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There was information about the Ukrainian secret development called "Lotus"

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Information appeared about the Ukrainian secret development in the field of radio monitoring of satellite communication systems. The newest earth station monitoring communications centimeter wavelength, codenamed "Lotus" remains one of the most obscure.


For the first time, information about a promising ground station "Lotos" developed by the State Enterprise "Scientific Research Institute of Integrated Automation" (SE NIIKA), became known in 2009 year. Then in the "Weekly 2000" published an interview with the Director of the Institute Sergey Liginov.

There was information about the Ukrainian secret development called "Lotus"


According to Sergey Liginov, it became known about the start of work on the newest ground-based radio monitoring station for satellite communications "Lotos". The station is designed to receive and process signals from satellite communication systems operating in the centimeter wavelength range.

The main task of the station is to intercept signals between enemy groups and objects through a satellite communications system. The station ultra-precise measures their parameters and creates appropriate interference in order to suppress these signals.



The destruction of satellite radio links takes milliseconds and the potential enemy is left without communication and cannot coordinate their actions and apply ultra-precise weapons whose principle is built on control through receiving signals from the satellite. So most of the UAV, missile systems, air defense systems become blind. At the same time, Lotos is quite capable of receiving signals from a satellite, the reference point of which transmitting antennas is another area of ​​the Earth.



At the moment there is not any public information about the tactical and technical characteristics of the newest complex.



Sources:
http://www.ukraineindustrial.info/index.php/news/37-machinery/898-ukraine-68-307
http://vertikal.biz/userfiles/file/nomade/rc/zhas.pdf
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  1. major071
    major071 5 November 2013 07: 18
    28
    If Ukraine really developed such a station - then take off my hat, well done. Now the main thing is that development would not leak to the west.
    1. a52333
      a52333 5 November 2013 07: 26
      13
      Good device. And apparently not very expensive. Well done good
      1. askort154
        askort154 5 November 2013 08: 54
        +1
        A52333 A good device. And apparently not very expensive. Well done

        I will buy two more satellite dishes and make the same in the country.
        But in general, a cheap publicity stunt. Similar systems have been created for a long time.
        1. Akim
          Akim 5 November 2013 09: 32
          11
          Quote: askort154
          I will buy two more satellite dishes and make the same in the country.

          I, too, was 12 years old, I tied an antenna to the covers from the pan. thought the satellite would catch. I won’t believe in life that you have such a level of education. You decided to scamper, and you got a joke at the 6th grade level.
          1. askort154
            askort154 5 November 2013 13: 08
            -3
            Akim quote I, too, in 12 years old, tied an antenna to the covers from the pan. thought the satellite would catch. I won’t believe in life that you have such a level of education. You decided to scamper, and you got a joke at the 6th grade level.

            Young man (judging about your age, since satellite TV appeared on the territory of the CIS at the end of the 20th century, when you were 12 years old. "Secretly" spoiling her pots from mommy), you certainly could not have foreseen that Ukraine at 21 century will be "independent" and will create a super-duper rodar "state" any satellites. Can you please tell me how many Ukrainian satellites are now in near-earth orbit on which they can work out their "miracle invention"? So, my joke is realities for this article (and for you, specifically)
            1. Akim
              Akim 5 November 2013 13: 26
              0
              Quote: askort154
              Can you please tell me how many Ukrainian satellites are in low-earth orbit now. on which they can work out their "miracle invention"?

              Not at all.
              Special thanks for the "young man". As for satellite TV, I met him back in the 80s in Hungary, when our channels were transmitted to us via satellite, and the Magyars already had satellite TV in every house and they scolded our TVs because they received a signal only in the Sekam format.
              I mean, we don’t know the characteristics and I don’t think that the Pentagon’s whole analytical department works for you, which analyzes the approximate performance characteristics from photographs. The characteristics and parameters will be known - then it is just right to criticize.
              1. askort154
                askort154 5 November 2013 14: 16
                -1
                You see, from my joke, a whole "flame" flared up in you. I'm sure that in the photo (4-plates), there is not this very object, which is discussed in the article.
                Well, okay, not everyone's sense of humor is adequate, but elementary logic suggests that Ukraine at the moment, to put it mildly, cannot be on the topic of struggle in space, at least it has lagged behind after 1991. And as for TV, only SECAM , this is not an example (or an example at the 6th grade) when discussing this article. I can give you a more real example. For stable GPS operation, a simultaneous signal from 7 satellites is required. During the wars in Afghanistan and the Caucasus - GPS "died" in these zones. And here, Ukraine decided to surprise. Ukraine is always late to surprise the world in technology.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 5 November 2013 17: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: askort154
                  as for TV only to SECAM, this is not an example (or an example at the level of 6 cells) in the discussion of this article.

