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How to eliminate Bandera

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How to eliminate Bandera



October 15 The 1959 of the year in Munich, during an operation carried out by the KGB, killed the leader of the Ukrainian nationalists Stepan Bandera. This date was a reason to remind (and those who do not know - to tell) about how it was, to talk about Bandera himself and his role in stories Ukraine.

Munich resident Stefan Popel

October 15 1959 was delivered to a hospital in Munich with a blood-soaked face. The neighbors of the victim who called the doctors knew him as Stefan Popel. When the doctors arrived, Popel was still alive. But the doctors did not have time to save him. Popel died on the way to the hospital, without regaining consciousness. Doctors could only ascertain death and establish its cause. Although the one delivered had a crack at the base of the skull, which was obtained during a fall, heart failure was the immediate cause of death.

When viewed on Popele found a holster with a pistol, this was the reason for a call to the police. The police officers who arrived arrived quickly and established that the real name of the deceased was Stepan Bandera, and he is the leader of the Ukrainian nationalists. The body was examined again, more carefully. One of the doctors drew attention to the smell of bitter almond, walking from the face of the deceased. Unclear suspicions were confirmed: Bandera was killed: poisoned with cyanide potassium.

Preface required - 1: OUN

The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) originated in Western Ukraine in 1929 in response to the oppression of the Ukrainian population of Galicia by the Polish authorities. According to the agreement of 1921, Poland pledged to give Ukrainians equal rights, autonomy, university and Poles to create all conditions for national and cultural development.

In fact, the Polish authorities pursued a policy of forcible assimilation, polishing and polishing against Galicians. In local governments, only Poles were appointed to all positions. Closed Greek Catholic churches and monasteries. In few Ukrainian-language schools, Polish teachers taught. Ukrainian teachers and priests were persecuted. Reading rooms were closed, Ukrainian literature was destroyed.

The Ukrainian population of Galicia responded with mass actions of disobedience (refusal to pay taxes, participate in the census, in elections to the Senate and Sejm, serve in the Polish army) and acts of sabotage (arson of military warehouses and government offices, telephone and telegraph damage, attack on gendarmes) . In 1920, the former military personnel of the UPR and ZUNR created the Ukrainian Army (Ukrainian Military Organization), which became the basis of the OUN created in 1929.

Prerequisite Preface - 2: Stepan Bandera

Bandera was born in 1909 year in the family of a Greek Catholic priest, a supporter of the independence of Ukraine. Already in the 4 class, the Bandera gymnasium became a member of the semi-legal nationalist organization of students, took part in organizing actions to boycott and sabotage the decisions of the Polish authorities. In 1928, Stepan became a member of the VDU, and in 1929 - OUN.



Thanks to his outstanding organizational skills, he quickly became a leader. Since the beginning of the 30-s, the leadership of the organization entrusts Bandera with the organization of combat and terrorist actions. Bandera considers enemies not only Poland, but also Soviet Russia. He organizes the assassinations of the secretary of the Soviet consulate in Lviv, A. Mailova (October 1933) and the Minister of the Interior of Poland Peratsky (June 1934).

Since 1939, Bandera is a recognized leader of the revolutionary wing of the OUN, leader and ideological inspirer of the underground nationalist movement in Western Ukraine. The commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), Roman Shukhevych, has always stated that he reports exclusively to Bandera.

In the fall of 1949, the Supreme Court of the USSR at its closed meeting sentenced S. Bandera to an exceptional measure of punishment - the death penalty. The bodies were tasked to eliminate the leader of the OUN.

Bogdan Stashinsky liquidator

In May, 1958, the entire OUN leadership gathered in Rotterdam. May 23 at the city cemetery at the grave of the founder of the organization Yevgeny Konovalets held a mourning rally dedicated to the 20 anniversary of his death. (May 23 1938, Konovalets was killed by NKVD agent P. Sudoplatov.) Bandera spoke first at the rally. Among those present - a young man, according to the documents - Hans Joachim Budaight, a native of Dortmund. In fact, it was the KGB agent Bogdan Stashinsky, who was tasked with eliminating the OUN leader.



OUN member Stashinsky was recruited by the NKVD in 1950 year. His track record includes introducing Bandera into the squadron and the subsequent destruction of the gang, killing one of the OUN leaders Lev Rebeta in 1957. From 1958, his goal is Bandera. Stashinsky arrived in Rotterdam for the sole purpose of seeing the “object” of the future action in person. He gazes at the speaker.



Everything is ready for the operation

In May 1959, Stashinsky arrived in Munich. It is somewhere here, according to the KGB operative data, that S. Bandera lives under a false name. By October, Stashinsky tracked down Bandera and found his address - Kristmanstrasse, 7. Liquidator received a secret weapon - double-barreled cylinder with a spring and a trigger mechanism, charged with ampoules with hydrocyanic acid (potassium cyanide). Under the influence of a pore charge of low power, the ampoules are broken up, the poison is thrown a distance up to the 1 meter. The person who has inhaled the couple loses consciousness, the victim's heart stops. The performer of the action himself takes a drug that neutralizes the effect of the poison.



That is how Stashinsky in 1957 was killed Lev Rebet. The operation to eliminate Rebet was successful: the doctors stated that he died of a heart attack. Now it's Bandera's turn.

Liquidation

15 October around 12: 50 Stashinsky, a few minutes ahead of Bandera, comes into the entrance of the house and rises several spans up. Hearing the front door slam, he put an antidote pill under his tongue and began to descend. Having come up with Bandera, Stashinsky threw forward his hand with the cylinder wrapped in a newspaper and released a jet of poison right in the face of the OUN leader. Without slowing down or looking around, the agent headed for the exit. Already closing the door, he heard the sound of a fallen body behind his back.



In Moscow, the KGB Chairman, A. Shelepin personally congratulated the agent on the successfully completed assignment and in a solemn atmosphere handed him the Order of the Red Banner. Taking the opportunity, Stashinsky asked Shelepin for permission to marry his long-time girlfriend, East German Inga Pol, and received consent.

Defector stashinsky

Inga, whom Bogdan, in violation of all instructions, told about his service in the KGB, became frightened and began to persuade her husband to flee to the West. Almost 2, she convinced Stashinsky that sooner or later the KGB would liquidate him as an unnecessary witness, and in the end she was able to persuade him to flee. August 12 1961, just one day ahead of the beginning of the construction of the Berlin Wall, the couple Stashinsky crossed the border, dividing the city into sectors. Bogdan surrendered to the police and appealed to the authorities for political asylum. He spoke in detail about the actions he carried out to destroy the political opponents of the Kremlin. The trial of the defector in Karlsruhe was widely reported in the international press (except for the Soviet one) and even caused some changes in the German law system. Stashinsky was given 8 years.

After trial

The echo of the Karlsruhe process has reached the USSR. Only its consequences were slightly different ... Alexander Shelepin, the Iron Shurik Chairman of the KGB, and his 17 KGB officers of the highest ranks lost his post.

Of the years awarded to 8, Stashinsky served four years. After release, his tracks are lost. There are versions that with the help of plastic surgery they changed his appearance and then transported him to South Africa. There is information on the Internet that, allegedly at the beginning of 2000's, two elderly foreigners, a man and a woman, came to the native village of Stashinsky Borshevichi near Lvov. And it seems that one of the villagers recognized in the old man a native of this village, Bogdan Stashinsky, a former KGB officer who began his career in the bodies with treason, betraying it and ending it.

What was the significance for Ukraine of the OUN struggle?

We will try to get rid of ideological biases (although it is difficult) and impartially evaluate the activities of Bandera for Ukraine. Was she a boon?

What are the chances of winning OUN?

1. No external support. (The partisan of Belarus was supported by Moscow, the Afghan Mujahideen - by the USA, the Chechen militants - by the Islamic world, the UPA - by no one).

2. Scattered detachments were confronted by the winning army in World War II.

3. They fought the nationalist underground against the NKVD, the MGB and SMERSH, whose employees perfected their professionalism in the fight against the Abwehr and the Zeppelin SD.

4. At the head of the state was a leader who did not hesitate to make tough and even cruel decisions.

What could all this oppose OUN? The story itself has long ago answered this question: the underground movement in Ukraine was eventually defeated, and the “legacy” of Bandera “hiccups” to this day in Ukraine, which remained a divided power.

As it was in Poland ...

With their latest order from 19.01.1945, the leadership of the Home Army, thanking all their soldiers for serving their homeland, freed them from the oath and declared self-dissolution. Yes, Soviet Poland was not the state that many Poles dreamed of. But the AK leadership recognized the futility of the struggle in Poland occupied by the Red Army and did not blow up the flames of civil war. Not all AKovtsy laid down their arms, but this was already a personal choice of each individual, to which the AK leadership no longer had anything to do.

... And like in Ukraine

Bandera until the last day of his life was a supporter of the struggle with the Soviet authorities. Neither the chronicles personnel nor the records of his speeches survived, but all contemporaries are unanimous in their opinion: he was a charismatic leader capable of persuading and leading people. And people followed him. Thousands, tens of thousands of men and women — the best representatives of the Ukrainian people, their pride, its color, its gene pool, ready to die for Ukraine, at the call of Bandera, were included in the struggle and died, died, died.

