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Media: Egypt wants to acquire large quantities of arms from Russia

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Media: Egypt wants to acquire large quantities of arms from Russia



The military who came to power in Egypt is extremely interested in acquiring large quantities. weapons Russia, after the United States suspended a number of defense supplies to Cairo, writes the British press.

The Egyptian military would like to get combat aircraft from Russia capable of operating at low altitudes, modern anti-tank missile systems. They are also interested in modernizing the Soviet tanks, which are in service with the Egyptian army, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the Sunday Times.

The newspaper reports that "at the beginning of this month, US Presidential Administration Barack Obama’s administration halted shipments of Egyptian Apache attack helicopters, Harpoon anti-ship cruise missiles, F-16 aircraft and tank spare parts to Egypt." At the same time, Washington refused to transfer 260 million dollars in financial assistance to the Egyptian armed forces.

“A vacuum has arisen in the strategic policy of Egypt, which opens up the possibility for Russia to fill it,” quotes the publication of the influential Egyptian analyst Moatah Abdel Fattah. In turn, Foreign Ministry spokesman ARE Badr Abdel Ati said that "our policy after 30 June is to create equal relations and partnerships, rather than maintaining unequal relations between the donor and the recipient."

3 July 2013, after lengthy protests in Egypt against the country's president, Mohammed Mursi, Egyptian Defense Minister Abdul Fatah Al-Sisi announced the overthrow of the president and the suspension of the Constitution. Mursi was placed under house arrest, and then was officially detained in connection with the presentation of a number of charges. More than 300 members of the Muslim Brotherhood Party were arrested in Cairo. Acting President was appointed chairman of the country's Constitutional Court Adly Mansur.

After the coup, the US and the EU suspended military-technical assistance to Egpit. Until recently, the annual military aid from the United States to Egypt amounted to 1,3 billion dollars.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 28 October 2013 07: 58 New
    +4
    And why? During the riots in Egypt, Russia sent humanitarian aid in grain. And the Egyptian politicians said, “Well, nobody gave anybody any help.
    And they eat a lot of bread there ...
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 October 2013 08: 14 New
      11
      Egypt just wants to send a signal to the United States, like we have an alternative! Do not rely on large contracts!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 October 2013 08: 27 New
        11
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Do not rely on large contracts

        Do not rely on contracts at all. The Egyptians have no money
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 28 October 2013 08: 36 New
          +3
          -Ramses2 (T 64) 260 pcs)
          -T55 (840 pcs)
          they can be upgraded

          And they produce abrams!
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 October 2013 08: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: ayyildiz
            And they produce abrams!

            Collected, not produced. Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams? laughing
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 28 October 2013 08: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Collect, not produce. Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams? laughing

              They also have Soviet stocks of military equipment, if I am not mistaken in a decent amount.
              1. Bosk
                Bosk 28 October 2013 09: 08 New
                +3
                Most of this equipment has long stood at the fence, and secondly, the Arabs long ago understood very well that any American or Russian equipment burns perfectly ... though the American cost and maintenance are much more expensive.
              2. atalef
                atalef 28 October 2013 12: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Phantom Revolution
                Quote: Professor
                Collect, not produce. Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams? laughing

                They also have Soviet stocks of military equipment, if I am not mistaken in a decent amount.

                Well, they left the bulk of Israel as trophies, and if you think that 40 year old equipment is worth something, then it’s just a question, for what purposes?
                1. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 28 October 2013 16: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: Phantom Revolution
                  Quote: Professor
                  Collect, not produce. Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams? laughing

                  They also have Soviet stocks of military equipment, if I am not mistaken in a decent amount.

                  Well, they left the bulk of Israel as trophies, and if you think that 40 year old equipment is worth something, then it’s just a question, for what purposes?


                  Bedouins in the desert to drive. Not in Israel, they climb in fact?
              3. alone
                alone 28 October 2013 23: 01 New
                0
                Quote: Phantom Revolution
                They also have Soviet stocks of military equipment, if I am not mistaken in a decent amount.


                well, about 1000 t-62 and t-55. and what will these tanks do against modern tanks?
            2. Wedmak
              Wedmak 28 October 2013 09: 02 New
              +2
              Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams?

              Of course it can! It is only necessary to initiate a program for dismantling American abrams for spare parts for Egyptian ones. I think we’ll even pay for it. To the Americans. Their own green candy wrappers. wink
            3. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 28 October 2013 16: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: ayyildiz
              And they produce abrams!

              Collected, not produced. Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams? laughing


              Russia, if desired, can even put spare parts on the Merkava ... there is only no desire ...
            4. APASUS
              APASUS 28 October 2013 19: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Collected, not produced. Is Russia able to supply components for Abrams?

              I think the Chinese will be able to easily. Under its own brand, naturally wink
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 October 2013 08: 43 New
            +5
            They do not produce them, they collect them. The Americans entrusted them with the production of only road wheels, caterpillar tracks, balancers and drive wheels.

            The Egyptians have no more money for the modernization of the tanks in storage.
          3. Kars
            Kars 28 October 2013 11: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: ayyildiz
            And they produce abrams!

            They do not produce, but assemble from car kits that the United States supplies.

            But where did they get the money for Russian equipment if they contain an army for American help.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              They don’t produce it, but collect it from the car kits that the United States supplies. But where did they get the money for Russian equipment if they contain an army for American help.

              The Americans pay Egypt for their position on Israel, they will not pay and the position will change. Egypt’s GDP is 500 billion, so there’s always money for weapons.
              1. Kars
                Kars 28 October 2013 14: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: Gluxar_
                Egypt’s GDP is 500 billion, so there’s always money for weapons.

                ))))))))
                http://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/egiptu-ugrozhaet-golod.html

                http://vseruss.com/novosti/mir-2/Egipet-ostanovilsya-na-poroge-bankrotstva-2278
                Ukraine will soon sell wheat there,
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  http://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/egiptu-ugrozhaet-golod.htmlhttp://vseruss.com/novosti/mi
                  r-2 / Egipet-ostanovilsya-na-poroge-bankrotstva-2278 Ukraine will sell wheat faster there,

                  So what ? In the USA, every fifth child is starving. You look from the position of a layman, the authorities perceive everything differently, and ensuring sovereignty is always more important than the hunger of a part of the population. For having lost sovereignty, the starving part of the population will simply die, and the rest will begin to starve. So it was and is.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 28 October 2013 15: 13 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    In the USA, every fifth child is starving.

                    Storyteller you however. In the United States, the problem is with childhood revitalization, not with childhood hunger. fool
                    1. Gluxar_
                      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 41 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      Storyteller you however. In the United States, the problem is with childhood revitalization, not with childhood hunger.

                      Slepenky you ours. In the US, problems with distribution. Every fifth child starves there, because every second child eats for two. And the studies conducted say that they can eat for three, and even for four.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2013 15: 46 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Gluxar_
                        In the US, problems with distribution. Every fifth child starves there, because every second child eats for two. And the studies conducted say that they can eat for three, and even for four.

                        His delirium are you able to confirm theses? For example, a World Health Organization report?

                        PS
                        I’ve visited America dozens of times, traveled far and wide, and have never seen a single child looking for food in a garbage can. Aw !!! Where are these millions of hungry children? Where are they hiding?
                      2. Gluxar_
                        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 24 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        You can confirm theses theses? For example, a report from the World Health Organization? PS I’ve been to America dozens of times, traveled far and wide, and have never seen a single child looking for food in a garbage can. Aw !!! Where are these millions of hungry children? Where are they hiding?

                        Here is my dope look
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dt1XxaIIQA

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fopzcGOoak
                        Maybe something in your head will get silky.
                        http://infocourier.com.ua/?p=14052
                        This is another study.
                        The USDA says nearly 60 million Americans are starving.

                        Learn guys and take off your glasses already, they distort the overall picture. I also visited the USA and did not see the starving there, but I did not go there for that. In Egypt, I also often rested and never saw a single hungry person; more then, take what you want in bulk food there. It is called "all inclusive".
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 29 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Gluxar_
                        Here is my dope look
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dt1XxaIIQA

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fopzcGOoak
                        Maybe something in your head will get silky.
                        http://infocourier.com.ua/?p=14052
                        This is another study.

                        Wonderful. As a journalist, in the past I can tell you how, to which cases and how such reports are made.

                        And then try again - we are talking about your statement: every fifth American child is starving. Do you have verified statistics?
                      4. Gluxar_
                        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 17: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And then try again - we are talking about your statement: every fifth American child is starving. Do you have verified statistics?

                        https://secure.strength.org/site/SPageNavigator/dd_2012_bts2_dpage.html
                        read.
                        http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/08/25/where-americas-children-are-going-hungry/


                        http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2011-05-10-new-face-of-hunger-food-
                        assistance_n.htm
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 October 2013 19: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Gluxar_
                        http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2011-05-10-new-face-of-hunger-food-

                        assistance_n.htm

                        Participation in an SNAP food program or another does not mean that the family or child is starving really. This means that the family receives less than some official income level. 37 of millions receiving food stamps is a little more than 11% of the population.

                        Next up is No Kid Hungry fundraising company - have you ever worked with charitable foundations? I - yes, and I don’t know firsthand how they operate with statistics and distort facts.

                        The Daily Finance again uses data from a charitable foundation, and speaks of "lack of food safety", which is a very loose concept and is often exploited. Where are we talking about real and massive hunger?
                      6. Gluxar_
                        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 21: 40 New
                        0
                        These are objective sources of information in a legal society. Statistics show 37 million households. Also, other measures of social support for those in need are not taken into account here. The fact that about 30% of all homeless people in the USA are former military men is also very significant. The USA is a very rich country and there are a lot of gobbling up there, but no less malnourished.
              2. alone
                alone 28 October 2013 23: 03 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                I’ve visited America dozens of times, traveled far and wide, and have never seen a single child looking for food in a garbage can. Aw !!! Where are these millions of hungry children? Where are they hiding?


                in Hollywood)) wassat
          4. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 28 October 2013 16: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Gluxar_
            In the USA, every fifth child is starving.

            Storyteller you however. In the United States, the problem is with childhood revitalization, not with childhood hunger. fool


            In the US, it's just a problem with obesity. More than half of the country is overweight. Actually, even the reason is known, but no one will fight it.
            1. Professor
              Professor 28 October 2013 20: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Geisenberg
              In the US, it's just a problem with obesity. More than half of the country is overweight. Actually, even the reason is known, but no one will fight it.

              There are many reasons, but the main one is cheap, affordable high-calorie food.
            2. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 29 October 2013 18: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Geisenberg
              In the US, it's just a problem with obesity. More than half of the country is overweight. Actually, even the reason is known, but no one will fight it.

              There are many reasons, but the main one is cheap, affordable high-calorie food.


