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Mindless optimism or deliberate provocation?

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Mindless optimism or deliberate provocation?Every day is getting closer and closer to November 28. On this day, the Eastern Partnership Summit (summit) will take place in Vilnius, where the signing of an association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union is expected. For several months now, all the media in Ukraine have been persistently convincing their fellow citizens that this is a great blessing for the country and the Ukrainians.


Is it too categorical?

Back in 2005, a publicist book “The Great Last Chance” was published by a Russian writer of Ukrainian origin (born 20 in May 1948 of the year in Kamenetz-Podolsky) - Mikhail Weller.

I will not retell its content (anyone can read this bestseller on the Internet), but, among other things, Michael Weller prophesies the imminent death of Europe.

I will give briefly the main arguments of Weller:

1) Depopulation. Nowhere is there not only a 2,15 child for a woman for simple reproduction, but in general - from 1,7 somewhere has gone down to 1,15. Germans, French, English, Swiss, Italians, Austrians - each of these peoples is a few hundred thousand people less per year. EUROPEANS FASTENED.

2) Ethnic replacement. Africans, Asians, Arabs, Turks, Latin Americans — they travel to Europe legally and illegally, they send countless relatives from their homeland to Europe, and they turn the quarters of municipal housing allocated to them into slums. Behind them - their thousand-year-old ethnic psychology and mentality, their ideas about life and justice - and the arrogance of people of a simple and clear culture, where, if you were not given a face for arrogance, are weak and despicable, you can not be afraid. So, there will be less and less Europeans - but there will be more and more Afro-Asians among them.

3) Guest workers. The Europeans do not want to work on hard, dirty, under-prestigious jobs, if guest workers can be put on them, and sit on social benefits themselves. Migrant workers are already needed by Europe for the maintenance of their work by pensioners and social workers. There are more dependents, and fewer children and workers. EUROPE SUBMITTED ON GASTARBITTERS, AS ON DRUGS. Already do not get down. Otherwise, the standard of living will fall.

4) Transfer production to cheap countries. The third world is rising, creating its working class and technical intelligentsia - and Europe is getting sweet and relaxed. When the countries of the Third World will learn to negotiate among themselves - to turn off the tap Europe will become a matter of technology. The one who works and creates - sooner or later realizes and ultimatum will declare his rights to the lion's share of good and power. Otherwise stories can not be.

5) Europeans are sick. Medicine, social security and humanism played a bad joke with them. Sick babies used to die. Now they live and give sick offspring. A handsome man in Western Europe is the exception rather than the rule.

6) Permissiveness and corruption. Officially allowed same-sex marriage. It is allowed to give up children in such families. Freedom of sex from any age, pornography, nudist beaches are allowed.

7) Art. Class art corresponds to the phase of civilization. Adherents of all varieties of modernism are infuriated by the argument that any fool can do that. THE EPOCH ART IS THE SOUL OF THE EPOCH. In Europe it is the soul of a sick freak.

8) Europeans do not want anything. They want a status quo. So it was like now. Only a little calmer, more satisfying, more comfortable. Good to everyone - more. And excitement - less.

9) Humanism. The absence of the death penalty. What a joy for murderers! What happiness for maniacs! What a relief for heroin dealers! Did the humanists win? In Europe, there are not those who built it and not according to those laws. Our civilization is built by harsh people according to harsh laws. According to the current laws, people with the current psychology could not have created a European civilization. What are the Romans, what are the Germans, what are the Gauls? Voluptuous cowardly shit, not the people. All the way the murderers were killed. And today "the state should not."

10) Weakness of spirit. EUROPE WEAK SPIRIT AGAINST THE EAST. And who is weak in spirit - he has already lost. And in twenty years, every second European will be black and yellow-Islamic. Crime will grow and subjugate power. Drugs and AIDS will be quite a lot. And many Afro-Asians are in power - otherwise racism. Fuel will be insanely expensive. No discipline, but complete anarchy. Life expectancy will fall, and the number of patients will grow. And the third world for the pennies to stop the whites will stop, prices will equalize, the profitability of production will drop dramatically. Another twenty years maximum, and the global economic crisis will shake Europe, ruin businessmen, throw workers on the street, leave socialists without the gratuitous wealth. The knot of contradictions in Europe is getting tighter every day. Degenerate people. Many old people and patients with freaks. Few healthy workers. Anti-reproductive sexual morality. Prohibition of active self-defense of nations against racism, xenophobia, aggressiveness, fascism ...

Mikhail Weller, in my opinion, predicted a very correct development of events in Europe and can only be blamed for the fact that in the 2005 year, promising the Global Crisis in Europe in twenty years, he was a little mistaken. The crisis crept unnoticed already in the 2008 year and today, just eight years after the “Weller's forecast”, it (the crisis) calmly cracks down on Greece, Portugal, Bulgaria, Romania ... We will keep silent about Ukraine.

More recently, I was caught by the material of Valery Lyubchenko, the chief editor of the portal Politica-ua.com, with the title “Isn't the“ garbage ”agreement whether Ukraine will sign the EU with the EU tomorrow?”

The author worked for several years in Poland and decided to talk on the EU topic not with the Warsaw people, but with those who live far from their capital and Brussels exactly in the “paradise” where Ukraine is going today.

Interlocutor Lyubchenko asked not to call the city in which she lives, her first and last name, fearing for her fate.

Mrs. Theresa Kovalskaya’s morning begins at five o'clock in the morning, since she needs not only to prepare her husband for breakfast, but also to wrap a pack of cigarettes for him to work. To herself, she makes a roll-up during the day. It is necessary to smoke all sorts of nastiness, since the cheapest pack of cigarettes in the store costs around zł of 11 (28 hryvnia). And they already said that tobacco prices will rise again and will continue to grow. ” Almost all of her friends smoke cigarettes.

