Weapon, starter or decorative object: a mysterious device from Germany

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The administration of the Military Review regularly receives letters from readers. Come suggestions, questions and requests for help. This time we were asked to help identify the purpose and model of a mysterious object. Unfortunately, information on this subject is extremely scarce and most of it is based only on an external examination. Therefore, the task of identifying an object is difficult.

It is known that the object was brought several decades ago from Germany, after which for a long time it was idle and did not attract attention. Only a few years ago, the owners of the mysterious object became interested in its origin, but could not find the necessary information. All available information was described by a short phrase: “the item was found in a pile of scrap metal,” and the person who found it died and therefore cannot help in the search for information. The current owners of the object attempted to establish its origin with the help of German specialists. However, sending letters to several major museums in Germany also did not give any results.

Weapon, starter or decorative object: a mysterious device from Germany



Greater help in determining the origin of the device could have inscriptions stamped on it. One of the parts has the following stamps: Bosch, Germany Imported D'Allemagne and WD Rotodyn. It is worth noting that such an inscription only confuses traces. The fact is that under the brand name Rotodyn, Bosch had previously produced generators for bicycles. On the one hand, this fact complicates the search, but on the other hand, there is a reason to consider the unit, on which the inscription is stamped, as a compact electric generator. This assumption, in turn, allows further searches.

The total length of the mysterious object is approximately equal to 60 cm, and it weighs about 10 kilograms. A quick inspection suggests that the object has something to do with the rifle arms and probably represents some kind of original system of this class. However, it combines several features that can hardly be found in other weapons systems. The basis of the object can be considered a relatively large cone-shaped part, which can be considered the trunk. The rifled barrel is connected with a kind of breech with a bolt. The latter, when unlocked, is retracted to the left. For locking using the original lock, consisting of a clamp, spring and screw. On the shutter unit is also located a device that can be considered a trigger mechanism.





As can be seen in the existing photographs of the mysterious object, firing (if it was envisaged at all) is possible only with single shots. After each shot, you need to remove the liner and charge the new cartridge, and then cock the firing mechanism. An interesting and unusual feature of the object is ammunition. In the existing copy, apparently, it was supposed to use the cartridge 7,62х51 mm NATO. However, this munition was created only in the late forties, and an unusual weapon looks as if it was created in the first decades of the last century. However, this discrepancy can be explained by the fact that “complete” with a mysterious object was a sleeve that allows you to charge the cartridge 7,62x51 mm into the existing barrel. It is possible that this item was made much later than the weapon itself. Probably, someone conducted experiments and tried to adapt the old development for a relatively new cartridge. Unfortunately, there is no information about these attempts either.

The cartridge itself also raises questions. Together with the object was discovered the original ammunition, assembled from metal and plastic parts. Only the bottom and the end of the sleeve are made of metal. Its main part is made of plastic. In addition, there is a kind of bullet in the cartridge case, also made of plastic. The reasons for this performance of the cartridge are not completely clear, but the use of plastic may hint at the purpose of the entire system. It is possible that the object was not intended for firing live ammunition.






The barrel of the proposed rifle system is equipped with some kind of unit that can be considered a muzzle brake. It is a cylinder with a large number of oblong slots. An interesting feature of the muzzle brake is its mount. A characteristic ball bearing separator is visible between the sleeve on the barrel and the brake cylinder. Probably, the muzzle brake (if the purpose of this part is determined correctly) should have rotated.

Finally, on the breech of the object are some interesting details that complement its overall appearance. So, in the lower part there is a mount for mounting on a dovetail bar. On the sides of the breech are screws, probably designed to control the various parameters of the instrument. In addition, the breech of the object is equipped with a flap, consisting of three parts. The shield is probably one of the most prominent parts of the device. The fact is that on the side segments of the shield are oak leaves, and on the central - an anchor and a locomotive.

Directly in front of the shield is a cylindrical unit with embossed inscriptions Bosch, Germany Imported Dallemagne and WD Rotodyn. It should be noted that the assumption of the use of an electric generator is not confirmed by the presence of any wiring. The wires may have been lost, which is why by now only metal parts of sufficient rigidity and strength are present in the construction of the object. The top side of the generator is decorated with a relief lion face.








It is also worth noting that the engraving is available on the shutter. Such a “decoration” of the device raises big questions. The fact is that such decoration of armaments or any other systems is peculiar to the past centuries, but not to the first decades of the 20th century, i.e. the estimated creation time of the mysterious object. Two conclusions can be drawn from this: either an unusual weapon was created earlier than intended, or it was intended for certain purposes for which an appropriate appearance is required. Confirmation of the second version can serve as a locomotive, depicted on the dashboard. Its appearance allows us to roughly assume the time at which the decorative elements were made.

To determine the purpose of an unusual device, one should pay attention to several characteristic features. So, the sleeve for the NATO NATO 7,62x51 mm looks like it was made much later than the object itself. From this it follows that it was originally intended to use another ammunition. The second interesting feature of the object is a relatively weak stem locking system. It turns out that initially it was planned to use only blank ammunition, and this allows us to make assumptions about the purpose of the device. Finally, decorative elements that do not carry any practical sense are the last characteristic feature of a mysterious object.







From these features follow several versions of the purpose and method of application. The blank cartridge allows you to abandon the version of the use of the system as a small arms. At the same time, it could be used as a throwing, signaling or any auxiliary equipment. For example, images of an anchor and a steam locomotive suggest that the device is related to ship or railway steam engines. In this case, the object could be used as a starter, and the blank cartridge created the necessary pressure in the system. However, this version is not confirmed as a weak locking system of the barrel, and the similarity of the muzzle brake.

A large number of decorative elements can be considered evidence that the object was used as a signal tool on a ship or even a high-ranking yacht. Such an assumption allows us to put together the facts concerning the use of blank ammunition, as well as the presence of decorative "excesses". In addition, the signal use of such a system is indirectly confirmed by a strange unit, resembling a muzzle brake. It is impossible to speak with confidence about this without having the results of relevant tests, but a slotted cylinder mounted on a bearing can increase the loudness of the shot, which is necessary for the effective operation of the signal tool.







Probably, all the versions proposed above may not correspond to reality, since they do not explain the presence of the electric generator of the WD Rotodyn system. Moreover, all existing versions of the origin and purpose of the device have a common drawback: they do not allow to put together all the main features and explain their purpose. Because of this, for example, there are grounds to say that during the use the mysterious object was reworked and the sleeve, providing the use of a relatively new cartridge, is not the only innovation in the design. Finally, it cannot be excluded that the device was assembled from parts of different units for decorative purposes, and its practical use was not planned at all.

