero pilot!

          We will open another magazine

          He stands among the swimmers.

          Who is he in the end?

          What does he do?

          The fact that he is removed!



          Agnia Barto (1957)
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 16: 01
      -3
      , where they simply openly take money and budgets and put them in your pocket in HUGE amounts)


      And there is confirmation of this ???

      And why are you not in the reception of the Prosecutor General ???

      No clear evidence?

      Ahhhh! Are you afraid that the GP will not dig them and YOU? and then you do not go free in this life?

      And how else to know about those things? only if you’re stealing nearby! Other TAM is not informed !!!! wink
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 November 2013 19: 34
        +3
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        And there is confirmation of this ???

        Simple question. Where is Serdyukov?
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 39
        0
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        "And there is confirmation of this ???"


        Only from the Internet.
        “Another criminal case was opened on the fact of fraud in the Ministry of Defense.
        According to the investigation, scammers got out of control
        613 hectares of land in the Leningrad region.
        The damage amounted to about a billion rubles. "
        http://www.mr7.ru/articles/87944/
  • zvereok
    zvereok 5 November 2013 11: 26
    25
    How long will the killer of Russian soldiers be the hero and the head.

    Yuri Budanov, no matter how he treats him, has not committed as many crimes as the "hero of Russia". But he served time and was killed.

    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 5 November 2013 11: 31
      16
      never...
      1. Very old
        Very old 5 November 2013 12: 31
        +4
        zvereok, here's a confirmation from stroporez, and
    2. Very old
      Very old 5 November 2013 12: 29
      +5
      zvereok-GDP - NEVER. I don’t seem to live and see a sucker girl on a famous bench for many years.
    3. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 5 November 2013 17: 04
      -7
      Quote: zvereok
      How long will the killer of Russian soldiers be the hero and the head.

      Are you talking about whom, and what is the evidence?
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 10 November 2013 10: 17
        0
        Duc he himself boasted ....... Shaw of the first Russian killed at 16 years old ......
    4. SV
      SV 5 November 2013 20: 42
      +2
      : All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov in prison?

      YES, NEVER !!!!! (he knows so much ..............)
  • Civil
    Civil 5 November 2013 11: 30
    +5
    "New Russians" rob the people, salaries are not paid, and meager pensions are delayed. Doing business in white is impossible due to the fact that taxes have eaten up everything you get, and you still have to stay. As a result, "protection" and rampant organized crime. And everyone is ready to tear his neighbor with his teeth in order to live a day more than him. The people, in fact, were gone. There was a bunch of terrified rams, each of whom was concerned only with their own survival. 

    The author, if they do not talk about it on TV, this does not mean that it has changed. Just got used to it.
    The author just look at the number and structure of crime, everything is the same there. :-)

    Putin has achievements, undeniable, but you have not mentioned.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 55
      +2
      The author, if they do not talk about it on TV, this does not mean that it has changed. Just got used to it.
      The author just look at the number and structure of crime, everything is the same there. :-)


      I live in this country and I have experience in doing business. Therefore, here I can say for sure. Apparently, you also read the article inattentively. I indicated that now the situation has worsened again.

      These are only those seizures that I could observe, so to speak, from within the captured enterprises (not myself, but through friends in them who worked at fairly high posts). A common thread in all these events are the schemes of raider seizure of property in favor of Moscow structures (Aeroflot) and big business (NK Alliance) using the administrative power resource. These events took place against the background of such events as a sharp rise in prices for fuel and utility services, which outpaced the growth in prices for all goods and essential goods in relation to the growth in wages. Strengthening bureaucratic arbitrariness and corruption.


      What did I forget?
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 5 November 2013 13: 00
      13
      Civil
      Quote: Civil
      Putin has achievements indisputablebut you did not mention.

      ... There is BASIS, and there is ADJUST... For Putin, all his "indisputable" achievements are above (NEDO) construction sites, by the hands of crooks and Gaster, without foundation: Culture, Education and IDEAS. Dust in the eyes. Like, but the foundation in your house is falling apart (poured), and you wallpaper choose ...

      Quote: Asgard
      Hu is Putin ?! Actual question to this day)))
      This is the man when he came to the presidency. pushed the ratification of START and cut the "Satan" and "Well done" mine blew up and the Railway complex cut.
      Before him there were 7 oligarchs - with him three hundred... "GunVor" .... and the head of the State Corporation "ROSNEFT" is a foreign citizen DADLI)))
      He also signed the FZ-99 where NATO allowed troops is in our territory with weapons, without customs inspection and with family members)))
      Under Putin, in Russia there was a problem with gastrobayters ....and began to kill the Russians with knives ..
      For the last twenty years, -35 million people decline in Russia.



      That's what it is - BASIS.

      Quote: Asgard
      The Duma stopped thinking and talking with him (not a place for discussion)) laws are passed in two days with 98% support by deputies)))
      Laws about fines and TIGHTENING punishment, the second category is to prohibit)))
      HAS PASSED THE COUNTRY'S Sovereignty - joined the WTO. Signed US Reserve Reserve Act. Moreover, the countries in that law are listed not alphabetically, but in the Latin alphabet .... The stupid translation was signed by the "WISE" patriot of his country Vova)))))


      It - BASIS.
      "Limpiyads" are a secondary or tertiary superstructure.
      We can enjoy the "spectacles" ...
    3. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 5 November 2013 17: 11
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      The author, if they do not talk about it on TV, this does not mean that it has changed. Just got used to it.


      If you are convinced that everything was the same as it was, this does not mean that it is actually so.
      Many are convinced that in Russia the population is declining by one million a year, and they give birth only in the Caucasus, is that so?
    4. sleepy
      sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 44
      0
      Quote: Civil
      "Putin has achievements, undeniable, but you didn't mention."


      Here are the achievements from the Internet.
      "Here are collected major Russian projects currently being implemented, the scale of which exceeds 10 billion rubles."
      http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%
      D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D
      1%8B_%28%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%8F%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8F%29
      1. 31231
        31231 6 November 2013 06: 32
        0
        AND? What did you want to say with this link?
  • Egen
    Egen 5 November 2013 11: 34
    +2
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    But the article is not complete, as everything is one-sided!

    Yeah, IMHO there is (almost already) a redistribution of property and cash flows in favor of the new team. The old set of oligarchs was dispersed, who did not join the new one - it is indicated where. But I don’t agree about the role of VP: he is not a hired manager, but the most autocrat. Who would - really if you look - hired something? He will have more influence and power than half of them combined.
    IMHO has long been built informal and vertical and horizontal execution and delegation of authority from the center to the regions and further down to ... well, not villages but more or less significant entities. Now there is a process only of picking up small crumbs into a common piggy bank or - Selecting, also the remaining small ones. Examples are written in the article, everyone on the ground - who has eyes - before the eyes of their examples is enough. Execution from the top to the bottom - also everyone probably sees how it goes. On the one hand, this is in some ways good, if it does not contradict much more than the other (a dictatorship but not the proletariat). On the other hand, we don’t know, and it’s unlikely exactly when we will see, and what’s going on the way back, up ...
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 59
      +5
      Who would - really if you look - hired something? He will have more influence and power than half of them combined.


      The oligarchs. I understand that GDP has serious leverage. But he acquired them with his work and capital. I probably did not bring my thought to the Don. I would say that he is now the first among equals.

      IMHO has long been built informal and vertical and horizontal execution and delegation of authority from the center to the regions and further down to ... well, not villages but more or less significant entities.


      You are right.
      1. Egen
        Egen 5 November 2013 12: 21
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        The oligarchs. I understand that GDP has serious leverage. But he acquired them with his work and capital. I probably did not bring my thought to the Don. I would say that he is now the first among equals.

        Dear Alik hi , I understood your idea, but here - specifically, surname - who? Whoever you don’t look at is not the one to pull the chapter for strings ... Something oligarchs also do not see :)
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 13: 05
          10
          You know, I’m not my own enough at Rublevka to list your last names :). But logic suggests that GDP alone could not come to power. If he himself had started the game against BAB, then (he would have ended up in a hole with a shot through his head) he would not have put the interests of the oligarchs above the national ones. In addition, GDP does not have a team. St. Petersburg - all political minor - retinue. So someone had to pull it. Something like that.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 5 November 2013 18: 09
            0
            I think, if we accept the fact that the whole backbone of his team at different levels was from the former KGB officers, then he had a backbone, he was a judoka in order to use the enemy’s strength against himself, and also his epic GDP was lucky.
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 5 November 2013 12: 21
    -3
    All in a bunch. Nooooo.
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 5 November 2013 12: 42
    +6
    Putin legitimized the results of the privatization and thereby showed on whose side he is. And as for strengthening the country, social programs, so the oligarchs do not need a social explosion and need a country from which, by the hands of the same people, swing loot.
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 5 November 2013 13: 18
      +1
      Imagine the consequences if you wouldn’t legitimize it? Moreover, many people forget who removed the PSA. Do you want to explain it further? Do not remember the Yavlinsky ass?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 5 November 2013 16: 58
        +1
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        Moreover, many forget who PSA removed

        Where did you delete it? laughing

        The mustache is in place and stands tight.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 5 November 2013 12: 48
    13
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    But the article is not complete, as everything is one-sided!

    There is no fiction in the article; everything described was. And no one was punished for everything described.
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    There are many questions, one person can give an answer! but he is silent.

    If Putin resigns now, it will be a shock. Nobody knows who and where will lead the country and there is no guarantee that a dull redistribution of property will not begin. So, nothing will change in our country, although some will wait for the end of the Olympics, and then they will wait for the end of the World Cup laughing
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 15: 33
      11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      So, nothing will change in our country, although some will wait for the end of the Olympics, and then they will wait for the end of the World Cup

      To tear porcelain teeth without anesthesia still have to. Either the GDP itself will take over the pliers, or it will be seated in a dental chair.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 5 November 2013 12: 50
    0
    ... "The answer can be given by one person, but he is silent ..."
    Let's think cynically and mundane of the heading of the chapter - who is Putin? You must admit that even in an ordinary sharash-office they just don’t become a leader, as a rule - they become a protege of someone (sorry for the pun). And even more so you won’t just become the head of such a disorderly, but powerful and huge state ... I am close to the author’s thoughts that Putin was a hired manager at the time when he was brought into power. BUT!!! As time has shown, Putin turned out to be a statesman in his views, and - what is very important - a sensible and sober-minded person. He didn’t chop off the shoulder - in this case he would not be allowed to sit on the throne for one term, they would have come up with something ... Quiet glanders, without a civil war, all the same, the main oligarchs who want to rob the country with the help of a drunk or bad puppet - President, he removed. Slowly he went further ... At least, after Gorbach and the drunk EBN, he had enough pluses. Well, the fact that there are a lot of problems, and he supposedly does not solve them ... It seems to me that the point is not that HE DOESN’T WISH TO SOLVE THEM. It seems to me - they DO NOT GIVE him. I repeat, these are my thoughts, it seems to me.
    Well, he once started with Chubais ... Well, are you personally friends in life to throw out of the cage? This is me, cynical ... And this is a simple punk example.
    Well, then ... Here is the State Dura - the main hakonodatelny body of the country. You look, because there the shoblo rogues gathered! BUT!!! This shchobo - the legislative authority ... And so on, and a lot of all fucking ...
    Many are able to scold. To listen to Zyuganov or Grisha Yavlinsky - that is the only way they can lead Russia to prosperity ... And also Nemtsov and Zhirinovsky ... This is all fornication, and Putin, no matter how scolding him, is a man of work.
    It’s just that we began to place too stringent demands on ONE MAN, and not on the fucking environment. Forgot the dashing-busy-beggarly 90s, began to disassemble the gross domestic product? So it’s good, that’s all right, that means there’s time to talk - because it’s not a headache, that tomorrow the family will have nothing to eat!
    So not everything is so bad. And I stand up at the moment, not because I am a blind fan of GDP, but because I am for justice in assessing the business qualities of a person.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 13: 53
      +2
      Well, he once started with Chubais ... Well, are you personally friends in life to throw out of the cage? This is me, cynical ... And this is a simple punk example.


      Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are (s). At the expense of friendship with VVP with Chubais, I really hope that it is not there. Well, if you answer the question, then "out of the cage" would be thrown out. Let him go to his masters in the West and live there comfortably on the stolen goods. And in return, he continues to steal here.

      Well, then ... Here is the State Dura - the main hakonodatelny body of the country. You look, because there the shoblo rogues gathered! BUT!!! This shchobo - the legislative authority ... And so on, and a lot of all fucking ...


      What do you think, this "schoblo" was chosen without the knowledge of the GDP? I will believe in the regional Duma. At this level, I'm sorry - I don't believe it.

      So not everything is so bad. And I stand up at the moment, not because I am a blind fan of GDP, but because I am for justice in assessing the business qualities of a person.


      Not all. And I showed it. It is for justice.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 5 November 2013 15: 36
      -1
      Quote: pahom54
      WHAT HE DOES NOT DESIRE TO SOLVE THEM. It seems to me - they DO NOT GIVE him. I repeat, these are my thoughts, it seems to me.


      He says so: gradualness should be ....
      Well, you personally are friends for life out of the cage?


      He prefers that everything is according to the laws.
      You look, because there the shoblo rogues gathered!


      This DUR - would long ago in its place ANY = dispersed!

      This is all fornication, and Putin, no matter how scolding him, is a man of work.


      This is BUZACTION! Here sits and three n du, but in my mouth do not throw a handkerchief = THEM AND rejoice.
      And he always sang this "song" and with advice "in the tail and in the mane"! and it will be if there are any more building and builders of all there! How - NOVODVORSKAYA!
      and PUTIN, even though it will be golden for him in the kitchen to carve a hoof, will still itch!

