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Libya as victorious inferno zone

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Libya as victorious inferno zone

Modern Libya has virtually ceased to exist as a single state, as analysts had previously predicted. The destruction of the Libyan Jamahiriya led to the archaization of Libya, a return to traditional forms of being. Last news from Libya they are talking about aggravating the process of disintegration, the complete loss by the authorities of control over the situation in the country, turning the Libyan territory into an “inferno zone” where the number of bayonets in your squad decides everything. The government controls only one of the areas of Libya - Tripolitania, and even then not all areas. So, Zintan and Misurata are autonomous.


The European states that supported the war against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi themselves are already experiencing problems associated with the destabilization of Libya and other states of North Africa and the Middle East. So, Italy and other Mediterranean countries are faced with the acute problem of illegal immigration. And the Italian energy company ENI, which is one of the largest foreign operators in Libya, faced the problem of sabotaging the work of oil fields. Oil production in Libya has fallen to minimal levels. In the summer and autumn of 2013, oil production fell by 90%. At the same time, the production and supply of energy was paralyzed. The “field commanders” stated that the national oil company was mired in corruption, and therefore now they will express the interests of the “Libyan people” as a whole and each tribe in particular, and control the export of “black gold”. As a result, militants gained control over oil infrastructure facilities.

Another problem facing EU countries is the strengthening of the structures of the local Islamist underground. Militants, including representatives of indigenous European nations who converted to Islam, take the course of a “young fighter” in countries where “democracy” (Libya, Afghanistan) has won, and return to their homeland. The network structures of the radicals are enhanced by frames, get weapon, campaign materials. Preparation for a holy war "in Europe (and Russia) is in full swing.

October 25, 2013 there was news that the most oil-rich region of Libya - Cyrenaica - announced the establishment of its own government. A cabinet of 24 ministers was represented in the old capital of the once independent state of Cyrenaica - Ajdabiya. It is announced that the government of Cyrenaica will represent the interests of all cities and social groups inhabiting this historical Libya region. Cyrenaica includes the infamous Benghazi, which became the bridgehead of the "forces of good" to crush the Jamahiriya, as well as Jebal Ahdar (Green Mountain), Tobruk and Ajdabiya.

Eastern Libya announced autonomy in early March 2012, when hundreds of local elders who fought against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi, announced the creation of the region Bark. Autonomy includes the territory from Benghazi from Sirte Bay to the border with Egypt. Then the delegates of the Congress of the Peoples of Cyrenaica established the Higher Transitional Council of the region and promised to create independent ministries, including the Ministry of Interior. As is often the case, behind the questions of “independence” lies the question: who will manage the cash flows? Rich in "black gold" Cyrenaica plans to independently manage energy resources. Previously, all financial flows went to Tripoli, where oil revenues were distributed in the interests of the entire state. The redistribution of income from oil production has always caused discontent among a part of the regional elite and the associated intellectual circles. It is clear that the decision on separation caused discontent in Tripoli. However, Tripoli currently has no armed forces that could support the calls for the unity of the country with real actions.

Reference. Cyrenaica. Historic area in North Africa, the northeastern territory of Libya. It is located on the territory from the Gulf of Great Sirte (Sidra) to the borders with Marmarika (sometimes including her), that is, from Tripolitania to Egypt. Much of Cyrenaica fell on the Bark plateau. In antiquity, the Fazanian desert in the Fazania region was considered the border in the south, and the area of ​​Cyrenaica was about 250 000 km². In a later period, large areas to the south of the coast began to be assigned to Cyrenaica, incorporating significant areas of the Libyan desert, which increased its area to 850 000 km². The name of the area is the city of Cyrene (in Dorian Kieran), which was founded by the ancient Greeks. The Greek cities, thanks to maritime and trade, achieved a high degree of prosperity and were able to defend the independence of a long and brutal struggle with Egypt and Carthage. But then the region was consistently part of the Persian Empire, Egypt under the rule of the Ptolemaic dynasty, Rome and Byzantium. The Greek legacy has completely crossed out the Arab conquest. The Arabs called the region Barca. In the XVI century, Cyrenaica became part of the Ottoman Empire. In 1911-1912 Cyrenaica was captured by the Italians. In 1934, Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan, the Italian colony of Libya was united. During World War II, British troops occupied Cyrenaica and controlled it until 1951, when the Kingdom of Libya became independent. In 2011, an uprising began in Cyrenaica, which led to the fall of M. Gaddafi’s regime. According to the 2006 year, 1,6 million people lived in the region.

Agonizing Libya

After the death of Muammar Gaddafi, the world community basically lost interest in the events in Libya, leaving the country to sink further. Libya began to overwhelm the waves of chaos. As a result, the situation in Libya has reached such a stage that several recent news forced us to take a closer look at the processes that are occurring in this North African country.

The attack on the Russian embassy. On 2 on October, Russian and global media spread the news of the attack on the Russian Embassy in Tripoli. The attack on the embassy was repelled, one of the attackers died. The UN Security Council condemned the attack and called on the Libyan authorities to fulfill their obligations to protect diplomatic missions. The Libyan government was forced to admit that they cannot guarantee the safety of diplomats. Moscow then decided to evacuate its diplomats from Libya. The diplomats were hastily evacuated to Tunisia, and then by the Ministry of Emergency Situations by plane to Moscow. In the history of modern Russia, this happened only once - in the 1992 year, when the Russian mission in Kabul had to be transported by special aircraft. Partial evacuation of employees of the diplomatic missions of the Russian Federation was carried out in early April 2003 during the US military operation against Iraq; in September 2006 of the year - from Tbilisi, due to the arrest of Russian military personnel; On June 2011, part of the staff of the Russian Embassy in Yemen was taken out due to serious unrest in the Yemeni capital Sana'a.

