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The statement is not made from scratch. In the east of the country, the local press is actively discussing the topic of separatism. The possibility of creating a separate Siberian state is being conducted in full swing, economic prospects are being calculated - they are radiant on paper. Students are also actively involved in this work. Such studies are generously funded, and not only from abroad - it seems there are Russian oligarchs who support this adventure. Surely the answer will be given. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has recently initiated the introduction of criminal responsibility for calls for separatism. But it is necessary to formulate more rigidly: responsibility should be imposed not only for appeals, but also for propaganda of separatism.


“What are you, you son of a bitch, impostor, squander state lands? This way, no volosts can be saved! ”Winged words from the unforgettable“ Ivan Vasilyevich ”are more than relevant today, which I personally saw when I visited Irkutsk. The city is good and spiritual people. Moscow, of course, is disliked. Honestly, there is a reason. Alas, the capital in the eyes of the outskirts of the center of science and culture is increasingly turning into a city of traffickers, oligarchs and thievish officials, pumping resources from the rest of Russia. And there were already those who wished to take advantage of such sentiments, having reanimated the seemingly sunk project of Siberian separatism.

The first martyr of this idea was the governor of Siberia, Matvey Gagarin, who was hanged by Peter I in the 1721 year according to the totality of sins. In the middle of the 19th century, right after the Crimean War, which had one of the goals, as you know, separating several regions from Russia, pro-Western Siberian independence periodically appeared among the pro-Western "educated classes" —the so-called regionalists. However, since the foreign ears from this idea stuck out too noticeably, and the attitude towards foreign agents, especially those who attempted to "one and indivisible", in the Russian Empire was not in the least tolerant than in the current Russian Federation, those were promptly sent to penal servitude.

Another attempt to straddle the same theme was undertaken, using the confusion of 1905 – 1907, a certain Party of Siberian independence. The separatists in August 1917 again raised their heads. A year later, they even proclaimed independence, but not for long. But with rampant "perestroika" the idea of ​​separation flourished with a double color. Like toadstools after the rain, they got out of the liberal dregs of the 90 parties and even the “liberation armies” with proposals to create the Ural, Yenisei and Baikal-Amur republics. Well, and naturally, with the requirements of Russia to compensate for the "colonial exploitation". They tried in all seriousness to construct the “Siberian language” from the local dialects, and during the last census they persuaded people to sign up as “Siberians” in order to demonstrate the “will of the people” to secession. It didn’t work - out of tens of millions of Siberians, there were only a few “Siberian nationalities”. However, already in 2011, within the framework of who organized the all-Russian campaign “Stop feeding the Caucasus!” It is clear that a rally “Stop feeding Moscow!” Was held in Novosibirsk.

If someone thinks that the topic of Siberian independence is raised exclusively by marginals, he should be upset: the preparation is proceeding at the most serious level. For example, the pro-Civic Platform, supported by Prokhorov (and perhaps also funded by her), the liberal newspaper The Day of Siberia, publishes an interview with the Siberian separatist Mikhail Kulekhov (he is the editor-in-chief) about how simply called the country.

Here, on the next page, there is a material that, according to a sociological survey, only 44% of the inhabitants of Russia consider themselves Russians. Any normal person will understand what is behind this figure: most consider themselves to be Russians, Tatars, Buryats, etc. And the "Russians" only in the second place.

But liberals, as we know, see only what they want to see. In the comments of a social movement “Regional Alternative of Siberia”, published here, everything turns upside down: “More than half of the population do not feel like Russians, and therefore do not see the need for the existence of the Russian Federation”!

This Internet resource is called the “Website of the Siberian people”, its slogan is “For our Siberian homeland!”. By the way, the Day of Siberia supporting separatist ideas is by no means distributed at opposition rallies, but in state institutions - in courts, in local governments. And the party of Mr. Prokhorov herself went to the polls with the frankly “regional” slogan: “The riches of Siberia are Siberians!” And, by the way, received four mandates in the Irkutsk Regional Duma!

Gentlemen do not ignore dissenters with their attention and youth. I was surprised to learn that there is a “Siberian-American” faculty in the Irkutsk state university, notice. Not “Russian-American”, but specifically “Siberian”. In 2011, there was a very interesting work for the future: students designed the economy of Siberia, which separated from Russia and became an independent state. Of course - prosperous. They say that a lot of grants were received from overseas for this project. The case is far from being isolated. I was told how a seminar was held in the Pedagogical Institute about the possibility of the existence of Siberia without Russia.

The company of dissenters is not limited to Mr. Prokhorov’s Siberian colleagues alone. At least several western projects of this kind are known: in addition to Siberia, the Cossacks and Cherkessia, Great Finno-Ugoria and Idel-Ural (the Volga region and the Urals) are subject to rejection from Russia. The pseudo-Russian separatists are not far behind: some want to separate Ingermanlandia (St. Petersburg with adjacent territories), others want Northern Russia (the lands of the ancient Novgorod Republic occupied by the Muscovites), and others Zalesskaya Russia (approximately within the boundaries of the Grand Duchy of Moscow) . With all the variety of appetites, this motley gang has something in common - an obsessive idea to finish off (and not reunite) the ancestors collected by our ancestors, but now our Fatherland, torn to pieces by the living. And the general sponsors who direct and finance all such activities. Obviously, the same ones who like to speculate that, they say, Russia is not entitled to own Siberia alone, which is the property of the entire world community.

At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, integrity of Russia are those “red lines” that no one should enter. I want to believe that the corresponding decisions will follow these words. Yes, any person, a group of people and even an ethnos has the right to self-determination. But without a single square centimeter of Russian territory: do not like it - left.

If someone doesn’t try to gnaw a piece of Russia under the flag of “self-determination”, but at least calls for it, let him go to the landscaping of Mother Siberia under escort. It is big, there is enough space for everyone: both Turkic separatists, and Caucasian, and all others. And of course, Siberian - from the Irkutsk team of Mr. Prokhorov.
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  1. a52333
    a52333 28 October 2013 07: 55
    12
    Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 28 October 2013 08: 03
      19
      Thank God driving GDP.
      I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese. am
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 28 October 2013 08: 05
        -10 qualifying.
        Damansky Island was transferred under the USSR
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 28 October 2013 08: 10
          +9
          Not true!


          In 1991 and 1994, the parties were able to determine the border along its entire length except for the islands near Khabarovsk. Damansky Island was officially transferred to China in 1991. In 2004, an agreement was reached on the islands near Khabarovsk and on the Argun River. Today, the passage of the Russian-Chinese border along its entire length is established - this is about 4,3 thousand kilometers.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 28 October 2013 08: 20
            +4
            In 1991, we still lived in the USSR
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 28 October 2013 08: 28
              10
              The island belonged to the RSFSR and without the consent of YELTSIN it could not be transferred to the Chinese.
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 28 October 2013 08: 40
                +1
                You are talking about GDP, now EBN
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 28 October 2013 09: 39
                  -9
                  You are talking about GDP, now EBN

                  EBN in the next world and ask who you need.
                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 28 October 2013 09: 43
                    16
                    Iron logic, let's answer for the sale of Alaska
                    1. APES
                      APES 28 October 2013 10: 30
                      -3
                      Quote: ivshubarin
                      let's answer for the sale of Alaska

                      it is leased temporarily crying
                      1. ivshubarin
                        ivshubarin 28 October 2013 10: 37
                        +8
                        Alaska sold for $ 7,2 million by Emperor Alexander 2
                      2. wk-083
                        wk-083 1 November 2013 20: 24
                        0
                        Where is the rent money?
                  2. d_trader
                    d_trader 28 October 2013 19: 45
                    +1
                    Let us ask you ?!
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 28 October 2013 12: 20
                +7
                Quote: The same Lech
                without the consent of YELTSIN, they could not give it to the Chinese.

                And with the consent of EBNya, too
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 October 2013 14: 02
                  +7
                  Crimea was transferred under the USSR without any referendum.
                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 28 October 2013 14: 14
                    +9
                    All southern territories were transferred to Crimea to Ukraine, which had no access to the Black Sea
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 28 October 2013 16: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Crimea was transferred under the USSR without any referendum.

                    AND? Thus, the Constitution was violated, or what?
                    1. ivshubarin
                      ivshubarin 28 October 2013 16: 09
                      0
                      What a referendum, we were one country and were not going to secede
              3. wk-083
                wk-083 1 November 2013 20: 28
                0
                Gorbachev conveyed, EBN did not solve questions of the state border of the USSR.
          2. O_RUS
            O_RUS 28 October 2013 10: 21
            +2
            Could you share the sources? Interested in transferring land to other states starting from 90g
            Thank you
        2. starshina78
          starshina78 28 October 2013 10: 56
          +4
          In the USSR, he was gouged in March 1969 with Grads, together with a regiment of Chinese!
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 28 October 2013 20: 56
            0
            Then the BTR-60 proved to be a real tank
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. Basarev
          Basarev 28 October 2013 20: 53
          0
          Gorbachev calmly took this beast and gave it for a penny Damansky
          1. alone
            alone 28 October 2013 23: 11
            0
            Quote: Basarev
            Gorbachev calmly took this beast and gave it for a penny Damansky


            if he gave for pennies would he become a saint? strange logic !!
        5. wk-083
          wk-083 1 November 2013 20: 30
          0
          Why comrade minus ?! because he is right.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 28 October 2013 09: 00
        15
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese. am

        I am also offended that the military labor and feat of our border guards was in vain.
        As far as I know, the reason for the transfer of the island was the principle of border formation itself. According to international standards, the border runs along the fairway of the river. With the Chinese, the border was laid along their shore. Well done were our ancestors.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 28 October 2013 09: 09
          +9
          In general, the right and left (up to Vladivostok) coasts of the Amur finally only with Alexander II retreated to the Russian Empire. The Chinese are still muddying with the border, building dams and moving the Amur fairway to our territory
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 28 October 2013 11: 22
            16
            Fairways along with channels tend to change, incl. and artificially. It is necessary to geographically fix the coordinates of the borders, i.e. each point of the border should have a CONSTANT ITS latitude and longitude. And so many disputes will go away by themselves.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 28 October 2013 09: 45
        -5
        Quote: The same Lech
        Thank God driving GDP.
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese. am


        Who cares what you want there?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 28 October 2013 10: 13
          +6
          I care, if you do not care about it then I do not care. am
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 28 October 2013 15: 44
            -8
            Quote: The same Lech
            I care, if you do not care about it then I do not care. am


            Judging by the text, you're a fanatic. Your statements give extremism. Wash you just need to grow up?
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 28 October 2013 15: 58
              +2
              Quote: Geisenberg
              Your statements give extremism.



              The same LEKHA: on what basis the island DAMANSKY was transferred

              Extremism on the face, first they ask on what basis, then they ask where the money disappeared, and there it’s not far from treason!)
            2. Same lech
              Same lech 29 October 2013 03: 35
              0
              From yourself start wise guy.
          2. fedorovith
            fedorovith 28 October 2013 19: 19
            0
            Do not worry there is almost none.
      4. Fin
        Fin 28 October 2013 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I would like to know on what basis the island DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese

        This has recently been an article on VO. Look maybe there will be fewer questions.
      5. alicante11
        alicante11 28 October 2013 11: 56
        +3
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese.


