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Internal troops in 2014 will receive the first batch of new armored vehicles

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The Ural plant in 2014 will transfer the first batch of eight new Ural-4320ВВ armored vehicles to the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, said Viktor Surkov, the leading design engineer of the plant.


Words Surkov leads channel "Rain" with reference to "Interfax".

A sample of an armored car was presented at the Interpolitex-2013 international exhibition in Moscow. In November, will begin troop testing machines.

According to Surkov, the 18-ton vehicle is designed to transport troops of internal troops “in heightened danger” to 18. Armor cars withstand explosions of up to two kilograms of explosives. The armored car has two side doors of control modules, a side door of the armored compartment on the right side and two swing doors at the back. If necessary, the crew of the car can be blocked from the inside and firing from the loopholes, as well as from the two upper compartments.

The cost of each car was 10 million rubles. The machine can reach speeds of up to 90 kilometers per hour, its power reserve will be 1100 kilometers.

As stated by the deputy commander of the Vityaz special forces center Konstantin Bystrov, “because of the large size and limited sector of shelling, this car is unlikely to be used in a combat situation, directly in battle, but it is suitable for dispersing unauthorized rallies and various kinds of actions of the bullying crowd perfect".

In the LiveJournal of the Ural automobile plant at the end of September, it was noted that the Ural-4320-BB armored vehicle for internal troops had already passed a state acceptance.

The delegation of the leaders of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation headed by deputy commander-in-chief for armament Lieutenant-General Sergey Yerygin familiarized with the novelty.

The blog noted that this car was designed specifically for the needs of the Interior Ministry troops. It will be used to transport personnel, and has a high degree of protection for military personnel from firearms. weapons and other damaging factors. In some cases, he quite successfully replaces the familiar BTR. At the same time, unlike an armored personnel carrier, the “Ural” is a certified vehicle and a full participant in road traffic, which does not require special escort of the traffic police.

The security officials were very pleased with the experience.
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  1. StrateG
    StrateG 26 October 2013 15: 16
    0
    Not bad ... but I think it would be nice to increase the transportation space ... what is it - 18 people? On the bus, it fits more.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 20
      12
      Less blast loss
    2. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 15: 33
      21
      In 2014, the Ural plant will transfer to the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs the first batch of eight new Ural-4320VV armored vehicles,

      But why not, "Typhoon" "- based on the Urals - 63095.
      Quote: StrateG
      The armor of the car withstands explosions up to two kilograms of explosives

      Mine protection is also not adequate to the threats. Average IED in the S. Caucasus is 10 kg.vt / e.
      8 kg under the bottom near the Urals "Typhoon". More protected from mines and IEDs.
      All tests are passed. Again they buy, which is cheaper at the expense of security.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 34
        +9
        Typhoon for Min. Defense
      2. Civil
        Civil 26 October 2013 15: 54
        21
        bask
        Mine protection is also not adequate to the threats. Average IED in the S. Caucasus is 10 kg.vt / e.


        and who told you that the car is designed for the North Caucasus? Maybe to protect the fur stores and vegetable depots?
      3. killganoff
        killganoff 26 October 2013 20: 11
        -1
        To disperse cattle on city streets, there is no need for mine protection. But everything is calm in the Caucasus - Chechnya has already been presented as a tribute to the Stavropol Territory.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 October 2013 20: 22
          +6
          And here there is no particularly anti-mine protection. 2 kg of explosives, despite the fact that the most common anti-personnel mines have an explosive charge of 6 kg ...
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 26 October 2013 21: 59
            +8
            Lopatov (1) RU Today, 20:22 ↑
            And here there is no particularly anti-mine protection. 2 kg of explosives, despite the fact that the most common anti-personnel mines have an explosive charge of 6 kg ...

            2 kg. - this is what you can throw with your hand. Protection against "Molotov cocktails" was modestly silent. The internal troops used to be for z / k, now they have been inflated excessively. It looks like it's for urban combat with protesters.
            1. timer
              timer 27 October 2013 21: 41
              +3
              As the commander of "Vityaz" Bystrov said, this car is ideal for dispersing popular performances. salaries, so that they would guard them like watchdogs. The people are dissatisfied with the predatory system of power built in the country, so they are afraid.
          2. bask
            bask 26 October 2013 23: 00
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            And here there is no particularly anti-mine protection. 2 kg of explosives, despite the fact that the most common anti-personnel mines have an explosive charge of 6 kg ...

            I think the landmines will be more powerful. The experience of the Amer war in Iraq and
            Afghanistan.
            And if they give it, on such a mine Ural 4320VV.
            What remains of the landing, in 18 soldiers, is scary to think.
    3. Civil
      Civil 26 October 2013 15: 52
      +3
      it’s from poverty, 18 people have to be pushed into the Urals to push armored ... it's not MRAP
      1. bask
        bask 27 October 2013 10: 38
        12
        Quote: Civil
        it's from poverty

        From what poverty?
        Billionaires in Russia, only about 200 people, only officially.
        And how many are not official.
        Only the construction of the Zenith stadium (far from complete) took about 1,5 billion $$$$$.
        Only with these funds, it is possible to close KamAZ and Ural "Typhoons" for the entire Southern Military District.
        And not only armored vehicles, but also T-90, self-propelled guns ,, Vienna ,, BMP-3M and so on
        1. Normal
          Normal 27 October 2013 11: 55
          13
          Quote: bask
          From what poverty?

