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Chechen scenario in China?

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Chechen scenario in China?The Chinese government has officially qualified an accident on Tiananmen Square in downtown Beijing as a terrorist attack by Uygur Islamic radicals. According to the authorities, the people who were in the car were suicide bombers. Earlier, the authorities wanted two ethnic Uygurs from the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.


The accident happened on October 28 in downtown Beijing. The car with the numbers of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) crashed into a crowd of people. As a result, five people were killed, including three who were in the car. In addition, at least 38 people were injured.

According to the Hong Kong-based Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy, one of the suicide bombers in the car was a relative of a man who died during the bloody clashes between Uighurs, resettlers and Chinese police in Xinjiang in June of this year.

The June clashes were the bloodiest since 2009, when about 200 people died in clashes in the capital of the XUAR, the city of Urumqi, and the number of injured reached two thousand.
XUAR in the Western press is sometimes called the “Chinese Chechnya”, drawing an analogy between the fierce resistance of the indigenous Muslim population of this region and North Caucasian separatism. Half of the region’s population are Chinese, as many representatives of the Turkic-speaking peoples of the Muslim faith (42% Uigurs, 6,% Kazakhs, one percent of Kyrgyz and Tajiks).

In ancient times, East Turkestan was a powerful state, which had a tremendous impact not only on Central Asia, but also on China. In 1759, Chinese troops seized the region and called it Xinjiang (in Russian, "New Frontier").

Since the inclusion of their lands in China, the Uighurs have rebelled more than four hundred times. In 1944, the Uighurs even managed (with the help of the USSR) to take control of the western part of Xinjiang and proclaim the Eastern Turkestan Republic. But it existed only until the 1949 year: Joseph Stalin decided not to annoy the communists who came to power in China.
The current tragedy on Tiananmen Square (the same "holy" place for China as Red Square for Russia) is the first terrorist act of the Uygur separatists outside Xinjiang. And here again, there are direct parallels with the North Caucasus. So, at the beginning, Chechen separatists fought only on the territory of their republic, and then decided to change tactics, to make sure that “war came to every Russian home”.

Both the Uigur and North Caucasian separatists view their struggle not as a national, but as a religious one (liberation from the power of the infidels), therefore they act as a united front. The Uigurs fought on the side of the separatists in Chechnya, and today they are fighting side by side with their "Caucasian brothers" in Syria and Afghanistan.

In fairness it should be noted that, most likely, the separatist movement in China will not reach the same strength as in the Russian Federation. Against the separatists, both the relatively low number of Uygurs in China themselves and the more rigid and effective, compared to Russia, work of the Chinese power structures are working.

In any case, the precedent for the transfer of "hostilities" beyond the rebellious autonomy has already been created, and this symptom is very alarming for the authorities of the Middle Kingdom.
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  1. ale-x
    ale-x 1 November 2013 08: 33
    +4
    Well? Go?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 1 November 2013 08: 39
      43
      It will not work with the Chinese, right now they will catch all those who are objectionable, shoot, plant and a mustache.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 08: 46
        14
        I agree, they won’t get in there.
        1. INTER
          INTER 1 November 2013 08: 58
          +8
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I agree, they won’t get in there.

          Do you think those who did this did not know about the consequences? Of course they knew, and the attacks were likely to continue, the work of the ter organizations supervised by the West!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 09: 50
            11
            Quote: INTER
            Do you think those who did this did not know about the consequences? Of course they knew, and the attacks were likely to continue, the work of the ter organizations supervised by the West!

            Well, the fact that someone is adding fuel to the fire is a no brainer. But with the continuation of the riots, this is unlikely. I repeat, there will be no ceremony with the Uyghurs, the state security in China is now on top, and demonstrative executions are regularly held, and this is an excellent demotivator. The situation with terrorism is much worse here, they beat us with one hand and stroke with the other. The prerequisites for terrorist attacks are created by the state. Islamization of the Caucasus is in full swing only with the knowledge of the authorities.
        2. APES
          APES 1 November 2013 09: 03
          10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          stricter and more efficient, compared with Russia, the work of Chinese law enforcement agencies


          I think someone should be ashamed
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 09: 30
            +1
            Quote: APES
            I think someone should be ashamed

            ????????
          2. mole
            mole 1 November 2013 19: 35
            0
            Quote: APES
            stricter and more efficient, compared with Russia, the work of Chinese law enforcement agencies

            I especially liked it!
        3. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 1 November 2013 09: 16
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          they won’t get in there.


