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The statement is not made from scratch. In the east of the country, the local press is actively discussing the topic of separatism. The possibility of creating a separate Siberian state is being conducted in full swing, economic prospects are being calculated - they are radiant on paper. Students are also actively involved in this work. Such studies are generously funded, and not only from abroad - it seems there are Russian oligarchs who support this adventure. Surely the answer will be given. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has recently initiated the introduction of criminal responsibility for calls for separatism. But it is necessary to formulate more rigidly: responsibility should be imposed not only for appeals, but also for propaganda of separatism.

“What are you, you son of a bitch, impostor, squander state lands? This way, no volosts can be saved! ”Winged words from the unforgettable“ Ivan Vasilyevich ”are more than relevant today, which I personally saw when I visited Irkutsk. The city is good and spiritual people. Moscow, of course, is disliked. Honestly, there is a reason. Alas, the capital in the eyes of the outskirts of the center of science and culture is increasingly turning into a city of traffickers, oligarchs and thievish officials, pumping resources from the rest of Russia. And there were already those who wished to take advantage of such sentiments, having reanimated the seemingly sunk project of Siberian separatism.

The first martyr of this idea was the governor of Siberia, Matvey Gagarin, who was hanged by Peter I in the 1721 year according to the totality of sins. In the middle of the 19th century, right after the Crimean War, which had one of the goals, as you know, separating several regions from Russia, pro-Western Siberian independence periodically appeared among the pro-Western "educated classes" —the so-called regionalists. However, since the foreign ears from this idea stuck out too noticeably, and the attitude towards foreign agents, especially those who attempted to "one and indivisible", in the Russian Empire was not in the least tolerant than in the current Russian Federation, those were promptly sent to penal servitude.

Another attempt to straddle the same theme was undertaken, using the confusion of 1905 – 1907, a certain Party of Siberian independence. The separatists in August 1917 again raised their heads. A year later, they even proclaimed independence, but not for long. But with rampant "perestroika" the idea of ​​separation flourished with a double color. Like toadstools after the rain, they got out of the liberal dregs of the 90 parties and even the “liberation armies” with proposals to create the Ural, Yenisei and Baikal-Amur republics. Well, and naturally, with the requirements of Russia to compensate for the "colonial exploitation". They tried in all seriousness to construct the “Siberian language” from the local dialects, and during the last census they persuaded people to sign up as “Siberians” in order to demonstrate the “will of the people” to secession. It didn’t work - out of tens of millions of Siberians, there were only a few “Siberian nationalities”. However, already in 2011, within the framework of who organized the all-Russian campaign “Stop feeding the Caucasus!” It is clear that a rally “Stop feeding Moscow!” Was held in Novosibirsk.

If someone thinks that the topic of Siberian independence is raised exclusively by marginals, he should be upset: the preparation is proceeding at the most serious level. For example, the pro-Civic Platform, supported by Prokhorov (and perhaps also funded by her), the liberal newspaper The Day of Siberia, publishes an interview with the Siberian separatist Mikhail Kulekhov (he is the editor-in-chief) about how simply called the country.

Here, on the next page, there is a material that, according to a sociological survey, only 44% of the inhabitants of Russia consider themselves Russians. Any normal person will understand what is behind this figure: most consider themselves to be Russians, Tatars, Buryats, etc. And the "Russians" only in the second place.

But liberals, as we know, see only what they want to see. In the comments of a social movement “Regional Alternative of Siberia”, published here, everything turns upside down: “More than half of the population do not feel like Russians, and therefore do not see the need for the existence of the Russian Federation”!

This Internet resource is called the “Website of the Siberian people”, its slogan is “For our Siberian homeland!”. By the way, the Day of Siberia supporting separatist ideas is by no means distributed at opposition rallies, but in state institutions - in courts, in local governments. And the party of Mr. Prokhorov herself went to the polls with the frankly “regional” slogan: “The riches of Siberia are Siberians!” And, by the way, received four mandates in the Irkutsk Regional Duma!

Gentlemen do not ignore dissenters with their attention and youth. I was surprised to learn that there is a “Siberian-American” faculty in the Irkutsk state university, notice. Not “Russian-American”, but specifically “Siberian”. In 2011, there was a very interesting work for the future: students designed the economy of Siberia, which separated from Russia and became an independent state. Of course - prosperous. They say that a lot of grants were received from overseas for this project. The case is far from being isolated. I was told how a seminar was held in the Pedagogical Institute about the possibility of the existence of Siberia without Russia.

The company of dissenters is not limited to Mr. Prokhorov’s Siberian colleagues alone. At least several western projects of this kind are known: in addition to Siberia, the Cossacks and Cherkessia, Great Finno-Ugoria and Idel-Ural (the Volga region and the Urals) are subject to rejection from Russia. The pseudo-Russian separatists are not far behind: some want to separate Ingermanlandia (St. Petersburg with adjacent territories), others want Northern Russia (the lands of the ancient Novgorod Republic occupied by the Muscovites), and others Zalesskaya Russia (approximately within the boundaries of the Grand Duchy of Moscow) . With all the variety of appetites, this motley gang has something in common - an obsessive idea to finish off (and not reunite) the ancestors collected by our ancestors, but now our Fatherland, torn to pieces by the living. And the general sponsors who direct and finance all such activities. Obviously, the same ones who like to speculate that, they say, Russia is not entitled to own Siberia alone, which is the property of the entire world community.

At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, integrity of Russia are those “red lines” that no one should enter. I want to believe that the corresponding decisions will follow these words. Yes, any person, a group of people and even an ethnos has the right to self-determination. But without a single square centimeter of Russian territory: do not like it - left.

If someone doesn’t try to gnaw a piece of Russia under the flag of “self-determination”, but at least calls for it, let him go to the landscaping of Mother Siberia under escort. It is big, there is enough space for everyone: both Turkic separatists, and Caucasian, and all others. And of course, Siberian - from the Irkutsk team of Mr. Prokhorov.
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  1. +12
    28 October 2013 07: 55
    Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.
    1. +19
      28 October 2013 08: 03
      Thank God driving GDP.
      I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese. am
      1. -10
        28 October 2013 08: 05
        Damansky Island was transferred under the USSR
        1. +9
          28 October 2013 08: 10
          Not true!


          In 1991 and 1994, the parties were able to determine the border along its entire length except for the islands near Khabarovsk. Damansky Island was officially transferred to China in 1991. In 2004, an agreement was reached on the islands near Khabarovsk and on the Argun River. Today, the passage of the Russian-Chinese border along its entire length is established - this is about 4,3 thousand kilometers.
          1. +4
            28 October 2013 08: 20
            In 1991, we still lived in the USSR
            1. +10
              28 October 2013 08: 28
              The island belonged to the RSFSR and without the consent of YELTSIN it could not be transferred to the Chinese.
              1. +1
                28 October 2013 08: 40
                You are talking about GDP, now EBN
                1. -9
                  28 October 2013 09: 39
                  You are talking about GDP, now EBN

                  EBN in the next world and ask who you need.
                  1. +16
                    28 October 2013 09: 43
                    Iron logic, let's answer for the sale of Alaska
                    1. -3
                      28 October 2013 10: 30
                      Quote: ivshubarin
                      let's answer for the sale of Alaska

                      it is leased temporarily crying
                      1. +8
                        28 October 2013 10: 37
                        Alaska sold for $ 7,2 million by Emperor Alexander 2
                      2. wk-083
                        0
                        1 November 2013 20: 24
                        Where is the rent money?
                  2. d_trader
                    +1
                    28 October 2013 19: 45
                    Let us ask you ?!
              2. Yarosvet
                +7
                28 October 2013 12: 20
                Quote: The same Lech
                without the consent of YELTSIN, they could not give it to the Chinese.

                And with the consent of EBNya, too
                1. +7
                  28 October 2013 14: 02
                  Crimea was transferred under the USSR without any referendum.
                  1. +9
                    28 October 2013 14: 14
                    All southern territories were transferred to Crimea to Ukraine, which had no access to the Black Sea
                  2. Yarosvet
                    0
                    28 October 2013 16: 04
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Crimea was transferred under the USSR without any referendum.

                    AND? Thus, the Constitution was violated, or what?
                    1. 0
                      28 October 2013 16: 09
                      What a referendum, we were one country and were not going to secede
              3. wk-083
                0
                1 November 2013 20: 28
                Gorbachev conveyed, EBN did not solve questions of the state border of the USSR.
          2. +2
            28 October 2013 10: 21
            Could you share the sources? Interested in transferring land to other states starting from 90g
            Thank you
        2. +4
          28 October 2013 10: 56
          In the USSR, he was gouged in March 1969 with Grads, together with a regiment of Chinese!
          1. 0
            28 October 2013 20: 56
            Then the BTR-60 proved to be a real tank
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        4. 0
          28 October 2013 20: 53
          Gorbachev calmly took this beast and gave it for a penny Damansky
          1. 0
            28 October 2013 23: 11
            Quote: Basarev
            Gorbachev calmly took this beast and gave it for a penny Damansky


            if he gave for pennies would he become a saint? strange logic !!
        5. wk-083
          0
          1 November 2013 20: 30
          Why comrade minus ?! because he is right.
      2. +15
        28 October 2013 09: 00
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese. am

        I am also offended that the military labor and feat of our border guards was in vain.
        As far as I know, the reason for the transfer of the island was the principle of border formation itself. According to international standards, the border runs along the fairway of the river. With the Chinese, the border was laid along their shore. Well done were our ancestors.
        1. +9
          28 October 2013 09: 09
          In general, the right and left (up to Vladivostok) coasts of the Amur finally only with Alexander II retreated to the Russian Empire. The Chinese are still muddying with the border, building dams and moving the Amur fairway to our territory
          1. +16
            28 October 2013 11: 22
            Fairways along with channels tend to change, incl. and artificially. It is necessary to geographically fix the coordinates of the borders, i.e. each point of the border should have a CONSTANT ITS latitude and longitude. And so many disputes will go away by themselves.
      3. -5
        28 October 2013 09: 45
        Quote: The same Lech
        Thank God driving GDP.
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese. am


        Who cares what you want there?
        1. +6
          28 October 2013 10: 13
          I care, if you do not care about it then I do not care. am
          1. -8
            28 October 2013 15: 44
            Quote: The same Lech
            I care, if you do not care about it then I do not care. am


            Judging by the text, you're a fanatic. Your statements give extremism. Wash you just need to grow up?
            1. New Russia
              +2
              28 October 2013 15: 58
              Quote: Geisenberg
              Your statements give extremism.



              The same LEKHA: on what basis the island DAMANSKY was transferred

              Extremism on the face, first they ask on what basis, then they ask where the money disappeared, and there it’s not far from treason!)
            2. 0
              29 October 2013 03: 35
              From yourself start wise guy.
          2. fedorovith
            0
            28 October 2013 19: 19
            Do not worry there is almost none.
      4. Fin
        +1
        28 October 2013 10: 17
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I would like to know on what basis the island DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese

        This has recently been an article on VO. Look maybe there will be fewer questions.
      5. +3
        28 October 2013 11: 56
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese.


        On the basis of the Aigun Treaty, which after 2 years was promptly replaced by the Peking Treaty, signed virtually at the muzzle of the Anglo-French cannons that threatened Beijing as a result of the 2nd Opium War. That is, the last contract is purely unequal and unfair. And from the point of view of justice and humanity, its revision is justified. True, in politics there is no justice and humanity. However, all the same, the Chinese can say a big "salvation" to Khrushch and the hunchbacked ugly, the first of which recognized the border according to the provisions of 1919 on the river, and the second, in principle, refused the provisions of the Beijing Treaty. And if Khrushchev's concessions can somehow be explained by attempts to improve relations with our lesser communist brothers, which he himself ruined by his "debunking of the personality cult," then the latter's actions, in principle, defy any definition except betrayal. In such a situation, the concession of several small islands and half of the Bolshoi Ussuriysk was inevitable from a legal and diplomatic point of view. By and large, thanks to the "Tambov comrade" Khrushchev, as soon as the Japanese moderate their appetite, they will receive two southern islands from the Kuril chain.
      6. 0
        28 October 2013 19: 08
        The island was transferred on the grounds that, according to the agreement, the island should belong to the side closer to which they are located. This applies not only to Damansky Island, but to all other islands. Damansky is separated from the Chinese side by a small channel that constantly silted.
      7. +3
        28 October 2013 19: 45
        Same lech
        I would like to know on what basis DAMANSKY was transferred to the Chinese — give me the legal grounds for this separate deal with the Chinese.

        Stop beating yourself in the chest with burning patriotism. Even in the 70x the channel of the Ussuri River changed and the island remained on the Chinese side of it. According to the Soviet-and then Russian-Chinese treaties, the border on the rivers passes along the fairways. So the grounds are quite legal.
        And by now Damansky has ceased to be an island at all, it has been connected by an isthmus with China.
        I’ll tell you more, to the south, on the Tumangan River, our neighbors specially carried out soil work on the river in order to wash our shore. And everything was also legal. A little more and the building of our outpost would have been washed away ... And at the beginning of the 2000 thousandths, they finally decided to start work on our part. And again, everything is legal ...
        In general, read more and less emotions.
        1. 0
          29 October 2013 15: 42
          You know that the Chinese are carrying out irrigation work to wash the coasts in disputed territories, which prevents us from doing the same, or we can silently agree with everything that happens with these islands.
          As I see it, it’s easiest for you to kick your compatriot than to root for your homeland.
    2. +22
      28 October 2013 08: 37
      Quote: a52333
      and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.

      Well, it's you in vain. Sibiryakov frosts and place of residence are not particularly scared. We do not live in Sochi anyway.
      But according to the article, indeed, such moods, especially among students, became noticeable. The older generation does not think outside Russia, but the youth ... And this is primarily due to the loss of attractiveness of many Siberian cities, the lack of prospects for life in them.
      It is no secret that the cities of Siberia are mostly tied to the defense industry, the scientific, engineering and technical potential of this particular industry. And the current situation is that money is invested, in many ways, in other enterprises closer to the center. Specialists are forced to leave. young.
      But Siberia was, is and will be Russia. And about what to call it ... - I, too, am a country my country is a country. In Altai is also a country. Yakutia is a country. And so? We are Russia and it remains.
      Only now, Russia should think about how to make sure that a huge part of it does not depopulate at all ... or is not covered ...
      1. +19
        28 October 2013 08: 56
        Quote: domokl
        Only now, Russia should think about how to make sure that a huge part of it does not depopulate at all ... or is not covered ...

        For the development of the country, including remote areas, you need to build a capital in the middle of the country. Thus, Moscow will unload, just as Peter and the east will develop!
      2. +14
        28 October 2013 11: 54
        Quote: domokl
        Only now, Russia should think about how to make sure that a huge part of it does not depopulate at all ... or is not covered ...

        Not RUSSIA, but Moscow with our beloved Vladimir Putin! He had a lot of time, and he will still, will he not leave us in a difficult year? (His future fourth term in galleys). I personally have no doubt that he will not hand over the president’s chair. Will rule all the way! Over the years of his reign, our president (V.V.P) has perfectly mastered the technique of speech, learned to speak beautifully and promise a lot, and this cannot but rejoice !!!
        1. +9
          28 October 2013 12: 06
          "During the years of his reign, our president (V.V.P) has perfectly mastered the technique of speech, learned to speak beautifully and promise a lot, and this cannot but rejoice !!!"

          Are you a professor of literature? laughing
          because such achievements cannot please anyone else. I would like other achievements.
          1. +8
            28 October 2013 12: 22
            Quote: Starfish
            Are you a professor of literature?

            I will answer you in poetic form. Will this give you some idea about me?

            The torment of creativity.

            Sometimes I write such nonsense,
            What rhymes groan-lined up in a row!

            For me, a psychiatrist has been crying for a long time!
            Am I spending my talent on stupidity?

            Bogged down in thought like a quagmire
            Sometimes I sit in the kitchen until the morning!

            And the smoke comes from cigarettes,
            I thought that it’s time in Kashchenko ???

            That's about me. Hello dear Starfish hi
            1. +5
              28 October 2013 12: 24
              and you do not have to be ill. I understood your joke, I just decided to show off the same "wit", as I can of course
      3. +1
        28 October 2013 17: 11
        Quote: domokl
        so that a huge part of it does not populate at all ... or doesn’t go around ...
        I agree, the problem. First of all, I don’t even know what to put. Probably - she was depopulated, not exactly. The density there was not large. And something needs to be done with this. Otherwise, as you rightly said, we wander around. I prepared an article on this (almost) topic, tomorrow I will etch fleas from it. The subject is close.
        1. +1
          28 October 2013 18: 39
          What to do? Australia began with hard labor, is now flourishing. It turns out that there are quite a few lovers of separation - I don’t want to populate, of course, at first under guard and in barracks. FSB time to pick your nose.
        2. +3
          28 October 2013 21: 01
          Therefore, the capital should be moved to Krasnoyarsk. All the same, the geographical center of Russia. Even Mendeleev defined.
      4. terkin.vasi
        +2
        28 October 2013 17: 49
        Quote: Valery Neon
        hi One single question arises.-where is the FSB request ..., everything listed in the article is a direct threat to the security of the state.

        Hand washes a hand. The FSB and the FMS cooperate - they share the lava from the sale of passports and other documents bought again and again by guest workers. Business is nothing more.
    3. +1
      28 October 2013 09: 48
      Quote: a52333
      Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.


      Yes, the GDP certainly will not allow it, but will he manage to isolate these dismemberers into prison territories (and even better at the cemetery) during his time ??? After all, GDP is one and not for a very long time, and disintegrators are products of the metabolism of an alien system and will always be.
      1. +7
        28 October 2013 11: 59
        Quote: Geisenberg
        but will he manage to isolate these dismemberers into prison territories during his time

        When did he have time? All the time, according to the results of the rake, and not for reasons!
      2. -1
        28 October 2013 17: 18
        Quote: Geisenberg
        After all, GDP is one and not for a very long time
        Well, there is time before the 20 year. The term is decent. hi
        1. New Russia
          0
          28 October 2013 17: 41
          Well, we'll see .....)
      3. +2
        28 October 2013 21: 02
        Yes, to stake them, these dismembers!
    4. +7
      28 October 2013 11: 00
      You’re just like in an old Soviet joke:

      Two Chukchi are walking along the shore of the Bering Strait.
      One of them says "again, food from the mainland was delivered late"
      Another "better keep quiet, otherwise they will send you"
    5. New Russia
      +8
      28 October 2013 11: 02
      "Thank God, VVP is behind the wheel, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one."
      Come on! "Aidar Halim, a well-known national writer-Russophobe in Tatarstan, made a presentation of his new book, Hongweibing," Russkiy Obozrevatel reports.

