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Pavel Astakhov: "Russia and the United States finally understood each other on the issue of adoption of children"

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Pavel Astakhov: "Russia and the United States finally understood each other on the issue of adoption of children"

In the course of the consultations held in Moscow, Russia and the United States managed to understand each other’s positions on the adoption of Russian children by Americans and come closer to a constructive solution of existing problems, Pavel Astakhov, the ombudsman under the President of the Russian Federation, told the Voice of Russia.


Russia and the United States held consultations in Moscow on consular issues and adoption issues, said Pavel Astakhov, the Commissioner under the President of the Russian Federation for the Rights of the Child. The parties discussed the issues of ensuring access of Russian consuls to Russian children adopted by Americans, as well as problems of adoption of Russian children by close relatives, US citizens or persons with Russian and American citizenship.

Pavel Astakhov, the Commissioner under the President of the Russian Federation for the Rights of the Child, spoke in more detail about the consultations to the Voice of Russia.

- Consultations have ended?

- Yes, they have already completed. It would seem that a technical issue related to consular assistance, consular work, unfortunately, sometimes takes on a political connotation. Child protection issues are very acute between our states.

I took the liberty to say the opening remarks, in connection with these consultations, to turn to the American delegation. First of all, I would like the dialogue to continue. It was successfully started in June, when we traveled with the delegation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I headed the delegation to the US State Department.

Negotiations were difficult, I want to consolidate the success achieved. I think we heard and understood each other for the first time. And most importantly, we realized that there are no "Russian Americans" or "American Russians" who were adopted and live in America, but there are our common children and common problems that cannot be ignored, which need to be opened and solved together, not politicizing these issues, but, conversely, translating them into the legal mainstream.

We need to expand humanitarian cooperation, not argue over political issues. Unfortunately, in Russia and in America there are odious politicians who are trying to speculate on this. In the United States in the next election race, regular senators, congressmen are trying to announce that they will cancel the adopted law, we are starting to say that we are almost cannibals, we are depriving children of the future.

These questions should be a thing of the past, we need to look wider at the problem. Wider, because they are not decided by the categories "today" and "tomorrow", but by the categories "our ancestors" and "our future." So it is necessary to think and stop the division into "ours", "yours", "you are to us", "we are to you." We are not a donor country to only give away children. No, we are a serious, great country, we are redefining in the new way, setting priorities, solving the issues of child protection. This we told to the Americans.

- Tell me, were any specific cases of children discussed, or was the conversation in general?

- Consultations are more general in nature, they do not deal with specific cases, although we continue to recall specific cases. We presented a list of questions that are of interest to us in specific cases - these are questions on the affairs of children who are in the proceedings of the courts or the investigating authorities.

This is a question about the notorious ranch, to which we still have not received an answer. These are answers to requests from the General Prosecutor's Office (17 requests, not all of which have been answered), this is the access of the Russian consuls to the United States — all of these questions are known to the American side.

But the consultations did not discuss specific cases, people and children, but the principles for the consuls' access to families. Americans are concerned about the issue of adoption by people with dual citizenship, the issue of adoption by relatives who have American citizenship, that is, more general issues of a consular nature.

But, nevertheless, we always remind that there are debts on reports, answers, including the General Prosecutor’s Office. Americans confirm, they say, yes, we know, we do, we will respond, we will provide information. How soon will this happen? Let's hope that soon enough.

- Did you manage to agree on something, were steps taken for further work?

- We certainly manage to negotiate, we hear each other, because the questions are counter: we are concerned about some, they are others. Whether we want it or not, we have to negotiate, and I see a lot of progress in this. We finally understood that it is impossible to focus on a very narrow topic of adoption - you give us children, and we will take it and we will not report to you. No, this is no longer happening, and in the future this will no longer be.

The Americans have come to terms with this, at least that is the official position of Washington. As for the prospects, they are the widest. We talked about the need to expand humanitarian contacts, education, cultural exchange, and treatment. Why do we only rely on the question of adoption for treatment? We can at the expense of the state - and we do it - send children, including to America, for rehabilitation, for rest. It has always been, these contacts should be expanded, and the Americans agree that humanitarian contacts should be expanded.

- Now consular workers have the right of access to Russian children adopted by Americans?

- Yes, they certainly do. The cooperation agreement on international adoption between Russia and the United States will end in providing reports and replies to January 1 2014 requests. But even before this agreement, almost 20 years, there was a procedure for communication of consular representatives, workers with our children, who until our majority retained our citizenship.

This principle operates within the framework of the Vienna Convention 1963 on Consular Relations. Our consular officers have the right to access our citizens, children who live in the United States. This again has to be reminded, unfortunately, because for Americans there is a holy of holies - the secret of private life, a personal, family secret, which not everyone is ready to break, obeying international rules, laws and treaties that America has signed. Every time you have to explain. Reluctantly, but still go forward.

- Do Russian-American relations on the issue of adoption improve, are steps outlined to normalize this process?

- Of course, we have moved into the sphere of technical coordination of issues. We left politics, thank God. This was achieved through difficult negotiations. But it was important for us to get away from politics. Do not interfere with everything in a pile, do not blame us for the fact that we, such-and-such, have passed a law, which, in fact, should be adopted by any normal developed state that cares for its children and places responsibility for each child on itself . This is a normal condition.