The evacuation of the Russian embassy in full from Libya is in itself unprecedented. Usually at the time of exacerbation of the situation in any country, family members and technical staff are subject to evacuation. Full evacuation speaks of the threat of the death of the Russian diplomatic mission. After 11 September 2012, Libyan extremists attacked American diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, killing four US citizens, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, the warning of the Libyan authorities that security was not guaranteed to Russian citizens was taken seriously.

It must be said that competitors of the Russian Federation, who do not want to allow its economic return to Libya, may be behind the attack on the Russian embassy. For modern Libya, financial and military assistance from Russia and China is the only chance to retain power and save the country from the “Somali” scenario. In September, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation of Libya, Mohammed Abdel-Aziz, visited Moscow on 2013. They talked about the resumption of the Russian presence in the oil and gas market of Libya, the construction of the 500 kilometers of railway in the Libyan desert. In addition, they began to restore military-technical cooperation. The implementation of the previously frozen agreements will allow Moscow to become an important partner in the program to restore the Libyan armed forces. The potential for cooperation is great. Libya is currently armed with a significant amount of Soviet weapons, which are in need of modernization. In addition, in 2010, Russia and Libya signed agreements providing for the modernization of old equipment and the supply of Russian combat and combat training aircraft, air defense systems, armored vehicles and naval weapons. At the end of September, it was reported that Russia and Libya resumed military-technical cooperation - the North African country received the first batch of new Russian weapons after the overthrow of M. Gaddafi (10 BMP-3; according to other sources, the Libyan military received the Chrysanthem anti-tank missile systems -C "based on the BMP-3). It is clear that the main political competitors of the current Libyan government, which are now sponsored by Saudi Arabia (they were previously fed by Qatar), are not at all enthusiastic about the possible return of Russia to Libya. And to organize an attack on the Russian embassy is a simple matter, given the fact that the official authorities have little control over the situation in the country. It was a kind of “black mark” of Russia. Like, get out and do not come back, otherwise - death.

Creating your own armed forces. One of the signs that suggest that post-war Libya actually ceased to exist as a single state is the fact that the rebellious provinces form their armies. After independence was declared by Cyrenaica, Fezzan (southwestern Libya) declared the creation of autonomy and a private army. Fezzan already has its own president, Nuri Mohammed al-Quizi. Thus, the Libyan government can only talk about the partial control of only one of the three regions of the country - Tripolitania. The official authorities have neither the strength nor the desire to enter into conflict with the leaders of the tribes and armed bandit groups who have divided Libya into spheres of influence, who may operate under the guise of any state structure and have connections with international terrorist organizations.

The warlords in Fezzan took the same path as in Cyrenaica, deciding that it is not worth sharing the revenues with the central government. Fezzan is rich in oil. But during the reign of Gaddafi, the bulk of the proceeds from the sale of "black gold" went to Tripoli. Naturally, local leaders were unhappy with such an “injustice”. Now the “justice” is restored: the sources of income are in the hands of local leaders, something falls to their “warriors”, and the majority of the population recalls the “golden age” of Gaddafi’s government when he distributed the income of the country among the people with a strong will.

The situation in Fezzan is aggravated by interethnic conflicts. In addition to the Arabs, the communities of Tuareg, Berber and Tubu live in the largest region of Libya. Each community tries to establish its own order. Regular ethnic conflicts are the norm for Fezzan. In addition, the Tuareg and some local tribes supported Gaddafi, provoking hatred of his opponents. Each side is trying to maintain its sources of income or even expand them. The only thing that unites them so far is the conflict with the central leadership.

There are currently four “armies” in Libya: 1) the Ministry of Defense, who are controlled by people from Zintan; 2) The Libyan Shield is an attempt by the General National Council, which formally governs the country, to create a single army from scattered insurgent units. In fact, this structure is headed by immigrants from the city of Misurat; 3) Army Barka - subordinate to the Council of Cyrenaica with its center in Benghazi; 4) "Guard for the protection of oil facilities" with headquarters in Ajdabiya. There is a process of formation of the fifth "army" - the armed forces of Fezzan. In addition to these large centers of power, there are hundreds of smaller armed groups in Libya (from outright organized criminal groups to self-defense detachments of settlements and tribes). Even prisons have their own armed groups. All the main gangs and "field units" have their connections in Tripoli, which are lobbying the interests of groups at the state level.



The authorities in Tripoli are not able to protect even the head of the government. October 10 world received another confirmation of the deplorable situation in which Libya was "democratized" Libya. A detachment of armed men seized the premier Ali Zeidan. A Libyan dignitary was kidnapped from the Corinthia Hotel, where several members of the government live. A few hours later, the prime minister was released. The militant structure “Operational headquarters of Libyan revolutionaries”, which is part of the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, was involved in the arrest of Zeidan. The interim prime minister was detained in connection with suspicions of criminal offenses against the state and state security, of "financial and administrative corruption." In turn, the Office of the Attorney General and the Ministry of Justice said they did not know anything about the charges. This arrest shows the depth of the degradation of the country's bureaucracy and the collapse of power. There is a clan struggle inside Libya, and the abduction of the prime minister is a kind of “muscle play”: one side showed its capabilities to the other.

