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Officer over term. The military personnel will increase the service age

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Officer over term. The military personnel will increase the service age

The government commission on legislative activity approved the proposal of the Ministry of Defense to increase the age limit on military service.


Recall that the entire military personnel want to extend the maximum period of being in the ranks for five years. To raise the service age bracket, the 49 and 53 articles of the federal law “On Military Duty and Military Service” need to be adjusted. At the same time, the end of the man’s army biography will continue to be firmly linked not only with his years, but also with his military rank.

The highest officers will be in the highest priority position. For example, now generals and admirals, depending on the number of stars they have on shoulder straps, can serve up to 55 or 60 years. Exactly five years less than the maximum permissible age of service for colonels and captains of the 1st rank. According to the new scheme, everything will look like this: marshals, army generals, admirals fleet, Colonel-Generals and three-star admirals, who have already chosen all the years and terms, will be allowed to enter into a service contract of up to 70 years, and officers in another rank - up to 65 years of age.

The logic in this innovation, in general, is. Dismissing a 55-year-old divisional commander is only on the grounds that for many years it is at least unwise. Even more unreasonable is the "dispersement" of an 50-year-old doctor of science, a professor from the military academy. In principle, the president and the minister of defense can postpone the day the person leaves the epaulets for some time. But the Russian army is considerable - a million people, and more than one hundred candidates are recruited every year. If for the extension of the service of each general to turn to the president, the head of state will be forced to sign military-personnel decrees almost every day. Another thing is when the same division commander removes epaulets at sixty-five. In such years, it is difficult even for a strong peasant to wander around the grounds and teachings. And many troop colonels and ship kaperangs, which you rarely find in the study, will probably be relieved to leave in 50 years. When there is a long and heavy service behind our shoulders, and before the pension all army benefits are recruited, it’s time to think about rest.

Incidentally, the new age practice does not cancel the right of an officer to retire after 20 years of service. But its extension, according to the Ministry of Defense, must necessarily be accompanied by a certification recommendation. To add what is called an automatic five-year plan will not be anyone. You serve in good faith, you have good professional skills and the prospect of career growth, you have maintained good health, which means you can remain in the ranks for some time. You do not meet these requirements - take off your shoulder straps.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 30 October 2013 11: 26
    20
    Not a definitive solution
    Dismiss the 55-year-old division commander only on the grounds that he is many years old, at least unreasonable

    And to have 50-year-old battalions and company companies, with the prospect of appearing and 50-year-old platoons is VERY REASONABLE ...
    1. asadov
      asadov 30 October 2013 11: 30
      18
      I completely agree. They would simply say that it is necessary to patch at least somehow the lack of officers.
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 October 2013 11: 36
        +9
        Quote: asadov
        They would simply say that it is necessary to patch at least somehow the lack of officers.

        Here the question is more "complex". For at least 5 years, you can take a "time-out" to provide apartments for dismissed officers, reduce the number of new cadets, etc., etc.
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 30 October 2013 16: 38
          +2
          There is no way to reduce admission to military schools. They have already downplayed - there is equipment, but there is no one to fly, to drive. And serving is no longer necessary. You can and deserve - serve, but no - so no ... Go to the citizen. There honey and pies with poppy seeds .... There is even normal work ...
          1. Felix200970
            Felix200970 30 October 2013 23: 27
            +1
            Murphy's law begins to operate, and specifically Peter's principle: "each person grows to his own level of incompetence." We'll have to introduce hats even for company commanders (they removed the ram, they hung the ram). And after these old sandboxes do fall apart (who will die at work, and who will die right at work) there will be a new inflection and the positions of battalion commanders will be replaced by senior leaders and captains
            1. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 31 October 2013 17: 24
              +2
              Quote: Felix200970
              and battalion commanders will be appointed by the elders and captains

              And in the characteristics of the 40-45-year-olds of the elders and captains will write "inclined to careerism" !!! laughing
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 31 October 2013 17: 21
          +2
          And who of the acting did not fall under the military mortgage, at the age of 55 he will only receive an apartment or monetary compensation ??? And before that, every 3 years, rotation across Russia to mother without their "corner." Young people have already bought all the apartments and rent them, having additional income and even one will be bought before demobilization, if they will reasonably save with DD.
          1. servant.
            servant. 31 October 2013 18: 11
            0
            And that’s what the meaning of the reforms is about, is to move several thousand troops away from the possibility of obtaining permanent housing on the basis of IMI!
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 30 October 2013 11: 38
        +8
        Quote: ....
        Marshals, army generals, fleet admirals, colonel generals and three-star admirals, who have already chosen all the years and terms, will be allowed to enter into a service contract of up to 70 years,


        It looks like it will be under Leonid Ilyich. That is, to die at the posts
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 30 October 2013 17: 17
          0
          Well, 70 years is too much. porridge in my head
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 30 October 2013 11: 54
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      And to have 50-year-old battalions and company companies, with the prospect of appearing and 50-year-old platoons is VERY REASONABLE ...

