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Iran and Customs Union

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Iran and Customs Union
The project of Eurasian integration proposed by President Vladimir Putin, the direct consequence of which was the Customs Union (CU), gives Russia a chance to preserve the status of a key player in the international arena in the 21st century. The failure of this project faces enormous reputational costs and the final division of the post-Soviet space between the United States, the EU and NATO on the one hand, and China on the other. Much now depends on where the expansion of the vehicle goes - after the mirages or along the path of geopolitical and geo-economic realities.



Naturally, such a high significance of the Eurasian integration process causes the closest attention to the everyday life of the Customs Union. Following the October meeting of the heads of the CU member states in Minsk, they again spoke about the “integration crisis”, about the crisis, both of the Union and its concept. The current arguments about the crisis are rooted in the “Ukrainian question”. Competition for Ukraine between the CU and the EU is, by and large, following a dilapidated course into a place in big European politics, a striving, figuratively speaking, to get into it through a window. Two or three hundred years ago it was really necessary. But times have changed, the 21st century is increasingly becoming the time of the East, the time of Asia, where the world balance of forces and interests is shifting.

Between Turkey and India: throwing a double-headed eagle


A peculiar sign that this is understood in the leadership of the CU was the “exchange” of remarks between Nursultan Nazarbayev and Vladimir Putin, all in the same Minsk. According to Nursultan Nazarbayev, the Turkish president addressed him with a request to join the Customs Union and he personally offers to accept Turkey. And Vladimir Putin, in response, said that “just our guest was our great friend, the Prime Minister of India. He asked me to ask a question at our meeting today that India would like to consider signing a free trade agreement with the Customs union. "

Throwing between Ankara and Delhi ended with decisions on Armenia and Kyrgyzstan, also, however, containing a number of nuances. The terms of joining Yerevan to the CU are not clearly defined. After discussing the so-called “road map” with Bishkek at the end of summer - early autumn of this year, the Kyrgyz side made claims for “compensation” for joining the CU, which, by and large, is a kind of “pay for loyalty” to the Kyrgyz elites.

Failure in political geography and economic pragmatism


Any normal expert has long been asked if the “architects” of the post-Soviet and Eurasian integration are fully familiar with geographical maps. If we analyze the discussions that took place within the framework of the SCO, the CSTO, and now the Customs Union, it is surprising to find that the key power of the region, relations with which are the key to a whole range of problems - the Islamic Republic of Iran - completely drops out of the discussion as a promising member of Eurasian associations.

This “conspiracy of silence” around Iran lies outside the normal political logic. It is possible to discuss the topic of participation in the Customs Union of a NATO member, connected, by the way, with the European Union by an agreement on integration into the common market and entering into a customs union with the EU already from 1995. “How can Turkey be simultaneously within the framework of a customs union of both European and Eurasian?” - no one has such a question. “Why can't Iran take part in the work of the Customs Union?” - such an obvious question is not even posed. And it would be fine with it, with geography, which politically incorrectly reminds that it is nevertheless closer to Iran than to India. In this case, we are talking about the loss of economic pragmatism, which, as we are told, is now the basis of Russian foreign policy.

What does it mean for the Customs Union to join Iran, albeit for the transitional period, as a free trade zone?

First. Iran can become a major trading partner of Russia in the Middle East, an extensive market for Russian machines, equipment, vehicles, metal products and lumber, that is, high-quality products.

Evidence of this showed the period from 2006 to 2011, when trade with Iran increased from $ 2,1 to $ 3,7 billion, with Russian exports amounting to $ 3,4 billion, and imports from Iran - $ 351 million. Actually, the Russian-Iranian turnover itself may jump to $ 10-15 billion in the next two or three years, since a large share of it will be not raw materials, but high-added production and R & D. Given the already accumulated economic, scientific, technical and defense potential of the Islamic Republic, its accession to the Customs Union will give a significant increase in the overall GDP of the participating countries.

Second. Through cooperation with Iran, the CU will gain access to the markets of the Middle East and access to the most important transit routes. It can be said with confidence that Iran’s participation in the CU will make the Customs Union itself an interesting project for the “Greater Iran Zone”, stretching from Arabia to Pakistan, will arouse heightened interest of the East to the geopolitical plans of Putin and his team.

The third.
A free trade zone with Iran will entail the adherence of Pakistan and India to it, and not artificially, as it is now, but in a completely natural way, due to the realities of economic development. The situation with the geopolitical orientation of both India and Pakistan is not fully defined. Washington and Beijing are actively fighting to include them in their zone of influence, and the CU will be for Delhi and Islamabad the best way to maintain a balance in foreign policy, to which both countries are so eager.

Fourth. The domestic vehicle market after the creation of this free trade zone becomes more sustainable with respect to the expansion of Chinese goods, and they will have real competition. China looks at the initiatives within the framework of the Customs Union with suspicion, suspecting Moscow of wanting to isolate itself with protectionist barriers, but its position on the large Eurasian market will change dramatically when Beijing realizes that this market is beginning to form without it. Accordingly, he will have a little more flexibility.

The fifth. Russia, Kazakhstan and Iran, operating under a single economic strategy, have the opportunity to implement large infrastructure projects in the Caspian Sea, which is a long overdue need. There are sixth and tenth in this list of economic benefits. There are only no "New Vasuki", since each item from the above list can be supplemented with specific economic calculations. Now we are not doing this solely due to the fact that the format of our article in this case goes beyond the bounds of reasonable.

Iran, CU and geopolitics


The other day a large conference on Eurasia was held in Seoul, the participants of which stressed: the Eurasian space is one, and its eastern extremity is no less interested in large transcontinental projects than the western one. Practical implementation, albeit only at the level of concepts, is only two of Eurasian unity - the American strategy of the “New Silk Road”, which, in essence, is a kind of “skewer for the region” and is aimed at consolidating Western control of Eurasia. And the Customs Union as a forerunner of the Eurasian Union, ensuring the development of the participating countries in the framework of their own interests. This is proved by several points of the geopolitical effectiveness of the Customs Union + Iran bloc.

Its emergence removes the issue of accession, and most importantly - about the economic prospects of Armenia. Its emergence makes the idea of ​​joining Syria’s Customs Union discussed today a reality. Its emergence will increase the attractiveness of the CU for the rest of Central Asia, since new economic and new transit opportunities will open up for them. And what is probably the most relevant now - its occurrence will stop the gap of the “CIS space”, which is rapidly sliding towards the “point of no return”.

One probably should not even say that a whole range of regional security issues, as, indeed, the architecture of this security will begin to look completely different. Russia and its partners in the eyes of the international community will have the right to intensify foreign policy in a number of regions, namely Central Asia, the Caucasus, Southeast Asia and even the Persian Gulf, since it will be a matter of “protecting economic interests”, action more than understandable for the rest of the world. . The United States and NATO will have severely limited opportunities for expansion and destruction of the existing balance of power in the regions. And not because of the military threat of the Customs Union, but for the simple reason that now this expansion will require huge economic costs, for which neither the United States nor its allies are ready to go.

By and large, the TC + Iran block breaks the Western economic scheme that has developed by now, in which part of the East “drops out” of world economic relations. They are trying to convince us, for a number of states (such as, for example, Afghanistan, Kirghizia, Tajikistan, partly - Mongolia, Vietnam and Kampuchea) today “there is no niche in the production system”. What is the only possible occupation for them is either the transfer of their own natural resources under the control of transnational corporations, or "the development of tourism." So, the TC + Iran block can become an alternative to such geo-economic social Darwinism.

