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Is the 20-year-old Russia-USA performance coming to an end?

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Is the 20-year-old Russia-USA performance coming to an end?Although the situation around the Syrian issue has heated to the limit, problems in relations between Russia and the United States are no longer for anyone news. In the past twenty years, the Western media have been doing what they were trying to find weak spots in the political life of Russia, in order to use them further in their own interests. They painted the image of an undemocratic and authoritarian country, in other words, a direct threat to the west.


And here are a few episodes of this multi-year media campaign:

- pursued by the authorities Berezovsky;

The killing of Politkovskaya by “KGB thugs”;

- Khodorkovsky's imprisonment due to his “love of freedom”;

The “genocide” of the Chechen people built by the authorities;

-Pussy Riot;

- Magnitsky case and later adopted Magnitsky law;

Litvinenko’s murder “by order of Putin”;

-Aleksey Navalny as the new “Sakharov”;

-shumikha around Russian support for Assad;

-shumikha around election fraud for the presidency and the Duma;

- “harassment” and discrimination of persons of non-traditional sexual orientation;

- "Belolentochny" rally on Bolotnaya Square;

the defamation of the “traitor to the homeland” of Snowden;

-constant "interference" of Russia in Ukrainian politics.

The list goes on and on, but to confirm the above, this is quite enough.

In many ways, this is reminiscent of the Cold War, when with the help of propaganda the West tried to demonize the Soviet Union in the face of other countries and supported anti-Soviet forces throughout the world and in the USSR itself. And these efforts were largely justified: by the beginning of the 90s of the last century, most of the inhabitants of the Soviet Union were very dissatisfied with their leaders. So what is the current situation different from the one that took place twenty years ago?

Why did the Soviet Union really disappear?

The official date of the cessation of the existence of the Soviet Union 26 is December 1991 of the year - the day the Supreme Council adopted the declaration number 142-H, which confirmed the breakup of the USSR as a state and a subject of international law. But this is only the tip of the iceberg, so to speak a superficial view of things. And although the Soviet Union was reduced to the size of the Russian Federation, it continued to exist within it: the laws remained the same as most of the bureaucracy. Despite the fact that after the August 1991 coup, the Communist Party was banned, the rest of the state apparatus continued to function.

For Yeltsin and his minions, this situation has become very difficult. Having dismissed the KGB and the CPSU, the liberals faced several other “problems”, namely: the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation, as well as the parliament of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, which was elected at the congress of people's deputies of the Russian Federation. In short, the Supreme Council positioned itself as a “Russian parliament” (which is not quite right), and its task list was to prevent Yeltsin from carrying out his reforms (that is, to prevent the new president from completely destroying the country). It can be said that the “new” Russia and the “old” Union fought for the future of the state. As expected, the Supreme Soviet wanted parliamentary democracy, while Yeltsin and his liberal henchmen wanted presidential democracy. The two sides suggested that before most Russians could not imagine:

-As a president, Yeltsin represented Russia in the international arena. He positioned himself as a democrat and anti-communist (although he had previously been a high-ranking member of the CPSU and a member of the Politburo). Yeltsin was also a favorite of the West and promised to integrate Russia into the Western world.

- The Supreme Council, headed by Ruslan Khasbulatov with the support of the Vice-President of Russia Alexander Rutsky, became a stronghold for those who believed that the collapse of the USSR was a crime against the people. The main part of the Supreme Council consisted mainly of communists and socialists, as well as those who were opposed to the capitalist system. The Supreme Council also supported most nationalist movements.

We all know what happened next: Yeltsin literally drowned the opposition in the “bloodbath”, and in reality things were much worse than it was shown in the Western and Russian media. One colonel from the Vympel detachment said that according to KGB estimates, the number of those killed within the Moscow Region reached three thousand. According to one of the eyewitnesses, a long automatic gunfight ensued right under his windows - and this is five days after the dissolution of the Supreme Soviet. When the authorities ordered the colonel from Vympel to prepare for the storming of the White House, he refused. So many did: as in 1991, both the paratroopers and special forces refused to shoot at their own people. While the "democratic" forces did not show such sympathy.

By 1993, the overwhelming majority of Russians (including expelled immigrants) were already fed up with what was happening in the country. All were waiting for another one to emerge - the third force in the political arena of the state.

Democratic nightmare (1993-1999)

After the defeat of the opposition by Yeltsin’s gangsters, a quiet horror ensued in Russia: the mafia came to power, and the natural resources were plundered by oligarchs (mostly of Jewish origin). Privatization has created a new class of multimillionaires, and tens of millions of people could barely make ends meet. A wave of crime swept over almost every city, the state’s infrastructure collapsed, and many regions began to actively plan their separation from the Russian Federation. Chechnya was allowed to leave Russia after a bloody war. During these truly hellish years, the Western elites gave full support to Yeltsin and his oligarchs. The only exception was the sponsorship of Chechen militants. In the end, what happened should have happened: in 1998, the country defaulted. Without a doubt, in 1999, Russia was only a stone’s throw away from complete collapse.

What the liberals left behind

By destroying the opposition in 1993, the liberals gained absolute freedom of action. They had the opportunity to create a new constitution that would perfectly fit their goals. Most of the authority has now passed to the president. Moreover, the post of vice-president was abolished, because the liberals did not want anyone like Rutskoi again to interfere with their plans.

Nevertheless, in the year 1996 they managed to almost lose the election for president. Communist candidate Gennady Zyuganov received the majority of votes already in the first round, so the liberals had to do two things: to falsify the results and make an alliance with General Alexander Lebed. After such "maneuvers" they declared victory in the second round. And again the West supported Yeltsin. Why not? Why not support him again after the massacre of the opposition?

Yeltsin, on the other hand, spent most of his time as president in a wild binge and soon realized that he would not be able to stretch that long. The liberal camp panicked, as a result, having made a huge mistake, allowing the little-known and inconspicuous policy from St. Petersburg, who in their opinion did not have strong qualities, take the place of Yeltsin. This man was Vladimir Putin.

But assuming the presidency, he began to act with lightning speed. Personally taking part in the events of the second Chechen war, Putin immediately surprised everyone. Unlike his predecessor, the new president gave cartel blanche to his warlords. Putin surprised everyone again when he truly concluded historical agreement with Akhmad-haji Kadyrov (although he was one of the leaders of the militants), thus bringing peace to the Chechen region.

Putin was rapidly gaining popularity, which definitely played into his hands.

Taking advantage of the weak points in the liberal-written constitution, he adopted a number of very important reforms and thus stripped the authorities of the biggest oligarchs (Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Fridman, Gusinsky, etc.). Putin also adopted many laws that were aimed at strengthening the vertical of power (the Federal Center gained direct control over local governments). As a result, most of the local mafias were liquidated, and various separatist movements were immediately stopped. Finally, Putin used an administrative resource to create the United Russia party and secure state support for it. The irony is that Putin would never have been able to realize his plans if it were not for the very constitution according to which the president was vested with enormous powers. Liberals sold him a rope, on which Putin hung them.

The West, of course, realized everything that was happening, but it was too late.

Who really put Putin to power?

This is a million question, if not more! Purely formally, the answer is simple: Yeltsin. And yet, someone from the outside managed to brilliantly beat the liberals.

If the pro-Soviet forces were destroyed in 1993, who could have done it?

Union of two forces:

-the first was the PGU of the KGB of the USSR (a structural unit of foreign intelligence of the KGB). Without a doubt, it was the most elite, as well as the most autonomous unit of the State Security Committee. He even had his own headquarters in the south of Moscow. Among other things, the activity of the Perm State University was very closely connected with financial activity both in the USSR and abroad.

The second force was formed by a young generation of politicians from key ministries of the former Soviet Union who were involved in financial and industrial matters, and hated the Yeltsin oligarchs. Unlike their liberal "colleagues", they did not want to simply plunder all the resources of the Russian Federation, and then retire to the United States or Israel. They set a goal to create a powerful market economy that would be integrated into the international financial system.

The first group will be referred to as “supporters of Eurasian sovereignty”, and the second - “Atlantic integrationists”. Or “Putin’s people” and “Medvedev’s people”.

Of course, the third force, which provided the greatest support to the Putin-Medvedev tandem, the Russian people deserves special attention.

Brilliant formula

The creation of the aforementioned tandem was a truly brilliant plan: the Putin program was created in such a way as to attract the attention of the nationally-oriented part of the population, and Medvedev - the liberal one. Putin would receive support from the security forces (defense, national security, intelligence), while Medvedev would receive support from the business community. Putin would clean up the local self-government bodies, while Medvedev would do everything to solve financial issues with the EU and the US as smoothly as possible.

But what about the opposition today? The Communist Party is trying to please those who are nostalgic for the Soviet Union, the liberal-democratic camp is the nationally-oriented part of the population, and Fair Russia simply selects the votes of the first two. In other words, Putin and Medvedev have eliminated all sorts of serious opposition.

What is happening in the US in the meantime?

Unlike the one that disappeared from the map of the Soviet Union, America won the Cold War (although this is actually not quite right) and, becoming an unconditional superpower, almost immediately launched a series of wars to finally assert its superiority over the rest of the countries. The events of September 11, which profoundly changed the character of American society, gave even greater impetus to external aggression.

During Reagan’s rule, one political force, whose members would later be known as “neoconservatives,” decided to gain control of the Republican party, including its organizations, as well as think tanks. Although former Trotskyists were inclined to support a center-left democratic party in the past, the new Republicans under the aegis of Reagan made some very attractive proposals to the neo-cons:

-Money. Reagan was an absolute supporter of big business and the corporate world. His idea of ​​“government is a problem” fit perfectly into the historically established close relationship between neoconservatives and the mafia, as well as major bankers. For them, deregulation meant freedom of action, something that would make them overly rich.

-Violence. Among other things, with the post of President Reagan gained control of the American military-industrial complex, which gave the right to invade any other country. This kind of “passion” ideally corresponded to the ideology of the neo-cons.

- Illegality. Reagan didn’t care what law to break - international or state. Of course, as long as it was beneficial to the United States or the Republicans, they continued to monitor its observance.

-Arrogance. Under Reagan, patriotism as well as imperial arrogance reached new heights. America considered itself not only the “leader of the free world”, which had become a defense against the “evil empire,” but also a unique country with superiority over all of humanity, a country (just like in the 1980 Ford advertisement: “We are number one!”).

- Systematic deception. During Reagan’s rule, the lie turned from an infrequently used political device into a key form of communication with the people: the government could make some statement and literally in a minute to refute it. Reagan could make promises that he was unable to fulfill; solemnly to assure of something, and then break the oath (Irangate scandal). And if someone presented evidence, all that Reagan needed to do was to say: “Um, well, I don’t remember that.”

-Messianism. Not only did the President receive enormous support from various US religious denominations that were insane in their ideology (including the Biblical Belt), he also contributed to the development of strange messianic movements dominated by xenophobia, bordering racism and the narcissistic hobby than something patriotic, no matter how stupid it is.

Money + violence + illegality + ignorance + deceit + messianism eventually give what? Is this too ideal a formula for describing Zionism and the politics of Israel?