Before joining the EU, the minimum wage in Poland was about 600 zł, today it is at the level of 1180 zł (1 Polish zloty is approximately equal to 2 hrn. 60 cop.) For ten years, the minimum wage has increased only twice. At the same time, the price of the cheapest cigarettes rose from zł of 4 to 11. Food prices are also rising every day. When Poland was not yet in the EU, gasoline was worth 1,5 zlotys, and today on the outskirts of Warsaw the price of 95 is that - 5,19 zlotys! Half of its value is the taxes that the Polish government forces to wind up Brussels.

After joining the EU, the price of electricity also increased. For enterprises, the excise tax on electricity has increased tenfold, and for individuals it has become five times higher than the minimum EU rate! “Kovalskaya” believes that at the expense of the Poles, who have better withstood the blow of the world economic crisis, the European Union is trying to solve its problems in Greece, Portugal, and Spain. Apparently, Ukrainians need the European Union just for this! There was one scapegoat - Poland, and now Ukraine will be added.

Next, the Polish girl told Lyubchenko that she had to quit her job in order to care for her sick mother and for this, as a guardian, the state paid a pension in the amount of 500 zł (1300 hrn.). In addition, her mother needs very expensive medicines, for which her family has no money, and she also needs to pay 700 zł every month for housing, water, gas and electricity. Kovalskaya herself has advanced sinusitis, her husband has a chronic disease, but there is simply no money for treatment.

Work in Poland is the most scarce commodity. Her friend's son is an engineer. After graduating from the academy, he sells accessories to mobile phones, and many of his colleagues consider him lucky. Her sister-in-law works as a cleaner, receiving three-quarters of the minimum wage. But she is afraid to complain to anyone, because she instantly loses her job.

Over the past decade, another scheme has been developed in Poland-protected standards by the employer for deceiving its employees. These are the so-called “garbage contracts” or “Labor agreements”. They do not protect the human right to work and are not considered in court, for they are civil contracts under which people become completely dependent on their slave owner. Therefore, it is this “Labor Agreement” that is the most beloved among unscrupulous employers in Poland today, and there are a majority of such here. A worker who has signed such an “Agreement” does not have the right to leave, a sick-list, etc., but receives as much money as the employer will deign to pay him.

She lives in a house that is over a hundred years old. There is no bathroom. The toilet is located on the landing. To arrange a bathroom in the apartment, you need to pay about 2000 zloty officials for obtaining permission, but there is no such money in her family. To all the difficulties, added the cost of raising utilities for garbage collection. In addition, before taking out the garbage in the yard, it must be decomposed into three tanks (bio-waste, industrial waste and glass). And before you take out this garbage in containers to the street, the waste must be well washed and dried. Otherwise - a solid fine.

In Poland, you can not just take the bait and free to go fishing. First you need to become a member of the Union of Fishermen. Pay a membership fee (PLN zł for a year) and pass the exam to get a fisherman's certificate.

In order to get a piece of land for the garden, to grow some fruits and vegetables for your family, you need to finish the gardener's courses, pay a certain fee and wait for a free garden to appear in the registry of the Union of gardeners. And it will appear only when this Union takes away land from those who do not comply with the norms of planting, vegetables, fruits, flowers, etc. determined by them, the Union. That is, you are not the owner of "your" garden.

In Poland, in order to sell the result of your work, you need to have a whole bag of various certificates and permits. From the very beginning, it is necessary to register your economic activity, otherwise it is a crime. Such registration is necessarily associated with a variety of payments, except for income tax. Income tax a person pays only if it is received. But there are monthly taxes that the entrepreneur is obliged to pay, despite even his losses. This is social security (710 zł). Plus health insurance (261 zł), plus labor fund (54 zł). Together, this is 1025 zł (or 2665 hryvnia). And nobody cares whether you have them or not ...

Finishing his material, the author writes that this is not all that little Poles wanted to transfer to Ukraine from little Ukrainians.

To listen to them. After all, the fate of not one person, but of the whole nation is decided. But today, the behavior of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych resembles the behavior of heavyweight boxer Wladimir Klitschko (25 in March, 1976, Height - 198, see Weight - 109,6 kg), who at the beginning of his professional career, missed the blow, rushed forward, inflicting indiscriminate blows on the enemy, forgetting about protection, until in 2003 he ran into South African boxer Corrie Sanders (January 7 1966, Height - 193 cm, Weight - 102 kg).

Unconditional favorite battle experts considered Klitschko. And the famous commentator Vladimir Gendlin argued that the “age-related” Sanders does not pose a danger to Klitschko. And, indeed, Corrie, with an already noticeable belly, lost to Vladimir, an athlete who resembled Apollo.

But Corrie, for all his limitations in the boxing technique and leaving much to be desired for better physical fitness, had undoubted advantages.

He had the strongest blow and “killer instinct”, that is, the ability to kill the enemy, previously shocked by a strong hit, was left-handed and did not feel the slightest reverence for the achievements of Wladimir Klitschko in professional boxing.

8 March 2003 of the Year in Germany, in Hannover, this fight took place. As a result, in the second round, Sanders defeated Klitschko by technical knockout.

The result of that fight became a tub of cold water on the heads of boxing fans in general and Klitschko fans in particular.

Viktor Yanukovych, stubbornly rushing into Europe and also like Klitschko 2003 of the year, forgets about protection. And the European Union periodically delivers Yanukovych weighty blows that reach the goal. And the last such blow is an unconditional demand to free Yulia Tymoshenko, who is languishing in the “dungeons of the Kharkiv railway hospital,” which is unacceptable for Yanukovych, because then you can more likely say that Viktor Fedorovich will have to languish in dungeons and most likely not “in hospital. " But the most important thing is that in the so-called. “Union of equal European states” Yanukovych forcibly engages the whole country, not wanting to listen to the opinion of the people.