        On the basis of the Aigun Treaty, which after 2 years was promptly replaced by the Peking Treaty, signed virtually at the muzzle of the Anglo-French cannons that threatened Beijing as a result of the 2nd Opium War. That is, the last contract is purely unequal and unfair. And from the point of view of justice and humanity, its revision is justified. True, in politics there is no justice and humanity. However, all the same, the Chinese can say a big "salvation" to Khrushch and the hunchbacked ugly, the first of which recognized the border according to the provisions of 1919 on the river, and the second, in principle, refused the provisions of the Beijing Treaty. And if Khrushchev's concessions can somehow be explained by attempts to improve relations with our lesser communist brothers, which he himself ruined by his "debunking of the personality cult," then the latter's actions, in principle, defy any definition except betrayal. In such a situation, the concession of several small islands and half of the Bolshoi Ussuriysk was inevitable from a legal and diplomatic point of view. By and large, thanks to the "Tambov comrade" Khrushchev, as soon as the Japanese moderate their appetite, they will receive two southern islands from the Kuril chain.
      6. lev1759
        lev1759 28 October 2013 19: 08
        0
        The island was transferred on the grounds that, according to the agreement, the island should belong to the side closer to which they are located. This applies not only to Damansky Island, but to all other islands. Damansky is separated from the Chinese side by a small channel that constantly silted.
      7. maxcor1974
        maxcor1974 28 October 2013 19: 45
        +3
        Same lech
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese.

        Stop beating yourself in the chest with burning patriotism. Even in the 70x the channel of the Ussuri River changed and the island remained on the Chinese side of it. According to the Soviet-and then Russian-Chinese treaties, the border on the rivers passes along the fairways. So the grounds are quite legal.
        And by now Damansky has ceased to be an island at all, it has been connected by an isthmus with China.
        I’ll tell you more, to the south, on the Tumangan River, our neighbors specially carried out soil work on the river in order to wash our shore. And everything was also legal. A little more and the building of our outpost would have been washed away ... And at the beginning of the 2000 thousandths, they finally decided to start work on our part. And again, everything is legal ...
        In general, read more and less emotions.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 29 October 2013 15: 42
          0
          You know that the Chinese are carrying out irrigation work to wash the coasts in disputed territories, which prevents us from doing the same, or we can silently agree with everything that happens with these islands.
          As I see it, it’s easiest for you to kick your compatriot than to root for your homeland.
    2. domokl
      domokl 28 October 2013 08: 37
      22
      Quote: a52333
      and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.

      Well, it's you in vain. Sibiryakov frosts and place of residence are not particularly scared. We do not live in Sochi anyway.
      But according to the article, indeed, such moods, especially among students, became noticeable. The older generation does not think outside Russia, but the youth ... And this is primarily due to the loss of attractiveness of many Siberian cities, the lack of prospects for life in them.
      It is no secret that the cities of Siberia are mostly tied to the defense industry, the scientific, engineering and technical potential of this particular industry. And the current situation is that money is invested, in many ways, in other enterprises closer to the center. Specialists are forced to leave. young.
      But Siberia was, is and will be Russia. And about what to call it ... - I, too, am a country my country is a country. In Altai is also a country. Yakutia is a country. And so? We are Russia and it remains.
      Only now, Russia should think about how to make sure that a huge part of it does not depopulate at all ... or is not covered ...
      1. INTER
        INTER 28 October 2013 08: 56
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        Quote: domokl
        Only now, Russia should think about how to make sure that a huge part of it does not depopulate at all ... or is not covered ...

        For the development of the country, including remote areas, you need to build a capital in the middle of the country. Thus, Moscow will unload, just as Peter and the east will develop!
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 28 October 2013 11: 54
        14
        Quote: domokl
        Only now, Russia should think about how to make sure that a huge part of it does not depopulate at all ... or is not covered ...

        Not RUSSIA, but Moscow with our beloved Vladimir Putin! He had a lot of time, and he will still, will he not leave us in a difficult year? (His future fourth term in galleys). I personally have no doubt that he will not hand over the president’s chair. Will rule all the way! Over the years of his reign, our president (V.V.P) has perfectly mastered the technique of speech, learned to speak beautifully and promise a lot, and this cannot but rejoice !!!
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 28 October 2013 12: 06
          +9
          "During the years of his reign, our president (V.V.P) has perfectly mastered the technique of speech, learned to speak beautifully and promise a lot, and this cannot but rejoice !!!"

          Are you a professor of literature? laughing
          because such achievements cannot please anyone else. I would like other achievements.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 28 October 2013 12: 22
            +8
            Quote: Starfish
            Are you a professor of literature?

            I will answer you in poetic form. Will this give you some idea about me?

            The torment of creativity.

            Sometimes I write such nonsense,
            What rhymes groan-lined up in a row!

            For me, a psychiatrist has been crying for a long time!
            Am I spending my talent on stupidity?

            Bogged down in thought like a quagmire
            Sometimes I sit in the kitchen until the morning!

            And the smoke comes from cigarettes,
            I thought that it’s time in Kashchenko ???

            That's about me. Hello dear Starfish hi
            1. Starfish
              Starfish 28 October 2013 12: 24
              +5
              and you do not have to be ill. I understood your joke, I just decided to show off the same "wit", as I can of course
      3. a52333
        a52333 28 October 2013 17: 11
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        so that a huge part of it does not populate at all ... or doesn’t go around ...
        I agree, the problem. First of all, I don’t even know what to put. Probably - she was depopulated, not exactly. The density there was not large. And something needs to be done with this. Otherwise, as you rightly said, we wander around. I prepared an article on this (almost) topic, tomorrow I will etch fleas from it. The subject is close.
        1. varov14
          varov14 28 October 2013 18: 39
          +1
          What to do? Australia began with hard labor, is now flourishing. It turns out that there are quite a few lovers of separation - I don’t want to populate, of course, at first under guard and in barracks. FSB time to pick your nose.
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 28 October 2013 21: 01
          +3
          Therefore, the capital should be moved to Krasnoyarsk. All the same, the geographical center of Russia. Even Mendeleev defined.
      4. terkin.vasi
        terkin.vasi 28 October 2013 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: Valery Neon
        hi One single question arises.-where is the FSB request ..., everything listed in the article is a direct threat to the security of the state.

        Hand washes a hand. The FSB and the FMS cooperate - they share the lava from the sale of passports and other documents bought again and again by guest workers. Business is nothing more.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 October 2013 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: a52333
      Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.


      Yes, the GDP certainly will not allow it, but will he manage to isolate these dismemberers into prison territories (and even better at the cemetery) during his time ??? After all, GDP is one and not for a very long time, and disintegrators are products of the metabolism of an alien system and will always be.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 28 October 2013 11: 59
        +7
        Quote: Geisenberg
        but will he manage to isolate these dismemberers into prison territories during his time

        When did he have time? All the time, according to the results of the rake, and not for reasons!
      2. a52333
        a52333 28 October 2013 17: 18
        -1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        After all, GDP is one and not for a very long time
        Well, there is time before the 20 year. The term is decent. hi
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 41
          0
          Well, we'll see .....)
      3. Basarev
        Basarev 28 October 2013 21: 02
        +2
        Yes, to stake them, these dismembers!
    4. user
      user 28 October 2013 11: 00
      +7
      You’re just like in an old Soviet joke:

      Two Chukchi are walking along the shore of the Bering Strait.
      One of them says "again, food from the mainland was delivered late"
      Another "better keep quiet, otherwise they will send you"
    5. New Russia
      New Russia 28 October 2013 11: 02
      +8
      "Thank God, VVP is behind the wheel, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one."
      Come on! "Aidar Halim, a well-known national writer-Russophobe in Tatarstan, made a presentation of his new book, Hongweibing," Russkiy Obozrevatel reports.

      In the epic novel Halim raises the problems of the survival and preservation of the Tatar people, reveals the connection of language and traditions with the moral health and self-identity of the nation, shows the fate of Tatar emigrants as an example of the centuries-old fate of one Tatar family.

      The writer speaks extremely unflattering about the Russian people, the Russian people, in his opinion, are "debilitated, lumpenized, drunk." “Violence, mate, vodka, dirt, lice, deceit, fires, arson, executions, rape, suicide - that’s what the Russian people brought to me. And nothing more". In his opinion, the marriage of Tatars and Russians “violates the law of nature”.

      Aydar Halim has a number of published works with a clear anti-Russian attitude: "The Book of Sorrow, or Notes of an Aboriginal", "This Invincible Chechen ... (" Kaysya, Russia! "): Notes on the Russian-Chechen War," Kill the Empire! "."

      United Russia: "There is no such nationality as Russian."


      And where is the reaction of the putler at least some ??? As always, it only grinds: At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are those “red lines” that no one should go for. I would like to believe that these words will be followed by appropriate decisions. Yes, any person, group of people and even ethnic group has the right to self-determination. But without a single square centimeter of Russian territory: I do not like it - they left. What a cool president! It’s a pity that I can’t do anything with my tongue on a single problem within the country.

      Formally, yes, our lands are not being handed over to other countries, almost) But what in reality ??? The Stavropol Territory was left to the barbarians, there was no Russian power there, Moscow was surrendered, the creeping capture of the Moscow Region, the southern Urals, Siberia. Even in central Russia, extinct Russian villages are inhabited by Putin's barbarians.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 28 October 2013 11: 39
        -1
        The Stavropol Territory was left to the barbarians, there was no Russian power there, Moscow was surrendered, the creeping capture of the Moscow Region, the southern Urals, Siberia. Even in central Russia, extinct Russian villages are populated by Putin's barbarians


        And what do you think is the Russian government?

        Do not read propaganda nonsense on the Internet.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 28 October 2013 12: 00
          +6
          "And what do you think is the Russian government?" The power under which the indigenous people feel themselves to be the master on their land, and not a single pig will come here with its filthy laws and will not even be able to open its mouth.

          A handbook on combating "extremism" in the Stavropol region
          The book does not mention either Wahhabis, Muslims, or any other nationalities or sects, the main criterion of an "extremist" is Russian nationality, Orthodox, less often a pagan, which is written about in the text. I wonder who, then, is committing terrorist acts, killing Russian people?
          The compiler of the book is Cheban Vladimir Vasilievich, his position is unknown, but in the representative office of Dagestan in the Stavropol Territory
          On Russian soil, I am fighting against Russian extremists.

          "Don't read propaganda stuff on the internet." I don't need to read, I live in the south.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 October 2013 14: 08
            -7
            Quote: New Russia
            "And what do you think is the Russian government?"

            And for these words you are minus.
          2. JonnyT
            JonnyT 28 October 2013 16: 52
            0
            Power under which the indigenous people feel themselves to be masters of their land, and not a single pig will come here with its filthy laws and cannot even open its mouth

            You will never please everyone. There will always be unhappy, poor ....
            As for the indigenous population, that is still a controversial issue .... do you think each nationality should have its own law or something?
            And who's stopping you from feeling your master? Nobody wants to work - everyone always wants to sit and do nothing, but so that at the same time there is wealth and respect. Why did you allow yourself to be "crushed"? did not take any measures? Who was Putin expected? or a super-man, protector of all innocents? Nobody cares about your problems and misfortunes. You must solve them YOURSELF! Here is such a cruel world ...
            1. kaktus
              kaktus 28 October 2013 16: 59
              +1
              Well, from France, of course, you know better .. how is it with tolerance?
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 18
                +3
                With Brighton Beach is generally cool) We sit and sunbathe write comments)
            2. Normal
              Normal 28 October 2013 17: 04
              +4
              Quote: JonnyT
              You will never please everyone.