      In the epic novel Halim raises the problems of the survival and preservation of the Tatar people, reveals the connection of language and traditions with the moral health and self-identity of the nation, shows the fate of Tatar emigrants as an example of the centuries-old fate of one Tatar family.

      The writer speaks extremely unflattering about the Russian people, the Russian people, in his opinion, are "debilitated, lumpenized, drunk." “Violence, mate, vodka, dirt, lice, deceit, fires, arson, executions, rape, suicide - that’s what the Russian people brought to me. And nothing more". In his opinion, the marriage of Tatars and Russians “violates the law of nature”.

      Aydar Halim has a number of published works with a clear anti-Russian attitude: "The Book of Sorrow, or Notes of an Aboriginal", "This Invincible Chechen ... (" Kaysya, Russia! "): Notes on the Russian-Chechen War," Kill the Empire! "."

      United Russia: "There is no such nationality as Russian."


      And where is the reaction of the putler at least some ??? As always, it only grinds: At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are those “red lines” that no one should go for. I would like to believe that these words will be followed by appropriate decisions. Yes, any person, group of people and even ethnic group has the right to self-determination. But without a single square centimeter of Russian territory: I do not like it - they left. What a cool president! It’s a pity that I can’t do anything with my tongue on a single problem within the country.

      Formally, yes, our lands are not being handed over to other countries, almost) But what in reality ??? The Stavropol Territory was left to the barbarians, there was no Russian power there, Moscow was surrendered, the creeping capture of the Moscow Region, the southern Urals, Siberia. Even in central Russia, extinct Russian villages are inhabited by Putin's barbarians.
      1. -1
        28 October 2013 11: 39
        The Stavropol Territory was left to the barbarians, there was no Russian power there, Moscow was surrendered, the creeping capture of the Moscow Region, the southern Urals, Siberia. Even in central Russia, extinct Russian villages are populated by Putin's barbarians


        And what do you think is the Russian government?

        Do not read propaganda nonsense on the Internet.
        1. New Russia
          +6
          28 October 2013 12: 00
          "And what do you think is the Russian government?" The power under which the indigenous people feel themselves to be the master on their land, and not a single pig will come here with its filthy laws and will not even be able to open its mouth.

          A handbook on combating "extremism" in the Stavropol region
          The book does not mention either Wahhabis, Muslims, or any other nationalities or sects, the main criterion of an "extremist" is Russian nationality, Orthodox, less often a pagan, which is written about in the text. I wonder who, then, is committing terrorist acts, killing Russian people?
          The compiler of the book is Cheban Vladimir Vasilievich, his position is unknown, but in the representative office of Dagestan in the Stavropol Territory
          On Russian soil, I am fighting against Russian extremists.

          "Don't read propaganda stuff on the internet." I don't need to read, I live in the south.
          1. -7
            28 October 2013 14: 08
            Quote: New Russia
            "And what do you think is the Russian government?"

            And for these words you are minus.
          2. 0
            28 October 2013 16: 52
            Power under which the indigenous people feel themselves to be masters of their land, and not a single pig will come here with its filthy laws and cannot even open its mouth

            You will never please everyone. There will always be unhappy, poor ....
            As for the indigenous population, that is still a controversial issue .... do you think each nationality should have its own law or something?
            And who's stopping you from feeling your master? Nobody wants to work - everyone always wants to sit and do nothing, but so that at the same time there is wealth and respect. Why did you allow yourself to be "crushed"? did not take any measures? Who was Putin expected? or a super-man, protector of all innocents? Nobody cares about your problems and misfortunes. You must solve them YOURSELF! Here is such a cruel world ...
            1. kaktus
              +1
              28 October 2013 16: 59
              Well, from France, of course, you know better .. how is it with tolerance?
              1. New Russia
                +3
                28 October 2013 17: 18
                With Brighton Beach is generally cool) We sit and sunbathe write comments)
            2. +4
              28 October 2013 17: 04
              Quote: JonnyT
              You will never please everyone.

              What did you mean?
              Quote: JonnyT
              Regarding the indigenous population, that is still a controversial issue.

              What's the question? In the presence of such a population? So the government successfully resolves this issue by replacing the indigenous population with migrants
              Quote: JonnyT
              .in your nationality should have its own law or what?

              But do Russian laws mean anything to some nationalities?
              Quote: JonnyT
              Nobody wants to work - everyone always wants to sit and do nothing, but so that there is respect and prosperity.

              Are you talking to yourself or something? Or judge by yourself?
              Quote: JonnyT
              I do not care for all your problems and misfortunes. You must solve them YOURSELF! Here is such a cruel world .....

              Well, do not bother to identify and begin to solve your problems to the Russian population. The easiest way to joke. When problems touch you personally then we’ll see how you speak
              1. -1
                28 October 2013 19: 42
                What did you mean?

                whatever the power, there will always be those who are not happy with it for any reason ....
                What's the question? In the presence of such a population? So the government successfully resolves this issue by replacing the indigenous population with migrants

                But what if the indigenous population dies? Where to quickly and cheaply get labor resources? And the people went selfish (thanks to the Western development model) few people want to do hard work ... It's one thing to knock on the keyboard, and another to work, for example, a concrete worker ....
                But do Russian laws mean anything to some nationalities?
                Well, yes .... there is definitely a dull problem, but we need to look deeper ...... here lobbying by the diasporas of their interests is on the face ...
                Are you talking to yourself or something? Or judge by yourself?

                Unfortunately man is so arranged ...
                Quote: Normal
                Well, do not bother to identify and begin to solve your problems to the Russian population. The easiest way to joke. When problems touch you personally then we’ll see how you speak

                Yes, I did not even think to interfere with anyone and joke. It just bothers me a little that many "point to a mess, but don't want to clean it up, take care of their sugar pens" ...
                1. New Russia
                  +5
                  28 October 2013 19: 54
                  Quote: JonnyT
                  But what if the indigenous population dies? Where to get labor resources quickly and cheaply? Yes, and the people went selfish

                  Yes, bad people, damn drunken Russians. Destroy. Replace.
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2013 21: 07
                    Try to soberly assess the situation ....... You probably very vaguely imagine what might lead to large-scale changes in the Russian state ...... the situation is very explosive ...... Or give you a blood bath ..... you are probably ready to cut Chechen, Dagestan and so on. kids for the prosperity of the great Russian nation
            3. New Russia
              +3
              28 October 2013 17: 14
              Quote: JonnyT
              You will never please everyone. There will always be unhappy, poor ...

              Of course, but we are in 1 place for the separation of income and the injustice of the judiciary, which is too much.
              Quote: JonnyT
              do you think each nationality should have its own law or something?

              No, all the peoples of Russia who live in peace with the Russians have the right to receive equality with us in rights, who do not want to live in peace, will be loaded into cars and into Kazakhstan, and those who remain will be deprived of their rights. For the rest, the law is one.
              Quote: JonnyT
              Why did you allow yourself to be "crushed"? did not take any measures? Who was Putin expected?

              The rule of law and a fair trial is a matter of power and not of ordinary people.
              1. 0
                28 October 2013 17: 38
                Quote: New Russia
                No, all the peoples of Russia who live in peace with the Russians have the right to receive equality with us in rights, who do not want to live in peace, will be loaded into cars and into Kazakhstan, and those who remain will be deprived of their rights. For the rest, the law is one.

                Why to Kazakhstan?
                1. New Russia
                  0
                  28 October 2013 17: 43
                  By analogy with Stalin
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2013 23: 14
                    Quote: New Russia
                    By analogy with Stalin


                    and Kazakhstan will agree to this? after all, Kazakhstan is not Russia
                    1. New Russia
                      -1
                      28 October 2013 23: 23
                      Ahahahaha then, to Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, they don’t give a damn about these, and nuclear waste there too.
                      1. +3
                        28 October 2013 23: 43
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Ahahahaha then, to Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, they don’t give a damn about these, and nuclear waste there too.


                        strange reasoning! but in general, I think your baby is crying in another room!. you would have to deal with it, and not to write here the devil knows what. hi
                      2. New Russia
                        0
                        28 October 2013 23: 48
                        Do not worry about my baby, he has someone to follow) In general, I am sitting very late today, so bear with a haha

                        Quote: lonely
                        write here the devil knows what.

                        Yes, it didn’t work out well)
                      3. 0
                        28 October 2013 23: 56
                        Quote: lonely
                        strange reasoning! but in general, I think your baby is crying in another room!. you would have to deal with it, and not to write here the devil knows what. hi


                        You do not write correctly, dear. Forgot to put the stress: "pisаt or nиpiss? laughing
                      4. 0
                        29 October 2013 22: 00
                        Quote: Old Rocketman
                        Do not write correctly, dear. Forgot to put the stress: "write or write?


                        lol wassat
      2. +13
        28 October 2013 12: 04
        Quote: New Russia
        And where is the reaction of the putler at least some ???

        The reaction of the GDP will be only to the actions of the Russians, since nationalism is only Russian, all other nationalisms are ethno-cultural characteristics and the preservation of folk traditions. Only Russians are forbidden to stutter about self-determination, everyone else is given the green light. The power in Russia is openly Russophobic, because only the Russian people are the master of the country. If the Russians realize this and move from slumber to action, then the power based on nat. minorities, migrants and consisting largely of representatives of the "God's chosen" people will lose the opportunity to live off the country's resources. So they frighten us with the collapse of the country and the civil war so that we keep quiet and endure henceforth the bloodsuckers of the Russian Land
      3. -1
        28 October 2013 14: 07
        This Kenneth Chachran has already hesitated.
        Quote: New Russia
        "Thank God, driving the GDP, not the EBN

        For these words you minus.
        1. +5
          28 October 2013 14: 20
          Quote: Setrac
          For these words you minus.

          That is, EBN would be better? Or is it that, then driving GDP - not thank God?
          Quote: Setrac
          This Kenneth Chachran has already hesitated.

          And for these words minus you.
          Learn how to argue, prove your case and refute opponents. Does not work? Alas for you.
          1. -2
            28 October 2013 15: 20
            Quote: Normal
            That is, EBN would be better? Or is it that, then driving GDP - not thank God?

            Quote: Normal
            And for these words minus you.
            Learn how to argue, prove your case and refute opponents. Does not work? Alas for you.

            What does the GDP or EBN, or the evidence of someone right? In his message, this Cannet knocked out quotes and sentences without any order. For slow-witted people like this cannette, I’ll clarify that there is such a button - quote. This chachran simply does not respect its interlocutors.
            well and minus you for parity bully
            1. New Russia
              0
              28 October 2013 15: 51
              You minus for 4 times the repetition of me as a man, slow-witted)
              1. -3
                28 October 2013 16: 34
                Quote: New Russia
                You minus for 4 times the repetition of me as a man, slow-witted)

                Your profile does not show that you are female. But the inability to use the simplest browser functions is a serious application for your mental limitations.
                1. +6
                  28 October 2013 16: 53
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Your profile does not show that you are female ... ... an application for your mental disability.

                  For personal prejudice and rudeness in relation to the weaker sex, therefore for YOUR mental limitation and elementary bad manners - minus
                2. New Russia
                  +3
                  28 October 2013 16: 55
                  We once argued, and I told you my gender. And my limitations are better defined by argument ...
                  1. -1
                    28 October 2013 17: 04
                    Quote: New Russia
                    We once argued, and I told you my gender. And my limitations are better defined by argument ...

                    Is Kenneth Chachran your real name?
                    1. New Russia
                      +3
                      28 October 2013 17: 24
                      Not)...............
                  2. yur
                    yur
                    +1
                    28 October 2013 23: 13
                    Forgive me, but all your "argumentation" boils down to one thing - Putin is bad. I am not an indisputable admirer of Putin, but I understand that constant attacks on the head of state, elected by the majority of the people, harm the country and, first of all, the Russian people for which you seem to be fighting so zealously. Do you understand? If not, it's a pity, but if you understand, then you are a "sent Cossack", only more subtly working.
                    1. New Russia
                      0
                      28 October 2013 23: 30
                      Quote: yur
                      elected by the majority of the people

                      Hopefully not as elected by the majority as EdRo?)
                      Quote: yur
                      all your "argumentation" is reduced to one-Putin is bad.

                      Nonsense, I always argue why it is bad, and I say about Putin when I see that everyone is being tricked that Medvedev is to blame.
                      Quote: yur
                      You are a "misdirected Cossack"

                      You just want to believe it, the Vedas in the world you made up against Putin for money only.
                      1. 0
                        28 October 2013 23: 36
                        Quote: New Russia
                        Hopefully not as elected by the majority as EdRo?)

                        It is necessary to abandon elections by party lists.
                      2. New Russia
                        0
                        28 October 2013 23: 41
                        I agree, it is necessary to ban the parties altogether, and to leave ideological trends, each of which will be the basis of the new state and, in principle, I can not deceive the voters.
            2. +3
              28 October 2013 16: 33
              Quote: Setrac
              What does the GDP or EBN

              Wherein:
              Quote: Setrac

              Quote: New Russia
              "Thank God, driving the GDP, not the EBN

              For these words you minus.

              For the inclusion of a fool - minus
              Quote: Setrac
              or evidence of someone's innocence?

              Not someone’s rightness, but his own. You can’t prove it - don’t get personal. Learn to communicate and defend your point of view.
              Quote: Setrac
              In his message, this Cannet knocked out quotes and sentences without any order.

              There is such a thing, but you didn’t give her a minus for that and now you are "moving out to the bazaar."
              Quote: Setrac
              .This chachran just does not respect their interlocutors.

              An example of your respect for the interlocutor?

              Quote: Setrac
              minus you for parity

              I’m minus you - for the cause. You are my minus for parity.
              Not a problem, I will return with interest
              1. 0
                28 October 2013 16: 55
                Quote: Normal
                For the inclusion of a fool - minus

                That you turn on the fool.
                Quote: Normal
                Not someone’s rightness, but his own. You can’t prove it - don’t get personal. Learn to communicate and defend your point of view.

                I defend my point of view, and she is. This (this) Kannet Chachran can love GDP in any form accessible to him (her), I don’t care, but let him put things in order in his comments, and theoretically Kannet Chachran is an educated person, but practically it’s taiga darkness.
    6. +12
      28 October 2013 11: 38
      Quote: a52333
      Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.


      What kind of bears))))

      "The transfer of the territory of Norway by Russia is a gift made by the Russian Federation to Norway under President Medvedev.
      On September 15, 2010, Medvedev and the Prime Minister of Norway signed in Murmansk the Agreement on the delimitation of maritime spaces in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean. "

      "... However, already in 2011, within the framework of the organized all-Russian action" Stop feeding the Caucasus! " in Novosibirsk there was a rally "Stop feeding Moscow!" ... "- the same happened recently. With GDP / Medvedev / GDP

      So it's too early to talk about bears ...
      But where does the FSB look ... do they have no order to respond? or order - do not respond?
      After all, the dismembers, here they are all on the palm, no one is hiding. And their sponsors are probably well known ...
      And if desired, it would have been possible without "the Communist Party of the Russian Federation recently came up with an initiative to introduce criminal liability for calls for separatism" to make a rustle.
    7. +7
      28 October 2013 11: 45
      Quote: a52333
      Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.

      dear, Alexey! it seems so. and why we have from bread to a communal apartment is more and more expensive! I sho live in another country! where is justice. you just do not hear the VOICE of the local population! everyone says it's good to feed the center! They take everything from us and they will throw a "bone" for us and all the governors are covered in chocolate, and the people are on the "bone". you do not tell why so! hi
      1. +1
        29 October 2013 06: 20
        Quote: Far East
        Quote: a52333
        Well, you never know who and what he wants now. Thank God at the wheel of GDP, not EBN, and for such desires, you can easily change your place of residence to a more northern one, and campaign there, but already polar bears.

        dear, Alexey! it seems so. and why we have from bread to a communal apartment is more and more expensive! I sho live in another country! where is justice. you just do not hear the VOICE of the local population! everyone says it's good to feed the center! They take everything from us and they will throw a "bone" for us and all the governors are covered in chocolate, and the people are on the "bone". you do not tell why so! hi


        They take away from EVERYONE !!!
    8. alexeyal
      +1
      28 October 2013 13: 12
      The author of the article, Vladimir Khomyakov, is the co-chairman of the Great Fatherland Party (Air Defense)
      The head of the "National-Patriotic" faction.
      The Great Fatherland Party advocates the introduction of criminal liability for statements aimed at the dismemberment of Russia and the separation of any part (any) of Russia.
      1. Yarosvet
        +3
        28 October 2013 15: 57
        Quote: alekseyal
        I welcome Alexei - how are you doing in the field of agitation?

        I did not have the opportunity to answer the points given on the 22nd, but since they intersperse the substitution of concepts, direct lies and speculations, I will do it now.
        So - in your opinion, Putin’s services are as follows:

        1 Prevention of the collapse of the Russian Federation in the 99th - substitution of concepts: 1) the withdrawal of a subject from the Russian Federation is impossible without the consent of the center (Part 5 of Art. 66 K-ii) 2) separation of the subject is not the collapse of the Federation

        2 Abolition of the oligarchic management system - substitution of concepts: such a system never existed, there was a lobby that exists now

        3,4 Cancel PSA - a lie: 225 Federal Laws are valid, 3 fields both worked on the terms of agreements and are working, and the increase in oil revenues to the budget (20 times) is not associated with a revision of the tax system, but with an increase in prices (10 times) and consumption (in 2 times)

        5 Nationalization of Yukos - substitution of concepts: not nationalization, but a cut with the subsequent giving of pieces to a business affiliated with the Government

        6 Eliminating the influence of the West - speculation: this effect is at least not proven

        7 Increasing political influence and improving the image of the Russian Federation - speculation: media hype is not a criterion

        8 GDP growth - substitution of concepts: GDP growth is certainly significant, but what is the use of this country? GDP is just the market value of final goods and services, that is, the total amount of all transactions - prices are rising, GDP is growing.