      There used to be a category of those who were called "Fifteen Years Captains". These are those who have been captains for fifteen years.
      Report from the exercises.
      "A company of tanks appeared from behind the forest, not noticeably and not audibly clanging its tracks. Not surprising, because this company has been commanded by Captain Ivanov for twelve years already ..."
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 October 2013 11: 58
        +6
        Quote: IRBIS
        There used to be a category of those who were called "Fifteen Years Captains

        in the Far East I also met "fifteen-year olds". Nothing good, having rich experience, these people no longer wanted anything and often just drank themselves in anticipation of demobilization ...
        1. military
          military 30 October 2013 13: 03
          12
          Quote: svp67
          in the Far East I also met "fifteen-year olds". Nothing good, having rich experience, these people no longer wanted anything and often just drank themselves in anticipation of demobilization ...

          graduated from the school of a young summer ... arrived at his destination ... at the shabby rickety gates of the unit sits a starley overgrown with weekly stubble with a dirty bandage on his sleeve (seemingly under 40) and plays the accordion ... sat down next to ... started talking. .. letyokha politely asks if he has been in the elder for a long time ... "- Fourth year" ... letyokha (sympathetically): "- The performance was delayed?" ... starley (sadly): "- No ... It's just, I came here eight years ago as a captain ... " request
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 October 2013 13: 04
            +3
            Quote: military
            No...

            Vitally ....
        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 30 October 2013 16: 43
          -1
          As a rule, someone who would drink too much is drinking too much ... And putting alcoholism depending on career growth is at least not entirely correct ... But there were plenty of offenders and clowns at all times. And now even more so ...
        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev 30 October 2013 19: 48
          +5
          Here, the prevailing attitude towards the army officer rank in the USSR and Russia is also to blame.
          In our country, an officer, especially a junior one, often carries out even corporal functions, and a "sensible major" can be put on a barrier. And the chief press officer or conductor is already running at our generals!
          Whether the matter is the authority of the officer rank, say, in Germany at one time.
          The commander of the battalion in the Wehrmacht is a major, lieutenant colonel, and the commandant of Auschwitz (albeit a cannibalistic but large organization, enough for several of our regional UINs) Obersturmfuhrer - the rank of platoon, company in the SS troops. The choice, so to speak, of priorities.
          It is worth wondering how the Germans fought and why there were big losses in our troops.
          Not everyone can achieve the rank of colonel and general. And not because they are stupid or lazy. There are many factors, and there are simply not many of these posts, and there should not be many.
          But the captain, or major - it should already be a real boss, a respected person (Herr Major). And on salary, and on pension, and on their rights.
          And clerks, purely technical workers should be ensigns and civilian personnel (in peacetime).
          But it should not be possible to get an officer rank without a thorough "internship" as a private and non-commissioned officer.
          And then all around the generals, colonels of the herd, but plainly no one can command. request
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 30 October 2013 23: 17
            0
            This initiative (to extend the term by 5 years) is due to the fact that there was no one to maintain a more or less order in the troops and to organize maintenance and repair of complex weapons and military equipment. Schools were broken up, non-commissioned sergeants in full are not. Yes, and retirees are less needed, to save budget funds. yes
            Surely, they’ll come up with something else. It seems like a pension for 20 years is not general service, but a calendar, and not 50%, but 40. yes
          2. POCC
            POCC 2 November 2013 00: 49
            0
            laughing Like oats aren’t enough
    3. dmitrich
      dmitrich 30 October 2013 12: 09
      -4
      Have you seen a lot of them?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 October 2013 12: 19
        +9
        Quote: Dmitry
        Have you seen a lot of them?

        Constantly, throughout the entire service. In each regiment there were three or four of them. Some received a "major" and were used only as a senior car or, as in the joke: "Put a barrier or a sensible major here!"
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 30 October 2013 13: 36
        +4
        I personally accompanied senior lieutenant Bayanov at the age of 45 on a demobilization.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 30 October 2013 19: 39
          +4
          In my years of service, in aviation, among specialists in the aviation engineering service who served 25 calendar years and were promoted to the rank of senior lieutenant, more than half.
          And by the way, not loafers and drunks.
          To this day, I remember my flight shadow Anatoly Ivanovich Esaulov at the age of 45, at the age of 25, who received the Order For Service in the Armed Forces of the 3rd degree and was dismissed as a senior lieutenant.
          This service, unfortunately, is deprived of titles and ungrateful to people who have given many years of their lives to aviation. And if he quit his job as a captain, it was believed that "the man was lucky."
          1. Col.
            Col. 30 October 2013 21: 39
            +2
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Among the engineers of the aviation engineering service who served 25 calendar years and who were fired as senior lieutenant, there were more than half.


            There was a joke in aviation: "The title is given to the navigator as land to the peasant - forever."
    4. Fin
      Fin 30 October 2013 12: 13
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Not a definitive solution
      And to have 50-year-old battalions and company companies, with the prospect of appearing and 50-year-old platoons is VERY REASONABLE ...

      I agree. The best option: lieutenant colonel inclusive - 50 years old, colonel - 55 years old, general - 60 years old. Above only by decision of the president. And 45-50 summer battalions and company commanders are not so many. But at this age in the Strategic Missile Forces, Navy, Air Defense - high-class specialists and it is wrong to lose them. But they will do as usual through the backside.
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 October 2013 13: 06
        0
        Quote: Fin
        highly qualified specialists and it is wrong to lose them.