      These are our people!
      And it should be treated like a rain - mind or not mind, and he will spill anyway!
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 5 November 2013 19: 24
        +2
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        He prefers everything to be according to the laws

        Seriously? laughing

        If so, would you please tell me about the compliance of Putin’s N 232-FZ dated 03.12.12 with the 133rd article of the Labor Code and part 3 of the article of the 80th Constitution?
    3. sleepy
      sleepy 6 November 2013 04: 53
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      "Well, he once started with Chubais ...
      Well, you personally are friends for life out of the cage?
      This is me, so cynical ... And this is a simple example of a spanish. "


      "When the creator of the 'Singapore miracle' Lee Kuan Yew was asked how he defeated corruption in traditional Chinese (the majority of Singapore's population) society, he replied: "He planted two friends - the rest themselves understood everything."
      It sounds wild amid a long-standing saying that "The only position that cannot be fired is a friend of the first person in the state."
      Do not "plant"! - “fire”.

      http://delyagin.ru/articles/41789.html
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 5 November 2013 18: 13
    +1
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    There are many questions, one person can give an answer! but he is silent.

    The day is gone
    as a premonition is vague
    Sun ray
    burned out in the window.
    Two in the room -
    я
    and Putin.
    And which of us is who -
    incomprehensible to me.

    Over the years
    he became essentially
    My alter ego
    without asking me
    My subconscious
    entangled Putin
    Stepping with him
    into a criminal connection.

    His appearance
    stately and stern
    A careful look
    like a doctor
    Reminded me since childhood
    favorite lines
    Other
    Vladimir Vladimirich.

    And I'm on a chair
    spread the newspaper
    To upholstery
    save him
    Got up,
    and taking the pose of the poet,
    Started like that
    in words
    speech:

    "Comrade Putin,
    I report to you
    Out of service
    but to my liking
    Per capita
    what once
    you pleased
    But to be honest,
    not happy already.

    Vladimir Vladimirich,
    I rarely speak to you
    Your time
    immensely appreciating
    But there is such a vegetable -
    bitter radish
    I hope,
    you understand me.

    Comrade Putin
    smoky factories
    Countless farms
    all stripes
    Yours
    once loved
    by name
    Mothers today
    scare children.



    Comrade Putin
    I beg you tearfully -

    While the brakes are working ...

    Comrade Putin
    until it's not too late…"
    I sobbed
    and opened his eyes.

    ... the night outside the window
    the black air is muddy,
    Sweet Russia
    up to the shit.
    From the tv
    staring
    Putin ...
    Fuck ...
    I'd rather die
    in a dream!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 November 2013 18: 38
    +3
    The article is controversial .. (especially in the current critical situation) The only thing I was always sure of was that you can’t blindly trust the rulers (politicians, etc.) .. You can blindly believe only in Russia! .. And the people start scratching the back of their head (touching on the forks ..) watching the Serdyukovy chubais, etc. .. The problems are accumulating .. (and the belts have nowhere to tighten ..) I wanted to say something like that ..
  • Vako
    Vako 5 November 2013 19: 15
    +1
    It is foolish to wait for answers and solutions from one person! Moreover, accusing him of all the sins of society! (Refers to the eternal whiners, who are all stupid and thieving, and they are "in Christ of a pure soul"!)
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 10 November 2013 10: 23
      0
      Quote: VaKo
      and they are "in Christ of a pure soul"!
      ------ distort ........... rather ----- "..... I do not believe in sinlessness, - I myself am sinful ........."
  • 222222
    222222 5 November 2013 23: 36
    0
    baron vrungel: "one person can give the answer! but he is silent ..."
    well. why? he already said ...
    "I plowed like a galley slave from morning to night. And I did it with full dedication" V. Putin.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpylRAHnpn0
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 6 November 2013 00: 36
      +3
      222222
      Quote: 222222
      "I plowed like a galley slave from morning to night. And I did it with full dedication" V. Putin.

      Well, yes ... Waving language, not tossing bags ...
      That's why I look at construction sites around, villages are reborn, people are happy, tariffs for everything are for show. The country in a single outburst performs labor exploits.
      Women give birth to 7-8 children and do not think how to feed them.
      And also to us the former union republics and states of Eastern Europe lined up in line. And our aircraft carriers are chasing NATO troops across the oceans of the world and they are cringing in fright at the shores of America.
      If so, then, my applause to the First Person ...
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 6 November 2013 02: 37
    0
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    But the article is not complete, as everything is one-sided!

    It is well complemented by an independent report http://www.putin-itogi.ru/doklad/ or just type in google - Putin’s report results. A lot of cognitive, in numbers and graphs.
    DO NOT HOPE TO READ !!!
  • rrrd
    rrrd 5 November 2013 10: 40
    +6
    whoever thinks but living under Putin is really better than steel! now remembered the 90s.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 5 November 2013 10: 44
      22
      regarding topic title Who is Mr. Putin
      and the content of the topic - An unrivaled politician, athlete and grandmaster to solve world problems. If he would put things in order in the economy and deal with the oligarchs, then he really would not have a price.
      1. a52333
        a52333 5 November 2013 10: 59
        +8
        By the way, the opposition of the Duma on this issue clearly shows what the Communist Party is like.
        It's right to the point. And, regarding today, again a crossroads. Or with the people or with the oligarchs. We are already at a fork.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 November 2013 12: 51
          +3
          Quote: a52333
          We are already at a fork.

          At which fork, we have no billions request
          1. Simon
            Simon 5 November 2013 14: 12
            +5
            After the Second World War, we didn’t have billions and there weren’t enough people, and everything that was destroyed was restored in a short time.
          2. a52333
            a52333 5 November 2013 14: 22
            +1
            But there are hundreds of millions of us
      2. Very old
        Very old 5 November 2013 12: 35
        +2
        Whatever it was, but today it seems to be the best of the other options.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 5 November 2013 12: 56
          15
          Whatever it was, but today it seems to be the best of the other options


          Amazing! You consider the power of the oligarchs "the best option"!
          How should people be confused so that they consider the power of the robbers of Russia - the oligarchs - "the best option" ???
          1. Very old
            Very old 5 November 2013 13: 01
            +1
            vladimirZ- suggest ... It may well be agree, and not only I alone
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 5 November 2013 14: 49
              +7
              Of the mass political forces of Russia that exist today:
              - "United Russia"created to strengthen the power of oligarchs and officials;
              - "KPRF", the remains of politically active members of the CPSU and politically active educated youth;
              - LDPR, a populist party based on Zhirinovsky’s charisma, fed up under all political regimes and existing to cast off the votes of citizens who are indiscriminate in the political situation and are dissatisfied with everything;
              - "Fair Russia", a party formed for an alternative to the "Communist Party" and the withdrawal from it of votes of voters dissatisfied with the policy of "United Russia".
              The rest of the parties, dwarfs or various movements like "orange" and paid for by the United States, are not taken into account.
              Choose according to your political convictions.
              If I do not support the political ideology of United Russia, aimed at consolidating oligarchic capitalism in Russia, and I consider it harmful for my country, I do not consider it possible for myself to vote for the Liberal Democratic Party for the above reasons, then I have a small alternative to choose between the Communist Party and " Fair Russia ".
              Yes, today the Communist Party is not actively defending its position, it lacks vivid political leaders, BUT, this party defends the interests of the people, calling the only one of all to deprivatize and nationalize raw materials and monopoly industries, to return the state to the economy, as opposed to the liberal policy of withdrawing the state from the economy "as ineffective", and the introduction of a progressive income tax scale.
              The Communist Party, realizing its responsibility does not call for bloody revolutions, it seeks to achieve its goals in a peaceful, elective way.
              The authorities of the oligarchs and Putin understand the danger the Communist Party poses to them and create all the obstacles for it so that the people forget WHAT IS THIS PARTY.
              The Communist Party is very rarely admitted to the media, on television all the time United Russia flashed, the charismatic Zhirinovsky with his scandalous slogans.
              Perhaps long, but I tried to answer your question.
              1. Very old
                Very old 5 November 2013 17: 39
                +2
                Everyone understands how and for what "Edryona" was created; today it is: mind, honor and conscience ... the second berry on the list is also a berry. There is no talk of a liberal one.
                As for the Communist Party, it’s a burden of old mistakes ... At one time it became stagnant, stopped developing, completely took care of the number, and not the purity of its ranks.
                Do not remember?
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 15: 43
              +5
              Quote: Very old

              vladimirZ- suggest ... It may well be agree, and not only I alone

              So far, all the options are reduced to lines from the International: "The whole world of violence ...".
          2. SV
            SV 5 November 2013 21: 05
            +1
            Call at least one country in the world (except the DPRK) where differently !!!!!!!!!!!
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 15: 39
        +8
        Quote: Apollon
        If he would put things in order in the economy and deal with the oligarchs, then he really would not have a price.

        There is no limit to perfection...
        What we have - we do not store, having lost - weep ...
        It seems that he really has no sensible team for internal showdowns.
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 10 November 2013 10: 29
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          It seems that he really has no sensible team for internal showdowns.
          ------ so where does it come from ???????? such a feeling that all the actions of the leaders are aimed at ensuring that such a team never appeared ............
      4. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 5 November 2013 18: 58
        +1
        The politician is young (relatively) and not stupid for sure! Weight is gaining in the world .. I think he is waiting for the right moment to change a lot in Russia .. and in the world (how Brezhnev is unlikely to be able to sit out, and as Gorbach, the more so the second Russia can’t stand it just ..)! In the next year two, something dramatic should happen .. Otherwise, the riot is bloody and merciless (SMUTA ..90 = e I think everyone remembers .. it will be even cooler!) I am a little malicious, but with the hope that everything will be the way in Russia!
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 5 November 2013 10: 53
      26
      Quote: rrrd
      whoever thinks but living under Putin is really better than steel! now remembered the 90s.

      Well, against the background of Perestroika-Gorbi and Alik-Yeltsin, this is a win-win option!
      Life is getting better and more fun!
      Does "United Russia" shine for us in the twilight of the nights?
      We in N. Novgorod introduced electrical soldering as an experiment. Fifty kilowatts per person, so dusk thickens!
      1. carver
        carver 5 November 2013 11: 48
        +7
        Quote: Arberes
        We in N. Novgorod introduced electrical soldering as an experiment. Fifty kilowatts per person, so dusk thickens!

        Yes, 50 kW is of course nonsense, but remember our region does not provide itself with sufficient electricity. It is not for nothing that the nuclear power plant was planned at one time almost on the edge of the LV. Perhaps this "electric soldering" was introduced to try to limit the leakage of dough from the NN region to others. The option, of course, for the people is completely dibble and hits hardest on those who are forced to sit at home a lot: mothers on maternity leave, retirees ... But when it worried those who control the budget (in this case, the region). So I would also draw attention to another aspect: the change in the time of the day and night rates, namely, the reduction of the second and its shift strictly into the night. Here it is already purely profitable for those who trade in electricity (note not those who produce or transmit whom it is customary to call power engineers, namely those who resell), since earlier the division by tariffs was tied to the peak load two daily peak loads in the industry during the working (day) time and evening and night decline. To stimulate consumption during this recession and for a more even load of generating stations, there were preferential evening and even night tariffs (two and three tariff meters). But now, in order not to lose money from the population in the evening, this tariff was reduced in time and shifted into the night. And most importantly, without justification, well, where are we all going, all one will come and turn on the light. And now this is already pure lobbyism of traders who have sat down on the cream of the electric power industry.
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        2. Egen
          Egen 5 November 2013 12: 04
          -2
          Quote: carver
          Yes, 50 kW is of course nonsense, but remember, our region does not provide itself with electricity in sufficient quantities. No wonder that nuclear plants almost on the edge of NN were planned at one time.