The Reagan government was a kind of ideal Petri dish, where the Zionist bacterium could grow as it pleased.

The United States went through a twenty-year “zionization” process, the peak of which fell on 11 September 2001, when supporters of the New American Century project used their access to power centers in the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia to create a new imaginary enemy - Islamic fascism. The purpose of this was to justify the international war against "terrorism" and the unreserved support of Israel.

After such a development, there were also losers - the so-called “camp of the Anglo-American forces”, which practically lost control over most of its internal political sphere of activity and full control over the external one. For the first time, a new course in foreign policy began to take shape under the leadership of people who followed the ideology of "Israel in the first place." For some time, the Anglo-American forces managed to seize the initiative after the election of George Bush Sr. to the presidency, but with the coming to power of Bill Clinton, everything returned to its former places. The climax of the power of the “sioconservators” fell on the presidency of George W. Bush, who began mass cleansing of key posts in the government (especially in the Pentagon and the CIA) from the Anglo-American forces. As one would expect, people whom Bush’s elder called “psychos in the basement” relatively quickly turned the country upside down: a clear international sympathy after 11 September turned into a wave of reproaches and hatred, while America itself, meanwhile, faced a banking crisis a system of such magnitude that was two steps from the introduction of martial law.

Barack Obama - “Hope You Can Believe In”

The election of Barack Obama as president of the United States was a truly important historical event. And not only because the majority of the white population voted for the black man as the head of state (this was an extreme manifestation of despair and faith in change), but also because after one of the most ambitious PR companies, most Americans really believed that the new president would become the beginning of some significant changes. The disappointment was as great as the number of people who voted for Obama. History will remember him not only as the worst president in history, but also as the last chance to reform the system.

However, there are “achievements” that Obama can boast of: during his reign, most neo-conservatives were removed from key positions, and the course of foreign policy has changed significantly. Undoubtedly, neocons still firmly hold their positions in Congress and the American media, but the executive branch, at least at present, is under the control of the Anglo-oriented forces (it should be understood that in this case everything is relative: Dick Cheney was not a Jew, and not a Zionist, exactly how Henry Kissinger could be hardly attributed to the “English camp”). Despite the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu received support more than any other US president, an air strike on Iran, which he wanted to inflict, did not take place anyway. On top of that, Hagel and Kerry were appointed to the place of Hillary and Petraeus. This is hardly the embodiment of those “hopes in which we can believe,” but at least this proves that the Zionists no longer control the White House.

The current alignment of forces in the US and Russia

We already know that in Russia there are two opposing sides: “supporters of Eurasian sovereignty”, who so far have prevailed over “Atlantic integrationists”. In America, things are similar, with the only difference being that there is victory in the hands of neoconservatives. There are two compelling reasons why we can assume that the position of the "Eurasians" is much more advantageous than the neo-cons:

-Russia has already gone through an economic collapse;

-Most Russians support Putin.

At the same time, the United States is on the verge of economic collapse, and most Americans simply hate their government.

Being disappointed in Obama, more and more Americans are convinced that changing the puppet will not solve the pressing problems and the United States really needs a change of regime.

Back to the Future?

An interesting fact is that the United States under Obama became very similar to the USSR since the time of Brezhnev, when people experienced hostility and alienation to each other, caused by the stagnation of the rotten system to the very foundation. On the streets of the city, the fat military and police are very often, while the number of beggars is steadily increasing. Public propaganda (like the one that Orwell described in 1984) is replete with statements of world success, but everyone knows that this is a blatant lie. The United States is heavily overwhelmed by foreign activity, where they are, moreover, hated. As in Soviet times, Washington is afraid of its own people, so it builds around itself a defense of spies and propagandists who dislike dissent and consider them enemies of their fellow citizens.

Add to this a political system that does not even think about building relationships with the best representatives of civil society, but it promotes the most immoral and corrupt. The growth of the construction of prison and military-industrial complexes, the elementary content of which is simply not enough money. A collapsing public infrastructure and an absolutely non-functioning health care system (only rich people with connections can get good treatment). And in addition to all of the above, a schizoid, sclerotic, far from reality discourse, full of ideological clichés.

At the UN Conference on Disarmament, held in Geneva in 1992, the Ambassador of Pakistan addressed the smug Western diplomats with the following words: “You think you won the Cold War, but have you ever thought about what really happened? What did the internal contradictions of communism destroy communism before the internal contradictions of capitalism manage to destroy capitalism itself? ” As you yourself understood, the reaction to his already prophetic words was silence and numbness. And the ambassador was right: today, the West, as never before, is deeply immersed in a crisis, and the possibility of changing something seems highly unlikely. The only solution is to change the mode.

The historical roots of Russophobia among the American elites

Against the background of the above, it becomes clear why the Western plutocracy is experiencing such a deep hatred of Putin and Russia. Convincing itself of victory in the Cold War, the West had to face a double disappointment (the rapid recovery of Russia, as well as the approaching end of the political and economic systems of the West).

Absorbed by anger and hatred, Western leaders do not pay attention to the fact that Russia is not involved in the appearance of their problems. The collapse of the Soviet Union was supposed to prolong the existence of the international economic system by creating a new demand for US dollars in Eastern Europe and Russia. Some economists, such as, for example, Nikolai Starikov, believe that the collapse of the USSR made it possible for the American dollar to exist for 10 years longer.

Throughout history, Russia has been a sworn enemy of the British Empire. The Jews during the times of Tsarist Russia managed to harbor a considerable amount of resentment. The 1917 revolution of the year brought great promise to many Eastern European Jews, but only until Stalin defeated Trotsky and cleared the Communist Party from many of its members of Jewish origin. Again and again, Russia played a tragic role in the history of Ashkenazi Jews, which profoundly influenced the worldview of the neoconservatives, who are still ardent Russophobes. Someone may object, arguing that many Jews are grateful to the Soviet army for liberating the concentration camps and for the fact that the USSR was the first country to recognize Israel. But in both cases, the country which, according to non-conservatives, is credited with these achievements is the Soviet Union, and not Russia, which most Ashkenazi Jews associate with anti-Jewish policies.

Anti-American mood in Russia

Since the collapse of the USSR, feelings towards the United States have changed a lot. In 1980, America was more popular than ever: Russian youth created rock bands (many of which gained wide acceptance over time, such as DDT from St. Petersburg), American fashion and fast food were every teen's dream, while the most "intellectual-advanced" members of society saw the United States as the "leader of the free world." Of course, internal propaganda tried to present America as an aggressive imperialist country, but in the end this “campaign” was not successful: most people loved the United States very much. The text of the song “Good-bye, America” by one of the most popular 90-rock groups of the last century “Nautilus Pompilius” has the following lines:

"Good-bue America, oh,
Where I have never been.
Do not see you again.
Take the banjo
Play me goodbye.
La la la
La la la
I became too small
Your grated jeans.
We've been taught
Love your forbidden fruit. ”

Although this was a kind of exception to the rule, by the beginning of 90's, the majority of the Russian population, especially the young, were hooked on American propaganda. The ideology of Russia has become pro-American.

But the collapse of the USSR, as well as the loyalty and support of Yeltsin’s west, changed everything. The USA used every opportunity to weaken Russia (for example, by admitting all Eastern European countries to NATO, although Washington promised never to do so). The West supported the Jewish oligarchs, who in every possible way drained resources from Russia, at the same time helping any separatist movement. By the end of 90's, the words "liberal" and "democrat" became insulting. The anecdote, which became very popular in those times, describes the current situation well.

A new teacher comes to class:
- My name is Abraham Davidovich, I am a liberal. Children, take turns introducing yourself just like me ...
- My name is Masha, I am a liberal ...
- My name is Stepa, I am a liberal ...
- My name is Little Johnny, I am Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !!
- My mother is Stalinist, my father is Stalinist, my friends are Stalinists, and I, too, are Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, and if your mom was a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then ?!
- Then I would be a liberal.

Pay attention to the association of Jews with liberals and the mention of homosexuality in the context of drug addicts and prostitutes.

Anti-Russian sentiment in the United States

Given the endless barrage of anti-Russian propaganda in the Western media, one wonders how things really are. Americans have always been opposed to communism, but somehow most of them understand the difference between political ideology (which, by the way, they don’t really perceive and, nevertheless, do not like) and people who in the past have associated with it.

US politicians, of course, for the most part hate Russia, which is not the case for ordinary Americans. The explanation for this separation lies in two factors.

Firstly, since more and more people in the West understand that there is no democracy in their society, they treat state propaganda with categorical distrust (the same thing happened in the USSR in 80-ies). In addition, the number of those who oppose the imperial plutocratic order is growing, and with it the sympathy for Russia and Putin for his "opposition to the villains from the White House." But even more significant is the fact that Russia, by an ironic coincidence, today stands for the “yesterday's” values ​​of the West: international law, pluralism, social rights, freedom of speech, anti-imperialism, a ban on violation of the sovereignty of states, the rejection of war, as a means of resolving disputes.

In the event of a conflict in Syria, the decisive position of Russia in the protection of international law certainly impressed many Americans and Europeans. More and more, one can hear commendable words addressed to Putin from those who have recently doubted him.

Of course, Russia can hardly be called a utopian country, and yet it did not follow the path of the “evil empire”. But any other normal state will defend the same principles as Russia. For her, this is not just a naive idealism, but a clearly built goal. Western propaganda insists that Putin is a merciless dictator representing the danger of the United States, but as soon as people begin to listen to him, they agree with his words.

Western elites still stuck in the Cold War

And if over the past twenty years the alignment of forces in the world has changed dramatically, the ideology of the Western elites has not. Faced with a very sad reality, they are desperately trying to re-launch the Cold War, hoping to win. All this endless mass media propaganda (oppression of minorities, murder or imprisonment of dissidents, lack of freedom of speech, totalitarianism) is aimed at rebranding Russia to the new Soviet Union. The problem is that they are twenty years late and charges of this kind are at odds with public opinion in the west, not to mention Russia itself. Any attempt to interfere in the internal political processes of Russia was so inept and inept that it almost immediately failed. Starting from the absolutely vain attempts to organize a color revolution and ending with whipping up the situation around the sex rights of minorities - all this only strengthened the position of Vladimir Putin.

Recently, one quite interesting event took place. Due to the current situation around the US budget, Obama could not come to the APEC summit. Nevertheless, the meeting was remembered by a real surprise, which was quite unexpected: the leaders of the countries of the Pacific region choir congratulated Vladimir Putin on his birthday. One can only imagine how much Washington was angry with such a “number”.

Summing up

It would be naive to believe that the process of de-imperialization in the United States will take place without violence. The French and British empires collapsed in World War II, and the Japanese Empire was destroyed by bombing. In Russia itself, the “civil war” of 1993 of the year took thousands, but not millions of lives. And by the grace of God, everything went without the use of nuclear weapons.

So what happens when the bubble of a US empire explodes? It’s impossible to say for sure, but one can hope that no one will come to their aid, as was the case with Russia in 1991.

