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"The revival of the Soviet Union is very beneficial to all its potential members."

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A meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council was held in Minsk. The media write about the diplomatic signals that were voiced in the process of communication between the leaders of the EurAsEC member states. This is a hypothetical opportunity to invite Turkey, India and Syria to join the Customs Union. This question is commented for KM.RU Anatoly Wasserman.


It makes sense for us to include India in the Customs Union

I believe that the inclusion of Turkey in the Customs Union (CU) is hardly advisable for a very simple reason. This is a producer country, focused on mass exports, so the inclusion of Turkey in the Customs Union will lead to trade "in one gate". Turks will be very happy to sell their goods here, but they are unlikely to buy more of our goods than they are already buying. Duty-free trade will be clearly in favor of Turkey and will be disadvantageous to other members of the CU.

The Customs Union is good, first of all, as a means of establishing production cooperatives, so that you do not have to pay each link of long production chains separately. It makes sense for us to include India in the Customs Union, since military-technical cooperation with India relies heavily on joint development and joint production. But the alliance with Turkey will not give growth in these areas.

Nazarbayev noted that inviting Turkey makes sense to close the issue that the CU is the revival of the Soviet Union. In my opinion, such a revival is very beneficial to all potential members of the Union, that is, to the former union republics. Be that as it may, the Customs Union has value not only as a political, but also as a purely economic entity. Now it is necessary to emphasize the economic benefits. Our political opponents in every possible way try to pretend that the CU will not bring economic benefits, and these fakes should be refuted by all the forces and means available to us.

We will have to temporarily divide the world market into fragments independent of each other.

As for the prospects of our other structures, for example, EurAsEC, this organization is more loose compared to the Common Economic Space. I think it will gradually die away as it becomes closer economic unity. But there is no need to specifically eliminate the EurAsEC: after all, it will simply be replaced by a more efficient structure.

The prospects for economic unification in the post-Soviet space are all the greater, the more the crisis breaks the world market into fragments. The world market is integrated not only closer than necessary at the current level of economic development: it is integrated in favor of the few. In order to ensure equitable and mutually beneficial reintegration, it will be necessary to temporarily divide the world market into fragments that are independent of each other and are capable of independent development.

The unification of the post-Soviet space and neighboring countries is undoubtedly a viable, self-sufficient and very promising structure. It is not only possible but necessary to develop integration in this space. Even, I would say, vital.
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  1. I do not care
    I do not care 30 October 2013 08: 30
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    The unification of the post-Soviet space and neighboring countries is undoubtedly a viable, self-sufficient and very promising structure. It is not only possible but necessary to develop integration in this space. Even, I would say, vital.


    Archival and arching.
    1. a52333
      a52333 30 October 2013 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: me by
      Archival and arching.
      But for me, no. What is it for? To date again? Protect the common border? What are our industrial relations with the Central Asian republics? They have long been reoriented. Keep in touch, keep in the field of their interests. Create buffer states - yes. And unite - sorry. IMHO.
      1. INTER
        INTER 30 October 2013 08: 48
        +8
        Quote: a52333
        But for me, no. What is it for? To date again? Protect the common border? What are our industrial relations with the Central Asian republics? They have long been reoriented. Keep in touch, keep in the field of their interests. Create buffer states - yes. And unite - sorry. IMHO.

        If not us, then the Islamists in the person of Alk, Hizb, etc. will come to these countries. and there will be many times more problems than with integration + forgot China does not sleep!
        1. a52333
          a52333 30 October 2013 09: 26
          +2
          One booty to sit on all the stools - the seats are not enough. As for the borders, it is the most convenient along the lines of Kazakhstan. Steppe with visibility tens of kilometers. And to protect the Pamirs in Tajikistan with such a relief is a nightmare of the border guard.
          China does not sleep!
          China will be covered by a basin at the same time as the USA. An army of unemployed and dusty savings. As he comes, he leaves.
          Alc, Hizb, etc.
          already there, and for a long time.
        2. IRBIS
          IRBIS 30 October 2013 10: 51
          +4
          Quote: INTER
          If not us, then the Islamists in the person of Alk, Hizb, etc. will come to these countries.

          "If not us, the Americans will come!" - so we said in the days of the USSR and spent a lot of money on all sorts of kings and leaders. The result is here it is - outside your window, the navel is untied to feed this whole pack.
          If these countries are not viable, then there is no need to feed them at the expense of their own citizens. Apart from cheap and stupid labor, they have nothing, and this power poses a real danger to the stability of our country. So what the hell is this "integration" and unification for us at such a price? Do you want to live in a Central Asian village, but in the center of Russia?
          1. INTER
            INTER 30 October 2013 14: 17
            +1
            Quote: IRBIS
            If these countries are not viable, then you do not need to feed them at the expense of their own citizens. In addition to cheap and stupid labor, they have nothing, and this force poses a real danger to the stability of our country.

            Do you think that from the fact that we turn away from them there will be less of them outside the window? Or the collapse somehow contributed to their outflow, rather, on the contrary, the poorer they will live, the more they will visit us!
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 30 October 2013 16: 44
              +1
              Quote: INTER
              Or the collapse somehow contributed to their outflow, rather, on the contrary, the poorer they will live, the more they will visit us!

              But have we disbanded the border troops, abolished the state border, and there is a shortage of ammunition?
            2. New Russia
              New Russia 30 October 2013 22: 35
              0
              Quote: INTER
              the more they will go to us!

              Yeah!) They will!) Sami) After all, any control and even talk about it, a taboo
          2. T80UM1
            T80UM1 30 October 2013 14: 21
            +3
            I already argued with you about this, I will not happen again. What with the Caucasus, for example, why is it the Russian Federation? Why the Russian Federation Chukotka? Why Russian Federation Kuril Islands? Why the Russian Federation Yakutia? Why the Russian Federation Khanty-Mansiysk District? It can immediately refuse everything, one hell Russians do not live there, and there, after all, is not a center according to your logic.
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 30 October 2013 16: 48
              +1
              Quote: T80UM1
              What with the Caucasus, for example, why is it the Russian Federation? Why the Russian Federation Chukotka? Why Russian Federation Kuril Islands? Why the Russian Federation Yakutia? Why the Russian Federation Khanty-Mansiysk District?

              This is the territory of Russia, but why the hell do we need "fraternal" Central Asia? It's about this, about reuniting with them into something unified, not about the division of Russia.
              Quote: T80UM1
              one hell Russians do not live there,

