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Bandit Osmanov and his fight for Islam and Circassia

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Terror in the North Caucasus began in 1979, when a group of militants horrified Kabardino-Balkaria


Bandit Osmanov and his fight for Islam and Circassia

The peak of mass unrest in the Soviet Union fell on the second half of the 1950-x - the first half of the 1960-x. When Brezhnev came to power, the workers' unrest (namely, the workers were the backbone of the protesters) began to decline. In the 1969 — 1976, the KGB of the USSR did not register at all a single case of mass riots. The main role was played not so much by force as by the material improvement in the life of the Soviet people. Terror against the government and the anti-Soviet struggle remained the lot of a handful of intellectuals who put forward political claims to the leadership of the USSR.

In the Brezhnev era, even the Caucasus was reassured, in which, as it seemed, a peaceful life was never possible. The last mass unrest there was recorded in 1964, when the Chechens who had been deported under Stalin returned home from Central Asia staged the Laks (the people of Dagestan) pogrom in one of the villages. In 1976, the last abrek was killed in the North Caucasus - a Khasukh Magomadov Chechen, who began the fight against Soviet power during the Nazi occupation.

How Moscow bought the loyalty of the Caucasus

Although it was not advertised, the Kremlin at the time made concessions to the Caucasian elites. Law enforcement agencies preferred to turn a blind eye to the then private business (the so-called tsekhovikov). The loyalty of elites was simply bought: the Soviet authorities pumped huge amounts of money into the Caucasus. For example, at the beginning of 1980-s Georgia was 60% subsidized from the federal budget. 15 was pumped per capita in Georgian social services times more than in the RSFSR. As a result, the standard of living in the republic was three times higher than the union level. The share of the working class in Georgia was the smallest of all the subjects of the Union - total 2%. But in 1982, out of 10, thousands of Georgians were 862 members of the CPSU. According to this indicator, they were significantly ahead of Russians (774) and Belarusians (702), leaving far behind Turkmen and Tajiks (320 and 286, respectively).

The central government secretly folded and the Russification of this region. In most of the republics of the Caucasus (including those that were part of the RSFSR) there was a gradual "peaceful" exclusion of non-titular nations from the borders of these republics. In Georgia in one decade (1979 — 1989), the number of Russians decreased by 10%, in Azerbaijan - by 11%, in Chechen-Ingushetia and Dagestan, Russians decreased by 13% during this time, and in North Ossetia their number decreased by 5% .

Nationalism was a trump card in the hands of the Caucasian elites. Deftly manipulating this problem, they kept Moscow on a hook, thereby knocking out various preferences from it. However, there were questions that Moscow was not ready to sacrifice. Among them - the "Circassian problem."

What turned the "Circassian problem"

In the XIX century, hundreds of thousands of Circassians (according to various estimates, from 100 to 400 thousand people) after the conquest of the North Caucasus, Russia emigrated - mainly to the Middle East. At the end of the 1970th century, this phenomenon was hard experienced by the North Caucasian peoples (Kabardins, Circassians, Circassians). Since the early XNUMXs, the Circassian intelligentsia has been increasingly insistently asking Moscow when its tribesmen will be allowed to return to historical homeland. Moreover, a precedent already existed at that time: from the late 1950s, the process of repatriation was ongoing in Armenia, up to 1970 thousand Armenians returned from emigration to this republic by the end of the 60s.

Moscow was slow, trying to lower the "Circassian question" on the brakes. The Kremlin rightly feared that repatriates would bring Islamism to the North Caucasus from Jordan, Syria and Lebanon (the countries where Circassians mostly settled). However, without repatriate Circassians, the spread of militant Islam in Kabardino-Balkaria and Karachay-Cherkessia from the beginning of the 1970-x went at a rapid pace.

This "boil" inevitably had to explode. And it exploded in 1979, when Osmanov’s gang showed Moscow what the silenced and impeding problems turn for the North Caucasus.

The robbed were shared with the mullahs and nationalists.

This gang (or OPG, as they say now) appeared in the autumn of 1975. Its backbone consisted of Gegirov (leader), Bitsuev, Gedogushev, Shogenov, Kyarov. The group hunted classic banditry, and outwardly it was no different from similar bands in any part of the USSR. Except for one thing: from 20 to 30, the output of the OCG was directed to the financing of local Islamist societies and “Circassian circles” (in the KGB documents which appeared as “nationalist underground”). All members of the gang were devout people and built their lives according to the letter of the Koran.

