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Finland and Sweden have become enemies of NATO

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Finland and Sweden have become enemies of NATO

The large-scale exercises of the North Atlantic Alliance Steadfast Jazz will be held on November 2-6. About six thousand troops from 20 NATO member states will take part in them. In the maneuvers involve ground, naval and air forces, as well as special forces.


According to legend, the alleged enemy will be located on the territory of Sweden and Finland, which are indicated on the exercise map by the fictitious names of countries: Otso, Botnia, Framland and Torrike. Russia and Belarus are not indicated in the script. However, as noted by Finnish experts, the exercises are supposed to have captured the territory of Finland and Sweden and now pose a threat to the Baltic states and Poland.

A commentary published in the Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat suggests that NATO was afraid to irritate Russia, marking it as a virtual enemy in exercises. “The Alliance did not want to publicly state that Russia is actually an imaginary enemy. Finland and Sweden are designated as NATO’s“ aggressors ”only because the Steadfast Jazz exercise will work out an action plan for an alliance that faces a threat coming from the Baltic Gulf. In any case, the echoes of the Cold War have already re-sounded in Europe, "the newspaper comments.

Finnish confidence that NATO does not view their country as a likely adversary, confirmed Finnish Prime Minister Jyrki Katainen. He said that “traditionally, NATO knows and appreciates the experience and skills of Finland in defense. Suomi also conducts exercises on the territory of NATO member countries and participates in joint crisis management operations. It would be strange if their opinion of Finland’s capabilities in this the sphere has changed. "

However, so far no one can clearly explain the absurdity of the official version of the NATO scenario of exercises, according to which the threat to the security of the Baltic States and Poland is Finland and Sweden, whose armed forces are focused on ensuring self-defense, and not on military aggression.

“The designation of a probable adversary in the exercise is a problem for both sides: for Russia and NATO,” Dmitry Danilov, head of the European Security Department at the Institute of Europe, RAS, told RG. He noted that the North Atlantic Alliance had never marked our country as a likely opponent in the exercise. Moreover, at the summit in Lisbon, NATO and Russia declared that they did not pose a threat to each other.

“I don’t think that the alliance seeks to push Finland and Sweden into NATO membership, designating them as a fictitious opponent. On the contrary, within this organization there is an understanding that the situation should not be heated. NATO is satisfied that the Finns and Swedes are not seeking to formal membership, they actively cooperate with the alliance not only within the framework of exercises, but also in peacekeeping activities, "said Danilov.

According to him, there is a loud concern from the northern and Baltic states about the increasing, in their opinion, military activity of Russia in the region, provoking retaliatory measures. Russia, for its part, does not understand why, for example, it is necessary to patrol the airspace of the Baltic states with NATO combat aircraft. "All this testifies to the apparent lack of mutual trust and how dangerous the military activity of two powerful military machines existing in Europe under these conditions can be, in the military planning of which elements of mutual deterrence still inevitably remain," Danilov concluded.

Comment

Janus Putkonen, a Finnish political analyst, editor-in-chief of the Verkkomediya information portal:

“There are two unofficial interpretations of the Steadfast Jazz exercise scenario. First: NATO is working through a situation in which Russia attacks or is preparing an attack on two neutral in the military sense countries: Finland and Sweden. It is assumed that the alliance in this case will provide them with military and other assistance. The second: NATO itself intends, using the territories of Finland and Sweden, to attack Russia. At the same time, oddly enough, NATO strategists did not think of working out a variant, in which, for example, one of the Western countries renounces its membership in the alliance and changes its military-political status.

The defense ministers of NATO and the Nordic countries claim that the NATO exercises will work out the military protection of the member countries of the alliance. But I want to ask, when did the alliance have to defend its territory? Never and never. NATO is an aggressive military bloc that conducts military operations outside its borders. So this time, the exercises involve active actions of the alliance on the territory of Finland and Sweden, which are not members of NATO.
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  1. Migari
    Migari 31 October 2013 11: 21
    +4
    Well, yes, we are now "partners", so for tolerance, let the Finns and the Swedes, conditional opponents, instead of us, and who else is occupying the Baltic States and Poland, Russia of course. Well, of course, in response to our teachings.
    1. Canep
      Canep 31 October 2013 11: 37
      +2
      Yes, they got smoked there, why did it take Otso, Botnia, Framland and Torrique to capture Finns and Swedes and then go to the Baltic and Poland through the Baltic Sea. It would be better on their part (for their defense and peace of mind) if they called things and countries by their names, and did not let the Russians and Belarusians attack Europe through Finland and Sweden. Yes, and it would be more interesting for us to see what they get.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 31 October 2013 14: 43
        +9
        Quote: Canep
        captured the territory of Finland and Sweden and now pose a threat to the Baltic states and Poland.


