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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 30 October 2013

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On the eve of the signing of the association with the European Union, the Ukrainian authorities are carrying out a harsh political sweep of the south-east of the country, by whose votes this power was elected. The point is that there is not a single person left in the ruling party and faction capable of catching Yanukovych’s team of betrayal.

Igor Markov: “Absolutely the whole faction of the“ Party of Regions ”in the parliament rests solely on fear. Exclusively on fear. Some, like me, are afraid of being deprived of their mandate, someone is being bullied about being deprived of business.”

Igor Markov, a deputy from Odessa, remained in this fraction alone. To date, the ruling party, which has betrayed its voters, has not fulfilled any of its election promises, the main of which was the closest rapprochement with Russia, has finished self-cleaning its ranks.

On September 12, the Supreme Administrative Court of Ukraine, a year after the elections, to which no complaints were made then, deprived Igor Markov, a majority shareholder from Odessa, a member of the ruling faction of the Party of Regions, a deputy mandate. According to the lawsuit filed by the opposition member about alleged electoral fraud, ballot papers were seized, and their results were rigged, on the basis of which the elections were considered fraudulent. On Friday, Markov was arrested in Odessa already in the case of five years ago, when there was a skirmish between the activists of the Rodina party headed by Markov and the Banderovites who organized the Nazi picket in Odessa. An attempt to disperse the police and special forces Berkut Markov's supporters ended with the storming of the Odessa police department.

It seems that the actions of Yanukovych to clean up the pro-Russian glade gave an unexpected result. Donetsk guys, as it is typical of them, overdid it and "caught the bear." The release of Markov was demanded by the Russian State Duma, which has a moral right to do so, since Markov is being targeted precisely for the pro-Russian position. Even Tymoshenko from her torture chamber stated that a new young, charismatic leader of pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine was born in the south-east of Ukraine. And that this is the beginning of the end of Yanukovych.

From the film "Taras Bulba": "Well, what, son? Helped you your father? I gave birth to you, I will kill you."
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 31 October 2013 10: 07
    16
    Chronicles of the Urkain Urkagonat
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 October 2013 10: 10
      12
      Quote: leon-iv
      Even Tymoshenko from her dungeon said that a new young, charismatic leader was born in southeastern Ukraine


      Julia will come out and Yanek will sit down.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 31 October 2013 10: 13
        10
        Quote: Vadivak
        Julia will come out and Yanek will sit down.


        So what? Change Pokemon in power guard The awl for soap will change.
        1. Canep
          Canep 31 October 2013 10: 21
          12
          For good, both of them need to be closed, and not in Kharkov, but in Magadan.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 31 October 2013 10: 25
            +3
            Quote: Canep
            For good, both of them need to be closed, and not in Kharkov, but in Magadan.


            Meaning? If you close it, then in the execution cellar and then until they catch enough of their thieves' assistants and their loyal nukers who help them in matters of lawlessness.
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 31 October 2013 10: 27
          15
          That in the Russian Federation, that in Ukraine (and in other post-Soviet countries) an open swindler came to power (except that Belarus still holds on). Observing their activities to satisfy their needs causes disgust. And until the smarter peoples of our countries sweep this crook out of key positions, there is no need to wait for improvement.
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          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 31 October 2013 15: 09
            +1
            Quote: S_mirnov
            overt swindler came to power

            But it has not left since 1917.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            (unless Belarus is still holding on)

            There is an enterprise in the Leningrad Region whose owners from Belarus almost escaped with all the scrub (equipment, specialists). Therefore, there is no need to deal with the dad.
            Around crooks.
            Tymoshenko from her cell declared that in the south-east of Ukraine was born new young, charismatic leader of pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine. The Party of Regions faction in parliament is solely based on fear.
            Well, I didn’t expect such a balance from Lionchik.
            How long has Odessa-mom become southeast ???
            The circus show continues!
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 31 October 2013 20: 43
              +1
              Quote: Papakiko
              Quote: S_mirnov
              overt swindler came to power

              But it has not left since 1917.

              I fundamentally disagree. The denigration of the great Soviet past was imposed on our society by the CIA, all sorts of freaks like Solzhenitsin, Suvorv-Rezun, Gorbi, Novodvorskaya, etc. The goal is obvious. In contrast, the era of tsarism was idealized (gentlemen officers, Kolchak, Velvet men like Mikhalkov and priests with a cross on their belly (replacing moral values).
              It is a pity that you fell for this bait. No.
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 31 October 2013 11: 22
          +1
          Quote: Hudo
          So what? Change of Pokemon in power of the guard. The awl for soap will change.


          Yes, it will be so. Like a cycle in nature. One goes out the other sits down and vice versa.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 26
            +3
            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: Hudo
            So what? Change of Pokemon in power of the guard. The awl for soap will change.


            Yes, it will be so. Like a cycle in nature. One goes out the other sits down and vice versa.


            ... and the people are silent (c). NO!!! There are no resources to watch these meaningless take-offs and landings, tweaks and jumps. It will be better if sit mustache(c).
          2. dropout
            dropout 31 October 2013 13: 58
            +3
            Quote: Vadivak
            . Like a cycle in nature. One goes out the other sits down and vice versa.


            Cycle of shit in power.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 31 October 2013 10: 19
        +1
        No, she’ll come out, lay the wine, but two meters deep. And she’ll not stole in the last suit
      3. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 31 October 2013 11: 01
        +1
        Julia will come out and Yanek will sit down.

        If he lies down correctly, he won’t sit down.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 06
          +2
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          Julia will come out and Yanek will sit down.

          If he lies down correctly, he won’t sit down.


          Correct is how? As Yanukevich do not go under the geyropu, it will be like in a gangbang - they cram at most do not indulge.
    2. kris
      kris 31 October 2013 11: 11
      -7
      And the miracle ANALYTIC Misha does not tell the whole truth.
      We have our own "Party of Regions", and its name is "United Russia" or simply one.
      also chosen as a result of "correct" counting, not voting.
    3. Polovec
      Polovec 31 October 2013 13: 01
      +2
      They put the bandos on the throne and waited. that he will turn out to be a high moral angel of heaven?
    4. 3.7.964
      3.7.964 31 October 2013 14: 32
      -1
      Quote: leon-iv
      Chronicles of the Urkain Urkagonat

      good
    5. Cristall
      Cristall 1 November 2013 00: 13
      -2
      don't call us that.
  2. sergey261180
    sergey261180 31 October 2013 10: 12
    +4
    To date, the ruling party, which has betrayed its voters, has not fulfilled any of its election promises, the main of which was the closest rapprochement with Russia, has finished self-cleaning of its ranks.
    And did you expect something else from the Urkagan shobla?
    1. Akim
      Akim 1 November 2013 10: 48
      -1
      Quote: sergey261180
      And did you expect something else from the Urkagan shobla?

      And you, as the author of the article, read the election program of Yanukovych and PR?
  3. svp67
    svp67 31 October 2013 10: 17
    16
    here he is, the hero of the article is Igor Markov, a deputy from Odessa. I wish he could prove by his deeds that we are fraternal peoples ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 10: 38
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: svp67
      here he is, the hero of the article - Igor Markov

      And he is in the comments of the video. And believe me, they don’t lie, not even everyone said it.
      1. shark
        shark 31 October 2013 11: 11
        14
        Inter journalists probably learned to interrupt interviews at uncomfortable moments from their striped owners))))) Well then they wouldn’t have called for an interview. They would have found a safe and politically correct scum like the son of Khodor. Here they would have asked her. to play. Yes not finished. Weak
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 11: 17
          -3
          Quote: shark
          Inter journalists probably learned to interrupt in uncomfortable moments of the interview from their striped owners))))

          Everyone knows perfectly well what about the hat And they talk about it openly. He just walked away. We at least talk about it from the central channels, and yours on the underground "Rain".
          1. Xroft
            Xroft 31 October 2013 11: 40
            13
            Akim your political preferences are clear to us on past topics .... better such a person than Yanukovych and his gang. Ukraine has no chance to survive without Russia, it will be devoured and forced to make collars paying multibillion loans.
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 October 2013 11: 48
              -7
              Quote: Xroft
              better such a man than Yanukovych and his gang. Ukraine has no chance to survive without Russia,

              Mistake I am for equal partnership.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 11: 58
                +7
                Quote: Akim
                Mistake I am for equal partnership.