Huge victims were carried by civilians. Anyone who gave a member of the UPA fighter or a UPA fighter a piece of bread, shmat lard or a piece of milk became an accomplice and paid a heavy price for it. Tens of thousands were repressed, imprisoned, camped, evicted. The NKVD troops following in the footsteps of the UPA did not fight in white gloves. (From the report: “500 bandits and their accomplices were destroyed during the operation, 15 rifles were captured” 500 / 15! Comments needed?)

Those who closed the door in front of “the fighters for the freedom of Ukraine” were enrolled in the “accomplices of the Muscovites”. Executions of apostates were so terrible (atrocities!) That death from a bullet or a loop was bestowed as the greatest mercy that still had to be earned! Not only support, but also the fear of the people held the nationalist underground.

Civil war in Ukraine

The fight against the UPA was conducted not only by the forces of the NKVD troops, but also by fighter battalions formed from the population of the same districts and villages. The hawks and Bandera faced in battle were often fellow villagers, they knew each other by name and face. Ukrainians killed Ukrainians. How many of them died in the civil war inflated by Bandera? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

So who says there that Bandera is the glory of Ukraine?

Bandera is the trouble of Ukraine.
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  1. SHILO
    SHILO 28 October 2013 09: 41
    49
    Shortly, the dog canine death (for the four-legged I apologize for the dumb comparison)!
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 28 October 2013 11: 15
      +7
      Removed from the language .... nothing to add hi
    2. nnz226
      nnz226 28 October 2013 15: 03
      +9
      For a long time digging, since they were sentenced in 1949, why did they delay for 10 years ?! In those years, our organ experts were "ahead of the rest!" Kohl Sudoplatov Failed Konovalets before the war, then after ... And so, Comrade. Stalin was still a humanist, since all sorts of shortcomings are still alive (they did not rot in the camps and did not receive a well-deserved bullet) that they have the audacity to march through the streets of Square ...
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 28 October 2013 15: 51
        +6
        hi
        So who says there that Bandera is the glory of Ukraine?
        Bandera is the trouble of Ukraine.


        No comment ...
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 28 October 2013 17: 57
          0
          the photo can not be seen, very small :(
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 28 October 2013 18: 02
            +3
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            the photo can not be seen, very small :(


            And you right-click, and select "open image" - the chest will open. hi
            1. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 28 October 2013 18: 11
              0
              170 by 250 pixels is small,
              and my IE does not offer "open image"
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 28 October 2013 18: 26
                +3
                Quote: Mature Naturalist
                170 by 250 pixels is small,
                and my IE does not offer "open image"


                So, nothing new. Carpathian Indians hung up posters on the arch with inscriptions praising Hitler and Bandera, as well as the saying hai jive ukroinska derzhava. After that, inspired and inspired by such words, they probably went about their usual business - tearing out gold crowns from people tormented by them.
        2. Combitor
          Combitor 29 October 2013 07: 24
          +4
          Bandera is also a disgrace to Ukraine. It is not clear why now in Ukraine this geek is exposed as the savior of the Ukrainian people. Do they really give a damn about the memory of the victims of Bandera?
          Still, history should put everything in its place and give everyone merit. And the word "Bandera" will mean only the most disgusting, dirty and terrible thing that can be in human life.
          This is especially true of "pop stars", the so-called "Russian-chansonniers", but simply performers of thug songs who like to take different pseudonyms for themselves (Eduard Izmestyev, who took the pseudonym "Bandera").
    3. catapractic
      catapractic 28 October 2013 22: 47
      0
      you can’t say better
    4. alexey garbuz
      alexey garbuz 28 October 2013 23: 11
      +1
      The article only touches on the mention of the oppression by the Galicians. And why not open the topic completely - how did the Poles and Austrians cut Galicians, persuading them to betray faith and nationality? Or is it in the order of things? It was, of course, a mistake to confront the Soviet regime, but there, too, the Poles put their hands, acting under the guise of Soviet power. And where was the poor peasant to go, when for the slightest disobedience they received not an explanation, but a free ticket to Anadyr.
  2. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 28 October 2013 09: 42
    +9
    "A dog's death!" Although I love dogs, I can't say otherwise!
  3. Gur
    Gur 28 October 2013 09: 48
    17
    It was not necessary to poison him, but to judge and hang him in front of the people. And the author is in vain here trying to tell us a fairy tale about a white bull, tea is still distinguishing forget-me-not from shit. the author also skillfully avoids sharp corners and unpleasant things in the history of Bandera and the UPA. He is deliberately lying about the fact that no one has supported the UPA, is silent about the monstrous actions on the territory of Poland and Belarus of the UPA and other "liberators". He is a fascist and a fascist in Africa. And in general, it seems that since the time of Mazepa, his descendants in Ukraine are growing more and more. Well, God forbid that they would have ended their days just like their ancestor.
  4. Echo
    Echo 28 October 2013 09: 49
    20
    It remains only to bow to those noble people who destroyed this sadistic schizophrenic, a fascist feeding.
  5. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 28 October 2013 09: 51
    +2
    Stepan Andreevich Bandera, in my opinion, was a dreamer. At the same time, the dreamer, who was further than his small homeland, Western Ukraine, did not see anything, and knew little. He did not see the industrialized East, he did not see that Ukrainians in the East have schools, there are universities, that in the Ukrainian SSR Ukrainians can fully learn, work, in general, live. And what was the fate of those who lived in the memory? Well, maybe, if you are very lucky, then to start your own farm, and to get a higher / secondary technical education is a real thing for a simple Ukrainian.
    Maybe he would make a good agronomist, who knows.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 10: 20
      15
      Quote: Fuzeler
      Maybe he would make a good agronomist, who knows.


      What happened is dwarf (height 1m 58cm) but a very vicious passive gay cannibal who realizes his inferiority and dreams of unlimited power.

      At the funeral of tasted delicious sweets from Pasha Sudoplatova Konovalets. In the group of "mourners" Bandera is the most scanty.



      Among peers. Evil louse in the center.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 28 October 2013 10: 31
        24
        Quote: Hudo
        At the funeral of tasted delicious sweets from Pasha Sudoplatova Konovalets.


        According to the memoirs of Pavel Sudoplatov, the proposal to kill Konovalets was put forward by Joseph Stalin himself.
        - And what are the tastes, weaknesses and attachments of Konovalets? Try to use them.

        “The Konovalets loves chocolates very much,” I replied, adding that wherever we went with him, he first of all bought a chic box of chocolates.
        “Think it over,” Stalin suggested.

        The manufacture of a murder weapon disguised as a box of chocolates was entrusted to an employee of the operational-technical facilities department, Alexander Timashkov. As a result, he managed to create such a device in which the clockwork did not have to be powered by a special switch - the explosion automatically occurred exactly half an hour after the box was moved from a vertical to a horizontal position. Thus, Sudoplatov should have kept the box in the first position in the large inner pocket of his jacket, and when transferring Konovalets to turn it horizontally. For half an hour of the subsequent work of the clockwork, Sudoplatov had to say goodbye to the future victim, leave the meeting place and begin to leave the rally.
        P. Sudoplatov - I entered the restaurant, sat down with him, and after a short conversation we agreed to meet again in the center of Rotterdam at 17:00. I handed him a gift, a box of chocolates, and said that I should now return to the ship. Leaving, I put the box on the table next to him. We shook hands, and I went out, restraining my instinctive desire to immediately rush to run.
        Hastily paying for a beer and leaving the restaurant, Sudoplatov turned into a side street, on either side of which there were numerous shops. In the first of them, where men's clothing was sold, he acquired a light cloak and a hat. Soon, at about 12:15, Konovalets came out of Atlanta, having paid. Turning onto Colesingel Street, he apparently headed to his hotel and soon stopped in front of the Lumiere Cinema. At this moment, several passers-by saw a large club of smoke, rapidly rising to a height of several meters above the sidewalk, and after a moment they heard a short, loud pop that resembled the burst of a heavy artillery shell in the air.
        Right and left I see flying legs and arms. Bloody mass, his body flies on a large scale behind the sidewalk and falls twenty meters into the street. I feel shock from a heavy blast of air, but I keep on my feet. The gentleman who walks in front of me falls and his clothes burn (...) All this lasted a few seconds. Immediately after the explosion, a wild crash of broken glass is heard. Glasses are flying from all sides to the street. I run away to the carriageway to avoid flying fragments of glass ... described the incident witness Konovalets death, a resident of Rotterdam G. de Jong.

        Candies Sudoplatovskie
        Oleg Gorbunov Ru
        There is no better gift for enemies
        than a box of Sudoplatian sweets.
        The dream of any sweet tooth
        dark chocolate, and hazelnuts.