              The reason is the use of heavy chemistry in meat production. And yes the easy availability of high-calorie foods ...
      2. atalef
        atalef 28 October 2013 15: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Quote: Kars
        http://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/egiptu-ugrozhaet-golod.htmlhttp://vseruss.com/novosti/mi

        r-2 / Egipet-ostanovilsya-na-poroge-bankrotstva-2278 Ukraine will sell wheat faster there,

        So what ? In the USA, every fifth child is starving. You look from the position of a layman, the authorities perceive everything differently, and ensuring sovereignty is always more important than the hunger of a part of the population. For having lost sovereignty, the starving part of the population will simply die, and the rest will begin to starve. So it was and is.

        Java, I will say a very simple thing. In the USA, there are no starving children (I’m not saying that at all, it can only be in the families of drug addicts and drunks), but there are no hungry people, we can talk about malnutrition (for example, the predominance of carbohydrates, lack of vegetables), but about hunger - no
        Listen to the service nat. insurance (especially before the adoption of the next budget, so that they would allocate more) so in Israel they are starving the same, so I’ll tell you there are no starving people, just no, no real starving, so much food for a penny, if the hungry always give it like that, so don’t believe propaganda, there is no nutritious (not healthy diet, so there are so many fat) hungry, and even more so malnourished --- no
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 46 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Java, I will say a very simple thing. In the USA, there are no starving children (I’m not saying that at all, it can only be in the families of drug addicts and drunks), but there are no hungry people, we can talk about malnutrition (for example, the predominance of carbohydrates, a lack of vegetables), but about hunger - no. nat. insurance (especially before the adoption of the next budget, so that they would allocate more) so in Israel they are starving the same, so I’ll tell you there are no starving people, just no, no real starving, so much food for a penny, if the hungry always give it like that, so don’t believe propaganda, there is no nutritious (not healthy diet, so there are so many fat) hungry, and even more so malnourished --- no

          I will tell you, do not believe the propaganda and take off the pink glasses. In the USA, every fifth child is starving, a third of adults eat on social assistance cards. The same is in England. It's just that people like you do not want to see this. This is not surprising, you have been brought up like that. But there is reality and it is scary. The world is generally starving, and the United States in particular.

          38 million Americans are systematically malnourished. These are shocking data published in the United States Department of Agriculture report. Malnutrition and hunger, as it turned out, are common for American senior citizens and families with children. The number of hungry people is growing along with the number of poor people.
          In the United States, one of the richest countries in the world, 38,2 million people are chronically malnourished, about 14 million of them children. These figures were released by the US Department of Agriculture. According to the study, the number of starving Americans is increasing every year and over the past five years has increased by 7 million people.

          http://vz.ru/economy/2005/10/31/11353.html
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Gluxar_
            I will tell you, do not believe the propaganda and take off the pink glasses. In the USA, every fifth child is starving, a third of adults eat on social assistance cards. The same is in England. It's just that people like you do not want to see this. This is not surprising, you have been brought up like that. But there is reality and it is scary. The world is generally starving, and the United States in particular.


            Once again - do you have materials from reputable sources about your data? With exact numbers.
          2. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 18: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            Once again - do you have materials from reputable sources about your data? With exact numbers.

            http://www.dni.ru/society/2010/2/3/184728.html
            Here are government studies, of course their data can safely be multiplied by 2.

            http://ers.usda.gov/publications/err-economic-research-report/err155/report-summ
            ary.aspx # .Um54RkCQyuJ
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 28 October 2013 19: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Gluxar_
            http://www.dni.ru/society/2010/2/3/184728.html

            What government research, if it is the data of charitable foundations collecting money for their campaigns?
            Are you aware of the rates of "malnutrition"? Do you know about the settlement system?
          4. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 21: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            What government research, if it's data from charitable foundations raising money for their campaigns, do you know what the rates of "malnutrition" are? Do you know about the settlement system?

            I know. And government organizations, like NGOs, also know and keep statistics. And the most flawed part of American society does not fall into these statistics, but there are plenty of illegal immigrants there. Malnutrition means that at least once a week a person does not eat at all, that is, he is starving. And this is in conditions when there are many programs for free breakfast and lunch throughout the country. The same situation is in Europe, but some characters like to hush it up.
        2. atalef
          atalef 28 October 2013 20: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Gluxar_
          http://www.dni.ru/society/2010/2/3/184728.html
          Here are government studies, of course their data can safely be multiplied by 2.

          Well, listen to our charitable foundations, as well as the national insurance service (especially before adopting a budget of 0, so we already have half of the population swollen with hunger, and those who are left are approaching it. Without hungry people, who will give them money. That's what you need to look for. This like Greenpeace --- only at the state level.
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 21: 47 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Well, listen to our charitable foundations, as well as the national insurance service (especially before adopting a budget of 0, so we already have half of the population swollen with hunger, and those who are left are approaching it. Without hungry people, who will give them money. That's what you need to look for. This like Greenpeace --- only at the state level.

          Well, these same funds predict famine in Egypt, as in the United States. So why is part of the information accepted, but uncomfortable rejected? The United States has never been a social state, because the fact of such massive hunger support programs speaks for itself - people cannot find themselves within the framework of the system that exists in the United States, a system that is not fair and flawed. And this is in the conditions when the country itself went bankrupt and hired trillions from the whole world and still starving population. And it's just about food we are talking about. There is a lot of it in the USA and it is relatively cheap. About many other social benefits, half of the country no longer stutters. And does this system want to teach someone? It’s ridiculous.
  2. atalef
    atalef 28 October 2013 20: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Gluxar_
    I will tell you, do not believe the propaganda and take off the pink glasses. In the United States, one in five children goes hungry


    Quote: Gluxar_
    In the United States, one of the richest countries in the world, 38,2 million people are chronically malnourished, about 14 million of them are children

    And how many people are in the USA? And how many percent is a fifth? How are you with math? I'm not saying that there is a difference between malnutrition (this indicates a diet, not hunger) and starve.
    I understand . what in your case, for that. in order to know the truth about the United States you do not need to know either English, and never fly there. laughing
  3. Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 21: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    And how many people are in the USA? And how many percent is a fifth? How are you with math? I'm not saying that there is a difference between malnutrition (this indicates a diet, not hunger) and starve. I understand . what in your case, for that. in order to know the truth about the United States you do not need to know either English, and never fly there.

    I have a population of more than 300 million in the United States; children are not the entire population, but part of it. This is so that you understand what it is about and where to look. This is not a total famine, but the fact that households do not have the means to feed their children before school is at stake. And this is in conditions when up to 60 million people receive food stamps, which are still not enough.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 28 October 2013 20: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    there are no starving people, there is simply no way, neither really starving, there is so much grub for a penny, if the hungry always give it like that, so don’t believe the propaganda, there’s not a full (not healthy diet, so there are so many fat) hungry, and even more so exhausted --- no


    How are there no starving heresies? What are you, but what about Ukraine. That's Prince Charles drank tea for the "starving" Jews of Ukraine
    Tea drinking took place at Clarence House - the Westminster residence of the Royal Family members in the presence of eighty activists of the London-based organization World Jewish Assistance
    The participants of the event, including volunteers and sponsors, highlighted the importance of such a charity program as the Ukrainian Livelihood Development Program. Representatives of The Maurice and Vivienne Wohl Foundations, a charitable foundation who took care of its funding, stressed the importance of new forms of assistance to the Jews of Ukraine, and, in particular, professional development and vocational training programs that will help people get out of poverty and have decent future wages. At the moment, this is a real alternative to the already popular direction to Ukraine of packages with humanitarian aid, and to a greater extent concerns the eastern regions of Ukraine.
    It remains only to ask the “starving” Jews of Ukraine themselves whether the tea drinking of Prince Charles has something to do with them and whether this is the British aid that comes to someone in Ukraine.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 28 October 2013 20: 40 New
      +1
      Former lawyer Joseph Hitler gives food to poor fellow citizens for free in the Israeli city of Haanana.

    2. atalef
      atalef 28 October 2013 20: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Ascetic
      Former lawyer Joseph Hitler gives free to the poor

      In general, he is not alone. my good friend got a daughter with a guy with the exact same name. A friend was a source of endless jokes. From you, Hitler will call dad, even if your mother-in-law was Kaplan in girlhood - a complete set laughing
      Although in truth, the surname of Adolf reads as Hitler (with a soft X) in all transcriptions, except for the Russian one, of course. Therefore, Hitler is a completely normal surname, which no one in Israel, and in the world (with the exception of the countries of the former USSR), pays attention.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 28 October 2013 22: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      Adolf reads like Hitler (with soft X)


      The warrant officer Hitler served in our unit. In a warehouse of fuels and lubricants. Everyone called him Natanych, by name they didn’t call Moveton. So they said, you’ll go to the ensign Natanych and so on. So many believed that Natanych is a surname. Like what kind of check or drill review has always happened with his last name a joke.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 28 October 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Gluxar_
    Egypt’s GDP is 500 billion, so there’s always money for weapons.

    ))))))))
    http://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/egiptu-ugrozhaet-golod.html

    http://vseruss.com/novosti/mir-2/Egipet-ostanovilsya-na-poroge-bankrotstva-2278
    Ukraine will soon sell wheat there,


    Ukraine will soon end all :) so it would be better to save wheat for it;)
  • vahatak
    vahatak 28 October 2013 16: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Gluxar_
    Egypt’s GDP is 500 billion, so there’s always money for weapons.

    And how many people?
    1. alone
      alone 28 October 2013 23: 05 New
      0
      80-85 million
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 27 New
    0
    Egypt paid for 1979 peace treaty
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 26 New
    0
    Qatar, Saudi Arabia. Now they are actively pouring money.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 13: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Do not rely on contracts at all. The Egyptians have no money

    No one has money today, but there will always be money for weapons.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 25 New
    0
    They are now actively sponsored by the Saudis and Qatar.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 28 October 2013 08: 30 New
    +2
    It seems that they are going to borrow if they read the article carefully, that’s what is alarming.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 28 October 2013 08: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Edward72
      It seems that they are going to borrow if they read the article carefully, that’s what is alarming.

      And they are not going to give this debt to the campaign. Throw as in the Soviet Union, the Arabs can not be bought, you can only rent for a while. They are fickle to horror and like a freebie oh.
    2. andr1966a
      andr1966a 28 October 2013 08: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Edward72
      It seems that they are going to borrow if they read the article carefully, that’s what is alarming.

      One can expect everything. First they will lend, and then these debts will be forgiven.
    3. atalef
      atalef 28 October 2013 12: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Edward72
      It seems that they are going to borrow if they read the article carefully, that’s what is alarming.