          Greetings! But do we hang out with terrorists ??
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 09: 26
            +7
            Quote: LaGlobal
            Greetings! But do we hang out with terrorists ??

            Everything is relative. Chinese legislation will be tougher than ours, and they don’t look back at human rights there again.
          2. Deniska999
            Deniska999 1 November 2013 09: 57
            +8
            And why put those who were caught? They need to shoot.
            1. Renat
              Renat 1 November 2013 10: 23
              11
              Not only to shoot, but also how the Chinese comrades make an account for 2 rounds to send to the family of the executed.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 1 November 2013 10: 33
                +1
                Quote: Renat
                Not only to shoot, but also how the Chinese comrades make an account for 2 rounds to send to the family of the executed.
                So did the German comrades (well, that is, they were also Parteigenosse) under Comrade Adolf.
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                  1. True
                    True 1 November 2013 12: 30
                    +2
                    First it was necessary to finish off the resettled (arrogant Saxons).
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        4. nnz226
          nnz226 1 November 2013 21: 57
          +2
          There in China, all sorts of "circus freaks" - human rights activists, such as Kovalev, Novodvorskaya and other shushary, will not yap on TV, telling what bad feds are, and what white and fluffy "fighters for independence". and just a little, they will remember in China about the "hills of irreverence", when for behavior undesirable to the authorities they could cut out not only a separate village, but also the entire district, and put a hill out of their heads. China does not care about the "progressive public opinion of democratic countries", where will these "democracies" go from nowadays China ?!
      2. combat192
        combat192 1 November 2013 09: 00
        +6
        Since 1949 years can not catch.
        Since the founding of the republic, China has had problems of a national religious nature in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.
        Even the military district there bears the name - special.
        1. yllo
          yllo 1 November 2013 09: 06
          +7
          The Chinese are easier, they do not have a moratorium on the death penalty.
          1. knn54
            knn54 1 November 2013 14: 24
            +4
            -yllo: It’s easier for the Chinese, they don’t have a moratorium on the death penalty.
            They do not have venal generals and politicians who supplied arms to Chechnya and financed the military criminal authority of Dudaev.
        2. APES
          APES 1 November 2013 09: 09
          +4
          quote = combat192] Since 1949 years can’t catch. [/ quote]

          The Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) is not the only problem of this kind for China.

          Much worse for China is the showdown between the "rich" South and the "poor" North.
          In my opinion, there (in China) such porridge can be brewed, especially since many will contribute to this.

          if you look at the history, then the most bloody civil wars were in China, almost 50% of the inhabitants of the Celestial Empire were cut out in the process of such a showdown there.
          1. Samy
            Samy 1 November 2013 09: 18
            +3
            There will be no such showdown. Firstly, the north is extremely loyal to the central government. Secondly, tens of billions of dollars are rushing into the North, the most powerful construction. Xinjiang is precisely the Islamic issue, the author is right.
          2. Anubis Gorynych
            Anubis Gorynych 1 November 2013 11: 42
            0
            according to Fursov, when a young population reaches 50% of the total threshold, a revolution is inevitable. True, he predicted it was the United States, where in his opinion there would be a conflict between poor young color and rich white. And religion will not matter here.
      3. Alexei
        Alexei 1 November 2013 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Igor39
        It will not work with the Chinese, right now they will catch all those who are objectionable, shoot, plant and a mustache.

        Yeah, lost citizens will quickly find a replacement. crying
      4. StolzSS
        StolzSS 1 November 2013 22: 43
        +3
        And I'm completely on the side of the Chinese. These lousy bearded in a different way and do not understand angry
    2. Field
      Field 1 November 2013 12: 20
      +1
      "In fairness, it should be noted that, most likely, the separatist movement in China will not reach the same strength as in the Russian Federation. Both the relatively low number of Uyghurs in China itself and the tougher and more effective one in comparison with Russia work against the separatists. the work of the Chinese security forces. "

      I do not think
    3. air wolf
      air wolf 1 November 2013 15: 07
      0
      It is necessary to send to America all those who wish from the Caucasus as sponsorship and pay 10000 Baku rubles for leaving without returning, then Boston will seem to them just hooliganism!
    4. alone
      alone 1 November 2013 23: 16
      0
      the Chinese authorities this is not a bear tagged with your company. instantly they will punish everyone.
  2. Nayhas
    Nayhas 1 November 2013 08: 52
    0
    Both the Uyghur and North Caucasian separatists view their struggle not as national, but as religious (liberation of infidels from power), therefore they act on a united front.