Over the past twenty years, the political course of America and Russia has changed dramatically, as well as their role in the international arena. By objective circumstances, these countries have become warring parties. “I am not against America — she is against me,” the words from the song of the famous rapper Lowkey.

At the same time, the wave of anti-Russian propaganda will continue, for in this way the panicked Western plutocracy is trying to “calm the nerves”.
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 November 2013 08: 22
    50
    Little Johnny, and if your mother were a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then ?!
    - Then I would be a liberal.

    laughing
    And Putin kicked the back of Obama ..))) and I hope this is just the beginning! You are exceptional .....
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 2 November 2013 09: 53
      17
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And Putin kicked Obama's ass ..)))

      No, he stepped on a duck's paw. laughing
      the wave of anti-Russian propaganda will continue, because in this way the panicking Western plutocracy is trying to "calm the nerves."

      And to local liberals eggs ... laughing
    2. Simon
      Simon 2 November 2013 10: 37
      +8
      That's right, Putin has just begun, and there they are withering themselves. laughing
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 2 November 2013 11: 23
        22
        There are many beeches
        did not understand
        who are we going to beat the face angry
        1. washi
          washi 2 November 2013 11: 39
          -7
          Quote: Aryan
          There are many beeches
          did not understand
          who are we going to beat the face angry

          Unfortunately, the Jews again.
          Given that the Armenians are called Caucasian Jews, you must be happy
          1. Aryan
            Aryan 2 November 2013 13: 23
            +4
            you have a mistake!
            1. Artyom
              Artyom 3 November 2013 17: 34
              +3
              Well, shy - write with the letter And! bully
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 2 November 2013 23: 18
          +1
          We are cunning today, we will send the hot Chechens to beat the face of the liberals, and when they kill a bunch of Chechens we will intervene and finish off the liberals like such a plan of attack on the western front))) soldier
        3. scrack
          scrack 2 November 2013 23: 41
          +1
          Most likely they will stuff each other. You just need to control this process, so to speak, to implement the principle of "divide and rule"!
        4. timer
          timer 4 November 2013 13: 02
          +1
          We are going to beat the face of our "fifth column" - to liberasts and shitcrats under the slogan - FOR RUSSIA RESTORED, LIBERASTS AND SCITTERS SHOULD BE DESTROYED. And the article is interesting in its content. supports the slogan, let's start the correspondence, to begin with (my box [email protected]).
  2. Alikovo
    Alikovo 2 November 2013 08: 24
    +6
    The United States is aging out, at least 10-15 years, and they will fall apart.
    1. a52333
      a52333 2 November 2013 10: 00
      +8
      Something you measured a lot for them. belay I would now compare their position with the tightrope walker over the abyss, which had already dropped the pole.
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 2 November 2013 10: 17
        +4
        Where to fall? To fall there must be an alternative. Americans will not build communism, with capitalism it did not work. So the United States will slowly smolder.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 2 November 2013 13: 18
          +6
          Here, just, they will not be able to "smolder slowly" - they objectively have about five pieces from separate states, which will begin to unite after the collapse, I. Panarin, a teacher from MGIMO, back in 1998 rolled out this ball to mattress makers and gay Europeans, , then there was a sea of ​​screeching at that conference, in 2003 M. Khazin and O. Grigoriev published the book "Kanets" Pax Alerikana "or the decline of the dollar empire", where they also described the mechanism that would lead America as a state to complete collapse, but, as we see now, they, as if by notes, run into their abyss. So it is unlikely that they have 10-15 years, as Alikovo wrote above in his comment (1) hi
          1. HollyGremlin
            HollyGremlin 2 November 2013 14: 33
            +4
            I just can’t imagine what the new leadership can offer: let's leave the United States and build a bright future. A reasonable question arises - how? Indeed, most Americans believe in the ideals of the founding fathers. And it seems that the current leadership is not moving far from them, but the economy is shaking, the prestige of the United States is falling, the zone of influence is shrinking. It seems to me that the United States will collapse in 10 years (or less) if they are shaken (such a tendency has been outlined ghostly). But you also need to be able to swing it: otherwise they shake it in different directions, as a result, it does not fall yet, but let's hope that it rumbles quickly.
            1. alone
              alone 2 November 2013 19: 20
              +2
              [quote] Is the twenty-year performance "Russia-USA" coming to an end? [/ quote

              maybe someone doesn’t know, I’ll give a note. The Marlezon ballet consists of 16 acts.

              the twenty-year-old performance will continue. As yet, the third part of the aforementioned ballet has yet to be played.
            2. wasjasibirjac
              wasjasibirjac 2 November 2013 21: 20
              +3
              Quote: HollyGremlin
              let's leave the usa and build a bright future. A reasonable question arises - how? Indeed, most Americans believe in the ideals of the founding fathers.

              Texas seemed to be seriously discussing the issue of secession from the United States and the creation of its own state, following the "precepts of the founding fathers", now something has quieted down the discussion, but the topic is interesting and very promising ...
          2. timer
            timer 4 November 2013 13: 42
            +1
            I will not speculate on the coffee grounds to determine the timing of the fall; I see this situation through the prism of the struggle between the Rothschild and Rockefeller clans. The situation with a unipolar world and one world currency is ordered. This is beneficial to the Rothschilds. That is why they support Putin's striving for multipolarity and a basket of 5-6 world currencies. This is in short. As for the internal situation in the United States itself, it is necessary to strengthen separatist sentiments by all possible methods some states on the collapse of the country (for example, Texas). This will kill several "birds with one stone." And we will create problems for the Rockefellers, which will also be very good!
        2. scrack
          scrack 2 November 2013 23: 45
          +2
          Typically, the collapse is accompanied by a civil war of various sizes, then a dictator appears in the thick of events, who stops the bacchanalia with iron and blood
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 4 November 2013 20: 12
          0
          Quote: HollyGremlin
          Americans will not build communism, with capitalism it did not work. So the United States will slowly smolder.

          They cannot smolder in any way, they turned such a hive to the east. They either immediately into the coffin or quickly build a new empire!
  3. rrrd
    rrrd 2 November 2013 08: 24
    +4
    Read thanks!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 November 2013 08: 34
      12
      Quote: rrrd
      Read thanks!

      the same opinion. what did the author want to say?
      The Supreme Council, led by Ruslan Khasbulatov with the support of Russia's vice president, Alexander Rutsky, became a stronghold for those who believed that the collapse of the USSR was a crime against the people. The bulk of the Supreme Council consisted mainly of communists and socialists, as well as those who were opposed to the capitalist system. The Supreme Council also supported most of the nationalist movements.

      what the hell? what elkin, what hasbulat gnawed one bone. and argued among themselves, who from which side to gnaw. and about caring for the people, as it is with Zadornov, "you do not need to shaggy grandmother."
    2. gsg955
      gsg955 2 November 2013 10: 06
      +3
      Full satisfaction from the read.
      1. Renat
        Renat 2 November 2013 11: 13
        +3
        The article is huge +. I would like to include theses of this kind in the new history textbook now being developed.
        1. Guilty
          Guilty 2 November 2013 17: 44
          +1
          God forbid to put this nonsense in textbooks. When I read, I got the impression that the article was unsuccessfully translated. Or the author does not speak Russian. Yes, and a lot of distortion. I don’t remember the 93rd civil war (somehow I didn’t put it in my memory).
          1. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 2 November 2013 21: 22
            +2
            Quote: Guilty
            I don’t remember the 93rd civil war (somehow I didn’t put it in my memory).

            do you remember the crimson jackets? so it was the uniform of the "new chekists". and how many people died in those "criminal wars", if less than in the civil one, then not by many
            1. Guilty
              Guilty 2 November 2013 23: 00
              +2
              Crime war oh how different from civil war. And in the article black in Russian is written-CIVIL. Heh, the jackets reminded me ... A friend I used to wear ... Not for long crying
          2. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 3 November 2013 00: 39
            -4
            Quote: Guilty
            I don’t remember the 93rd civil war (somehow I didn’t put it in my memory).

            Excuse me, but you probably walked under the table in the 93rd .....
            1. Guilty
              Guilty 3 November 2013 07: 41
              +2
              No, dear, just not on foot. I also reached puberty at that time. No need to get personal. And in general, are we discussing an article or finding out from whom what kind of furniture and height?
              1. ziqzaq
                ziqzaq 3 November 2013 15: 08
                +1
                Quote: Guilty
                No need to get personal.

                I’m sorry if I hurt you, I just lost friends at that time ...
                And what was your opinion then? It is good of course that it did not concern you .....
          3. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 3 November 2013 21: 54
            +3
            I don’t remember the 93rd civil war (somehow I didn’t put it in my memory).

            You have a shitty memory. request
            1. Guilty
              Guilty 4 November 2013 07: 33
              +1
              So if you have an order with memory, remind the sclerotic episodes of that same war. About October, don’t; tanks on the streets are not a war (civil); about the shooting of the Supreme Council, there’s also no need, not an argument. Just have something to compare. 1918-1922.
              1. saha6052
                saha6052 5 November 2013 09: 05
                0
                Maybe there’s nothing to compare, it’s just that you need to know the subject, and the essence of the subject is as follows: from the 18th to the 39th it was knocked out, on a systematic basis, by the Russian Reaction in alliance with the Bureaucracy, which had recently finished off the monarchy, the passionate layer of Russia, intelligence and energy accumulated Russia over the millennium, therefore, for the civil war there are no subjects of the event: classes, classes and even individuality, only socially and professionally close to Stalin-brothers.
          4. akreworpa
            akreworpa 4 November 2013 11: 24
            +1
            And I remember. I was on vacation, with my future wife I watched a movie on video and did not know anything. And he went home, my crew picked me up, they brought me home to change clothes and arm ourselves at the base. The worst thing is that then I would have to speak on the side of the government, but I was for Rutsky's soul. I am glad that I just sat the night on the bags and did not have to participate in masochism.
      2. varov14
        varov14 3 November 2013 20: 07
        +1
        Somehow I was not very satisfied with what I read. One force did it, did not complete it, and the second one was completely unfinished. Internal contradictions in Russia itself do not disappear anywhere. Are you watching ads? The "gophers" are lying - a black Renault with black glass drives up, the gophers jump up with lightning speed, put on their tailcoats and in a line "What will you please?" This is a subtle parody of power, when the owner is not present, these "gophers" lie belly up, sexless, polished, well-fed, and most importantly completely stupid.
  4. makarov
    makarov 2 November 2013 08: 30
    25
    in principle, material for deliberation and comparison, but there is also an obvious "overkill", Ph.D. "An interesting fact is that the United States under Obama has become very similar to the USSR during the Brezhnev era, when people experienced hostility and alienation towards each other, caused by the stagnation of a rotten system... The streets of the cities are full of obese military and police officers, while the number of beggars is steadily growing. "
    Something I don’t remember!
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 2 November 2013 10: 14
      14
      I completely agree with you, here the author has an obvious bust or elementary ignorance of the situation of those years ...
    2. xorgi
      xorgi 2 November 2013 11: 18
      +9
      Ahead, I wanted to insert the same paragraph. Probably the author confused Brezhnev and Gorbachev, under Brezhnev we were not on the verge of a crisis.
    3. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 11: 42
      +9
      Quote: makarov
      in principle, material for deliberation and comparison, but there is also an obvious "overkill", Ph.D. "An interesting fact is that the United States under Obama has become very similar to the USSR during the Brezhnev era, when people experienced hostility and alienation towards each other, caused by the stagnation of a rotten system... The streets of the cities are full of obese military and police officers, while the number of beggars is steadily growing. "
      Something I don’t remember!