        9 External debt reduction - substitution of concepts: while everyone has beaten their debts, the Russian Federation, instead of developing its own economy, gives them away, while simultaneously writing off debts to its debtors - this is an achievement.

        And on corruption - in the 10th year, top officials said that the corruption market in the Russian Federation had reached the size of the budget.
        1. alexeyal
          0
          29 October 2013 05: 22
          When did people live better in material terms in 90 or 2000?
          In 90 half a year we did not pay salaries and pensions, I remember that. At the same time, Yeltsin complied with all the instructions of the United States and the West, while shooting parliament from tanks. And for the west he was good, because he acted in the interests of the west. One HEU-LEU deal caused an estimated loss of 8 trillion. Doll.
          http://www.kp.ru/daily/26139.3/3028007/

          As soon as Putin slowly began to take Russia out of the control of the United States, all the media immediately let him down. They started to pour mud over it. I was already quite old in 90 and can compare, in the 2000s it became much better than 90.

          It is clear that I want that there was no corruption, so that all the oligarchs were imprisoned (who were illegally enriched). And I do not like United Russia, so I joined the Great Fatherland Party.
          But criticism must be constructive if Putin’s actions are useful for Russia, we support them, if we criticize harmful ones.
          1. Yarosvet
            0
            29 October 2013 11: 44
            Quote: alekseyal
            When did people live better in material terms in 90 or 2000?
            In the 90th, the majority lived better than in the 94th, and in the 99th - better than in the 94th.

            Tell me - in 08, people lived better than in 99, and if "YES", then by what criteria do you judge?

            Yeltsin complied with all the instructions of the United States and the West, while shooting parliament from tanks
            I do not see a conceptual difference between Yeltsin and Putin - give links to documents with US instructions for EBNya.

            And for the west he was good, because he acted in the interests of the west
            And I am sure that he acted solely in his own interests - on what basis are you asserting the opposite ?.

            One HEU-LEU deal
            WTO, draining territories, finishing off the BZHRK.

            As soon as Putin slowly began to take Russia out of US control
            Where is the evidence for this control?

            immediately all the media was let down on him. They started to pour mud
            Putin violated the Constitution, the newspaper wrote about it - well, that means they’re pouring mud on it ... Isn’t it funny?
            One media writes that Putin is good, another that is bad - did this screech change something? The media is cutting money on this - they have such a job.

            which are illegally enriched
            I am delighted with you - Do you know those who have enriched themselves legally?

            therefore, I joined the Great Fatherland Party
            Which is a branch of edrosov.

            But criticism must be constructive if Putin’s actions are useful for Russia, we support them, if we criticize harmful ones.
            We support, criticize - such a club of interests ...
            Tell me - violation by the guarantor of the Constitution in terms of social norms is useful or harmful to Russia? And the surrender of sovereignty? And work in the interests of the oligarchy?

            And one more question - what does your reasoning have to do with the lie that you listed in 9 points of the 22nd day?
  2. Alikovo
    +10
    28 October 2013 07: 56
    to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.
    1. +4
      28 October 2013 08: 38
      Quote: Alikovo
      to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.

      We’re doing just that. And the point? The formula has a second part too. There should be a carrot next to the whip ...
      1. 0
        29 October 2013 06: 30
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Alikovo
        to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.

        We’re doing just that. And the point? The formula has a second part too. There should be a carrot next to the whip ...

        That is, first spank, and then gingerbread? So as not to cry a lot?
    2. +2
      28 October 2013 08: 45
      They must not be beaten with a whip, but sent to Kolyma as enemies of the people.
      1. +7
        28 October 2013 08: 47
        Quote: Valkyrie
        They must not be beaten with a whip, but sent to Kolyma as enemies of the people.

        Yeah, like Vysotsky-Luck from Siberia to Siberia ...
        1. +4
          28 October 2013 08: 58
          Quote: Valkyrie
          They must not be beaten with a whip, but sent to Kolyma as enemies of the people.

          We must look for the cause and solve it, and not justification and punishment!
    3. +23
      28 October 2013 08: 53
      the one who lives on "Rublyovka" in Moscow is the most conducive to separatism. The people cannot be fooled, they see everything where all Russia's income goes, and the regions receive less money, and the province (villages) and even in the Moscow region !!! - is dying out. All young people go to Moscow! Regional separatists are the flowers, but the roots of the problem live on Rublevka.
      1. +12
        28 October 2013 10: 39
        I was lucky in my time with 2005-2009 traveled all over Russia - from Vladivostok to Baltiysk, from Derbent to Pevek. Each city, region has its own mentality, but they all agree in one place - in no place, not from a single person. I have not heard anything positive and good about Moscow - everyone has one attitude - extremely negative. In reality, we seem to have two lives: within the MKAD and outside, although there is still a third - within the garden ring.
      2. +10
        28 October 2013 10: 45
        "Regional separatists are the flowers, but the roots of the problem live on Rublevka."

        what separatists? how many I live in Siberia have not seen a single separatist. Where are they? ay ... and heal a few university idiots in a psychiatric hospital or check in connection with foreign sponsors. and this is a matter for psychiatrists and the FSB.
        I think that the problem is far-fetched. and will be decided at once, as soon as the Kremlin wants to solve it.
        that’s where the root of all the problems really is. as long as the authorities will be more pleased with all sorts of prokhorov, and not ordinary people, no problems will be solved.
      3. +7
        28 October 2013 11: 43
        Yes, the whole ruble is built on money raised from Russian blood in the Chechen conflict. That's where the main rot sits. Rot sits in the ruling elites, and not in the foolish students
      4. Yarosvet
        +1
        28 October 2013 12: 31
        Quote: Kohl
        and the roots of the problem live on "Rublyovka".

        Aha - in Novo-Ogaryovo
    4. +4
      28 October 2013 11: 25
      Not to beat, but to spoil publicly on the square for the holidays.
    5. 0
      28 October 2013 12: 28
      Quote: Alikovo
      to whip those who call to separate Siberia, the Caucasus, and the Far East from Russia.

      respected! I have a Caucasus to one place! I already wrote if it is ALL RUSSIA! why are we getting more expensive? I need to feed the DORMOEDOV! (I'd rather separate!) the attitude should be the same! and where is the equality? why Siberia and DF should feed everyone? time we are RUSSIA! alone, and not divisible! hi
      1. +3
        28 October 2013 12: 38
        I also don’t understand why the Khabarovsk Territory is the most expensive in the country, it seems not the farthest
        1. +2
          28 October 2013 12: 49
          Quote: ivshubarin
          I also don’t understand why the Khabarovsk Territory is the most expensive in the country, it seems not the farthest

          Dear Ivan! everything is in shock! like it was an article sho removed Ishaev, did the right thing! he is a pimple, we all! we even have NORTHERN but I still don’t understand how they are paid at all or NO! we are on the same parallel with Sochi and our climate is not the same as in Khbr.kr. we still have + 13 heat! and everything is more expensive! it is a fact! hi
          1. +3
            28 October 2013 12: 52
            We also have two oil refineries, an oil pipeline from Sakhalin and the most expensive gasoline in the country.
            1. +4
              28 October 2013 13: 00
              Quote: ivshubarin
              We also have two oil refineries, an oil pipeline from Sakhalin and the most expensive gasoline in the country.

              good yes you wrote it right! "shoemaker, no boots!" lol hi
        2. +3
          28 October 2013 13: 08
          "I also don't understand why the Khabarovsk Territory is the most expensive in the country, it seems not the most distant"

          Yes, your prices are wild, and your salaries are small, like ours. I looked at your Chinese market and was very surprised. everything costs 2 times more than ours. although we’ll be transported thousands of kilometers to us, and you’ll be transported across your river.
          1. +4
            28 October 2013 13: 20
            Quote: Starfish
            Yes, your prices are wild, and your salaries are small, like ours. I looked at your Chinese market and was very surprised. everything costs 2 times more than ours. although we’ll be transported thousands of kilometers to us, and you’ll be transported across your river.

            our government "loves" us so much! I departed in the seas, God forbid EVERYONE could drive so much on a car. I bought a jeep in Japan, changed three wives lol earned "hemorrhagic" lol and live right now with my parents! when it was a lot of money! but right now nothing! Yes, such are valuable! am hi
      2. +4
        28 October 2013 12: 55
        Quote: Far East
        respected! I have a Caucasus to one place!

        I and all living here have one opinion! us Caucasus to one place! and now at least for the minus one! hi
        1. +3
          28 October 2013 13: 09
          This is a fact of Caucasians, we do not have much, probably freeze
  3. Valery Neonov
    +6
    28 October 2013 07: 56
    hi One single question arises.-where is the FSB request ..., everything listed in the article is a direct threat to the security of the state.
    1. +2
      28 October 2013 08: 41
      Saw in one hand, a hacksaw in the other. And like Shura Balaganov
  4. +17
    28 October 2013 07: 57
    Siberian independence is nonsense.
    In Novosibirsk this cannot happen in principle.
    The main danger is precisely the actions of the KREMLIN HEADS — the recent transfer to foreign countries of pieces of our territory in plain sight.
    I am outraged by the fact that such actions occur quietly from the people - SO SAY APRIORI in fact.
    And this despite the fact that the transfer of territories is possible only after an approving referendum of the people. (According to the CONSTITUTION OF RUSSIA)
    And this article just takes us away from real danger.
    1. +7
      28 October 2013 08: 45
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And this article just takes us away from real danger.

      This article just raises a very serious question. Yes, Novosibirsk, Omsk and some other cities are not yet infected with this idea. And Tomsk is exactly where the nest is.
      I agree with the Kremlin’s actions. Separatism is growing where people don’t understand and do not accept them. Siberians have long been saying that their territories are used as a pantry. And they treat the same. Many who make renovations in the pantry?
      1. 0
        29 October 2013 06: 37
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        And this article just takes us away from real danger.

        This article just raises a very serious question. Yes, Novosibirsk, Omsk and some other cities are not yet infected with this idea. And Tomsk is exactly where the nest is.
        I agree with the Kremlin’s actions. Separatism is growing where people don’t understand and do not accept them. Siberians have long been saying that their territories are used as a pantry. And they treat the same. Many who make renovations in the pantry?


        They usually put it in the pantry ... And from this they take it ...
    2. +7
      28 October 2013 08: 46
      Restore the death penalty for squandering Russian lands and calls for separatism. The separatists only think about stuffing their pockets, they don’t give a damn about the people of the same Siberia, but you can beat the natives to it, tell them tales of a beautiful life. We friends have already passed this in the nineties. Still trying to get out of this shit. But Europeans and states are just waiting for this, how to separate a tidbit from Russia, they add fuel to the fire.
  5. +5
    28 October 2013 07: 57
    Statement made not from scratch. In the east, the local press is actively discussing the theme of separatism. At full speed, studies are being conducted on the possibility of creating a separate Siberian state, economic prospects are being calculated - on paper they are radiant

    However, the author does not cite any links!
    Here are articles like this one written "not from scratch"is precisely the fuel for the separatists, artificially fueling interest in this long-dead topic.
    Article minus.
    1. +6
      28 October 2013 08: 51
      Alexey, the author simply did not indicate a specific city. He will have to do it for him. Tomsk is the primary breeding ground for the ideas of separatism in Siberia. They really take the idea of ​​separation seriously and have a fairly strong layer of intellectuals who perceive this idea everywhere.
      1. 0
        28 October 2013 08: 54
        domokl-a more detailed information is available (please) -who where and when promotes the infection of separatism.
        1. +2
          28 October 2013 09: 06
          About two or three months ago, an appeal was published here on the website, or rather, a programmatic statement by the separatists. Rummage in the archive, be sure to find it. Or go to the official website of Tomsk in the section of mind.
          1. +4
            28 October 2013 13: 40
            I think that giving out the opinion of marginals as a broad trend, this means contributing to these very marginals to promote their ideas.
            I do not think that the majority of Tomsk residents are stupid people.
            For only a distant person can hope for the independence of Siberia after its separation from Russia.
            In general, the most dangerous time for the integrity of Russia is already behind us, and the remaining danger is not posed by the inhabitants of Siberia, but by the national republics.
            Which really needs to be eliminated. hi
  6. Guun
    +6
    28 October 2013 07: 57
    It’s necessary to cut it in the bud - softness in such topics is not appropriate, it is necessary to show by example what will happen to those who want to fragment the country (not only Russia, any country.) We have gone through independence - 90 - 00 years. We don’t need that anymore.
  7. 0
    28 October 2013 07: 57
    It is time now for these cutters to ward ourselves off from a good life so that others are not in the habit. Their ears are from a dead donkey, not Siberia. stop
  8. +1
    28 October 2013 07: 58
    So far, this is just a flinging of information so that people get used to it, think about the very idea of ​​separation. Unfortunately, many see it as attractive. I once read an interview with an ardent Siberian, where he said that subsidies and preferences in Russia go only to representatives of non-titular peoples. We call ourselves Siberians and (for starters) we will get money from Moscow.
  9. +3
    28 October 2013 07: 58
    The first martyr of this idea was the Governor of Siberia Matvey GagarinIt was such a direct martyr that the gold acquired by back-breaking labor (and in terrible torments of conscience, probably) is still being sought ...
  10. +7
    28 October 2013 07: 59
    Who calls for this should be dismembered and let them see how their bodies work separately
    1. kavkaz8888
      0
      28 October 2013 10: 30
      I liked about the "organs separately". Very brief and intelligible.
  11. +6
    28 October 2013 08: 00
    Yes, any person, group of people and even ethnic group has the right to self-determination. But without a single square centimeter of Russian territory: I do not like it - they left.

    That is right. Who wants to self-determination, bring down from Russia.
    As in the song, "We do not want an inch of someone else's land, but we will not give up our own inch either!"
  12. +16
    28 October 2013 08: 01
    I live just in Siberia, Irkutsk. At the expense of Moscow’s dislike, to some extent it is true, but no more than in other regions, for everything that exists throughout Russia is raking everything into Moscow, but the separation of Siberia from Russia is already insanity.
  13. makarov
    +6
    28 October 2013 08: 06
    "In the east of the country, the local press is actively discussing the topic of separatism. Studies are in full swing on the possibility of creating a separate Siberian state, economic prospects are being calculated - on paper they are radiant ..."

    Power (bureaucracy that feeds locally from posts) is not a people. And to speak, and to affirm (even with pseudo-calculations) is to show your stupidity.
    Remember the words of PETER: - prohibit reading in writing, so that the stupidity of everyone was visible !!!
    1. +5
      28 October 2013 09: 36
      The trouble is that the government does not listen to the people (or does not hear, and does not want to hear!). Who remembers the referendum on the preservation of the USSR? The vast majority of Ukrainians (about 82%) voted to preserve the USSR. So what?
      Even in the Baltic states, then the majority voted to preserve!
      I think that nationalists are not a people either ...
      Yes, and Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk were not people either ...
      So you don’t have to wait, but chop any creeps on the vine !!!
      1. Yarosvet
        0
        28 October 2013 12: 40
        Quote: Hyppopotut
        So you don’t have to wait, but chop any creeps on the vine !!!

        Without action beyond the control of the Society of Power, no division is possible - to whom will we cut the creeps?
  14. +8
    28 October 2013 08: 06
    Quote: feanor
    but the separation of Siberia from Russia is already insanity.

    I agree. Criminal responsibility for such ideas is simply necessary. And deal with the end!
    1. +4
      28 October 2013 08: 44
      Better endlessly and without Faberge
  15. +2
    28 October 2013 08: 07
    Smoke without fire does not happen .. It is necessary to stop all this nonsense at the root and I think very harshly!
    1. +1
      28 October 2013 10: 19
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is no smoke without fire ..


      Indeed, there is no smoke without fire. The article shows that the ideas of separatism are activated in difficult times for the country, in the era of revolutions, unsuccessful wars, crises. And if it is true that in our time there is an upsurge of separatism, then to whom do we owe this? Isn't that who has been in power in the country since 2000? You can speak as many wonderful speeches as you like at Valdai and other forums, but you need to evaluate the politician’s activity not by his beautiful words and declarations, but by his deeds and results.
      (How wonderful Gorbachev spoke at one time. And what is the result?)
  16. Backfire
    -13
    28 October 2013 08: 10
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    One single question arises, where is the FSB ..., all of the direct threats to state security listed in the article.

    In the same place where the KGB was in 1990-1991
    1. Kolovrat77
      +3
      28 October 2013 09: 09
      Wow, your fear straightens out, even your head has passed. Do you have the new American superhero PIDERMEN in the picture? hat, a hat to him new paint on from Abama.
  17. +3
    28 October 2013 08: 14
    What does the draftsman think of this? Did you draw the red lines and calm down? Again he will say "nonsense" and that's it. Maybe we should not be afraid, but be proud that they can compare with Stalin? And finally to begin decisive actions to strengthen the state.
  18. +12
    28 October 2013 08: 25
    I read the article and I had the impression that she was 15 years late. But I read it to this place
    At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are those “red lines” that no one should go for. I would like to believe that these words will be followed by appropriate decisions.
    and everything became clear.
    Again, the guards of a luminous and non-alternative one suck the problem out of the finger, artificially inflate it if necessary, and then smash it with a dashing cavalry attack.
    This is of course easier than doing the real thing. It is easier than stopping illegal migration and curbing Caucasian lawlessness, which is often the cause of dissatisfaction with Moscow’s policies. And it’s much easier than giving the regions not empty talk about responsibility for everything and everyone, but real finances, leverage and development opportunities. But then it will be necessary to limit imperious imperious appetites, and this is unacceptable for those in power.
    If in the 13th year of permanent government of the GDP we have to talk about separatism, then this is either the next PR campaign of the Great or a real cant of the current system of power. In any case, the responsibility is on the authorities, and not on the State Department, the fifth column and local separatists.
    students designed the economy of Siberia, which separated from Russia and became an independent state. Of course - prosperous. They say that considerable grants were received from across the ocean for this project. The case is far from an isolated one.

    What did you think? If the government spends money on expensive toys, summits, olympiads, world championships and other entertainment events, it no longer has the means and time for its youth. And our opponents will not spare money. But the most infamous thing is that this government is trying to use it in its own interests. Not in the interests of the state, but with the goal of strengthening its lack of alternative and irreplaceability.
    1. Yarosvet
      +4
      28 October 2013 13: 16
      Quote: Normal
      I read the article and I had the impression that she was 15 years late. But I read it to this place
      At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are the “red lines” that no one should go for
      and everything became clear.