How can this not understand the Americans? They not only bring up their children, but also take many children from other countries, they take care of the children. At least demonstrate it. How this happens in practice, we know.

We did not conduct an investigation, but American journalists who identified a network for the exchange of adopted children. But these are their problems, which in some part also concern us, because our children fall into these networks. A normal state will not allow its children to enter this international market.

We are trying to explain that Russia is different now. This is not the Russia that was 20 years ago, kneeling, in debt, with a destroyed infrastructure, with a social sphere that was not provided for. Priorities have changed, there will be no going back, we only go forward.

We try to remind that it is our right to pass those laws that we consider necessary, which we are able to execute and will fulfill. The facts we are talking about are obvious. Even according to the notorious list, allegedly children who were adopted by the Americans could not leave Russia. This is not the case. All children who were adopted by Americans before 1 in January 2013, went abroad.

Remember how many disputes there were - to let out, not to let out. The position voiced by the president - and I fundamentally stood in this position - the court decision was made, no need to appeal it, you need to let the children out. But with 1 January - sorry, new rules, new law. We live in the future, not the past.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 28 October 2013 12: 13
    23
    Adoption of Russian children by foreigners is a business and it is not a secret. But a Russian family to adopt a child is such a Sisyphean to collect waste paper is unnecessary. All this resembles a disabled person without legs, because. must confirm annually non-industry he has his feet on the commission of VTEK.
    1. APES
      APES 28 October 2013 15: 28
      +8
      Throughout this story, from the very beginning, the announcement of “retaliatory” and “adequate” measures on Magnitsky’s law is felt to be false. I will not discuss the logic of those who came up with the answer, one thing I will say is that there is no love and concern for my children and not only orphans in Russia at the state level. I think most Russian citizens see and feel this.
      PS
      and for Magnitsky’s law, I would generally say thank you
  2. domokl
    domokl 28 October 2013 12: 16
    +2
    So many words just to say-I just like the president think ... Hmm ... Who would argue with Putin. But why then do you need a wet drop? Let it go dry ...
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 28 October 2013 13: 37
      10
      The conjuncturist, says only that they allow, affects only those problems that they resolve, for some reason he has never seen or heard that he covers any problems of children related to the Caucasus. A Chechen judge beat a minor player on the field - Astakhov was silent, a Chechen adopted a girl to make his wife - Astakhov was silent, a Dagestan beat a 15-year-old resident of St. Petersburg to death - Pasha was silent again. But in Finland ... but in the USA ..... - Pasha is right there.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 28 October 2013 13: 45
        +2
        Quote: Mikado
        For some reason I have never seen or heard that he covered any problems of children related to the Caucasus. A Chechen judge beat a minor player on the field - Astakhov was silent, a Chechen adopted a girl to make his wife - Astakhov was silent, a Dagestan beat a 15-year-old resident of St. Petersburg to death - Pasha was silent again.


        Children's Ombudsman Pavel Astakhov intends to agree with the President of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov on the transfer of orphans from St. Petersburg to Chechnya. He stated this in an interview with the Rosbalt agency.
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 28 October 2013 15: 29
          +1
          Quote: New Russia
          The children's ombudsman Pavel Astakhov intends to agree with the President of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov on the transfer of orphans from St. Petersburg to Chechnya.

          And where is there to cry or laugh, girl? Or is it just an attempt to kick a sleeping tiger, which absolutely does not care about you?
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 28 October 2013 15: 42
            -3
            "Or is it just an attempt to kick a sleeping tiger that has absolutely nothing to do with you?" Are you afraid of the Chechens? Give them a tribute not only with money, but also with our children, right?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 October 2013 15: 59
              +2
              Such a girl sits on the Internet and tells the Marine .....
              Quote: New Russia
              Are you afraid of Chechens?

              Nude nude
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 28 October 2013 16: 05
                +1
                You know) I can be afraid of the Chechens, but pride will not allow me to say this, or something like don’t wake a tiger) I hope you understand me
              2. IRBIS
                IRBIS 28 October 2013 16: 37
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Such a girl sits on the Internet and tells the Marine ...

                Hello, namesake! Thank you, but I'm not offended by the girl. She compiled her worldview on TV programs. And, like any woman, she is not afraid of anything. And confuses the concepts of fear and fear, respect and servility.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 04
                  +6
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  She compiled her worldview on TV programs.

                  You are mistaken if I formed views on TV, I would hate the Stalin of the USSR and love migrants)
                  1. ele1285
                    ele1285 28 October 2013 21: 41
                    +1
                    HUMOR ++++++, come on mother, then burn
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 28 October 2013 21: 50
                      0
                      Ahahahahahaha)
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 October 2013 17: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: IRBIS
                  Thank you, but I'm not offended by the girl.

                  Great, Sasha! I already had the opportunity to talk with her. The world divides into two colors, black and white. Either with us or against us. Evidence is not accepted!
                  I didn’t argue anymore hi
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 28 October 2013 17: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Either with us or against us.

                    It’s interesting, but against someone you can be friends with her what laughing Hi drinks I'm not a warrior request
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      I'm not a warrior

                      Ahahahahahahahaha you have fun)
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 28 October 2013 18: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      It’s interesting, but against someone you can be friends with her

                      You can, for starters, ask a stutter what her name is, then skype, then wedding, then children, then divorce, then alimony. wink
                      Hi Ruslan hi
                      1. New Russia
                        New Russia 28 October 2013 18: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You can, for starters, ask a stutter what her name is, then skype, then wedding, then children, then divorce, then alimony.