      Under Brezhnev, I generally saw a policeman only in exceptional cases. Maybe this is their idea of ​​the USSR?
      1. Guilty
        Guilty 3 November 2013 10: 41
        +4
        wink here is the true idea))))
    4. mountain
      mountain 2 November 2013 16: 28
      +5
      I agree, it bothered me. And you can’t imagine such a delirium. And the rest, I agree the United States is not Russia will not stand in turmoil, there is a very big gap in classes. We had this in a revolution. But we guys are standing and our name is Russian.
  5. igordok
    igordok 2 November 2013 08: 32
    15
    Who told you that the Cold War is over?
    1. Simon
      Simon 2 November 2013 10: 42
      +7
      That's right, we only lost the battle, but not the Cold War. yes
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 2 November 2013 12: 36
        13
        Quote: Simon
        That's right, we only lost the battle, but not the Cold War. yes

        - there is such a suspicion. And the collapse of the USSR was more like an adaptive reaction of the system than the death of this system. Well, like a lizard that parted with a tail. Foolishly you might think that everything !, cracks this lizard. ripped in half laughing
        Toko, that tail began to grow quietly in a new way, only the name is different - the Eurasian Union. Fools are Americans, from 1993 to 1999 Russia had to finish off, the drunk president, a country without a rudder and sails, in the process of plunder, and even the recent terrible crisis in the form of a collapsed GKO market. And they thought - the whole process of collapse is irreversible, everything will happen by itself. Something did not happen, the colonel, who is now writing, jumped out from somewhere, and then no one wrote and spoiled all the raspberries. Mlyn, we live in an interesting time. How it will turn around further - no one knows, but damn interesting.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 2 November 2013 14: 48
          +5
          Only now the lizard has been sick for a very long time and the tail grows somewhat ugly in shape.
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 3 November 2013 21: 59
            +1
            As soon as they realized that the lizard did not want to die, they began to "hurt" it very intensely.
        2. edge
          edge 4 November 2013 13: 10
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Something did not happen, the colonel, who is now writing, jumped out from somewhere

          if this is about Putin, then he is a major general and the chairman of the KGB of the USSR went to power.
        3. saha6052
          saha6052 5 November 2013 09: 43
          0
          Yes, Simon, is not sicker than the Author-science fiction writer-storyteller! I had a case in my life: it was a time when, as the Author writes, suddenly out of nowhere, he appeared in his mouth and not only e-s, "he" began to promote: on skis without props, on a fighter - as a co-pilot, etc., and my little daughter studied in Kherson at a preparatory university and had a director-mistress (then still a comrade) Shkalikova, and after a parent meeting she invited me to her cabinet-to talk about the affairs of our mournful-parenting and about nothing (two Russians will gather to talk-philosophers, gather a meeting on the forum-a crowd of idiots). And I remember she says: Sasha, I hope so much for the Path-Wright, he is so contrasting after the former TRUPOV, lively, dynamic, he will revive the USSR, its authority and power, I got tired of the stream of pathos, the pathos of meaningless hopes and I quietly interrupted her with a joke: and you, Mrs. Shkalikova, did not pay attention to one trifle (the British say hiding in the little things-the Devil!) - he (Putin) was the second in the fighter, and not the first? -or YOU admit that the Kremlin-pr More aircraft and there need simpler skills? -there was bewilderment on her face- "what are the connections here?" The connections are simple: the guys have invested billions of dollars in the expansion of the Dollar! -a "out of nowhere" -two from the casket, the same face -all Did you see his protruding ears? -it is because someone invisible holds them in his hands (we don't see the air? -but this does not mean that he doesn’t) -so and the hands of Karabas-Barabas, who amuses the stupid audience Have you seen empty scripts-the film "Ashes"? Looks at the Yellow Devil day after day, how we cease to be people, we betray the Motherland and close friends! -You need to think about it, and not rusty iron on forums to procrastinate and as soon as not get bored.
  6. patriot2
    patriot2 2 November 2013 08: 39
    +1
    Useful analysis, thanks to the author ...
  7. Dimy4
    Dimy4 2 November 2013 08: 48
    10
    Steel is tempered by high temperature, the people of the country are tempered passing through difficult periods of the life of the state. All this Western pseudo-democratic crush hoped to destroy us, we became only stronger. My opinion.
    1. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 2 November 2013 14: 43
      +2
      Steel tempered by heat

      I fully support you !!! But even steel with a high temperature can be "released" i.e. make it soft! (TCM course) repeat
  8. major071
    major071 2 November 2013 08: 53
    18
    Interesting article.
    -Russia has already gone through an economic collapse;
    -Most Russians support Putin.
    At the same time, the United States is on the verge of economic collapse, and most Americans simply hate their government.

    Come on Obama Huseynovich for a third term! Help the US fall apart completely.
    1. scrack
      scrack 2 November 2013 23: 55
      0
      Similar articles like Obama have already gathered in the media for a third term, following Roosevelt's example. Only that country restored from the Great Depression, and Obama will finish off to the grave
  9. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 09: 32
    10
    ... Over the past twenty years, the political course of America and Russia has changed dramatically, as well as their roles in the international arena ...
    Everything flows, everything changes...
    Who would have thought 20 years ago that China would become a world economic leader?
    The mattresses were so reveling in the victory (?) In the Cold War, they were so shit on Russia (both directly and indirectly) that they did not notice how a small and fluffy animal crept up to the country of equal impossibilities.
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 02
    +5
    Pay attention to the association of Jews with liberals and the mention of homosexuality in the context of drug addicts and prostitutes.

    People can not be fooled repeat .
  11. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 2 November 2013 10: 12
    +4
    So what happens when the bubble of a US empire explodes? It’s impossible to say for sure, but one can hope that no one will come to their aid, as was the case with Russia in 1991.

    I can say the same thing when our "allies" went over to another camp and began to "throw mud at us" after the collapse of the USSR. The same thing awaits America and possibly the collapse of the state.
    1. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 11: 58
      +6
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      So what happens when the bubble of a US empire explodes? It’s impossible to say for sure, but one can hope that no one will come to their aid, as was the case with Russia in 1991.

      I can say the same thing when our "allies" went over to another camp and began to "throw mud at us" after the collapse of the USSR. The same thing awaits America and possibly the collapse of the state.

      And where will these "allies" go when the US "falls"?
      Again We feed them? The French are almost mentally ready to follow De Partier’s example (there is still some of their actress married to the Russian oligarch).
      What if Europeans go to us en masse? Do we need to expel the Tajiks?
      Well, we’ll attach the French in the Krasnodar and Primorsky Territories (grapes grow there - let them do a chat), the Germans - half of ours (or former compatriots, or GDR) will come in handy everywhere.
      And what to do with every little thing?
      1. edge
        edge 4 November 2013 13: 14
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        What if Europeans go to us en masse? Do we need to expel the Tajiks? Well, we’ll attach the French in the Krasnodar and Primorsky Territories (grapes grow there - let them make mud chatters), the Germans - half of ours (or former compatriots, or GDR) will come in handy everywhere. And what to do with every little thing?

        and we still have not mastered the Arctic ....... and Stalin laid the foundation, as he saw.
  12. Kolya
    Kolya 2 November 2013 10: 16
    -1
    sensibly written
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 November 2013 05: 37
      +8
      disagree with articlenegative written stupidly! the facts are mixed up and mixed up, a lot of outright nonsense, although the author's desire to be happy for the country is welcome, but the praises of GDP and the ladies are drawn to a simple "deflection"! shoals on reforms within the country cannot be hidden behind successes in the international arena. No.
      1. zub46
        zub46 3 November 2013 22: 03
        +3
        I agree with you. Explicit search. I will not even write my comment.
      2. saha6052
        saha6052 5 November 2013 10: 10
        0
        As a retired "pensioner": read Andrei Yuryevich and see what is: "you cannot fool the people" -Andrey Yuryevich reminded me of Shura Balaganov - he read idiots and said: no "- this is not Gold, but just scum. The death of traditional models begins from the betrayal and direct complicity of the special services who betrayed the Oath and the people, Judas-revivalist-resurrector? -It would be necessary for Christ to make inquiries-references, there is no worse deception than self-deception.
  13. kadette150
    kadette150 2 November 2013 10: 23
    -11 qualifying.
    As usual: "If there is no water in the tap, then the Jews have drunk." Dear author, stop rubbing one size fits all. And do not look for a scapegoat on the side, but look in the mirror.
    1. teleset
      teleset 2 November 2013 11: 02
      +4
      Ruslan Khasbulatov, Alexander Rutskoi, and others who zashishal USSR. Are heroes yes yes it will be erected monuments to them and called streets. Because they took an oath to defend their country. They fulfilled their duty to their homeland, unlike the rest. And they simply did not know people what they were doing to protect the traitor Yeltsin, we all remember how he pushed the speech while standing on the tank, but after a couple of months on December 2, 1990. it was he who signed the damned law on the central bank of RUSSIA. Our descendants will call this era of liberals as a betrayal and de-industrialization of our country.
      1. washi
        washi 2 November 2013 12: 00
        +7
        Quote: teleset
        Ruslan Khasbulatov, Alexander Rutskoi, and others who zashishal USSR. Are heroes yes yes it will be erected monuments to them and called streets. Because they took an oath to defend their country. They fulfilled their duty to their homeland, unlike the rest. And they simply did not know people what they were doing to protect the traitor Yeltsin, we all remember how he pushed the speech while standing on the tank, but after a couple of months on December 2, 1990. it was he who signed the damned law on the central bank of RUSSIA. Our descendants will call this era of liberals as a betrayal and de-industrialization of our country.