      What is funny - these statements were made after the transfer of the lion's share of the legal field of the economy to the WTO jurisdiction, that is, after the unreasonable surrender of a significant part of the country's sovereignty.

      Moreover, the surrender itself occurred in violation of Part 1 of Article 4, Part 1 of Article 68, Part 2 of Article 80 of the Constitution, paragraphs 1 and 5 of Article 3 of the Federal Law "On the State Language of the Russian Federation" and Part 1 of Article 11 of the Law of the Russian Federation "On the Languages ​​of the Peoples of the Russian Federation".
      1. +4
        28 October 2013 14: 05
        Quote: Yarosvet
        What is funny - these statements were made after the transfer of the lion's share of the legal field of the economy to the WTO jurisdiction, that is, after the unreasonable surrender of a significant part of the country's sovereignty.

        Yes, everything is "normal", Yarosvet. Simply, in order not to take away everything acquired by "backbreaking work" and stored in no way in Russia, it is necessary to give a share to the superiors. They give the sovereign's share in exchange for the opportunity to show off in foreign policy (they say, you yourself understand; so that the people do not get excited, you need to give them the appearance of opposition to the West)
        But the main principle remains unshakable:
        "This is OUR cow and WE milk it!"
        Share - agree, and give the nurse - never! Especially suckers, I'm sorry, the population.
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Moreover, the surrender occurred in violation of Part 1 of Article 4, Part 1 of Article 68, Part 2 of Article 80 of the Constitution ....

        Who read the Constitution? Moreover, who understood what was read? Is it possible to pay for the blessings of this life with paper on which the text of the constitution is printed? A paper with portraits of US presidents can pay. Well, and what paper is more important for our government?
        1. Yarosvet
          +5
          28 October 2013 16: 15
          Quote: Normal
          Well, and what paper is more important for our government?
  19. vladsolo56
    +11
    28 October 2013 08: 27
    When material gain and nothing more are put at the forefront, such concepts as the Motherland and the traditions of the ancestors are generally forgotten. I noticed that the basis for separatism is primarily material gain. People alone are not told that ordinary people never win anything. Someone needs power, power independent of the center, not limited by any rules and laws. That's just for the sake of such vile ideologists and started talking all about separation
  20. -2
    28 October 2013 08: 27
    Che you hi raised ??? Go on a red heresy, designed for free ears. An article is more like a slogan than an article. Russia will not give offense, not those times. Chechnya tried to break away, so what? Once a week, the Chechen chief, with reports, arrives in the IAAAskvu. Georgia!!!!! I wanted to have a bit of territory, How did it end? angry Voooooot !!!!! And then you lit a panic on board))))) stop
  21. +9
    28 October 2013 08: 29
    Remember the very beginning of 90's. Then many newspapers discussed the topic of Siberia and the Far East. Divide them into seven states and sell the United States. And in my opinion, M. Albright gave an interview on this topic. That's where the ears grow and the Americans and the impudent people will not calm down yet they will not perish or they will not bury us
  22. DNX1970
    +2
    28 October 2013 08: 34
    The Great Finno-Ugoria was especially pleased ...
    1. 0
      28 October 2013 14: 21
      Quote: DNX1970
      The Great Finno-Ugoria was especially pleased ...

      Yeah, there are three unique nations: Finno-Ugric, Tatar-Mongols and Chukchi-Swahil.
    2. +1
      28 October 2013 15: 36
      Well, probably it was meant ... Northwest of the European part of Russia. (Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Vologda Oblast-partially, Karelia). And there’s nothing wrong with that. True, it was quite a long time ago more than 500 years ago. Now everyone lives here, and the local population uses Russian as the main language and considers it native.
      1. New Russia
        0
        28 October 2013 16: 01
        Quote: fan_
        Now everyone lives here, and the local population uses Russian as the main language and considers it native.


        Of course he considers his family, because now no one lives there, but still Russian people)
        1. +4
          28 October 2013 16: 35
          The indigenous population predominates ... considering himself Russian. But if you raise the statistics directories another 140-150 years ago during the population census in the Olonets province, for example, many considered themselves Finnish by nationality (this is now part of Karelia and part of the current archaeological area).
        2. 0
          28 October 2013 16: 38
          I see nothing wrong with that. Because I believe that the Russians (and not the Slavs). Russians are a community of all peoples living in Russia. Everything true is written, This and (I will list the main ones) Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples and Turks. You can only be proud of this. But the Russian language unites, not Old Slavic, but Russian absorbing the words ... of all these peoples. Therefore, the Old Slavonic language seems a little incomprehensible to us.
          1. New Russia
            +2
            28 October 2013 17: 02
            Quote: fan_
            Russians are a community of all peoples living in Russia.
            So it was in the 10th century, from which came the word Russian as an adjective.

            Quote: fan_
            Slavs and Finno-Ugrians and Turks.

            Show me a Turk, even a Tatar who considers himself Russian. Especially Caucasian. Only white or half-breed can be Russian. Russian is not a broth that can be diluted with any dung ... There is no Turkic blood in Russians, which refutes the Mongol yoke, and that according to Putin you will find a Russian Tatar rubbed, he probably meant himself)
            1. 0
              28 October 2013 17: 14
              Quote: New Russia
              So it was in the 10th century, from which came the word Russian as an adjective.

              Russian is an adjective, because a person is attached to the word, but if a nation is a noun, then a person is not attached to the word, so it’s a separate kind.
            2. 0
              28 October 2013 17: 15
              1. Find a map of the 10th century and see who lived where on what lands. And Finno-Ugric will find there.
              2. About the Turkic peoples, in the Russian language a huge number of Turkic words have passed into the Russian language.
              3. About IGO, I did not write a single word ... why it is unknown. He did not write about the fact that the population was completely mixed up. About where they used to live there and live, that Finno-Ugric, that the Türks. Neither about the IGO nor about the Battle of Kulikovo ... it’s not known where it took place, but very similar to the civil war or the division of spheres of influence ... who did not collect taxes did not write the same.

              Well, you see just purebred RUSSIAN. with which I congratulate you.!
              1. New Russia
                0
                28 October 2013 17: 46
                I am not a purebred Russian, but half (father is Ukrainian but this does not count), in the ancestors there are Udmurts and Tatars, but these are Bulgars and not Turks)
                Quote: fan_
                About IGO, I did not write a single word ... why it is unknown.

                Just by the way)
            3. 0
              28 October 2013 17: 41
              Well, About the Caucasus, he was annexed to Russia last 150 years ago. A little more time has passed.
              1. 0
                28 October 2013 18: 17
                Well, the Bulgars also belong to the Turkic group.
      2. 0
        1 November 2013 09: 19
        Quote: fan_
        . Now everyone lives here, and the local population uses Russian as the main language and considers it native.

        I will probably surprise you, but the way it is. We even have Vietnamese swearing lol
        1. 0
          1 November 2013 11: 30
          Where exactly is it with you? There are almost no Vietnamese left in our area, before everyone in the markets lived about 10 years ago.
  23. +6
    28 October 2013 08: 35
    in Irkutsk - state, mind you - the university has a “Siberian-American” faculty. Not “Russian-American”, namely “Siberian-”
    To get acquainted with the teachers of this faculty. And where is so much shit in the country ??? No words, some epithets are born in the head! It is necessary to punish these American residents a couple of times, so that henceforth no one would even think about such things. SO, even to think about separating any region from] Russia was scary!
  24. +6
    28 October 2013 08: 50
    "At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are those" red lines "beyond which no one can go."

    Well, as the saying goes: "It's time to use the power." And give naughty hands. "And work on the mistakes."
    Unfortunately, this is facilitated by the central government itself. Moscow has already become like a state in a state. All the more or less large organizations, even if enterprises in the regions are registered in Moscow. And she, without even wanting to herself, will suck out finances from the regions. And only what Putin wants to give back.
    I often travel in the Moscow direction. Traffic jams and congestion even a hundred kilometers away from it on Fridays from Moscow, and on Sundays to Moscow have already become commonplace. You don’t even have to talk about electric trains there. You don’t get bumped every day. For the same Indeed, in Moscow they get 1.5–2 times more work, but somewhere you simply can’t find it.
    So the situation is happening, as we say: "Ryazan salaries, Moscow prices."
    1. +7
      28 October 2013 09: 42
      And I live 130km from Moscow. Public sector employees get 8 times less than in the main throne !!! And since it takes 2-3 hours to reach the capital, hospitals without nurses, paramedics, with an acute shortage of doctors; schools - without teachers, kindergartens - without teachers ...
      1. +4
        28 October 2013 09: 46
        This also surprises me, it seems that the work is the same, but the salary is different at times. They’ve got particularly difficult conditions in Moscow.
        1. +5
          28 October 2013 09: 59
          [quote = ivshubarin] This also surprises me, like the work is the same, but the salary is different at times.
          No wonder, capitalism's harsh law. Finance is there. And all over Russia - "superfluous" people.
        2. +4
          28 October 2013 10: 27
          Quote: ivshubarin
          They’ve got particularly difficult conditions in Moscow.

          it's just that the metropolis has long since "determined itself" ... without unnecessary noise and dust ... the country has practically implemented the formula "Moscow + the rest of Russia" ...
          the president and the government are in Moscow, the parliament is in Moscow, all ministries and departments are in Moscow, the Central Bank, Sberbank and all the largest banks are in Moscow ...
          and what about the "rest of Russia"? ... right ... only raw materials and labor resources for the voracious metropolis ...
        3. +2
          28 October 2013 11: 49
          it's time to clean the capital from parasites
  25. +2
    28 October 2013 09: 00
    Kind! Well, such propagandists need to be identified, and isolated in places not so remote, these calls are in no way a threat to the national security! And the second, in addition to capturing, it is necessary to pursue a serious domestic policy so that it does not happen that these dismemberment is not wanted by provocateurs from abroad but whole nations !!! Have a nice day!
  26. +5
    28 October 2013 09: 06
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    I often travel in the Moscow direction. Traffic jams and congestion even a hundred kilometers away from it on Fridays from Moscow, and on Sundays to Moscow have already become commonplace. You don’t even have to talk about electric trains there. You don’t get bumped every day. For the same Indeed, in Moscow they get 1.5–2 times more work, but somewhere you simply can’t find it.
    So the situation is happening, as we say: "Ryazan salaries, Moscow prices."

    can Muscovite separate from Russia, and the deal with the end? belay
    1. +3
      28 October 2013 09: 50
      Quote: RBLip
      can Muscovite separate from Russia, and the deal with the end? belay

      Then there will be no one to deal with sadomasochism. Every day to go to work in Moscow.wink
      1. +1
        28 October 2013 10: 10
        The point is not in Muskva, but in those leaders who sit there and determine economic policy. If they are transferred to city N, what will change? The only change is that everyone will go to work in N. to earn money. But for Russia as a whole, nothing will change.
        1. +2
          28 October 2013 10: 20
          We will rebuild the city N to the level of Moscow and again we will transfer the capital until we raise all the cities
          1. +2
            28 October 2013 10: 36
            Quote: ivshubarin
            We rebuild the city N to the level of Moscow

            I suggest moving the capital every two weeks. wink
            1. 0
              28 October 2013 10: 38
              And what will we build in two weeks
              1. +2
                28 October 2013 11: 27
                First of all, in Ryazan we will build a fortress wall in the Kremlin. This will restore historical injustice from the annexation of the Ryazan principality to Muscovy. And then the bastards, the Moscow princes tore to the ground. They were afraid, however, that we would fence ourselves off with barbed wire and create the Great Horde with the Tatars .. wink
                1. Kolovrat77
                  +1
                  28 October 2013 11: 50
                  And also Ryazan, Vladimir ruined, it is necessary to take revenge, we will collect army and ayda. wink
        2. +4
          28 October 2013 10: 43
          Quote: alebor
          The point is not in Maskva, but in those leaders who sit there and determine economic policy. If they are transferred to city N, what will change?

          no really. Moscow is separated with the leadership wink
    2. kavkaz8888
      +5
      28 October 2013 10: 57
      And the capital to urgently move to Omsk.
  27. +7
    28 October 2013 09: 07
    Separatism appears where the central government is weak and corroded by corruption, where there is no wisdom in governing the state, where laws are adopted either in favor of lobbying groups or in a "hangover stupor", and then they are rewritten 10 times, but still they remain toxic, as alcoholic exhaust. If 20% of the population of a huge country lives in one city, where 85% of the country's financial resources flow, then what kind of healthy domestic policy can we talk about? Dissatisfaction in the regions will grow and, if tough measures are not taken, it will grow into major separatist demonstrations. A powerful blow to separatism could be the transfer of the capital, for example, to Yekaterinburg or Perm, or even, following the example of the Germans and Kazakhs, to build a very small capital city like Bonn or Astana somewhere in the Urals. This could kill 4 birds with one stone. Firstly, Moscow is already annoying not only the provinces, but also the Muscovites themselves, and secondly, only real professionals and politicians will go to the Urals to work in the government and parliament, the husk will remain in the capital. Thirdly, it will give an impetus to the development of the Eastern regions, where there are resources, but no population and finances. Fourthly, the capital will find itself in the depths of Russia and many regions will no longer be considered remote, the imbalance in development will be leveled. In addition, for this action, it will be possible to reshape the country's administrative map, eliminating the local freemen of nationals and compradors. then you can forget about separatism for a long time.
  28. +1
    28 October 2013 09: 19
    If we don’t stop talking with the liberals, we’ll fall apart to the joy of mattresses. Where is the FSB, where are the cops in the end. Where are the landings and night arrests? Russia is an empire in any way, and like any empire, under liberalism it rots and falls apart. Only power.
  29. +2
    28 October 2013 09: 20
    If someone doesn’t try to bite off a piece from Russia under the flag of “self-determination,” and at least calls for it, let him set out to escort Mother Siberia under escort. It is large, there is enough room for everyone: the Turkic separatists, and the Caucasian, and all others
    - say, do not unload KamAZ cement in bags (alone). What is real, it is proposed to do?
  30. GAYDUK5
    +1
    28 October 2013 09: 22
    Once Prokhorov was asked about billions, earned to speak, good boy. With all due respect to VVP, a man with a capital letter, the oligarchy, he still could not "defeat". And these live on the principle of play off, divide and rule.
    1. +9
      28 October 2013 10: 53
      Quote: GAYDUK5
      With all due respect to GDP, a person with a capital letter

      Well, so the name and surnames are capitalized
      Quote: GAYDUK5
      he still could not "defeat" the oligarchy.

      GDP just right sits down for work "my struggle" in collaboration with Veksel .., Rother .., and other bergs, where did you see the struggle, on TV ?, so this is staff rotation of disloyal to approximate, moreover, in greater numbers
      in my opinion, such problems are allowed to grow in order to show the "struggle" and indispensability - the only one who saves the country from collapse, and all that was necessary for this rector - one call, from where it is necessary with a hint that his university will be quarantined from bird flu, and he himself will go to graze pigs, and the rector turns into a fiery fighter and denouncer of such ideas
      1. +3
        28 October 2013 10: 57
        A significant indicator is SERDYUKOV-while he is free all talk of corruption is empty.
        I do not think that the GDP will decide to plant it.
        1. New Russia
          -3
          28 October 2013 11: 12
          Here they will minus you, and they will start higher now, but they will not be able to answer anything, it has already been checked more than once) Get ready to hear "He just does not see positive changes" and "Serdyukov is not allowed to be imprisoned, listen to Deputy Fedorov")
  31. +2
    28 October 2013 09: 27
    Separatism is definitely bad (and you have to punish it. Better yet, show an example: to separate the legs from the body and ask how it is). But you, dear ones, do not forget about the fact that thoughts about him do not come from a good life. hi
  32. +2
    28 October 2013 09: 42
    Quote: rpek32
    But you, dear ones, do not forget about the fact that thoughts about him do not come from a good life.

    From a bad life?
    Separatism is not at all a purely Russian problem. Separatist movements exist in the UK, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Germany, Canada, India, China, Iran, Turkey, and many African countries. Separatism is not directly related to the standard of living. He is in poor countries (like the Philippines or Nigeria), and in quite prosperous ones.
  33. +5
    28 October 2013 09: 47
    If the body does not have immunity, any infection can destroy it.
    Surgery, in the form of the work of the FSB and the tightening of punishment for calls for separation, is already when the body goes to hospital. That’s all, land.
    Basically, IMHO, the social base of separatism is youth. We have three or four generations of "Gorby and EBN chicks". These are generations without knowledge of their history, without understanding who they are, without a sense of the Motherland. Let me exaggerate a little. However, I think this is the main threat to the body.
    So far, I do not see a clear and unified awareness at the highest level - who we are and why Russia exists? There is only an emerging movement.
    When awareness comes, the country will have a dynamic of development, there will be success and victory. There will be education and, hopefully, upbringing.
    And then there will be no need to deal with rotten surgery.
    1. +1
      28 October 2013 10: 05
      Quote: BigRiver
      penalties for calls for separation

      and there is no punishment for this, which is interesting (I mean the article of the Russian Federation)
      1. 0
        28 October 2013 10: 42
        Quote: rpek32
        ... but there is no punishment for this, which is interesting (I mean the article of the Russian Federation)

        Sorry, put it wrong No.
        Read the "introduction".
  34. +3
    28 October 2013 09: 50
    And "Free Siberia" is not by any chance afraid that the People's Liberation Army of China is at its side? And that at the first opportunity it will "free" them from their heads? What's the use? Well, you will change the Moscow masters to the Peking ones, here I am sure that China will not miss such a chance. Yes, and that in Siberia they think that only they are dissatisfied with the current government? Oh, something, but to kick and wipe your feet on the current government as much as you want, and she deserves it, but should the self-styled thinkers, who is better to obey the idiots from hated Moscow, who really cannot do anything, or the occupying Chinese administration, which for non-fulfillment of its demands will simply blow your head off and find another?
  35. +2
    28 October 2013 09: 53
    Yes, put on a stake, and show on all TV channels - so that it was not disagreeable to others!
    1. VI Kacheev
      -5
      28 October 2013 10: 10
      Quote: DIMented
      Yes, put on a stake, and show on all TV channels - so that it was not disagreeable to others!