          Yes, too ... not nonsense, but the last century :) What kind of nuclear power plant, for what, what kind of timeline, etc.? Distributed energy has long been introduced abroad. There is even a container mega-station at 5 even in the center of Berlin, and mines all over Europe and America themselves generate electric power from 1980.
          Even we have been here for 5 for how we have tried it all. There are no problems, for the scale and attraction of foreign investors, it would be desirable to bring our stupid prohibiting laws (from nature to tariffs) to the ones that came abroad.
          In general, it would be a couple of years to introduce a system of coherent coherent (electric power plants) with the logistics of liquefied gas available in the Russian Federation, there would be money, and no nuclear power plant with a payback period of N years is needed!
          ... unfortunately, the issue here is financing - distributed energy is disadvantageous to functionaries, because it is mostly private (because profitability is higher), not like nuclear power plants - here you can warm up for a long time :(
          1. carver
            carver 5 November 2013 13: 35
            +2
            Quote: Egen
            Yes, too ... not nonsense, but the last century :) What kind of nuclear power plant, for what, what kind of timeline, etc.? Distributed energy has long been introduced abroad. There is even a container mega-station at 5 even in the center of Berlin, and mines all over Europe and America themselves generate electric power from 1980.
            Even we have been here for 5 for how we have tried it all. There are no problems, for the scale and attraction of foreign investors, it would be desirable to bring our stupid prohibiting laws (from nature to tariffs) to the ones that came abroad.
            In general, it would be a couple of years to introduce a system of coherent coherent (electric power plants) with the logistics of liquefied gas available in the Russian Federation, there would be money, and no nuclear power plant with a payback period of N years is needed!
            ... unfortunately, the issue here is financing - distributed energy is disadvantageous to functionaries, because it is mostly private (because profitability is higher), not like nuclear power plants - here you can warm up for a long time :(

            You obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about and don’t imagine what kind of network is and where, and how it is caused. By the principle of structure and reliability, the Unified Energy Network of the USSR, and now Russia, is made by very smart people and it is more reliable than all Western ones in its structure. Even in Germany, on this by our standards a small piece of land, the connection between different regions of the country is very weak and in fact in case of a serious accident it is very problematic to supply energy from one part of the country to another. But we built a network that redistributes energy daily from one end of the country to the other, depending on where it is needed now. All of these container power plants are local solutions. Yes, our gas specialists also use gas turbine generators a lot and at one time they wanted to put them almost under a nearby power line, such as what for we still have to deal with these. But then it was still not the Effective Manager who came to see it, but the man who understood and showed the goat to everyone, saying that there where these generators are pulled where the new power transmission line is difficult and profitable, but it’s stupid and unprofitable to use them everywhere. NPP is now one of the cheapest ways to generate electricity.
            Yes, our power engineers have a lot to learn in the West: the organization and control of the construction of new facilities (maybe it’s okay and the deadlines are pressed to complete the construction somehow and introduce), the organization of repairs with minimal costs, and in the end, start changing equipment that has already expired on the "accumulated" depreciation funds, and not to operate equipment that has exhausted its resource 2 or 3 times (I know places where there are still fascist transformers and have heard about pre-war ones).
            1. Egen
              Egen 5 November 2013 17: 43
              +1
              Quote: carver
              You obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about

              Dear Yuri hi Hello, I’ve been working in this field for so many years, participated in the creation of energy and gas strategies and a lot of calculations that have passed all the examinations, and still can’t imagine? :)
              Understand that
              Quote: carver
              NPP is now one of the cheapest ways to generate electricity.

              no one argues, but then what? megavtniks - this is not a rope on 0,5kV to forward, it's just a huge cost :) And where is the money? Everything rests on the payback period. In coal mines, where in general the entire infrastructure has long been in place, a huge capacity problem arose during the development of production. It seems that the 1-2 mines are to be built, but the 15-20 MW is necessary, however, the power lines and substations are all clogged, they need to be changed, and because of these unfortunate trifles there are billions of expenses that no one can take on going to. Therefore, it’s naturally better to put several units into the gas power station and sell electricity to neighbors, as even network companies do :)
              And the fact that our single network type redistributes ... maybe somewhere and yes ... But in our area just all the "wires" are clogged by 100%. and from
              Quote: carver
              All these container power plants are local solutions.
              - and this is how the network develops, it’s precisely in the place of energy that there isn’t :(

              Quote: carver
              Yes, our gas workers also use gas turbine generators a lot and at one time they wanted to put them almost under a nearby power line,

              I’m talking about this ... but where is it with you, if not secret? :)
              Quote: carver
              but everywhere to apply them is stupid and unprofitable

              Naturally, open any regional energy strategy - everything is there in a complex ... but everything is unrealistic because of money, I repeat - where is the money? GPESki and others like them allow you to quickly install them and, accordingly, quickly recoup the business, which is attractive to private capital. A nuclear power plant is good, (although not very much - Europe refuses the same), but how many of them have been built after the USSR? :(
              1. carver
                carver 6 November 2013 23: 37
                +1
                Oooo I won’t argue with an expert who asks where the network is redistributing energy from. And to unload your lines, for a start, try installing reactive power sources closer to consumers. Because most often the lines about this reason are busy, at one time it was the experts who forbade the consumers to support cosine fi by adjusting the tariff. And in my account of your installations, I clearly answered that it can be beneficial to use them in particular cases, but not nationwide.
                1. Egen
                  Egen 7 November 2013 06: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: carver
                  Oooo I won’t enter into a polemic with an expert who asks where the network is redistributing energy from. And to start unloading your lines, try to install reactive power sources closer to consumers

                  Damn, Yuri, why do you think that everything is so simple :( For example, on our spot with 1 substation, there are two dozen mining enterprises with several megawatt excavators. These are different legal entities - owners of mining and several network companies. We have all 3 months I was digging an energy audit from Moscow with the participation of a regional network company - go and tell your colleagues :) Well, yes, they changed something, it’s better, but still the problem of subsidence and shutdowns when starting excavators is completely and just hz. why :) they didn’t decide to the end :( If you think you can handle it, come help :)
                  And as for where, where ... Duck, even scientists do not understand how the electrons run through the wires :)
                2. atalef
                  atalef 7 November 2013 07: 17
                  +2
                  carver (1) Yesterday, 23: 37 ↑
                  Oooo I won’t argue with an expert who asks where the network is redistributing energy from. And to unload your lines, for a start, try installing reactive power sources closer to consumers. Because most often the lines about this reason are busy, at one time it was the experts who forbade the consumers to support cosine fi by adjusting the tariff. And in my account of your installations, I clearly answered that it can be beneficial to use them in particular cases, but not nationwide.

                  Well, reactive compensators certainly offload the network, but to say that the networks are clogged only because of reactive capacities is not correct, by the way, but how to get the consumer to maintain cosine fi, if not by the tariff?
                  Now, on the occasion of the capacities (or rather lack of grasp), the previous post, and what prevents us from putting coal on the coal mine. coal station? and if gas is close, then gas turbine stations, one unit up to 375 MW, a year is under construction, 12 service staff is enough, in my opinion
                  1. Egen
                    Egen 7 November 2013 08: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    and what prevents to put e-mail on a coal mine coal station? and if gas is close, then gas turbine stations, one unit up to 375 MW, a year is under construction, 12 service staff is enough, in my opinion

                    Yes, in principle, nothing interferes - the boiler rooms are there, but el-st is a completely different economy and permits, and now the owners consider all the money ... the wholesale network tariff - only to a minimum of 1,7p. Own for some reason turns out to be more expensive on coal. In addition, half of the mines are coke. But to buy energy - it makes no sense.
                    Gas turbines of such high power are simply not needed. Mine need - 10-20 MW. A cut with excavators - well, 40-50. This is not the USSR where everything was united, now everything is divided into small owners. Even in technological roads they got confused who built what, who they own and who how much to pay for the fare :( It's sad all this :( And you say - such a huge block, yes + everything else ...
                    Yes, and for such a power supply, you need a clear gas supply without failures, which is not so easy to provide - in the outback from the main pipe. Of course, there are low-power turbines, just Kapstone has only 30 kW, but they have shown themselves quite capriciously in operation compared to gas-piston ones. In our harsh environment. In the same Canada, it seems normal with the same weather, but we do not ... probably because of the culture of production. Therefore, at our mines there have long been gas power plants with 1-1,3 MW, and some with 3pcs. They are also different, well, this is a separate topic of the analysis of their tests for 4 of the year :) + GPES in that they can run on lean gas (up to min 40% methane in mine gas) and in a wide load range (up to min 40%) . Moreover, in Kuzbass they began to use 60 kW mini-gas power plants for individual supply of methane-well sites (in June there were articles and videos on this subject on the Internet for anyone interested). The gas field already has 4 gas power plants in total under 7 MW in various places, and coal miners and neighboring villages are also supplied. It also happens that there are enough ropes in 0,5 kW. In economics + per person. Than coal - it turns out more profitable. HZ why :)
                    Now we would still have to implement the next pilot project - similar to the experiment in the Sverdlovsk region - through LNG logistics, supplying turnkey needs of areas remote from the pipe ... unfortunately, things are not as fast as we would like :(
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 November 2013 12: 53
          +8
          Quote: carver
          but remember, our region does not provide itself with sufficient electricity.

          Sorry, but is it really people who are to blame?
          1. carver
            carver 5 November 2013 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: carver
            but remember, our region does not provide itself with sufficient electricity.

            Sorry, but is it really people who are to blame?

            Well, I don’t know whether you have mastered the text completely, but I didn’t blame people, I only spoke about the most probable reason for such low standards in some areas, including in Nizhny Novgorod where I myself live.
    3. Algor73
      Algor73 5 November 2013 10: 57
      +7
      If we recall Ukraine in the 90s, then we can also say that now life has become better. The period was like that. But I don’t want to say something like that, something tells me that we are going the wrong way (I mean not only the upcoming signing of an association with the EU), everyone wants to be kings.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 November 2013 11: 10
      20
      Quote: rrrd
      whoever thinks but living under Putin is really better than steel! now remembered the 90s.


      Wow, sorry just not everyone

      In Russia, there are 87 billionaires with a combined capital of $ 471,4 billion. Russian billionaires pay the lowest taxes in the world (13%), which their colleagues in France and Sweden (57%), in Denmark (61%) or Italy did not dream of. (66%). 1,5% of the Russian population own 50% of national wealth.

      And the situation with corruption, the situation in Russia is worse than in many African countries: Russia took 133rd place (out of 176 countries) along with the Comoros, Guyana, Honduras, Iran and Kazakhstan. The ratings of the other three BRIC countries look much better: Brazil took 73rd place, China - 80th, and India - 94th. A particularly strong fall in Russia's position in the index occurred at the beginning of Putin’s second presidential term: in just one year, the country moved from 90th to 126th place.
      1. a52333
        a52333 5 November 2013 11: 14
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        A particularly strong decline in Russia's position in the index occurred at the beginning of Putin’s second presidential term: in just one year, the country moved from 90 to 126.
        Rating from Moodies? Nobody says that situevina is chocolate. But not 126 for sure.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 5 November 2013 11: 44
          +7
          Quote: a52333
          Rating from Moodies?


          No Kremlin began to criticize itself.
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        3. 31231
          31231 6 November 2013 00: 08
          0
          Rating from Moodies?


          Is it now in Navalny drove in blozik? lol
      2. smile
        smile 5 November 2013 11: 49
        +1
        Vadivak
        The situation with corruption is now such that it has dropped completely to the European level. Of course, you shouldn't be equal to them and you need to fight with it ... but you shouldn't throw mud at yourself at the suggestion of all sorts of "Moody's". You should know who, how and for what draws such ratings.
        By the way, didn’t you notice that it is the bad authorities that voice numerous corruption scandals and revelations? In the nineties, when they looted the whole country, when corruption was total and the judge could be given a bribe right at the reception (as, for example, now in Lithuania) they were silent about the problem, like a fish about ice, including the opposition.
        I repeat for those who are dull, I don’t think that the situation with corruption is normal, but it’s unfair to not notice positive changes.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 5 November 2013 12: 06
          11
          Quote: smile
          You should know who draws such ratings, how and why.


          What Mudis? Do not you see the situation with Serdyukov?
          1. smile
            smile 5 November 2013 18: 31
            +7
            Vadivak
            I see. Similar Krassssavians regularly appear either in France or in Greece (where one of their defense ministers took, and stole a third of the country's annual military budget), then in Italy, everywhere. The scale of theft is the same. And the perpetrators are not always brought to justice. The Pentagon is not inferior to ours in the extent of theft.
            I repeat, it’s not that I like Serdyukovism or the dizzying pirouettes of our justice — I don’t like it when someone starts to claim that we are extraordinarily crap. And all of us are the worst.
            1. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 00: 10
              +2
              They simply legalized it and is called the lobby. And in our country, instead of sprinkling ashes on our heads with all their capabilities.
      3. silver_roman
        silver_roman 5 November 2013 12: 07
        +6
        Ratings ... I probably will soon begin to perceive them exactly, but vice versa. If the country's rating in terms of promoting small business is growing in a positive direction, for example, then the situation is getting worse.
        the corruption rating has fallen, it means that the oligarchs are being strangled, so the oligarchs are paying for the next extras to write a rating and create some kind of pressure on the authorities.
        Statistics: homeless man eats cabbage, oligarch meat. eat cabbage rolls together !!!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 5 November 2013 12: 14
          +2
          Quote: silver_roman
          then the oligarchs pay for the next extras to write a rating

          Did the oligarchs do this too?
          21.07.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov went on an official visit to Beijing to sign a protocol on the transfer to the Chinese of Tarabarov Island and half of Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island, which are located on the Amur River, near Khabarovsk. On the same day, the protocol was signed. Russia officially parted with these territories.
          1. alicante11
            5 November 2013 13: 09
            +3
            Let's say thanks in unison to Gorbaty, who officially renounced the provisions of the Beijing Treaty. As a result, the rules for drawing the border along the rivers from 1919 came into effect. So, legally, nothing can be done here. In the 19th century, we threw the Chinese, now we have returned "their interests". But there was one less problem between us.
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 6 November 2013 01: 22
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              "Let's say in unison thanks to Gorbaty, who officially refused
              from the provisions of the Beijing Treaty. As a result ... "


              It was necessary to officially recognize Gorbachev as crazy
              with manic psychosis and cancel all his actions as Secretary General.
              That would be a precedent ...
    5. Ustas
      Ustas 5 November 2013 11: 43
      +6
      Quote: rrrd
      whoever thinks but living under Putin is really better than steel! now remembered the 90s.

      As much as the oligarchs allowed you.
      Who is Mr. Putin?