              Well, the Uzbeks and Tajiks also have no place there!
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 30 October 2013 18: 03
                +1
                I don’t like only one thing in your words: those who reconciled once to the division of the country and the loss of territories will continue to accept.
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 31 October 2013 12: 32
            0
            I am for the vehicle, but there is logic in your words:
            I want to live in a Central Asian village
            .
            As for me, it is necessary to significantly expand the term of association with the CU, as is done in the EU. Do you want to join the EAC, offer that sphere of services or something else that would benefit everyone and have a growth factor for the most potential member of the entry.
            it’s somehow scary to be aware of the fact of adoption of such states as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, etc. let them tighten their forces, consolidate on entry. Of course, this process can last more than one year, but these are already internal problems of the state that announced its intention to join. It is a pity, of course, that Ukraine rIdna booty is turning. But that's another story! crying
      2. I do not care
        I do not care 30 October 2013 08: 49
        +9
        Kazakhstan-gold, uranium, coal, a spaceport is a snap, and it’s more convenient to crush terrorists at their external borders, rather than chasing them all over Russia.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 30 October 2013 12: 59
          +1
          Good. And what good is it for us?
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 30 October 2013 14: 25
            +1
            Opportunities to realize yourself.
          2. erg
            erg 30 October 2013 14: 36
            +1
            It is said in the article - the absence of unnecessary barriers in industrial cooperation. For example, a certain product or raw material is produced in Kazakhstan, then it is supplied to an enterprise in another state, for example, Belarus, together they create a product, say from the field of mechanical engineering. No customs barriers, duties, etc. A friend of mine works at a company that builds custom-made computers. That is, not a standard configuration, but one that the customer needs. Parts, respectively, are ordered from manufacturers. So it turns out that the duty on finished products is less than on components. So they have to arrange spare parts as a finished product, and at the customs they regularly give bribes so that the inspection would be carried out formally. For enterprises located in member countries of the CU, within the framework of the union, such problems can be eliminated. That is, creating joint ventures becomes profitable. Yes, and there is a market.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 30 October 2013 15: 05
              0
              Quote: erg
              It is said in the article - the absence of unnecessary barriers in industrial cooperation. For example, a certain product or raw material is produced in Kazakhstan, then it is supplied to an enterprise in another state, for example, Belarus, together they create a product, say from the field of mechanical engineering. No customs barriers, duties, etc.


              And now do they have these duties?
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 30 October 2013 14: 50
            +1
            Quote: Zymran
            Good. And what good is it for us?

            There are laws of macroeconomics, so that they work for us, we need to increase the economic space.
            1. alexng
              alexng 30 October 2013 15: 11
              +2
              Quote: Setrac

              There are laws of macroeconomics, so that they work for us, we need to increase the economic space.


              And the number of potential buyers in the domestic market to guarantee the functioning of economic self-sufficiency, i.e. the minimum necessary domestic market, which we are not yet able to provide for an objective reason for the population. Naked arithmetic.
          4. silver_roman
            silver_roman 31 October 2013 12: 39
            0
            And what good is it for us?

            If at the stage of "conception" of the EAC you think exclusively about personal gain, then the project is doomed to failure. Needless to say, you should not forget about this and feed hungry mouths too, but my personal subjective opinion is this: the goal of the EAU is to unite friendly peoples who have always stood back to back during World Wars, in the face of death, and have always been friendly. Benefits for all members will already be built on this basis. But not like this: "aha, those have ore and uranium - we will accept them, and those have coal, and we also have a lot of it. And there are emigrants, well, them !!!" - obviously not true and wild !!!
            ps did not want to offend, maybe a little rude happened! hi
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 31 October 2013 13: 12
              0
              You are also sorry, but no one will buy such rhetoric. Therefore, we have to drive everyone into this union under a stick.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 31 October 2013 14: 22
                0
                Therefore, we have to drive everyone into this union under a stick.

                Well then, we will face the fact of admission to the union of states in the likeness of the same Baltic states, who, with the slightest threat, will run like rats and betray everything that has been achieved!
      3. Romn
        Romn 30 October 2013 09: 04
        +9
        Let's be realistic with each new year, given the negative national policies in all countries and the negative propaganda in general. This very likelihood of the restoration of the USSR is becoming less and less possible, I personally think it is generally fantastic, and in every "fraternal" republic there are their kings and their successors, who do not tolerate even the slightest infringement of their rights and power. Look at the picture of relations with tajikistan, uzbekistan, etc., there are no concessions from them, only blackmail and pulling money. If we talk about revival, then at most with Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine (or at least with its about the Russian part, given the current paranoia in this country, they can live up to separation). Within these boundaries, I personally would be pleased to see the country!
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 30 October 2013 13: 31
          +1
          Quote: Romn
          If we talk about the revival, then the maximum with Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine (or at least with its about the Russian part, given the current paranoia in this country, they can live up to separation). Within these borders, I personally would be pleased to see the country!


          Communication can be maintained with the whole of Ukraine, and the probability of collapse is even less than the probability of collapse of Russia. You just need to follow a few simple rules:
          - if you come to another country, especially if you want her to be a friend, you should not allow yourself to insult its leader (you wait 4 hours here, and I will ride with bikers yet), the country itself (statements, and you are generally under-state, we want any part we’ll take it for ourselves), its people (and we would have won the Second World War without Ukraine), etc.
          - trade wars and blackmail are absolutely not conducive to friendship (by the way, the main industrial complexes in the east of Ukraine and the trade wars hit them in the first place, do you think in the East this adds supporters of integration with Russia?)
          - Well, if you want to be friends with someone, then the rhetoric in the media should be friendly.

          I think that if the Russian leadership adhered to these simple rules, there would be more opponents of the CU and EU supporters.
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 30 October 2013 15: 58
            +1
            Ukraine in the 90s, and so subsidized by the same gas for $ 50. No sense. They made gas at a price for everyone, Russia was to blame immediately. Enough! You can’t sit on two chairs at once, but how to ask something from Russia, the fraternal people, like Russia from Ukraine, is so irreplaceable Derzhava. Or it is impregnable, and then all issues are resolved as with Germany, or even as with Zimbabwe, or Russian governors, in each region, with the liquidation of such a region as Ukraine in general. Poltava region of the Central or Southern Federal District, I can move it to the garbage by itself, you can not even do anything with it, it will die in 20 years. And it’s okay how to decide with Zimbabwe, but something tells me that even Zimbabwe is a much more predictable partner who, at least, will not freeze his ears and gouge his eyes, giving up his own benefit.

            And there are no trade wars. There was a short demo that Russia would be obliged to do so that Ukraine would not become a transit point for the import of goods from Europe into the Russian Federation, bypassing Russian customs, since there are preferential tariffs between the CIS countries.

            In politics, friendship and brotherhood do not exist, there is only a treaty.
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 31 October 2013 12: 49
            0
            You all say correctly, only one BUT:
            well, if you want to be friends with someone, then the rhetoric in the media should be friendly

            to draw conclusions based on the media is at least not far-sighted. In Russia, the media problem is acute. Most of them are corrupt and serve Western interests.

            And on the account of the separation of part of Ukraine in favor of the Russian Federation, or that without Ukraine they would have won in the Second World War - words of fools! they should not be taken seriously and especially not to respond to them. I have lived half my life in the Russian Federation and have Russian citizenship, I live in Kiev. So not a single friend of mine. But there are not a few of them, in the Russian Federation I have not heard such nonsense!
            Best regards hi
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 31 October 2013 12: 45
          0
          For look at the picture of relations with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan

          You are absolutely right. Therefore, it is necessary to adopt strict rules for association with the TS and EAC in the future.
          typing in a choir is not worth it.
          The very same kings and kings when they see the benefit, they will be built in line. But in order to pass this turn, it will be necessary to fulfill a certain list of rules, the implementation of which will be the introduction. In this way, we kill two birds with one stone: we do not allow Tajikistan to embark on the path of rapprochement with the West, keeping it within the framework of the association, and for one we adjust it to the general UNMISTABLE HIGH level of member states!
      4. Polovec
        Polovec 30 October 2013 13: 05
        +2
        I do not agree. They are engaged in their production. And the fact that it was destroyed after the collapse of the USSR (like everything else everywhere in the post-Soviet space) does not mean that they are useless. It’s just their strength in agriculture, and in the specifics of this production it is necessary to develop light industry. As for subsidies ... We refused to subsidize our village and now we buy 85% of our products abroad. And if they cut off our supplies? Will we die of hunger? Or will oil collapse and there will be nothing to buy? What options? In Europe, by the way, farmers are all in subsidies and it never occurs to anyone to ruin them. There is a concept of strategic security of the state, plus the prevention of social tension.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 30 October 2013 16: 00
          0
          Where is 85%? What is 85%? Bananas? And the grain fees are record. Or do I eat imported meat? Yes, there is no such thing. Even American hens have been knocked out of the market in recent years.
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 30 October 2013 14: 16
        0
        Quote: a52333
        To date again?