        Everything must be done reasonably ...
      2. servant.
        servant. 30 October 2013 14: 22
        +1
        Well, to high-class specialists, and now the contracts are renewed without problems ...
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 30 October 2013 15: 23
        +3
        Quote: Fin
        The best option: Lieutenant Colonel inclusive - 50 years old, Colonel - 55 years old, General - 60 years old ... But 45-50 year old battalion commanders and company - not so much.
        And as a result, since higher positions are occupied, there will be more and more of these "mammoths" in primary (and near-primary) positions. Since there is no place to grow stupid, everything is occupied by gray-haired grandfathers ... request
        1. Fin
          Fin 30 October 2013 16: 40
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          Since there is nowhere to grow stupidly, everything is occupied by gray-haired grandfathers ...

          You quit long ago. Now posts p / p and p-k are very few. The higher, the faster the brain eats up, so many who want to serve further without career growth. Who does not want to serve - with the school 20 calendars at 37 years of age, 25 to 42 years. What problems? Nobody forbids to quit retirement.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 30 October 2013 17: 16
            +1
            Quote: Fin
            Now posts p / p and p-k are very few.
            I am aware that they have become much smaller than before. And in the new scenario, they will be occupied by almost ALL. And there are not too many chances ...
      4. POCC
        POCC 2 November 2013 00: 52
        0
        And they think backside Damn something to give the Board so that the brains return to their places they gave back in the ass and their heads worked Nda is sad however
    5. Col.
      Col. 30 October 2013 12: 27
      14
      Quote: svp67
      And to have 50-year-old battalions and company companies, with the prospect of appearing and 50-year-old platoons is VERY REASONABLE ...


      You missed the phrase
      At the same time, the end of the army’s biography of a person will still be tightly linked not only with his years, but also with his military rank

      For junior officers and majors, lieutenant colonels, the age limit for military service from Soviet times was set by the 45 years frame with the POSSIBILITY of extending the contract for another 5 years. Do not want to - do not renew. I have many colleagues quit (or rather they were fired) in the prime of health, experience and desire to serve. Yes, I myself, regularly playing sports (MS), was forced to leave for 50 years, although when I was examined at the hospital before DMB, the doctors wondered why I should write off the colonel with the physical condition of the 30-year-old citizen. All people are different. I also met 30-35-year old loose ruins with the rank of major lieutenant colonel, who could not climb to the second floor without shortness of breath. Here you need an individual approach.

      Descendants to Edification
      If the general or chief officer of the Russian army, in the service of the sovereign’s health, has spoiled his health, he has kept his mind and has never left his service, but with great diligence using the doctors, he’ll put him back on his feet.
      For a sensible general or chief officer does not have strength in his legs and seat, but essence in the head and skills of the military.
      Being a sophisticated experience, I know that d_urak health excellent Skoda can make great stupidity.
      And according to this - it is better if the commander of Victoria is victorious without legs, than suffers without a head d_uren of embarrassment, living in complete health.

      Peter I
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 October 2013 13: 20
        +3
        Quote: Colonel
        Junior officers (up to and including lieutenant colonel) age limit

        Well, they sailed ... the major, the lieutenant colonel is already a junior officer, that is, in the future, the 55-year-old "platoon commander" can receive them. Yeah cool...
        The junior officers, and therefore the junior, are lower than their officer posts. By and large, and CAPTAIN, the same should apply to senior officers, since this is a company commander and he has officers under his command. This is so, clarification of terms ...
        And most importantly, I will not be surprised if soon they will make it so that it will simply not be profitable for officers to retire before the age of 50 ... the state has such levers, since the officer is completely dependent on the will of the "sovereign".
        1. Col.
          Col. 30 October 2013 14: 12
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Well sailed ... Major, Lieutenant Colonel is already a JUNIOR officers,

          I apologize, the demon beguiled! Well, of course, the junior officers are up to and including the captain. Thank you for your comment. That's what rush and carelessness means ...
        2. Col.
          Col. 30 October 2013 14: 19
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          the state has such levers, since the officer is completely dependent on the will of the "sovereign".


          That's for sure. For example, to tighten the issue with the apartment, reduce the% allowance to the ONE for the length of service, extend the time intervals for class, etc.
          1. military
            military 30 October 2013 17: 47
            0
            Quote: Colonel
            Quote: svp67
            the state has such levers, since the officer is completely dependent on the will of the "sovereign".


            That's for sure. For example, to tighten the issue with the apartment, reduce the% allowance to the ONE for the length of service, extend the time intervals for class, etc.

            ... and finally ... stupidly raise the lower bar of retirement service ... wink
      2. POCC
        POCC 2 November 2013 00: 54
        0
        A smart man was unlike today's men
    6. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 30 October 2013 14: 07
      0
      in the presence of common sense, the 15-year-old captain, commander of a motorized rifle company is already 20-25 calendar years old, he will be happy to retire, and he’ll waste the head of the repair shop or some secretary, wastefully, in their work and if health eat, let them serve.
    7. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 October 2013 14: 54
      +4
      not a borzoi, in 51 I can kick many asses, although it’s certainly hard, BUT I can!
    8. Nick
      Nick 30 October 2013 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      to have 50-year-old kom.bats and company, with the prospect of a 50-year-old platoon, it’s very reasonable ...