    And how did the author come to this conclusion? The Uyghurs are fighting for survival, the fate of the Uyghur people is a vivid example of what will happen to the people who enslaved China.
    1. Samy
      Samy 1 November 2013 09: 15
      +3
      Connoisseurs, however ... Uighurs received new cities and roads, good medicine, inclusion in a large and powerful country. If not for China, it would be a backward region like Afghanistan.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 1 November 2013 21: 14
        +2
        Quote: Samy
        Connoisseurs, however ... Uighurs received new cities and roads, good medicine, inclusion in a large and powerful country. If not for China, it would be a backward region like Afghanistan.

        The song is familiar. Reminds me of the excuses of a husband who regularly beats his wife and she writes statements to him, such as what she needs? I dress her, feed her, but she would have disappeared without me for a long time ... Well, sometimes I hit while drunk, so for love ...
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 1 November 2013 16: 24
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      The Uyghurs are fighting for survival, the fate of the Uyghur people is a vivid example of what will happen to the people who enslaved China.

      In the same way, you can tell the CIS-rams and others like them Pro-Balts, who from time to time require compensation for their unforgettable enslavement by Russia, which was the USSR.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 1 November 2013 21: 17
        0
        Quote: Alexej
        In the same way, you can tell the CIS-rams and others like them Pro-Balts, who from time to time require compensation for their unforgettable enslavement by Russia, which was the USSR.

        Do not say, the bastards are still those ... they wanted freedom, skiing, independence ... They were shot a little ...
        You can give up the whole country to China and experience the paternal care of the CCP, well, there we will build roads, factories and other nyashki ...
  3. Ptah
    Ptah 1 November 2013 08: 53
    +8
    Against the separatists they work as a relatively low number of Uyghurs in China itself,

    And when did this stop the Islamists? If desired, "abroad will help them", and this desire never subsided.
    more stringent and effective, compared with Russia, the work of Chinese law enforcement agencies.
    .
    Will crush quickly and hard. Despite the cries of human rights activists, while “killing” several “birds with one stone”.
    1. Distraction of the population from economic and social problems.
    2. The ability to test the created types of weapons.
    3. Showing the world that it is time to reckon with the Yellow Dragon.
    etc.
    1. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 1 November 2013 09: 01
      +3
      They Communists rule, and they have bucks.
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 1 November 2013 09: 03
      +7
      They have their own "get-together" there, and the devil himself will break his leg in these showdowns.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 1 November 2013 09: 22
        +6
        Quote: Valery Neonov
        They have their own "get-together" there

        This is yes. And they also have before their eyes such an interesting little book as "The collapse of the USSR". The Chinese know how to draw conclusions. And where “Ryusky Vanya” shouted from the stands “of change, weyyyy are waiting for the change, the Chinese people will significantly keep silent and, not giving a damn about all the“ world opinion ”, they will carry out an operation to cut the abscess until its breakthrough occurs. In the style of "a la Stalin".
        In my opinion, they will have to do this sooner or later. The question is when. Better in the very near future, while the whole world is distracted by events in the BV and other parts of the world.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 11: 34
          +2
          good It's a pity there is no emoticon clapping.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 1 November 2013 12: 17
            +4
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            It's a pity there is no emoticon clapping.

            1

            I have.......

            2

            Sure, not a problem. Copy and place as a picture.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 18: 21
              +2
              Thanks buddy. drinks
  4. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 1 November 2013 08: 55
    +7
    In general, any country has its own strengths and weaknesses, the Anglo-Saxons find them very quickly and begin to methodically beat at one point, as it turned out, for the collapse of the USSR it was enough: Radio Svoboda and McDonald's so that the Soviet people would forget their past and go into a drunken state the intoxication of the 90s, China has other weaknesses of the Anglo-Saxons for a long time, but they have not been "tightly" engaged in China yet, 90% of the efforts were spent on the USSR, although to the credit of China, unlike the USSR, the Chinese were not led to Radio Liberty and fast food, and they hid their Gorbachev under house arrest, where he died safely. The trouble with the Evil Empires is that, unlike the Empire of Good, they only defend themselves without ever going on the offensive, and the United States and its “friends” have all the initiative. What is it asked for a fight, when one boxer stands tightly in the middle of the ring in defense, and the other is spinning around him and looking for weak spots, and if he gets tired he can go to rest having arranged a "detente" or "conference on disarmament." I hope that the Chinese once again learn from Ross's experience Ii, which lost the war in Chechnya and is now paying tribute to it, although it can in principle wipe the separatists and terrorists to powder, but we chose to submit to them, build the Name of Russia mosques, etc. I hope at least the Chinese will hang their separatists in the mountains of Tibet for one place, and they will not appoint one of the terrorists as the head of the problem area, as in one other country.
    1. 3935333
      3935333 1 November 2013 09: 19
      +3
      pays tribute - sounds very insulting! I almost put a minus ... "to submit to them" ------ it would be better to grind it into powder.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 1 November 2013 09: 26
        19
        Quote: 3935333
        pays tribute - it sounds very disappointing!