                        Ahahahahahahahahahahaha
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 October 2013 18: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: New Russia

                        Ahahahahahahahahahahaha

                        What haha, a man comes to you with flowers, and you haha. Ruslan, get out her phone, this will speed up friendship wink
                      3. New Russia
                        New Russia 28 October 2013 18: 19
                        0
                        Late...)
                      4. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 28 October 2013 18: 31
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , then divorce, then alimony.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        come out her phone is speed up friendship

                        Maybe immediately a wreath? For a wedding, divorce and alimony will not have to be spent what wassat
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 28 October 2013 21: 38
      0
      CHILEN and Faberge with Pavel Astakhov, but WIFE ARE NOT TRUE HUSBAND, why do they, THE WALKING GIRL, have no orphanages?
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 28 October 2013 21: 51
        0
        Subtle, smart ahaha
  3. Edward72
    Edward72 28 October 2013 14: 45
    +3
    And about the Caucasus, Nizya, this is a sacred cow, you yourself know for whom. In general, Astakhov I associate with the red light district
  • Polovec
    Polovec 28 October 2013 12: 28
    16
    Normal countries will NEVER give up children for adoption abroad. It's a shame! Need Dzerzhinsky!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 28 October 2013 14: 16
      +6
      Quote: Polovec
      It's a shame! Need Dzerzhinsky!
      And Stalin!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 28 October 2013 19: 45
        +3
        Quote: Polovec
        Need Dzerzhinsky!

        Quote: sergey261180
        And Stalin!

        And Makarenko!
        1. alone
          alone 28 October 2013 21: 34
          +1
          Sorry, of course, but Beria is not needed? wassat
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 28 October 2013 21: 44
          -1
          And just Sov. Power
  • A. Yaga
    A. Yaga 28 October 2013 12: 28
    +8
    Phew. Disgusting. We are selling children again.
    1. kris
      kris 28 October 2013 12: 50
      +9
      Quote: A. Yaga
      Phew. Disgusting. We are selling children again.

      so the traders seized power! they don’t care how to sell at least children or their homeland, at least oil or gas.
  • George
    George 28 October 2013 12: 33
    +3
    A chatter.
    But the consultations did not discuss specific cases, people and children, but the principles for the consuls' access to families. Americans are concerned about the issue of adoption by people with dual citizenship, the issue of adoption by relatives who have American citizenship, that is, more general issues of a consular nature.

    But, nevertheless, we always remind that there are debts on reports, answers, including the General Prosecutor’s Office. Americans confirm, they say, yes, we know, we do, we will respond, we will provide information. How soon will this happen? Let's hope that soon enough.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 28 October 2013 17: 23
      +1
      Specific small and "small" people are not interested in politicians without the opportunity to get publicity on their problems. In general, our problems, the problems of our children, the elderly
      It’s time for us to decide for ourselves. Together we are strong good
  • Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2013 12: 47
    +6
    I am worried about the emerging fashion in the West to remake the gender of a child under the age of majority.
    I still can not understand how juvenile justice in the West generally admit such a thought.
    Did ASTAKHOV ask a similar question to his colleagues from the WEST.
    And I consider the practice of transferring our children to the West to be criminal and it should be subject to criminal liability.
  • Migari
    Migari 28 October 2013 12: 50
    +4
    Our children must be brought up with us, in our families, and for this we need to create conditions. It’s time to close this shop when those who depend on whom the child will be given to profit from it. As for America, we need an agreement on those children who were adopted earlier, and no more.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 October 2013 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      Our children must be brought up with us, in our families, and for this we need to create conditions. It’s time to close this shop when those who depend on whom the child will be given to profit from it. As for America, we need an agreement on those children who were adopted earlier, and no more.

      That's what I’m talking about, why in the Caucasus there are no orphanages, and after copulation, pregnancy and childbirth, does this leave the baby in the orphanage? And then to the night club
  • Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 28 October 2013 12: 52
    +8
    It’s a burden for the state to feed its children! To give to the Americans! Many do not need 10-15 thousand per child in the Russian family and that’s all !!! I hardly pull my own, starting from the kindergarten requisitions. The more mature the more money they ask. which children’s now? I'm sure the majority on the site knows the amount, the difference between the regions is not more than 50 rubles ...
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 October 2013 21: 55
      0
      Much more. Sam from Moscow, sister from the Kaluga region. BLS DIFFERENCE
  • faraon
    faraon 28 October 2013 12: 56
    +3
    It is necessary to end with the vicious practice of adopting and sending children abroad, to end this heinous child trafficking. Trade in the future of the country. How many after the revolution there were street children. Thanks to Dzerzhinsky and Soviet power, they were raised into real heroes, most of whom laid their heads in the Second World War, for their homeland USSR. There were so many orphans after the war and everyone was raised by the Soviet regime, of course now all the defenders of the children will now take charge of me, but I will say one thing Russia is much better than a geyropa, where its laws and rules of tolerance are. And the Russian children's home is much better than the surgeon’s house where the child is sawed into spare parts. And all these consular checks, as time has shown, do not give anything, but only constitute a fact
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 October 2013 21: 57
      -1
      faraon
      smart girl
  • ramsi
    ramsi 28 October 2013 13: 02
    0
    ... not odious politicians, but America itself - an odious entity, as a phenomenon
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 28 October 2013 13: 10
    -2
    America does not understand anything: presidents and senators, as well as the population.
  • New Russia
    New Russia 28 October 2013 13: 29
    +1
    And if you put the question like this: Children's Ombudsman Pavel Astakhov intends to agree with the President of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov on the transfer of orphans from St. Petersburg to Chechnya. He stated this in an interview with the Rosbalt agency.