By the way. In 2001, Matthew Brzezinski’s book Casino Moscow was published. The author of the book is the nephew of the famous American political scientist Zbigniew Brzezinski. The author has devoted an entire chapter to Yulia Tymoshenko, calling her “A woman worth 11 billion dollars”. According to Brzezinski, as a result of Lazarenko’s patronage, “Tymoshenko gained control over almost percent of Ukraine’s gross domestic product, 20, and this is an enviable position that no private company in the world can boast of.”

Popular wisdom says "Seven times measure - cut once." "Before you go in, think about how to get out." “Learn wisdom on the mistakes of others” ...

The Communist Party of Ukraine once again proposes to the leadership of the country to insist on the fate of the people and on their own fate before drawing Ukraine into an adventure with the euro association.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 2 November 2013 08: 23
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    Michael Weller is a very respected and authoritative thinker. Yes, only persons from the authorities to read it, well, just once, time is running out, money slobber while rushing.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 2 November 2013 11: 29
      -32 qualifying.
      Quote: makarov
      Michael Weller is a very respected and authoritative thinker. Yes, only persons from the authorities to read it, well, just once, time is running out, money slobber while rushing.


      Only now with the reference to the "communists" I spoiled the whole impression of the article.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 2 November 2013 12: 01
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        Quote: SHILO
        Only now with the reference to the "communists" I spoiled the whole impression of the article.

        And what did they personally annoy the Communists with you? Or are you on the thumb - they all scold them, so I will join?
        MY TIP: Turn on your analyzer and be independent in identifying Heroes and Bastards.
        In fact, only the Communist Party warns about all possible "CHALLENGES" for ordinary citizens of Ukraine from signing an association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union.
        It might be better to take note of the opinion:
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 2 November 2013 12: 50
          -30 qualifying.
          AleksUkr
          And what did they personally annoy the Communists with you?


          An equally stupid question-answer suggests itself to a stupid question: "What did you enjoy?"
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 2 November 2013 14: 40
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            Quote: SHILO
            An equally stupid question-answer suggests itself to a stupid question: "What did you enjoy?"

            Well, at least by the fact that the legacy created by them still cannot be plundered to this day.
            1. SHILO
              SHILO 2 November 2013 16: 14
              +6
              Quote: Garrin
              Garrin

              Quote: SHILO The stupid question naturally suggests itself an equally stupid question-answer: “What did you enjoy?” Well, at least the fact that the legacy created under them has not been stolen to this day.


              Reasonably. But, I’m not about glorious ancestors, but about inglorious descendants. Which besides the name does not connect anything with the idea. hi
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 3 November 2013 08: 30
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                You cannot personify a dozen werewolves in "epaulets" with a whole army of communists - honest, loyal people to the country, people who truly made every effort for the prosperity of the USSR country, and not squandering the country, profiting from it.
                1. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 4 November 2013 13: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: ia-ai00
                  You cannot personify a dozen werewolves in "epaulets" with a whole army of communists - honest, loyal people to the country, people who truly made every effort for the prosperity of the USSR country, and not squandering the country, profiting from it.


                  Sorry, but the number of patriots of their country has always been higher than the number of communists. Do not equate all honest and hardworking people with adherents of a particular ideology.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 2 November 2013 21: 58
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            Quote: SHILO
            An equally stupid question-answer suggests itself to a stupid question: "What did you enjoy?"

            We enjoyed a lot of things, for example, the Ukrainian GTS, on which you still parasitize.
            1. SHILO
              SHILO 2 November 2013 23: 13
              +2
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: SHILO
              An equally stupid question-answer suggests itself to a stupid question: "What did you enjoy?"

              We enjoyed a lot of things, for example, the Ukrainian GTS, on which you still parasitize.


              Well, what is this for? For x ... osracha? It won’t work out with me, I’m not scandalous. It is written above - I'm not talking about the ancestors and the past, I'm about the present. And not about the material. One advises to look at the warning KP, the second to recall how many have not yet been sold, the third choked the pipe. Are you in KP? Touched? Well, I'm sorry non-partisan. The truth has yet to hurt.
              So in order:
              1. I had no relation to the sale of Soviet property.
              2. On gas, I parasitize exclusively in the form of regular purchases of lighters.
              3. The most interesting! Like KP I warn you.
              And you know, my kitty’s warnings on effectiveness are no worse than warnings KP (or KP is not better) - we both have zero effectiveness.
              That's the whole result of the "communists" - not even the cat cried, but the mouse shed a tear.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 2 November 2013 23: 28
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                Quote: SHILO
                Well, what is it for? For x ... osracha?

                You asked a question, the communists did for Ukraine the economy, industry, science, education, etc., cited the example of the gas transportation system with which Ukraine is still blackmailing Russia and receiving dividends for blackmail.
                Quote: SHILO
                So in order:

                Personally, no one is blaming you for anything.
                1. SHILO
                  SHILO 3 November 2013 00: 15
                  +4
                  Do not try to be lost. This question, I want to finish. Why do you diligently not pay attention to what I am talking about the current "communists"? I'm not talking about what they built before the secession and about the communists: Gagarin, Zhukov, Kozhedub, etc., I'm not talking about either.

                  I'm talking about those "formal sweets, including in the issue of European integration," which the current "communists" have been worthy of, and these are:
                  1. Raising a hand in BP against.
                  2. Hanging up billboards calling for a referendum, which I generally consider frenzied cynicism, because they know better than others that a referendum in Ukraine without Pakhan’s permission is not possible.

                  And the question is as follows: What did the current (which are after 1991) "communists" have done "sweet"? And you mean gas.
                  1. DEMENTIY
                    DEMENTIY 3 November 2013 00: 57
                    +2
                    Kostyan, I won’t recognize you! You decided to prove to the current pseudo-communists that they - I don’t even know how to say so as not to offend? Conversation of the blind with the deaf. Go to sleep.
                    1. SHILO
                      SHILO 3 November 2013 01: 04
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                      That yes, something, I'm in shock today. belay Why aren’t we sleeping? what
                      1. DEMENTIY
                        DEMENTIY 3 November 2013 01: 11
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                        I’ll call you back.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 3 November 2013 01: 32
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                    Quote: SHILO
                    And the question is as follows: What did the current (which are after 1991) "communists" have done "sweet"? And you mean gas.