The rifle gives rise to power. After the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya, the system of civil law relations degraded to the level when the availability of weapons and the number of weapons available in the association (family, clan, gender, tribe, police or military unit, etc.) decides everything. The population is almost without exception armed, the judicial and police systems are collapsed. Much of the conflict is solved by a weapon or the threat of its use. A similar approach is observed in almost any field. So, in September, the Libyan businessmen from Benghazi, not having received already paid cars from Ukraine, did not turn to judicial-legal structures, but hired gangsters who took the crew of a Ukrainian vessel hostage. Kiev was forced to give in to blackmail.

Inferno. The level of degradation of Libya and the customs prevailing there characterizes the "advice" of the Libyan government to Christians, they were advised to leave the country. The government of Libya reported that it could not guarantee security to Christians, and advised them to leave.

Libya has become a stronghold of radical Islam and has become a black market for weapons of regional importance. According to the UN Commission, over the past 12 months, the proliferation of weapons from Libya proceeded at “frightening rates” and covered new territories: the countries of West Africa, the eastern Mediterranean, and even the Horn of Africa. The illegal traffic of weapons from Libya contributes to fueling existing conflicts in Africa and on the east coast of the Mediterranean, adding to the arsenals of various forces, including overtly terrorist ones. Libyan weapons contribute to the conflict in Mali, added to the arsenals of the Somali Jamaat Al-Shabaab.

Libya has entered not only the source of weapons, but also militants with combat experience and ready to fight on the side of jihadists and local separatists in Mali, Mauritania, Algeria, Nigeria, Sudan and Syria. Thousands of men between the ages of 20 and 40 have become the mobilization reserve of jihadists and separatists. Only in Syria on the side of the gangs are fighting 5-7 thousand Libyan militants. In addition, the Libyan jihadists have established a channel for the supply of weapons to Syria. With the organizational and financial support of Qatar, as well as the support of the Turkish authorities, the field commanders of Benghazi organized the delivery of several large quantities of weapons through Turkey.

What awaits Libya next?

History teaches that the country, the citizens who succumbed to the slogans of "freedom", "justice" and participated in the destruction of their own statehood, usually takes a rather long half-life. At this time, people have to sip grief. "Man with a rifle" now defines the daily life of Libya. Unemployment, a sharp drop in incomes for the majority of the population and the growth of profits of the “neofeodalov”, the mass exodus from the country, a sharp increase in violence, loss of security, territorial, inter-tribal and inter-ethnic conflicts, racism, the growing influence of extremist and terrorist network structures is the present and future of Libya.

This period will continue until the charismatic personality of the level of Gaddafi and Castro appears, who will restore the unity of the country with iron and blood, rein in the neo-feudals, relying on ordinary people. We must not forget the fact that, unlike neighboring Egypt, which resembles a seething cauldron with an abundance of population and a lack of resources, Libya has all the objective possibilities for a stable existence. Libya has a small population (5-6 million) with large natural resources: oil, gas and water. In the southern part of Libya under the sands of the Sahara desert there are huge reserves of fresh water in the aquifers, which make it possible to irrigate thousands of hectares of farmland and develop agriculture.

Another possible future scenario for Libya is city-states. This is a kind of repetition of the ancient period of the history of Libya with the prosperous Greek city-states on the coast and the semi-wild tribes in the depths of the country. So, Misurata is almost completely autonomous. The city has its border with roadblocks, through them only those persons are allowed for whom the inhabitant of Misrata can vouch for. The power in the city belongs to the council, which includes local "patricians" (rich). The old bureaucracy is practically eliminated. Misurata Council brought order to the city, has a detachment in Tripoli. Houses and infrastructure destroyed during the revolution were restored, the country's largest seaport is successfully operating. The port of Mozurata has reached the pre-war level and receives more than 50% of cargo going to Libya. As in the ancient Greek and Italian cities of the Middle Ages, the main ideology is the enrichment of the citizens of the city. Doing business is maximally simplified, taxes are minimal, which led to significant economic growth (against the background of the general economic degradation of the country). The peculiarities of this city-state are: hatred for the heritage of Gaddafi - all people who were supporters of the deceased ruler or suspected of sympathizing with him were killed, thrown into prison or expelled; the surrounding settlements, where they supported Gaddafi, were destroyed, their inhabitants, on pain of death, were forbidden to return there; informal but overt black racism is flourishing. In addition, Misurata is the nest of drug traffickers who create here a base for the export of drugs to southern Europe. Through this transshipment point comes both heroin from Afghanistan and cocaine from Latin America.

True, we can not ignore the external factors. The destabilization of the Middle East continues to gain momentum. Overpopulated Egypt can explode. The energy of its explosion can be directed both inside the country (full-scale civil war), and outside. The Egyptian military elite may try to escape by launching an external expansion. A poorly populated and resource-rich Libya may seem like an ideal option. We must not forget that the factor of water (the problem of the Nile) for Egypt is a matter of life and death. If Egypt is deprived of most of the flow of the Nile, Cairo will have no choice: it will be necessary to seize Libyan stores.

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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2013 09: 13
    +1
    We need a new leader in LIBYA, but he will not appear soon and in his cruelty in establishing a state he will not differ much from other African rulers.
    Otherwise, the collapse of the state into small principalities is provided to the joy of OIL CAPITALISTS.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 28 October 2013 09: 47
      +4
      Divide and rule. The state that once opposed the United States has been destroyed. If it was planned, impressive. Although, after the destruction of the USSR, this is a trifle. I wonder how they handle China. Although it is possible there too, the main thing is to undermine the power, to feed the liberals-shitcrats - and "freedom, freedom".
    2. Civil
      Civil 28 October 2013 09: 49
      0
      The defeat of the country .... but there is no idiology that could capture the country ... except that the Islamic caliphate
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 28 October 2013 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        but there is no idiology that could capture the country ..