    Where is better, to Chechnya or the USA?
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 28 October 2013 14: 29
      0
      it is best to send Pavel Astakhov himself to Chechnya on an ongoing basis, for supervision and supervision of the local patriarchy
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 28 October 2013 22: 01
        0
        Shaynets, you understand and understand what an orphanage and family. And then give advice
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 28 October 2013 15: 31
      +2
      Quote: New Russia
      Where is better, to Chechnya or the USA?

      Dear, have you been to Chechnya? Do you know how they raise children there? Maybe enough to bring an apple of discord here? How many children do you personally have?
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 28 October 2013 15: 41
        +3
        I have so far 1. I have not been to Chechnya, but every day we hear about Chechen education from criminal news, these people will simply become slaves or cease to be spiritually Russian, they will hate Russians. Apple of discord. Have you watched Solovyov’s duel, Zhirinovsky vs. Shevchenko? Zhirik won by a big margin after the words of Chechnya should be fenced with barbed wire. Actually, in Chechnya 200 thousand Russians were raped and kicked out, and now they are doing it here. What kind of apple of discord are you talking about?
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 28 October 2013 15: 57
          +7
          Quote: New Russia
          I have 1 so far.

          I have six.
          Quote: New Russia
          I have not been to Chechnya

          I have been there many times from 95 to 02. During the USSR, I had to live with them and serve with them.
          Quote: New Russia
          about Chechen education we hear every day from criminal news

          For a change, look at sports news, there are much more Caucasian names than ours, originally Russian.
          Quote: New Russia
          these people will simply become slaves or cease to be spiritually Russian, they will hate Russians.

          Don't talk nonsense and don't talk about Chechens worse than they are. I do not cherish special love for them, but I would not like to hear unfounded insults either. You can also find a lot of interesting things about us, about Russians. Something that does not fit into the "great" and "friendly" character and broad Russian soul.
          One thing I can say - they definitely won’t become alcoholics.
          Quote: New Russia
          Zhirik won by a big margin after the words Chechnya should be fenced with barbed wire.

          Now, if at one time I saw Zhirinovsky in a nearby trench, then he, perhaps, would be an authority for me. In the meantime, he is just a cheap talker!
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 28 October 2013 16: 11
            +2
            Quote: IRBIS
            I have six.

            I am sincerely glad for you!)
            Quote: IRBIS
            For a change, look at sports news, there are much more Caucasian names than ours, originally Russian.

            I can give you a bunch of links about how these medalists kill or beat someone. From official sources.
            Quote: IRBIS
            You can also find a lot of interesting things about us, about Russians. Something that does not fit into the "great" and "friendly" character and broad Russian soul.

            This is another question, but Russians should be brought up only in Russian families, if you want no one to drink, let's all accept Islam.
            Quote: IRBIS
            Now, if at one time I saw Zhirinovsky in a nearby trench, then he, perhaps, would be an authority for me. In the meantime, he is just a cheap talker!

            And this is not important, the main majority that voted for him is adequate for us.

            PS I hope you are not offended that, as some here said, the little one argues with you)
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 28 October 2013 16: 45
              +2
              Quote: New Russia
              I hope you were not offended that, as some here said, the little one argues with you)

              In no case! For this is your opinion, to which you are entitled!
              Quote: New Russia
              I can give you a bunch of links about how these medalists kill or beat someone. From official sources.

              Do not bother, I sometimes watch the news. I can provide links to our, white-headed.
              Quote: New Russia
              This is another question, but Russians should be brought up only in Russian families, if you want no one to drink, let's all accept Islam.

              It is important that the child has an elementary childhood. With toys, gifts, mother’s hugs and father’s stern look. Children of strangers do not exist, they are not relatives, but it quickly passes.
              And here, in Russia, unfortunately, the Russians are now not eager to unload the orphanage, as well as give birth and raise in general.
              And do not fuss about other religions. Everyone has their own shortcomings and it is not always clear whose are more dangerous and vicious.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 07
                +2
                Quote: IRBIS
                Russians now are not eager to unload the orphanage, as well as in general to give birth and bring up.

                Russians are not just a biological form of life, but a soul that is taken away from us for all Russians, and without it people and children will not just survive, which we see, we don’t have to blame ordinary people, Russian people are just great agents Russian ideas. No idea no life.
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 28 October 2013 17: 44
                  0
                  Quote: New Russia
                  and the soul, the one for all Russians, which was taken away from us,

                  They didn’t take it away from us, we exchanged it and sold it.
                  Quote: New Russia
                  don't blame ordinary people

                  Let's blame the Jews, they are always our fault.
                  Quote: New Russia
                  No idea no life.

