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Suddenly from the State Duma: anti-corruption bill

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The State Duma is going to work on improving the definition of corruption, and on how to improve the fight against this crime ... Well ... As they say, better late than never ...


Irina Yarovaya, head of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, submitted a bill on criminal responsibility for crimes directly related to corruption to the lower house of the Russian parliament. What does “contributed” mean? —The reader may wonder — what, until now, has corruption been considered a criminal offense?

Suddenly from the State Duma: anti-corruption bill


In fact, it is not as simple as you might expect. In the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation there is an 290-I article called “Taking a bribe”. According to the clauses of this article, the criminal prosecution expects all those gentlemen who have received a bribe from anyone in the form of funds, shares or other property. The maximum penalty under Article 290 provides for the 6 point - a paragraph about a bribe in especially large amounts (more than 1 million rubles) by an official - up to 15 years imprisonment with a fine of 70 -fold amount of bribe. That is, hypothetically, it is possible to thunder for 15 years for a “taken” million and pay XMUM million fine rubles for their appetites. Is everything so simple?

If we analyze this article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, it turns out that a criminal punishment awaits an official in the event that he was frankly given a “paw”. That is, if he decided to launch his own “paw” (by himself, at will), for example, into the regional or state budget, he already has to look for another article here, for this is no longer a bribe ...

Is there such an article? Let's look ... It looks like the article 285-i - "Abuse of office." As an example, which reveals the essence of the article: if such an activity as single or systematic withdrawal of money from their budgets of one or another level does not belong to your authority, and you decided to do the excavation, then theoretically be kind - to the dock ... But abuse because there are different - not only in monetary matters.

In Article 285 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, there is a third clause, which defines the maximum penalty for “abuse” in the form of 10 years in prison, and in those cases if the abuse of official authority resulted in serious consequences. Note that according to article 290, the maximum is 15 years, and according to 285, the maximum is already below ...

There are, of course, other, let's say, related articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: hiding money and property, fraud, embezzlement or embezzlement (in the latter case, the maximum penalty is 10 years imprisonment).

In general, we come to the fact that the Russian Criminal Code contains quite a few articles that, as they say, are around and about, but they don’t look at the essence of the problem. In this regard, the initiative of the deputy Irina Spring on the definition of corruption offenses and crimes of corruption and the need to toughen the penalties on these types of illegal actions seems to be correct. But this initiative has its own nuances, which should be paid attention to while work on the adoption of the relevant law is still underway.

So, the head of the relevant Duma committee, Mrs. Yarovaya, whom God himself ordered to work on improving the anti-corruption legislation, introduces a draft law, in which several important points are spelled out. Firstly, at least, the deputy says so, for the first time in Russia, concepts related to corruption offenses and crimes will be defined (definitions are given as the deputy herself gives them):

Corruption offense is a guilty act that violates the legislation of the Russian Federation on combating corruption and entails disciplinary, administrative, criminal and civil liability.

Corruption offense is a socially dangerous deed committed in connection with the unlawful use by an individual of his official position against the legitimate interests of society and the state in order to obtain benefits for himself or third parties or illegal granting of such benefits to a specified person by other individuals prohibited by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation under the threat of punishment.

The second definition looks particularly florid, which, in principle, is characteristic of modern bills ... But now it's not even about that.

Secondly, the new bill speaks of the embezzlement of the budget funds, which can be included in the asset. Only here if a bribe in especially large amounts in the Art. 290 is indicated in the amount of 1 million rubles, then the “extra large size” for embezzlement of budget funds is for some reason six times higher. That is, he pulled out less than six million from the state program - this is not yet a “special size”, according to the authors of the bill ... But if someone excuse me, he grabbed during the implementation of the state program, while fulfilling the state order of budget money worth over six million rubles, here lawmakers are talking about a "substantial harsher punishment." What is it, this tightening is expressed? It is expressed in the fact that for the specified act it is possible to cater for jail for a period from 7 to 15 years with a fine of up to 5 million rubles and an impressive ban on employment, quote: "certain positions."

As a maximum term, 15 years - indeed, quite a lot. But this is still the term of "serving", but what about the direct compensation for the damage caused, with the confiscation of the property of a corrupt official, for example? After all, it is one thing to put the embezzler behind bars (if this is with high-ranking embezzlers in our country today is possible at all), and another thing is to return everything that he stole from the state, from citizens. And, apparently, no confiscation is provided for in the draft law. We are talking about five million rubles of fine ... That is, a precedent can happen: stole a billion, for example, on the implementation of the same state defense order, transferred to mother-nanny svatiev-zyatyov accounts, bought houses, lots, pearl diamonds, spent on elite hotels, saunas, etc., then “by some miracle” he was convicted for a term of seven years, paid a fine of 5 million, and after a short period - an amnesty, you know ... Or parole for excellent behavior and “not heavy” crime. And “our” hypothetical corrupt official went to freedom with a clear conscience. And on the loose: 1 billion minus 5 million fine is equal to 995 million "net profit" (well, minus the money spent on the saunas and pearls mentioned) ... The only thing is that after this you cannot hold "certain" positions for endts years. But only “certain” - which ones? If exactly those that the corrupt official occupied before, then the loophole appears again: if he was the minister or the head of the agency, he would become the head of some company, corporation, or adviser, in the end ... You'll see, somebody will advise something ...

In short, the deputies need to work seriously on this bill. True, this is only if the bill is really aimed at combating corruption. If it is aimed at shaking the air, then he certainly has already done his job - the atmosphere is shaken ...
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  1. rrrd
    rrrd 29 October 2013 08: 50
    14
    Never in our country to defeat corruption! T to have to dig from the very top
    1. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 29 October 2013 09: 14
      11
      digging is necessary from below, first of all.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 29 October 2013 10: 06
        49
        "You need to dig from below, from yourself first."

        and dug up a lot? how much do you think a simple person steals from the budget? I don’t argue there are such, but only all of them in their whole life have not stolen as much as 1 Serdyukov stole in a couple of years.
        and from below, law enforcement agencies are digging pretty well. we hear quite often that a teacher was caught for a bribe of several thousand rubles and was severely punished. that's just something upstairs does not delve into them.
        1. rrrd
          rrrd 29 October 2013 10: 12
          +5
          With tongue removed! Yes, I also immediately thought about Serdyukov!
          1. Eternal demobilization
            Eternal demobilization 29 October 2013 12: 05
            +2
            laughing For some reason, I suddenly thought about Serdyukov)) How did he probably hiccup))) laughing
          2. don.kryyuger
            don.kryyuger 29 October 2013 17: 52
            12
            So she’s the same! She didn’t really answer: where did she get the apartment in Moscow for $ 3,5 million? I drove out that these were daughters and daughters, she was 17 years old at the time of buying the hut. But it fights corruption in its comet!
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        3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 October 2013 11: 31
          17
          Quote: Starfish
          we hear quite often that a teacher was caught for a bribe of several thousand rubles and was severely punished.

          Are you talking about this ?! laughing
          1. Drosselmeyer
            Drosselmeyer 29 October 2013 13: 21
            +5
            The clip is certainly funny, but the "poor" teachers and doctors are still rowing. In our city for a kindergarten: up to 700 bucks one-time + levies for 20-30 dollars a month; school - levies 20-30 bucks a month; doctors - did the operation to his wife - $ 1500. No money, bend over.
            1. yurii p
              yurii p 29 October 2013 13: 53
              +4
              this system is permeated from top to bottom, because in order to get a place you need to give a bribe, you came to the place you need to give something to sit down and so on, any bureaucratic place is formed according to this rule, it’s not always, of course, there is a rule of nepotism, clanism also exists , the latter is clearly demonstrated in the case of Serdyuk.
              1. don.kryyuger
                don.kryyuger 29 October 2013 18: 08
                +2
                And you go to the mine, or to the factory. I assure you that there is no need to pay a bribe.
            2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 October 2013 15: 27
              +2
              so that they do not take, it is necessary that the higher comrades stop taking.
            3. O_RUS
              O_RUS 29 October 2013 17: 11
              +4
              Quote: Drosselmeyer
              The clip is certainly funny, but the "poor" teachers and doctors are still rowing.


