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Improved Tou system for LAV-AT infantry fighting vehicle USMC

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Improved Tou system for LAV-AT infantry fighting vehicle USMC

The armament of a light armored anti-tank vehicle LAV-AT (Light Armored Vehicle Anti-Tank) of the US Marine Corps. Photo: Raytheon



Raytheon Corporation successfully completed the first series of test combat shooting using a new weapon system of a light armored anti-tank machine LAV-AT US Marine Corps. The upgraded weapons system BMP LAV-AT, equipped with TOW-II missiles, is designed to protect reconnaissance and light infantry groups. Its task is to destroy threats at a great distance, day or night, as well as in all weather conditions.


The LAV-AT 2 Division of the US Marine Corps shown here during Operation Desert Storm in 1991 is the only US platform using the outdated Emerson M901 turret. This tower and TOW M220A3 system have now been replaced in order to standardize the SABER M41 system used by the US Army. (Photo: DOD)


"Raytheon provides enhanced capabilities designed to save the lives of marines," said Michelle Lohmeier, vice president of land systems, Raytheon Missile Systems. "The new tower and thermal imaging systems are able to monitor and navigate in motion, providing better situational awareness. Raytheon also reduced equipment size, providing more space for the crew inside the vehicle."

In April 2012, the US Marine Corps signed a contract with Raytheon to develop and integrate an anti-tank weapon system for four LAV-AT infantry fighting vehicles. The LAV-AT modernization program is intended to replace the aging original system, the M901 Emerson turret, which has already been discontinued and removed from the US Army inventory. Along with the turret installed on the vehicle, the TOW M220A3 system was also replaced by the SABER M41 system, which is already used in infantry and tank battalions of the marines. According to the program, 118 anti-tank weapons systems (ATWS) will be purchased, four of which are currently at the stage of testing serial production technology. All four vehicles will be tested later this year. Test operation will begin at the end of 2014.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 29 October 2013 08: 40
    +3
    Good TOW missiles.
    When will we have an analog of Javelin appear already?
    How much to wait?
    Or will we invent double-barreled RPG-7s with the help of "nanotechnology" and other "innovations"?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 October 2013 08: 53
      0
      citation-Raytheon Corporation has successfully completed the first series of test live firing using the new US Marine Corps LAV-AT light weapon system.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 October 2013 09: 09
      +2
      Firstly, "Tou" against the background not only of the leaders in the construction of the Israelis, but also against the background of the "lagging" Russians, the system is frankly old.

      Secondly, their "Javelin" - "spear" is also not a wunderwaffe. While the system enters the mode, the tanks will already come within the range of the RPG
      1. Professor
        29 October 2013 09: 28
        -3
        Quote: Spade
        Firstly, "Tou" against the background not only of the leaders in the construction of the Israelis, but also against the background of the "lagging" Russians, the system is frankly old.

        This "old" system is constantly being modernized. There was a modernization program to "fire-forget". And the main thing from the new Tou, for example, in Russia, not a single tank is protected.
        ATGM BGM-71 TOW


        Quote: Spade
        Secondly, their "Javelin" - "spear" is also not a wunderwaffe. While the system enters the mode, the tanks will already come within the range of the RPG

        Does gyros spin for half an hour? wink
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 October 2013 09: 34
          0
          Quote: Professor
          There was a modernization program to "fire-forget"

          What for? The missile flies for 5-6 km for 17-20 seconds. Will this help the operator much?
          1. Professor
            29 October 2013 09: 41
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            Quote: Akim
            What for? The missile flies for 5-6 km for 17-20 seconds. Will this help the operator much?

            A tribute to fashion, "homing-rules", but as far as I know, the program was frozen. The TOW-2B is a serious device and is already in service.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 October 2013 10: 07
              +1
              Why is he "serious"? The range of use at the level of Soviet "assaults"? The lack of ASC systems, which even Belarusians are already capable of creating (the country is not very rich and with a not very powerful military-industrial complex) Armor penetration, which they have classified out of shame? Control system by wire, and the associated low speed? Need to use a laser rangefinder that Shtora reacts to?
              1. Professor
                29 October 2013 10: 27
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                Why is he "serious"? The range of use at the level of Soviet "assaults"? The lack of ASC systems, which even Belarusians are already capable of creating (the country is not very rich and with a not very powerful military-industrial complex) Armor penetration, which they have classified out of shame? Control system by wire, and the associated low speed? Need to use a laser rangefinder that Shtora reacts to?

                By the fact that any tank will burn with its shock poisons. The control system by wire is gone. It is not necessary to use a laser range meter either - impact balls. "Curtain" is sleeping peacefully.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 October 2013 10: 48
                  0
                  A wunderwaffe "shock core" from which there is no escape?
                  The control system is by wire. Therefore, in the ass of the rocket there are not laser receivers, but xenon and IR headlights. And therefore the system is perfectly jammed by "Shtoy"

                  Quote: Professor
                  It is not necessary to use a laser range meter either - impact balls. "Curtain" is sleeping peacefully.

                  A laser rangefinder is mounted on the rocket itself to ensure that these impact nuclei are fired. And it radiates in continuous mode. And therefore "Shtora" does not sleep, it blinds this sensor and, most importantly, the launcher guidance equipment. That leads to the failure of guidance, "a serious rocket puts the rudders on pitch-up, takes off to a height of about a hundred meters and self-destructs there.

                  A meanwhile launcher gets a present in the form of a tank ATGM. She does not have the means to prevent this.
                  1. Professor
                    29 October 2013 11: 20
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                    Quote: Spade
                    A wunderwaffe "shock core" from which there is no escape?

                    Enlighten what salvation?

                    Quote: Spade
                    The control system is by wire.

                    Materiel. There are no wires in the TOW-2B RF, even though the letter W remains in the navigation.

                    Quote: Spade
                    A laser rangefinder stands on the rocket itself to ensure the operation of these shock nuclei.

                    Materiel. There is no laser rangefinder on the rocket itself. It has a contactless fuse.

                    ATGM TOW 2B
                    The BGM-71F (TOW-2B) was also based on the BGM-71D model and is designed to defeat armored vehicles in its most vulnerable upper part. TOW-2B is equipped with a new modified warhead with a double cumulative charge, the action of which is directed at an angle to the longitudinal axis of the rocket and a dual-mode remote fuse developed by Thales Missile Electronics. The fuse includes a laser profilometer and a magnetic sensor. Aerojet warheads are detonated by a missile flying over a target. In fact, the target is hit by the strike core. The missile in appearance resembles a TOW 2A, but without a retractable bow rod and is equipped with two tantalum warheads of a directed explosion. Detonation of warheads occurs simultaneously, the action of one is directed downward, and the other with a slight shift to ensure a greater probability of destruction. The material of the warheads is selected to create a pyrophoric (self-igniting) effect in a damaged target.