        If you date it again, then why did it fall apart?
      6. erg
        erg 30 October 2013 14: 21
        +1
        It is primarily about a single economic space where you can not only trade, but also develop production for your own benefit. As an example: suppose Uzbekistan entered the TS. It is possible to revive the cotton industry in it. First, in the form of cultivation, and then processing. As a result, we get the raw materials we need at favorable prices for us, not talking about the fact that our Russian funds will also be involved in this sector, giving profit and enterprises. For Uzbekistan - new jobs, which will reduce the influx of workers to us from there, a good market, and profit for the state, respectively. And all this is due to the absence of unnecessary barriers. And the borders, each member of the CU can protect itself, if the more so membership will give economic prosperity.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 30 October 2013 18: 11
          +1
          Quote: erg
          As an example: suppose Uzbekistan entered the TS.

          Do not bring the Lord!
          Quote: erg
          It is possible to revive the cotton industry in it.

          At whose expense is the banquet?
          Quote: erg
          First, in the form of cultivation, and then processing.

          Cotton processing is a textile industry. Are we going to "revive it" in Uzbekistan too?
          Quote: erg
          profit to the state, respectively

          To Uzbekistan? So I don’t understand, but why the hell should we bother about the profit of Uzbekistan?
    2. APES
      APES 30 October 2013 09: 06
      +2
      property of any system - it lives only when it grows and develops.

      therefore, issues of integration, expansion are essential food without which it will either wither or die. It is objective
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 October 2013 10: 56
        0
        Quote: APES
        therefore, issues of integration, expansion are essential food without which it will either wither or die. It is objective

        Look at Europe and tell me - where is prosperity? The system loses stability according to the law - the more elements in the system, the less stable it is. We add the fact of the inevitable influx of migrants and we get what Europe now has - big problems that it will soon be unable to cope with. Plus, the growth of nationalism, which may lead you know what.
        1. APES
          APES 30 October 2013 13: 40
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          where is prosperity

          did i talk about prosperity?
          Quote: IRBIS
          System loses stability

          a system (viable) should be able to change its state in response to any disturbance.
          Quote: IRBIS
          is stable

          most stable condition? lol
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 October 2013 14: 04
            +1
            Quote: APES
            most stable condition?

            Sustainable balance.
            Quote: APES
            a system (viable) should be able to change its state in response to any disturbance.

            That's right, your condition. The presence of a large number of elements reduces the possibility of calming it in direct proportion to their number.
            A system in which new elements are constantly being added is not able to stabilize at all.
            1. APES
              APES 30 October 2013 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: IRBIS
              Sustainable balance.

              I rated your answer +
              question: with stable equilibrium - is development possible?
              Quote: IRBIS
              stabilize

              and why?
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 30 October 2013 13: 08
        +1
        APES
        You are talking about a "pyramid". A NORMAL society that is not infected with the virus of consumerism (not consumption, namely consumerism) may well be self-sufficient within its borders.
        1. APES
          APES 30 October 2013 13: 47
          +1
          Quote: kavkaz8888
          within its borders

          A NORMAL society, like any, consists of individuals, and a person in "image and likeness" is given the ability to create, in addition, a person in particular and society (even humanity) has such a quality as a banal simple curiosity, and within the framework of only this - it ( society) or He (person) will always try to go beyond (boundaries)

          Or in other words: with an increase in the field of my knowledge, something that has not yet been comprehended increases, and the desire to know this - to learn from a NORMAL person and society (also normal) should be almost the most important internal imperative.

          PS I like these topics for conversation repeat

          I forgot to ask: what do you think is a normal society?

          Can you name any state entity that has not changed its border at least for a thousand years? wink
          1. alone
            alone 30 October 2013 21: 55
            +2
            those regions that are subsidized are likely to join several more
            in hungry countries and together they will suck out everything that 8 non-subsidized regions of Russia have. why do you need some parasites who also sat on subsidies during the union? how will such a union strengthen the created state?
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 30 October 2013 23: 36
              +2
              Omar (lonely), welcome! I am surprised by the following fact. If someone enters the TS, then he must accept our customs excises (duties, etc., in general, everyone understood what it was about). How poor countries will then be - everything will rise in price. We in RK are dissatisfied with this and very much (even on this site it can be seen), and the Kirghiz will definitely howl. They often import Chinese consumer goods to themselves (they are in the WTO and there. Ac. Low), and then they are smuggled to us. When creating the TS, we had to create a full-fledged border - the requirement of the Russian Federation, which we complied with. And even grew. The sun was present at the checkpoints with Kyrgyzstan.
              Therefore, I think it will not be immediate. In addition, there is such a pile of documents that they have to accept that it has not been prepared for a single year. In general, it is necessary to impose a demand on Armenia - sort it out with Azerbaijan about NK first. We do not need "problem" countries. I think our aksakal will demand this, he will definitely not send our bayonets to fight for Armenia. We, Belarus and the Russian Federation, definitely do not need this. And it is not possible to trade with it, why is this fiction necessary? Pure politicking.
              And one moment . When Nazarbayev proposed to create an integrator with the Russian Federation. unification (TC), then he proposed to do this jointly only with the Russian Federation at the first stage. To quickly give a "result" - trade between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation for 1 billion dollars. the day he dreams. He motivated this by the need of others for the other, first of all, in economic terms and an approximately similar level of life. But Pytin asked for time to tighten up RB and Ukraine. In the end, we have what we have.
              At the moment, only Azerbaijan and Ukraine, of course, if they wanted to, could, in my opinion from the USSR, join it. And then Ukraine would have to sweat a lot. For example, to buy land there (a piece of land) is a complete punishment. Business legislation is weak. hi
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 31 October 2013 12: 00
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                Omar (lonely), welcome! I am surprised by the following fact. If someone enters the TS, then he must accept our customs excises (duties, etc., in general, everyone understood what it was about). How to be poor countries then - everything will rise in price


                What are you surprised at? The Tazov Union was created to push third-party products of the Russian Federation uncompetitive on the world market.

                Quote: Kasym
                We in RK are dissatisfied with this and very much (even on this site it can be seen), and the Kirghiz will definitely howl.


                Wangyu next revolution. laughing

                Quote: Kasym
                To quickly give a "result" - trade between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation for 1 billion dollars. the day he dreams


                This is obvious nonsense or to put it mildly Manilovism. 365 yards per year? This is what you need to trade with.

                Quote: Kasym
                At the moment, only Azerbaijan and Ukraine, of course, if they wanted to, could, in my opinion from the USSR, join it.