        Hmm. Well, for a mad dog, of course, this is not a hook. But you still need to learn geography.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 31 October 2013 19: 30
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          why do these Otso, Botnia, Framland and Torrique capture Finns and Swedes and then go to the Baltic states and Poland through the Baltic Sea.
          This is how NATO considers the Baltic States to be a springboard for attacking Russia. Finland at one time refused the status of a neutral state, so Karelia also needs to be kept in the zone of special attention. All Vikings and Shyutkorites are combined into a NATO military substructure --- it is pictured. There are Danes present (an interesting video clip about Rock fans about them), so everything is clear with the peacefulness of Scandinavia. Russian Ivans drinks
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 31 October 2013 19: 36
            +1
            Here it is, guys, cover it with all possible means!
  2. INTER
    INTER 31 October 2013 11: 22
    +1
    Are they in response to Russian teachings?
    1. alone
      alone 31 October 2013 21: 17
      +1
      no. they are in response to the Algerian-Tunisian teachings wassat Of course in response to the Russian.
  3. DEfindER
    DEfindER 31 October 2013 11: 24
    20
    Russia and Belarus are not indicated in the script in any way. However, according to Finnish experts, the exercises suggest that they seized the territory of Finland and Sweden and now pose a threat to the Baltic states and Poland.

    I immediately remembered the video:
    1. Polovec
      Polovec 31 October 2013 14: 46
      +6
      We have already thrown caps over the world more than once ...
      History teaches only that it teaches nothing.
      They are not fools and they won’t just waste money. What are they preparing for? Question to what?
      You can’t relax., Otherwise Kemsku parish will be taken away and not only.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 31 October 2013 20: 10
        +3
        Quote: Polovec
        You can’t relax., Otherwise Kemsku parish will be taken away and not only.
        Yes, you’ll relax against such people ...))) + drinks We’ll look vobla so that they don’t blow up each other soldier )))
        1. Kars
          Kars 31 October 2013 20: 13
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Yes, you’ll relax against such people ...)))

          Interesting to repost this material here?
          http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/10/blog-post_2258.html
    2. starhina01
      starhina01 31 October 2013 14: 51
      +2
      thank you cheered up good
    3. Muadipus
      Muadipus 31 October 2013 15: 03
      0
      +1 Video in the topic :) especially the ending "It is better to ask them, to protect us from NATO")))))
    4. Timur
      Timur 31 October 2013 17: 43
      0
      cool :). especially rubber pants. it's like a place for diapers.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 31 October 2013 23: 29
        0
        The campaign is not rubber, but from latex. Quite geyropeyski.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 October 2013 23: 38
          0
          No, these are NokiaN's famous Finnish army rubber boots.
  4. Alikovo
    Alikovo 31 October 2013 11: 28
    +1
    insanity of the Poles and the Baltic states grows stronger.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 31 October 2013 12: 50
      +1
      I do not think that this is insanity, this is a way to draw out the loot from the EU, for ,, protection from the aggressor ,,
  5. Sunjar
    Sunjar 31 October 2013 11: 36
    +8
    Yes, let there be hot in the underpants. The name of the opponent is not important at all. The main thing to remember is that all of Europe in the Third World War fought against the USSR. So, it should be understood that such a scenario is quite possible for itself, since not one of the European countries is able in fact to resist Russia. If someone decides to fight with us, they will only climb in a crowd and with support from abroad. Like, they don’t seem to help them.
    1. Canep
      Canep 31 October 2013 11: 40
      10
      Quote: Sunjar
      only a crowd will climb

      They will not climb in the crowd, everyone will think how to hide behind the neighbor’s back, and the attack will turn on the contrary, ass forward.
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 31 October 2013 11: 38
    +8
    At the same time, strangely enough, NATO strategists did not think of working out an option in which, for example, one of the western countries renounces its membership in the alliance and changes its military-political status.

    Nothing The US Air Force will quickly rectify the situation - they will bomb this country in the Stone Age - you can not break away from the team.
  7. Black
    Black 31 October 2013 11: 45
    +3
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    insanity of the Poles and the Baltic states grows stronger.

    In general, here they are fifth in line.
    Normal teachings. I don’t understand at all about scuffling around. There can be any legend, terrorists attacked us from the sea in tanks on the BDK, Botnia attacked them.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 31 October 2013 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Normal teachings.