                    Quote: Spade
                    A meanwhile launcher gets a present in the form of a tank ATGM. She does not have the means to prevent this.

                    Materiel. No irradiation and not "detected".
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 29 October 2013 12: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Enlighten what salvation?

                      For example, dynamic protection "Knife"

                      Quote: Professor
                      Materiel. There are no wires in the TOW-2B RF, even though the letter W remains in the navigation.

                      Well, give me this, this materiel. And then I only found TOW-2B Aero RF, and, as the name implies, it is not used from ground-based launchers. Moreover, it is not with laser beam guidance, but with a radio command guidance system, is not it?


                      Quote: Professor
                      Materiel. There is no laser rangefinder on the rocket itself. It has a contactless fuse.

                      Materiel. A laser rangefinder stands in the nose of a rocket, supplementing it with a magnetic or magnetic-IR sensor between two charges


                      Quote: Professor
                      Materiel. No irradiation and not "detected".

                      Just the materiel says that irradiation, notching and destruction are available
                      1. Professor
                        29 October 2013 12: 41
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                        Quote: Spade
                        For example, dynamic protection "Knife"


                        Does she work in tandem ammunition?


                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, give me this, this materiel. And then I only found TOW-2B Aero RF, and, as the name implies, it is not used from ground-based launchers. Moreover, it is not with laser beam guidance, but with a radio command guidance system, is not it?

                        You are not careful. I have already posted here a link to the article "my beloved." I wonder how you understood from the title that "it is not used from ground-based launchers"? You got it wrong. It is, of course, not guided by the laser beam, and therefore the "Shtora" is resting as I said earlier.
                        http://topwar.ru/10626-ptrk-bgm-71-tow.html


                        Quote: Spade
                        Materiel. A laser rangefinder stands in the nose of a rocket, supplementing it with a magnetic or magnetic-IR sensor between two charges

                        You are joking? There is no laser rangefinder and there is no need for it from there. There is a laser profilometer, but this is a completely different device and the "Shtora" is resting again.


                        Quote: Spade
                        Just the materiel says that irradiation, notching and destruction are available

                        There is no radiation there towards the target. The profiler irradiates the target only when flying over it. "Curtain" is sleeping.

                        PS
                        Is this really going to be the first time that you admit that you are not right? wink
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2013 16: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Does she work in tandem ammunition?

                        Yeah. She even works on "crowbars".


                        Quote: Professor
                        You are not careful. I have already posted here a link to the article "my beloved."

                        I apologize, but your article contains a complete game, how regrettable it is. About a missile with radio command guidance, which is "compatible with the launchers in service" This does not happen.

                        Quote: Professor
                        You are joking? There is no laser rangefinder there and why not from there.

                        Okay, here I agree.
                      3. Professor
                        29 October 2013 17: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Yeah. She even works on "crowbars".

                        I read about crowbars, but about tandem it is not written anywhere. Will you put it in 2 layers? wink

                        Quote: Spade
                        I apologize, but your article contains a complete game, how regrettable it is. About a missile with radio command guidance, which is "compatible with the launchers in service" This does not happen.

                        In vain you are so on the author, he tried. repeat The launcher does not need modernization; the same tube. A small radiocommunication unit is added in traveling conditions ...

                        Quote: Spade
                        Okay, here I agree.

                        Can not be. Lopatov admitted that he was not wrong? This does not happen.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 18
                        0
                        Launcher needs to change control equipment and install a directional antenna. And this apparatus is not small.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Can not be. Lopatov admitted that he was not wrong? This does not happen.

                        I always admit. when not right. And here, by the way, is not your merit. I myself found a photo of the rocket and saw where the emitter was directed.
                      5. Professor
                        29 October 2013 17: 25
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Launcher needs to change control equipment and install a directional antenna. And this apparatus is not small.

                        Do you have a photo of him?

                        Quote: Spade
                        I always admit. when not right. And here, by the way, is not your merit. I myself found a photo of the rocket and saw where the emitter was directed.

                        "Always" is the first time in my memory, and certainly not my merit. Where should I go?
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 36
                        0
                        Look at the face of "Sturm". The box above the sight is an antenna.
                      7. Professor
                        29 October 2013 17: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Look at the face of "Sturm". The box above the sight is an antenna.

                        So we kind of talk about TOW ....
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 50
                        +1
                        That's the problem - you need to find the image of the installation with a directional antenna, and provide it. Because I have not met such. Therefore, I doubt the existence of such a ground installation.
                      9. Professor
                        29 October 2013 17: 56
                        0
                        Will go?

                        Another development of the TOW 2B Aero, the wireless TOW 2B RF is in production. TOW 2B RF is modified with a one-way, stealthy radio-frequency command link which dispenses with the wire link and gives a range of 4.5km. The system is compatible with current launchers.

                        Because the wireless system is built into the missile and the missile case, the wireless TOW works with existing launch platforms - including the Improved Target Acquisition System, Improved Bradley Acquisition Subsystem, TOW 2 Subsystem and M220 Ground TOW.
                        TOW-ER
                      10. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 08
                        +3
                        Well? The installation is completely different. Which, in fact, was required to prove.
                        The Americans have almost reached the level of the Soviet "Sturm-S" I'm glad for them. You have proven the existence of Tou with a radio command.
                      11. Professor
                        29 October 2013 18: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Well? The installation is completely different. Which, in fact, was required to prove.

                        You are joking? This gadget (double antenna on top) that the fighter himself in the field clings to the standard installation makes it "completely different"?


                        http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/wsh2012/312.pdf
                        Quote: Spade
                        The existence of the Toe with the radio command you have proven.