          Well, from what? From the poverty of the mind, from a lack of conscience, from a lack of state thinking. Beggars they ... spiritually and morally.
          1. bask
            bask 27 October 2013 14: 15
            +7
            Quote: Normal
            I am. Beggars they ... spiritually and

            Volodya, I would say that they are no longer human at all. And parasitic worms. With one instinct-eat, grab and eat-grab again. They don’t even know why they need how much $$$$$$$$$$$.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 27 October 2013 14: 21
              +5
              The third instinct is forgotten, they also spoil
            2. Normal
              Normal 27 October 2013 15: 31
              +3
              Quote: bask
              Volodya, I would say that they are no longer human at all. And parasitic worms. With one instinct, eat, grab and eat again, grab

              You say it right, Andrei, just like that - they are not people.
          2. timer
            timer 27 October 2013 21: 54
            0
            They are poor, they are worse than the enemy. Under the guise of shit democracy, tolerance and liberalism, this infection robs the country, destroys indigenous peoples as a single nation, destroys the national industry, imposed false values ​​of consumerism and individualism. The best way to cure people of this infection -Remove the liberals and the bullshit from power and break the predatory system built by them. And this can be done not by the Orange opposition with a handful of puppets, but by ourselves (if we join our fists). Who is interested in my point of view on the current state? -Let's start the correspondence. My mailbox is [email protected]
        2. Ronino
          Ronino 27 October 2013 15: 09
          +1
          The remark is excellent! but you do not take into account one difference! How much money can you appropriate when building a stadium and how much when buying the right equipment? That's what you need to think about ... look towards China (punishment of corrupt officials)
    4. 31231
      31231 26 October 2013 16: 13
      +1
      Maybe then it's easier on Ile?
    5. kris
      kris 26 October 2013 18: 01
      11
      Quote: StrateG
      As stated by the deputy commander of the Vityaz special forces center Konstantin Bystrov, “because of the large size and limited sector of shelling, this car is unlikely to be used in a combat situation, directly in battle, but it is suitable for dispersing unauthorized rallies and various kinds of actions of the bullying crowd perfect".

      the Kremlin Kremlin is afraid of national anger!
      understand that people's patience is coming to an end!
    6. Rustam
      Rustam 26 October 2013 18: 06
      +8
      To this creation, namely URALU 4320-BB, I have the most negative attitude, it is not clear what they want to bet on the Brooms and the Brooms are not against (it means there is an interest in this feather miracle)

      I repeat my post to Rustam  October 24, 2013 11:38

      I talked about the visit to Ienterpolitech-2013 - honestly disappointed, of course, here's an example of the new Ural4320-BB (played for it) until I sat, talked
      the view is cramped, uncomfortable, low ceiling, uncomfortable openings, seats and so on - and most importantly, the hydraulic outlet open is something to the same 2kg under the bottom - it’s better to have Typhoon from Kamaz
      I told them directly to the forehead - why such a miracle is needed and showed the jambs with my finger, I heard a lot of speeches - type, well, you understand the machine park, etc. (probably not better than the federal one), but you can't call it breakthrough, and the Frenchman is worth it (though a little for other purposes , more urban) -all like people, nothing more, everything is convenient

      there’s a new URAL-VV in the photo without comment, I thought it would be a worthy replacement for the Federals, but no (Kamaz completely lowers the ramp and one common opening, these went their own way)

      What price do you know of this miracle called URAL 4320 BB - in the region of 500 t (and holds a current of 2 kg), and the army Typhoon under a million euros:) - OK, yes

      Yes, it’s better then this one

      The South African division of the company BAE Systems introduced a new armored vehicle Casspir Mk6 based on the same Ural-4320. The idea of ​​using a Russian chassis to an African developer was thrown by the Indian company Mahindra & Mahindra. The actual development of the Casspir Mk 6 was carried out by the joint venture Defense Land Systems India (DLSI) created by BAE Systems and Mahindra & Mahindra in India

      Casspir Mk6 is available in 4x4 and 6x6 formulas. At the same time, a Russian-made YaMZ-236NE2 turbo-charged diesel engine with a maximum power of 230 hp is installed on the car. (169 kW), and a manual gearbox YaMZ-236U. This decision was chosen by the developer with the aim of reducing the cost of the Casspir Mk 6 machine, the cost of which is claimed from the mark of 350 thousand dollars.

      In tests, the car withstood without detriment to personnel the detonation of a 21-kilogram charge under the wheel and a 14-kilogram charge under the body of the car
      1. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 26 October 2013 18: 33
        +1
        Rustam, do you think that KAMAZ has advanced better in this regard?
        I’m mating with you because you feel how it is said.
        I'm just against monopoly on trucks from Kamaz
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 26 October 2013 23: 56
          +3
          r
          umpeljschtizhen Rustam do you think that KAMAZ has made better progress in this regard?