              What did you mean?
              Quote: JonnyT
              Regarding the indigenous population, that is still a controversial issue.

              What's the question? In the presence of such a population? So the government successfully resolves this issue by replacing the indigenous population with migrants
              Quote: JonnyT
              .in your nationality should have its own law or what?

              But do Russian laws mean anything to some nationalities?
              Quote: JonnyT
              Nobody wants to work - everyone always wants to sit and do nothing, but so that there is respect and prosperity.

              Are you talking to yourself or something? Or judge by yourself?
              Quote: JonnyT
              I do not care for all your problems and misfortunes. You must solve them YOURSELF! Here is such a cruel world .....

              Well, do not bother to identify and begin to solve your problems to the Russian population. The easiest way to joke. When problems touch you personally then we’ll see how you speak
              1. JonnyT
                JonnyT 28 October 2013 19: 42
                -1
                What did you mean?

                whatever the power, there will always be those who are not happy with it for any reason ....
                What's the question? In the presence of such a population? So the government successfully resolves this issue by replacing the indigenous population with migrants

                But what if the indigenous population dies? Where to quickly and cheaply get labor resources? And the people went selfish (thanks to the Western development model) few people want to do hard work ... It's one thing to knock on the keyboard, and another to work, for example, a concrete worker ....
                But do Russian laws mean anything to some nationalities?
                Well, yes .... there is definitely a dull problem, but we need to look deeper ...... here lobbying by the diasporas of their interests is on the face ...
                Are you talking to yourself or something? Or judge by yourself?

                Unfortunately man is so arranged ...
                Quote: Normal
                Well, do not bother to identify and begin to solve your problems to the Russian population. The easiest way to joke. When problems touch you personally then we’ll see how you speak

                Yes, I did not even think to interfere with anyone and joke. It just bothers me a little that many "point to a mess, but don't want to clean it up, take care of their sugar pens" ...
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 19: 54
                  +5
                  Quote: JonnyT
                  But what if the indigenous population dies? Where to get labor resources quickly and cheaply? Yes, and the people went selfish

                  Yes, bad people, damn drunken Russians. Destroy. Replace.
                  1. JonnyT
                    JonnyT 28 October 2013 21: 07
                    0
                    Try to soberly assess the situation ....... You probably very vaguely imagine what might lead to large-scale changes in the Russian state ...... the situation is very explosive ...... Or give you a blood bath ..... you are probably ready to cut Chechen, Dagestan and so on. kids for the prosperity of the great Russian nation
            3. New Russia
              New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 14
              +3
              Quote: JonnyT
              You will never please everyone. There will always be unhappy, poor ...

              Of course, but we are in 1 place for the separation of income and the injustice of the judiciary, which is too much.
              Quote: JonnyT
              do you think each nationality should have its own law or something?

              No, all the peoples of Russia who live in peace with the Russians have the right to receive equality with us in rights, who do not want to live in peace, will be loaded into cars and into Kazakhstan, and those who remain will be deprived of their rights. For the rest, the law is one.
              Quote: JonnyT
              Why did you allow yourself to be "crushed"? did not take any measures? Who was Putin expected?

              The rule of law and a fair trial is a matter of power and not of ordinary people.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 October 2013 17: 38
                0
                Quote: New Russia
                No, all the peoples of Russia who live in peace with the Russians have the right to receive equality with us in rights, who do not want to live in peace, will be loaded into cars and into Kazakhstan, and those who remain will be deprived of their rights. For the rest, the law is one.

                Why to Kazakhstan?
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 43
                  0
                  By analogy with Stalin
                  1. alone
                    alone 28 October 2013 23: 14
                    0
                    Quote: New Russia
                    By analogy with Stalin


                    and Kazakhstan will agree to this? after all, Kazakhstan is not Russia
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 23
                      -1
                      Ahahahaha then, to Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, they don’t give a damn about these, and nuclear waste there too.
                      1. alone
                        alone 28 October 2013 23: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Ahahahaha then, to Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, they don’t give a damn about these, and nuclear waste there too.


                        strange reasoning! but in general, I think your baby is crying in another room!. you would have to deal with it, and not to write here the devil knows what. hi
                      2. New Russia
                        New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 48
                        0
                        Do not worry about my baby, he has someone to follow) In general, I am sitting very late today, so bear with a haha

                        Quote: lonely
                        write here the devil knows what.

                        Yes, it didn’t work out well)
                      3. old rocket man
                        old rocket man 28 October 2013 23: 56
                        0
                        Quote: lonely
                        strange reasoning! but in general, I think your baby is crying in another room!. you would have to deal with it, and not to write here the devil knows what. hi


                        You do not write correctly, dear. Forgot to put the stress: "pisаt or nиpiss? laughing
                      4. alone
                        alone 29 October 2013 22: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Old Rocketman
                        Do not write correctly, dear. Forgot to put the stress: "write or write?


                        lol wassat
  2. Normal
    Normal 28 October 2013 12: 04
    13
    Quote: New Russia
    And where is the reaction of the putler at least some ???

    The reaction of the GDP will be only to the actions of the Russians, since nationalism is only Russian, all other nationalisms are ethno-cultural characteristics and the preservation of folk traditions. Only Russians are forbidden to stutter about self-determination, everyone else is given the green light. The power in Russia is openly Russophobic, because only the Russian people are the master of the country. If the Russians realize this and move from slumber to action, then the power based on nat. minorities, migrants and consisting largely of representatives of the "God's chosen" people will lose the opportunity to live off the country's resources. So they frighten us with the collapse of the country and the civil war so that we keep quiet and endure henceforth the bloodsuckers of the Russian Land
  3. Setrac
    Setrac 28 October 2013 14: 07
    -1
    This Kenneth Chachran has already hesitated.
    Quote: New Russia
    "Thank God, driving the GDP, not the EBN

    For these words you minus.
    1. Normal
      Normal 28 October 2013 14: 20
      +5
      Quote: Setrac
      For these words you minus.

      That is, EBN would be better? Or is it that, then driving GDP - not thank God?
      Quote: Setrac
      This Kenneth Chachran has already hesitated.

      And for these words minus you.
      Learn how to argue, prove your case and refute opponents. Does not work? Alas for you.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 28 October 2013 15: 20
        -2
        Quote: Normal
        That is, EBN would be better? Or is it that, then driving GDP - not thank God?

        Quote: Normal
        And for these words minus you.
        Learn how to argue, prove your case and refute opponents. Does not work? Alas for you.

        What does the GDP or EBN, or the evidence of someone right? In his message, this Cannet knocked out quotes and sentences without any order. For slow-witted people like this cannette, I’ll clarify that there is such a button - quote. This chachran simply does not respect its interlocutors.
        well and minus you for parity bully
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 28 October 2013 15: 51
          0
          You minus for 4 times the repetition of me as a man, slow-witted)
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 October 2013 16: 34
            -3
            Quote: New Russia
            You minus for 4 times the repetition of me as a man, slow-witted)

            Your profile does not show that you are female. But the inability to use the simplest browser functions is a serious application for your mental limitations.
            1. Normal
              Normal 28 October 2013 16: 53
              +6
              Quote: Setrac
              Your profile does not show that you are female ... ... an application for your mental disability.

              For personal prejudice and rudeness in relation to the weaker sex, therefore for YOUR mental limitation and elementary bad manners - minus
            2. New Russia
              New Russia 28 October 2013 16: 55
              +3
              We once argued, and I told you my gender. And my limitations are better defined by argument ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 28 October 2013 17: 04
                -1
                Quote: New Russia
                We once argued, and I told you my gender. And my limitations are better defined by argument ...

                Is Kenneth Chachran your real name?
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 24
                  +3
                  Not)...............
              2. yur
                yur 28 October 2013 23: 13
                +1
                Forgive me, but all your "argumentation" boils down to one thing - Putin is bad. I am not an indisputable admirer of Putin, but I understand that constant attacks on the head of state, elected by the majority of the people, harm the country and, first of all, the Russian people for which you seem to be fighting so zealously. Do you understand? If not, it's a pity, but if you understand, then you are a "sent Cossack", only more subtly working.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 30
                  0
                  Quote: yur
                  elected by the majority of the people

                  Hopefully not as elected by the majority as EdRo?)
                  Quote: yur
                  all your "argumentation" is reduced to one-Putin is bad.

                  Nonsense, I always argue why it is bad, and I say about Putin when I see that everyone is being tricked that Medvedev is to blame.
                  Quote: yur
                  You are a "misdirected Cossack"

                  You just want to believe it, the Vedas in the world you made up against Putin for money only.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 October 2013 23: 36
                    0
                    Quote: New Russia
                    Hopefully not as elected by the majority as EdRo?)

                    It is necessary to abandon elections by party lists.
                  2. New Russia
                    New Russia 28 October 2013 23: 41
                    0
                    I agree, it is necessary to ban the parties altogether, and to leave ideological trends, each of which will be the basis of the new state and, in principle, I can not deceive the voters.
      2. Normal
        Normal 28 October 2013 16: 33
        +3
        Quote: Setrac
        What does the GDP or EBN

        Wherein:
        Quote: Setrac

        Quote: New Russia
        "Thank God, driving the GDP, not the EBN

        For these words you minus.

        For the inclusion of a fool - minus
        Quote: Setrac
        or evidence of someone's innocence?

        Not someone’s rightness, but his own. You can’t prove it - don’t get personal. Learn to communicate and defend your point of view.
        Quote: Setrac
        In his message, this Cannet knocked out quotes and sentences without any order.

        There is such a thing, but you didn’t give her a minus for that and now you are "moving out to the bazaar."
        Quote: Setrac
        .This chachran just does not respect their interlocutors.

        An example of your respect for the interlocutor?

        Quote: Setrac
        minus you for parity

        I’m minus you - for the cause. You are my minus for parity.
        Not a problem, I will return with interest
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 28 October 2013 16: 55
          0
          Quote: Normal
          For the inclusion of a fool - minus

          That you turn on the fool.
          Quote: Normal
          Not someone’s rightness, but his own. You can’t prove it - don’t get personal. Learn to communicate and defend your point of view.

          I defend my point of view, and she is. This (this) Kannet Chachran can love GDP in any form accessible to him (her), I don’t care, but let him put things in order in his comments, and theoretically Kannet Chachran is an educated person, but practically it’s taiga darkness.
  • Goodmen
    Goodmen 28 October 2013 11: 38
    12
    Quote: a52333
    Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.