      But it seems that they never paid, at first the USSR supplied, then the States, and storytelling, of course to behave, here already the floor of the site is ready for the Egyptian brothers to give the last shirt
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 28 October 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    The Egyptians simply send the message to the Americans, they say, do not give, we will receive from others. And what money will they buy weapons for? Each year, Americans provided them with HELP for $ 1,3 billion.
    1. INTER
      INTER 28 October 2013 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: xetai9977
      Each year, Americans provided them with HELP for $ 1,3 billion.

      And they want the same help from us, and are not going to buy it!
      1. faraon
        faraon 28 October 2013 09: 17 New
        +1
        That's it, I’m talking about it, they are simply blackmailing the States, but for now they will hesitate to turn to Russia, and eight will give something under the guise of opening the Middle East arms market for Russia, and still have their own deviants.
        1. avt
          avt 28 October 2013 10: 40 New
          0
          Quote: faraon
          That's it, I’m talking about it, they are simply blackmailing the States, but for now they will hesitate to turn to Russia, and eight will give something under the guise of opening the Middle East arms market for Russia, and still have their own deviants.

          request Well, it is a well-known fact that Egyptian generals shit amer's "aid" and quite specifically divided up any kind of profitable business in the country. will. The result will be the same as under Sadat. Israel and Egypt are funding staff, so let Barak Huseynovich continue and wrestle.
    2. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 28 October 2013 09: 17 New
      0
      A payment program will be developed - "Weapons in exchange for tour vouchers." laughing
      1. avt
        avt 28 October 2013 11: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Old Skeptic
        A payment program will be developed - "Weapons in exchange for tour vouchers."

        Well, if only in exchange for a base in Alexandria, then one would think.
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 07 New
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      Quote: xetai9977
      The Egyptians simply send the message to the Americans, they say, do not give, we will receive from others. And what money will they buy weapons for? Each year, Americans provided them with HELP for $ 1,3 billion.

      Not so long ago, Iraq sent a message to the United States, but they did not hear overseas. Today there are already contracts for Russian weapons. Definitely the United States and the West as a whole are losing this region.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 October 2013 16: 47 New
      0
      Quote: xetai9977
      The Egyptians simply send the message to the Americans, they say, do not give, we will receive from others. And what money will they buy weapons for? Each year, Americans provided them with HELP for $ 1,3 billion.


      Wikipedia can be viewed. Egypt has money. I think the Americans simply "sent dough" to them, but they did not calculate that they could refuse the proposed democratization, Islamization and borodization there.
  • atalef
    atalef 28 October 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Egypt just wants to send a signal to the United States, like we have an alternative! Do not rely on large contracts!

    contracts, you laughed, the impoverished Egypt, for nothing can they take something, pay? Where the money came from, they’ve just strained it with Obama (this lesson will come, it’ll soon lose all allies in the BV), so they wave to him and give three green whistles, believe me, less than a month will pass, the Saudis will show Obama his place if, that Egypt will be given weapons by Israel (all the more so if you think normally), Egypt now does not need anything except spare parts and small arms and means to disperse the demonstrators, so what, there’s no one to fight Egypt, Israel in this situation, not only Egypt will attack, and will try to do everything so that the military’s power is preserved, there’s nothing for the article, there’s nothing to dream about, especially about the golden rain of contracts
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      contracts, you laughed, the impoverished Egypt, for nothing can they take something, pay? Where the money came from, they’ve just strained it with Obama (this lesson will come, it’ll soon lose all allies in the BV), so they wave to him and give three green whistles, believe me, less than a month will pass, the Saudis will show Obama his place if, that Egypt will be given weapons by Israel (all the more so if you think normally), Egypt now does not need anything except spare parts and small arms and means to disperse the demonstrators, so what, there’s no one to fight Egypt, Israel in this situation, not only Egypt will attack, and will try to do everything so that the military’s power is preserved, there’s nothing for the article, there’s nothing to dream about, especially about the golden rain of contracts

      Egypt’s military budget is about $ 20 billion, American aid is about 5%, so to speak, compensation for the expensive maintenance of American equipment and payments for loyalty to Israel.
      Today the situation in the region has changed a lot, tomorrow it will change even more. The United States betrayed the Egyptian military, and the Arabs do not forget this. The situation in the world has changed, the US is bankrupt and it is wise to seek new allies. The Saudis and Qatari also betrayed Egypt, therefore, the gaze turned to Russia (and, accordingly, Iran and Syria).

      Iran will not be ready to pay for isolation of Israel, not a small amount of money, but on the eve of a great war, and even more. Obviously, the United States merges both Israel and the Saudis. The region is waiting for a big mess, which means that for greater peace of mind, Russian weapons are needed for their fate. the logic of the Egyptian authorities is obvious.
      1. Professor
        Professor 28 October 2013 14: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Obviously, the United States merges both Israel and the Saudis.

        Another "strategist". And with what eyes is it seen? How is it shown?
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Another "strategist". And with what eyes is it seen? How is it shown?

          And you can see from the category "blind". Okay, I'll open your eyes. The United States is in talks with Iran, Iran continues its programs. The result is obvious when Iran gets everything it wants, it will become a leader in the region. The confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites will not end in Syria, but will be transferred to the Sunni states. Neither monarchies nor Israel have a chance against the Shiite crescent.

          Israel's well-being and military victories have always depended on the patronage of the United States and the West. Today, aid to Israel is reduced, and after the onset of bankruptcy in the United States, it will stop altogether. And we are talking not only about official aid, but also about all "private funds to help compatriots." Moreover, Israel finds itself in isolation, the break with Turkey is confirmation of this. Turkey is in NATO, Israel is not. It goes without saying that the US position on Egypt, as soon as the US stops paying tribute to Egypt, its loyalty to the issue of Israel will disappear. Already today, Egypt wants Russian weapons so that unpleasant surprises with the "western" do not await them.

          The United States announced several years ago that it was changing its priorities from BV to the APR. And all the past years have confirmed this. The failure of the Arab Spring policy has only accelerated these processes. In the new situation, it becomes obvious that the existence of Israel weighs on the United States, and it is better to get rid of a suitcase without handles.

          Many of these events apply to the monarchies of the bay.
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 October 2013 15: 36 New
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            Quote: Gluxar_
            Against the Shiite crescent, neither the monarchies nor Israel have a chance.

            Yes, you're still that strategist. The Shiite crescent could not cope with Iraq, and now it will defeat all together. Go, go, I serve on Saturdays.

            Quote: Gluxar_
            The well-being of Israel and its military victories have always rested with the patronage of the USA and the West.

            Learn history and do not be nonsense. Until the 60s, someone helped Israel "strongly". No foreign "adviser" has ever fought for Israel.

            Quote: Gluxar_
            Today, aid to Israel is declining, and after the onset of bankruptcy in the United States ceases altogether.

            Teach the materiel (how much help is to Israel and what it goes to) and don’t bring nonsense about US bankruptcy, they will print more money for themselves, and you will keep your savings in these pieces of paper. NATO, Turkey - everything is mixed up in your head. Not a single European soldier will ever fight for Turkey, much less with Israel.

            Quote: Gluxar_
            In the new situation, it becomes obvious that the existence of Israel is a burden for the United States, and it is better to get rid of a suitcase without handles.

            Again "obvious"? Why do you smoke that you see such things? You tell Aipak this, they will appreciate the evangelists, they will generally cry.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Yes, you're still that strategist. The Shiite crescent could not cope with Iraq, and now it will defeat all together. Go, go, I serve on Saturdays.

              The USA could not cope with Vietnam, and Georgia with South Ossetia. This means that this state of affairs will never change. Iran and Iraq fought so long, because all the power of empires pumped up both sides, burning both states. Today, thanks to the failure of the United States, Iraq is under the control of Iran. And the Shiite crescent will find an external enemy, and will not beat itself.
              Quote: Professor
              Learn history and do not be nonsense. Until the 60s, someone helped Israel "strongly". No foreign "adviser" has ever fought for Israel.

              Same to you. Did many Aboriginal advisers have? The first wave of Jewish invaders was just military specialists and veterans of the Second World War. A Jewish banker from around the world sponsored the genocide of local Arab Aborigines by all means. He does it today. Do not misinterpret the story.
              Quote: Professor
              Teach the materiel (how much help is to Israel and what it goes to) and don’t bring nonsense about US bankruptcy, they will print more money for themselves, and you will keep your savings in these pieces of paper. NATO, Turkey - everything is mixed up in your head. Not a single European soldier will ever fight for Turkey, much less with Israel.

              Continue to use the troll pattern words. Israel was and remains a subsidized military base for control of the BV. Jews and bankers from all over the world sponsor a state overseer. however, these structures are now in decline. The United States can print anything, but who will buy this paper from them? Will they eat it themselves? You are blind that you don’t see change, and that’s because they scare you.
              Turkey will not fight with Israel, but it will not support it. Israel is left alone in a hostile environment and without the financial injections of a Jewish banker.
              Quote: Professor
              Again "obvious"? Why do you smoke that you see such things? You tell Aipak this, they will appreciate the evangelists, they will generally cry.

              MORE MORE Troll Pearls. We ask. The joke about smoking was about the materiel too ... there are still billet thick-skinned you ours?
              1. Professor
                Professor 28 October 2013 16: 09 New
                -1
                Quote: Gluxar_
                The first wave of Jewish invaders was just military specialists and veterans of the Second World War.

                You are an ordinary troll. The first wave of Jewish "occupiers" the first aliyah was long before the Second World War and its veterans. And the funny thing is that these "occupiers" were met by aborigines of Jewish origin who lived in Safed, Jerusalem and other cities.

                Veteran of the Second World Joseph Trumpeldor. Rave. I don’t feed more trolls. hi
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  You are an ordinary troll. The first wave of Jewish "occupiers" the first aliyah was long before the Second World War and its veterans. And the funny thing is that these "occupiers" were met by aborigines of Jewish origin who lived in Safed, Jerusalem and other cities. WWII veteran Joseph Trumpeldor. Rave. I don't feed the troll anymore.

                  I said the first wave of invaders, not Jews. the fact that there Jews lived for centuries no one denies. I wrote only about the occupiers of the Jews. These are different concepts. But your community is always trying to mix porridge in order to catch fish in troubled waters ... your character is rotten.
              2. atalef
                atalef 28 October 2013 20: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: Gluxar_
                The USA could not cope with Vietnam, and Georgia with South Ossetia. This means that this state of affairs will never change.