                It was so within the framework of the Union.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 31 October 2013 12: 06
                  -5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  It was so within the framework of the Union.

                  Which one? USSR - yes TS - no.
                  1. Xroft
                    Xroft 31 October 2013 12: 21
                    +8
                    Compare the vehicle and what will happen to the EU wink this is obvious to all (well, even pro-Western experts) the end of any independence of Ukraine as a state-va.
                    And Belarusians do not complain with Kazakhs, I regularly see Belarusian milk in stores, we work with them under technical contracts, etc.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 31 October 2013 12: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: Xroft
                      And Belarusians do not complain with Kazakhs, I regularly see Belarusian milk in stores, we work with them under technical contracts, etc.

                      So you see Ukrainian cheeses. Now our countries are driving the business. But he will not do it at a loss for himself.
                      1. Xroft
                        Xroft 31 October 2013 13: 09
                        +6
                        So after association with the EU no one will see them (Ukrainian cheeses and much more) ... because the production will not fit the regulations and standards of the Euro zone, and you will not sell them in the Russian Federation. Do not even sell in Ukraine recourse But the factories don’t have money to remake all the equipment, the conclusion is either to close or take a loan and plow to Europe (what happened to Greece?) And even after taking a loan it’s not a fact that they will let us enter the market, there are reasons and when on the shelf will there be Dutch cheese at a lower price? to whom Ukrainian surrendered .... (you need to pay back the loan, prices will rise). This is primitive and obvious.
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 31 October 2013 13: 17
                        -8
                        Quote: Xroft
                        It will not fit the regulations and standards of the Eurozone, and in the Russian Federation you will not sell them. Do not even sell in Ukraine

                        So you work in the expert commission? Well, how do you know? I’m saying that business will not do anything worse for itself. Ordinary people are secondary. Once agreed, then they know the conditions. Do not broadcast your television. We are watching it anyway.
                      3. Xroft
                        Xroft 31 October 2013 15: 12
                        +6
                        Who is asking business? Do you really think that Yanik and the guys consulted with someone? Europe needs a market for its products (in Europe itself they don’t take it for an oversupply) Ukraine will become it, due to the loss of its production and will sit on a credit needle (for which the Yanukovych team will get money and the opportunity to live in Europe openly with money laundered through the sale bins of the homeland) But Ukraine will lose its only market in the form of Russia, well, who needs Ukrainian products at the European price in the European market, where the French / German can not be sold?
                        Ps Do you really believe that Western partners will come and sow good? Well, just like in the Yugoslav version laughing Time will show and unfortunately nothing good for Ukraine.
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 31 October 2013 15: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Xroft
                        Ps Do you really believe that Western partners will come and sow good?

                        I do not believe neither the West, nor Russia, nor ours. But I understand that the Yanukovych’s team doesn’t want to become a corpse. They are cutting more from Ukraine’s business than from a one-time handout from the Kremlin or Brussels,
                      5. Xroft
                        Xroft 31 October 2013 15: 49
                        +4
                        The question is how to legalize what was * cut * for years? Brussels offered the option of dumping it into Europe and getting lava for it, Yanukovych is already a political * corpse * (judging by the Ukrainian economy, which is actually bankrupt), this is an excellent option for him, as well as for the entire pro-Western rifle that has been sitting there since Yushchenko.
                        Moscow is guilty of letting things go on their own (as usual) and frantically trying to find a return option.
                        And as usually suffer the nations that should be together.
                        Here only elites decide and put them on business / production / opinions.
                        Ps Absolutely identical thinking of Ukrainian Westerners and Russian liberals / Westerners to steal what can and bring down to Europe, selling everything that is possible (political positions, technologies, etc.) and spoil the country. What kind of business / production? who needs it? when there is enough money for GENERATIONS (although they don’t even think about it, it doesn’t look forward to just saturate its ego) of a comfortable life somewhere in London.
              2. T-130
                T-130 31 October 2013 15: 41
                +1
                We are still seeing it, but with the accession to the EU we may not see it anymore! Of course, business drives, but politics plays an important role!
              3. Akim
                Akim 31 October 2013 15: 49
                -2
                Quote: T-130
                We are still seeing it, but with the accession to the EU we may not see it anymore!

                Yes, you are there in Rossi and you know everything. We in Ukraine do not know who belongs to, but you all know the type. The Illichivsk port, for example, brings good income. And he is under the family of Yanyka. Or say for the sake of ephemeral political dividends it will be eliminated?
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 13: 40
          +4
          Quote: Akim
          Which one? USSR - yes TS - no.

          Then let's integrate to the full, as in the USSR. The bulk of our peoples will be only FOR. Well, except for Kars, of course. lol
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 October 2013 13: 50
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Then let's integrate to the full, as in the USSR. The bulk of our peoples will be only FOR. Well, except for Kars, of course

            And I am against. You have the same bourgeois power.
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 31 October 2013 14: 46
              -2
              And I am against. And not only bourgeois, but also kleptocratic. Here it is necessary to plant your bandits, and yours will also start to go watch what you can drag away here.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 15: 44
              +2
              Quote: Walker1975
              Here it is necessary to plant your bandits, and yours will also start to go watch what you can drag away here.

              Will yours remain in Ukraine? The stick is about two ends, do not forget.
            3. Walker1975
              Walker1975 31 October 2013 16: 28
              0
              Of course they will. Our weaker and poorer - yours will eat them if they climb into Russia.
            4. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 17: 55
              +1
              Quote: Walker1975
              Of course they will. Our weaker and poorer - yours will eat them if they climb into Russia.

              Watch less horror movies for the night.
            5. Kars
              Kars 31 October 2013 18: 07
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Watch less horror movies for the night.

              but why is it going to be something like this.
      2. T-130
        T-130 31 October 2013 15: 47
        +2
        And yours haven’t pulled everything yet? But in principle, for example, it seems to me that unification in the CU would be beneficial to economies, our industry is at the same level, although time will tell who is right!
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 15: 53
      0
      Quote: Akim
      And I am against. You have the same bourgeois power.

      Well, you also do not have socialism. Looking for cons from each other, one cannot reach consensus.
    3. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 15: 58
      -3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Well, you also do not have socialism

      That's it. Change the flea. So it’s not worth talking about complete unification.
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      . Change awl for soap

      Why suddenly change? You can leave both of them. And use it in turn.
    5. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 16: 10
      -1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      . And use it in turn.

      Most likely they will use us in turn.
    6. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 16: 14
      0
      Quote: Akim
      Most likely they will use us in turn.

      Perhaps, but not a fact. But together it’s easier to fight off both external and internal enemies.
    7. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 16: 18
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      . But together it’s easier to fight back, both from external and internal enemies

      It is a fact. Only in the CIS does it not work.
  • Kars
    Kars 31 October 2013 15: 43
    +7
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    only for. Well, except for Kars, of course.

    I see inflicted indelible damage on your ambition and conceit, since you remember me in suE)))

    and of course you, as usual, were wrong.

    I, in principle, do not mind. If at the same time nationalization of banks, means of production, excessive material values ​​are made. Lustration of ALL politicians of the last 20 years - including Putin, Medvedev, Yanukovych and so on.
    And of course, the path to building socialism.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 15: 50
      -1
      Quote: Kars
      .If this will result in the nationalization of banks, means of production, excessive material values. Lustration of ALL politicians of the last 20 years - including Putin, Medvedev, Yanukovych and so on.

      Yes, you’re an idealist, my friend. Surprised. I agree with almost everything. First of all, it is necessary to nationalize resources and large enterprises of strategic importance. Just how do you imagine the nationalization of superfluous, as you put it values?
      PS Plus to you, today not a single grammatical error. good Truly, sleep enlightens before dinner. laughing
    2. Kars
      Kars 31 October 2013 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Yes, you’re an idealist, my friend. Surprised.