              I was left without a car today and the way home lay past the gymnasium. There is a parking lot at the gymnasium where there is no car cheaper than 650-700 rubles. The guard asked: - "Is it possible to park the car at night?" And in response - "Parking for the teaching staff of the gymnasium."
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 29 October 2013 17: 22
                +3
                Yeah) And in our school no one has a car at all. The geographer LuAZ of the 1960s. As Putin said all the corruption among teachers and doctors)
                1. akreworpa
                  akreworpa 29 October 2013 19: 19
                  +1
                  I was left without a car today and the way home lay past the gymnasium. There is a parking lot at the gymnasium where there is no car cheaper than 650-700 rubles. The guard asked: - "Is it possible to park the car at night?" And in response - "Parking for the teaching staff of the gymnasium."
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                  Yeah) And in our school no one has a car at all. The geographer LuAZ of the 1960s. As Putin said all the corruption among teachers and doctors)
                2. Lyokhin63
                  Lyokhin63 29 October 2013 21: 58
                  +2
                  Engineers forgotten. We have bribes only with paper)))
              2. don.kryyuger
                don.kryyuger 29 October 2013 18: 11
                +5
                And here a girl is familiar, she works with a procedural sister, 8000 rubles. A box of chocolates or a cake will be presented, she is happy.
            4. don.kryyuger
              don.kryyuger 29 October 2013 17: 59
              0
              So there they sing for it. I took 1500 dollars and to the Maldives right away.
            5. Xunta
              Xunta 30 October 2013 15: 24
              0
              Do you have in Ukraine? So you finally have a complete P..dec! You probably have the most ... your bureaucrats and indeed ... Compared to Russia, and even more so to Belarus, you’ve generally found yourself ... in Penza, corruption at the grassroots level has been eradicated ... They steal from us up to the limit .. The governor, the deputies of the mountains of the Duma, and whose close ones are few, FOR WHAT O_o RANGE !!!
        4. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 29 October 2013 11: 56
          +1
          The fact of the matter is that Serdyukov HAD the opportunity to steal more ... hi
        5. Walker1975
          Walker1975 29 October 2013 14: 02
          +2
          Quote: Starfish
          and dug up a lot? how much do you think a simple person steals from the budget? I don’t argue there are such, but only all of them in their whole life have not stolen as much as 1 Serdyukov stole in a couple of years.


          Do not underestimate Serdyukov. He can take as much as one operation, as long as a simple person does not have enough life. And you say a couple of years.
        6. Sour
          Sour 29 October 2013 15: 10
          +1
          Quote: Starfish
          Do not steal as much as 1 Serdyukov stole in a couple of years.

          And how much did he steal in a couple of years?
          The fact of the matter is that no one really knows anything - who stole, what he stole and how much. It's just that the television ordered us, and we all together marched: "Yes! That's right! It is clear who is considered a thief!" Television is a terrible force. laughing
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 29 October 2013 15: 44
            +4
            Quote: Sour
            The fact of the matter is that no one really knows anything - who stole, what he stole and how much. It's just that the television ordered us, and we all together marched: "Yes! That's right! It is clear who is considered a thief!" Television is a terrible force.

            Investigators know, but they won’t tell anyone) In 2010, a trillion was stolen only on government procurements, so you can guess about Serdyukov’s share in this pie, and about someone else’s share with whom he shared, too ...
            1. Sour
              Sour 29 October 2013 16: 38
              +4
              Quote: New Russia
              In 2010, a trillion was stolen only on public procurement, so you can guess about Serdyukov’s share in this pie, and about the share of someone higher with whom he shared, too ...

              In-in, and I mean too. Go figure it out - Serdyukov stole for himself or for someone else. And who is this "other". And how much was stolen in general - a trillion, ten trillion or a hundred rubles. I repeat, we know nothing and cannot know anything. But the language blah-blah-blah, it's us easily. Because the TV box has already appointed those responsible. And now I do not envy investigators and judges. Try, make a different decision, not the one prescribed by the TV box. Gobble up with giblets right away. Our "common people", the most honest people in the world, will also be among those who are devouring. After all, he had already been clearly explained on TV who was to blame, even before the trial. And our people are disciplined.
        7. Joker
          Joker 29 October 2013 19: 16
          +1
          and dug a lot at home? how much do your common people steal from the budget?

          That's just the same correctly said, rot all at the bottom, and on top of the foam, like a beer. You did not ask why, instead of a corrupt official, the exact same corrupt one always comes, but what about the officials? Any petty boss in the state. the service will take on the paw at the first opportunity, and with the increase of the post only appetites grow. So everyone who was in power sat and how you once wrote, they say the fish rots from the head until they themselves become head. Bribes you say you do not give? wink you give more as if with the help of it you can quickly and easily solve the matter)) So there is nothing to sin on others if the stigma itself has a cannon. While the people will not change their views, nothing will ever change, so la la la pro already doesn’t roll its head, invent a new fairy tale to justify hi
          1. Lyokhin63
            Lyokhin63 29 October 2013 23: 00
            +6
            [
            Quote: Joker
            Joker

            So I don’t remember who suggested it, but the offer is excellent: for criminals who stole more than the average salary (at that time) of the average Russian citizen for his entire period of working life - the death penalty, because this criminal stole all the income for the whole life of our average person . This will be fair. And appoint timelines for economic crimes - based on these proportions. And there will be no rot. You got all the effective managers. Nowhere else to go. And do not blame the views of the people to justify themselves
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 29 October 2013 23: 16
              +3
              Quote: Lyokhin63
              for criminals who stole more than the average salary (at that time) of the average Russian citizen for his entire period of working life - the death penalty, because this criminal stole all the income for the whole life of our average person

              Irrational: it is more logical to levy three times the amount of proved damage from the salary received at the logging, road construction, etc., moreover, to prove the amount of damage with the help of a polygraph and medicines.

              But the train of thought is true hi
        8. Toporkoff
          Toporkoff 31 October 2013 16: 31
          0
          and dug a lot at home? how much do your common people steal from the budget?

          Not that much, but there is: the intersection of the solid and the entrance under the "brick", all issues are resolved on the spot, damage to the budget and corruption is obvious - this is the first. Second, where does our government and power come from? It seems they do not speak German, they do not look like Martians, they were even born, raised and trained in the USSR! You know, I have a lot in common with them (the USSR still managed to catch it because I was born in 85m). So maybe you need to get rid of the "Serdyukov" in yourself, so that they have nowhere to come from?
          But to raise the ass and join the party, to engage in socially useful activities? So this is not our method! Politics is a dirty business, and we are good, white and fluffy - we will try to play in the hope that those in power will come here, honor and repent, run to think about the country.
      2. plut-k
        plut-k 29 October 2013 11: 51
        +3
        Gorbachev, I remember, also said - start perestroika with yourself
        1. yurii p
          yurii p 29 October 2013 13: 58
          +3
          Well, as everyone in the country sees how the humpbacked one was rebuilt, and while the humpbacked one was rebuilt for some reason, it became worse for ordinary people, and not for him and his close ones.
      3. waisson
        waisson 29 October 2013 13: 05
        +3
        but I think that the fish rots from the head, give the person power and you will find out who he is
        1. Sour
          Sour 29 October 2013 15: 18
          +2
          Quote: waisson
          but I think that the fish rots from the head, give the person power and you will find out who he is

          The first half of your phrase is completely contrary to the second half.
          On the one hand, you think that everything bad comes from above.
          On the other hand, you think that among the common people there are also plenty of crooks and thieves, they just haven’t been given power yet. But they will give it - it will not seem enough.
          So it turns out that the fish rots from all sides. It's just that someone has become a "head", and someone has remained a "tail" for now, but he's rotten in his soul no less, it's just that he hasn't been given power yet. People are not born presidents, governors and mayors; they were all once "common people".
          1. Kubanets
            Kubanets 29 October 2013 21: 30
            +2
            Fish rots from the stomach. In our debate, rotting from eskritimy represented in the person of the oligarchs (yesterday farmers and shop guards) who decided that they govern the country And all the bureaucratic husks on which all the people's hostility is now a bypass channel for releasing a couple of mass discontent. While in the country 2% own public property, we are doomed to live on the eve of a civil war
      4. varov14
        varov14 29 October 2013 16: 22
        +1
        At the bottom, dig, do not dig, more than a bribe to the traffic cop, anyway, there is no one to give, they will understand correctly. It's about billions, at least treason.
        1. Sour
          Sour 29 October 2013 16: 48
          +2
          Quote: varov14
          At the bottom, dig, do not dig, more than a bribe to the traffic cop, anyway, there is no one to give, they will understand correctly. It's about billions, at least treason.