      The project of the struggle of some oligarchs with others.
      1. rrrd
        rrrd 5 November 2013 11: 51
        0
        we will never live as the local population of the UAE! it has always been and will be!
    6. Egen
      Egen 5 November 2013 11: 53
      +5
      Quote: rrrd
      really live better under Putin! now remembered 90's

      Respected hi , yes, they began to live better, I agree with you. But for the sake of objectivity, it is necessary to take into account at least several factors, and not one - in the EP. For example, the price of oil and gas :) In addition, if there are comrades who are involved in the market — not vegetable, but marketing — then they know that everything is relative. A simple example: we have built good roads, the best speak in Siberia - and this is + the regional authorities. But at the same time, China built in 5 times better (in terms of parameters) and 20 times more roads (it turns out that 24 shares in our company accounted for builders :)) Well, how did Emirates and Holland manage their oil revenues ..
      In general, I am not opposed, and I am positive about the changes that have taken place, but let's not just stupidly applaud the propaganda, but think about what really was done and what happened on its own under the influence of external factors!
      1. rrrd
        rrrd 5 November 2013 12: 33
        0
        You do not compare China, UAE, Holland. with RUSSIA! firstly on roads (ter. not comparable) secondly, the Chinese economy is progressing and full of money. in such a country with such a territory, it is not possible to see everything for one person.
        1. Egen
          Egen 5 November 2013 12: 45
          +6
          Quote: rrrd
          You do not compare China, UAE, Holland. with RUSSIA

          Why, on the contrary, is a very good comparison!
          1) Roads. Territories are not comparable, but the density of the road network? In terms of length, there will be even more, especially if by category. And in terms of quality - oddly enough in our part of the climate, there aren’t such frosts, the number of crossings through 0С in Norway and Canada is greater, so it's not in harsh conditions, but in the head
          2) The economy of China is therefore progressing because it is legalized to steal! If I'm not mistaken from memory, 10% of import contracts can be spent "on promotion", or something like that. A step to the side is a real execution ... We also have a lot of money, just not where China has!
          and 3) In Holland, apart from tulips, there was nothing at all, and it is just being served to the whole world as an example of the successful development of the economy with oil money!
          4) To see - and what to watch, delegation of authority is such a function, and here everything is fine with us :)
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 5 November 2013 12: 45
          +7
          Quote: rrrd
          You do not compare China, UAE, Holland. with RUSSIA!


          For information

          On October 12, 2009, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and the head of the Communist Party of China, Hu Jintao, approved a new cooperation program in New York under which Russia will provide China with access to the resource base of the Far East and Eastern Siberia in exchange for high-tech production in Chinese territory.
      2. alicante11
        5 November 2013 13: 13
        +1
        But for the sake of objectivity, it is necessary to consider at least several factors, and not one - in the EP. For example, the price of oil and gas :)


        Without the cancellation of the PSA, all this profit would have gone by.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 5 November 2013 17: 14
          -2
          Quote: alicante11
          Without the cancellation of the PSA, all this profit would have gone by.

          I wrote about this below - stamps, clichés and conjectures laughing

          Try to tell me what exactly Putin canceled:

          Could there be an agreement law? laughing So no - 225 FZ acts.

          Maybe the agreements themselves? laughing So no - only 3 agreements were concluded, and Sakhalin 1, Sakhalin 2 and Kharyaginskoye deposit both worked on the PSA and are working.

          So what exactly did Putin cancel?
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 5 November 2013 23: 19
            +3
            Quote: Yarosvet
            So no - only 3 agreements were concluded, and Sakhalin 1, Sakhalin 2 and Kharyaginskoye deposit both worked on the PSA and are working.

            They have already forgotten the story that was about 6 years ago. When foreign companies began to add to the costs of 2 billion dollars for office supplies and others. Then the GDP they drove a fine for environmental pollution by 7 like a billion.
            As a result, Russia received instead of a 30% stake, 61% plus something with taxation towards Russia has changed.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 5 November 2013 23: 26
              +1
              Quote: Russ69
              Just read 225 FZ.
    7. Far East
      Far East 5 November 2013 12: 01
      +6
      Quote: rrrd
      whoever thinks but living under Putin is really better than steel! now remembered the 90s.

      dear, well, who’s got a better life? Yes, we just have not lived! after the drunk, the same FIRES at the helm. Yes, no one to compare! then sho we have more products on the shelves it was yes! and prices for food., gas., climb this fucking utilities can be listed a lot. but from this I did not live a better life. I lived better in the 90s. something like this hi
      1. rrrd
        rrrd 5 November 2013 12: 29
        +5
        I don’t know! I lived in the 90s! than you and how you were better off living! and what did you do! it was better for you to live because for travel in a public transport. they didn’t pay, you didn’t have a water meter, there was a complete mess, rights cost 3500 rubles. You can still list and write for a long time! maybe you just nastolgiya ???
        1. Far East
          Far East 5 November 2013 13: 15
          +4
          Quote: rrrd
          than you and how you were better off living! and what did you do! it was better for you to live because for travel in a public transport.

          1. I don’t drive commonly., transp., I have my own wheels! 2.about water it’s generally funny! wait soon we will pay for the air with such managers such as PU. 3. Law himself studied under the Communist Party. I tore the veins, the family was! Cars changed a couple a month! it's true! I went to the seas every week, ran to Japan, crab handed over when there was a passenger car 200 $ and so on. and now for the post on housing and communal services, all wait for the bailiffs! I stole a bag of potatoes for 5 years in camps! stole lard rebuke let go! and where is justice in general! cops added! otherwise they earn little on bribes! and indeed they accept laws for themselves! but the people endure, and endure! it can be written for a long time; you yourself know everything! hi
          1. rrrd
            rrrd 5 November 2013 13: 27
            +1
            Well, in foreign countries for a long time they pay for the air! and there income tax is far from 13%, but I say nastalgia. for a bag of potatoes and planted in the 90s. wink
            1. Far East
              Far East 5 November 2013 13: 42
              +5
              Quote: rrrd
              Well, in foreign countries for a long time they pay for the air! and there is income tax

              here PU will soon give an order to their guardsmen, if they would develop such taxes and in general! sho we all sit on the OPU! I didn’t BETTER with PU live it clearly FACT! my granny is 97 years old. she tells me, I don’t want to live with this ... dragging! and she has something to compare.! hi
    8. ARS56
      ARS56 5 November 2013 12: 24
      -2
      Putin is undoubtedly the savior of the Russian state.
      The only pity is that he can work efficiently only by surrounding himself with real enemies of his homeland. And in no way can he get out of the image of a scout - illegal.
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 5 November 2013 13: 59
        +7
        Quote: ARS56
        he can work effectively only by surrounding himself with real enemies of his homeland

        Do not you think that this insanity is effective to work for the good of the motherland, surrounded by enemies of the motherland
        Quote: ARS56
        And in no way can he get out of the image of a scout - illegal.

        in my opinion, he already does not pull on a scout, he does not see much, does not know, does not notice, remember the answer to the question about the defense service case, I did not know
      2. goldfinger
        goldfinger 5 November 2013 18: 28
        0
        Quote: ARS56
        Putin is undoubtedly the savior of the Russian state.

        Poems about Putin

        Almost all poems about Lenin can be used a second time, only slightly updated. The main thing is that there was no appeal by Ilyich at the end of the line - otherwise it does not go down.

        For example, in a poem Leave Putin, Hope Diaz writes:

        Leave Putin alone
        You can’t mess up a saint.
        He brought light to Russia with him,
        The Great Union was able to create.

        Leave Putin, don't
        Descendants brazenly lie and lie,
        Look around Russia with just one glance -
        She just had to die.

        Without the light of Putin’s idea
        Her life will be short-lived.
        Her democrats are like snakes
        Like the last crow in an hour.

        And Putin will not die
        He created and lived for people.
        Years will pass, and believe me,
        We will need it even more ...

        And therefore do not touch
        You are Putin's great dust.
        The poor of Russia are with him
        Together with him in thoughts and deeds.

        But the poet Kustov writes in the poem Portrait):

        ... More in the corner hung an image,
        But who paid attention to it,
        When Putin’s native eyes
        Have you squinted at the dugouts from the portrait?

        We are brought to life by him,
        Farm laborers and day laborers are children.
        Me and my rural peers
        He handed the ticket for centuries.

        And now, after wars and labors,
        Seasoned in the struggle of everyday
        You're ready to hit the road
        With the same full mental reserve.

        Or, the poet N. Vylka writes in a long, but soulful way (translated from Nenets. G. Semenov, Ibid.):

        He stood above the earth in all his height,
        All countries, the whole world looked around.
        He raised his head above the stars
        I saw all the thoughts of people.

        And to the frozen tundra, to the ends of the earth,
        Under the arches of polar darkness
        The rays from the sun-Putin came
        And we smiled at the rays.

        How to measure their warmth?
        I can’t find such measures in any way.
        How to talk about Putin's world?
        There are no such words at all.

        Great mind and great soul
        Among government affairs
        And that the Nenets lived well,
        Putin knew how to take care.

        But here the fog hung over the tundra:
        He died - the biggest communist.
        Buran flew from end to end.
        He died - Putin is the father.

        And when they put it in the mausoleum, -
        We cried, and he,
        Calm for us, for our children,
        He lay as if he had a dream.

        He knew that everyone in the tundra would be warm,
        That the sun shines over her
        What the party holds Putin's light
        In his mighty hand.

        Well, the poets who loved to rhyme on Ilyich will have to suffer, here excuse me, move. No place for such artisans on the ship of our time.
    9. Dimon-chik-79
      Dimon-chik-79 5 November 2013 12: 54
      +7
      If things continue like this,
      as though with other feelings, I didn’t have to remember the 90s ...
      Now we flounder at the expense of oil and gas and support foreign production with the same funds (thanks to the WTO).
      So if gas prices collapse, then there’s nothing for us to buy food and goods abroad, and given that there are 10 million foreigners from Asia on our territory who are now actively brainwashed by various Islamic terrorist organizations, then the country may be very hot!
  • ReifA
    ReifA 5 November 2013 10: 44
    +5
    Putin is the success of foreign diplomacy, at least as I see it. Well, inside the country - it is very ambiguous. The oligarchs are thriving. Corruptionists are stealing. Inside Putin’s roofing felts are tied, there’s no desire to understand. In any case, there is no alternative to it yet, it’s not for the bulk to vote for the people ..
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 5 November 2013 10: 49
      +1
      Well, I say, we have some kind of dual power ...
      In foreign policy, everything is smooth, but inside is rotten.
      But if Putin is trying for the sake of the country, this is good, but if he tears his saddle in order to achieve a favorable regime for our oligarchs, this is a pipe ...
      Nevertheless, I hope that he is tearing his saddle for the country!
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 November 2013 11: 00
        19
        Quote: mirag2
        Well, I say, we have some kind of dual power ...


        Interesting fact

        On 24 of August 2009, a great miracle happened in Russia - the living god Buddhists in Buryatia were revealed to the people, while visiting them with the President, they recognized Medvedev as the earth incarnation of the goddess Belaya Tara, performed a prostration rite, and our Medvedev became a living god.
        These managed to lick to the glands.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 5 November 2013 11: 38
          +3
          On 4 of August 2009, a great miracle happened in Russia - the living god Buddhists in Buryatia were revealed to the people, while visiting them with the President, they recognized Medvedev as the earth incarnation of the goddess Belaya Tara, performed a prostration rite, and our Medvedev became a living god.
          These managed to lick to the glands.


          Judging by the faces in the photo, there are those who are not happy with this decision.

          PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 5 November 2013 11: 46
            +5
            Quote: zvereok
            Judging by the faces in the photo, there are those who are not happy with this decision.


            This is on the right which? Probably didn’t give
      2. alicante11
        5 November 2013 11: 04
        +5
        We were seriously lucky that the interests of the oligarchs and Russia at some point coincided. Well, then ...
      3. Grbear
        Grbear 5 November 2013 12: 48
        0
        Not dual power, but a split personality. There is no power to cope with the oligarchs and no impulse from the people.

        And in matters of foreign policy there is order - because everything is clear there: it is not beneficial for Russia - that means there will be no. But as soon as the economy appears (read the interests of the oligarchs), then external. politics stalls (trade in energy resources with China at low prices and money in advance until the "locks" in Russia are closed).
    2. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 03
      +5
      Inside Putin’s roofing felts are tied, there’s no desire to understand.


      Like a hired manager. How can he deal with the owners and their lackeys? Put maximum under house arrest.
    3. Starfish
      Starfish 5 November 2013 11: 29
      0
      "As a result, many authorities realized that soon all of them would end. Maybe they were prompted that it was time to move into bureaucratic chairs."

      immediately the film "Zhmurki" was recalled. Mikhalkov outlined the situation in this comedy.
    4. military
      military 5 November 2013 12: 00
      12
      myth ... empire outside, colony inside ... Janus with claims to no alternative ...
    5. silver_roman
      silver_roman 5 November 2013 12: 10
      -1
      That's right, but depending on which side you look.
      I think everyone understands that our oligarchs and "public figures" of the NAVAL type receive support from overseas. Therefore, if you strangle them on the spot, it will turn out like with the head of a hydra: one chopped off, two grew.
      Maybe (!) If you turn off the taps of support to these same Serdyukovs, bulk, dvorovichi, etc., it will be easier to strangle them later?
      Assumptions can be built as many as you want!
  • Fox
    Fox 5 November 2013 10: 45
    21
    I read the article and was surprised to find out that small business "just healed! ..." from the lawlessness of bureaucrats.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 06
      0
      The fact is that I myself had my own business with 2005 last year. And therefore, I felt quite well how it was to conduct business during the 2005-2009 years and how after that. Obviously, you read the article inattentively. It states that now the situation has changed a lot. And an improvement in the business situation was noted in 2003-2008.
      1. Fox
        Fox 5 November 2013 11: 33
        +1
        I have the "luck" to be stewed in business since 1995. I felt everything ... and yes, everything is white, without gray schemes and bribes.
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 12: 03
          0
          In the 90s without gray schemes and without a "roof"? You are laughing. Of course, I was still just studying then. But among the acquaintances there were people of different flights, incl. and businessmen. Therefore, he himself entered the business with great caution and only when he felt the changes that he was talking about.
          1. Orik
            Orik 5 November 2013 22: 02
            0
            It all depends on the business, in some cases it is possible, but ... not from the very beginning, but now.
            1. alicante11
              6 November 2013 07: 55
              0
              If possible, nevertheless, specifically. Maybe in those years I missed something?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 5 November 2013 10: 51
    +1
    Who is Mr. Putin
    How many people, so many opinions. Moreover, any political force sees in it completely opposite features.
    1. military
      military 5 November 2013 12: 18
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      Who is Mr. Putin? How many people, so many opinions. Moreover, any political force sees in it completely opposite features.

      multifaceted? ... or multifaceted? ... what
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 5 November 2013 17: 47
        +1
        rather the second, which is regrettable.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 5 November 2013 23: 27
        +2
        Quote: military
        multifaceted? ... or multifaceted ?.