      Ordinary exercises. And our troops are doing something similar. I see no reason to throw hysteria over conventional army training. Another thing is when the teachings are provocative. As it was recently in the Mediterranean.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 31 October 2013 20: 19
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Another thing is when the teachings are provocative.
        Or when the Patriot is deployed on Gotland
  8. NC1982
    NC1982 31 October 2013 11: 54
    +5
    Fine! And what do Finnish Swedes like suckers, not being members of the alliance, allow strangers to have fun on their land? This is what kind of desert after themselves the brave guys from NATO will leave a crowd of 6000 pairs of kirzachs, plus they will also blow up and bomb ... wassat
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 31 October 2013 11: 56
    +2
    a threat to the security of the Baltic states and Poland is Finland and Sweden,

    yelled. because the navels of the earth, well, literally everyone wants to conquer them in order to profit from their wealth.
  10. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 31 October 2013 12: 18
    +6
    The title is provocative to draw attention to the publication, while the publication itself says
    So this time, the exercises suggest active actions of the alliance in Finland and Sweden, which are not members of NATO.

    Sweden and Finland do not need to join NATO, because they are de facto members of the anti-Russian forces and their armed forces are 100% consistent with NATO standards. As during the Second World War, and now they are at full disposal for the aggressor.
    1. knn54
      knn54 31 October 2013 13: 39
      +3
      - Peaceful military: Sweden and Finland do not need to join NATO.
      For NATO, the Arctic is necessary, however.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 31 October 2013 14: 29
        0
        Quote: knn54
        - Peaceful military: Sweden and Finland do not need to join NATO.
        For NATO, the Arctic is necessary, however.

        Since they are de facto in NATO, if you need to formalize it legally, there will be no problems. It was the same with their entry into the EU.
  11. Grbear
    Grbear 31 October 2013 12: 23
    +4
    And why are the generals toiling? Name blues and reds. Keep on playing calmly. Everyone will understand.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 31 October 2013 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: GrBear
      And why are the generals toiling? Name blues and reds. Keep on playing calmly. Everyone will understand.