                        You made my day. Do you have to prove anything twice? It is unthinkable !!!
                      12. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 24
                        0
                        There is not only this "gadget". You need to redirect the control signal from the contacts to the TPK, which connect the rocket with the control equipment, when wired, to the equipment that generates the radio signal. That is, it is not "any PU", it is a PU, modernized for the possibility of this kind of change.
                      13. Professor
                        29 October 2013 18: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        I'm not just this "gadget". You need to redirect the control signal from the contacts to the TPK, which connect the rocket with the control equipment, when wired, to the equipment that generates the radio signal. That is, it is not "any PU", it is a PU, modernized for the possibility of this kind of change

                        I give you 2 (two) links to where it says about "any" launchers (current launchers, existing launch platforms) and a photo where this module is fastened to a standard launcher (have you ever seen TOW alive? Did you touch me with your hands?), And you give me a gag ...
                        We look and read carefully:
                        Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) Missiles
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 29 October 2013 09: 55
    +2
    Well, in general, logically speaking, any tank with an inhabited tower is vulnerable to TOW, which means EVERYTHING. In the creative, there are active and passive guidance protection systems, so what! Thirdly, the video crap, as it has long been said that the tank was stuffed with explosives and blew up immediately after the explosion of the arcade. The comrade has the same drawbacks, he is very large, for example, an ME cornet based on an armored vehicle carries 8 missiles and a range of 10 km, and the car is far from lit up like a tank in the infrared range. And TOV here are 2 missiles, with manual reloading of the pass.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 October 2013 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: CruorVult
      For example, an ME cornet based on an armored vehicle carries 8 missiles and a range of 10 km, and the car is far from illuminated like a tank in the infrared range.

      In my opinion this is an advertisement. The line of sight to the horizon from the tank tower is 6-7 km. With a human height of 4,5 km. Or did Cornet shoot a canopy?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 October 2013 10: 17
        0
        And in the mountains? There ranges and more are possible.
        1. Akim
          Akim 29 October 2013 10: 22
          0
          Quote: Spade
          ora?

          In the mountains, and all 30 or more. You know better of course. But there it was not stated that such a firing at the ATGM (s) at the entrance to the hill.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 October 2013 10: 51
            +1
            There is simply a fundamental possibility of launches at such a range.
            1. Professor
              29 October 2013 11: 21
              0
              Quote: Spade
              There is simply a fundamental possibility of launches at such a range.

              There is a possibility of launches, there are practically no hits.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 12: 12
                0
                Do you have statistics on test launches of the Kornet, if I understood correctly?
                1. Professor
                  29 October 2013 12: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  Do you have statistics on test launches of the Kornet, if I understood correctly?

                  You know that I have a Zeiss spyglass and even in it at a distance of 10 km there’s no way to make out a tank, but there’s no chance of getting into it.
                2. Prohor
                  Prohor 29 October 2013 12: 55
                  +1
                  Oh! We were taught at the military department that a person with the naked eye is able to see a windmill at a distance of 15 km. Maybe wipe the eyepiece of the pipe? wink
                3. Professor
                  29 October 2013 12: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Prokhor
                  Oh! We were taught at the military department that a person with the naked eye is able to see a windmill at a distance of 15 km. Maybe wipe the eyepiece of the pipe? wink

                  And you did not specify the diameter of this mill? wink Optics is my weakness and the eyepieces on it are perfectly clean.
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 16: 43
                +1
                And what is her multiplicity, do not tell me?
              3. Professor
                29 October 2013 16: 50
                -1
                Already told, x20 (up to x60).
              4. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 22
                +1
                And nothing is visible? And if you had not optics, but a high-resolution video camera?
              5. Professor
                29 October 2013 17: 33
                0
                Quote: Spade
                And nothing is visible? And if you had not optics, but a high-resolution video camera?

                At x20 in fine weather, a tank can be seen on a white PCB, but what kind of tank cannot be dismantled and most importantly, the mark cannot be kept on it. Do not tell tales. On x60 the situation is better but with the same problem label, even worse, vibration. There are generally problems with the camcorder. I can paint the reason at my leisure.
              6. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 37
                0
                The fact is that the "Kornet-D" shooting at 10 km has no optics, a high-resolution television sight.
              7. Professor
                29 October 2013 17: 44
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                The fact is that the "Kornet-D" shooting at 10 km has no optics, a high-resolution television sight.

                Then generally the pipe business. No matrix can compare with the human eye and optics still stand there. There are no miracles.
              8. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 53
                -1
                Are you trying to deny the existence of optical reconnaissance satellites?
              9. Professor
                29 October 2013 18: 07
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Are you trying to deny the existence of optical reconnaissance satellites?

                Uh, where did you get carried away. We chewed on this topic here too and for a very long time. The El-Op container suspended on the F-16 distinguishes the tank from a distance of 50 km. This container alone costs more than a million dollars, and the satellite's optical system costs tens of millions. The optics of the Cornet are "shirpotrebovskaya" and tiny.
              10. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 14
                0
                Are we talking about different "cornet"? 10 km. self-propelled shoots, which are still on "Tigers". He does not shoot from a tripod at 10.
  • Professor
    29 October 2013 10: 24
    -1
    Quote: CruorVult
    Well, in general, logically speaking, any tank with an inhabited tower is vulnerable to TOW, which means EVERYTHING.

    All on which there is no KAZ.

    In the creative, there are active and passive guidance protection systems, so what!

    Active defense systems are armed exclusively with the bourgeoisie, and passive protection against TOW is not very effective.

    Thirdly, the video crap, as it has long been said that the tank was stuffed with explosives and blew up immediately after the explosion of the arcade.

    We have seen enough of this "get on" in Syria and how the ammunition detonates in the T-72

    The comrade has the same drawbacks, he is very large, for example, an ME cornet based on an armored vehicle carries 8 missiles and a range of 10 km, and the car is far from lit up like a tank in the infrared range.

    TOW drag on themselves and his PU infantrymen for dozens of kilometers on a march.

    Quote: Spade
    There was a program. But she didn’t lead to anything. Simple rockets with a firing range of 4 with a penny km. In a portable form it is hardly applicable, the launch is painfully heavy.

    Led to the creation of Griffin. I wrote about carrying.

    GOS 30 seconds cool

    I’ll check, but even if this is so, the tank is not a fighter, it will not fly far.

    Quote: CruorVult
    What in general, I shot and forgot, one figs need to be highlighted, it’s either the operator is holding a mark or a machine. ranges increase all the time, and now the cornet 10km flies, 10km usually will no longer be in direct line of sight, the equipment, infantry or other equipment should be highlighted for anybody. Automation should be no other way.

    Cornet of the second generation where illumination is needed, in the third generation of the seeker is induced without illumination.
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 October 2013 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Cornet of the second generation where illumination is needed, in the third generation of the seeker is induced without illumination.