        These "heroes" adopted the decree on the "independence" of the Russian Federation on June 12, 1991. still those.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 2 November 2013 11: 30
      +4
      Is it insulting for the Jews? So there is no need to propagate in the Shulchan Aruch: "kill the best of the goyim."
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2013 11: 52
        -12 qualifying.
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Is it insulting for the Jews? So there is no need to propagate in the Shulchan Aruch: "the best of the goyim - kill

        another reincarnation. The same banned Meil.ru? or Fox with fog?
        The same thing everywhere Jews seemed, coupled with the Talmud and Shulchan Aruch, continue to broadcast, it can help to cope with their complexes --- humiliated and insulted.
        Just try to argue with normal Russian as for non-normative vocabulary, inciting hatred, insults and violation of the rules of the site --- ban. Although you are not in the first.
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      3. saha6052
        saha6052 5 November 2013 10: 47
        0
        The national question, for a Soviet person, a bad form, but the Soviet person was canceled and away we go! -As Lenin said, “feel the aching tooth”, why learn to be a human, I'd better enroll in the Black Hundreds, there’s no need for brains, instead of them a stronger club- enemies of Russia to breed! Well, there will be no Jews, why will it feel better? -And the guys from Madagascar? Well, I am not obliged to love the Fool, even if he is from the Kremlin and a national treasure, like roads, he might not have led: born-Russian, better would have already been born - a Jew, alone, if you can and survive, - and the army!? In one Soviet magazine I read an interview with an Englishman and he told a journalist: you are Russians, the nation of the greatest chess players in the world, but in politics you cannot play not only chess, but even checkers, your national "game" - dominoes! - there are many coddles, laughter, snotty and goats, but as soon as we push the "empty-empty" knuckle greasy as a pig, the humanitarian Trend of all mankind will collapse, really- funny? -this is called -domino effect or Russian contribution to world culture round, facts are stubborn, albeit offensive.
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  15. Migari
    Migari 2 November 2013 10: 36
    +7
    Their "democratic" vaunted press plows tirelessly, the sea of ​​lies and information does not leave the pages of newspapers and television, the common man in the street is completely misinformed about the state of affairs in Russia and in the world, propaganda is not worse than Gebele's.
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 3 November 2013 22: 05
      0
      Goebels the child smokes a little and nervously aside hi
      He did not even dream of such fooling technologies!
  16. 1536
    1536 2 November 2013 10: 51
    +1
    We can only hope for the common sense of our and American peoples. Not a single "third force", whatever it is called, is that we will not be able to play off. And we'll sort it out among ourselves somehow. As for Russia, then, I think, we got a recovery from the disease called "liberalism", which seized most of the Russian intelligentsia in the middle of the 1990th century, which led at the beginning of the 1980th century. to the "October Revolution", and in the XNUMXs - to the collapse of the country. And they got good immunity too! But the danger of recurrences always remains. Because in America, for their property, their land, their home and family, people will simply shoot massively at invaders and "reformers", defending themselves from those who want to destroy and take everything away. We will still think, "comprehend", listen to provocateurs, adhere to different one-day parties that have piled on from nowhere, groups of demagogues-saboteurs, gangster ethnic gangs, etc. And this is a civil war again. First of all, you need to listen to yourself, adhere to common sense in life, work, and not chat, protect your family. It is no secret that in the late XNUMXs, mostly idlers who worked, or rather received money from the state in all kinds of research institutes and design bureaus, laboratories and other superstructure institutions of the Soviet economic system, went out to the streets of Moscow to hold meetings. There were many hundreds of thousands of these Soviet marginals with a higher education, which gave them absolutely nothing and, moreover, turned out to be harmful to their fragile minds. And they had their own "leaders", of course (recently, at our forum, they recalled Academician Sakharov). Read also the biographies of the elite. Now there is no such thing, and there is no soil for the appearance and life of this humus either. And thank God!
    1. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 12: 14
      +7
      Quote: 1536
      It is no secret that in the late 1980s, mostly idlers who worked, or rather received money from the state in all kinds of research institutes and design bureaus, laboratories and other superstructure institutions of the Soviet economic system, went out to the streets of Moscow to hold meetings. There were many hundreds of thousands of these Soviet marginals with a higher education, which gave them absolutely nothing and, moreover, turned out to be harmful to their fragile minds. And they had their own "leaders", of course (recently, at our forum, they recalled Academician Sakharov). Read also the biographies of the elite. Now there is no such thing, and there is no soil for the appearance and life of this humus either. And thank God!

      And who was in Bolotnaya, weren't they the same "office hamsters" and the underestimated "intelligentsia" that did not receive a positive assessment from the people?
      And "consumers", "grabber", thieves have been and will be. The only question is quantity. At the temporary detention center, they self-depreciated by samodonos. After his death, they multiplied.
      1. 1536
        1536 2 November 2013 12: 44
        +4
        I would not compare those "parasite engineers" from the 1980s and 90s with today's "salespeople for I-Phones and I-Pads. They certainly were like cornered hamsters, ready for anything. They were stupefied from lack of sugar on store shelves. and the absence of sausages in the refrigerators. And they didn't care what would happen to the country, because they had nothing to lose. Swamp, they are different in essence. They are afraid of losing what they have. So they came out, as always, deceived, I am afraid that their favorite toys will be taken away from them. I feel sorry for them, really, because they are like little children and do not represent anything. And their whole "movement" shrank in a month. But grabbing and consumerism, I agree, can bring people to trouble.
        1. washi
          washi 2 November 2013 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: 1536
          I would not compare those "parasite engineers" from the 1980s and 90s with today's "salespeople for I-Phones and I-Pads. They certainly were like cornered hamsters, ready for anything. They were stupefied from lack of sugar on store shelves. and the absence of sausages in the refrigerators. And they didn't care what would happen to the country, because they had nothing to lose. Swamp, they are different in essence. They are afraid of losing what they have. So they came out, as always, deceived, I am afraid that their favorite toys will be taken away from them. I feel sorry for them, really, because they are like little children and do not represent anything. And their whole "movement" shrank in a month. But grabbing and consumerism, I agree, can bring people to trouble.

          In any case, pure selfishness. Instead of Russian collectivism, Protestant individualism was introduced.
          Given that the Russians do not accept individualism, and the state policy does not support them, the Russians are beginning to come to Muslim collectivism, and this is already sad.
          And these "children are small and do not represent anything" are no longer Russian, that is, collectivists, and therefore enemies.
          1. 1536
            1536 2 November 2013 13: 52
            +1
            In the end, the enemy must be understood in order to destroy. Then 30 years ago, we did not recognize the enemies in the face of prolific idlers who were ready for anything, because we also did not understand and thought that our country would protect itself from these "mischiefs". Alas, it did not happen, we were mistaken. Writing everyone as an enemy, whose image does not fit into your ideas, is as easy as shelling pears. But to pull the enemy over to your side, to make him do your will, and thereby, to make him surrender, finally - this is a real victory. By the way, I.V. Stalin was very good at turning enemies into friends and using them in political struggle for the benefit of the cause. I didn’t understand something about “Muslim collectivism”. I am a Russian person, but, you know, in a public toilet I like to close the door behind me in the booth. Is this individualism? And I didn’t see much collectivism among Muslims. In general, their religion is based on extreme individualism and human responsibility before Allah. And why are these "hamsters" from Bolotnaya not Russians? They are, unfortunately, Russians, but deceived by official propaganda, the media, they are afraid of everything, because they are hamsters by nature and way of life. But they cannot be written off by declaring them enemies.
    2. zub46
      zub46 3 November 2013 22: 06
      0
      Iron tips. Thank.
    3. akreworpa
      akreworpa 4 November 2013 11: 40
      0
      I agree completely. I remember in 1991 I worked at one of our defense plants, and when the strike was announced, I don’t know why, I didn’t go. After all, they paid me money; no one infringed my rights. Why did I have to stop my machines?
  17. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 November 2013 11: 02
    +6
    Strange conclusions ...
    Over the past twenty years, the political course of America and Russia has changed dramatically, as well as their roles in the international arena.

    Nothing has changed over the past 100 years, but, by and large, over the entire 500 years, when the United States was not yet there, but there was already a "Great Game". There is a good movie about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWBo9mEOiaU recommend.
    For objective reasons, these countries have become warring parties.

    This also happened not now.
  18. kadette150
    kadette150 2 November 2013 11: 03
    -1
    Well, as usual: "If there is no water in the tap, then you have drunk * ids." Stop scratching everyone with the same brush and blaming one nation for all your troubles.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 2 November 2013 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: kadette150
      means they drank * ides "

      It is necessary to have a snack, otherwise anti-Semitism seems to be everywhere ...
      1. Guilty
        Guilty 2 November 2013 17: 50
        0
        In-in))))) At work, I feel like it’s shaking, so we also accuse world Zionism.
        "Churchill invented it all in 18th year"
    2. edge
      edge 4 November 2013 13: 30
      0
      Quote: kadette150
      Well, as usual: "If there is no water in the tap, then you have drunk * ids." Stop scratching everyone with the same brush and blaming one nation for all your troubles.

      what does it mean - stop, or you are not a representative of your people, you don’t bear its mentality, you don’t give up your reputation. Moreover, everything is visible by the names of creeping-crawling and over a fair historical period ....
  19. olviko
    olviko 2 November 2013 11: 46
    21
    “The United States went through a twenty-year process of 'Zionization', which peaked on September 11, 2001, when supporters of the New American Century project used their access to the centers of power in the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia to create a new imaginary enemy - Islamic fascism. "

    -The cry of a Russian tourist at the New York airport "ALLA YA IN THE BAR" made 1500 Americans crap, including 19 police officers.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 15: 15
      +4
      -The cry of a Russian tourist at the New York airport "ALLA YA IN THE BAR" made 1500 Americans crap, including 19 police officers.

      laughing good
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 2 November 2013 11: 46
    +7
    The cold war between the USSR and the USA did not end, even after the Union left the political scene. Only America’s hatred has passed to Russia. I think the main reason for this fact is that the Yankees are afraid of strong states. They want to single-handedly rule the world, decide whom to execute and whom to pardon. The struggle around Syria confirms this. The political banditry of America to a certain extent limits Russia. Hence the hatred of the US ruling elite towards us!
    1. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 13: 29
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The cold war between the USSR and the USA did not end, even after the Union left the political scene. Only America’s hatred has passed to Russia. I think the main reason for this fact is that the Yankees are afraid of strong states. They want to single-handedly rule the world, decide whom to execute and whom to pardon. The struggle around Syria confirms this. The political banditry of America to a certain extent limits Russia. Hence the hatred of the US ruling elite towards us!

      I agree that only a normal state can destroy gangsters.
      And if the leadership of our state consists of accomplices of bandits?
      And we do not have 1937 (for some reason, they remember precisely 1937 when they destroyed the party opposition (remember, or read Trotsky)
      1. Ivanovich47
        Ivanovich47 3 November 2013 21: 25
        0
        I think that historical processes (and not only historical, unfortunately) this is the history of our country. Buddy, Vasya, to claim that the leadership of OUR state consists of accomplices of bandits for this we need strong evidence. I think you don’t have them. Vasya be attentive to what you say.
  21. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 2 November 2013 11: 46
    +1
    The article is good despite some controversial points, but the main thing is said: the United States is coming to its finish. Everything that the American people believed in has depreciated and depreciated not by external "enemies", but by its rulers. The author of the article correctly noted that America is on the verge of events that have passed us in the 90s, but it’s not just worth it, but has already climbed into them head over heels! Now the main thing is not to lose vigilance: the wounded animal is even more dangerous! And the GDP has outplayed them all and will do it more than once! The main thing is not to let them take revenge!
    1. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 13: 31
      0
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      The article is good despite some controversial points, but the main thing is said: the United States is coming to its finish. Everything that the American people believed in has depreciated and depreciated not by external "enemies", but by its rulers. The author of the article correctly noted that America is on the verge of events that have passed us in the 90s, but it’s not just worth it, but has already climbed into them head over heels! Now the main thing is not to lose vigilance: the wounded animal is even more dangerous! And the GDP has outplayed them all and will do it more than once! The main thing is not to let them take revenge!