                At the same time, Iraq rolled out in three weeks, and twice, given that Iran had been at war with Iraq for 7 years and achieved nothing. this means that Iran will roll out the USA in 3 weeks. and Vietnam could do it in 3 days.
                You are just a trollolo, knowing nothing and not understanding. To grandmothers on the bench, draw your calculations, maybe a ride. Adieu
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 21: 57 New
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  At the same time, Iraq rolled out in three weeks, and twice, given that Iran had been at war with Iraq for 7 years and achieved nothing. this means that Iran will roll out the USA in 3 weeks. and Vietnam could do it in 3 days at all. You are just a trollo who knows nothing and does not understand. To grandmothers on the bench, draw your calculations, maybe a ride. Adieu

                  I remember how the USA could not take one city in Iraq for half a year until they began to bomb it with chemical weapons. Iraq fell because it bought French shitty weapons with patches, because now everything is Russian and they want to buy it now. Iraq surrendered a second time for money, including from Iran’s submission, it was necessary for the Sunni minority to withdraw from power in order to create a Shiite crescent. Which is what happened. Today, Shiites control Iraq, Iraq purchases weapons from Russia, and the United States trades with Iran until it completes its strategic programs.

                  And then something that your nonsense could roll Vietnam, so tell Uncle ho, he will laugh.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 28 October 2013 15: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      nothing to dream about, especially about the golden rain of contracts


      Take some port for the base fellow . In extreme cases, a hotel for the Russian government. You do not know where there are more sharks off the coast?
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 October 2013 20: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Botanologist
        Take some port under the base. In extreme cases, a hotel for the Russian government. You do not know where there are more sharks off the coast?

        If only by port, and even then not erased. there’s nothing more to take from them.
        A hotel on the coast with sharks .... And what is Egypt - a dream of vacationers?
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 13: 57 New
    -2
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Egypt just wants to send a signal to the United States, like we have an alternative! Do not rely on large contracts!

    That is, you think that the next bankruptcy of the United States does not signal all players in the world that it is time to change horses?
    The Egyptian military has already been betrayed by the United States once, they don’t want to go in the second round. Cooperation with the United States to Egypt is beneficial, since the United States paid for nothing, for the loyalty to Israel from Egypt.
    If today Egypt is looking towards Russia, then we should not turn away so that it does not stand behind. If Russia has such an ally as Egypt, then the region will become ours.
    1. Realist58
      Realist58 28 October 2013 15: 13 New
      0
      In the hollow of such allies.
      The sane trading partner is buzzing, but the ally is nafig. Themselves at the tailbone of the problems with Wahhabism scored, let them first disentangle.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: Realist58
        In the hollow of such soyuznichkov. The sane trading partner is buzzing, and the ally is well, nafig. Themselves at the tailbone of the problems with Wahhabism scored, let them first disentangle.

        I don't understand your position and some members of the forum. Here, success itself asks for hands, and you spit. Ordinarily, it is necessary to SPEND billions to lobby for such a change in state policy, but here it is the result of the failure of our "partners". These are the cards in our hands, and we also decide how to deal with them. Egypt is now in a vulnerable position and we can dictate the terms. Activation of hostilities in the Sinai does not matter against whom and blocking the work of Suez by how much will lead to an increase in oil prices? For $ 20-30 per barrel, or for all 100? Yes, a week of trading at this rate, Russia will earn an additional $ 3 billion. Just out of thin air, as the British and Americans have always done. And if the crisis lasts longer? And if pirates are activated on a longer route, because Africa is now also not calm? Benefit can be from anything and as ever, look wider.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 October 2013 20: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Gluxar_
          ... Ordinarily, it is necessary to SPEND billions to lobby for such a change in state policy, but here it is the result of the failure of our "partners".

          Free cheese only in mousetrap

          Quote: Gluxar_
          . Egypt is now in a vulnerable position and we can dictate conditions

          In addition to laughter, nothing comes out, but that someone is already asking for something to dictate the conditions?
          In general, I began to read the continuation of your post and understood. I’d better not read it.
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 21: 58 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Free cheese only in mousetrap

            In this case, the cheese is not free, but paid for by the Americans. This frakera in a glade untwisted called.
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 October 2013 21: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Gluxar_
      The Egyptian military has already been betrayed by the United States once, they don’t want to go in the second round.

      Return to Russia. And who will go in the second round?
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 24 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Return to Russia. And who will go in the second round?

        Egypt did not do business with Russia, there were the USSR with their "agenda".
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 October 2013 19: 59 New
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    And the Egyptian politicians said, “Well, no one gave anyone any help.”

    In Egypt, corruption and embezzlement has the most ancient roots and grandmothers would be quickly pulled away, but grain still remains in the country
  • sscha
    sscha 28 October 2013 07: 59 New
    +2
    Seven times measure cut once! hi
  • tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 28 October 2013 07: 59 New
    +6
    Well, the races of Egypt want weapons, we are not against it, the main thing is to pay with cash.
  • awg75
    awg75 28 October 2013 07: 59 New
    +1
    while America on the eve of Snowden and Syria must immediately take advantage of the situation-occupy vacant niches
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 28 October 2013 11: 29 New
      0
      There is one counterexample - Libya, which "divorced" us, and "divorced" herself. Major contracts were lost, losses were not covered.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Tektor
        There is one counterexample - Libya, which "divorced" us, and "divorced" herself. Major contracts were lost, losses were not covered.

        The contracts were only on paper, so the losses were hypothetical. However, contracts are being revived today, so the situation is normalizing. Thanks to the victory in Syria, Russia gained such influence in the region, which was not even under the USSR. The position of Egypt is a confirmation of this, and unlike the USSR, Russia does not sell anything to anyone "for thanks".
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 October 2013 12: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: awg75
      while America on the eve of Snowden and Syria must immediately take advantage of the situation-occupy vacant niches

      As if not to be knocked out from these vacant niches, it’s like, God give us, that others are no good, the Americans allocated Egypt 4 billion a year, Russia certainly has that kind of money, although I don’t know, after this message, I’ll think for sure will end

      Poltavchenko: Petersburg is going to apply for the Olympic Games
      Such a sensational statement was made by the governor of the city after lighting a bowl of fire of the 2014 Winter Games on Palace Square. Celý článek na Poltavchenko: Petersburg is going to apply for the 2024 Summer Olympics
  • a52333
    a52333 28 October 2013 07: 59 New
    +5
    Nagan, you’re closer there. Kick Obama, is he alive there at all? !!! Something doesn't catch mice at all. wink fellow Huseynovich, wake up !!! There your harem chooses a new husband.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 28 October 2013 09: 48 New
      +3
      And I’d be glad to kick, but I still can’t find the time to go to Washington. But seriously, you’ll have to endure it until January 2017 sad . Well, the truth is there is hope that in 2014 the Republicans will intercept the Senate, and then Obama will become completely sour.
      And on the merits of the matter - General al-Sisi will hold an election with a very predictable result, that is, he will become a democratically elected president, with an equally democratically elected parliament where he will have a majority. And everything will be in chocolate, the State Department again will not be a mess to deal with it.
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 28 October 2013 12: 10 New
        +1
        That's right, of course, but the question is: Will the US be just as generous with a new "legally elected general" in Egypt?
      2. atalef
        atalef 28 October 2013 12: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        And I’d be glad to kick, but I still can’t find the time to go to Washington. But seriously, you’ll have to endure it until January 2017 sad . Well, the truth is there is hope that in 2014 the Republicans will intercept the Senate, and then Obama will become completely sour.
        And on the merits of the matter - General al-Sisi will hold an election with a very predictable result, that is, he will become a democratically elected president, with an equally democratically elected parliament where he will have a majority. And everything will be in chocolate, the State Department again will not be a mess to deal with it.

        In general, the Americans are still masochists who decided to choose Obama and tolerate him for two terms, probably to understand for sure and not repeat such a mistake in the next 200 years
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 29 New
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          In general, the Americans are still masochists who decided to choose Obama and tolerate him for two terms, probably to understand for sure and not repeat such a mistake in the next 200 years

          Well, they usually have it. Prior to this, they chose Bush, also for two terms, and also so as not to repeat such mistakes. Now Obama has been chosen for them, although his ratings are significantly higher than that of Bush Jr. It is clearly drawn that in the USA they choose for electors, and the rest of the show.
          I think we would all be amused by the position of the Americans in an alternative universe where McCain would have won, then Husseinich would have been accepted as the messiah.
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 October 2013 20: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Gluxar_
            . Prior to this, they chose Bush, also for two terms, and also so as not to repeat such mistakes.

            May God give America, a couple more Bushes, he was a man, for him there were no half-tones, it was black and white and he behaved as a man should. Maybe he was not completely educated, but he brought America to the superpower and broke the USSR --- = Reagan is an actor. We hope. that the third will come.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 02 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              May God give America, a couple more Bushes, he was a man, for him there were no half-tones, it was black and white and he behaved as a man should. Maybe he was not completely educated, but he brought America to the superpower and broke the USSR --- = Reagan is an actor. We hope. that the third will come.

              Bush Jr. was a typical down who was put in power by bankers, after counting in Florida at the behest of his brother. This dibil was not only stupid, but also a master to project his stupidity to the whole country. Before he came to power, the United States was the only superpower on the planet, after the United States became the largest bankrupt in the world and two new superpowers raised their heads, which today beat the United States completely in politics and in the economy.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 28 October 2013 19: 59 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          In general, the Americans are still masochists who decided to choose Obama and tolerate him for two terms, probably to understand for sure and not repeat such a mistake in the next 200 years

          People drive around with stickers on cars "Don't blame me, I voted for Romney" (don't blame me, I voted for Romney). I didn’t stick this one just because I don’t want to spoil the car with stickers in principle. And, driving through black places, for such a sticker you can get a stone in the glass, but I need it?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2013 08: 00 New
    +2
    Weapons please, only advance money with the obligation not to transfer it to the enemies of RUSSIA and terrorists.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 28 October 2013 10: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Weapon please, only money in advance
      So netuti money, because Uncle Sam did not send, not even enough for bread. They themselves cannot earn money, because they do not produce anything, and tourists with fear have stopped visiting them. So only if on credit with a high chance of default, and Russia needs it?
      Quote: The same Lech
      with an obligation not to transfer it to the enemies of RUSSIA and terrorists.
      And with this obligation they will offer you to wipe themselves when they decide that the right moment has come to whom to pass the thread to the thread. And since diplomatic documents are printed on good thick paper, be someone with a torn point.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        So netuti money, because Uncle Sam did not send, not even enough for bread. They themselves cannot earn money, because they do not produce anything, and tourists with fear have stopped visiting them. So only if on credit with a high chance of default, and Russia needs it?

        Well, they’ll find a billionaire, since the GDP is 500 billion. We don’t need much, so note that this is our edge. And control over Suez, and a support base in the region, and the weakening position of the Sunni monarchies, and the divorce of Israel on two fronts ... Egypt always has something valuable, is it not for nothing that the United States paid tribute to it for so many years?
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 October 2013 14: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Gluxar_
          Quote: Nagan
          So netuti money, because Uncle Sam did not send, not even enough for bread. They themselves cannot earn money, because they do not produce anything, and tourists with fear have stopped visiting them. So only if on credit with a high chance of default, and Russia needs it?