        More precisely, they stuck a pacifier -
        1. twister
          twister 1 November 2013 13: 32
          +3
          And when she gets drunk, she is already shivering but sucks everything!
      2. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 1 November 2013 09: 43
        +3
        I agree, it sounds insulting. But the Chinese government also overwhelms the XUAR with money, gives local businessmen serious benefits and looks through the fingers at the number of children in the family. They consider that money is better than blood.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 1 November 2013 18: 36
          +2
          Quote: Andrew 447
          I agree, it sounds insulting. But the Chinese government also overwhelms the XUAR with money, gives local businessmen serious benefits and looks through the fingers at the number of children in the family. They consider that money is better than blood.

          Who has information in China that the slogan "enough to feed the XUAR" is fashionable or not?
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 1 November 2013 09: 02
    +7
    Well, the Chinese in their MOTHERLAND one and a half milliards do not interrupt them with any terrorist attacks (explosives are simply not enough)
    I think that Chinese justice will organize several show trials with Kalashnikovs in their stadiums - a very effective ideological antidote to terror.
  6. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 1 November 2013 09: 04
    +6
    In China, the areas where the Uyghurs rebel are populated by the Chinese from the central regions. Soon there will be very few Uyghurs in percent.
    1. 3935333
      3935333 1 November 2013 09: 26
      +3
      and the Uigurs are simply stoned, and the rest are faded into Afghanistan, or with the help of the West they will start a long terrorist and guerrilla war, because read:
      XUAR occupies a middle position in Eurasia, its area is 1 km², which is one sixth of the territory of China. Xinjiang has a 743 km long land border with eight states: Mongolia, Russia (western part of the Russian-Chinese border, about 441 km), Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan (Bedel Pass), Tajikistan and Afghanistan (about 5600 km), as well as the northern territories of the Indian state Jammu and Kashmir controlled by Pakistan. The region also borders the Chinese provinces of Gansu, Qinghai and the Tibet Autonomous Region. In the Jungar basin of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Okrug, at the point with coordinates 45 north latitude, 80 east longitude (a little to the west and north of Urumqi), there is the most remote land point on Earth. It is 46,158 kilometers from the open sea.
      In ancient times, the Great Silk Road passed through the region.
      The northern part of the territory is occupied by the sandy-loamy Dzungarian plain, the southern - by the Kashgar plain (Tarim depression), in the central part of which is the sandy desert of Takla-Makan. Between the plains lie the mountain ranges of the Eastern Tien Shan (altitude of about 7000 m). moreover, Uigurs more than 8 million 47% of the population. (there is even a small diaspora of our Russians almost 9000 people. In such a territory with such a landscape Uigurs will kick for a very long time !!!
    2. varov14
      varov14 1 November 2013 12: 29
      +1
      The national question is the most painful and cunning. Each person correlates with a certain nationality and this layman (it’s clear that I’m one of them, don’t think of what) is suggested that it turns out that they aren’t independent at all, beat on the kidneys, although a person can grow paradise apples at that moment. And even if religiously he belongs to another denomination, then this is an explosive mixture, he is enslaved twice. In 100% of cases, the own national elite is to blame, of course often from someone else’s filing, but their own. Do you think she’s having a bad life, but it didn’t happen at all, no, she just wants to steer without looking at anyone, people are always on their side as a work force. Of course, independent taxiing is an apparent thing, they are dripping for money, on both sides, and from whom they are fighting and who are inciting. Inhabitants - keep your eyes open, you can inadvertently lose the Garden of Eden too.
  7. makarov
    makarov 1 November 2013 09: 07
    +6
    In Chinese law, the word "humanity" has a very different meaning than that of Europeans. After the execution, relatives of the executed with them pay only the cost of ammunition, payment for the use of weapons and transportation costs for delivery to the place of execution, from relatives well, "no, no ...". They call this approach humanity.
  8. Guilty
    Guilty 1 November 2013 09: 08
    -6
    Quote: Standard Oil
    the experience of Russia, which lost the war in Chechnya and now pays tribute to it,

