Military Review

Stimulus

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Rosnano, Skolkovo. What were they created for? No one knows if there will be any “exhaust” for the country from these centers at all. Quite a few budget funds are being “poured” into these projects. Strange loyalty to these projects, not only from the authorities, but also from the opposition. The all-seeing eye of “RosPil”, constantly watching for public procurement, is “blinking slowly” here ...


What needs to be done to make these projects work effectively for the good of the country? Rosnano and Skolkovo illustrate by example that incredibly high salaries are not an incentive to achieve the desired result.

One of the methods of stimulation is in an excerpt from A. Toptygin's book Unknown Beria.


* * *

The intelligentsia did not enjoy special honor with Stalin. He was well aware that without her help it would be impossible to carry out the grandiose programs that formed the basis of the first five-year plans. It is also impossible to prepare for a war that was literally on the doorstep. <…>

The attitude towards scientists was not easy. On the one hand, the desire of the most advanced part of the party leadership to wipe out aliens from the face of the earth, not Soviet, not party, on the other, to make the most of knowledge, experience, and talent. <…>

A special form of the use of specialists was invented, whose loyalty the Soviet government could doubt. It turned out that academicians and designers can be used not just at a logging or railway construction: you can hammer nails with a microscope, but it is expensive and inefficient. It is better to put a security guard behind everyone sitting at the microscope or behind the drawing board, hang bars on the windows, and give the 10-15 years of strict isolation to the creators themselves, and let them work for themselves.

Already on January 10, 1939, Mr. Lavrenty Pavlovich signs order No. 0021 “on the organization of a special technical bureau”. It clearly defined that this bureau was created under the people's commissioner of internal affairs and falls within its competence. It is created for the use of prisoners with special technical knowledge. The same order approved the headquarters of the OTB and the “Regulations on the Main Technical Bureau at the People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs”.

“... 2. The task of the technical bureau is to organize the design and implementation of new weapons for the army and fleet.
3. The Bureau has the following groups by specialties:
A) aircraft construction group and aviation screws.
B) a group of aircraft engines and diesel engines.
B) a group of naval shipbuilding.
D) a group of powders.
D) a group of artillery shells and detonators.
E) group of armor steels.
G) a group of chemical warfare agents and chemical protection.
H) the group for the introduction of the AN-1 aero-diesel engine in the series (with factory number 82).

<…> 9. A special technical bureau attracts civilian specialists to work in groups, primarily from among young specialists. "

Perhaps the most successful of this work was in the group "A", which was engaged in aircraft construction and received, with the light hand of its participants, the name "Tupolev sharaga". <…>

October 21 1937, Tupolev was arrested in his office in the SUAI building. He spent about a year in the Butyrka prison. After he confessed to everything that he was accused of, the investigators left him alone. By the end of his butyrsky seat, Tupolev received an offer to work in his specialty, and, without thinking twice, agreed. True, he put forward a condition - he must be sure that his wife is free, and the children are with her. Yulia Nikolaevna was released.

<…> Soon Andrei Nikolaevich received an assignment from the People's Commissar himself. The task set before the designers was technically impossible: a heavy 4-engine dive bomber was required, capable of carrying a large bomb load and, as Beria put it, capable of hitting "the enemy in his lair."
Tupolev managed to convince Beria that the ordered was impossible, and if such a monster appeared, the military would not accept it.

After another meeting with Beria, Tupolev told his employees: “My report irritated Beria. When I finished, he gave me a frankly angry look. Apparently, about PB-4, he said a lot to Stalin, and maybe convinced him. This surprised me, from Stalin's past tricks I got the impression that he is in aviation, if he doesn't understand as a designer, then he still has common sense and point of view. Beria said that they would deal with Stalin. For a day I was worried alone, then I was summoned again. “So Comrade Stalin and I once again familiarized ourselves with the materials. The solution is this: now and urgently make a twin-engine. As soon as you finish, proceed to PB-4, we need it. " <…>

Soon, Tupolev's group was transferred from Bolshevo to Moscow. It originally consisted of 17 people. <…>

The work unfolded in the COCO building (design department of the TsAGI experimental aircraft building sector). Here V.M. Petlyakova (100 group), work on Pe-2 aircraft, V.М. Myasishchev (102 group), work on the DVB-102 bomber. Tupolev (group "103") worked on the Tu-2. And KB D.L. Tomaszewski (group "110") worked on the fighter "110".

Petlyakov KB first came to brilliant results. In April, 1940, his plane passes flight tests. Instructions should be: convert high-altitude high-speed fighter into a three-seater dive bomber. This is given 45 days. To perform the work, 300 free workers are recruited from Ilyushin, Yakovlev, Arkhangelsky Design Bureau. Free and zeki work, regardless of time. Responsibility for the assignment assigned to VM. Petlyakova.

2 June 1940 of the year, at the most crucial moment of preparing the transfer of drawings to the manufacturer, Petlyakov is sentenced - 10 years of forced labor camps.

May 28, a little earlier, A.N. Tupolev was also acquainted with the verdict - 15 years of camps. With an interval of 2 weeks, almost all Tupolev sharaga workers whose investigative cases were suspended receive their sentences - the range from 5 to 15 ITL.

What is this, an attempt to stimulate creativity with the help of a whip? However, despite the general depression, as the memoirists write about it, the work continued. <…>

The fate of V.M. Petlyakova.