      Well, how do you like the 49-year-old private stock? But this is exactly how much the privates and sergeants cost on military service. I remember how my friend was called for retraining, he is a tanker, he was about forty, but he did not climb through the hatch. It all depends on the individual. In my urgent 20-year-old, a 45-year-old lieutenant colonel, a physical training inspector, showed on a horizontal bar how to turn the "sun" correctly ...
    9. APASUS
      APASUS 30 October 2013 19: 59
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      And to have 50-year-old battalions and company companies, with the prospect of appearing and 50-year-old platoons is VERY REASONABLE ...

      I'm for it!
      I see such retirees every day, why do our bosses just stick out from these fucked up ones?
      Let them serve.
      I understand when the service takes place in a submarine, in the mountains, in combat conditions - let there be considered at least three years!
      And then our chief at the headquarters sat for 20 years, shifted the papers from place to place and now my brain corrects. He saw the production of polymers only when the package in the store takes purchases to fold and suddenly he is all special! Look disgusting!
    10. alone
      alone 30 October 2013 21: 48
      0
      Under the new scheme, everything will look like this: marshals, army generals, fleet admirals, colonel generals and three-star admirals, who have already chosen all the years and terms, will be allowed to enter into a service contract of up to 70 years


      they again attack the same rake. For example, the commander of the fleet is 70 years old. Or the commander of VO. and who needs it? Is this called reform?
      1. Col.
        Col. 30 October 2013 22: 09
        0
        Quote: lonely
        fleet commander for example 70 years. or the same commander of the VO. and who needs it?


        Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov carried out his most famous campaign at the age of 69, forever inscribing his name and the glory of Russian weapons in history. And really: "who needs it"?
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 31 October 2013 07: 34
          +2
          Quote: Colonel
          Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov carried out his most famous campaign at the age of 69 years,

          And how many generals do we have at the level of Alexander Vasilievich?
          1. Col.
            Col. 31 October 2013 09: 58
            0
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            And how many generals do we have at the level of Alexander Vasilievich?


            And this is another question.
  2. Russ69
    Russ69 30 October 2013 11: 30
    0
    If a person can and wants to serve, then why not give this opportunity. All the more so on a voluntary basis, if you want to quit, if you want to serve ...
    1. smel
      smel 30 October 2013 11: 33
      11
      [quote = рус69] If, a person can and wants to serve. [/ quote
      And how much will leave the army due to the fact that the idiot who climbed too high wants to serve longer
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 30 October 2013 12: 14
        0
        Quote: smel
        And how much will leave the army due to the fact that the idiot who climbed too high wants to serve longer

        Alas, this is also possible ...
        In everything, you need to act SANE. And since such an age norm has been introduced, then it is time to introduce a certain "commanding qualification". Without which the officer would not have the right to be appointed to a higher position and, accordingly, to occupy it ENDLESS ...

        It seems recently, something was said ... Just the destination should go through a certain qualification.
      2. military
        military 30 October 2013 13: 07
        +2
        Quote: smel
        And how much will leave the army due to the fact that the idiot who climbed too high wants to serve longer

        many, very many...
      3. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 30 October 2013 14: 17
        +2
        those whom you speak of, and so extend, each time, for them this extension is not critical.
    2. svp67
      svp67 30 October 2013 11: 40
      +8
      Quote: Russ69
      If a person can and wants to serve, then why not give this opportunity

      Well, I think that 98% of "staff officers" and "administrators" agree with you, but what percentage of officers of "command and technical" positions serving in units related to personnel and conducting combat training will agree with you? After all, those positions for which they would like to leave, before the "demobilization" will be occupied by the "bronzed"
  3. leon-iv
    leon-iv 30 October 2013 11: 43
    +3
    Eat your mother left.
    And it’s absolutely idiocy to throw 40-year-old men on the street. For work, it’s not according to their profile.
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 October 2013 11: 48
      +4
      Quote: leon-iv
      And it’s absolutely idiocy to throw on the street 40-ka summer men.

      In everything, you need to act SANE. And since such an age norm has been introduced, then it is time to introduce a certain "commanding qualification". Without which the officer would not have the right to be appointed to a higher position and, accordingly, to occupy it ENDLESS ...
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 30 October 2013 13: 10
        +3
        Who are the censors? Who will be assigned to decide? Then after these solvers will have to rake
  4. toos_1799
    toos_1799 30 October 2013 11: 45
    +1
    It must be done. Correct offer
  5. TRex
    TRex 30 October 2013 11: 48
    +6
    "... and officers in a different rank - up to 65 years of age ..."
    I came to the unit as a young lieutenant, and there "two" legends served - one starley, the other captain, both under forty, both platoon commanders. For us, young people, they are natural grandfathers, and the battalion commander is younger.
    So that's it. It all started during the 1973 war. Our BDK with marines on board came and stood at the wall in Alexandria. How long they stood - I don't know, but the time has come and the officers were released into the city, such as for "dismissal", with a strict order to arrive at the gangway at a certain time. Both "legends" - too.
    The time is coming - all the "dismissed" arrive as expected, 15 - 20 minutes before the deadline. There are no two. They are late ... The commander of the regiment, together with the political officer, are beginning to worry little by little ... They are moving forward to the ship's ladder, anxiously, with hope, peering towards the gate leading to the mooring front. What could have happened? Two officers, two communists ... There is a war between Arabs and Jews ...
    A solemn moment is approaching: the gates open and two rickshaws rush to the ship's ladder, in all vapors ... Not a motorcycle, not a bicycle, but on foot, but barefoot ... In the wheelchairs there are two brave elders, happy and drunk, they arrived on board a couple of minutes before the end of their "dismissal". Can you imagine the expression on the faces of the commanders?
    Well, then there was a reaction, of course. At 24 o'clock - home. Demotion, expulsion from the party. There was nowhere to downgrade ("They won't give a platoon anymore, they won't send Kushka further"). And so the whole service began to roll: the star was taken out, the star was inserted ... At forty, for demobilization. The captain. Ugh.