                    While pro-Western politicians rule in Ukraine, the Communists cannot do anything, I am not an expert on the Supreme Rada, but did the Communists in Ukraine have a majority?
                    Quote: SHILO
                    Why do you diligently not pay attention to what I am talking about the current "communists"?

                    What is the difference past or future of these communists? Laws are written by the Verkhovna Rada and the whole question is how deputies are happy to be elected.
                    1. SHILO
                      SHILO 3 November 2013 01: 44
                      +7
                      What is the difference past or future of these communists?


                      This is just a question of principle, since communist - "communist" strife.
                      It's like comparing Stalin and Gorbachev. Both are communists. But one collected, and the other destroyed. So the current tribe is the legacy of Gorbachev and is basically incapable of anything more from the "dad", even though you give them all the seats in the Rada. And by speeches and regionals for the vehicle and the Russian language were. There were. Yes, they swam! To Europe. Together with the kitten.
                      1. SHILO
                        SHILO 3 November 2013 02: 31
                        +1
                        PS You Sergey do not be offended if that is not so. drinks There was a normal discussion. good Without srach and the transition to personality yesand what are the Communists now, as he said (oh, I forgot! what ): All the men in the Patriotic War were killed, some b ... remained. So that does not matter much. hi Good night. smile
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2013 11: 33
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            Quote: SHILO
            "And what did you enjoy?"

            The communists made a huge number of mistakes, one cannot be taken away from them, destroying the old world with its economic relations, they created a new and new relationship suitable for this "world" they created, by the way, quite viable and effective.
            New LevoLutsionLy, having destroyed the old one in the next run, did not create a shit and, with cries of self-regulation, watch how the "patient" dies
          4. Alex63636363
            Alex63636363 3 November 2013 16: 28
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            Durko! You lad just wait. You will kiss .opu. But it will be too late; no one wants to turn down the kantach. I speak the language of your president - urki by the name of Yanukovych.
          5. Simon
            Simon 4 November 2013 10: 38
            +1
            And the fact that they lived better under the communists than now. laughing
          6. Des10
            Des10 4 November 2013 16: 13
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            I mistook you a plus - sorry, d. - minus.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 2 November 2013 13: 08
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          Quote: AleksUkr
          It might be better to take note of the opinion:

          Oh no SO laughing :

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          1. DEMENTIY
            DEMENTIY 2 November 2013 13: 28
            +4
            More relevant!
          2. knn54
            knn54 2 November 2013 17: 45
            +4
            Corsair, in the bullseye! The EU is bursting at the seams, it is necessary to catch the Derban. Otherwise all the Arabs will get it. Our brother hopes to snatch his piece of cake.
        3. alone
          alone 2 November 2013 19: 15
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          Quote: AleksUkr
          And what did they personally annoy the Communists with you?


          Well, the communists are different. For example, Kozhedub. Three times the hero of the union.
          and here is another communist. Gorbachev-Judah. ​​The news was in the party.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 3 November 2013 01: 58
            +5
            Quote: lonely
            and here is another communist. Gorbachev-Judah. ​​The news was in the party.

            And the same Irina Farion, which is characteristic, was also a member of the CPSU. But I would strangle this rot personally. Even though we had the same party cards ...
            1. Don
              Don 4 November 2013 18: 40
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              Quote: Misantrop
              And the same Irina Farion, which is characteristic, was also a member of the CPSU. But I would strangle this rot personally. Even though we had the same party cards ...

              Just strangle a very easy death for her. Here recently, on the Urkain shopping and entertainment center, the d / f was about the ancestors of the Ukrainians, so after him, as usual, they gathered a studio and let's provoke each other. On the one hand, the theological is on the other. It's fair to say. About five times I went out to smoke and about ten times I wanted to launch something on the TV. This pharion is not just not a smart person, but a complete, mentally ballistic person.
        4. timer
          timer 4 November 2013 14: 08
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          I basically have nothing against the Communists, they say the right words. That's just the problem, in active affairs! The Communist Party (and the Russian one too) reminds me of a political dinosaur. A lot of idle talk, but no real affairs !! Where agitation and propaganda are coupled with active folk speeches against the killer course of the current government? There isn’t that. Where a group of leaders (or a leader) enjoying the support of the majority from the Communist Party isn’t there! Here is the result.
      2. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 2 November 2013 16: 39
        +4
        Everything can be, but the theater of the absurd Russia and the outskirts is reaching a new level, and it will be an enemy on the outskirts without a fight, the next Judas of the Slavic world, Slavs, Russians from the outskirts of Russia open your eyes - this is the way to the abyss into the arms of Western Tolerasts.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 2 November 2013 17: 49
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          Quote: AndreyAB
          open your eyes - this is the way to the abyss into the arms of Western Tolerasts.


          At a special meeting with President Viktor Yanukovych, held shortly after his talks with Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, a number of fundamental decisions were made that previously hindered progress in negotiations with the International Monetary Fund.
          1. a significant (up to 60%) increase in gas tariffs for the population. True, not for all consumers, but for the part that consumes more than 3,5 thousand cubic meters of gas per year. The draft new tariff schedule has already been prepared by the National Commission for Energy Regulation (NERC). Amendments to the old Cabinet of Ministers resolution are planned to be approved next Wednesday.
          2.revision of existing social benefits,
          3. a rigorous audit of tax incentives for business,
          4. cutting costs for the maintenance of the state apparatus by almost 19 billion UAH,
          5. long awaited expansion of the hryvnia to dollar exchange rate corridor - while its upper limit is determined at the level of 8,5 UAH per dollar.