                  I brought it not as an example to an article, but when I got acquainted with satellite television. In this case, it is not worth describing the difference between quadrature and frequency modulation.
    2. Edward72
      Edward72 5 November 2013 07: 26
      10
      It’s going to enter the EU, how to drink to give, otherwise the money will not be thrown.
    3. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 5 November 2013 07: 28
      +5
      Here, yes, the question is interesting, or they will make the export option purely for themselves. Given the impoverished budget, everything is inclined to sell. I hope Ukraine has enough reason not to sell this unit otherwise it will work out as always.
      1. Canep
        Canep 5 November 2013 07: 42
        +3
        I think they will sell it but not to the west (there are likely analogues there), but to someone in the Middle East.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 5 November 2013 10: 03
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          I think they will sell but not to the west (there are likely analogues there), but anyone in the Middle East.


          Do you remember the tantrum around Kolchuga? No other scenario is foreseen.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2013 07: 39
      +4
      Quote: major071
      Now the main thing is that development would not leak to the west.

      Do not worry, do not leak. Chinese specialists are already working on published pictures of the station laughing
    5. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 5 November 2013 07: 57
      +5
      Ukraine could well. In Soviet times, many bright minds worked there. For example, the launching of the aircraft carrier Brezhnev in Nikolaev.
    6. ZU-23
      ZU-23 5 November 2013 08: 18
      +1
      And in your opinion, is this station for Ukraine? there is no money to pay for gas, but they are building Lotus.
      1. AVV
        AVV 5 November 2013 11: 03
        +1
        Will our Analog be called Lily? And it is most likely there for a long time, only nobody wrote about it? And the Belarusians in this area are pretty strong !!!
      2. Anthony
        Anthony 5 November 2013 20: 36
        -1
        Quote: ZU-23
        no money for gas

        It is written knowingly ... Do they even tell you there in Russia that they didn’t give it all in just one month? For September it seems ... And for the rest they received.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 5 November 2013 20: 41
          0
          Today, it seems, they began to pay. For august.
    7. Civil
      Civil 5 November 2013 08: 21
      +3
      Particularly pleased with the Ukrainian satellite constellation.
    8. xetai9977
      xetai9977 5 November 2013 08: 44
      +1
      If the article is true, then all the rumors about the collapse of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, to put it mildly, are not true. Bravo!!! We are waiting and wish you new success !!!
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 5 November 2013 09: 09
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        the collapse of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality.

        If you are allowed into the series, then take off your hat, but for now it is not known what will happen.
    9. Migari
      Migari 5 November 2013 10: 01
      0
      The scientific and technical potential of Ukraine should not be surprised, do not forget that in the USSR, the best examples in aviation, tank building, advanced Paton technologies, etc., were created at Ukrainian enterprises and scientific centers. It’s a pity that today everything new is first of all for sale in Russia too.
    10. Corsair
      Corsair 5 November 2013 10: 20
      -1
      Quote: major071
      If Ukraine really developed such a station - then take off my hat, well done.

      The former potential of radio electronics of the Ukrainian SSR raises no questions. Remember at least the sensational "Kolchuga", Donetsk plant "Topaz".
      But development is not all, in this case, the conversation should be about the capabilities of the "Independent" military-industrial complex, whether it is capable of supplying products to customers in sufficient quantity and with proper quality.
      Let's say that the same "Topaz" has not been heard for a long time, is it "alive"?

      Maybe the "Ukrainian side" will share the info ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 5 November 2013 11: 03
        +1
        h [/ center]
        Quote: Corsair
        Let's say that the same "Topaz" has not been heard for a long time, is it "alive"?

        Alive and working.
        And now all kinds of crap are being developed.
        VHF-UHF frequency range radio direction finder "Barvinok-B"
        [Center]
        Ukol-RK HF frequency range mobile radio monitoring station
        Technique LLC "Scientific and Technical Center of Radio Engineering Systems of the Academy of Sciences of Applied Radio Electronics" (STC RTS AN PRE) Kharkov
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 5 November 2013 11: 16
          -2
          Quote: Akim
          Alive and working.