From the autumn of 1975 to April 1976, the gang committed about a dozen high-profile crimes in the Stavropol Territory, North Ossetia and Kabardino-Balkaria. She staged a raid on the Leskenskoe consumer society, having received about three thousand rubles as production (the guard was killed at that), at the Vesna cafe in Nalchik and a department store in the North Ossetian town of Digore.

Part of the proceeds (about 9000 rubles) group members have transferred underground Muslim clergy for the printing of the Koran and other religious books.

The first stage of their “struggle” ended an unexpected incident. Gangsters raided the tsehovik's house in Kyzburun village. The shadow businessman and his brothers put up armed resistance. During the attack, the shopkeeper's wife was injured, and he and his clan vowed to punish the raiders according to the law of blood feud.

At that time, the forces of a small gang were still small, and the workshop, on the contrary, had great influence. The leader Gegirov decided to bury the composition of the organized criminal group ... in prison. The thugs deliberately committed several thefts (they stole horses and motorcycles) and voluntarily surrendered to the police. They received a short time - from a year to three.


Aslan Gegirov. Photo: MIA archive


In the summer of 1979, after serving his time, the bandits reunited again. A recidivist and a dissident Habala Osmanov joined the group. In such a combination of his views was not unusual for the North Caucasus: he robbed and stole, justifying their actions struggle against Soviet power. Another justifying argument for him was piety.

Osmanov quickly gained authority in the gang, and Gegirov himself suggested that he replace himself as commander of the organized criminal group. Osmanov first thing offered to get the present weapon - instead of a revolver and a shotgun of hunting rifles that were in the arsenal of the organized criminal group. Another of his decisions was to give the gang a political and religious tint in order to win the respect of the local population. In particular, it decided to give the Islamists 25% of production, and even 25% - Circassian nationalist underground.

Ottomans developed a plan of attack on the armory of the detention center in Nalchik. The writer Fyodor Razzakov in his book "Bandits 1970-x" describes the course of the operation:

“An old friend of Gegirov worked in the post of senior controller at the Nalchik SIZO. This friend also volunteered to make for his friend copies of the keys to the front door of the arsenal. In the meantime, the gangsters decided to warm up a little. Near Nalchik at night, they attacked a car and killed its owners, a husband and wife from Armenia. The same thing happened a few days later with the owners of the Zhiguli stopped on the same road. However, when the rumor of the night on the road has become a killing vengeance to walk among the people and the police to increase their vigilance, the Ottomans decided to change the "profile". Now began raids on collective farm funds. "

During this period of their activity, gangsters robbed about 70 thousand rubles, as agreed by Osmanov, and gave half to underground mullahs and local nationalists.

Killed in the name of independent Circassia

Finally, the keys to the weapons room of the Nalchik SIZO were ready. But Osmanov suspected that the jailer who had manufactured them, a friend of Gegirov, could “pawn” the gang to the policemen. Therefore, he sent only two people to the case - Gegirov and Gubachikov himself. Both of them, with the help of the senior inspector of the SIZO Gazhev, penetrated into the territory of the detention facility, tied up the sentry, and then the alarm went up - Gazhev actually surrendered to the police bandits. Gegirov and Gubachikov managed to escape by capturing a watchmaker.

Osmanov realized that a frontal raid on the police was too dangerous. And he decided to just buy a weapon. A month later, two Makarov pistols, two Kalashnikov assault rifles and a Soudaev submachine gun appeared in the gang. It was decided to test this entire arsenal on the Rostov-Baku night road. One night, noticing the Zhiguli on the side of the road, the gangsters shot a young man, an old man and an old woman who were in them.

The Ottomans again decided to take a break, during which the gang was mainly engaged in looting. The popularity of organized crime groups grew, new members joined it. At the peak of the gang's numbers, it was a 36 man. The criminals regularly expelled the “anti-Soviet tax” to the mullahs and nationalists in the form of half the booty. The bandits also developed political activities: leaflets appeared in Nalchik and other cities of Kabardino-Balkaria calling for the population to raise an uprising against the Soviets. “Independent Circassia is our demand!” - stated in one of the leaflets.


Habala Osmanov. Photo: MIA archive


After some time, Osmanov decided to go "on the present case" and to raid the restaurant Sofia, located on the territory of North Ossetia, between the village of Elkhotovo and the Zmeyskaya railway station.