      Prof. Neither Russian, nor Brazilian, nor Ukrainian ATGMs are illuminated, but are controlled by a laser beam. In principle, there is a backlight, but at the final section of the approach in milliseconds.
      1. Professor
        29 October 2013 11: 16
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Prof. Neither Russian, nor Brazilian, nor Ukrainian ATGMs are illuminated, but are controlled by a laser beam. In principle, there is a backlight, but at the final section of the approach in milliseconds.

        You are mistaken. The backlight goes on at the initial stage. To make a mini slide, you need to know the distance to the target accurately and the laser range finder perfectly illuminates the PU.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 October 2013 12: 15
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          No mini-slides. The missile initially goes in excess. The system in battle simply does not pay attention to the weak power pulse of the laser rangefinder. This is not a constant backlight, like Toe
          1. Professor
            29 October 2013 12: 48
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            No mini-slides. The missile initially goes in excess.

            This excess is a "mini-slide" and the rocket needs to know exactly when to return from this excess and accordingly know the distance to the target.

            Quote: Spade
            The system in battle simply does not pay attention to the weak power pulse of the laser rangefinder.

            You are in a blow today. Do not notice? Do they look at him with binoculars? This is done by an automatic system that squeaks like crazy and in Merkava, for example, automatically turns the tower in the direction of the radiation source ...

            Quote: Spade
            This is not a constant backlight, like Toe

            The TOW-2B has no backlight at all. Materiel.
        2. Akim
          Akim 29 October 2013 15: 06
          0
          Quote: Professor
          The backlight goes on at the initial stage.

          The initial guidance is only optical. You forgot that there are passive rangefinders. The missile then immediately leaves in excess. The laser rangefinder on the PU turns on only at the moment of diving.
          1. Professor
            29 October 2013 15: 15
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            The initial guidance is only optical. The missile then immediately leaves in excess. The laser rangefinder on the PU turns on only at the moment of diving.

            How do you imagine that? How does the rocket know what distance to the target and when to begin to dive, after 500 meters or 5000 meters?
            1. Akim
              Akim 29 October 2013 15: 30
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              Quote: Professor
              How does the rocket know what distance to the target and when to begin to dive, after 500 meters or 5000 meters?

              From the same laser rangefinder. 1,5 meters above the target is not a big height to go into mode. And how did an IT-1 rocket fly in excess when it still didn't smell like laser rangefinders?
              1. Professor
                29 October 2013 15: 45
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                So, if there is a rangefinder, then the information from it is especially useful before or directly when launching a rocket. And when he will determine this distance at 500 meters, he will light up elementarily. Otherwise, it is not needed. request
              2. Akim
                Akim 29 October 2013 16: 00
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                Quote: Professor
                And when he will determine this distance at 500 meters, he will light up elementarily. Otherwise, it is not needed.

                Again. Do you have a SLR camera? (I do not, but I know the principle). There is a primitive rangefinder. It will determine the range to the object with an error. To avoid this error, the laser range finder is turned on at the last stage. The error is small in parallax determination,
              3. Professor
                29 October 2013 16: 11
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                Quote: Akim
                Again. Do you have a SLR camera? (I do not, but I know the principle). There is a primitive rangefinder. It will determine the range to the object with an error. To avoid this error, the laser range finder is turned on at the last stage. The error is small in parallax determination,

                If you know the principle, then you should know that the "SLR" is no longer able to distinguish up to an object of 50 or 100 meters. And this is due to the fact that the distance between the "windows" is very small and the alignment method gives a large error. In order to accurately determine the distance to the target without a laser, it is necessary to use such rangefinders.




                So, in order for the rocket to return to the "true path" in time and, God forbid, did not fly over, it is necessary to know the distance to the target at the initial stage of the trajectory.
              4. Akim
                Akim 29 October 2013 16: 25
                +1
                Prof, you showed the compasses. Of course, this is not a comparison. And I repeat again. Missiles flew in excess in the late 60s. True three kilometers. But this is a technical time limit.
              5. Professor
                29 October 2013 16: 34
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                Quote: Akim
                Prof, you showed the compasses. Of course, this is not a comparison. And I repeat again. Missiles flew in excess in the late 60s. True three kilometers. But this is a technical time limit.

                Back to the Cornet, IMHO range finder gives the position of the operator at the very beginning of the shooting. After irradiation of the target is terminated.
              6. Akim
                Akim 29 October 2013 16: 43
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Back to the Cornet

                I do not know the principle of Cornet himself.
                Although there is a converse principle. Here you can see in the video about Combat.
                As for exposure. The laser wavelength is also different. Here is the first Curtain did not detect radiation from anti-tank systems Milan.
              7. Professor
                29 October 2013 16: 52
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                Quote: Akim
                Here you can see in the video about Combat.

                And here it is 100% necessary to know the distance to the target and this is achieved by a laser range finder.
              8. Akim
                Akim 29 October 2013 17: 01
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                and this is achieved by a laser rangefinder.

                Fuf, how hard it is with you. Always follow the principle: just to argue. It feels like you are sitting in that design bureau and you know the principle. They said that the laser irradiates intact only in the final section.
              9. Professor
                29 October 2013 17: 12
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                Quote: Akim
                Fuf, how hard it is with you. Always follow the principle: just to argue. It feels like you are sitting in that design bureau and you know the principle. They said that the laser irradiates intact only in the final section.

                Well dumb me fool I just can not understand how you can launch a rocket without directly at the target without knowing the distance to the target, while only after a couple of thousand meters check this distance in order to threaten the target. And if it's too late? And the most interesting thing is that no one can decompose such an "ingenious" algorithm to me - it's a state secret.
              10. Akim
                Akim 29 October 2013 17: 23
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                I just can’t understand how you can launch a rocket not directly on target

                And how does a sniper with SVD determine the distance to the target?
                A rocket flies above the line of sight. those. in optical mode, the target is always visible. This then comes the combination of two light fields. (laser and optical).
              11. Professor
                29 October 2013 17: 36
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                And how does a sniper with SVD determine the distance to the target?
                A rocket flies above the line of sight. those. in optical mode, the target is always visible. This then comes the combination of two light fields. (laser and optical).