    Why am I ... If such a law comes out - you can "captain" up to 65?
    1. understudy
      understudy 30 October 2013 12: 03
      +4
      Quote: TRex
      ("No more platoon will be given, no further Kushka will be sent").

      This proverb has a continuation - "Brothers, we were cheated, we are already in Kabul!" wink

      On the topic ... but what about the timing of the stock? Each category previously added 5 years, only 15. Quit at 65 and up to 80 "in stock" ??? repeat
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 30 October 2013 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: Understudy
        This proverb has a continuation - "Brothers, we were cheated, we are already in Kabul!"

        And a toast among the officers of the Polar garrisons: "Thank you Mother Queen for selling Alaska" ...
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 30 October 2013 12: 17
      0
      Quote: TRex
      Why am I ... If such a law comes out - you can "captain" up to 65?

      Yes, it seems that such a moment was foreseen "But its extension, according to the Ministry of Defense, must be accompanied by a certification recommendation"
      1. TRex
        TRex 30 October 2013 12: 34
        +6
        You see, RUSS 69, in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs the certification seems to have passed ... and recommendations are mandatory when enrolling in the service, and everything seems to have been done as it should. But literally today I read that "they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always" ...
        Under our legislation and with our level of corruption, parquet shakuns, court clerks and staff zadolizy will definitely be listed in the states to the limit, and combat, independent, competent officers will be sent "on a well-deserved rest" even if they still want to serve the Motherland. There are a lot of such examples.
  6. makarov
    makarov 30 October 2013 12: 02
    +4
    Ever since tsarist times, the service life of military personnel was calculated by the average state of the human body, taking into account the hardships and hardships of military service. It also included stressful situations from "winding" around the garrisons, shrinking living conditions, etc. In principle, they returned to the consideration of the issue of terms of service more than once, and ... it somehow calmed down. The current option most likely lies in the economic plane.
  7. ZU-23
    ZU-23 30 October 2013 12: 27
    0
    Well, why not, we had a senior ensign in the Caucasus to him 60 years old, so he lifted the guilty soldier by the cracker with one hand, and with the other hand pulled a belt from him and whipped him in the ass)))
  8. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 30 October 2013 12: 54
    +4
    I hit 45 and already a dash, I’m waiting for a decision to extend the contract! And how many more in limbo I will not know! It’s too early to leave, and we have practically no work here on the border with China, and employers are taking very poorly after 45 years! And I can still serve, I physically fulfill the standards for physically, my hands also grow from where I need to, so I for this change the law!
  9. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 30 October 2013 12: 59
    +2
    thank you remembered about us, I think in vain we were reduced, but after all, what techies were specialists
    Yes, and many could serve up to 50, but many others were so fat that two belts weren’t enough. To the topic at the ensign school, there were senior schools Colonel Alyanov came to the sports ground and said who would do more than me, leave, and not many could argue with him - So it is possible to serve up to 70 too many. when he quit, many cadets had tears because any issue could be resolved with him at any time of the day. And we saw his replacement only in this farewell parade.
  10. pahom54
    pahom54 30 October 2013 13: 09
    +7
    I agree and disagree with the article (as well as with the decision of the government-Ministry of Defense). The decree-order is again "sharpened" for generals and officers of the parquet floor. Over the years of his service, I have not seen a single officer in the army, in the outback, so that he dreamed of extending his service life. Some lieutenant-colonel majors, like conscripts, pricked calendars by day with needles, counted the days until dismissal. Himself for three years, during the rearmament of the division, did not know any days off or checkpoints. No, no, the order is not for military campaigners. And the divisional commander-general to be a divisional commander at 65 will be a zapadlo. This decree-order is written only for parquet campaigners, well, and it will also make the fate of military doctors a little easier, many of whom came to the army from a civilian (age supported, but no length of service!) And military scientists. Naturally, it is stupidity to throw a Major General-Lieutenant-Colonel, Doctor of Science, Professor and Member of Correspondence overboard at 55 and even 60 years old ...
    However, I remember the times when poor gray-haired captains EVERY YEAR (!!!) wrote reports with a request for an extension of their service life ... And another nonsense: the major, deputy head of the division’s car service, did not manage to receive a single pension - he died from an extensive pension just a week later heart attack. No, to those WHO NORMALLY, AS POSED, served in the outback, in combat units, this decree is not needed.
    Thank God, even the militants serving in the hinterland were left the right to leave after 20 years of service, that is, men will be able to serve up to 45 years of age and leave if they are already unbearable.