                  The idea of ​​life, as well as its meaning, is in life itself. In relation to the state, this is life in a strong, fair state. We are doomed either to live in unity with other peoples on the territory of Russia, or to turn into a patchwork quilt. What suits you?
                  1. New Russia
                    New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: IRBIS
                    They didn’t take it away from us, we exchanged it and sold it.

                    Are you personally Or me? Hardly. I heard, until 1993, in the Supreme Council there were really worthy people elected in fair elections, and then Yeltsin got on to what everyone wanted to have nothing to do with it)
                    Quote: IRBIS
                    Let's blame the Jews, they are always our fault.

                    Not Jews but rootless ghouls, oligarchs of thieves and liberals, but if only for humility itself.
                    Quote: IRBIS
                    We are doomed either to live in unity with other peoples on the territory of Russia, or to turn into a patchwork quilt. What suits you?

                    Of course, together, but only with those who themselves want peace. Someone does not want.
            2. politruk419
              politruk419 28 October 2013 17: 47
              +1
              Sanya Emelianenko didn't beat anyone that week? Or is he Chechen?
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            3. ZU-23
              ZU-23 28 October 2013 17: 47
              0
              He watched this program and was also in the trenches there, but what, the Zhirik laid out all the terrible facts and fenced them with wire, well, Shevchenko was not a little bit voted, in Chechnya it was full of peaceful people and went for the militants, and then when everything became it’s clear that this war is not about anything, the former militants were standing at the roadblocks with us, this war was fought by Berezovsky with the Americans and other creatures, well, Chechnya accordingly didn’t like it, now this degraded youth who grew up in the war is walking around Russia. Those creatures who cut their heads and perverted do not deserve life. And somewhere there is the fault of Russia, but not of the Russian serviceman by order, the drunk did not control either the oligarchs or the army.
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 28 October 2013 18: 01
                +1
                Quote: ZU-23
                Well, for Shevchenko, too many voted

                So far, unfortunately, not everyone knows about his position in Stavropol and the Russians.
                Quote: ZU-23
                now this degraded youth who grew up in the war is walking around Russia.

                Why should we pity them and give equal rights? What are they? The question is rhetorical
                1. ZU-23
                  ZU-23 28 October 2013 18: 38
                  0
                  So they are Russians, and secondly, you don’t even understand what it means to separate them geographically from us, here he performs the Slavic fraternal Ukrainian people, he performs in one step to NATO, so you want to give these to them too))), we are due to NATO aggression Syria just don’t give it back. By the way, Max said great, the Dagestanis only 700 thousand of them are 100 thousand young adults, maybe we should think that something is wrong with us))). Honestly I don’t support them, everyone yells that we are building the Caucasus for them, and so it’s just that they would receive education there and be normal well-mannered people and work for themselves, and those to whom the brains no longer shine, they will sit.
                  1. New Russia
                    New Russia 28 October 2013 18: 52
                    0
                    Quote: ZU-23
                    Slavic fraternal Ukrainian people performs

                    And what does the people have to do with it, they’re their authorities) But we don’t judge Russians by power vampires
            4. alone
              alone 28 October 2013 21: 38
              -1
              Quote: New Russia
              This is another question, but Russians should be brought up only in Russian families, if you want no one to drink, let's all accept Islam.


              in general, the Christian religion and Orthodoxy in particular also do not approve of drinking alcoholic beverages !! what it’s strange that the Orthodox don’t know it, but I know I am a Muslim belay
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              2. New Russia
                New Russia 28 October 2013 22: 03
                0
                I am not a Christian) And the Orthodox, we have the majority only in words)
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 October 2013 22: 30
                  0
                  Quote: New Russia
                  I am not a Christian) And the Orthodox, we have the majority only in words)

                  Who is in words, and who is even very serious, as in any religion.
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 28 October 2013 16: 46
            +3
            I was in Chechnya, though as a civilian, with a good friend came to visit his friend - a 16-year-old Chechen. So this teenager went in, sat down on a chair, took off his socks, threw them at the corners, said something in his own way, mother came out, gathered a word without saying a word, left. Then he again barked something, his mother went to eat to cook. Here is respect for the elders. Not in all families, but in fairy tales about what kind of attitude they have towards older people there is not worth believing, just as with us. And about

            Quote: IRBIS
            For a change, look at sports news, there are much more Caucasian names than ours, originally Russian.


            I can tell where it comes from. People there are cunning, they figured out that due to sports, especially martial arts, one can earn not sickly, like the Olympians heating up apartments, cars and all the blessings of the earth. Therefore, they came up with such a feature, they "lose" a passport (or a birth certificate), they restore it through friends for money, but already with an age of minus two, three, four years. In adulthood, this difference is not significant, but in children it is very even, as a result, they beat the entire youth team and become leaders among juniors, therefore, some of their names flash. You can read about this.
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 28 October 2013 17: 07
              +1
              Quote: Mikado
              People there are cunning, they figured out that due to sports, especially martial arts, you can earn not sickly, just like the Olympians have heated some apartments, cars and all the blessings of the earth.

              I wish our Russian guys cut it through! And, like their peers from the Caucasian republics, they sought to serve in the army!
              Fact - put in a row one-year-olds, a dozen Russian guys and a dozen Caucasians. Feel the difference. Family permissiveness, smoking and alcohol played a nasty trick on the Russians ...
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 28 October 2013 22: 15
              0
              Quote: Mikado
              Then he again barked something, his mother went to eat to cook.