          We are now discussing precisely 4320-BB — the Army Typhoon from the Urals will be (probably) better — but the price in Lyam is annoying, by the way, I said about 4320 BB about the Yuarovsky instance-we smiled at each other and understood without words

          According to Kamaz, I don’t like what they want to be monopolists and to get over everything, but when an honest conversation started near Typhoon (Kamazovsky), and when I showed a finger at the jambs, I liked the conversation

          I'm more interested in 2 models

          1-KAMAZ-63969
          2-KAMAZ-53949

          Very interesting specimens, it can turn out
          1. bask
            bask 27 October 2013 00: 29
            +1
            Quote: Rustam
            -KAMAZ-63969
            2-KAMAZ-53949

            Very interesting specimens, it can turn out

            But the price of Rustam, again will be about 1 ml $$$.
            Will MO buy them. In sufficient quantities, I think not.
            There is only one way out, to create MPEs, multi-purpose armored cars ... on the units and assemblies of serial freight cars (Casspir Mk6 and Mahindra).
            1. Rustam
              Rustam 27 October 2013 00: 41
              +4
              bask There is only one way out, to create MRAP, multipurpose armored cars ... on the units and assemblies of serial trucks (Casspir Mk6 and Mahindra).


              Yes it will not be, as well as field camps from Carcher-hInushs and warriors will not be able to weld, and without fat, nobody needs it

              KAMAZ-63969
              KAMAZ-53949 - these specimens are interesting primarily for the BB and FSB in the North Caucasus, but first they must pass the tests, and then we'll see
              another fact Rogozhkin for the Urals, I said that at the moment there are two centers of power
      2. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 21: 52
        +2
        Quote: Rustam
        of the Ural-4320 itself. The idea to use the Russian ..... Casspir Mk 6 was carried out by the joint venture Defense Land Systems India (DLSI) created by BAE Systems and Mahindra & Mahindra in India

        If the rights to develop, with the Indians (Mahindra), then create, with the Indians a joint venture, and produce Mrap Ural 4320, here in Miass.
    7. sssss018
      sssss018 26 October 2013 22: 58
      +2
      30 to intermeddle in the Urals and not normal
  2. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 22
    +8
    When the BTR-BB goes, they will be tested for a long time.
    1. Xroft
      Xroft 26 October 2013 15: 54
      0
      http://www.popmech.ru/blogs/post/4088-ural-4320-v-voennom-tyuninge-ot-bae-system
      s/
      Here is an interesting option that can be done on the basis of the Urals, it is a pity that it is not ours.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 26 October 2013 17: 22
        +8
        Quote: Xroft
        Here is an interesting option that can be done on the basis of the Urals, it is a pity that it is not ours.

        A very interesting unit, especially in the part regarding mine protection, but the price I will report to you only for combat units!
        The car showed decent survivability, having withstood without damage to personnel a detonation of 21 kg of charge under the wheel and 14 kg of charge under the car body. The use of the Russian chassis allowed developers to reduce the cost of the car to $ 350.
        1. Xroft
          Xroft 26 October 2013 18: 01
          +2
          I think ours will be able to make an even lower price if from Russian companies.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 26 October 2013 22: 08
            +5
            Quote: Xroft
            I think ours will be able to make an even lower price if from Russian companies.

            Of course, a similar car made in Russia will cost 250 thousand American rubles, but I can not even hypothetically imagine the purchase of such a car by our Moscow Region.
            They are rednecks.
            Recall 2 Chechen wars and results ......... some 8 years have passed and we are again stepping on the same rake in war 080808.
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 26 October 2013 23: 57
      +3
      ivshubarin When the BTR-BB goes, they will be tested for a long time


      It’s necessary to undermine at first, but everything has stalled with this matter.
  3. major071
    major071 26 October 2013 15: 26
    +7
    Beautiful armored car turned out. Only a little space. Most importantly, you can ride on the roads without police.
  4. Basileus
    Basileus 26 October 2013 15: 31
    +4
    And BB do not want Typhoon to wait? The same Urals is developing its own version.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 35
      +1
      Expensive for the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 26 October 2013 16: 18
        +3
        Considering that in the Caucasus many of the tasks are carried out by explosives, there is expediency.
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 October 2013 16: 45
        +5
        The Ministry of Internal Affairs is the military, could equalize rights with the army, otherwise it’s possible to give some batons with shields, let them fight! hi
    2. Xroft
      Xroft 26 October 2013 15: 46
      +5
      Yes, it’s good that they gave such a thing, otherwise they used to go to ordinary ones before. They’ll test it right now and maybe * Typhoon * will do. A huge plus for 3-4 cars would be ordered for different types and for running to the Caucasus.
  5. Field
    Field 26 October 2013 15: 34
    +2
    "The car's armor can withstand explosions up to two kilograms of explosives."