                Obviously, Azerbaijan does not need this union.
  2. baltika-18
    baltika-18 30 October 2013 08: 35
    +3
    The Eurasian Economic Community is not the restoration of the USSR. For the USSR is not only a union, it is councils and socialism first of all. Eurasianism is a "dead" project, believe me, already at the initial stage they began to pull the blanket in different directions. There will be no sense.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 30 October 2013 08: 42
      +5
      Quote: baltika-18
      it is not only a union, it is advice and socialism


      Consequently, a completely different economic model, which our capitalists without a human face, is completely unacceptable.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 30 October 2013 11: 35
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        Consequently, a completely different economic model, which our capitalists without a human face, is completely unacceptable.

        Naturally, Vadim. Therefore, without a change in socio-economic content, any serious integration is hardly possible.
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 30 October 2013 08: 43
      +3
      Good morning everybody. hi

      citation-A meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council was held in Minsk. The media write about diplomatic signals that were voiced in the process of communication between the leaders of the EurAsEC member states.

      Before touching on the topic, I would like to draw attention to such a fact as the head of state of Armenia,clearly asleep watching with 02-13 at a meeting when the head of state of Belarus Lukashenko makes an important speech.This is at least disrespect and disregard for the speaker and for all members of the council.


      Now on the topic, not the journalists but the leaders of the heads of state determine who is worthy to join the TS. Journalists can only express their opinion but no more.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 30 October 2013 09: 48
        0
        Quote: Apollon
        Before touching on the topic, I would like to draw attention to such a fact as


        Someone apparently (you don’t have to have a great mind and everything is clear) doesn’t like the video material I put out, BUT you can’t trample the minuser against the fact. laughing
      2. Gari
        Gari 30 October 2013 10: 10
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        Before touching on the topic, I would like to draw attention to such a fact as how the head of state of Armenia is clearly sleeping

        And you are right there, without insults and humiliations and false ones, you can’t?
        Look carefully, is Armenian President Sargsyan sleeping or not?
        Armenia will gradually enter the Customs Union,
        In Minsk, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan signed an agreement with the Customs Union on creating a plan for his country to join this association.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 30 October 2013 10: 21
          +2
          Quote: Gari
          And you are right there

          Maybe you will still have permissions to ask when should I go to the forum and when not?! You have strange logic.
          Quote: Gari
          without insults and humiliations and false ones, can't you?

          Where when ......... with facts, you have charged me ..... Do you have to prove it?! The burden of proof lies with the accuser. My lawyers will understand me.
          Quote: Gari
          Look carefully, is Armenian President Sargsyan sleeping or not?

          Do you have vision problems ?!
          Quote: Gari
          In Minsk, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan signed an agreement with the Customs Union on creating a plan for his country to join this association.

          Judging by what your president did at the time of the summit, he doesn’t give a damn about the CIS, the CU, and this is called a disregard. I made my point clear.
          1. Gari
            Gari 30 October 2013 10: 44
            +4
            Quote: Apollon
            Maybe you will still have permissions to ask when should I go to the forum and when not?! You have strange logic.

            Your business when to come, though sleep on this forum

            Quote: Apollon
            Where when ......... with the facts, you have charged me ..... and prove to you ?!

            I would like to draw attention to such a fact as the fact that the head of state of Armenia is clearly sleeping
            and this, what do you think to write as the president of another country sleeping during a meeting?
            Quote: Apollon
            Quote: Gari
            And you are right there

            Maybe you will still have permissions to ask when should I go to the forum and when not?! You have strange logic.
            Quote: Gari
            without insults and humiliations and false ones, can't you?

            Where when ......... with facts, you have charged me ..... Do you have to prove it?! The burden of proof lies with the accuser. My lawyers will understand me.
            Quote: Gari
            Look carefully, is Armenian President Sargsyan sleeping or not?

            Do you have vision problems ?!
            Quote: Gari
            In Minsk, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan signed an agreement with the Customs Union on creating a plan for his country to join this association.

            Judging by what your president did at the time of the summit, he doesn’t give a damn about the CIS, the CU, and this is called a disregard. I made my point clear.

            And it’s not up to you to decide to spit or not to spit for our president, I decide for yours, although who exactly doesn’t give a damn to Aliyev, your newly, re-elected president
            Our president faithfully leads Armenia to join the Customs Union with the full support of the Armenian people, I know that you will now begin to cite excerpts from grantososovskie newspapers that no one in Armenia reads, perhaps except you, but the fact is a fact
            The decision to join Armenia in the Customs Union is in the interests of the Armenian people and is the desire of the majority of the population. This was stated by Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan on October 2 at a plenary meeting of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) in Strasbourg.

            Please pay attention to where he made this statement.
            The results of a sociological survey regarding Armenia’s accession to the Customs Union, in which 1900 people took part, show that 67% of respondents support the country's accession to the Customs Union, and only 5% fundamentally oppose this.
            As you can see, I also set out very clearly
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 30 October 2013 10: 58
              0
              Quote: Gari
              Our president faithfully leads Armenia to join the Customs Union with the full support of the Armenian people


              Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has found the perfect solution how to make you enter the vehicle.
              It is felt that he is a brilliant grandmaster, your president and the whole government were going to the EU?! Vladimir Putin solved the issue in an elementary way, gave permission to sell arms to Azerbaijan and your president flew to Moscow with tears, signing all the documents.Vladimir Putin did not even have to persuade your president.
          2. Gari
            Gari 30 October 2013 10: 48
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            Do you have vision problems ?!

            Everything is fine with vision, look carefully again, if a person lowers his head, and goes over what is on the table, then he is sleeping.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 30 October 2013 10: 59
              +2
              Quote: Gari
              Everything is fine with vision, look carefully again, if a person lowers his head, and goes over what is on the table, then he is sleeping.

              Let the forum visitors themselves decide who is right and who is carrying the blizzard.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 October 2013 11: 19
              +6
              Quote: Gari
              if a man lowered his head and goes over what is on the table, then he is sleeping.

              Of course he doesn’t sleep, the official cannot sleep, he thinks and reads wink
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 October 2013 11: 05
          +2
          Quote: Gari
          In Minsk, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan signed an agreement with the Customs Union on creating a plan for his country to join this association.

          Woke up for signing laughing And where is the insult, well, he sleeps and sleeps. He wouldn’t fall asleep anymore. This has already happened with the Japanese
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 30 October 2013 11: 13
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Let the forum visitors themselves decide who is right and who is carrying the blizzard.

            Dear Gary, it seems Sargsyan really did smile .
            In principle, at official receptions this is a common situation and there is no insult in this.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 30 October 2013 11: 16
              +2
              Quote: Milafon
              Gary, it seems Sargsyan really did


              This is a fact, and facts are an obstinate thing. Surprisingly, usually you are in conjunction with it (with the visitor to whom you turned) and then admitted the truth.
              1. MilaPhone
                MilaPhone 30 October 2013 11: 24
                +5
                Quote: Apollon
                This is a fact, and facts are a stubborn thing. Surprisingly, usually you are in conjunction with him and then admitted the truth.

                It is amazing that you attach so much importance to this.
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 30 October 2013 11: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Milafon
                  that you attach so much importance to this.

                  I attach importance to everything, even to insignificant moments, and from the little things, as we know, the facts are formed, and already based on the facts, we draw conclusions and conclusions.
                  1. MilaPhone
                    MilaPhone 30 October 2013 11: 36
                    +4
                    Funny: is the president sleeping?
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Milafon
                      Funny: is the president sleeping?

                      You better look at Sargsyan .. he is closer to YOU
                      1. MilaPhone
                        MilaPhone 30 October 2013 15: 39
                        0
                        Quote: smersh70
                        You better look at Sargsyan .. he is closer to YOU

                        I looked. So what?
                      2. smersh70
                        smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Milafon
                        I looked. So what?