          Well, they’ll find a billionaire, since the GDP is 500 billion. We don’t need much, so note that this is our edge. And control over Suez, and a support base in the region, and the weakening position of the Sunni monarchies, and the divorce of Israel on two fronts ... Egypt always has something valuable, is it not for nothing that the United States paid tribute to it for so many years?

          257 billion to be precise, for a population of 85 million, it makes it already 135 in terms of per capita income in the world, as many as 5300 bucks, there are more in the Gaza Strip laughing
          The weakening of the Sunni monarchies - while the fat dries, the thin dies
          Control over the Suez, for a billion, isn't even funny
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            257 billion to be precise, for a population of 85 million, it makes it already 135 in terms of per capita income in the world, as many as 5300 bucks, in the Gaza Strip more. Weakening of the Sunni monarchies - while the fat one dries, the thin one dies. ,

            Egypt's economy is focused on domestic consumption, hence, at par prices, GDP will already be 540 billion dollars. So not everything is so bad. The country's economy has always grown, is growing today, albeit at a slower pace. Unlike the United States and Europe.
            The country has always been poor, but this never prevented her from buying weapons. Therefore, I think they will find several billion, just as Iraq found in Syria, the situation in which is even worse.
            1. Professor
              Professor 28 October 2013 15: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Gluxar_
              So not everything is so bad.

              Everything is much worse. Without external assistance, Egypt couldn’t even buy bread for its population, millions of unemployed, every 5th below the poverty line ...
              1. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 29 New
                -1
                Quote: Professor
                Everything is much worse. Without external assistance, Egypt couldn’t even buy bread for its population, millions of unemployed, every 5th below the poverty line ...

                Same as in the USA. Unemployment in Spain is even higher. This is called a crisis, and under such conditions, the government thinks about how to maintain power and sovereignty, and not how to feed all those in need. In times of crisis, the best-selling item is weapons, not bread.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 42 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Gluxar_
                  Same as in the USA. Unemployment in Spain is even higher. This is called a crisis, and under such conditions, the government thinks about how to maintain power and sovereignty, and not how to feed all those in need. In times of crisis, the best-selling item is weapons, not bread.

                  In the USA, unemployment is 7,2%.
                  1. Gluxar_
                    Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 18: 57 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Pimply
                    In the USA, unemployment is 7,2%.

                    The US problem in government debt in 17 090 215 000 dollars, and which continues to grow. Dozens of cities go bankrupt and even entire states. Not to mention the structure of the economy, when the service sector is 80% of the economy.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 October 2013 19: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Gluxar_

                      The US problem in government debt in 17 090 215 000 dollars, and which continues to grow. Dozens of cities go bankrupt and even entire states. Not to mention the structure of the economy, when the service sector is 80% of the economy.

                      Tell me, are you at least roughly versed in economics? Well, just a little bit. In post-industrial, for example. Do you know what a bankruptcy process is, what is debt, how can it be serviced, etc.?

                      You find the data well, that's right. You absolutely do not understand them, and do not know how to read them.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 28 October 2013 20: 45 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        You find the data well, that's right. You absolutely do not understand them, and do not know how to read them.

                        Well, Gluxar_ is not a reader, he is a writer.
                      2. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 28 October 2013 21: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Tell me, are you at least roughly versed in economics? Well, just a little bit. In post-industrial, for example.



                        One moment. If you do not retell liberal textbooks (with errors) about the theory of post-industrial economics, then tell us in more detail a stable ratio of production to services. Estonia, for example, may be post-industrial, but the USA or Russia can never. For one simple reason - any high-tech devices in the physical volume of vital needs make up a few percent. Where will you, postindustrial, get food, building materials, clothes and so on? It is clear that you proudly declare - from China. And with this you yourself give an answer to your question - there is no post-industrial economy as a formation. There is a governance and suppression structure of other countries, on the basis of which someone may pretend to be post-industrial. For if this is not so, and there is a post-industrial economy, it is logical that soon all the countries of the world will become post-industrial. So what? Never mind. Nobody buys computers (they all produce them themselves), nobody buys programs (each country has its own), etc.
                        And who will sew your clothes, sculpt plates, assemble cars?
                        So do not get involved in theories that are not very proven in practice.

                        Hence the conclusion: although you are trying to prove that America is not bankrupt, but these are your illusions. It’s just that she didn’t get to the logical end.
                        If you want to argue - then give the physical value of physical goods that are produced in the United States. You will be surprised how small this figure is in relation to the national debt. And the fact that their banking sector (which is part of the same service sector) is inflated is, dear, a virtual economy. five servers will fall - and this economy will not exist. The electrons will run out in the wire - and that's it, your "post-industrial" economy will disappear.
                      3. Gluxar_
                        Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 35 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Botanologist
                        Hence the conclusion: although you are trying to prove that America is not bankrupt, these are your illusions. It just didn’t come to its logical conclusion. If you want to argue, then give the physical value of physical goods that are produced in the United States. You will be surprised how small this figure is in relation to the national debt. And the fact that their banking sector (which is part of the same service sector) is inflated is, dear, a virtual economy. five servers will fall - and there will be no such economy. The electrons will run out in the wire - and that's it, your "post-industrial" economy will disappear.

                        Don't bother yourself. This is an ordinary troll. Or just a stupid creature. For the entire time of the "dialogue" he did not say anything about the current or the topic, but simply tries to divert the conversation from the main topic. The United States is bankrupt, like the entire Western world. Their innovations are really cool, but they don't apply to the real economy. The basis of the US GDP is the mortgage re-mortgage tab. And the United States will not have time to carry out a new industrialization, they have no resources for this, not people. The fact is that even if there were sick states that would pay for these construction projects, the products would still be uncompetitive. Even with total subsidies from the state, again with borrowed funds.
                        In metaphor, the United States is a fat, sick old man and he will not be able to change his life. the pension system is on the verge of collapse, health care is mortally painful, the financial sector is inflated and controlled by the government, and it all puts pressure on top of credit debt in the trillions, with domestic debts of states and cities to 70 trillion and is increasing every day.
                    2. Gluxar_
                      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 06 New
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                      Quote: Pimply
                      Tell me, are you at least roughly versed in economics? Well, just a little bit. In post-industrial, for example. Do you know what a bankruptcy process is, what a debt is, how it can be serviced, etc.? You find the data well, that’s right. You absolutely do not understand them, and do not know how to read them.

                      You essentially write something. How will the United States pay its debt if they have to create new debts every day to finance their system? Are you aware that the US has gone through 3 technical defaults and the fourth is scheduled for February 2014? Or do you doubt that a third of the states are in pre-default state? So these debts are not recorded in 17 trillion. Total US debt exceeds $ 70 trillion. This is an objective reality, not an empty scribble with excuses.

                      You know that from the moment of my previous comment, the United States took another 430 million dollars to survive, and this is only in one hour.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 28 October 2013 20: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Egypt's economy is focused on domestic consumption, hence, at par prices, GDP will already be 540 billion dollars. So not everything is so bad.

            And what, to take payment for weapons in Egyptian pounds or what are their candy wrappers called? And then what to buy on them? Only if there are a dozen more sphinxes for installation on the embankments, and even then it is necessary to watch so that the remake is not slipped.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 09 New
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              Quote: Nagan
              And what, to take payment for weapons in Egyptian pounds or what are their candy wrappers called? And then what to buy on them? Only if there are a dozen more sphinxes for installation on the embankments, and even then it is necessary to watch so that the remake is not slipped.

              In a country like Egypt, there is always something to take. In fact, only the threat of blocking the Suez Canal is beneficial. Or wars in the region and this will bring profit to Russia in a week more than the cost of supplying the required equipment. Otherwise, you can get a share in energy projects. The topic of the same base is also relevant, especially since such agreements "sew on" countries for decades.
          3. atalef
            atalef 28 October 2013 20: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Egypt's economy is focused on domestic consumption, hence, at par prices, GDP will already be 540 billion dollars

            So you are also an economist?

            Quote: Gluxar_
            So not everything is so bad

            Really. everything is very bad

            Quote: Gluxar_
            The country has always been poor, but it never stopped her from buying weapons

            Receive as a gift

            Quote: Gluxar_
            Therefore, I think they will find several billion, just as Iraq found in Syria, the situation in which is even worse.

            Lord, where are they taught?
  • Hudo
    Hudo 28 October 2013 08: 00 New
    +1
    If purchased, this is good. The main thing is that the matter does not get to the point that they again stepped on the Khrushchev rake.
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 28 October 2013 08: 03 New
    +1
    Egypt is reorienting its foreign policy, striving for friendly relations with Russia.
    this can be seen as the defeat of america in north africa.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 08: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Alikovo
      Egypt is reorienting its foreign policy, striving for friendly relations with Russia


      Egypt has a very short memory for good deeds.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: Alikovo
      Egypt is reorienting its foreign policy, striving for friendly relations with Russia. This can be regarded as the defeat of America in North Africa.

      I would add in the Middle East. They have only the last anchor left, this is Israel. However, in the current conditions, its existence is a matter of time.
      1. Professor
        Professor 28 October 2013 14: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Gluxar_
        I would add in the Middle East. They have only the last anchor left, this is Israel. However, in the current conditions, its existence is a matter of time.

        60 years they promise and promise everything. I'm afraid you will not live to such a joyful moment. wink
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 30 New
          -2
          Quote: Professor
          60 years they promise and promise everything. I'm afraid you will not live to such a joyful moment.

          If you suffer for a long time, something will work out. 60 years for a colony is the average age of life. The existence of Israel is not a question of the Jews, but the desire and opportunity of their masters. Today I’m sending my master, the state of Israel does not matter without this. With all the strength and support of the United States and all of NATO, it was not difficult to defeat the gathering of newly independent Aboriginal people. But today, these countries are only 60 years old and time plays on them.
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 October 2013 15: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Gluxar_
            With all the strength and support of the United States and all of NATO, it was not difficult to defeat the gathering of newly independent Aboriginal people.

            You are just lying or not at all in the subject. Help just provided the Arabs and the result on the face. So keep dreaming. So far, real estate prices in Israel are breaking all records. Why bother? wink
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 30 New
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              Quote: Professor
              You are just lying or not at all in the subject. Help just provided the Arabs and the result on the face. So keep dreaming. So far, real estate prices in Israel are breaking all records. Why bother?

              I have already described above. You can not read your mantras about materiel and learn history, I have immunity to trolls. Real estate prices are rising in both London and the United States, too, before collapsing. This is bankruptcy, she always wants to beat off her shekel. Even when everything will burn.
  • Enjoy
    Enjoy 28 October 2013 08: 09 New
    +2
    Any whim for наличные. It should be like that with Arabs - check payment seven times, deliver goods once.