    Oooooooooo !!!!! ALARMA !!!!!!!! Egeeeeeeeeee !!!!!! HELP !!!!! He incites hatred !!!!! Atu him !!!
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 1 November 2013 09: 14
      +4
      Are you ill? And is there any help?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 1 November 2013 09: 17
        +2
        In the ward number 6, a certificate is not required smile there all their guys will understand these emotions without words.
        1. Guilty
          Guilty 1 November 2013 09: 22
          +3
          Gentlemen, I didn't want to offend anyone. Looks like the day before about that same "discord" re-read))) Well, they attract attention to her. It's scary to live)))))
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 1 November 2013 09: 31
            +5
            Quote: Guilty
            It's terribly scary to live)

            The VO forum upsets your inarticulate cries.
            And causes sincere concern for your mental state.
            Pull yourself together, please. hi
            1. Guilty
              Guilty 1 November 2013 12: 34
              +1
              I wildly apologize, but why didn’t you like my phrase that you quoted?
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 1 November 2013 12: 50
                +3
                Yes, I see that everything is fine with you. The phrase "arranged" - I'm afraid myself recourse
  9. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 1 November 2013 09: 13
    +2
    Quickly, in which case they did not succeed in crushing the Uyghurs, they spread all over China. A lot of Uyghurs also live in southern China, especially in Guangzhou. The pattern of their spread around China is the same as ours. They live on the outskirts of cities or in nearby villages. They sell fruit, food, etc., keep halal restaurants and cafes.
  10. pahom54
    pahom54 1 November 2013 09: 20
    +3
    Chechnya will not be in China, because if ministers are shot there, then the terrorists and their relatives will not be greeted up to and including the 33rd knee.
    But in general, I did not want to touch on this topic, but again the same thing: Islam, Islam, militant Islam ... Fucking professional revolutionaries, if you dig deeper - there is some kind of struggle for some ideals and for some kind of liberation. .. The reluctance to work, the reluctance to study, and then the cunning uncles drove up - we’ll add hunks to you, we’ll give you a shit and smoke, but here you are and take the crap here and there ... All these suicide bombers are simply degraded individuals, moral under the control of cunning industrial revolutionaries.
    I repeat once again - in China this number will not work, a sea of ​​blood will be shed and everyone will drown.
    And we would need that, there are no other methods of combating terrorism. The moratorium on the death penalty in Russia has long been time to cancel.
  11. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 1 November 2013 10: 31
    +1
    Both the Uigur and North Caucasian separatists view their struggle not as a national, but as a religious one (liberation from the power of the infidels), therefore they act as a united front. The Uigurs fought on the side of the separatists in Chechnya, and today they are fighting side by side with their "Caucasian brothers" in Syria and Afghanistan.

    The "bonfire" began to be fueled by Anglo-Saxon banknotes to the "joy" of Islamic extremists.
    And in order to extinguish this bonfire, a united front is also needed, and not a game in this front with empty chatter. Our power structures should unite their efforts with them.
  12. svskor80
    svskor80 1 November 2013 10: 36
    +1
    If the West is not interested in stirring up a conflict, then nothing will happen. But I think it will be interesting to the Americans and the Chinese will have problems.
  13. Revolver
    Revolver 1 November 2013 10: 49
    +2
    My attitude towards the Islamists is well known here - some of the adherents of Islam have already attached the label "Islamophobe" to me. But the fact that the Islamists have created a sickly sore in a sensitive place in China is good. The more hemorrhoids the Chinese have inside, the less likely they are to direct aggression outside. And it would be even better if all al-Qaids take the struggle of the Chinese Muslims to heart and begin to help them with the mujahideen. The Chinese authorities, as many have noticed here, will not stand on ceremony with these mujahideen. And a Mujahid who was shot in China will definitely not jihad in the Caucasus, Syria, or anywhere else.
  14. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 1 November 2013 10: 58
    +1
    This is not a scenario for China and Russia. This is the scenario for the whole world. They already have the Internationale debugged, they have a center, they have a strategy, they have money. In my opinion, it would be time to neutralize and destroy this center with the creation of conditions for the impossibility of its resurrection. Together, Russia and China can do it. You only need political will, and it is possible only with a sane leadership ...
  15. morpogr
    morpogr 1 November 2013 11: 21
    0
    It seems that the State Department and the CIA will right now begin to develop an option: it’s not terrorists but rebels who are fighters for freedom and independence from China. For the United States, this is a way of pressure.
  16. Algor73
    Algor73 1 November 2013 11: 37
    0
    The Chinese government will draw the proper conclusions from this, and the concept of "separatism" will disappear from their everyday life for a while.
  17. Anubis Gorynych
    Anubis Gorynych 1 November 2013 11: 45
    0
    communicated the other day with a respected Muslim Haji, so in his opinion, the Uyghur-Dungan problem for China is not relevant precisely because of the number of Uyghurs. But this does not prevent the organization of bloody riots. And China will not be allowed to overlook it.
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 1 November 2013 12: 13
      +2
      Quote: Anubis Gorynych
      the Uyghur-Dungan problem is not relevant for China precisely because of the number of Uyghurs.