As we see, the available amount of information allows only to make assumptions about the purpose of both individual components and the object as a whole. Therefore, we invite readers to join the discussion of the artifact and try to establish the truth. Perhaps it is a broad discussion that will allow to answer the question: what was found in Germany many years ago?







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  1. 0
    29 October 2013 08: 57
    Something this unit resembles a weapon for throwing "Greek fire" (a flamethrower from the times of the Byzantine Empire), but then it is not clear why there is a spike.
    1. +8
      29 October 2013 09: 23
      Quote: T-130
      but then it’s not clear why there is a briar.

      The author rests on the version of the weapon. But for the weapon there are a lot of unnecessary details. And most importantly, the bearing. The usual rolling bearing is open. At least it’s difficult to determine something from the photo. Keep it in your hands, take it apart, then thoughts may appear.
    2. +8
      29 October 2013 11: 05
      Salute in some admiral's boat ..
      1. +1
        29 October 2013 13: 01
        Redone by artisans
    3. +17
      29 October 2013 11: 58
      Call to the Academy of Sciences:

      - I found a meteorite
      - What does it look like, what shape?
      - He is big and heavy. He has a round shape
      “Maybe this is not a meteorite if it is round?”
      - Yes, I definitely say! Meteorite! Just do not understand why it says 32 kg?

      laughing
    4. +1
      29 October 2013 13: 34
      Good hour, I read many posts on this topic.
      Firstly, a really very interesting topic is to drive in, what kind of unit it is!
      I think that this is most likely some kind of burner.
      Perhaps with ignition from the cartridge.
      It does not look like a one-time flamethrower (they had such at the end of the war).
      Maybe a burner to warm something ...
      No, obviously, a hose with a clamp was put on behind.
      I doubt that there was a cartridge there at all, which is mistaken for the high part of the atomizer.
    5. coast
      +1
      29 October 2013 18: 24
      sling gun
    6. Alex toll
      0
      22 November 2013 16: 22
      Read the BOTTOM MESSAGE, THE LAST - IF THIS IS THAT WEAPONS IS THIS WELCOME OF RUSSIA - ATTENTION !!!! LINKS ARE READED FOR READING
  2. Volodya Sibiryak
    +4
    29 October 2013 09: 04
    Gravitsap for Schauberger engine? The first thing that came to mind was the ignition distributor.
    1. +12
      29 October 2013 12: 14
      No not gravitsap am

      "Well, gravitsappa is something without which a pepelats can only fly like this. And with gravitsappa - to any point in the Universe - fucking! - in five seconds."

      What, the tranculator did not recognize good
      1. +10
        29 October 2013 12: 34
        What, the tranculator did not recognize

        Yeah, a shortened model. For special forces.
      2. +3
        29 October 2013 12: 47
        No not gravitsap

        Spare part from the chassis of the papelats good
      3. Ptah
        +7
        29 October 2013 13: 14
        Quote: AlNick
        didn’t recognize the tranculator

        No, we know the tranculator. He is like that
        1

        And this is a pumped easel model -
        ц

        Here is a detail from him.
    2. +4
      29 October 2013 13: 53
      Of course a gravitsap. That is, all the parameters of this thing entirely fit into the parameters of the toy. Most of all, it looks exactly like a toy for a highborn child. A blank cartridge, loading one at a time, everything is extremely complicated so that it clangs beautifully, slaps, spins and spins. Ample decorations, deliberately serious and numerous inscriptions with obviously not serial form ... The muzzle brake on the bearing will spin so cool, with a buzzing ... wow!
  3. +3
    29 October 2013 09: 05
    Most likely just a signal device.
    1. +1
      29 October 2013 09: 39
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Most likely just a signal device.


      Interesting idea what
  4. +2
    29 October 2013 09: 09
    Maybe someone’s pampering? Doubtfully practical application.
    1. 0
      30 October 2013 00: 27
      ordinary artifact collected from scrap metal in the form of firearms, for those who had a lot of free time))) do not rack your brains!
  5. +4
    29 October 2013 09: 37
    Harpoonomet.
    1. +2
      29 October 2013 10: 07
      Evgeny_Lev "Harpoon launcher."
      What a harpoon-gun there is a blaster!
      1. ICT
        +5
        29 October 2013 12: 11
        quote:IF YOU SHOULD THINK THAT THIS RADIANT IS NOT A TRUMP SWITCH, THIS WILL BE THE LAST THOUGHT IN YOUR CHATLAN BASK!

        lol
        (I'll see more in the evening)
    2. +3
      29 October 2013 14: 20
      rather, the lineman then
      1. +1
        29 October 2013 17: 36
        Quote: fennekRUS
        rather, the lineman then

        Also during the course of reading such an idea appeared. There is a semblance of a gun, all the more decorated with lion muzzles, ancient guns often seem to be decorated with them. The thing is apparently marine, located on the upper deck, because bronze (you can always make a sailor n - shout it), does not rust and with feldipers for beauty. Could it really be for feeding a rope or a line to a distance? what
  6. +1
    29 October 2013 09: 40
    strange decorations, anchor, steam train, oak leaves! amazing thing! intrigued, maybe someone really knows!
    it seems to me that the signal device with the function of a shot and a beep
  7. vkrav
    +15
    29 October 2013 09: 41
    Ignition for a furnace on fuel oil - mb steam boiler?
    1. +3
      29 October 2013 09: 58
      Also inclined to such a device. And the boilers were on steam locomotives and on ships.
    2. +2
      29 October 2013 10: 09
      I am for this version or for a signal device, an anchor and a steam train I think this is confirmed, but the principle of operation, the bearing is embarrassing ....
      1. +2
        29 October 2013 14: 01
        It is unlikely that a device for igniting a firebox would be covered with so many decorations. This thing stood outside and in a conspicuous place.
        1. shpuntik
          +2
          29 October 2013 18: 35
          Metlik RU Today, 14:01 ↑
          It is unlikely that a device for igniting a firebox would be covered with so many decorations. This thing stood outside and in a conspicuous place.

          Then it was cool. Lion head, oak leaves is family smile .
          I agree with the vkrav + ahead of lol , looks like a ignition nozzle. For example, kerosene is poured into the upper cylinder. A capsule is placed in the shutter. The "muzzle brake" rotates on a bearing, sprays burning kerosene over the firebox, then the main (rotary) nozzle is switched on, for heavier fuel (fuel oil, oil).
          1. 0
            29 October 2013 18: 48
            There, on the shield with leaves, two rounded pins protrude forward. The Germans used such to put on a canvas cover. The same on the Ural motorcycle. So this killer was sticking out anyway.
            1. shpuntik
              +1
              29 October 2013 20: 20
              Metlik RU Today, 18:48 PM ↑ New
              So this killer was sticking out anyway.