      Strange.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      . Just how do you imagine the nationalization of superfluous, as you put it values?

      If the goal is set, then everything can be done.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      today not a single grammatical error.

      Teacher of Russian language?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Kars
      If the goal is set, then everything can be done.

      As for the grammar, I see you jinxed. laughingAnd if on the topic, then without mass executions in this case can not do. But alas, neither you nor We have any applicants for the role of Pinochet.
      Quote: Kars
      Teacher of Russian language?

      No, I just don’t like it when the great and the powerful are distorted.
      Try and you will succeed.
      "Our beautiful language, under the pen of uneducated and inexperienced writers, quickly tends to fall. Words are distorted. Grammar fluctuates. Spelling, this heraldry of language, changes at the will of each and every one."
      Pushkin
    4. Kars
      Kars 31 October 2013 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      About the grammar I see you jinxed

      You have too much opinion of yourself.


      Quote: Ingvar 72
      then without mass executions in this case can not do.

      you bend it. there is always a way out - you just have to look for it.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      But alas, neither you nor We have any applicants for the role of Pinochet.

      and I'm glad about that.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Try and you will succeed.

      And what will it give me?
    5. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 31 October 2013 18: 26
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      You have too much opinion of yourself.

      We have already discussed this with you. In the clouds I have no habit of flying.
      Quote: Kars
      you bend it. there is always a way out - you just have to look for it

      Suggest options, cough up.
      Quote: Kars
      and I'm glad about that.
      And I'm disappointed. The lack of a person who is capable of strong deeds cannot please me.
      Quote: Kars
      And what will it give me?

      You ask rhetorical questions again. You do not understand what knowledge of the Russian language can give you?
    6. Kars
      Kars 31 October 2013 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      We have already discussed this with you

      When is that?
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      . In the clouds I have no habit of flying.

      It may not fly, but self-conceit.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Suggest options, cough up.

      meaning?
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The lack of a person who is capable of strong deeds cannot please me.

      Is there a little blood?
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      You ask rhetorical questions again.

      Why rhetorical?
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      You do not understand what knowledge of the Russian language can give you?

      I know him enough.
    7. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 1 November 2013 00: 12
      0
      Quote: Kars
      When is that?

      When exclusivity was spoken about on another branch. Or are you in public because She is not in the subject, ask a question?
      Quote: Kars
      It may not fly, but self-conceit.

      I repeat once again, I have no problems with conceit, unlike you, I know exactly who I am and what I want in this life too.
      Quote: Kars
      meaning?

      Yeah, in the morning you were more adequate. And what is the meaning of any dialogue? Hint is a search for truth.
      Quote: Kars
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The lack of a person who is capable of strong deeds cannot please me.

      Is there a little blood?

      Do you want to eat an omelet without breaking eggs? Will the shell cross the throat? Enemy blood is not a pity.
      Quote: Kars
      Why rhetorical?

      Blah blah blah..
      Quote: Kars
      I know him enough.

      Sufficient for which class level?
    8. Kars
      Kars 1 November 2013 00: 19
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      When exclusivity was spoken on another branch

      I do not remember.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Or are you in public

      it is always.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      b, I have no self-conceit problems, unlike you, I know exactly who I am and what I want in this life too.
      more visible from the side.

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Yeah, in the morning you were more adequate. And what is the meaning of any dialogue? Hint is a search for truth.

      Why should I look for the truth with you on this abstract issue? You can take my word for it that there are 200 legitimate ways to take away mat values ​​without violence and shooting. And you can’t believe it.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Do you want to eat an omelet without breaking eggs? Will the shell cross the throat? Enemy blood is not a pity.

      what a bloodthirsty. Direct expensive in the Cheka. to the wall counter set.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Blah blah blah..

      So you can not answer
      Quote: Kars
      And what will it give me?

      I’ll write it down.

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Sufficient for which class level?

      I don’t measure classes. Do you understand me? Are you trying to answer? So as we see enough. It will make sense to follow the spelling.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 31 October 2013 20: 04
    +2
    Akim
    Which one? USSR - yes TS - no.


    What was the partnership in the USSR? was actually a single country controlled from a single center of Moscow, where does the partnership just do it?

    Akim
    TS - no.

    Mistake I am for equal partnership.


    Yeah, and in Brussels Germany and England, they all sleep straight and see how Ukraine would be made equal to itself)))
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 20: 17
      -1
      Quote: regressSSSR
      yeah, and in Brussels, Germany and England, they all sleep straight and see how Ukraine can be made equal to itself

      And who told you that I personally aspire to Europe?
      1. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 31 October 2013 21: 20
        +1
        akim
        And who told you that I personally aspire to Europe?


        no, I always wanted to say that an equal partnership is unlikely to offer you either Brussels or Moscow! mutually beneficial partnerships are possible (in the TC, just about the EU, even I’m not sure about that) - they are unlikely to be equal in rights either here or there! so this is a choice between the hardware and the ec rather historical and geo-political because the trade union is also a territorial weapon sometimes worse than a firearm)) so where you turn it will be so!

        ps by the way about Belarus, especially partner inequality, I personally, as an ordinary citizen, do not observe how the old rules and rules can at the level of the allegarchy and yes! but I don’t care about it personally, it doesn’t reflect on me personally)) not in monetary and some other equivalent smile but they opened the borders completely (they just don’t exist when nobody crosses the car) beauty is just like in the good old days it would be with Ukraine as well) but it just gets worse and worse ((but the main thing is that we are all they disagree together ?? this is what the Old Man understands, and history itself will make its own corrections in the future. Government then it will not last forever and how else can Lukashenko be the president of the common Union wink
    2. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 31 October 2013 21: 30
      0
      mutually beneficial partnership in the USSR!
      I don’t even know the word in the USSR)))
      it appeared in the early nineties from the lips of Leni Golubky, a great investor in the assets of MMM! laughing
  • T-130
    T-130 31 October 2013 15: 37
    +3
    Alas, not quite like that! For some reason, the budget was first distributed to the republics as needed, and then how much remains for Russia!
  • shark
    shark 31 October 2013 12: 19
    +4
    Well, who is against. I urge you to give examples of the unequal (humiliated) state of Ukraine as part of the USSR? It will be very interesting for me to fill in the gaps in education.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 12: 23
      +3
      Quote: shark
      I ask you to give examples of the unequal (humiliated) state of Ukraine as part of the USSR? M

      I said that in the USSR there was equality and even someone (the Baltic states, Georgians) was given more. There is no such thing in the vehicle.
      1. T-130
        T-130 31 October 2013 15: 50
        +1
        And what is not equal in the TS?
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 16: 00
          0
          Quote: T-130
          what is not equal in the vehicle?

          Ask Nazarbayev with Lukashenko. Especially for customs duties. Although your TV channels do not show this
  • T-130
    T-130 31 October 2013 15: 38
    +2
    I agree, but the partnership really should be equal, without any begging for money!
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 15: 51
      -2
      Quote: T-130
      without asking for money!

      And giving loans to buy your own goods.
      1. Xroft
        Xroft 31 October 2013 16: 13
        +1
        figures in the studio (c) the number of loans that were issued for the purchase of our own goods? (What do you mean by these goods in general? Russian vodka and a loan for it? laughing food / clothing we have at the same level among the countries participating in the CU fair competition between businessmen, and not a pug on an elephant like in Europe with their giants / concerns / corporations, you don’t even need to compare here)
        Or are you talking about weapons? without which countries simply cannot exist, for good western friends will come and make democracy for all.
        ps and compare our lending conditions, and European. We give tanks and planes to Central Asia and write them off as a political * friendship *, although we must fight according to the laws of * business * as you want.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 16: 22
          -2
          Quote: Xroft
          figures in the studio (s) the number of loans that were issued to buy our own goods?