        A little bit of everything...
        I think it's silly how to praise the GDP, and to blaspheme everything. He has achievements and not small ones, but he also has punctures.
        And so, who pays attention to what, not noticing the second. The thing, in the end, is everyone.
        I myself am for VVP, I voted once in 2012. And not because his fan, but because the liberal rag-tag shouted: "Anyone, but not Putin" ... smile
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 10 November 2013 10: 49
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          I myself am for VVP, I voted once in 2012. And not because his fan, but because the liberal rag-tag shouted: "Anyone, but not Putin" ...
          - I think then many people voted not "for" but "in spite of" .......
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  • Airman
    Airman 5 November 2013 10: 54
    22
    PARTY CHARACTERISTIC on ....

    ..the case of the CPSU and the EP betrayed ...
    ..morally unstable, seen in connections on the side ...
    ..interests of the people and society decides in the first place, personal interests and interests of the oligarchic elite decides out of turn ..
    ..with friends and workmates, maintains smooth, friendly relations, never gives up OWNS ..
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 5 November 2013 11: 33
      +1
      ".. the interests of the people and society are decided first of all"

      and rightly so, well-fed people will not go to rebel. and therefore it is possible to continue:

      "personal interests and interests of the oligarchic elite decides out of turn .."

      after all, an intelligent person is a guarantor. it is a pity that he is not on the side of the Russian people.
    2. military
      military 5 November 2013 15: 48
      0
      Quote: Povshnik
      ..the case of the CPSU and the EP betrayed ...

      hi to betray in time ... it is not to betray ... it is to anticipate ... wink laughing
      1. Airman
        Airman 5 November 2013 18: 06
        +1
        Quote: military
        Quote: Povshnik
        ..the case of the CPSU and the EP betrayed ...

        hi to betray in time ... it is not to betray ... it is to anticipate ... wink laughing

        Such foresight is called resourcefulness and causes distrust. He foresaw that the United Russia party managed and created a popular front.
        1. military
          military 6 November 2013 09: 55
          0
          Quote: Povshnik
          Such foresight is called resourcefulness and causes distrust. He foresaw that the United Russia party managed and created a popular front.

          "The Great Conjuncturist" ... nothing more ...
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 5 November 2013 10: 54
    10
    The Russian junior hockey team scored six goals for a team made up of players from the eastern provinces of Canada in the first match of the Challenge Cup. This is the official site of the Russian Hockey Federation (FHR).

    The meeting, held in Canadian Yarmouth, ended with the victory of the Russians with a score of 6: 2 (1: 2, 3: 0, 2: 0).

    And the Tretyak at the gate (grandson). History repeats itself.
  • Migari
    Migari 5 November 2013 10: 57
    -2
    And we don’t have to rack our brains on who Putin is, what he did for Russia, after Gorbachev and Yeltsin we know what Putin’s throat is for the West and their hatred for him, that’s the answer.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 5 November 2013 11: 50
      11
      Quote: Migari
      we know, and what a bone in the throat for the West is Putin, their hatred of him, that’s the answer.

      Maybe this is so ... or maybe we are in the theater and we are playing a well-posed play? (WTO, privatization, anti-people reforms of education, healthcare of the FIU, etc., to the guise of the whole play)
      1. Migari
        Migari 5 November 2013 13: 46
        -3
        Maybe this is so ...
        But what, the memory has disappeared, or in the 90s the gentleman went to kindergarten, and in the Youth Theater they watched the plays. It’s necessary to distinguish something like horseradish from a finger.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 15: 52
        +5
        Quote: Ustas
        Maybe this is so ... or maybe we are in the theater and we are playing a well-posed play? (WTO, privatization, anti-people reforms of education, healthcare of the FIU, etc., to the guise of the whole play)

        Well, then the "Matrix".
        Matrix has you ...
      3. carver
        carver 6 November 2013 23: 10
        +1
        Quote: Ustas
        Quote: Migari
        we know, and what a bone in the throat for the West is Putin, their hatred of him, that’s the answer.

        Maybe this is so ... or maybe we are in the theater and we are playing a well-posed play? (WTO, privatization, anti-people reforms of education, healthcare of the FIU, etc., to the guise of the whole play)


        Yes, everything is correct, but one thing ... to the formation of Putin in the power of the Russian Federation as a country, in fact, there wasn’t any more, and the will of the people to keep it within the existing borders, too. The disintegration of the country into separate territories was actually a settled matter. Now, as it were, the concerns are completely different. I agree with you about a possible game, but the game in this case is no longer of external forces for the collapse of Russia, but whose internal nomenclature, in principle, still needs a Western-style society with the same logic of thinking. But as they say it is at least our gawks and I hope they at least save the country until better times come, otherwise why save it from collapse.
  • Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 5 November 2013 10: 59
    0
    to find Putin a good manager-manager like Stolypin you look the situation will change
    in the meantime, money will be allocated to the agent of the committee of three hundred Chubais
  • major071
    major071 5 November 2013 10: 59
    +5
    Interestingly, and the author of the article is not by any chance the same one who constantly plays under this nickname with the toy "Union of Tribes"? And in the same place he talks about politics?
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 15
      0
      The same. Only a toy is not called that. A civilization race.
  • riding
    riding 5 November 2013 11: 00
    15
    Putin will show his true face in the near future, somewhere after the Sochi Olympics. It smells of great economic problems in the air, funding for all budget sectors is reduced, except, perhaps, military. In 2008, Putin, fatherly scolding the oligarchs, helped them survive. He survived himself, but if the number of poor in the country grows, it is not difficult to predict the events. They will remember all the failures of the authorities, but they are full of them. It is a pity, on the horizon you cannot see a powerful, patriotic, charismatic figure to hope for something.
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 5 November 2013 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: koni
      Putin will show his true face in the near future, somewhere after the Sochi Olympics. It smells of great economic problems in the air, funding for all budget sectors is reduced, except, perhaps, military.



      marvel, as the Ukrainians say, I also hope that after the Olympics the GDP will take up the solution of internal problems, appoint a new prime minister, replace some ministers, etc.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 5 November 2013 11: 39
        +5
        "Putin will show his true face in the near future, sometime after the Sochi Olympics."

        Well, let's wait, sir.
        but it seems to me a little funny, where did you get this date - "after the Olympics". the guarantor said? or who? or just want to believe? 13 years have passed and you are still waiting for something. and if nothing improves after the Olympiad? what will you wait? "after the 2018 football championship" will the guarantor show his true face?
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 6 November 2013 05: 31
        0
        Quote: koni
        "Putin will show his true face in the near future, somewhere after the Olympics in Sochi. The air smells of big economic problems, funding for all budgetary sectors is being cut, except, perhaps, the military ..."


        But all is well with food in Russia, there will be no starving people.

        Medvedev: the crop allows for food security.
        "The harvest in 2013 helps to ensure food security for Russia," Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday ... "
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20131011/969425306.html#ixzz2jpCYDsSo
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 5 November 2013 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: koni
      Putin will show his true face in the near future, somewhere after the Sochi Olympics.

      Your words, yes to God in ears.
      1. military
        military 5 November 2013 12: 44
        +3
        Quote: Ustas
        Quote: koni
        Putin will show his true face in the near future, somewhere after the Sochi Olympics.

        Your words, yes to God in ears.

        do not mention your Lord in vain ... winked
    3. military
      military 5 November 2013 12: 41
      +5
      Quote: koni
      Putin will reveal his true face soon

      so immediately the face? ... why would it be? ... well, thirteen years in various masks ...
    4. riding
      riding 5 November 2013 13: 44
      +3
      No one can guarantee that this person will like it.
  • Ivan Pavlov
    Ivan Pavlov 5 November 2013 11: 01
    +1
    and if Zu became president, would they steal as much?
    1. military
      military 5 November 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Pavlov
      and if Zu became president, would they steal as much?

      hardly... "as many" would not have mastered ...
  • Sewer
    Sewer 5 November 2013 11: 01
    +8
    There is no order inside the country! That's all you need to know! And most importantly: his power is not even going to bring!
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 5 November 2013 20: 50
      +2
      It seems to me that the authorities depict the restoration of order in the country!
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 10 November 2013 10: 55
        0
        well, Duc laughing ----- "imitation must be imitated" laughing
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 5 November 2013 11: 04
    +5
    On the examples of South Korea or Singapore, there, after all, before the "Economic Miracle", the devil was going on that, everywhere there are oligarchs, like we have parties of crooks and thieves, castrated manual opposition, it's just that you just need to survive this period, sooner or later everything will work out, but maybe there may be another scenario, the people will get tired of it and start dancing again like in 1917, at first the government will try to "throw the arrow" on the visitors and Caucasians and perhaps at first it will help when the visitors and Caucasians are cut out the people will understand that they are not the only ones to blame and will begin to cut those in power, who are likely to run off the ship like rats and "everyone's beloved" Putin will run in the forefront, and there others will catch up (if they have time), and those who do not have time I do not envy, at least the fate of Gaddafi with the cutting off of heads and others And why is the author so sure of the "inviolability" and "inviolability" of the regime? Yes, he is holding on to his word of honor and a gas pipe, the income from which can for the time being flood the fire, but the money and dry up and burn.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 5 November 2013 17: 53
      +2
      so, in this case, the stabilization fund is being formed and the money will be dumped and grandmas are already there.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 6 November 2013 05: 35
        0
        So in this case, the reform in the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the procurement of armored vehicles.
        And there the army will do, as in 1993.
  • Soldier
    Soldier 5 November 2013 11: 08
    18
    You can praise as much as you like, Uncle Vova, but I personally, while free, scum Serdyukov and I do not trust him.
    1. military
      military 5 November 2013 12: 51
      12
      Quote: Armeec
      You can praise as much as you like, Uncle Vova, but I personally, while free, scum Serdyukov and I do not trust him.

      there is only one piquant circumstance ... fuck HIM for all the "distrustful" ... repeat
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 November 2013 11: 10
    +5
    title does not match content. the author is more worried and stings about the capture of the artel. maybe he lost a lot there, maybe something else ... but in one thing he’s right, wherever the Moscow managers come, there’s a complete w0pa
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 18
      +5
      Perhaps I have described schemes of raider captures in too much detail. But it seemed to me that this would better illustrate the policy of indulging raiding, which is carried out by no means without the knowledge of GDP. And such Artels and Dalavia are a legion.

      maybe lost a lot there, maybe something else


      During the bankruptcy of Dalavia, three employees of this airline committed suicide.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 5 November 2013 11: 26
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        During the bankruptcy of Dalavia, three employees of this airline committed suicide

        sympathize (sincerely)
        Quote: alicante11
        , which is carried out by no means without the knowledge of GDP.

        Naturally, he should know about SUCH finances ... but who is at the end of the chain is a question. if in the end all this turns out to be one in the treasury, and if in the ownership of a group of Kremlin individuals (faces), the other.
        and one conclusion is obvious - there is concern for the country, but no people request
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 11: 32
          0
          I would also like to know who is behind NK-Alliance. Nobody heard anything about her 10 years ago. And now wherever you spit, you will find yourself in the "Alliance".
        2. military
          military 5 November 2013 13: 10
          +2
          Quote: andrei332809
          Naturally, he should know about SUCH finances ... but who is at the end of the chain is a question

          there is always someone who "knows" ...
          Quote: andrei332809
          ... if in the end all this is in the treasury, one thing, and if in the ownership of a group of Kremlin individuals (faces), the other.

          there will be no "other" ... not for that fought ...
          Quote: andrei332809
          ... but one conclusion is obvious - there is concern for the country, but no people

          not about the country, but about the state ... have you forgotten the wording? ... "The state is me!" ... there is no people in it ...
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 5 November 2013 15: 33
            +2
            Quote: military
            there will be no "other" ... not for that fought ..

            and that’s strange, it is no longer surprising. Are you used to?
            1. military
              military 5 November 2013 16: 02
              +3
              Quote: andrei332809
              and that’s strange, it is no longer surprising. Are you used to?

              used to ... yes so accustomed that any "initiative" from the guarantor today is perceived as another profanation, and only causes heartburn ...
              tell me who your friend is and i will tell you who you are ...
              1. andrei332809
                andrei332809 5 November 2013 16: 40
                +1
                Quote: military
                tell me who your friend is and i will tell you who you are.

                there are many acquaintances, few friends (true) can be counted on the fingers. but friends ...
                1. military
                  military 5 November 2013 17: 48
                  +1
                  this
                  Quote: military
                  tell me who your friend is and i will tell you who you are.
                  only aphorism ...
                  I’m calm for you ... as, however, for myself ... hi
      2. Bigriver
        Bigriver 5 November 2013 12: 00
        +3
        Quote: alicante11
        ... I have described schemes of raider captures in too much detail. But it seemed to me that this would better illustrate the policy of indulging raiding, which is carried out Well, not without the knowledge of GDP. And such Artels and Dalavia are a legion.