    What kind of bears))))

    "The transfer of the territory of Norway by Russia is a gift made by the Russian Federation to Norway under President Medvedev.
    On September 15, 2010, Medvedev and the Prime Minister of Norway signed in Murmansk the Agreement on the delimitation of maritime spaces in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean. "

    "... However, already in 2011, within the framework of the organized all-Russian action" Stop feeding the Caucasus! " in Novosibirsk there was a rally "Stop feeding Moscow!" ... "- the same happened recently. With GDP / Medvedev / GDP

    So it's too early to talk about bears ...
    But where does the FSB look ... do they have no order to respond? or order - do not respond?
    After all, the dismembers, here they are all on the palm, no one is hiding. And their sponsors are probably well known ...
    And if desired, it would have been possible without "the Communist Party of the Russian Federation recently came up with an initiative to introduce criminal liability for calls for separatism" to make a rustle.
  • Far East
    Far East 28 October 2013 11: 45
    +7
    Quote: a52333
    Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.

    dear, Alexey! it seems so. and why we have from bread to a communal apartment is more and more expensive! I sho live in another country! where is justice. you just do not hear the VOICE of the local population! everyone says it's good to feed the center! They take everything from us and they will throw a "bone" for us and all the governors are covered in chocolate, and the people are on the "bone". you do not tell why so! hi
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 29 October 2013 06: 20
      +1
      Quote: Far East
      Quote: a52333
      Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.

      dear, Alexey! it seems so. and why we have from bread to a communal apartment is more and more expensive! I sho live in another country! where is justice. you just do not hear the VOICE of the local population! everyone says it's good to feed the center! They take everything from us and they will throw a "bone" for us and all the governors are covered in chocolate, and the people are on the "bone". you do not tell why so! hi


      They take away from EVERYONE !!!
  • alekseyal
    28 October 2013 13: 12
    +1
    The author of the article, Vladimir Khomyakov, is the co-chairman of the Great Fatherland Party (Air Defense)
    The head of the "National-Patriotic" faction.
    The Great Fatherland Party advocates the introduction of criminal liability for statements aimed at the dismemberment of Russia and the separation of any part (any) of Russia.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 October 2013 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: alekseyal
      I welcome Alexei - how are you doing in the field of agitation?

      I did not have the opportunity to answer the points given on the 22nd, but since they intersperse the substitution of concepts, direct lies and speculations, I will do it now.
      So - in your opinion, Putin’s services are as follows:

      1 Prevention of the collapse of the Russian Federation in the 99th - substitution of concepts: 1) the withdrawal of a subject from the Russian Federation is impossible without the consent of the center (Part 5 of Art. 66 K-ii) 2) separation of the subject is not the collapse of the Federation

      2 Abolition of the oligarchic management system - substitution of concepts: such a system never existed, there was a lobby that exists now

      3,4 Cancel PSA - a lie: 225 Federal Laws are valid, 3 fields both worked on the terms of agreements and are working, and the increase in oil revenues to the budget (20 times) is not associated with a revision of the tax system, but with an increase in prices (10 times) and consumption (in 2 times)

      5 Nationalization of Yukos - substitution of concepts: not nationalization, but a cut with the subsequent giving of pieces to a business affiliated with the Government

      6 Eliminating the influence of the West - speculation: this effect is at least not proven

      7 Increasing political influence and improving the image of the Russian Federation - speculation: media hype is not a criterion

      8 GDP growth - substitution of concepts: GDP growth is certainly significant, but what is the use of this country? GDP is just the market value of final goods and services, that is, the total amount of all transactions - prices are rising, GDP is growing.

      9 External debt reduction - substitution of concepts: while everyone has beaten their debts, the Russian Federation, instead of developing its own economy, gives them away, while simultaneously writing off debts to its debtors - this is an achievement.

      And on corruption - in the 10th year, top officials said that the corruption market in the Russian Federation had reached the size of the budget.
      1. alekseyal
        29 October 2013 05: 22
        0
        When did people live better in material terms in 90 or 2000?
        In 90 half a year we did not pay salaries and pensions, I remember that. At the same time, Yeltsin complied with all the instructions of the United States and the West, while shooting parliament from tanks. And for the west he was good, because he acted in the interests of the west. One HEU-LEU deal caused an estimated loss of 8 trillion. Doll.
        http://www.kp.ru/daily/26139.3/3028007/

        As soon as Putin slowly began to take Russia out of the control of the United States, all the media immediately let him down. They started to pour mud over it. I was already quite old in 90 and can compare, in the 2000s it became much better than 90.

        It is clear that I want that there was no corruption, so that all the oligarchs were imprisoned (who were illegally enriched). And I do not like United Russia, so I joined the Great Fatherland Party.
        But criticism must be constructive if Putin’s actions are useful for Russia, we support them, if we criticize harmful ones.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 29 October 2013 11: 44
          0
          Quote: alekseyal
          When did people live better in material terms in 90 or 2000?
          In the 90th, the majority lived better than in the 94th, and in the 99th - better than in the 94th.

          Tell me - in 08, people lived better than in 99, and if "YES", then by what criteria do you judge?

          Yeltsin complied with all the instructions of the United States and the West, while shooting parliament from tanks
          I do not see a conceptual difference between Yeltsin and Putin - give links to documents with US instructions for EBNya.

          And for the west he was good, because he acted in the interests of the west
          And I am sure that he acted solely in his own interests - on what basis are you asserting the opposite ?.

          One HEU-LEU deal
          WTO, draining territories, finishing off the BZHRK.

          As soon as Putin slowly began to take Russia out of US control
          Where is the evidence for this control?

          immediately all the media was let down on him. They started to pour mud
          Putin violated the Constitution, the newspaper wrote about it - well, that means they’re pouring mud on it ... Isn’t it funny?
          One media writes that Putin is good, another that is bad - did this screech change something? The media is cutting money on this - they have such a job.

          which are illegally enriched
          I am delighted with you - Do you know those who have enriched themselves legally?

          therefore, I joined the Great Fatherland Party
          Which is a branch of edrosov.

          But criticism must be constructive if Putin’s actions are useful for Russia, we support them, if we criticize harmful ones.
          We support, criticize - such a club of interests ...
          Tell me - violation by the guarantor of the Constitution in terms of social norms is useful or harmful to Russia? And the surrender of sovereignty? And work in the interests of the oligarchy?

          And one more question - what does your reasoning have to do with the lie that you listed in 9 points of the 22nd day?
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 28 October 2013 07: 56
    10
    to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.
    1. domokl
      domokl 28 October 2013 08: 38
      +4
      Quote: Alikovo
      to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.

      We’re doing just that. And the point? The formula has a second part too. There should be a carrot next to the whip ...
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 29 October 2013 06: 30
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Alikovo
        to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.

        We’re doing just that. And the point? The formula has a second part too. There should be a carrot next to the whip ...

        That is, first spank, and then gingerbread? So as not to cry a lot?
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 28 October 2013 08: 45
      +2
      They must not be beaten with a whip, but sent to Kolyma as enemies of the people.
      1. domokl
        domokl 28 October 2013 08: 47
        +7
        Quote: Valkyrie
        They must not be beaten with a whip, but sent to Kolyma as enemies of the people.

        Yeah, like Vysotsky-Luck from Siberia to Siberia ...
        1. INTER
          INTER 28 October 2013 08: 58
          +4
          Quote: Valkyrie
          They must not be beaten with a whip, but sent to Kolyma as enemies of the people.

          We must look for the cause and solve it, and not justification and punishment!
    3. Kolya
      Kolya 28 October 2013 08: 53
      23
      the one who lives on "Rublyovka" in Moscow is the most conducive to separatism. The people cannot be fooled, they see everything where all Russia's income goes, and the regions receive less money, and the province (villages) and even in the Moscow region !!! - is dying out. All young people go to Moscow! Regional separatists are the flowers, but the roots of the problem live on Rublevka.
      1. APES
        APES 28 October 2013 10: 39
        12
        I was lucky in my time with 2005-2009 traveled all over Russia - from Vladivostok to Baltiysk, from Derbent to Pevek. Each city, region has its own mentality, but they all agree in one place - in no place, not from a single person. I have not heard anything positive and good about Moscow - everyone has one attitude - extremely negative. In reality, we seem to have two lives: within the MKAD and outside, although there is still a third - within the garden ring.
      2. Starfish
        Starfish 28 October 2013 10: 45
        10
        "Regional separatists are the flowers, but the roots of the problem live on Rublevka."

        what separatists? how many I live in Siberia have not seen a single separatist. Where are they? ay ... and heal a few university idiots in a psychiatric hospital or check in connection with foreign sponsors. and this is a matter for psychiatrists and the FSB.
        I think that the problem is far-fetched. and will be decided at once, as soon as the Kremlin wants to solve it.
        that’s where the root of all the problems really is. as long as the authorities will be more pleased with all sorts of prokhorov, and not ordinary people, no problems will be solved.
      3. JonnyT
        JonnyT 28 October 2013 11: 43
        +7
        Yes, the whole ruble is built on money raised from Russian blood in the Chechen conflict. That's where the main rot sits. Rot sits in the ruling elites, and not in the foolish students
      4. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 October 2013 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: Kohl
        and the roots of the problem live on "Rublyovka".

        Aha - in Novo-Ogaryovo
    4. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 28 October 2013 11: 25
      +4
      Not to beat, but to spoil publicly on the square for the holidays.
    5. Far East
      Far East 28 October 2013 12: 28
      0
      Quote: Alikovo
      to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.

      respected! I have a Caucasus to one place! I already wrote if it is ALL RUSSIA! why are we getting more expensive? I need to feed the DORMOEDOV! (I'd rather separate!) the attitude should be the same! and where is the equality? why Siberia and DF should feed everyone? time we are RUSSIA! alone, and not divisible! hi
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 28 October 2013 12: 38
        +3
        I also don’t understand why the Khabarovsk Territory is the most expensive in the country, it seems not the farthest
        1. Far East
          Far East 28 October 2013 12: 49
          +2
          Quote: ivshubarin
          I also don’t understand why the Khabarovsk Territory is the most expensive in the country, it seems not the farthest

          Dear Ivan! everything is in shock! like it was an article sho removed Ishaev, did the right thing! he is a pimple, we all! we even have NORTHERN but I still don’t understand how they are paid at all or NO! we are on the same parallel with Sochi and our climate is not the same as in Khbr.kr. we still have + 13 heat! and everything is more expensive! it is a fact! hi
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 28 October 2013 12: 52
            +3
            We also have two oil refineries, an oil pipeline from Sakhalin and the most expensive gasoline in the country.
            1. Far East
              Far East 28 October 2013 13: 00
              +4
              Quote: ivshubarin
              We also have two oil refineries, an oil pipeline from Sakhalin and the most expensive gasoline in the country.

              good yes you wrote it right! "shoemaker, no boots!" lol hi
        2. Starfish
          Starfish 28 October 2013 13: 08
          +3
          "I also don't understand why the Khabarovsk Territory is the most expensive in the country, it seems not the most distant"

          Yes, your prices are wild, and your salaries are small, like ours. I looked at your Chinese market and was very surprised. everything costs 2 times more than ours. although we’ll be transported thousands of kilometers to us, and you’ll be transported across your river.
          1. Far East
            Far East 28 October 2013 13: 20
            +4
            Quote: Starfish
            Yes, your prices are wild, and your salaries are small, like ours. I looked at your Chinese market and was very surprised. everything costs 2 times more than ours. although we’ll be transported thousands of kilometers to us, and you’ll be transported across your river.

            our government "loves" us so much! I departed in the seas, God forbid EVERYONE could drive so much on a car. I bought a jeep in Japan, changed three wives lol earned "hemorrhagic" lol and live right now with my parents! when it was a lot of money! but right now nothing! Yes, such are valuable! am hi
      2. Far East
        Far East 28 October 2013 12: 55
        +4
        Quote: Far East
        respected! I have a Caucasus to one place!