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A nonstandard move, tearing all the templates - the joining of Iran to the CU - is able to radically change the prospects of the Customs Union, making it the most popular and significant project of the next decade. But any integration education, be it the Customs Union, be it the free trade zone “CU + Iran”, requires long and painstaking work. And not so much because it is necessary to work out the political and legal capabilities and powers, adjust the principles of functioning, get used to the new political and legal realities. The main thing here is a clear understanding of mutual benefit and the political will to achieve it, because if the idea of ​​the Customs Union itself causes a negative reaction from the West, then the idea of ​​“TS + Iran” will cause a wave of hatred. However, Russia is now in a position that the approval of the West will not wait under any circumstances, except for a change of regime and complete capitulation. But do we need it?

In an effort to bring relations with Iran out of the impasse, into which they themselves have driven them, the US political elites will do everything to prevent Russian-Iranian rapprochement. Eurasian integration, and, moreover, Iran, which includes the basic element, is a real geopolitical nightmare of the West, which it will try to disrupt by all available means. This can be prevented only by taking proactive steps, by reciprocal initiatives and proposals by the Islamic Republic, which cannot refuse them. And the first steps of the West and the United States, to stop the movement of Iran towards Russia and the CU, will be the abolition of all sanctions and massive investments in the Iranian economy, including such delicate areas as oil and gas, energy, industrial and military-technical.

Cautious optimism regarding the Russian turn to the East is inspired by the words of Sergey Lavrov, who said that "the Customs Union is not a closed bloc, it is open to interaction with other countries." But the declarations today are few. A decisive step is needed that can give a new impetus to Eurasian integration. A qualitative leap forward is needed, which will make the world believe that the CU is serious and for a long time. And through this faith - take seriously the role of Russia in the international arena.
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  1. Sirocco
    Sirocco 1 November 2013 08: 28
    +5
    A good idea, especially since the enemy of our "Partner" is our friend.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 1 November 2013 08: 33
      +2
      TS is an economic association, and "friendship" against someone is not the main thing in it. The economic arguments are interesting. But does Iran itself want this?

      Well, Gaster from there can be cut off by the criterion of ignorance of the Russian language.
      1. Canep
        Canep 1 November 2013 08: 56
        +8
        I do not think that there will be an influx of migrant workers from Iran, they are not living badly anyway. They have a per capita GDP of more than 10000 bucks and is comparable with Kazakhstan (13000). For reference, per capita GDP in Tajikistan is 2500, Uzbekistan is 3500, Kyrgyzstan is 2500, Moldova is 3500, Ukraine is 7500. And I have not heard anything about the Iranian oligarchs, I think there the incomes are distributed more or less evenly.

        Carpets and leather will become cheaper.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 1 November 2013 09: 09
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          they are not so bad.


          In my opinion, you forgot that they are under sanctions! There is no comic inflation
        2. T80UM1
          T80UM1 1 November 2013 15: 02
          +1
          I’ll only say one thing - the Jewish lobby in Moscow, in power ... Everything and Iran will always be in isolation ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 1 November 2013 15: 22
            0
            Quote: T80UM1
            I’ll only say one thing - the Jewish lobby in Moscow, in power ... Everything and Iran will always be in isolation ..

            Believe me, Iran in the CU will first collapse oil prices, I don’t even know - this is the lobby (if any), it’s probably thinking a step forward. although if they accept and the export of Russian oil and gas will suffer --- again, the Jews will be to blame.
            1. Artyom
              Artyom 1 November 2013 19: 17
              +2
              oil prices where? in Russia? I'm not against!
            2. T80UM1
              T80UM1 1 November 2013 22: 37
              +2
              I have a neutral attitude towards Israel; my aunts live there in Tel Aviv, and warmly towards Iran, I met them at home, quite adequate people, their only state across the throat of Israel and the USA is from here all the sticks in the wheels of all alliances with Iran. And yes, in the KZ, the Jewish lobby is also strong, which is worth Mashkevich with its ENRC ... Therefore, Jews simply do not like Muslim-Iranians, and all of them can be understood after the inadequate Ahmadi Najad ... But nevertheless, we are not Jews and do not live in Israel, therefore I am against the Jewish lobby
        3. alone
          alone 1 November 2013 23: 28
          +2
          Quote: Canep
          And I haven’t heard anything about the Iranian oligarchs, I think there the incomes are distributed more or less evenly.


          You are mistaken. Iranian oligarchs are simply no longer in Iran. as soon as the country came under the blow of sanctions, all the big businessmen taking their capital rushed to the west. money does not smell and when there is business and profit, the concept of homeland for the oligarchs is turned off automatically
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 1 November 2013 09: 01
      +1
      There are no enemies in the business!
    3. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2013 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: Sirocco
      A good idea, especially since the enemy of our "Partner" is our friend.

      So far, Iran is under sanctions imposed by the Soviet Union without the UN, for which Russia voted including --- there will be no entry into the CU.
      After adoption in the Customs Union (if it takes place), Russia will be obliged to provide Iran with the most favorable regime both in trade and in the movement of goods. Something from Iran and where it goes, it’s clear even to a dumb one. Oil and gas, as Russia fuck this device is not needed. he will go to Europe and China, of course --- where he will successfully co-operate with Gazprom and Rosneft (I would like to recall the gas pipeline to Europe that must pass through Syria, the project has been approved by all parties and is already being implemented in Iran and Iraq)
      Forward Iran in the Customs Union, the price of oil and gas, down. We saw the branch on which we sit laughing
      I want to remember Zadornov laughing
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 1 November 2013 16: 12
        +1
        And how does this oil and gas from Iran through Russia, excuse me, go to Europe? Moreover, who will buy them? Russia and then reselling is ridiculous. Of course, the entry of Iran is very unlikely in the TS, but even the very possibility causes some ill-wishers to panic.
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2013 16: 22
          +1
          Quote: HollyGremlin
          And how does this oil and gas from Iran through Russia, excuse me, go to Europe? Moreover, who will buy them?

          And that there is no way?
          Who will buy Iranian oil and gas, did you laugh, or do Europeans have preferences for Russia?

          Quote: HollyGremlin
          Russia and then reselling is ridiculous.

          Of course it’s ridiculous, all members of the CU use the unified transport system on preferential terms --- do you hear about this for the first time?

          Quote: HollyGremlin
          but even the possibility itself causes some ill-wishers to panic.

          Who ? I think Europe will be extremely happy if it has cheap Iranian oil and gas.
          Russia probably ---- not very.
          1. Artyom
            Artyom 1 November 2013 19: 22
            0
            oil in the south is lighter than northern oil, which means there is less diesel output, Old Man also wanted to replace Russian oil with Venezuelan, and so what? again buys Russian. He has a tractor, and they are on a solarium. And with the Venezuelan exit it is less!
            1. alone
              alone 1 November 2013 23: 31
              +1
              Old Man knows how to do everything. Venezuelan oil is being transferred to us, which we are pushing to America. Belarus receives 5 million tons of Baku oil in exchange for Belarus)) as they say, the Old Man will not spend it.
            2. atalef
              atalef 2 November 2013 00: 44
              0
              Quote: Artyom
              oil in the south is lighter than northern oil, which means there is less diesel output, Old Man also wanted to replace Russian oil with Venezuelan, and so what? again buys Russian. He has a tractor, and they are on a solarium. And with the Venezuelan exit it is less!