        And what reason do you have to think so?
        Are you proceeding from the idea "Putin is a hired manager of an oligarchy who totally controls the entire economic life in the country"? smile
        This is idealism. Even Stalin did not control the country like that.
        Well, an irrational touch. For a hired manager, GDP is too cruel, whole, charismatic, and therefore dangerous. The farther, the more.
        By the way, you have bypassed the "white tape" topic. And she works against your idea.
        In the story about the leading and decisive role of BAB in gaining the presidential powers, the ears of BAB are visible, who until his death wanted to be a great ruler.
        The article, IMHO, its conclusions, conclusions are not drawn to our wide and ambiguous reality.
        No rating.
        Greetings from Khabarovsk hi
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 13: 22
          +1
          And what reason do you have to think so?


          Because Isaev personally fought for the ASA and Dalavia. And his position made it possible to go directly to GDP. By the way, it is not a fact that he left the governorship not for Lopatyuk’s flight with shares.

          Well, an irrational touch. For a hired manager, GDP is too cruel, whole, charismatic, and therefore dangerous.


          And the other would not have done it. I listed the reasons for the BAB.

          By the way, you have bypassed the "white tape" topic. And she works against your idea.


          In what? For example, I am more and more convinced that all these "Swamp Passions" are decrees.

          In the story about the leading and decisive role of BAB in gaining the presidential powers, the ears of BAB are visible, who until his death wanted to be a great ruler.


          He did not hold a candle. But I do not see another logical option. Therefore I believe.

          Greetings from Khabarovsk


          Thank you countryman :).
  • their
    their 5 November 2013 11: 14
    +9
    Putin is an ambiguous personality, in general, he will do more damage to Russia than the benefits of a distance IMHO. It is clear that people began to live well, the level has increased significantly, and thanks to this level, Kazakhstan has tightened. But all this is aimed only at increasing GDP and paying the West for the dollar. Putin made a lot of mistakes and harm to the economy with the WTO, with migrant workers, with education, with the Ministry of Defense (Serdyukov), put Medvedev in his place, who was fooled by Libya and many other obviously failed concessions to please the West.

    Worse than Putin is only the outspoken enemy of Yeltsin and the current Russian opposition
  • zvereok
    zvereok 5 November 2013 11: 19
    11
    "In 96, Zyuganov actually won the election, and what, did he become president?"

    Last winter I had a conversation with 2 KPRF agitators on this topic. They denied victory in every possible way, to the point of hysterical screeching and almost shouted that there was "almost a victory", but not complete.

    "kicking in Yugoslavia with the capture of the airfield by paratroopers,"

    Pure water initiative. At the end of the events, the authorities did not immediately decide whether to imprison or reward the patriots.

    "The same crisis of 98, which" put "Yeltsin in his place, showing that you cannot go against the owners."

    Yeah, two to three months before the crisis, all foreign investors transferred investments into foreign currency at the current exchange rate of 6p, and then they basically robbed the natives ... the population ... What a good Yeltsin))) ...

    "I see the situation in this light. Russia is now a besieged fortress that protects the goods stolen from the people by the oligarchs."

    That is why for all 20 years, only one year, the year Putin came to Russia, there was no capital outflow?

    "At the same time, the problems of Cyprus and the BAB robbed to the skin showed our oligarchs that without sufficient strength behind their backs,"

    The problem of Cyprus personally showed me what I had suspected for a long time, and the dim-witted Mr. Medvedev voiced (but this was quickly hushed up) - Gos. Companies finance their finances in offshore companies. I believe the foam settles on the Western accounts of very specific personalities.

    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 25
      +1
      Last winter I had a conversation with 2 KPRF agitators on this topic. They denied victory in every possible way, to the point of hysterical screeching and almost shouted that there was "almost a victory", but not complete.


      You can believe, you can not believe. But this is a fairly common opinion. What was really we will never know.

      Pure water initiative. At the end of the events, the authorities did not immediately decide whether to imprison or reward the patriots.


      Primakov’s reversal over the Atlantic is also amateur :)?

      Yeah, two to three months before the crisis, all foreign investors transferred investments into foreign currency at the current exchange rate of 6p, and then they basically robbed the natives ... the population ... What a good Yeltsin))) ...


      Naturally, those close to foreign owners were insured. And this has not become a secret for the "Family" either. And ogrebli - of course, "aborigines".

      That is why for all 20 years, only one year, the year Putin came to Russia, there was no capital outflow?


      What is capital flight? That's right - money going offshore. Capital inflow - return of money from offshore companies. During the reign of the GDP, real foreign investment and real export of capital by foreigners came to naught.

      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?


      My forecast is never. Although I would like to make a mistake.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 5 November 2013 11: 28
        +2
        "Primakov's reversal over the Atlantic is also an amateur activity :)?"

        I'm talking about the cast march. But Primakov’s turn, not the fact that it’s not his personal decision, Primakov is not our worst minister.

        PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
        1. their
          their 5 November 2013 11: 48
          +7
          When Putin’s rating drops permanently, they will put Serdyukov imho
          1. military
            military 5 November 2013 13: 24
            +5
            Quote: sus
            When Putin’s rating drops permanently, they will put Serdyukov imho

            and then Putin from the blue TV screen with pathos will declare "A thief should be in prison!", right? ... laughing
            killed ... the pilot's fallen rating and without landing an associate will be "raised" ... not for the first time ...
            1. stroporez
              stroporez 10 November 2013 11: 02
              0
              Quote: military
              Fallen pilot's rating and without landing an associate will be "raised" ... not for the first time ...
              perhaps for this they are holding a fraction (Chubais and Serdyuk) --- the rating will collapse, Vovan will shoot a fraction, and the rating will "rise" .......
        2. riding
          riding 5 November 2013 13: 49
          +2
          Primakov’s reversal played a major role in his resignation. Primakov’s ratings went wild, because people were tired of seeing a creeping power, and for the first time after many years of excellent Chernomyrdin’s premiership, the economy began to reduce pension debts and salaries.
        3. olviko
          olviko 5 November 2013 14: 46
          +4
          "The manifestations of this struggle were, for example, kicking in Yugoslavia with the capture of the airfield by paratroopers."
          Interesting about the march of the Russian paratroopers on Pristina in 1999.
          US generals threatened Russian paratroopers for breaking through and seizing the Pristina airport Slatina under the noses of NATO troops. The commander of NATO forces in Europe Wesley Clark (Wesley Cann Clark), born, incidentally, in Chicago, ordered the British general Michael Jackson to destroy the Russian landing. Nobody knows what it would be like, but the British general decided to check the Russians for lice and, with his back to the Russian checkpoint and facing the tank column, began to show with gestures that he needed to move forward, shouting “Tanks can go”, with his back he pressed against the Russian checkpoint. Then one of the platoon commanders, Senior Lieutenant Nikolai Yatsykov, told him: “If you say a word again now, you’ll lie here.” The one who decided to check the Russians for lice, he himself was in wet lace trousers. Subsequently, they say, Clark told Jackson that the Russians were ahead of you, take a gun and shoot yourself. Since then, in the West, they realized that if the Russians had rested, the spring was compressed to the limit, and then the move would only be in the opposite direction. Russian will not be able to compress anymore.
          It is possible that this clash with the Russian character to some extent influenced in the future the development of events in Syria, because nothing just happens.
  • VladimS
    VladimS 5 November 2013 11: 21
    0
    Started for health, finished - for peace!
    Everything is far from clear.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 37
      +2
      It just so happens, as he began and began, as he continues, so he continued ...
  • 222222
    222222 5 November 2013 11: 23
    +1
    "Who is Mr. Putin"
    ... from an interview with BAB ... "Remember, when he became president, he said, speaking in front of the FSB officers:" I have completed your task, I have come to power " "- MG). Maybe I'm naive, but I still don't think that this is a planned operation. I just think that when Putin got power, he asked himself a lot of questions and got these answers, which resulted in such actions ... "(http://slon.ru/russia/intervyu_berezy-923157.xhtml
    .. to fans digging around- What is the connection in the Shebarshin triangle- Putin-Patrushev ..?
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 5 November 2013 11: 26
    +5
    It is difficult to draw conclusions in the current chaos. As A. Fursov likes to say: "we are at the point of bifurcation", i.e. in a place from which everything can move in any direction.
    As for the personality of V. Putin, he already left a noticeable mark in history, but the expectations associated with him are no longer justified.
    I'm worried about something else, how will the change of leader take place?
    Stalin was a genius, but could not ensure the continuity, from which the USSR, in consequence, collapsed.
    1. their
      their 5 November 2013 11: 38
      +4
      There is nothing ingenious in Stalin, he also made mistakes (gave Israel Jews, gave Kazakhstan the original Russian lands in 1932). Stalin was just an absolutely sovereign politician and tried to work for the good of the USSR, which he did well on all fronts.
      1. alicante11
        5 November 2013 12: 04
        +1
        Errors of geniuses are also brilliant :).
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: sus
        There is nothing ingenious in Stalin, he also made mistakes (gave Israel Jews, gave Kazakhstan the original Russian lands in 1932). Stalin was just an absolutely sovereign politician and tried to work for the good of the USSR, which he did well on all fronts.

        The one who does nothing is not mistaken. What you pass off as Stalin’s mistakes and how you evaluate his personality, this is nothing more than your subjective opinion. I prefer historicity over hysteria. hi
    2. alicante11
      5 November 2013 11: 40
      +1
      I can assume that there will be no problems. Winning elections using an administrative resource is much easier than transferring power from the Secretary General to the heir.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 12: 32
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        I can assume that there will be no problems. Winning elections using an administrative resource is much easier than transferring power from the Secretary General to the heir.

        This is the greatest problem, like the chimera, which does not ensure any continuity, or, what is not better, ensures the continuity of the course towards Russia as a colony.
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 13: 23
          +1
          This is - yes, that’s what I’m talking about.
    3. Orik
      Orik 5 November 2013 13: 09
      +2
      Unfortunately, ensuring continuity is also a purely temporary indicator. If Stalin could lead the country from 1939 to 1979, then I think I have achieved a sustainable result. To consolidate, a change of two generations is needed, one generation is 20-25 years old, it is not in vain that God drove the Jew for 40 years in the desert, so that those who no longer remember the Egyptian captivity matured.
    4. military
      military 5 November 2013 13: 30
      +3
      Quote: Peaceful military
      As for the personality of V. Putin, then, he has already left a noticeable mark in history ...

      yeah ... he inherited pretty ...
      Quote: Peaceful military
      ... how will the change of leader take place? Stalin was a genius, but could not ensure continuity, from which the USSR subsequently fell apart.

      it is likely that only natural ... "in the 97th year of life ... after a serious and prolonged illness" ... therefore, the change of leader will not be relevant for everyone ... hi
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 5 November 2013 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: military
        Quote: Peaceful military
        ... how will the change of leader take place? Stalin was a genius, but could not ensure continuity, from which the USSR subsequently fell apart.

        it is likely that only natural ... "at the 97th year of life ... after a serious and prolonged illness" ... therefore, the change of leader will not be relevant for everyone ... hi


        There is a possibility that immortality will be invented by that time, the structures affiliated to PZhiV promised in the foreseeable future before the elections. In my opinion it was called "Project Immortality". In 15, like an avatar should have been invented ... Well, look at Dimych, why not an avatar?

        PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
        1. military
          military 5 November 2013 16: 19
          +1
          Quote: zvereok
          There is a possibility that immortality will be invented by that time, the structures affiliated to PZhiV promised in the foreseeable future before the elections. In my opinion it was called "Project Immortality".

          "Koschey the Immortal" ... stage - preliminary project ... wink
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 19: 40
        0
        Quote: military
        Quote: Peaceful military
        As for the personality of V. Putin, then, he has already left a noticeable mark in history ...

        yeah ... he inherited pretty ...
        Quote: Peaceful military
        ... how will the change of leader take place? Stalin was a genius, but could not ensure continuity, from which the USSR subsequently fell apart.

        it is likely that only natural ... "in the 97th year of life ... after a serious and prolonged illness" ... therefore, the change of leader will not be relevant for everyone ... hi

        God forbid, Uef! hi
    5. SPACE
      SPACE 5 November 2013 13: 32
      +1
      Quote: Peaceful military
      I'm worried about something else, how will the change of leader take place?

      This is the key question, the future elections will be decisive. And before the elections, interesting things will begin to happen, perhaps the masks will be dropped. I assume Putin was the last "visible" President of Russia. Then there will be either candidates, henchmen (a new, own, completely independent from the West, State System or forces created or formed by Putin to ensure control over the transition of the highest elected power and the course of the country). And the main thing here is not the candidate at all, but the actual performance of the system.
      Z.Y. Corruption will not be able to explain all those events that take place in power, like muddy water, this is just a sign of the struggle for power, some two forces. Therefore, the question of CHOICE is the question of who is who? who is for the good? and who whom? The question of the future of Russia, maybe the world.
  • zvereok
    zvereok 5 November 2013 11: 30
    +3
    Quote: Peaceful military
    I'm worried about something else, how will the change of leader take place?


    I totally agree.

    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 5 November 2013 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: zvereok
      Quote: Peaceful military
      I'm worried about something else, how will the change of leader take place?


      I totally agree.

      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

      NEVER! angry sad
  • Vaskes
    Vaskes 5 November 2013 11: 33
    0
    Mr. Putin is the Joker, you don’t know what to expect from this person. belay
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 5 November 2013 12: 55
      +5
      Quote: Vaskes
      Mr. Putin is the Joker, you don’t know what to expect from this person.