      Children's naivety.
      In addition to GDP, there is still a CROWD who want to maintain their influence and money.
      1. edge
        edge 4 November 2013 13: 36
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        In addition to GDP, there is still a CROWD wishing to maintain their influence and money

        the crowd has loot in offshore and foreign banks, they will be thrown a couple of times (Greece, for example) and enemies cannot be found worse than imperialism ...
  22. nemec55
    nemec55 2 November 2013 11: 56
    +6
    A new teacher comes to class:
    - My name is Abraham Davidovich, I am a liberal. Children, take turns introducing yourself just like me ...
    - My name is Masha, I am a liberal ...
    - My name is Stepa, I am a liberal ...
    - My name is Little Johnny, I am Stalinist.
    - Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !!
    - My mother is Stalinist, my father is Stalinist, my friends are Stalinists, and I, too, are Stalinist.
    - Little Johnny, and if your mom was a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then ?!
    - Then I would be a liberal

    IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF IT WASN'T SAD TO TIRES
  23. optimist
    optimist 2 November 2013 12: 01
    +7
    Article minus. Another propaganda opus about how the great Poo to the unfortunate Obama tore his black sirloin into the British flag ... And not a word about how the unfortunate galley slave rowing everything exclusively to himself and his accomplices. Although the motives for such opuses are clear: the country is on the eve of a global economic and political crisis, and possibly a war. Naturally, it is necessary to somehow "rally the nation". 100 years ago nikolashka made it possible to drag Russia into WWI for about the same reasons. What came out of this venture, I hope everyone remembers. Only down-and-out idiots continue to believe that ebn and gdp are different things. It is the same. It is enough to include elementary logic: would those who destroyed the USSR really allow themselves to "relax" and admit a "random" person to power in Russia? So all these "show for the oohs" are for internal use only. And all these "foreign policy victories" of GDP, upon closer examination, turn out to be a big screech. Take, for example, the chemical disarmament of Syria: if the Syrian neighbors were at least a little restrained by fear of it, now nothing will stop them after the destruction of chemical weapons. And these kids will always find a reason for an attack ... I'm not even talking about the fact that the current Russian government has safely shitted Ukraine.
    1. d_trader
      d_trader 2 November 2013 12: 37
      +3
      The propaganda opum, as you put it, was generally written not by a Russian author, ours simply translated it and the article was originally written not for you and especially not for VO.
      Quote: optimist
      I'm not talking about the fact that the current Russian government has safely shamed Ukraine.
      Somewhere I already heard this .... Oh yes ... only that was about Syria.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 2 November 2013 13: 21
        +2
        and again they brought in an old barrel organ about the guarantor camp and the iPhone camp. this is nonsense. this is one company, and the goals are the same, and the actions are the same, only the words are different and then not always.

        "Take, for example, the chemical disarmament of Syria: if the Syrian neighbors were at least a little restrained by fear of it, now nothing will stop them after the destruction of chemical weapons."

        I agree with the optimist. imagine ebn would agree to part with nuclear weapons, but within a month after its destruction would have found a pretext for an attack on Russia.

        "Propaganda opum, as you put it, was not written by a Russian author."

        this is what is alarming, often the guarantor began to be praised in the Western media, after the agreement on the destruction of Syrian chemical weapons.
        1. HollyGremlin
          HollyGremlin 2 November 2013 14: 57
          +2
          Saying that everything is bad is the same as singing Poo's praises. What can you offer besides Pu? What are you going to build in the country, an ideal society? With us (maybe unfortunately) this will not work for another 50 years, we are full of ideals. Yes, and who told you that Pu came to power without a coup, it was just carried out quietly? Everyone knows that corrupt and poor-minded creatures are in power, but how will you get rid of them from there? Over the 90s, the elite has become so overgrown with demons of all stripes that patience is needed. If Pu had begun to chop off the shoulder, he would have been quickly hanged himself at the Kremlin gates without trial or investigation. You will stretch your legs, the tail will get bogged down, you will stretch the tail, your hands will get bogged down. Perhaps Putin is a rat, but don't give up. I'm sure there is "Ivan" who will slowly but honestly clean the top of the dirt.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 2 November 2013 16: 28
          -1
          And what would prevent the Syrian chemical weapons from bombing the country?
          1. Starfish
            Starfish 2 November 2013 18: 49
            +2
            "And what would prevent the Syrian chemical weapons from bombing the country?"


            and the fact that Syria held it for retaliation against Israel as a deterrent (well, like we have a nuclear weapon). and it doesn’t matter whether Israel itself strikes or the United States, the answer would fly to Israel, which is unacceptable to them and the United States too.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 2 November 2013 23: 04
              +1
              Quote: Starfish
              Syria held to strike retaliation against Israel as a deterrent


              You write complete nonsense. Chemical weapons cannot be a deterrent for one very simple reason - Syria is simply not able to strike at Israel with chemical weapons that would result in serious casualties. Because:
              1. Syria does not have aviation that can overcome Israel’s air defenses and launch a massive strike.
              2. Syria has no other means of delivery that could inflict unacceptable damage on Israel.
              3. Features of the use of chem. weapons consist in the fact that it can be used only in large volumes, at least tens and hundreds of thousands of tons nationwide. For Aum Sinrique can spray a bottle of chlorine in the metro, but this will not scare anyone, and talking about deterrence is nonsense.

              And tell us how Syria can deliver at least 1000 tons of mustard gas or sarin to Israel? By media type and spilled payload.
    2. goldfinger
      goldfinger 2 November 2013 20: 08
      -1
      Neighbor Belarus.
      Quote: optimist
      ... And not a word about how the unfortunate galley slave is rowing everything exclusively to himself and his accomplices. Although the motives for such opuses are clear: the country is on the eve of a global economic and political crisis, and possibly a war. Naturally, it is necessary to somehow "rally the nation." 100 years ago nikolashka made it possible to drag Russia into WWI for about the same reasons. What came out of this venture, I hope everyone remembers. Only down-and-out idiots continue to believe that ebn and gdp are different things.

      Putin's merit is that the money is spent not on treating patients, not on science, in which Russia is 50 years behind the world, not on roads, not on supporting the elderly, and not even on sports for the population, but on foolish satisfaction of their addictions. Ask the citizens of Russia if they agree to the monstrous spending of their money - taxpayers' money - on idiotic projects - the answer is obvious. Only a complete idiot can imagine that the peasants in the villages and the hard workers in the villages clung to the TV, rooting for biathlon, or ski jumping, thanks for this to the father of his own Putin. And yet. As far as I understand, the meaning of the word influence is precisely "to influence, to influence." "Influential" in Russian is practically a synonym for the adjective "authoritative" - ​​a person whose personal qualities make him listen to his opinion. "Influential" in English is a person "who has leverage, forcing (not always by his own qualities) to reckon with his opinion." So, firstly, I would like to know what word Forbes used, and, secondly, to remind you that if you find yourself in a locked room with a monkey that is spinning a hand grenade in its hands, it will become for you the most influential person in the world. until you take this grenade away from her. But after you take it away ... PS Interestingly, at least something will be remembered about Putin in five years after he is out of work for one reason or another? They remember Gorbachev. They remember Yeltsin. Despite the fact that opinions about them are different and often negative, they are remembered precisely as individuals. And Yavlinsky was forgotten for a long time. And about Dudaev - too. Who is "Rutskoi", despite the fact that comrade Putin decided to include him in the history textbooks those who are under 30 and do not know, I suppose. Luzhkov was forgotten two weeks after he lost the mayor's office. Sobyanin will be forgotten even earlier. How long will Putin last in memory? Weather? Year?
      1. saha6052
        saha6052 5 November 2013 11: 53
        0
        You say it yourself: neither education, nor science, hence the humanitarian pride, who will remember the role of toxo-plasmosis in history? rival? - underestimation of the rival is the most important factor of defeat - internal destruction is not only dangerous for the organism activity, but also the most important (dominant) cause of external aggression - its main condition. Any aggression is not a sign of someone's strength, but first of all, someone's weakness, "tough nuts" - not easy to crack.
    3. Botanologist
      Botanologist 2 November 2013 22: 57
      +2
      Quote: optimist
      Only down-and-out idiots continue to believe that ebn and gdp are different things. It is the same. It is enough to include elementary logic: would those who destroyed the USSR really allow themselves to "relax" and admit a "random" person to power in Russia?


      Do not multiply entities unnecessarily. Just try to prove that Putin is the successor of the EBN foreign policy. Not drooling, but arguments.
      1. optimist
        optimist 3 November 2013 00: 18
        +1
        Quote: Botanologist
        Just try to prove that Putin is the successor of the EBN foreign policy. Not drooling, but arguments.

        I hope that in the foreseeable future investigators will do this ...
        1. saha6052
          saha6052 7 November 2013 08: 33
          0
          To be a sober person, you need not be a bananologist, modern, and perhaps after the last world war, there is not a single person left in public politics - real (not-imaginary) Power disdains formal status and puppet powers and prefers to keep "strings" "- and the thread goes into the Darkness, it is sung in a song. Traditional states are going through the decline of their history and the corporate world, softly (in some places, the USSR) and the stormy orange version turns them into nothing (destruction and discrediting, you watch on TV these "Nanai boys? -and compare them with Stalin, a bright traditionalist, who does not allow the arbitrariness of the media against the first persons) - this is not" democracy "spitting and ridiculing the" first persons ", namely, the emasculation of Smyslov, there is no attack on the subconscious of the mass power , but there is a props of imaginary values.
  24. scientist
    scientist 2 November 2013 12: 16
    +4
    In relations between the USA and the West, Russia's foreign policy should use the philosophy of "Aikido", i.e. use the energy of the enemy for their own purposes. Moreover, the stronger the enemy, such as the United States, the more inertia and energy, which means a small change in the vector will lead to a loud drop. In particular, in the USA there are pronounced contradictions in domestic and foreign policy, you only need to push them in the direction necessary for Russia, so that these contradictions lead to collapse.
    On the other hand, there is the closest circle of Russia - these are the CIS countries, the CSTO and just neighbors, here we need the principles of "Judo" ie. tie down the enemy with an advantageous grip and control his actions. First of all, these are cultural, economic and military ties. It is quite natural that an attempt to free oneself from them inevitably leads to popular discontent and a change in the political regime.
  25. 1536
    1536 2 November 2013 12: 22
    +3
    Here is everything about Ukraine, but about Ukraine ... Allegedly, "the Russian government is her * la. Firstly, soon this" power "will preserve itself and the country on which it sits. Secondly, the people say: a crest was born, a Jew began to cry, so let the European Union finally feel the "firm" hand of our "brothers-Ukrainians", and then, you see, the rest of the Slavs will catch up with the common European values.
    1. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 13: 53
      +3
      Quote: 1536
      Here is everything about Ukraine, but about Ukraine ... Allegedly, "the Russian government is her * la. Firstly, soon this" power "will preserve itself and the country on which it sits. Secondly, the people say: a crest was born, a Jew began to cry, so let the European Union finally feel the "firm" hand of our "brothers-Ukrainians", and then, you see, the rest of the Slavs will catch up with the common European values.