Razzakov describes this operation as follows:

“Three armed thugs attacked the restaurant in broad daylight when they celebrated someone's birthday there. After killing the doorman, the gangsters burst into the banquet hall and, throwing up their rifles, began to cool them in cold water with lead on innocent people. The wounded were finished off with single shots to the head. Hurrying to clear the cashier, they failed to destroy everyone: two seriously wounded survived. ”

"And I will not leave the dead alone the communists and the Russians"

It was the last crime of the gang of Osmanov. On her mark came out by chance. Osmanov's wife passed him to the police (the motives for her act remained unknown, but she kept herself free by denunciation). Three policemen came to the house of the leader of the gang, he met them with heavy fire from a machine gun. Ottomans could hide. In search of him raised the entire local police and soldiers of the nearest military unit. And again a woman appears in the case: Habala was hiding in the house of a devout woman, a “spiritual sister,” as he called her, and she also turned him in to the law enforcement officers (no longer the police, but the KGB, who took over the operation to capture the gang). To the place where the thug was hiding, armored personnel carriers arrived. Habala Osmanov surrendered without resistance. Over the next few days, the rest of the gang members were also arrested.


Restaurant "Sofia"


The investigation into the case of Osmanov's gang lasted just over a year. When it was completed, the authorities faced a serious problem: not a single Russian city wanted to hold court sessions because of fear of the defendants' colleagues. Only 17 people were involved in the case, and the KGB assumed that at least one to two dozen gangsters were still at large. In addition, the authorities feared that the Circassians might arrange mass actions in front of the court building.

In the end, the choice fell on the city of Vladimir. Here they found a building whose walls could withstand any assault. During court hearings, it was surrounded by armored personnel carriers and 100 — 150 soldiers of internal troops. Even before 300, soldiers, policemen and KGB officers were on duty within a radius of several kilometers from the building where the trial took place.

In 1981, the court sentenced Habalu Osmanov, Aslan Gegirov, Ruslan Gubachikov and Safrail Kyarov to an exceptional measure of punishment - the death penalty. The rest of the gangsters received from 10 to 15 years of imprisonment. At court hearings, the Ottomans shouted that they would not leave the communists and Russians alone as well.

The Soviet media did not report the shooting in North Ossetia and the trial of bandits. The scant information about the case was transmitted only by Turkish newspapers and radio. But the whole Caucasus knew about this crime. People were scared away by the terrible fame of the Sophia restaurant, so that it was closed and then completely demolished. Soon, 3 July 1981, in 15 hours 15 minutes, collapsed and the famous Tarartup minaret, located in front of the restaurant. Locals still believe that Habula the Ottomans and in the next world does not want to leave them alone.

Concessions to the Caucasus did not save the position of the authorities

The Soviet authorities learned a lesson from this story. Since the beginning of the 1980, some Circassians who were not members of Islamic groups were allowed to return from abroad to their historical homeland. Official delegations from Syria and Jordan began to arrive in Nalchik and Maykop; they were received at a high level by regional officials. Kabardino-Balkaria was the only of the three Circassian subjects in the USSR, in the universities of which students from Syria and Jordan were educated. For example, in 1986 over two hundred students from these two countries studied at two universities in Nalchik.

However, these relaxation and flirting of the Soviet government not only with the Circassians, but also with the Caucasus in general, could not stop the process of chaos and the war of all against everyone historically inherent in this region.

The collapse of the USSR began with interethnic conflicts in the Caucasus (and not at all from rallies in Moscow, as many metropolitan residents believe). The slaughter in Tbilisi between the Soviet army and the Georgian crowd in 1989, the massacre of Armenians throughout Azerbaijan, Chechen separatism - all this showed the weakness of the central government with which the national elites (not only the Caucasus, but also the Baltic states, Ukraine, etc.) could be more not be considered.

The leader of the Chechen separatists, Dzhokhar Dudayev, called Kabardino-Balkaria "a sleeping beauty", not hiding hopes of "waking up" her. Dudayev was convinced that it was the Circassians who were the main hope of all North Caucasian peoples, since behind them was already ready “historical justice” and it was easy for them to justify the local national democracy.