                In my youth at DOSAF I was engaged in bench firing. Tell how the sniper determines the distance to the target? By the way, now laser rangefinders and in sniper sights are standing.
                Regarding Cornet, let's leave this lesson, otherwise I see you are drifting. Let it be that it does not highlight AT ALL.
              12. Akim
                Akim 29 October 2013 17: 54
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Let it be that it does not highlight AT ALL.

                those who played the army know how without a net you can use a matchbox and use your fingers to determine the range. This is not the point. I just don’t understand, as you don’t understand, that a laser range finder (such a toftology) is not the only means for determining the range. Although more precisely it really is nothing.
              13. Professor
                29 October 2013 18: 08
                0
                Quote: Akim
                You don’t understand that a laser rangefinder (such a toftology) is not the only means for determining the range.

                You can measure the distance in steps, but Cornet uses a laser rangefinder without irradiating the target. Here he is !!! laughing
              14. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 10
                0
                Not the only one. With the necessary accuracy, the range can also be measured using radar.
            2. Abracadabra
              Abracadabra 30 October 2013 03: 18
              -1
              Well, maybe a second counts? The approximate distance means so many seconds .., then it is highlighted ..
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 39
            0
            Laser rangefinder measure range. And most likely, more than once, to estimate the speed of the goal.
          3. Professor
            29 October 2013 17: 44
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Laser rangefinder measure range. And most likely, more than once, to estimate the speed of the goal.

            And I’m talking about this, but the PU is glowing.
          4. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 58
            0
            Not too much. Like all other laser rangefinders used in a variety of ways on the battlefield. Or it may not light up if it receives external target designation. For example, from "Commander"
          5. Professor
            29 October 2013 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Not much.

            And in numbers, how much is it not strong? Aiming on a laser beam of the type burns through the armor, but here "not much".
            When illuminating the target, the signal does not have to be of such power to return to the irradiator. The main thing is that his GOS would capture the missile, and it is much closer to the target than the irradiator. But the rangefinder signal should return to the emitter. And where do you think the signal should be more powerful? In my opinion the answer is clear.
          6. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 27
            0
            The issue is time, not power.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 16: 23
    +1
    I dare to argue "Stugna-P" there is no rangefinder in the complex - the excess over the line of sight, return to the line as far as my memory serves 20-30 meters to the target, the target is not highlighted during the entire shot cycle.
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 16: 30
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      I dare to argue "Stugna-P" there is no rangefinder in the complex - the excess over the line of sight, return to the line as far as my memory serves 20-30 meters to the target, the target is not highlighted during the entire shot cycle.

      ... but it is highlighted at the initial stage, otherwise how do you know when these 20-30 meters will come? request
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 30
      0
      As far as I know, only ATGMs equipped with PN-S fire with excess. And there is a rangefinder in it. As well as on "Cornet"
  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra 30 October 2013 03: 03
    -2
    Who said that the tank was stuffed with explosives? I doubt if I saw the launch of TOV2 in Afghanistan, at x km and the explosion resembled a small nuclear bomb .. In about the same way, a tank filled with ammunition projectile charges + explodes with fuel. In Russia, there are still no "Fire and Forget" missiles or attacking from above, so it's good to show off right away.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 29 October 2013 09: 56
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    This "old" system is constantly being modernized. There was a modernization program to "fire-forget". And the main thing from the new Tou, for example, in Russia, not a single tank is protected.

    There was a program. But she didn’t lead to anything. Simple rockets with a firing range of 4 with a penny km. In a portable form it is hardly applicable, the launch is painfully heavy.

    Quote: Professor
    Does gyros spin for half an hour?

    GOS 30 seconds cool
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 29 October 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Until the system enters mode, the tanks will already fit the distance of using RPGs

    In a minute? And the accuracy of any RPG is inferior to the accuracy of ATGMs.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 October 2013 10: 35
      0
      Let's remember the epic "battle of special forces with a tank column" that is always remembered when it comes to the unparalleled "Javelin" in the world.

      When the American Humvees stuck in at an intersection, finding themselves under low-aimed fire from T-55s with inexperienced crews, they first honestly tried to smack these tanks. They honestly waited 30 seconds to cool the seeker, honestly tried to mark the target with command devices, but due to the low thermal contrast of the tanks standing in place (less than 1 degree Fahrenheit), they could not do this, and piled over the hills.
      In general, in this battle with Javelins, they destroyed 2 MT-LB and two trucks.

      All tanks on the account of aviation. Which in the process of their destruction at the same time covered the Kurdish allies with the result of 16 killed and 40 wounded from 200 militants
      1. Professor
        29 October 2013 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Let's remember the epic "battle of special forces with a tank column" that is always remembered when it comes to the unparalleled "Javelin" in the world.

        Are we in the "Soldier Bikes" section? wink
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 October 2013 10: 54
          0
          No, we are in the section "Unmatched in the world American wunderwaffe, hitting any target at any range"
          1. Professor
            29 October 2013 11: 22
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            No, we are in the section "Unmatched in the world American wunderwaffe, hitting any target at any range"

            Let's facts and equipment, not tales and rumors.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 October 2013 12: 18
              0
              This is actually a fact. Do you have another description of this landmark battle?
              1. Professor
                29 October 2013 12: 49
                0
                Quote: Spade
                This is actually a fact. Do you have another description of this landmark battle?

                Throw off a pliz a reference to this fact.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 27
                  0
                  I can not find. Links are broken. Look for yourself, you are clearly better in English than me.
                  1. Professor
                    29 October 2013 17: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    I can not find. Links are broken. Look for yourself, you are clearly better in English than me.

                    I was looking in English, I did not find anything like it.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 00
                    0
                    So I read in English as far as possible. Someone gave me these two links.
    2. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 30 October 2013 04: 10
      -1
      Quote: Spade
      Let's remember the epic "battle of special forces with a tank column" that is always remembered when it comes to the unparalleled "Javelin" in the world.