          Is it normal, but gas is not a commodity? They gave a loan of 700 million bucks over the lord’s shoulder, and Ukraine pays more than 800 million for it in just one month. And about the honesty of competition in the CU, our Kazakh friends will catch up on the forum and ask them. To not from a third party.
          1. Xroft
            Xroft 31 October 2013 16: 28
            +2
            And what do you call honest relationships? we are free gas and you type are friends with us? lol what kind of childish naivety? wink Given that Ukraine supplied gas at discounts for a very long time, and Ukraine had the audacity not to pay (friends don’t do that) Yes, I regularly communicate with Kazakhs at work, no problems with fair competition, I don’t have to wish for reality.
            Ps You didn’t answer the question, the numbers didn’t show ..... the specifics rather than empty talk in style are better for us in Europe than with Russia. Just one example? come on....
          2. Akim
            Akim 31 October 2013 16: 40
            -1
            Quote: Xroft
            Ps You did not answer the question, the numbers did not show ...

            I have already given them. What other numbers do you need. They gave Ukraine a loan of 700 lemons, and the other day Miller said that Ukraine owes 882 miles.
            Tale about the previously free gas thrown. Such a stereotype has already developed in your country and I will not fight windmills.

            And do not make an argument an alternative to the topic: Evgeny Pozhidaev: Maneuvers Minsk-Moscow-Kiev: what is the Customs Union without Ukraine?. It was here about Markov and his hypocrisy.
  • shark
    shark 31 October 2013 12: 15
    +5
    The rain is not underground, but rather ordinary about a liberal little canal. Absolutely not a professional channel, despite the many stars that escaped from the central channels. Moreover, oddly enough, the lion's part of the journalists are pronounced and very terry. Seeing this, it becomes very clear about sources of liberalism in Russia. In general, an audience like ours, your Schuster and Kiselyov
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 31 October 2013 11: 37
    +7
    I looked. Indeed, this is not a lie. This is, sorry, G.O.V.N.O! From the beginning to the end. There is clearly a hidden direction for the media to lower Markov in the eyes of the public below the plinth, which they are doing. As well as the power itself. And, as always, stupid and mediocre. Found something to show ... TV channel "Inter" - Ukrainian TV channel (noteworthy). The same "truthful", like all other Ukrainian TV channels, which, without exception, are disgusting to watch! Their claims to objectivity have long been satisfied only by the last dullards. And even in this program, as well as in the legislative pressure of Markov, sheer rigging is obvious.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 11: 42
      0
      Quote: Jogan-64
      The hidden installation for the media is clearly visible to lower Markov in the eyes of the public below the baseboard, which they do

      They told what Odessa residents know, but Ukraine did not know. Do you need it?
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 31 October 2013 12: 09
        +1
        Do you need it?

        Why do you need it then? Or I do not live where you and me should not be worried about this "redhead"?
        Actually, I didn’t speak about Markov either. Exclusively about our media and about the fraudulent ways of "shaping" public opinion by them. That is very clearly seen from the video you posted.
        There, unlike me, even someone poked minuses. request
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 12: 20
          +2
          Quote: Jogan-64
          Actually, I didn’t speak about Markov either. Exclusively about our media and about the fraudulent ways of "shaping" public opinion by them. That is very clearly seen from the video you posted.

          And I gave you a plot not about abstract Pete Sidorkin from the village of Verkhny Dyshlo, but about Bandyugan Markov. It is natural to constantly disagree to think that everything is bribed, then you can not believe the reflection in the mirror. But the conclusions on this person and I and Captain Vrungel (later to join Crystal) are not refuted. Moreover, we stand on different political positions.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 31 October 2013 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            But the conclusions on this person and I and Captain Vrungel (later to join Crystal) are not refuted.

            So you are a whole "gang"!?! laughing
            And I naively thought, "it seems" that individual comments are taken into "circulation collectively" fellow

            For yourself, you need to take this "fact" into account ... what
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 October 2013 13: 24
              -1
              Quote: Corsair
              So you are a whole "gang"!?!

              We are just local.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 31 October 2013 13: 29
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                We are just local.


                It is you "THERE are local" and on VO we are ALL GUESTS (visitors) ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 31 October 2013 13: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  It is you "THERE local"

                  We are local on this topic. You heh ..nyu as usual the media are presented. Moreover, it is so impressive that even eastern Ukraine believes in Markov's "holiness".
                  Dad even called me and asked me, after the news from RTR.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 31 October 2013 13: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    You heh..nyu as usual presented with the media.

                    Even if Markov, annoying (thanks to your constant reminders of him), used the screen of "reunification of peoples" in order to escape from Ukrainian "justice", then we do not care about THIS IN ANY WAY. Bring the discussion of the topic to Ukrainian resources ...
                    Stop procrastinating on the history of your local "prince"!
                  2. Akim
                    Akim 31 October 2013 13: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Markov, and used the screen of "reunification of peoples" in order to escape from Ukrainian "justice", then we do not care about IT IN ANY way

                    The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 30 October 2013
                    Did I introduce this topic here? For me, there would be less politics on HE - it would be better. I didn’t fit into them before, but I’m tired of being poured with mud
                  3. Corsair
                    Corsair 31 October 2013 14: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    Did I introduce this topic here?

                    So let Her further replicate! ... Help you? wink
                  4. Akim
                    Akim 31 October 2013 14: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Corsair
                    So let Her further replicate !.

                    I said. I'm tired of pouring mud on Ukraine. Sometimes, despite the minuses, you need to make another point of rhenium.
                  5. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 31 October 2013 14: 49
                    -2
                    Plus to you! There are a lot of one-sided and distorting articles, both yesterday's "A few facts for Yanukovych" and comments.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 31 October 2013 13: 31
    +2
    It is natural to constantly disagree to think that everything is bribed, then you can not believe the reflection in the mirror.

    Yes, everything is not bribed, as you say! Everything is paid simply. Do you think that something can be trusted?
    I won't argue about Markov himself. I don't know anything about him. But I know very well some other regionals (no worse than you are Markov), who will give Markov a hundred handicap points in what “Inter” showed. I am sure of one thing - if Markov hobnobbed with a gang of regionals, this is typical. The same as the rest of the gang.
    But, compare this story on TV (delve into the memory) with the persecution of the oranges of Kolesnikov, Kushnaryov, for example. And as they say, find 10 differences.
    Further, why was Markov deprived of his mandate through the court, only now "finding" some kind of falsification? There is a procedure for revoking the mandate by voting in the Verkhovna Rada. Were you afraid they would not get 226 votes? It is very likely because hand washes his hand, but with the mandate of Markov not to attract for the antediluvian "hooligan" and not "throw out" from BP as unwanted (it does not matter what was not shared in this case). "Fas" the court, as usual, to play back. Why didn’t they arrange such “zealous showdowns” on falsifications before, eh?
    Further, no one, including the media, touches his "business". So, the slegonets were illuminated - where the "legs grow" and that's it. Why? Yes, because Markov and his "business" are "tied" to everyone else. And maybe, from the same Markov, a lot of things, very unpleasant ones, will "emerge". Do you need it?
    There are still a lot of absurdities in these showdowns, but, I repeat, I am not talking about Markov, but exclusively deceit, arrogance and venality of our ruling "elite" and the media. Or do you think this is not visible from the video? Here is your "Petya Dyshlyansky" for you ... It is only on the surface. Like a piece of an iceberg ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 13: 48
      0
      Quote: Jogan-64
      But I know very well some other regionals (no worse than you are Markov), who will give Markov a hundred handicap points in what Inter showed.

      There will be a plot and discussion about them, then tell the TRUTH or not. In the meantime, Leontiev is trying to whiten Markov, and Inter presents the truth, which was hidden for the time being from the public. As for the trial, well, they have such a little maneuver now. They let the ex-deputy Karmazin down, and he is glad. Markov is not the first. Well, the fact that brazenly crossed the road steeper is known. They didn’t kill him, probably only because they did not want to make him a new Lenin. Although in a pre-trial detention center everything can be.
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 31 October 2013 15: 07
        +1
        ... Inter presents the truth, which was hidden for the time being from the public.