              I examined it more closely, rather yes, I stood upright.
              The Ukrainians have found, they refuse gas. They write: "... the request of the Russians for translation is not satisfied. Let them learn MOV!" fellow Google translator saved Yes
              http://www.museum-ukraine.org.ua/?go=News&in=view&id=9263
    3. PiP
      +2
      29 October 2013 13: 58
      Yes, it is very similar to a powder igniter (ignition) of the engine.
    4. Kagor
      0
      29 October 2013 22: 44
      They are set on fire by torches.
  8. DuraLexSedLex.
    0
    29 October 2013 09: 50
    Or maybe the starter))) But then for what?))) With the permission of the author, I will borrow photos and ask my friends ... yes, the photo is hard to see, but it seems to me that it has details that appeared later ... this is an assumption) )))
  9. +1
    29 October 2013 10: 03
    Quote: vkrav
    Ignition for a furnace on fuel oil - mb steam boiler?

    Quote: Wedmak
    Also inclined to such a device. And the boilers were on steam locomotives and on ships.

    I, too, had this idea first, it beats especially persistently due to the weakness of the structure and the pronounced slit of the "knob". The analogy with the fuse for the BDSH is still rushing), especially remembering the fashion at that time for flamethrowers.
  10. +2
    29 October 2013 10: 05
    It looks like a gas lamp.
  11. +3
    29 October 2013 10: 11
    An interesting thing, I am also inclined that this is the ignition for the furnace on fuel oil - mb steam boiler. As a weapon, this device is too sophisticated.
  12. +2
    29 October 2013 10: 13
    Quote: report4
    It looks like a gas lamp.

    Perhaps not a flashlight, but a burner with ignition from a cartridge? It is unclear the termination of the vernier plugs-torsion bars in the central part - control valves?
    1. 0
      29 October 2013 10: 24
      Quote: Earnest
      Quote: report4
      It looks like a gas lamp.

      Perhaps not a flashlight, but a burner with ignition from a cartridge? It is unclear the termination of the vernier plugs-torsion bars in the central part - control valves?

      It is doubtful that there was a cartridge. Rather, the connection of a hose or an electric candle.
      At the expense of krutilok, etc., some kind of evaporated combustible liquid could well serve as fuel.

      Why think of a lantern?
      1. There are decorative elements (marine),
      2. Boshevtsy made lanterns at that time.

      Mb some ship lantern on fuel oil.

      PSTS-su can advise you to contact the Boshevians themselves.
      1. Jin
        0
        29 October 2013 16: 34
        Quote: report4
        Why think of a lantern?


        Especially not a pocket one !!! Weight "only" 10 kg laughing
  13. gameover65
    +6
    29 October 2013 10: 29
    bulbator
    1. Kagor
      0
      29 October 2013 22: 47
      Separator!
  14. +2
    29 October 2013 10: 32
    I think this is a launcher for an airplane engine!
    1. Kagor
      +1
      29 October 2013 22: 51
      It seems to me that this is the most probable version - on some piston airplanes powder cartridges are used now as an emergency tool.
  15. Sirozha
    +3
    29 October 2013 10: 34
    "Cannon" for transferring the rope from one watercraft to another ... But why a DTK with a bearing and a generator? ... Hmm! An interesting thing, such a contraption with a bunch of unnecessary gadgets in the style of STIMPANK, they also love this! Maybe STAMPUNKI cosplayers of the early twentieth century really))
    1. 0
      29 October 2013 11: 23
      Well, we can assume that the DTC is functionally combined with a cable reel. But the generator ???
      Maybe in order to transmit electricity through a shot cable (which, being on the drum, spins the generator)? o_o i.e. In fact, is this the first EMP gun? or a shocker?
    2. Kagor
      0
      29 October 2013 22: 53
      It will be small and why, then the compensator-flame damper?
  16. Shatelxx
    +3
    29 October 2013 10: 42
    Steampunk gun, assembled from the available parts, purely for decorative purposes))
  17. tooth46
    +4
    29 October 2013 10: 49
    This is a device for igniting combustible mixtures in some volumetric furnaces such as ship gas turbine ones.
  18. +2
    29 October 2013 11: 00
    Similar topics on this unit have already been held a couple of years ago on the Hansa:
    http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/36/820601.html.
    Copy paste is on Popgan and Hansa. Olzip: http://guns.allzip.org/topic/36/820601.html, http://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?f=149&t=397529
  19. +1
    29 October 2013 11: 21
    I think this device is a flashlight. It was attached to the periscope or snorkel of the submarine, and served to signal to its ship, in conditions when the batteries are completely discharged. A small generator with a screwed impeller could be useful just to a submarine if the engine or the main generator is damaged.
    Probably, there are not enough details with which the burner spins the generator.
    1. shpuntik
      0
      29 October 2013 20: 05
      Lieutenant colonel
      Metlik RU Today, 11:21 AM
      I think this device is a flashlight. It was attached to the periscope or snorkel of the submarine, and served to signal to its ship, in conditions when the batteries are completely discharged.

      If the "pipelac" was fastened vertically, then it could very well be. As for firing, the bolt cover does not carry a load, two flaps hold the load, and there is a firing pin in them.
      The flame distributor spins up from the energy of the shot (idle? Or is there no difference?)
      On the other hand: the supply of combustible mixture is small, airtight. Most likely this is an emergency device.
      Then it becomes clear the hole in the lid, opposite the loop-visible serves to supply air.
      Well, then the bosses are involved, you can cover the breech with tarpaulin.
      Probably, there are not enough details with which the burner spins the generator.

