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The accident Ka-52 in Moscow: the first information

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On Tuesday, October 29 in the south-east of Moscow, in the Vykhino-Zhulebino area, an Ka-52 Alligator helicopter crashed. Around 15: 40 Moscow time, the rotary-wing machine heading for the Kamov Flight Test Complex fell for an unknown reason from a height of several tens of meters. A fire broke out at the site of the crash.




As reported by domestic media, the crashed Ka-52 helicopter belonged to an aircraft manufacturer and was used in tests. The objectives of the tests were not called. The helicopter drove from the airfield Chkalovsky to the site of the Flight Test Complex. The machine was driven by employees of OJSC Kamov, a first-class test pilot, Yu. Timofeev, and a first-class test navigator, V. Yurtaev. According to some information, on the day of the accident the helicopter, which was busy in testing, made two flights, the last of which ended in a fall.

From the eyewitness accounts and the available official information, it follows that the Ka-52 helicopter with a crew consisting of test pilots reached the airfield in the south-east of Moscow without incident and began to land. Already during the descent from the released chassis, the helicopter, for some unknown reason, began to rotate around a vertical axis. The crew did not have time to take action and the car fell on the territory of the Flight Test Complex. In the event of a fall, fuel tanks were detonated, leading to an explosion and a large fire. The fire crews of the Flight Research Complex were able to localize the fire over an area of ​​about 20 square. meters, but the helicopter was almost completely destroyed by fire. As can be seen on the available photo and video materials, only damaged parts of the frame and the power plant, as well as the tail section, remained from the car.

The accident Ka-52 in Moscow: the first information


During the fall, the helicopter crew was injured, but was able to leave the damaged car on its own. During the first hours after the accident, there were reports that test pilots managed to eject. However, later on, with the advent of photographs and videos from the scene of the accident, it became clear that until the fall, the pilots Yu. Timofeev and V. Yurtayev were in the cockpit. In the photo and video taken during the first minutes after the helicopter crash, it is clear that the rotor blades were left on the car, and the cockpit canopy does not have any specific damage remaining after the ejection. In addition, a few hours after the accident, there was an official confirmation that the pilots tried to land the helicopter and remained there until the time of the crash.

Test pilots from the Kamov company were sent to the 36 city clinical hospital. Both pilots were diagnosed with multiple bruises and abrasions, as well as concussion. In addition, one of the pilots (who it was, was not specified) with the fall injured his chest and broke several ribs, and another showed signs of spinal damage. Immediately after the accident, a suspected compression fracture was reported. On the initiative of the Ministry of Defense, the injured pilots from the 36 city hospital were transferred to the Main Military Clinical Hospital named. Burdenko, where their treatment will continue. October 30 Chief of the Main Military Medical Department of the Ministry of Defense, Major General A. Fisun said that the pilots will be transferred to the hospital to them. Burdenko during the day. Although the helicopter did not belong to the Ministry of Defense, and the pilots are employees of the company, Kamov, the military department still decided to take over the treatment.

The fire that started after the fall almost completely destroyed the tested helicopter. No one was hurt on earth. On Wednesday, the investigative committee published information about the damage from the accident and confirmed the estimates that appeared on the eve. On board the lost Ka-52 helicopter was a complex of special equipment used to monitor the test results, which affected the extent of the damage. The cost of the rotary-wing machine and control equipment is approximately equal to 800 million rubles.

On the day of the accident, representatives of the transport investigation department seized the flight recorders of the crashed helicopter. In addition, a lawsuit was filed under the article "Violation of the rules for the safety of the movement and operation of air transport, which caused major damage." Employees of the investigative department examined the place of the helicopter crash, are engaged in the analysis of documentation and are waiting for the results of several examinations.

Currently, two main versions of the causes of the accident are being considered: equipment malfunction and pilot error. Due to the lack of any official data, now we can only make assumptions. Interstate aviation the committee decrypts flight recorders and this work will take some time.