        I tell you "about Thomas" - you tell me "about Erema" ...
        What is the truth? Where?? The media ??? You yourself say that Leontyev is "trying to whiten" Markov. Therefore, he is not telling the truth. Then, logically, Inter is trying to denigrate the same Markov? Where is the truth here? This is, if you argue the way you are in this case.
        In fact, both sources present everything that happened to Markov the way they were ordered. Or they said how. It will be necessary for the puppeteers on the contrary - it will be so. Leontiev Markova mixes with crap, and Inter licks the same Markov ass.
        All that glitters is not gold. Therefore, you should not blindly believe the media. Although, Leontyev still voiced the main thing - Markov's words about the EU and the CU, which are not indifferent to both many Russians and us, and that the "truthful" Inter is either just keeping silent or trying to somehow neutralize.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 15: 14
          -1
          Quote: Jogan-64
          and Inter will also lick Markov’s ass.

          That will lick him and showered with gold, I will say this is not true. I’m talking about a specific case and do not draw conclusions on it about Inter's unmatchedness. Material - customized. But it just so coincided that the ordering and the truth in this case are identical.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 31 October 2013 17: 08
            0
            ... I do not draw conclusions on him about the intransigence of Inter.

            Or maybe you should draw such conclusions? Especially as you say that
            Material - customized.

            Or ordered only from Leontyev, and Inter - a saint? They talked about which Markov is a scoundrel-fighter and did not bring any of his interviews with his opinion. They showed an excerpt of the court session and - no details. They showed a bunch of people and police allegedly during the detention and did not give any of the grounds and motives for the detention. This is so, just offhand.
            But it just so coincided that the ordering and the truth in this case are identical.

            They are identical only with what they wanted to show. What didn't you want? Even in court, the defendant has the right to speak, but here? Or a silent show of Markov or with the "necessary" comments of the announcer. Let Markov be a villain three times, but is this the whole truth? Very doubtful ...
            I'm talking about a specific case

            And you do not identify other specific cases with this particular case. Although the above analogies are almost identical, a general picture of the lawlessness of power emerges from each specific case.
            Or do you want to see only the situation around Markov and himself? Somehow such a conclusion from our polemics involuntarily suggests itself. Then say so. I already wrote to you that I am not arguing with you about Markov's personality and his "exploits" I do not know either him or the situation from the inside. As for the rest, I think you don't want to see for some reason what you don't want ...
          2. Akim
            Akim 31 October 2013 17: 18
            -1
            Quote: Jogan-64
            Or do you want to see only the situation around Markov and himself? Somehow such a conclusion from our polemics involuntarily suggests itself. Then say so. I already wrote to you that I am not arguing with you about Markov's personality and his "exploits" I do not know either him or the situation from the inside. As for the rest, I think you don't want to see for some reason what you don't want ...

            Pancake. What do you want to hear. That the government is corrupt and corrupt? Yes it is. What is Shuster Pribluda Bankova? That Lyashko makes fun of warming up? Yes, all this is true. Only to the "honesty" of Markov it has no direct relation. Don't put one person on a witch hunt.
          3. alone
            alone 31 October 2013 22: 27
            +1
            )) again arranged a daisy TS, EU. Ukraine and Ukrainians, forum users representing Ukraine !! I wish you happiness and prosperity in your personal life, as well as the prosperity of your state.
            but I don’t say anything about where to keep your path. You decide and you know better where it will be better for you.

            P.S. about Markov. An honest person will never engage in politics.
            politics and honor - things are incompatible. proven over the centuries
          4. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 1 November 2013 13: 05
            0
            Pancake. What do you want to hear.

            I don’t want to hear anything from you! request Your opinion is your problem. I just wanted to tell you that Inter's video is as deceitful as our government, regardless of what Markov really is. There would be no such lies and venality, and there would be no mark - "witches" in your opinion.
            This is one person in conjunction with the "witch hunt", as you said. Such markovs, inters and power are the system. A deceitful system. And nothing will change from "snapping" one person out of the system. However, let's leave that. hi
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 1 November 2013 11: 02
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    And he is in the comments of the video. And believe me, they don’t lie, not even everyone said it.

    But ...
    Putting Hodor, Julia and Markov on one board is a good move ...
    Then what does Janek expect from the next president of Ukraine - the Order of the Humpbacked One?
    1. Akim
      Akim 1 November 2013 11: 19
      0
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Putting Hodor, Julia and Markov on one board is a good move ..

      Markov is a political prisoner, a pickpocket caught in a bazaar.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 1 November 2013 11: 24
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Markov is a political prisoner, a pickpocket caught in a bazaar.

        Duc ... Zatulin said the same thing.
        But the Russian media did not advocate for Markov, but against Yanukovych.
        1. Akim
          Akim 1 November 2013 11: 27
          -1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          But the Russian media did not advocate for Markov, but against Yanukovych.

          Well yes. Found the dirtiest excuse.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 31 October 2013 10: 18
    +4
    Still worse than it seemed.
    For the entire ruling party - one person with a conscience and courage.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 10: 39
      -8
      Quote: BigRiver
      For the entire ruling party - one person with a conscience and courage.

      Who, Markov? laughing Do not tell my teeth.
      1. ded_73
        ded_73 31 October 2013 10: 46
        -6
        By God, guys. This is not the type to grieve. The same shifter, like the whole batch of Rygov, which has a pronounced love for Russia. For the money ... You should not even regret it.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 31 October 2013 11: 17
          +1
          "There is one person with a conscience for the entire ruling party." My Turkish slippers were so mixed up that the sole came off. Find out from the residents of Odessa what a bandit, a retailer, a drug dealer and a decent bastard with his gang under the brand name "Rodyna" ("family", in Ukrainian "Rodina") is. They sent him to the parasha not for political views. but for a bandit run over the regional Kivalov. He overestimated his strength in a brazen swoop on a tough bandyukovich and was expelled from the Rada. He lifted his tail (without thinking) against the regionals in an attempt to give a political coloring to his exile, sat on the bunk. Nothing political. Just a gangster showdown and cheap PR Maradona (drove Markov in the criminal environment).
          Association with Ukraine in the EU. Take off your rose-colored glasses. The question will be postponed to 2014. The constant lies of Yanukovych and the imitation of the violent activities of the party in power, are thoroughly fed up with Europe. Pahan thinks only about himself and about global fraud in the 2015 elections, where he hopes to become a dictator forever. No shitty way of moving him from the golden toilet bowl. The mechanism of the dictatorship is working at full capacity. Only the Romanian scenario of "people's ardent love for Ceausescu" can return Urcainu to Ukraine.
          To believe Yanukovych and the regionals is to voluntarily recognize oneself as a "sucker".
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 1 November 2013 00: 33
            -1
            There was no better answer than this one.
      2. Bigriver
        Bigriver 31 October 2013 10: 47
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Who, Markov? laughing Do not tell my teeth.

        Why ... is he a scoundrel too? repeat
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 10: 54
          -1
          Quote: BigRiver
          Why ... is he a scoundrel too?

          To say the least. Radish.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 00
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: BigRiver
            Why ... is he a scoundrel too?

            To say the least. Radish.


            If not among politicians the best of the best(c) then let it be the best of the worst(c).
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 October 2013 11: 07
              -3
              Quote: Hudo
              The best of the best (c), then let the best of the worst

              I always did not understand the cartoon "Dog in Boots". It's more acceptable for me "worst of the best than the best of the worst."
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 15
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                I always did not understand the cartoon "Dog in Boots". For me, it's more acceptable "the worst of the best than the best of the worst."


                Undoubtedly better, but where to get this worst of the best? It turns out as in a saying - for lack of laundresses, the gentleman uses the groom.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 31 October 2013 12: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: Hudo
                  Undoubtedly better, but where to get this worst of the best?