          The fact of the development of the above-mentioned program was also confirmed by the IMF, which issued on October 31, following the results of its last mission in Kiev, a special press release. It says, among other things, that the Ukrainian government is developing "a package of proposals on economic policy aimed at correcting foreign economic imbalances and enhancing economic growth."
          Yanukovych agreed to increase gas tariffs and cut benefits for an IMF loan
          Even under Kuchma, sober economists with figures in their hands proved that the IMF is evil. And not just evil, For any country. And again, they will be to blame for this. You will see.
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 2 November 2013 20: 12
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            Quote: Ascetic
            And again, they will be to blame for this. You will see.
            ---- and who else wassat ---- they say that all the Yulkins’s sores and Vstryavalov’s --- are also commie voodoo m-lei wassat
          2. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 4 November 2013 13: 12
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            Quote: Ascetic
            IMF is evil


            Know, Ascetic, and you are right. There is a good book - "Confessions of an Economic Murderer", which describes how entire countries were destroyed and obeyed by economic measures. So, the actions of the IMF are 100% in line with what is described in the book - remember the 90s, when, at the behest of the "advisers", they closed the "unprofitable" city-forming enterprises?
      3. Simon
        Simon 4 November 2013 10: 37
        +2
        Why did you attack the communists like that? Under the communists, Ukraine lived like "in Christ's bosom", but now it is independent. yes
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 4 November 2013 13: 14
          +2
          Quote: Simon
          Ukraine lived like "in Christ's bosom"


          To be precise, she always lived like this - serfdom was abolished in Ukraine earlier than in the central Russian provinces. Earlier, they stopped collecting payments for "liberation from krep.prava", rebuilt the whole country after WWI and WWII, and handed over Crimea. And the result ...
          1. Sour
            Sour 4 November 2013 20: 41
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            Quote: Blackgrifon
            serfdom was abolished in Ukraine earlier than the central Russian provinces.

            Is it possible to link - when was it?
            I am not aware of any peasant reforms specifically for Ukraine.
            In 1819 serfdom was abolished in the territory of present-day Latvia and Estonia. For the first time I hear about some "separate" abolition of serfdom for the territory of Ukraine.
    2. timer
      timer 4 November 2013 14: 03
      +1
      I liked the article-specific. As for the current situation in Ukraine, TROUBLE IS GOING! Yanukovych, an analogue of the drunk Yeltsin, leads the country to ruin and collapse. What will happen after the signing of the agreement will be the collapse of the economy, impoverishment of the people, tremendous unemployment, growing discontent and unrest! there is something that the forces behind this com are striving for. Instead of going closer to Russia, which the majority of the Ukrainian people want, he wants to bind Ukraine to a dying europe (the path is dying, the road is there for her). I just don’t understand why Russia has withdrawn from meshatelstva in Ukrainian are you? After all, the Russian and Ukrainian peoples brothers in faith! Surely the people to such an extent brainwashed, that he does not understand and does not want pomimat that the consequences will be catastrophic ?!
  2. major071
    major071 2 November 2013 08: 26
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    Probably Ukraine's accession to the EU from the point of view of Yanukovych is seen as follows: Ukraine + EU = "paradise life". Maybe this will be so, the question is only for whom?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 08: 45
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      Quote: major071
      Probably the entry into the EU of Ukraine with

      But sho, someone invites Ukraine to the EU laughing
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 2 November 2013 09: 17
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        Signing "pleasures" with the EU does not mean that they have become an equal partner of the EU. The floor of Africa and Turkey were signed, but they remained second and third class states for the EU. Ukraine will be accepted as an equal member of the EU only after Mozambique.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 2 November 2013 14: 09
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But sho, someone invites Ukraine to the EU

        Alexander, you overslept EVERYTHING ... laughing fellow
    2. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 2 November 2013 09: 29
      13
      Probably Ukraine's accession to the EU from the point of view of Yanukovych is seen as follows: Ukraine + EU = "paradise life". Maybe this will be so, the question is only for whom?
      Everything is much simpler, Lousy hopes that the geyropa will not steal from him stolen. After all, they have money, families, homes in the West.
      1. 89501358976
        89501358976 2 November 2013 15: 50
        +2
        But dig deeper .... Cyprus, they didn’t lower it for nothing !! I think this was a warning to thieves, including Yanukovych, etc.
    3. washi
      washi 2 November 2013 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: major071
      Probably Ukraine's accession to the EU from the point of view of Yanukovych is seen as follows: Ukraine + EU = "paradise life". Maybe this will be so, the question is only for whom?

      Why only Yanukovych? Considering the psychological treatment of the population (mass media + school education with "Great Ukrainian" history and literature), a large part of the population there already dreams of an agreement with the EU.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 2 November 2013 12: 06
        11
        Quote: Vasya
        there already a large part of the population dreams of an agreement with the EU.

        Maybe he is also dreaming, like the peoples of Russia, of joining the WTO?
        And who asked them? They were just convinced that
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 4 November 2013 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        there already a large part of the population dreams of an agreement with the EU.