          Honesty is not measured by money. Either you are honest or not. A worker-thief is no more honest than a thief-minister, he simply has less ability to steal. And this has nothing to do with honesty. Behind all these accusatory speeches is not honesty, but banal envy. The envy of a redneck who is ready to kill a more successful redneck because he stole more than him, and does not share with him.
          All these conversations have the same meaning: "Shoot all thieves with a rank higher than me, but I will continue to steal, so I will continue." The nastiest, the most hostile point of view, and corruption begins with it. The fish does not rot from the head, but from the inside.
      5. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 29 October 2013 17: 01
        +8
        It makes no sense to tell people "start with yourself." In fact, this call, the only true one, faces an insoluble problem. The ability of a person to think objectively and see what is happening exactly until the moment when this something (comprehended and happening) touches him.
        This trouble is inherent in all people (unfortunately, no one is an exception, including me).
        When talking about other people, the arguments themselves float in our hands, it’s so natural that we are right with you, but they - not.

        In fact, it turns out that many in their lives had the opportunity, and not one, to prevent some kind of corruption crime, but did not do it, or did it themselves.

        Letters in Bills Will Never Overcome Corruption . Just like the blueprints of cruise missiles cannot sink a ship, no matter how much we would like to.

        Here is a comparison:

        1. R&D on the terms of reference for anti-ship missiles ->
        2.Factory manufactured, tested rocket ->
        3. means for its application (a ship, for example, with launchers for such a missile, various related systems that allow us to successfully use our anti-ship missile system) ->
        4. military personnel (any participants in the battle that affect its outcome on our side, including the service personnel for our missile) ->
        5.Correct target designation (or a missile homing system that allows you to hit the target) ->
        6. Volley!

        1. Bill->
        2. Working law->
        3. The judicial system, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and so on (the ability to apply the law) ->
        4. Participants in the trial, on our side - honest witnesses, objective judges, lawyers, etc. - in general, at this point - all of us. Businessmen, lawyers, rich, poor, it doesn't matter. All of us.
        5. Working methods of legal proceedings, investigations, evidence of guilt, etc.
        6. The verdict.

        Is it a secret that the missile will not hit the target if one of the points is excluded? So it is with the law. It is worth breaking the "chain" - and that's it, the criminal will escape punishment. There are always witnesses. They don't always care about things that don't touch their shirt. And lawyers, millionaires, officials are, for the most part, people of our Russian society. They are perfectly amenable to the cultural influence of those with whom they constantly contact, like any other people.
        We need a revolution in the minds of people, we need an absolute condemnation of corrupt actions on the basis of moral and ethical norms that do not require evidence, a priori. Even in relation to relatives and himself
        Otherwise, it turns out that there is a rocket, but there is no one to shoot.
      6. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 29 October 2013 18: 43
        0
        Quote: Toporkoff
        digging is necessary from below, first of all.

        Right! This lady - Yarovaya - started from herself after being told about the entire Internet about her apartment for 3 million bucks.

        And enough arrogance to behave this way. Or it’s just that the brain is absent, but it’s unlikely that I could cut down an apartment ...
        1. Combitor
          Combitor 30 October 2013 00: 12
          +4
          The Putin regime and all those who serve it have again declared another war on corruption. Again they begin to invent all sorts of bills. We agreed that under the Criminal Code it is generally difficult to prosecute for corruption. It turns out normally, so if the pointing finger of the Kremlin wagon driver points at someone, then even our "imperfect" from the point of view of the Yarovaya Criminal Code is enough to drive away for a long time someone who dared to vote against the Kremlin helmsman. But if someone from the crowd of putinoids stole billions thanks to his official position, then the Russian Criminal Code is powerless. Or maybe we will not reinvent the wheel and return the Soviet Criminal Code? There will be enough for all qualifications, articles and punishments. And for maniacs, and for pedophiles, and for Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, and for the "Olympic builders". Yes, and for the great helmsman there are a couple of articles.
          And then, something our government is already completely their own people for not understanding the herd began to take. Like - "people grabbing". Although how can a bunch of thieves that occupied the Kremlin, the government and all the authorities somehow punish themselves. Moreover, the next appointment of the great Siberian Crane to the main Russian position is still very far away. While it is possible to powder the brains of the electorate who elected and appointed you. And closer to the elections, everything will appear: a new "strategy for fighting corruption", and another new popular front, and many other "new" things that appear and are promised before each appointment of Putin to the "kingdom." It's just boring already.
          And "the fight against corruption" whatever you name and what new concept and bills do not invent - Serdyukov and Co. are still there, i.e. on the loose. And thousands of people like him too.
      7. Kolya
        Kolya 30 October 2013 00: 55
        0
        The fight against corruption begins when, for example, you find out that your friend or employee is involved in corruption and you abruptly start to hate and despise him because by doing so he undermines the well-being of the society in which you live. Look at yourself from the side, are you ready for such an act? I am sure that 95% of the readers of this site, to one degree or another, promote corruption unknowingly in everyday situations, and 4 out of 5 are corrupt. The traditions of behaving in our society are such! Himself, and I am like that and everyone around them, only everyone is used to pointing fingers at each other, they say someone but not me. Now on the topic: no need to invent a bicycle, Corruption is a violation of the function of something. In this case, corruption - this is the action or inaction of an official with his personal interest, which led to non-compliance with the law (law, government regulation, etc.). The law has not been fulfilled, personal interest has been proved - there is work, on the bench! The legislator can also be corrupt, but this is already called the collapse of the state, remember 1991, when strangers wrote laws to us and still little by little slip them. Corrupt law can be not only its malicious meaning, but also its sophistication. This is a normal practice all over the world, if an educated person without higher education, having read a document three times, cannot clearly put in his head what is written there, then such a document is thrown into the garbage bin, and the wizard who wrote it is politely advised to find another job. Read the laws of Russia and the laws of the USSR (no later than the 50s) in comparison and feel the difference.
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 29 October 2013 09: 16
      +9
      Anyway, they will find loopholes in this bill, when they get to judge another official! Re-qualify business with Corruption crime в Corruption offense
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 October 2013 09: 24
        29
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Anyway, they will find loopholes in this bill, when they get to judge another official!

        Of course they’ll catch up, I do not believe that cozl would forbid themselves to eat cabbage.
        1. varov14
          varov14 29 October 2013 16: 31
          +2
          The most reasonable way is to reduce the number of goats. Two can live as they want, even on a state post, the rest should know their place in the stall and eat no more than what is permitted. Extra gobbled up from the stall, with all the consequences.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 29 October 2013 14: 04
        +3
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Anyway, find loopholes
        They will not find it, but they will create it (and most likely the loopholes were created initially - otherwise you could just ratify article 20 of the convention against corruption, rather than riveting a new law)
    3. Forest
      Forest 29 October 2013 10: 49
      -5
      Perhaps you recently appeared in our country, 23 years ago there was no corruption.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 29 October 2013 10: 58
        13
        "Perhaps you recently appeared in our country -23 years ago there was no corruption."

        come on you. what do you say that ?. was darling, only the scale was not so, and those caught were really punished.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 October 2013 11: 22
          +4
          Quote: Starfish
          was darling, only the scale was not so

          I don’t know what the scale was, but I know for sure that they didn’t tell us anything and we didn’t know anything.
        2. Forest
          Forest 29 October 2013 11: 32
          -6
          Liberal gossip is nothing more.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 October 2013 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: Forest
        Perhaps you recently appeared in our country, 23 years ago there was no corruption.

        23 years ago, we had no prostitution wink
        1. Forest
          Forest 29 October 2013 11: 36
          +2
          And other "free society" grimaces.
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 29 October 2013 12: 22
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Forest
          Perhaps you recently appeared in our country, 23 years ago there was no corruption.