      Let's! Here’s what I found on this episode, I’ll translate from German:

      Informationen über die Leistungsfähigkeit und Grenzen der Javelin erhält man auch aus der Auswertung realer Einsätze. Ein Beispiel hierfür ist ein Gefecht im Nordirak vom 6.April 2003.
      Während der Operation “Northern Safari” war der zwischen Arbil (auch: Irbil, Erbil) und Makhmur liegende Debacka-Pass Welt-Icon durch die 4. Irakische Infanteriedivision besetzt. Diesen wollten drei Züge der Special Forces zusammen mit weiterer Unterstützung einnehmen. Die US-Spezialeinheiten waren mit leichten Fahrzeugen Fast Attack Vehicle (Wüstenbuggy) und leichten Waffen, unter anderem der Javelin, ausgerüstet.
      Nach einem ersten Gefecht wurde ein Lkw durch einen Javelin-Lenkflugkörper zerstört. Dabei lag die Zielentfernung bei ungefähr 3.000 m, also 1000 m über der Einsatzreichweite. Kurze Zeit später näherten sich irakische MT-LB Schützenpanzer, Kampfpanzer T-55 und Lastkraftwagen. Die Special Forces zerstörten innerhalb weniger Minuten drei Schützenpanzer und zwei Lastkraftwagen. Nachdem eine Javelin zudem einen T-55 zerstörte, zogen sich die anderen vier Kampfpanzer in vorbereitete Stellungen zurück. Dort konnten sie hinter Erdwällen nicht bekämpft werden, da hier keine Erfassung mit Infrarotgeräten möglich war. Die Amerikaner konzentrierten sich auf die noch immer angreifenden Schützenpanzer und zerstörten zwei weitere. Als irakisches Artilleriefeuer einsetzte, verlegten die Amerikaner die Stellung und griffen erneut an. Die verbliebenen drei Schützenpanzer und ein Lastkraftwagen wurden daraufhin zerstört. Luftunterstützung zwang die Iraker nun zum Rückzug. Dabei wurde ein T-55 auf eine Entfernung von 3.700 m durch eine Javelin zerstört, also auf eine Entfernung, die 1.700 m über der angegebenen Einsatzreichweite liegt.
      Damit hatten die Soldaten mit 19 gestarteten Javelin-Flugkörpern insgesamt zwei Kampfpanzer, acht Schützenpanzer und vier Armeelastwagen zerstört. „[Dieses Beispiel] zeigt, dass im Notfall auch ein motorisiertes Element mit leichter Ausrüstung / Ausstattung und leichter, aber gut abgestimmter Bewaffnung fähig ist, sich gegen einen schwer bewaffneten mechanisierten Feind ergidgen.

      In short, a short translation: Americans, 3 companies, on light buggies and with light weapons, also the Yavelins came across the 4th infantry motto. The Iraqi truck from Yavelin was immediately destroyed at a distance of 3000m, which is 1000m further than its combat distance. After some time, the Iraqi MT-LB, BMP, T-55 and trucks approached the fighters. In a few minutes, 3 infantry fighting vehicles and 2 trucks were destroyed. When one T-55 was destroyed, the other 4 moved back to the previously prepared fortifications. They could not be destroyed there, since the infrared sight did not take them beyond the sand hills. the Americans then switched to still attacking the BMP and destroyed another 2. As soon as the Iraqi artillery began shelling their positions, the Americans changed their position and again attacked, destroying the last 3 BMPs and 2 trucks. By this time, air support arrived and forced the Iraqis to retreat. At the same time, Yavelin managed to destroy another T-3700 from a distance of 55 m, 1700 m outside the combat distance. With these same 19 launches Yavelina managed to destroy 2 tanks, 8 infantry fighting vehicles, 4 trucks. This example proved that infantry in light, weakly protected vehicles, armed with only light weapons and ATGMs, can successfully resist a heavily armored enemy.
    3. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 30 October 2013 04: 12
      -1
      They weren't Humvees, but buggies .. And where did the information come from that the T-55 crews were inexperienced ?? :)
  • Akim
    Akim 29 October 2013 09: 31
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    Good TOW missiles.
    When will we have an analog of Javelin appear already?

    The question is not understood. In general, these are different systems. And do we need ATGMs with the "fire-forget" function? Not the same range as air-to-air missiles
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 29 October 2013 10: 08
      0
      What in general, I shot and forgot, one figs need to be highlighted, it’s either the operator is holding a mark or a machine. ranges increase all the time, and now the cornet 10km flies, 10km usually will no longer be in direct line of sight, the equipment, infantry or other equipment should be highlighted for anybody. Automation should be no other way.
      1. Abracadabra
        Abracadabra 30 October 2013 03: 43
        -1
        No, do not highlight anything. Yavelin has such garbage as on digital cameras, which determines the head / face (a square), here, aiming, the rocket took the tank, or the bunker into such a square and that's it, you can start and bring down. Moreover, if the tank begins to move, the rocket will pursue it. There is still the opportunity to shoot from behind cover, having pulled out only the sight, and the head can remain under the protection of the wall and there is the possibility of destruction from above, then the rocket rises to 160m. I read somewhere that it is possible to control a rocket using the built-in camera, but I can’t vouch for it or not.
        1. Akim
          Akim 30 October 2013 05: 41
          0
          Quote: Abra Kadabra
          I read somewhere that it is possible to control a rocket using the built-in camera, but I can’t vouch for it or not.

          There is even a video on a similar topic. It can be controlled like that.
        2. Professor
          30 October 2013 11: 40
          0
          Quote: Abra Kadabra
          I read somewhere that it is possible to control a rocket using the built-in camera, but I can’t vouch for it or not.

          There is no such possibility on Javelin, he shot-forgot. There is such an opportunity on Spike.
  • Tyvinec
    Tyvinec 29 October 2013 10: 09
    -2
    Yes, this is garbage, I do not know why, but to me these LOVES were always funny. Iron on wheels, no grace. And the javelins too, on YouTube there are already thousands of vidosiks with these javelins, look at your leisure :)
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 29 October 2013 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Professor
    We have seen enough of this "get on" in Syria and how the ammunition detonates in the T-72

    um, well, it’ll burn out for sure, but it’s a fake video because a second explosion is visible, and the Americans themselves admitted that they were showing up. I personally confirm that TOW is crap, but like everything he has a lot of his own shortcomings. In general, kanencho to hit an ebony is a great idea, but with a missile, the size of the rocket itself becomes more apparent, since it is necessary to provide a downward blow. Sweet pluses - their minuses. And I think I think the Kaz will slowly and unaware, especially since the real experience is with us and the Israeli developers, who also deliver the Amers to the Abrams, the rest still have some raw stuff.
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: CruorVult
      Well, well, it’ll burn out for sure, but it’s a fake video since a second explosion is visible, and the Americans themselves admitted that they were showing up.

      Sometimes it burns out, and sometimes it detonates so much that the tower is carried away farther than on "my" video. The video is not fake and the Americans have never admitted anything like that.

