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Will gas come to Kiev ...

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Any country in the world is interested in taking measures to protect its energy security. Over time, dependence on Russian energy carriers has become an increasingly serious problem for Kiev. The constantly growing conflict between the Russian gas supplier and Naftagaz leads to the fact that Kiev is actively looking for other external sources of gas supplies to Ukrainian consumers. First and foremost, the Ukrainian authorities turned to their European neighbors for help.

I must say that Europe is not as strong as Ukraine depends on the supply of Russian gas. Gas comes to Europe in several main areas: from Russia, from North Africa (Algeria), from Central Asia, Turkey, Iraq and Azerbaijan via the Trans-Caspian channel. In addition, European countries themselves are making desperate attempts to relieve dependence on Russian OAO Gazprom.

In Europe, there is also its own “gas vein” - it is located in Norway. Together with Qatar, Norway has become the main supplier of gas to European countries, and every year Norway and Qatar are increasing their production of blue fuel. The supply of Norwegian gas is beneficial to Europeans, since gas is directly transited to consumers without intermediaries, while Russia is forced to use the Ukrainian gas transmission system. Some of the urgency of this problem for Russia was removed by the Nord Stream project, which made it possible to directly supply Russian gas to the EU countries. The receiving terminal is located in Lubmin (Germany), from where blue fuel enters the UK, Denmark, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and other countries. The construction of the South Stream gas pipeline is also underway.

Ukraine is well aware of the fact that Russia is taking concrete measures to supply gas without using Ukrainian and Belarusian gas transportation systems.

In this situation, one should not be surprised that Kiev has asked Poland and Hungary to reverse gas fuel to Ukraine. But the very first supplies showed that European gas turned out to be significantly more expensive than the Russian gas supplied under the contract with OAO Gazprom. Perhaps it is for this reason that it is very difficult to negotiate the supply of gas to Ukraine from Slovakia, the delivery of gas from Poland is suspended, and from Hungary it is halved. So, the attempt of Kiev due to reverse deliveries to reduce the volume of purchases of fuel from Gazprom failed. These events showed that the accusation of the Ukrainian authorities of overstating the Russian supplier of gas selling prices for Ukrainian consumers turned out to be untenable. The leading expert of the Union of Oil Industrialists of Russia R. Tankayev believes that with the reverse supply a significant increase in the cost of gas was due to the high cost of transporting the fuel, therefore reverse supplies became unprofitable for Ukraine. Yes, and from a technical point of view, the implementation of reverse supplies will require changes in the technological chain and reorientation of the direction in the operation of compressors: so that gas can go in the opposite direction. But in this case it will be impossible to supply Russian gas to Europe through the gas transmission system of Ukraine. And it is unlikely that the European Union will be delighted by this prospect.

But not only the price of gas in the reverse supply was the reason for Ukraine’s rejection of its project. The fact is that the contracts signed by Europeans with OAO Gazprom do not provide for reverse. And the Europeans do not want to violate the agreements with the Russian partner: energy security is a priority task of each country. In particular, with regard to Slovakia: Gazprom has already reserved and paid for the operation of the Slovak gas transmission system.

Kiev leaves no hope of achieving Russia's concession on the issue of gas prices in connection with Ukraine’s planned association with the EU. But according to the director of the National Energy Security Fund, K. Simonov, these expectations were not destined to be fulfilled: Brussels, no doubt, will adhere to a neutral position on this issue.

Despite the fact that the Prime Minister of Ukraine N. Azarov considers the cost of buying Russian gas by Ukraine to be too high, according to the terms of the already concluded contracts, Kiev cannot unilaterally withdraw from the agreements. In case of violation of the terms of the signed gas contracts by the Ukrainian side, OAO Gazprom has the right to impose sanctions on Naftagaz.

But the current situation for Ukraine with gas fuel is far from a dead end. The fact is that, it turns out, Ukraine has vast reserves of its hydrocarbon raw materials, gas and oil. Professor of the Ukrainian Oil and Gas Academy R. Yaremchuk is sure that the available reserves in Ukraine significantly exceed those of Russia. The scientist states: “They (stocks) are placed differently. In the western part - about a third of them, then the Dnieper-Donets Basin, then the South and the Black Sea. ” This conclusion he made on the basis of the Ukrainian-German studies. Scientists have proposed a new technology for gas production from gas hydrates. The essence of the method is the displacement of methane from gas-hydrate layers by carbon dioxide. This method is environmentally friendly, because it does not create the greenhouse effect. The developers are confident that if the Ukrainian government is able to attract investors to the implementation of such a project, then industrial gas can be obtained in a few years. The scientists' conclusion: “In terms of methane, the reserves of gas hydrates of the Black Sea, if we take the entire basin, are estimated at an average of 50 trillion. cubic meters. If for a unit of measurement we take the annual production of Ukraine (which is approximately 20 billion cubic meters), then 50 trillion. give gas reserves for several hundred, maybe thousands, years. Most of these deposits lie in the economic zone of Ukraine. ”

So far, the problem with the implementation of these plans is the bad Ukrainian investment policy and tax legislation. But foreign investors are still interested in Ukrainian raw materials. This is evidenced by the fact that the US corporation Total has signed an agreement with Eurogas on the assessment of reserves of shale gas deposits in Western Ukraine.

Undoubtedly, if Ukraine can start producing its own gas, then, according to a number of experts, in a few years it will be able to become a leader among blue fuel producers in Europe.

Materials used:
http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_10_23/Evropejskij-gaz-dlja-Ukraini-okazalsja-dorozhe-rossijskogo-2252/
http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/84744/
http://ruforum.mt5.com/threads/11515-gazovie-perspektivi-...plyus-minus-gazifikatsiya-vsey-evropi?p=6637188&viewfull=1
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2013 09: 16 New
    36
    The Ukrainian leadership itself sawed off the branch on which it sat.
    It seems that they ate too much fly agaric, more to annoy the damned Muscovites ... they’re ready to ... sing on the anthill.
    1. afire
      afire 28 October 2013 09: 21 New
      38
      We wish Ukrainian "businessmen" good luck in developing shale laughing
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 28 October 2013 10: 42 New
        17
        It is also written there from gas hydrates, the Japanese are struggling with the technology of extraction of these hydrates, in order to surpass the Japanese, Ukraine needs to develop energy production from deuterium and tritium and develop deposits, move to a new technological level in short. smile
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 28 October 2013 10: 49 New
        24
        Blessed is he who believes - warmth to him in the Light !!! On the issue of gas production from methane hydrates in the Black Sea - there is a small "trifle" - hydrogen sulfide, moreover, in some places of the Ukrainian shelf at depths of 60-80 m, and at the slightest gas leak under water, there will be a large colorful fire show, such the same as during the Yalta earthquake in the eighties. hi
        1. T-130
          T-130 28 October 2013 20: 54 New
          0
          In principle, this is real, a small trifle can also be processed to produce a by-product. The only question is the profitability and safety of such a project!
          1. hrych
            hrych 28 October 2013 21: 07 New
            +3
            There is also the speech of the great scientist about the substitution (injection) of carbon dioxide, i.e. they will burn coal (where to get carbon dioxide?) to produce environmentally friendly methane. The most important thing is the statement of the greatest Ukrainian scientist of all nations, that the reserves are larger than in all of Russia, apparently the great scientist of the size of the independent was slightly confused. Imagine the same shale gas and gas hydrates in Russia, also in huge quantities, like Russia itself.
            1. 528Obrp
              528Obrp 29 October 2013 04: 25 New
              0
              Quote: hrych
              carbon dioxide i.e. will burn coal (where to get carbon dioxide?)

              Carbon dioxide (carbon dioxide) is extracted from the air, nothing needs to be burned.
              1. hrych
                hrych 29 October 2013 21: 21 New
                +2
                So even if it is from the air, it’s not in vain, we need a technological process for trapping and separating gases (the main gas of the atmosphere is nitrogen - 78%, oxygen - 21%, carbon dioxide - 0,03%), then liquefaction, you need to spend energy everywhere and apply expensive chemicals.

                And industrial production is better with a quote:

                In industrial quantities, carbon dioxide is released from flue gases, or as a by-product of chemical processes, for example, in the decomposition of natural carbonates (limestone, dolomite) or in the production of alcohol. A mixture of the resulting gases is washed with a solution of potassium carbonate, which absorb carbon dioxide, passing into bicarbonate. When heated or under reduced pressure, the bicarbonate solution decomposes, releasing carbon dioxide. In modern carbon dioxide production plants, instead of bicarbonate, an aqueous solution of monoethanolamine is more often used, which under certain conditions is able to absorb CO способен contained in the flue gas, and when heated, give it away, thus, the finished product is separated from other substances.