    Do I have a bucket of IEDs approximately in TNT equivalent?
  6. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 47
    +2
    "Highlander" is also for BB
  7. Onyx
    Onyx 26 October 2013 15: 53
    +4
    And what's the point of creating for an army at the same time armored personnel carriers like Typhoon and Boomerang? Moreover, there are also two Typhuae: one from Kamaz, the other from the Urals. Do they have different tasks? It will result in different types, which will increase the cost of maintenance. Specialists, enlighten
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 04
      +2
      Typhoon is a platform, everything is the same - Engine, chassis, fluid coupling. The difference in the lineup - cabinet, frame bonnet and hoodless
      1. 31231
        31231 26 October 2013 16: 17
        +1
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Typhoon is a platform, everything is the same - Engine, chassis, fluid coupling. The difference in the lineup - cabinet, frame bonnet and hoodless


        What are the checkpoints, and bridges, and driveshafts, and hubs the same?
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 22
          +1
          Independent suspension does not have bridges, there is a gearbox
          1. 31231
            31231 26 October 2013 18: 32
            0
            Do not throw a link to
            Independent suspension does not have bridges, there is a gearbox

            you hope about the Urals described above, and do not speak Typhoon?
            And then I something, glanced briefly everywhere in the photo in front of the gearbox of the bridge is visible. Yes, and in the descriptions I can not find anything about an independent suspension.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 27 October 2013 05: 35
              +1
              Typhoon has adjustable independent suspension
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 27 October 2013 12: 05
                +2
                Pendant TYPHOON-U
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                2. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 27 October 2013 12: 11
                  +2
                  Maybe even like that
                3. bask
                  bask 27 October 2013 20: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  Pendant TYPHOON-U

                  Special Purpose Center (TsSN) - FSB switched to a single wheeled chassis Kamaz-4911 (rally).
                  Including the former Zilovskiy "Punisher", now the joint venture is being produced: KamAZ and Fort Technologies, on the KamAZ-4911 chassis.

    2. Basileus
      Basileus 26 October 2013 16: 11
      +1
      Boomerang will not have anti-mine protection, as will be floating. In addition, Typhoon is intended only for the transport of military personnel, and will not be able to provide fire support.
      1. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 20: 45
        +2
        Quote: Basileus
        transportation of military personnel, and fire support will not be able to provide.

        Put the DBM on the roof and provide any fire cover.
        DUBM fira RAFAEL- Samson Mk 2 full armor protection installation. The standard armament option consists of a 30-mm Bushmaster Mk 44 automatic gun, a coaxial 7,62-mm machine gun and placed under the armor on the right side of the module of the retractable dual-charge anti-tank launcher Rafael Spike.

        BAE SYSTEMS is a South African division, with South African DGD Technologies.
        They developed the DBM-TRT-25 in 2010 for the MDI, RG-34.
        TRT-25, can be installed on any type of armored personnel carrier or MRAP, Russian and Western production. It is possible to install various weapons with a caliber from 12,7 mm, 20 mm to 30 mm .ATK M230 and Mk 44 Bushmaster.
        On the RG-34, the TRT-25 is equipped with a 25 mm M242 Bushmaster gun.
        As an example, the South African RG-34 iguana 15 tons.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 27 October 2013 21: 39
          0
          And how much the landing decreases when installing such a module?
          1. bask
            bask 27 October 2013 23: 26
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            And how much the landing decreases when installing such a module?

            Not as much as it is remotely controlled.
            RAFAEL developed in 2006 the DBM: Samson - designed for installation on any armored vehicles in which the load on the roof should be minimized by 4/4 light vehicles.
            RAFAEL has developed the new Samson Jr. Samson with a 30mm Bushmaster gun.
            The armament of the module is from 7,62 mm machine guns to 40 mm automatic grenade launchers.
            It is controlled from the body of the armored vehicle using the joystick and screen.
  8. Koronik
    Koronik 26 October 2013 15: 58
    +3
    It is high time to provide all the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the necessary equipment and weapons, to rid the organs of bribe takers and loafers.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 26 October 2013 15: 59
      +4
      Quote: Koronik
      It is high time to provide all the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the necessary equipment and weapons, to rid the organs of bribe takers and loafers.