A special commission of the Ministry of Industry and Commerce will lead the accident investigation together with the transport investigation department. The director of the aviation industry department, A. Boginsky, was appointed head of the commission; it included representatives of various aircraft-building organizations related to the development and production of helicopters. The commission of the Ministry of Industry and Trade must find out the causes of the accident and help the investigators.

Available information from official sources and from eyewitnesses, according to which the crew lost control during the approach, may testify in favor of the version of technical problems. It was a violation in the operation of any power plant units that could have caused the Ka-52 helicopter to spin, causing it to lose altitude and crash to the ground. However, this is only an assumption and it is necessary to wait for the results of the official investigation.

During the first hours after the accident, reports appeared in a number of media outlets that the crashed helicopter was one of the prototypes of the Ka-52K ship attack helicopter. However, it later turned out that the lost car (52 “yellow” tail number) was built in the 2009 year and refers to the installation batch of helicopters of this type. In recent years, the lost Ka-52 has been used in various trials. It is possible that during the recent flights the Kamov company checked and tested some equipment for ship-based helicopters, but there are no exact data on this account.

The crash of the Ka-52 helicopter that occurred on Tuesday was the second such incident with this type of equipment. 12 March last year during the departure in adverse weather conditions was lost communication with the helicopter 344-th center of combat training and retraining of flight personnel. The fallen car was found a few hours after it disappeared from the radar screens. The navigator died in the fall, the pilot with severe injuries was taken to hospital, where he later died. The investigation, which lasted several months, showed that the cause of the catastrophe was adverse weather conditions, due to which the crew lost control.

Finding out the causes of the accident that happened on October 29 will take some time. The exact dates have not yet been named and it cannot be ruled out that the final results of the investigation will be announced only next year.


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  1. NC1982
    NC1982 1 November 2013 09: 12 New
    21
    Well kapets lost such a car, sadly ... The crew of a speedy recovery!
    1. vjhbc
      vjhbc 1 November 2013 20: 14 New
      +2
      I didn’t understand about the first accident. They specifically made it for difficult conditions. They put a second number of specialists in for this. Half of the devices were back for this.
      1. NC1982
        NC1982 1 November 2013 21: 20 New
        +1
        I did not understand about the second number, it was not "stuck" in there as a guardian angel, but the navigator-operator and SMU had nothing to do with it, more precisely, but the car actually turned out to be "not rolled" in such conditions and, I am sure, the crew did everything possible to pull the helicopter and survive on our own! Kingdom and peace ...
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 3 November 2013 04: 26 New
          +4
          The car has been running in for a dozen years, just each technique has its own limits, "difficult weather conditions" - it can be a hurricane gust of wind that may well turn the car over at low altitudes or a sudden hailstorm with a cobblestone size, the nature of recent years is less predictable, hardly Whether the pilots are to blame, the most experienced are usually put on new expensive equipment. And in the Moscow case, these are tests, and at tests there is always an increased risk of emergency situations, for this there are tests in order to exclude technical accidents as much as possible during normal operation. And what about the fact that "did not have time to eject" - the author of the article is incompetent, on the Ka-50 \ 52 series, in an accident at a height below the designated for safe ejection, another safety system is triggered - the belts rigidly fix the pilots in the seat, and the chassis and frame must absorb the shock overload , this does not save from injuries (but injuries are not uncommon during ejection), the pilots are alive - it means that the system worked as it should, and the tanks were unlikely to detonate on impact (they were designed against this) rather spilled and the fuel caught fire later from a short circuit spark in one of the systems.
  2. Romeohihnic
    Romeohihnic 1 November 2013 09: 28 New
    +2
    Suma get off 800 million rubles all this stuff is worth !!! And if you buy a 10-ok, how much money is needed then !!! And the crew of a quick recovery !!!
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 1 November 2013 10: 51 New
      +1
      So this is with the instrumentation price. Not all cars will be with such a set of ext. special equipment.
    2. Letun
      Letun 1 November 2013 16: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Romeohihnic
      Suma get off 800 million rubles all this stuff is worth !!!