        Yeah, yeah, of course, you live here, of course you know better ...
    4. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 3 November 2013 15: 51
      +5
      The people chose Yanukovych, thinking that there would be a Russia-Ukraine alliance, but in the end it turned out the same as Yushchenko, only from the side request At the expense of such leaders it is necessary to use the hands of their own people. And the people of Ukraine only at forums and vystavitsya. It's time to go out to the streets, and then it will be too late. The "train" will simply go away stupidly !!! Excuse the Geyropen people, you yourself wanted to go there, by your inaction. Only then do not try, like the Balts, that Russia is to blame for everything.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 November 2013 08: 35
    +9
    Something I have a feeling that Ukraine will change its mind at the last moment ... and the TS will immediately enter.! There is a lot of noise .. Putin is pointedly silent, etc. This will be a sensation! And still a debt for Ukraine ($ 800 million) for gazok! Winter is coming soon... bully
    1. Migari
      Migari 2 November 2013 10: 42
      +7
      I must agree that the question is very interesting, intriguing, at least make bets.
    2. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 2 November 2013 12: 12
      +5
      But this is not a card debt! For rejection of the EU, they can write it off, or in extreme cases extend the pleasure with payment - or rather put on a short leash ... In life, anything can happen ...
    3. mountain
      mountain 3 November 2013 13: 50
      +1
      And, I think that Ukraine is sacrificing itself and once it enters the EU, it will completely ruin it and bow to Russia with all this beaver.
    4. alone
      alone 3 November 2013 19: 41
      -1
      I remember how Gazprom demanded that Minsk pay off the debt of $ 200 million and cut
      deliveries by 70%. Do you know what Lukashenka did? He asked Azerbaijan for money for a week. Aliyev gave him the necessary amount with the clause "you will return it when you can and without interest." I think in the case of Ukraine it will be the same.
  4. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 2 November 2013 10: 25
    16
    Several people turned the population of Ukraine into a herd, driven to slaughter! The worst thing is that due to their limitations, the majority does not even closely understand what is happening! Association with the EU is a much bigger scam compared to the Orange "revolution"!
    1. aepocmam
      aepocmam 2 November 2013 23: 31
      +3
      The word Association should be written Association. Maybe then Ukrainians will have vague associations and it will begin to reach them where, in reality, they are going ... and what awaits them there.
  5. a52333
    a52333 2 November 2013 10: 32
    +4
    I didn’t think it was so sad in Poland.
    the minimum wage in Poland was about 600 zloty, today it is at the level of 1180 zloty (1 Polish zloty is approximately equal to 2 UAH. 60 kop.)
    those. about 12 200 RUR? My condolences. recourse
  6. mithridate
    mithridate 2 November 2013 10: 35
    +5
    similar articles are already sore. How much can you procrastinate? And the fool understands that Ukraine will lose by joining the EU. But those in power who don’t give a damn about it, they have their own vision and they will not back down from it. The people for them -
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 2 November 2013 12: 19
      11
      Quote: Mithridates
      And the fool understands that Ukraine will lose,


      The fool is clear. But to the abstruse leaders ... This is another question.
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 2 November 2013 13: 23
        +3
        but not blowing No.
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 2 November 2013 20: 15
          +2
          can blow alive. and in Ukraine such a feeling, the walking corpses in power ......
  7. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 2 November 2013 11: 02
    15
    Much has been said about the signing of the association agreement ...
    but drew attention to the arguments of Weller about the imminent demise of Europe.
    And how are we doing this ?!
    1) Depopulation. / the situation seems to be getting better, but still sad.
    2) Ethnic replacement. / Has not all Central Asia (and not only) arrived in Russia?
    3) Migrant workers. / see point 2
    4) Transfer of production to cheap countries. / when buying ~ 80% of Russian brands you find the inscription "Made in PRC"
    5) Europeans are sick. / Our medicine and education have been killed for over 20 years. No comments
    6) Permissiveness and debauchery. / we hold on, but our media are just the mouthpiece of Western "values"!
    7) Art. / Art ... and where is it? Nothing worthy of being created in Russia after 1991 comes to mind.
    8) Europeans do not want anything. / So they instilled in us so many years that besides the dough, nothing is needed. We begin to see slowly ...
    9) Humanism. / well, the "constitution" of the 90s written by humanists, liberals, Americans is still the main document in Russia
    10) Weakness of spirit. / The only thing that remains is our SPIRIT, RUSSIAN SPIRIT. It’s time to show it already.

    So there is something for each of us to think about.
  8. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 2 November 2013 11: 06
    -9
    Bird ... sorry ...
    Are we rich in erefia? Probably swimming in the benefits and excesses? Listen better to Timur Shaov's song about the 2008 crisis!
  9. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 November 2013 11: 12
    +9
    Blah, blah, blah ... "and the cat Vaska listens and eats." Whoever reads will understand what I mean.
    Well, Yanukovych alone cannot, just as Gorbachev alone, or Yeltsin alone, could take it and arrange it for everyone in spite. Demand is formed, which then creates supply. In this case, there is a demand for geyropeization of Little Russia. fool angry
  10. washi
    washi 2 November 2013 11: 18
    +3
    Yes, let them come where they want. There is a category of people who learn only from their mistakes.
    And after watching Russian TV, I myself begin to spit and there is a desire to take up the machine.
    What to take from the immature minds of the newly created "nationality", which is shown beautiful pictures of "Western" life and those who see news programs from Moscow.
    And education on the outskirts flew even earlier than ours. Those. minimum knowledge, lack of ability to work with literature, lack of logic and analytics. Solid feelings and emotions
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 2 November 2013 12: 29
      +3
      Quote: Vasya
      Solid feelings and emotions


      We were zombified 20 years ago by the vote HEART ...
      But life is a complicated thing ...
  11. AVV
    AVV 2 November 2013 11: 32
    +7
    To be in an association on a par with Mozambique, but to lose all the advantages that Ukraine has from Russia now is insanity, to provide its territory for the sale of goods from the West, but to lose a market for selling your goods in Russia is suicide, to hope for any concessions from the West And to hope for the re-export of Western goods to the territory of Russia, this is madness! But to engage in self-wickedness and prepare a cozy chamber for yourself, because Tymoshenko, leaving the dungeons of Yanukovych, will remember everything, and you can see with the naked eye that the West is betting on her !!! This is "far-sighted" !!! Then go ahead and hold the yellow blockade flag !!!
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 2 November 2013 12: 39
      +2
      Hatred is now cultivated. Ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has always disliked Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, but now this feeling has grown into hatred and anger.