      Or maybe you need a stake ?!
      It so happened in life that to me, a 63-year-old engineer and inventor (2011 patents: the bullet - 2464416RU - has not changed for more than 130 years, the unitary cartridge with a composite sleeve - 2486438RU), i.e. "Techie", and have to participate in public life.
      About me: by birth - Siberian. But in life I had to live in the Urals and in Tatarstan. The name inherited from the parents is Vasily Ivanovich KACHEEV. There is also Upper KACHEEVO and Lower KACHEEVO in the present Tatarstan. I don’t know about how my grandfather, from present Tatarstan, and my grandmother, from Rasei, met in Siberia, therefore, without comment.
      I suggest that the audience strain their brains a bit and try to comprehend a different history of our country, which is different from that presented by the Muscovites, supposedly the rulers of Russia, while now Russia is a US colony.
      But, according to the map of the 18th century, which is in the British Encyclopedia, there is the Muscovite kingdom (Muscovy), as well as Great Tartaria, which occupies the territory of present Siberia and parts of present China. By the way, I note that when Kiev was already Stolnoy Grad - among other cities: Ryazan, Rostov, Smolensk and others - in the place of today's Moscow there were dense forests.
      For all my 63 years I have not seen anything from the Muscovites, except for nasty things - in Soviet times there was a “temporary” REGULAR price increases for everything, including food! Now all the money is in Moscow! In Muscovy, they steal most of all from the general budget — I won’t talk about Serdyukov and his thieves' harem.
      Why do not I support the separation of Muscovy from ALL RUSSIA?
      Siberia, as a colony of Muscovy and the USA has no prospects !!!
      The Chinese also do not need Siberians !!!
      What conclusions do Siberians make :!
      1. +2
        28 October 2013 10: 30
        And you decided to separate from Ryazan? We're in Muscovy. There is no money here either. And my mother is Siberian. And I have big relatives there. Probably, you will introduce dual citizenship? Or an "iron" curtain?
        Do not expect. Russia has been, is and will be united. Despite your desire.
        I am for criminal responsibility for calling for the collapse of Russia.
      2. explorer
        0
        28 October 2013 10: 32
        It is understandable - around ENEMIES !! belay
        1. VI Kacheev
          -1
          28 October 2013 10: 56
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          And you decided to separate from Ryazan? We're in Muscovy. There is no money here either. And my mother is Siberian. And I have big relatives there. Probably, you will introduce dual citizenship? Or an "iron" curtain?
          Do not expect. Russia has been, is and will be united. Despite your desire.

          Quote: explorer
          It is understandable - around ENEMIES !!

          Are you, whose quotes I quoted above, by malice, or by thoughtlessness, trying to distort the meaning of my proposal?
          Я propose Muscovy AS THE MAJOR Ghoul OF RUSSIA, separate from Russia.
          If everything is normal with your intellect, then you SHOULD understand the SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE !!!
          1. -2
            28 October 2013 19: 03
            Kacheev says the matter. Why not really separate Moscow from Russia?
      3. +1
        28 October 2013 15: 08
        To begin with, I didn’t poke anyone. So, for you I am you!
        Stories about grandfather and grandmother, but about patents can be left for relatives, they have nothing to do with it. No matter what the memories of the 18th century, the 16th, etc. And for 2 thousand years, in general, individual tribes fled and fought with everyone. So what? Need to go back there?
        If by the age of 63 a person has not learned to understand anything in public life, then I will explain that separation and separation will not benefit anyone. Only! About the enemies. (Remember the year 91 and the collapse of the Union is better) That’s the number of enemies!
      4. cayman
        +1
        28 October 2013 21: 11

        Vasily Ivanovich KACHEEV
        Yes, no, he shouldn’t be counted, but you of an old crazy Russophobe. Take a look at how blown up, how overwhelmed you! Why did you get to this site? Who are you? You are not an engineer, inventor for us, and we don’t have to give us your patents. You are our worst enemy to the Russian people, worse than the Nazis, Islamic extremists, Jewish Zionists combined, because you are formally (according to the “passport”) assigned to our people and therefore not everyone immediately recognizes you as a reptile. Any enemy from non-Russians (even foreign, even homegrown) is an open enemy and therefore we are almost always ready to catch the blow. And such creatures like you, poison the national organism from within and crawl out into the light of day, casting off their masks, only when the nation is already extremely exhausted. You’re here so brave or arrogant (you have indicated your name and shake your patents) because you know: in the Kremlin, actual patrons of your kind have nested.
        But remember, the 63-year-old Russophobe is a separatist, power is not eternal. Everything flows and everything changes very quickly. And although it will seem incredible to you, but I think you are "gulchaty" Russophobic, you hurried to open your face. As Chairman Mao said: "out of a great mess, a great order will certainly arise." So when in Russia a big mess ends up and a BIG ORDER is established, you will not be put on a count - you will simply be hanged as an enemy of the people and a traitor to the Motherland, as your brothers Vlasov and policemen once hung. Although you are already 63 (as you say), nevertheless, do not die by your death. Wait! Not long already.
  36. +1
    28 October 2013 09: 57
    in the meantime:
    http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=rbcdaily.ru%2Fsociety%2F562949989368312&
    lang = ru & lr = 14
    1. +6
      28 October 2013 10: 10
      Quote: rpek32
      in the meantime:

      Meanwhile, the first result was summed up with the limitation of electricity in several regions of Russia. I saw it yesterday. People begin to hide electric kettles. Luxury. Where is nanochubais with cheap electricity. On the rails like EBN, he did not promise to go to bed, but still.
      Meanwhile, in the Far East, officials believe the house destroyed by 75% is possible for restoration.
      We go to the experience of "civilization" in the West. In an interview I heard that in Germany some people do not flush the toilet every time to save water. We have experiments on the people with gas and water ahead.
      Sometimes it seems that the authorities are deliberately looking for the border of the people's indignation after which a "riot" may begin.
      1. +1
        28 October 2013 11: 33
        I saw yesterday. on the first channel. the rulers bend us lower and lower am
      2. 0
        28 October 2013 19: 07
        Xie. belay Can I read a reference?
  37. +3
    28 October 2013 10: 01
    In the early 90s, when I was still serving in the Urals, I even remember a referendum on the creation of the Ural Republic (Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk and Perm), then "it did not work," but it seems that the rascals did not calm down. For calling for the collapse of the State, one must burn out such thoughts with a red-hot iron, and letting me in later will be accused of cruelty.
  38. +1
    28 October 2013 10: 03
    HZ I live in Siberia about separatism I have not heard request
    1. +5
      28 October 2013 10: 20
      Also a northerner, of course this is all a fairy tale about the separation of Siberia, but if we let us separate, then we here with such hucksters as Prokhorov will work only for heating)))
  39. 0
    28 October 2013 10: 15
    Prokhorov, well, such a pancake, how generally a hand rises for this huckster to put a tick.
  40. 3935333
    +4
    28 October 2013 10: 23
    Siberia looks, other regions watch how Caucasian princelings are fed from their taxes, ordinary Russian people watch what Caucasian children (who have never worked) ride, look and see, and then think ... and the not very beautiful genre of the central government begins, like usually through the local media, through eternally hungry students. But!!! the fact that the industry of the Urals and Siberia, as well as the Far East, is already limping on both legs, the fact that scientific centers (Novosibirsk) are fading away - but Dima and Vova are investing money in Western projects like Skolkovo, although it would be better to invest in Novosib and Sarov. And believe me - Prokhorov is still an individual - in the next presidential elections, candidate number 1, and he has already begun his campaign! and very much at the right time for itself ... the crisis, however, began to torment Mother Russia, and not only economic, but also social.
    1. +2
      28 October 2013 12: 18
      We will not feed Moscow, Moscow will not feed the Caucasus what the Holodomor is
      1. New Russia
        +1
        28 October 2013 12: 28
        They are so happy to separate Moscow and make it the capital of an independent Chechen-Dagestan-Hushetia, and they have no relation to normal Russia for a long time.
  41. Wolverine67
    +3
    28 October 2013 10: 23
    Quote: INTER

    For the development of the country, including remote areas, you need to build a capital in the middle of the country. Thus, Moscow will unload, just as Peter and the east will develop!


    ..... I support with two hands the capital in Novosib (although I myself am from Krasnoyarsk) but there are also flat places where there is much to expand and the potential is great, still the scientific capital of Siberia and the people are good !!!
    1. +8
      28 October 2013 10: 51
      "I support the capital in Novosib with both hands (although I myself am from Krasnoyarsk)"

      and why did you decide to award Novosibirsk with this metropolitan foam? laughing
      You don’t have to transfer anything anywhere. it is necessary to transfer any scum from Moscow. whom in prison, whom to return home, whom to send, etc. and then Moscow will again become the heart of Russia, a beloved people, as it has been for centuries
      1. +2
        28 October 2013 11: 41
        Starfish, I support you with both hands.
        What if there were cockroaches in the house, or what worse rats are, so to burn or throw the house and dump it in another? We need to talk about how the overgrown embezzlers with thieves and other liberal-blue rubbish, if not removed from the capital, then called to account in an effective way, so that they don’t think so, then it will be possible to restore order. And Moscow has stood for centuries with its glorious history and holy ancient temples and, God forbid, it will stand idle for more than one century, millions of lives have been laid for it, so that now they can pour it on their own mud!
      2. 0
        28 October 2013 13: 12
        Novosibirsk against the capital. why do we need hemorrhoids. on url to yekaterinburg. they sleep there and see it!
        1. +4
          28 October 2013 13: 16
          Quote: Oberst_71
          Novosibirsk against the capital. why do we need hemorrhoids. on url to yekaterinburg. they sleep there and see it!

          I can reassure Moscow, dreams in Yekaterinburg are NORMAL, human. One request to the "Muscovites" - do not meddle with us WITH YOUR PROBLEMS and REPRESENTATIVES, solve them at home ...
  42. +1
    28 October 2013 10: 23
    I liked the article! +
  43. +2
    28 October 2013 10: 24
    And I'll tell you what the problem is. Flabby political "elites" who cannot see beyond their own noses and continue to stuff their belly is one thing. But the fact that since the collapse of the USSR to this day our state security clicks with its beak - this is really a disaster. How is it that in our country in Siberia there is an active activity of Western propagandists who sway the mood of separatism and poison the minds of young people? Now you can't blame this connivance and incompetence on the chaos of the 90s.

    I admit that I may not know some additional dimension of this problem and pitfalls, but it all looks exactly as I described.
  44. +2
    28 October 2013 10: 32
    It is one thing to tell jokes in the smoking room, another to carry out political activity, which, in fact, is unconstitutional. Here Stalin does not need to; it is necessary to ensure constitutional order anywhere in the country. And, Prokhorov, human rights grants and their goblins to the jail, - "Defend Democracy From Shitcrats".
  45. +1
    28 October 2013 10: 39
    Separatists to separate abroad.
  46. +1
    28 October 2013 10: 48
    Separate the separatists while cleansed of dirty thoughts! Best with a saw and an ax in hand.
  47. +7
    28 October 2013 10: 52
    If you separate, they gnaw and do not choke, only lick!
  48. Dengue
    +3
    28 October 2013 10: 55
    Quote: V. I. Kacheev
    Or maybe you need a stake?! It so happened in life that I, a 63-year-old engineer and inventor (2011 patents: bullet - 2464416RU - have not changed for more than 130 years, a unitary cartridge with a composite sleeve - 2486438RU), t, e. "Techie", and have to participate in public life. About myself: by birth - Siberian. But in life I had to live in the Urals and in Tatarstan. The name inherited from the parents is Vasily Ivanovich KACHEEV. There is also Upper KACHEEVO and Lower KACHEEVO in the present Tatarstan. I don’t know about how my grandfather, from present Tataria, and my grandmother, from Rasei, met in Siberia - therefore, without comment. I suggest that the audience strain their brains a bit and try to comprehend a different history of our country, which differs from that presented Muscovites, supposedly the rulers of Russia, while now Russia is a US colony. But, according to the map of the 18th century, which is in the British Encyclopedia, there is the Moscow kingdom (Muscovy), as well as Great Tartaria, which occupies the territory of present Siberia, and parts of present-day China. By the way, I note that when Kiev was already Stolnoy Grad - among other cities: Ryazan, Rostov, Smolensk and others - there were dense forests on the site of present-day Moscow. For all my 63 years I have not seen anything from Muscovites except mucks - in Soviet times “Temporary” REGULAR price increase for everything, including food! Now all the money is in Moscow! In Muscovy, they steal most of all from the general budget — I won’t talk about Serdyukov and his thieves' harem. Why shouldn’t I support the separation of Muscovy from ALL of Russia? Siberia, as a colony of Muscovy and the USA has no prospects !!! The Chinese also do not need Siberians !!! What conclusions do Siberians make :!


    Those who steal, in the event of the collapse and the outbreak of civil war, are likely to fall into 2 categories, the first will transfer accounts to foreign banks and dump them from the country, others may drag foreign interventionists here to return their assets as they did at the beginning of the 63th century (by the way, for this reason it is impossible to use thermonuclear weapons to protect your country). As a result, not those who dumped, but ordinary people, will suffer. If you are 90 years old and your memory still does not refuse, then you must remember the XNUMXs. Central Asia is almost entirely here, the North and South Caucasus also partly moved to the central part of Russia, the Baltic countries earn money in Europe, part of the enterprises in Ukraine have stopped, since nobody needs its industry. In general, there is simply no so-called independence . Siberia as a result of separatism will not remain alone, it will most likely be taken over by China, Japan and the United States will not sit idly by, and they will also share territory with resources.
    In general, I think that you are not an inventor, you are either a troll or an enemy.
    1. VI Kacheev
      +1
      28 October 2013 11: 38
      Quote: Denga
      In general, I think that you are not an inventor, you are either a troll or an enemy.

      I am not hiding behind "nicknames", unlike YOU - I gave my first and last name.
      I give links on my developments:
      http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/10/10/prototype-rusengin-bullet/
      http://vpk.name/news/87610_na_voprosyi_posetitelei_portala_vpkname_gotov_otvetit
      _isobretatel_pul_novoi_konstrukcii_v_i_kacheev.html
      http://vpk.name/news/88712_izobretatel_pul_novoi_konstrukcii_v_i_kacheev_otvetil
      _na_voprosyi_polzovatelei_vpkname.html
      I am in a sober mind and a complete understanding of real life - otherwise how would I make developments recognized by inventors as patent experts!
      Article - "wiring" (in modern criminal terminology), with different purposes:
      1. Distract attention from the fact that Ukraine, at the request of most of the people, decided to enter into an alliance with the EU.
      This is an erroneous decision, but they decided so - it is their right.
      2. The decision according to claim 1 is a complete political fiasco of the current Muscovites !!! Muscovites can’t do anything, even suggest Ukraine - unlike the EU.
      You think it randomness - on this forum which day the topic of separatism is being discussed? No!!!
      What does a thief do when a crowd chases after him?
      That's right - THE FIRST SCREAMS: "Stop the thief!"
      Here are the Muscovites - MAIN DESTRUCTORS OF RUSSIA -
      shout about separatism !!!
      Is it really that hard to understand ?!
    2. +3
      28 October 2013 13: 11
      25 years in Siberia and not going to secede. and friends are buddies the same.
  49. rocketman
    +3
    28 October 2013 11: 04
    Quote: ivshubarin
    In general, the right and left (up to Vladivostok) Amur banks

    Look at the map, dear! Although in childhood I was in Vladik last time, but I didn’t see any Cupid there ...
    1. 0
      28 October 2013 11: 25
      So look at which side of Vladivostok. Do not take it so literally
  50. +2
    28 October 2013 11: 04
    They are not the first and not the last to want to secede.
    It is not necessary to raise loud noise, but you need to respond quickly and harshly.
    Well, combine the carrot and stick.
  51. +4
    28 October 2013 11: 24
    <<< At the Valdai Forum, Vladimir Putin said that the sovereignty, independence, and integrity of Russia are the “red lines” that no one should cross. I would like to believe that these words will be followed by corresponding decisions.>>>
    That's it! We need specific and TOUGH decisions! I’m just fed up with Russian liberal TOLERANCE, when it seems that according to the law this is impossible, this is impossible, but in reality all this is happening and the authors and sponsors of what is happening, in fact, the destroyers of Russia simply SPIT on all these cannot be and openly come out with anti-Russian ideas and calls and NOBODY THEY CAN'T STOP THEM! IT IS USELESS to call for prudence and common sense on all this pro-Western, anti-Russian trash, reminiscent of Leopold the cat with his “let’s live together,” or expect that this will DISSOLVE on its own! Thanks to the increasing stratification of Russian society, the regions of Russia have already formed their own ruling elites with their own “rubles”, capitals that would like to independently rule their regions without looking back at Moscow and therefore condone the spread of separatist tendencies, especially knowing that there is NOTHING for this WILL! So there is no other choice for the country's leadership but to strictly CLEAN OUT. CLEAR and CLEAR all this separatist trash from all levels of government!
  52. poccinin
    0
    28 October 2013 11: 35
    Previously, in the USSR, money remained in the Far East. The criminals watched this. Then the 90s and 00s began, the division of the “tidbits” began, the Muscovites came and all financial flows went to Moscow. They ruined Amurstal. (Amurmetal), which is also bankrupt. ZLK (ships) nuclear submarines do not need to be built on the Amur. It took 70 years to build and now there is no need. EVERYTHING goes to the West! There are no benefits. You can’t fly to the center of RUSSIA. And the MAYOR OF MOSCOW, Mr. Sobyanin, said, “IF THE CAPITAL OF RUSSIA IS MOVED ANYWHERE. IT WILL BE A DISASTER FOR MOSCOW AND THE REGION.”
  53. +2
    28 October 2013 11: 45
    Indeed, the problems of separatism are in Moscow. Moscow (that is, our rulers) doesn’t give a damn about the rest of Russia beyond the Moscow Ring Road, or rather about its people. Russia, for the nouveau riche managers, is now just a source of enrichment; they do not tie their destiny to it in the same way as they already have palaces and villas (and some, islands donated to them by their “partners”) abroad. Our “guarantor” once blurted out that the lack of population to pump out resources, in the event of its partial or complete extinction, can (and even should) be filled without problems with migrants. As one TV presenter said: “Moscow is the “heart” of Russia, and it feeds on the blood of the regions....
    1. VI Kacheev
      -1
      28 October 2013 11: 59
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Indeed, the problems of separatism are in Moscow. Moscow (that is, our rulers) doesn’t give a damn about the rest of Russia beyond the Moscow Ring Road, or rather about its people. Russia, for the nouveau riche managers, is now just a source of enrichment; they do not tie their destiny to it in the same way as they already have palaces and villas (and some, islands donated to them by their “partners”) abroad.