    In general, according to Chernomyrdin: they issued a decree, they seemed to have reacted heartily to the officers and generals, and to the needs of the Ministry of Defense (namely, the Ministry of Defense, but not the army and navy!) - but in reality it turned out to be bullshit again ...
    1. Kassik
      Kassik 30 October 2013 13: 52
      +3
      I think so too...
      In the army, as in the whole country, the laws are "molded" for themselves (for those who "mold" them).
      1. vlbelugin
        vlbelugin 31 October 2013 10: 02
        +2
        1000
        And only for yourself. Even in normal Soviet times in the "Soviet War", the magazine was like this, one "parquet floor", suggested increasing the period of wearing boots and reducing the period of wearing shoes. For their "poor" they do not have enough. And we, who wore shoes once or twice a month, did not have enough boots for a year.
  11. pahom54
    pahom54 30 October 2013 13: 09
    +1
    I agree and disagree with the article (as well as with the decision of the government-Ministry of Defense). The decree-order is again "sharpened" for generals and officers of the parquet floor. Over the years of his service, I have not seen a single officer in the army, in the outback, so that he dreamed of extending his service life. Some lieutenant-colonel majors, like conscripts, pricked calendars by day with needles, counted the days until dismissal. Himself for three years, during the rearmament of the division, did not know any days off or checkpoints. No, no, the order is not for military campaigners. And the divisional commander-general to be a divisional commander at 65 will be a zapadlo. This decree-order is written only for parquet campaigners, well, and it will also make the fate of military doctors a little easier, many of whom came to the army from a civilian (age supported, but no length of service!) And military scientists. Naturally, it is stupidity to throw a Major General-Lieutenant-Colonel, Doctor of Science, Professor and Member of Correspondence overboard at 55 and even 60 years old ...
    However, I remember the times when poor gray-haired captains EVERY YEAR (!!!) wrote reports with a request for an extension of their service life ... And another nonsense: the major, deputy head of the division’s car service, did not manage to receive a single pension - he died from an extensive pension just a week later heart attack. No, to those WHO NORMALLY, AS POSED, served in the outback, in combat units, this decree is not needed.
    Thank God, even the militants serving in the hinterland were left the right to leave after 20 years of service, that is, men will be able to serve up to 45 years of age and leave if they are already unbearable.
    In general, according to Chernomyrdin: they issued a decree, they seemed to have reacted heartily to the officers and generals, and to the needs of the Ministry of Defense (namely, the Ministry of Defense, but not the army and navy!) - but in reality it turned out to be bullshit again ...
  12. servant.
    servant. 30 October 2013 13: 30
    0
    Under the current law, the right to obtain permanent housing outside the place of employment can be used only in the year of dismissal, since 2014 they threaten to switch to EDV, but with money it seems absolutely n ..., in the sense of a little, but they cried out loud, very loud ... about solving housing problems in 2013-2014. Apparently they can no longer lose and get out of their face, that's the solution to the problem! How many thousands of troops will the queue become smaller after the adoption of these laws? !!
  13. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 30 October 2013 13: 31
    +3
    Quote: Colonel
    Quote: svp67
    And to have 50-year-old battalions and company companies, with the prospect of appearing and 50-year-old platoons is VERY REASONABLE ...


    You missed the phrase
    At the same time, the end of the army’s biography of a person will still be tightly linked not only with his years, but also with his military rank

    For junior officers (up to and including lieutenant colonel), the age limit for military service from Soviet times was set at 45 years with the OPPORTUNITY to extend the contract for another 5 years. Do not want to - do not renew. I have many colleagues quit (or rather they were fired) in the prime of health, experience and desire to serve. Yes, I myself, regularly playing sports (MS), was forced to leave at the age of 50, although when I was examined at the hospital before DMB, the doctors wondered why I should write off the colonel with the physical condition of a 30-year-old citizen. All people are different. I also met 30-35-year-old loose ruins with the rank of major lieutenant colonel, who could not climb to the second floor without shortness of breath. Here you need an individual approach.

    Descendants to Edification
    If the general or chief officer of the Russian army, in the service of the sovereign’s health, has spoiled his health, he has kept his mind and has never left his service, but with great diligence using the doctors, he’ll put him back on his feet.
    For a sensible general or chief officer does not have strength in his legs and seat, but essence in the head and skills of the military.
    Being a sophisticated experience, I know that d_urak health excellent Skoda can make great stupidity.
    And according to this - it is better if the commander of Victoria is victorious without legs, than suffers without a head d_uren of embarrassment, living in complete health.