              Waters, after all, are a two-year-old, rightly they are persecuting Russian education. There is light oil (Saudi Arabia), the best in the world, and there is Vinisuela (heavy, with a high content of bitumen and sulfur), it is being driven to America. Belarus cannot process it with its advanced equipment
              Teach materiel laughing
          2. HollyGremlin
            HollyGremlin 2 November 2013 10: 59
            0
            1. There is a way, but isn’t it easier directly through Turkey than through the sea, then Russia, then Ukraine?
            2. I.e. directly from Iran? And what prevents trade without a vehicle, will it be even cheaper? And you will forgive gas on trucks will be transported? You can of course on the piece of iron - for a mad dog 100 miles is not a hook. Nothing that gas pipelines is completely different.
            3. But I'm not talking about Europe, heh heh.
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 November 2013 11: 18
              0
              Quote: HollyGremlin
              1. There is a way, but isn’t it easier directly through Turkey than through the sea, then Russia, then Ukraine?

              Of course there is, only sanctions interfere

              Quote: HollyGremlin
              Those. directly from Iran? And what prevents trade without a vehicle, will it be even cheaper?

              Sanctions sir, sanctions get in the way
              Quote: HollyGremlin
              And you will forgive gas on trucks will be transported?

              Do not try to catch me on the bullshit, the gas will go through the gas pipeline through Syria (the first time you hear about it (
              I didn’t understand your third point, okay
              1. HollyGremlin
                HollyGremlin 2 November 2013 14: 08
                0
                1. Since sanctions interfere, where will they disappear upon joining the CU?
                2. How is the gas pipeline connected through Syria and the vehicle? Especially about him, Gazprom fussed. You said through Russia free gas will go from Iran to Europe?
                So, oil and gas in terms of Iran are not involved in the CU. But Iran’s entry is of course a purely theoretical possibility.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 2 November 2013 14: 26
                  0
                  Quote: HollyGremlin
                  1. Since sanctions interfere, where will they disappear upon joining the CU?

                  And there will be no entry of Iran into the Customs Union, Russia cannot impose sanctions in the UN Meringue, on the one hand, and remove them separately on the other.

                  Quote: HollyGremlin
                  2. How is the gas pipeline connected through Syria and the vehicle?

                  None. And how will Iranian gas in Europe affect Gazprom prices and the attitude to Iran inside the CU (if it is there) --- just turn on the logic

                  Quote: HollyGremlin
                  You said through Russia free gas will go from Iran to Europe?

                  Gas - unlikely - is building a different path through Syria. Oil is most likely. And most importantly, what about the prices? And what do the Russian budget revenues consist of? Cossack mishandled

                  Quote: HollyGremlin
                  So, oil and gas in terms of Iran are not involved in the CU.

                  Of course not, everything is in Europe, It’s necessary to be a roll d.eb.i.l.o.m. to sell Iranian oil and gas inside the vehicle --- To whom? fool

                  Quote: HollyGremlin
                  But Iran’s entry is of course a purely theoretical possibility.

                  Well, theoretically we are millionaires - if you know this is an anecdote
                  -Dad and what is theoretically and practically?
                  - Well, look sonny, go to mom, grandparents and ask "they would
                  I slept with a black man for a million? "
                  Over time.
                  - Dad they all said "YES!"
                  - Here is the son !!! Theoretically, we have a million, and proctically one gay and
                  two prostitutes
  2. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 1 November 2013 08: 31
    +4
    Iran and Customs Union

    Good idea. At the same time, we will develop coastal shipping in the Caspian.
    1. Yura
      Yura 1 November 2013 09: 30
      +4
      Quote: Milafon
      At the same time, we will develop coastal shipping in the Caspian.

      From the Varangians to Persia by boat, an ultimatum to international imperialism. smile
  3. Circle
    Circle 1 November 2013 08: 33
    +9
    "The project of Eurasian integration proposed by President Vladimir Putin, the direct consequence of which is the Customs Union"
    Eurasian Integration Project initially proposed by the leader of Kazakhstan immediately after the collapse of the USSR. However, the key player in this association, of course, is Russia. Since the Iranians took up the pen, it would be nice to thoroughly study the issue.
    1. Canep
      Canep 1 November 2013 08: 47
      +5
      Nazarbayev at EBN spoke more than once about such integration, but that was all up to the lantern.
  4. Valery Neonov
    1 November 2013 08: 33
    +7
    Iran and India are more preferable partners in the CU than Turkey both economically (militarily) and geographically. hi
    1. Canep
      Canep 1 November 2013 08: 45
      +5
      The accession of Turkey is Nazarbayev’s idea, but for this, Turkey must break the agreement with the EU. And Ankara will not do this; economic ties are too vast.
      1. Yura
        Yura 1 November 2013 09: 36
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        but for this, Turkey must break the agreement with the EU. And Ankara will not do this; economic ties are too vast.

        Turkey got lost between the two pines, went to the buffet, and the little belly doesn’t fit and you have to choose what to eat, but it’s hard to choose, so in indecision clutch at one thing after another, it seems that with an abundance of food, the Turks will remain hungry.
    2. artifox
      artifox 1 November 2013 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Iran and India are more preferable partners in the CU than Turkey both economically (militarily) and geographically.

      Turkey is definitely not needed, since it is a huge export of goods to the Russian markets - including re-export of goods from the EU, which everyone fears from Ukraine if it enters the CU. Iran still has more problems than a real relationship, although the economic benefits of this cooperation are very large.

      The most competent move, after all, I think, will be an invitation to India, in part, this will allow Iran to be present in one way or another in the CU. This is influenced by the fact that India does not apply any sanctions to Iran - they have brisk trade, which will thus allow, even if mediation, trade between Russia and Iran.
  5. Alexei
    Alexei 1 November 2013 08: 35
    +3
    Zamakh is good, but it seems to me more reasonable to bring to mind, for a start, what is already there.
  6. makarov
    makarov 1 November 2013 08: 36
    +2
    In order to achieve a complete understanding and draw conclusions, I wanted to know the author, and naturally get acquainted with his other materials, but apart from the information "Iran.ru Editorial, Russian Information Agency Iran.ru", I did not find anything else. It's a pity.
  7. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 1 November 2013 08: 51
    +3
    from the Don.
    Uzbeks, Tajiks ...?! What to pull for themselves, not knowing what they will have tomorrow? Iran is a self-sufficient state. That is what relations should be developed with!
  8. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 1 November 2013 08: 56
    +4
    The third. The free trade zone with Iran will entail the accession of Pakistan and India to it, and not by artificial, as now, but by a completely natural way, due to the realities of economic development

    Pakistan and India in one block? .........

    Washington and Beijing are actively fighting to include them in their zone of influence

    Pakistan is already influenced by China!
  9. Lindon
    Lindon 1 November 2013 09: 00
    +4
    Nazarbayev offers Turkey, Putin - India, article author - Iran -
    The conclusion of the TS is in dire need of another "heavyweight" - the only question is who it will be.
    It is clear Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan - the weight of the vehicle will not increase.
    It looks like the TS is still looking for its second balancing half as in the EU - the Berlin-Paris link is everything. "Childhood illnesses" voiced by Lukashenko and Nazarbayev to Putin in lobbying for Russian goods and protecting their market through Rospotrebnadzor, says that Moscow is not ready to talk on equal terms with Minsk and Astana. Putin wants to see Delhi in the Customs Union as his partner. Nazarbayev woo Ankara. The author of the article in general is Tehran with its Ayatollahs. Not a lot in general.
    1. avt
      avt 1 November 2013 10: 24
      -3
      Quote: Lindon
      Nazarbayev offers Turkey, Putin - India, article author - Iran -

      Actually, the GDP didn’t offer anything, but did what some previously attributed to Nazarbayev, saying that on Putin’s proposal to accept Syria, Nazarbayev prorolled about Turkey.
      Quote: Lindon
      The conclusion of the TS is in dire need of another "heavyweight" - the only question is who it will be.