      Well, here is unlikely. Then like this: wink
      In general, this is a product of gas war, along the way laughing , from here legs grow, Western Ukraine:
      http://www.museum-ukraine.org.ua/?go=News&in=view&id=9263
  20. +1
    29 October 2013 11: 43
    All versions are broken on a rifled barrel. Why rifled for a blank cartridge, for the signaling, for the starter? as for me, it’s like samopal, which we made in childhood and not from such pieces of iron
    1. vkrav
      +1
      29 October 2013 12: 05
      A rotating torch - fuel oil foams, or something, or a spray cloud forms, which ignites - "DTK" is on the bearing ... Or just a defective barrel from a rifle is used. The device itself is fixed in the technological hole of the boiler and is clearly covered with carbon
    2. 0
      29 October 2013 16: 20
      Very similar to a samopal. Produced by a handicraftman from some antique piece or device on occasion.
      From that and the insert under the NATO cartridge. Perhaps it was once a lantern or a generator, or set on fire for something. But some folk sage was clearly trying to turn him into a homemade gun under the NATO patron.
  21. +1
    29 October 2013 11: 55
    can some homemade thing? A man was collecting from improvised means, therefore both anchors with steam locomotives, and a bearing)

    Although the parts are too high-quality for the home-made
    1. +1
      29 October 2013 12: 07
      but, again, there may be a quality homemade - because Fritz did. They are pedantic and neat :)
  22. +11
    29 October 2013 12: 03
    This is how the Gloomy Teutonic Genius seems to be behind a drawing, who knows what with the thought: "Oh, I-I, their bin will break your brain, mein liber descendants" laughing
  23. +4
    29 October 2013 12: 24
    still, these dirty Germans are the Germans. They will construct that, and now we’ll break our heads wassat
  24. Afanasevich
    0
    29 October 2013 12: 29
    "If you think this damn thing isn't a tranclucator, that will be the last thought in your Chatlan head!" (see "Kin-dza-dza!" A short patsako-chatlan dictionary).
  25. +3
    29 October 2013 12: 39
    Very similar to the creation in the style of steampunk - http://darisa.ru/archives/3518
    similar equipment ..
  26. +2
    29 October 2013 12: 46
    Something like a nozzle. Or a starter part.
  27. Volkhov
    +1
    29 October 2013 12: 53
    From the point of view of a crazy science fiction writer, this is an oil ejector nozzle for any boiler - steam or air is supplied through a barrel with a cap nut, oil or fuel oil from the rear through a fitting, on the side there are carburetor type ejector adjustment screws. A rotating tip provides a spread of the fuel torch, the bearing is lubricated with fuel oil.
    Well, or the gloomy Teutonic genius created a miracle that was understandable only to him, but by no means to advanced contemporaries with the Unified State Exam, MBA and magistracy.
    A wonderful brain test.
    1. Volkhov
      +2
      29 October 2013 13: 28
      Fuel through the barrel of the filter, steam behind - at first mistaken.
  28. +8
    29 October 2013 13: 00
    I can’t figure it out without a bubble, I’ll buy a couple of liters drinks I just can’t write laughing and in the morning I will forget laughing
  29. +3
    29 October 2013 13: 01
    The lion bothers me ... Etozh seems to be a sign of England (like a locomotive), the anchor is similar to Soviet symbols, oak leaves, then Germany.


    Do steampunk know what? So for me it is artpekal for fans of steampunk, assembled from the real details of different eras, and for different purposes. They threw it out as unnecessary (interest disappeared) and now we are tearing the Muscovite apart)))
  30. +1
    29 October 2013 13: 08
    ТIt is also worth noting that engraving is also on the shutter. This kind of "decoration" of the device raises big questions. The fact is that such an adornment of weapons or any other systems is characteristic of past centuries, but not the first decades of the XNUMXth century, i.e. Estimated time to create the mysterious object. Two conclusions can be drawn from this: either an unusual weapon was created earlier than anticipated, or it was intended for certain purposes for which an appropriate appearance is required. The second version can be confirmed by the steam locomotive depicted on the shield. Its appearance suggests roughly the time at which the decorative elements were made.

    And where is it written that they are Germans, and why not Russians, who created something, and sold (for lack of prophets in their own country) without a description. The decoration of this exhibit looks in favor of this version. Germanic letters - the use of foreign components (especially readable - export)
  31. +6
    29 October 2013 13: 10
    Some German took some parts from different devices and different times at a scrap metal dump, and riveted something that he himself did not understand. And then threw it back. Now, in the next world, he is probably laughing at our thoughts and statements.
  32. +5
    29 October 2013 13: 27
    Oh, nothing in a hurry to publish this material! Nadot was to sell HIS to the Chinese spies as know-how! And about three months later when IT appears in stores, we would definitely know what IT is. fellow
  33. +2
    29 October 2013 13: 50
    The sophisticated genius of engineer Garin is felt.
  34. 0
    29 October 2013 13: 59
    intrigued. read all the comments, hoping that at least someone knows for sure what it is. but no request , it's a pity.
  35. +3
    29 October 2013 14: 00
    Perhaps this is a variant of the ballistic barrel to determine such intraballistic characteristics as muzzle velocity and pressure. There is a barrel, a firing device, a seat for attaching points. trunk to the machine. The "generator" is possibly a crusher device for determining the pressure, the details on the sides of the barrel resemble pads for fixing the start of determining the speed of the bullet, the shields, in addition to the decorative function, could play the role of protecting the shooter's hand. Maybe!
  36. makarov
    -1
    29 October 2013 14: 13
    Quote: zub46
    This is a device for igniting combustible mixtures in some volumetric furnaces such as ship gas turbine ones.


    Very similar to the trampler, - a mechanical high-voltage current distributor for spark plugs, only with an incomprehensible alteration by a certain craftsman
  37. +1
    29 October 2013 14: 32
    piece of iron all 100 years old and we can’t even understand what it is!
    What will happen in 200, or 500 years ???
    there will be huge museums filled with incomprehensible what
    or there will be a sign on the exhibit with several options for the purpose of each instance
  38. +1
    29 October 2013 14: 38
    - Yes, this is a diesel engine of pure water! Some fan made it ... a kind of artifact!
  39. makarov
    +1
    29 October 2013 15: 14
    Judging by the decorative finishes and pretentiousness, I assume that this is a steam whistle of a locomobile.
  40. +3
    29 October 2013 15: 20
    This is a stupid lighter only for steam boilers. no blaster no dildo no olympic faken
    1. vober
      +1
      29 October 2013 16: 54
      I got the same idea that this is a coal-firing system for steam locomotives or ship boilers. Hence the image of the engine and the anchor.
      1. 0
        29 October 2013 19: 14
        - Lions too ... that ... will we kindle? wassat
  41. +2
    29 October 2013 15: 30
    Isn’t it easier to contact Bosch itself !? The Germans are pedants. The old product documentation is unlikely to be destroyed. Somewhere in the basements store!
    Maybe they want to buy!
  42. Marek Rozny
    +7
    29 October 2013 15: 43
    Everything was simpler:

    - Vati! Vati, ik will ein neues Spielzeug!
    - Hau ab ... Ich bin einfach Schlosser. Ik hab 'kein Geld fuer es. Nur fuer eine Tasse Bier.
    - Vaaaati! Ik wuensche Sternblaster! Mach 'es, biiiitte ...
    - Der Teifel soll dich holen ... Na, gut ... Wo ist dein altes Fahrrad?