    And so - to your health! Russian weapons, especially modern ones, are the first signs of an independent state.
  • makarov
    makarov 28 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +2
    Once they have already helped the "brotherly Egyptian people", and how did it end (?), The "brotherly people" handed over all the agreements to please the Americans, groaned and drove the giving hand. Do I need to step on the same "rake" (?), Let the government of the Russian Federation decide, they are paid money for this .......... and the benefits are by no means orphaned
  • DNX1970
    DNX1970 28 October 2013 08: 30 New
    0
    sell only for real money.
  • faraon
    faraon 28 October 2013 08: 32 New
    +1
    Egypt is reorienting its foreign policy, striving for friendly relations with Russia.
    this can be regarded as the defeat of america in north africa

    They still haven’t paid for the Aswan platinum, I don’t speak for the provided weapons and equipment. Egypt has now gotten eggs pinched. They don’t give money, they haven’t refused to supply weapons. for free.
    Egypt, Syria and all the Middle Eastern countries of the region can smile like those prostitutes from the red light district, but they are all oriented to the states, and in any case they will merge Russia as they have done more than once before.
    I don’t think that we need to amuse ourselves with the hope that if Russia enters the Middle East, it’s for ever. It’s not worth investing in the economies of these countries as they are initially focused on the United States. You don’t need to repeat the same mistakes. I think the attitude should add up goods money goods . and the fact that in this region there is oil and gas so "over the sea a heifer is half, but the transportation is expensive."

    The states in the wake of their financial crisis simply want to transfer Egypt to the temporary maintenance of Russia. That Russia began to pump its financial resources, thereby weakening itself economically. As it was before.
    So you shouldn't believe the "nanais who bring gifts", it's all a bluff.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 43 New
      -2
      Quote: faraon
      In the wake of its financial crisis, the United States simply wants to transfer Egypt for temporary maintenance to Russia. So that Russia would begin to siphon off its financial resources, thereby weakening itself economically. As it was before. So you should not believe the "Nanais who bring gifts", all this is a bluff.

      Americans are just bankrupt, that’s all. Their dementia in foreign policy led to the fact that they lost the most important region of the planet. Russia needs an exit to the African continent and Egypt can give this exit. Russia needs new buyers, and they appear. Russia needs control over this region and it is gradually gaining it.
      The US does not need a respite, but peace. If they leave BV today, then there will be nobody to return. It has already been announced that the US is primarily interested in the Asia-Pacific region, but after another bankruptcy it’s clear that there isn’t enough strength for this. Having removed his forces from the BV, he will in fact surrender the region to Russia and China. It is from here that the negotiations with Iran are hoping that it will become a buffer for China. For if China gains access to BV and all of Africa, then even the strength of all allies and the United States themselves will not be enough for parity in the Asia-Pacific region.
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 October 2013 14: 47 New
        +2
        Americans are just bankrupt, that’s all. Their dementia in foreign policy led to the fact that they lost the most important region of the planet. Russia needs an exit to the African continent and Egypt can give this exit. Russia needs new buyers, and they appear. Russia needs control over this region and it is gradually gaining it.
        The US does not need a respite, but peace. If they leave BV today, then there will be nobody to return. It has already been announced that the US is primarily interested in the Asia-Pacific region, but after another bankruptcy it’s clear that there isn’t enough strength for this. Having removed his forces from the BV, he will in fact surrender the region to Russia and China. It is from here that the negotiations with Iran are hoping that it will become a buffer for China. For if China gains access to BV and all of Africa, then even the strength of all allies and the United States themselves will not be enough for parity in the Asia-Pacific region.

        Sorry of course, but all of your comment, one complete nonsense, your dreams, completely divorced from reality, believe me, so they will remain your dreams, the UAE and the Saudis will throw them five or ten billion. They will enlighten Obama and everything will remain as it was.
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 38 New
          -2
          Quote: atalef
          Sorry of course, but all of your comment, one complete nonsense, your dreams, completely divorced from reality, believe me, so they will remain your dreams, the UAE and the Saudis will throw them five or ten billion. They will enlighten Obama and everything will remain as it was.

          I have met hundreds of people who simply write to abstracts or say "this is nonsense". They, as they were nobody and remained, without uttering a single common word or thought. You are no different from them in your commentary.

          As it was already definitely nothing left. Well, throw 5-10 so what? Iran can throw as much behind a second front against Israel. Russia is even more for its purposes, China can throw 20-30. The trend is important. Previously, there were no US competitors, today at least 3. The US has always cared for BV, today they are concerned about the Asia-Pacific region. The United States was strong, today they are weak and will not recover quickly, or even die. Before, there was no open religious war between Muslims, at least in the last 2 centuries, and there were no independent Muslim countries. Today, Iran has a missile and nuclear program. The Saudis are sponsors of terrorists, so retaliation will come to them anyway. Today, Iranians and Syrians can do this.

          I can go on and on, you can write "Sorry of course, but the whole Vsh comment, one sheer nonsense." Good luck
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 October 2013 15: 53 New
            +3
            I have met hundreds of people who simply write to abstracts or say "this is nonsense". They, as they were nobody and remained, without uttering a single common word or thought. You are no different from them in your commentary.

            Okay, I'll put it on the shelves.
            1. America is not bankrupt
            2. They did not lose the Middle East, and it is not necessary, from momentary misunderstandings, to put an end to America in the BV, due to the fact that the State is engaged in foreign policy. department, they Obama will insert brains pretty quickly
            3 Egypt cannot give access to the African continent. TK is simply an Arab country that does not have any special ties with the camps of Africa and even less influence on them
            4. Rossi needs control and she is gradually losing it, probably more correctly, call me at least one country in the BV except Syria and to some extent Israel, which would be friendly to Russia?
            5. The United States will never leave with BV, it’s not so stupid there, by the way the question is, if the states (in your opinion) leave the Far East for peace, why does Russia go there for hemorrhoids?
            6. Negotiations with Iran? Another opportunity to show the world that the United States is soft and fluffy and does not immediately go into war, especially since Iran is in such a situation that it is not difficult to break it
            7. China is already sitting in Africa, cooler than the states and Russia put together, but it will not climb on the BV, neither, China needs grandmas, not dismantling in a foreign field and sponsoring parasites, nor any such thing

            I hope I answered in some detail hi
            1. Professor
              Professor 28 October 2013 15: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Okay, I'll put it on the shelves.

              Do not feed the trolls!!!
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 28 October 2013 21: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Do not feed the trolls!!!


                Have you decided to arrange a famine? Ugly belay
                1. Professor
                  Professor 28 October 2013 22: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Botanologist
                  Have you decided to arrange a famine? Ugly

                  How is it possible? Trolls are obese and need a diet. wassat
                  1. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 28 October 2013 23: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Professor
                    Trolls are obese and need a diet


                    Let them frolic. If only they did not go beyond the framework. And then I recently argued with New Russia and Normal, and with sadness I realized that toll is much better than the Nazi. So let it be. You just need to figure out how to cook them when we feed. fellow
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 29 October 2013 09: 45 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Botanologist
                      You just need to figure out how to cook them when we feed.

                      The main thing here is not to wait, otherwise the meat will be tough like an old chicken.
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 56 New
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              Okay, I'll put it on the shelves.

              1. Give the facts. Hidden bankruptcy is not bankruptcy? Show the economic mechanisms as in the conditions of a negative economic balance. A constant budget deficit and a recession in the economy can return $ 19 trillion?

              2. The United States prosrali BV even under Bush, Obama added a pound. The momentary misunderstanding lasts from 1979. The United States and the West have controlled this region since the 18th century and even earlier. Today they do not control anyone except Bahrain. Already the tail begins to believe sabaka. This is a failure and there is not a single movement to restore its former influence in the region.

              3. How can it not? This is a key country in the region. Having gained a foothold in Egypt, you will receive all of North Africa. With Libya, too, everything is normalizing, with Algeria, too, all the rules. Russia has always had problems only with BV. And Egypt is the key to this. And without a buffer in the form of BV, access to Africa is not a problem at all, although now China is driving there. But North Africa is quite a Russian patrimony.

              4. Iran, Jordan, UAE, Syria. Now also Iraq. In general, all countries except the Saudis and Qatari. But here there are serious shifts. Russia does not lose control, but acquires, moreover, one that has never been before. BV is always controlled by the geopolitical opponents of Russia. And today the alignment is completely different. So you are mistaken.

              5. The USA leaves not because they want, but because they can’t cope and are weak. Russia comes because it is gaining strength. It is extremely beneficial for Russia to control its energy competitors, and therefore the costs are paid off. The United States simply spent money to control energy supplies, but now they do not have so much strength and the need for control is extremely nominal.

              6. So the point is to enter into negotiations if you can break it? Something the United States has never done, first they shoot and then they think. The resumption of negotiations is a recognition of Iran's strength, because Iran has not refused any of its demands. The United States has already shown itself to be weak and short-sighted, therefore it is now forced to listen to Iran and Russia. The weakness of the United States was immediately sensed by all Arab countries. Egypt's statement in this article confirms this. Negotiations of the Saudis with Russia from the same row. The United States failed in the BV, since it could not leave in time and shift the focus of attention to the APR, they decided that they could control the situation with much less resources, but in the end they even lost their "guaranteed" influence on the monarchies.

              7. He is already crawling into the BV, from the same as Russia vetoing the invasion of Syria, he sent his warships to the coast of Syria. Its air defense is in Syria. He continues to buy oil in Iran, despite the sanctions of the United States and the EU. But it does not go deeper, because it is concentrated on West and Central Africa and does not disperse forces like the United States. And China not only distributes money to all African countries, but also builds all the infrastructure there, more than the USSR in its time. That is why he receives control, and not in his own way. Only by providing assistance, and often you can gain a foothold in another region. This is the way of the great powers.

              You answered, but very superficially, and in some places and deceitfully. It would be better just to keep silent. I expected at least some kind of work from someone like you.
              1. atalef
                atalef 28 October 2013 19: 10 New
                +4
                You answered, but very superficially, and in some places and deceitfully. It would be better just to keep silent. I expected at least some kind of work from someone like you.