        And a huge plus,
        they have a special taste,
        elite style, metropolitan gloss,
        they really blow the brain.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 28 October 2013 11: 11
          15
          Quote: Hudo
          According to the memoirs of Pavel Sudoplatov
          I very much at one time (at the dawn of perestroika) liked Sudoplatov's answer to one TV journalist (close to the text): "Konovalets? Yes ... We were friends ... But he could not stand my friendship and died ...". And I remember the expression on his face at that moment was so cunningly innocent ...
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 October 2013 15: 17
        +5
        Quote: Hudo
        dwarfish (height 1m 58cm)

        No wonder they say a small bug, but smelly. Napoleon and Hitler were also shorties. And Putin and Medvedev did not succeed ... laughing
      3. catapractic
        catapractic 28 October 2013 22: 49
        +1
        small bug and smelly
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 October 2013 10: 57
      17
      Quote: Fuzeler
      Stepan Andreevich Bandera, in my opinion, was a dreamer.

      Do not expect! Pretty dreamer!
      "Our power must be terrifying." The Bandera directive “The struggle and activities of the OUN during the war” was published in peacetime. But its contents became a guide to action for both members of the organization and for the UPA warriors. “Russians should be handed over as captives to Germans, and more dangerous elements shot ... Political commissars and well-known communists should be shot ... In times of chaos and disorder, you can afford to destroy unwanted Polish, Jewish elements ... In particular, you need to destroy the intelligentsia of these nationalities ... Our government should be terrifying. It is necessary to draw up “black lists” of all those Ukrainians who tried to pursue their policies in a timely manner ... ”
      http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/istoriya/863.php
      Until 1939, the situation was as follows. On the territory of the current western regions of Ukraine there were no more than 4 thousand schools. After the advent of Soviet power in September 1939, 6739 elementary, incomplete secondary and secondary schools were formed in the western regions of Ukraine. Until 1939, there were no secondary schools at all in the villages, and Soviet power organized 35. Until 1939, there was only 371 Ukrainian school, and in 1940-1941, they were organized by 5798.
      At the beginning of the school year 1940 — 1941. in the Lviv region, instead of the 814 primary and secondary schools that existed earlier, 1204 schools were opened with the number of students 227525 people, that is, the number of students increased against the 1938 — 1939 school year by 743587 people. The number of Ukrainian schools increased from 91 to 1202, literacy schools were organized by 263, which included 7890 people, organized by 4 higher education institutions, 1102 clubs, 211 libraries, 7 state museums, 5 theaters.
      On October 5 on October 1939, Lviv State University began work. At the beginning of the 1940 — 1941 school year, in the western regions there were 9 universities, in which thousands of students studied, and also 10,2 specialized secondary schools where thousands of students received 33 knowledge.
      Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the Ukrainian SSR of January 2 1940 in Lviv on the basis of the Scientific Society named after T.G.Shevchenko created branches of the institutes of the Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian SSR - literature, linguistics, folklore, archeology, history and economics.
      XXXX
      What, Bandera "did not know" all this? Vraki! I just wanted to be the new "hetman". And for his own purposes, he did not hesitate to kill his own people, for example Bulba-Borovets, because he was indignant that Ukrainians were being killed, and also went to bow to Hitler, only to destroy the power of the Bolsheviks.
      1. Dmitry_24rus
        Dmitry_24rus 28 October 2013 20: 58
        +4
        Fidget, your comment is beyond praise.
        Imagine hanging this text next to the Bandera propaganda? :-)
        It is a pity that ext. Ukraine’s policy is turning towards the West.
        There will be whining, gay ropa will calculate the costs and leave Ukraine with a nose.
    3. user
      user 28 October 2013 11: 35
      +7
      After such dreamers or failed artists, mountains of corpses remain, and their biographers then name the reasons why these outstanding and easily vulnerable individuals could not do otherwise
  6. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 28 October 2013 09: 52
    22
    Sometimes it is regrettable that now the FSB does not use ice axes, because so many traitors and all evil spirits escaped, which requires retaliation.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 28 October 2013 11: 02
      +7
      Well now it’s not in fashion - the British and BEREZOVSKY did this job instead of the FSB in the old proven way (with a rope with soap).
      Boris was probably shocked by the hosts and so brazenly treated him.
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 28 October 2013 15: 02
      +1
      Why not use - heart attacks also occur on time, Alexander Otrakovsky for example.
      On the contrary, now experts are overloaded, trainees even throw up passports.
    3. nerd.su
      nerd.su 4 February 2014 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      Sometimes it is regrettable that now the FSB does not use ice axes

      So the 21st century! Now polonium rules ... repeat
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 October 2013 09: 58
    +3
    There are Bender ... like G .. !! And we have ours ... unfortunately (((
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 October 2013 10: 14
      0
      So Bender or Bandera?
      1. moskov1
        moskov1 28 October 2013 13: 29
        -7
        Galicia and not Galicia. from the Galician principality. we do not speak Rusland in Russia in German.
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 28 October 2013 18: 10
          +6
          We communicate in Russian. And do not speak Rusland, so see below:
          ---
          Galicia (also Galicia) (Ukrainian. Galicia, Polish. Galicja, German. Galizien)
          Galicia is called only Eastern Galicia.
          Wiki
          ---
          GALITSIA - the historical name of part of the Western Ukrainian and Polish lands (modern Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Ternopil region of Ukraine, Rzeszow and most of the Krakow voivodships of Poland), captured by the Austrian Empire in the 1st (1772, East Galicia) and the 3rd ( 1795, Western Galicia) sections of the Commonwealth. In 1772-1918 the province of the Habsburg Empire (the official name is the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria with the Eastern Duchy of Krakow). Since 1918 as part of Poland. East Galicia since 1939 as part of Ukraine.
          Big Encyclopedic Dictionary. 2000.
          1. moskov1
            moskov1 28 October 2013 20: 00
            -1
            that’s why the Poles spoke to Galicia that they were Poles and spoke Polish
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 28 October 2013 20: 17
              +3
              Quote: moskov1
              that’s why the Poles spoke to Galicia that they were Poles and spoke Polish


              Map of the Pole. This document is very popular in Galicia. So, according to the Central State Historical Archive of Ukraine in Lviv, the number of requests for documents confirming the corresponding pedigree has grown by 10-15% to almost 2 thousand over the past year, and doubled since 2008.
              http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/1610986-korrespondent-radi-karty-polyaka
              -ukraincy-massovo-ishchut-korni-v-sosednej-strane

              So the Poles live there or underpolishes.
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              2. Alex
                Alex 15 January 2014 00: 12
                +2
                Quote: Hudo
                Map of the Pole.
                This document is a very interesting provocative article. In the regions of western Ukraine and Belarus (eastern Kresses, as they say), this piece of paper is used as a document to protect their influence and, accordingly, to promote "democratic ideas." A very interesting correlation: the more a person yells about protecting "the national interests of Ukraine / Belarus", the more efforts he makes to obtain the coveted document. enabling him to facilitate border crossing. Everything is as before: the pieces of silver must be worked out.
        2. Saburov
          Saburov 29 October 2013 00: 08
          +3
          For lovers of independence and Ukrainian nationalists, you are illiterate logs, since it’s not a heresy that you do not know history and, in fact, protest against yourself because Malaya Rus (tracing paper from Greek-Greek Μικρὰ Ῥωσσία), Malaya Rossiya, later Malorossiya, less often Little Russia is the name of Byzantine origin, used to designate two regions: in the XIV-XV centuries of the lands of the Galicia-Volyn principality, and from the XVI century all the lands of South-West Russia. In Russia from the XVII to the beginning of the XX century it was used as the name of the historical region and the Little Russian province. In the 20th century, as a result of the Ukrainianization policy launched in the USSR, the name Little Russia turned out to be illegal and was replaced by the toponym “Ukraine”.
    2. Sirozha
      Sirozha 28 October 2013 10: 33
      0
      You were there? Do not trust everything that is brought to you from the box!
      And by the way, Bender is a city in Molodov ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 October 2013 15: 51
        +2
        Well, there are many anti-Soviet "natsiks" in Ukraine, you cannot argue with that. And we also have such. and what does the box have to do with it?

        And about BЕndery - my "jamb", I admit
        1. Alex
          Alex 15 January 2014 00: 15
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          And about Bendery, my "jamb", I admit
          Nothing, drugan, many are mistaken. But, unfortunately, I talked so much with these pad ... they communicated that in a dream I will not confuse. And how does the earth carry it?
      2. jjj
        jjj 29 October 2013 01: 43
        +1
        In Moldova or Transnistria?
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2013 10: 12
    +6
    How much the fucking Bandera's broom screwed up. Dog stinky. Such and such death.
  9. avt
    avt 28 October 2013 10: 16
    11
    How was Bandera liquidated? Good luck.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 28 October 2013 11: 06
      +7
      Quote: avt
      How was Bandera liquidated? Good luck.

      And technically ... repeat
      1. George
        George 28 October 2013 12: 18
        +7
        Quote: retired
        Quote: avt
        How was Bandera liquidated? Good luck.

        And technically ... repeat

        It is also reliable and practical. yes
        1. George
          George 28 October 2013 12: 47
          +5
          Quote: GEORGE
          Quote: retired
          Quote: avt
          How was Bandera liquidated? Good luck.