                        Asleep ..... laughing
                      3. MilaPhone
                        MilaPhone 30 October 2013 15: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: smersh70
                        Asleep .....

                        What are you ??? belay Well, that's it, we deduce the base from Armenia, we take Azerbaijan to the CU.
                      4. smersh70
                        smersh70 30 October 2013 16: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Milafon
                        All right, we’ll get the base out of Armenia


                        Sources in the Armenian leadership told how they were “invited” to the Customs Union wassat According to them, one of the reasons was offensive weapons sold by Russia to Azerbaijan. According to the source, earlier Russia sold tanks for free, with a range of 3,5 km, for free and for defense purposes. But a few months ago, the Armenian side learned about the sale by Russia to Azerbaijan of T-90 tanks, whose range is 5 km .....
                        so we don’t need to go there .. we have enough of our own)))
                      5. MilaPhone
                        MilaPhone 30 October 2013 16: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: smersh70
                        so we don’t need to go there .. we have enough of our own)))

                        You don’t say that, but you won’t say that - more Armenians are worried about this!
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 30 October 2013 19: 35
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                You better look at Sargsyan .. he is closer to YOU

                He is closer to YOU. We do not care how other people's presidents sleep, this is your "tender love". First you fight, then get married. Does it mean love?
              3. smersh70
                smersh70 31 October 2013 01: 06
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                He is closer to YOU.

                no .. this time exactly YOU (quote by Nikulin) laughing and it is YOU smile
        3. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 30 October 2013 13: 47
          0
          Apollo you are just different)
          Your opponent’s deductive mindset is inductive.
          And who is right to judge time.
      3. matross
        matross 30 October 2013 11: 42
        +6
        Quote: Milafon
        It's amazing that you attach so much importance to this

        Right. What is there to consider with a magnifying glass, sleeps, does not sleep, even picks his nose, a person ... may be tired. The main thing is that they will enter the TS. For his own good, by the way ... So the politician is sober wink
        1. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 30 October 2013 11: 49
          +1
          Quote: matRoss
          Right. What is there to consider with a magnifying glass, sleeps, does not sleep, even picks his nose, a person ... may be tired. The main thing is that they will enter the TS. For his own good, by the way ... So the politician is sober

          Interestingly, they (presidents) thump before or after the event?
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 30 October 2013 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Milafon
            (presidents) before or after the event thump?


            Take the trouble to choose an expression, they (heads of state) are not drinking companions for you.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 29
              0
              Quote: Apollon
              You are not drinking companions.

              Armenian cognac acted on him .... I thought that they would put a box of cognac and Armenia would help to join the CU wassat
  • smersh70
    smersh70 30 October 2013 16: 50
    +2
    Quote: Gari
    Look carefully, is Armenian President Sargsyan sleeping or not?

    ..he doesn’t sleep ... he just thinks how to blame the EU ... without offending the GDP wassat
    1. alone
      alone 30 October 2013 22: 04
      +2
      remembered one joke.
      one medical student is asked:
      -What does it mean when a person has both eyes closed?
      the student answers:
      - if a person has closed eyes, then he died !!
      the professor takes off his glasses and yells at the student:
      - if a person has closed eyes, then he is sleeping!

      He doesn’t sleep, they’ve found something to discuss. I’m personally on the drum what he did there.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 30 October 2013 08: 38
    +2
    No, it’s not profitable ... even in the new 70 years of Russia to invest in ungrateful republics, especially Central Asia ... fled, so fled. There are enough problems ... we will solve ... they will crawl themselves, as in the days of the Empire and then We we will dictate the terms of cooperation, and not the turnover.
    1. INTER
      INTER 30 October 2013 08: 52
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      We have enough of our own problems ... we will solve ... they themselves will crawl, as in the days of the Empire and then We will dictate the terms of cooperation, and not the other way around.

      Times were different, in our age we need to look at 3 steps forward! Even if we don’t invest, we need this territory as expanding markets, labor resources, language integration, creating buffer zones near the borders, oppressing Chinese interests, controlling drug trafficking, etc.
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 30 October 2013 09: 36
        +4
        Inter, we are already hung from their "workforce".
        1. INTER
          INTER 30 October 2013 14: 20
          0
          Quote: Tyumen
          Inter, we are already hung from their "workforce".

          You want to say, we will work for them, a janitor, at a construction site, we will mow the lawn. Unlikely!!!!! In the afternoon with fire you do not seek anyone !! It is necessary to tidy up the migration processes and everything will be in order. I’ll add, there’s no need to look for excuses, it’s better to find reasons!
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 30 October 2013 18: 44
            0
            Not true. I, a professional carpenter, worked as a janitor in the winter for two months, well, there were reasons.
            and behind the queue stood eight Mahmuds. With all the troubles, the salary was 32t.r. Clear,
            they would receive an order of magnitude less, but where are they so many from?
  • Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 30 October 2013 08: 39
    0
    And if you think about why this is necessary?
    The Central Asian states, except Turkmenistan, have nothing, We Russia will put them on our subsidy, and the buy-in will live well. In addition to deserts and mountains, they have nothing!
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 30 October 2013 09: 00
      +2
      They didn’t have in the 19th century, but they created problems. In general, how exactly the problems will be solved with them somehow I do not care, for so many years Russia has not become their country for them, and if so, I have every right to look at some janitor of the Uzbek as a subhuman. They didn’t want to live in the republics, and they lost everything that the Russians built for you, live in colonies and work for food, but it’s better not to poke your head around here, and no more subsidies. Are children in XYZstan swelling with hunger? I don’t care! These are the problems of XYZstan. And we will create problems, so we can bomb.
      Anyway, the very BRICS is built on one principle, non-interference in internal affairs, it’s profitable to work together, we work this way, it’s disadvantageous, we don’t work like that. And all hurt yourself.
  • Letnab
    Letnab 30 October 2013 08: 43
    +3
    quote:
    The customs union is good, first of all, as a means of establishing production cooperatives, so that you do not have to pay separately for each link in long production chains
    Yes, cooperation is really needed, but first of all three main countries (Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan), i.e. those countries that can and should potentially switch to almost complete internal self-sufficiency of the entire Customs Union. The rest will ask for any, but you cannot give them wide opportunities, who will beckon the thread, and after all they will run ...
  • makarov
    makarov 30 October 2013 08: 44
    +3
    ".. The unification of the post-Soviet space and neighboring countries gravitating towards it is undoubtedly a viable, self-sufficient and very promising structure. It is not only possible, but also necessary to develop integration in this space. It is even, I would say, vital."

    SW Author.
    IF YOU STILL TELL AND SHOW HOW IT IS REALLY DO !!!!
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 30 October 2013 09: 33
      +2
      1. Create an interstate corporation at the expense of all people who want to unite
      2. Create internal intelligence services that will eliminate all enemies of the people and hindering this corporation
      3. Start campaigning the army
      4. Armed coup
      5. purges and confiscations of the current selling elite
  • Grbear
    Grbear 30 October 2013 08: 58
    +2
    Chavoy Wasserman spoke in cliches !? Either he began to grow old or the journalist "inflated" a couple of phrases about Turkey for an article for breakfast.

    The vehicle is not going to feed anyone. Business and nothing personal.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 30 October 2013 09: 55
      0
      "TS is not going to feed anyone. Business and nothing personal."