      No matter who it is, but the TS does not need new members, but banal work, by no means enchanting with the entry of new members. It is just necessary to achieve the fulfillment of the signed agreements and that they would be executed without hysteria.
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Yes, let's immediately divide the globe in half, divide these here, and these here

      That's it, why trifle then.
      Quote: Lindon
      "Childhood illnesses" voiced by Lukashenko and Nazarbayev to Putin in lobbying for Russian goods and protecting their market through Rospotrebnadzor, says that Moscow is not ready to talk on equal terms with Minsk and Astana.

      Who's ready? Is your shirt closer to your body, or do you think that Batka and Nazarbayev are such altruists, they sleep and see what else to do for Russia? There are interests, here in the framework of the existing agreements and defend them without hysterics. And all these groans about infringement on the GDP do not work, I’ve got used to with Old Man in the Union State.
      Quote: Lindon
      Putin wants to see Delhi as his partner in the vehicle.

      I would like to do it.
      Quote: Lindon
      The author of the article in general is Tehran with its ayatollahs.

      Another dreamer, geopolitics and philosophers à la Dugin, seems like a finger in the air to draw, it’s a sweet thing to draw different types of constructions like Turan against Iran.
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 1 November 2013 13: 48
      0
      I’m interested in the author’s opinion about Iran’s attitude towards Russian Muslims. Will Iran support them at a higher level? Still, Iran is a clearly expressed Muslim country.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 1 November 2013 15: 07
        +2
        Amendment, Iranian Muslims are Shiites, Sunni Muslims of the former USSR, terrorists and Islamists preach Sunnism, it is better to have relations with Shiite Iran than with potential terrorists ...
        1. alone
          alone 1 November 2013 23: 35
          +2
          Quote: T80UM1
          Amendment, Iranian Muslims are Shiites, Sunnis are Muslims of the former USSR, terrorists and Islamists preach Sunism, l


          the terrorists preach Wahhabism-jihadism, which even the Sunnis, not to mention Shiites, are not considered Muslims. So everything is so clear here.
        2. atalef
          atalef 2 November 2013 11: 26
          0
          Quote: T80UM1
          Amendment, Iranian Muslims are Shiites, Sunni Muslims of the former USSR, terrorists and Islamists preach Sunnism, it is better to have relations with Shiite Iran than with potential terrorists ...

          But will you change the Muslims of Russia to Shiites?
    3. atalef
      atalef 2 November 2013 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Lindon
      The conclusion of the TS is in dire need of another "heavyweight" - the only question is who it will be.

      Yes, and they are all problematic to one degree or another. It is clear that without Ukraine, the TS - has small prospects and the selection of such countries (for number, no more) in Tajikistan as Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan or Uzbekistan with Armenia - will add nothing but a headache.
      It is not clear why Iran was recorded in the allies? Iran now plays beautifully on the contradictions between Russia and America. But whether Rossiya was and will be an ally and partner is a big question.
  10. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 1 November 2013 09: 18
    -1
    Yes, let's immediately divide the globe in half, these here, and these here. Already, the NATO bedding Turkey is very necessary for us, we cannot do without it. I’m talking about Ukraine ... or handing it over to the Nazis, I’m not talking about the Baltic states. But let’s take Iran into the Customs Union. Why does he need us? To again at the expense of Russia solve their essentially external problems? And Pakistan and India are generally like a cat and a dog, the British knew how to finally leave India to forgive them forgive me. Even having gathered everyone, in such an alliance there confusion and vacillation will come, everyone will pull the blanket over themselves, unlike "partners" who have a clear leader and a rigid vertical of power: Financial oligarchs (US Federal Reserve) → the US government → favorite hangers-on of the US (Germany, Great Britain, Italy, France, BENELUX, etc.) → six hangers-on of the United States (as a rule, former socialist countries) → all sorts of bullshit mongrels who run and bark (for bucks) so as not to offend anyone I will say that one such country was flooded with Nazis, and in another, the presidential elections were recently held.
    1. atalef
      atalef 2 November 2013 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Ukraine ... about, having surrendered it to the Nazis, I am generally silent about the Baltic states. But then let us accept Iran in the Customs Union, but what for do we need it? To solve its essentially external problems at the expense of Russia again?

      It’s absolutely right, I wonder what problems Russia can solve with the help of Iran, but the stone on the neck in the person of Iran with its inadequate ayatollahs and the hatred that it causes throughout the rest of the Sunni world --- will very help Russia to acquire another hemorrhoids.


      Quote: Standard Oil
      Even having gathered everyone, in such an alliance there will be confusion and vacillation, everyone will pull the blanket over themselves, unlike "partners" who have a clear leader and a tough vertical of power

      (+) To you, absolutely right.
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 1 November 2013 09: 26
    +3
    Consider at least Iran or India joining the customs union, as soon as everyone stops thinking and weighing what and why they begin to integrate. Ha, I remembered Ukraine immediately, but they will still be sad.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 1 November 2013 13: 53
      -1
      Well, you can dream. For example, create a vehicle from China, Russia and India. But will Russia remain the main one there?
      And Ukraine will survive, even if there is an alliance from Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Egypt ... well, at least throughout Asia minus Japan, Taiwan and South Korea.
  12. Yura
    Yura 1 November 2013 09: 26
    +4
    It turns out interesting, if you look at the situation of recent years from the outside, then for the entire history we know, for the first time, countries build their relations, the basis of which are not bayonets but common interests, here both security and the economy and scientific and technical cooperation. These countries see their development in this consolidation, the basis for this is fair and equal cooperation, and this applies not only to the East, but also to the countries of South and Central America. Very often comprehending what is happening, we are referring to global changes, for some reason we are shy to say that the key to everything is Russia, everything around it. The scale of this consolidation is abrupt than what was under tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union, the West and the USA see this, it scares them, not for nothing they shout in hysteria that they will not allow this to happen.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 November 2013 13: 03
      -4
      Quote: Jura
      then, for the whole history we know, for the first time, countries build their relations, the basis of which are not bayonets but common interests, here both security and the economy and scientific and technical cooperation.

      Yes, the European Union is a good organization, but why are many here not fond of it?
      1. avt
        avt 1 November 2013 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: vahatak
        Yes, the European Union is a good organization, but why are many here not fond of it?

        laughing Didn’t they confuse us with Greece for an hour? Or with some kind of Bulgarians? We are your EU deep purple.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 1 November 2013 13: 33
          -2
          The fact that the European Union is violet to you, I guess, but what is described in the quoted quote is suitable for the European Union, since it was France and Germany who were the first to decide to refuse bayonets and establish mutually beneficial cooperation. And the vehicle is just a miserable breed, created for the public relations of Putin and Nazarbayev.
          1. avt
            avt 1 November 2013 13: 49
            +1
            Quote: vahatak
            since it was France and Germany who were the first to decide to abandon the bayonets and establish mutually beneficial cooperation.