      Quote: CruorVult
      I personally confirm that TOW is crap, but like everything he has a lot of his own shortcomings. In general, kanencho to hit an ebony is a great idea, but with a missile, the size of the rocket itself becomes more apparent, since it is necessary to provide a downward blow.

      There is no ideal weapon, but the TOW-2B rocket is no larger than its ancestors.

      Quote: CruorVult
      And I think I think the Kaz will slowly and unaware, especially since the real experience is with us and the Israeli developers, who also deliver the Amers to the Abrams, the rest still have some raw stuff.

      Who leaves KAZ to the Abrams? By the way, the USA was the first to make the KAZ tank, I already posted the photo.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 October 2013 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Sometimes it burns out, and sometimes it detonates so much that the tower is carried away farther than on "my" video. The video is not fake and the Americans have never admitted anything like that.

        I have not heard that ATGMs were tested on tanks with loaded ammunition. The whole point of the test is lost. And if you need a commercial, then upload to the BB tank is much more efficient and cheaper.
        1. Professor
          29 October 2013 12: 52
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          I have not heard that ATGMs were tested on tanks with loaded ammunition. The whole point of the test is lost. And if you need a commercial, then upload to the BB tank is much more efficient and cheaper.

          Tested on both empty and "full".
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 13
            0
            What for? To not see the results?
            1. Professor
              30 October 2013 11: 41
              0
              Quote: Spade
              What for? To not see the results?

              On the contrary, to see how this tank reacts to the tested ammunition.
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 29 October 2013 12: 19
    0
    Quote: Akim
    In my opinion this is an advertisement. The line of sight to the horizon from the tank tower is 6-7 km. With a human height of 4,5 km. Or did Cornet shoot a canopy?

    An Israeli tour can hit with its tip and on a stranger from a closed position, a range of up to 8,5 km. If the root is written 10, I think the system is the same, by someone else's flare. I do not see any problems.
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: CruorVult
      An Israeli tour can hit with its tip and on a stranger from a closed position, a range of up to 8,5 km. If the root is written 10, I think the system is the same, by someone else's flare. I do not see any problems.

      Educational program. The Israeli ATGM "sees" from the missile itself, and the closer it is to the target, the better it sees. Cornet "sees" exclusively from the PU and the closer to the target, the worse it sees. Feel the difference.
  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 29 October 2013 12: 40
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Who leaves KAZ to the Abrams? By the way, the USA was the first to make the KAZ tank, I already posted the photo.

    read that the Abrams just put the Israeli kaz. But the video was shot in Iraq outside the battle, erased by Toyem standing up at the same tank, the same heap of writing about it was there, and indeed what difference does it make if it arrives to the crew it is all the same to survive, the one and only water fur, if you're lucky.
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 12: 54
      0
      Quote: CruorVult
      read that the Abrams just put the Israeli kaz. But the video was shot in Iraq outside the battle, erased by Toyem standing up at the same tank, the same heap of writing about it was there, and indeed what difference does it make if it arrives to the crew it is all the same to survive, the one and only water fur, if you're lucky.

      No, they don’t.
      You look at the views around. Well, what kind of Iraq is this?
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  • Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 29 October 2013 13: 04
    0
    Quote: Professor
    No, they don’t. You look at the views around. Well, what kind of Iraq is this?

    And I see, the trophy is delivered but not on the abrams.
    Also, the Stryker 8-wheeled combat vehicle equipped with Trophy has been tested in the United States in support of the Sheriff Project or the FSEP (Full Protection Against Nuclear Weapon Defense Platform). In 2005, Americans chose Trophy as the active defense of the FSEP.

    The system finally entered production in 2007, when the reloading mechanisms and full integration with combat platforms were established. The Trophy active protection system is installed on Israeli tanks "Merkava" Mk 4, thereby increasing their protection against anti-tank weapons. Also, this KAZ can be installed in a mounted configuration on lightly armored vehicles like Stryker
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 16: 35
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Forestman
    I dare to argue "Stugna-P" there is no rangefinder in the complex - the excess over the line of sight, return to the line as far as my memory serves 20-30 meters to the target, the target is not highlighted during the entire shot cycle.

    ... but it is highlighted at the initial stage, otherwise how do you know when these 20-30 meters will come? request

    And this, sorry, is a commercial secret of the Luch Design Bureau wink
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 16: 53
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      And this, sorry, is a commercial secret of the Luch Design Bureau

      You don’t have to be a professor to figure out how it works. laughing
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 16: 54
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Forestman
    And this, sorry, is a commercial secret of the Luch Design Bureau

    You don’t have to be a professor to figure out how it works. laughing

    I am sincerely glad for you smile
    I said THE GOAL IS NOT LIGHTED DURING THE WHOLE CYCLE
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 16: 56
      +1
      Quote: Forestman
      I am sincerely glad for you

      mutually drinks
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 10
    0
    Quote: Spade
    There is simply a fundamental possibility of launches at such a range.

    Feel free to ask how? Mounted tanks for petur? Funny !!!
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 17: 14
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      Feel free to ask how? Mounted tanks for petur? Funny !!!

      You shouldn’t be so. Spike UFOs hits 25 km, and Nimrod 50 km.
      ATGM Nimrod (Nimrod)
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 October 2013 17: 34
      -1
      I don’t know, maybe in Ukraine they are trying to hang tanks for ATGMs, but our KBP does it easier — it improves the engine.
      And about "funny" - figure out what kind of observation device you can shoot with excess.
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 29 October 2013 18: 36
        0
        I have vowed to engage in polemics with you and have repeatedly explained why, so please pretend to not see me! thank you in advance, for my part I will try not to respond to you
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 October 2013 18: 46
          -1
          Maybe at the same time and stop dull?
          If you do not know that an ordinary rocket with a maximum 5500 weighs 29 kg in TPK, a rocket with a maximum of 8000-31 kg, and a rocket with 10000 33 kg, then this does not give you the right to rave about "hanging tanks" and look very stupid. ...

          By the way, about your hobby for minuscule- you would read the rules of the site. You run into someone else, they can complain.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 13
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Spade
    Yeah. She even works on "crowbars".

    I read about crowbars, but about tandem it is not written anywhere. Will you put it in 2 layers? wink

    Take the word "knife" destroys the entire b / n

    Quote: Spade
    Okay, here I agree.

    Can not be. Lopatov admitted that he was not wrong? This does not happen.