      “The cold shower has already been turned on, but Yanukovych does not feel the temperature. Based on the information available to me, he is not going to release Tymoshenko. Now that she has agreed to the law on treatment, he will most likely put forward some new conditions. Tymoshenko is doing what he can. , and will do something else to sign the agreement, but the thing is that the key to the prison is in the hands of Yanukovych, "the expert noted.
  12. optimist
    optimist 2 November 2013 12: 18
    -12 qualifying.
    They have already debated this topic, however ... Russia (more precisely, its tu.porylaya power) stupidly ruined Ukraine, and now it simply spits saliva in impotent rage. Previously, you had to think. It is clear that it is not the loss of Ukrainian fat that worries: in a couple of years, NATO will be near the Bryansk and Oryol regions. And our fleet will be kicked out of Crimea. It’s just that all these years it wasn’t necessary to wash Ukrainian sweets and other food and not to sell gas more expensive than to the gay people. I myself am an ethnic Ukrainian and I do not want to get a visa to visit relatives ...
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 2 November 2013 16: 26
      +1
      Overheating ?????? Or maybe not a visa but a residence permit ?????
      1. optimist
        optimist 2 November 2013 18: 33
        0
        Quote: nemec55
        Overheating ?????? Or maybe not a visa but a residence permit ?????

        Unreasonably ...
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 2 November 2013 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: optimist
      And our fleet will be kicked out of Crimea.

      It’s interesting, who has grown such a bouncer in order to knock Russia out of Crimea? The Americans were afraid of killing our fleet from the Mediterranean Sea, despite the multiple numerical advantage.
      1. optimist
        optimist 3 November 2013 12: 07
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        It’s interesting, who has grown such a bouncer in order to knock Russia out of Crimea?

        Before you kick yourself in the chest, read about the statuses of the Black and Mediterranean Seas, as well as about the subjects of international law. And there is no need to make complete idiots from the Ukrainian authorities: if these children do this, then there is a meaning that few know about. (I'm just trying to look at the situation from a third angle now). And all these cries and groans of the Russian authorities and the media say only one thing: with its step, Ukraine will firmly step on Russia’s "sore corn", and not that it is a pity for the "unreasonable Slavic brothers" ...
  13. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 12: 54
    +4
    The topic is not new ...
    How many of them fell into this abyss, spread out in the distance ...
  14. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 2 November 2013 13: 07
    +2
    I agree with the opinion of Weller. Horrified Poland. Okay, catch a fish - you need permission.

    But a gardening permit is, excuse me, ... ec. I imagined our gardeners living under the laws of the European Union.
  15. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 2 November 2013 13: 17
    +1
    What will we lose if Ukraine joins the European Union? The fleet, and so it seems, was going to overtake, there are no bases, we are not friends with the government. People are sorry and so ...
  16. Ulysses
    Ulysses 2 November 2013 13: 44
    +8
    Ukraine, welcome to the European Union.
    For you, another perch below the bottom has already been prepared.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 2 November 2013 14: 14
      0
      And now we sit on the guys
      Share talent grants
      The Children of Captain Grant
      George Soros chicks.
      Taken from T.S.Shaov
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 2 November 2013 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        And now we sit on the guys
        Share talent grants
        The Children of Captain Grant
        George Soros chicks.
        Taken from T.S.Shaov

        In this case, probably: "Children of Lieutenant Schmidt" ...
    2. Onyx
      Onyx 2 November 2013 17: 53
      0
      Great Britain needs to be raised above Germany, otherwise it didn’t turn out exactly as it is
    3. alone
      alone 2 November 2013 19: 16
      +1
      wassat as if the former Soviet republics bathed in milk)))) lol
  17. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 2 November 2013 15: 20
    +3
    With a huge number of publications in the media about the integration of Ukraine into the European Union there are no objective economic calculations about the consequences of this step for the country's economy. In almost all publications, present the Ukrainian authorities as repeating an incantation about the "huge benefits" that the country will receive by joining Europe. Has anyone calculated these "benefits"? What kind of life does the country's leadership prepare for the people of Ukraine ?!
  18. shasha
    shasha 2 November 2013 15: 57
    0
    they want it and get it so they all need
  19. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 2 November 2013 16: 23
    +5
    Mindless optimism or deliberate provocation?

    I do not understand why the majority raise all sorts of questions to Ukraine as a country, people of the government with moneybags solve their private issues. The consultants are still the same, and the slogan is the same "abroad will help us." Nobody was going to ask the people anything, and the people are silent. Just like during the collapse of the USSR, now it is called a betrayal. People have cleared their brains (I wanted to say washed out), maybe they put some false hopes.
  20. bilgesez
    bilgesez 2 November 2013 19: 53
    -6
    The article is a fat minus, which scares us the same thing, and even squared.
  21. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 3 November 2013 08: 31
    +1
    Article +, I really liked the "road map" for Yanukovych!
  22. mountain
    mountain 3 November 2013 14: 00
    +3
    Dear ones, you all remember how everything started in Poland. And now 70% of the population is unemployed, but all "panovichs" are without exception. It's not a pity. And now we see the same scenario and the same slogans but in Ukraine. And they spat on someone else's experience.
  23. tomich
    tomich 3 November 2013 15: 14
    -6
    article about Poland, but the impression is that about Russia
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2013 15: 25
      +3
      you smoke a cigarette, we don’t even suffer from the last drunk
      1. Alex63636363
        Alex63636363 3 November 2013 16: 31
        -9
        Come on! Where did you come from so right. He stood up for his drunks?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2013 16: 50
          +4
          I don’t remember what we would drink at the Brudershaft.
  24. tomich
    tomich 3 November 2013 15: 31
    0
    smoke cigarettes with us if you didn’t know
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2013 15: 40
      +2
      I don’t know where it is with you, I live in the countryside, even drunken drunks don’t spin cigarettes
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 3 November 2013 19: 09
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        I don’t know where it is with you, I live in the countryside, even drunken drunks don’t spin cigarettes