    - Dad, I want a toy!
    - Fuck off. I am a simple locksmith, I have no extra money. Except for a beer.
    - Dad, I want a blaster, well, do it, please!
    - Damn thee ... Where is your old grand? I'll blaster you a blaster ...
  43. -2
    29 October 2013 15: 44
    YES HERE "BANNIK" SHOW - WILL ANNOUNCE WEEK
  44. +5
    29 October 2013 15: 49
    What is good for a German, then to us ... and it’s not clear !!
  45. +2
    29 October 2013 15: 54
    What to guess, right now I will give a request to Bosch, let them puzzle that they have done such a thing.
  46. kaktus
    0
    29 October 2013 15: 56
    maybe aliens ... wassat
    1. fedorru
      +6
      30 October 2013 00: 17
      It is necessary to send to Ren-tv to Prokopenko, he will definitely say that an unknown contraption was found, which was transferred to the Germans, who arrived on the ground by aliens. This contraption was the main part of the flying saucer.
      Well, or ask Anna Chapman. She certainly will reveal all the secrets.
  47. makarov
    0
    29 October 2013 16: 03
    And the last option!

    Device for warming up and launching torpedoes. The triggering occurs simultaneously in two parallel cycles, igniting a shot of kerosene vapor, and the simultaneous "spitting out" of the torpedo.
    1. +1
      29 October 2013 17: 13
      idiots need to be stupidly ignored
  48. +1
    29 October 2013 16: 13
    This is some kind of joke. Collected with the goal of making money on an artifact. Advertised on forums and more expensive. The question is price. How much is?
  49. 0
    29 October 2013 16: 36
    This is a starter for diesel engines or igniting steam engines.
    Now stationary large diesel engines are sometimes fired with a squib, and then -
    looks like such a "pistol".
  50. +6
    29 October 2013 16: 44
    Guys, don’t ask Bosch. The three Germans remaining there, having seen the bearing, directly welded to the muzzle brake for the cage, will slacken with heart attacks. Because so any bearing is skewed ... twists shorter. You can use it with grinding mixture, but the Germans do nothing like that, the culture is not the same. The Turks and Arabs, who make up the vast majority of Bosch now, will not understand the request under any circumstances. Not that culture again.
    The toy is ...
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  53. Grisha91
    +2
    29 October 2013 16: 55
    This is a continuum transfunctioner. The Continuum Transfunctioner is a very powerful and mysterious item. And only its mystery is equal to its power! © k\f "Where's my car, dude?"
  54. -6
    29 October 2013 17: 22
    IF YOU HON'BLE SIRS haven't figured it out smile then I’ll copy your nicknames and argue with yourself about weapons (there are no such emoticons here)
    hey, there are adults and adequate people here.........because it translates to fraying pimples AH! Mlyn ADMIN WHAT FOR WHAT
  55. netMolotov
    +2
    29 October 2013 17: 41
    Here you are, giggling little bastards, but you don’t know how to keep state secrets! The professor has already copied everything and tomorrow this super weapon will be adopted by the IDF. And now even an atomic bomb won’t take Merkava!
  56. Pupil
    +3
    29 October 2013 17: 48
    Sounds like a horn + safety valve. Or just a beep. Look closely for signs of rust.
    1. -10
      29 October 2013 18: 05
      check your horn too, seasoned padawan, may the CHLORINE be with you
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  58. Aydar
    +1
    29 October 2013 18: 28
    This is a shotgun from the game Bioshock, the way Big Daddy killed his enemies.
  59. +1
    29 October 2013 18: 33
    Okay, I understand what it is. This is a diesel burner. It burns very poorly in the cold, but there is a lot of it on the submarine. The cartridge set fire to diesel fuel. In front there is not a muffler, but a device for burning diesel fuel. And the generator is actually an electric motor, it rotated this crap with holes so that the diesel fuel would burn better. There was probably a pump between them that pumped diesel fuel. Or maybe they were just soaking a rag. It is very difficult to keep a watch in cold latitudes - so the Germans figured out how to warm up.
    1. Kagor
      +1
      29 October 2013 23: 10
      What are you saying? Open fire on a submarine! There are electric heating pads for this.
      1. 0
        30 October 2013 11: 05
        Questions to the author:
        Is the casing at the end of the muzzle removable and can you put the wick inside it?
        Is there a generator on top or could it be an electric motor?
  60. +1
    29 October 2013 19: 18
    I've seen a lot of pieces of iron in my time. This Shelezyak does not give the impression of integrity, maybe simply restored using available components, but ...
    So I support
    Quote: Ryabov Kirill
    It cannot be ruled out that the device was assembled from parts of various units

    At one time I was using a Singer sewing machine, it was completely surreal, but it worked!
    drinks
  61. Lime
    +2
    29 October 2013 19: 42
    This is a balloon burner, ignited by a blank cartridge.
  62. +10
    29 October 2013 19: 45
    Good evening everyone. In my opinion this mechanism is an antique rivet gun or dowel gun.
    The article briefly mentioned a cartridge with either a plastic bullet or a wad. Why not assume that first a dowel-nail or rivet was inserted into the breech, and then a cartridge, and then a classic shot followed. This version is also supported by the full-fledged breech of the device . A rivet or dowel-nail pierced the material that was being stitched, and the “nozzle”, under the influence of powder gases, rolled the rivet. The remaining gases came out through the holes in the muzzle brake. And the locomotive and the anchor spoke about the scope of application - there was no welding yet. So they riveted steam locomotives steamers with this tool
    1. +8
      29 October 2013 23: 53
      Dear Paramon1979, in my opinion, you are closest to the truth. Initially, it was a riveting “gun” used in the manufacture of pressure vessels, boilers, receivers, but there was no need to punch, the holes were already made, aligned and reinforced, you just needed to seat the rivet with with a given tension and from a certain material, perhaps at a certain angle, hence a bunch of all sorts of screws (the work is almost jewelry). Most likely these vessels were copper, respectively, the rivets were bronze, and what other “dowel” will fit along the rifling in a bronze barrel? I saw something similar in as a child in Transbaikalia in the trackman's shed, it was only larger, made of iron and with a C-shaped frame. It was intended for repairing rail joints, and at that time (late 60s) it was practically not used. Moreover, the device knocked out a loose rivet with a second shot (after appropriate processing of the hole , hammered in a new one). Now about what the device is, in the form in which it was photographed. “The muzzle brake,” rotating, was installed later (the very presence of a rolling bearing) in makeshift conditions (welding on the outer ring) and is probably a part another device. Obviously, this is a pyrostarter of a rotary nozzle, but not a fuel oil one (to ignite the fuel oil, it must be heated to a temperature of at least +85 or more, depending on the brand, and if there is an energy reserve for heating, then there is a more reliable and optimal way for ignition than “explosion.”) and not the boiler, since before starting it is necessary to blow the furnace with air in a volume no less than the volume of the firebox multiplied by three. And if there is an energy reserve for purging... There remain boilers with natural ventilation of the firebox (heating engineering refers to such units to the furnace class). Obviously an ancient coal-fired unit (some kind of boiler room, in a factory or military camp???) hot water, converted to diesel fuel, operating in a continuous cycle and not requiring any energy reserve.
      1. 0
        30 October 2013 00: 04
        I apologize to those reading, it just so happened that I started writing at 20:00, my work was interrupted, I finished almost at midnight, don’t take it as plagiarism.
  63. +1
    29 October 2013 19: 49
    Registered for this article. If it's not a mule, try shooting it underwater.
  64. ICT
    +3
    29 October 2013 20: 04
    It’s hard to guess, you have to bang at least once.