    Well, this cannot be in principle. laughing
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 17: 21
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      Take the word "knife" destroys the entire b / n

      No, I won’t believe it. Ammunition is no longer flying, leaving behind the impact cores and not tandem, but two spaced apart.
      Protective devices of dynamic type "Knife"
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 18
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Nimrod

    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Forestman
    Feel free to ask how? Mounted tanks for petur? Funny !!!

    You shouldn’t be so. Spike UFOs hits 25 km, and Nimrod 50 km.

    Not quite correct comparison! You take planning height into account
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 17: 19
      0
      follow the link please.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 28
    0
    Quote: Professor
    follow the link please.

    Went down wink

    The main element of this direction of dynamic protection is a flat explosive charge placed between metal plates, which, after initiation of an explosive by an introduced cumulative jet, rush one towards the other and the other after the jet.

    When approaching a superhigh-speed means of destruction, its cumulative jet (kinetic projectile, shock core) begins to act on one of the main elongated charges, which, having worked, cumulative stream, begins to affect the means of destruction.
    Radiograph of the process of interaction of a cumulative jet of a weapon with several cumulative jets of defense. For maximum efficiency, more than one elongated cumulative charge is triggered, secondary cumulative jets formed by the collapse of the lower parts of the UKZ are also present. It is possible to build protection schemes with the transmission of detonation between the Knife modules.
    Radiograph of the process of interaction of a cumulative jet of a weapon with several cumulative jets of defense. For maximum efficiency, more than one elongated cumulative charge is triggered, secondary cumulative jets formed by the collapse of the lower parts of the UKZ are also present. It is possible to build protection schemes with the transmission of detonation between the Knife modules. To protect against tandem PTS at any meeting angle, including the normal, the Duplet complex developed on the Oplot tank was developed.
    Sory but it says so! Actually I SAW what I'm talking about wink
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 17: 39
      0
      I meant the link to Nimrod.
      Regarding the Knife, I agree when it comes to tandem charges. And here it’s not tandem. The first IHMO will be intercepted by the Knife, and the second will not hit after the first, but from a certain angle.
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 43
        0
        "For the greatest efficiency, it is enough to trigger more than one extended shaped charge, there are also secondary cumulative jets formed by the collapse of the lower parts of the UCZ. POSSIBLE BUILDING protection circuits with the transfer of detonation between the Knife modules.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 37
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Spade
    And nothing is visible? And if you had not optics, but a high-resolution video camera?

    At x20 in fine weather, a tank is visible on a white PCB, but what kind of tank cannot be dismantled and most importantly, there is no way to keep a net on it. Do not tell tales. On x60 the situation is better but with the same problem label, even worse, vibration. There are generally problems with the camcorder. I can paint the reason at my leisure.

    And again, returning to the saying "every sandpiper praises his swamp"
    "Stugna - P" is devoid of the indicated disadvantages fellow
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 17: 47
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      And again, returning to the saying "every sandpiper praises his swamp"
      "Stugna - P" is devoid of the indicated disadvantages

      I’m not praising anything except my own telescope. Describe the principle of operation of this beautiful system devoid of these shortcomings.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 17: 49
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Forestman
    And again, returning to the saying "every sandpiper praises his swamp"
    "Stugna - P" is devoid of the indicated disadvantages

    I’m not praising anything except my own telescope. Describe the principle of operation of this beautiful system devoid of these shortcomings.

    Rigid carriage, TV monitor wink
    Okay Prof. I won’t distract you from cutting Lapatov laughing
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 18: 03
      0
      Request, respond to the comment in the thread, not its end. So the thread is lost.

      Quote: Forestman
      Rigid carriage

      It won’t help, the target moves, they shoot around ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 18: 05
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Request, respond to the comment in the thread, not its end. So the thread is lost.

    Quote: Forestman
    Rigid carriage

    It won’t help, the target moves, they shoot around ...

    the operator is located 50 meters from the control room in a shelter
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 18: 13
      0
      My request was ignored .... sad
      Quote: Forestman
      the operator is located 50 meters from the control room in a shelter

      This is already better and increases the probability of hitting, but not by much. With 10 km the tank is very small ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 18: 16
    0
    Quote: Professor
    My request was ignored .... sad
    Quote: Forestman
    the operator is located 50 meters from the control room in a shelter

    This is already better and increases the probability of hitting, but not by much. With 10 km the tank is very small ...

    You yourself said that there is no universal weapon smile
    Sorry did not understand what request? hi
    I understood everything
    1. Professor
      29 October 2013 18: 24
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      You yourself said that there is no universal weapon

      Of course. That is not the ultimate dream, but the device is serious and I would not neglect it. Moreover, he is in service with anyone.
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 29 October 2013 18: 53
        +1
        I apologize wildly, but it was not in my thoughts either! the only drawback is the weight, as in stagnation, so the term "wearable" does not correspond to reality a little. so to speak lyrical digression wink
        1. Professor
          29 October 2013 19: 08
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          Quote: Forestman
          You will say that they dragged the toe, but this is not an argument, sorry, you can carry a 120 mm mortar, but it will not become "wearable" from this, this is not as a polemic, but as a lyrical digression

          Dragged because it’s supposed to be sad, but the mortar isn’t supposed to.
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 29 October 2013 19: 11
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    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Forestman
    You will say that they dragged the toe, but this is not an argument, sorry, you can carry a 120 mm mortar, but it will not become "wearable" from this, this is not as a polemic, but as a lyrical digression

    Dragged because it’s supposed to be sad, but the mortar isn’t supposed to.

    You can’t argue with this argument laughing
  • jandjella
    jandjella 29 October 2013 20: 25
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    Quote: Professor
    And the main thing is the main thing from the new Tou, for example, not a single tank is protected in Russia.

    And if you put the arena? Doesn’t the tobet haven? And the curtain will not interfere with him?
    1. alone
      alone 29 October 2013 21: 22
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      As for the car, it's a pretty good technique. The TOU is of course the old system, but the Americans would not be Americans if they had not been modernizing this system for years.
    2. Professor
      30 October 2013 11: 48
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      Quote: jandjella
      Quote: Professor
      And the main thing is the main thing from the new Tou, for example, not a single tank is protected in Russia.

      And if you put the arena? Doesn’t the tobet haven? And the curtain will not interfere with him?

      When they put the Arena then we’ll talk, TOW is already in service. The curtain will not help, there is no radiation.
  • kelevra
    kelevra 18 December 2013 18: 11
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    It's okay, our minds are very serious, they’ll come up with opposition!