          And technically ... repeat

          It is also reliable and practical. yes

          I can’t say cheaply, but the Union never stinted on showing the length of its hands to apostates and traitors, as well as to those who hoped that distance was the key to calm. And this is a great example.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 28 October 2013 15: 22
            +2
            Quote: GEORGE
            I can’t say cheaply, but the Union never stinted on showing the length of its hands to apostates and traitors

            Rezun-Suvorov forgot what? Or implemented so specifically?
            1. George
              George 28 October 2013 17: 12
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Rezun-Suvorov forgot what? Or implemented so specifically?

              Yes, I didn’t forget of course. There were more of them than a reason.
              http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/1487-%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8-%d0%bf%d1%80%d0
              %b5%d0%b4%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%b8-%d1%80%d0%be%d0%b4%d0%b8%d0%bd%d1%83/
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 October 2013 16: 15
                +2
                Thanks for the link. But some facts are not accurate. GRU officer I. Akhmedov. He was one of those who carried out pre-war purges in foreign residency offices of the Intelligence Agency. After 1940 he became a resident in Turkey, and in May 1942 he unexpectedly appeared in the Turkish police, said that he wanted to surrender, as he was outraged by the repression of Crimean Tatars in the USSR. He told everything that he knew about the work of the resident offices of the GRU and the INO in Ankara and Istanbul. Moscow demanded that he be extradited, but Turkey refused and sent Akhmedov to the Princes' Islands in the Sea of ​​Marmara. After the war, he converted to Islam, in 1948 he ended up in the United States. He worked as a consultant at the CIA intelligence school. He wrote the book “The Tatar's Escape from the Intelligence of the Red Army”.
                Tatars were deported in 44, so this surrendered for other reasons. The GRU is often mentioned, and the West was not known about the GRU before Rezun.
                1. George
                  George 29 October 2013 23: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But some facts are not accurate.

                  Thank you for clarification.
  10. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 28 October 2013 11: 04
    +7
    And what a woman is annoying, huh? Persuaded, persuaded, well, and convinced her husband to cooperate with the enemy!
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 28 October 2013 11: 06
    +4
    Bandera is the trouble of Ukraine.
    Misfortune and shame.
    1. major1976
      major1976 28 October 2013 22: 12
      0
      And still about him as Herostratus still remember !!! Is there a lot of honor of this bastard ???
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 28 October 2013 22: 37
        +1
        Quote: major1976
        And still about him as Herostratus still remember !!! Is there a lot of honor of this bastard ???


        I saw a documentary in which intelligence officers directly involved in planning, preparing for the elimination of this scum, unanimously declared that at the time of the liquidation of the banderk it was a political corpse that no one needed a slimy scum of foreign intelligence. And that they themselves with their own hands blinded the hero for the current nonsense babies, although they unanimously said that the purely human Bandera died too late and too easy a death.
  12. Centaurus
    Centaurus 28 October 2013 11: 49
    0
    If 4estno, then the people, those who followed Bandera, but those who got from the NKVD or from the UPA, I am so sorry.
    Especially just "yunakiv ta div4at" ... crying
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 12: 13
      +2
      Quote: Centaur
      If 4estno, then the people, those who followed Bandera, but those who got from the NKVD or from the UPA, I am so sorry.
      Especially just "yunakiv ta div4at" ... crying


      Why are you sorry for them? While their dwarf hührer was treating the consequences of rickets, which he was ill in childhood, soaking his puny torso in the Dead Sea. (By the way, among the Jews so hated by him.)
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      His followers sat on caches and huts.
      And they were sitting there not very fun.
      “Normally laid 60–75 grams of fat or home-made sausage stored in aluminum cans buried in the bunker floor, and a couple of crackers for the first weeks created the illusion of more or less tolerable nutrition. Then trouble came. The intestines refused to function normally. ” (from the memoirs of a banderast-minus.
      And you won’t guess that the caches could be found not only by the specific aroma of its inhabitants, but also by the “smell of a woman”, if this appeared to be among the sitters.

      “Women were reluctantly taken to the bunker underground, - Monthly biological women's cycles made everyone in the bunker suffer — blood decomposes instantly, filling a small space with the heavy smell of rot” ... He quotes one of the UPA fighters: “It's good that the girls in the bunker don’t it was, otherwise it would be even harder for all of us. I remember that in the last two years in a row I had a bunker with two messengers, there were such good girls ... And every two or three weeks it was so hard to breathe in the cache, although weeping, and you can’t go upstairs - the soldiers and dogs looked for us. ”
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 28 October 2013 12: 28
        +2
        http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/viewTopic--id--430367 It sets out what questions very worried the Führer-Bandera. Looks like they fought hard, once and for such a time was. laughing
  13. individual
    individual 28 October 2013 11: 52
    +7
    For all Soviet people, Bandera is a household name-bandit.
    There is no "sign" on his trident for the self-appointed members of Ukraine, and it is made in the name of the killer of the Ukrainian people.
    This name does not unite Ukrainians, but they are even more divided not only geographically east-west, but also according to ideology, culture, religion, where Orthodoxy is opposed to Catholics, and other unions of the western church.
  14. Cristall
    Cristall 28 October 2013 13: 18
    +4
    In general, you can make a hero out of Jack the Ripper ... but what - he cleared the streets, fought crime (we’ll omit the methods)
    With Bender, it’s just the case that part of society (mainly Western Ukraine) considers him a hero and a fighter for Ukraine. I don’t know why the image is imposed on all of Ukraine - in particular, east and south - where they did not know him and could rightly be considered an enemy and a traitor.
    The very process of imposing is already causing a "war of monuments" (2 Bendera monuments were recently destroyed) in response to the encroachments on the monuments of Soviet soldiers.
    If my opinion is on the side of people who think that this is the enemy. But if you think deeply, I can’t say that my opinion should be imposed on people who sincerely believe in his heroism (everyone’s personal affair here, Satan is also a hero of some people)
    The constitution guarantees the freedom of thought of the word - but at the same time, the freedom of each ends where the freedom of the other begins.
    For me, one thing is important - that they do not impose their heroes on me. And let our monuments be left alone. Yes, and the language. This is basically the only disagreement. And so everything is in order in our country, as far as domestic relations are concerned.
    1. Alex
      Alex 15 January 2014 00: 23
      +2
      Quote: Cristall
      In general, you can make a hero out of Jack the Ripper ... but what - he cleared the streets, fought crime
      Cristall, clever, thank you very much! This is the argument! How many times I wanted to come up with something biting, but from hatred of this nationalist svolo .. and only obscenities came to mind. Now there is a more intelligent slap in the face. Otherwise, we (I myself am a Ukrainian, I just live in Belarus) and among some "intellectuals" there are fiery Nazis. hi
  15. biglow
    biglow 28 October 2013 13: 37
    +4
    he was kind, Stalin, he couldn’t cut down all this infection .. sorry ... soon the banderlogs will come running to minus all laughing
  16. atos_kin
    atos_kin 28 October 2013 13: 45
    +1
    “Huge casualties were borne by the civilian population. Everyone who gave an underground member or an UPA fighter a piece of bread, a piece of bacon or a jar of milk, became an accomplice and paid harshly for it. Tens of thousands were repressed, imprisoned, camps, evicted. The NKVD fought not in white gloves. (From the report: "during the operation, 500 bandits and their accomplices were destroyed, 15 rifles were captured" 500/15! Comments are needed?) "

    Put a minus to the author of the article. Something pitying becomes the "last" of the Nazis after such conclusions.
  17. MG42
    MG42 28 October 2013 13: 47
    +6
    add details to the UPA topic. This is rarely covered, but there was a split in OUN-b and OUN-m organization of nationalists of the OUN
    In 1939, an internal crisis matured at OUN. After the death of E. Konovalets, some of the old members of the OUN who were in exile, incl. most of the members of the Wire, led by Colonel A. Melnik, who were guided by Germany, tried to impose their views on the entire OUN. Young members of the OUN, who were in Ukraine, defended a policy of self-reliance. They were led by S. Bandera. There was a split, as a result of which two organizations were formed: OUN (m) - Melnikovtsy, and OUN (b) - Bandera. Most Security Officers Supported S. Bandera

    The leadership of the OUN (b) for training military personnel, using the contradictions in the ruling circles of Germany, agreed to an agreement with the representative of the Wehrmacht (OKW) T. Oberlander and Abwehr. With the permission of Ribbentrop and Keitel, two Ukrainian battalions, with a total strength of about 700 people, were formed to carry out sabotage behind enemy lines. The "Roland" and "Nachtigall" battalions were organizationally part of the "Brandenburg-800" regiment, subordinate to the head of the "Abwehr-III" (sabotage) department, E. Lachausen. "Nachtigall" under the command of R. Shukhevych entered Lvov together with the advanced units of the German army on June 30, 1941. Later, due to the sharp aggravation of the contradictions between the Germans and the OUN (b), the battalions were disbanded, and their personnel joined the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). Most of the officers were sent to concentration camps by the Germans.
    On April 30, 1941 in the house of Lviv "Prosvita" at a meeting of the National Assembly, the Act of Restoring the Independent Ukrainian State was announced. Deputy S. Bandera Y. Stetsko became the chairman of the government, another deputy, M. Lebed became the minister of state security. But the government did not last long. The German reaction was instantaneous. Already on June 5, 1941, S. Bandera was first arrested in Krakow under house arrest. On July 9, in Lviv, the Gestapo arrested Prime Minister Y. Stetsk and some ministers. They were all thrown into German concentration camps, where they were until the middle of 1944.