                  If you do not have a Merce, you will sit in Zhigul to get there. Well, if the steering does not work for Merce, no matter how good he is, he is not your crew for this trip.
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 31 October 2013 12: 59
              0
              Quote: Hudo
              If not among politicians. The best of the best (c), then let there be the best of the worst (c).

              Yeah, we already voted for Yanyka ...
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 31 October 2013 11: 18
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            To say the least. Radish.

            Strange, I thought that a scoundrel would not so violently support and storm the police department. I don’t think that for Yanuk people would intercede like that ..
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 October 2013 11: 28
              0
              Quote: DEfindER
              I thought that a villain wouldn’t support so violently and storm the police department

              What kind of people are there? We looked at the top of the iceberg and draw conclusions. I probably knew about thirty people whom Markov fed. And they also brought their people with them.
            2. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 31 October 2013 11: 55
              -2
              Where did you see the "people" storming the ATC. Members of the organized crime group Markov, led by his brother and a handful of grandmothers, torn from the bench at the entrance and suddenly felt their importance. For reference. The leaders of the skirmish at the Internal Affairs Directorate in the far abroad have already fled.
  • Canep
    Canep 31 October 2013 10: 20
    0
    I wonder how this crap ends. After a month of signing, passions are heating up to the limit.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 31 October 2013 10: 23
      +3
      They will sign, otherwise the Washington regional committee will block their accounts. Although Russia also adds fuel to the fire by shaking nenku for all that is possible. At the same time, you don't want to say what you want, "The collective farm is voluntary." And let the Ukrainian, like a walking daughter, run wild. We will take what we need.
      1. Canep
        Canep 31 October 2013 10: 28
        +1
        They will have to let Julia go to Germany. If she leaves, all, goodbye Ukraine, will lie under Europe in the most perverse way of copulation.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 31 October 2013 10: 36
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          If she leaves, all, goodbye Ukraine, will lie under Europe in the most perverse way of copulation.


          Duc, that, already - young lady lay down and prosyut(c)
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 31 October 2013 10: 21
    +2
    They have muddied our brothers. Maybe a really sane leader has appeared? Good luck
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 31 October 2013 10: 25
    +4
    Is it possible that the Russian political elite has absolutely no idea who is who at the top of the political Olympus in Ukraine? How could support be given to a politician who needs Russia only as a "cash cow" and whose eyes are directed to the West? Yanukovych speaks everywhere about the benefits of Ukraine in the economy. But you can not confuse the benefits of a scam.
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 10: 41
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Does the Russian political elite have absolutely no idea who is who on top of the political Olympus in Ukraine?

      Does the Kremlin really have no idea who it supports? Perfectly presents. But at least such a dubious person than nothing. Vitrenko no longer does the weather, and the communists sang with the authorities.
    2. T-130
      T-130 31 October 2013 15: 57
      +1
      As one American president said during the Cold War: he’s a bastard, but he’s our bastard and we will defend him!
      1. Akim
        Akim 31 October 2013 16: 03
        -1
        Quote: T-130
        this is a bastard, but this is our bastard and we will protect him!

        Did it really help Reagan with Noriega or Samos? It even reached the invasion, that of Panama, that of Nicaragua.
    3. T-130
      T-130 31 October 2013 16: 02
      0
      As one American president said during the Cold War: he’s a bastard, but he’s our bastard and we will defend him!
  • makarov
    makarov 31 October 2013 10: 34
    +1
    Politics is a subtle science, but when it is done by people with a dirty conscience and dirty hands, then it turns into "dirty".
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 31 October 2013 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Politics is a subtle science, but when it is done by people with a dirty conscience and dirty hands, then it turns into "dirty".


      Dirty, clean - these are conventions and shaking of the air with words. The main thing is that it be effective. Like Comrade Stalin I.V.
      Yes, Markov is a son of a bitch, but this is OUR son of a bitch.
      1. Akim
        Akim 31 October 2013 10: 45
        0
        Quote: Hudo
        Yes, Markov is a son of a bitch, but this is OUR son of a bitch.

        How is he ours? Crap and not a man.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 31 October 2013 10: 51
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Crap and not a man.


          I don’t doubt it for a second. There is simply no place for a decent person in the ruling party of the Party of Regions.

          Quote: Akim
          What is he ours?


          First of all, the fact that the very existence of anyone who is against U European integration, whose name is well known is a positive fact. On the long road and beetle meat.
          P.S. "MINUS" IS NOT MY.
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 October 2013 11: 03
            0
            Quote: Hudo
            First of all, the fact that the very existence of anyone who is against European integration

            Does Russia need it? Slippery sticky like a jellyfish in the sea. Will betray everyone, including friends (if any). At the rally in his support, two dozen people were scraped together. I wish his pregnant wife a healthy son, but as Zhiglov said: "You are a naive person, Sharapov, but what kind of wife does not cook up an alibi for her husband."
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 10
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Slippery sticky, like a jellyfish in the sea. Betray all, including friends (if any)


              Duc and opponents he has the same damage.

              Quote: Akim
              Does Russia need it?


              Then Putin decides. If this would help him to jam the overly overbearing savagery with a rich criminal past, then I would not make categorical predictions.
              1. Akim
                Akim 31 October 2013 11: 22
                0
                Quote: Hudo

                Duc and opponents he has the same damage.

                You don’t have to protect him. I don’t defend Janek. He also needs to put bunks nearby.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  Quote: Hudo

                  Duc and opponents he has the same damage.

                  You don’t have to protect him. I don’t defend Janek. He also needs to put bunks nearby.


                  The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Something like this. It will not be worse from that for sure, for nowhere.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 31 October 2013 11: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Hudo
                    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Something like this. It will not be worse from that for sure, for nowhere.

                    Oh, I would not say that. And eastern wisdom is not handy here.
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 31 October 2013 14: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  I don’t defend Janek.

                  But in your earlier comments on other similar topics, you practically expressed sympathy and compassion for his "difficult orphan childhood", justifying his crimes ...

                  Akim 25 October 2013 11: 40 ↑
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Do not equalize the little thing

                  And when did he sit? Kid. Yes, and an orphan. Stopudovo unreliable element.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 31 October 2013 14: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: Corsair
                    You practically expressed sympathy and compassion for his "difficult orphan childhood", justifying his crimes ...

                    You are comparing slightly different levels. There is a young green Yanyk who lived in the gangster Enakievo and despite this achieved leadership positions. Yes, for his participation in the aftermath of the earthquake in Armenia, he needs to be given his due and there is already a mature politician who lives in a pack of wolves. He is not sinless either. However, in his defense one can say that he is wiser than the politician Yanukovych, sample of 2004.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 31 October 2013 14: 40
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      You are comparing slightly different levels. There is a young green Yanyk who lived in the gangster Enakievo and despite this achieved leadership positions.

                      He achieved, thanks to a successful marriage and participation in his fate, the influential fellow countryman, Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, pilot-cosmonaut of the USSR G.T. Coastal ...
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 31 October 2013 14: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Corsair
                        twice Hero of the Soviet Union, pilot - cosmonaut of the USSR G.T. Coastal ...

                        And me Kartsev and Zhvanetsky countrymen. Why don't they help me? Apparently this is necessary to be able to.
        2. svp67
          svp67 31 October 2013 12: 25
          0
          Quote: Akim
          How is he ours? Crap and not a man.

          If the "stars" light up, it means someone needs it ...
    2. Canep
      Canep 31 October 2013 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Politics - Subtle Science
      First of all, politics is not a science, and it’s not whatever subtle (not to be confused with diplomacy), but the most dirty work, and it would be better if people with a clear conscience do this work, someone needs to do dirty work.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 31 October 2013 10: 45
    11
    Yanukovych feels like dancing to a Western tune. And the opinion of his voters who chose him after the Orange Plague to improve his life and relations with Russia did not materialize. Now he is trying to send any competitor to prison so it’s easier to solve the problem of the next election, only people can’t buy this song .
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  • GDP
    GDP 31 October 2013 10: 52
    +3
    I so wanted to believe that relations with Ukraine would improve. But it seems that in Ukraine the power of the people is the same fiction as in Russia.
    True, our government is at least independent and pragmatic, but at the expense of the Ukrainian, I strongly doubt it ... It is surprising that the pro-Russian president so abruptly changed his orientation from west to east. I wonder what are the reasons?