    , but I agree with the two versions put forward above, or some kind of signaling device,
    or an ignition device for, say, oil-fired boilers

    p.s. Yes, if it weren’t for the rotating “muzzle brake” and “generator”, this device is very similar to a construction gun for dowels (and a guard would be out of place there), but again, you have to twist it in your hands, and again, it wouldn’t be bad to bang
  65. +2
    29 October 2013 20: 10
    Some kind of arson... If not a movie prop at all.

    PS. This is a Rammstein pipe!!! laughing
  66. +1
    29 October 2013 20: 18
    My guess: a conical barrel to reduce pressure as the projectile (bullet) moves, a rotating nozzle based on the principle of a centrifugal pump, reduces the resistance of the projectile when moving in liquid and eliminates gas problems when exiting the barrel, possibly when the projectile leaves the barrel, helps create a cavity, as in "squall", dovetail for attaching to a weapon. ))))
  67. 0
    29 October 2013 20: 20
    Material similar to copper alloy to reduce corrosion
    1. +1
      29 October 2013 20: 49
      I think this thing has nothing to do with weapons. the obligatory forend and stock are missing. but holding 10 kg in weight and also aiming something is quite difficult without a butt and forearm
  68. +1
    29 October 2013 20: 35
    Although there is a second opinion, expressed earlier, it’s just an air siren. )))
  69. 0
    29 October 2013 20: 55
    It's very simple, it's a mounting gun for driving dowels!
  70. Dmitriy1975
    +11
    29 October 2013 21: 29
    Seriously, this is part of a rivet gun that was included in a repair kit for emergency on-site repairs of both ship hulls and steam boilers, judging by the engraving, from the very beginning of the 20th century. The set lacks 2 types of interchangeable handles, a pistol type and a stop like the butt of a gun, the thing is quite rare, because... was optional and was purchased, as a rule, by wealthy shipowners, the fitting here is used for its use in workshops from a high-pressure compressor, cartridges were usually used in emergencies, and were used until the mid-50s. The item is quite rare but the condition is depressing.
    1. Volkhov
      0
      3 November 2013 22: 49
      The heating engineers would pass it off as a joke, but here the wild and naive people from the magical world of the Internet take it seriously...
      The only thing missing is a spring on the adjusting flap - a tail sticks out from under the screw, and this is a Bosch injector, but not for an injector for Euro gasoline, but for a steam locomotive for crude oil.
      Rivets for ships and boilers - pieces of iron with a core diameter of half an inch to 2, were put on hot with large sledgehammers... when assembling a battleship, a worker put 1...2 rivets per shift, mechanization - a jackhammer for riveting, and to pierce the armor of 8 inches ...They didn’t try 12 pistols, they drilled in place, that’s why it took a long time.
  71. 0
    29 October 2013 22: 05
    It's strange that there are no handles or stops. Maybe it was located on some kind of machine.
  72. Volkhov
    -3
    29 October 2013 22: 41
    The test results speak of the demise of RUSSIA - it looks cooler than the gay pride parade, all that remains is shock with intensive care as the last hope.
    1. 0
      29 October 2013 23: 52
      Quote: Volkhov
      The test results speak of the demise of RUSSIA - it looks cooler than the gay pride parade, all that remains is shock with intensive care as the last hope.