              But ours, Russian women are so overgrown that they do not want to give birth to children. They fight for rights, but they forgot about duties!
          3. politruk419
            politruk419 28 October 2013 17: 51
            +2
            I agree with you. It’s not a sin for the Russians to learn something from the chicha. Although they would support each other. And how they bring up men.
            They also have disadvantages: they do not see "edges" and do not like to work. However, the current generation of Russian youth does not like to work in the same way.
            In any case, you need to start with yourself and your children. I have three.
          4. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 28 October 2013 17: 55
            +3
            Quote: IRBIS
            For a change, see sports news, there are much more Caucasian surnames there than ours, originally Russian

            And why not? laughing
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 28 October 2013 18: 23
              +1
              Quote: Yarosvet
              And why not?

              And the poster, from the category "What is this about?" Did you emigrate to Armenia? A guy who dearly loves his homeland, you say? Oh well...
              So I was invited to serve in several armies of the former republics of the USSR. It was possible to make a dizzying career overnight, using this opportunity. However, I swore an oath to the USSR and always believed that the oath is given once in a lifetime. And they "squeezed" me out and "pressed" me, but I devoted my whole life to serving one country, albeit in hardship and without prosperity, but to my Motherland. And therefore I consider this "comrade" with a Russian surname ... well, you know who.
              You brought an unsuccessful example, frankly speaking - not a good one.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 28 October 2013 19: 37
                +3
                Quote: IRBIS
                You brought an unsuccessful example, frankly speaking - not a good one.

                It’s not me - it’s you who brought an unsuccessful example, but I just answered in tone.
          5. ZU-23
            ZU-23 28 October 2013 19: 05
            -2
            Stagnation is a state of the economy characterized by stagnation of production and trade over a long period. S. is accompanied by an increase in the number of unemployed, a decrease in wages and living standards. Recession (from Latin Recessus - retreat) - in economics (in particular, in macroeconomics), the term refers to a relatively moderate, non-critical decline in production or a slowdown in economic growth. So the recession is not a critical recession and a slowdown in growth, but not a decline but a slowdown, that is, there is growth but small, in our case 1.7% in my opinion. And stagnation is a fall in the standard of living from stagnation and everything becomes bad there, unemployment is a decrease in wages. I will add that these calculations are carried out once every six months. In our case, salaries with pensions rise, we are the fifth economy after China and India, whose GDP is 4 times less than ours, per capita. And now remember what happened about 15 years ago, Russia as such was not, there were no salaries and what was not even given for + -7 years, the Chechen Republic that you affected was also there, so think about the good, but it already exists unequivocally , further more. See that there are no legal and lawless people go to the police with your whole house no matter how scary it is, but here crying at Putin is not human at all, we are the only country in the world that can send America to the opa and that’s all Putin.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 28 October 2013 19: 32
              +2
              Quote: ZU-23
              1.7% in my opinion. But stagnation is a fall in the standard of living from stagnation and everything becomes bad there, unemployment is a decrease in wages.

              A decline in living standards has been recorded since 2011.
              Quote: ZU-23
              in our case 1.7%

              In the 3rd quarter, it is already 1%, with a decline in real industry.
              Quote: ZU-23
              In our case, salaries with pensions rise

              In recent years, teachers have even fallen.
              Quote: ZU-23
              See not legal and lawless people go to the police

              Are you seriously??? Do you think no one goes to the police?) But they are all corrupt, they just don’t notice illegal immigrants, who are millions, and they are not trying to look for them, why did you think?
              Quote: ZU-23
              Putin is not human at all, we are the only country in the world that can send America to the opera and that’s all Putin.
              China, India will not agree with you. You will not understand what is happening in the country until it touches you, I am a teacher, and my mother, and my father, I can say that besides the fact that they didn’t pay salaries before, education was simply crushed under Putin
              1. ZU-23
                ZU-23 28 October 2013 20: 07
                -2
                In China and India, a lot of people work purely for food, so there is no need to tell me, my friend in China is constantly sticking out. Decrease in the level, winter is coming up and it will be an upsurge, it’s a common practice, let’s say about bad things, I have a daughter in a normal school with a normal education in one city, a son in another city in a normal school, a nephew here in a normal school, his teachers have a salary from 30 to 50, I have a neighbor cop, there was a salary of 15 became 70, so you were just unlucky, you are upset and lowered your head, this will form your whole future life. Remember all over the world now it is not stable and all our sufferings from for the same Europe and America occur.
          6. alone
            alone 28 October 2013 21: 36
            0
            Quote: IRBIS
            Now, if at one time I saw Zhirinovsky in a nearby trench, then he, perhaps, would be an authority for me. In the meantime, he is just a cheap talker!