2 June 1940, he was familiarized with the sentence - 10 years ITL. 25 July 1940 of the year - amnestied at the request of the NKVD. January 1941 of the Year - awarded the Stalin Prize 1 degree.

25 July 1940 was amnestied by Bazenkov, Myasishchev, and others arrested during the period from 1937 to the beginning of 1938.

The second wave of liberation from the NKVD TsKB-29 falls on the summer of 1941, when A.N. Tupolev, Tomashevsky, Kerber, Saukke and others.

The rest of more than a hundred people were released between 1943 (the main body) to 1948. Among those released in 1944 was S.I. Korolev is the future general designer of spaceships. <…>

However, along with the "Tupolev Sharashka" there were other groups dealing with defense issues. <…>

In total for 1939-1945 years, over the 20 major military-technical developments were made, some of which were almost immediately adopted (Pe-2, Tu-2, gun OB-25 and a number of others), the rest, although they did not go to series, became the basis for the development of new military-technical projects.

It must be said that the idea of ​​involuntary engineering labor by itself did not arouse rejection of the country's leadership. In particular, at the July plenum of the 1953 of the year V.M. Molotov literally stated the following: “Tupolev sat as a pest, and now he does planes for us. When I saw how it was that I had to work for this power, I began to work, and God bless him, let him work for himself. ” However, it is not enough to say “did not cause rejection”: the fact that people who were useful for the Soviet state were made from former “pests” was the pride of “party-enkavdeshnoy” pedagogy.

Mb Saukke and L.L. Kerber recall a very characteristic episode. During one visit to L.P. Beria A.N. Tupolev on the proposal to "smoke" began to fill his pockets with cigarettes. The perplexity of the People's Commissar, who knew that Tupolev was not a nonsmoker, was replaced by rage when he explained that he takes cigarettes for his comrades, and this rage was directed not at the caring aircraft designer, but at those charged with providing STB with everything necessary. Immediately before the eyes of Tupolev, a scene broke out about which he gladly told his colleagues. Beria summoned the commandant and the head of the STB and arranged a real dressing, obliging them to feed them at the restaurant level and demanding that they also provide them with cigarettes that they smoked outside. The commandant, leaving the office of Beria after Tupolev, complained about where to get such a chef to carry out the order of the Commissar. The poisonous Tupolev advised to arrest the chef from the National. It turned out, however, without arrests, but they didn’t become better than feed, and there were no more problems with smoking - the prisoners got everything to choose from: from “Herzogovin’s Flor” and “Kazbek” to “Belomorkanal”.
Another advantage was meeting with relatives. True, no more than once a month, but probably this is better than a meeting in 10-15 years.

Andrey Nikolaevich Tupolev was born in 1888 year. Corresponding Member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR (1933), Academician (1953), twice Hero of Socialist Labor. Under the leadership of Tupolev, 50 of original aircraft and around 100 various modifications were created. The creator of the Soviet all-metal aircraft construction. He died in 1972 year.
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  1. Owl
    Owl 6 November 2013 09: 00 New
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    For the obligatory achievement of a ZERO result, it is necessary to put A. Chubais, the oldest enemy of Russia and the USSR, at the head of the "breakthrough scientific organization".
    1. APES
      APES 6 November 2013 11: 19 New
      +3
      The all-seeing eye of RosPila, tirelessly following government purchases, is very “slowly blinking” here ...


      I liked it more.

      Quote: Eagle Owl
      For the obligatory achievement of a ZERO result, it is necessary to put A. Chubais, the oldest enemy of Russia and the USSR, at the head of the "breakthrough scientific organization".


      I think it’s easier - it’s so tribute paid in the modern world.

      Quote: Eagle Owl
      achieving ZERO result


      would say - negative (THEY are not used to stomping around)
    2. datur
      datur 6 November 2013 13: 21 New
      +7
      [quote = Owl] For the obligatory achievement of a ZERO result, it is necessary to put A. Chubais, the oldest enemy of Russia and the USSR, at the head of the "breakthrough scientific organization" - to put him only on the WALL !!!!! laughing
      1. zub46
        zub46 6 November 2013 21: 13 New
        0
        Also a good option.
      2. Abracadabra
        Abracadabra 6 November 2013 22: 47 New
        +1
        Is Putin out of business? Hiding like Ivanov, who said that he had watched the theft of $ mrd in Roscosmos, but did not want to frighten off?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 14: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      at the head of the "breakthrough scientific organization" A. Chubais - the oldest enemy of Russia and the USSR.

      The idea is good, but it will not bear fruit. Chubais is not able to create, wherever he appeared, now it is completely devastated. The author’s thought is to make literate people work, and Chubais is literate only in one. Therefore, he should lead only his firing squad.
    4. yurii p
      yurii p 6 November 2013 20: 17 New
      +3
      and you didn’t think about it, it’s the activity of DAM and his mentor Voloshin, but it doesn’t ennoble the image of Chubais, all that DAM planned is coming to such a result that it can be drawn to conclusions.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 7 November 2013 00: 17 New
        0
        as long as I remember
        incentive is a stick with a hook
        which they scratched
        so that he bravely fought the enemy on the battlefield soldier
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 November 2013 09: 07 New
    +4
    Rusnano, Skolkovo. Why were they created? No one knows if there will be any kind of “exhaust” for the country from these centers.