        I and all living here have one opinion! us Caucasus to one place! and now at least for the minus one! hi
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 28 October 2013 13: 09
          +3
          This is a fact of Caucasians, we do not have much, probably freeze
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 28 October 2013 07: 56
    +6
    hi One single question arises.-where is the FSB request ..., everything listed in the article is a direct threat to the security of the state.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 October 2013 08: 41
      +2
      Saw in one hand, a hacksaw in the other. And like Shura Balaganov
  • Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2013 07: 57
    17
    Siberian independence is nonsense.
    In Novosibirsk this cannot happen in principle.
    The main danger is precisely the actions of the KREMLIN HEADS — the recent transfer to foreign countries of pieces of our territory in plain sight.
    I am outraged by the fact that such actions occur quietly from the people - SO SAY APRIORI in fact.
    And this despite the fact that the transfer of territories is possible only after an approving referendum of the people. (According to the CONSTITUTION OF RUSSIA)
    And this article just takes us away from real danger.
    1. domokl
      domokl 28 October 2013 08: 45
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And this article just takes us away from real danger.

      This article just raises a very serious question. Yes, Novosibirsk, Omsk and some other cities are not yet infected with this idea. And Tomsk is exactly where the nest is.
      I agree with the Kremlin’s actions. Separatism is growing where people don’t understand and do not accept them. Siberians have long been saying that their territories are used as a pantry. And they treat the same. Many who make renovations in the pantry?
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 29 October 2013 06: 37
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        And this article just takes us away from real danger.

        This article just raises a very serious question. Yes, Novosibirsk, Omsk and some other cities are not yet infected with this idea. And Tomsk is exactly where the nest is.
        I agree with the Kremlin’s actions. Separatism is growing where people don’t understand and do not accept them. Siberians have long been saying that their territories are used as a pantry. And they treat the same. Many who make renovations in the pantry?


        They usually put it in the pantry ... And from this they take it ...
    2. Simon
      Simon 28 October 2013 08: 46
      +7
      Restore the death penalty for squandering Russian lands and calls for separatism. The separatists only think about stuffing their pockets, they don’t give a damn about the people of the same Siberia, but you can beat the natives to it, tell them tales of a beautiful life. We friends have already passed this in the nineties. Still trying to get out of this shit. But Europeans and states are just waiting for this, how to separate a tidbit from Russia, they add fuel to the fire.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 28 October 2013 07: 57
    +5
    Statement made not from scratch. In the east, the local press is actively discussing the theme of separatism. At full speed, studies are being conducted on the possibility of creating a separate Siberian state, economic prospects are being calculated - on paper they are radiant

    However, the author does not cite any links!
    Here are articles like this one written "not from scratch"is precisely the fuel for the separatists, artificially fueling interest in this long-dead topic.
    Article minus.
    1. domokl
      domokl 28 October 2013 08: 51
      +6
      Alexey, the author simply did not indicate a specific city. He will have to do it for him. Tomsk is the primary breeding ground for the ideas of separatism in Siberia. They really take the idea of ​​separation seriously and have a fairly strong layer of intellectuals who perceive this idea everywhere.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 28 October 2013 08: 54
        0
        domokl-a more detailed information is available (please) -who where and when promotes the infection of separatism.
        1. domokl
          domokl 28 October 2013 09: 06
          +2
          About two or three months ago, an appeal was published here on the website, or rather, a programmatic statement by the separatists. Rummage in the archive, be sure to find it. Or go to the official website of Tomsk in the section of mind.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 28 October 2013 13: 40
            +4
            I think that giving out the opinion of marginals as a broad trend, this means contributing to these very marginals to promote their ideas.
            I do not think that the majority of Tomsk residents are stupid people.
            For only a distant person can hope for the independence of Siberia after its separation from Russia.
            In general, the most dangerous time for the integrity of Russia is already behind us, and the remaining danger is not posed by the inhabitants of Siberia, but by the national republics.
            Which really needs to be eliminated. hi
  • Guun
    Guun 28 October 2013 07: 57
    +6
    It’s necessary to cut it in the bud - softness in such topics is not appropriate, it is necessary to show by example what will happen to those who want to fragment the country (not only Russia, any country.) We have gone through independence - 90 - 00 years. We don’t need that anymore.
  • alexng
    alexng 28 October 2013 07: 57
    0
    It is time now for these cutters to ward ourselves off from a good life so that others are not in the habit. Their ears are from a dead donkey, not Siberia. stop
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 28 October 2013 07: 58
    +1
    So far, this is just a flinging of information so that people get used to it, think about the very idea of ​​separation. Unfortunately, many see it as attractive. I once read an interview with an ardent Siberian, where he said that subsidies and preferences in Russia go only to representatives of non-titular peoples. We call ourselves Siberians and (for starters) we will get money from Moscow.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 October 2013 07: 58
    +3
    The first martyr of this idea was the Governor of Siberia Matvey GagarinIt was such a direct martyr that the gold acquired by back-breaking labor (and in terrible torments of conscience, probably) is still being sought ...
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 28 October 2013 07: 59
    +7
    Who calls for this should be dismembered and let them see how their bodies work separately
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 28 October 2013 10: 30
      0
      I liked about the "organs separately". Very brief and intelligible.
  • Ustas
    Ustas 28 October 2013 08: 00
    +6
    Yes, any person, group of people and even ethnic group has the right to self-determination. But without a single square centimeter of Russian territory: I do not like it - they left.

    That is right. Who wants to self-determination, bring down from Russia.
    As in the song, "We do not want an inch of someone else's land, but we will not give up our own inch either!"
  • feanor
    feanor 28 October 2013 08: 01
    16
    I live just in Siberia, Irkutsk. At the expense of Moscow’s dislike, to some extent it is true, but no more than in other regions, for everything that exists throughout Russia is raking everything into Moscow, but the separation of Siberia from Russia is already insanity.
  • makarov
    makarov 28 October 2013 08: 06
    +6
    "In the east of the country, the local press is actively discussing the topic of separatism. Studies are in full swing on the possibility of creating a separate Siberian state, economic prospects are being calculated - on paper they are radiant ..."

    Power (bureaucracy that feeds locally from posts) is not a people. And to speak, and to affirm (even with pseudo-calculations) is to show your stupidity.
    Remember the words of PETER: - prohibit reading in writing, so that the stupidity of everyone was visible !!!
    1. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 28 October 2013 09: 36
      +5
      The trouble is that the government does not listen to the people (or does not hear, and does not want to hear!). Who remembers the referendum on the preservation of the USSR? The vast majority of Ukrainians (about 82%) voted to preserve the USSR. So what?
      Even in the Baltic states, then the majority voted to preserve!
      I think that nationalists are not a people either ...
      Yes, and Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk were not people either ...
      So you don’t have to wait, but chop any creeps on the vine !!!
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 28 October 2013 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Hyppopotut
        So you don’t have to wait, but chop any creeps on the vine !!!

        Without action beyond the control of the Society of Power, no division is possible - to whom will we cut the creeps?
  • amicus
    amicus 28 October 2013 08: 06
    +8
    Quote: feanor
    but the separation of Siberia from Russia is already insanity.

    I agree. Criminal responsibility for such ideas is simply necessary. And deal with the end!
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 October 2013 08: 44
      +4
      Better endlessly and without Faberge
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 October 2013 08: 07
    +2
    Smoke without fire does not happen .. It is necessary to stop all this nonsense at the root and I think very harshly!
    1. alebor
      alebor 28 October 2013 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is no smoke without fire ..


      Indeed, there is no smoke without fire. The article shows that the ideas of separatism are activated in difficult times for the country, in the era of revolutions, unsuccessful wars, crises. And if it is true that in our time there is an upsurge of separatism, then to whom do we owe this? Isn't that who has been in power in the country since 2000? You can speak as many wonderful speeches as you like at Valdai and other forums, but you need to evaluate the politician’s activity not by his beautiful words and declarations, but by his deeds and results.
      (How wonderful Gorbachev spoke at one time. And what is the result?)
  • Backfire
    Backfire 28 October 2013 08: 10
    -13 qualifying.
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    One single question arises, where is the FSB ..., all of the direct threats to state security listed in the article.

    In the same place where the KGB was in 1990-1991
    1. Kolovrat77
      Kolovrat77 28 October 2013 09: 09
      +3
      Wow, your fear straightens out, even your head has passed. Do you have the new American superhero PIDERMEN in the picture? hat, a hat to him new paint on from Abama.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 October 2013 08: 14
    +3
    What does the draftsman think of this? Did you draw the red lines and calm down? Again he will say "nonsense" and that's it. Maybe we should not be afraid, but be proud that they can compare with Stalin? And finally to begin decisive actions to strengthen the state.
  • Normal
    Normal 28 October 2013 08: 25
    12
    I read the article and I had the impression that she was 15 years late. But I read it to this place
    At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are those “red lines” that no one should go for. I would like to believe that these words will be followed by appropriate decisions.
    and everything became clear.
    Again, the guards of a luminous and non-alternative one suck the problem out of the finger, artificially inflate it if necessary, and then smash it with a dashing cavalry attack.
    This is of course easier than doing the real thing. It is easier than stopping illegal migration and curbing Caucasian lawlessness, which is often the cause of dissatisfaction with Moscow’s policies. And it’s much easier than giving the regions not empty talk about responsibility for everything and everyone, but real finances, leverage and development opportunities. But then it will be necessary to limit imperious imperious appetites, and this is unacceptable for those in power.
    If in the 13th year of permanent government of the GDP we have to talk about separatism, then this is either the next PR campaign of the Great or a real cant of the current system of power. In any case, the responsibility is on the authorities, and not on the State Department, the fifth column and local separatists.
    students designed the economy of Siberia, which separated from Russia and became an independent state. Of course - prosperous. They say that considerable grants were received from across the ocean for this project. The case is far from an isolated one.

    What did you think? If the government spends money on expensive toys, summits, olympiads, world championships and other entertainment events, it no longer has the means and time for its youth. And our opponents will not spare money. But the most infamous thing is that this government is trying to use it in its own interests. Not in the interests of the state, but with the goal of strengthening its lack of alternative and irreplaceability.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 28 October 2013 13: 16
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      I read the article and I had the impression that she was 15 years late. But I read it to this place
      At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are the “red lines” that no one should go for
      and everything became clear.

      What is funny - these statements were made after the transfer of the lion's share of the legal field of the economy to the WTO jurisdiction, that is, after the unreasonable surrender of a significant part of the country's sovereignty.

      Moreover, the surrender itself occurred in violation of Part 1 of Article 4, Part 1 of Article 68, Part 2 of Article 80 of the Constitution, paragraphs 1 and 5 of Article 3 of the Federal Law "On the State Language of the Russian Federation" and Part 1 of Article 11 of the Law of the Russian Federation "On the Languages ​​of the Peoples of the Russian Federation".
      1. Normal
        Normal 28 October 2013 14: 05
        +4
        Quote: Yarosvet
        What is funny - these statements were made after the transfer of the lion's share of the legal field of the economy to the WTO jurisdiction, that is, after the unreasonable surrender of a significant part of the country's sovereignty.