            Tales for Taraschi, even when they created a mixed-ethnic brigade, no one forgot that Germany was an occupied country and after the departure of Soviet troops was still divided into zones of Angles, Amers and Franks. So bosom friends will take each other completely for Adyk at the earliest opportunity.
            Quote: vahatak
            And the vehicle is just a miserable breed, created for the public relations of Putin and Nazarbayev.

            It is clear that the hatred of the vehicle is foggy, so if we could calmly understand, we would see that the vehicle has nothing to do with the European Union, here EVRAZES, yes, an attempt is similar, but only this is not even an attempt, but a protocol of intentions, which no one especially implements not in a hurry, there is no such possibility with a surge in the construction of national states, small, proud and ancient, building themselves on the basis of claims to the colonial past. Unfortunately, the CU is inflated ahead of time, not having gone through certain development steps to please momentary political desires with dim long-term prospects ...
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 1 November 2013 14: 59
              0
              Quote: avt
              So bosom friends will take each other completely for Adyk at the earliest opportunity.

              Can you give examples of armed clashes within the EU ???
              Quote: avt
              here is EURASES, yes, the attempt is similar, but it’s not even an attempt, but a protocol of intentions that nobody is particularly in a hurry to implement

              This is just called the PR of Putin and Nazarbayev, and the TS is just a new name, because PR always needs fresh ideas.
              1. avt
                avt 1 November 2013 15: 19
                +2
                Quote: vahatak
                Can you give examples of armed clashes within the EU ???

                Do not rush to live, it is not over yet. So far, it is simple, without any regard for "democratic values" in Greece and Italy, they removed the elected governments and appointed "interim managers" from Goldman Sachs. Simple and tasteful, I would have seen if we did this within the CIS with reference to the CSTO, that stench would be about the new imperial manners of Russia, and there was no war there either, and no one fired at the peacekeeping contingent. take out of the crisis "Stronger and no one grunted.
                1. vahatak
                  vahatak 1 November 2013 16: 26
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  took in Greece and Italy, removed the elected governments and appointed "temporary governors" from Goldman Sachs.

                  In Greece and Italy, power changes through elections, and the fact that economic conditions affect elections is not news. However, power has also changed in France.
                  And at the expense of Russia's interference in the internal affairs of the CIS countries, this is an everyday occurrence. Remember how the Russian media slammed Tymoshenko during the elections in Ukraine, we should not forget about organizing rallies in Tbilisi and financing the Georgian opposition. We also have quite a few Putin admirers in Armenia. Incidentally, Armenia’s application to join the CU is due precisely to the fact that our president is afraid for his seat, because Putin just needs to say "face" and all the dogs will immediately start playing.
                  1. avt
                    avt 1 November 2013 17: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: vahatak
                    In Greece and Italy, power changes through elections,

                    And here you should put a minus either for carelessness or for deliberately misleading website visitors. Do you really not know how, after Berlusconi, the European Union pushed the candidacy of the Prime Minister in Italy? Exactly the same as in Greece. Moreover, both Greek and Italian are former employees of Golden Sachs, that is, the proteges of the main creditor of the European Union. Without any elections and other constitutional troubles, for example, the parliaments strained, but nothing more. Well, let alone opposition in Georgia request laughing ... With regards to your president, these are your problems and there is nothing to translate arrows at us, that it doesn’t hurt in Georgia, Ukraine, and other national republics, even in the same Moldova, they are afraid of GDP, that's just something Armenians legs gave way according to your statement.
                    1. vahatak
                      vahatak 1 November 2013 19: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: avt
                      Don't you really know how, after Berlusconi, the European Union pushed the candidacy of the Prime Minister in Italy? Exactly the same as in Greece.

                      After 1945, the government in Italy changed almost 70 (seventy) times, so this is a normal procedure there. The same thing in Greece. And voting in parliament is also an election. I understand that this is unusual for you, because instead of parliament you have a crazy printer.
                      And if in Georgia and Ukraine the intervention of Russia did not give a result, then this does not mean that Russia never interferes in other people's affairs.
                      1. avt
                        avt 1 November 2013 21: 27
                        0
                        Quote: vahatak
                        I understand that this is unusual for you, because instead of parliament you have a crazy printer.

                        Well, kaaneshna, when we, the government, and the local, its own, elected, pushes through its parliamentary majority, elected by the way, decisions are pleasing to it - this is a mad printer. Well, when through the parliament, European commissioners are blackmailing from the outside, we will not give loans if you do not choose the one presented to you. a candidate, in a seemingly sovereign state, is being pushed in spite of the local constitutions - this is a triumph of world democracy, akin to humanitarian bombing. How can we comprehend such heights of "universal" values, such high criteria of pluralism in good health for a long time to come. laughing We’re better in the old fashioned way.
      2. Yura
        Yura 1 November 2013 15: 05
        +1
        Quote: vahatak
        Yes, the European Union is a good organization, but why are many here not fond of it?

        I’ll try to answer, the European Union is more a political association, joining it is fraught with the loss of a large share of sovereignty, the rules for membership in it were worked out by its first members, and all the rest join it on conditions favorable to the founders of this union, there are no equal conditions for everyone neither in the political sense nor in the economic. And the conglomerate itself is not very independent, since most of its members are also tied to NATO membership, hence the decisions of the European Union for the most part depend on the opinion of the United States and its direct pressure, so the EU itself most often acts only as an appendage of this state. That is, partnership here is just an appearance. Well, if it’s rude, it’s something like in ancient Greece, democracy is only for its citizens, and all other slaves or potential slaves, the same with ancient Rome, the same in the modern world, the world has only thrown off the colonial yoke Europe, although not yet everywhere, has not yet passed several decades.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 1 November 2013 16: 34
          +2
          Quote: Jura
          I will try to answer

          Thank you for the answer, but I did not seem to praise the European Union, but simply joked in the sense that the phenomena you have listed for the first time did not take place in the post-Soviet space, namely in the European Union.
          And on the account of inequality within the European Union, no one denies that Germany is no match for Lithuania, but there will also be no equality within any Customs or Eurasian unions. Russia wants to gather a group of satellites around itself. Someone is resisting, someone is not, but that's another question.
          1. Yura
            Yura 1 November 2013 19: 26
            0
            Quote: vahatak
            but I didn’t praise the European Union, but just joked about

            I understood you, and also realized that my post above was superfluous. I would like to ask why you think that Russia wants to gather around itself in the Customs Union of Satellites, because this is a solution to purely economic issues that facilitate mutual trade interests, giving its members advantages over each other compared to countries that are not members of this union, the rules will be the same for all, no supranational government, if this helps to improve the standard of living of citizens of our states, then why not be this union. This is not a military-political union.
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 2 November 2013 13: 02
              0
              Quote: Jura
              I would like to ask why you think that Russia wants to gather around itself in the Customs Union of the Satellites,

              I think so based on all of Russia's foreign policy. If Russia wanted to integrate with countries equal to itself (it’s interesting, by the way, who in Russia they consider themselves equal), they would create something together with the BRICS countries, and not with Belarus and Kazakhstan. It is not a secret to anyone that Russia considers the CIS its gateway (zone of vital interests), where other powers have nothing to do. Look at other integration projects in Russia: CIS, CSTO, Evrazes. In fact, these countries have bilateral relations with Russia, but there are no special ties between themselves. Nothing but Russia unites them.
              Do not forget that Putin published the idea of ​​the CU before the election. I personally think that this is another PR project as a joint state with Belarus.
              Common rules for everyone, etc., of course, this is good, but so far we are seeing more talk than real cases, and it’s difficult to separate politics from the economy in this matter.
  13. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 1 November 2013 09: 28
    +2
    and who says that Iran asks for a vehicle?