      I agree. stop talking about the political component of the CU, it is primarily an economic union. and politically, he works precisely through the economy, because not everyone is as stupid as the Balts, and they will not constantly spit in the well of economic benefit. I emphasize, constantly, because sometimes it’s spitting this tradition for many.
    2. AVV
      AVV 30 October 2013 12: 35
      +3
      He correctly wrote that Turkey cannot be included in the CU, because, firstly, it is a NATO country, and secondly, it will use the benefits to sell its goods, but it will buy in the West, look at gold, it is bought from us like scrap, and here it brings jewelry thirdly, disagreements with Armenia, fourthly look at the Auction on air defense systems, the states and the European Union are constantly putting pressure on it! And this is just a tactical move by the Turks in order to take it to Europe faster !!!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 30 October 2013 14: 40
        0
        Quote: AVV
        third disagreement with Armenia

        So what? Azerbaijan also has disagreements with Armenia, and Armenia is not a member of the CU.
        Quote: AVV
        secondly, it will use privileges for selling its goods, but it will buy in the West, look at gold, it is bought from us like scrap, and here it brings jewelry

        For this, there are customs barriers, let me remind you that the union is called customs.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 25
          -1
          Quote: Setrac
          moreover, Armenia is not a member of the CU.

          yes where will she go from a submarine laughing they adopted a road map for her ... due to the fact that Lukashenko and Nazarbayev are on the side of Azerbaijan ... they said go adjust the conflict ... let's see further .... but look at the attitude of Armenia - Sargsyan fell asleep ... But this summit was still remembered at one curious moment, and more specifically, the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan got into the frames of the Belarusian ONT channel. So, the President of Armenia, just like 3 years ago at the OSCE summit, just fell asleep. We invite you to watch this news release. The frames with sleeping Sargsyan begin from the second minute of the video. -
  • negeroi
    negeroi 30 October 2013 09: 01
    +2
    There could be a sense. And it is quite real and sense and benefit. The blanket is always pulled by everyone in all unions, unions and other associations. NATO is a vivid example. But both the European Union and the alliance of the United States, Europe and the Countries of the British Commonwealth, which by the way has not yet took shape, an example of urgently needed integration. Despite the differences, the difference in potential and roles, they still work, systematically and consistently. Moreover, they do better than we do, for a number of factors. Namely, these are countries with a single mentality. " Western "type. These countries recognize the indisputable authority of the United States, which is also a unifying factor. And as a result, makes the United States a regulator and arbiter among these countries, which in turn also becomes an additional factor of unification, its effectiveness and viability.
    It is vitally important for us to have an alliance with anyone, since they don’t take us as good guys, they don’t write us down. But our union stumbles upon the absence of a sufficiently authoritative state, which would be the basis and arbiter. Everyone remembers the "bad" behavior of the Big Brother, no one wants to be on second roles, Nobody wants a commie and the center of the universe for China with its ideology. Yes, and we are not ready. And China is the coolest in our party. So it will be a long and difficult negotiation. And the question is not so - whether or not there will be sense. The question is the same as a hundred years ago, as well as 70-who will whom, we or them. Moreover, the question of the final solution of the issue, then the bish of total destruction, is not speculation and yesterday. Distortions and crises in the economy send to the next world no worse nuclear bombs, tens of millions. In such a situation, we have to fraternize with the devil.
  • faraon
    faraon 30 October 2013 09: 32
    +3
    EurAsEC is not the restoration of the USSR.

    But, this is one of the first steps towards the restoration and reunification of the former republics, the establishment of trade and economic ties. The restoration of the country's former power, and as it will be called the CIS or the United States of Eurasia, is not so important, it is important to restore the country's former power. For the period of Soviet power very strong changes have taken place, integration both into politics and into a single economic space. The years of independence have shown that integration laws cannot be changed, that the former republics cannot exist without each other.

    So, these are the first steps to the revival of a great country, which must be supported in every possible way.
    1. asadov
      asadov 30 October 2013 09: 59
      +1
      I completely agree. Of course, this will not be the same Union, but it will be something like that.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 30 October 2013 11: 36
        +6
        Quote: asadov
        Of course, this will not be the same Union, but it will be something like that.

        Will not be. The Union was based on ideology. It is understood by the majority and supported by it. Accordingly, decisions were made based on this ideology. There is also a soulless economy in its purest form. Those who are hoping for a big change will be very disappointed in this project, I am afraid. Everything will remain as it was. The rich will become richer, those who lived from paycheck to paycheck will continue to live on. But, of course, it's still better than nothing.
    2. Gari
      Gari 30 October 2013 10: 15
      +2
      Quote: faraon
      So, these are the first steps to the revival of a great country, which must be supported in every possible way.

      All right
      "The revival of the Soviet Union is very beneficial to all its potential members."
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 21
      +1
      Quote: faraon
      this is one of the first steps towards the restoration and reunification of the former republics

      with the complete dominance of Russia ... it looks very attractive in appearance .. and if you look inside, it’s the creation of ... national structures .... everything will be decided from Moscow .... where and how much to miss .... the creation of a single ruble ..... quotas ... no ... better on an equal footing with seven states ...... there wasn’t enough to trade and open borders in Armenia .... let them climb without our help. .... and besides, 500 thousand of our compatriots live in Georgia .... and take off trading on TS terms as well .... it’s hard for them to ... persuade Yanukovych for now ... and then we'll see .... and if you want to see us there, put pressure on Armenia ....
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 30 October 2013 19: 53
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        .Concern so far Yanukovych ... and then we'll see ....

        You exaggerate the role of dwarf states. As I wrote above, there are laws of macroeconomics, Russia needs to bring the size of the domestic market to 300 million people, no less (in the Soviet Union it was 360 million) and here your five or ten million people are a drop in the bucket, of course you will not be refused, if you wish However, Russia is interested in joining demographically larger participants.
        1. alone
          alone 30 October 2013 22: 06
          0
          but our billions are not a drop, but quite normal finances)))
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 30 October 2013 22: 56
            0
            Quote: lonely
            but our billions are not a drop, but quite normal finances)))