                Carbon dioxide is also obtained in air separation plants as a by-product of the production of pure oxygen, nitrogen and argon.
                (what you meant, the ratio in the air is higher and, in comparison with Argon, which is 1% in air and whose production is very expensive, carbon dioxide in the air is less than three times).

                In laboratory conditions, small amounts are obtained by the interaction of carbonates and bicarbonates with acids, for example, marble, chalk or soda with hydrochloric acid. Using a reaction of sulfuric acid with chalk or marble leads to the formation of poorly soluble calcium sulfate, which interferes with the reaction, and which is removed by a significant excess of acid.

                In general, one carbon dioxide is completely bankrupt.
      3. AVV
        AVV 28 October 2013 11: 32 New
        +8
        Europe has already selected an island with energy resources in its favor and transferred it to the Romanians! Let them integrate further, maybe they will take something else that is unnecessary? Ecology for example! Garbage dumps in Europe for example organize ???
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    2. Anper
      Anper 28 October 2013 11: 41 New
      +8
      It’s not like putting an ant hill into the hive, sticking her, your beloved, if Europe said that it would not allow stolen money (obviously, not stored in Ukraine).
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 28 October 2013 19: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Ukrainian leadership itself sawed off the branch on which it was sitting. It seems that they ate mushrooms, more to annoy the damned Muscovites ... we are ready to ... get on the anthill.

      Ukraine today lives as "the outskirts of an empire" where laws, even laws of logic, do not work. And in such a country, of course, the most "nimble" ones come to power. They do not have a national idea and cannot be, they understand what needs to be taken today and as much as they will take away. Hence all the "ideas".

      However, you need to understand that modern Ukraine has nowhere to go from Russia. The entire economy was created in the USSR for the conditions of the USSR. Ukraine had tremendous industrial potential, which was tied to Russia's resources. And you can’t do without it. The only way for Ukraine to achieve true independence lies in the complete destruction of its economy and the creation of something new on its ruins that is not dependent on Russia. This is the path that the Ukrainian authorities are taking, and that this will lead to the extinction of a huge part of the people does not bother anyone. Although the people themselves are to blame for choosing such a power for themselves and continue to remain silent, seeing where they are going with this association agreement.
  2. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 28 October 2013 09: 18 New
    11
    Well, here you are engaged in production, not whining and theft of Russian gas.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 28 October 2013 11: 22 New
      +1
      "Well, go on with the production, do not whine and steal Russian gas."

      this is true of course, but only in relation to the Ukrainian authorities. but it hits the people who are not strangers to us.

      "So, Kiev's attempt to reduce the volume of fuel purchases from Gazprom by means of reverse supplies failed. These events showed that the accusation of the Ukrainian authorities in the Russian supplier's overstating gas selling prices for Ukrainian consumers turned out to be untenable."

      the author is wrong. What does reverse mean? this means that gas is pumped further than Ukraine - this is the price for transit + the price of gas for Europeans + the price added by Europeans = a very high price. and this price does not prove at all that Gazprom’s price for Ukraine is not overstated, although of course it is, but the evidence is delusional.
      and Gazprom does not sell gas to end Ukrainian consumers and sets prices for them; this is already done by the Ukrainian intermediary.
      My personal opinion is that the price of gas for Ukraine is overstated. at least 20%. and why this is so - a political issue, not an economic one.
      1. nnz226
        nnz226 28 October 2013 15: 20 New
        19
        quote: "" Well, here you go, get involved in the production, do not whine and steal Russian gas. "

        this is true of course, but only in relation to the Ukrainian authorities. but it also hits the people who are not strangers to us. "

        And who knocked on the barrels in 2004 with a squeal on the Maidan ?! These people fought in writhing "for democracy", howling: "We are rich at once!" - now they are "eating" scraps from the orange table.
      2. omsbon
        omsbon 28 October 2013 15: 26 New
        10
        Quote: Starfish
        "Well, go on with the production, do not whine and steal Russian gas."

        this is true of course, but only in relation to the Ukrainian authorities. but it hits the people who are not strangers to us.


        But now the question arises, why aren’t people alien to us supporting the hostile Bendery government?
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 28 October 2013 15: 50 New
          +6
          "Only now the question arises, why is it not a foreign nation to support the hostile Bender government?"

          firstly, not all and not even the majority. and secondly, the propaganda of the Ukrainian idea has been going on for 150 years., It’s stronger, then weaker.
        2. alone
          alone 28 October 2013 22: 14 New
          +2
          wassat
          Quote: omsbon
          But now the question arises, why aren’t people alien to us supporting the hostile Bendery government?


          where did you see my friend, so that the government adhered to the opinion of the people? There’s not even such a thing in Russia, why would they be surprised
      3. hrych
        hrych 28 October 2013 18: 54 New
        +1
        The price for the consumer is linked to the price of transit and the consumption of gas that is used for pumping, i.e. to the pumps. Hence the price is higher.
  3. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 28 October 2013 09: 20 New
    33
    It turns out Ukraine has huge reserves of its hydrocarbons, gas and oil. Professor of the Ukrainian Oil and Gas Academy R. Yaremchuk is sure that the available reserves in Ukraine significantly exceed the reserves of Russia.

    Interestingly, does he grow hemp himself or do students share?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 28 October 2013 09: 28 New
      20
      I think it’s easier, grant. Give him one more and he will write that world civilization came from Washington.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 October 2013 11: 43 New
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        Quote: kotvov
        I think it’s easier, grant. Give him one more and he will write that world civilization came from Washington.


        "Second France", "Gold Polubotka", "Diamonds of Poltava", "Gold of the Carpathians", "Gasoline from algae", and Julia also knew how to drill a hole in the Black Sea so that all oil from Saudi Arabia could be pumped out. :)
        Now they must be rescued by "target gas" and gas hydrates. Well, well, they cannot live without fairy tales.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 28 October 2013 13: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          Well, they can’t live without fairy tales.

          Our tale is good, start from the beginning laughing
        2. morpex
          morpex 28 October 2013 14: 32 New
          -8
          [quote = Ascetic] Well, they can’t live without fairy tales [/ quote
          Can not... lol By the way, you too ... laughing The only difference between us is that we have many "storytellers", you have one ... laughing
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 28 October 2013 15: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            The only difference between us is that we have many "storytellers", you have one ... laughing

            According to him, at present, the economic situation in the world is not simple, and Ukraine is also dependent on this. “There are no fairy tales in life. I will always tell you the truth. ”- assured V. Yanukovych.
            Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/567136-yanukovich-skazal-pensioneram-chto-v-jizni-skaz

            ok-ne-byivaet.html
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 October 2013 17: 59 New
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            Quote: morpex
            We can't ... By the way, you too ... The only difference between us is that we have many "storytellers", you have one.


            Only your fairy tale will become a reality, which we have already passed and it ended in default in 1998. Maybe you will have it with a happy ending, it's up to you to believe or not. Our business is not to allow former storytellers to power. and the one you call a storyteller won great authority and respect in the world, and your storytellers do not cause any feelings besides sarcasm. In addition to Westerners, we have at least the Starikov-Fedorov-Duginy-Fursov-PVO-NOD-and so on. you only have tyagniboks with timoshenoks. Yes, Klitschko boxers for money ready to appear in pederastical magazines. The whole clearing is cleared except for the orange, even Markov is closed. But we have bloody gebnya and totalitarianism and it turns out to be with you along the way.
            1. morpex
              morpex 28 October 2013 20: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              and the one whom you call a storyteller for

              Actually, I meant Onishchenko and not the one you are talking about.
              Quote: Ascetic
              you only have tyagniboks with timoshenoks. yes boxers Klitschko

              You forgot to add another corrupt CPU that drags us in the same team with the regionals, it’s not clear where.
              Quote: Ascetic
              But we have bloody gebnya and totalitarianism and it turns out to be with you along the way.

              I have never said such a thing before. About the fact that I don’t have much sympathy for Putin, I said yes. About the fact that I respect him for his consistency (although she, this sequence, hurts my country and my people without causing Unfortunately, no harm to either the tynebokam or the Anusovichs to any one in power), he also said.
              So, that is not necessary from a sick head to a healthy one.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 28 October 2013 21: 22 New
                +4
                Quote: morpex
                So, that is not necessary from a sick head to a healthy one.


                Sitting on a winter fishing trip, Putin, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev, and at a distance on the edge of Yushchenko was attached. They froze and decided to warm up, and at the same time to solve about the vehicle. Well spilled Yushch’s name and he doesn’t hear from afar, So they decided to figure out for three. And when Yanukovych came up, pour me a chtol, They tell him too late, my friend, they’ve already sentenced him all, Yushu was offered and he refused, he didn’t hear because he was sitting in a hat. So, Yanukovych was left alone on a cold lake without a hat. To hear a drink they’ll call for a freebie. They don’t call for a freebie anymore, but the foreign fishermen demand to give a fishing rod for a glass and a poor catch. That tormented with a sore head with a hangover.