    Write an article, but who decides?

    And besides, are there any aspects in this article? There are many other colors in the palette. Iran is not an unequivocal country, far from predictable in its tomorrow's behavior!

    And because of its cockiness, Iran can quarrel with anyone.

    something like this.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 1 November 2013 09: 39
      +2
      He does not ask, but he needs to go. Then he will not throw anything away, he will be kicked out.
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 1 November 2013 13: 56
      0
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      And besides, are there any aspects in this article? There are many other colors in the palette. Iran is not an unequivocal country, far from predictable in its tomorrow's behavior!


      Not only ambiguous, but also brightly Muslim. What if Iran, within the framework of the cultural program, finances the construction of mosques in Moscow?
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 1 November 2013 09: 49
    0
    Iran's immediate entry into the CU will cause a negative reaction in the world, we may be called the "Axis of Evil". It is necessary that first Iran give up nuclear weapons, settle all relations with the IAEA, achieve the lifting of economic sanctions, and then, unexpectedly for everyone, join the Customs Union. I think that Iran understands the benefits of the geopolitical reformatting of the Persian Gulf zone, but they are asking for this exorbitant price for us, and are not ready to provide us with bases (Air Force and Navy) on their territory. Iran claims to be an independent center of power, and it needs to look for a place under our "nuclear umbrella". Economic convergence will inevitably result in a strategic partnership. Iran is not ready for this, it seems they are not averse to choosing the Chinese way of communicating with Russia: to receive samples of modern weapons and copy them under the brand name of their brands.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 1 November 2013 10: 05
      +1
      Iran will never stop creating nuclear weapons, it still needs to be determined somewhere, and neither China nor anyone, with their weapons without us against NATO. In fact, China began to lift its head when we stood up for Syria and immediately began to scare Japan along the Japanese islands. In general, the world is divided into two parts, and Europe will be determined later, but at the moment it is not stronger than China, without Americans.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 1 November 2013 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Iran must first abandon nuclear weapons

      Why on earth? Only after Israel.
  15. Selevc
    Selevc 1 November 2013 09: 51
    +3
    In my opinion, the article is not very - again, projects on a galactic scale !!! TS barely arose and they are already trying to smudge it all over Eurasia !!! It seems to me that the three Putin-Lukashenko-Nazarbayev should pay more attention to the quality of relations within the CU and not to the number of countries-members of the CU !!! Mutually beneficial cooperation - this should be the motto of the TS !!! We steel you - you give us cars, we give you a discount on oil and gas - you give us transit privileges, and so on ... But with Europe you need to pursue a different policy - bow down, hug, assure each other of mutual love - but in fact reorient your ties to the South and East and take only what is beneficial for Russia in Europe ...

    The author of the article constantly mixes politics and economics ... To ensure security, they simply create military alliances and blocs ... And it is high time to cooperate and trade as actively as possible with Iran ... Even if we allow the extreme case that Iran becomes a nuclear power and suddenly imperial ambitions will appear there - all the same, Russia is larger and stronger ...
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 1 November 2013 10: 10
      0
      The article itself is, this question is really brewing and more and more every day. After all, the benefit is obvious to everyone, but the situation is waiting for the first start of one of the players.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 1 November 2013 12: 58
      -1
      Quote: Selevc
      In my opinion, the article is not very - again, projects on a galactic scale !!!

      When Ukraine joins the CU then we will listen to your opinion.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 1 November 2013 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        When Ukraine joins the CU then we will listen to your opinion.

        Here, Ukraine does not specifically enter the CU or not, but the matter lies in the principles of building a union ... If economic relations in the CU continue to develop and flourish, many countries will want to join, and if this remains a paper and cabinet project again TC awaits the fate of the CIS and EuraAses ... Your Enemies just want this and all the Kremlin’s undertakings become a formality ... Do you need this?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 1 November 2013 20: 06
          0
          Quote: Selevc
          Your Enemies just want this and that all the Kremlin's undertakings become a formality ...

          These are your enemies too, as if the Ukrainian government did not stuff these enemies as friends.
          Quote: Selevc
          Here, Ukraine does not specifically enter the CU or not, but the matter lies in the very principles of building a union ...

          Ukraine must join the CU to influence the principles of its construction, this is the meaning of my words
          Quote: Setrac
          When Ukraine joins the CU then we will listen to your opinion.


          Quote: Selevc
          If economic relations in the CU will actively develop and prosper, then many countries will want to join there, and if this remains a paper and cabinet project again, the CU will face the fate of the CIS and EurAsEC ...

          You need to take serious players in the TS to get serious results.
  16. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 1 November 2013 09: 53
    0
    Quote: borisjdin1957
    from the Don.
    Uzbeks, Tajiks ...?! What to pull for themselves, not knowing what they will have tomorrow? Iran is a self-sufficient state. That is what relations should be developed with!

    Absolutely agree! Iran is a country with a literate, cultured population. There is no need to equate Iran with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan or other "countries" where primitive tribal communities prevail! Iran is a country with free education. The level of education, to a fairly high degree, is more than 80 percent! In this respect, Iran is similar to Syria or Egypt, secular states with an educated and cultured society. Iran can become, along with India, a powerful ally and possibly one of the main pillars of the future Union!
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 1 November 2013 10: 19
      +6
      UNION EDUCATION LEVEL INDEX FOR 2012 year from the UN:

      Iran - 112 Place
      Tajikistan - 84 place
      Uzbekistan - 80 place
      Russia - 49 place

      http://gtmarket.ru/ratings/education-index/education-index-info
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 1 November 2013 18: 31
        0
        Quote: Lindon
        UNION EDUCATION LEVEL INDEX FOR 2012 year from the UN:

        Iran - 112 Place
        Tajikistan - 84 place
        Uzbekistan - 80 place
        Russia - 49 place

        http://gtmarket.ru/ratings/education-index/education-index-info

        Russia - 49th place? request Dear Lyndon - everyone chooses their own ratings to taste! wassat But I can give you another rating about education - 24/7 Wall St. You can familiarize yourself! laughing
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 1 November 2013 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
      In this way, Iran is similar to Syria or Egypt, secular states with an educated and cultural society.

      here compared laughing Iran is a secular state))) yes there they chop off their hands on the street .... the mullah regime you don’t know ... on the Garinets right away your lady will be offered a scarf on her head ..... the standard of living is falling every day .... the only more - less is cheap medicine .. and cheap goods and gasoline ..... yes they will flood you with goods ... by the way, at the level of China .....
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 1 November 2013 10: 26
        +5
        In Iran they go to burqa !!!
        There is a religious police - pregnancy without marriage - a death sentence.
        This is a country with a strong influence of religion, like Saudi Arabia.
      2. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 1 November 2013 13: 17
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
        In this way, Iran is similar to Syria or Egypt, secular states with an educated and cultural society.

        here compared laughing Iran is a secular state))) yes there they chop off their hands on the street .... the mullah regime you don’t know ... on the Garinets right away your lady will be offered a scarf on her head ..... the standard of living is falling every day .... the only more - less is cheap medicine .. and cheap goods and gasoline ..... yes they will flood you with goods ... by the way, at the level of China .....