            good drinks
          7. ele1285
            ele1285 28 October 2013 22: 16
            0
            You are the same Rusak as my grandfather Napoleon. Sports news is mostly football. Yes, Chechens, great fighters. But this school has been from the Soviet era. They became GREAT thanks to the school of the USSR
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 28 October 2013 22: 08
          +1
          But Klitschko defeated Povetkin. So Russia is weaker. It's about the TV. But not only Chechnya has to answer for this. And all the bureaucrats, the CAUCASUS and we ourselves are to blame
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 28 October 2013 14: 18
    +1
    Pavel Astakhov: "Russia and the United States finally understood each other on the issue of adoption of children"
    Bargained?
    1. alone
      alone 28 October 2013 21: 41
      +1
      Pavel Astakhov: "Russia and the United States finally understood each other on the issue of adoption of children"


      sergey261180
      Bargained?


      why then it was necessary to adopt this law forbidding to do this? now it turns out that the law was adopted in vain? logic is not even visible on the horizon.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 October 2013 14: 46
    +1
    What kind of people do we have, the patriarch was banned, Astakhov was banned))), or even here the trolls are sitting for money like on mail)))
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 28 October 2013 14: 55
      0
      Or maybe there is something to ban?
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 28 October 2013 15: 02
        -1
        if in general it’s not at all, but in general people don’t look for good, but for one jamb they will always be remembered)))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 October 2013 15: 37
          +2
          Quote: ZU-23
          if in general there’s nothing at all,

          Madame simply believes that Putin is an occupier of Russia and everything and everything related to his power and his relatives are automatically guilty.
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 28 October 2013 15: 54
            +2
            All the high-ranking officials in the criminal system cannot but commit crimes themselves and not know about the crimes of accomplices, or do you disagree with this?)
          2. ZU-23
            ZU-23 28 October 2013 17: 01
            +1
            For any one, but for another, they really are not destined to think, because they sit on this site and see several Russian successes per day in all areas and relationships, and they don’t catch up with it because of the same Putin and his team.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 38
              +3
              Quote: ZU-23
              several Russian successes per day

              Do you want me to tell you a few Russian successes not only this year, which cross out all successes taken together?
              Entry into the WTO, the collapse of the economy and small business. The shutdown of production or a multiple decrease in metallurgy, stagnation, according to unofficial data, is already a recession.
              The defeat of education Fursenka and degenerate Livanov.
              Increased migration to 17 million people. In Moscow, more than half of the crimes and 70% of rapes are migrants.
              Monstrous corruption, Serdyukov, Skrynnik, Bilalov, Chubais and others are not even accused, and even have no plans. Vasilieva goes to boutiques and has fun, she is let under amnesty.
              The explosive growth of ethnic hatred.

              Now Achievements: Ummm ... What Achievements? I heard in the army Serdyukov also "achieved" something ...
              1. ZU-23
                ZU-23 28 October 2013 18: 10
                -3
                This stagnation is worse than a recession, that is, a drop in economic growth, and a recession is a small economic growth. So you call all sorts of Lebanon and others, they are not given to work for them to do it, let us send you all military reviews there, and others will tell you whom you brought here. Here you complain that small business has staggered, because it is precisely there are mainly migrants. The state of the Russian state is being re-arranged, it cannot be painless for everyone, because we plunged deeply into the 90s. It’s like a drug addict who stole and blissed out, and now has thrown him into pieces with adventures in hospitals and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Serdyukov, this is one thing, and why don’t you praise Shoigu from Putin’s team, the army has two showers and a washing vacuum cleaner with a one-year service life, I couldn’t even think of it in the 94-96th)))
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 18: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: ZU-23
                  This stagnation is worse than a recession, that is, a drop in economic growth, and a recession is a small economic growth.

                  You messed up, vice versa)
                  Quote: ZU-23
                  Here you complain that small business has staggered, because it is precisely there are mainly migrants.

                  Where does the data come from?
                  Quote: ZU-23
                  Re-arrangement of the Russian state

                  Where is the arrangement, in what, your opinion is interesting.
                  Quote: ZU-23
                  why don’t you praise Shoigu from Putin’s team

                  He took a key part in Yeltsin’s coming to power, handed out to the Yeltsin AK, even when it was not clear who would prevail in 1993.
                  1. ZU-23
                    ZU-23 28 October 2013 19: 11
                    -1
                    Quote: New Russia
                    He took a key part in Yeltsin’s coming to power, handed out to the Yeltsin AK, even when it was not clear who would prevail in 1993.

                    So who would have thought that Yeltsin was swelling))), but in general at that time there were no options)))
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 28 October 2013 19: 45
                      0
                      Quote: ZU-23
                      So who would have thought that Yeltsin was swelling))), but in general at that time there were no options)))

                      Why no options? He could come out against Yeltsin with the Ministry of Emergencies
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 28 October 2013 22: 22
                0
                Quote: New Russia
                Entry into the WTO, the collapse of the economy and small business. The shutdown of production or a multiple decrease in metallurgy, stagnation, according to unofficial data, is already a recession.

                The fifth economy in the world.
                Quote: New Russia
                The defeat of education Fursenka and degenerate Livanov.

                this is a controversial issue, time will tell, although I myself am not a supporter of this reform.
                Quote: New Russia
                Increased migration to 17 million people. In Moscow, more than half of the crimes and 70% of rapes are migrants.

                In the USSR, migration was no less, as well as corruption, and in the USA corruption is the most.
                Quote: New Russia
                The explosive growth of ethnic hatred.

                Your efforts, and your kind.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 22: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  The fifth economy in the world.