          I know what kind of "work" it is when I myself am hungry and there is nothing to feed the children, " memorable "non-payment of wages (by Ukraine) in the 90s - early 2000s ...
          And as you can see "To be continued"

          Donetsk Topaz plant again accumulated salary debts
          14:2202.02.201313
          The long-suffering Donetsk defense plant Topaz, which produces the famous Kolchuga passive radio intelligence reconnaissance stations, is again in a difficult financial situation.

          This was announced by the first deputy of the Donetsk mayor Nikolai Volkov. “The problems with the payment of wages at“ Topaz ”arose two years ago, and in order to pay them off, the Verkhovna Rada allocated money from the budget,” the deputy mayor said.
          “Already in the 2012 year,“ Topaz ”received the right to exporter. Also, the issue of paying for manufactured products under previously concluded contracts was resolved, which made it possible to pay wages at the enterprise in 2012. But already at the beginning of the 2013 of the year, the enterprise has a difficult financial situation and there is wage arrears, ”Volkov said.

          www.62.ua
          1. Akim
            Akim 5 November 2013 11: 31
            +4
            Quote: Corsair
            And as you can see "To be continued"

            Well, of course. Everything is bad with us, everything is good with you. I'm tired of arguing with you. Since your source is only the media. well let it be your way. Rejoice your ego. All the same, this voice is like a mosquito squeak in the crowd.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 5 November 2013 11: 37
              -2
              Quote: Akim
              Since your source is only the media. well let it be your way.

              UKRAINIAN MEDIA,UKRAINskie.

              Quote: Akim
              I'm tired of arguing with you.

              But the reason for the dispute is undeniable (I apologize for the tautology repeat )
              Apparently you don't want to see the true situation in the Ukrainian economy ("Truth is born in a dispute") ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 5 November 2013 11: 49
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                Apparently you don't want to see the true situation in the Ukrainian economy ("Truth is born in a dispute") ...

                You will not find any truth. Want to see a half empty glass - please. I prefer to see half full.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 6 November 2013 07: 32
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Donetsk Topaz plant again accumulated salary debts

            "Disadvantages" from would-be non-growers who are unable to manage their own economy, the BEST assessment of the relevance and fairness of the comment ...
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 5 November 2013 11: 25
          +2
          And in the picture (VHF-UHF radio direction finder of the "Periwinkle-B" frequency range) on top of the installation - is this a banter? wassat something reminiscent of a torn and installed window grill in the fashion of the 70s from an old building.
  2. makarov
    makarov 5 November 2013 07: 52
    +6
    In the previous materials about drones, I hinted that their use is not a panacea, because as a result, being "taken into circulation", they will lose control and start bombing other territories, which threatens international scandals.
    On any system (weapon), there will always be an opposing system.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 5 November 2013 08: 17
      +3
      Are you talking about x .. with a screw ?! laughing
      I absolutely agree with you! bully
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 5 November 2013 11: 28
        +3
        The late Lebed still mocked the NATO members when Tomahawks flew to Bulgaria, Macedonia and elsewhere instead of Yugoslavia: "Well this is necessary, DO NOT GET INTO THE COUNTRY!" belay
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 5 November 2013 08: 22
      +2
      Dmitry Rogozin said a couple of years ago that in case of war, all satellites will be disabled in the first place.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 5 November 2013 08: 31
        +6
        Quote: ZU-23
        Dmitry Rogozin said a couple of years ago that in case of war, all satellites will be disabled in the first place.

        Yesterday I watched the German documentary "Stalingrad", how much they look like the modern US army, cool and high-tech, they were ... and in the end they even ate cats, and switched to human flesh, civilizers are their mothers!
        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 5 November 2013 08: 59
          +1
          I agree, but there is no spirit or brains, a tricked out stupid zombie, they are the same now, for their show off above all)))
      2. rolik2
        5 November 2013 15: 30
        0
        Well, and then how is he going to fight then ??
    3. cashpoint
      cashpoint 5 November 2013 08: 27
      +1
      Because the Americans created a drone that performs the flight mission on their own (including the use of weapons) without operator intervention in real time, according to a predefined program.

      "As noted by the Los Angeles Times, Northrop Grumman is developing fully autonomous combat air systems capable of performing missions without any operator intervention in real time.

      This device was called the X-47B, and if they are deployed, these UAVs will be the first fully automatic weapon systems not only in the United States, but also in the world. As expected, during the flight, the X-47B will be controlled by its own on-board computers, the task from start to finish will be performed using internal systems.