      Congratulations Vasily hi and you (what they said) good and myself (for waiting)! Yes Now you can go to bed. Along the way, Dmitry, born in 75, also said hello with a plus - he explained everything clearly. hi
  73. 0
    30 October 2013 00: 05
    This design of the product is typical for the mid-19th century, the era of the beginning of active steam locomotive construction. The abundance of unnecessary parts also indicates the same thing - there were no standard technical solutions and everyone invented whatever they wanted. Most likely this is a steam siren, which was once installed on a similar power unit. Subsequently, the design was subject to modernization, as evidenced by the presence of a ball bearing. The last adventure that happened with this unit was an attempt at a makeshift conversion into a homemade shooting device - most likely unsuccessful (luckily for home-grown Kulibin)
  74. +3
    30 October 2013 00: 09
    Gentlemen, you are being fooled like boys! As soon as I saw the welded bearing (!!!) the last doubts disappeared. Welding of bearings is not allowed in any factory product, no matter what year it was manufactured. Therefore, we have before us a pure draw. I was even more convinced of this when I saw decorations (???) in the form of anchors and other trinkets, absolutely non-functional and tacky.
    The result is a raffle.
    Teach materiel!
    Hello everyone from Odessa Polytechnic University!)))
  75. Asan Ata
    +1
    30 October 2013 02: 09
    What a strange emblem - an anchor with a train? The lion's head is screwed to a thin-walled glass and is slightly larger than it, obvious stupidity. The steel bolts on the brass part are a clear contradiction, the ears on the figured lid are very crudely welded. However, this thing is too well aged for a fake! If someone cooked it up for the bullshit, it’s bad! drinks
  76. 0
    30 October 2013 06: 13
    Shaitanama......... wassat
  77. 0
    30 October 2013 07: 31
    Dear, can I make an avatar from one photo?
  78. +1
    30 October 2013 07: 50
    But no one thought that this was a banal torch (liquid fuel) that hung on the wall of some mansion. This is evidenced by the decorative finishing and manufacturing materials. A rotating “muzzle brake” is most likely needed for ease of cleaning (wiping) without removing the entire structure, because it is the upper part that will darken and become covered with soot. Although I don’t know why there is a bearing for this, maybe to justify the high price, expensive means high quality and reliable (We need to keep the brand).
    1. 0
      30 October 2013 10: 41
      The bearing is confusing...
      Although it also “reminds” me not of a torch, but of an igniter for boilers.
  79. +1
    30 October 2013 12: 59
    Or it could be a hot air balloon burner, for example.
  80. +1
    30 October 2013 15: 42
    And it reminds me of a siren, when started from a blank cartridge or an electric motor, the generator is easily inverted.
  81. +1
    30 October 2013 20: 46
    The fact that this “unit” was cobbled together from different parts at different times (or added to in our time) personally gives me absolutely no doubt. Why?
    1. The presence of engravings, leaves and other decorations and rough welding on the bearing race do not fit.
    2. At the factory, the bearing will never be welded to the cage; there is a high probability of ruining it.
    2. The “muzzle brake” is clearly made of steel. But if the “unit” is more than 80 years old and was lying around in garages, the corrosion must be serious.
    3. Pay attention to the bolt that secures the “ball” - it is clearly new, marked according to GOST, as is one of the nuts, the “original” bolt is unmarked...
    And further down the list - take a closer look at the photo.
    What it was originally, I don’t presume to judge. But the fact that hands have been put to it in our time is undeniable.
  82. wildgunman
    0
    31 October 2013 13: 30
    This is an artifact from a parallel universe - the ceremonial weapon of the marshal of the steam locomotive fleet. I saw a very similar object in photographs of ancient frescoes in Von Däniken’s book.
  83. 0
    31 October 2013 20: 32
    I'm leaning towards Jager's opinion.
  84. 0
    31 October 2013 20: 40
    Heinrich Friedrich Füger. Prometheus brings fire to men (1817)
  85. Foreman
    +1
    1 November 2013 20: 43
    By the look. I made him out of what I had. There are a lot of parts, as they say, from the trash heap. The gunsmith is a self-taught maniac. IMHO the only thing that comes to mind. (Selection of the weight of gunpowder or something else - and the mass of the bullet - "searching for the golden mean"
    1. 0
      5 November 2013 11: 54
      If you look closely, you can see rough jambs in the structure. Nobody designs this way (especially the Germans). The bearing is open and not protected by anything. The nut with the cap is clearly made of stainless steel and clearly not from here. The screw is screwed into the emblem. The two screws are positioned so that one interferes with the other. In short, this is a self-propelled gun in any case. I suggest disassembling and looking at the markings on the bearing fasteners. Its compliance with standards.
  86. Alex toll
    0
    22 November 2013 12: 36
    It's a whaling weapon - a harpoon cannon - type. Hence the naval symbols - a self-propelled gun - ordered from some craftsman, spare parts from the trash heap, and the projectile is plastic - kinetic force is reduced - they probably thought they just wanted to shoot at the Whales and that was why it was redone, but the weak mechanisms did not allow the use of a combat bullet and the diameter is suitable for a harpoon in the end, there was no point in shooting a bullet - remaking it back would be a bastard or the inventor died - in general, the train of thought is clear. Look at the principle like a cannon - maybe some sailor served on a warship - then served on a fishing ship and took the principle from the ship's guns - the powder charge is separate - the projectile is separate and plastic can be made directly at sea - the melting point is in any case lower than that of metal .. .........

    But this is 100 pounds for a harpoon initially

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1

    %8F_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0

    Look, there are similarities!!!! the kulibin just started up on the ship

    Or another version of the gun was ordered by the captain after a successful hunt - add it in general))))))

    The ship was steam-powered - hence the locomotive and the anchor - the boilers were produced by a factory that made trains and steamships
  87. Alex toll
    0
    22 November 2013 13: 45
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B9_(%D1%82%
    D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BA)

    In the evening of the next day, the “Whalesman” weighed anchor, taking on board the commander of the Ingria Regiment and headed to Koporye Bay to join the English squadron. His task was to inform the British about the uprising and call on them for help. At 22.15 he was spotted by a Soviet destroyer, which began pursuit. The Gray Horse battery fired at the destroyer, one of the salvos hit, and the ship immediately turned away. Around midnight, near Cape Dubovsky, the "Whaler" was stopped by English ships. The “allies” raised their flag on the ship and treated it like a war trophy. This is how the terse line in the logbook tells about it:
    “23.50 - The disarmament and plunder of the “Whaler” by the British began.”

    The natives of Foggy Albion did not spare even the private belongings of officers and crew, which once again confirms
    in the eyes of the author, the stupidity and shamelessness of this nation. Only on June 17, after the signing of the act of “returning the ship to the Russian command,” “Whaler” was transferred to the disposal of the Maritime Administration of the North-Western Government. The document provided for the English side the opportunity to regain the ship at any time.

    The naval department, headed by the hero of Port Arthur, the young Rear Admiral Vladimir Pilkin, was located in Narva. In addition to a tank battalion, a division of armored trains and a regiment of the St. Andrew's flag, it had a flotilla of 4 fast boats. "Whaler" became its flagship. On it, the commander of the river flotilla, a participant in the Battle of Tsushima, cap. I rank Dmitry Tyrtov.

    Port Arthur - think about it - it was there - the coat of arms - a lion's head - a lion's heart - does not resemble anything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Perhaps the gun was installed on it exactly there and here is the NATO cartridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Great Britain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    A month before Italy entered World War II, the Italo was requisitioned by the Navy and became known as the G79. The vessel was engaged in dredging work in the Gulf of Genoa[4]. On September 10, 1943, fearing that the ship would be captured by German troops, the G79 crew sank their ship in the port of Genoa.

    Perhaps the gun was removed before the sinking and it was confiscated by the Germans from the sailors.

    Perhaps this weapon is from our WHALE!!!!!!!!!!!
  88. Alex toll
    0
    22 November 2013 13: 51
    http://v-murza.livejournal.com/111435.html

    Here is a link to its history and read it - there are many points that point to this weapon

    Including the following lines
    The arrival of the "Kitoboy" under St. Andrew's flag in Copenhagen created a sensation. The Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, who lived in the capital of Denmark, arranged an audience with the Russian sailors, welcoming them as fighters against the Red scourge. Since the situation on the Southern Front remained unknown, it was decided to remain in the Danish capital until the situation was clarified. The uncertainty of the future affected the mood of the personnel: by May 1, 1920. 9 officers left “Whaler” and took various jobs.