      If you studied history, then you know: "Ukrainians", Poles, Baltic, exterminated Jews without the participation of German formations.
      And according to historians, Hitler (only) took measures to evacuate Jews from the territory of the Reich and the formation of Israel.
      The Angles refused to grant Palestinian territory. Then Madagascar was proposed.
      The extermination of Jews began after 22.06.41. These were no longer Jews. These were already Soviet people. Who fought, worked, etc.
      Unfortunately, the "kaganate" of the workers of the allied commissariats, trade, medicine and the "intelligentsia" remained, who did not feel all the delights of the war.
      It was they who later betrayed, having lost the loot on the Stalin-Zverev reforms.
      1. 1536
        1536 2 November 2013 14: 18
        -16 qualifying.
        Vasya, dear, if you are talking about the Holocaust, please read the history of this Nazi Crime against humanity. I assure you, much will become clearer to you. I would compare the Soviet commissars with those who at all times, while in power in Russia, were stuffing their pockets at the expense of the wealth of our country and its people. And nationality has nothing to do with it; rather, the mutual responsibility of some peoples, indeed, is more developed than that of others. Instead of commissars, anyone could be, because the mechanism of our state is such that it constantly gives rise to embezzlers, bribes, etc. outright crooks. And yet, never believe historians!
        1. smile
          smile 2 November 2013 15: 03
          20
          1536
          So you said:
          "The Soviet commissars, I would compare with those who at all times, while in power in Russia, filled their pockets at the expense of the wealth of our country and its people ..."

          Tell me, were you mistaken, or do you really not understand the difference between the employees of the commissariats and the commissars? Do you yourself understand everything here? :)))

          Or do you really believe that the commissars, who often raised battalions on machine guns, thus stuffed their pockets? Instead of commissars, there could be anyone — not anyone, namely, their Germans shot on the spot — don’t you think that they did this for a reason?

          Your phrase: "The mechanism of our state is such that it constantly gives rise to embezzlers, bribe-takers, etc., outright swindlers. And yet, never believe historians."
          In general, a masterpiece, I rarely meet such a frank ... thoughtlessness. You are clearly a representative of that miserable part of the Russian intelligentsia that since the 19th century at all angles it has been wailing that there is no worse country than Russia (USSR) and no worse people than Russians .... that commenting is just a diagnosis. ...

          And finally, and if you do not believe historians ... then who should you believe? You? Anyone who believes that it is necessary to study the history of their homeland from the simple propaganda propaganda of Russophobes? Someone who does not know history and does not want to know?
          Didn't you pick up the idea that historians are lying, and only traitors or empty-headed degenerates who call Russia "this country" are telling the truth?

          And still answer, please, the question, if all historians are bad, then who should study history, plumbers, musicians or managers? :))) It would also be nice if you revealed a terrible secret, and on the basis of whose inventions do you get acquainted with the history of Russia? :))
          1. 1536
            1536 2 November 2013 15: 53
            -1
            What can you say in your defense? Nothing. Everything is exactly "top ten", dear.
  26. major071
    major071 2 November 2013 13: 43
    +8
    olviko Today, 11: 46
    -The cry of a Russian tourist at the New York airport "ALLA YA IN THE BAR" made 1500 Americans crap, including 19 police officers.

    You’re big +, but you need to warn. Got from the authorities on the neck for wild rzhach in the workplace.
  27. rpek32
    rpek32 2 November 2013 14: 18
    +1
    Joke bomb laughing
  28. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 2 November 2013 15: 29
    0
    The problem is that they are twenty years late and this kind of accusation diverges from public opinion in the West, not to mention Russia itself. Any attempt to interfere in Russia's internal political processes was so mediocre and inept that it almost immediately failed.

    But as far as I understand, they did not give up and are now trying to push our heads against the nation on the basis of religious extremism and nationalism. And it will be worse than everything else, and here they have a chance. With our corruption and inertia of the government and at the same time with the activity of radicals of all stripes ..
  29. kush62
    kush62 2 November 2013 15: 45
    +1
    Quote: The first group in the future will be called “supporters of Eurasian sovereignty”, and the second - “Atlantic integrationists”. Or the "people of Putin" and the "people of Medvedev."

    I do not agree with the assessment of Medvedev. It will be correct to write: the people to whom Medvedev belongs.
    I do not think that Medvedev has any kind of huge authority.
  30. Savva30
    Savva30 2 November 2013 15: 56
    +2
    I just read the thriller ... and I realized that we are the best for Putin. And when will we live?
    1. mountain
      mountain 2 November 2013 16: 36
      +1
      After we help everyone to cope with evil, universal. (((
  31. 1536
    1536 2 November 2013 16: 10
    0
    In fact, it is a pity that there is again a division into supporters of Medvedev and Putin, into supporters of "Atlantic integration" and "Eurasian sovereignty." Here are the forces hostile to Russia and achieved their goal: they divided the people into "Own" - "Alien". Moreover, with ease. And a single article is enough.
  32. mountain
    mountain 2 November 2013 16: 44
    0
    And, I believe that no one did not disconnect us. Just some, kings, wanted independence. To get close you need to leave or, as my mother said. To measure it is necessary to quarrel. It would not happen that those who messed with us the most would want to join us.
    1. 1536
      1536 2 November 2013 17: 14
      0
      I run the risk of losing my rating on our forum, which I value very much, but I cannot but answer you, Mr. Gora. It is necessary to understand one thing that when you look at any citizen of your country as a "king" capable of plunging you, your family, your life into the abyss of collapse, terrorist danger, civil war, you must remember that this citizen obeys the same laws, including criminal ones, as you. That is, in this case, he commits obvious illegal actions, the result of which is obvious. Yes, we often see that these people write laws themselves, as they say, "for themselves." But this is the tragedy of the situation that everyone is trying to change. In Russia, the election of power still exists, and in general we have a pretty good idea of ​​who we are going to vote for. But we put a tick in front of the notorious "king". What for? The quarrel at the level of the constituent entities of the Federation can end with only one thing - civil war and collapse. This should be understood by all "lovers and connoisseurs of history" who often so freely transfer everyday conflicts to the state level, confusing themselves and others. Or all over the country we can easily get the situation with the choice in Yekaterinburg.
      1. mountain
        mountain 3 November 2013 11: 14
        0
        At that time, everything was so confused that only today it is possible to give assessments to certain events. I do not think that when Yeltsin signed that paper, he clearly presented the consequences of his actions. It was so bad, and he thought that not one republic alone would survive. And those who took independence, as much as they could carry away, did not think about their people. And somehow, anyway, they survived thanks to Russia. Bullshit and our discontent lies in the following: helping the young we forget about our people. And he, the people, deserved a better share. But there are so many freeloaders and they are all manipulating and asking for loot for friendship, and this is not friendship anymore. ((((
  33. Arkan
    Arkan 2 November 2013 17: 17
    +1
    The Americans will still spoil the air on the planet, but their entire Anglo-Saxon-Roman civilization, in its current form, is on the verge of death. Self-destruction, the loss of imperative, they finish off to Oykumen, and it does not matter how much gold they, at the peak of their power, managed to plunder, it will not go to their descendants, because these degenerates will not be able to keep what they have acquired.
  34. Lindon
    Lindon 2 November 2013 18: 10
    0
    The first group will be referred to as “supporters of Eurasian sovereignty”, and the second - “Atlantic integrationists”. Or “Putin’s people” and “Medvedev’s people”.


    The first group - the Eurasian collection of lands - is understandable. No questions.
    The second group - Atlantic integrationists - is integration with the West in ecstasy of love? I would like to know in more detail how this should look? Will Russia be accepted into the West as a whole or previously divided up to the size of Poland and Ukraine? There was an article about Siberian self-determination.
  35. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 2 November 2013 18: 13
    +1
    As a result, Mankind will unite, but before that several stages will pass. The next is the unification of countries into several unions: Euro, Customs, conditionally Iranian, etc. Amero will also appear in the USA. At a difficult moment of American perestroika, strong Russia will help them I will remember during Clinton’s time they were friendly enough to us, we will answer the same. I can even imagine the flow of emigrants from the USA to Russia, there are a lot of lands, experts will not interfere, along with secrets of a technological and other nature. Snowden, you can say the first public swallow.
  36. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 2 November 2013 18: 20
    +1
    The USSR of the time of Brezhnev, when people experienced hostility and alienation towards each other, caused by the stagnation of a rotten system to the very foundation. On the streets of cities, fat and heavy military and police officers are everywhere, while the number of beggars is growing steadily.

    Actually, we were portrayed like that in Hollywood movie-making. Where does the author come from?
    -Most Russians support Putin.

    Controversial statement. Personally, I have never voted neither for Putin nor for his unity.
    And why support them? Because Russian passports are sold to Gaster? Or for the fact that Ukraine is successfully prosarated?
  37. aakanab
    aakanab 2 November 2013 19: 21
    -4
    The cold war is a bluff!
    As for the Cold War itself, it was a robbery of NATO countries and the US budget itself. Cold War money was stolen by Wall Street. They raised money to fight the communist threat, but there was no such threat. They themselves controlled the entire "camp of socialism." This is the most common fraud - crime!
    The terrible thing is that under this bluff, wars were fought and millions of people were killed around the world. They just killed the gentiles, including the Americans.
    - See more at: http://aakanab.blogspot.ru/#sthash.MtLR0p54.dpuf
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  39. goldfinger
    goldfinger 2 November 2013 20: 23
    -1
    From Minsk. Russian President Vladimir Putin topped the Forbes rating of the most influential people in the world. The 61-year-old politician is ahead of last year's leader, his American counterpart Barack Obama (2nd place) and Chinese President Xi Jinping (3rd place). In total, 72 world political, economic and public figures were included in the Forbes rating. In addition to Putin, Russia is represented on the list by Rosneft President Igor Sechin (60th place), Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev (53rd place) and the country's richest businessman Alisher Usmanov (63rd place). There is one circumstance that allows you not to laugh at the Sith Leader, the Vicar of the Emperor of the Galaxy on planet Earth. This circumstance lies in the fact that this nomination, at the same time, sharply reduced the possibilities of propaganda of patriotic suffering from all intrigues, both "internal and external" enemies of Vilika Putena Russia. Well, judge for yourself. Here the country is ruled by the most influential person not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the world, Obama himself is in second place, and Xi Jinping is in third. All sorts of sechin there are already at the 2th, and the deputy prime minister Medvedev at the 3rd. And how now to blame the insidious State Department with the CIA and NATO, all sorts of crap liberal homosexuals, and even more so from the fifth to tenth internal enemy columns led by Kasparovs, Novodvorsk, bulk and even Chubais, when Prime Minister Medvedev himself is in 60rd place. Small and large state footcloths, where are you, why are you silent? After all, Forbes has deprived you of powerful enemies, such as Obama recruited pusek, Greenpeace pirates, the Baltic states, the Yanukovychs and the Saakashvili. And who is now to blame for the mess in the country? REALLY HIM ?! Shh ... quiet ...
    1. 31231
      31231 3 November 2013 20: 33
      -2
      Fork of Putin's Russia


      If you have any kind of popol, then please be kind enough not to express arrogantly and seriously about the country of the majority of the participants of this site.