        As is, Gaddafi’s Green Book is a society based on Socialism and secular Islam.
        1. AVV
          AVV 28 October 2013 23: 59
          0
          Gaddafi will be remembered more than once! And the secular state, which he created for the people, and destroyed by mattresses !!! Fighters for homo-democratic values ​​!!!
    3. a52333
      a52333 28 October 2013 09: 52
      +9
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      to the joy of OIL CAPITALISTS.
      and what joy to them? Sarkozy could have rejoiced. The bankers were glad, they are there "personal" money of Gaddafi (about 200 billion). they did the same with Libya's money - they gave 15 billion to the new government and bit off 75% for themselves. And the oil industry workers, just a bummer, carried someone to work.
      1. dddym
        dddym 28 October 2013 17: 56
        +1
        bit off too fat a piece, now they will digest it for a very long time, in the end they will organize a new invasion in order to save ordinary citizens from gangs in Libya
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 28 October 2013 18: 38
          +2
          Quote: dddym
          bit off too fat a piece, now they will digest it for a very long time,

          Where?
          In Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya? It’s not about digestion already talking, pure indigestion!
          bully
    4. DEfindER
      DEfindER 28 October 2013 11: 53
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We need a new leader in LIVIA - but he will not appear soon

      What do you dislike about Safe Al-Islam, the legal successor of your father, and his large number of Libyans support him, though it’s not clear what’s happening to him, silence everywhere, Libya has become like a black information hole ..
  2. makarov
    makarov 28 October 2013 09: 23
    +6
    And why is it not mentioned in the material of the main ideologist of the war in Libya, Sarkozy?
    Why is there no where his comments about the situation in the country?
    One gets the impression that "the guy farted, and into the bushes", and you say sniff
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 28 October 2013 11: 56
      -7
      Quote: makarov
      And why is it not mentioned in the material of the main ideologist of the war in Libya, Sarkozy?

      Sarkozy did what France's interests demanded. What questions can be to it?
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 28 October 2013 17: 27
        +5
        Quote: vahatak
        Sarkozy did what France's interests demanded.

        French interests speak? What are these interests, if even with a massive brainwashing of the population, most of them spoke out against the war. What is the interest of making Arabs near their enemies? To increase the flow of migrants from Africa?
        Sarkozy defended the interests of big capital, and not French, because Of the billions taken from Gaddafi, France has gone very little, and they haven’t been given much access to Libyan oil. Actually, Sarkozy’s failure in the election of some unknown false socialist Åland, indicates a complete loss of public confidence.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 29 October 2013 01: 23
          -1
          Quote: DEfindER
          These are such interests

          If the people do not want war, this does not mean that it does not correspond to the interests of the state. The French did not have big losses. Of course, they spent the money, but it paid off, and Libyan oil has not yet been divided, so it is not known how much France will fall, although under Hollande (I agree with you that this is a weak politician) it will be more difficult.
          As for Sarkozy’s rating, the war just raised him, though this was not enough to win, because the French wanted social programs, not a powerful state.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 29 October 2013 11: 33
            0
            Quote: vahatak
            If the people do not want war, this does not mean that it does not correspond to the interests of the state.

            Very interesting opinion, i.e. the people of France are not the interests of France? And where did you see the interests of finance? If, under Gaddafi, Western countries and France primarily had good income from Libya, many western companies worked there. After the war, everything is destroyed and huge investments are needed to start doing business. Not to mention migrants. The people quite logically did not choose Sarkozl in the elections, he was ready to vote for anyone except him.
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 29 October 2013 12: 22
              +1
              Quote: DEfindER
              the people of France are not the interests of France?

              Politics is a complicated thing, and the broad masses (people) cannot always understand which way is more profitable.
              when I talk about interests, I mean, first of all, the political influence of France in the Mediterranean, and for this the strong points in Libya will not hurt at all. Sarkozy pursued an active foreign policy with the aim of enhancing the international role of France, and Hollande is concentrating on domestic issues. In a crisis and a reduction in government spending, the French chose the latter, although he was unable to fulfill his promises (populist, in a word).
      2. alone
        alone 28 October 2013 22: 24
        +1
        Sarkozy was afraid that the facts of financing his election campaign would be revealed.
        as we know, Gaddafi paid for his election campaign. If documentary facts surfaced, as well as a lively, but caught Gaddafi would talk about it in court, Sarkozy would become a political corpse and put him at least 15 years old. .
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 29 October 2013 01: 25
          0
          First, Gaddafi has not consolidated the entire company of Sarkozy; he had many sponsors.
          Secondly, despite this, we all know the fact of payment, so nothing was hidden.
          And third, Sarkozy is not the king of France, but just the president, he could not start a war because of his personal interests.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 29 October 2013 11: 43
            0
            Quote: vahatak
            And third, Sarkozy is not the king of France, but just the president, he could not start a war because of his personal interests.