        Dear somsh, why are you changing the meaning? By the concept of "similarity" I meant a formed state structure, a coherent understandable policy, with clearly defined positions and vectors of development! Than in my opinion Iran is attractive to us as a possible ally! And in the energy sector we are already working closely.
  17. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 1 November 2013 10: 01
    +1
    If Turkey or Iran or India joins the CU, this will be a precedent, followed by others. It seems to me that Iran is a very tidbit: given the sanctions, he will be happy to trade, both for import and export. Another thing is that it’s not easy to include at least one country.
  18. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 1 November 2013 10: 13
    0
    If Turkey or Iran or India joins the CU, this will be a prident
    But Turkey is out of place here! She has already powdered her brains with her political prostitution! Which in itself no longer defines her as a reliable partner! And in general - all these rumors about an alliance with the CU are nothing more than the vagaries of the master-west - they say you won’t be well pleased, I’ll give you horns !!!
  19. sq
    sq 1 November 2013 10: 31
    +1
    Iran’s accession to the CU as the next step of expansion is very tempting. This is, in fact, direct access to the Indian Ocean and a significant reduction in the trade route with India.
  20. Zymran
    Zymran 1 November 2013 10: 47
    +2
    This adventure exists only in the head of the author of the article.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 November 2013 13: 10
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      This adventure exists only in the head of the author of the article.

      Judge by comments, not only with the author.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 1 November 2013 13: 33
        +1
        Stupidity is contagious.
        1. alone
          alone 1 November 2013 23: 39
          0
          do not bother people to dream))) wassat
  21. artifox
    artifox 1 November 2013 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    TS is an economic association, and "friendship" against someone is not the main thing in it. The economic arguments are interesting. But does Iran itself want this?

    Iran just wants to, it’s just that in the current realities everything will be ruined. First you need to completely close the issue on Syria before you start something with Iran, because if in Syria there is still an American scenario, the probability of which, although it has significantly decreased, but is not equal to zero, then the next goal of Israel and the United States will be just Iran . Nevertheless, the Eurasian Union is not yet ready, in my opinion, to embark on a large-scale confrontation with the Alliance over the ally that Iran will become.
    1. knn54
      knn54 1 November 2013 14: 51
      0
      -artifox: Iran just wants to, it’s just that in the current realities everything will be ruined.
      The article is sensible and timely. BUT ... In February of this year, the Protocol of interaction of the intergovernmental Russian-Iranian commission was signed! In September, the ninth (!) Meeting of the Russian-Iranian Intergovernmental Commission on Trade and Economic Cooperation (IPC) opened. Its task is to outline the main areas of interaction between the two countries in the near future. REALLY NOTHING WORKS! At the same time, SPECIFIC contracts are signed with a number of companies in France, Great Britain, and Germany. It seems that the notorious sanctions are created for the Russian Federation ...
      Do not forget that in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan there are large Persian (or related) diasporas that affect the financial and political life in these republics.
  22. valerei
    valerei 1 November 2013 12: 17
    +1
    And I don't understand why this article was placed on this site. Well, we talked, and then? And then - nothing. It is profitable, not profitable - all this will be decided not on this site and not by us. And, in general, TS is a vague idea. Of course, our rulers want to acquire allies, but, again, allies - allies - are different. While you are feeding - allies, if you finish feeding - they are selling "at once". The closest example to this: the former countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (if anyone else remembers what it was). So, it is much more useful to use these "feed" resources for the development of our two most important allies who will never sell us. I think so.
  23. vahatak
    vahatak 1 November 2013 12: 57
    -4
    Nazarbayev invited Turkey to accept, Putin remembered about India ..... Reminds me of a children's game: look what I have! and I have even cooler !!! Funny in a word.
    As for Iran, it was not for this that the mullahs made a revolution to go under Russia, and Russia did not need competitors in the Customs Union, Russia started this in order to have influence on others and to spoil the Europeans, not allowing the CIS countries to establish relations with the EU.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 1 November 2013 15: 13
      +2
      I am in favor of Armenia joining the EU; Europe should analyze all your problems. There is not the slightest desire to protect you from Azerbaijan or Turkey. Only return Karabakh after joining the EU.
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 1 November 2013 16: 37
        +1
        Quote: T80UM1
        I am in favor of Armenia joining the EU; Europe should analyze all your problems. There is not the slightest desire to protect you from Azerbaijan or Turkey. Only return Karabakh after joining the EU.

        We do not need to enter somewhere to protect our country.
        And we have already returned Karabakh (to ourselves). Next in line are other regions of Armenia captured by Turkey and Azerbaijan.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 1 November 2013 17: 26
          0
          Quote: vahatak
          And we have already returned Karabakh (to ourselves).

          don't say gop until you jump wassat why did you so recently want to join the EU, while your uncle GDP threatened you with Azerbaijani tanks near Yerevan laughing so they immediately reversed .. and ran to the vehicle .... and here you were waiting for the inadequate reaction of Lekashenko and Nazarbayev .....
          Quote: vahatak
          Next in line are other regions of Armenia captured by Turkey and Azerbaijan.

          You better populate Armenia))) and then there will soon be no one left .. smile
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 1 November 2013 17: 24
        0
        Quote: T80UM1
        There is not the slightest desire to protect you from Azerbaijan or Turkey. Only return Karabakh after joining the EU.

        golden words !!!!!! respect YOU! which incidentally comrades Nazarbayev and Lukashenko said to Armenia hi smile
  24. avt
    avt 1 November 2013 14: 14
    +3
    Quote: vahatak
    Russia started this in order to have an influence on others and to spoil the Europeans, not allowing the CIS countries to establish relations with the EU.

    And don’t talk! Well, we’re spoiling everywhere, in Armenia we’re holding a base with aviation — we are spoiling independent Armenia. Or Azerbaijan, or Turkey? But all the same muck. laughing Well, choose for yourself some real type of comrade Sa ... what kind of person and we, believe me, “we won’t shit, we’ll leave like Georgia. Well, provided that you will not bother us with some kind of your“ borjom ”, you will gain European Union happiness and everyone will be happy for centuries. And Russia does not need competitors, here is your truth, and there are none in the CIS space - the former USSR, well, simply not in fact. Even they do not even try to get up at least in something, if it were otherwise, they would not demand from us some kind of "equality" and even something irrevocably backed up by something, they would simply silently stand on a par and that's it.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 November 2013 15: 07
      0
      Quote: avt
      Well, everywhere you spoil

      I didn't say everywhere, I said Europe.
      Quote: avt
      in Armenia we keep the base with aviation

      In fact, half of the cost of the Russian base lies with Armenia, so the question is who keeps it.
      Quote: avt
      But Russia does not need competitors, here is your truth, and indeed there are none in the CIS - the former USSR

      When did Iran move to the CIS?
      Quote: avt
      You will gain European Union happiness and there will be happiness for all forever.

      We can find happiness alone, without any Union, be it European, Customs or Soviet.
      we’ll leave both from Georgia.
      And where will you stay if you leave here?
      1. avt
        avt 1 November 2013 15: 13
        +2
        Quote: vahatak
        In fact, half of the cost of the Russian base lies with Armenia, so the question is who keeps it.

        laughing So we also have to turn out, we got into the pocket of Armenia.
        Quote: vahatak
        We can find happiness alone, without any Union, be it European, Customs or Soviet.

        Well, so am I about the same
        Quote: avt
        Well, choose for yourself some real type of comrade Sa ... what kind of person and we, believe me, won't shit, we will leave like Georgia.

        Read it carefully.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 1 November 2013 16: 41
          0
          Quote: avt
          Read it carefully.