                1. morpex
                  morpex 28 October 2013 22: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Yes, do not call for free then

                  I didn’t see how many things I’ve read, but honestly, I haven’t seen any freebies with Ukraine’s accession to the CU. By the way, I have also joined the EU. The only difference is that the European Union promises more benefits for. which of course is hard to believe.
        3. Botanologist
          Botanologist 28 October 2013 22: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          Well, they can’t live without fairy tales.


          I spent a year at 1993 with relatives, one of my friends came to them, an ardent supporter of independence. He told me in all seriousness that even under Tsar Gorokh, the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks transferred 20 barrels of gold to the English bank for storage. And now, as soon as Ukraine separates, this English bank will immediately repay all interest on contributions on a global scale. And all Ukrainian people will hire Arab sheikhs with polishers and watchmen. fellow .
          And you say gas hydrates wassat . There storytellers are completely desperate in government.
          1. Polovec
            Polovec 28 October 2013 23: 01 New
            0
            It's great! You look and America will give us interest for Alaska! In the footcloths from Versace we’ll go home!
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 28 October 2013 23: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Polovec
              In the footcloths from Versace we’ll go home!


              For me it’s better to let Versace go home in the footcloths from us.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 29 October 2013 00: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Botanologist
            even under Tsar Gorokh, Zaporizhzhya Cossacks transferred 20 barrels of gold to the Bank of England for storage.

            This is a myth about the treasure of Hetman Polubotko. When I was in the USSR I went. Like, he bequeathed the money to be given when Ukraine becomes free and independent. we were still joking at school: "Let's leave the USSR, take the money from England and come back. So much has run over there with interest that England will become our colony." Well, there was no nezalezhnosti and no. Apparently that's why the impudent Englishmen don't give money! laughing
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 October 2013 09: 29 New
      +9
      Hike in the Chuy valley went. laughing
      1. Pit
        Pit 28 October 2013 09: 48 New
        13
        Quote: Wedmak
        Hike in the Chuy valley went.

        No, no, I was there, it sticks out much softer.
        To conquer the galaxy with the help of one platoon of a building battalion, yes, but it would be a mistake to say that Ukraine doesn’t measure gas, because there’s not enough grass there. Apparently somewhere another dope grabbed laughing
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 28 October 2013 10: 00 New
          +8
          Apparently somewhere another dope grabbed

          Turned to Afghanistan on the way.
        2. I do not care
          I do not care 28 October 2013 10: 04 New
          13
          Ukraine is the leader in gas production in Europe laughing Genetically modified hemp.
          1. wk-083
            wk-083 29 October 2013 04: 11 New
            +1
            Guys where to buy such grass to drive their six hundredths of Rosneft ?! fellow
    3. Lantau
      Lantau 28 October 2013 09: 58 New
      10
      You wrote it right, otherwise you just have to add yourself, Mr. Professor - stop smoking so grassy grass lol
      1. Pit
        Pit 28 October 2013 10: 06 New
        +8
        Or let him say where he takes, so that everyone is on the same wavelength with him, otherwise it becomes wassat
  4. domokl
    domokl 28 October 2013 09: 23 New
    34
    I read the article with a deep sense of satisfaction. I congratulate Ukraine on overcoming energy dependence on Russia! I think that it will become a worthy competitor in the gas industry! laughing
    Well, as for an adult, let God seek and let God find what they want. I will not be sad to gloat, be glad, I’m tired of the hell ...
  5. major071
    major071 28 October 2013 09: 23 New
    25
    The Ukrainian analogue of the Russian "Gazprom" is "Gazprom". wassat
  6. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 28 October 2013 09: 25 New
    +5
    Another crazy professor
  7. makarov
    makarov 28 October 2013 09: 29 New
    21
    Sometimes you have to visit the Poltava region, Sumy region, Kharkiv region - gas towers are not measured. Local Aborigines clearly know which of the party bonzes, and which tower belongs. Only Naftogaz does not see this, they are used to walking with outstretched hands. For the most part, the population has gas metering, and they do not care who they pay, the tariff is the same everywhere - predatory.
    1. morpex
      morpex 28 October 2013 14: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      gas towers, not measured

      If you have your own well, then life is established .. good I recently read somewhere. One seedy derrick brings net profit per day somewhere around 70000 euro money ...
      Quote: makarov
      Local Aborigines

      Who are you talking about? About your people? Does not make you such statements of honor, Mr. Conquistador ....
      1. piotr534
        piotr534 28 October 2013 22: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: makarov
        Local Aborigines
        Who are you talking about? About your people? Does not make you such statements of honor, Mr. Conquistador ....
        Actually in the word aborigine there is nothing reprehensible. It means a native.
  8. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 October 2013 09: 33 New
    +4
    Well, Ukraine will now be able not only to hold SS gay parades, but also to “sell” its own gas to Europe, although it’s interesting, and Ukraine shares the “universal” values ​​that Ukrainian gas is common, so you have to share it?
  9. os9165
    os9165 28 October 2013 09: 34 New
    +8
    They won’t come up with it, if only Gazprom made concessions. Turn on your brains, otherwise Total will help you. As I understand it, Poland and Hungary have already helped.
  10. ImPerts
    ImPerts 28 October 2013 09: 34 New
    20
    They haven’t finished shale yet, but have already set their sights on gas hydrates. As a result, after the first, Ukraine will cease to be a breadbasket, and after the development of the second, it will become a health resort.
  11. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 28 October 2013 09: 36 New
    +8
    ... in a few years, she will be able to become a leader among blue fuel miners in Europe. - Something recently Ukraine, like Ostap, "suffered" - then thanks to them, the EU will emerge from the crisis, then in Syria they cannot do without Ukraine ... nothing but "megalomania" (delirium of grandeur) .. well, straight Ukraine is omnipotent ... hi
  12. bootlegger
    bootlegger 28 October 2013 09: 40 New
    +7
    The search for cheap gas has become manic obsessive, like the search for a perpetual motion machine.
    Direct this energy, but in the right direction ....
  13. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 28 October 2013 09: 40 New
    +4
    Undoubtedly, if Ukraine can start producing its own gas, then, according to a number of experts, in a few years it will be able to become a leader among blue fuel producers in Europe.

    And who checked the registration and source of income of these "ehperds"? New Vasyuki some.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 October 2013 09: 51 New
      20
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Undoubtedly, if Ukraine can start producing its own gas, then, according to a number of experts, in a few years it will be able to become a leader among blue fuel producers in Europe.


      If Ukraine in a few years will exist at all! So far, Ukraine has been reducing purchases from Gazprom for one such small reason - enterprises are closing down. Although out loud, of course, they don’t talk about it.
      A few years later, as if it was not necessary to remember Gogol! "Well, son? Did your damn Poles help you?"
  14. morpogr
    morpogr 28 October 2013 09: 43 New
    +5
    If these assistants find something in Ukraine, they will earn only for themselves, and the people will again have promises of a bright future. And local princes are already dismissed for this.
  15. DNX1970
    DNX1970 28 October 2013 09: 47 New
    +3
    the seeker will find ... good luck!
  16. Korben
    Korben 28 October 2013 09: 48 New
    +6
    Already got this topic with gas! Another public warm-up! Took a noble troll!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 28 October 2013 10: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: Korben
      Already got this topic with gas!