    Well, then, Chubais was already demonstrating a GDP light bulb that he pulled out of his pocket. Maybe they’ll come up with some kind of chandelier.
    1. Hon
      Hon 6 November 2013 09: 52 New
      13
      And on the light bulb is the inscription of maidin chayna laughing
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 6 November 2013 11: 03 New
      +8
      If he has this light bulb, and it’s better to put a chandelier somewhere, maybe it will be more confusing? laughing
  3. Canep
    Canep 6 November 2013 09: 10 New
    +9
    Such offices like Skolokovo or Rusnano need to be created around teams of scientists, developers and enthusiasts, and not for Dimon and Chubais.
    1. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 6 November 2013 22: 51 New
      +3
      So in Skolkovo just the last talented scientists are recruited to work in the west. Look at the Nobel Prize laureates of the last 10 years, how many Russian surnames! Yes, only everything from American-European universities and all sorts of institutions ..
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 6 November 2013 23: 14 New
        0
        So it looks like they all tried to collect there to make it easier to lure smile
  4. os9165
    os9165 6 November 2013 09: 19 New
    10
    Everything is very simple. Beria and Chubais have different tasks, but as we can see the tasks are 100% fulfilled. Governments have different tasks.
    1. AVV
      AVV 6 November 2013 22: 49 New
      +2
      Redhead in 90 = x had to be put against the wall, but he is still afloat, continues to develop the budget !!!
  5. shurup
    shurup 6 November 2013 09: 53 New
    +5
    Rusnano should be led by Khodorkovsky. It is foolish to use him as a motor-seamstress. Cigarettes of any brand, a personal chef and family visits once a month can be allowed.
    And Chubais should be entrusted with the construction of an ultramodern prison in Skolkovo. At the end - put in the worst cell and allow the same as Khodorkovsky.
    Then there will be results. Did I understand the meaning of the article correctly?
    1. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 6 November 2013 22: 54 New
      -1
      Just Khodor has enough brains and talent, in contrast to such "effective managers-business executives" as Putin, Medvedev, Ivanov, etc., that he could really raise science. But Putin, judging by the results, doesn’t know how to be a supervisor of the Stasi, can he even learn how to sew?
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 6 November 2013 23: 16 New
        0
        You shouldn't be like that. Khodorkovsky is still that "fruit"
      2. I think so
        I think so 6 November 2013 23: 29 New
        +1
        Dear Abra Kadabra!
        You have not gone deep enough in understanding the world around you, and therefore, refusing one lie imposed on society, propagandize another ... THEY ARE ALL THE SAME! He is a thief ... and they don’t know how to deal with any projects, except for even more theft, and they don’t WANT ... If you sincerely believe in the current "inmate" then I am simply sorry for you ... "... even more so ...
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 7 November 2013 06: 28 New
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          You pity yourself better .. Who said that Hodor is a thief? Putin? Bother, read the accusation, this is absurd. Hodor was imprisoned for saving taxes, and then the law allowed the feces. In my opinion, Khodor differs from a thief like Vekselberg, was not noticed in a craving for luxury and did a lot of useful things, for example created boarding schools-lyceums. He sits for telling the thief who they are, drown his dialogue with Putin, after which he was imprisoned. He also sponsored the opposition, and, in my opinion, all that the current Communist Party of the Soviet Union didn’t like. You can’t write down all the rich to thieves so clumsy. Compared with the current Chekist thieves, Hodor looks like a holy priest.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 November 2013 06: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Abra Kadabra
            Bother, read the charge, this is absurd

            Have you read Hodor's indictment? Yes, really, and where, if only in court as his lawyer laughing
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 November 2013 06: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Abra Kadabra
        Just Hodor has enough brains and talent

        Yeah, I knew how to solve issues with the help of hired killers.
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 7 November 2013 12: 07 New
          0
          And this is generally nonsense .. Congratulations, Mr. lied ..
          1. Vladimir73
            Vladimir73 8 November 2013 22: 33 New
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            Dear Abra Kadabra, answer the question - how did Mr. Khodorkovsky make his fortune? I tell you frankly - shortly before his landing, he had a conversation with him about investing in another area besides oil and gas, the essence of his answer is simple - he does not understand this smile Sorry, but he doesn’t pull on the hope of the nation even once. smile
  6. avt
    avt 6 November 2013 10: 19 New
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    “The intelligentsia did not enjoy special honor with Stalin. He was well aware that without her help it would be impossible to carry out the grandiose programs that formed the basis of the first five-year plans. "============ Without the intelligentsia, he fully realized all his plans, since he relied on intellectuals. An intellectual can become an intellectual, but an intellectual can never become an intellectual. There is a direct analogy with our time. , an effective manager "can be done at once, but a normal engineer from an" effective manager "- never. PiaRasta - please, but not an engineer. Well, as the late Bykov in the role of Khrushchev said - ... that mustache understood this! oh, how he knew how to twirl people! " Exactly that he understood the difference between a specialist and a balabol.
    1. sergius60
      sergius60 6 November 2013 16: 28 New
      +2
      Absolutely correct !!! "We drove in", or rather replaced the concepts of "intelligentsia" and "intellectual". At the end of the 19th century, this was an almost obscene concept. Type - "education", "duroplet". Vershkov was picked up by noble children, and at the exit - "exhaust".
    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 6 November 2013 20: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: avt
      Without the intelligentsia, he completely realized all his plans, since he relied on intellectuals

      Stalin was a practitioner, intelligence, of course appreciated, but only if its owner could put it into practice, and not pour water, like Trotsky.
      Quote from a letter from Stalin to Lenin regarding the GOERLO plan:
      4) Since Goelro’s employees, for all their good qualities, still lack healthy practicism (professorial impotence is felt in the articles), it’s imperative to add people living practices acting on the principle of “execution to convey” to them, deadline ”, etc.