      By and large, it is predictable. A lot of reverence towards the people, little work.
      1. military
        military 5 November 2013 13: 35
        +4
        Quote: Ustas
        By and large, it is predictable. A lot of reverence towards the people, little work.

        "new Rome" ... many circuses ... little bread ...
    2. military
      military 5 November 2013 13: 33
      0
      Quote: Vaskes
      Mr. Putin is the Joker

      this is an inevitable "buy-in" ... (sometimes it depends on who is in the distribution) ... wink
    3. olviko
      olviko 5 November 2013 16: 08
      0
      An anecdote invented even before Russia's "chemical" proposal:
      "Cameron:
      - Volodya, what do you say if Barak Huseynovich and I are craving for Syria? ..
      Putin:
      - nothing
      Cameron (joyfully):
      - how, absolutely nothing?
      Putin:
      - Nope. Let the surprise be. "
      Well, what a surprise it turned out.
  • Evil rabbit
    Evil rabbit 5 November 2013 11: 34
    +2
    Quote: andrei332809
    title does not match content. the author is more worried and stings about the capture of the artel. maybe he lost a lot there, maybe something else ... but in one thing he’s right, wherever the Moscow managers come, there’s a complete w0pa

    I allow myself to note that Moscow managers come to the place of locals, who, using the support of local authorities, behaved just like robbers. And after the Moscow looters from St. Petersburg come ...
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 12: 05
      0
      It is not true. I gave examples.
  • Virtuous
    Virtuous 5 November 2013 11: 39
    +1
    I would say that the first and third part of the article are interesting. What is in the middle is completely off topic. If we are writing about GDP, then let's talk about it.
    But the theory is interesting.
    And I'm also interested. In general, is there a limit to the desires of the oligarch. When exactly does he have enough? Does anyone have a familiar oligarch? Ask, eh ...
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 12: 43
      +3
      I don’t have any familiar oligarchs, but given the appetites of Western oligarchs, their stomach is bottomless.
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 5 November 2013 13: 07
      +1
      - To get food is the goal.
      - To create conditions that do not care about food is a dream.
      “To have so much food that you cannot gobble up, but not share, is a disease of the mind.”
      But no one mentally admits this.
    3. zvereok
      zvereok 5 November 2013 14: 05
      +1
      A series of election campaigns held under the slogan "I am rich, I have everything, I will not steal" They showed that this is not true. Perhaps with rare exceptions - who is Abramovich "the Chief of Chukotka", quite often, is remembered in Chukotka with good words.

      Each oligarch wears a Putin wand in a satchel.

      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 15: 59
        +4
        Quote: zvereok
        PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

        "... Carthage must be destroyed ..." wassat
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 6 November 2013 05: 55
          +1
          Quote: zvereok
          "PS: All this is good, but when will Serdyukov be jailed?"


          "This will happen when one stick and nine holes destroy an entire army,
          when the king will lay his head, and you will remain in the hat ...
          and when your best friend is served for dinner ... ".
  • Ratibor
    Ratibor 5 November 2013 11: 40
    -1
    Definitely better
  • Budilnik
    Budilnik 5 November 2013 11: 41
    +7
    I agree with the author's analytics, I think it is quite objective, albeit very brief. I have long been when only the GDP changed EBN thought how it could be. After such an "aggressor" came such a "patriot". And something is buried here. Does VVP still turn a blind eye to the arbitrariness of the Aligarchs for their help in supporting the Pacific Fleet in the early 2000s, but how long can this continue. They reimbursed their costs many times over with the wealth of the people. When will they get drunk? Probably when people close their mouths with lead?
  • runway
    runway 5 November 2013 11: 43
    10
    For me, this issue was resolved in the first year of his reign. Time and facts only confirm the initial conclusions. Say he is a bone in the throat of the West? According to a very famous magazine Forbes he is called the most influential politician in the world. How is it that, after all, his grabbing arms reach out to everything, everything burns with a clear flame .... (I just do not need to prove that all the so-called reforms carried out in the country are carried out without his knowledge). Did his determination help postpone the bombing of Syria? Not such simpletons gathered in NATO, but rather pragmatic people who felt that everything was going so well in Syria .... As they say - the dear ones scold - they just amuse themselves ... It's time, it’s time to award him the most important BOURGE JOURNEY. Or maybe he already has this order? - in this department they reward secretly. Deserved.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 5 November 2013 12: 05
      +7
      "It's time, it's high time to award him with the most important BOURGEOIN ORDER. Or maybe he already has this order? - in this department they are awarded on the sly. Deserved."

      many have received their sight. I have been reading Topvar for a long time, although I recently registered, and over the last year there have been a majority of those who have seen their sight. although earlier there was a dominance of fans of the moon-faced. the rest of them are repeating like a mantra - "after the Olympics" the guarantor will restore order in the Caucasus, put an end to corruption, solve the problem with migrants, and raise the economy. and so on - substitute "after the Olympics" the solution to any problem, up to your grandmother's osteochondrosis.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 5 November 2013 13: 00
        +5
        Quote: Starfish
        many have seen. I’ve been reading Topwar for a long time, although I’ve registered recently, and over the past year, there have become a majority of those who have seen the light. although before there was a dominance of fans of the moon-faced. their remnants repeat like a mantra

        He had carte blanche for a whole year. He profiled him.
        Therefore I join the question zvereok:
        When will they put Serdyukov? (although this is not the most important question from the heap of questions that have accumulated to him)
  • Asgard
    Asgard 5 November 2013 11: 45
    26
    A good article if you read over Putin’s grave ....
    It will happen soon.So there will be a chance.

    Hu is Putin ?! Actual question to this day)))
    This man, when he came to the presidency, pushed through the ratification of START and cut Satan and blew up the "Well done" mine and cut the Railway Complex ...
    Before him there were 7 oligarchs - with him three hundred ..."GunVor" .... and the head of the State Corporation "ROSNEFT" is a foreign citizen DADLI)))
    He also signed the FZ-99 where he allowed NATO troops located on our territory with weapons, without customs inspection and with family members)))
    Under Putin, in Russia there was a problem with guest workers .... and they began to kill Russian knives ..
    Over the past twenty years, in Russia a population decline of -35 million people ...
    Destroyed Army - AS AN INTEGRAL STRUCTURE ...
    Sibneft was bought from Abramovich for $ 13 billion, he stole it from Russian citizens .....
    London court with Berezovsky - it showed))))
    In 2008, Abramovich was helped one of the first, at our expense with you ......
    Wait Putin sells "Alrosa" a successful company - so to speak "label" to the kingdom)))))
    He also divorced his wife and cohabits hell knows with whom, the youth happily calls him Kobaev)))
    Putin is fighting corruption, utility tariffs and cockroaches (he defeated cockroaches)))))) disappeared ....
    With him, the Duma stopped thinking and talking (no place for discussion)) laws are passed in two days with 98% support from deputies)))
    Laws about fines and TIGHTENING punishment, the second category is to prohibit)))
    HAS LOST THE COUNTRY'S SOVEREIGNTY - joined the WTO. Signed the US Federal Reserve Reserve Act. Moreover, the countries in that law are listed not alphabetically, but in the Latin alphabet .... The stupid translation was signed by the "WISE" patriot of his country Vova)))))

    You can list endlessly. I CAN)))) But you tell me, the article is so long and still THIS)))
    I can’t explain Putin’s behavior (as well as the author of the article))

    Well, if only they are not controlled by "reptilians"))))) then THIS explains everything ...
    1. their
      their 5 November 2013 12: 07
      +2
      And most importantly, this is not the Putin that was before 2008, just look at the manners and looks that have changed. Look at the Munich speech, pay attention to the voice, manners, appearance and compare with today's. Today it is a different person, a stooge of the West.

      Forgot to mention landing Kvachkova and Khabarov
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 5 November 2013 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: sus
        And most importantly, this is not the Putin that was before 2008, just look at the manners and looks that have changed. Look at the Munich speech, pay attention to the voice, manners, appearance and compare with today's. Today it is a different person, a stooge of the West.

        I already wrote about the theater and the well-posed play.
        Today it's a different person

        This can be explained by honed acting skills.
      2. military
        military 5 November 2013 13: 45
        +3
        Quote: sus
        And most importantly, this is not the Putin that was before 2008, just look at the manners and looks that have changed. Look at the Munich speech, pay attention to the voice, manners, appearance and compare with today's. Today it is a different person, a stooge of the West.

        in any way, did they steal the "Green" of our foreigners? ... laughing
    2. os9165
      os9165 5 November 2013 18: 57
      +3
      We manage and he is not a very poor person. He is in the system. I want to live, Gaddafi’s example does not want to repeat. Everything is explainable.
    3. sleepy
      sleepy 6 November 2013 06: 00
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      "Well, if only they are not controlled by" reptilians ")))))
      then THIS explains everything ..... ".


      Obama seems to have already been controlled by reptilians.
      "On March 7, 2012, the AIPAC conference was held in Washington -
      US-Israeli Committee on Public Relations.
      US President Barack Obama spoke at it. On a piece of recording
      from the conference, the author of this video spotted a rather unusual person. "
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSXnGMzhCe8
  • morpogr
    morpogr 5 November 2013 11: 52
    0
    The analysis of Putin’s actions is interesting but one-sided and incomplete. Let’s see in 2016-2017 how and who will be transferred to successors or Putin will go for the 4th term. By this time, teams will probably be finally formed to enter the power struggle.
  • Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 5 November 2013 12: 05
    +1
    What is the difference between the people of Russia and the people of Ukraine? As noted above, there is a herd of sheep in Russia. Where they drove, there in a herd and went. We generally have "Biomass". Where the pot was tilted, they flowed there. All this clearly proves that nothing depends on the people and that all those who eat in power have it to the extent of their depravity.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 5 November 2013 12: 11
      +3
      "What is the difference between the people of Russia and the people of Ukraine? As noted above, there is a herd of sheep in Russia."

      You put a minus. not a ram and I don’t think of other rams. just who has not figured it out yet, but that’s no reason to call him a ram.
    2. olviko
      olviko 5 November 2013 16: 46
      +1
      Somehow too gloomy, in my opinion Yuri is simply not your day today. Russia and Russians are actually a unique phenomenon. In which store, in which country will you still hear such a monologue:
      The saleswoman yells to the cashier: "Zina, beat this customer's liver and beat his eggs for jelly." Customers, writhing with laughter, crawl out of the store on all fours.
      Only Russians have 3 exotic animals: a Yeshkin cat, a plaque, a fly, and a louse.
      All people fasten their seat belts with the thought: "Suddenly an accident!" .. And only Russians with the thought: "Suddenly cops!" .. "
      I think you yourself can recall such examples. A people with such a sense of humor cannot be biomass and never has been, it’s just that everything follows the thumb path: they pretend that we are paid, and we pretend that we work - there was such a catch phrase.
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 5 November 2013 12: 07
    +5
    Most likely, Putin has the following sequence in the confrontation with the West, and the fact of this confrontation is undeniable: to achieve an advantage in the foreign political direction with a reserve, and to redirect all forces and resources to the country's internal affairs. It will take much more effort to resolve domestic problems. The entire state system is to be dismantled here, and the resistance will be incredible. Here we need a project "1937" directed against the anti-popular internal system and the "fifth column". And the beginning of everything, the abolition of the current constitution drawn up in the State Department and the adoption of a new Great Power that meets all the requirements for the revival of the Great Power.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 13: 26
      +1
      Unfortunately, if you are right, then the GDP has mixed up the sequence of actions. First inside, and then outside. On this Niki # 2 got burned, but Stalin, having done the opposite, achieved success.
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 5 November 2013 15: 11
      +2
      Quote: GalinaNP
      Most likely, Putin has the following sequence in the confrontation with the West, and the fact of this confrontation is undeniable

      If this is true, then this is war! Economic, political, ideological, informational ... But in war, as in war ... Everything for the front, everything for victory. And the soldier in the trench in 41 near Moscow, did not ache and was not indignant that he hadn’t eat anything, hadn’t washed for a long time ... and the worker at the machine did not complain of fatigue ... But now the enemy is treacherous ... and the soldiers grumble ... blindness or sabotage ...? The eternal Shakespearean question to be or not to be? But the choice is simple as the sides of the coin, as good and evil ... Everyone has the freedom of choice and this choice will fall on their conscience ...
  • mountain
    mountain 5 November 2013 12: 09
    +2
    Somehow everything is one-sided. It seemed to me alone that the author is PUSHING us to something?
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 5 November 2013 12: 13
      -1
      "Somehow everything is one-sided. It seemed to me alone that the author was pushing us to something?"

      article in the section "Opinions". the author sees it that way. you can agree or not.
      1. mountain
        mountain 5 November 2013 13: 50
        0
        I see not blind, but answer the question?
    2. alicante11
      5 November 2013 13: 34
      +5
      I do not push. I just clarify. If anyone agrees. Because he thought about it for ten years. I have never voted for GDP, but not because I did not trust him, but because I was afraid to make a mistake. And he was right. True, it’s bad that I did not trust my feelings. As a result, the place to continue the career that I started after graduating from the institute, I hit into a business that led honestly. I will not say that I have not acquired anything. But in the long run - lost. So, this solution turned out to be a dead end. As a result, after 8 years, he returned even one step lower than he had previously achieved. If someone escapes my mistakes by understanding the political background of our system, which we have to live with for a long time, then I wrote the article not in vain.
      1. mountain
        mountain 5 November 2013 14: 02
        +2
        Alicante, a robust article, I also don’t quite understand what is happening and what the GDP is. And in business, since 1987 I have fallen and risen and again fell, and that just wasn’t. But I understood you correctly, do I have to do something about this? Push We are all, see everything, but what to do?
        1. alicante11
          5 November 2013 14: 29
          0
          What to do. I mean, how can we get out of the situation theoretically or what to do with the power of the oligarchs?
          If the first, then there will be too many bukof. This was my first article here, although I have been reading the site for a long time. This question was the most burning for me. If there are good reviews, you can try to write about this and other points. And if the second, then you won’t do anything. I wrote about this in an article. Power is resistant to internal shocks. It is necessary to adapt to the current situation. In the end, they wanted capitalism - they got capitalism. Now cry late gentlemen, comrades.
          1. military
            military 5 November 2013 17: 31
            0
            Quote: alicante11
            In the end, they wanted capitalism - they got capitalism.