      You correctly understand the essence of the problem. But where is your solution?!
      The article is a “wiring” (see my comment above).
      To distort heart question, namely the theme of betrayal of the Muscovites who destroyed the USSR, the problem of regional separatism is being thrown in! After all, it was not in Siberia that the bacchanalia began to denigrate the Soviet way of life, but in the Central, state at the time television. The topic is Siberia have to give to China is being discussed on TV channels subordinate to the Kremlin!!!
      What other questions are there - the analogy with the destruction of the USSR is COMPLETE!!!
  54. +3
    28 October 2013 11: 47
    Today, the article of the Criminal Code “For undermining state foundations” is used extremely narrowly. It seems to me that any calls for separatism are an undermining of state foundations. And it would be nice for the “department” gentlemen to think about civil liability. Who will defend this “Siberian state”? Those 10 million. the people who inhabit it? Or maybe "World Legal System"? Will it be possible to maintain sovereignty or will the world community quickly find a violation of human rights and rush to the rescue of the oppressed?
    Enough already! We need to go to prison for this quickly and harshly!
    And the fact that the capital needs to be removed from Moscow is clear as day! The example of Kazakhstan, Turkey, Brazil, etc. fully proves the wisdom of leaving the capital from the metropolis in the conditions of a corrupt state apparatus!
    1. +2
      28 October 2013 12: 22
      “Our article of the Criminal Code “For undermining state foundations” is used extremely narrowly today.”

      because if it is used more widely, then half the government will have to be transplanted

      “And the fact that the capital needs to be removed from Moscow is as clear as daylight! The example of Kazakhstan, Turkey, Brazil, etc. fully proves the wisdom of leaving the capital from the metropolis in the conditions of a corrupt state apparatus!”

      it is actually an escape from the problem, not a solution to it. You won’t be able to escape from this bastard - he’ll move to the new capital. it must be treated and treated with extremely harsh methods.
  55. Ddhal
    +1
    28 October 2013 11: 50
    Classification of separatism according to increasing sin;
    1) PR
    2) pocket
    3) agent
    Countermeasures:
    1) don't mention
    2) take away
    3) kill
  56. 0
    28 October 2013 12: 03
    In March 2012 I was in Krasnoyarsk for work. I’m driving with a taxi driver and he clearly says to me in Russian: “If right-handed cars are banned in the Kremlin, the men and I will separate ourselves from this Moscow for the hell of it! General Lebed, he was a man, they killed him!” So there are so many different opinions among the population. And these ideas, as I understand it, are being actively exploited.
  57. Muxauk
    0
    28 October 2013 12: 08
    Quote: DDHAL
    Classification of separatism according to increasing sin;
    1) PR
    2) pocket
    3) agent
    Countermeasures:
    1) don't mention
    2) take away
    3) kill


    a countermeasure is to kill, and there will be no desire for PR or money, everything is much simpler
  58. +4
    28 October 2013 12: 13
    There were and are many hunters for the riches of Siberia. And now, the article mentions “paid” projects for the “future of Siberia”. Naturally, with the money of the same American elites. But why are young people "led to sweet promises"? And why is there an American campaign of 100 thousand dollars for every Siberian if he leaves Siberia for a third world country. Yes, because they are sure that many residents of Siberia make a living on many, and they are the owner of the wealth various Moscow and foreign companies that even pay taxes at the place of registration. Thanks to Tuleyev, he somehow forces them to “fork out” in favor of Kuzbass:
    After a week of traveling around Siberia, I already understand that by the word “Muscovites,” Siberians do not mean the residents of Moscow, but some evil community, whose representatives behave like the British administration in colonial America, that is, they simply rob - they take out minerals, leaving glass beads for the natives in the form of meager salaries, pensions and minimal money for maintaining infrastructure. At the same time, not forgetting to constantly remind the locals that they are one people with them. (About the separation of Siberia from Russia. Website "Such Times")

    Siberia has saved Russia more than once and true patriots of the Motherland live there. And the fact that young people “fell for” the nationality column “Siberian” This does not mean we need to separate, but to draw the attention of our authorities to the needs of the inhabitants of Siberia and pride in their region.
  59. VI Kacheev
    +2
    28 October 2013 12: 17
    Quote: Polovec
    Today, the article of the Criminal Code “For undermining state foundations” is used extremely narrowly.

    If there is at least one (albeit straight) convolution, then try to answer, himself, to the question:
    "Who destroyed the USSR - Muscovites or Siberians?!"
    If you find the correct answer, then there will be no questions about the separatism of Siberia!!! The harsh homespun truth is that oil and gas are produced in Siberia, where the ecology (nature) is being destroyed, and the income from their sale:
    1. They are stolen, in part, by Muscovites!
    2. For the other part of them, Fed candy wrappers are purchased!

    Siberia, the Far East, the Urals, the Non-Black Earth Region, the Krasnodar Territory and others need this?!
    1. +3
      28 October 2013 12: 58
      Quote: VI Kacheev
      ..."Who destroyed the USSR - Muscovites or Siberians?!"
      If you find the correct answer, then there will be no questions about the separatism of Siberia!!!

      I have no questions on the topic of separatism in Siberia that you invented and promoted, but I know the answer. I'm sharing!
      The USSR was destroyed by the multinational elite of the CPSU. In general, almost all the republics were represented there. There were Ukrainians, Armenians, Georgians and Kazakhs, etc. The process of destruction went on for a long time; many were noted over more than 30 years.
      The last act “Belovezhye” was signed by the Ukrainian Kravchuk, the Belarusian Shukhevych and the Ural resident Yeltsin.
      Is your selection method unclear? Whom, and on what grounds, do you classify as the Muscovites?
      1. VI Kacheev
        0
        28 October 2013 13: 50
        Quote: BigRiver
        I have no questions on the topic of separatism in Siberia that you invented and promoted, but I know the answer. I'm sharing! The USSR was destroyed by the multinational elite of the CPSU. In general, almost all the republics were represented there. There were Ukrainians, Armenians, Georgians and Kazakhs, etc. The process of destruction went on for a long time; many were noted over more than 30 years.
        The last act “Belovezhye” was signed by the Ukrainian Kravchuk, the Belarusian Shukhevych and the Ural resident Yeltsin.
        Is your selection method unclear? Whom, and on what grounds, do you classify as the Muscovites?

        1. I am not “pedaling” the topic - I am commenting on an article not written by me.
        2. Absolutely "in the hole" - the process of destruction of the country began in 1953 - after the death of I.V. Stalin. This process, historically speaking, took place when the center of political power was in Moscow. Yes, there was a Red Empire - the USSR, and the flag was red - it rose above the Kremlin. Remember or not, like the red flag of the USSR LAST TIME fell from the spire?! Then, on the same spire, they raised a tricolor flag, under which, by the way, the Vlasovites fought.
        Was the flag changed due to the unfavorable position of the stars or AFTER SURRENDER to the amers?!
        In conclusion, I repeat: “I am not promoting the topic of separatism in Siberia - I am writing an article DIDN'T WRITE!!! The theme of separatism in Siberia (regions) is the disengagement of the Muscovites - before the surrender of Siberia to China! The thief is the first to shout - stop the thief, saving yourself from death!!!"
  60. fastblast
    0
    28 October 2013 12: 28
    So who are M0skali? Simple Russian hard workers or fattening bandits in power?
    Honestly, I don't understand.
    Maybe when Bandera’s people say “Moskolyak to Gilyak” they actually mean a fat bloodsucker sitting on a pipe and on kickbacks from everything that can be rolled away from?
    1. VI Kacheev
      0
      28 October 2013 13: 25
      Quote: Fastblast
      So who are M0skali?

      I didn’t come up with this “term”! To be honest, I borrowed it from some history site. I'm not lying - honest pioneering. The distribution (transformation) of different population groups in the process of formation of the Russian state was given. There was also a group of Muscovites, which consisted of citizens of different social status, in particular, service people (officials). I remember the definition - I’m applying it. Bandera is a relatively modern contradiction between Ukrainians and Russians - bloody and merciless. But the roots of this are in very ancient history. When Kyiv was the Capital City, the dense forests were in the place where the Moscow region is now. "Historical science" is the handmaiden of power. Therefore, it is quite difficult to fully understand the history of the birth of the state of Russia (the Russian Empire, and then the USSR). However, we are witnesses of the following:
      1. The Romanov Empire disappeared. The House of Romanov began after the end of the Troubles of 1613, in which the Romanov clan first recognized the impostor False Dmitry, i.e. from treason.
      2. In 1941, the Muscovites almost capitulated to the Wehrmacht, fleeing from Moscow at the end of October.
      If not for the Siberian divisions, capitulation was inevitable.
      3. Who betrayed and destroyed the USSR - Muscovites or Siberians?!
      Therefore, the period of Muscovite rule in Rus', after the fall of Kievan Rus, was a chain of betrayal - first to the Horde, then to the Germans, and now to the Americans.
      Such is the harsh homespun truth!
      1. +1
        28 October 2013 13: 34
        Dad, what are you chasing?
        1. VI Kacheev
          +1
          28 October 2013 14: 10
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Dad, what are you chasing?

          Alas, I’m not “driving”!!!
          I still remember sincere tears my aunt to the news of I.V.’s death. Stalin - although he was a three-year-old brat! At the final stage of my life’s (earthly) journey, I sincerely tell you: “Russia has no dangerous external enemies, but only internal enemies of the Russian people, namely the Muscovites!”
          1. 0
            28 October 2013 14: 18
            The capital of the Russian Empire was St. Petersburg, what to do with this period of history
      2. fastblast
        0
        28 October 2013 15: 26
        Harsh, I agree.
        But, after all, it’s also not good to manipulate the people... only those who stir things up will find benefit from popular unrest, and ordinary people will end up taking it to the fullest and nothing will change globally.

        What is needed here is a more surgical approach to solving pressing problems.
  61. +2
    28 October 2013 12: 38
    "Oh, you glutton! Ah, villain! -
    Here Vasku Cook reproaches: -
    Aren't you ashamed of the walls for you, not just for people?
    (But Vaska nevertheless removes the chicken.)
    How! being an honest cat until then,
    Sometimes, for an example, you seem humility, -
    And you ... oh, what a shame! Now all the neighbors will say:
    "Cat Vaska is a rogue! Cat Vaska is a thief!
    And Vasku-de is not just in the kitchen,
    Do not let the yard,
    Like a greedy wolf in a shepherd:
    He is a corruption, he is a plague, he is an ulcer of these places! "
    (And Vaska listens and eats.)
    Here rhetorician * mine, giving free rein to the flow,
    I did not find the end of moralizing.
    But what? While he sang him,
    Vaska’s cat ate all the fries.
    And I would have told another chef on the wall to kill:
    So that there is no waste of speeches,
    Where should power be used?
  62. +7
    28 October 2013 12: 50
    In the Rutul region of Dagestan I am Ikhrek, in Makhachkala I am Rutul, in Moscow I am Dagestan, in Spain I am Russian. I consider myself first and foremost a Russian. And a real Russian will never divide Russians into Russians and non-Russians. This division will not lead our country to anything good. Only the enemies of Russia or a brainless herd can want this.
    1. +3
      28 October 2013 19: 48
      To be honest, I didn’t understand your post
      Quote: Jamal
      In the Rutul region of Dagestan I am an Ihrekets, in Makhachkala I am a Rutulets, in Moscow I am a Dagestanian,

      is this not right? and you are offended by it
      Quote: Jamal
      in Spain Russian.

      Well, with all countries the situation is approximately the same, if a person is from China, then he is Chinese, and not an ethnic Mongol, Uyghur, etc., the details do not interest anyone - does this bother you a lot?
      Quote: Jamal
      a real Russian will never divide Russians into Russians and non-Russians

      in what sense to divide? among the peoples of Russia - Russians, Dagestanis, Yakuts, etc. - from what point of view of the nationality should we look at this, for example, for the Chukchi there are Chukchi and the rest of the Russians, what do you propose - forget the ethnic component to which each person defines himself, abolish autonomous names? Russian ethnically from the 05th region - you yourself understand that this is stupidity. There is a Russian proverb - “Ivans do not remember kinship” - and so it now applies to the people who were united under a new nationality - the Europeans
      and write that you are not in the “Russian” language
    2. New Russia
      +2
      28 October 2013 20: 11
      Quote: Jamal
      And a real Russian will never divide Russians into Russians and non-Russians. This division will not lead our country to anything good. Only the enemies of Russia or a brainless herd can want this.

      How is that? Are you rootless? For you, is a Chechen equivalent to a Russian? I feel sorry for you
  63. +9
    28 October 2013 13: 05
    I live in Arkhangelsk. Most people are sane. Out of a large number of people, only 2 really cause panic and believe that it is better to separate from Russia, Russia will soon disintegrate, they say about this everywhere. That’s what they say themselves; others don’t have such a topic of conversation. And the majority support - There is one country. They criticize - in Moscow they really got greedy. Whatever the law is PROHIBITED, everything is prohibited, Taxes, Duties, Excise duties. Everyone gets promoted and comes up with more and more new ones, and THEY get promoted again. Our government is really driving the people to the brink; if the country collapses, the reasons will be economic, not territorial.
  64. New Russia
    +3
    28 October 2013 14: 02
    Quote: ATATA
    In general, the most dangerous time for the integrity of Russia is already behind us


    As soon as in any region the number of migrants reaches a critical mass, and the number of Russians becomes critically low, a chain reaction of the collapse of the country will begin, by the end of this decade the policy of this government will move to open recognition that the time of the Russians has passed, and it is necessary to peacefully give in to the newcomers.
    1. +1
      28 October 2013 16: 58
      Like what happened in Kosovo, for example! It’s just that it won’t be peaceful. What about the Serbs?
    2. DZ_98_B
      0
      28 October 2013 20: 55
      Madam, my advantages to you. But now I turned on the channel, a hunter and a fisherman, and there is a hunter, one of the heroes of the film.. happy people.. From Bakht. from the Turukhansky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, says that big problems for Russians are created... Russians... Old Believers. I called my friend and asked about it. He replied . Old Believers... they call us... the spawn of the devil... I'm just in awe!!!!
      1. New Russia
        0
        28 October 2013 21: 01
        I heard that they came from South America to Siberia, and didn’t get along with people and left; they didn’t recognize cell phones or computers) Their girls didn’t even leave the house)
        1. DZ_98_B
          0
          28 October 2013 21: 22
          Well they always have been. Old Believers are our ancestors. They don't smoke, they drink. , But for ordinary people they have special dishes. and if you touch their dishes, they will throw them away.
  65. Yarosvet
    -1
    28 October 2013 14: 30
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  66. Dengue
    +2
    28 October 2013 14: 30
    Quote: V. I. Kacheev
    I am in a sober mind and have a full understanding of real life - otherwise how would I have made developments recognized as inventions by patent experts! The article is a “diversion” (in modern criminal terminology), with different purposes: 1. To divert attention from the fact that Ukraine, at the request of the majority of the people, decided to enter into an alliance with the EU. This is a wrong decision, but they decided so - it is their right.2. The decision on point 1 is a complete political fiasco of the current Muscovites!!! The Muscovites cannot even offer anything to Ukraine - unlike the EU. Do you think this is an accident - on this forum the topic of separatism is being exaggerated every day?! No!!!What does a thief do when a crowd is chasing him? That's right - THE FIRST SHOUTS: "Stop the thief!" So the Muscovites - THE MAIN DESTROYERS OF RUSSIA - are shouting about separatism!!! Is it really so difficult to understand?!


    I simply cannot believe how a 63-year-old man with a certain level of knowledge can advocate separatism. You don’t have to be a genius to understand what will happen to the country in the event of the collapse and separation of Siberia and the Far East. The nuclear triad will cease to exist, and nuclear power will quickly degrade to the level of England or France, and this with the increase in the military and economic power of China with all the ensuing consequences. You don’t have to delude yourself about independence, because disintegration will be followed by disintegration. They will finish off Russia until it turns into a “political vegetable”; you don’t even have to look far for examples. You can read a new story or just watch the news. What countries are turning into. Libya, Yugoslavia, etc.
    I think that you simply equated everyone who lives in Muscovy as enemies of the people, while others equate everyone who lives in the Caucasus as enemies. Very simple isn't it? Don't you think it could be different? Maybe a certain political stratum (elite) has formed that has profited well from privatization and is now in charge of resources, plants and factories and that does not want to share with the authorities? Maybe she pays the established criminal elite in the Caucasus? And instead of treatment, you immediately propose to commit historical suicide, just think about this word. Would you like at least some analytical articles, programs - read, watch. You cannot call for the disintegration of the country. Power comes and goes, but the Motherland is always alone.

    PS What do you think, whose production and on whom will the cartridges (of a rather interesting design) that you posted on an English-language resource be tested in the event of the collapse of our country?
    1. VI Kacheev
      0
      28 October 2013 21: 46
      Quote: Denga
      I simply cannot believe how a 63-year-old man with a certain level of knowledge can advocate separatism. You don’t have to be a genius to understand what will happen to the country in the event of the collapse and separation of Siberia and the Far East.

      There is Do I have a call or not a call for the separation of Siberia or the Far East from Russia? The answer is no! Such debates are started by liberals on TV channels subordinate to the Kremlin! A similar process for TV boxes already started earlier - before the destruction of the USSR. There were no rallies in Tomsk, Omsk, Krasnoyarsk, Novosibirsk or any other city in Siberia for the surrender of part of Russian territory to Norway!!! But the territory was surrendered! Who passed? Who signed such an agreement? Such an agreement was signed by the current Muscovite government! Who and what city in Siberia called for Ukraine to join the EU? But she's almost there already! Whose mistake is this? The answer is the mistake of the current Muscovite government! And, to distract attention from this fact, they begin to loudly shout about separatism of the regions! There is only one logical conclusion from this - in order for Russia not to further disintegrate, it is necessary to separate Muscovy from Russia - at least politically!
      Quote: Denga
      PS What do you think, whose production and on whom will the cartridges (of a rather interesting design) that you posted on an English-language resource be tested in the event of the collapse of our country?