          23 years ago, we had no prostitution wink


          and sex wink
          1. Forest
            Forest 29 October 2013 12: 24
            +3
            As the classic said: "there was no sex, and children were born more often."
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 29 October 2013 12: 31
            +1
            everything was, everything was and there was love!

            but the Internet was n! and social sites. = was not.
            But the truth was from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and the truth was sought for especially trusted persons.

            for = closed party meeting, for members of the party member, party activity, etc.

            and corruption has always been: before it was called like this: DO NOT SMOOTH, DO NOT GO! SEES ITSELF FROM IT FROM! HAIRY PAW! ETC.
            1. Forest
              Forest 29 October 2013 13: 57
              +2
              And how was corruption expressed during the Soviet era - did they plunder the budget or demand a bribe for a child in the garden? More specifically light. I personally have not encountered.
              1. Sour
                Sour 29 October 2013 17: 33
                0
                Quote: Forest
                Lighten more specifically

                And in universities they were accepted for pull and for bribes, and they were excused from prison for the same reasons, and they appointed their own people and ours to positions, and for some reason prosecutors and cops obviously lived beyond their means. If you did not collide, then you simply did not live. Or went to the kindergarten, with my mother hand in hand. And my classmate in 1975 was sent for an operation in the regional center only after the parents "greased" whoever needed it. That was a long time ago. But there was.
                1. yurii p
                  yurii p 29 October 2013 22: 35
                  +3
                  yes it was, but now it’s a hundred times worse, I cite as an example that when I handed over for the rights I didn’t give a dime, and then they didn’t take it, few young people believe it, but now everyone knows to whom and how much you need to give in excess of what is supposed to be, and this is just one example, wherever you go, wherever you go you need only money, at least to the doctor, even to the police, lawyer ..... you can enumerate and enumerate
                2. Forest
                  Forest 30 October 2013 08: 09
                  +1
                  Have you personally entered for a bribe at a university?
                  In our country, both the prosecutor and the police chief were no different from ordinary citizens, they lived in the same houses and had the same cars and garages. Maybe you lived in Georgia or you agree then, as it was in the remnants of the Khazaria, but in central Russia it wasn’t.
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        4. O_RUS
          O_RUS 1 November 2013 09: 13
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          23 years ago, we had no prostitution


          ... there was no prostitution. They called it differently, but it was not difficult to find a woman to rest.
    4. yurii p
      yurii p 29 October 2013 13: 46
      0
      "We will never defeat corruption in our country! Tk will have to dig from the very top" ..... I agree, but there was an example in our history, remember Stalin, not Stalin, the organizer of concentration camps, but Stalin, a fighter against corruption.
      1. Forest
        Forest 29 October 2013 13: 58
        +1
        In your Khazars never, everything went from there. And for Russia it is an imposed way of thinking.
    5. Walker1975
      Walker1975 29 October 2013 13: 53
      +2
      Medvedev was recently in China. Why reinvent the wheel. You can take the Chinese Criminal Code (there are written options for corruption). I’ll find it now, add it in the comments
      1. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 29 October 2013 15: 40
        0
        In China, corruption is a legal way of governing. Executed? not so often, and then with a delay, then more window dressing to the public and punishment for individual misconduct is not known to us. And they take it? Serdyukov in comparison with them is a schoolboy. So you didn’t correctly understand why Mishka went to China - LEARN.

        In China, rallies of people against corruption are often held, and not a couple of thousands hold rallies, they disperse them like that and toughly.

        I don’t remember the PS right now, it sounded like that ... officially, corruption losses in China range from 15-17% of GDP per year ... and there is no improvement.

        PPP "For what they imprisoned - did not share ... And for what they released - shared ..." Relevant for all countries ...
      2. New Russia
        New Russia 29 October 2013 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: Walker1975
        Medvedev was recently in China

        So the Chinese had to do everything according to the law with Medvedev ahaha
      3. yurii p
        yurii p 29 October 2013 22: 44
        +3
        I don’t know how in China, and in South Korea, in the late 90s and early 2000s, two presidents of the country were executed, immediately after the term of the presidency, the prosecutor’s office charged with corruption, were arrested and executed in court, that’s how the law should work and not like ours, a house arrest with an exercise in the park and with housekeepers in order not to undermine health, and no one will need in bed. What is pleasant in China is the death penalty for drugs.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 29 October 2013 23: 21
          +3
          Quote: yurii p
          this is how the law should work, and not like ours
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 29 October 2013 19: 36
      0
      Until such a measure as the confiscation of all acquired property illegally is applied, they will take it. Yesterday night I accidentally turned on "Channel 5", the program "Moment of Truth" was on, the program was devoted to corruption. Things got to the point, judging by the facts given in the program, officials began to do so that after two or three years of "good" work, having accumulated capital, they themselves provoke a bribe, receive a year, and after six months are released on parole. All ! He's clean! Honestly served for a bribe, and now he can live without grieving, on the stolen money. This is the limit of impudence!
    7. ksan
      ksan 29 October 2013 20: 07
      +1
      rrrd RU Today, 08:50 AM New

      Never in our country to defeat corruption! T to have to dig from the very top
      Corruption, of course, cannot be completely eliminated, but this does not mean that you do not have to fight it and look for effective methods of dealing with it. wink
      1. alone
        alone 29 October 2013 20: 40
        0
        in a society where each individual at least once gave or received a bribe, corruption cannot be defeated in such a society.

        in all countries of the former Soviet Union, it is customary to consider oligarchs, government officials and deputies to be major corrupt officials. If this is so, then it is generally not clear how corrupt officials will adopt a law against corruption.
    8. Combitor
      Combitor 31 October 2013 01: 21
      0
      <Ivanov: Only 1% of corruption fines were reimbursed.
      For the first half of 2013, the courts imposed fines of 20 billion rubles for corruption violations. However, only 1% of the damage is indemnified.
      “Only 20 million rubles have been reimbursed, which is one percent of the damage,” said Sergei Ivanov, head of the presidential administration on October 30. He agreed with President Vladimir Putin, who had previously noted that the norm concerning the liberalization of legislation on economic crimes does not work.> "Free Press".
      What is the fight against corruption. Hand washes a hand! Corruption is no longer even a crime, but a violation. And fined for her, as for an administrative offense. The land will not burn under burglar officials while this Putin gop-brigade is in power. Until Putin and his Kremlin accomplices change into a prison robe, bureaucratic thieves' lawlessness will continue in the country.
  2. Dejavu
    Dejavu 29 October 2013 08: 52
    14
    They will work so that Tubaretkin still does not sit down. When he sits down, then stand up together and applaud we will meet this law with tears of sincere happiness in his eyes. For now negative
    1. bif
      bif 29 October 2013 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: dejavu
      They will work so that Tubaretkin still does not sit down. When he sits down, then stand up together and applaud we will meet this law with tears of sincere happiness in his eyes. For now negative

      On this epoch-making day I will drink standing. Interesting details in the law regarding the bribe-giver)) it's time to announce the season of "planting with confiscation"
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 29 October 2013 08: 52
    18
    The vagueness of wording is becoming a bad tradition, as is the stubborn refusal of property confiscation procedures. request
    1. Fin
      Fin 29 October 2013 09: 31
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      persistent refusal of property confiscation procedures.

      If confiscation is not prescribed, then this is for blurring our eyes, for people. Imitation of the fight against corruption. For a real struggle, first you need to remove such concepts as inappropriate and inefficient spending of budgets. funds used Sch. Chamber and Rosfinnadzor. All this is an illegal expense of money.
    2. vlad0
      vlad0 29 October 2013 11: 34
      +5
      Prescribing confiscation means digging a deep hole for the future. A modern Russian official or deputy of any level will not do this for anything. Smeared all.
    3. Walker1975
      Walker1975 29 October 2013 14: 03
      +1
      As well as the refusal to introduce a demand for explanation by an official living on a salary, he suddenly became a millionaire.
  4. Asgard
    Asgard 29 October 2013 08: 56
    20
    - the atmosphere shook ...