      There are almost 10 millions of Uighurs in China. Dungan and more. (Dungans are Han people who converted to Islam).
      ----------
      For comparison, the Chechen population in Russia is 1,4 million people. This is all over Russia.
      -----------
      The Uyghur and Dungan revolts in China continued almost uninterruptedly .. all 19 century. The essence of the uprisings was massacre and robbery. And no political requirements.
      -----------
      So the "mine" in China is ticking - Be healthy! .. And the Chinese know it. The balance rests solely on an unshakable order and strong central government in China.
      But! with the slightest liberalism ... this mine will explode.
  18. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 1 November 2013 11: 55
    +1
    the Uyghur liberation movement without support from abroad is futile; by this support I mean support from neighboring Central Asian countries. and as such support, it’s enough just not to interfere with the Uyghur diasporas to help their fellow tribesmen. At present, precisely because of the friendly position of the local leaders towards the PRC - former members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, firearms, explosives, etc., practically do not fall into eastern Turkestan, most of the anti-Chinese actions that took place in the region were carried out using cold steel and accordingly, they were ineffective.
    in case the leadership of neighboring countries changes, increased activity of Uyghur organizations is quite expected. at present, uzbekistan, tajikistan and kyrgyzstan, having shown their economic insolvency, are dumping their social services. tension in Russia, if in Russia anti-migrant sentiment escalates into a real struggle of the state against migrants, a significant part of them will be forced to return to their homeland, and then the Karimov and Rakhmonov regimes can become unstable. In conjunction with the strengthening of the position of the Taliban and its allies in Afghanistan, Central Asia can expect significant radicalization, some of which will be redirected to eastern Turkestan. Such processes can be organizationally and financially supported by Turkey and the Gulf countries, and in the future (as US-Chinese contradictions increase), the United States. retaliatory reprisals from the Chinese will only strengthen the position of the IWT and similar organizations.
  19. Savva30
    Savva30 1 November 2013 13: 00
    +1
    The Chinese easily go to the death penalty, their media are controlled, if necessary, block the Internet, which allows them to spend as much objectionable as circumstances require ...
  20. twister
    twister 1 November 2013 13: 35
    +1
    China will not be obliged to swim in the proceedings, and the horse knows where the wind blows so that he can be changed right away or completely unscrewed!
  21. Petrik66
    Petrik66 1 November 2013 14: 16
    0
    The opinion about China as a united power is greatly exaggerated, there are big contradictions - North, South, a lot of small (by Chinese standards) peoples, there is a Muslim factor. The parallel with the USSR can be traced. As long as there is unity among the Ellites, there is also an effective vertical, including analogues of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the Army. As soon as a hush up at the top begins, a decrease in the level of fear of the punitive authorities immediately begins, and therefore their effectiveness decreases. The Caucasus also did not particularly chirp during the USSR, there were uprisings, but by means of planting and "pacification" of especially confused people it was possible to keep everyone in a relative rein. As the Gorbachev era began, everything began to fall apart. The Chinese have shot their "liberals" in Tiananmen, and that's all calmed down, would have given a slack - everything fell apart. Well, here's the answer - outweigh a hundred ringleaders and there are a hundred years of happiness ahead, enter into a discussion with them - there is a sea of ​​blood ahead, as we had in 1917, 1991.
    1. Raphael_83
      Raphael_83 1 November 2013 17: 15
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      But now, on a short way from the Kremlin to the Lubyanka, Felix Edmundovich
      not distracted by wonderful thoughts, he wondered where to start, in
      which cameras to place the arrested and which investigators to throw at the most
      important area of ​​work today. And shortly before that, he also negotiated with
      The Central Committee for his beloved Cheka the right to impose extrajudicial sentences on the spot
      enforce them.
      Since he knew well from personal experience that from idiotic practice,
      when the investigation is conducted alone, and the sentences are pronounced completely different, nothing
      the current politics and tasks of the moment are not intelligent; there is little use. He would be in
      his time, bring him to serve in the gendarmerie, any of his current
      associates, and Vladimir Ilyich, too, would be trampled into indefinite penal servitude,
      so that it was not inconsequential to conduct anti-monarchist propaganda. And then weighed them
      for a couple of years, links to places that were pleasant for life and received thanks
      Ipatiev cellar and many thousands of nameless ditches.
      (V. Zvyagintsev "Odysseus leaves Ithaca", part 3 "Reconnaissance in force") hi
  22. marshes
    marshes 1 November 2013 14: 16
    +4
    Good time of day.
    There is no need to compare the Uighurs with the Caucasians, the mentality is different, they are not "militant". They are mostly dehkans and traders. Even when in the 40s they were fighting for independence, they could actually get it. Most of the fighting units were Kazakhs and White Cossacks.
    XUAR is a gift of Stalin Mao.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 1 November 2013 19: 02
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      Good time of day.
      There is no need to compare the Uighurs with the Caucasians, the mentality is different, they are not "militant". They are mostly dehkans and traders.