          I read carefully, but can you answer the question, where will the southern border of Russia go if it does not have allies to the south of the Caucasus?
          1. avt
            avt 1 November 2013 17: 14
            +1
            Quote: vahatak
            where will the southern border of Russia go if it does not have allies south of the Caucasus?

            Given that Russia has two allies - its army and navy, then if there are no allies, Russia will not remain, not even its borders.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 1 November 2013 17: 33
            +1
            Quote: vahatak
            if she has no allies south of the Caucasus?

            do not stick your eyes out of Russia, shouting whether you see that if not Armenia, then Russia will be bad in the south)))))) it will figure it out somehow without your help .... Azerbaijan is a strategic partner of Russia and we don’t have it bases..and what ...... but most of all we buy and Russia ... more attention is paid to what is connected with this country. (education, position of Russians, schools) and everything is normal .... so do not stick out the importance of the small mountainous terrain .... and your base is primarily directed against Turkey .... and a little to influence Azerbaijan because of NATO ....
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 1 November 2013 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: vahatak
        then half of the cost of the Russian base lies with Armenia, so the question is who keeps it.

        read fellow lovers and defenders of Armenia ... Lopatov, Zhenya ... and others .... what they write about YOU ... when we say this, you don’t believe .... it turns out Russia still owes Armenia .... this news wassat
        Quote: vahatak
        And where will you stay if you leave here?

        it’s not your problem where the Russians stop, your problem will be where the Azerbaijani tanks stop ...... laughing
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  26. serge
    serge 1 November 2013 14: 34
    +1
    We must accept Iran and India as associate members of the CU, such as the EU does. In this way, the Customs Union will demonstrate its intentions, which may subsequently become a reality. Turkey can easily be invited to the CU, but only if it leaves NATO and association with the EU. If the Turks suddenly do this, it will be such a victory for Russian politics that it simply cannot be described with a pen. Turkey cannot be admitted to the CU as a member of NATO and an associate member of the EU, this will destroy the CU. In fact, the CU as an association was clearly created with the aim of uniting the Slavic and friendly republics of the former USSR. With Ukraine it may not work, but who could expect a possible unification with Iran, India and Turkey, from an economic point of view, this is just a gift.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 1 November 2013 15: 11
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      Quote: serge
      Ukraine may not work, but who could expect a possible unification with Iran, India and Turkey,

      And is it already a fait accompli that you draw conclusions based on the accession of these countries? How easily do you believe all kinds of fairy tales!
  27. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 1 November 2013 16: 03
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    For Iran, Russia is one of two very real partners that can help implement the country's extremely ambitious nuclear energy program. According to various sources, the total amount of funds that Iran plans to invest in it can be estimated at one hundred billion dollars - this is the construction of dozens of nuclear power plants, and the production and disposal of fuel and components. This is an extremely profitable market, access to which promises substantial revenues for either Russia or China. By the way, one of the obvious reasons for such a tough attack by the West on Iran's nuclear program is precisely an attempt to prevent us from entering this market. The collapse of the Ayatollah regime will in no way remove from the agenda the objective reasons for the development of nuclear energy - after all, it was started by Shah Reza. However, after the collapse of the regime, the entire tasty pie will go to the United States and E3. ("Iran in the perspectives of Russia and China" Svargaman)

    Tehran has achieved the greatest success in the region in relations with Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan, with which a number of mutually beneficial economic, energy and transport projects have been implemented or are being implemented, but it must be emphasized that Iran avoids demonstrating any aspirations for regional leadership ("Perspectives of Iran in Central Asia and the SCO factor "Alexander Knyazev, Zamira Muratalieva)

    Iran should be in the CU, as this gives the country good prospects for overcoming the crisis, where they were driven by the West, led by the US with its sanctions. Of course, the West will raise a "terrible screech", and our liberal Westernizers will "heart-rendingly" support "super-civilized Europe". But is it worth paying attention to, their time is running out.
  28. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 1 November 2013 20: 09
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    Iran is an excellent partner for the CU. I would only be glad if the Iranians join. They have a good economy (raw materials, industry, agriculture, and an active large domestic market), clear laws and a good army.
    Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus have something to import there, and there is something to export. The Kazakhs have already built a railway in the Iranian direction, now the Turkmens are completing their section - very soon, in addition to the sea route, a railway route will also appear.
    The vehicle still has a lot of problems, but they are being solved. We need to move on, attract Iranians, Turks, and Finns to alliance, and not focus only on Kyrgyzstan or Ukraine (which, I hope, will not be left out of our integration processes).
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 1 November 2013 22: 13
      +1
      Marek, hi! And good to see.
      I have such a problem. Take Kyrgyzstan. Imagine that they entered the vehicle. They will have to introduce our customs excises (duties), which will cause a rise in prices. On the other hand, they are WTO members - they cannot raise them according to the regulations of this organization. Have to quit the organization or wait for Russia to end the transition period (it agreed with the WTO of the Russian Federation somewhere around 7-10 years) and decline there. acc. . That is, the participation of Kyrgyzstan in the Customs Union is somewhere these 7-10 years. And then the rise in prices, which the authorities are unlikely to agree to, the Kyrgyz will not pull - again they will build a revolution. Tajikistan, without Kyrgyzstan, is also unlikely due to geography in the CU. There is no need to talk about Armenia.
      Actually, here I am. I think the real candidates for the CU are those countries that have at least approximate GDP indicators per capita, comparable to us. Poor countries at this stage are still high there. acc., simply impoverished. After all, the countries of the CU are still very dependent on imports, even for food. In this regard, I think that the TS can pull from the post-Soviet. spaces only Azerbaijan and Ukraine. Of the third, Iran, Turkey - at least somehow bordering on them.
      But India and China, in my opinion, only with certain restrictions - otherwise they will simply swallow us with free trade (it is simply impossible to compete with them. Take the cost of electricity in China and us, for example), leaving small niches as raw materials and there may be food .
      It also seems to me that many do not understand what to state this one thing, but to embed it another. The example of Ukraine shows that, for example, Turkey will have to leave the free trade zone with the EU. And accept our conditions. So in the near future I am not seeing any real candidates.
      What do you think about this? hi
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 1 November 2013 23: 04
      +1
      Plus, Marek from me, than accepting a poor Armenia, always asking and throwing, which, with its fascist slogans of anti-Turk (anti-Turk ideology), is honestly embarrassed, it is better to accept Iran or Turkey ...
      1. alone
        alone 1 November 2013 23: 42
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        Quote: T80UM1
        Plus, Marek from me, than accepting a poor Armenia, always asking and throwing, which, with its fascist slogans of anti-Turk (anti-Turk ideology), is honestly embarrassed, it is better to accept Iran or Turkey ...


        hi good drinks
  29. avt
    avt 1 November 2013 21: 39
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    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Iran is an excellent partner for the CU.

    As of today, with a clear, well-coordinated position of the CU countries, one could say yes, they could play well, and in its glade it is difficult to take into account Iranian realities, but they would push their interests together.
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    The Kazakhs have already built a railway in the Iranian direction,
    this is one of the main irritants that infuriated the Angles during the time of the Russian Empire.
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    TS is still a lot of problems, but they are solved

    But not resolved and therefore
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    We need to move on, attract Iranians, Turks, and Finns to alliance

    to attract such diverse partners prematurely. The already fragile structure of the vehicle will be torn by contradictions, and often political ones. The structure is too vulnerable and started to do it too late.
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