    http://oun-upa.org.ua/articles/sb.html

    Here is Shukhevych in German uniform photo >>

    And here is how Shukhevych was liquidated, a posthumous photo of Shukhevych, a bullet hole can be seen in his temple >>
  18. avt
    avt 28 October 2013 14: 12
    +4
    Inga, to whom Bogdan, in violation of all instructions, told about his service in the KGB, got scared and began to persuade her husband to flee to the West. For almost 2 years she convinced Stashinsky that sooner or later the KGB would liquidate him as an unnecessary witness, and in the end she was able to persuade him to escape. On August 12, 1961, just a day ahead of the construction of the Berlin Wall, the Stashinskys crossed the border dividing the city into sectors. Bogdan surrendered to the police and applied to the authorities for political asylum. He spoke in detail about the actions he carried out to destroy the political opponents of the Kremlin. The trial that took place over the defector in Karlsruhe was widely covered in the international press (except for the Soviet one) and even became the reason for introducing some changes to the system of German legislation. Stashinsky was given 8 years. ================== "I told him that taverns and women will bring him to the zugunder"
    1. Ivan Sirko
      Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 16
      -1
      Apparently, conscience tortured the killer.
  19. Petrik66
    Petrik66 28 October 2013 14: 17
    -1
    Well, today our brothers once again betrayed us. Nothing new, again there will be spells like: brotherly people, but their rulers are sellers. Well, why are they all the time - so they choose 400 years? Is it really not the people’s fault? Damned ....... this is a common theme of their conversations, their thoughts. How do I know? So I lived in Kiev in the early 90s. I think that we must finally get rid of them - divorce is so divorce.
    1. Fuzeler
      Fuzeler 28 October 2013 14: 37
      +4
      Respected! And you, in general, are often in Ukraine (I’m not saying for Kiev, for other cities, such as Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk)?
      What right do you have to say that? Here I remember, for example, my Dnepropetrovsk of the 90s (until 1998), so there, for example, I got the feeling that I came to such an ordinary South Russian city. NOBODY did not catch Ukrainian. Now, of course, everything is different, but now a generation has grown up in Ukraine that did NOT live with Russia, and therefore the situation is changing. But even now, in the streets of my beloved city, I have NEVER heard it, except for radios and televisions.
      And, by the way, in Dnepropetrovsk, for example, to S.A. Bandera people have a shitty attitude. There is no question of an alliance with Russia, people don’t want it, because they understand that in this form there will be a change of oligarchs and redistribution of property (while in Russia our mess is, who, besides such an enthusiast as the Old Man wants?).
      You’re talking about 400 years, right? That supposedly the people are not to blame. Good. And remember the episode of the Northern War, when it was the Ukrainian peasants who organized the partisan war on Karla. And I can give you a lot of examples of similar from History. Therefore, I beg you, dear, do not rush to say such a thing. I understand that you, apparently, in the early 90s encountered the Natsiks who came to Kiev in herds, in addition, Kiev, consider the 3rd capital of the USSR, therefore, you always had your ambition, especially after gaining independence.
      1. Sour
        Sour 28 October 2013 22: 04
        -7
        Quote: Fuzeler
        There is no question of an alliance with Russia, people don’t want it, because they understand that in this form there will be a change of oligarchs and redistribution of property (while in Russia our mess is, who, besides such an enthusiast as the Old Man wants?).

        "Old Man" is not an enthusiast, but a ghoul who has stuck to the Russian economy. One of my main complaints against the Kremlin is why not cut off the oxygen to this mustachioed Russophobe? I'm waiting.
        And as for those who "do not want to unite with Russia because of the oligarchs," I will say this - they are the most rabid Russophobes. Give them Russia as if on a platter, with the power that is simply wonderful. But there has never been such a power in Russia. They were all flawed. And you are either with Russia or against it. This and the Vlasovites said: "We are not against Russia, we are against the Bolsheviks." So the "giants" say the same thing, only they have oligarchs instead of the Bolsheviks. Your fellow countrymen from Dnepropetrovsk, who sing these songs, are the same as the Vlasovites. One to one.
        The surest sign of Russophobia is consumer attitude to Russia. This is what unites Lukashenko, and Kadyrov, and Svidomo-Dnepropetrovsk, and Vlasov, and Bandera.
        1. Ivan Sirko
          Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 18
          -1
          Everywhere enemies and traitors. Or maybe you should dig in yourself?
      2. major1976
        major1976 28 October 2013 22: 18
        +1
        I support at 100 !!! Not Russia quarreled with Ukraine (or vice versa) !!! And the ruling elites divorced two fraternal peoples for hanging out beautifully !!!
      3. Endrew
        Endrew 2 November 2013 22: 05
        -1
        Ukraine is becoming UKRAINE, not a rabble of Russians who call themselves Ukrainians!
    2. Vidok
      Vidok 1 November 2013 14: 26
      +1
      It is because of people like you, sir, that all this shit is happening between Russia and Ukraine. If you consider Russia to be the "older brother" among fifteen, then do not forget that in this case you are responsible for those whom you have tamed, and if you do not think, then there is nothing to argue about who chooses what monsters as rulers - sort it out first at yourself.
      Personally, I consider Russia to be an "older brother", and an older brother is always wiser and smarter. Throwing geyrope and the West to their mercy and shaking off their hands is the easiest option, but to help make the right decision to think, to set the right path for this, not superpower ambitions are needed, but wisdom and patience.
    3. Alex
      Alex 15 January 2014 00: 33
      +2
      Quote: Petrik66
      I think that we must finally get rid of them - divorce is so divorce.
      I myself do not hate the nationalist and Natsik with all my heart, but such statements ... Yes, and already divorced, much further, but who got better from this? Normal people living in Ukraine (both Ukrainians, and Russians, and all-all-all, to list for a long time) from this only darkness in my heart and longing in my heart. And you also fill in the collar ... Or would it be gratifying for you if a civil war began in Ukraine? And this is not far off, all these Maidans are not just that, the polarization of society is simply enormous. But here's a personal question for you: do not care about Ukraine, will it personally become more comfortable for you when they start shooting at 100 km from the border? And if the Natsiks win and NATO approaches the very borders of Russia, who will become happier from this? It seems to me that you and I are not ...
  20. roial
    roial 28 October 2013 14: 36
    +3
    There he is dear.
    1. moskov1
      moskov1 28 October 2013 20: 47
      0
      Here is a line from Joseph Brodsky’s poem “Presentation”: Moscow. This area is familiar to me as the outskirts of China
  21. Sineys
    Sineys 28 October 2013 15: 10
    -1
    On November 25, 1941, an order was sent to all lower levels of the security police and SD, which stated: “It has been irrefutably established that the Bandera movement is preparing an uprising in the Reichskomisariat (Ukraine), the goal of which is to create an independent Ukraine. All activists of the Bandera movement should be immediately arrested and, after thorough interrogation, secretly destroyed as robbers. " From the second half of October 1942, the German state security agencies in their reports from the occupied territories noted that in Bandera propaganda “the refusal to fight against Bolshevism is becoming more and more noticeable, the propaganda is almost exclusively directed against the German government, or the so-called German occupiers ( ...) the Bandera movement took a sharp stance against Germany, striving to achieve independence for Ukraine by all means, even through armed struggle. ”Reichskommissar Koch, reporting to Berlin, wrote that there were only two areas left in Volyn, free from“ gangs ”, And the German administration is fully functional only in the south of Podolia. In the spring of 1943, in their internal correspondence, the Nazis noted that they did not control 75% of the arable land in Volhynia and lost 52% of the supply of livestock. At the beginning of May 1943, the German General Commissioner of Volyn and Podillia Shyone noted in his report that in the regions of Gorokhov, Lyuboml, Dubno, Lutsk, Kremenets, "nationalist gangs" completely reign and further wrote: “What is happening here should be regarded like an uprising. ”Concerned about the difficult situation of the occupation authorities in Volhynia and Polissya, on May 5, 1943, Reich Minister of the Occupied Territories of the East A. Rosenberg arrived in Ukraine on a working visit. At a meeting in Rovno, he was told that "Ukrainian nationalists are causing more difficulties than Bolshevik gangs." The Lutsk District Commissioner said: “Almost all state farms are in the hands of gangs. The railroads are blown up, the roads can only be driven with an escort. Our forces cannot prevail over the gangs. Therefore, the population no longer cooperates with us ”. I will not mention that almost all of Bandera's relatives (no matter how you treat him) were destroyed either by the Nazis or by the KGB (the father was shot before the NKVD war, 3 sisters were exiled to the Krasnoyarsk Territory, 2 brothers were killed in 1942 in Auschwitz). In addition, in the fall of 1941, the Melnikovites in Kiev tried to form a Ukrainian government. But this attempt was also brutally suppressed. More than 1942 leading figures of the OUN-M, including the famous Ukrainian poetess 40-year-old Elena Teliga, who headed the Writers' Union of Ukraine, were arrested and executed in Babi Yar in early 35. So, not everything is as simple as someone would like to imagine.
    [img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTsFJKePzCk [/ img]
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 16: 34
      +6
      A group of historians from Ukraine wrote a letter to the director of the archive asking what kind of losses the German army suffered in the Second World War in battles with the OUN-UPA. A thoroughbred German, Lieutenant General Welt, with German punctuality replied that scientists in the central military historical archive of the Bundeswehr did not find data on the losses of the field units of the Wehrmacht or field police in clashes with the OUN-UPA. And the fables about the unprecedented losses of the Germans are just spreading cranberries.
      These are the "global" problems awaiting the decision of the Fuhrerks from the UPA.
      http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/viewTopic--id--430367
      Kovpak, Saburov or Fedorov did not even think of solving such problems - people fought with the enemy, they had no time for it.
      1. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 23
        -2
        Found whom to quote - blue elderberry love
    2. major1976
      major1976 28 October 2013 21: 56
      +1
      .................. Answer directly whether you like Bandera or not? Do you approve of his liquidation or grieve at his grave?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 28 October 2013 22: 06
        +3
        Quote: major1976
        Dear, do not wag members !!! Answer directly whether you like Bandera or not? Do you approve of his liquidation or grieve at his grave?