                He laughed, like your opus, how long will we wait when your prophecies come true? I’ll say one thing: States have not left, will not leave and will not leave. Russia will never (in the foreseeable future) take a place in the BV, you need to live here to understand all this, do not think that with the Obama’s position, BV will immediately begin to look for another patron , it’s not entirely clear who has anyone in their pockets (and it is enough for the Saudis with the UAE to scare the cancellation of military contracts worth over 80 billion) so that Obama would run on poles and bananas to clean the sheikhs, everything is done slowly in BV, Obama’s time will pass, politics is State Department
                therefore, all of your writings not only do not correspond to reality, but also reflects your complete lack of knowledge of the realities of BV, see less ORT, as they say, its opinion reflects only their point of view laughing
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 19: 31 New
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  He laughed, like your opus, how long will we wait when your prophecies come true? I’ll say one thing: States have not left, will not leave and will not leave. Russia will never (in the foreseeable future) take a place in the BV, you need to live here to understand all this, do not think that with the Obama’s position, BV will immediately begin to look for another patron , it’s not entirely clear who has anyone in their pockets (and it is enough for the Saudis with the UAE to scare the cancellation of military contracts worth over 80 billion) so that Obama would run on poles and bananas to clean the sheikhs, everything is done slowly in BV, Obama’s time will pass, politics is State Department therefore, all of your writings not only do not correspond to reality, but also reflects your complete lack of knowledge of the realities of BV, see less ORT, as they say, its opinion reflects only their point of view

                  You are too ideologically angered to notice that ORT has not existed for many years, and now it is called the "first channel".
                  It’s stupid to argue with you, but nothing comes of it except the argument. You do not give any facts or justified opinions. I do not need to live in BV in order to understand the situation there. I see how the situation on the whole planet is changing, and BV is only a special case, within the framework of which it is not difficult to give forecasts with a sufficient amount of input information. I have given you my arguments and forecasts, if you can refute them with facts. If not, keep quiet.

                  Of course, I am not saying that much of what I have described will come true this or next year, moreover, I didn’t write any “gags”. All these are real facts and trends, and we are talking about them. It is the dynamics of the events taking place over the past years that speaks on my side. As well as the fact is that the Egyptian government wants to acquire large quantities of Russian weapons. What the whole conversation is about.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 28 October 2013 20: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    You are too ideologically angered to notice that ORT has not existed for many years, and now it is called the "first channel"

                    horseradish radish is not sweeter

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    You do not give any facts or justified opinions

                    Except, I live here

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    I do not need to live in BV in order to understand the situation there.

                    Of course, it’s enough not to know Arabic, Hebrew, or even English. Only TV and Press in Russian, where does the opinion come from, if only for comparison

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    . I see how the situation is changing across the planets

                    belay

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    in the framework of which it is not difficult to give forecasts with a sufficient amount of background information.

                    belay laughing

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    I have given you my arguments and forecasts, if you can refute them with facts. If not, keep quiet.

                    Confirm your forecasts with facts

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    All these are real facts and trends.

                    Let's start with the main thing. USA is bankrupt. Confirm with facts or we understand bankrupt bankruptcy in different ways.
                    Take the US debt in relation to GDP, look at this indicator for the countries of Europe and tell me why Luxembourg, Spain and Ireland are already ten times bankrupt. France 2 times. Germany 1.5 etc. But Nigeria with Ethiopia --- generally at the top of power and prosperity. Nigeria has a debt in relation to GDP of -13% --- there is someone to equal, you first of all, because it is less than in Russia.

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    As well as the fact that the Egyptian government wants to acquire large quantities of Russian weapons

                    Ha ha ha. He laughed. I don’t even want to comment. They can * acquire * it only in exchange for deliveries by RUSSIA of humanitarian aid in the form of bread laughing
                    Приобрести , after all, a connoisseur of the situation in Egypt and the entire BV. laughing
                    1. Gluxar_
                      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 20 New
                      -2
                      Quote: atalef
                      Confirm your forecasts with facts

                      Read carefully. When the meeting of the ministers of 6 states takes place and negotiations are conducted with Iran, it is a fact that negotiations are being conducted. When it is said on the agenda that Iran is not giving up its right to enrich uranium, it is a fact. Etc. In my opinion, the time has come from you to get at least one fact. What makes you think that Russia will give weapons to Egypt for free? Or see what you think that Russia is not profitable to sell weapons to Egypt? What makes you think that Egypt does not have money to buy weapons? We are all waiting for the facts.

                      Quote: atalef
                      Let's start with the main thing. USA is bankrupt. Confirm with facts or we understand bankrupt bankruptcy in different ways. Take the US debt in relation to GDP, look at this indicator for the countries of Europe and tell me why Luxembourg, Spain and Ireland are already ten times bankrupt. France 2 times. Germany 1.5 etc. But Nigeria with Ethiopia --- generally at the top of power and prosperity. Nigeria has a debt in relation to GDP of -13% --- there is someone to equal, you first of all, because it is less than in Russia.

                      The US is bankrupt because they did not have money all of October to pay even civil servants. They have an inconsistent budget because they do not have money for all programs. And this is called bankruptcy. Etc. We will wait in February to pre-default, called default.

                      Those countries of Europe that you listed also bankrupt, I also said this. it's just that they, like the United States, are paving to play the pelvis, borrowing from each other and printing candy wrappers. Everything will collapse with the United States, as the system is one. That is why China begins to trade with its partners in RMB, and Russia in rubles. The same Gaddafi, 10 years ago, understood what was happening and wanted to introduce a gold dinar, but the bankers pulled him up. In an attempt to stay in power, they and their native peoples will be allowed to go under the knife, but this will not be enough for them.
            3. Botanologist
              Botanologist 28 October 2013 21: 51 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              put on shelves


              I agree with clauses 2,3,5,6 and 7.
              But there are many objections about 1 and 4. The fact that Russia is "losing" control - how can you lose what is not? For 20 years we have lost everything, nowhere else. Now, on the contrary, we are starting to establish control a little. Not fast, and not everywhere, but the road will be mastered by the walking one.
              As for item 1, I wrote to Pupyrchaty above. Now is not bankrupt. But the economy is completely disproportionate, and while maintaining current politics, the bankruptcy case is just around the corner. For a bankrupt is someone who has no money to pay a debt. Are there 17 trillion in the US budget? Or 8 trillions? Or at least 1 billion of money for payments? No. The budget is strictly in short supply, living on credit.
              So what are you talking about?
  • Guilty
    Guilty 28 October 2013 08: 38 New
    -1
    Can we also open peacekeeping bases there? So that during the next change of government, where could our tourists dive? There is no faith in Arabs, and contacting them is a waste of time. And besides weapons do they really not need anything from Russia? All this reminds a cheap divorce. In my opinion, the pro-American government is in power now, is it really worth taking such statements seriously?
  • Professor
    Professor 28 October 2013 08: 38 New
    +6
    Media: Egypt wants acquire large quantities of weapons from Russia

    Verb acquire in Russian does not always mean to buy. That is, you can acquire (take possession of) without paying money for it.
    Synonyms
    gain, receive; take possession of (something)
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 28 October 2013 15: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      gain, receive; take possession of (something)



      lol I will look at the process with interest occupation Egypt by our technology wassat
      1. Professor
        Professor 28 October 2013 15: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Botanologist
        I will look with interest at the process of capturing Egypt by our technology

        It happened more than once. The main thing is to promise "to get married and there will be equipment for free and even drugs will be supplied with it. Remind me or did you remember yourself?"
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 16: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: Professor
          It happened more than once. The main thing is to promise "to get married and there will be equipment for free and even drugs will be supplied with it. Remind me or did you remember yourself?"

          There was a time when Alaska and Crimea were given, there is something that we "integrate" Abkhazia and the Republic of South Ossetia. In modern Russian history, there have been no such examples, and new contracts will be concluded not by the USSR, but by Russia. That is why it was time "not appropriate" to hang up, there was a time when the Jews of Europe heated their stoves with Jews, maybe today the French ships come to Middle-earth for the same?
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 28 October 2013 21: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          The main thing is to promise "to get married and there will be equipment for free and even drugs will be supplied with it


          I still have a hope that the current government has learned a little of the lessons of history. And after "promise to marry" all the same they will crawl into panties without speaking. Well, after all, the Arabs are really not an easy people, you need to be specifically insured.
          1. Professor
            Professor 28 October 2013 22: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Botanologist
            I still have a hope that the current government has learned a little of the lessons of history. And after "promise to marry" all the same they will crawl into panties without speaking. Well, after all, the Arabs are really not an easy people, you need to be specifically insured.

            Why do you suddenly have such a feeling? Dad throws Russia "every Friday and Thursday" and nothing, they continue to feed him.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 28 October 2013 23: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Dad throws Russia "every Friday and Thursday" and nothing, they continue to feed him.


              Dad can tongue . But when you need to scare someone out of the very nervous ones, the Old Man is good. You don’t think that the guard dog should get its own food?
  • Ivan79
    Ivan79 28 October 2013 08: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: faraon
    Egypt, Syria and all the Middle Eastern countries of the region can smile like those prostitutes from the red light district ...

    At the expense of Egypt, perhaps, but about Syria, hesitate to say such a thing!
  • faraon
    faraon 28 October 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: Ivan79
    Quote: faraon
    Egypt, Syria and all the Middle Eastern countries of the region can smile like those prostitutes from the red light district ...

    At the expense of Egypt, perhaps, but about Syria, hesitate to say such a thing!

    And, you can object to me after the Doomsday War, they were one of the first to complain and demand compensation for the Soviet tanks that the Israelis killed. Now there’s nowhere to go to Syria, and ten years ago she sold herself to the States like Jordan, Egypt , Saudi Arabia.
    And as soon as she tried to pursue a more independent policy, then the USA was pulled by a leash.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 50 New
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      Quote: faraon
      And, you can object to me after the Doomsday War, they were one of the first to complain and demand compensation for the Soviet tanks that the Israelis killed. Now there’s nowhere to go to Syria, and ten years ago she sold herself to the States like Jordan, Egypt , Saudi Arabia. And as soon as she tried to pursue a more independent policy, the USA pulled her leash here.

      So ten years ago there was no one except the USA. If you look into history even further, just a little over 60 years ago, Syria was part of the West, or rather, its colony. As in other things, and Egypt. So, orientation to the West and the USA has been going on since the era of colonialism. But the historical fact remains that the influence of the West and the USA in this region have been steadily falling over the last century. And today, the final separation of this region from Western control is planned. The last rusty nail is Israel.
    2. catapractic
      catapractic 29 October 2013 12: 50 New
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      it’s just that they are all oiled in one world, our allies are our army and navy, the rest of Shusher’s fellow travelers.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 29 October 2013 15: 01 New
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        Quote: cataphractium
        it’s just that they are all oiled in one world, our allies are our army and navy, the rest of Shusher’s fellow travelers.