      The topic of energy security (read INDEPENDENCE) is no longer relevant?
      Then tell me the topic "on the topic of the day" ...
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 28 October 2013 10: 51 New
        +3
        and what was agreed in Minsk there?
        that’s the topic ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 October 2013 13: 47 New
          +7
          [quote = zmey_gadukin] but what was agreed in Minsk there?
          here is the topic ... [/ quote]

          whether Ukraine will be able to apply for membership in the Customs Union after signing an agreement with Europe. The Russian President responded negatively and explained why: [quote] [quote] [quote] "It is impossible, because within the framework of this Association it is supposed to create a free trade zone between the European Union and Ukraine. Within the framework of this free trade zone, Ukraine undertakes to implement on its territory the rules and regimes of the EU trade policy. One of the provisions states that upon final assembly on the territory of Ukraine, the goods will be considered of Ukrainian origin, even if they are produced from components of the EU countries. Well, what is this? This is called a screwdriver assembly. And we do not want to have a screwdriver assembly on our territory on a massive scale. Therefore, we reserve the right to use protocol number 6 - the agreement on a free trade zone, in order to protect our market. This does not mean that we will prohibit the import of Ukrainian goods into the Russian market. But this means that these goods will not enjoy preferential treatment within the free trade zone. "[/ Quote [/ quote] [/ quote]
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 October 2013 14: 00 New
            10
            Here is an example from the FTA agreement. By duties for all items of goods for import to Ukrainecustoms rates are given as a percentage (of the price declared by the supplier) and range from 0 to 10% (higher - extremely rare) But in EU duties, the fixed rate of customs duty is very often found, for many items it is generally “free”, t. e. The EU can set the one that it considers necessary and has the right to change at any time.
            A specific example of pork is the import duty for the EU of its pork 5%, for Ukrainian 10,2% and
            “+ 93.1 € / 100 kg / net.” Those. at the average European wholesale price of 2 € / kg or less, we get 50-60% duty, which cannot be called otherwise prohibitive

            butter,
            “There” - 189.6 € / 100 kg / net; “From there” - 10%, and even “30% lower sales 5 rokiv”

            wheat and corn - European duty 94 € / ton, plus a quota of 950-1000 and 400-650 thousand tons, respectively (flour is included in this quota)... Above this quota, Ukrainians are forbidden to sell, so that they could not dump and compete with Europeans. After all, Europeans receive considerable subsidies from their states.
            "Vegetable fats" - here the duty is only 3,2%, well, so the interest of "Europe" is that oilseed crops killing soil (agronomy requires that they plant a plot no more than once every seven years) were grown for it in Ukraine, it is well known.
            There are almost no duties on raw materials and the chemical industry, which is why Ukraine is so happy about upcoming energy independence. there is a shortage of raw materials in Europe (therefore, import duties on them are still small without any free trade zones), and the desire is also clear move away environmentally harmful production with a low level of added value.
            Including mining shale and hydrates. But for metallurgy installed “Free” duty (zero to the EU from Ukraine)Now it’s not even known which one. It resembles a usual divorce demanding to sign an empty protocol or a blank sheet of paper. There can be only one explanation here - while retaining freedom of action in this extremely sensitive issue for the Ukrainian oligarchs, “Europe” can hold them (and the government representing their interests) on a short leash, not allow any “liberties”.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 28 October 2013 14: 03 New
              14
              This is already happening. Recently, some kind of State Department clerk, like a senior assistant to a junior janitor, announced that
              Ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko should have the right to participate in future presidential elections of Ukraine in 2015, the US State Department said.

              link
              What kind of sovereignty can be discussed after that. Let us ask ourselves what would be Putin’s reaction if the State Department mongrel strongly recommended Khodorkovsky’s mandatory participation in the presidential election in 2018? In Ukraine, they silently wiped themselves and swallowed.
              In general, the FTZ does not open, in fact, any markets, does not bring any benefits to any of the sectors of the Ukrainian economy, and many dooms it to death. AT The Customs Union is completely free of duties, it opens its traditional market for Ukrainian agriculture and mechanical engineering, as well as other industries.
              from the point of view of citizens, they say that now imported goods will become cheaper and more affordable, investments will flow to Ukraine and new jobs will be created, IMF loans for the development of the Ukrainian economy. Yes, they will become for wholesalers and dealers, and what about the end consumer through a chain of intermediaries? Get cheaper?
              Let jobs be created at foreign enterprises, but where can Ukrainian ones who have not stood the competition get to? They will only go to work from Kharkov to Belgorod. Well, about IMF loans, it’s enough to recall the tales of the cunning Livshits and Gref in the 90s and how it all ended. We also believed 25 years ago, like many Ukrainians now in European happiness, but the hangover came quickly. But the experience of the brothers does not teach anything, they are more used to trust other people's smart uncles.
              1. Mature naturalist
                Mature naturalist 28 October 2013 22: 31 New
                +2
                Quote: Ascetic
                They will go to work from Kharkov to Belgorod, that's all

                Today in the news it was that they would travel on foreign passports, but, truth, so far without visas.
              2. roial
                roial 28 October 2013 22: 57 New
                0
                Let’s ask what Putin’s reaction would be.


                And do not tell me what was his reaction to the participation of Navalny (US agent) in the elections to Moscow’s measures ?????

                Or do you think that by joining Ukraine in the Customs Union, Russia will not limit the import of cheap Ukrainian products to its territory in order to protect its producers ????? Especially as you write
                The Customs Union is completely free of duties

                Ukrainian products and now with import duties are cheaper than Russian, and in their absence it will be even cheaper ???
                Do not confuse politics with business, these are two different things.
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 29 October 2013 01: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: roial
                  Or do you think that by joining Ukraine in the Customs Union, Russia will not limit the import of cheap Ukrainian products to its territory in order to protect its producers ????? Especially as you write


                  Ukraine now enjoys benefits (in particular, the absence of duties on goods) in the framework of the FTA of the CIS and not the CU, after joining the FTA of the EU, it will lose them and trade stupidly according to WTO rules. Lavrov said the same thing at a press conference with the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry in Rostov
                  "There will be no talk of any ban on the supply of goods from the territory of Ukraine, these goods will be used on the basis of the norms of the world trade organization in the most favorable regime, but privileges, which in addition to this regime arise from participation in the agreement on a free trade zone in the Commonwealth of Independent States, of course, these privileges will cease to be valid"

                  The trade turnover of Russia and Ukraine in the 1st half of 2013 amounted to 17,2 billion US dollars (76,9% of the level of the 1st half of 2012).

                  Exports of goods from Ukraine amounted to $ 7,6 billion (85,6%).

                  Imports of goods from Russia amounted to 9,6 billion US dollars (70,7%).

                  The negative balance of trade in goods for Ukraine amounted to 2,0 billion US dollars.

                  The share of Russia in the total volume of trade of Ukraine in January-June 2013 amounted to 26,2% (a year earlier - 30,0%), including in the export of Ukrainian goods - 24,7% (a year earlier - 26,0%), in imports - 27,5%
                  (33,3%).

                  "Agreement on a free trade zone" (signed in St. Petersburg on October 18.10.2011, XNUMX)
                  So compare what Ukraine will lose and what it will gain in the EU (I already wrote about this)
                  There is another analysis of the clauses of the Agreement here
                  1. Alekseev
                    Alekseev 31 October 2013 13: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    So compare what Ukraine will lose and what it will gain in the EU (I already wrote about this)
                    There is another analysis of the clauses of the Agreement here

                    Dear Ascetic, thanks for the comment.
                    It is a pity that some apologists of independent geyropeization argue and swear on the site, up to the point of "splashing saliva", but they don't read the "primers". News on "Inter" looked with one eye and popped on the forum to prove that lying is better than standing ... laughing
              3. Kasym
                Kasym 29 October 2013 00: 19 New
                +4
                Ascetic (Stanislav), hello! Recently Akim from Ukraine argued that the FTA between Turkey and the EU is "heavenly manna" for the Turks, and that they will never change this cooperation for any vehicle. Then I strongly doubted (somewhere before I read that the FTA with the EU is a one-sided game), but there were no facts. Therefore, thank you very much for your comment. hi
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 29 October 2013 00: 46 New
                  +2
                  Kasim, it is not for nothing that Turkey expressed a desire to join the CU. This was said by Nazarbayev in Minsk.
                  Nazarbayev explained that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan asked him to join the TC. The Kazakh president noted that he supported the initiative of Ankara. According to him, the EurAsEC is criticized by Western countries, whose representatives suspect members of the organization in an attempt to recreate the Soviet Union or an integration association controlled by Russia.

                  The head of state noted that if Turkey joins the CU, unpleasant questions of foreign partners will disappear by themselves. Nazarbayev also urged to refuse to provide any benefits to states wishing to become members of the Customs Union. In his opinion, Armenia, Tajikistan and other CIS republics should join the organization on a common basis.

                  Read more: http://www.km.ru/world/2013/10/24/organizatsiya-tamozhennogo-soyuza/723774-nazar
                  baev-predlozhil-raspustit-evrazes-ip

                  Of course, in many ways, this is a game of Nazarbayev’s interests, first of all to the peak of Armenia because there are joint interests with Azerbaijan, but the fact itself says that the CU is not such a worthless organization, especially India is also interested.
                  "It is not a big secret that Kazakhstan, in fact, cooperates with Azerbaijan on oil and gas issues. At the same time, Nazarbayev was skeptical about Armenia's desire to join the Customs Union. For Azerbaijan, undoubtedly, this was bad news in the spirit of that confrontation , which in fact exists today between Azerbaijan and Armenia. However, of course, Vladimir Putin won the victory. For publicly both Nazarbayev and Lukashenko, who also have separate relations with Azerbaijan, at least the debts that Belarus made from Azerbaijan were forced to welcome Armenia's entry into the Customs Union, "

                  Head of the Institute of CIS Countries Konstantin Zatulin.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 28 October 2013 13: 56 New
        +2
        The topic is relevant, but the question is who? as? and at what level does it serve?
        For example. you will not argue that the topic of Russia's position in the world is relevant. But the article "What is Russia doing in the G8". which you hung today, you will throw in the bin.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 28 October 2013 23: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Walker1975
          you will not argue that the topic of Russia's position in the world is relevant.