    Here is the last two words of article +.
    But thieves pass laws to fight with themselves - this is ridiculous ....
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 29 October 2013 09: 40
      +8
      Asgard But thieves pass laws to fight with themselves - this is ridiculous ....-carve in granite
      1. understudy
        understudy 29 October 2013 12: 57
        +4
        Quote: fennekRUS
        carve in granite

        According to the latest guidelines - now it is necessary to cast in granite! lol
    2. Starfish
      Starfish 29 October 2013 09: 44
      +5
      "But thieves make laws to fight themselves - it's ridiculous ...."

      it's not funny. and not even sad anymore. fists clench ...
  5. major071
    major071 29 October 2013 08: 57
    +7
    Corruption offense is a socially dangerous deed committed in connection with the unlawful use by an individual of his official position against the legitimate interests of society and the state in order to obtain benefits for himself or third parties or illegal granting of such benefits to a specified person by other individuals prohibited by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation under the threat of punishment.

    The concept of corruption should be clearly defined and the punishment for it should be defined as heavier as possible up to life. And here people give real terms to us for stealing a railway crutch, and the one who grabbed millions is free. It seems that the criminal code was created for the rich.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 29 October 2013 09: 48
      +6
      "It feels like the criminal code was made for the rich."

      the rich were created - the deputies are not poor people - for the rich. copying the "best" sides of the legal Western countries. there is money for a lawyer of the Criminal Code working for you, no money is against you.
  6. Bongo
    Bongo 29 October 2013 08: 59
    10
    Does someone believe that our government will fight with itself?
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 29 October 2013 09: 52
      +4
      "Does anyone believe that our government will fight against itself?"

      Yes there are such. all deputies are thieves. all ministers are thieves. one shoigu and a guarantor in white, and they are not allowed to be attacked by evil corrupt officials.
      Serdyukov probably equal in importance to Chubais, also go looking at some Rothschilds for Russia laughing if someone thought that I’ve branded, then listen to Pravdorub Fyodorov - he’s not me, he is a DEPUTY-UNINOROS, he will not lie laughing
  7. pahom54
    pahom54 29 October 2013 09: 09
    11
    Blah blah blah ... Air shake, soap bubbles ...
    Until an exact definition of corruption is given, until it is decomposed into shelves and its components are determined, until a tough sentence is set aside for each component, until these articles start working (the first indicator of a working law will be Serdyukov's "imprisonment" for 10-15 years without the right of amnesty) - all this is a whim and a swindle of US.
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 29 October 2013 09: 10
    +4
    The shooting and it is not necessary to invent anything, but if you shoot them now, the losses of our country will be comparable to the Great Patriotic War. I think that for now we need to do something in the form of hard labor, let the railway build where we need, work out their credit)))
  9. pluginigor
    pluginigor 29 October 2013 09: 16
    +2
    You need to steal so much so that there is something to pay off.
    Quote: major071
    Corruption offense is a socially dangerous deed committed in connection with the unlawful use by an individual of his official position against the legitimate interests of society and the state in order to obtain benefits for himself or third parties or illegal granting of such benefits to a specified person by other individuals prohibited by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation under the threat of punishment.

    The concept of corruption should be clearly defined and the punishment for it should be defined as heavier as possible up to life. And here people give real terms to us for stealing a railway crutch, and the one who grabbed millions is free. It seems that the criminal code was created for the rich.
  10. footbolist87
    footbolist87 29 October 2013 09: 21
    +8
    It is impossible to do without confiscation, otherwise it turns out that he uses the stolen goods, he paid the fine, but the money was left, the promise was punished, the law is the same for everyone, the rest of the game!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 October 2013 09: 26
      +9
      Quote: footbolist87
      Confiscation is indispensable

      Judging by the declarations of the majority of officials, there is nothing to confiscate. They have nothing, besides the old broken-up Lada.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 29 October 2013 14: 07
        +2
        But suddenly the wives and lovers suffer from the severity of gold and diamonds. And there are many more gigantic officials. He is cooling off on a salary, and his wife needs to plow, feed her husband in a company that moves millions. Where did such rich wives and children come from?
    2. Savva30
      Savva30 29 October 2013 13: 28
      +4
      - Why has the law on corruption still not introduced the norm “confiscation
      property ”?
      - Officials are categorically against: they say, it’s better to return the mortal
      penalty
      1. Stas
        Stas 29 October 2013 20: 27
        +3
        The cancellation of GDP was canceled in 2003, motivating the humanization of laws. Draw conclusions from where the wind blows and who benefits from it.
  11. ReifA
    ReifA 29 October 2013 09: 22
    13
    The bill from me - He stole / squandered \ donated (etc.) up to a million budget money - a prison for 5 years, with confiscation of property. More than a million - shooting.
    Filed in 2 lines, not like lawmakers))
  12. My address
    My address 29 October 2013 09: 23
    +5
    Well, at least not offered to award thieves! negative
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 October 2013 14: 02
      +2
      Hello Sasha!
      Quote: My address
      Well, at least not offered to award thieves!
      But in vain. A ticket to sunny Magadan - why not a prize? There are such wonderful views of mine workings. good .
  13. os9165
    os9165 29 October 2013 09: 27
    12
    Corruption is the backbone of the Russian state machine. What deputies want to break the car? I do not believe? So a smoke screen.
  14. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 29 October 2013 09: 31
    +8
    Well your mother, they are inventing a bicycle !!!
    *****************************************
    Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1960

    Article 173. Taking a bribe


    The receipt by the official in person or through intermediaries in any form of a bribe for the performance or non-fulfillment in the interests of the bribe-taker of any action that the official should or could have performed using his official position,

    the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term not exceeding ten years, with confiscation of property.

    The same actions committed by prior conspiracy by a group of persons, or repeatedly, or involving the extortion of a bribe, or receiving a bribe on a large scale -

    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of five to fifteen years with confiscation of property.

    The actions provided for by the first and second parts of this article, committed by an official holding a responsible position, either previously tried for bribery, or received a bribe in a particularly large amount, -

    shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of eight to fifteen years with confiscation of property.

    ***************************
    Взято с: http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D3%E3%EE%EB%EE%E2%ED%FB%E9_%EA%EE%E4%E5%EA%F1_%D0
    %D1%D4%D1%D0_1960_%E3%EE%E4%E0
    1. Canep
      Canep 29 October 2013 09: 41
      +6
      Look what is in the Criminal Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan (Kazakhstan)


      Chapter 13. Corruption and other crimes against the interests of public service and public administration

      Article 307. Abuse of authority

      Section 307-1. Unlawful disclosure or other unlawful use of transaction and transaction information

      with money and (or) other property

      Article 308. Excess of authority or official authority

      Section 309. Assignment of Authority to an Official

      Article 310. Illegal participation in entrepreneurial activity

      Section 310-1. Obstruction of legitimate business activities

      Article 311. Taking a bribe

      Article 312. Giving a bribe

      Article 313. Mediation in bribery

      Article 314. Official forgery

      Section 315. Inaction in the Service

      Article 316. Negligence


      Of course, I will not say that there is no corruption in Kazakhstan. In my opinion, we are in second place in terms of corruption in the world, and that’s because we gave a bribe so as not to be the first. But there is a whole chapter in the Criminal Code devoted to this activity.
  15. corn
    corn 29 October 2013 09: 38
    +4
    Type on the Internet Irina Yarovaya, read and draw conclusions about the bill.
  16. Begemot
    Begemot 29 October 2013 09: 42
    11
    Bees versus honey !!
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 29 October 2013 09: 54
      14
      "Bees against honey !!"

      flies against der.ma !!!
  17. Grbear
    Grbear 29 October 2013 09: 49
    +6
    The power began to fight with itself? Nothing like this. Corruption, in its present form, poses a serious threat to the authorities themselves. The size of the theft is at least 20%, and people see it. The voltage meter goes off scale.

    The ornate language is a legal practice, but also a two-edged sword. But in terms of punishment any corruption crime should be confiscation, as a method of reimbursement (minimum tax audit of all). And, by analogy with terrorism, "twist" relatives.

    The law should "spell out" the conditions for state corporations with the participation of private capital and other "honestly privatized monopolies." Interests states should not be simply a priority, they should be mandatory for implementation and non-fulfillment is equated with corruption.