      I think if they establish mass production (which I really want to hope for), the price will drop several times. Well, they’re sawing, they’re sawing, there’s no getting around it ...
    3. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 8 November 2013 14: 12 New
      +1
      So count, and now count the millionaires, I'm not talking about billionaires, would have chipped in and bought a division of such "Sharks", but no, the "smart" ones in Russia have not yet been extinct.
  3. Alez
    Alez 1 November 2013 09: 30 New
    +6
    One thing is surprising - tanks detonated at a combat helicopter ?! As I know, tanks for military vehicles no matter air or ground are filled with polyurethane, which prevents detonation. What kind of detonation?
    1. kafa
      kafa 1 November 2013 09: 46 New
      +5
      tanks protect from small-caliber bullets.
      in this case, deformation, violation of the integrity of the fuel tanks
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 1 November 2013 09: 46 New
      +6
      Apparently the general destruction of the structure, then filling will not help.
  4. 505506
    505506 1 November 2013 09: 31 New
    14
    Article as a report. Short, dry, capacious. To author +
  5. svp67
    svp67 1 November 2013 09: 43 New
    +5
    It’s a pity that the accident will delay the adoption of the right machine, but it’s better now than in combat units that it’s good that people survived ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 1 November 2013 09: 51 New
      +7
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      1. donavi49
        donavi49 1 November 2013 09: 56 New
        +1
        Well, the video shows how they tried to stabilize the car with their tail, plus the height of the meters 50 fall, not 20.
        1. alex86
          alex86 1 November 2013 20: 50 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          stabilize the car with its tail

          What did you mean?
      2. Ducksar
        Ducksar 1 November 2013 17: 14 New
        +2
        and what kind of outbreaks in the area of ​​engines?
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 1 November 2013 18: 52 New
          +2
          It looks like a gearbox breakdown.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 1 November 2013 20: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Bad_gr
            It looks like a gearbox breakdown.

            Seem to be...
  6. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 1 November 2013 09: 53 New
    +4
    Judging by the fact that the car before the "hard" landing rotated around the axis, and the rescue services were notified in advance, problems with the engine (drive?) Began before. Pilots reached the airfield. Not enough literally one minute.
  7. 09061982
    09061982 1 November 2013 10: 12 New
    -4
    The crash of the Ka-52 helicopter that occurred on Tuesday was the second such incident with equipment of this type. On March 12 last year, during a flight in difficult weather conditions, communication with the helicopter of the 344th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of Flight Crew was lost. The fallen car was found a few hours after it disappeared from the radar screens. The navigator died in the fall, the pilot with serious injuries was taken to the hospital, where he later died. The investigation, which lasted several months, showed that the weather became the cause of the disaster, because of which the crew lost control.
    -How could an all-weather helicopter fall due to bad weather ???
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 1 November 2013 10: 33 New
      10
      There is no need to interpret SMU so broadly, there are any restrictions. NPP Aviation of the Armed Forces of the USSR / NPP-88 /
      Article 23 .... The flights to SMU include:
      - flights in the clouds, between layers, behind the clouds with cloudiness of 7 points or more.
      -flight under the clouds and (or) during flight visibility in the conditions specified in the application ....
      Art. 25 ... Flight time over a water body beyond the visual visibility of the coastline, as well as in the stratosphere, is taken into account in the same way as flight to the SMU ...
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 3 November 2013 04: 39 New
      +1
      The weather can be different, a sudden gust of a hurricane wind can turn a car on a bend at low altitudes, each equipment has its own limits, on modern flying equipment precisely because of such cases, they try to put the maximum ability to track weather conditions into the capabilities of radars. And you should not expect miracles from the technique, especially in light of the fact that years ago 35 did not fly at all in the weather in which technical progress takes years, the time will come and this problem will be solved.
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  9. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 1 November 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    The costs of a market economy, defective parts, and the result of an accident. This is of course my personal opinion, but why not, it is likely
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 1 November 2013 12: 01 New
      0
      Of course, here some would really like to write off everything on the design flaws of the coaxial scheme. Such specialists do not have other versions.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 1 November 2013 18: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Of course, here some would really like to write off everything on the design flaws of the coaxial scheme. Such specialists do not have other versions.