        Comrade Major 1976, if this is addressed to me, I sincerely regret that the banderka was not strangled before - I had already managed to spoil a lot of it until it died.
        1. major1976
          major1976 28 October 2013 22: 26
          -1
          Dear I assure you that my comment is not for yours but for Sineys (which is higher and with a yellow-black flag) !!! This is understandable and meaningful! I wrote not to you and all the questions to the moderator !!! To you with respect !!!
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 28 October 2013 22: 39
            0
            Quote: major1976
            Dear I assure you that my comment is not for yours but for Sineys (which is higher and with a yellow-black flag) !!! This is understandable and meaningful! I wrote not to you and all the questions to the moderator !!! To you with respect !!!


            Mutually respectfully !!! hi
      2. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 24
        -2
        mourn and respect.
    3. Alex
      Alex 15 January 2014 00: 55
      +2
      Sorry, dear Sineys, but everything is just plain and simple. All the purges you mentioned concerned the wing of the OUN-M (Melnikovites), who, instead of listening to the owners, arranged feuds with Bandera and Borovets-Bulba (that still fruit, knew how to present itself in such a way that some consider it almost an antipode of Bandera) ... As for the so-called Stetsk government, this is also not news - the Germans have always used such puppets: either ready-made (Antonescu in Romania and Horthy in Hungary), or they put it themselves (Josef Tiso in Slovakia). When it became clear that this "government" did not enjoy any authority among the people, and that it was getting in the way underfoot, the question was resolved with German pedantry: simply, radically and cheaply. Shedding tears over these adventurers is completely unnecessary.

      As for the newly-made "heroine of Ukraine" Olena Teliga. She, along with her fellow nationalists, handed in their former colleagues in the Communist Party with such passion that the Gestapo and the Abwehr simply did not have time to arrest them. And when, on the basis of outrageous betrayal, she and her husband Oleg (Oles) Olzhich were so dizzy that they decided that they could "swing a pen at dad," they were also shown their place. At Babi Yar.

      Moral - the Germans only used the Nazis, allowing them to destroy the Ukrainian people. Those who did not really submit and fought against fascism.
  22. kush62
    kush62 28 October 2013 16: 13
    +3
    [Quote:
    Maybe he would make a good agronomist, who knows.

    Well, you can go far. But Hitler was an artist, maybe he would be an artist?
    Bust however.
  23. Romanychby
    Romanychby 28 October 2013 16: 32
    +3
    Bad person.
  24. Olaf
    Olaf 28 October 2013 16: 33
    -12 qualifying.
    Konovalets? Yes ... We were friends ... But he could not stand my friendship and died ... "And I remember the expression on his face at that moment was so cunningly innocent ...
    Well, who is the sadist here, friends of the FSB?
    Regarding the mentioned Hudo, a hero-fighter of the information front, the growth of Bandera: can someone remember how tall the Kremlin heroes are? )))
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 16: 40
      +8
      [quote = Olaf] Konovalets? Yes ... We were friends ... But he could not stand my friendship and died ... "And I remember the expression on his face at that moment was so cunningly innocent ... [/ quote]
      Well, and who is the sadist here, friends of the FSB-shny? [/ Quote]
      Hmm, Polish children break their heads against walls or pregnant women tear open their bellies, this is not sadism at all. And to strangle cattle like a rat whose pathetic brain, except for atrocities, could not come up with anything - finally sadism.
      Is the Lviv pogrom of 1941 a sadism?


      [quote = Olaf] can someone remember how tall the Kremlin heroes are? )) [/ quote]

      What side is this to the content of the article? So miserable effort to turn the arrows.

      Here it is the real face of the Zapadensky Geyroy.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 28 October 2013 16: 54
        +3
        The real Bandera GEYRO and a role model for the current maniacs professing the teachings of the Swabian Jew to cross the Bandera.

        Smelling a maniac and a murderer, the Nazis immediately sent him a paper, to the trouble of people.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 28 October 2013 17: 02
          +1
          Pogroms in Lviv 1941. Another GEYRO OUN is identified personally.
        2. Ivan Sirko
          Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 26
          -1
          policeman ... funny.
      2. Olaf
        Olaf 28 October 2013 20: 56
        -7
        Well, why are you, gebnya, poking on all sites all these photos on which it is not clear who, where and when is captured. But all together write that it is Bandera. What do you think that everyone will just believe you? Or is it on the principle of the fascists and communists: the more impudent a lie is the more convincing it is?
        But documents with the exploits of valiant Chekists with corresponding prints and photographs are now full on the net, and erfiya, as the heiress of the USSR, for some reason is not in a hurry suing the publishers, because he knows that he will lose. But hiring bots and clogging the network with cheap propaganda is easy. I already wrote on this forum that only Western fascism was tried in Nuremberg. And today once again I am convinced of this.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 28 October 2013 21: 06
          +5
          Quote: Olaf
          Well, why are you, gebnya, poking on all sites all these photos on which it is not clear who, where and when is captured.


          In the ass! Do not recognize the native lions? laughing If you again get sick and see gebnya everywhere, ask the doctor to re-make you klystir, and then make sure that there is no NKVDeshnik in your own refrigerator where he used to enjoy your bacon.
        2. Proud.
          Proud. 28 October 2013 23: 36
          +2
          Quote: Olaf
          Well, what are you, gebnya

          Valeria Ilinichna, stop hiding!
        3. Alex
          Alex 15 January 2014 16: 57
          +2
          Quote: Olaf
          Or is it on the principle of the fascists and communists: the more impudent a lie is the more convincing it is?
          Actually, Goebbels said that. That one. that he was in charge of propaganda. Hitler. This is to someone who is confused in personalities.
      3. alexey garbuz
        alexey garbuz 28 October 2013 23: 34
        -2
        And I saw these photos with comments about the French women who lived with the Germans during the occupation of France.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 28 October 2013 23: 43
          +1
          Quote: alexey garbuz
          And I saw these photos with comments about the French women who lived with the Germans during the occupation of France.


          Well, of course! laughing Documents (pictured) are filled in beautiful French request , and instead of some trident on a stamp the Gallic cockerel is clearly visible. fool
          Immediately and urgently reconcile your vision at a remote point.
          1. alexey garbuz
            alexey garbuz 29 October 2013 22: 35
            +1
            Dear, I did not offend or humiliate you with my statements - I just drew attention to the clothes of the people depicted in the photo. As a literate person, you should carefully look at least at the men's headdress, their trousers and shoes. The style is clearly not consistent. For identity cards, this can also be glued to Miklouho-maklai - as the notorious Osia Bender used to say - with a superbly developed printing business ... now you can even portray Taras Bulba's meeting with President Reagan in the Kremlin Hall of Columns next to the Pentagon’s Oval Office, located at the left pillar of the Trachtenberg bridge. I did not spin too much with an analogy? I was especially touched by a belt on a woman with elastic bands to support stockings - a purely Ukrainian fashion! For Pecharsky I will not say, the photo is of poor quality, you can get it wrong.
            1. Alex
              Alex 15 January 2014 17: 15
              +2
              Quote: alexey garbuz
              I was especially touched by a belt on a woman with elastic bands to support stockings - a purely Ukrainian fashion!
              It's nice to know that you are touched by these photos. Maybe you and the type of ovens crematorium orgasm experience?

              Now about fashion. As you will know, before 1939, Lviv was Poland, which always kicked itself out of portraying a large Europe to portray (this was inherited by the current Bandera people), in particular, France. And the toilets were copied, and factories were opened in the French style, and they made direct purchases. Jews always belonged to people, to put it mildly, non-poor, and could afford to import, and the best tailors (also mostly Jews) to dress. Anyway, what kind of French the collaborators were not, but they didn’t reach such savagery.