    At the Copenhagen roadstead at that time there was the 2nd brigade of cruisers of the English fleet under the flag of Rear Admiral Sir Cowan. The British decided to capture the “Kitoboy”, since it was supposedly their rightful prize in June 1919 (as they say, this was due to the Soviet-British negotiations that began in Denmark).
    On May 4, Fersman was presented with a telegram from the British Admiralty, which stated that the Whaler should immediately sail to the port of Rosyth with an English crew, having Russian sailors on board as passengers.

    Refusing to comply with these demands, Fersman returned aboard the ship and gave orders to prepare it for the explosion. At the same time, he sent a telegram to the Russian envoy in London, in which he asked to insist on the cancellation of the humiliating order and said that the ship would not surrender without a fight. The English “repair team” that appeared on the same day was not allowed on board the ship.

    On May 9, a telegram was received from Paris from the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Government, S.D. Sazonov, with a recommendation to “refrain from providing armed resistance to the British.” To this, Fersman replied that “The commander of a military vessel who did such a thing without a fight is subject to the death penalty according to the laws of the Russian state.”

    Thanks to the intervention of Maria Feodorovna and the moral support of the Danes, French and Slavic countries, the conflict was resolved. Admiral Kovan visited the Whaler. Having examined him, he declared with English duplicity: “I hope that every English naval officer in a similar position would act as valiantly as you did.”
    The poet A. Nesmelov dedicated a poem to the “Copenhagen incident”; lines from it serve as the epigraph of the post.

    Thanks to the care of Maria Fedorovna, the “Whaler” was supplied with coal and provisions for its further journey, changing its destination to Sevastopol. After standing in Copenhagen for five months, until the beginning of July 1920, under the St. Andrew's flag, he began his long journey around Europe to the Black Sea.
  89. Alex toll
    0
    22 November 2013 15: 49
    But the Russian fleet did not distinguish itself in that war. Something like that, nothing special. There was, however, one episode, but it was quite remarkable. And it was a brilliant victory. A small basic minesweeper..... A basic minesweeper is a tiny ship for clearing mines from the entrances to bays and bases. It is usually made of multi-layer plywood to be lightweight and so that a magnetic mine will not be detonated on it. This minesweeper was called “Kitoboy” or “Kitoboets”, I don’t remember exactly. Its crew consisted of only 25 people. The minesweeper was armed with a small cannon, which was needed not for combat, but for destroying surfaced mines. It is also called a fly swatter in the navy.
    So, this ship left Kronstadt and accidentally met at sea with a German squadron, which consisted of one dreadnought, a couple of cruisers, and several destroyers.
    The Germans signaled to the Russian sailors to immediately lower the St. Andrew's flag and surrender. To which the minesweeper’s crew responded by calmly unsheathing their only cannon and politely signaling the invitation to prepare for battle. They were, of course, missed. Because the Germans could not start shooting, otherwise they would have covered themselves with such shame that even a wooden sword would not have helped. Moreover, they did not have a wooden sword. They had real guns and they were first class sailors



    http://reineke.livejournal.com/1189803.html
    1. Alex toll
      0
      22 November 2013 16: 19
      Read the link, and then think about where LION is looking - cannon - fly swatter - thunderstorm LIONS - England

      This is the weapon of our Heroic ship that did not surrender, and the weapon was its symbol - that’s why it was removed.

      When it was sunk in 43, the weapon was confiscated by the Germans, and that man could have been associated with Nazi Germany and did not want to tell where he got it from!!!!!!!!!!!

      You may have in your hands a thunderstorm in Lviv!!!! from our Whaler

      http://fai.org.ru/forum/index.php/topic/30960-%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%
      BA%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%
      BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%B0-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B
      8%D0%B9-%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82/

      here is a link about weapons on minesweepers!!!!

      The naval department, headed by the hero of Port Arthur, the young Rear Admiral Vladimir Pilkin, was located in Narva. In addition to the tank battalion, armored train division and the St. Andrew's Flag Regiment, it had a tiny flotilla of four high-speed motor boats, brought by Captain 1st Rank Wilken from Finland. "Whaler" became its flagship. On it, the commander of the river flotilla, a participant in the Battle of Tsushima, Captain 1st Rank Dmitry Tyrtov, raised his braid pennant.
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  91. Alex toll
    0
    23 November 2013 11: 06
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1
    %8F_%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0

    Whaler's harpoon gun)
  92. kaiser
    0
    28 January 2014 12: 15
    Starter? What nonsense! Show me at least one starter similar to this.
  93. RdsWest
    0
    10 February 2014 21: 16
    With a high degree of probability, we can conclude that the device shown in the photograph is nothing more than a homemade powder starter designed to create a short-term electrical impulse (converting the potential energy of powder gases into kinetic and rotational torque to start the generator). It is impossible to say exactly what its purpose is. There may be an emergency initializer function (in the event of a failure of the main on-board electrical network of a ship, tank, or its complete absence, such as on a lifeboat), ammunition of one or a group of flares or smoke grenades, i.e. in those cases where it is necessary to apply a short-term electrical impulse . An interesting feature is the fact that the device was removed from the object in which it was installed (ship, tank, steam locomotive) and apparently having changed owners, an attempt was made to convert it into a firearm (the presence of fasteners, the absence of a transmission mechanism between the “muzzle brake” and the input shaft generator).
  94. RdsWest
    0
    10 February 2014 22: 27
    And most likely it was originally an oil nozzle, which was transformed into a powder generator, and then into a firearm, and after each transformation it looked more and more exotic.
  95. 0
    12 February 2014 00: 18
    Weapon, starter or decorative object: a mysterious device from Germany

    ...Based on a careful study of each photo, I spent about 3 hours in total and came to the conclusion that this is a working toy.
    Moreover, it is dangerous from a safety point of view - weak locking of the two parts of the firing device according to the mechanical strength.
    Why is the toy
    1. the presence in the design of elements that perform purely decorative functions - like a gun carriage shield, a lion emblem, an anchor, oak leaves. All this is a clear "handjob". It is likely that previously the rear cylindrical part (with ligature), the shield and other elements belonged to a single device. Moreover, the “anchor”, “lion” and shield could be one whole.
    Decorative, non-functional items also include the top cylinder (with a soldered lion) and a nameplate with embossed inscriptions.
    2. the presence of a muzzle brake on the bearing. Probably when fired, this device whistled as it uncoiled.
    3. The trigger mechanism with a striker is also a strong “hand-held”

    At the same time, the device is a well-thought-out and talentedly executed design.
    When assembling it, milling, soldering with a torch, drilling and tapping were used.
    It was most likely performed by a handy and talented child.

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