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Turkish tender for ZRK extended

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According to Turkish media, the Department of Defense Industry (Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı - SSM) of the Turkish Ministry of Defense decided to extend the validity period of proposals for the tender of the Ministry of Defense for the purchase of medium-range and long-range air defense missile systems (Turkish Long Range Air And Missile Defense System). Thus, the decision taken by SSM 31 in September on the selection of the Chinese HQ-2014 air defense system, submitted to the competition by the Chinese foreign trade association China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corporation (CPMIEC), was actually disavowed and the tender was essentially restarted.


This decision was made under strong pressure from the United States and Turkey’s European NATO allies, who expressed their extreme displeasure with the choice of the Chinese system. The SSM letter sent to three companies participating in the tender informs about the extension of the competition and the possibility for participants to make new proposals. The participants of the extended tender, in addition to CPMIEC with the HQ-9 proposal, will again be the alliance of the American corporations Raytheon and Lockheed Martin with the Patriot air defense system (combination of PAC-2 GMT and PAC-3) and the European Eurosam consortium with SAMP / T air defense system (with Aster 30 Block 1). Rosoboronexport OJSC with the proposal of the Antey-300 C-2500ВМ AIRS will no longer participate in the tender.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told 27 in October that “the door remains open for American and European companies in the tender.” “Procurement is not yet a decided deal. If American and European companies offer the best conditions, we will continue to negotiate with them. We will consider everything to achieve our goal,” the minister said. "The Russian company just dropped out. The other two are still on the table. Co-production is mandatory. And we have concerns. Why should we avoid co-production?" - said Ahmet Davutoglu.

Turkish tender for ZRK extended

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  1. Vvs
    Vvs 29 October 2013 12: 06
    14
    Turks just bargain. Given the requirements for compatibility (air traffic information exchange, state radar recognition system), there was no real alternative to the Americans and Europeans from the very beginning. And the Chinese were left in the tender for a scarecrow and a tool to reduce prices.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 12
      +8
      Quote: V V S
      And the Chinese were left in the tender for a scarecrow and a tool to reduce prices

      In Turkey, it was important!

      1) Joint development and production! With technology transfer!
      2) Delivery time, Others are always late while never received anything from them
      2) Price
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 October 2013 13: 16
        +3
        "And we have a concern. Why should we andto avoid joint production? "- said Ahmet Davutoglu."

        Savsam Glupiy, huh? You must buy, not produce.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 28
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Savsam Glupiy, huh?


          Well, yes, we are barbarians smile

          Quote: Vladimirets
          You must buy, not produce.

          Enough is enough for us!
          And so they destroyed our defense industry in the 50's!
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 29 October 2013 14: 15
            +2
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Well, yes, we are barbarians

            Well, like us. smile
    2. Civil
      Civil 29 October 2013 13: 15
      0
      Our people were asked to exit ...
      1. alone
        alone 29 October 2013 19: 53
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Our people were asked to exit ...


        most likely they are not interested in the self-propelled gun itself, but in its joint production. Apparently the parties failed to agree on this. Here they are.
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 29 October 2013 13: 49
      +7
      No, the Turks do not just bargain.
      The roots of this generally lie deep.
      At first the Turks wanted in the EUVERY they wanted. And for the sake of this, they did everything, everything that the United Europe demanded.
      And the laws were rigged, etc. etc.
      And now they are not being taken to the EU (and at first I didn’t want to, I don’t know what they were fooled for, they could act from their territory when the Caucasus broke out in our country).
      But they hoped.
      Then I got a bunch of them there, the Turkish elite understands who arranged it for them.
      Then they were used for trafficking terrorists in Syria.
      In short, Europeans and Americans have always used them, but no preferences ...
      Even the joint production does not want to establish with them — take the finished goods — and none.
      So they got into a pose.
      99% that they were not going to take Chinese air defense systems.
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 29 October 2013 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: V V S
      from the very beginning there was no real alternative to the Americans and Europeans.

      Even the Turks had to show independence in decision-making when they were driven by their own allies.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 29 October 2013 12: 10
    +1
    Nate colleagues in the person of the Yankees killed the Turks? I wonder what threatened
    1. 0255
      0255 29 October 2013 14: 55
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      Nate colleagues in the person of the Yankees killed the Turks? I wonder what threatened

      Sanctions and bombing. What else could the Americans face?
  3. Nayhas
    Nayhas 29 October 2013 12: 16
    +2
    Which is to be expected. In theory, the Turks are professional traders ...
    1. Analyst
      Analyst 29 October 2013 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      Which is to be expected. In theory, the Turks are professional traders

      Aha !! building themselves a naive lamb will discount the price to the one that they have long conceived.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 43
        +4
        Quote: Analyst
        Aha !! building themselves a naive lamb will discount the price to the one that they have long conceived

        Everyone wants to buy cheap! ALWAYS!
  4. Lindon
    Lindon 29 October 2013 12: 23
    +3
    Co-production is mandatory.