        Yes, everything is "normal", Yarosvet. Simply, in order not to take away everything acquired by "backbreaking work" and stored in no way in Russia, it is necessary to give a share to the superiors. They give the sovereign's share in exchange for the opportunity to show off in foreign policy (they say, you yourself understand; so that the people do not get excited, you need to give them the appearance of opposition to the West)
        But the main principle remains unshakable:
        "This is OUR cow and WE milk it!"
        Share - agree, and give the nurse - never! Especially suckers, I'm sorry, the population.
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Moreover, the surrender occurred in violation of Part 1 of Article 4, Part 1 of Article 68, Part 2 of Article 80 of the Constitution ....

        Who read the Constitution? Moreover, who understood what was read? Is it possible to pay for the blessings of this life with paper on which the text of the constitution is printed? A paper with portraits of US presidents can pay. Well, and what paper is more important for our government?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 28 October 2013 16: 15
          +5
          Quote: Normal
          Well, and what paper is more important for our government?
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 October 2013 08: 27
    11
    When material gain and nothing more are put at the forefront, such concepts as the Motherland and the traditions of the ancestors are generally forgotten. I noticed that the basis for separatism is primarily material gain. People alone are not told that ordinary people never win anything. Someone needs power, power independent of the center, not limited by any rules and laws. That's just for the sake of such vile ideologists and started talking all about separation
  • Guilty
    Guilty 28 October 2013 08: 27
    -2
    Che you hi raised ??? Go on a red heresy, designed for free ears. An article is more like a slogan than an article. Russia will not give offense, not those times. Chechnya tried to break away, so what? Once a week, the Chechen chief, with reports, arrives in the IAAAskvu. Georgia!!!!! I wanted to have a bit of territory, How did it end? angry Voooooot !!!!! And then you lit a panic on board))))) stop
  • ele1285
    ele1285 28 October 2013 08: 29
    +9
    Remember the very beginning of 90's. Then many newspapers discussed the topic of Siberia and the Far East. Divide them into seven states and sell the United States. And in my opinion, M. Albright gave an interview on this topic. That's where the ears grow and the Americans and the impudent people will not calm down yet they will not perish or they will not bury us
  • DNX1970
    DNX1970 28 October 2013 08: 34
    +2
    The Great Finno-Ugoria was especially pleased ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 28 October 2013 14: 21
      0
      Quote: DNX1970
      The Great Finno-Ugoria was especially pleased ...

      Yeah, there are three unique nations: Finno-Ugric, Tatar-Mongols and Chukchi-Swahil.
    2. fan_
      fan_ 28 October 2013 15: 36
      +1
      Well, probably it was meant ... Northwest of the European part of Russia. (Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Vologda Oblast-partially, Karelia). And there’s nothing wrong with that. True, it was quite a long time ago more than 500 years ago. Now everyone lives here, and the local population uses Russian as the main language and considers it native.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 28 October 2013 16: 01
        0
        Quote: fan_
        Now everyone lives here, and the local population uses Russian as the main language and considers it native.


        Of course he considers his family, because now no one lives there, but still Russian people)
        1. fan_
          fan_ 28 October 2013 16: 35
          +4
          The indigenous population predominates ... considering himself Russian. But if you raise the statistics directories another 140-150 years ago during the population census in the Olonets province, for example, many considered themselves Finnish by nationality (this is now part of Karelia and part of the current archaeological area).
        2. fan_
          fan_ 28 October 2013 16: 38
          0
          I see nothing wrong with that. Because I believe that the Russians (and not the Slavs). Russians are a community of all peoples living in Russia. Everything true is written, This and (I will list the main ones) Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples and Turks. You can only be proud of this. But the Russian language unites, not Old Slavic, but Russian absorbing the words ... of all these peoples. Therefore, the Old Slavonic language seems a little incomprehensible to us.
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 02
            +2
            Quote: fan_
            Russians are a community of all peoples living in Russia.
            So it was in the 10th century, from which came the word Russian as an adjective.

            Quote: fan_
            Slavs and Finno-Ugrians and Turks.

            Show me a Turk, even a Tatar who considers himself Russian. Especially Caucasian. Only white or half-breed can be Russian. Russian is not a broth that can be diluted with any dung ... There is no Turkic blood in Russians, which refutes the Mongol yoke, and that according to Putin you will find a Russian Tatar rubbed, he probably meant himself)
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 28 October 2013 17: 14
              0
              Quote: New Russia
              So it was in the 10th century, from which came the word Russian as an adjective.

              Russian is an adjective, because a person is attached to the word, but if a nation is a noun, then a person is not attached to the word, so it’s a separate kind.
            2. fan_
              fan_ 28 October 2013 17: 15
              0
              1. Find a map of the 10th century and see who lived where on what lands. And Finno-Ugric will find there.
              2. About the Turkic peoples, in the Russian language a huge number of Turkic words have passed into the Russian language.
              3. About IGO, I did not write a single word ... why it is unknown. He did not write about the fact that the population was completely mixed up. About where they used to live there and live, that Finno-Ugric, that the Türks. Neither about the IGO nor about the Battle of Kulikovo ... it’s not known where it took place, but very similar to the civil war or the division of spheres of influence ... who did not collect taxes did not write the same.

              Well, you see just purebred RUSSIAN. with which I congratulate you.!
              1. New Russia
                New Russia 28 October 2013 17: 46
                0
                I am not a purebred Russian, but half (father is Ukrainian but this does not count), in the ancestors there are Udmurts and Tatars, but these are Bulgars and not Turks)
                Quote: fan_
                About IGO, I did not write a single word ... why it is unknown.

                Just by the way)
            3. fan_
              fan_ 28 October 2013 17: 41
              0
              Well, About the Caucasus, he was annexed to Russia last 150 years ago. A little more time has passed.
              1. fan_
                fan_ 28 October 2013 18: 17
                0
                Well, the Bulgars also belong to the Turkic group.
      2. Guilty
        Guilty 1 November 2013 09: 19
        0
        Quote: fan_
        . Now everyone lives here, and the local population uses Russian as the main language and considers it native.

        I will probably surprise you, but the way it is. We even have Vietnamese swearing lol
        1. fan_
          fan_ 1 November 2013 11: 30
          0
          Where exactly is it with you? There are almost no Vietnamese left in our area, before everyone in the markets lived about 10 years ago.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 October 2013 08: 35
    +6
    in Irkutsk - state, mind you - the university has a “Siberian-American” faculty. Not “Russian-American”, namely “Siberian-”
    To get acquainted with the teachers of this faculty. And where is so much shit in the country ??? No words, some epithets are born in the head! It is necessary to punish these American residents a couple of times, so that henceforth no one would even think about such things. SO, even to think about separating any region from] Russia was scary!
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 28 October 2013 08: 50
    +6
    "At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are those" red lines "beyond which no one can go."

    Well, as the saying goes: "It's time to use the power." And give naughty hands. "And work on the mistakes."
    Unfortunately, this is facilitated by the central government itself. Moscow has already become like a state in a state. All the more or less large organizations, even if enterprises in the regions are registered in Moscow. And she, without even wanting to herself, will suck out finances from the regions. And only what Putin wants to give back.
    I often travel in the Moscow direction. Traffic jams and congestion even a hundred kilometers away from it on Fridays from Moscow, and on Sundays to Moscow have already become commonplace. You don’t even have to talk about electric trains there. You don’t get bumped every day. For the same Indeed, in Moscow they get 1.5–2 times more work, but somewhere you simply can’t find it.
    So the situation is happening, as we say: "Ryazan salaries, Moscow prices."
    1. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 28 October 2013 09: 42
      +7
      And I live 130km from Moscow. Public sector employees get 8 times less than in the main throne !!! And since it takes 2-3 hours to reach the capital, hospitals without nurses, paramedics, with an acute shortage of doctors; schools - without teachers, kindergartens - without teachers ...
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 28 October 2013 09: 46
        +4
        This also surprises me, it seems that the work is the same, but the salary is different at times. They’ve got particularly difficult conditions in Moscow.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 28 October 2013 09: 59
          +5
          [quote = ivshubarin] This also surprises me, like the work is the same, but the salary is different at times.
          No wonder, capitalism's harsh law. Finance is there. And all over Russia - "superfluous" people.
        2. military
          military 28 October 2013 10: 27
          +4
          Quote: ivshubarin
          They’ve got particularly difficult conditions in Moscow.

          it's just that the metropolis has long since "determined itself" ... without unnecessary noise and dust ... the country has practically implemented the formula "Moscow + the rest of Russia" ...
          the president and the government are in Moscow, the parliament is in Moscow, all ministries and departments are in Moscow, the Central Bank, Sberbank and all the largest banks are in Moscow ...
          and what about the "rest of Russia"? ... right ... only raw materials and labor resources for the voracious metropolis ...
        3. JonnyT
          JonnyT 28 October 2013 11: 49
          +2
          it's time to clean the capital from parasites
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 28 October 2013 09: 00
    +2
    Kind! Well, such propagandists need to be identified, and isolated in places not so remote, these calls are in no way a threat to the national security! And the second, in addition to capturing, it is necessary to pursue a serious domestic policy so that it does not happen that these dismemberment is not wanted by provocateurs from abroad but whole nations !!! Have a nice day!
  • RBLip
    RBLip 28 October 2013 09: 06
    +5
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    I often travel in the Moscow direction. Traffic jams and congestion even a hundred kilometers away from it on Fridays from Moscow, and on Sundays to Moscow have already become commonplace. You don’t even have to talk about electric trains there. You don’t get bumped every day. For the same Indeed, in Moscow they get 1.5–2 times more work, but somewhere you simply can’t find it.
    So the situation is happening, as we say: "Ryazan salaries, Moscow prices."

    can Muscovite separate from Russia, and the deal with the end? belay
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 28 October 2013 09: 50
      +3
      Quote: RBLip
      can Muscovite separate from Russia, and the deal with the end? belay

      Then there will be no one to deal with sadomasochism. Every day to go to work in Moscow.wink
      1. alebor
        alebor 28 October 2013 10: 10
        +1
        The point is not in Muskva, but in those leaders who sit there and determine economic policy. If they are transferred to city N, what will change? The only change is that everyone will go to work in N. to earn money. But for Russia as a whole, nothing will change.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 28 October 2013 10: 20
          +2
          We will rebuild the city N to the level of Moscow and again we will transfer the capital until we raise all the cities
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 28 October 2013 10: 36
            +2
            Quote: ivshubarin
            We rebuild the city N to the level of Moscow

            I suggest moving the capital every two weeks. wink
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 28 October 2013 10: 38
              0
              And what will we build in two weeks
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 28 October 2013 11: 27
                +2
                First of all, in Ryazan we will build a fortress wall in the Kremlin. This will restore historical injustice from the annexation of the Ryazan principality to Muscovy. And then the bastards, the Moscow princes tore to the ground. They were afraid, however, that we would fence ourselves off with barbed wire and create the Great Horde with the Tatars .. wink
                1. Kolovrat77
                  Kolovrat77 28 October 2013 11: 50
                  +1
                  And also Ryazan, Vladimir ruined, it is necessary to take revenge, we will collect army and ayda. wink
        2. RBLip
          RBLip 28 October 2013 10: 43
          +4
          Quote: alebor
          The point is not in Maskva, but in those leaders who sit there and determine economic policy. If they are transferred to city N, what will change?