      This could mean the beginning of the implementation of the SkyNet system. The Kh-47V is being tested and, probably, when they are put into operation, they will not be equipped with weapons and will not independently choose their targets. However, X-47B program manager Carl Johnson confirmed that "the UAV will fly according to its own mathematical program and decide what to do next."
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 5 November 2013 09: 09
        +2
        Well, this is a distant future, take-off can still be automated somehow, but landing is unlikely ...
        Our "Buran" does not count, there were several other methods used))))
        Inertial systems for a drone will not give such accuracy ...
        Geolocation, flight along the Earth’s profile — require a powerful hardware and computing complex (very expensive)))
        GPS is relatively cheap (except for the deployment of a grouping in orbit)), but it is jammed at once, and knowing the codes, you can enter a delay on the signal and drones and "axes" will fly and the entire American army is not there (and not here)) and the devil knows where....
        Here is an interesting HISTORY about the post-human society of machines, a student shot
        -BUT HOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. cashpoint
          cashpoint 5 November 2013 09: 28
          0
          Quote: Asgard
          Well, this is a distant future, take-off can still be automated somehow, but landing is unlikely ...


          The X-47B first made an automatic landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier, according to the U.S. Navy website. The tests took place on Wednesday, July 10, at the George Bush aircraft carrier off the coast of Virginia.
          “Today we have a rare opportunity to look into the future,” said US Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, who was present at the test. Such an unmanned aerial vehicle, he added, would radically change the existing combat capabilities of aircraft carriers.
          More recently, on May 14, this UAV took off for the first time from the deck of an aircraft carrier, and in June it had already landed, touched the deck, but immediately took off, not releasing a hook and not grabbing the finisher cables.
          And so, today, July 10, 2013 a historical event happened. For the first time in history, an unmanned aerial vehicle made an automatic landing on the deck of a walking aircraft carrier:



        2. cashpoint
          cashpoint 5 November 2013 09: 36
          0
          The United States is modernizing its constellation of satellites that provide GPS to the Block IIR satellites and the operation of the new L2C signal, which has increased power and its modulation for military use, which will make it ineffective to suppress its interference.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 5 November 2013 10: 32
            0
            But we will not modulate interference for it, of course. Well really, why?
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 5 November 2013 10: 30
          +2
          It is enough for the UAV to get on target of the ground drive, after which it will sit down as cute. The drive can even be two antennas with a fully automatic signal, so it sits between them. And let them be more! Dear, very expensive and certainly fully automatic!
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 5 November 2013 11: 30
        0
        Quote: cashpoint
        Because the Americans created a drone that performs the flight mission on their own (including the use of weapons) without operator intervention in real time, according to a predefined program.

        So we go to "Terminator. Rise of the Machines" fellow
  3. waisson
    waisson 5 November 2013 08: 02
    +3
    the magician only rejoice over their bright heads hi
  4. HAM
    HAM 5 November 2013 08: 25
    0
    Everything is very fine, it’s high time to take up anti-GPS. That all high-precision weapons without a GPS baton. Young engineers.
  5. major071
    major071 5 November 2013 08: 40
    +6
    cashpoint Today, 08: 27
    Because the Americans created a drone that performs the flight mission on their own (including the use of weapons) without operator intervention in real time, according to a predefined program.

    To destroy such devices, electromagnetic radiation is used. Complex "Satchel-E". It is made on the MAZ-543 chassis, has a mass of about 5 tons, ensures guaranteed destruction of the electronics of a ground target, aircraft or guided munition at ranges up to 14 kilometers and disruptions in its operation at a distance of up to 40 km. The development is not new, and I think that there is more powerful and more secret.
    1. Storm
      Storm 5 November 2013 09: 09
      0
      So, after all, he is not yet in service unfortunately. Yes, and he seems to have a range of 10 km. Nothing has been heard about the work on such a complex (although they are probably underway).
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 5 November 2013 10: 33
      0
      Good power x-ray laser and guidance system. You can rivet as much as you like, the task is still quite childish.
  6. biglow
    biglow 5 November 2013 08: 41
    +2
    for whom it’s all misunderstood. An army doesn’t need this, single copies cannot be sold ...
  7. Enjoy
    Enjoy 5 November 2013 08: 53
    +3
    I wonder if it might turn out that this system was developed on the basis of Soviet developments and is aimed only at the vulnerabilities of Soviet and Russian satellites? It is quite in the spirit of Ukraine to "creatively rethink" the remnants of the scientific potential of the Ukrainian SSR.