            And I’m telling you the same thing, he didn’t fight for his personal interests and especially not for the people’s interests, because they ordered it and did it, otherwise he would have arranged for him a maid like Stroscana, and he would have understood everything, unlike the latter.
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 29 October 2013 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: DEfindER
              And I tell you the same thing

              So I do not answer you.
              Quote: DEfindER
              and especially not for the people

              I do not believe in the class struggle and the difference in interests of different groups of society. France (like any other state) has national interests that are common for the whole nation, and these interests demanded that France prove itself as the leader of this region and take possession of strong points on the other side of the sea, which it lost 50 years ago. The thing is that these socialists can lose everything, but this is not Sarkozy's fault.
              1. DEfindER
                DEfindER 29 October 2013 16: 50
                0
                Quote: vahatak
                so that France proves itself as the leader of this region and seizes strongholds on the other side of the sea

                As I wrote above, France lost this stronghold, creating chaos there, and destroying an economy that worked including France ..
                1. vahatak
                  vahatak 29 October 2013 17: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  As I wrote above, France has lost this strong point,

                  how can you lose what you don’t have? Gaddafi did not obey anyone, and the French were surely hoping or were still hoping to put their people in Libya, or at least in part of Libya, if it divided. Any gangsters there will not last long and more or less decent government will have to be created. Of course, many people will die before this, but this is not a problem for France.
  3. kafa
    kafa 28 October 2013 09: 27
    +3
    brewed west porridge in Libya but not simple but bloody .... The porridge is boiling already over the edge belay
    1. lars
      lars 28 October 2013 12: 18
      +1
      Already climbing, see Syria.
  4. vlad0
    vlad0 28 October 2013 09: 28
    +6
    "..... This period will continue until there is a charismatic personality of the level of Gaddafi and Castro, who" with iron and blood "will restore the unity of the country, bring the" neo-feudal lords "to rest, relying on ordinary people ...."

    It is possible for mono-ethnic and mono-religious countries that a model of the state imposed by the West would be suitable, but for Libya this, as was originally known, is not an option. The country from such a cesspool can only be pulled by a person comparable in will and authority to Gaddafi. But for this, again, it will be necessary to fill the country with blood, and first of all with the blood of thugs of misurata, zintan, benghazi. So that the rest for centuries will remember the inadmissibility of even an attempt to ruin the country.
    But this will be possible only after the United States loses its positions in the region and in the world as a whole. They did not start a multi-billion dollar game to give a chance to a new Gaddafi to appear in Libya, who would "ruin everything" for them.
  5. Petergut
    Petergut 28 October 2013 09: 34
    +8
    Hmm ... Libyans drank democracy. Over the edge they drank.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 28 October 2013 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: Petergut
      Hmm ... Libyans drank democracy. Over the edge drank

      There is some ...........
    2. alone
      alone 28 October 2013 22: 25
      0
      themselves are to blame. went about the village of democratizers. they lived very well.
  6. Marconi41
    Marconi41 28 October 2013 09: 35
    0
    The ancients said - Divide and conquer! Hundreds of years have passed, but nothing has changed. And in our world they say exactly the same!
    1. Rider
      Rider 28 October 2013 13: 30
      +4
      Quote: Marconi41
      The ancients said - Divide and conquer!

      correction:
      the ancients spoke share bleed and rule.

      removing the third link, this formula was a little "ennobled", but the bloody meaning remained the same.
  7. Fin
    Fin 28 October 2013 09: 48
    +3
    Thank you for the article. Everything is laid out on shelves.
    Yeah .. order will not be there for a long time, and neither will the country.
    Italy and other Mediterranean countries have faced the acute problem of illegal immigration.

    Italians need to organize a direct express train to Paris and send all refugees to an active participant in the invasion.
  8. RUSS
    RUSS 28 October 2013 09: 49
    +1
    "divide and rule" ! Or in this context "divide and plunder"!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 28 October 2013 10: 53
      +1
      There is also the expression "rob the loot"
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2013 09: 56
    +3
    The European states that supported the war against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi themselves already experience problems associated with the destabilization of Libya and other states of North Africa and the Middle East.

    And the flowers are ahead. More than once they will bite their own elbow, supporters of war.
  10. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 28 October 2013 09: 58
    +3
    Before, the Libyans lived quietly on petrodollars, and the Tunisians lived on tourism. Now they have nothing to eat and there is only one option left - to be brushwood for setting fire to third countries. If Syria falls, or, as it is now, its considerable territories will be in the hands of non-villains, then there will be even more brushwood, and more and more countries will blaze.
  11. Rinat 1
    Rinat 1 28 October 2013 09: 59
    12
    People themselves got what they wanted, US DEMOCRACY, but lived as in communism. What did they miss? Let now reap the benefits. They will remember Kadafi and the peace and order that reigned under him another million times. As they say, a better WORLD is better than a good war
    1. Guun
      Guun 28 October 2013 10: 20
      +2
      Ordinary people just supported Gaddafi, the uprising was organized by leaders dissatisfied with the fact that they got a little and their militia fought along with mercenaries against the regime of the Jamahiriya. As always, chocolate was taken away from the people.
    2. sincman
      sincman 28 October 2013 10: 26
      +7
      Quote: Rinat 1
      As they say, a better WORLD is better than a good war

      And this despite the fact that PEACE in Libya was far from bad! If not the best in terms of living standards in all of Africa ... Now another Somalia is a product of democratization and a vivid example of those who want to bring Masonic "democracy" into their homes! It is a pity that de-beels do not learn from such examples ... and are already stepping on their own rake!
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 28 October 2013 10: 55
      12
      Libya at least fell in battle, and the USSR was simply exchanged for chewing gum and jeans ...
    4. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 28 October 2013 12: 51
      +3
      People themselves got what they wanted, US DEMOCRACY, but lived as in communism. What did they miss?
      It is incorrect to say so. They didn’t want anything. Just fall for the manipulation. And this proves that the USSR, Yugoslavia, Libya-lost in the first place in the INFORMATION WAR.
      According to what is happening in people’s head, it’s impossible to shoot cannons or bomb from airplanes. This is a completely different battlefield and the weapons here are different. And the consequences are much more serious. A hot war is an echo, a physical manifestation of that invisible war, which had already been lost by the start of hostilities.
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 28 October 2013 21: 48
      +2
      Quote: Rinat 1
      the people themselves got what they wanted, US DEMOCRACY, but lived like in communism. What did they miss? Let now reap the benefits. They will remember Kadafi and the peace and order that reigned under him another million times. As they say, a better WORLD is better than a good war