    Peter I


    As the saying goes, there's nothing to add! What a beautiful language it was before !! Everything is smart, affordable and competent!
  14. sky17176
    sky17176 30 October 2013 13: 31
    +6
    This approach is only good if a normal mode of service is organized. What the officer has now: a 14-16 hour working day, at best 2–3 days off a month, nervous situation, very low level of medical care (there is nothing to say about the annual medical examination: there are complaints, no, free). For contractors, they want, so that they go into the army, set two days off per week, a normalized working day. As a result, only officers will work hard. For this, you need to increase the service life. Even under the king they served 25 years. They understood that through this time a person needs to rest from the service. We will get the brigade commander in 55-60 years old, that he can.
    1. servant.
      servant. 30 October 2013 14: 17
      +3
      Well, I still can imagine the brigade commander. And the platoon? The company? The lack of it is the lower level! At headquarters, the kit is always146 percent! And how to imagine a contractor in 50 years on a cast march? Does our minister not understand this? I think that everyone understands everything and the reason is not about caring for the military ....
    2. Col.
      Col. 30 October 2013 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: sky17176
      Even under the king served 25 years. They understood that through this time a person needs to rest from the service.


      25 years under the king served SERIES. And the officers - while the Motherland needs it, at least until 80 (read the edification of Peter I).
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 30 October 2013 20: 00
        0
        Only the lower ranks. Until Peter III officers for life.
    3. Felix200970
      Felix200970 30 October 2013 23: 22
      -2
      Quote: sky17176
      . For contractors, they want, so that they go into the army, set two days off per week, a normalized working day. As a result, only officers will work hard.

      Yes, that's all. 14-16 hours is too much. This is simply the inability to work independently and to organize a mode of work for subordinates. 4 days off per month was constantly and with outfits on weekends and holidays. And for this, my commander was drunk, because there should have been 8 days off.
      1. servant.
        servant. 31 October 2013 07: 57
        +2
        This is not busting, this is reality! In aviation, the flight shift is 8 hours, for 4.5 builds, the after-flight time is at least 2 hours. Weekend if you did not get on the outfit only on Sunday. So answer how to work yourself and organize the work schedule of subordinates? People in aviation, as always, are only in staffs, but not in parking lots, how to organize the work of the technical staff if there are at least 4 flight shifts per week?
  15. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 30 October 2013 13: 38
    +6
    So they would say, "Present need as virtue." And then again rubbing on the ears.
  16. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 30 October 2013 13: 41
    +6
    Let me give you some statistics. In the distant 96th year, 73 young people graduated from us as young lieutenants. To date, there are no FOUR. They did not even live up to the 40-year mark. And they died not on the battlefield and not during counter-terrorist operations, but from illnesses. And how many do not live to be 50?
  17. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 30 October 2013 14: 21
    10
    The extension has already been discussed. There dofiga nuances.
    And most importantly:
    - yesterday they kicked from the Army.
    - today they force.
    Would have decided ...

    ... By the way, the new age practice does not cancel the officer’s right to retire after 20 years of service. But its extension, according to the Ministry of Defense, must necessarily be accompanied by a certification recommendation. They’ll not add five-year plans to anyone ...

    This phrase is an obvious catch, the government NEVER does anything that infringes on its own rights:

    Well, then it’s possible to leave in 20 years and later ...
    Two questions:
    And on what grid will the pension be calculated?
    Will it begin to reckon with 20 or with 25 years?

    And these are the main issues from which we must dance.
    And it is always possible to write and beautifully justify "care", the paper will endure everything.
  18. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 30 October 2013 14: 23
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: leon-iv
    And it’s absolutely idiocy to throw on the street 40-ka summer men.

    In everything, you need to act SANE. And since such an age norm has been introduced, then it is time to introduce a certain "commanding qualification". Without which the officer would not have the right to be appointed to a higher position and, accordingly, to occupy it ENDLESS ...

    It can turn out as with the "police", not those who are worthy are attested, but those who are closer.
  19. servant.
    servant. 30 October 2013 14: 25
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv

    Two questions:
    And on what grid will the pension be calculated?
    Will it begin to reckon with 20 or with 25 years?

    And these are the main issues from which we must dance.