    The earth burns underfoot.
  18. Ross
    Ross 29 October 2013 09: 57
    +5
    Quote: LaGlobal
    Anyway, they will find loopholes in this bill, when they get to judge another official! Re-qualify business with Corruption crime в Corruption offense

    Do deputies themselves step on their throats?
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 October 2013 13: 03
      +1
      Yes, things will be ruined before the trial before the trial! As the joke was about Mavrodi: Why did they put him, did he have so many grandmas? That's for not sharing. And then why then released ?! So because he shared .... recourse
  19. Russ69
    Russ69 29 October 2013 10: 03
    +2
    And, apparently, no confiscation is provided for in the bill.

    Another bill is being prepared, to the heap. You will not be able to jump off parole until you recover the losses.
    But according to anyone, without confiscation, these are all half measures ...
    The law will come out, then we will see what to guess, and especially to make a verdict.
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      The law will come out, then we will see what to guess, and especially to make a verdict.

      If it comes out
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 29 October 2013 16: 40
      +1
      and why look? You have not looked enough yet. All laws, decrees, by-laws lead to the fact that people pay more, and fat cats and their roofs have more and more.
  20. predator.3
    predator.3 29 October 2013 10: 16
    +9
    Corruption is a cancerous tumor on the body of any state. Corruption is the worst thing that can happen to society. Corruption gives rise to an inefficient economy, rising prices, crime, riots, and even revolution. [A corrupt official is a potential traitor and traitor to the homeland, any intelligence agency, having carried out small operational work, can easily find out about the official’s corruption ties and blackmail him. If a corrupt official does not follow orders of foreign special services, then the Western press will have denunciatory articles about the fraud of the official, the official will be blacklisted in the countries of America and Europe, all his accounts in Western banks will be frozen.
    Singapore is a country that has defeated corruption in just over 40 years. At the same time, it was possible not only to avoid mass executions of officials, as in China, but even to do without particularly harsh repressions.
    Lee Kuan Yew, together with his People's Action Party, won the elections and became prime minister, it was he who became a symbol of the fight against corruption, whose slogan was: "If you want to defeat corruption, be ready to send your friends and relatives to jail."

    http://black-vates.livejournal.com/7114.html
  21. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 29 October 2013 10: 22
    +2
    We all understand that Russia will stand forever until we destroy it ourselves. And corruption is the main core of this opportunity. So far, everything about the fight has been blah blah blah, one of the indicators in my article on confiscation and consideration of relatives. And then he is the mayor, she is a cool businessman on contracts and other opportunities of the city.
  22. pahom54
    pahom54 29 October 2013 10: 36
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    Of course, I will not say that there is no corruption in Kazakhstan. In my opinion, we are in second place in terms of corruption in the world, and that’s because we gave a bribe so as not to be the first. But there is a whole chapter in the Criminal Code devoted to this activity.

    Well done!!! And, most importantly, there are characteristics of corruption laid out on the shelves, and especially what I liked - the article FOR INACTIVITY in the office (and this is all the time. There are duties that are not fulfilled, and if they are fulfilled - ONLY FOR BABY !!!) . And there is no need to invent anything, and the old Criminal Code of the RSFSR must be used, and the code of Ukraine can be an example, and of Kazakhstan. Even if they are created for the excuse from the public (that is, the people), but the components of corruption are more or less described in them.
    On my own behalf, I would add: it would be necessary to attach confiscation to these articles to the last match of all relatives, as well as a PROHIBITION for the amnesty and early release of all convicts under corruption articles.
  23. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 29 October 2013 10: 38
    +5
    Yes, ah, now they will again pile up in such a way that the prosecutor’s offices get confused and the courts don’t understand ... as with the pension (regular) reform. negative
  24. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 29 October 2013 11: 35
    13
    To fight corruption, WILL and HONESTY are needed! If there is, there will be everything else and there will be results. And this is verbiage and another window dress for consumer goods ...
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 29 October 2013 14: 39
      -8
      "I sent the parents of the children to the camps, and called their children the enemies of the people." Didn't your grandfathers sit in the camps? - Then we go to you. He was a good man, the blood flow was too much on his hands, but he held the country as it should.
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 29 October 2013 16: 07
        +6
        Yeah, but what the "bloody" Stalinist regime set up, the current liberal grabbers still do not cope with. This economy has broken Hitler's neck too. And if Hitler had appeared now, and not then, he would have marched from Brest to Vladivostok without straining. And the same "patriots" would surrender the whole country to him at once, along with them.
        For some reason, then in the USSR there was a constant population growth. Now there is no war, no famine, no "repression", and the loss of the population is covered by the years of the so-called. repression and military losses in the Second World War.
        Read, dear, reliable literature, archival documents, and not all sorts of razunov with "children of the Arbat". For example, D. Lyskov "The Forbidden Truth About" Stalinist Repressions "". My regards. hi
  25. New Russia
    New Russia 29 October 2013 11: 51
    +5
    What are you talking about, another imitation of violent activity, they all know everything there, all corruption schemes, they themselves participate in them, they know about Serdyukov and Skrynnik and Chubais and Putin, they themselves have mansions abroad, they forbade themselves only bank accounts, and what difference is there or not if gold bullion can be stored in a mansion in France? Tell me at least 1 law that passed an illegitimate thought that works effectively ??? A gathering of thieves and bastards, fat pig snouts that mock the country.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 29 October 2013 16: 44
      +1
      Well, you give a girl, although now I hear the voice of her husband and not the girls.
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  26. Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 29 October 2013 12: 00
    +1
    ,, Corruption will destroy our country, "- quote from the movie A Man from the Capuchin Boulevard.
  27. old rocket man
    old rocket man 29 October 2013 12: 16
    +3
    A big plus, especially for the last words.
    Ugh, Spring \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 's main fighter against corruption, now will make me sick. crying
  28. your1970
    your1970 29 October 2013 12: 37
    +2
    Quote: pahom54
    Quote: Canep
    Of course, I will not say that there is no corruption in Kazakhstan. In my opinion, we are in second place in terms of corruption in the world, and that’s because we gave a bribe so as not to be the first. But there is a whole chapter in the Criminal Code devoted to this activity.

    Well done!!! And, most importantly, there are characteristics of corruption laid out on the shelves, and especially what I liked - the article FOR INACTIVITY in the office (and this is all the time. There are duties that are not fulfilled, and if they are fulfilled - ONLY FOR BABY !!!) . And there is no need to invent anything, and the old Criminal Code of the RSFSR must be used, and the code of Ukraine can be an example, and of Kazakhstan. Even if they are created for the excuse from the public (that is, the people), but the components of corruption are more or less described in them.
    On my own behalf, I would add: it would be necessary to attach confiscation to these articles to the last match of all relatives, as well as a PROHIBITION for the amnesty and early release of all convicts under corruption articles.

    1) In the Republic of Kazakhstan, everything is a little different; everything depends on relatives there, the clan system, the main thing is to find the right relative
    2) But what about: "The son is not responsible for his father." (c) J.V. Stalin.
    And if the whole family of decent people really earned something, and to what extent are the kinship relatives, cousins, second cousins? And if he didn’t see him in life and didn’t know that they were relatives?
    3) transferring money to your favorite cleaning lady, buying gold / depositing treasure, buying rare coins / stamps, taking it to the Scandinavians - renting a cell for 25 years costs about 700 euros, as an option, can you exclude? accounts / more clouds of any options and values?
    not so simple in our country ....
    1. Canep
      Canep 29 October 2013 16: 41
      0
      Quote: your1970
      And if the whole family of decent people really earned something, and to what extent are the kinship relatives, cousins, second cousins? And if he didn’t see him in life and didn’t know that they were relatives?