            Well, for example, in order to develop civil aviation of its own production, it is necessary to have an economic space of at least 250 million people.
            So normal finances, but not sufficient.
            1. alone
              alone 30 October 2013 23: 28
              0
              We are not so strong as to start creating our aviation industry. It needs huge finances. Yes, and with such competition, it is unlikely that anyone will buy something from us in the aircraft industry. So in our case it’s better to buy, which we do.
              the finances that we have are enough to fully develop many industries and earn income for the country. We do not claim world domination)) wink
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 October 2013 10: 27
    +1
    Economic integration is vital in the current context of globalization. But there really must be an economy, production of goods, close trade relations. The talking room is unacceptable.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 30 October 2013 10: 54
    +1
    With all due respect to the personal opinion of the author - Anatoly Wasserman, I think that people who can look into the future for several decades should judge how the TS should develop. An example of such a person was Stalin who had already managed to prepare the USSR for the Second World War.
    Arguing as a simple layman - we can’t sell anything to Turkey, but we can’t sell it to India.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 30 October 2013 12: 23
      0
      Stalin did not have time to prepare the USSR for World War 2. But thanks to the existence, the Union managed to win the war, thanks to the natural resources of Kazakhstan and Siberia, oil from Azerbaijan, evacuated plants from Ukraine, etc. They were all together - and won. And about India - it is doubtful. This is a country with more than 1 billion people. As long as they buy something in Russia, they will fill up with their cheap goods. This is the second China
      1. alone
        alone 30 October 2013 22: 06
        0
        moreover, the bulk of the population lives in poverty.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 30 October 2013 11: 44
    +1
    Answer one question. Why re-create a state that was able to ruin three h (m) udaks? And if you still recreate it in the current conditions, then it will generally turn out to be simply stillborn. This is beneficial for those formations that hope to survive at the expense of the stronger and richer, while retaining the power of their appanage "princes". In our country, the federation needs to be improved and strengthened. Or is there a desire to turn Russia into a den for those who want to cut down the dough at any cost? Already, the country is flooded with "specialists" who simply "bury" money in the construction of roads that fall apart in a year and houses that are scary to move into. Guess what hundreds of thousands of migrants will do if a crisis breaks out and they lose their jobs?
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 30 October 2013 14: 29
      +2
      I answer: there is a national idea of ​​a superpower - which will inspire people and lead them along, the very idea of ​​what is so lacking in the current RF ... If your apartment or house is divided by force, this does not mean that you need to put up with it and be content with the rest meters of living space.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 30 October 2013 15: 02
        0
        Create. Just not at our expense. And most Kazakhs still do not support any projects to build a superpower and butting with America or China.
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 30 October 2013 15: 10
          0
          Of course rude, but still sometimes the opinion of small nations is ignored. As with Chechnya, for example, but the Kazakhs are not Chechen, so everything will be peaceful and civilized.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 30 October 2013 15: 16
            +1
            You know better than me that there is only one integrator in Kazakhstan and this is the Leader of the nation. But even he is against political integration.
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 30 October 2013 15: 27
              +1
              Now while in Russia disintegrators and oligarchs rule, after their removal from power a new integration project will be launched. Regardless of local rulers, the Baltic states, Slavic states, Central Asia, and at least Kazakhstan are important for Russia strategically (life or death). No one will be asked to implement ideas. There will be various measures that are especially stubborn as Bandera expects you know what. Therefore, everyone will peacefully join the new superpower.
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 30 October 2013 15: 29
                0
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bR_JTKWE50 laughing

                I don’t know how to insert in the form of a clip.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 30 October 2013 16: 09
          +1
          This is called farming. Unwillingness to live in the huge Dzhernev always punished by living in a poor global outback.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 30 October 2013 16: 41
            +1
            Quote: Avenger711
            Reluctance to live in the huge Dzhernev always punished by living in a poor global outback.

            That's what I look at - Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and Monaco live in poverty, sit on bread and water, heartfelt ... Maybe we, a great power, can help them with something, eh?
            I would like to live on a farm in Monaco ... And to hell with him, what is it called there ...
            1. Avenger711
              Avenger711 30 October 2013 19: 59
              0
              But no one will give you a farm there. All the places are occupied, you know, everyone will not be able to do any kind of service to Europe, and so that it would suit all of Europe and no one would climb.

              Actually about Liechtenstein:

              More than 73,7 thousand international concerns and foreign companies are registered in Liechtenstein due to the low level of taxation, simple registration rules and in order to maintain financial secrecy.


              That is, a worldwide privileged zone with a small population that is easy to feed.
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 October 2013 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: T80UM1
        If your apartment or house is divided by force

        My apartment is not forcibly shared. But if the hut seems to be like a general one, then there is a lot of thought - you’ll sway!
        Quote: T80UM1
        the national idea of ​​a superpower appears - which will inspire people and lead them

        Who appears?
        Who inspires?
        Whom and, most importantly, where will you lead?
        Quote: T80UM1
        the very idea of ​​what is so lacking in the current RF ...

        In Russia, there is not enough other now - a creator leader, stern, but fair, decisive and, preferably, not a balabol. Which will make decisions for the people and be responsible for their words, deeds and promises.
        The unity of the Law is lacking. Unity for all. And the idea is, of course, good, the business is necessary, but you won’t be fed up with one idea and you will not feed the people.
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 30 October 2013 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: IRBIS
          Who appears? Who inspires? Who and, most importantly, where will you lead?

          I will not answer this question directly, just read the text of the Soviet anthem, it says it all.
          Quote: IRBIS

          My apartment is not forcibly shared. But if the hut seems to be like a general one, then there is a lot of thought - you’ll sway!

          It may not be during your lifetime, but there is an example of decay, and this example is dangerous for the future. Therefore, to restore the status quo, you will be forced to do what you are now opposed to, you or your descendants.
          1. alone
            alone 30 October 2013 22: 07
            +2
            I don’t need this union. I’m for bilateral normal, honest relations.
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 31 October 2013 07: 56
              +1
              There is no talk for Azerbaijan, no one is going to include you there. The maximum is economic relations.
  • New Russia
    New Russia 30 October 2013 11: 52
    +3
    "New USSR" Are you kidding me?) Do we have a global project? Or are we just a rotten part of the Western system, weaving in its tail ??? Globalism, the power of oligarchs, capitalism, is this our project?) The Kremlin even puts pressure on Belarus because of the Caucasian oligarch, because for him the Customs Union is a way of capturing countries by our oligarchs. Do you think India will give up independence? Never in my life. India in 20 years will become one of the superpowers. Turkey, a key regional power, will forget the long-term alliance with the West, ties with the United States and will come to the taiga union ??? Yes, they can't even buy missiles without the consent of the United States, what are you talking about?) And we, with you, everyone, need an alliance with the Asians ??? Because Ukraine will not be there. For the base unnecessary in Tajikistan, we got a million more rapists and drug dealers, opened the gates of the country to the barbarians! One hundred thousand deaths a year from Asian heroin! Of course, we’re just stupid and don’t understand that this is such a geopolitics! Destroy your people for the sake of "union" with non-people who in Asia have already done away with the Russians and really want to be friends again!

    "... Despite the assurances of the police, the conflict in Severouralsk bears precisely an interethnic color. For example, after the first attack, at the end of August, there was already an unauthorized gathering of urban youth in the city, which gathered about 400 people, who, according to eyewitnesses , “They were ready to destroy Azerbaijani cafes and shops, just like in Biryulyovo.” However, a local veteran organization intervened in the situation - the old men managed to convince the angry youth not to start riots.

    After the second attack, the Azerbaijani diaspora decided to make a preventive statement, accusing the injured Ushanov of inciting ethnic hatred. The scandalously famous deputy Oleg Chistyakov lobbied for the interests of Azerbaijani guests. The one that United Russia drove out of its ranks with shame this summer for delivering low-quality products to a children's camp. The same deputy witnessed the prosecution in the resonant case of the mayor of Severouralsk, Yuri Frolov, which is considered to be registered. The victims in this case, incidentally, were Chistyakova’s friend Roman Zhukov, who had already managed to serve time for fraud. At the last meeting of the Duma, Chistyakov gave the deputies a lecture on tolerance, saying that "Azerbaijani women are afraid to let their children go alone" because the conflict is so "bloated."

    The Azerbaijani community even arranged a gathering in the Sarvan cafe, but the gathering was dispersed by the bailiffs. The fact is that, by a court decision, both of these cafes - both Sarvan and Old Town - are to be closed for activities without an appropriate license, however, bailiffs still cannot close them for some reason.