      It also shows the attitude towards the intelligentsia - "professorial impotence" and an understanding of the ways of fulfilling difficult plans - "to pour people of living practice into the planning commission to them, acting on the principle of" delivering execution ""
      The same letter http://www.1stalin.ru/5-26.htm shows his attitude to Trotsky and other piz ... balls.
      1. zub46
        zub46 6 November 2013 21: 16 New
        -3
        What kind of people are these? From OGPU or what? The right move.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 6 November 2013 21: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: zub46
          What kind of people are these? From OGPU or what? The right move.

          GOERLO plan implemented? Implemented. So the right people have been sent.
  7. Rinat 1
    Rinat 1 6 November 2013 10: 29 New
    -1
    Yeah. I did not understand the thought, it turns out that everyone needs to be transplanted to work?
    1. RussianRu
      RussianRu 6 November 2013 11: 10 New
      +5
      Who understands how. I realized that it was necessary to raise responsibility for the work. And the projects were run by competent people, not managers. Then there will be innovations, and inventions, and the implementation of the tasks. Now we see only predictions from Skolkovo. Excuses from RUSNANO. It is enough to see the report of the Accounts Chamber on RUSNANO and everything will be clear.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 6 November 2013 12: 21 New
        +1
        For this, as I understand it, the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences has been started, so that people like RUSNANO cannot "go over their ears." The project undergoes an examination, is evaluated and becomes a PLAN (with deadlines, milestones and money), for the implementation of which EVERYONE should be responsible: from academicians to performers.
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 6 November 2013 22: 58 New
          +4
          RUSNANO and RAS are two different things and the "reforms" of RAS have nothing to do with RUSNANO.
    2. avt
      avt 6 November 2013 11: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Rinat 1
      Yeah. I did not understand the thought, it turns out that everyone needs to be transplanted to work?

      Well, why. We have rights and obligations, well, according to the laws and the constitution, here we have an overabundance of rights defenders, but they prefer not to remember the obligations. So it is necessary to remind them in various ways. Moreover, those to whom the state has allocated more rights on the fact of activity, there should be more demand for those in different ways. In the meantime, their dream came true - that we had everything and we had nothing for it.
    3. ammunition
      ammunition 6 November 2013 20: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Rinat 1
      Yeah. I did not understand the thought, it turns out that everyone needs to be transplanted to work?


      As a physicist .. and a very experienced person, I say - In the setting of Sharazhek .. or even closed scientific towns (But only so that there is a clear whip!), scientists work in 10 (ten) times more efficiently. As they say - I give a tooth!
      --------
      This is also why the USSR did not lag behind (ahead) in the science of the USA, for which all scientists of the rest of the world worked.
      ---------
      And anyway .. a belt is the best way to make an idler out of a lazy two-member ... of course, if a two-member is not completely dumb. laughing
      1. Abracadabra
        Abracadabra 6 November 2013 23: 02 New
        +1
        It can be seen what kind of "physicist" you are .. Stalinist with greetings rather .. Isn't it better to give conditions and a sufficient standard of living to scientists, engineers, etc., so that the best talents do not leave Russia? And what money for projects would come directly, and not through a stupid thief?
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 7 November 2013 12: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Abra Kadabra
          It is evident that you are for a "physicist" .. Stalinist with greetings soon.


          You just do not understand the point. Where did you see that now some talent can break through? Where (now) in science are the results? Anyhow big?
          -------
          Today, any moneybag is a "doctor of sciences" ((((And bankers do not need science.
          ----------------
          You don’t even know what is going on in Physics. are happening - politics, grant granting and lying. Both the talents and the beginnings of the present work are destroyed.
          A is being introduced ( with the help of public relations, money, threats and silence) .. delusional "theories" are being introduced, which are beneficial to bankers. Debilization occurs. (((((
    4. nerd.su
      nerd.su 6 November 2013 20: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Rinat 1
      Yeah. I did not understand the thought, it turns out that everyone needs to be transplanted to work?

      The idea that a big salary is not a reliable motivation. Without control over the execution of work ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 6 November 2013 21: 01 New
        -1
        Quote: bot.su
        The idea that a big salary is not a reliable motivation. Without control over the execution of work ...

        Well, the idea is that increased soldering of bread and a bowl of baland, as well as control by the guard, is the guarantee of technological progress.
        The author himself for a month in Dallagh (with the delights of the stage) - maybe today they would read a cheap article, but a whole novel.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 6 November 2013 21: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Well, the idea is that increased soldering of bread and a bowl of baland, as well as control by the guard, is the guarantee of technological progress.