          We are not talking about the position of Ukraine in the world. We are talking about specific arguments for the development of Ukraine - in the CU or the EU. Ascetic wrote the facts. What situation will the people have after the implementation of everything provided for - you yourself can imagine. And the situation in the world depends to a large extent on the availability of production, science, the army, and resources. Look at China or, if you do not like it, at Brazil. Or to Indonesia. developing an economy based on its markets for its goods, and not vice versa.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 28 October 2013 10: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Korben
      Already got this topic with gas!

      The topic of energy security (read INDEPENDENCE) is no longer relevant?
      Then tell me the topic "on the topic of the day" ...
    3. tor11121
      tor11121 28 October 2013 11: 13 New
      11
      at least they buy from you, but drown. and we live in Siberia, we heat wood at home.
      1. Egen
        Egen 28 October 2013 11: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: tor11121
        and we live in Siberia, we heat wood at home

        Sergey, where are you in Siberia - drowning with firewood ?! wink
        4 years ago, in Kuzbass we had a week -53С, the stove was heated every 2 hours - there wasn’t enough charcoal to burn, and you were firewood :) Fortunately, we live in Kuzbass ... Of course, there are a lot of cancer diseases from coal, but - warm ...
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 28 October 2013 11: 26 New
          +5
          and where are you in Siberia - drowning with firewood ?!

          Where? in taiga laughing
          1. Egen
            Egen 28 October 2013 11: 29 New
            0
            .. and in our taiga gas is one time, coal is two, but trucks do not carry firewood - they cannot drive there :)
            1. Starfish
              Starfish 28 October 2013 11: 31 New
              +4
              in our Kuzbass

              so this is Kuzbass, in bulk coal, and what kind of taiga is there? here we have taiga - all taiga taiga laughing
              1. Egen
                Egen 28 October 2013 11: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Starfish
                and what taiga is there? here we have taiga - all taiga taiga

                And where - do you have something? If Tomsk or Krasnoyarsk - and there it is full of gas and oil :)
                Offend, what a taiga! In the western part of Kuzbass - yes, the steppe and forest-steppe, and to the east, near Tom and to Krasnoyarsk - we even have Bigfoot! wink Well, hermits live :)
                Where are the largest mines and open pits in the Novokuznetsk region and the gas field in the same place - of course, they chopped it off :(, but still bears are found in the field.
                1. Starfish
                  Starfish 28 October 2013 11: 45 New
                  +2
                  And where - do you have something? If Tomsk or Krasnoyarsk - and there it is full of gas and oil :)

                  Omsk region. oil bucket, yes gas spray. we do not have any natural resources suitable for industrial development. but in the north of the region beyond the Irtysh taiga and not even a single settlement to the tundra itself.
                  1. Egen
                    Egen 28 October 2013 11: 54 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Starfish
                    Omsk Region

                    Well, you say, too - you have the taiga :))
                    Here in the north you have - yes, that's right, but Omsk itself is a bare field :) True, entering the city is extremely convenient on our part - no traffic jams! And the condensed milk is good :) True, something Belarusian and Smolenskaya supplanted it :( :)
                    1. xan
                      xan 28 October 2013 12: 09 New
                      0
                      Quote: Egen
                      And the condensed milk is good:

                      Right! I have not seen in St. Petersburg for a long time.
                    2. Field
                      Field 28 October 2013 12: 49 New
                      0
                      But how is it? laughing
                      1. Egen
                        Egen 28 October 2013 13: 58 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Field
                        But how heavy

                        What are you! As years ... 10 ago, the heavy plant was resold to someone, and they introduced cost-saving regimes there, so condensed milk became inedible in general! About a year ago - I didn’t have another in the store - I think I suddenly corrected myself, I took garbage with cocoa :( But in Soviet times it was probably the best in the USSR, at least they brought it by pull ... from Mongolia :))
                        :) You would also remember the famous even in Moscow sweets "Kuzbass" - bast shoes in chocolate with jam and pine nuts :): ((
            2. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 28 October 2013 11: 33 New
              +2
              We also have firewood and frost under minus 50
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 28 October 2013 11: 34 New
                +3
                A pipe from Sakhalin is very close
          2. tor11121
            tor11121 28 October 2013 13: 30 New
            +4
            wassat wassat Novosibirsk region. The city of 6 thousand people the gas supply is 10 percent no more. I don’t even have to talk about peselki. I don’t know whether gas will reach Kiev, and they seem to promise by 2037. I’d like to take a look at it nature miracle!
      2. vik-tor
        vik-tor 28 October 2013 11: 40 New
        +5
        that’s right, we got holes in our houses 5 years ago, but we don’t have gas, for those who were lucky with the bosses were lucky.
        1. Egen
          Egen 28 October 2013 11: 42 New
          +2
          Victor, again - where do you geographically? :) In our village too - they made one street ... :(
          But, I already talked about the structure of the distribution of investments in the gasification sector - the local administration is responsible for connecting to houses from the local gas distribution system from its budget, and not the structure of Gazprom :(
    4. Technocrat
      Technocrat 28 October 2013 18: 18 New
      +2
      But Boval (sometimes I read his last name as Puke) can explain why gas in Russia and Ukraine is almost the same price for the population, or why gasoline is almost equal in price, or for example why electricity in Russia is 2 times more expensive than in Ukraine, I wonder where they go this money, frankly speaking, I don’t see much prosperity for the people here, the bulk are simply begging, although if you look at Putin-TV, Russia has already overtaken Chvrentia, and has come close to Germany for all economic indicators .....
  17. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2013 09: 53 New
    0
    But will they not cleanse in Ukraine after some time, when they will be thrown by future partners? But would they want to take Russian gas again?
    1. Korben
      Korben 28 October 2013 09: 56 New
      +5
      The current companions are far from ideal ... So they squeak now, already ...
  18. pensioner
    pensioner 28 October 2013 09: 54 New
    +5
    Professor of the Ukrainian Oil and Gas Academy R. Yaremchuk is confident that the available reserves in Ukraine significantly exceed the reserves of Russia.
    Oops! Goodbye Yamal, goodbye Urengoy type ... Sadness crying
    1. avt
      avt 28 October 2013 10: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Professor of the Ukrainian Oil and Gas Academy R. Yaremchuk

      Strange, why not an academician of gas sciences?
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 October 2013 10: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: avt
        not a gas sciences academician?

        ....... learn to scientifically spray gas.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 28 October 2013 10: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: avt
        why not an academician of gas sciences?

        I think so because the "academician of gas sciences" is not prestigious in Ukraine. negative They have academicians of "gas sciences" there, full of them: Kuchma, and yusch, and Yulia ... And this is only in the higher echelons. And take it below? Yes there is any engineer at gas metering stations, academician of "gas sciences"! But with oil it is more difficult. recourse
        1. anatoliy.colonel
          anatoliy.colonel 28 October 2013 11: 36 New
          +1
          what a "smart" you are, but did not ask yourself a question about the fact that all the Tyumen fields were serviced and maintained by specialists of the Ivano Frankovsk Institute of Oil and Gas. Read I. Frank Fata Morgana and you will know where the first oil began to be produced.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 28 October 2013 12: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: anatoliy.colonel
            all Tyumen deposits were serviced and serviced by specialists of the Ivano-Frankivsk Oil and Gas Institute.

            Straight ALL ?? what
            Quote: anatoliy.colonel
            Read I. Frank
            Read it yourself.
          2. Tyumen
            Tyumen 28 October 2013 23: 07 New
            +1
            At our university, the oil and gas horseradish knows how many years it costs,
            long ago their specialists as dogs uncut.
  19. Bigriver
    Bigriver 28 October 2013 09: 58 New
    +1
    ... an obstacle to the implementation of these plans is the bad Ukrainian investment policy and tax legislation.

    Just? Fi-and-and ... Europe will help you and ka-a-ak will heal !!!
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 28 October 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    if Ukraine can start producing its own gas, then, according to some experts, in a few years it will be able to become a leader among the producers of blue fuel in Europe.
    Well, well ... the flag in hand.
  21. zvereok
    zvereok 28 October 2013 10: 06 New
    +7
    In fact, the fantasy projects of the Ukrainian elite is their last straw to maintain power. Even joining the CU will not help, at least in the foreseeable future, restore Ukrainian industry. Over the years of the crisis, little has remained of it (judging by the reduction in gas consumption).