    But our media do not voice such nuances ... Apparently, the average person would have everything only in a pink light ..
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 October 2013 15: 20
    10
    Just a year ago I was a witness when the majors, who were a little more than 30-ty, 36-year-old colonels, were fired. So they dismissed the dismissal that the 70-year-olds would now serve. Why was it to smash the color of Russian officers? The author is silent about this. And we, the readers, would listen with great attention to the army personnel officers: Why are there such cadre shifts in the Ministry of Defense?
  21. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 30 October 2013 15: 38
    +1
    Re-dispersed !!!
  22. Sorry
    Sorry 30 October 2013 16: 03
    +6
    Error in the article. Officers do not leave shoulder straps upon retirement. They are retired to a certain age, and then to the reserve. And in both cases with the right to wear a military uniform. The Ministry of Defense would lead the struggle for the right to wear clothing similar to military uniforms in many government agencies, which in no way belong to the military. Police, Emergencies Ministry, bailiffs, jailers, prosecutors, etc. Let them have their own uniforms and even the most beautiful, but what side do they have officer insignia? The mess, however ...
  23. sky17176
    sky17176 30 October 2013 16: 11
    +4
    the extension of the service life is necessary for officers - science, big chiefs from deputy commanders of the military district, narrow-profile specialists. for the rest, you want to serve, no quit under the current legislation. you cannot compare the current army with the army of the USSR or the tsarist. In such a work schedule that exists now, and I know it, only "great" bosses can serve in the VVUZ. In the headquarters with a shortage of officers and inconsistency in the staffing, assigned tasks - it is impossible. In the troops, when the contractor will rest, and the officer will work hard for him.
    An increase in service life may be appropriate if certain conditions are met:
    if you want to establish civil standards, then you need to establish a normalized working day;
    the number of officers should provide a four-shift mode of operation, then even in units, there will be a commander in total;
    normal medical care, not a real medical examination, in which nothing is opened. An example for 25 years — it was examined twice: once upon admission to the academy, the second — before the operation, and the rest: there are complaints — no, half day officers, comrades, have had time — your problems haven’t;
    continuation of the contract - the decision of the soldier.
    1. your1970
      your1970 30 October 2013 18: 58
      +2
      the number of officers should provide a four-shift mode of work, then even in units, there will be a commander in total - guard will not be a commander. Why should he hurt his soul for those eagles whom he seven days a month will see
      I agree with the rest
  24. 222222
    222222 30 October 2013 17: 18
    +1
    A monument to the heroes of the film "Officers" will be unveiled in Moscow A monument to the heroes of the film "Officers" will be unveiled in Moscow on the Frunzenskaya embankment, near House No. 3 of the RF Ministry of Defense - where the National Center for State Defense Management is planned to be located
    http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/2013/10/30/
  25. btsypulin
    btsypulin 30 October 2013 17: 34
    0
    Quote: serviceman.
    Under the current law, the right to obtain permanent housing outside the place of employment can be used only in the year of dismissal, since 2014 they threaten to switch to EDV, but with money it seems absolutely n ..., in the sense of a little, but they cried out loud, very loud ... about solving housing problems in 2013-2014. Apparently they can no longer lose and get out of their face, that's the solution to the problem! How many thousands of troops will the queue become smaller after the adoption of these laws? !!


    I have a relative of a fly-starley, for more than six months I sent a request with documents on housing, and in response - silence .............. And from his words there are not a few cases when an answer is waiting for a year and more! Therefore, he is still wandering around rented apartments.
  26. toos_1799
    toos_1799 30 October 2013 17: 48
    0
    The direction is correct
  27. your1970
    your1970 30 October 2013 18: 55
    +2
    Quote: Pardon
    Error in the article. Officers do not leave shoulder straps upon retirement. They are retired to a certain age, and then to the reserve. And in both cases with the right to wear a military uniform. The Ministry of Defense would lead the struggle for the right to wear clothing similar to military uniforms in many government agencies, which in no way belong to the military. Police, Emergencies Ministry, bailiffs, jailers, prosecutors, etc. Let them have their own uniforms and even the most beautiful, but what side do they have officer insignia? The mess, however ...

    With what a fright officer rank distinctions ??? !!! special ranks are not transferred to the army, the major cop / customs officer / guinovian will be ordinary in the army if he did not have a military department. At the same time, the military rank is taken into account in these services at awarding special ranks
  28. Indifferent
    Indifferent 30 October 2013 19: 02
    +3
    It is strange that many people write here! 50 years major is that good? And can such a major run off the march and not die on the way? I don't know about the Strategic Missile Forces, but I know the nuclear fleet very well. Boats are driven like bicycles with or without reason. Either provide aviation, then OVRA, then go yourself to torpedo firing, then go provide missile fire, and so on all the way. A week at sea, two days on the shore of which a day on duty on duty at the submarine. And again at sea for a week, or even two. And in the sea there is a four-hour communication session, this is every three hours surfacing on a combat alert and the usual daily routine and watch has not been canceled. As a result, you sleep a day if you're lucky for three hours, and if not, then one hour. As a result of three months of this "service", hypertensive crises with hospitalization develop in twenty-five-year-olds. What about 50-year-olds? Several corpses will be taken away from the building and this practice of "serving the Motherland for up to 50 years" will be stopped.
    1. Col.
      Col. 30 October 2013 21: 54
      0
      Quote: indifferent
      Then provide aviation


      Explain, please, how and for what tasks did the planes provide aviation? It has always been the other way around: aviation ensures the combat stability of the RPKSN; performs search and tracking of the "foe" in the given areas and at the borders; provides the deployment of the aircraft in the BP zones, etc.
  29. Sterkh
    Sterkh 30 October 2013 21: 25
    0
    How is it now with the call of reserve officers (served as an urgent, then to the / department at the university)? In 2007 I wanted to call up, but they dragged the call to the unit for six months (I had the attitude on hand, I went to get it myself), quit my job, waited, waited ... didn’t wait, everything burned out. And now it’s too late, of course, 37 will hit one of these days.
  30. greenk19
    greenk19 31 October 2013 08: 00
    -2
    Yes, the senility of the Motherland is needed ... On retirement, they are bored, there is nobody to offend anyone, there is no one to ruin their life on their own whims ... But the troops are unlikely, these gentlemen who have served their asses in chairs. VVshniki really say they have an intelligent, combat Commander in the Caucasus (they didn’t say anything good about the rest). He is respected as an officer and a peasant. But such units make their way. And there are a lot of advocates of painting the grass in winter.
    1. servant.
      servant. 31 October 2013 15: 35
      0
      Hit the point! You see how they are minus!