    They threw us again ... HOWEVER ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 31 October 2013 10: 58
      +4
      Quote: GDP
      It is surprising that the pro-Russian president so abruptly changed his orientation from west to east


      From it it’s the same pro-Russian as from a dog’s tail, a sieve - it’s just a criminal who has seized power, and is acting on the principle of stealing now or never.

      Quote: GDP
      I wonder what are the reasons?


      Simple reasons - the loot behind the hillock, it’s like a ring in the nostrils of a bull whose ring leads to the slaughter for this ring.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 31 October 2013 13: 06
        +2
        Quote: Hudo
        Simple reasons - the loot behind the hillock, it’s like a ring in the nostrils of a bull whose ring leads to the slaughter for this ring.

        Here it’s a little more complicated - the bull hopes that the herd that leads there will fall into the slaughter, and that he will personally be left with a feeder, a drinking bowl and a golden ring for his service ...
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 31 October 2013 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: GDP
      I wonder what are the reasons?

      The reasons are simply explained-You said it yourself-he CHANGED THE ORIENTATION ...
  • shark
    shark 31 October 2013 11: 13
    +5
    Personally, I didn’t see Markov., Personally, I saw a people who are alien to the autonomous fantasies of the current government. A people who have been deceived by the party of regions. And this people is ready to go out. Russian people. Essentially abandoned by their homeland.
  • artifox
    artifox 31 October 2013 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Julia will come out and Yanek will sit down.

    If he lies down correctly, he won’t sit down.


    Correct is how? As Yanukevich do not go under the geyropu, it will be like in a gangbang - they cram at most do not indulge.


    He hopes that he will be able to screw up :) "What I like to gangbang - so that you can fuck there" (c) from some anecdote.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 31 October 2013 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: artifox
      He hopes that he will be able to cheat :)


      Euro-perversions do not slap! Nothing personal - just gang bang.
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 31 October 2013 11: 55
      0
      Why are you gentlemen and comrades joking?

      After all, they don’t even leave a chance!
  • serge
    serge 31 October 2013 11: 48
    +5
    Markov’s clash with Yanukovych is the struggle of the Jews under the carpet. Klitschko and Tymoshenko belong to the same nation. In general, Jews of any color. Come, Ukrainians, choose your own Jews for president, whoever you like. And all, all of them will decisively act in the interests of the Russian population of Ukraine and stand for friendship with Russia.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 31 October 2013 11: 53
    0
    Something there is already postponing the association ... what The Polish Foreign Ministry said that it is possible to sign the association in 2014, and not this. The stumbling block is Yulka, plus they allegedly do not have time to fulfill something out of conditions. Probably little stuffed with petroleum jelly ... lol
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 31 October 2013 11: 54
    +2
    Just by analogy, when Mossadegh came to power in Iran and began to "freak" with the AINK, etc., the British and the Americans did not like this very much, and they removed him, and they did it very simply, finding dissatisfied + any demagogic nonsense, really, the Russian special services did not Are there enough resources? Or skill? The CIA carried out this operation on sheer enthusiasm, when the agency was not yet 10 years old. It is clear that Yanukovych was bought by the Americans or the Germans, which is essentially the same thing, so remove him where the problem is? I can imagine, perhaps, that in Russian intelligence there are a lot of military nerds whose imagination is at the level of a plate of pancakes, but all the military and “ILITA!” In short, the current Russian special services have a solid two in all respects. I don't want to offend the citizens of Ukraine , but their country is now like a pie that will be divided, prada is a "pie" that speaks and can express its opinion (which is not interesting to anyone), on the one hand, Russia, on the other, the USA with German singers, so apparently Russia has given up on everythingand just goes with the flow, in short, welcome to the European Union.
    1. shark
      shark 31 October 2013 12: 25
      +3
      I completely share the perplexity about the clumsy work of our special services in Ukraine, because they could flood all of Ukraine with our agents so that not a single Bendorite would have lived more than a week. I don’t understand. Probably really forgot how
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 31 October 2013 13: 38
        -1
        But isn't Ukraine already inundated with Russian special services? And if you think that political killings will add to the attractiveness of Russia in the eyes of Ukraine, then you are very deeply mistaken.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 31 October 2013 14: 17
          +2
          Quote: Walker1975
          But isn't Ukraine already inundated with Russian special services? And if you think that political killings will add to the attractiveness of Russia in the eyes of Ukraine, then you are very deeply mistaken.

          In the actions of 90 - 97% of Ukrainian politicians, crime and clashes of business interests are viewed.
          It is worthwhile to "start the process" thoughtfully and prudently, and then a "chain reaction" similar to the one that we went through in the 90s begins - the reptile will devour itself ...
          Only non-resource-intensive corrections of the situation will be needed so that the situation does not go beyond the scope of the plan.

          So you can only guess about the POLITICAL component ...
    2. Canep
      Canep 31 October 2013 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      apparently Russia gave up everything already

      I doubt it. Miller is already holding his hand on the valve, how will the team block the gas to Ukraine, it will block transit to Europe, and then Europe will have to decide to sit without gas in winter or without Ukraine, and whether it needs (Europe) partners like Ukraine.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 31 October 2013 14: 55
        -4
        Are you sure you can solve problems only by shutting off the gas? And Europe, due to a lack of gas in winter, can draw conclusions that are contrary to your expectations. For example, that Gazprom is an unscrupulous supplier and you need to allocate even more money to diversify gas supplies. I assure you, if Gazprom's gas purchases drop significantly, then Miller himself will start scampering around looking for who else would buy this gas.

        And think again: Europe is without gas, it is also Russian pensioners without pensions (and so with the Pension Fund there is a problem, but you want to reduce gas sales to Europe by shutting the valve).
        1. Xroft
          Xroft 31 October 2013 16: 05
          +2
          Gazprom’s profit goes to Gazprom and not to the Pension Fund (they pay meager taxes in comparison with the proceeds from the sale) and Europe cannot LIVE without gas. It’s just that in winter they’ll die or get a riot without him, but there’s no alternative where to get it. We would like for a long time already to send Gazprom but can not.
          So the question of dividends and existence is not correctly posed. Therefore, this is a very strong lever of Moscow’s influence on Europe.
  • MG42
    MG42 31 October 2013 12: 59
    +6
    With a high degree of probability, Leontyev has an account on VO that reads posts for sure, this is of course an assumption ..
    As for Markov, he undoubtedly exceeded "self-defense" in the events of 5 years ago, but no one called "freedom" to Odessa, they came to demand the demolition of the monument to Catherine, to which they received a harsh response signed in blood on the asphalt ..
    In the Party of Regions, strict discipline and unity of command do not tolerate dissent, although everyone understands that the pro-Russian party initially went to the polls under these slogans, and its boss Yanukovych became like Mazepa .., of course, ordinary soldiers cannot withstand such a 180-degree turn, it’s hard for them to watch their voters in the south and east of Ukraine, and this happens ..
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 13: 04
      -1
      Quote: MG42
      As for Markov, he undoubtedly exceeded "self-defense" in the events of 5 years ago, but no one called "freedom" to Odessa, they came to demand the demolition of the monument to Catherine, to which they received a harsh response signed in blood on the asphalt ..

      For what they could, for that they planted it. Al Capone, too, was not like a gangster.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 31 October 2013 13: 37
    0
    Change radishes for a similar "fruit" .... Just waste time.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 31 October 2013 14: 33
    +1
    Meanwhile, in Little Russia:
    angry
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 31 October 2013 15: 22
      -10 qualifying.
      And it shows one of the central Russian channels? You know, you rarely see more base propaganda.
      You know, you can, for example, take shots of young people shouting "Russia for Russians! Moscow for Muscovites", Cossacks of patrolmen, tens of thousands of Muslims praying in Moscow, Speeches by Zhirinovsky, Riots in Biryulyovo and the explosion in Volgograd - all this must be edited and provided with appropriate comments ... You yourself will be surprised.
  • master_rem
    master_rem 31 October 2013 14: 42
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: shark
    I ask you to give examples of the unequal (humiliated) state of Ukraine as part of the USSR? M

    I said that in the USSR there was equality and even someone (the Baltic states, Georgians) was given more. There is no such thing in the vehicle.