    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 28 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: zvereok
      when will they put Serdyukov?

      When the Vipov prison will be completed ...
      1. vadson
        vadson 28 October 2013 22: 41 New
        +1
        in the caribbean? fellow
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 28 October 2013 10: 24 New
      +6
      Whoever planted him is a monument (of our era)
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    1. Technocrat
      Technocrat 28 October 2013 22: 09 New
      +1
      What do you ... mmmm ... mmm. unusual face ... I would say the original
  23. Burbur
    Burbur 28 October 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    Yes Yes. Peremoga! Becoming closer and closer! Just a little bit more and panovat (tm)!

    But seriously - another nonsense.
  24. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 28 October 2013 10: 28 New
    +3
    Blessed is he who believes.
  25. Migari
    Migari 28 October 2013 10: 34 New
    +3
    It’s one thing to speak with the tongue that they will completely abandon our gas, it’s another thing to do something alternative, as you can’t see, it’s not for you to poke it off the pipe, turned the valve and that’s it.
  26. Egen
    Egen 28 October 2013 10: 39 New
    +6
    As far as I am aware of the calculations, extracting gas from hydrates is even more expensive than from shale. If shale gas without tax and other benefits does not roll (to the market) at cost, what can we say about this. The cost of producing coal bed methane is lower than that of shale. However, Shell for some reason gave in our Kuzbass a negative conclusion about their intentions to invest (although it is understandable for some reason - LNG on Sakhalin is certainly more profitable and the main thing is not to be dirty), but they climbed into the Ukrainian shale. Something is strange, what kind of extra-personnel there is interesting :) conditions ... But anyway, something is not heard of success.
    And here, in general, there is no industrial production technology, efficiency is negative according to today's laws, and most importantly, huge capital investments are needed, which not only Ukraine has - Europe does not have it (to replace gas in such a volume). In general, somehow .... funny so far.

    Help.
    The coal seam methane boom began in the United States with the adoption of the law in 1980, according to which the tax was returned to enterprises - producers (producers) of non-traditional types of energy. The tax refund rate was linked to the energy (Btu) of 1 barrel of oil. In particular, for methane it was _on average_ up to 50% of the cost of its production! (True, before taxation, their taxes ... are many and large). The law ceased to operate in 1993, payments were made before 2003, but the R&D backbone gave impetus to the development of new production technologies - more efficient and cheaper. And then, from the middle of the 2000's, the shale boom also began - thanks to these technologies. All over the world.
    BUT. The maximum volume of methane production in coal seams covered only 7,3% of all demand in the USA, now methane is about 7% and oil shale 11% - total 18%!

    Conclusions:
    1) No oil shale or something unconventional, in principle, can "feed" a single country
    2) Especially for those who come to Gazprom because of its supposedly privileges: we simply do not dream of such privileges as in the USA according to unconventional sources, and what are there in India and China ...
    By the way, by the way, as far as I was informed, under the programs for the development of LNG refueling in the USA, there is a huge government subsidy for refueling and returning 50% of the cost of a truck! Somewhere in. Nagan, is that true?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 28 October 2013 10: 44 New
      +3
      You can mine methane by covering manure or garbage canopy with a dome, but this is not long and long
  27. Gecko
    Gecko 28 October 2013 10: 53 New
    0
    Ukrainians also forgot to mention pig fat.
  28. VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +3
    Professor of the Ukrainian Oil and Gas Academy R. Yaremchuk is sure that the available reserves in Ukraine significantly exceed the reserves of Russia. The scientist claims: “They (stocks) are placed differently. In the western part - about a third of them, then the Dnieper-Donetsk depression, then the South and the Black Sea. ”

    There is a saying: - "Fool, he is getting richer with his dummy"!
    Ukrainian politicians should read the play (M. Staritskiy) or watch the film (V. Ivanova) - "Chasing Two Hares" and decide whether with a "bare ass" to Europe, or in the circle of fraternal peoples.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 28 October 2013 15: 48 New
      15
      And that the Ukrainian people will not be intimidated by anything. Our salaries are lower than in the Customs Union, prices are higher than in the European Union. The guarantor thinks how to keep the chair and lies to everyone. The authorities brazenly steal underdocuments and rob citizens "according to the notions" protected by the lured prosecutor's office, pocket judges and outlaws, legalized bandits in police uniforms.
      Dear Russians! Ordinary citizens. How much do you pay for gas and gas? Why did you set your own property prices so dearly? They rob you, however, just like us. Your and our oil and gas thieves from one criminal group and their task is not to protect the interests of states, but to sew as much as possible into your pockets from these states.
      Capitalism, however. Only a thirst for profit, turning into greed and nothing more.
      1. alone
        alone 28 October 2013 22: 16 New
        +1
        Captain Vrungel! per comment +. soldier
  29. 222222
    222222 28 October 2013 10: 57 New
    +7
    "Any country in the world is interested in taking measures to protect its energy security"
    1. Those who talk about energy security would like to say: "live within your means"
    2. The term "Energy security" in the era of globalization is a skillfully invented and thrown in the term - "bogey of the West" (scarecrow) for solving economic problems (including lowering gas prices) by political means. Remember - were there any problems with the supply of gas and oil from the USSR to Europe during the confrontation of two economic systems: the systems of capitalism and socialism with different forms of ownership of the main means of production ???
    3. When this "scarecrow" appeared .. After the collapse of the USSR, the main EXTERNAL goal (the goal of the West, but not the 5th column and the highest state apparatus of the country) of which was free access of the West to the energy resources of the Soviet Union. In the course of the successful operation by the West, the goals and objectives were partially fulfilled. The Caspian and Central Asian oil and gas regions (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan ..) were successfully removed from the common system) .. The task of free access to Russian energy resources (the Khodorkovsky-Yavlinsky scam) has successfully failed .. "One far away" as Putin said .. the second .. "bites the apples" ..
  30. largus886
    largus886 28 October 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    Tales of a white bull!
  31. kirgudu
    kirgudu 28 October 2013 11: 16 New
    0
    Shale gas ... Another bike.

    I have a strong feeling that with the anti-people leadership of Ukraine it will be proposed to heat the stoves, sorry, corpses.
  32. Vaskes
    Vaskes 28 October 2013 11: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: largus886
    . But foreign investors are still interested in Ukrainian raw materials. This is evidenced by the fact that the American corporation Total signed an agreement with Eurogas to conduct an assessment of the reserves of shale gas deposits in Western Ukraine.

    Shale gas production is labor intensive, requiring high energy costs and is very harmful to the environment.
  33. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 28 October 2013 11: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: kirgudu
    I have a strong feeling that with the anti-people leadership of Ukraine it will be proposed to heat the stoves, sorry, corpses.

    Right Especially after hydrates. There is a lot of hydrogen sulfide in the sea! And he is a terrible poison. With such mining
    " the displacement of methane from gas hydrate beds by carbon dioxide. ". It will be associated gas. The Japanese have long been working on hydrates, but only results are not yet visible.
  34. anatoliy.colonel
    anatoliy.colonel 28 October 2013 11: 49 New
    -5
    Of course, you can talk and write a lot, you can even add to the point that in Ukraine there is an anti-people leadership, if you please, ask what we have. It’s just that Russia, in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the EU, wants to annoy Ukraine by all means. Now we have found a new way of gas. And the fact that Ukraine has gas is oil. the one who served in western Ukraine probably remembers how many oil rigs stood there, we even had a tower in the territory of the unit, so there is less sarcasm. EU will help, and who will help us.
  35. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 28 October 2013 11: 58 New
    +6
    Quote: anatoliy.colonel
    The EU will help Ukraine, and who will help us.

    Well yes. Of course it will help !!! Cyprus for example or Iceland, Spain, Portugal. He will tell you how to save "correctly" and drive you into debt, and then he will steer like in a colony. So we will tell you the same - live within your means! Only this is free advice and you don't need to join anywhere!
  36. Stinger
    Stinger 28 October 2013 12: 08 New
    +1
    Can all the same fat try to heat?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 28 October 2013 12: 26 New
      +7
      Do not encroach on the holy laughing
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 28 October 2013 13: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Stinger
        Stinger SU Today, 12:08 PM

        Can all the same fat try to heat?


        so fat that imported yes
  37. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 28 October 2013 12: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Stinger
    Can all the same fat try to heat?

    What for? Inside 150, bacon to bite! And -40 to the bulb. Which gas? Gorilka !!!
  38. Fitter65
    Fitter65 28 October 2013 13: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: VadimSt
    either with a "bare ass" to Europe, or in the circle of fraternal peoples.