          Firstly, in those difficult years, extra rations were not the worst promotion. Secondly, this article shows an extreme alternative to the modern approach with high costs and zero output.
          In addition, the other side is not in favor of modern Russia. After all, to S.P. Korolev and the current "geniuses" from Skolkovo, the claims are essentially the same - not targeted spending. But the effectiveness of resolving the issue of non-targeted use then and now is visible to the naked eye.
          And for the question of the effectiveness of managerial decisions, you propose the author
          Quote: atalef
          himself for a month in Dallagh (with the delights of the stage)
          .
          After that, who is the tyrant, Stalin or you? what
          1. atalef
            atalef 6 November 2013 21: 48 New
            0
            After that, who is the tyrant, Stalin or you?

            of course it's me.
        2. Selevc
          Selevc 6 November 2013 23: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Well, the idea is that increased soldering of bread and a bowl of baland

          Why are you clinging to this soldering? In all post-war Europe, famine was a ravaged war - watch post-war films German, Hungarian, Polish - the same thing everywhere - in cities people just have nothing to eat !!! And if ordinary people simply swollen and starved to death, then the technical elite still received special rations - is this really bad? In Britain, for a long time after the war, the card system of food distribution remained - and this is in the World Empire over which the sun never set !!! I think that the same thing happened in France and in Germany ... And naturally, America seemed like a paradise amid a shattered and hungry Europe !!!
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 November 2013 10: 40 New
    +8
    There are simply many admirers of America in the government. As in due time the police were renamed to the police and the state uniform was issued. So it is in science. There is an Akademgorodok in Novosibirsk, can you see the liberals from it sausage (aka Soviet). Well, they built Skolkovo, drank the money. But why develop science? The task of the liberal is not to develop, but to ruin.
  9. maxvik
    maxvik 6 November 2013 11: 22 New
    +4
    Now the situation is the same as in the late 30s. There are small worthy groups and organizations of developers. But they cannot enter the state order for various reasons. All money is distributed to huge concerns, such as Vega, Diamond, Constellation, etc. And there everything is decided not by techies, but by financiers, economists, directors, etc. The chief designer is the scapegoat. It will be agreed with such an organization and it is not easy to establish development in an adequate time frame. Many enterprises in these monsters are in poor condition, as orders are distributed according to unknown logic, unevenly and irregularly. And most importantly - there is no RESPONSIBILITY.
    Hence the question: when does a roasted rooster peck, will simple engineers need to dry crackers?
  10. avg
    avg 6 November 2013 11: 36 New
    +6
    Unfortunately, you cannot create a sharashka from Skolkovo or from Rusnano. Well, there are no engineers there, only "creative managers". But they are skillful sawers, they will pull two norms in felling.
    Chubais, this is generally a separate song. Manage to overwhelm any task entrusted, and at the same time be reputed to be an excellent organizer, this is what kind of talent is needed. Such an instance should only be sprinkled with dust and stored in the mausoleum, as a warning to future generations.
    1. mehmeh
      mehmeh 6 December 2014 13: 26 New
      0
      How to deal with this infection? (
  11. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar 6 November 2013 12: 09 New
    +3
    It's funny, I expected any reaction to the article, but the people about the "Red Demon" joke
  12. predator.3
    predator.3 6 November 2013 12: 57 New
    +6
    Rusnano, Skolkovo. Why were they created? No one knows if there will be any kind of “exhaust” for the country from these centers. A lot of budgetary funds are being “tapped” into these projects.


    In fact, Dimon iPhoneovich should be responsible for all these projects, it was he who put forward the ideas of national projects, which later were safely covered with a copper basin! Instead of Skolkovo, it would be better if they invested this money in Zelenodolsk, Novosibirsk and other research centers.
    1. polkownik1
      polkownik1 6 November 2013 19: 41 New
      +2
      To my deepest regret, Ayfonchik is unable to answer for anything. For he absolutely does not understand anything even in his own initiatives. First, the GDP should answer for our personnel policy, including and for iPhone.
  13. Obie
    Obie 6 November 2013 13: 21 New
    +1
    The remaining of more than a hundred people were released between 1943 (the main part) and 1948. Among those released in 1944 was S.I. Korolev - the future general designer of spaceships. <…>

    If my memory serves me right, then Sergey Pavlovich Korolev, and not S.I. - correct, please, you can’t be mistaken in these letters. And the rest is a good article.
  14. vadimN
    vadimN 6 November 2013 13: 24 New
    +2
    Skolkovo has not only "uncertain financially-intensive occupations", but also concrete results. Especially on the front of the fight against the population of the country.

    Skolkovo has developed the now actively advertised cough medicine "Kagocel". The drug is based on a certain substance (I did not remember the name), which has a pronounced spermicidal property. The use of Kagocel made on the basis of this substance gradually and confidently stops the process of spermatogenesis in the body of a man.