                  I do not argue) 5 I am an economy experiencing the described difficulties, especially the distribution of wealth and the stratification of society is monstrously unfair
                  Quote: Setrac
                  In the USSR, migration was no less, as well as corruption, and in the USA corruption is the most.

                  In the USSR, national politics was normal; there were no Asiatic hordes in Russian cities
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Your efforts, and your kind.

                  Considering a compliment, the Russians should wake up and remember their pride.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 October 2013 22: 59
                    0
                    Quote: New Russia
                    I do not argue) 5 I am an economy experiencing the described difficulties, especially the distribution of wealth and the stratification of society is monstrously unfair

                    In other countries, the same is true and Russia is far from a leader here (in terms of unfair distribution and stratification of society).
                    Quote: New Russia
                    In the USSR, national politics was normal; there were no Asiatic hordes in Russian cities

                    That's right, there were hordes of Soviet citizens from the union republics then they were not foreigners.
                    Quote: New Russia
                    Russians should wake up

                    Which do you include yourself?
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      That's right, there were hordes of Soviet citizens from the union republics then they were not foreigners.

                      Asian peoples? Do not make up.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Which do you include yourself?

                      Of course)
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 28 October 2013 23: 11
                        0
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Asian peoples? Do not make up.

                        Uzbek SSR, Kazakh SSR and other Asian republics of the USSR.
                      2. New Russia
                        New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 32
                        +1
                        They were not in Russian cities! They all sat in the republics
              3. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 28 October 2013 22: 43
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                Fifth economy in the world
                Judging by the PPP GDP - 90% of the citizens, so what?

                it's a moot point, time will tell
                Nude ...

                In the USSR, migration was no less, as well as corruption, and in the USA corruption is the most
                Oh really? Everywhere the corruption market is equal to the annual budget of the country, and in the Union did the highlanders ride on constipation and shoot into the air from slingshots?

                Your efforts, and your kind.
                But this is an open lie: a negative reaction is caused by visitors and inaction (or criminal actions) of the authorities.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 October 2013 23: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Nude ...

                  How informative.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  But this is an open lie: a negative reaction is caused by visitors and inaction (or criminal actions) of the authorities.

                  Criminals must be punished according to the law, and not arrange for lynching, demand toughening of laws, return of execution for intentional murder, but everything must be in the legal field, it is not the newcomers who must be defeated, but the government that allows this.
                  1. New Russia
                    New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    it is not the newcomers who need to be defeated, but a government that allows this.

                    What i hear)
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 29 October 2013 09: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    How informative
                    And what else can you say to a person who is going to wait - what time will tell, while first-graders are offered to find a commonality between milk and a hedgehog (and the answer "a hedgehog loves milk" is not considered correct)?
                    Apparently you are going to wait until in the first grade they will ask about the similarities between a pregnant woman and a cake burnt in the oven laughing

                    it is not the newcomers who need to be defeated, but a government that allows this.
                    Brilliant ...
                    And she and I insist on this, the devil knows how much time, and here you, Sergey, issue such a revelation - just brilliant good

                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 29 October 2013 22: 50
                      0
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      And she and I reiterate the devil knows how much time

                      You two propose destroying people on a national basis.
                    2. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 30 October 2013 13: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      You two propose destroying people on a national basis.

                      In cases relating to the Criminal Code for grave and especially grave crimes. Cases, in turn, are determined by cultural attitudes that are not correlated with the laws of society - the nation, race and genes were not here and there.
            2. Hort
              Hort 29 October 2013 08: 32
              0
              this is a controversial issue, time will tell, although I myself am not a supporter of this reform.
              Yes, time already shows: the feature of the year is to confuse the tenses of verbs, write separately prefixes in words that are written together (re-arrangement, for example), etc. And this is only the Russian language and spelling, only from this thread of comments. And there is also history, biology, literature and a bunch of other subjects, the school course of which graduates simply do not know
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 29 October 2013 22: 52
                0
                Quote: hort
                Yes, time already shows: the feature of the year is to confuse the tenses of verbs, write separately prefixes in words that are written together (re-arrangement, for example), etc. And this is only the Russian language and spelling, only from this thread of comments. And there is also history, biology, literature and a bunch of other subjects, the school course of which graduates simply do not know

                I studied in a Soviet school and most of my peers made exactly the same mistakes, and just didn’t know in the same way.
    2. New Russia
      New Russia 28 October 2013 15: 49
      0
      When Gundyaev called the Slavs animals and the expensive ring hid this one. This can somehow be misunderstood. When he says that we need to come to terms with migrants and show Christian hospitality, when his work colleagues are engaged in a clean business, renting even the premises of the HHS for car washing is already too much.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 October 2013 15: 04
    0
    what about this one jamb, they just heard a lot)))
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 October 2013 16: 07
    0
    That is, Russian children will still be sold?
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 October 2013 18: 13
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      That is, Russian children will still be sold?

      A bit of history:
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 28 October 2013 23: 00
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      That is, Russian children will still be sold?

      First of all, you need to learn not to quit. In the same Caucasus, there is no such garbage. But there they shoot at weddings and lezginka dance ...
  • PValery53
    PValery53 28 October 2013 20: 29
    0
    The "consultations" have led to a "conclusion": the period of "adoption" of Russian children by Americans has ended, the period of "adoption" of Americans by Russians has begun. What are we going to do ?! .. (Joke. Just don't offend children! ..)