    The USA and Europe will not allow Ukraine to develop something dangerous for them. And why is this a country whose politicians are ready to sell Nenko’s last square meter for 33 cents, and high-ranking officials from the CIA congratulate state security officers on graduating from the relevant academy.

    I do not believe. Most likely, the next change, as with tanks, which 10 pieces cannot be assembled, as with corvettes, which 1 cannot be assembled, like with armored personnel carriers, which no one wants to take. In short, as always.
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 November 2013 08: 57
    0
    Strange station. Well, they put 4 plates and 4 irradiators on one bed ... What has changed from this? Is that the sensitivity has increased. But the question is - is this chamomile harder than one plate with one irradiator?
  9. shark
    shark 5 November 2013 09: 39
    0
    If not an advertising cartoon, urgently need to rename the steal LOTUS-M))))))) But seriously, young people, manage to maintain their scientific potential in spite of everything. References!
  10. scientist
    scientist 5 November 2013 10: 05
    +1
    In fact, a specialist can say a lot just by the appearance of the antenna-feeder antenna device. Therefore, I agree with the author only in one, that the "Lotus" is designed to track satellites. However, even for transmitting data for geostationary satellites, his transmitter is too weak. It can be seen that the terminal cascade of which is assembled on the antenna itself, the vessel with feeders and a suitable cable, its power does not exceed 100 watts. Agree, this is very little to jam. Weak transmitter power and a mobile multipath tracking antenna indicate that this ground station is designed to work with low-orbit optoelectronic reconnaissance and remote sensing satellites. It can be assumed that this system can work with military segments of low-orbit satellite communications such as Orbcomm and Gonets. But there doesn’t need such a complex tracking system, they work with a simple whip antenna. Means "Lotus", this is a conventional satellite communications station with a remote sensing satellite or optoelectronic reconnaissance, can be used both for military and civilian purposes.
    1. rolik2
      5 November 2013 15: 39
      +1
      its power does not exceed 100 watts. Agree, this is very little to jam


      The transmitter power of the U.S. Army Satellite Station does not exceed 5 watts. The satellite transmitter power is not more than 8 watts. So 100 watts is enough for the eyes.

      Such a complex antenna is designed to increase the viewing angle.

      designed to work with low-orbit satellites


      What is the conclusion ?? And for the geostats it is shaved why is it bad ??
      1. scientist
        scientist 5 November 2013 18: 46
        +1
        Quote: rolik2
        What is the conclusion ?? And for the geostats it is shaved why is it bad ??

        For geostationary, such a complex antenna with four radiation patterns (BPS) is not needed. They stand still and practically do not change their position during the entire operation cycle, with the exception of the satellites of the missile defense system.
        And the "Lotus" antenna has a slightly increased power due to the fact that the four-beam DND is designed to track low-orbit satellites that move fast enough. Reception of a high-resolution digital photo requires a stable signal, otherwise it is difficult to decrypt. Although conventional commercial ground-based ground stations for receiving signals from Earth remote sensing satellites have a more simple design, since a program about the satellite's flight path is rather accurately laid in them. Apparently, this design provides for the interception of a signal from a remote sensing satellite with an unknown path. Accordingly, this is either for the purpose of stealing information by commercial structures with subsequent resale, or for intelligence purposes if it is a government structure. But Ukrainians are still well done that they create their ground stations to receive signals from satellite remote sensing of the earth (ERS).
        Regarding the jamming of satellites. To interfere with the remote sensing satellite is generally stupid, it works according to the program and resets the info in a certain territory. And any other satellite can be clogged without problems with a conventional satellite dish, just turn off the automatic power control and give maximum radiation to the satellite, then the transponders are simply overloaded, the end stages enter saturation mode, which prevents them from receiving weak signals from other subscribers. By the way, it happens very often with inexperienced users.
  11. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +3
    In the meantime, the Chinese are alerting their copy machines.
  12. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 5 November 2013 11: 58
    0
    God forbid that our brothers would manage to bring this shtukesiya to mind, otherwise the times in Ukraine are difficult, the European Union will try to do everything to ruin the high-tech industry of Ukraine.
  13. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 5 November 2013 14: 29
    0
    Well done! All around the noise "everything is bad, everything has fallen apart, etc." And in Ukraine, one after another, new samples and modernizations of old ones come out. The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.