    I am not a doctor, I can not answer for the accuracy of the information. I can only say where I got this information:

    Doctor Myasnikov took part in one of the October programs on Radio Vesti (V. Solovyov's morning program "Full Contact"), and he answered questions from radio listeners. One of the callers asked a question, is it true that such a Skolkovo creation was released on the Russian drug market that makes men barren? To this, Dr. Myasnikov answered in the affirmative, accompanying your answer with a phrase like: "Well, you hawala everything you advertise ..."
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 6 November 2013 14: 05 New
    0
    Well, what, they gave me pee..ey. closed in sharashka and create. And the stars and the period so as not to relax and even the kids in the orphanage and the wives in Kolyma. In thought trample. is sad.
  16. Orik
    Orik 6 November 2013 14: 32 New
    +5
    In vain the author brings everything under one bar. In the years 37-39 there were very complex processes and their reflection in the form of arrests was only the tip of the iceberg. There was wrecking in the form of arrests, there was stupidity and incompetence, there was excessive creativity leading to squandering folk remedies, it seems to Tupolev, the desire to push through his not the best project, and simply human weaknesses. Stalin and Beria did not deal with all the time, but still they knew how to solve problems in a non-standard way.
    Actually any control is a variation between a carrot and a stick, this is how a person works.
  17. smart ass
    smart ass 6 November 2013 14: 49 New
    -9
    Nobody wondered why the amers did not have 37 years and the corresponding methods, but there is a "flint valley" and leadership in science ????? The author has a huge minus for comparing 37 and today ...

    Oh yeah, here are some more numbers to think about ... of course Wikipedia
    According to 2006 data, Silicon Valley is the third largest technology center in the United States (225 jobs in terms of the number of people employed in high technology) after New York and Washington. According to other sources, more than 300 IT professionals are working in the San Francisco Bay Area, giving Silicon Valley the right to be considered the largest technology center in the United States. For every 386 employees, there are 000 IT workers.

    Silicon Valley revenue is well above the US average. So, the average family income in 2006-2008 was estimated at 76,5 thousand dollars a year [47]. For about half of the families, this income consisted of the earnings of two (or more) family members

    In the Silicon Valley, the headquarters of many technology companies located at different times on the Fortune 1000 list are located, including:
    Adobe
    AMD
    Agilent (Eng. Agilent Technologies)
    Apple
    Altera
    Applied Materials
    BEA Systems (acquired by Oracle)
    Cisco
    eBay
    Electronic Arts
    Google
    Hewlett-Packard
    Intel
    Intuit Inc. (English Intuit)
    Maxtor (absorbed by Seagate Technology)
    NetApp
    National Semiconductor
    Nvidia
    Oracle
    Sun Microsystems (acquired by Oracle)
    SanDisk
    Symantec
    Yahoo!
    Xerox


    Lavrenty Palych probably stimulated the US economy
  18. atalef
    atalef 6 November 2013 15: 04 New
    -4
    Quote: Clever man
    Nobody wondered why the amers did not have 37 years and the corresponding methods, but there is a "flint valley" and leadership in science ????? The author has a huge minus for comparing 37 and today ...

    The author has a fat minus. It is not worth proving. that in prison and from under the stick people work better creatively. Someone wondered. and how many outstanding scientists. designers, engineers - just died in the camps, many of which were the color of science. What is there to prove. America had no war industry before the war; nobody needed it. a huge amount of American development was bought by anyone (including the USSR. but not by America). In the USSR, they actually began to work for the war in the early 30's. in America - after Pearl Harbor. In this case, neither in prisons nor involuntarily was created (in a year or two) the entire military industry. From aircraft carriers, planes. to the tanks. A huge stake in this rehnika was supplied by Lend-Lease. Well, after the war, industry and especially science in the United States simply flew ahead (again without prisons, children of enemies of the people and Dallag with sharashka) What kind of perverted thinking, like, a person can only work when a life threat hangs over him. Maybe that's why in science. that in industry we are here, and they are there. And just don’t bother me that in the heyday of the USSR, we lived better than in the USA or our industry was at a level. I'm years old. to remember both Brezhnev and the next lights of socialism.
    1. avt
      avt 6 November 2013 17: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      America had no war industry before the war,

      Yeah ??? This is the number! laughing The industry was generally present and really rose on the military orders of the participants of the First World War, which the experts sent from Russia to carry out the defense order also tried. It’s another matter that orders after the war sharply decreased, but again, in a year and two it’s impossible to raise such a colossus that it would be possible to provide at least a land lease. And they did it, so during the crisis, there was production, the factories worked for the Germans and us They built it. And so for the infection and plants to build and prepare personnel - this is all from the field of anecdotes and fairy tales - she flapped her wing and the table was laid. Even during the evacuation of factories in the USSR, it was only in literary legends that the factories were dumped in the field and they worked, the plans for the evacuation and deployment were quite with the place and possibility of connecting to electricity and water supply. To start the machine in a clean field, you need at least electricity and not 220 volts for a coffee grinder, and you won’t drag water for the technological process with buckets.
      1. atalef
        atalef 6 November 2013 18: 22 New
        -3
        Quote: avt
        Yeah ??? This is the number! The industry was generally present and really rose on the military orders of the participants of the First World War, which the experts sent from Russia to carry out the defense order also tried.

        I hope you understand that the concept of industry and military industry are two different things. What is the first world talk about? When we talk about the military industry, what about development? Projects? Research? In general, you understand that the weapons of the first world and the second are different things. so here. to release a shell. cannon airplane - it must have been designed. come up with technology, release special machines (when they are required) and tools --- and only after this will it enter the industry. I'm not talking about completely new systems starting from tanks and planes - but why say everything was new, and all this in America at the beginning of the war was practically absent

        Quote: avt
        And they did it, so with all that crisis there was production, they worked for the Germans and we built factories

        This does not mean either the loading of industry with military orders or the readiness to produce it. No one says that it was not at all, there was a minuscule, there were no military design bureaus at all. And the conversation is about this. There is no problem for the worker why to turn the bolt, and a huge amount of products has a dual purpose, we are talking about military designers, scientists. technologists and engineers --- who brought these projects to the industry --- and so without prisons and hacks, they did it very, very quickly. Come on, let's not talk about America, which everyone hates everyone, remember about * beloved and close Germany *, there, too, engineers and scientists from prisons in sharazhki were not sitting there --- and nothing, they invented with might and main

        Quote: avt
        And so for the infection and plants to build and prepare personnel - this is all from the field of anecdotes and fairy tales - she flapped her wing and the table was laid.