      It seems that when our specialists "Uighur militants" took in Almaty there were losses, is it not our professionalism or their fighting spirit?
      1. marshes
        marshes 1 November 2013 19: 11
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        Quote: Semurg
        "Uyghur militants"

        There were no losses, the "old guard" was working, the armored personnel carrier gave a queue from the KVPT, then they went to the assault ... The migrants had losses, who decided to check the documents of the tenants of the mansion.
  23. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 1 November 2013 14: 17
    +6
    East Turkestans (the common name for the Turkic-speaking peoples of Xinjiang) are aggressively reacting to the fact that their native land is already flooded with the Chinese, who wash away their original culture, replacing the Chinese. If a hundred years ago in East Turkestan the Han people had a gulkin nose, now they are already the majority of the population.
    Xinjiang was formally related to the Qin Empire (and then to the Republic of China). As soon as the Han officials took out the local population, the local Turks instantly raised both officials and garrison soldiers to knives. Then the Han people, through bribery and "affection", restored their political positions in the region. In the middle of the 20th century, Xinjiang practically became an independent republic. Moreover, it was not excluded that it would become part of the USSR. The Soviet Union actively helped the eastern Turkestanis in the formation of a modern army, hundreds of regular intelligence officers of the USSR wore the uniform of the army of the East Turkestan Republic / VTR (ethnic Russians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tatars), even tanks were supplied. The fact is that the main power in China then belonged to the Kuomintang, which, after the death of Sun Yat Sen, began to pursue an anti-Soviet policy, and Moscow did not miss the opportunity to spoil the neighboring country, feeding the separatist movements (before that, the USSR split Mongolia from China). In addition to the professional VTR army, a Kazakh partisan movement under the leadership of Ospan-batyr operated in the region, which was also assisted by the government of Mongolia and Choibalsan personally.
    However, the situation soon changed in China, the Kuomintang got in the teeth from the communists led by Mao, who became close friends with Stalin. Seeing Mao's loyalty, Stalin radically changed his policy towards the ATR. Moreover, the Soviet Union probably even contributed to the physical destruction of the VTR government, which in full force flew to Moscow for negotiations, but the plane "accidentally" crashed on the way. While there was anarchy and confusion in the VTR, the Chinese communist army took over the region. The VTR army, created and controlled by Moscow, showed no resistance, but was disbanded and included in the Chinese army (Soviet officers left the country, except for the "deep-rooted" intelligence officers). A cross was put on the independence of East Turkestan. Well, and the partisans Ospan-batyr (who did not support communist ideas and rejected the state awards of the USSR and Mongolia, calling them contemptuously useless pieces of iron) were bluntly poured out to the Chinese, who immediately executed him, since Ospan-batyr was ready to destroy any Chinese - even the Kuomintang , even though the communists. He waged his own "patriotic war."
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 1 November 2013 14: 19
      +5
      After the inclusion of WTR (now XUAR) in the PRC, everything was relatively calm at first, but then the region began to be sintered and then the Uighurs took up clubs and brass knuckles. In the past decade, Beijing has somewhat changed its policy towards non-Han regions. Because force to subjugate the Türks, Tibetans is useless - they make a bucket every year, now China has decided to overwhelm them with gingerbread in the form of multibillion investments in the local economy. Money really flows there, but so far the Uyghurs and Tibetans have become not much more loyal. And they’re doing it right. Even one and a half thousand years ago, the Türks wrote on their stone steles that those Türks who are seduced by the Chinese way of life quickly perish as an ethnos and turn into one hundred percent tobacco (the so-called Chinese and Chinese Sinic Turks, Jurchens, Mongols). All the conquerors of China, who remained to live among the Chinese, assimilated completely. And very fast. Uyghurs do not want to turn into Chinese. It is the Chinese Kazakh who can move to Kazakhstan as a last resort (there are about 1 million Kazakhs there), and the Uyghur has nowhere to go (although they move to Kazakhstan all the time). Although this is a non-military, but a purely peaceful agricultural-trading nation, they still have their Stephenian roots. They will shed a lot of Chinese blood.
      1. marshes
        marshes 1 November 2013 14: 34
        +5
        Greetings Marek, the Uyghurs I confirm mainly traders and farmers, no matter how I served in Chundzha for some time, and I come across them in the city and in the neighborhood. I have not seen any "bearded" among them, except for those near New Square, only those were not very religious, and besides, they were citizens of China.
  24. Leisure
    Leisure 1 November 2013 15: 20
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    The Chinese will win. Uyghurs run out faster.
  25. silver_roman
    silver_roman 1 November 2013 15: 59
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    and more stringent and effective, compared with Russia, the work of Chinese law enforcement agencies.