      But their elections are recognized by the whole world, the most democratic!
    6. alone
      alone 28 October 2013 22: 26
      +1
      Quote: Rinat 1
      People themselves got what they wanted, US DEMOCRACY, but lived as in communism.


      so even in communism did not live how they lived.
  12. The gentleman
    The gentleman 28 October 2013 10: 35
    +1
    a return to the Middle Ages. when the territory was called a state, and the state consisted of tribes, regions and all the same had centralized power. The situation in Libya is anarchy, and it is extremely difficult to manage it. It will all go to Europe and then we'll see how they will cope with this problem.
  13. old man54
    old man54 28 October 2013 10: 46
    +6
    n-yes, with the general connivance of the leadership of today's Russia, we now have what we have! negative
  14. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 October 2013 11: 05
    +4
    Yes, we wanted the best, but it turned out funny. We wish success to all involved, and good luck. Especially Europe, Somalia in the Indian Ocean is funny, but "Somalia" 500 kilometers from Europe is no longer the case. After all, this will all end.
    1. TRex
      TRex 28 October 2013 11: 19
      10
      Funny talk? Gaddafi was especially funny - when he was killed ...
      I would like to wish all the "western" partners who took part in the "operation" that the crowds of ragamuffins with the "Kalash" got into their boats and went to visit: Italy, France ... then across the English Channel, then across the Atlantic ...
      In general, does anyone remember how it all began? Why didn’t Maumar arrange them? Costume?
      1. ka5280
        ka5280 28 October 2013 19: 42
        +2
        Muammar had an idea to refuse paper money settlements for oil. He wanted to convert payments for hydrocarbons into the gold equivalent. This was too much of a threat to global capitalists. Muammar was removed. Something like this.
  15. VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 October 2013 11: 10
    +3
    And I don’t feel sorry for them - "What we fought for, we ran into it!"
    And to others, this is a textbook example of what "Western democracy" means for others, why democracy should not mean permissiveness and impunity, why the law should be the same for everyone, how dangerous is the fifth column in the state, in the form of all fighters and human rights defenders, to what does the clannishness of power lead to and what is military superiority!
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 28 October 2013 17: 42
      +1
      Quote: VadimSt
      And I don’t feel sorry for them - "What we fought for, we ran into it!"

      And you do not know that all supposedly demonstrations of the people against Gaddafi were shot in Qatar, and in Libya they were so insignificant that our compatriots who were in Libya did not see them at all. But the Millions rally in support of Gaddafi in Tripoli was held regularly, so that NATO could not bomb the residence, the people covered themselves with their leader, so to speak. Who and what you fought for, I think it’s clearly not the Libyans themselves who wanted to destroy their country.
      1. Black
        Black 28 October 2013 18: 35
        +2
        Quote: DEfindER
        obviously not the Libyans themselves wanted to destroy their country.


        Gaddafi had to understand what friendship with Europe would bring. With Sarkazi kissing the gums, was the mind? Missile defense at the level of the 50s, is it not a guarantee of what happened ??

        And once again, and once again how they dealt with Libya, a mini-presentation of what they wanted to do (and have not refused so far) with Russia.
        America is far away, they don't care, but for the time being, "calm" Europe has already kindled a fire under its ass ...
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 29 October 2013 01: 28
        -1
        Quote: DEfindER
        I think it’s clearly not the Libyans themselves who wanted to destroy their country.

        Yes, there are no Libyans, there are different peoples with their interests and goals in life.
  16. Migari
    Migari 28 October 2013 11: 16
    +2
    Here they are the results of the democratization of Libya, and the liberation of its people from the tyrant. They killed the country and language in the ass, the same States, the clown Sorkazi and their kents by coalition, and not any praise and pride for such a generous gift to the people of Libya.
  17. vahatak
    vahatak 28 October 2013 12: 02
    +1
    Gaddafi himself is to blame for the fact that Libya is now a mess. He did not create a normal control system and gave power to some strange revolutionary councils. As a result, Gaddafi was killed, his advice fled, and nothing else unites the country. That is why it is necessary to have a cadre army, which even after the revolution will not lose weight, because professionals serve there, as well as some kind of bureaucratic apparatus that can rule the country under any power ..
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 28 October 2013 21: 15
      0
      And what did the professional army, the professional KGB, do when the Union collapsed?
      1. alone
        alone 28 October 2013 22: 29
        +2
        For 8 months the "non-personnel" army fought one on one with everyone. It took them a couple of hours to completely suppress the rebellion. The first NATO strike overtook them already in the center of Benghazi, in the stronghold of the rebellion.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 29 October 2013 01: 30
          -1
          Quote: lonely
          For 8 months the "non-personnel" army fought one on one with everyone.

          One group of robbers fought with another group.
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 29 October 2013 11: 27
            +1
            Quote: vahatak
            One group of robbers fought with another group.