    Share technology or don't mess with your air defense systems.
    Well done Turks - they want to get to the latest technology.
    1. avt
      avt 29 October 2013 13: 12
      +4
      Quote: Lindon
      Well done Turks - they want to get to the latest technology.

      As the practice of such tenders shows, "well done" will bring down the price a little and get a "Patriot". All this has already happened.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 30
        +2
        The main condition is Joint production and transfer of technology! Will they share? Hardly!
      2. alone
        alone 29 October 2013 19: 56
        +3
        I think the only one who will say "yes" to joint production is China. And they will not lose anything. The technology is yours, the Chinese air defense system is a copy of the S-300, the Chinese will sell your technology to the Turks, make money, the Turks will receive air defense systems and joint production, and Russia because of those who sold the s-300 to copiers, remained out of work. good ally.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 29 October 2013 22: 54
          0
          The technology is actually not only from C-300 but also from Patriot!
          According to some information, Israel helped!
  5. poccinin
    poccinin 29 October 2013 12: 36
    +2
    will buy a "Patriot" and the whole competition. It's clear to the hedgehog.
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 29 October 2013 12: 54
    +4
    Ours looked at this circus and sent the Turks nafig. Correctly done in general.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 18
      +5
      Nobody sent anyone, Russia did not want to share technology and offered the most expensive system!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 29 October 2013 13: 29
        0
        Is this Antey something dear ???? Isn't PAC-3 more expensive?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 36
          +3
          China -3.4
          Europe - 4.4
          USA-4.5
          Russia - 5 billion
          1. 0255
            0255 29 October 2013 15: 28
            +1
            Quote: ayyildiz
            China -3.4
            Europe - 4.4
            USA-4.5
            Russia - 5 billion

            And if the US supports Turkish rebels, declares Erdogan’s regime undemocratic? And they want to bomb him? Is there oil in Turkey? The presence of oil directly affects the decision of the US president to start a new small victorious war.
            If Obama recognizes Turkey as undemocratic (but oil-bearing!), Then the Americans will simply turn off Turkish air defense, as they like to do. What will happen next - let the Turks take an interest in Iraqis and Libyans. am
            Conclusion: it would be smarter for the Turks to pay $ 5 billion and buy C-300. C-300 USA will be harder to drown out. The damage from NATO bombing will in any case be more than 5 billion.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 29 October 2013 15: 43
              +2
              Quote: 0255
              it would be smarter for the Turks to pay $ 5 billion and buy C-300. C-300 USA will be harder to drown out. The damage from NATO bombing will in any case be more than 5 billion.

              Get smarter technology and produces it yourself! hi
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 29 October 2013 16: 51
              +1
              Quote: 0255
              Is there oil in Turkey?

              Is the USA short of oil?
              And Turkey is a member of NATO, moreover, the Americans simply will not understand
              1. 0255
                0255 29 October 2013 21: 58
                0
                Is the USA short of oil?

                they have oil, but that did not save Iraq and Libya from democracy
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 29 October 2013 18: 17
        +2
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Russia did not want to share technology and offered the most expensive system!

        and how many comments were written here about this ... and all in vain ..... wassat laughing
  7. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 29 October 2013 13: 04
    +5
    I wonder how it will all end. Knowing the Turks, I can assume that they will choose the best installation. (Naturally in their opinion)
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 29 October 2013 13: 20
      +2
      Knowing the Turks, I can assume that they will choose the best installation. (Naturally in their opinion)

      Or what Uncle SAM will offer? Offering with one hand, holding the next revolutionaries on the leashes in the other.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 29 October 2013 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        in the other holding the next revolutionaries on the leashes.

        they’ll propose something else .. revolution in Turkey will not work .. there the political system is different ... smile ..
    2. Guun
      Guun 29 October 2013 13: 25
      +1
      If the United States screamed in hysterics and tore hair in all places about the purchase of HQ 9 by the Turks, they pressed it as it should - and the patriots would buy the wolf and shish them with the best sight.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 39
        +1
        Quote: Guun
        and the will be bought by the patriots and shish them best zrk.

        No, they just said -We do not mind buying your Zrk but share technologies and reduce the price! And they will not share!
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: ramin_serg
      Knowing the Turks, I can assume that they will choose the best installation

      The best system for us is what we ourselves will produce! hi
      1. 0255
        0255 29 October 2013 15: 38
        0
        The best system for us is what we ourselves will produce!