In October, 2005, the Islamic militants managed to do what did not work out for the bandits of Khabuly Osmanov - to actually capture Nalchik. Then the security forces managed to recapture the city, killing about a hundred militants. But neither the Circassian nor the Islamist question in the North Caucasus, this victory is still not decided.
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  1. zeksus
    zeksus 26 October 2013 08: 52
    27
    All the same: we pour money into the Caucasus, organized crime groups shoes, wears, feed and arm for us !!! TIME TO STOP THIS !!!!!!!
    1. Skiff
      Skiff 26 October 2013 09: 28
      13
      Yes, it is beneficial for the authorities to have a horror story in the face of militants and other non-honor, plus the Kremlin launders money well in the Caucasus, a simple example, when allocating a budget to the republic, a part of the money is immediately transferred back to the Ministry of Finance using gray schemes, if you don’t give it away, there will be no budget.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 26 October 2013 10: 15
        38
        "All the members of the gang were devout people and built their lives according to the letter of the Koran."

        strange people. I can not imagine pious Orthodox monks involved in robbery and murder.

        "when Osmanov's gang showed Moscow how the hushed up problems turned out to be for the North Caucasus."

        this is true. Then Dudaev showed. Now they show all the time. Yes, something in the Kremlin authorities are closing their eyes, they do not want to see.
        that's how much I hear about the Caucasus - I realized one thing - all Caucasians are different, but mostly peaceful people. and only when power loses credibility, only then does the number of scumbags increase.
        But Chechens are an eternal abscess on the body of the Caucasus, and now on the body of all of Russia. this abscess must be treated according to Stalin.
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius 26 October 2013 10: 34
          11
          If power weakens the reins, then the number of scumbags among the population generally increases.
          And nationality has nothing to do with it.
        2. Alex V.
          Alex V. 28 October 2013 22: 24
          0
          Quote: Starfish
          Starfish October 26, 2013 10:15 ↑
          "All the members of the gang were devout people and built their lives according to the letter of the Koran."
          strange people. I can not imagine pious Orthodox monks involved in robbery and murder.

          Why do you represent monks? You just imagine the Cossacks and that’s it. This is an absolute copy of the Cossacks - devout, dull, confident in their highest mission and God's destiny.
      2. smile
        smile 26 October 2013 17: 53
        +1
        Skiff
        So. Please provide facts confirming the involvement of the authorities in the existence of the militants. Confirm your schizophrenic rant that when making a decision on financing the budget of the republic, let’s say the Chechen people who make decisions listen to Ramzan’s warm assurances and his mother’s oaths that he will personally give half or his written obligations to pay back the money.
        Give evidence of what, how, when and how much is translated according to multi-colored schemes. And how do you know about this. if the only reliable source can only be statements from those very bad authorities. themselves revealing scams?

        If you don’t bring it, you will remain a vile liar, who cleverly reproduces the gossip gleaned on the next bench ....

        Of course, both kickback and corruption and misuse of finances are too widespread among us ... but to say that the authorities are profitable blah blah blah, you have to completely lose your mind and take too long to listen to people like the old homosexual Edichka Limonov mentioned at VO today.
    2. Rustam009
      Rustam009 26 October 2013 10: 01
      -6
      I didn’t know that Ukraine feeds the Caucasus, or was the Zexus Cossack mishandled?
      1. vostok1982
        vostok1982 26 October 2013 12: 00
        43
        I’ll tell you a secret - a lot of millions of Ukrainian citizens do not separate themselves from Russia. In addition, about ten million citizens of Ukraine are ethnic Russians. In addition, almost all of us are against the independence of Ukraine and wholeheartedly more for the Motherland - for Russia.
        1. wei
          wei 27 October 2013 15: 09
          +3
          there are more than one million Ukrainians in the national composition of Russia (paying taxes to the treasury)

          I think they would be very pleased to accept the purchase of bacon for this money (AN planes) from relatives in spirit (possibly even relatives) of people, and they, in turn, have gas (MIGs) from us. drinks
        2. Baemaley99
          Baemaley99 28 October 2013 00: 49
          0
          Yes ! That's for sure . A Janek P; idor. Came to power under the slogan "WITH RUSSIA FOR Vsegda" !!! And the EU itself licks the anus.
          1. Garmash
            Garmash 31 October 2013 02: 34
            -1
            Sit down and lie down anus Putin ...
      2. smile
        smile 26 October 2013 17: 57
        0
        Rustam09
        Judging by that. that he proclaims the slogan. especially common among swamp and homosexuals with fascists. like Edichka, it’s definitely mishandled :))) Either he has also heard a lot of swamp propaganda, he doesn’t know what he’s doing, although there’s no difference here — this slogan is really, in order to dismember Russia, especially exaggerated by the archers. You ++++
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 26 October 2013 09: 05
    +5
    The Caucasian republics are an eternal problem.
    1. Field
      Field 26 October 2013 09: 33
      +5
      The problem can be solved - radically ...