        If this is a gearbox breakdown, then such a malfunction is a multiple of a helicopter of any circuit (including single-rotor).
    2. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 2 November 2013 03: 41 New
      +1
      Or maybe it's the cost of her absence in Russia? No one ever bears responsibility for anything, and the extra costs always fall on the shoulders of the budget, which then has no money for social services .. The army already yesterday, judging by the experience in Chechnya, needs modern turntables with thermal imagers.
  10. Captain45
    Captain45 1 November 2013 10: 29 New
    +4
    Quote: 09061982
    -How could an all-weather helicopter fall due to bad weather ???

    An all-weather helicopter is controlled by people, it does not fly by itself. Without a crew there would be an all-weather UAV.
  11. twister
    twister 1 November 2013 10: 41 New
    -1
    Man is not a bird winked
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 November 2013 10: 43 New
    +6
    Purely human, it is a pity to lose such a car. I am glad that the crew is alive.
    1. AVV
      AVV 1 November 2013 23: 14 New
      +1
      The helicopter will be rebuilt, but the crew is sorry, it’s good that everyone is alive, and the helicopter is finally insured !!!
  13. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 1 November 2013 11: 16 New
    +3
    The author plus everything is written in the case and without unnecessary speculation and fantasies.
  14. samoletil18
    samoletil18 1 November 2013 11: 22 New
    +6
    The crew is alive - it is very pleasing. I hope, thanks to constructive solutions, including. You shouldn’t make a tragedy out of the loss of a test helicopter, the disaster investigation will provide information for designers, make the necessary changes. The main thing is that production cars do not fall.
    The author + briefly and clearly.
  15. fisherman
    fisherman 1 November 2013 11: 31 New
    +1
    Was it really possible to eject from such a height?
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 1 November 2013 11: 42 New
      +5
      It was real bailout from the parking lot and from under the water ... but test pilots eject very rarely ...
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 1 November 2013 11: 43 New
      12
      Modern catapults work: 0 speeds, 0 heights, but the crew took the car away from residential buildings, and the landing site was forced by equipment, and there were people.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 1 November 2013 19: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: Alex 241
        but the crew took the car away from the residential buildings, and the landing pad was forced by equipment, and there were people.

        Brave people! The Americans would probably catapult. Such heroes have been and will continue to be held by Russia. The only surprise is that the tests take place very close to the houses and the pilots must perform a feat in order to save the lives of city residents if a malfunction occurs. Was it really impossible to fly over the forest? Let the car fall on the trees, but the pilots are alive and well?
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 2 November 2013 04: 23 New
          -3
          Nope .., the Americans would, before they cowardly eject, would specifically send the helicopter towards the kindergarten ..
      2. Des10
        Des10 1 November 2013 20: 53 New
        +4
        Thank you and restore health pilots. They did everything right, as in the USSR. I respect
      3. loft79
        loft79 4 November 2013 15: 30 New
        +1
        Here zhurnalyugi damn am, People are in intensive care, and they get it there.
        A speedy recovery to them. Questions later.
  16. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 1 November 2013 11: 51 New
    -22 qualifying.
    In all likelihood, the continuation of typical accidents for helicopters with coaxial propellers, which was enough for the Ka-50. Feature of the circuit.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 1 November 2013 13: 15 New
      10
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      In all likelihood, the continuation of typical accidents for helicopters with coaxial propellers, which was enough for the Ka-50. Feature of the circuit.

      Alas, helicopters are falling, with any scheme ... There is no 100% reliable equipment.
      1. twister
        twister 1 November 2013 19: 06 New
        0
        But it is possible and will be! 99%
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 1 November 2013 13: 24 New
      +3
      Already one, on a Vorobyov helicopter, which was specially modified for aerobatics.