      And who is now to blame for the mess in the country?

      In which country? Belarus ?!
      Or can a master get bogged down on the Internet for everyone and everything in the world ?!
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 4 November 2013 11: 33
        0
        As far as I remember, the Treaty on "One State .....", not a CU, has not been canceled. Welcome to Bynet. Happily.
        Quote: 31231
        If you have any kind of popol, then please be kind enough not to express arrogantly and seriously about the country of the majority of the participants of this site.
        1. 31231
          31231 4 November 2013 19: 00
          0
          Maybe give a link to
          Of the Treaty on "One State ....."


          And then I just found this on Wikipedia:
          On December 8, 1999, the signing of the Treaty establishing the Union State was signed in Moscow, and the Program of Action of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation on the implementation of the provisions of the Treaty establishing the Union State was adopted.
          Where did you see the "United State"?
          1. goldfinger
            goldfinger 4 November 2013 23: 26
            0
            Well, let it be, "Union ..... Are you satisfied? Well, well, good. Happy holiday.
  40. Brother
    Brother 2 November 2013 20: 40
    0
    And I know this joke lol , only he was shifted, but now I'm in the know where the legs grow from winked .
    A new teacher has appeared in an English school.
    Goes into the class:
    - My name is Jessica Jonotanovna. Children, I want to know you better, tell me what your name is and what football club you support
    - My name is Jack, I support Chelsea
    - My name is Elizabeth, I support Chelsea
    - My name is Vovochka, I support Manchester United
    - Little Johnny, why are you rooting for "MJ"? !!
    - My mom is a fan of Manchester United, my dad is for Manchester United, my friends are Mancunians and I also support Manchester United
    - Little Johnny, and if your mom was a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then ?!
    - Then I would support Chelsea good

    PS Guys, I have my own atmosphere wassat.
  41. ochakow703
    ochakow703 2 November 2013 22: 21
    +1
    I immediately want to say about the disagreement of the comparison of the thief of Navalny and the genius Sakharov. It’s just unethical to write these two names on the same page! Well, then you can speak about the state of affairs between the United States and Russia. The whole focus of danger lies in the complete frostbite of the Americans, because in order to solve their mercantile problems they will not stop before starting another world (nuclear) war. Here it is to them - like two fingers on asphalt. You will only appreciate all their cynicism and deceit towards the whole world. Slandering and bombing for them has become the norm, and war will breathe life into the economy, and the people will not be able to abandon the imposed idea of ​​protecting shit democracy from Russian bears.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 3 November 2013 22: 18
      +3
      Quote: ochakow703
      Immediately I want to say about the disagreement of the above comparison of the thief of Navalny and the genius Sakharov.

      Why not put Sakharov and Navalny on a par? Wash Sakharov is even worse !!! Being a very authoritative and respected person (a person of conscience and possessing moral principles) in the country, he was actually a conductor of the ideas of the liberal West !!! Unlike the masses of Soviet people, he knew not on TV what Western life is ... It turns out that he promoted liberalism in the USSR in all its glory - drugs, the cult of violence, the cult of money, the cult of sexual debauchery and venality, and the like ... Many believed in his "Bright new changes", "Perestroika", "Glasnost" and other crap !!! All the liberals of the late 80s shouted at every corner how bad the USSR was and how good the West was - but they all really essentially did not say anything exactly how to reform the USSR - that is, the country was destroyed and at the same time we were told tales about reforms !!! In general, all this bacchanalia ended with the famous events of the 91st year ...
      In the late 80s, the USSR stupidly collapsed and this is very noticeable now - many years later in the course of events ... For example: the introduction of the presidency, a double referendum, the adoption of the Declaration of Independence of the RSFSR, unilateral detente, the quiet elimination of pioneers and the Komsomol, and much more - these are all stages of destruction technology ... It doesn’t smell like any reforms - sheer betrayal and a crime against her country and people !!!
      And what are the people who stood at the head of this all? Nothing like Judah - you can’t call it anything else !!!
  42. ser86
    ser86 3 November 2013 01: 55
    0
    somehow you went too far with the Jews)
    I understand that if we get rid of the Jews it will solve all our problems
  43. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 02: 22
    0
    +++In the play Russia-USA, a small ANTRAKT BETWEEN THE ACTS. hi
  44. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 November 2013 02: 45
    -2
    The next act "Struggle for Siberia and the Far East" New character: China.
    see http://inosmi.ru/russia/20131031/214344561.html "Russia's Pacific fate"

    The vital US interests in the Pacific have, in a sense, not changed for more than a century. They need an open door policy and a Pacific region where North and South Americans, as well as Asians and Russians, can mutually cooperate. A full-blown Russian-Chinese strategic alliance, as well as Russia's more or less permanent dependence on China in the Far East, would harm such openness to economic partnership and trade liberalization. If America helps Russia to work more actively in this region, a new and very beneficial balancing element will arise there. Perhaps someday this will help strengthen democracy in Russia and beyond. And this will become a real reboot in Russian-American relations.- what time ... stop
  45. Sharingan
    Sharingan 3 November 2013 09: 53
    0
    The United States will survive in any way, and they had the worst times, the economy was much worse than it is now, and nothing fell apart, there was no civil war. There was a strong leader who led the country out of the crisis. If anything, they will have a new Roosevelt, because the article correctly says that more and more Americans are beginning to realize that the United States is moving somewhere else.
    1. Guilty
      Guilty 3 November 2013 10: 43
      +1
      If only there was no war ...
  46. masterovoy
    masterovoy 3 November 2013 10: 51
    0
    I agree, bravo!
  47. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 3 November 2013 10: 54
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    Quote: MIKHAN
    Little Johnny, and if your mother were a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then ?!
    - Then I would be a liberal.

    And you could love the radical? ... For what? laughing
  48. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 3 November 2013 12: 33
    +3
    And although the Soviet Union decreased to the size of the Russian Federation

    When Russia declared independence, technically only the Kazakh SSR remained the territory of the Soviet Union. And if Nazarbayev had not declared independence (from whom !?), Kazakhstan would have remained the USSR with all the ensuing consequences. drinks
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 November 2013 12: 36
      +2
      Quote: Asan Ata
      When Russia declared independence, technically only the Kazakh SSR remained the territory of the Soviet Union. And if Nazarbayev had not declared independence (from whom !?), Kazakhstan would have remained the USSR with all the ensuing consequences.

      Brilliant. yes
      In legal terms the rightful heir of the USSR with all the ensuing consequences.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2013 12: 45
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        with all the ensuing consequences.

        ... in the form of continuity - Russia is a successor of international rights and obligations former USSR
    2. zub46
      zub46 3 November 2013 22: 18
      0
      Yes, Nazarbayev was simply late for technical reasons with his visit to Pushcha to sign the CIS treaty.
      1. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 4 November 2013 00: 06
        0
        Our handsome one is never late. He's just a top class player. But with independence, he honestly shit. To put the entire load of the USSR on his shoulders - he somehow became restless. Indeed, to be honest, there was no qualified adviser next to him. Therefore, he was late, where necessary, and forgot the Russian language (remember his statement at the State Emergency Committee, urge yourself, spoke like Rashidov, with a terrible accent, confused text, it is not clear - for or against, handsome). This is a difficult person - to become a member of the CPSU Central Committee at 43, throw off Kunaev, then Kolbin, then scatter competitors - smart, worthy, hold out for a bunch of years in power, and not even promise to leave. drinks
  49. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 3 November 2013 12: 53
    0
    In the 1980's, America was more popular than ever: Russian youth created rock bands (many of which became widely recognized over time, such as DDT from St. Petersburg), American fashion and fast food were the dream of every teenager, while the most "intellectually advanced" members of society saw the United States as the "leader of the free world." Of course, internal propaganda tried to represent America as an aggressive imperialist country, but in the end this “campaign" was unsuccessful: most people loved the USA very much. In the text of the song “Goodbye, America” by one of the most popular rock bands of the 90 of the last century “Nautilus Pompilius” there are the following lines:

    To tell the truth, rock bands had nothing to do with fashion in USA, under the name VIA (vocal-instrumental ensembles), they became popular in the 60 years.
    American fashion and fast food (and what kind of abomination is this?) Were popular among the scanty part of the youth, the devoured children of the "creative intelligentsia", shady people, partocrats and other parasites. The technical intelligentsia, workers and peasants were not infected with this scab and the Yankes were simply despised.
    The internal propaganda in the 80's essentially rotted and died and could not give anything convincing to the people.
    1. Sharingan
      Sharingan 3 November 2013 14: 14
      -1
      Quote: Corsair5912
      the peasants were not infected with this scab and the Yankees simply despised

      Nonsense. Despised by the imperialists and empathized with the oppressed American proletariat or the disenfranchised Negro population.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 3 November 2013 14: 45
        +3
        Quote: Sharingan

        Nonsense. Despised by the imperialists and empathized with the oppressed American proletariat or the disenfranchised Negro population.

        We spit on the American proletariat and the Negro.
        Everyone knew that the American imperialists were continuously harming our country, escalating tensions in the world and preparing an attack on the USSR.
        Now we are convinced that we were right, although official propaganda was constant, in the 60-70-s, it was about releasing tension, and in the 80-x, under the spotty Judge Gorbi, about limiting strategic offensive arms.
        The Yankees sneezed on all treaties and on international law, as befits savages.
        1. saha6052
          saha6052 5 November 2013 17: 52
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          "The Yankees sneezed on all the treaties and on international law, as befits savages." - and where were -People? -Observed the "savages?" - it usually happens differently: "Cookies" come and hand out to the savages: McDonald's, Pepsi -cola, chewing gum and even diapers with beads and even, simply, painted glass to exchange for the country, and what do you think? -exchanged, don't you believe? -look out the window. From the beginning there was a lack of confidence- (referendum on the Union) , and then, the feeding began to bring up and it worked! -Chubais shouted in surprise, this is not Africa?
          1. saha6052
            saha6052 7 November 2013 08: 53
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            Naive people, well, these are people who think that -War can be fought only by the force of traditional weapons and do not understand that when the cannons are silent, then the war is allegedly not waged? -Space Stupidity is one of the most important objects of war - the fight is not waged against it only in the trenches, but also in laboratories, institutions, departments, offices and even under carpets and behind skirting boards - "the world" is an illusion of idiots, a way of misleading - disinformation - is that understandable? - or else to clarify and structure garbage in the head. In the light of the above: what kind of Syria-chemistry-goofs? -runs, with a torch in his hand, along the "arc of instability" -The savage, sets fire to dry grass, bushes and heart-rendingly shouts, gentlemen! -I invite you to the next persecution of the Russian Beast! he is quite matured for this - a pet.
  50. Alex63636363
    Alex63636363 3 November 2013 16: 19
    +5
    I hate this Moldavian tricolor. Russians! You were lucky with Putin, and he was lucky with the Russians. Not one step back!