              I did not spin too much with an analogy?
              Too. A couple of passages could be omitted, otherwise you get tired of reading - too many letters. Anyway, the capabilities of modern graphic editors are even known to dummies like me.
        2. Alex
          Alex 15 January 2014 17: 06
          +2
          Quote: alexey garbuz
          And I saw these photos with comments about the French women who lived with the Germans during the occupation of France.
          Well, firstly, Lviv differs quite a lot from French cities (it’s only in the inflamed imagination of protoucres they are Europe, in fact, a place that rhymes well with it, because it’s just its backyard). Secondly, the brave French, after their other liberation, suddenly inflamed with righteous anger, shaved their women who provided sexual services to the invaders, only occasionally and not very naked. Such stripping naked with beatings, street gangs and (possibly) rape is exclusively the product of the lofty mind of enlightened zealots of national Ukrainian culture and champions of European and universal values.
  25. Sineys
    Sineys 28 October 2013 17: 34
    -8
    Quote: Hudo
    A group of historians from Ukraine wrote a letter to the director of the archive asking what kind of losses the German army suffered in the Second World War in battles with the OUN-UPA. A thoroughbred German, Lieutenant General Welt, with German punctuality replied that scientists in the central military historical archive of the Bundeswehr did not find data on the losses of the field units of the Wehrmacht or field police in clashes with the OUN-UPA. And the fables about the unprecedented losses of the Germans are just spreading cranberries.
    These are the "global" problems awaiting the decision of the Fuhrerks from the UPA.
    http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/viewTopic--id--430367
    Kovpak, Saburov or Fedorov did not even think of solving such problems - people fought with the enemy, they had no time for it.

    The problem is that the KGB archives regarding the UPA are open in Ukraine. In addition, a huge number of documents scanned and posted on the Internet. On YouTube, there are a lot of documented interviews of Soviet partisans, Polish AK members, Germans on the same topic. So, if you want to - get acquainted, do not want to - believe in what they put into your head during the USSR. As for the photo with the victims of the UPA. Some enthusiastically post similar pictures, but are in no hurry to publish pictures of the victims of AK from the Ukrainian side. Including photos of the executioners themselves against the background of the burned Ukrainian villages and corpses. This does not concern you personally, but I live on this earth and I know firsthand about the atrocities of AK. And the UPA fighters were not aliens from the planet Mercury, but residents of the same Ukrainian villages that first gathered in the village self-defense from the Germans and Poles. For the most part, as in the villages - relatives, godmothers and neighbors. Therefore, until now, in most villages in Western Ukraine, you will see memorial signs about people whom they knew and remember. And the relationship of these people to the UPA will not change all this Internet shit. And here are scanned documents - http://avr.org.ua/
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 18: 00
      +4
      Quote: Sineys
      The problem is that the KGB archives regarding the UPA are open in Ukraine. In addition, a huge number of documents scanned and posted on the Internet. On YouTube, there are a lot of documented interviews of Soviet partisans, Polish AK members, Germans on the same topic.

      Something I personally did not come across among this information reliable (confirmed by two or more sources (from different sides)) about the epochal battles of the UPA and the unheard of losses from their side. But the Bandera Chess - like dirt.

      Quote: Sineys
      Some enthusiastically post similar pictures, but are in no hurry to publish pictures of the victims of AK from the Ukrainian side. Including photos of the executioners themselves against the background of the burned Ukrainian villages and corpses. This doesn’t concern you personally, but I live on this earth and I know firsthand about the atrocities of AK


      Yes, what the hell can the rapture of a normal person look at the atrocities of nonhumans. Is there any doubt that this is not human? And the article, by the way, is about Bander and his accomplices, and not about AK where there were similar nonhumans with a slightly more polonized bias.
      You are mistaken that it does not concern me. I live in the Donbass, and my children are trying to get into a different alien crap about the UPA, Bandera and other heroes whom old people still remember here as those who were dragged to us in the Wehrmacht wagon and served here in the bodies of the occupation authorities and the police where they carried their extravagant ideas to the masses - robbed, atrocious, and all this under the guise of some historical research.
    2. major1976
      major1976 29 October 2013 00: 37
      +2
      Dear Sineys! Where is your logic? What was the article about? Not about the archives of the NGKB-MGB-KGB !!! And even less about the u-tube !!! Not about the archives of various organizations !!! The article was called "How Bandera was liquidated" !!! This article described his life, his CRIMES against humanity, and his EXECUTION !!! I personally still do not understand your personal opinion on this fact !!! Please answer me and the rest of the forum users !!!
    3. Alex
      Alex 15 January 2014 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: Sineys
      The problem is that the KGB archives regarding the UPA are open in Ukraine.
      Here you are absolutely right - this is really a problem, and a very big one. It is not a secret for anyone that all the "declassified KGB documents" posted in the public domain were falsified by the current SBU in the ever-memorable times of the leadership of this glorious institution, the fiery ally of the unforgettable Yulia Timoshenko, Mr. Turchinov. So there is no reason to believe these fakes - it's a pity for the eyes.
  26. saygon66
    saygon66 28 October 2013 19: 00
    +2
    - So the dreams of Stepan Bandera, Andrey Melnik, Evgen Konovalets have come true or not? There are no communists, no USSR, another Germany and another Poland, Ukraine is independent (declaratively, anyway) ... Or "the goal is nothing, the Struggle is everything"? And then there are no enemies, but there is no life either ...
  27. GUSAR
    GUSAR 28 October 2013 19: 22
    +2
    Eliminated this reptile and thank God there really is nothing to add ...
  28. zub46
    zub46 28 October 2013 19: 24
    +2
    Technical clarification. According to the text, comrade Sudoplatov and Stashinsky are both referred to as agents of the NKVD. In fact, Sudoplatov is a reconnaissance officer, an operative, admitted and successfully carrying out work to attract and direct agents. Stashinsky, with all due respect to him, was a person inclined to secret work as an agent (conditionally speaking, "civilian"). Appreciate the tenacity and courage of Stashinsky. Not only can you track down the protected person for sure and go to eliminate him, but also trust your health at least after using the chemical agent to the antidote. People believed in each other. And, as often happens, there is a woman nearby ...
  29. Endrew
    Endrew 28 October 2013 19: 26
    0
    It’s a win, dear, zradnik for all Russian people, I’m fighting for the independence of Ukraine, for the nation’s culture!

    Of course, he is an enemy, a traitor for the Russian-speaking people, he also fought for the independence of Ukraine, for its language and culture, therefore only "Ukrainians" consider him heroes! And how can you consider yourself a Ukrainian without even knowing your native language!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 October 2013 23: 30
      +2
      Quote: Endrew
      And how can you consider yourself a Ukrainian without even knowing your native language!

      Shanovny! I am a Russian woman, I know miraculously the Ukrainian language, because I live in Ukraine. I don’t vvazhayu Ukrainian. And from those who are you, write є to prove that in Ukrainians they recorded Bagatiokh Russians, who lived in the territory of Ukraine, or on that territory, Ukraine was given a gift by "oaths of greats".
      Respected! I am Russian, but I know Ukrainian very well, because I live in Ukraine. But I don't consider myself a Ukrainian. But what you write is proof that many Russians who lived on the territory of Ukraine, or on the territory given to Ukraine by the "damned Bolsheviks" hi
      1. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 29
        -2
        And who do you consider yourself to be a Satanist?
      2. Endrew
        Endrew 30 October 2013 02: 03
        -4
        Are you humming from Ukraine? That’s why I didn’t have to frighten people like I lived in Ukraine and I didn’t respect myself with Ukrainians!
        About those who lived in Ukraine, a bagato rosiyan! True, only 32 thousand rosiyan were transferred to the territory in 33-117r bulo. Ukraine and the whole world have come to know how to know and know how to do Ukrainian language!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WzONZ4Wrko

        Are you probably from eastern Ukraine? Because I have never met people who would live in Ukraine and did not consider themselves Ukrainians!
          The fact that many Russians live in Ukraine! True, only in 32-33r 117 thousand Russians were relocated to ter. Ukraine and this is done in order to supplant and destroy the Ukrainian language!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WzONZ4Wrko
        1. Vidok
          Vidok 1 November 2013 15: 04
          +1
          Ukrainian Mova here ni to what. Vaughn didn’t mess with anyone;
        2. Alex
          Alex 15 January 2014 19: 03
          +2
          Endrew
          Listen, miserable, you either write in Russian (show respect to those who do not know the Ukrainian language), or do without translation (for this personal communication is provided). And it’s not clear: you flaunt erudition and knowledge of two languages, I decided to take up flood flood felts.

          PS For reference: I am Ukrainian. And a native of Donbass.
    2. alexey garbuz
      alexey garbuz 28 October 2013 23: 40
      +1
      I apologize, but if a person has lived his entire conscious life on the pavement and away from his historical homeland, but nevertheless remembering his nationality is what he considers himself to be. And the one who is especially broad and spits in the direction of a self-remembering one is the burp of the nation.
    3. major1976
      major1976 29 October 2013 00: 45
      -2
      But is there such a language (Ukrainian)? Probably there is! But what is its history? And who invented it? And invented it in the General Staff of the German Landsver !!! Do not believe it? Check and go nuts !!!
      1. Endrew
        Endrew 30 October 2013 00: 50
        -1
        Ukrainian Mova cherish its ear even in hours of Kyiv Rus! As the Russian Empire and because of the USSR did not know books and literature on the Ukrainian Movies, then maybe you knew "Is there such a language (Ukrainian)?"