      Seriously?
  9. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 26 October 2013 16: 05
    +1
    There is a niche for these armored vehicles. Everything is not in the airborne Urals.
  10. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 09
    +4
    Kamaz - Typhoon
  11. Migari
    Migari 26 October 2013 16: 18
    +2
    Well, it started so well, armor, etc., "but they are not suitable for battle," and to disperse people, an ideal machine.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 29
      +7
      These vehicles are not for battle, but for the delivery of personnel to the war zone. Mine and ambush armor
    2. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 26 October 2013 16: 38
      0
      With the braking system in the Urals, only people and disperse.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 45
        +2
        On URALs-4320, pneumatic hydraulic systems sometimes fail, but TYPHOON is another machine
        1. nazgul-ishe
          nazgul-ishe 26 October 2013 17: 29
          +1
          The base is the same or stuck pneumatics?
  12. 31231
    31231 26 October 2013 16: 18
    0
    The car you need unconditionally. Just enlighten, are there hatches for firing from above?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 50
      +2
      There is still a remote combat module can deliver
  13. jandjella
    jandjella 26 October 2013 16: 21
    +5
    Why then with SPM-3 “Bear? It seems to be a test too in the centuries? Why not order it then? Moreover, he surpasses the Urals in terms of protection. Protection of the crew from the action of the shock wave when a mine is fired under the wheel or the bottom of the machine is provided by a V-shaped multilayer bottom of the hull, which contributes to the free exit of the wave from under the car, and a sufficiently high landing of the crew above ground level to reduce the impact of the shock wave. Corresponds to class 6a. The instant smoke-curtain system, capable of hiding the car from aimed fire of an enemy in a matter of seconds, helps to quickly get out of shelling. and the body and bulletproof glass “hold” the hit of a 7,62 mm B-32 armor-piercing bullet fired from a distance of 100 m from the SVD rifle, as well as undermining under the wheel or underbody of an explosive device equivalent to 6 kg of TNT. and arming will be better. You can put the remote module. Depending on the tasks performed, the following can be mounted: machine guns “CORD”, PKT, PKP; automatic grenade launchers AG-17, AG-30M; ATGM The fire control system of the installation includes: conventional and low-level television cameras, a laser rangefinder, an on-board computer and a liquid crystal color monitor. There may be remote-controlled weapons systems, a Pelena-type radio-controlled explosive device interlock, a radiation and chemical reconnaissance device, a set of BTC instantaneous smoke curtain modules, an FVU-100 filter ventilation unit, a non-lethal perimeter defense “VV Roll”, an OU xenon remotely controlled -5M with a variable beam focusing distance and with the function of working in the strobe mode, the Dope wheel fire extinguishing system, air conditioning, Erica-201 radio station Probably money again lyat! What they buy cheaper and put the difference in your pocket. As with Serdyukov
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 16: 27
      0
      This is the first version of the BTR-BB without mine protection
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 26 October 2013 18: 07
      +2
      jandjella Today, 16:21 New
      Why then with SPM-3 “Bear? It seems to be a test too in the centuries


      Until there was a demolition test
  14. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 October 2013 16: 24
    0
    It’s going to drive all sorts of bulk in the swamp)))
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 27 October 2013 09: 41
      0
      And then!) Navalny is the "main" threat to the current "stability and prosperity"!) Ordinary people will not work against the "beloved! President!" (Pugachev and Biryulyovo, Manezhka provocation of the State Department). Russia has 7 years left (out of 20 years of "calmness" in Stolypin and Putler) so that the number of Asian, Azerbaijani and North Caucasian youth is equal or close to the number of Russian, then even these cars will not come in handy, the guardsmen will simply crush the rhinos, but for now this is not to rock the boat.
  15. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 26 October 2013 16: 29
    +3
    Quote: StrateG
    Not bad ... but I think it would be nice to increase the transportation space ... what is it - 18 people? On the bus, it fits more.

    In the tented Urals, according to the standards - 24 people, but in our school 56 people were placed under an awning once (this is how we went to the disco)
  16. makarov
    makarov 26 October 2013 16: 36
    +2
    "The Ural plant in 2014 will transfer the first batch of eight new Ural-4320VV armored vehicles to the Interior Ministry troops," said the plant's leading design engineer Viktor Surkov ......
    A sample of the armored car was presented at the international exhibition "Interpolitex-2013" taking place in Moscow. In November, military tests of machines will begin .... "
    One thing is alarming - How can you say about the transfer (sale) of finished products, which de facto will only start testing in the near future? Why "puff out your cheeks"? And if imperfections and embarrassment come to light, then what? I do not consider such statements to be serious. Pure PR and that's it !!!!!
  17. deman73
    deman73 26 October 2013 16: 42
    +4
    it is written that they bought for military break-in, they will distribute them in parts for a year and they will watch how the machines behave under different operating conditions and then the conclusion is what to complete with what to supplement well and so on
  18. bddrus
    bddrus 26 October 2013 17: 56
    0
    Bystrov for such statements can and drive
  19. Tyumen
    Tyumen 26 October 2013 17: 56
    +5
    When dispersing the rallies and the hooligan crowd, Bystrov was going to "fire from loopholes and upper compartments"?
    Is this a machine for Russia at all, or is a Russian soldier ready to shoot at his own?
  20. makarov
    makarov 26 October 2013 17: 56
    +1
    Quote: deman73
    it is written that they bought for military break-in, they will distribute them in parts for a year and they will watch how the machines behave under different operating conditions and then the conclusion is what to complete with what to supplement well and so on

    The fact that OFFICIALLY is not adopted, can not be sold !!! Charters do not order !!!
  21. waisson
    waisson 26 October 2013 19: 12
    +5
    for me it’s better than URAL than KAMAZ proven equipment like a Kalashnikov assault rifle happy for explosives in the troops would be such and more
  22. tomich
    tomich 26 October 2013 19: 13
    +2
    BRAVO site, so filter information
    According to the deputy commander of the Vityaz Special Forces Center, Ministry of Internal Affairs Colonel Konstantin Bystrov, the car is "ideally suited" to disperse unauthorized rallies and actions.
    In general, they are ready to shoot at their own people, even though they raised their salaries!
    Thanks in advance for all the cons!
    1. kris
      kris 26 October 2013 19: 19
      +2
      Quote: tomich
      BRAVO site, so filter information
      According to the deputy commander of the Vityaz Special Forces Center, Ministry of Internal Affairs Colonel Konstantin Bystrov, the car is "ideally suited" to disperse unauthorized rallies and actions.
      In general, they are ready to shoot at their own people, even though they raised their salaries!
      Thanks in advance for all the cons!