            Gaddafi, at the request of his Western friends, was actively disarming (he believed in their tales of non-aggression) and by the beginning of the war he had only one brigade of Khamis that was very successful against Alkaida militants, and almost had already cleared Benghazi before the NATO invasion. Khamis incidentally studied military affairs in the Union.
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 29 October 2013 12: 17
              +1
              Quote: DEfindER
              Gaddafi at the request of his Western friends actively disarmed

              That's .
              And in the first comment I just said that the army should have paid more attention. with the amount of money that he had, it would not be difficult, but he actually dismissed the regular army, even did not give the officers the rank. His power was based on some sort of detachments of seemingly revolutionaries who fled at the first danger. Then he tried to collect the mercenaries, but we know what they stand in battle ...
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 29 October 2013 01: 29
        +1
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        And what did the professional army, the professional KGB, do when the Union collapsed?

        The army defended the independence of Russia, and the KGB put in the Kremlin you know who you are.
  18. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 October 2013 12: 40
    +3
    We don’t have to go back there. There is no longer any Libya and henceforth will not be. The West will not allow any center of power to gain sufficient weight. What is going on now will continue - the shooting of each by everyone. When the resource-bearing desert is sufficiently empty, that is, when the Libyans kill each other and scatter so that there remains 15% of their current number, some kind of coalition will be proclaimed. That is, it will be 4-5 gangs, tirelessly fighting among themselves. They will not be allowed to stop shooting, they are simply ordered to kill no higher than the norms of natural recovery of the population. The blue dream of the West will be realized - a resource territory with a population that copes with production and, in principle, is not able to put forward any requirements for mining corporations. Give a bit of bread - already happiness!
    To restore order there and bring the country back to life, full-fledged military action is necessary, with the destruction of at least half of the payroll of the gangs calling themselves "provincial armies." It is also necessary to catch and shoot thousands of non-people who, in an atmosphere of anarchy, appear in any country and do abominations out of craving for abominations. Gutted bellies, devoured livers, kids whose heads are smashed against a corner ... in a word, everything that the West loves so much in war. An attempt to carry out such a reorganization will raise an unprecedented wave of "criticism of the world community." This very public will declare about the massacres of civilians, about violations of international military conventions, about complete and terrible lawlessness on the part of "bloodthirsty Russian savages." Since we will have to carry out all this ourselves, the Libyans have not yet quenched their thirst for unpunished murder, we will still achieve their unanimous hatred.
    We have no place in this bloody mess. We can only try to make the West cost oil as much as possible. Through covert operations, huh ...
  19. individual
    individual 28 October 2013 12: 44
    +3
    According to the Libyan tragedy in Russia, liability measures have not yet been taken.
    It's time for LADY to pack her suitcase as an ambassador to Libya - to restore what was destroyed during his irresponsible rule.
    Debt good turn deserves another.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 28 October 2013 19: 24
      +1
      Enough nonsense already. If there hadn’t been Libya, Assad would have believed the West. And the Syrians would never have believed that they could do this to them. Only after the unfortunate Gaddafi, deceived, betrayed and tortured, only after torn to pieces in the Libyan state, only after the Great Fresh River, which will never give Africa a drink ...
  20. LSV
    LSV 28 October 2013 13: 06
    +1
    "This period will continue until a charismatic personality of the level of Gaddafi and Castro appears, who will restore the unity of the country with" iron and blood ", put the" neo-feudal lords "in line, relying on ordinary people"
    He is - Gadaffi seems to have one son left. Now he would be released from the investigation, I think he will avenge his father and brother Khamis.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 28 October 2013 16: 50
      +3
      Quote: LSV
      He is - Gadaffi seems to have one son left. Now he would be released from the investigation, I think he will avenge his father and brother Khamis.

      this only happens in Indian cinema. Everything in life is a little sadder: he’ll just be hanged like Saddam.
  21. LSV
    LSV 28 October 2013 13: 24
    +3
    The great man was, after all, what his river was worth. Uh, sorry, I did not fulfill all my plans.
    http://dokumentika.org/ekonomicheskoe-oruzhie/grandiozniy-proekt-kaddafi-velikay
    a-rukotvornaya-reka
  22. Romanychby
    Romanychby 28 October 2013 16: 23
    +2
    The brains of the soulless people were sprinkled with the brains of the Western way of life. And before, did they really live poorly? Wanted better? Now live! And there is nothing to portray victims of deception.
  23. Cynic
    Cynic 28 October 2013 17: 00
    +1
    Hmm.
    Here is at least one democratized country now lives normally?
    Those who fought back from happiness live more, less normally. But those who made democracy happy ...
    request
  24. SkiF_RnD
    SkiF_RnD 28 October 2013 17: 18
    +2
    In Russia, they said "simplicity is worse than theft" (and in the old days any crime could be called theft, the meaning of the word was slightly different).
    And to Libya, and to Yugoslavia, and to the USSR (and to the Russian Empire, 1917), this saying fits perfectly. The stupidity of simple, uneducated people, unable to soberly evaluate what is happening, amenable to influence from outside, is an effective weapon in the hands of the enemy.
  25. Altona
    Altona 28 October 2013 18: 36
    +1
    This scenario was predictable at the very beginning, but hotheads were so eager to start a war that they didn’t listen to any arguments ... In general, there is a destruction of truly independent states and rebellious uncontrolled leaders ...
  26. Bogranz
    Bogranz 28 October 2013 19: 43
    +1
    I read it with pleasure. Thanks to the author!
  27. GUSAR
    GUSAR 28 October 2013 20: 02
    +1
    The Libyans themselves are to blame - they had to defend their country, and there was nothing to regret them ...
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 28 October 2013 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: GUSAR
      The Libyans themselves are to blame - they had to defend their country, and there is nothing to regret them