      Abreche and radicalism are not exterminated in those parts and quietly supported by the population (or simply do not interfere and do not report)
    2. Rustam009
      Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 24
      +8
      Caucasus republics, this is an eternal problem
      Igor, the Caucasus is a problem due to the fact that they themselves created this problem thanks to the Kremlin’s mediocre and corrupt policies, and not because the people are not the same. For that fought for it and ran.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 October 2013 11: 29
        +6
        And then, of course, the Kremlin is to blame.

        "Yes, he stole a chicken. But I am not guilty, the Kremlin is guilty. It is he who does not distribute vodka for free, and therefore I have to steal."
        1. Rustam009
          Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 54
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          And then, of course, the Kremlin is to blame.

          "Yes, he stole a chicken. But I am not guilty, the Kremlin is guilty. It is he who does not distribute vodka for free, and therefore I have to steal."
          Yes, the problem is only in the chicken, therefore, such an attitude must be completely exterminated and the problem is solved, good king, this people is not like that.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2013 12: 43
            +5
            The problem is the infantilism of the inhabitants of the UK. A good uncle should come and do everything.
      2. Starfish
        Starfish 26 October 2013 11: 43
        +8
        Igor, the Caucasus is a problem due to the fact that they themselves created this problem thanks to the Kremlin’s mediocre and corrupt policies, and not because the people are not the same. For that fought for it and ran.

        all right. there was no need to indulge in any Ottoman-Dudaev. Khrushchev, a horseradish volunteer began to realize his projects. from there the root of modern problems grows.
        but about Chechnya - the people are inclined to illegal activities initially. he’s been gangster all his history, he doesn’t allow to live neither neighbors in the Caucasus, nor Russians.
        1. smile
          smile 26 October 2013 18: 07
          +2
          Starfish
          That is, do you think that the new wave of separatism in the North Caucasus, which the authorities of Russia have to tackle now, arose thanks to the actions of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Supreme Council of the USSR, just like separatism in other republics of the Union? If so, you are right not to action, but inaction, connivance in relation to propaganda from outside.
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 39
          +1
          Quote: Starfish
          Igor, the Caucasus is a problem due to the fact that they themselves created this problem thanks to the Kremlin’s mediocre and corrupt policies, and not because the people are not the same. For that fought for it and ran.

          all right. there was no need to indulge in any Ottoman-Dudaev. Khrushchev, a horseradish volunteer began to realize his projects. from there the root of modern problems grows.
          but about Chechnya - the people are inclined to illegal activities initially. he’s been gangster all his history, he doesn’t allow to live neither neighbors in the Caucasus, nor Russians.


          The same problems were there under Stalin, and under Lenin, and during the time of RI.
          Well, we are different - how can we not recall Gumilyov with his notion of complimentary and non-complimentary peoples.
          History seems to have shown IMHO that the Russians (in their Permian understanding, not national) are not complimentary with the peoples of the Middle East (again in the historical sense, including Transcaucasia, the Caucasus)
      3. Igor39
        Igor39 26 October 2013 12: 58
        +7
        All republics live on subsidies from the Kremlin, which go away in an unknown direction. That is, local officials instead of developing the real sector of the economy simply steal money. The Caucasus is a favorable place from a geographical point of view, but in order for it to live independently without subsidies, to develop tourism, agriculture, etc., who should the Kremlin do? or locals? But the Caucasus is not a peaceful place and tourists need to think carefully before going there, who is to blame? And if you take Montenegro, for example, the republic is not rich and lives on tourism and agriculture, because they themselves create favorable conditions and understand what they themselves need help and WORK ABOUT THIS.
      4. smile
        smile 26 October 2013 18: 01
        +2
        Rustam09
        And here I fundamentally disagree with you, that here we are to blame ... maybe it’s worth looking at yourself sometimes with a critical eye? With statements that the Kremlin is to blame for everything and the justification of their own atrocities begins.
      5. cdrt
        cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 36
        -2
        Quote: Rustam09
        Caucasus republics, this is an eternal problem
        Igor, the Caucasus is a problem due to the fact that they themselves created this problem thanks to the Kremlin’s mediocre and corrupt policies, and not because the people are not the same. For that fought for it and ran.