        The Ukrainian language dates back to the times of Kievan Rus! If the Russian Empire and then the USSR did not destroy books and chronicles in the Ukrainian language, then maybe you would know "Is there such a language (Ukrainian)?"
    4. Vidok
      Vidok 1 November 2013 14: 56
      0
      I dare to object. He fought not for Ukraine but for a number of regions of Western Ukraine. And the mere fact that he was either in the service, or enjoyed the support of the Nazis makes him a criminal. And the fact that not one innocent civilian died through his fault or from his submission, gives the right to a single sentence which was carried out.

      Take a look. Win is not fighting for Ukraine but for a number of regions of Western Ukraine. But for some of them, who’s been buv chi at the service, chi that was browning with the fascist fascists to rob him with zlochinets. First of all, blame for any kind of filing, throwing more than one innocent civilian, yes, the right to a single virok a kind and a book of ghosts at the viscount.
  30. Endrew
    Endrew 28 October 2013 19: 32
    +1
    And since 99% of Russian-speaking people are here, I don’t hope that anyone here will understand me!
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: Endrew
      And since 99% of Russian-speaking people are here, I don’t hope that anyone here will understand me!


      There is no need to take such a picturesque and picturesque pose, trying with this to put on the guise of a holy fellow sufferer. In Stanislavsky --- I DO NOT BELIEVE!
      1. Endrew
        Endrew 30 October 2013 00: 59
        0
        And really, I was wrong! I was very surprised when I saw here 1 comment in Ukrainian.
  31. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 28 October 2013 19: 32
    +4
    I now remembered how proud the Mossad operas were, having destroyed some enemy of Israel with the exact same box of "Sudoplatov's sweets". It turns out that they are stupidly asleep ... copied and pasted Sudoplatov's idea.
  32. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 28 October 2013 19: 44
    +1
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: Sineys
    The problem is that the KGB archives regarding the UPA are open in Ukraine. In addition, a huge number of documents scanned and posted on the Internet. On YouTube, there are a lot of documented interviews of Soviet partisans, Polish AK members, Germans on the same topic.

    Something I personally did not come across among this information reliable (confirmed by two or more sources (from different sides)) about the epochal battles of the UPA and the unheard of losses from their side. But the Bandera Chess - like dirt.

    Quote: Sineys
    Some enthusiastically post similar pictures, but are in no hurry to publish pictures of the victims of AK from the Ukrainian side. Including photos of the executioners themselves against the background of the burned Ukrainian villages and corpses. This doesn’t concern you personally, but I live on this earth and I know firsthand about the atrocities of AK


    Yes, what the hell can the rapture of a normal person look at the atrocities of nonhumans. Is there any doubt that this is not human? And the article, by the way, is about Bander and his accomplices, and not about AK where there were similar nonhumans with a slightly more polonized bias.
    You are mistaken that it does not concern me. I live in the Donbass, and my children are trying to get into a different alien crap about the UPA, Bandera and other heroes whom old people still remember here as those who were dragged to us in the Wehrmacht wagon and served here in the bodies of the occupation authorities and the police where they carried their extravagant ideas to the masses - robbed, atrocious, and all this under the guise of some historical research.


    Yes, the boy is 20-25 years old, he was already zombified by what to argue with him, even minus in vile. hi
  33. artem772
    artem772 28 October 2013 22: 32
    -2
    "When the people choose bread between bread and freedom, as a result they lose everything, including bread. If the people choose freedom, they will have bread grown independently and not taken away by anyone ..."
    S.A. Bandera
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 October 2013 22: 46
      +2
      Quote: artem772
      ... If the people choose freedom, they will have bread grown independently and not taken away by anyone ... "


      Tell this shibzda to those pensioners who after your thrice-cursed inclementation barely make ends meet to feed themselves on a beggarly pension, garbage containers rummage - they spit in your face. Or admire the abandoned houses in the villages where people lived, baptized children, enjoyed life ... until you kicked out *** you dragged tsvaboda and slump on their head - they might break your head right there.
      1. Olaf
        Olaf 29 October 2013 23: 35
        -2
        Oh well. Empty houses in the villages of erefii, miserable pensions, a demographic and social catastrophe in the same place - these are also the machinations of the damned impassable Bandera)))).
    2. Sour
      Sour 28 October 2013 22: 48
      +1
      Every day in my city I observe Ukrainian guest workers, whom the Russian foreman shouts at. They are building a mall. Build soon.
      I wonder what they got here? What is missing for them at home - freedom or bread? Or both?
      1. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 29 October 2013 16: 49
        -1
        They are building you because local drunks are drinking or promoting the "Russian world" on the Internet. They help the brothers, and you are so rude and unfeminine about them.
        1. Olaf
          Olaf 29 October 2013 23: 46
          0
          Nothing - when the Caucasians begin to build, then guest workers will already shout at the foreman, or even put a knife under the ribs, as in Biryulevo.
          Well, not de ... silt? Hoh helped them ... once they built an empire, they destroyed it in the 17th. The second time they helped - in 91 they destroyed it again. And who is to blame? - well, of course huh..y. As we say, "Hto vsr..all is non-vistka"
          1. Alex
            Alex 15 January 2014 19: 11
            +2
            Olafyou're just sick. I have seen dozens of such psychics with an inverted psyche on the Maidan. As they say: "If you want ssi in your eyes, youmu dosh yde".
    3. Alex
      Alex 15 January 2014 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: artem772
      "When the people choose bread between bread and freedom, as a result they lose everything, including bread. If the people choose freedom, they will have bread grown independently and not taken away by anyone ..."
      S.A. Bandera
      But Bandera himself didn’t really go for a plow ...
  34. voliador
    voliador 28 October 2013 23: 18
    +1
    Dog - a dog's death. am .
  35. Hudo
    Hudo 29 October 2013 00: 16
    +2
    The trial of Bandera began in Moscow on October 15, 1951.



    The execution of the judgment, albeit deferred and politically erroneous, which turned the "fifth wheel to the nationalist cart" into the banner of nationalism, took place on October 15, 1959 in Munich.

    In contrast to the elimination of Konovalets, this operation brought only problems. By that time, Bandera was already so discredited, he was hated by all groups of diasporas, the Americans and others disdained to deal with him because of his connections with the Germans. And death turned a complete insignificance from a figure that split everyone into a banner. It was a voluntaristic decision by Khrushchev.

    The elimination of Konovalets contributed to the fact that young supporters of the ambitious Bandera split OUN, contributing to the fact that Ukraine did not become a legal satellite like Slovakia there. But the elimination of Bandera ...
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  37. Klim podkova
    29 October 2013 12: 09
    +2
    From the author.
    1. Many thanks to all who read the article and leave comments.
    2. The OUN is a topic for a multivolume work, so it is not surprising that "questions remained behind the scenes":
    a) The oppression of the Ukrainian population by the Poles
    b) Cooperation of the OUN with the German special services (battalions "Nachtigall" and "Roland")
    c) Relationships of Bandera and Company with the German authorities (for which the Germans sent Bandera to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp)
    d) The activities of the UPA in the destruction of the Polish population in the Ukrainian lands (Volyn Massacre)
    e) Interrelations of different currents of the OUN with each other (Bandera-Melnik-Bulba / Borovets)
    And much, much more, which is simply impossible to reflect in one article.
    3. I am neither a technical expert, nor a certified historian, so the texts may contain inaccuracies for which I apologize in advance. I consider the main task - to arouse interest, and from whom he woke up - the works of professional historians are at your service!
  38. kadet54
    kadet54 29 October 2013 15: 45
    +3
    Quote: Sineys
    The problem is that the KGB archives regarding the UPA are open in Ukraine.

    Yes, under Yushchenko the KGB archives were opened. But far from all and by no means those of whom the whole essence of these "heroes of Ukraine" is visible and who can cast a shadow on the honest, universal and fluffy struggle for freedom so promoted.
  39. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 4 November 2013 05: 06
    -1
    I won’t say anything about Bandera. But the phrase that Ukraine remained a divided power hurt. This is in the dreams of the author (and other similar dreamers). If we look where there is someone divided, so Russia is not too united. And Ukraine is as divided as, for example, Germany and Bavaria. In their right mind, the Bavarian will never call himself a German and will not say that he lives in Germany, however, for all the rest he remains a German.
    1. Alex
      Alex 15 January 2014 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: Kowalsky
      And Ukraine is as divided as, for example, Germany and Bavaria. In their right mind, the Bavarian will never call himself a German and say that he lives in Germany,
      In their right mind, no Ukrainian will compare Bavaria and Galicia in the context of a German / Ukrainian subject. It was difficult to come up with a bigger mistake than including your free Galicia in Ukraine. If you had left you all in that Poland, now there would have been no Natsik left - all the Poles would have transferred, like lice to the nail.
  40. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 4 November 2013 13: 51
    -1
    It is a pity that not all geeks of banderlozhi were eliminated!