    As such, it is not convenient to turn in either direction.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 28 October 2013 13: 52 New
      +4
      With "bare ass", we find ourselves immediately after the signing of the association with the EU. I, already once cited the conclusions of analysts and economists: - "Ukraine, when carrying out the" standardization with the EU "(about 20) provided for by the agreement, will practically lose not the market - the industry! This is my expression.
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 29 October 2013 18: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: VadimSt
        With "bare ass", we will find ourselves, immediately after the signing of the association with the EU


        Having fertile land with a bare burn, only lazy people will remain, or people will encourage such transactions as the sale of agricultural land (land) -

        "The Saudi company United Farmers Holdings (UFHC) acquired Continental Farmers Group plc (CFG) for £ 61,5 million, which owns 3 thousand hectares of land in Poland and 29 thousand hectares in Ukraine."

        "Recall that last year CFG, together with the British ED&F Man, one of the world's largest food producers, created a joint venture in Ukraine for the production of sugar beets. We add that this year the company increased its land bank in Ukraine by 49% - to 23,68 , 42 thousand hectares, and in general, taking into account the holdings in Poland, it increased over the year by 26,12% - up to XNUMX thousand hectares.

        The consortium was created to provide the population of Saudi Arabia with sufficient amounts of food. For a long time, Saudi Arabia has been actively acquiring cherished agricultural hectares in other countries "
  39. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 28 October 2013 14: 34 New
    +2
    Ukrainian Oil and Gas Academy R. Yaremchuk is confident that the available reserves in Ukraine significantly exceed the reserves of Russia.
    wassat
    Well, as they say, a flag in hand. wassat
    I never cease to be amazed by Svidomo, and they are the oldest Ukrainians, and they have more gas than oil in the world, and they are already producing shale gas, etc., etc. Only here they live, somehow ah. fool
  40. Horst78
    Horst78 28 October 2013 14: 39 New
    +1
    American corporation Total
    what country, I thought Total is a French company http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total
  41. MG42
    MG42 28 October 2013 14: 53 New
    +4
    Will gas come to Kiev ...

    As Winnie the Pooh said gas / <honey> is a tricky secret = gas if it is, then it is not immediately! bully
    We’ll definitely get European tariffs with Ukrainian salaries, which, by the way, were even delayed by state employees
  42. morpex
    morpex 28 October 2013 15: 15 New
    -5
    I read ... And an article and comments. Nothing new. Another tub of slops to Ukraine from the lips of the "elder brothers". From the series: "..obos .. and - streamline." What a bacchanalia of sarcasm and ridicule.
    I have some strange conclusion lately. It seems that Ukrainians consider Russians good neighbors, and Ukrainians Russians are the lower race and enemies of Russia!
    1. hrych
      hrych 28 October 2013 19: 02 New
      +1
      Take your history book and ours, and everything will fall into place.
  43. lav566
    lav566 28 October 2013 16: 17 New
    +3
    You write: "Ukrainians think Russians are good."
    I advise you to go to the Ukrainian site http://censor.net.ua/
    and see what shit Ukrainians are fooling Russians about.
    1. Technocrat
      Technocrat 28 October 2013 18: 30 New
      +1
      And you "Rosbalt" or "Inosmi" read -and you will see so many "dyubvi" to Ukraine and its people. So do not blame the mirror if the face is crooked.
      1. morpex
        morpex 28 October 2013 20: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Technocrat
        Take your history book and ours, and everything will fall into place.

        My grandchildren are still very little, but I taught my sons born in Ukraine after the collapse of the Union how to separate the grains from the chaff ... Smart people teach their children not from textbooks .. Ignorant, by the way, a smart child will not open a textbook She will always ask questions. And believe me, normal parents will always have time to tell the child the truth. Here tell me, graciously, where did this Bandera come from? After all, they, traps, were taught like Soviet textbooks, just like me, but we perceive history differently ..
        Quote: Technocrat
        You write: "Ukrainians think Russians are good."

        Where I live, yes. We consider ...

        Quote: Technocrat
        and see what shit Ukrainians are fooling Russians about.


        Quote: Technocrat
        And you "Rosbalt" or "Inosmi" read -and you will see so many "dyubvi" to Ukraine and its people. So do not blame the mirror if the face is crooked.

        Any pro-Russian site "loves" Ukrainians. Any pro-Ukrainian reciprocates the Russians. This state of affairs is no longer light, but very annoying. But I meant only this site. It is more interesting to me. Just earlier there was a more constructive dialogue. As you go along you lately, you only listen to yourself and do not take into account the opinion of the other side. Here, one inadequate wished to heat stoves in Ukraine with corpses and received a dozen pluses for his comment and sarcasm about this. This means that the majority of users share his moronic point of view. I just expressed my point of view and got a hat in the form of a dozen minuses This is how our dialogue proceeds. Do you think this is normal? "Are you Camo Coming?"
        1. lav566
          lav566 28 October 2013 21: 34 New
          +1
          In Ukraine, about half of the inhabitants hate Russians and Russia.
          This is due to the peculiarities of our history.
          In Russia, such a large group of Russians who would hate
          There are no Ukrainians. Attitude towards Ukrainians has always been
          good with a share of good humor.
          1. Technocrat
            Technocrat 28 October 2013 22: 16 New
            -2
            In Ukraine, about half of the inhabitants hate Russians and Russia.-Give you guess and they share on the Dnieper, Mr. Kiselev probably told you this.
            In Russia, such a large group of Russians who would hate
            There are no Ukrainians. Attitude towards Ukrainians has always been
            good with a share of good humor.
            - oh yes, I completely agree here the words "h..hol" "svidomit", "Ukrainian", "bandernya", and they dispose to a good mood and fun, but also funny tricks about thongs or harem pants with a hole in the back, you know funny and funny ... really funny humor ...
          2. roial
            roial 28 October 2013 23: 05 New
            0
            In Ukraine, about half of the inhabitants hate Russians and Russia.


            Dear, I will tell you a secret for us on the drum of the Russians until they touch us. Read the comments and you will see that Ukrainians begin to be rude in response to your inconsistent and sometimes boorish statements.
            Sincerely.
        2. Technocrat
          Technocrat 28 October 2013 21: 45 New
          +2
          What is happening here you call a dialogue !?
          For me personally, all the signs of "narcissism" are here - the whole world is g..vno (that is, x..ly, GEYroptsi, h..banye, etc., etc.), we are the only lights and the only hope of the Earth.
          PS I advise you to pay less attention to minuses - any jackal likes to yap sneakily.
      2. lav566
        lav566 28 October 2013 21: 23 New
        0
        Inosmi has nothing to do with the Russian media.
        Articles from Western media are reprinted there.
        And Rosbalt is an orange, pro-Western site. It is by definition
        He doesn’t write about Ukrainians and their pro-Western vector badly.
        1. Technocrat
          Technocrat 28 October 2013 21: 49 New
          +2
          Well, yes, well, yes, and "First" is a project of the State Department, "NTV" is a project of the Mossad, "Russia Today" is the province of Honduras intelligence
  44. 222222
    222222 28 October 2013 16: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: major071
    The Ukrainian analogue of the Russian "Gazprom" is "Gazprom". wassat

    ..gazprom briskly ..
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 28 October 2013 17: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: 222222
      ..gazprom briskly ..


      Zadornov long ago gave the name to this organization "UkrGas". They steal from everyone.
  45. andruha70
    andruha70 28 October 2013 17: 46 New
    +3
    after reading this
    Undoubtedly, if Ukraine can start producing its own gas, then, according to a number of experts, in a few years it will be able to become a leader among blue fuel producers in Europe.
    and it
    Author Valery Boval, Dneprodzerzhinsk, Ukraine
    rolled in an article minus ... tongue the guy, after the orange fogs from the chemical plant, in such a "glorious" city (Dniprodzerzhynsk people, they won't let them lie), "attic" has moved out ... request
  46. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 28 October 2013 18: 12 New
    +5
    With our stupid policy, we are losing or have already lost part of Rus-Ukraine ... the sincere opinion of "one" politician ...
    1. Stamp
      Stamp 29 October 2013 12: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Lone gunman
      lost part of Rus-Ukraine ... the sincere opinion of "one" politician ...

      Thanks for the video, or rather interesting audio! Only Kravchuk is the politician who, together with Yeltsin and Shushkevich, signed an agreement on the creation of the CIS, thus completing the collapse of the USSR, begun by Gorbachev.