        Pancake! But I'm not a beggar or a drunk ... But I smoke cigarettes! An expensive pleasure, I tell you. Tobacco-from 200 rubles a pack, and also a spinning machine, paper, filters ... More expensive than Parliament comes out ... Only nicer than cigarettes!
        Only smoking is bad anyway ... repeat
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2013 19: 17
          +1
          I also thought about the cost, tobacco itself is not cheap, and when you consider that cigarettes are usually shit ...
          but I don’t smoke easier for me, by the way I didn’t understand from the article, there’s nothing to eat, but no one quit smoking
        2. mountain
          mountain 3 November 2013 21: 41
          +1
          You forgot they are in the EU, everything is cheaper for them.))))
        3. nikcris
          nikcris 4 November 2013 18: 41
          0
          Distort smile I have a foam tube and tobacco pouch. Only pleasure is several times more expensive than cigarette.
  25. tomich
    tomich 3 November 2013 16: 17
    -1
    you live richly, there, too, I think not all cigarette-smokers smoke
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2013 16: 21
      +1
      cigarettes, as I understand it, we do not twist from poverty, but out of habit, we live no richer and no poorer
  26. Sterlya
    Sterlya 3 November 2013 22: 45
    0
    I will be surprised if the "developed" countries will forever live parasitizing on all the other "undeveloped" countries. I'm 43 years old. hope to see the end of my life to see the decline of "democracy". all these countries led by the usa shame on the planet
    1. Anti com
      Anti com 4 November 2013 00: 55
      0
      The main thing is not to live to see the decline of human civilization, and the decline of "democracy" is bullshit ...
  27. Ivan Sirko
    Ivan Sirko 4 November 2013 01: 25
    -2
    Poland's GDP per capita is 13 469 dollars.
    Russia's GDP per capita is 14 918 dollars.
    The article is designed for inadequate people.
    PS I recalled an anecdote of Soviet times about the decaying West.
    Still rotting ...
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 4 November 2013 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Sirko
      Poland's GDP per capita is 13 469 dollars.
      Russia's GDP per capita is 14 918 dollars.
      The article is designed for inadequate people.
      PS I recalled an anecdote of Soviet times about the decaying West.
      Still rotting ...

      The GDP of Russia and Poland do not have the slightest resemblance, Russia lives on its own money, and Poland on credit. Poland’s external debt per capita is 2.5 times greater than Russia's external debt. In addition, Russia owes 96 billion dollars to 25 countries of the world, and nobody owes a penny to Poland.
      1. Don
        Don 6 November 2013 14: 18
        0
        Quote: Corsair5912
        The GDP of Russia and Poland do not have the slightest resemblance, Russia lives on its own money, and Poland on credit. Poland’s external debt per capita is 2.5 times greater than Russia's external debt. In addition, Russia owes 96 billion dollars to 25 countries of the world, and nobody owes a penny to Poland.

        And I’ll add that the level of well-being is not determined by per capita GDP. Despite the fact that the population of the Russian Federation is 140 million, and Poland about 40 million, while the GDP per capita of the Russian Federation is still higher.
  28. Damask
    Damask 4 November 2013 12: 05
    +1
    The main thing is that Ukraine would not complain about Russia when it reaps the rotten fruits of its decisions.
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 4 November 2013 12: 31
    +1
    Viktor Yanukovych, stubbornly eager for Europe and, like Klitschko 2003 of the year, forgets about protection.
    Popular wisdom says "Measure seven times - cut once." “Before you enter, think how to exit.” “Learn wisdom from the mistakes of others”

    Spit on Yanuka people and folk wisdom.
    His ideological predecessors in 1918, in order to preserve the power usurped from the people, sold Ukraine to the Germans and themselves invited German troops to the Ukrainian land. In 1941, the "heroes of Ukraine" Shukhevych, Bandera, Melnik and other undead sold Ukraine to Hitler to seize power.
    What moral reasons, against the backdrop of such examples, can prevent Yanukovych from selling Ukraine to Euros and Yankees, because he will be in power, and not someone else?
    And how the people will live under the yoke of strangers, like Timoshennitsa, they don’t give a damn.
  30. nikcris
    nikcris 4 November 2013 18: 08
    0
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: AleksUkr
    And what did they personally annoy the Communists with you?


    Well, the communists are different. For example, Kozhedub. Three times the hero of the union.
    and here is another communist. Gorbachev-Judah. ​​The news was in the party.

    I know many three to five times. And Stalin walked with one star. Prewar.
  31. nikcris
    nikcris 4 November 2013 18: 12
    0
    What an incredible rubbish. The horses-people mingled in a heap. Poland-Ukraine-EEC. The problems of the poor Polish woman in terms of hryvnia. It's good that not for tugrik-shekels. And Weller's "prophecies" what
  32. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 5 November 2013 03: 16
    0
    Quote: Don
    This pharion is not just not a smart person, but a complete, mentally ballistic person

    I completely agree. And here is what another mentally ill person thinks of her:
    1. Don
      Don 6 November 2013 14: 22
      0
      Quote: Vasily Klopkov
      I completely agree. And here is what another mentally ill person thinks of her:

      I watched the video, it's terrible. Where are these stupid people taken? No words, but those that are only obscene. Well, I still understand the underdeveloped pharion, it is Russophobe, but this fat-assed one generally about what? She worships actually people who hate her. And how can she herself so hate her homeland ?!
  33. Poppy
    Poppy 5 November 2013 12: 17
    +1
    in the article, zlotys are converted to hryvnias, and it’s even more convenient to count them in rubles — you need to multiply by 10, 1 zloty = 10 rubles
  34. Cristall
    Cristall 7 November 2013 03: 58
    0
    yes these 2 women - 2 boots of steam.
    Only a boot with the letter F - I would throw it somewhere in the Sun ... let it fire people and scream at the children.
    PS - according to the article - oh hell .. how much can the same article be?
    It's better to continue talking about Oplots ... or about Iskra, or about Krazy, or about ... but you never know news from our country - and then they drive the incomprehensible "trend" EU / CU of the choice of Ukrainians, only to discuss from empty to empty. And so already "one hundred thousand" times