        Created? And when?
        Was there a time when this problem was not there (well, at least 20 years in a row)?
        I think the problem was created by conquering them ...
        In principle, the Republic of Ingushetia did not seem to be able to retain any national territories conquered after the 1790s ...
    3. Evrepid
      Evrepid 27 October 2013 21: 40
      0
      Let's see why Power makes the M4 toll road, but M6, M10 and others not?

      Or does the Caucasus interfere? Strange it turns out:
      The Caucasus makes it necessary to make a toll road, along which goods go to the Caucasus and from the Caucasus.
      Isn’t it stupid? the Caucasus is definitely not profitable.
      It is beneficial to someone else.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 October 2013 09: 11
    17
    Quote: zeksus
    All the same: we pour money into the Caucasus, organized crime groups shoes, wears, feed and arm for us !!! TIME TO STOP THIS !!!!!!!

    I remember the troops were withdrawn ... so what? This region respects only FORCE and liberal cries like "Stop feeding the Caucasus" will not solve the problem .. Read the story, dear (Ermolova especially ..)
    1. Field
      Field 26 October 2013 09: 32
      +7
      I agree. Chewing snot, allowing us to kill our boys and put them on trial, and now rake.
      Only at home.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 October 2013 09: 33
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Read dear history (Ermolova especially ..)

      Ermolov, Ermolov, and again Ermolov. How many do not feed the wolf, but still looks into the forest. With the abolition of deportation, a mistake came out.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 October 2013 11: 43
        +3
        What deportation in our times ..? Do not rubbish other times .. Other times other times .. EVERYTHING IS PURCHASED .. That's just such garbage we buy them together and they selectively .. (for our money) That's when it stops (and to this goes ..) Then the Caucasus will go to the mountains again. (sheep and goats graze .. even daggers decorated with shingles .. and a bentley standing between the rams as a reminder ..) Soon our wave will go! Gaster will work for us (but at home). My mood today is not very .. I write what I think!
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 27 October 2013 08: 51
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: MIKHAN
        .Read dear history (Ermolova especially ..)

        Ermolov, Ermolov, and again Ermolov. How many do not feed the wolf, but still looks into the forest. With the abolition of deportation, a mistake came out.


        How many wolves do not feed, but the elephant still has more belly laughing
    3. catapractic
      catapractic 26 October 2013 09: 57
      +5
      power and money, a carrot and a stick, and best of all, a big carrot and a stick
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 39
        -6
        power and money, a carrot and a stick, and best of all, a big carrot and a stick
        Whoever is missing offers something.
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 26 October 2013 11: 43
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      yelling like "Stop feeding the Caucasus" will not solve the problem

      You need to find a way to FORCE the Caucasus, feed yourself, raise your standard of living. And then the thoughts "bad" to the mountaineers will not occur ...
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 45
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: MIKHAN
        yelling like "Stop feeding the Caucasus" will not solve the problem

        You need to find a way to FORCE the Caucasus, feed yourself, raise your standard of living. And then the thoughts "bad" to the mountaineers will not occur ...


        I will allow myself to quote the respected hardingush - historically, the Ingush have no tradition of creative work.
        The peoples are very ancient, for thousands of years they have not begun to work.
        "White man's burden" - to teach them to work?
        In my opinion, colonialism is ordinary, and the problems are the same as those of the former European empires - the influx of inhabitants of the colonies into the mother country.
        Although giving back the conquered is also a mess repeat
  4. air wolf
    air wolf 26 October 2013 09: 19
    +4
    Let's calmly hold the Olympics and take on the Caucasus
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 26 October 2013 10: 24
      +6
      "Let's calmly hold the Olympiad and tackle the Caucasus"

      again this sacred date "after the Olympics". Why did it have to be carried out in the Caucasus? didn't know about terrorism? it will not fail. and before the official choice of Sochi as the capital of the IOC Olympic Games, that it was impossible to "tackle the Caucasus"?

      "However, these indulgences and flirting of the Soviet government not only with the Circassians, but in general with the Caucasus could no longer stop the process of chaos and war of all against all historically inherent in this region."