      Kravchuk is a rotten politician to the marrow of his bones, his era of rule was remembered for hyperinflation, and the cars that were driven by pensioners were nicknamed "Kravchuchki" in Ukraine, thus perpetuating IT. So he has no other way, that's understandable.
      By the way, the video has just been promptly deleted from YouTube and the user that flooded it, because the second person involved is allegedly the son of the president of the VFJ.
  47. hrych
    hrych 28 October 2013 19: 10 New
    +6
    Now the news has appeared that barbed wire is being pulled on the Ukrainian-Russian border, so this fucking TS, when they are fencing themselves off from the brothers, and Putin does not intend to limit the Central Asian tear because of the ideals of Eurasianism. All achievements in economics, politics, etc. it doesn't matter when this happens. And now the Eurasians are becoming just an enemy of the Russian people, because Ukrainians are Russians, as are Great Russians. And some who are no better than Russophobe Yushchenko.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 October 2013 19: 43 New
      +2
      Are Russians or Ukrainians pulling the wire?
      1. hrych
        hrych 28 October 2013 20: 10 New
        +3
        Russians.
        1. svp67
          svp67 28 October 2013 20: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Walker1975
          Are Russians or Ukrainians pulling the wire?

          Quote: hrych
          Russians.

          2012 Belgorod region Krasnoyaruzhsky district - "thorn" from the side of Ukraine ...


          http://xn--80af2bm2d.xn--p1ai/index.php/news/716-reyd-po-krasnoyaruzhskomu-rayon
          u-iyun-2012-fotoocherk
          1. roial
            roial 28 October 2013 23: 07 New
            +1
            Would you still give statistics on smuggling in this area b ???
    2. Fastblast
      Fastblast 28 October 2013 20: 53 New
      0
      Let them pull ...
      You look and the mob will be less in the east.
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          1. hrych
            hrych 28 October 2013 21: 42 New
            +4
            TS - this does not mean that new ones will climb, the problem is that the GDP does not want to close the border with the old ones for the sake of this idea, i.e. Central Asians. It is another matter for the EU, there they will take away from Ukraine, what it so cherished and in every possible way dissociated itself from the "maskals", that is, its independence and forced to pass the appropriate laws. You can leave the vehicle in no time. From the EU, only through your corpse and do not talk about European tolerance, it is only for gays and people of color, and the Serbs will tell you otherwise. Turkey is also an associate member of the EU and they will appear with you more likely, like gentlemen. Another problem is that Russia has almost the largest number of Gaster, you will be surprised, not from sunny Uzbekistan, but from Ukraine. No matter how our cow lows, yours is always the first to die.
      2. wk-083
        wk-083 29 October 2013 04: 21 New
        +1
        Of course, let them pull, shit will be brought to Russia less!
  48. Migari
    Migari 28 October 2013 20: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: anatoliy.colonel
    Ukraine will help, and who will help us.

    Yes, of course, the EU countries will especially help Ukraine: Greece, Bulgaria, Portugal, the Balts who wander around Europe in search of work, but we no longer need their help, forgot our pro-Western reformers who reformed us to the tune of the West, Gaidar, Chubais, Burbulis. This is the Yavlinsky 500 Day Program.
  49. fat frumos
    fat frumos 28 October 2013 21: 48 New
    +3
    I read komenty and I can’t believe that it is written by people who come to Ukraine every year to rest, people who have relatives, friends, or just acquaintances in Ukraine. When you cross paths with Russians on holiday abroad, they are nice people (in total), but as soon as they come home they immediately start pouring dirt. It so happened historically that we are neighbors, and we don’t choose neighbors like parents.
    Well, on the topic; did you know that 65% of the maintenance personnel at the drilling sites are Ukrainians in one status or another. My neighbor came from Nizhnevartovsk, he is not in a hurry to return and no one reproaches him that he is a "thief", but on the other hand, they help to socialize in society. His son, a citizen of Russia, speaks better Ukrainian than my daughter. Question to members of the forum, why is there so much dirt on the forum in relation to neighbors?
    1. alone
      alone 28 October 2013 22: 20 New
      -2
      Quote: fat frumos
      Question to forum users, why is there so much dirt on the forum in relation to neighbors?


      You are a naive person, dearest !! how can they prove their patriotism and loyalty to their state? Here they pour dirt and earn pluses!
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 28 October 2013 23: 17 New
      +2
      Question to forum users, why is there so much dirt on the forum in relation to neighbors?

      Come on! Although, if you love your power ...
      By the way, I put + for the article, I like to read about previously unrealized projects. Apparently, such love has been instilled since the turn of the Siberian rivers.
    3. nikcris
      nikcris 28 October 2013 23: 24 New
      +3
      And what of the fact that 65% of the personnel are from Ukraine? Just the fact that the ZP collapsed. I have a neighbor shift worker in Surgut. Welder. Comes every time and spits - the real RFP in the last 5 years only falls. In addition to leading engineers. But there Gaster is not very willing to take.
      No one here pours dirt on you - the people make fun of the pearls of your science fiction writers, and not the people. Go to the Russian site - where the Russians are biting each other - we can calm down)))
      Gas relations are a special topic. Ukraine’s actions here are a trick after a trick. Gas is not oil; you cannot pour it into a barrel. And not firewood - I want to buy a car, I want half. Excess gas can only be burned at the well, because if the valve cannot be turned on, then the return will drop ... Therefore, when Ukraine refuses the reserved gas, it is blackmail of pure water. Gazprom will survive, of course, a decline in supplies, but increasing them will be much more difficult if necessary.
    4. vadson
      vadson 28 October 2013 23: 26 New
      +4
      I’ll try to answer, for the most part, Russians themselves are wonderful towards Ukrainians themselves, with the exception of Western regions of Ukraine. This is due to the march of the Nazis and the beating of veterans. don't deny it is. that is, the attitude to the people is good, but to the leadership ?! we Russians were not sickly in the 90s, we could hardly fall apart into even smaller formations. Putin stopped it, it is a fact. In the early 2000s he came as a pawn, a manager, now a leader with world authority. I don’t know why and who holds him for Faberge, but he still hasn’t put things in order inside the country. those. I want to say that order is still very far away, he will struggle with the dominance of liberals in the future, but something or someone is bothering him. Now about Ukraine, you have even more wild capitalism than ours. you have it just mad! but you have to fight with him i.e. no one is going to clean up, this is a fact. leadership is held by the latter. just not just another maidan. here are your bureaucrats and milk the people while in power. these will be thrown off by others, maybe even worse. as said, Ukraine will receive 15 billions of ye. Do you think in whose pockets this money will be? question for connoisseurs what where when?
      if Ukraine enters the EU, the government will receive money and wash off, the people will have to answer with their pockets and land.
      if the vehicle, orders go to the factories of Ukraine for Russia, look at USC, overwhelmed with orders until this year, your plants are idle. Ukraine also has good practices on the radio electronic industry. you would work with all the consequences. living example belarus - a lot of things go to our army
      and about the dirt, well, this is mainly for the leadership and not for the people ... just many Ukrainians understand that in the EU there will be an end to industry, they are on this site BUT your leadership will never ask them. but there are people who don’t understand this, I don’t know for what reasons. maybe just because of age, or near-minded people, or Russia they hate. I want independence, so who selects?
      but yes, I forgot to say it again, it seems to me, my personal opinion is that if Ukraine joins the CU, then many oligarchs will not be too good for yours, ours will be devoured, at least in the defense industry. because if you invest grandmas in production, then you must be sure of this production, otherwise it will turn out like with brats for Iraq ...
    5. Botanologist
      Botanologist 28 October 2013 23: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: fat frumos
      why is there so much dirt on the forum towards neighbors?


      The bulk of serious comments boils down to the fact that the leadership of Ukraine exchanged personal wealth for the country. And in order to maintain its decisions, it is tapping into the people stories about shale, gas hydrates, bad Gazprom and more. I have half of my relatives in Ukraine myself, and I have never said anything bad about people. But when we are discussing the official nonsense of the authorities, please, no offense.
  50. fat frumos
    fat frumos 29 October 2013 00: 40 New
    +3
    Probably I won’t tell you a big secret, but in Ukraine there is no defense industry and will not be soon! The country switched to agrarian rails. The defense industry service plants are looted and resold for spare parts. Bend your fingers: zd Bolshevik (precision weapons) died, zd them. Petrovsky (measuring instruments for nuclear submarines, tank building, body parts for cruise missiles, etc.) is spanning meters for offices, the Radar station (all-around radio electronics) breathes incense, the Arsenal station (optics, guidance systems, etc. ) one workshop for the military commissar. Zavod Vulkan (submarine) is closed, and Pribortochmash (the name speaks for itself) self-financing, office rental, etc. And this is only in Kiev factories - the flagships of the defense industry of the USSR, and there are also Zhytomyr, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, etc.