    What did they want, friendship, friendship, and tobacco apart? Look ... non-fallow lands, have been separated. Now business, nothing personal (s)
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 October 2013 14: 56
      -3
      Quote: master_rem
      Look ... non-fallow lands, have been separated. Now business, nothing personal (s)

      What kind of trick does the current Russian media have to say "nezalezhnosti"? You are not talking about Undependence Day in the USA. Apparently some kind of complexes. In Britain, for another hundred years, the ruling elite called America the Western British colonies, although the king had long recognized them.
      And the rest are right. Business. Then there is no need to agitate under the slogan "Brothers".
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 31 October 2013 15: 12
        +2
        Quote: Akim

        What kind of trick does the current Russian media have to say "nezalezhnosti"? You’re not talking about Undependence Day in the United States.


        Not only among the Russian media, but also generally accepted. The concept independence - Healed by his own separate life, became a household word, meaning something ephemeral and extremely absurd, existing outside of reality exclusively in the liquefied brains of certain subjects of which they scornfully call Svidomites.
        1. Akim
          Akim 31 October 2013 15: 22
          -1
          Quote: Hudo
          meaning something ephemeral and extremely absurd, existing outside of reality exclusively in the liquefied brains of certain subjects of which they scornfully call Svidomites.

          And you think that after this more people will turn to you? You repel my transitional generation, not to mention youth.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 31 October 2013 15: 35
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            And you think that after this more people will turn to you? You repel my transitional generation, not to mention youth.


            I think that things should be called by their proper names, even if for some it seems not quite politically correct.
            Further pedaling nezalezhnosti - the path to the abyss.
            Losses over the years of non-fallability, incl. and human exceeded the losses of the USSR during the Second World War.
            The economy is in extreme decline. T.N. ukroobrazovanie - just some kind of fabrication of dibiloids on the conveyor. etc. Any undertakings end in a deafening failure.
            And all the cries, standing on the edge of the abyss, that one more step and everything will be fine, are not worth a penny. Individual individuals transitional generation and young people themselves need to vigorously shake the corn fluid in their skull and understand the simple truth - there is no turning back from the abyss, and don’t drag those who don’t want to go into the abyss.
            1. Akim
              Akim 31 October 2013 15: 54
              -3
              Quote: Hudo
              I think that things should be called by their proper names, even if for some it seems not quite politically correct.

              Shozh to me so many minuses then put, when I criticize their Russia? If you do not agree, enter into a dispute, and minus is stealth.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 31 October 2013 15: 58
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                Shozh to me so many minuses then put, when I criticize their Russia?

                A sho plus expected to see laughing
                1. Akim
                  Akim 31 October 2013 16: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  A sho plus expected to see

                  No, although equal to the number of minus comments. Although I'm not talking about (spit on the cons), but about political correctness.
          2. Walker1975
            Walker1975 31 October 2013 16: 37
            -7
            And in Russia, a strange foreign policy has developed in general, when an invitation to the Union sounds something like this:
            - Well you, sm, let's be friends?
            - Well, you, pr, ofigel, refuse me? Don't respect me? Yes I am you ...

            Well, somewhere like that. And with this form of invitation, many Russians somehow think that in fact, if a referendum is held, then most Ukrainians will be for an alliance with the Russian Federation.
  • xcvxc73
    xcvxc73 31 October 2013 15: 25
    -1
    accidentally stumbled upon a site that allows you to challenge fines online, at the beginning I didn’t believe it, I thought it was a divorce, but I decided to try and imagine it turned out: one of the 3 fines was canceled. Hooray, I saved almost 4000 rubles. here try it yourself, modet and you will succeed. here is a link to the service http://safe.mn/bazam
  • Akim
    Akim 31 October 2013 16: 43
    -4
    Anecdote on the topic:
    The Kremlin threatened. Do not release Markov; we will forcefully accept him in the vehicle. fellow
  • Corsair
    Corsair 31 October 2013 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    And me Kartsev and Zhvanetsky countrymen. Why don't they help me? Apparently this is necessary to be able to.

    Apparently you are missing something, maybe "prison universities"?
    1. Akim
      Akim 1 November 2013 01: 03
      -2
      Quote: Corsair
      Are you missing something, maybe "prison universities"?

      Yeah. godfather threw the ointment for Yanyka in front of Beregovoy. And laughter and sin.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 1 November 2013 00: 50
    +2
    Kars and Akim - do you want the Star of the Hero of Ukraine? winked I think you will get it - in fact almost together in any topic, argue with all visitors (mainly with Russians)
    argue about the same thing.
    Although it is on this topic that there are so few comments and so few meaningful words.
    Although, in general, it makes sense for everyone to argue with Akim - he is like me from Odessa - where this uncle (Markov) of suspicious appearance comes from .... For us he has long been known and for some reason we know who he is and what he represents - but it’s strange to see how Leontiev represents him ...
    I repeat --- "However" is a transmission for broadcasting the "desired trend of thoughts" into the minds of people ...
    however, in fact, everything is as he said Jogan-xnumx
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 1 November 2013 09: 11
    +4
    ... To date, the ruling party, betraying its voters, not fulfilling any of its election promises, the main of which was the closest rapprochement with Russia, has finished self-cleaning of its ranks ...

    Remember the Bolsheviks on the eve and after 1917.
    First, the unification on an anti-monarchist basis, then - the purge of the ranks under the slogan "Who is not with us is against us."
    Further, judging by experience, civil war will begin. Cold or hot.
    There is nothing new under the sun...
  • holderrr
    holderrr 1 November 2013 09: 26
    +3
    Behind the barbed wire



    Some are happy that the border between Russia and Ukraine began to be fenced off. Guys, why are you? Russian cut off from Russian tightly. This is not Svidomo in distant Lviv so punished. It is they who cut us off in Belgorod from us in Kharkov, and us in Rostov from us in Donetsk.
    You might think all the borders of Russia are well guarded. You might think that migration problems have been resolved and the border with Ukraine is the main problem. The border with Central Asia is not full of holes. She just isn't there. And then immediately a delay was found. Is logical. Russian will not run away to the SA, but to Ukraine it can. In general, I would not be surprised if it turns out that all this mouse fuss was started only to stretch the wire at the border.
    One must understand that one can and should be a Russian patriot, a patriot of Russia. You can’t be a patriot of the Russian Federation. You can not be a patriot of the Russian Federation, instead of Russia. When we are told "by arresting Baumgarten, Lukashenko insulted Russia," this is the wiring. When they say that the Russian Ukraine is not our citizens-nonsense. When we are offered at the Olympics proud of the African under the flag of the Russian Federation and not proud of Ivanov from Kazakhstan - this is a lie.
    Borders of the Russian Federation a historical accident. And no community of “friends” on this side of the border that cuts off “strangers” cannot be formed here. On this side, it is full of those with whom we would prefer not to have anything in common. For that - not just “our people”, but ourselves. One country and one people.
    When we require a visa regime with a CA, it is not because we need a visa regime with everyone, but because it is with a CA that we need it. If we agreed with Ukraine on uniform rules on our external borders, then the border with it would have to be canceled altogether. And you are the wire.
    And not just about the wire. Lavrov: Russians must travel to Ukraine for passports. If your overseas hangs in the FMS, you will not see holidays in Crimea. Drive to Sochi. The government of the Russian Federation invariably punishes Russians for self-defense. Have achieved entry to us for foreign countries from CA - get foreign when leaving for Ukraine. Ukraine is not for Russians. Russia for the Uzbeks. It all fits together.

    Egor Kholmogorov's blog, October 28, 2013