      30 years have passed, and the methods are the same. then the result is sad, and now nothing special to boast about.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 October 2013 11: 52
        +4
        Well, why nothing to boast ?? Our Caucasus .. And the Olympics should be next to the Caucasus! this is a test! And then we'll see .. bully
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 26 October 2013 11: 55
          +1
          "this is a test"

          checking what? or whom? can be more detailed here, otherwise maybe you know something that I don’t know?
  5. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 26 October 2013 09: 23
    +5
    It was necessary to engage in the expansion of Orthodox culture and education.
    1. Orik
      Orik 26 October 2013 11: 15
      +7
      There is no need for any expansion; it is necessary to return the Orthodox culture to the RUSSIAN PEOPLE. Russian unity = STRONG state. Strong state, calm in the country.
  6. Iraclius
    Iraclius 26 October 2013 09: 30
    +4
    It was necessary to press on the vine. Surprising is the negligent attitude of the authorities towards the bandits - they killed innocent people almost in broad daylight - and nothing! Only after the massacre in Sofia began an active search.
    And again went coaxing. No matter how the situation repeats itself again ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 47
      +1
      Quote: Iraclius
      It was necessary to press on the vine. Surprising is the negligent attitude of the authorities towards the bandits - they killed innocent people almost in broad daylight - and nothing! Only after the massacre in Sofia began an active search.
      And again went coaxing. No matter how the situation repeats itself again ...


      So in the Caucasus, the authorities by that time were already nationalists - it was no accident that the KGB was doing this not local, in the union
  7. yurii p
    yurii p 26 October 2013 09: 53
    +4
    "there was a gradual" peaceful "displacement of non-titular nations from the borders of these republics." ..... the author is either cunning or openly lying, all this peaceful displacement was organized by Moscow, the program of resettlement of the mountaineers to the plain, there were not enough workers, they (the mountaineers) did not want, the centuries-old way of life collapsed, where by promises, where by force, where by the distribution of land for livestock collective farms, taking away these lands to belonging to the plain farms, and a confusing situation turned out, a village located on the territory of the district is administratively subordinate to another district located in the mountains (nonsense) the power has achieved his own, and it has remained to this day.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 26 October 2013 11: 11
      +6
      Quote: yurii p
      .the author is either cunning or frankly lying, all this peaceful repression was organized by Moscow,


      If we talk briefly about the origins and reasons for the emergence of the "Caucasian revolutions" in the Brezhnev era, we can, like the classics of Marxism, single out Leninism three sources and three components of separatism
      1. national communist bureaucracy
      2. nationalist dissident movement
      3. shadow economy based on clan and national lines.
      shadow capitalists arose long before the collapse of the USSR and long ago merged with local authorities, helping the bureaucracy to convert its administrative power into monetary wealth and tangible material wealth. Ethnicity played a pivotal role in this system - firstly, the distribution of managerial posts was carried out in accordance with Soviet national policy (in Checheno-Ingushetia this principle was violated by local nomenclature); secondly, corruption requires secrecy and mutual obligations, which is much easier to achieve within their ethnic circle

      Derlugyan G. Chechen revolution and Chechen history // Chechnya and Russia: societies and states.

      In the mid-80s, half-life became the ultimate catalyst for these trends. purposeful treacherous policy of the party leadership headed by Gorbachev
      If we talk about the 70s, then it began rapprochement of national communist leaders with nationalist dissidents on the basis of infringement of the rights of one or another ethnic group and "national revival" and "restoration of historical borders." These are the events of April 14, 1978. in Tbilisi, when mass actions took place demanding to preserve in the Constitution of the Georgian SSR the articles on the state status of the Georgian language and the solidarity of party functionaries and Georgian nationalists about the Meskhetian Turks on their "Georgian origin". It was then in Armenia that the commonality of views of the nationalists and the party leadership on the "miatsum" - the unification of the republic with the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region, which was part of the Azerbaijan SSR, was manifested. Although "miatsum" was viewed as an anti-Soviet slogan. This is what the leader of the Armenian nationalists said at that time - dissidents Paruyrur Hayrikyan:
      “We defeated the Turkish army when we created our republic, and again they would have been defeated if the Eleventh Army of the Reds had not attacked us from the north. They took us in ticks: from the south came the Turks, from the north - the Bolsheviks. The Russians did not save us, but helped Kemal liquidate our state and received part of our land for it, and the rest they gave to the Turks. ”
      "A man must live in his homeland: Jews in Israel, and Armenians in Armenia."
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 October 2013 11: 11
        +5
        In 1977, the Armenian Helsinki Group was created, whose tasks included not only protecting human rights, but also “reuniting with the Armenian Republic Nagorno-Karabakh and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Region now included in the territory of the Azerbaijan Soviet Union.” And a year later, the Constitution of Armenia fixed the provision on the state language (Armenian) in the territory of the Armenian SSR (Article 72).
        The USSR, according to Armenian patriots, often flirted with Turkey and compromised the interests and feelings of the Armenians.
        ARMENIAN NATIONAL MOVEMENT
        At that time, as the main communist of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev encouraged the resettlement of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh, where the Armenians made up the numerical majority. These actions were motivated by the protection of state interests as preventive "anti-separatist" measures. According to the third president of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev (in 1969-1982, the first secretary Central Committee of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan), the creation of an ethnic balance advantageous for Azerbaijanis was necessary so that “Prevent the Armenians from raising this issue” (that is, the issue of accession of the NKAR to Armenia).
        All these political prerequisites made it possible in the 80s to the highest party leadership of the USSR, headed by Gorbachev pursue a traitorous targeted policy for the collapse of the Union by organizing conflicts and wars in the Caucasus.
        That will ultimately lead to the exodus of more than 300 thousand Armenians from Azerbaijan, 208 thousand Azerbaijanis from Armenia, 200 thousand Georgians from Abkhazia, 220 thousand Russians from Chechnya ...
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 26 October 2013 11: 19
          +8
          "A man must live in his homeland: Jews in Israel, and Armenians in Armenia."