        Nevertheless, in 2, America created a huge military industry, and in general, as a military-industrial complex, it finally took shape only after the Second World War - I don’t even want to quote - dial the formation of the American military-industrial complex - it will give all the information

        Quote: avt
        To start the machine in a clean field, you need at least electricity and not 220 volts for the coffee grinder, and you won’t get water for the technological process with buckets.

        To find electricity and a roof for the machine is not a problem. but the drawing with the detail, the layout diagram and development. testing is all much more difficult. You look at the topic simply too, the machine in this matter is the last thing. R&D always occupied the first place in armament in terms of time and expenditure - so here we are talking about R&D - which the Americans created from scratch and in the 2 of the year began to produce the most advanced equipment and ours - who were in prisons and sharashki, and did the same , I do not speak . but somehow slower and with much less efficiency. Therefore, there is a conversation, no one in prison has ever worked better than in the wild - therefore the whole article and its thoughts are crap.
        1. avt
          avt 6 November 2013 19: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          You look at the topic simply too, the machine in this matter is the last thing. R&D always occupied the first place in armament in terms of time and expenditure - and so we are talking about R&D -

          I look as an engineer by training, you can draw everything, calculate it too, of course, you need to have personnel and prepare them for more than one year and have a school in terms of succession of a generation, but without a machine park and skilled workers, without the necessary material, all your R&D are no more than a protocol of intent, anyone who at least once gave their drawings for production to the production and carried out architectural supervision. And liberoid nonsense about the fact that from scratch it is possible to conduct R&D from scratch in two years, to build a plant, to launch a weapon in mass, you suck in the suckers Managers learned.
          Quote: atalef
          . I'm not talking about completely new systems starting from tanks and planes - but why say everything was new, and all this in America at the beginning of the war was practically absent

          Yeah. And that’s why tanks were bought from a Soviet engineer Christie, planes were also sampled from Seversky and the Vulti attack aircraft, about vehicles like Katalina and her predecessor - they also brought Sikorsky’s boat from the USSR to America and then back. Well, I generally keep quiet about the fleet, battleships did they in series of at least two of the same type also do in two years from scratch?
          Quote: atalef
          we are talking about military designers, scientists. technologists and engineers --- who brought these projects to industry

          So how many shots they received exactly on the orders of the First World, take an interest and you won’t learn your engineers in two years, even under hypnosis. Well, with regards to the sharag - less than Solzhenitsyn, the snitch who suddenly became a chronicler, read. Nobody denies that this was. But nonsense to bear that only there everything was done and not necessary. Quite to themselves, people did not work for fear, but for conscience and not in custody, but rather for defense KBs with an increased level of secrecy. And the tales about how everything is fine there, but here the productivity is low, also leave. The crisis in America is in no way there is no comparison with the horror of a fratricidal civil war - the starting positions are different by an order of magnitude, there the water pumps did not explode and the plants either, and the territory did not change hands from red to white and vice versa. I forgot to ask, but the Soviet armtorg office, what did she buy in the states? Future weapons and unreleased models?
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 6 November 2013 22: 48 New
      +4
      Comparing the economy and science of the United States and the USSR is simply stupid - you need to take into account the historical realities of the 20th century ... If, starting from the 1st World War, Russia was constantly destroyed and devastated, America, on the contrary, developed and flourished - becoming first the dominant country in the Western Hemisphere and then and all over the world ... America was developing steadily - crises and economic oppression only hindered development without stopping it completely ... World War II swept the 20th century, the 2st civil war, two revolutions, two major famine and a large number of smaller but no less painful disasters ... Plus, do not forget that after the civilian huge number of scientists and engineers either left the country or died of starvation or died ... The country was completely destroyed - and by the beginning of the 1s of the USSR already produced both its planes, and its guns and its tanks - and naturally the country could not do this on an American scale ...
      It is amazing as soon as the Soviet Union generally scooped out of this whole situation and by the end of the 50s became on a par with the world powers !!!
      Naturally, the USSR and the USA faced completely opposite tasks - the task of the USSR was simply saying - either make a breakthrough and survive or lose time and the abyss ... America’s task was the opposite - gradually increasing the country's power to conquer the whole world economically and financially, using for their own purposes the current political situation ...
      Stalin mobilized the country (using any methods) and actually made this very leap ... And what were some other ways of development? In my opinion, no - talk about if Tsarist Russia would have been, then everything would be much cooler - just idle talk!
  19. zvereok
    zvereok 6 November 2013 15: 27 New
    +2
    Erm, Beria was finally condemned, even though he was "his own man." And the elite snapped like seeds. And then an engineer, put in a cage to create, under the leadership of Chubais? And if it suddenly happens that the rockets will take off, only with Western satellites, then the engineer will go to Magadan, and Chubais will be punished by the removal of his deputy ... No, well, not nonsense?