          no really. Moscow is separated with the leadership wink
    2. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 28 October 2013 10: 57
      +5
      And the capital to urgently move to Omsk.
  • Begemot
    Begemot 28 October 2013 09: 07
    +7
    Separatism appears where the central government is weak and corroded by corruption, where there is no wisdom in governing the state, where laws are adopted either in favor of lobbying groups or in a "hangover stupor", and then they are rewritten 10 times, but still they remain toxic, as alcoholic exhaust. If 20% of the population of a huge country lives in one city, where 85% of the country's financial resources flow, then what kind of healthy domestic policy can we talk about? Dissatisfaction in the regions will grow and, if tough measures are not taken, it will grow into major separatist demonstrations. A powerful blow to separatism could be the transfer of the capital, for example, to Yekaterinburg or Perm, or even, following the example of the Germans and Kazakhs, to build a very small capital city like Bonn or Astana somewhere in the Urals. This could kill 4 birds with one stone. Firstly, Moscow is already annoying not only the provinces, but also the Muscovites themselves, and secondly, only real professionals and politicians will go to the Urals to work in the government and parliament, the husk will remain in the capital. Thirdly, it will give an impetus to the development of the Eastern regions, where there are resources, but no population and finances. Fourthly, the capital will find itself in the depths of Russia and many regions will no longer be considered remote, the imbalance in development will be leveled. In addition, for this action, it will be possible to reshape the country's administrative map, eliminating the local freemen of nationals and compradors. then you can forget about separatism for a long time.
  • shark
    shark 28 October 2013 09: 19
    +1
    If we don’t stop talking with the liberals, we’ll fall apart to the joy of mattresses. Where is the FSB, where are the cops in the end. Where are the landings and night arrests? Russia is an empire in any way, and like any empire, under liberalism it rots and falls apart. Only power.
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 28 October 2013 09: 20
    +2
    If someone doesn’t try to bite off a piece from Russia under the flag of “self-determination,” and at least calls for it, let him set out to escort Mother Siberia under escort. It is large, there is enough room for everyone: the Turkic separatists, and the Caucasian, and all others
    - say, do not unload KamAZ cement in bags (alone). What is real, it is proposed to do?
  • GAYDUK5
    GAYDUK5 28 October 2013 09: 22
    +1
    Once Prokhorov was asked about billions, earned to speak, good boy. With all due respect to VVP, a man with a capital letter, the oligarchy, he still could not "defeat". And these live on the principle of play off, divide and rule.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 28 October 2013 10: 53
      +9
      Quote: GAYDUK5
      With all due respect to GDP, a person with a capital letter

      Well, so the name and surnames are capitalized
      Quote: GAYDUK5
      he still could not "defeat" the oligarchy.

      GDP just right sits down for work "my struggle" in collaboration with Veksel .., Rother .., and other bergs, where did you see the struggle, on TV ?, so this is staff rotation of disloyal to approximate, moreover, in greater numbers
      in my opinion, such problems are allowed to grow in order to show the "struggle" and indispensability - the only one who saves the country from collapse, and all that was necessary for this rector - one call, from where it is necessary with a hint that his university will be quarantined from bird flu, and he himself will go to graze pigs, and the rector turns into a fiery fighter and denouncer of such ideas
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 28 October 2013 10: 57
        +3
        A significant indicator is SERDYUKOV-while he is free all talk of corruption is empty.
        I do not think that the GDP will decide to plant it.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 28 October 2013 11: 12
          -3
          Here they will minus you, and they will start higher now, but they will not be able to answer anything, it has already been checked more than once) Get ready to hear "He just does not see positive changes" and "Serdyukov is not allowed to be imprisoned, listen to Deputy Fedorov")
  • rpek32
    rpek32 28 October 2013 09: 27
    +2
    Separatism is definitely bad (and you have to punish it. Better yet, show an example: to separate the legs from the body and ask how it is). But you, dear ones, do not forget about the fact that thoughts about him do not come from a good life. hi
  • Sour
    Sour 28 October 2013 09: 42
    +2
    Quote: rpek32
    But you, dear ones, do not forget about the fact that thoughts about him do not come from a good life.

    From a bad life?
    Separatism is not at all a purely Russian problem. Separatist movements exist in the UK, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Germany, Canada, India, China, Iran, Turkey, and many African countries. Separatism is not directly related to the standard of living. He is in poor countries (like the Philippines or Nigeria), and in quite prosperous ones.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 28 October 2013 09: 47
    +5
    If the body does not have immunity, any infection can destroy it.
    Surgery, in the form of the work of the FSB and the tightening of punishment for calls for separation, is already when the body goes to hospital. That’s all, land.
    Basically, IMHO, the social base of separatism is youth. We have three or four generations of "Gorby and EBN chicks". These are generations without knowledge of their history, without understanding who they are, without a sense of the Motherland. Let me exaggerate a little. However, I think this is the main threat to the body.
    So far, I do not see a clear and unified awareness at the highest level - who we are and why Russia exists? There is only an emerging movement.
    When awareness comes, the country will have a dynamic of development, there will be success and victory. There will be education and, hopefully, upbringing.
    And then there will be no need to deal with rotten surgery.
    1. rpek32
      rpek32 28 October 2013 10: 05
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver
      penalties for calls for separation

      and there is no punishment for this, which is interesting (I mean the article of the Russian Federation)
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 28 October 2013 10: 42
        0
        Quote: rpek32
        ... but there is no punishment for this, which is interesting (I mean the article of the Russian Federation)

        Sorry, put it wrong No.
        Read the "introduction".
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 October 2013 09: 50
    +3
    And "Free Siberia" is not by any chance afraid that the People's Liberation Army of China is at its side? And that at the first opportunity it will "free" them from their heads? What's the use? Well, you will change the Moscow masters to the Peking ones, here I am sure that China will not miss such a chance. Yes, and that in Siberia they think that only they are dissatisfied with the current government? Oh, something, but to kick and wipe your feet on the current government as much as you want, and she deserves it, but should the self-styled thinkers, who is better to obey the idiots from hated Moscow, who really cannot do anything, or the occupying Chinese administration, which for non-fulfillment of its demands will simply blow your head off and find another?
  • Dimented
    Dimented 28 October 2013 09: 53
    +2
    Yes, put on a stake, and show on all TV channels - so that it was not disagreeable to others!
    1. VI Kacheev
      VI Kacheev 28 October 2013 10: 10
      -5
      Quote: DIMented
      Yes, put on a stake, and show on all TV channels - so that it was not disagreeable to others!

      Or maybe you need a stake ?!
      It so happened in life that to me, a 63-year-old engineer and inventor (2011 patents: the bullet - 2464416RU - has not changed for more than 130 years, the unitary cartridge with a composite sleeve - 2486438RU), i.e. "Techie", and have to participate in public life.
      About me: by birth - Siberian. But in life I had to live in the Urals and in Tatarstan. The name inherited from the parents is Vasily Ivanovich KACHEEV. There is also Upper KACHEEVO and Lower KACHEEVO in the present Tatarstan. I don’t know about how my grandfather, from present Tatarstan, and my grandmother, from Rasei, met in Siberia, therefore, without comment.
      I suggest that the audience strain their brains a bit and try to comprehend a different history of our country, which is different from that presented by the Muscovites, supposedly the rulers of Russia, while now Russia is a US colony.
      But, according to the map of the 18th century, which is in the British Encyclopedia, there is the Muscovite kingdom (Muscovy), as well as Great Tartaria, which occupies the territory of present Siberia and parts of present China. By the way, I note that when Kiev was already Stolnoy Grad - among other cities: Ryazan, Rostov, Smolensk and others - in the place of today's Moscow there were dense forests.
      For all my 63 years I have not seen anything from the Muscovites, except for nasty things - in Soviet times there was a “temporary” REGULAR price increases for everything, including food! Now all the money is in Moscow! In Muscovy, they steal most of all from the general budget — I won’t talk about Serdyukov and his thieves' harem.
      Why do not I support the separation of Muscovy from ALL RUSSIA?
      Siberia, as a colony of Muscovy and the USA has no prospects !!!
      The Chinese also do not need Siberians !!!
      What conclusions do Siberians make :!
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 28 October 2013 10: 30
        +2
        And you decided to separate from Ryazan? We're in Muscovy. There is no money here either. And my mother is Siberian. And I have big relatives there. Probably, you will introduce dual citizenship? Or an "iron" curtain?
        Do not expect. Russia has been, is and will be united. Despite your desire.
        I am for criminal responsibility for calling for the collapse of Russia.
      2. explorer
        explorer 28 October 2013 10: 32
        0
        It is understandable - around ENEMIES !! belay
        1. VI Kacheev
          VI Kacheev 28 October 2013 10: 56
          -1
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          And you decided to separate from Ryazan? We're in Muscovy. There is no money here either. And my mother is Siberian. And I have big relatives there. Probably, you will introduce dual citizenship? Or an "iron" curtain?
          Do not expect. Russia has been, is and will be united. Despite your desire.

          Quote: explorer
          It is understandable - around ENEMIES !!

          Are you, whose quotes I quoted above, by malice, or by thoughtlessness, trying to distort the meaning of my proposal?
          Я propose Muscovy AS THE MAJOR Ghoul OF RUSSIA, separate from Russia.
          If everything is normal with your intellect, then you SHOULD understand the SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE !!!
          1. rpek32
            rpek32 28 October 2013 19: 03
            -2
            Kacheev says the matter. Why not really separate Moscow from Russia?
      3. Dimented
        Dimented 28 October 2013 15: 08
        +1
        To begin with, I didn’t poke anyone. So, for you I am you!
        Stories about grandfather and grandmother, but about patents can be left for relatives, they have nothing to do with it. No matter what the memories of the 18th century, the 16th, etc. And for 2 thousand years, in general, individual tribes fled and fought with everyone. So what? Need to go back there?
        If by the age of 63 a person has not learned to understand anything in public life, then I will explain that separation and separation will not benefit anyone. Only! About the enemies. (Remember the year 91 and the collapse of the Union is better) That’s the number of enemies!
      4. cayman
        cayman 28 October 2013 21: 11
        +1

        Vasily Ivanovich KACHEEV
        Yes, no, he shouldn’t be counted, but you of an old crazy Russophobe. Take a look at how blown up, how overwhelmed you! Why did you get to this site? Who are you? You are not an engineer, inventor for us, and we don’t have to give us your patents. You are our worst enemy to the Russian people, worse than the Nazis, Islamic extremists, Jewish Zionists combined, because you are formally (according to the “passport”) assigned to our people and therefore not everyone immediately recognizes you as a reptile. Any enemy from non-Russians (even foreign, even homegrown) is an open enemy and therefore we are almost always ready to catch the blow. And such creatures like you, poison the national organism from within and crawl out into the light of day, casting off their masks, only when the nation is already extremely exhausted. You’re here so brave or arrogant (you have indicated your name and shake your patents) because you know: in the Kremlin, actual patrons of your kind have nested.
        But remember, the 63-year-old Russophobe is a separatist, power is not eternal. Everything flows and everything changes very quickly. And although it will seem incredible to you, but I think you are "gulchaty" Russophobic, you hurried to open your face. As Chairman Mao said: "out of a great mess, a great order will certainly arise." So when in Russia a big mess ends up and a BIG ORDER is established, you will not be put on a count - you will simply be hanged as an enemy of the people and a traitor to the Motherland, as your brothers Vlasov and policemen once hung. Although you are already 63 (as you say), nevertheless, do not die by your death. Wait! Not long already.
  • rpek32
    rpek32 28 October 2013 09: 57
    +1
    in the meantime:
    http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=rbcdaily.ru%2Fsociety%2F562949989368312&
    lang = ru & lr = 14
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 28 October 2013 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: rpek32
      in the meantime:

      Meanwhile, the first result was summed up with the limitation of electricity in several regions of Russia. I saw it yesterday. People begin to hide electric kettles. Luxury. Where is nanochubais with cheap electricity. On the rails like EBN, he did not promise to go to bed, but still.
      Meanwhile, in the Far East, officials believe the house destroyed by 75% is possible for restoration.
      We go to the experience of "civilization" in the West. In an interview I heard that in Germany some people do not flush the toilet every time to save water. We have experiments on the people with gas and water ahead.
      Sometimes it seems that the authorities are deliberately looking for the border of the people's indignation after which a "riot" may begin.
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 28 October 2013 11: 33
        +1
        I saw yesterday. on the first channel. the rulers bend us lower and lower am
      2. rpek32
        rpek32 28 October 2013 19: 07
        0
        Xie. belay Can I read a reference?
  • Yurich
    Yurich 28 October 2013 10: 01
    +3
    In the early 90s, when I was still serving in the Urals, I even remember a referendum on the creation of the Ural Republic (Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk and Perm), then "it did not work," but it seems that the rascals did not calm down. For calling for the collapse of the State, one must burn out such thoughts with a red-hot iron, and letting me in later will be accused of cruelty.
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 28 October 2013 10: 03
    +1
    HZ I live in Siberia about separatism I have not heard request
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 October 2013 10: 20
      +5
      Also a northerner, of course this is all a fairy tale about the separation of Siberia, but if we let us separate, then we here with such hucksters as Prokhorov will work only for heating)))
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 October 2013 10: 15
    0
    Prokhorov, well, such a pancake, how generally a hand rises for this huckster to put a tick.
  • 3935333
    3935333 28 October 2013 10: 23
    +4
    Siberia looks, other regions watch how Caucasian princelings are fed from their taxes, ordinary Russian people watch what Caucasian children (who have never worked) ride, look and see, and then think ... and the not very beautiful genre of the central government begins, like usually through the local media, through eternally hungry students. But!!! the fact that the industry of the Urals and Siberia, as well as the Far East, is already limping on both legs, the fact that scientific centers (Novosibirsk) are fading away - but Dima and Vova are investing money in Western projects like Skolkovo, although it would be better to invest in Novosib and Sarov. And believe me - Prokhorov is still an individual - in the next presidential elections, candidate number 1, and he has already begun his campaign! and very much at the right time for itself ... the crisis, however, began to torment Mother Russia, and not only economic, but also social.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 28 October 2013 12: 18
      +2
      We will not feed Moscow, Moscow will not feed the Caucasus what the Holodomor is
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 28 October 2013 12: 28
        +1
        They are so happy to separate Moscow and make it the capital of an independent Chechen-Dagestan-Hushetia, and they have no relation to normal Russia for a long time.
  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 28 October 2013 10: 23
    +3
    Quote: INTER

    For the development of the country, including remote areas, you need to build a capital in the middle of the country. Thus, Moscow will unload, just as Peter and the east will develop!


    ..... I support with two hands the capital in Novosib (although I myself am from Krasnoyarsk) but there are also flat places where there is much to expand and the potential is great, still the scientific capital of Siberia and the people are good !!!
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 28 October 2013 10: 51
      +8
      "I support the capital in Novosib with both hands (although I myself am from Krasnoyarsk)"

      and why did you decide to award Novosibirsk with this metropolitan foam? laughing
      You don’t have to transfer anything anywhere. it is necessary to transfer any scum from Moscow. whom in prison, whom to return home, whom to send, etc. and then Moscow will again become the heart of Russia, a beloved people, as it has been for centuries
      1. polly
        polly 28 October 2013 11: 41
        +2
        Starfish, I support you with both hands.
        What if there were cockroaches in the house, or what worse rats are, so to burn or throw the house and dump it in another? We need to talk about how the overgrown embezzlers with thieves and other liberal-blue rubbish, if not removed from the capital, then called to account in an effective way, so that they don’t think so, then it will be possible to restore order. And Moscow has stood for centuries with its glorious history and holy ancient temples and, God forbid, it will stand idle for more than one century, millions of lives have been laid for it, so that now they can pour it on their own mud!
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 28 October 2013 13: 12
        0
        Novosibirsk against the capital. why do we need hemorrhoids. on url to yekaterinburg. they sleep there and see it!
        1. svp67
          svp67 28 October 2013 13: 16
          +4
          Quote: Oberst_71
          Novosibirsk against the capital. why do we need hemorrhoids. on url to yekaterinburg. they sleep there and see it!

          I can reassure Moscow, dreams in Yekaterinburg are NORMAL, human. One request to the "Muscovites" - do not meddle with us WITH YOUR PROBLEMS and REPRESENTATIVES, solve them at home ...
  • O_RUS
    O_RUS 28 October 2013 10: 23
    +1
    I liked the article! +
  • Mr.M
    Mr.M 28 October 2013 10: 24
    +2
    And I'll tell you what the problem is. Flabby political "elites" who cannot see beyond their own noses and continue to stuff their belly is one thing. But the fact that since the collapse of the USSR to this day our state security clicks with its beak - this is really a disaster. How is it that in our country in Siberia there is an active activity of Western propagandists who sway the mood of separatism and poison the minds of young people? Now you can't blame this connivance and incompetence on the chaos of the 90s.

    I admit that I may not know some additional dimension of this problem and pitfalls, but it all looks exactly as I described.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 October 2013 10: 32
    +2
    It is one thing to tell jokes in the smoking room, another to carry out political activity, which, in fact, is unconstitutional. Here Stalin does not need to; it is necessary to ensure constitutional order anywhere in the country. And, Prokhorov, human rights grants and their goblins to the jail, - "Defend Democracy From Shitcrats".
  • pklimov
    pklimov 28 October 2013 10: 39
    +1
    Separatists to separate abroad.
  • ydjin
    ydjin 28 October 2013 10: 48
    +1
    Separate the separatists while cleansed of dirty thoughts! Best with a saw and an ax in hand.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 October 2013 10: 52
    +7
    If you separate, they gnaw and do not choke, only lick!
  • Denga
    Denga 28 October 2013 10: 55
    +3
    Quote: V. I. Kacheev
    Or maybe you need a stake?! It so happened in life that I, a 63-year-old engineer and inventor (2011 patents: bullet - 2464416RU - have not changed for more than 130 years, a unitary cartridge with a composite sleeve - 2486438RU), t, e. "Techie", and have to participate in public life. About myself: by birth - Siberian. But in life I had to live in the Urals and in Tatarstan. The name inherited from the parents is Vasily Ivanovich KACHEEV. There is also Upper KACHEEVO and Lower KACHEEVO in the present Tatarstan. I don’t know about how my grandfather, from present Tataria, and my grandmother, from Rasei, met in Siberia - therefore, without comment. I suggest that the audience strain their brains a bit and try to comprehend a different history of our country, which differs from that presented Muscovites, supposedly the rulers of Russia, while now Russia is a US colony. But, according to the map of the 18th century, which is in the British Encyclopedia, there is the Moscow kingdom (Muscovy), as well as Great Tartaria, which occupies the territory of present Siberia, and parts of present-day China. By the way, I note that when Kiev was already Stolnoy Grad - among other cities: Ryazan, Rostov, Smolensk and others - there were dense forests on the site of present-day Moscow. For all my 63 years I have not seen anything from Muscovites except mucks - in Soviet times “Temporary” REGULAR price increase for everything, including food! Now all the money is in Moscow! In Muscovy, they steal most of all from the general budget — I won’t talk about Serdyukov and his thieves' harem. Why shouldn’t I support the separation of Muscovy from ALL of Russia? Siberia, as a colony of Muscovy and the USA has no prospects !!! The Chinese also do not need Siberians !!! What conclusions do Siberians make :!


    Those who steal, in the event of the collapse and the outbreak of civil war, are likely to fall into 2 categories, the first will transfer accounts to foreign banks and dump them from the country, others may drag foreign interventionists here to return their assets as they did at the beginning of the 63th century (by the way, for this reason it is impossible to use thermonuclear weapons to protect your country). As a result, not those who dumped, but ordinary people, will suffer. If you are 90 years old and your memory still does not refuse, then you must remember the XNUMXs. Central Asia is almost entirely here, the North and South Caucasus also partly moved to the central part of Russia, the Baltic countries earn money in Europe, part of the enterprises in Ukraine have stopped, since nobody needs its industry. In general, there is simply no so-called independence . Siberia as a result of separatism will not remain alone, it will most likely be taken over by China, Japan and the United States will not sit idly by, and they will also share territory with resources.
    In general, I think that you are not an inventor, you are either a troll or an enemy.
    1. VI Kacheev
      VI Kacheev 28 October 2013 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Denga
      In general, I think that you are not an inventor, you are either a troll or an enemy.

      I am not hiding behind "nicknames", unlike YOU - I gave my first and last name.
      I give links on my developments:
      http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/10/10/prototype-rusengin-bullet/
      http://vpk.name/news/87610_na_voprosyi_posetitelei_portala_vpkname_gotov_otvetit
      _izobretatel_pul_novoi_konstrukcii_v_i_kacheev.html
      http://vpk.name/news/88712_izobretatel_pul_novoi_konstrukcii_v_i_kacheev_otvetil
      _na_voprosyi_polzovatelei_vpkname.html
      I am in a sober mind and a complete understanding of real life - otherwise how would I make developments recognized by inventors as patent experts!
      Article - "wiring" (in modern criminal terminology), with different purposes:
      1. Distract attention from the fact that Ukraine, at the request of most of the people, decided to enter into an alliance with the EU.
      This is an erroneous decision, but they decided so - it is their right.
      2. The decision according to claim 1 is a complete political fiasco of the current Muscovites !!! Muscovites can’t do anything, even suggest Ukraine - unlike the EU.
      You think it randomness - on this forum which day the topic of separatism is being discussed? No!!!
      What does a thief do when a crowd chases after him?
      That's right - THE FIRST SCREAMS: "Stop the thief!"
      Here are the Muscovites - MAIN DESTRUCTORS OF RUSSIA -
      shout about separatism !!!
      Is it really that hard to understand ?!
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 28 October 2013 13: 11
      +3
      25 years in Siberia and not going to secede. and friends are buddies the same.
  • rocketman
    rocketman 28 October 2013 11: 04
    +3
    Quote: ivshubarin
    In general, the right and left (up to Vladivostok) Amur banks

    Look at the map, dear! Although in childhood I was in Vladik last time, but I didn’t see any Cupid there ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 28 October 2013 11: 25
      0
      So look at which side of Vladivostok. Do not take it so literally
  • radio operator
    radio operator 28 October 2013 11: 04
    +2
    They are not the first and not the last to want to secede.
    It is not necessary to raise loud noise, but you need to respond quickly and harshly.
    Well, combine the carrot and stick.