      Political correctness does not allow them with the "gays" wassat
  12. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 31 October 2013 12: 41
    0
    Far-fetched pretexts for aggression, far-fetched pretexts for exercises ... This is a stupid "trick" of NATO.
    The reasons for military activity are being "sucked out" - this is not new.
  13. HAM
    HAM 31 October 2013 12: 58
    +2
    De bily, Poland and the "Baltic countries" pose a threat to themselves, why do they have already been "under occupation", only losses, no benefit from them.
  14. bddrus
    bddrus 31 October 2013 13: 19
    0
    not only the Iskanders but also the Bastions a couple dozen crews should be put in the region (it’s a pity that we don’t have so much)
  15. morpogr
    morpogr 31 October 2013 13: 24
    +4
    How do the Balts and Poles imagine themselves to be great states that Russia will attack them and occupy them and ask them to build new bases. That is, they ask themselves to be occupied by NATO. The Baltic states will soon destroy themselves with such an economic policy, and the Poles will simply deal with everyone as usual just start to ignore everywhere.
  16. Wedmak
    Wedmak 31 October 2013 13: 41
    +3
    Damn, guys ... you would at least give out the numbers to whom we are in what order to attack. And then we are barbarians, we can mix them up ... by accident.
  17. Polovec
    Polovec 31 October 2013 14: 42
    +3
    The main thing in this info is that they learn to fight. Work out the interaction and coherence of troops and control. We just can't relax. An extra reminder that Russia has no friends.
  18. starhina01
    starhina01 31 October 2013 14: 56
    0
    as it’s rather weak with revival hi They can’t come up with anything new. They could also ask us. We would have come up with am soldier
  19. pensioner
    pensioner 31 October 2013 15: 06
    +1
    However, according to Finnish experts, the exercises suggest that they seized the territory of Finland and Sweden and now pose a threat to the Baltic states and Poland.
    Cunningly conceived ... It is not otherwise that the enemy wants to attack the Baltic States and Poland from the rear ... Of course, the hook is too big. But then the surprise will be provided. Hannibal nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
  20. individual
    individual 31 October 2013 15: 10
    +1
    Nothing new.
    Another NATO scarecrow on introducing Stockholm and Helsinki into its sphere of interests.
    De jure in no way, therefore act de facto.
  21. pahom54
    pahom54 31 October 2013 15: 18
    +2
    There can’t even be any discussion here, questions are being worked out of the possibility of conducting military operations against Russia by the NATO bloc. Well, let them tell us again that the missile defense systems deployed in Poland, Romania and others like them are not directed against us.
    Also, such pages as Sweden and Finland, the territory of which Russia does not need to (their northern territories beyond measure, have not been developed), look strange in this case, knowingly letting the States drag themselves into a dirty game. Where is their neutrality and independence ???
    In general, this is just the beginning, on the eve of the struggle for the North and the Arctic.
    So you need to conduct exercises more often near their borders, so you need to re-develop your North and the Northern Sea Route, develop infrastructure there, both civilian and military.
    And with Finns and Swedes to find such a diplomatic language that they think seven times before they participate in such provocations.
  22. xcvxc73
    xcvxc73 31 October 2013 15: 22
    -2
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  23. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 31 October 2013 15: 27
    +2
    Obviously, the the cold war (albeit in stealth) between NATO and Russia continues. This is evidenced by the hysteria of Europe during the Russian-Belarusian exercises, the patrolling by NATO aircraft of the airspace of the Baltic states, etc. There is no question of any trust. All exercise scenarios are based on the assumption that the most likely adversary to NATO is Russia. When planning military exercises, the Russian military proceeds from the fact that NATO is the first enemy of Russia. It is so obvious that it does not require evidence.
  24. 222222
    222222 31 October 2013 15: 28
    0
    Starting this year, NATO is introducing a new perspective exercise scenario system - SKOLKAN .. and mustache of passion
    Overview SKOLKAN –– Russia is a non-player
    • No change to NATO nations
    • fictitious states needed
    - Friendly
    - failing
    - Neutral
    - Belligerent / Opponent
    • Sophisticated adversaries to play
    - Missile Defense
    - Cyber ​​Defense
    - EW
    • Offshore adversary ....
  25. Luga
    Luga 31 October 2013 15: 37
    +1
    NATO exercises - any - are essentially anti-Russian, regardless of the scenario, composition and number of participants, as well as the venue.
    I would now invite the Finns and Swedes to participate in joint exercises with us. The scenario is a reflection of a pirate attack on a peaceful ship in the Baltic Sea, the destruction of pirate bases on the shores of the Gulf of Riga and the Moonsund archipelago.
  26. Cherdak
    Cherdak 31 October 2013 16: 37
    +1
    In response, the Finns were offended and issued a Christmas souvenir for NATO. Just for information: Joulupukki is a Christmas grandfather who gives presents to children for Christmas. Joulupukki literally translated from Finnish also means "Christmas goat"
    1. jumpmaster
      jumpmaster 1 November 2013 00: 14
      0
      For information, Joulupukki is a Christmas goat, not a grandfather! Well, what to take from them, if they called their grandfather like that ....
  27. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 31 October 2013 16: 37
    0
    Some kind of stupid conditions for the exercises: a likely adversary of NATO is able to simultaneously capture Finov and the Swedes and Poland with the Baltic states and in a week already attack Germany and Norway, and then the paddling pools. So they should not work out the interaction of troops, but the evacuation plan laughing But we don’t need their land blue and for nothing.
  28. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 31 October 2013 16: 39
    +1
    The enemy does not sleep, we also do not sleep. On the Novosibirsk Islands, the military presence was restored. So that no one generalizes man.
  29. Savva30
    Savva30 31 October 2013 18: 33
    0
    There are two unofficial interpretations of the scenario for the teachings of Steadfast Jazz. First: NATO is working out a situation in which Russia attacks or prepares an attack on two militarily neutral countries: Finland and Sweden
    why do we attack these countries, homosexuality and tolerance will do their job faster than us ...
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 31 October 2013 20: 15
      0
      I agree, thanks to these things, the West is aging and decrepit. The demographics of Western countries are deteriorating towards an increasingly aging population, so in the future, NATO will have to protect the world of pensioners and the elderly. The main thing is that Russia in every possible way stimulate and develop its demography and increase the birth rate not at the expense of migrants, but at the expense of its people. Then any war is not terrible for us, the victory will be ours, especially if we add to this the protection of our culture, history and national traditions.
  30. Stinger
    Stinger 31 October 2013 20: 05
    0
    No need to mock partners about geography. Shura Balaganov also believed that waves of the Atlantic Ocean were breaking on the banks of Zhmerenka. Just a script of the exercises was written by them, a NATO, effective manager.
  31. ZU-23
    ZU-23 31 October 2013 20: 18
    +1
    But who needs this NATO office in general except the Americans and the Anglo-Americans, and we do not need the rest of the European sophisticated collective farms, definitely. What kind of mouse doctrine is this, 20 NATO countries out of 6 thousand people, we have a couple of brigades already 6 thousand))). And the Baltic states need to be so frightened by our teachings that they would be afraid to breathe towards Russia and put other idiots in the course laughing
  32. poquello
    poquello 31 October 2013 20: 38
    +1
    Like the Fuhrer’s troops from the North Pole got out and attacked.
  33. egsp
    egsp 31 October 2013 22: 16
    0
    so I would give them ..
  34. darksidewarrior
    darksidewarrior 1 November 2013 07: 13
    0
    Well, yes and only