      That state is strong. which has strong Armed Forces. My meager contribution to the strengthening of the Armed Forces is the invention of a bullet (for the first time in 130 years, a Russian bullet was developed) and a cartridge. But TsniiTochMash (Muscovites) They don’t even think about testing them. I went around the entire circle of Muscovite authorities with a proposal - empty troubles! So I advertise abroad - there is no other way to implement my inventions in hardware!
      Quote: Denga
      You cannot call for the disintegration of the country. Power comes and goes, but the Motherland is always alone.

      I am not calling for the collapse of Russia as a country! I say: “Let’s separate Muscovy from Russia - maybe then we’ll save Russia!”
      I don't see any other way out! The USSR destroyed those forces in Muscovy that, using a similar method, are beginning to launch the process of destruction of Russia. But the cover for this is accusing the regions of separatism! In Moscow (Muscovy) itself there are no opposing forces - then we separate Muscovy itself from Russia!
  67. poccinin
    +4
    28 October 2013 14: 31
    We had a flood. AMUR rose 9 meters 15 cm. The whole world collected money. Accounts were opened. TV promotions. the government allocated money. "WHERE IS THE MONEY?" Something is not visible in our Far East. There is rapid construction. WHO SHOULD CONTROL THE EXPENDITURE OF MONEY? "ASZ" "Refinery" KNAAPO" "AMURMETAL" 3-CHPP AND NO MONEY! average salary 10-15 with taxes. on hand 000-8. loaf of bread 10-20 rubles. potatoes 30 kg-1-30 rubles. how to live .that’s why people are leaving here for Krasnodar. to the west. We have Chinese here like you have Tajiks. and there are more and more of them. They get married, have children, and in 40-15 years they will hold a referendum on joining CHINA. FAR EAST. SIBERIA LEAVED TO FATE .that’s why people are complaining. And they’re trying to push stupid laws (to ban left-hand drive)
    1. DZ_98_B
      0
      28 October 2013 21: 08
      I agree with you!!! He will restore Chechnya, send the Olympic lighter to God knows where, there is money. But to help RUSSIAN PRIMORYE.... there is no money. And for some reason they have little faith in the fact that the Chinese are seizing the east of Siberia.
  68. +2
    28 October 2013 14: 49
    Another year in 98 there were similar trends... It seems that the Trans-Ural provinces made proposals for a confederation with the center. But then the activists (led by Rossel), apparently, were explained what was what, everything somehow died out... In general, with its persistent reluctance to take into account local realities, the central government provokes the growth of “secessionist” sentiments. T.N. "sepapratists", basically, do not require any privileges - take into account the characteristics of each region (geographical, economic, cultural) when governing the country - and centrifugal sentiments will come to naught. But this is such a headache, it’s easier to declare all those who are dissatisfied enemies...
  69. Peaceful military
    +3
    28 October 2013 14: 55
    I have experience. The USSR was destroyed, the Little Russians got it into their heads that they were the oldest Ukrainian people, etc. It is clear that they will not calm down. It is necessary to plant mercilessly.
    BUT!
    There is no one to plant, one “Santa Barbara” with Serdyukov is worth something.angry
  70. +6
    28 October 2013 14: 57
    The point is not separatism, but the fact that the regions give almost everything they earn to Moscow.

    Those. For example, living in a very large industrial city, I don’t see such beauty as in Grozny, which doesn’t really produce anything. Or like in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Moreover, the city is even declared bankrupt, because they take everything and leave crumbs.

    And then they wonder why everyone goes to Moscow to work, but why not go there if the office plankton there earns more than a miner or metallurgist, who retire with ruined health.
  71. +1
    28 October 2013 14: 58
    Separatism is like a chain reaction. Further, more, in the sense of more and more fragments. Remember from your school history course what happened in Rus' during the period of feudal fragmentation.... However, this is very far away... 1991 will be fresher hi
  72. komissar
    +2
    28 October 2013 16: 35
    By the way, the authors of these separatist ideas live in Moscow. Let them try to make their ideas known to the local population somewhere in a Siberian village (I suggest the villages of Muzhi or Gorki of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug). I'm afraid they will remain there forever.
  73. Pim Ural
    +1
    28 October 2013 16: 53
    If Russia collapses, then everything will be buried under its rubble, absolutely everything. Uncontrollable chaos will begin all over the world, which absolutely does not suit our Western masters among the “sensible” politicians. You can argue for a long time whether there are such people there or they have all been under control there for a long time permanent high. like some of ours. especially the small-town ones, that’s not the point. The point is that the West and the East will be completely satisfied with a weak Russia, such as it is now. We, as a whole people, have already lost the last twenty years in an empty market, in empty reforms ( at least one ended with an acceptable result?), we will have to continue to shout in chorus: “Halva! Halva!” at the suggestion of the West, and if suddenly our Motherland begins to rise as powerfully as it has always done, then the restoration of the Union will be immediately initiated , into which the poorest countries of Asia and Europe will begin to burst (sorry, please). So we are guaranteed to lag behind the developed neighboring countries, and this is the main thing: controlled chaos, but there will be no collapse. Rejoice!
  74. 0
    28 October 2013 17: 46
    It seems to me that everything is simpler. Everyone is tired of this swamp. Everyone wants to see RUSSIA GREAT. And everyone is already fed up with the endless swamp with movement to nowhere... That is why separate sentiments arise, fueled by “well-wishers” of Russia.
    We just need the country to finally wake up and shake off all this abomination... corruption, social injustice, oligarchs, nepotism, bandits. Everyone wants basic order and justice. And then no one will have any separatist sentiments. On the contrary, everyone will be asked to return to the UNION.
  75. Shaman 21101973
    0
    28 October 2013 18: 41
    Dear forum users. The most offensive thing is that I believe in the possibility that in about 30 years, Russia will collapse. If at the moment this topic is being raised in the media and on the Internet......, and therefore in people's heads... Doesn't this scare you? That this very idea has already appeared among the citizens of our country and we are discussing it
    Well, tell me, who could have thought 30-40 years ago that there would be no union? However, everything that our ancestors put together with such difficulty, including blood, over hundreds of years as a united Russia, fell apart.
    Accordingly, depending on what is currently happening in the country, the likelihood of dividing Russia into small national and economically strong regions (countries) is, alas, possible.
    Watch the speech of the former governor of the Sverdlovsk region Eduard Rossel. Eduard Ergartovich Rossel (born October 8, 1937, Bor village, Borsky district, Gorky region) is a Russian statesman and political figure, in 1991-1993. - Head of Administration, 1994-1995. —Chairman of the Sverdlovsk Regional Duma, 1995-2009. - Governor of the Sverdlovsk region, 1993-2001. since 2009 - member of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation[2]
    Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1f5kW1LXo
    Look and think.
  76. pug
    pug
    -2
    28 October 2013 19: 16
    Down with Putin, the state fool and the disgusting Russian state. Do you really like that deputies receive 250 thousand rubles a month, have 4 months a year, and ordinary Russian people live very poorly? So it is better to live in separate normal states (Zalesskaya Rus, Ingermanland, the Ural Republic, the Siberian Republic, the Far Eastern Republic, the Baltic Republic) or in foreign protectorates than to exist in filthy Russia. Is it possible for an ordinary person in Russia to earn more than that mug who sits in the government department? Therefore, Russia spoils the lives of its own citizens with its existence, first of all. Normal Russian people hate this filthy country.
    If it splits, it will be the best that can happen.
    1. Shaman 21101973
      0
      28 October 2013 19: 43
      If you don't like it, get out. The time will come and we will figure it out without you.
      1. pug
        pug
        0
        28 October 2013 19: 52
        Where would you like to live - in a normal, adequate state, where bureaucrats have no flashing lights and have a high standard of living, or in Russia, where dummies receive 250 thousand rubles? Or do you have a higher salary than the Dumaks?
        1. Shaman 21101973
          0
          28 October 2013 20: 02
          Each state, at different times, had its ups and downs.....
          No, my salary is very modest. Take my word for it.
          But I still believe that in our country there are a lot of honest, decent, brave citizens and over time, with their help, Russia will become a state where they will want to come for permanent residence not only from Central Asia, but also from Europe and America. ..
          1. pug
            pug
            -1
            28 October 2013 20: 34
            Why then do you defend a country that robs you, robs you, imposes all sorts of moronic obligations and gives nothing in return. You know that in the State Duma there is such a fucking scoundrel deputy as Robert Schlegel, born in 1984, who has been there since 2007. And also there is the scum deputy Kostunov, who said that the dumbest deputy is smarter than the average Russian. About spring, Mizulina, Khorkina. Kabaev, Klimtsevich, Zheleznyak and other creatures in the amount of 450 people can say approximately the same thing.
            So, if this damn country ceases to exist, then the deputies will become useless to anyone. And ordinary people will live peacefully without Rashi. Just in order to get rid of the deputies, the Russian moron can be consigned to the dustbin of history.
            1. Shaman 21101973
              0
              28 October 2013 20: 46
              Yes, the country has something to do with it!!!!!!. You and I and many were born and raised in this COUNTRY. And this is not theirs, but our country!!!!
              And everything you list is that someday they will rot on their own or they will be helped, but they will leave.
              1. pug
                pug
                0
                28 October 2013 21: 22
                You simply may not live to see the time when, as you said, “it will either rot on its own or they will get help, but they will leave.” Why should ordinary people live in Khrushchev-era apartment buildings or pay a mortgage for life, while all sorts of Russian deputies and bureaucrats ALREADY now live in luxury real estate and drive Cayennes. You see, if this country is captured, it will be the current deputies and bureaucrats who will be robbed. They got everyone - both Russians and foreigners. These are absolute beasts.
              2. New Russia
                0
                28 October 2013 21: 33
                Quote: Shaman 21101973
                Yes, the country has something to do with it!!!!!!. You and I and many were born and raised in this COUNTRY.

                Man confuses country and state
            2. +1
              28 October 2013 20: 51
              Quote: Mops
              And ordinary people will live peacefully without Rashi.

              “Where it’s good is the Motherland?”
              To whom RUSSIA, to whom RUSSIA!
              You are a person without a homeland. Traitors grow up from such people. More precisely, there is already one. I know - in my Russia there is a city of Kaliningrad, the city of glory of Soviet soldiers.
        2. Shaman 21101973
          0
          28 October 2013 20: 22
          No, that’s just it, I want to live in a strong, rich country. With a normal president, a professional government and a State Duma who first of all think about their people and country, and not about themselves.
          I repeat - there are ups and downs...
          But calling our country - RUSSIA - Russia... I would advise you to refrain
          1. pug
            pug
            -2
            28 October 2013 20: 59
            If the meaning of Russia’s existence (that’s right) is aimed at protecting privileged members of society (deputies of the state Duma, judges, prosecutors), then I DO NOT NEED this country and its very existence offends me. I am ready to fight with arms in hand against the state fool, Putin and those narrow-minded people (whom the deputies themselves consider to be bullies) who support them.
            And let this country be destroyed.
            1. 0
              28 October 2013 21: 39
              Quote: Mops
              I am ready to fight with arms in hand against the state fool, Putin and those narrow-minded people (whom the deputies themselves consider to be bullies) who support them.
              And let this country be destroyed.

              So what's the matter? Forward to the barricades, you can start fighting right now. Why wait decades to meet your ancestors? And it’s better for us, we won’t see your stupid propaganda.
              1. pug
                pug
                0
                28 October 2013 22: 29
                If there is an opportunity to fight, I will. the main thing is to cause maximum harm to the deputies of the state Duma and those who support them.

                And my “stupid propaganda” is much more adequate than the bills of your favorite deputies.
      2. New Russia
        0
        28 October 2013 20: 02
        Do you like everything?) But I don’t, and I don’t know who even likes this system) And we are not going to leave)
        1. Shaman 21101973
          0
          28 October 2013 20: 07
          Read my comment carefully.
          Each state, at different times, had its ups and downs.....
          1. New Russia
            0
            28 October 2013 20: 19
            Quote: Shaman 21101973
            Each state, at different times, had its ups and downs.....

            For the takeoff to begin, we should not wait for the period in the country’s development to change on its own. Otherwise, you will have to remember that there are such periods as final collapse and extinction, as happened with the Goths in the Crimea, or the Aryans in Asia.
            1. Shaman 21101973
              0
              28 October 2013 20: 24
              Fine. Your suggestions.?
              1. New Russia
                0
                28 October 2013 20: 31
                Organization and active participation in any protest actions on the side of leftist or nationalist forces, involvement of an increasing number of people, uncompromisingness, social work
                1. Shaman 21101973
                  0
                  28 October 2013 20: 40
                  What are any protest actions?
                  Uncompromising?
                  And what is social work?
                  1. New Russia
                    +1
                    28 October 2013 20: 51
                    This is participation in rallies, or their organization, if there is no one to join, the creation of opposition groups on social networks, propaganda.
                    Uncompromising means no conciliatory actions with the authorities.
                    Volunteering, mutual assistance. )
    2. cayman
      +1
      28 October 2013 23: 15
      Quote: Mops
      So it is better to live in separate normal states (Zalesskaya Rus, Ingermanland, the Ural Republic, the Siberian Republic, the Far Eastern Republic, the Baltic Republic) or in foreign protectorates than to exist in filthy Russia.

      We need '37. Oh, how necessary!
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    1. +1
      28 October 2013 20: 01
      Where is this bastard from? I wonder who paid for the pug? He is not good with the Russian language, apparently the owners did not pay much for the training of their mongrel. We need to figure out the bastard’s address and punish him, but I’m afraid his address is not a house or a street, but USA
      1. pug
        pug
        -2
        29 October 2013 19: 45
        From Russia, from the Ryazan region.
        I can give you a phone number and even meet you in person.
        And even give you the opportunity to try to punish me.
        Or can you just show off here among the quilted jackets?
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  78. pug
    pug
    -6
    28 October 2013 19: 44
    Down with Putin, the state fool and the disgusting Russian state. Do you really like that deputies receive 250 thousand rubles a month, have 4 months a year, and ordinary Russian people live very poorly? So it is better to live in separate normal states (Zalesskaya Rus, Ingermanland, the Ural Republic, the Siberian Republic, the Far Eastern Republic, the Baltic Republic) or in foreign protectorates than to exist in filthy Russia. Is it possible for an ordinary person in Russia to earn more than that mug who sits in the government department? Therefore, Russia spoils the lives of its own citizens with its existence, first of all. Normal Russian people hate this filthy country.
    If it splits, it will be the best that can happen.
    1. soldier's grandson
      +1
      28 October 2013 20: 01
      I agree about Putin and deputies, but then no
      1. amp
        amp
        -1
        28 October 2013 20: 27
        What do you agree on?
        What, do you think deputies should receive 15 a month?
        1. New Russia
          +1
          28 October 2013 20: 35
          The average salary in the country, 10-15 thousand, is enough for them, don’t you agree?)
          1. amp
            amp
            0
            28 October 2013 20: 43
            Of course not. Because they will get it with bribes. Then the qualifications and level of education of the majority of deputies are, to put it mildly, higher than the level of a janitor. Why should they receive the same salary?
            1. pug
              pug
              -3
              28 October 2013 22: 14
              Firstly, in terms of qualifications, state parliament deputies are no better, if not worse, than an ordinary lawyer or manager at a car dealership. And they should receive no more than that.
              And secondly, in Russia it is better to do without deputies altogether - let the American or British occupation administration rule better than all sorts of Putins, Zhirinovskys, Yarovs, Schlegels and Zheleznyaks.
              1. 0
                28 October 2013 23: 49
                Guys, why minus HOODO - the wind carries it away. Get out, pug, get out... And let the wind blow at your back
              2. 0
                29 October 2013 00: 38
                Faceless pug, you're just a maniac fool
        2. Shaman 21101973
          +2
          28 October 2013 20: 36
          Then please answer me. And who voted for them all in the elections? How did United Russia become the Duma majority? Who voted for Putin? Who voted for Medvedev? And is there an alternative to Putin at this time?
          I want to say right away... Personally, I did not vote for United Russia in the last elections.
          1. pug
            pug
            0
            29 October 2013 20: 05
            In the parliamentary elections of 2003 and 2007, I voted for the Union of Right Forces.
            They are NOT in the Duma.
            At the presidential elections in 2004, I voted for Khakamada.
            At the presidential elections in 2008, I voted for Bogdanov.
            At the presidential elections in 2012, I voted for Prokhorov.

            And where is my voice, WHERE?

            But I didn’t choose Putin and the current fucking deputies and I wish them death in every possible way.
        3. pug
          pug
          0
          28 October 2013 20: 50
          Do you receive more than 250 thousand rubles or not?
          And if you receive less, then do you agree that deputies should receive MORE than you? And when your son asks you: “Dad, why do we live so badly, and the deputies of the state fools are freaking out, maybe our country is such a disgusting one?”
          What do you tell him about this?
    2. amp
      amp
      0
      28 October 2013 20: 25
      Yeah, as soon as the Russian Federation falls apart, rivers of milk with jelly banks will flow..... only a complete stupid person will fall for this pathetic propaganda.
    3. 0
      28 October 2013 20: 53
      Are you serious? Do you think that with division there will be “independent” states? There may be names, but the Russians in them will be exterminated en masse and openly. 10 years and only a few will remain. Etc.
      1. New Russia
        0
        28 October 2013 21: 05
        Quote: dimyan
        Russians in them will be exterminated en masse in the open. 10 years and only a few will remain. Etc.