    Now, after the high-profile incident in Biryulyovo, the local authorities and security forces are trying to do everything to prevent the conflict from turning into riots. However, according to the deputy Viktor Ilyin, it does not matter what nationality the criminals are. “The criminals have no nationality, so I would call the city organized criminal group IPG (international criminal group), which disturbs the peace of the townspeople and behaves defiantly. And the accusation of hatred sounds something like this: why does the deputy Ilyin tell the people what we are doing in the city ", - Ilyin writes on his website" City on Vagran "..."
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 30 October 2013 12: 09
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      Quote: New Russia
      "New USSR" Are you kidding me?)

      Good morning, warrior girl! In the morning and immediately into battle? smile
      Quote: New Russia
      But do we, all of you, need an alliance with the Asians ???

      You are sometimes emotional, but in your judgment there is a sober look at what is happening.
      Quote: New Russia
      Well, of course, we are just stupid and don’t understand that this is such a geopolitics!

      Well, we just understand. And those who are there, "at the top," also understand, but they, unlike us, have not feeble dividends from this in the form of banknotes.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 30 October 2013 12: 16
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        Quote: IRBIS
        Good morning, warrior girl! In the morning and immediately into battle?

        Hello) My morning came 5 hours ago)
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 30 October 2013 14: 21
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          Quote: New Russia
          My morning came 5 hours ago)

          Women always like to sleep. Have a nice day!
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 30 October 2013 22: 29
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            Thank you!) Well, I have to go to school without 15 8)
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 12
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          Quote: New Russia
          Quote: IRBIS
          Good morning, warrior girl! In the morning and immediately into battle?

          Hello) My morning came 5 hours ago)

          and why.... tongue
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 30 October 2013 22: 34
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            Because getting up early!)
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 30 October 2013 15: 06
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      Quote: New Russia
      Globalism, the power of the oligarchs, capitalism, is this our project?) The Kremlin even puts pressure on Belarus because of the Caucasian oligarch, because for him the CU is a way to capture countries by our oligarchs.


      That's why we are against the TS.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 30 October 2013 15: 17
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        We oppose the CU because there are one-sided concessions.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 30 October 2013 15: 16
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      Quote: New Russia
      were ready to destroy the Azerbaijani cafes and shops, just like in Biryulyovo ”

      but why destroy, they are popular after all ... wassat
    4. Avenger711
      Avenger711 30 October 2013 16: 11
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      Your nonsense sounds just like the liberal nonsense that the USSR was a means of occupation of all the republics included in it.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 30 October 2013 22: 33
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        Who is in power in the USSR? People. At least compared to the current situation. Who is in power now ??? Thieves and oligarchs. There is no ideology. On Russians abroad and inside the country, the government spits an article, right there about Uzbekistan read what is happening there with the Russians.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 30 October 2013 12: 31
    +2
    Author Anatoly Wasserman

    Wasserman is our "Special Forces in Politics"
    A person has the talent to explain very difficult things in a simple, accessible language ...
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 30 October 2013 13: 55
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      "A person has a talent for explaining very difficult things in a simple, accessible language ..."

      It's a pity I decided to apply my talent in political analytics. Perelman once wrote a wonderful book "Entertaining Physics" - here are the benefits of it more. I learned more from it than in the entire school course in physics and with much greater interest.
  • amp
    amp 30 October 2013 12: 51
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    This is beneficial to everyone except Russia.
    Integration with Belarus, Kazakhstan and part of Ukraine is still possible, but not with Central Asia and the Caucasus.

    To drive all these guest workers away, and the normal border with barbed wire with these countries.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 30 October 2013 13: 07
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      Quote: amp
      To drive all these guest workers away, and the normal border with barbed wire with these countries.

      NOT AT ALL ...
      Why would it in the IXX century, the Russian Empire over the decades, waged a series of bloody debilitating wars in the Caucasus and Central Asia?
      Simply, "nothing to do"? Not at all ...
      Geopolitics ,respected amp ,GEOPOLITICS.
      Leaving "the territories" is not at all impossible, "a holy place is never empty", "SOMETHING" and not necessarily NATO will immediately settle on the "vacated" space ...
      1. amp
        amp 30 October 2013 13: 11
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        In the 19th century, columns of Russian settlers followed the troops, and each family had 6-8 children.
        Now, on the contrary, crowds of settlers come here from there, who turn Russia into Central Asia and the Caucasus.


        Why all this geopolitics if we lose Russia?
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 30 October 2013 13: 56
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          I read at some of the Russian forums that the average Muslim Muscovite gives birth to 2 times more than the average Russian. And what will such mathematics lead to?
          1. T80UM1
            T80UM1 30 October 2013 14: 11
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            Of course, you will excuse me, but it all depends on the person and upbringing, if he is one egoist then he does not want children, that’s all.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 30 October 2013 16: 56
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            Quote: Walker1975
            more than average Russian. And what will such mathematics lead to?

            need to give birth more hi
        2. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 30 October 2013 13: 57
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          History has shown more than once how All "campaigns" to Russia end.
          Those who can change will become Russian in 2-3 generations. Those who cannot change will either go back or die out.
          I was driving somehow on a private trader, the driver, as usual (usually without quotation marks) is an Azerbaijani. He speaks Russian without accent (higher education in his words). So he complained to me that he began to think in Russian and concluded that it was time to return to his homeland, otherwise he would become Russian. And for the children he was worried that they would forget that Azerbaijanis. Of course, the case is still single, but indicative.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 30 October 2013 15: 05
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            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            History has shown more than once how All "campaigns" to Russia end.
            Those who can change will become Russian in 2-3 generations. Those who cannot change will either go back or die out.
            I was driving somehow on a private trader, the driver, as usual (usually without quotation marks) is an Azerbaijani. He speaks Russian without accent (higher education in his words). So he complained to me that he began to think in Russian and concluded that it was time to return to his homeland, otherwise he would become Russian. And for the children he was worried that they would forget that Azerbaijanis. Of course, the case is still single, but indicative.

            But there is such a topic, I used to think in Russian in my head, but the benefit was reformatted to Azerbaijani))) And so the situation in Biryulovo returned to the fold that small percentage that referred to itself as Russian, did not particularly advertise its origin. But the benefit in St. Petersburg has the opportunity to keep the child in the midst of us; here we have half a lyama, there is a Sunday school, our own dance groups. And the most interesting generation that was born and raised in St. Petersburg pay more attention to accent on education in education, i.e. that children are better first They knew their native language, enrolled everyone in dance groups, so that children were among their countrymen, more often they tried to send them to Baku.
        3. Avenger711
          Avenger711 30 October 2013 22: 12
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          The settlers? Don’t tell my slippers, Russian settlers in Uzbekistan reached out only under the Soviet power, even here in Tatarstan you can clearly distinguish Kazan with 52% of the Russian population, large Soviet-built cities with 40% + Russian population and old backwoods, where they live entirely Tatars.
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 30 October 2013 14: 19
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        Quote: Corsair
        NOT AT ALL ...
        Why would it in the IXX century, the Russian Empire over the decades, waged a series of bloody debilitating wars in the Caucasus and Central Asia?

        Imperial manners, and now, rightly, geopolitics. Well, why the hell did Russia need CA countries? The struggle of the interests of empires and the elimination of not very friendly rulers. As a result - your protectorate using the local nobility. And you want to see it now? To feed the bays and khans, protecting them with Russian bayonets?
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 30 October 2013 22: 15
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          No, there will be no khans just with the buoys. Having separated, they put themselves in such a position that they will not invest a dime in them until the Russian administration is established without national personnel.