      Colonel said that was not intended for ordinary inhabitants!
    2. New Russia
      New Russia 27 October 2013 09: 35
      +3
      The funny thing is that they already openly say what these machines are for, (people wet), but faithful Putiners correct what is at variance with their fictional beautiful little world.
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 27 October 2013 09: 46
        +5
        They would also call it "Justice" and the one who comes out to demand justice will receive it.
  23. Uralean
    Uralean 26 October 2013 19: 16
    0
    Quote: makarov
    Quote: deman73
    it is written that they bought for military break-in, they will distribute them in parts for a year and they will watch how the machines behave under different operating conditions and then the conclusion is what to complete with what to supplement well and so on

    The fact that OFFICIALLY is not adopted, can not be sold !!! Charters do not order !!!

    Charters, charters, but if the interested parties push this project forward, no one will think about charters .. It has already happened more than once, and will probably continue to be ... I always wonder to myself how the commission for the acceptance of equipment into service, and the purchase of samples ( and any) selects one of all possible instances? What and how is it guided by (cost, expediency, really outstanding technical capabilities of the model, orders from above, or what other criteria?) Often, after making a decision and purchasing a batch of weapons, then it turns out that it is less effective than the price lists stated earlier.
  24. alone
    alone 26 October 2013 19: 22
    +2
    good armored trucks. but not like MRI.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 26 October 2013 19: 53
      +1
      This is not Mrap. Typhoons should be suitable according to the standards of MCI, but they have not yet been adopted.

      By the way, the South African Urals are also pretty.
    2. Massik
      Massik 26 October 2013 19: 57
      +2
      An intelligent bearded man sits in ambush with 18 fellow believers (12 AKM, 3 SVD, 1 RPG 7, 4 PK 12 buried TM 62 on an electric detonator). A column of bearded MRAPs is going - "Ah, here are the mean infidels, today we have nothing to catch. A day passes, the next convoy, the same faces, but with different weapons (12 AKM, 3 SVD, 4 pc 2 RPG 29, 3 ATGM "Metis-M", four homemade landmines with 100 kg of explosives each) Bearded - "Allah akbar !!! Hit the infidels !!! "...
    3. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 20: 03
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      good armored trucks. but not like MRI.

      For what tasks is this technique. If you disperse peaceful rallies and unarmed riots, then by TTX, it’s suitable.
      If you fight with militants in the S. Caucasus, no.
      And of course it’s on the MRI and not a multi-purpose armored car.

      For operations in the North Caucasus, the Ural-"Federal 42590" was manufactured on the chassis of the Ural 5557 in 2008.
      Moscow firm "Tekhnika" by order of NPO Spetstekhnika and communications of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. They have a large carrying capacity. An armored car ... "Federal 42590" is designed to carry 2 + 12 personnel.
      Ballistic protection level: cabin protection according to 5th and armored module according to 6 / 6A, according to GOST R 50963-96.
      From IEDs, high-explosive explosive devices weighing up to 6 kg in t / e.
      demolition tests
      Ural "Federal-45290" after detonating six kilograms of explosives under the bottom.

      Mine action seats installed.
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      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 27 October 2013 05: 39
        +1
        Also for BB. Cab from the "Highlander" based on the URAL
        1. bask
          bask 27 October 2013 11: 36
          +2
          Quote: ivshubarin
          t "Highlander" on the basis of URAL

          This is the Ural "Stargazer-Federal-M".
          GOST 6 / 6A, from bullets of an SVD sniper rifle with a heat-strengthened core.
          Mine 7 kg in t / e.
          In the body armored capsule, you can go directly from the cab.

  25. Leader
    Leader 26 October 2013 19: 33
    +2
    The question is, why are VV-shniki such powerful armored cars? To fight with your people?
    And the army drives 80-90s cars, some UAZs and ZILs ... I have never seen an armored army car.
    Once they sent an army "Cannoneer" on the basis of the UAZ, there only the bosses went on it.
    The carriers spat on this car (junk; forever something broke and did not work); and safely killed for a year of service ...
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 26 October 2013 19: 54
      +5
      VV, actually fighting in the Caucasus. But yes, why do we need to know about this? It is better to believe what a clown with a surname in a red circle says.
    2. ilf
      ilf 26 October 2013 21: 44
      +4
      You probably don't give a damn about the lives of the soldiers of the warring troops, who risk their lives every day performing service and combat missions in the North Caucasus, BMP tanks and heavier things are not necessary, otherwise they will raise hysteria, but we need such armored vehicles, we call the affectionate "Pokemon"
    3. ilf
      ilf 26 October 2013 22: 25
      +9
      How to technically overclock with this technique, rallies?
      Stupidly crush the mass? So you can think up something with a tank?
      I don’t see any signs of special equipment to disperse the demonstrators, nor tear gas launchers, nor a kenguryatnik with a grill, nor a monkey, but who were at the rallies I think they know what riot police looks like and probably had to ride. Here's another photo
      1. bask
        bask 26 October 2013 23: 42
        +8
        Quote: ilf
        otherwise they will raise a hysteria, but we need such armored vehicles, we call the weasel "Pokemon"