        ... and even better - which will go to the Chinese for export recourse
  8. major071
    major071 29 October 2013 13: 31
    +5
    Which is to be expected. Well, the Americans will give the Turks a contract to conclude with the Chinese. These will not miss their. And big money is at stake. Intrigue Patriot allegedly on a won tender.
  9. Yeraz
    Yeraz 29 October 2013 13: 32
    +4
    If the purchase of Patriot will be subject to the conditions for the transfer of technology and production of a part of this system in Turkey, then the Turks have cunningly beat the Chinese card, and if they stupidly bought it, then they put pressure on them. We will wait.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 29 October 2013 13: 41
      +2
      They pressed, and in response, Turkey also pressed on the cunning!
  10. Kirzhak
    Kirzhak 29 October 2013 13: 49
    0
    It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Chinese. I don’t think that they will pass this tender without a fight.
    1. 0255
      0255 29 October 2013 15: 41
      0
      Quote: Kirzhak
      It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Chinese. I don’t think that they will pass this tender without a fight.

      and what will the Chinese do to the Turks? It is only NATO that can now bomb Turkey to an agreement.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 29 October 2013 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: Kirzhak
      It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Chinese.

      offer a couple of copies of the S-30 as a gift wassat
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 29 October 2013 23: 06
        +1
        According to cnnturk, 20 Chinese have arrived in Turkey to discuss the terms of the contract!
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 29 October 2013 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Kirzhak
      I don’t think that they will pass this tender without a fight.

      I don’t think that the Chinese are so naive as to believe in the decision of a NATO member to buy air defense from them, they just helped to squeeze the price and delivery conditions, in business if normal relations are such a technique is not uncommon, I use it sometimes wink
  11. Migari
    Migari 29 October 2013 14: 43
    0
    Turks traders are still those, and naturally they will take what is beneficial to them, wait and see.
  12. Migari
    Migari 29 October 2013 14: 43
    +1
    Turks traders are still those, and naturally they will take what is beneficial to them, wait and see.
  13. starhina01
    starhina01 29 October 2013 14: 50
    +1
    This decision was made under strong pressure from the United States and Turkey’s European NATO allies, laughing the bugs don’t want to take what they are given bully but they’ll have to get to where hi
  14. avg
    avg 29 October 2013 15: 20
    0
    [quote] What was the Russian reconnaissance aircraft doing on the Turkish border? ("Yeni Safak", Turkey) [/ quot
    So he is in the competition participated. angry The Russian team has been replaced. Instead of the participant of the S-300VM contest, the IL-20 enters the game, on the approach of the Tu-160.
  15. 2я19
    2я19 29 October 2013 17: 23
    +1
    Yankees are handsome! Turks decided what they can choose? Piss!
  16. Jarserge
    Jarserge 29 October 2013 17: 52
    0
    Once again, the Turks were shown who is the boss in the house and who should buy
  17. voliador
    voliador 29 October 2013 18: 51
    +1
    Sramers did not sour on the Turks. Although, I think that they were not going to take Chinese crafts from the very beginning.
  18. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 29 October 2013 19: 47
    0
    The Chinese were thrown ... Their reaction is interesting.
  19. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 29 October 2013 21: 37
    0
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    The Chinese were thrown ... Their reaction is interesting.

    It seems that the Turks are more overwhelmed.
    Once again, they’ll also hold a contest, and will generally be left without missiles.
    For such missiles are sold only to trustworthy countries.
    So those who want to have rockets need to lean against someone with all the servility: either to the amers, or to the Chinese, or to us.
    1. Jarserge
      Jarserge 29 October 2013 21: 47
      0
      So they have long leaned ..... to NATO i.e. to the Americans
  20. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 29 October 2013 21: 55
    0
    Quote: Jarserge
    So they have long leaned ..... to NATO i.e. to the Americans

    Americans thought so too ...
    I remember Maskhadov's words: "A Chechen can take money, but a Chechen cannot be bought."
    It seems that the Turks think the same.
    Or they don’t think at all ...
  21. scientist
    scientist 29 October 2013 23: 32
    0
    That's what I understand the pressure! And this is despite the Cypriot rake, which Turkey has already stepped on. It’s not like in the CSTO countries that they buy from Israel, Ukraine, France, and then I demand the creation of a single air defense with French radars, with Ukrainian air defense systems and aviation. A single information space with Sino-Belarusian automated control systems, French and Israeli communications. In general, complete nonsense. It is time for the CSTO as well as for NATO to restore order.