      When I was serving in the army, General Ertayev (Afghan veteran), the commander of our division, said at the formation: "The Kazakhs have relatives on the Moon too." This was said when one warrant officer began to ask for leave for the funeral of his second aunt, to the other end of the country, Ertayev naturally did not let him go.
  29. understudy
    understudy 29 October 2013 12: 54
    +6
    Spring is such a darling and, right, the legendary Jeanne-not-Dark ... lol

    “According to The New Times, in 2006 the Yarovaya family bought an apartment in the elite building“ Tverskaya Plaza ”in the center of Moscow, but did not indicate it in its declaration. At the time of purchase, almost seven years ago, the apartment cost 36 million rubles. it is estimated almost three times higher.The New Times claims that the editorial office has documents confirming that Irina Yarovaya is involved in the activities of the HOA, writes Moskovsky Komsomolets.
    Formally, Yarovaya did not violate the law - the apartment was bought in the name of her minor daughter, but at that time candidates for State Duma deputies had the right not to indicate property recorded on relatives. By 2011, when Yarovaya participated in the elections, her daughter was already an adult. And therefore, Ekaterina Yarovaya with her four-room apartment in the center of the capital did not appear in the documents.
    By the way, in the year when the Yarovaya family became the owner of elite housing, Irina, as a member of the Council of People's Deputies of the Kamchatka Territory, earned about 1,5 million rubles. In 2009 - 2,5 million rubles. The husband contributed a little less to the family piggy bank - about 1,8 million rubles. In 2011, the family earned about 3 million rubles. The purchase of an apartment for 36 million, indeed, could knock down the family budget with such income. Fortunately, according to official documents, the family lives in an apartment, which is given to deputies from other cities ... "(c)
    __________________________
    With such income, you have to around the clock or on the porch or on the highway ... How else can you earn money for a "modest" hut?
    Only those who have absolutely clean hands will be able to fight corruption ... well, and the snout is not in the gun. Therefore, the composition of the "chosen ones" should be changed by 99 percent and only then something should be "started".
  30. your1970
    your1970 29 October 2013 12: 55
    +2
    The Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1926 of the year / Edition of 05.03.1926
    117. The receipt by the official in person or through intermediaries in any form of a bribe for performing or not performing in the interests of the person giving any action that the official could or should have performed solely as a result of his official position,

    imprisonment for up to two years.

    If a bribe is committed under aggravating circumstances, such as: a) responsible position the official who accepted the bribe, b) if there is a previous criminal record for the bribe or the frequency of receiving the bribe, c) with the use of extortion by the person who accepted the bribe, -

    deprivation of liberty with strict isolation for a period of not less than two years, with an increase up to execution with confiscation of property.

    118. Giving a bribe and mediation in bribery -

    imprisonment for up to five years.

    Note. Persons covered by this article shall be exempted from liability in the following cases: a) if extortion of a bribe has occurred in relation to them, and b) if they immediately after giving a bribe voluntarily declare what happened.


    119. Provocation of a bribe, i.e. the deliberate creation by an official of a situation and conditions causing a proposal or receipt of a bribe, with a view to subsequently exposing the one who gave or accepted the bribe, -

    imprisonment for up to two years.

    So do not rely on the fact that 25 years will correct the situation. inevitability of punishment - and two years is enough, checked under Stalin
    Z.Y. I read that CC now and somehow I became thoughtful ...
  31. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 29 October 2013 13: 09
    +1
    Well, probably the following will definitely fall under the "betrayal of the Motherland" and the newly introduced "fight against ....":
    "Former head of FSUE TsNII EISU" Andrey Beltov and his deputy Dmitry Ostrovsky were suspected of embezzling half a billion rubles as part of the development of communication systems on flight-lifting devices. Investigators said that the stolen funds were transferred to the accounts of affiliated companies in the United States. Experts note: such a corruption the scheme has become standard. "Comments are needed ... NO!
    see http://vz.ru/society/2013/10/29/657148.html hi
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 October 2013 14: 19
      +5
      Quote: Valery Neon
      Comments are needed ... NO!
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 October 2013 14: 21
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neon
      Comments are needed ... NO!
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 29 October 2013 14: 39
        +4
        that he is somehow sad. in 2011, probably 1 billion rubles "earned" laughing
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 29 October 2013 16: 48
        +2
        so they are fighting like that, sharing the loot, though they confuse their pockets and the state.
  32. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 29 October 2013 13: 25
    +4
    In Ukraine, we adopted a similar law a few years ago. And what, corruption was defeated? Not at all. Catch every little thing for a bottle of cognac. For there is a caste of rulers and no laws apply to them. Neither the prosecutor’s office nor the police are engaged in these matters at all, and are not even trying to investigate. But in court you can always agree and the case will fall apart. Therefore, these laws are just zilch.
  33. Savva30
    Savva30 29 October 2013 13: 29
    +4
    To be rich in Russia one must be either a corrupt official or a fighter against
    corruption.
    1. Hort
      Hort 29 October 2013 13: 57
      +1
      but, I will note, not an ideal fighter, but a "correct" one. That is, always know when to start a "fight", and when and just to philosophize
  34. Walker1975
    Walker1975 29 October 2013 13: 56
    +4
    So, the Chinese Criminal Code, for starters, offers a complete and comprehensive definition of corruption. Unlike Russian legislation, where they shyly forgot to even mention the word “corruption” itself.

    “Article 382
    The misappropriation, theft, fraudulent gain or other illegal acquisition of public property by public servants using their official advantages are regarded as corruption.

    The misappropriation, theft, fraudulent gain or otherwise unlawful seizure of state property by other means by persons who are entrusted by state bodies, state companies, enterprises, organizations, public associations with the management and economic management of state property, using their official advantages, are regarded as corruption.

    Collusion with the persons referred to in parts one and two of this article and their joint actions are regarded as a group crime. ”

    With the crime it’s clear, but now about the punishment:

    “Article 383
    Persons who have committed acts that fall under the definition of individual corruption, under especially aggravating circumstances, shall be punished by the death penalty and confiscation of property. ”

    “Article 264
    Theft of state or private property, committed on an especially large scale or under other particularly aggravating circumstances, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term exceeding 10 years or indefinite deprivation of liberty, as well as a fine or confiscation of property. And the theft committed in a financial structure on an especially large scale and the theft of valuable cultural monuments, accompanied by aggravating circumstances, - shall be punishable by indefinite imprisonment or the death penalty, as well as confiscation of property. "
  35. Walker1975
    Walker1975 29 October 2013 13: 57
    +1
    “Article 384
    Civil servants who took advantage of their official position, used public funds for personal purposes to conduct illegal activities, or used a relatively large amount of public funds to conduct activities for profit, or used a relatively large amount of public funds for more than 3 months and did not return the specified amount - are considered to have committed a crime, referred to as misuse of state funds, and shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to 5 years; under aggravating circumstances - shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term exceeding 5 years. Large-scale irrevocable misuse of state funds - shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term exceeding 10 years or indefinite deprivation of liberty. ”

    “Article 385
    Civil servants, taking advantage of their official position, who have requested the property of third parties or illegally obtained property of third parties, illegally received the benefit due to these persons, are considered to have committed a crime, defined as bribery.
    Civil servants who illegally received a nominal commission or agent remuneration in the process of carrying out economic and economic activities are liable for bribery. ”

    “Article 386
    Receiving a bribe, depending on the amount of the bribe and related circumstances, is punishable in accordance with the provisions of Article 383 of this Code. The demand for a bribe shall be punished with the most severe punishment of those provided for in Article 383 of this Code, namely, the death penalty and confiscation of property. ”


    “Article 370
    The supply of knowingly low-quality weapons and military equipment to the troops, under especially aggravating circumstances, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term exceeding 10 years, indefinite imprisonment or the death penalty. ”

    And this is a big hello to the Russian oligarchs, whose initial accumulation of capital was in the very dashing 90s, with their wild privatization and secured auctions. We are talking about almost 90 percent of the leaders of the Forbes list.