      Moreover, on this Ka-52 the upper group of blades is in order, that is, there was no overlapping.
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 1 November 2013 13: 40 New
      12
      Did you understand what you wrote? Ka-50 lost just one car on a useless window dressing. Before it, serial machines of various types due to overlap lost 3 pieces, all due to violations of the operating rules. There are no more specific accidents for the aligners, just as there is no whole class of accidents related to the tail rotor, in particular blows by the blades on the tail boom.

      Where do you come from ...
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 3 November 2013 22: 45 New
        +1
        People who are not in the subject do not know how to perceive things in proportion, they were told on TV that the technique is super-duper, and that's all - it’s an axiom for them, they forget that people are taught to use the technique precisely because untrained dunce would kill any super-equipment for one or two , and that even proffi is not immune from elementary force majeure.
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 1 November 2013 19: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Continuation of typical accidents for helicopters with coaxial propellers,


      Please name - what is typical for a coaxial circuit here? Was there an overlap of screws? No, it was not.
  17. Romanychby
    Romanychby 1 November 2013 12: 05 New
    +8
    The crew is handsome. They planted a spinner to the last. Health to you!
  18. godun
    godun 1 November 2013 12: 07 New
    +5
    The crew is alive and that's good, but the aircraft have been falling, falling and unfortunately will fall, we are guests in the sky. Fuel under such conditions is unlikely to detonate, most likely the destruction of fuel tanks occurred, fuel spillage followed by its ignition. Explosive combustion can occur when the same fuel hits burning parts made of magnesium alloys. The author plus, briefly and informatively, and a small clarification: "... during the descent ...", the aircraft descend.
  19. Walking
    Walking 1 November 2013 13: 18 New
    +3
    It happens what can you do.
  20. Barmalej
    Barmalej 1 November 2013 14: 01 New
    +4
    An alligator and a shark were brought to Naryan-mar this year, training took place in the Arctic!
  21. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 1 November 2013 14: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    Feature of the circuit.
    The peculiarity of the scheme is the overlapping of the blades in transcendental modes. There are obvious problems with controlling the machine ...
  22. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 1 November 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    The reason for the crash of the Ka-52 "Alligator" helicopter in the Moscow region of Zhulebino could have been the failure of the rotor column, says test pilot, honored pilot of Russia Vadim Bazykin.

    The main BP-80 helicopter gearbox and the PVR-800 intermediate gearboxes were developed in 1982 and, together with two TV3-117 engines, are part of the power plants of the Ka-50, Ka-50-2 and Ka-52 combat helicopters. Serial production of BP-80 and PVR-800 gearboxes is being mastered at OJSC Krasny Oktyabr (St. Petersburg).
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 1 November 2013 18: 51 New
      +2
      If the car was not controlled, then surely, although something exactly? Lost connection with one of the rotors? But something tells me that there is a rigid mechanical connection and this is impossible. Can the swashplate cover itself?
  23. me
    me 1 November 2013 17: 05 New
    -4
    I want to ask a question off topic. I just would like to know the role of the co-pilot in this helicopter. As I understand it, his task is to destroy enemy equipment at a distance and EVERYTHING with guided missiles, for the cannon (which by the way does not rotate) and unguided missiles remain in the care of the first pilot. Thus, close combat is contraindicated for this vert because of the notorious non-rotating gun, which makes it a kind of castrato. Well, actually the question is, did it make sense to make a two-seat version if the tasks of the second pilot can easily be completed by the first. Hang at a safe distance, turn on auto-lock (I don’t know if there is such a thing, if not, I need to come up with it), aim and shoot.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 1 November 2013 17: 31 New
      +3
      replayed in a battle? break away from the computer.
      shl
      the second there is an engineer with a soldering iron. the turntable "heals".
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 1 November 2013 18: 42 New
        0
        Quote: dmitreach
        the second there is an engineer with a soldering iron. the turntable "heals"