        Just like now, by the way
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  80. amp
    amp
    0
    28 October 2013 20: 21
    Put the freaks in jail for 20 years and that's it.
  81. +2
    28 October 2013 21: 14
    -To the pug: There has already been one collapse... and where are those happy “separate states”? If you know, list them in order of increasing prosperity... Pathetic dwarfs, forced to forever rush from one strong man to another, tearing out the throats of their neighbors at the behest of their princelings - this, bbbbbb, is what you want? The Russian Empire is gone - it was replaced by the USSR, time will pass - there will be a new state: What it’s called is not important...
    1. pug
      pug
      -2
      28 October 2013 21: 38
      There are 3 normal states that separated from the USSR - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. And their standard of living, by the way, is on average higher than in Russia; in Latvia, for example, as my father said, there is not a single AvtoVAZ car left. The presidents of these countries are not deities, as in Russia, Kazakhstan or Belarus. In the same Lithuania, Roland Paksas was impeached at one time.
      After all, the average resident of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia lives RICHER than the average Russian.
      1. New Russia
        0
        28 October 2013 21: 49
        Quote: Mops
        Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia

        The latter, the rapidly dying Baltic countries, turned out to be easy prey for globalism in the absence of ideology. Wealth doesn't stop people from fleeing
      2. Shaman 21101973
        0
        28 October 2013 21: 58
        -To the pug: Iron knowledge of economics, finance, social structure of the Baltic countries, and most importantly, your logic. No comments....
        I want to add. In Honduras there are even fewer VAZ cars...than in Germany.
      3. 0
        28 October 2013 21: 59
        Quote: Mops
        in Latvia, for example, as my father said, there is not a single AvtoVAZ car left.

        That is, you yourself don’t know it!
        Quote: Mops
        After all, the average resident of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia lives RICHER than the average Russian.

        Your data is outdated, the Balts live poorer than the Russians, even the lying, pro-American Wikipedia admitted this
      4. 0
        28 October 2013 22: 07
        -Well, how they live in Lithuania, those who come to us to work tell us...And the standard of living is such...uncertain...our “average” people in Poland spend money that surprises the “average” Pole, and this happens a couple of times per month!
  82. cayman
    +1
    28 October 2013 22: 22
    Article plus. Judging by the comments, one gets the impression that the participants in the discussion do not really distinguish supporters of regional separatism from the entire number of separatists present in Russia. They say there are Caucasian, Tatar, Tuvan separatists, and there are also Siberian ones. The phenomenon is of the same order, so to speak. But this is not true at all. Any ethnic separatism is, of course, hostile to Russia as a state, but it does not encroach on the integrity of the Russian nation as a single ethnic group. Another thing is these “Siberians”, “Uralians”, “Zalestsy”, “Ingrians” and “Pomors”. This is not a matter of separatism of some particular territory. Here is an attempt to split, tear the nation itself as a single people - an ethnic group, into many fragments. A lot of well-paid work is being done by the enemies of the Russian people and (already along the way) by the enemies of the Russian Federation. There is a real war going on. And the most dangerous thing is that these destroyers of the nation disguise themselves as Russians and act within the Russian people. Separatists (any) as enemies of the nation and people must be mercilessly destroyed. But a hundredfold greater ruthlessness and toughness must be shown towards the separatists of the pseudo-Russian bottling. Pseudo-Russian Russophobes are the main trump card of the world behind the scenes and pose the greatest danger to us, because they are like viruses that invade the cells of the body, taking advantage of the fact that the cells cannot recognize them as an enemy. Therefore, enemies need to be able to recognize and enemies need to be counteracted. Even now, in this vile - damned time, we Russian patriots are obliged (discarding all tolerance and political correctness) to extinguish these monsters, at least ideologically. Well, in the future Russia, only two tools should be used for them: the guillotine ax and the noose.
    1. pug
      pug
      -1
      28 October 2013 23: 25
      And in my opinion, the most disgusting creatures in Russia, and in all of human history, are the current state deputies.
      1. +1
        28 October 2013 23: 29
        Quote: Mops
        And in my opinion, the most disgusting creatures in Russia, and in all of human history, are the current state deputies.

        The most “disgusting” are US senators and the US President, they kill people all over the world, rob, cheat, destroy peoples and countries.
        1. pug
          pug
          +1
          29 October 2013 01: 13
          And what about spring, Mizulina, Kabaeva, Schlegel, Kozhevnikova, Kostunov, Zhirinovsky, Klimtsevich, Zheleznyak and other creatures? Who do you think these creatures are?
    2. pug
      pug
      0
      29 October 2013 19: 37
      And what do you want to apply to the current deputies of the State Duma, for example, to the creatures called Schlegel and Kostunov? Or will you let them live better than you?
      1. 0
        29 October 2013 22: 57
        Quote: Mops
        Or will you let them live better than you?

        They live RICHER than me, but it’s unlikely that they live better. You simply do not adequately perceive the words, living better and living richer are not synonyms.
    3. pug
      pug
      0
      29 October 2013 20: 00
      How will you fight the state fools without the collapse of Russia?
      Or will you allow creatures called Mizulina, Yarovaya, Schlegel, Kostunov to continue to live better than you and your loved ones?
      1. 0
        29 October 2013 23: 02
        Quote: Mops
        Or will you allow creatures called Mizulina, Yarovaya, Schlegel, Kostunov to continue to live better than you and your loved ones?

        Do you want to stand on a par with these “great” people? They will take you into their friendly company and share the income.
  83. Shaman 21101973
    +1
    28 October 2013 22: 23
    Quote: Mops
    Firstly, in terms of qualifications, state parliament deputies are no better, if not worse, than an ordinary lawyer or manager at a car dealership. And they should receive no more than that.
    And secondly, in Russia it is better to do without deputies altogether - let the American or British occupation administration rule better than all sorts of Putins, Zhirinovskys, Yarovs, Schlegels and Zheleznyaks.

    This begs the question: What did you drink? What were you smoking?..
    1. pug
      pug
      -2
      28 October 2013 23: 02
      A counter question directly. Aren't state deputies disgusting for you?
      I would do anything to keep them alive. Including, I am ready to remain without this state, whose name is Russia and from which I have seen nothing but humiliation. I HATE this country and the deputies, along with Putin, are its personification.
      1. 0
        28 October 2013 23: 17
        Quote: Mops
        I HATE this country and the deputies, along with Putin, are its personification.

        No one is holding you back, you can go to the country you love.
        Quote: Mops
        A counter question directly. Aren't state deputies disgusting for you?

        Everything is learned by comparison; compared to US senators, our deputies are models of decency.
        1. pug
          pug
          0
          29 October 2013 00: 18
          Are you kidding me that the state fool is a collection of decent people?
          Would you personally like to take away the apartment from a monkey called Yarovaya?
      2. 0
        28 October 2013 23: 29
        It seems that no one is holding anyone back. I LOVE THE COUNTRY!
        But there is something wrong in the state (you should know, Sergey, this is not the same thing) - we hope it will get better.
        No money for a ticket to Heathrow? Ask Abramovich, he’ll lend you something...
        1. pug
          pug
          +1
          29 October 2013 00: 21
          Actually, I don’t want to overthrow, but to take revenge on the deputies of the state Duma and those who support them.
      3. 0
        29 October 2013 18: 40
        What you are talking about is either stupidity or hatred. In both cases, these “ladies” are bad advisers.
        1. pug
          pug
          -1
          29 October 2013 19: 22
          What’s wrong with hatred of Russian deputies, judges and prosecutors, as well as creatures called Vladimir Putin and Ramzan Kadyrov. That is, to those people who take away your freedom and money, and even have the audacity to teach you what to do. To get rid of these creatures, you can liquidate the Russian state.
  84. soldier's grandson
    +1
    28 October 2013 22: 35
    Quote: amp
    What do you agree on?
    What, do you think deputies should receive 15 a month?

    Deputies don’t have to be paid at all, they have more than enough from their business, or do you think that they are going to the government with their bare ass?
  85. +1
    28 October 2013 23: 18
    We are talking about separatism in Russia. And you are all discussing the salaries of deputies. Separatism and a deputy’s salary somehow don’t fit together
    1. pug
      pug
      -1
      28 October 2013 23: 42
      Everything in life is interconnected.
      The fact is that HATRED for state deputies is much higher for me and many people than patriotism for Russia, where normal people are humiliated.
      1. 0
        28 October 2013 23: 51
        Quote: Mops
        where normal people are humiliated.

        What kind of humiliation are you subjected to? Or anyone else in Russia?
        1. pug
          pug
          +1
          29 October 2013 19: 03
          Do you like the fact that you are forced to let Putin’s fucking bureaucrats with their flashing lights pass on the road? Are you satisfied with the fact that State Duma deputies receive 250 thousand rubles each? Do you like the fact that judges and prosecutors are not actually covered by the administrative code (FOR AN EXAMPLE - traffic cops do not have the right to detain a drunk prosecutor while driving)? Isn't this humiliation?

          And that’s why I want the current Russian deputies, judges and prosecutors to be sent to the gas chamber!
          Be honest - don’t you want this?
          1. +1
            29 October 2013 22: 46
            Quote: Mops
            Do you like the fact that you are forced to let Putin’s fucking bureaucrats with their flashing lights pass on the road?

            I’ve been driving for 12 years, and I’ve never had to let anyone through except for the ambulance and the police.
            Quote: Mops
            Are you satisfied with the fact that State Duma deputies receive 250 thousand rubles each?

            I don't have the habit of counting other people's money.
            Quote: Mops
            Do you like the fact that judges and prosecutors are not actually covered by the administrative code?

            Such accusations must be proven.
            Quote: Mops
            Isn't this humiliation?

            Willpower plus character, be a man and no one will dare to humiliate you.
            Quote: Mops
            And that’s why I want the current Russian deputies, judges and prosecutors to be sent to the gas chamber!
            Be honest - don’t you want this?

            You didn’t give life, it’s not for you to take it away. This is the egocentrism of a swindler who can’t do anything, but wants everything.
  86. Prishtina
    0
    28 October 2013 23: 20
    Complete nonsense. I live in Western Siberia... And yet I’m already sick of the articles. If there are local separatists, then there are definitely no more of them than fagots with posters for their rights in Moscow
    1. New Russia
      0
      28 October 2013 23: 38
      Quote: Prishtina
      If there are local separatists, then there are definitely no more of them than fagots with posters for their rights in Moscow

      No more than a million voted for Navalny in the elections? For you, is a fair fight for rights bad? Do you hate people because, while fighting lawlessness, they fell for the wrong guy? Yes, it seems to me that you will call any protest “pi...mi”, both Biryulyovo and Pugachev. For you, self-respect and your rights are bad) Hmm
      1. +1
        28 October 2013 23: 46
        If Navalny is a fighter for justice, then I am Mahatma Gandhi hi
        1. New Russia
          0
          28 October 2013 23: 51
          I didn’t say that Navalny is a fighter for justice, I said that the people from the square are normal people
  87. -1
    28 October 2013 23: 52
    Why separate Moscow or burn it?
    Firstly, the St. Petersburg clan is in power. Secondly, the fact that the capital will be moved does not mean that the money will begin to be distributed evenly among everyone. There will be a “new Moscow” and that’s all. And your suggestions are like in a joke:
    Office.
    In the morning, office workers in a hurry move furniture from place to place, align everything with a centimeter, a compass, etc.
    In the middle of all this chaotic movement is an old cleaning lady in an embrace with a mop, she looks at all this action in fear.
    He mutters to himself: “I just washed it, now everyone will trample again, Herods, etc.”
    I stood for a long time looking at all this, then asked:
    “Dear ones, what are you doing here?” Are you moving?
    - No, granny, we’ll move the furniture around Feng Shui now and our sales will skyrocket right away.
    - Sons, I’ve been working here for a long time, even before the revolution the floors in this building were washed. So, before the revolution there was a brothel here. So there, when revenue fell, the beds were not moved. There they immediately changed the whores.
  88. Prishtina
    +1
    29 October 2013 01: 11
    Quote: New Russia
    Quote: Prishtina
    If there are local separatists, then there are definitely no more of them than fagots with posters for their rights in Moscow

    No more than a million voted for Navalny in the elections? For you, is a fair fight for rights bad? Do you hate people because, while fighting lawlessness, they fell for the wrong guy? Yes, it seems to me that you will call any protest “pi...mi”, both Biryulyovo and Pugachev. For you, self-respect and your rights are bad) Hmm


    Yes, I don’t give a damn how many people voted for Navalny... for that I don’t give a damn about the fact that 50000 Liberals... decided the fate of the USSR, contrary to the opinion of millions in the Union.
    Where did you see that I hate people? rather, there are groups of people who would be much more comfortable living in Holland or Switzerland... I wish these people happiness and a speedy move wink agree that the countries I suggested are not gulags))
    And your last quote about the protests - Are you studying to be a provocateur? Or for you, people who came out to Biryulyovo for obvious reasons and fags flying Rainbow flags at their marches are one and the same thing. And if you don’t understand something, then what’s going on in Biryulyovo is clear to me (I would come out myself) against the lawlessness... but bare-assed “men” in thongs fighting for the rights to smack same-sex friends and advertise it as something progressive is diametrically opposed to me opposite and obvious things.

    In this case, for me, any separatism in the country is as unacceptable as the genderless movement.

    I had already experienced the collapse of the Union_ and I was 11 years old then... I sincerely worried as a child. And take my word for it, if a bunch of separators come out with another project to drink up the country... I will stand and applaud the shooting of this public... and if they call me, I will help.

    And yes, in conclusion about rights, rights are inextricably tied to responsibilities. Unfortunately, the Russians have a problem with the second one. We want rights, but we still don’t understand that no one has canceled our responsibilities. What do such Rights lead to? Look at Libya. But everyone has the right to at least eat their butt.
    1. pug
      pug
      0
      29 October 2013 01: 47
      And the fact that 450 creatures called deputies tell you and other citizens how to behave - you consider this normal. Why can’t gays defend their rights, those citizens who want to organize their own state, independent of Putin and the state fools, also can’t fight for this, and scum like Yarovaya with an apartment for 2 million dollars or a slap for Schlegel (who was born in 1984, that is, younger than you) You can sit in the State Duma. Don't you think that all gays and separatists pose less of a danger than all kinds of scum from the government?
      1. 0
        29 October 2013 04: 51
        Quote: Mops
        ... who want to organize their own state, independent of Putin and the state fools, also cannot fight for this...

        You are disingenuous, or... you don’t see the reality behind the calls of the separatists.
        They whine about their state, supposedly independent of Russia. This is a phenomenon in the same vein as the collapse of the Union. When the small regional elite wanted to rule and own everything. At home, in the region. Like, in the Union there are no prospects of getting to the top, so let it be our patrimony, which we will milk.
        Here it’s the same thing, only of a smaller order.
        And words for infringement by Moscow, cultivation of hatred towards the central regions - all this is for the weakly thinking crowd.
        Thank God, our people are wise and understanding of everything.
        1. pug
          pug
          0
          29 October 2013 19: 26
          Is it pleasant for the “wise people” to let cars with Putin’s bureaucrats with flashing lights pass?
          The “wise people” are pleased to see the faces of state deputies with salaries of 250 thousand rubles and free apartments, while the “wise people” themselves earn LESS and are forced to BUY apartments.
          The question is - why then does the “wise people” need this country?

          Or suggest your own way to get rid of the deputies. Can you even do this?
          1. 0
            29 October 2013 23: 09
            Quote: Mops
            Is it pleasant for the “wise people” to let cars with Putin’s bureaucrats with flashing lights pass?

            It’s unlikely that you were in Ryazan or Kaliningrad, where you live there, probably in the USA, so it’s unlikely that you had to let “Putin’s bureaucrats” pass there
      2. Prishtina
        0
        29 October 2013 20: 59
        why are they creatures? who gave you the right to dip into all of them? Start with yourself and answer a simple test question... only honestly)

        What will you choose if you are legally seized by the traffic police... deprivation of rights from 1 to 5 years (as the court decides) or a bribe, for example, 20000 rubles on the spot... just don’t lie or be disingenuous;)
      3. +1
        29 October 2013 23: 06
        Quote: Mops
        Why gays can't stand up for their rights

        So you fight for gay rights? It is clear where such pathological hatred comes from.
  89. 0
    29 October 2013 10: 47
    Freedom of speech must have strictly defined boundaries. Propaganda and discussions on issues of misanthropy (fascism), persecution on ethnic and religious grounds should be strictly prohibited. There is an urgent need to legally prohibit talk of the formation of “autonomies” on Russian territory. This is disastrous for Russia. We need to fight this.
    1. pug
      pug
      -1
      29 October 2013 19: 28
      Should we ban hatred of government deputies and Putin, as well as Russian judges and prosecutors?
  90. 0
    29 October 2013 13: 49
    http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949989385722

    Moscow and Chechnya have become leaders in social inequality
    RBC daily
    Today, 12: 36

    The highest level of social inequality, namely the gap between the salaries of rich and poor, was recorded in Chechnya, Moscow, Dagestan and Tyva. Researchers note that wage inequality in Russia is approximately at the level of Japan or Portugal.
  91. pug
    pug
    -1
    29 October 2013 19: 11
    Quote: dimyan
    What you are talking about is either stupidity or hatred. In both cases, these “ladies” are bad advisers.


    What’s wrong with hatred of Russian deputies, judges and prosecutors, as well as creatures called Vladimir Putin and Ramzan Kadyrov. That is, to those people who take away your freedom and money, and even have the audacity to teach you what to do. To get rid of these creatures, you can liquidate the Russian state.
  92. VI Kacheev
    0
    30 October 2013 07: 35
    Is the forum administration specifically focusing attention on this “fraud article”?
    It seems like it’s time to forget about this modern falsification of regional separatism! There is a fact surrender, by modern Muscovite rulers, territories where there was influence of the USSR, namely: Eastern Europe, territories the USSR itself - Baltic countries! Now the Muscovites are rulers, most likely they will pass Ukraine! But someone pug turns the problem into a topic of hatred towards the State Duma.
    There are a lot of comments, so I’ll give a copy of this certain Mopc:
    Mops RU October 28, 2013 22:14
    Firstly, in terms of qualifications, state parliament deputies are no better, if not worse, than an ordinary lawyer or manager at a car dealership. And they should receive no more than that.
    And secondly, in Russia it is better to do without deputies altogether - let the American or British occupation rule better administration than all kinds of Putin, Zhirinovsky, Yarovye, Schlegel and Zheleznyaki.
    I have highlighted: ... let the American or British occupation rule better ...
    Someone Mops - THIS IS ALREADY THE HARD FUCKING TRUTH!!!
    LATE WITH YOUR OFFER!!!
    WHY IS THERE SO MUCH Idle Nonsense ABOUT THE STATE DUMA?!
    THE STATE DUMA WILL DO THIS DECORATION AS THE Washington Regional Committee SAYS!!!

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