    “Article 192
    The accumulation of capital by fraudulent illegal methods for the purpose of illegal possession of this capital, committed on an especially large scale or under especially aggravating circumstances, is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term exceeding 10 years or indefinite deprivation of liberty, as well as a fine in the amount of 50 to 500 thousand yuan or confiscation of property. "

    “Article 193
    If one of the following conditions exists, obtaining a loan in a bank or other financial organization by fraudulent means, which entails obtaining a loan in an especially large amount or under other especially aggravating circumstances, is punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of more than 10 years or indefinite imprisonment, as well as a fine in the amount of 50 to 500 thousand yuan or confiscation of property. "

    “Article 224
    Obtaining fraudulently in the process of signing and executing a contract of the property of the other party for the purpose of unlawful seizure of it, committed on an especially large scale or under other especially aggravating circumstances, - shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of more than 10 years or indefinite imprisonment, as well as a fine or confiscation of property ".
  36. Walker1975
    Walker1975 29 October 2013 13: 57
    +6
    But this article may well be addressed to law enforcement officials who torture and cripple detainees, knocking out the necessary evidence from them. Remember the story of a champagne bottle at Dalniy police department? This is just about them. And after the adoption of such an amendment to the domestic Criminal Code, I am sure that the situation will change fundamentally.

    “Article 234
    "Deliberate infliction of injury to a third party, which led to the death of a person or committed with particular cruelty and led to grievous mutilation, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term exceeding 10 years, indefinite imprisonment or the death penalty."

    Just do not dare to introduce the Chinese experience in Russia.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 October 2013 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: Walker1975
      Just do not dare to introduce the Chinese experience in Russia.
  37. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 29 October 2013 14: 03
    +2
    Quote: Forest
    As the classic said: "there was no sex, and children were born more often."

    In our city, near a coffee shop, there is an inscription: "Coffee is a magic drink! How many people were born thanks to an invitation to a cup of coffee!"
    1. Forest
      Forest 29 October 2013 14: 13
      0
      And for love, and not in spite of "sex")
  38. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 29 October 2013 14: 12
    0
    Quote: rrrd
    Never in our country to defeat corruption! T to have to dig from the very top

    Our servants will not offend themselves. Is it not clear to our president that the country is coming to an end with such an attitude towards thieves, because Biryulevo is primarily a corruption scandal, and stop hanging noodles on the ears of the people.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 October 2013 17: 03
      +3
      Quote: shtanko.49
      Is it really not clear to our president that the country is ending with such an attitude towards thieves
  39. LSV
    LSV 29 October 2013 14: 15
    +3
    "And, apparently, no confiscation is provided in the bill."
    That's it, that’s it. Until there is confiscation of property, the price of this fight is worthless.
  40. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 29 October 2013 14: 20
    +2
    The Duma has been preparing a law on confiscation for several years, but how will they themselves confiscate it. Therefore, there will never be a law, real confiscation, but not fiction.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 29 October 2013 17: 06
      0
      Quote: shtanko.49
      The Duma has been preparing a law on confiscation for several years, but how will they themselves confiscate it. Therefore, there will never be a law, real confiscation, but not fiction.
  41. mr_Doom
    mr_Doom 29 October 2013 14: 38
    0
    Printer kills competitors 8D
  42. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 29 October 2013 14: 43
    +2
    Quote: Drosselmeyer
    In Ukraine, we adopted a similar law a few years ago. And what, corruption was defeated? Not at all. Catch every little thing for a bottle of cognac. For there is a caste of rulers and no laws apply to them.

    Yes, and he is unlikely to help us. Since it is created with the thought that it would not have been necessary to use it against yourself. A caste, an example and an incentive, in the person of some citizens, is already a parable.
  43. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 29 October 2013 14: 51
    +2
    Quote: " Deputies need to seriously work on this bill. True, this is only if the bill is really aimed at combating corruption."
    To fight corruption, we need the firm political will of the country's leadership. And her, this will just do not exist. You don’t have to go far for examples. Take the Olympic construction in Sochi. Looted huge amounts. You heard that someone would be attracted. Of course not. Ugly theft at the Ministry of Defense is revealed. The investigation whistles and blows bubbles. And the defendants in the case are chewing and chic. No, there will be corruption in Russia for centuries ...
  44. vedmeddd
    vedmeddd 29 October 2013 15: 20
    +2
    Corrupt officials fight corruption, funny!
  45. Sour
    Sour 29 October 2013 15: 40
    0
    Quote: os9165
    Corruption is the backbone of the Russian state machine. What deputies want to break the car? I do not believe? So a smoke screen.

    In fact, the comment closest to the truth.
    And the matter is not only in the deputies. Are we ourselves ready to abandon corruption?
    I fully know people who are verbally against corruption. But in fact, they zadolbali with requests like: "listen, you have friends in the traffic police, help, otherwise they took away your friend's rights ..."
    We have 90% in words for law and order, for honesty, and the same 90% are proud that they do not pay taxes, mow down from the army, do not comply with traffic rules, go without a ticket, write off exams, take out fake sick-lists, and so on .
    I am not exaggerating.
    And all the deputies and officials did not fall from the moon, they left the people.
    The fact of the matter is that the fight against corruption in Russia, if it is real, will affect everyone in one way or another. And enough stupid tales about thieves-officials and honest people. Our people are also good (you lock your car when you put it in the parking lot?). Almost everyone tries to solve their problems bypassing the law (although sometimes it is even easier under the law), while hypocritically sighs: "The system is to blame."
    And since the fight against corruption affects almost everyone, the resistance to this fight is massive. In fact, in words we have everything against corruption, but in fact, almost no one. In words, everything is for order, in fact, everything is for a mess. And blaming power is easy. That fell on her, as in bad weather.
  46. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 29 October 2013 15: 55
    +2
    While we have a hotbed of corruption, kickbacks and theft is the power itself and at the same time has legislative and law enforcement functions, what bills and laws can we talk about ???
    What measures does the government plan to punish itself?
    All laws in the end apply only to those who are not among the elect, eliminating the unwanted and punishing ordinary mortals in order to indicate the appearance of a struggle. And do not count examples of this ...
    For the highest echelon, loopholes will always be included even in the most, at first glance, anti-corruption law.
  47. Sour
    Sour 29 October 2013 16: 13
    +1
    Quote: predator.3
    "If you want to defeat corruption, be ready to send your friends and relatives to jail."

    That is correct.
    Do we have many of these ready-made? Units.
    And not only among officials, but also among the so-called. "common people".
  48. Djozz
    Djozz 29 October 2013 17: 06
    +2
    And, fuck me with a billion after 2 maximum years of imprisonment of the head of the library in the zone, state. post "we have not been to any Tahiti, we are well fed here too" mf "Return of the Prodigal Parrot"
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 29 October 2013 17: 25
      0
      Apparently I was a minuser, a billionaire librarian!
  49. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 29 October 2013 17: 08
    0
    "Remember, gentlemen, this country will ruin corruption" (c)
  50. Sour
    Sour 29 October 2013 17: 22
    +2
    Quote: SkiF_RnD
    It makes no sense to tell people "start with yourself." In fact, this call, the only true one, faces an insoluble problem. The ability of a person to think objectively and see what is happening exactly until the moment when this something (comprehended and happening) touches him.
    This trouble is inherent in all people (unfortunately, no one is an exception, including me).
    When they talk about other people, the arguments themselves flow into our hands, it is so natural that you and I are right, and they are not.

    In fact, it turns out that many in their lives had the opportunity, and not one, to prevent some kind of corruption crime, but did not do it, or did it themselves.

    Quote: SkiF_RnD
    It is worth breaking the "chain" - and that's it, the criminal will escape punishment. There are always witnesses. They don't always care about things that don't touch their shirt. And lawyers, millionaires, officials are, for the most part, people of our Russian society. They lend themselves well to the cultural influence of those with whom they constantly contact, like any other people.
    We need a revolution in the minds of people, we need an absolute condemnation of corrupt actions on the basis of moral and ethical norms that do not require evidence, a priori. Even in relation to relatives and himself

    Thank you for your honest words.
    I hope the future lies with them.
    And all those
    who demands to shoot everyone except himself,
    who laughs at the phrase "Begin with yourself",
    who croaks - "think, I gave a bribe to a traffic cop (or a tax officer), but ministers steal billions"
    - This is actually an envious redneck, which is not against corruption, but only against those who steal more than them. Behind all their accusatory speeches is a banal envy of a more successful thief. And they are the main breeding ground for corruption, its main support. They are the main enemies of Russia, worse than any external enemies. While there are most of them, corruption cannot be defeated.
    But starting with yourself oh how hard it is! To do this, you need to be strong, and not just an Internet chatterbox.