      Yes, and we would also be in 1991 and especially in 1993.
  28. mr_Doom
    mr_Doom 28 October 2013 21: 32
    0
    It is clear that all the leaders of the countries in which the `` Spring '' took place, to put it mildly, are not very good people, but they are better than the Islamists ... The same Assad shoots out residential areas with artillery, in anticipation of the US bombing he moved equipment to the same residential areas, and if Islamists were in his place, there would have been horror inside the country + an increase in terrorism around the world.
    PS
    I hope at least Egypt will get out.
  29. Day 11
    Day 11 28 October 2013 22: 28
    +1
    And why the author did not mention the city of Sirte, because this is the estate of Gaddafi and the inhabitants fought for it until the last. What is the situation there now? Who knows?
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 29 October 2013 06: 42
      +1
      Quote: Den 11
      And why the author did not mention the city of Sirte, because this is the estate of Gaddafi and the inhabitants fought for it until the last. What is the situation there now? Who knows?

      In 2011, the city was occupied and partially destroyed. Control over the city was entrusted to one of the al-Qaeda gangs. The name of the gang is al-A'hrar Libya. There is a permanent confrontation between residents and members of this gang. On September 15, the inhabitants of Sirte paid tribute to the defenders of the Jamahiriya.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 29 October 2013 18: 28
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      ? Who is in the know?

      But this is a great secret!
      If you follow all the media reports, then through the efforts of the new government and its assistants, there is a dead zone.
      Which, unfortunately, is very similar to the truth.
      If it is very CAREFULLY to monitor, then messages in the general stream of messages slip that the new authorities are there none _ Who wants to shoot a bullet in the forehead or a grenade from an RPG to board a car. They live there and are not going to forget anyone, much less forgive!
      It seems that it was just one of Gaddafi’s killers (like even the last one!) They punched him there! Even taking him out for treatment in Europe (France) could not save! Injuries incompatible with life!
      1. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 30 October 2013 11: 50
        0
        Quote: Cynic
        It seems that it was just one of Gaddafi’s killers (like even the last one!) They punched him there! Even taking him out for treatment in Europe (France) could not save! Injuries incompatible with life!

        And from this place, please, in more detail, if possible.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 30 October 2013 12: 06
          0
          Quote: Egor-dis
          And from this place, please, in more detail, if possible.

          In the sense of ?
          I don’t remember exactly where, in due time, I learned about this fact. But it’s enough to type in any search engine the DEATH OF KADDAFI KILLERS a sea of ​​links will open
          Offhand
          In Libya, 20-year-old Imran Shaaban was killed, who killed Colonel Gaddafi with his golden pistol during last year’s revolution, Fars reports.
          Shaaban, not having time to receive the prize of $ 1 million appointed by the National Council for the murder of Gaddafi, was kidnapped in Bani Walid and was brutally tortured for 57 days.
          After a long effort to release him, the current government managed to extradite Imran Shaaban in a fainting state, after which he was treated in an American hospital in France, where he died.

          http://maxpark.com/community/stable-russia/content/1517442
          more...
          Omran Jumaa Shaaban was the "lucky" who, according to the official version, caught Gaddafi when he was hiding from a NATO strike in a drainage pipe. This fact is well known thanks to the numerous photo and video materials that capture the last minutes of the colonel's life. Omran Shaaban, who became a real celebrity, happily posed in front of numerous cameras, mocking a defenseless captive. Hardly at that moment he knew that very soon he would face the same fate.
          In July, Omran Shaaban and three of his friends were attacked by unknown people. During the shootout, he was wounded in the neck and stomach and was captured along with accomplices. What is characteristic, they kept him in the city of Bani Walid, well known to everyone who followed the Libyan war. Then he, along with Sirte, was called the last stronghold of the "Gaddafists." He retained this status to this day.

          http://dokwar.ru/publ/novosti_i_sobytija/mnenie/predateli_v_livii_mrut_kak_mukhi
          / 9-1-0-439
          more...
          26 September it became known that the Libyan “revolutionary” by the name of Omran Juma Shaan, who, together with his three friends, also fighters for freedom and democracy, were tortured and tortured for a long time in Bani Walid, died in a French hospital.
          The named Libyan city both was and remained an outpost of forces loyal to Colonel Gaddafi. The people of Bani Walid are loyal to the dead Muammar. Should not 20-year-old Shaaban appear near Bani Walid. I would have sat in Misrata and would not stick my nose out. Or you would go to France - Libyan "democrats" are traditionally given compliments there. But no: it was necessary to wander around Libya, to be photographed with Gaddafi’s golden gun. So I jumped. Not even managed to get eight hundred thousand dollars, promised for the capture of Muammar. However, no one was going to pay them.

          http://rufor.org/showthread.php?t=11395
          more...
          Meanwhile, this is not the first death of those who made the history of Libya a year ago with their own hands. Under mysterious circumstances, several more young people died who became direct participants in the capture, bullying and subsequent brutal murder of Muammar Gaddafi in Sirte on October 20, 2011. Meanwhile, according to the relatives of Shaaban, none of them received the promised 800 thousand dollars for the capture of the colonel.

          http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/1516230
          Their name is Legion!
          So, that is not so simple in Libya and inferal.
  30. vkrav
    vkrav 29 October 2013 10: 21
    +1
    "We will not forget our vocation - we bring death and chaos to people" (c) From the anthem of global democratizers.