            the people for the government - it was ... for the current - in the square ... but it was not customary to ask what it wants or does not want ... it was a veal thing - fuck you and stop ... so this is not we wanted something or didn't want ... it just so happened that a tough guy jumped out of the snuffbox, blew his horn and took us "a special way of Russia" ... the smart guy turned out to be, stubborn ... so we walk, jingling bells ... we pinch the roadside grass ...
            1. alicante11
              6 November 2013 10: 09
              0
              Well, you see. I asked my father-in-law what he did in the 91 and 93 years during the well-known events. Given that he lived in the city of Dolgoprudny, that is, practically in Moscow, one could expect that he would at least tell something. BUT his story was rather monotonous. HAVE WORKED! That is, while the country was withdrawn from under his nose, he (and my parents) worked. Instead of defending their homeland and themselves. Because everything was fine. We are heading towards a bright capitalistic future. The fact that it is not at all bright is still not everyone understood. However, now it’s too late.
          2. mountain
            mountain 5 November 2013 17: 49
            +1
            Frankly, it wasn’t very kamelfo during the USSR. And at that time there was an elite if you didn’t forget, but it wasn’t so visible and the flogging was done for show. I could tell a lot or recall about that still system. Everything in Russia is quickly forgotten.
            And I advise you to write in any case, in any case.
            Why asked what to do? And why did you remember about the USSR? He suffered from the school bench for his thoughts in the army, and then at work. And I know that the people are too patient.
            I thought something cardinal say.
            I look forward to new articles, good luck in the new field.
            1. alicante11
              6 November 2013 10: 04
              0
              I thought something cardinal say.


              Dramatically I thought in 18-25 years, when there was nothing to lose. And now, when there are three back gnaws on the neck, it’s no longer pulling a revolution :). Yes, and indeed from below you can’t do anything. Objectively, they have more trunks.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 5 November 2013 12: 13
    0
    Quote: Ivan Pavlov
    and if Zu became president, would they steal as much?

    One can only guess. To speak beautifully, being in opposition, is not to "roll bags". In power, people are reborn into members of the "system" that governs them.
  • MG42
    MG42 5 November 2013 12: 19
    +5
    Capital rules the world. Politicians in countries with market economies are likely to serve capital.
    Why did I write this?
    Let us recall the high-profile case of how American and European gays boycotted Stolichnaya vodka and even poured it on the sidewalks of New York in connection with the persecution of gays in Russia. The gay coordinators promised to "talk" with the owners of the "metropolitan" brand ..

    28 Oct 2013
    Vladimir Putin and Thomas Bach, head of the International Olympic Committee, met in Adler. The President of the Russian Federation assured the head of the IOC that all the guests of the Olympics will be comfortable in Sochi - regardless of sexual orientation

    1. Corsair
      Corsair 5 November 2013 12: 41
      0
      Quote: MG42
      28 Oct 2013
      Vladimir Putin and Thomas Bach, head of the International Olympic Committee, met in Adler. The President of the Russian Federation assured the head of the IOC that all guests of the Olympics will be comfortable in Sochi - regardless of their sexual orientation

      Politics... request Sometimes you have to throw beads in front of pigs ...
      Russia does not need scandals around buggers ahead of the Olympics.
      This statement clears the question, but how long, time will tell ...
      1. MG42
        MG42 5 November 2013 12: 55
        +7
        Quote: Corsair
        Politics...

        As grandfather Lenin wrote, "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics."
        Complete Works Volume 42 V. I. LENIN
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 5 November 2013 13: 02
          0
          Quote: MG42
          As grandfather Lenin wrote, "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics."
          Complete Works Volume 42 V. I. LENIN

          Here you have just added to my comment.

          After all, the Olympics are not only a "triumph of sports", but also a business project with huge capital investments.
          And THIS risk because of homosexuals and others, we can not ...
          1. MG42
            MG42 5 November 2013 13: 14
            +4
            Quote: Corsair
            Here you have just added to my comment.

            Not me, but Lenin added, I just quoted.
            Quote: Corsair
            The Olympics are not only a "triumph of sport", but also a business project with huge capital investments

            More than 2014 trillion rubles were spent on preparations for the Sochi Winter Olympic Games in 1,1. Almost 75% of projected amount of one and a half trillion rubles. Sochi alone spent about 500 billion rubles. 200 billion rubles were spent on the construction of Olympic facilities. The remaining costs are investor money.

            http://www.mr7.ru/articles/76917/
            Quote: Corsair
            And THIS risk because of homosexuals and others, we can not.

            Yes, of course, Abramovich’s yachts under the English flag should also not be risked, for example, under any trends in Russian politics ..
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 6 November 2013 08: 56
              0
              Quote: MG42
              Yes, of course, Abramovich’s yachts under the English flag should also not be risked, for example, under any trends in Russian politics ..

              "Yachts of Abramovich" is another "song". And now let's prepare the Olympics with high quality and hold it at the level ...
              1. MG42
                MG42 6 November 2013 18: 22
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                "Yachts of Abramovich" is another "song"

                Do not copy the forum member svp67 = stick quotes on the topic without .. winked
                Quote: Corsair
                Now let's prepare the Olympics in a quality manner

                What do I have to do with it? I don’t understand, cook and pass .. and meet homosexuals like VIPs ..
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 5 November 2013 12: 20
    0
    Quote: Baron Wrangell
    interesting analytics! whatever you say Putin is Putin!
    But the article is not complete, as everything is one-sided!
    And indeed, what is it that we have one prison, while others in the mansions are awaiting trial!
    How long our business will be in Moscow.
    How long will the murderer of Russian soldiers be the hero and the head, and the soldier the hero beggar.
    When we ordinary pensioners will live with dignity.
    There are many questions, one person can give an answer! but he is silent.
  • wave
    wave 5 November 2013 12: 20
    -1
    Who is the author seen? It is hardly worthwhile to delve into someone else's own subjective point of view. Especially when it comes to such a comprehensive topic
  • Evil rabbit
    Evil rabbit 5 November 2013 12: 23
    +5
    Quote: alicante11
    It is not true. I gave examples.

    I can not agree with you. effective business conduct takes place in different regions and industries, but ... Take for example Altai Krai, when Mikhail Evdokimov became the governor, he brought Moscow companies to tenders for road construction, which significantly reduced the cost of work, and the way the local businessmen crossed the road - gangsters. It is no secret that serious regional programs (read the feeding trough) are allowed only to ...
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 13: 41
      +1
      I can not agree with you. effective business conduct takes place in different regions and industries, but ... Take for example Altai Krai, when Mikhail Evdokimov became the governor, he brought Moscow companies to tenders for road construction, which significantly reduced the cost of work, and the way the local businessmen crossed the road - gangsters. It is no secret that serious regional programs (read the feeding trough) are allowed only to ...


      Apparently, it happens. But our tendency is just that.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 5 November 2013 12: 27
    +3
    “Where are you leading us, crazy old man?”
    - But hell knows, I got lost.
    Ivan Susanin.
  • Black
    Black 5 November 2013 12: 31
    +7
    Quote: morpogr
    A good article if you read over Putin’s grave ....
    It will happen soon. So there will be a chance.

    Such a feeling, WHAT is happening with us, will never end. And our generation will no longer have the chance to read the black epitaph over the graves of thieves.
    There is not a single worthy force capable of withstanding. And we are all like spread fingers.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 5 November 2013 12: 55
    10
    Putin using the pretext "Save Russia from ... Basayev, Berezovsky, Khordokovsky, etc." concentrated all power in his hands. If Stalin used his power for accelerated industrialization and preparation for the Second World War, where did Putin use it?
    The last deeds of the authorities are the victory over the "white ribbons" and the salvation of Assad.
    And where is the salvation of the economy, industry, social security of the people?
    In general, Putin does not live up to hopes as the savior of Russia. And most importantly, he does nothing himself and does not let others into power - perhaps his period in history will receive the name "Putin's stagnation." It will be described as the strengthening of the siloviki, the flourishing of corruption, the exacerbation of interethnic conflicts against the backdrop of an economic downturn, disunity of society, etc.
    As Bismarck noted - Russia can be defeated by undermining it from the inside - and he has already appeared twice in 1917 and 1991.
    What else does Putin need to start saving Russia again only for the present and to the end?
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 5 November 2013 13: 45
      -5
      A lot is invested in industry. There is no serious replacement for Putin now. It's just that not a single figure is physically observed.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 6 November 2013 06: 15
        0
        Quote: Avenger711
        "There is no serious replacement for Putin now.
        It's just that not a single figure is physically observed. "


        Ramzan Kadyrov is a serious substitute.
        He knows military affairs firsthand.
        Strong business executive.
        It is supported not only by the Kremlin, but also by a significant part of the population. And every year more and more people come to Russia
        who will support Kadyrov in the elections.
        Corruption and abuse of officials suppresses.
        Was something stolen during the construction of a mosque in Grozny?
        And when the wife of the official made a scandal in Moscow, he dismissed the official.
        "The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, dismissed Tamerlan Mingaev from the post of deputy plenipotentiary of the republic under the President of the Russian Federation.
        "I fired Mingaev today. The resignation is due to the incorrect behavior of his wife Madina Mingaeva"- Kadyrov told reporters in Grozny."
        http://www.newsru.com/russia/05may2012/mingaeva.html
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 5 November 2013 13: 35
    0
    The surname Kantor already arouses suspicion. Kantorovich would have written more clearly. I, as a supporter of the Empire, are also suspicious of socialism. In my opinion, in 1917 socialists came, then communists. But, if you look at the names of those who came, from 85 to 95% just Kantor (ovich) was. Truth Joseph Vissarionovich stole them all until 1939, but as it turned out, the roots remained. Look, the descendants got out again. Half the government, Echo Matzi, almost all the oligarchs, almost all the journals can continue the list. Therefore, we must look, think and analyze ourselves, then Kantorovichi will not be required.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 13: 59
      +5
      Alik Kantor is a network alias. Lunev Roman, I have the honor :).
  • individual
    individual 5 November 2013 13: 40
    -3
    The author did not indicate a new-old elite admitted to the state feeding trough.
    How are the budget of Russia, its bowels, forest, transport monopolies, housing and communal services used in the interests of a group of businessmen who are spreading rotts of everyone who is not with them, who are not on the list of their close associates?
    The people are again at a trough of their bright future.
    Putin is not free in his actions, this says the role of the Chubais with his NANO, the Serdyukovs with his Oboronservices, prosecutors with their "slot machines", theft and kickbacks at all levels of government and everything that excites our minds, but does not find an answer from the authorities and personally from PUTIN.
    1. alicante11
      5 November 2013 14: 03
      0
      The author did not indicate a new-old elite admitted to the state feeding trough.
      How are the budget of Russia, its subsoil, forest, transport monopolies, housing and communal services in use?


      It seemed to me that there were enough cons. Moreover, these moments relate to GDP indirectly. It was all up to him.

      Putin is not free in his actions, this says the role of the Chubais with his NANO, the Serdyukovs with his Oboronservis,


      I said this.
  • lightman
    lightman 5 November 2013 13: 41
    -8
    After the phrase "Putin is the hired manager of the oligarchs," he stopped reading further. Since this is complete nonsense, IMHO!
    Putin, a patriot of his country. The Russian Federation was on the verge of disaster. From what a deep .. country was raised.
    As I know, there was a statement by the press secretary of Putin, the tandem of Putin and Medvedev long ago fell apart.
    There is a struggle within the country. How many times has Medvedev sabotaged the GDP. How many times did the GDP in every possible way release its brakes and slow down all harmful processes such as privatization.
    Putin is not the omnipotent king and cannot, by one instruction, transplant all oligarchs, ministers and officials.
    There is a very tough open and internal struggle within the country. The authorities now have no support for Putin.
    I don’t have any tandem with Medved and others.

    About the fact that the oligarchs made an effort to preserve the country from complete collapse so that later it could be further tattered, I have not heard more delirium!

    All the ins and outs of politics and struggle cannot be put together in one comment, but without a doubt Putin is a patriotic state official. He sold a tremendous job that is hard to appreciate.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 16: 15
      +4
      Quote: lightman
      All the ins and outs of politics and struggle cannot be put together in one comment, but without a doubt Putin is a patriotic state official. He sold a tremendous job that is hard to appreciate.

      Everything is relative...
      Good is seen only from afar ...
      I don’t play an alternative history, I don’t argue: "What would have happened if ...".
      We live in this country, we are its citizens - why more?
      I prefer a tit in my hand, I am glad that there is work in which I feel like a man. I rejoice every divine day that this day has come. And I am aware that, thank God, I’m not sitting in the Kremlin, or in the Duma, or in the Government of the Russian Federation — too many smart people got divorced ...
      1. lightman
        lightman 5 November 2013 16: 42
        0
        I did not understand why this comment was? I absolutely did not catch what you wanted to say with this comment.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 17: 06
          +5