    as for me this line is completely untrue.
    Something I do not recall the terrorist attacks on Red Square GLORY TO GOD.
    And it seems to me that the attention of terrorists is much more closely focused on the Russian Federation than on China and, accordingly, the level of threat and probability of terrorist attacks are higher. This situation persists today, but we hear about KTR in Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc. My point is that our special services and intelligence work in concert. Of course there are misses, as in Volgograd, but no one is safe from this!
  26. Ddhal
    Ddhal 1 November 2013 16: 23
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    It’s not too late to fence off the problem with barbed wire, because in the future you will have to fence around and imprison yourself when it becomes impossible to endure the integration of the Sevkavzombi ..
  27. Stasi
    Stasi 1 November 2013 20: 19
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    Of course, in terms of force, the Chinese are stronger than the Uyghurs. The so-called Chechen scenario in China will not work, there really are no corrupt politicians and generals who are withdrawing troops from the rebel territory and leaving the rebels whole arsenals of weapons. So in case of conflict, the Uighurs have nothing to hope for. The surest way to defeat the enemy is to change his thinking in the direction necessary for himself. Then the enemy will become your friend or ally. I think Chinese specialists in psychological warfare and ideological sabotage are working on this with respect to the separatists.
  28. Chechen
    Chechen 1 November 2013 23: 58
    +2
    Well, you give Russian !!! As if Chechnya would attack Russia .. Aren't you ashamed? In the early 90s, Russia was exclusively engaged in ... grabbing and dividing the Soviet "dowry" ... and Saudi bandits huddled Chechnya ... Hadji there, money here ... Chechens were Muslims conditionally ... I will explain if adats ( the laws of the fathers) contradict Muslims, priority is given to adat ... Russia left the republic, nationalists immediately appeared (what to blame for Chechnya, during this time we learned a new nation - Ancient Ukrainians) and their financiers Saudi ... We already had Syria .. ...
  29. Chechen
    Chechen 2 November 2013 00: 09
    +2
    And in general, what do you want to share with me? A generation has grown up in Chechnya that does not know the Russian language ... fight further against "Chechen terrorism", and I will get down to business ... My family will stand for Russia and there are already casualties, and you have losses in this war?
  30. Russ69
    Russ69 2 November 2013 03: 43
    +1
    Quote: Chechen
    My family will stand for Russia and there are already victims, but do you have losses in this war?

    God forbid, there are more people like you. Preferably without sacrifices.
  31. iConst
    iConst 2 November 2013 15: 03
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    Quote: Igor39
    It will not work with the Chinese, right now they will catch all those who are objectionable, shoot, plant and a mustache.

    And all the "human rights activists" will not even utter a word. Whether it is business "Rush" to kick ...