        Who will lift up. Israel raises the houses of terrorists with the earth, with D-9 bulldozers, destroys UAVs from shock and nothing, everyone is silent.
        And first of all, we need to protect the lives of soldiers of the Republic of Armenia and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        Destroy the militants by any means that are available, including using heavy armored vehicles (sorry they didn’t purchase BMPT2) in the North Caucasus would have been run into combat.
        Let them raise a tantrum is their job.
        Quote: ilf
        . Here is another photo

        In the head of the Ural ,, Star ,,, column, it was supposed to be replaced by more mine ... and the ballistically protected Ural, Federal 42590, but in place of this, they buy it noticeably, protected Ural 4320ВВ, without mine protection, where is the logic? This purchase.
        Detonation of about 1 kg in a fuel cell in Ingushetia "Pokemon" - the armored Ural "Star" under the right, front wheel.
      2. Doctor71
        Doctor71 26 October 2013 23: 53
        +3
        Totally agree with you. And for the rest: Comrade. VV is not only a convoy and protection of places of deprivation of liberty (by the way, the Federal Penitentiary Service has been engaged in this since the 90s. So it is not necessary to hang too much on the "bicycle troops"), the dispersal of rallies (for this ONONy is), as most people think. By the way, the question to users is the scarlet color of epaulettes which troops?
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    5. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 27 October 2013 11: 59
      0
      Moscow Region refused to purchase ZILs and UAZs, only KAMAZs and URALS. UAZ want to replace with SCORPIONS.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 27 October 2013 12: 01
        0
        Scorpio - 2m
      2. bask
        bask 27 October 2013 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Moscow Region refused to purchase ZILs and UAZs, only KAMAZs and URALS. UAZ want to replace with SCORPIO

        Not only theirs but also armored "Galel" and SMP 2 "Tiger" (special police car).
        Corporation MIC (Gas).
        Armored special armored vehicle for the Ministry of Internal Affairs SPM-2 "Gazelle". Armored GOST with the 5th class of protection.
        Purpose –– use by operational units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in order to ensure territorial defense and counter-terrorism operations.

        "" "" ITAR-TASS, two policemen were killed in a terrorist attack on a VAZ-2106 car, their Gazelle was severely damaged. The armored police Gazelle was blown up by a suicide bomber who cut her off in a Six. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Dagestan, the power of the explosive device installed in the car was about 20 kg in t / e. "" "" Http://file-rf.ru/news/2635
        Here from such attacks of suicide bombers, and IEDs, armored cars of the Ministry of Internal Affairs should defend.
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        2. ilf
          ilf 27 October 2013 17: 47
          +3
          Often had to ride an armored gazelle. Here's a personal photo of 2008, a soldier of the centuries was slightly wounded
          1. bask
            bask 27 October 2013 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: ilf
            Anna Gazelle. Here's a personal photo of 2008, was slightly injured

            Sanitary SMP 2 Gazelle?
            Her running gear is rather weak, and passability. Armored car design doesn’t allow booking according to GOST 6 class ...
            One advantage is to move stealthily and approach an object.
            It is practically indistinguishable from an ordinary Gazelle.
  26. makarov
    makarov 26 October 2013 20: 07
    +1
    Quote: Ural
    Charters, charters, but if the interested parties push this project forward, no one will think about charters .. It has already happened more than once, and will probably continue to be ... I always wonder to myself how the commission for the acceptance of equipment into service, and the purchase of samples ( and any) selects one of all possible instances? What and how is guided

    Uv. Uralets. By the word "statutes" I meant the niocra mechanism and the TK methodology. Remember! Until officially military equipment is put into service, it will NOT be SOLD to any buyer !!! Even for huge money !!! Adoption is not a mandatory purchase of equipment by the state. This is just a mandatory regulation. If the technique is not accepted for service but at the same time secretly (or explicitly) is exploited, then this is an article, and if someone else suffers, then the article is squared.
    Therefore, do not make public statements unless you have information.
  27. tomich
    tomich 26 October 2013 20: 09
    +1
    “Due to the large size and limited sector of fire, this car is unlikely to be used in a combat situation, directly in battle, but it fits perfectly for dispersal of unauthorized rallies and various kinds of actions of a hooligan crowd,” Bystrov noted.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 October 2013 20: 15
      +4
      It’s just their Wishlist. They wish themselves full-fledged military equipment, as in some 99th or 100th DON. However, since the ministry has BB in the position of poor relatives, they can only get the old one from the MO storage bases, or ersats like this truck instead of a full MRAP
  28. Corzic
    Corzic 26 October 2013 20: 41
    +3
    And the machine for dispersal of demonstrators is not expensive.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 26 October 2013 20: 52
      0
      Quote: Corzic
      And the machine for dispersal of demonstrators is not expensive.