        Here YOU are, probably, such a "shvydka" that you will be able to bring 11 tons at a speed of 150 to 250 km / h on a combat course, aim, open fire to defeat a small target, exit an attack, etc. In this case, you are not otherwise GOD, even, probably, Shiva ... A normal pilot has two arms and one! head. They learned how to solve tasks in helicopter piloting and the use of weapons on the Mi-2, having introduced the STUMAN-OPERATOR to the crew. Did you hold the soldering iron in your hands, yoskenem?
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 November 2013 18: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: i
      because of the notorious non-rotating gun, which makes it a kind of castrato

      The non-rotating cannon is on the Mi-24P on the starboard side. On the Mi-28 and Ka-50 (52), the following should rotate: "Small arms and cannon armament: 2A42 mobile cannon". Hammer in a search engine, dear, and read. M. b. a clearing in the brain will happen ...
      1. Abracadabra
        Abracadabra 2 November 2013 04: 59 New
        -2
        Where is the Ka-52 cannon movable ?? "15 degrees in azimuth and 30 degrees in elevation" is probably 10 times less than that of combat helicopters with a suspended and movable gun. Why be rude to a person if he asked a reasonable question? The Ka-52's cannon is stationary and is guided by turning the entire helicopter to the target, which cannot be an advantage against those spinning with the head, or like the pupils of the German version of the "Tiger", that is, the gun following the operator's gaze. After all, then it is impossible to simultaneously fire at some ground targets with unguided missiles, and others, on the 30-55G side, with a cannon and accompany them. Or is the 1st pilot in the Ka-52 taking control of the cannon fire? Does the 2nd look for targets and operate missiles? And I am also confused by the size of the BC on the Ka-52, especially on the Mi-28, something is not enough, in my opinion, for the Apache Block3 1500.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 2 November 2013 08: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Abra Kadabra
          Does the Ka-52 have a movable gun ?? "15 degrees in azimuth and 30 degrees in elevation

          You answered your question.
    3. clidon
      clidon 1 November 2013 18: 31 New
      +2
      The role of the co-pilot is the navigator-weapon operator. And this is not ALL, but practically EVERYTHING (the actual navigation and combat control are still hanging on it if needed)! For in fact, the main task is to identify targets and attack them. This requires a pair of eyes and hands, the pilot may simply not have enough time for everything. Not a single combat helicopter is created for "air combat", this is a secondary task.
      Hanging in real combat conditions is fraught with getting from some kind of local lupara. ) Therefore, the main mode of operation of helicopters - attack.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 1 November 2013 18: 57 New
        +1
        Nevertheless, it is hovering and shooting as in a dash, with scrubbing until a retaliatory pendell is received, is the main tactic against normal air defense. Well, or vice versa, an attack in the style of the Su-25, in both cases the second pilot is not particularly needed and the Ka-2 in conditions of a big war with corresponding losses, was fully justified when attacking reconnaissance targets.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 1 November 2013 19: 44 New
          +4
          The less you are in the enemy's fire zone, the more likely you are to complete the assigned task and your survival. Yes, it’s useful to cover yourself with a hill before going on the attack, but only you don’t pull off with a jerk from hovering 11 tons, do you know the "zone of instability" turns out. Only in motion with a subsequent lapel and lowering the height + acceleration when retreating. What was Schubert singing to us there? "In motion, the miller leads life ...". Movement = life. Hover attacks by Comanches are ideal. The flight commander of the Mi-2 Leonid Vasilyevich Ko .... lin (Lesha, hello, if you read) in the year 1983 talked about the training of air defense crews (Primorye): he turned around behind the hill, went out from the entry point to the line of attack, swung the helicopter IN MOTION and back over the hill. That's how they treated ...
    4. Avenger711
      Avenger711 1 November 2013 18: 54 New
      +2
      Observation, command of the group as necessary, for which the Ka-52 was developed, just no one bothers to use vicious Milev’s tactics, and in the conditions of emerging conflicts, the effect of single-seaters is not so big, but you have to twirl someone with your head looking for majahideen .
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 1 November 2013 20: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Avenger711
        it’s just that no one bothers to use vicious Milev’s tactics, and in conditions of emerging conflicts