    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
  20. Garysit
    Garysit 6 November 2013 18: 30 New
    +1
    A wonderful guide to Rogozin on creating concerns and holdings. At least there will be sense ...
  21. Savva30
    Savva30 6 November 2013 18: 34 New
    +2
    Rusnano, Skolkovo. Why were they created?Everyone knows ... everything. Soon the rope ...............
  22. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 6 November 2013 18: 40 New
    +5
    Well, you determine the Chubas, Serdyukov and many others in sharagu ... And what will they create ???? Oh yes, TABRET. !!!!!! All with the upcoming holiday !!!! Happy GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION !!!!
  23. Ols76
    Ols76 6 November 2013 19: 20 New
    0
    Skolkova needs to attract more talented engineers and scientists instead of all these creative managers, then maybe there will be a sense.
    1. I think so
      I think so 6 November 2013 23: 54 New
      0
      Then it will not be Skolkovo ... it will be the RAS, which these authorities and Skolkov are trying to destroy ...
  24. Maksmith
    Maksmith 6 November 2013 20: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    For the obligatory achievement of a ZERO result, it is necessary to put A. Chubais, the oldest enemy of Russia and the USSR, at the head of the "breakthrough scientific organization".

    Chubais, for his services to the fatherland, it is high time to erect a monument ... on his grave.
  25. Crrusader40
    Crrusader40 6 November 2013 22: 23 New
    +3
    How to increase salaries of cops and officials, would increase salaries to scientists
  26. Vladimir73
    Vladimir73 6 November 2013 23: 13 New
    +1
    The author of the article is a plus! Yes, they planted, but did not work against their homeland. EVERYTHING FOR VICTORY AND GREAT STATE! How many memoirs and memoirs released in our time about those times ... REAL SCIENTISTS OF THE DESIGNER, after leaving the "sharazhek" wrote that they had never worked so fruitfully. Propaganda? They explained that nothing distracted them from solving the assigned tasks, and they tried to create the best living conditions, to the best of their ability.
  27. I think so
    I think so 6 November 2013 23: 17 New
    0
    How "it is not known why Rusnano and similar horn and hoof companies were created"?

    Everything is perfectly clear ... for another stream of human money (budget) into the pockets of the right people ... of Jewish nationality ... they are so poor in Russia ...
  28. Selevc
    Selevc 6 November 2013 23: 44 New
    +4
    And in general, stories about Stalin's sharazhki mine are very exaggerated - in my native Kharkov I still stayed at home where ITR sheep teams worked to create the famous T-34 ... Together with Koshkin this masterpiece was developed by a large group of talented specialists - they lived and worked in the best, most comfortable and most modern buildings of the time ... In the pre-war Kharkov just in the 20s and 30s the best civil and military structures of that era were built ...
    And all this was done from under a stick and for a bowl of baland? Wash complete nonsense !!!
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 7 November 2013 09: 04 New
      0
      Someone out of fear to go on a diet with a loaf, but the bulk of the people for the future of their country, for the sons and grandchildren.
  29. pRofF
    pRofF 7 November 2013 00: 26 New
    +1
    In emergency conditions of management and existence in general, the most important thing is the efficiency and effectiveness of the measures taken. Based on this, in my opinion, the "sharashki" provided both that and that for 10+.
    There are results, they are visible to the naked eye, there is no point in describing them. But we can touch on the following point: it is no secret that comrades / gentlemen scientists are real scientists, fans of their work - as it were, to put it mildly, somewhat divorced from the real world. At all times, when the luminaries of science interact with the state, the first demanded from the latter to provide them with all the conditions for work - that is, resources, premises, etc., but not to interfere with the work itself - "the rest is ourselves", "we will do everything according to science, and so as we want. " Simply put, scientists should be given everything, but control, direct - not, bottom, "interferes with this process." You don't have to go far for an example. Everyone knows that Academician Kurchatov was the creator of the Soviet atomic bomb. But it is not so widely known that he was appointed project manager when it became clear that venerable academics would be useless. More precisely, there would be a sense - but after a long time: the academics wanted to design and create AB according to their own, so to speak, patterns, without resorting to those calculations and achievements of the Yankees that our intelligence had obtained. Yes, it is commendable, the desire to do everything ourselves. But there was no time for that. The country needed AB like air. And then Stalin gave the order to involve Kurchatov in the work - who, by the way, was actively persecuted by the same academicians. Kurchatov created the bomb - through American blueprints and developments. Subsequently, they developed their own - but then, when the threat had passed. Why am I so signed all this? And to the fact that scientists need an eye and an eye - otherwise, hovering in theoretical clouds can lead them ooooooo away from the urgent problem.
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 7 November 2013 09: 10 New
      0
      good totally agree with you. EXAMPLE Silicon Valley, US Science Laboratories. Breakthrough money is invested in development, other resources ... the result is that shells for penetrating the armor of any tank are sometimes comparable to the cost of the tank itself, only to somehow repulse development costs. But they can afford this (and they are "welded" even cleaner than we have in Skolkovo) the budget of the US Defense Ministry you know what smile
  30. mehmeh
    mehmeh 6 December 2014 13: 22 New
    0
    And that Alferov was not delivered to Russia? Chubaty himself has been discredited for a long time. Is it really either a mockery of the people to put him on or paying tribute
    In general, the feeling is that he was stuck with a gamper to strangle a competitor in the bud