        But this does not mean that fellow travelers are not useful. If Egypt is ready to cooperate, then this must be used. Do not listen to the asking stupid.
  • 31231
    31231 28 October 2013 10: 16 New
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    I can not understand why they need ATGM ?! Are Israeli chariots about to burn ?! Or they want to have something muddy with terrorists ?!
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 October 2013 10: 20 New
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    Yeah! A problem with many unknowns. Unfortunately, one cannot look into the future, especially since there are no friends in politics. Although, sometimes it jars when you hear the words from "big politicians" - "our friends, our partners ... don't do that." So what kind of friends are they? Where are they? Hey! No! With such friends, "block the dams and heat the stoves."
  • creak
    creak 28 October 2013 10: 48 New
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    Russia occupies one of the leading places in the world in terms of the cancellation of debts to other countries, and it is quite solvent (for example, Iraq - $ 11 billion), the CMEA member countries, and a number of Southeast Asian countries. The total amount of debt that Russia, a generous soul, has forgiven to other countries since 2000 exceeded $ 100 billion. In response, not a single country has forgiven us a cent. At whose expense this attraction of unprecedented generosity is not difficult to guess ... But we stubbornly continue to provide loans in response to the promise to get new loans ... Since I know the Arabs (Egyptians, including) from our own experience, he tells me that as Putin once put it, we won’t get anything from Egypt other than ears from a dead donkey ... Not for the first time, by the way.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 14: 57 New
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      Quote: ranger
      Russia occupies one of the leading places in the world in terms of the cancellation of debts to other countries, and it is quite solvent (for example, Iraq - $ 11 billion), the CMEA member countries, and a number of Southeast Asian countries. The total amount of debt that Russia, a generous soul, has forgiven to other countries since 2000 exceeded $ 100 billion. In response, not a single country has forgiven us a cent. At whose expense this attraction of unprecedented generosity is not difficult to guess ... But we stubbornly continue to provide loans in response to the promise to get new loans ... Since I know the Arabs (Egyptians, including) from our own experience, he tells me that as Putin once put it, we won’t get anything from Egypt other than ears from a dead donkey ... Not for the first time, by the way.

      This is the so-called financial aid from developed countries, third world countries. During the same period, the United States and Europe wrote off more than $ 3 trillion. So Russia's contribution to the common cause is not as great as it seems. Moreover, debts are not written off just like that, but are replaced with business preferences. In the case of the same Iraq, most of the debt was converted into obtaining oil regions for the work of Russian companies. the same with the Caribbean country. This is a worldwide practice and you should not panic about it. Every day Europeans accept thousands of illegal immigrants from North Africa, build houses for them and give them subsidies ... and this is when the Europeans themselves are out of work and starving. The same is about Egypt, over the past 10 years, only the United States and Egypt alone "forgiven" more than $ 40 billion, and this is when half of the cities and states are almost bankrupt in the United States.
      This is the policy of countries that decide the fate of the whole world.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 28 October 2013 15: 20 New
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      Quote: ranger
      The total amount of debt that Russia, a generous soul, has forgiven to other countries since 2000 exceeded $ 100 billion.

      Europe alone wrote off 350 billion last year. Both external and internal debts.
  • avt
    avt 28 October 2013 11: 30 New
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    Quote: ranger
    Russia occupies one of the leading places in the world in terms of writing off debts to other countries,

    This is yes, but not entirely accurate. If you dig deeper, then in the nineties some people really warmed their hands on public debts, converting "them through commercial structures, well, there is a transfer of debt, for a small bribe, it seems like for a return, merchandising it and selling it somewhere like Cherkizon in Moscow or on similar gadyushniki in the regions, well, and accordingly, to hide it, it is best to write off everything at once. to go over the budget money and how Kudrin hacked to death for him, and dragged him out of prison. ”So Kudrin is not at his post, but he is in the Ministry of Finance.
  • creak
    creak 28 October 2013 12: 09 New
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    So I’m saying that this practice continues, although they say that it’s not the dashing nineties now ... After all, it is known that Egypt does not have living money to pay for armaments, the country's economy is torn apart ... Again, charity at the expense of a Bryansk man. ..
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 15: 01 New
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      Quote: ranger
      So I’m saying that this practice continues, although they say that it’s not the dashing nineties now ... After all, it is known that Egypt does not have living money to pay for armaments, the country's economy is torn apart ... Again, charity at the expense of a Bryansk man. ..

      To whom has Russia supplied weapons for free over the past 20 years? Do not forget that Russian weapons are still Russian science and production, jobs and the development of neighboring industries. And who when saved on weapons? The Egyptians will find a couple of billions, cut off other programs. In this matter, the avaricious pays twice. Where the trend is more important. Iraq buys, Syria buys, Iran too, Libya wants, Egypt wants, Saudis also want, Jordan buys. Trend.
      1. creak
        creak 28 October 2013 18: 03 New
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        Yes, the same Vietnam, which was debts of $ 11 billion was written off mainly for the supply of weapons ... But this country is completely solvent, could pay ... And can we really seriously consider the issue of arms supplies to Libya, which slowly but surely turning into Somalia and into whose hands can it fall? maybe those who defeated our embassy?
        And besides, all financial losses fall on the budget, and even without this we cannot make ends meet and cut down on social expenses. We are not so rich now that we can continue such charity further, because it cannot be called a trade, because the buyer must pay money, and not endlessly collect loans that he is not going to give back. As reported in March this year Putin at the Brix-Russia summit takes first place among the GXNUMX countries in terms of written-off debt. In my opinion, this is not an achievement that I can be proud of ...
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 19: 02 New
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          Quote: ranger
          Yes, the same Vietnam, which was debts of $ 11 billion was written off mainly for the supply of weapons ... But this country is completely solvent, could pay ... And can we really seriously consider the issue of arms supplies to Libya, which slowly but surely turning into Somalia and into whose hands can it fall? maybe those who defeated our embassy? And in addition, all financial losses fall on the budget, and without it we cannot make ends meet and cut down on social expenses. We are not so rich now that we can continue such charity further, because it cannot be called a trade, because the buyer must pay money, and not endlessly collect loans that he is not going to give back. As reported in March this year Putin at the Brix-Russia summit takes first place among the GXNUMX countries in terms of written-off debt. In my opinion, this is not an achievement that I can be proud of ...

          In Vietnam, we got our contracts, and this is the development of our economy. Nobody gives anything to anyone for free, they just don't always pay with paper. There are more valuable resources. Expenses do not fall on the budget, but on enterprises that produce products. and businesses will not sell for free.

          You do not read correctly even the news, Russia takes the FOURTH place in writing off debts to poor countries.

          The fact that Egypt turned to Russia with a proposal for cooperation is a clear success of Russia. Given that the Russian Federation did not spend its money on adding such a decision, the US paid $ 4 billion each year to Egypt. So who's the fools then?
          1. creak
            creak 28 October 2013 21: 13 New
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            I carefully read the news, and you in a polemical enthusiasm inattentively read my comment. I wrote the first place among the countries of the Group of Eight ... Egypt at one time roughly threw us, and nothing prevents it from being done a second time ... I once witnessed how the USSR almost immediately lost all its positions in this countries and I dare to assure you that I am not familiar with the Arab mentality by books and newspaper publications ... Those who are left in the cold will tell time, but don’t have any illusions about Egypt, but for the time being all the best ... PS And as for the fact that nothing is free supplied - and delivered and continues to be supplied, be sure.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 22: 22 New
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              Quote: ranger
              I carefully read the news, and you in a polemical enthusiasm inattentively read my comment. I wrote the first place among the countries of the Group of Eight ... Egypt at one time roughly threw us, and nothing prevents it from being done a second time ... I once witnessed how the USSR almost immediately lost all its positions in this countries and I dare to assure you that I am not familiar with the Arab mentality by books and newspaper publications ... Those who are left in the cold will tell time, but don’t have any illusions about Egypt, but for the time being all the best ... PS And as for the fact that nothing is free supplied - and delivered and continues to be supplied, be sure.

              If so, give modern examples. And again, the USSR defended its ideas for which it paid, it was a risky investment that did not materialize. If the Arabs knew how to fight better, the world would have developed in a completely different direction after the defeat of Israel and the revolution in the Gulf countries.
  • vahatak
    vahatak 28 October 2013 12: 17 New
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    The fact that Egypt did not pay for Soviet weapons is half the trouble. But the way they lost this weapon in the wars with Israel, and then the USSR was accused of giving them bad weapons, is generally enchanting. The day is not far off when they will reproach the Americans for having bad Abrams. And the fact that they themselves do not know how to shoot is nothing.
  • Guilty
    Guilty 28 October 2013 12: 59 New
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    And in my opinion, it was like that)))
    Egypt: Hey Syria, let's unite.
    Syria: ON FIG ?????
    Egypt: We will be one Arab Republic !!!! In Israel, will change)))
    Syria: Yes FIG knows ... And who will be?
    Egypt: call the Saudi, also Arabs ...
    At this time in the States.
    In the States: Sir, these clowns want to unite!
    States: Heh ... On a fig?
    In the United States: Israel would throw a trick, and they wanted to be independent.
    States (choking on righteous anger, sputtering): Yes, I have them !!! Yes, I have them !!! Look where it went !!! How to roll out on blooming !!! Independent, damn it !!!!!
    States: Okay, closer to the body. In the open climb, just fuck your reputation ...
    In the States (with sarcasm): From we are both white and with a fluff ...
    States: Gee ... Karoch, let’s muddle up the coup there, let the opposition get out there, loyal members to the masses, look, and what a coup d'etat. So there is no longer an independent president.
    In the States: And what about Saudi Che?
    States (in a sleepy voice): Fuck with her. There then, how do you tell me how the matter ended. Purely neighing.
    Has passed "then what?"
    In the States: Ummm .... Seeeer ....
    States: Yes, what do you need ?????
    In the States (embarrassed): There, Raska signed up for Syria.
    States: damn ... Che doing?
    In the States: They supply some sort of missiles.
    States (clutching his chest): RASHKU ???????
    In the States: Yes not. Raska suits them, all according to the law. Contract, all things.
    States: Okay, on Syria we’ll incriminate European morality, what kind of poop Syria will produce and poison its own. What about Egypt?
    In the States: There is a norm. Riots, pogroms, rallies of thousands. The independent man cannot resist, but the opposition asks to arm the army, it is necessary then to sit on the post somehow.
    States: Promise them everything, from cartridge to gondon. Everything will be to them.
    In the States (surprised): Che? And give?
    States: Of course not !!!!! Do want to! Got into a chair? So rejoice !!! To the green snot on the lapels.
    Well, then everything is in the know.
  • svp67
    svp67 28 October 2013 17: 04 New
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    After the coup, the US and the EU suspended military-technical assistance to Egpit. Until recently, the annual military aid from the United States to Egypt amounted to 1,3 billion dollars.

    They are BANKRUPTS and are now looking for a SPONSOR, or rather PATRON, for their army. I don’t think we should play this role and once again "step on the Egyptian rake ..." Let our tourists rejoice - this is our contribution to their treasury ...
  • UVB
    UVB 28 October 2013 23: 18 New
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    Quote: ayyildiz
    -Ramses2 (T 64) 260 pcs)
    -T55 (840 pcs)
    they can be upgraded

    And they produce abrams!

    And where did the Egyptians get the T-64? As far as I know, he did not ship abroad under the USSR, I admit that after the collapse he could get there, but such a quantity ?! Something was not heard of such supplies. Or am I wrong?
  • catapractic
    catapractic 28 October 2013 23: 21 New
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    wants to sell, BUT MONEY FORWARD