      Nishtyak, just right to crush the belolentochnikov

      Make her bigger wheels. And with spikes

      The inscription on the back of an American truck in Iraq:
      This truck saved the life of me and another 5 soldiers. Basra, 2008
  29. Radioman
    Radioman 26 October 2013 21: 10
    +3
    In general, with these armored vehicles, some kind of carousel is unhealthy: "Boars", "Tigers", "Bars", "Typhoons", etc. It feels like we ourselves don't know what we want.
    At the beginning of work on the project of creating an armored car (and any other military equipment), the customer (military, Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc.) must clearly formulate the tactical and technical requirements for the future product and understand where, how, for what it will be used. Then a competition is announced, participants of the competition develop projects, realize them in metal, etc. Then they are presented to the customer, who already determines the winner and selects the equipment that best meets the previously formulated requirements. This is ideal. And now I am delivering equipment to the troops, and the military are beginning to think about where to use it, to disperse demonstrators or in battle.
  30. shtabs
    shtabs 26 October 2013 21: 22
    +2
    not the fact that it will be so ...
  31. DPN
    DPN 26 October 2013 23: 13
    +2
    Quote: killganoff
    To disperse cattle

    Under this word, the Russian working people are more likely to be included. It is necessary to agree with the people and not to disperse with the help of these Urals.
    For the army, perhaps they are useful for protection against an external enemy.
  32. chenia
    chenia 26 October 2013 23: 16
    +3
    I believe that all the logistics support equipment (combat support is unambiguous), from the regiment and lower should be armored (somewhat expensive, but should be in the troops of constant readiness).
    In the mobilization version, tractors and artillery transport, too.
  33. DPN
    DPN 26 October 2013 23: 24
    +3
    Quote: Leader


    The question is, why are VV-shniki such powerful armored cars? To fight with your people?

    You can negotiate with an external enemy, but not always with your people.
  34. Doctor71
    Doctor71 27 October 2013 00: 01
    +1
    In the first parts of the explosives, they have been fighting with their own people for almost ten years. All advanced media say. And secondly, the BB is no longer the Internal Guard Corps (Gendarmerie) and not the NKVD. And it is unlikely that ordinary non-elite units of the explosives will pacify the next revolution. There is no motivation. Yes, they were framed so many times ...
  35. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 October 2013 14: 15
    +1
    Quote: tomich
    BRAVO site, so filter information
    According to the deputy commander of the Vityaz Special Forces Center, Ministry of Internal Affairs Colonel Konstantin Bystrov, the car is "ideally suited" to disperse unauthorized rallies and actions.
    In general, they are ready to shoot at their own people, even though they raised their salaries!
    Thanks in advance for all the cons!

    Dreaming! bully
  36. Migari
    Migari 27 October 2013 15: 13
    0
    Quote: ivshubarin
    These vehicles are not for battle, but for the delivery of personnel to the war zone. Mine and ambush armor

    But the APCs we have to hell, the main thing for dispersing the people is ideal, we did not pull his tongue.
  37. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 October 2013 17: 51
    +1
    Quote: Migari
    Quote: ivshubarin
    These vehicles are not for battle, but for the delivery of personnel to the war zone. Mine and ambush armor

    But the APCs we have to hell, the main thing for dispersing the people is ideal, we did not pull his tongue.

    Pi ... to disperse and enough dogs .. Do not flatter yourself .. and this bronik is a good machine ..!
  38. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 October 2013 18: 47
    +1
    Quote: bask
    Quote: ivshubarin
    Moscow Region refused to purchase ZILs and UAZs, only KAMAZs and URALS. UAZ want to replace with SCORPIO

    Not only theirs but also armored "Galel" and SMP 2 "Tiger" (special police car).
    Corporation MIC (Gas).
    Armored special armored vehicle for the Ministry of Internal Affairs SPM-2 "Gazelle". Armored GOST with the 5th class of protection.
    Purpose –– use by operational units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in order to ensure territorial defense and counter-terrorism operations.

    "" "" ITAR-TASS, two policemen were killed in a terrorist attack on a VAZ-2106 car, their Gazelle was severely damaged. The armored police Gazelle was blown up by a suicide bomber who cut her off in a Six. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Dagestan, the power of the explosive device installed in the car was about 20 kg in t / e. "" "" Http://file-rf.ru/news/2635
    Here from such attacks of suicide bombers, and IEDs, armored cars of the Ministry of Internal Affairs should defend.

    Verified ..! And most importantly not noticeable ..
  39. mr.Man
    mr.Man 27 October 2013 18: 56
    +2
    Somewhere else on the repainted civil version, the cars are being rolled ...
    Let them supply everything, for starters .., and then choose ...
    ZY
    Quote: Migari
    ... And the APCs we have to hell, the main thing is to disperse the people ...

    Different people happen, some need to be crushed by caterpillars, so that the state-people would not be decomposed ...
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 27 October 2013 19: 05
      0
      "There are different people, some have to be crushed with caterpillars" Who do you think?
    2. alone
      alone 27 October 2013 19: 13
      +2
      Quote: mr.Man
      Different people happen, some need to be crushed by caterpillars, so that the state-people would not be decomposed ...


      I had a quite logical question. Can you push people under the tracks yourself, or as always, leave this infamous thing to others?