        My second part, Poland 1986-1990, Shprotava, Kolobrzeg, flight commanders were all once or more "landed in Afghanistan". Level of training: DAY - SMU, PMU, NIGHT PMU - the whole squadron. Night SMU VSE Mi-8, 2 links Mi-24. The words of the best search engine Volodya Bogo ... ova: We have to fight and live according to the calculations of the staff for 14 days, and on the fifteenth day YOU, all the equipment you receive AK-74, sapper blades and infantry, platoon and squad commanders. Another war shone for us, however. But all the same, it's a pity, military unit of military unit pp 32937!
  24. skurazhov
    skurazhov 1 November 2013 20: 20 New
    +2
    Watch the video carefully: a flash is visible in the first second - based on the photo after extinguishing the fire, you can see that the lower rotor blades are missing !!! It is obvious that the squibs of the lower blades for some reason worked and self-rotation began. something like this. I hope that the "specialists" of the Ministry of Trade will establish something))) The main thing is that the crew is healthy. The guys did not flinch ...
  25. kekse
    kekse 1 November 2013 21: 55 New
    0
    I do not understand why this heroism? Lost control, catapult, remained a living miracle.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 November 2013 22: 36 New
      +2
      Aren't you sorry for other people's lives? And if you survive, then in fact they will drag you through the courts. It's not NATO in our country, when at a training session in the gorge (7-10 years ago) they cut the cable car and NOTHING. The pilot himself, like a couple, was wet, but 3 corpses of civilians and nothing, passed. And if ours? Then Novodvorskaya and Sº, together with the "echo of Israel", would have smeared the surviving pilots into camp dust ...
      1. Abracadabra
        Abracadabra 2 November 2013 05: 13 New
        -1
        Not NATO, of course .. NATO does not send village boys to certain death, does not sue families when they should be compensated .. The Russian army is still far from NATO in terms of its attitude towards its soldiers and victims of any NATO actions. What's "nothing"? On this occasion, the media were not silent and the courts were there, and you can be sure, they figured it out. And Novodvorskaya, or someone else, has nothing to do with it, if there is no longer a judicial system in Russia, it is thoroughly destroyed. So if the pilots even deliberately fell into the kindergarten, then if it was necessary to grease them and there would be enough money, then the judge also made the children guilty that they were on the way of the helicopter.
  26. i.xxx-1971
    i.xxx-1971 1 November 2013 23: 18 New
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  27. masterovoy
    masterovoy 3 November 2013 10: 57 New
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    The main thing is that the pilots are alive!
  28. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 11 November 2013 04: 14 New
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    I have a question for those who are in the subject. Why didn’t a gun be installed on the helicopter that can be pointed without turning the whole machine? (As on Mi-28 or AN-64) And was this option considered during the design? The question is specifically about the Ka-52 (although with a single pilot in the Ka-50 it was theoretically possible to use the target auto-tracking system after guidance) And also, are there any plans or ideas for such a refinement? (For example, lower the gun below the helicopter’s body in battle for all-angle guidance or tracking of the target, or something like that)
  29. Tank01
    Tank01 11 November 2013 22: 40 New
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    The author of the article, wanting to give it a bright color, blurted out the phrase - the detonation of fuel tanks occurred, which led to an explosion and a major fire. What other detonation ??? Darling, have you seen kerosene explode yourself? No! ... And you will not see. Kerosene can only be ignited (lit), no more than in a kerosene lamp with open fire, and then it burns in the presence of oxygen. And the squibs fluttered during the fire. And the pilot is a professional in his field, well done.
  30. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 10 December 2013 15: 43 New
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    Uncontrolled rotation of the helicopter can cause only technical incomparable failure of the tail rotor on the Mi-kah, on the Ka-kakh the failure of the coaxial rotor assemblies.