          did he say this to whom? in our yard 5 years ago there were no Armenians. 4 years ago a family appeared. Now there are 3. some of them who speak Russian with difficulty. and Jews live in Israel and on our television laughing
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 26 October 2013 11: 43
            +9
            Quote: Starfish
            did he say this to whom?


            To the dissident Mikhail Kheifets, who described this dialogue in his book Kheifets M.R. Favorites. Kharkov: Folio, 2000.V. 3.P. 211.
            In fact, his slogan is put into practice. All the Caucasian republics and Chechnya became mono-ethnic entities.
            Ordinary people all this fuss of elites absolutely did not concern; they built their relations as neighbors, and not as residents of enclosed enclaves. It is enough to take the same Baku of the 70-80s. And when they say that in the era of perestroika, people suddenly woke up national identity and intolerance towards other nations and the authorities carried out an erroneous policy on this issue. This is an absolute lie. It was the authorities who deliberately fanned this conflict with their actions, both direct and indirect (relying on nationalists and shadow dealers). As an example of events in Tbilisi and Baku. Even formally, when Gorbachev published January 20, 1990. a decree on the introduction of an emergency in Baku, he grossly violated the USSR Constitution, according to which a mandatory condition for the introduction of a state of emergency was permission of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Union Republic. Which was not. Therefore, this is not a mistake, but a crime of Gorbachev and his associates, clear and secret. Many things from these and other events are still shrouded in mystery and are specially hidden from the people by the current authorities because the roots of today's problems come from there.
            1. kaktus
              kaktus 26 October 2013 17: 18
              +1
              that's it! good
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 26 October 2013 11: 27
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          At that time, being the main communist of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev encouraged the resettlement of Azerbaijanis in Karabakh, where the Armenians made up the majority.

          and did the right thing ... a short-sighted person was ... after all, he was a KGB general .... after all, he had information what will and what will happen .....
          Quote: Ascetic
          to prevent the Armenians from raising this issue ”(that is, the issue of the accession of the NKAR to Armenia).

          here and raised this issue and what resulted ... the conflict cracked in the weakest spot of the USSR .. and it fell apart ...
          Quote: Ascetic
          led by Gorbachev to pursue a treacherous purposeful policy on the collapse of the Union by organizing conflicts and wars in the Caucasus.

          I completely agree!!!!
  8. kci
    kci 26 October 2013 09: 54
    +3
    The government has used and continues to use the "carrot" policy in the republics, forgetting about the stick. But in vain. Over time, the elites are getting fewer gingerbread, they want more. This is where the whip is needed, to drive it into the stall, put it in place !!
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 26 October 2013 10: 27
      +4
      Dear KCI. You need the whip, and the government and not the people (a patriot with a flag is probably Icelandic). It is necessary to punish the whip sitting in Moscow, the president is not Caucasian, ask him.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 26 October 2013 10: 48
        +3
        "It is necessary to punish those sitting in Moscow with a whip, the president is not a Caucasian, ask him."

        at the root you see dear
      2. ultra
        ultra 26 October 2013 11: 41
        +4
        Quote: Rustam09
        It’s necessary to punish those who are sitting in Moscow with a whip,

        Totally agree! hi
  9. Rustam009
    Rustam009 26 October 2013 09: 58
    +8
    For what purpose are these articles printed? Once again to excite society on radicalism? The dismemberment of the country or the call to go on a crusade against the rebellious regions in particular the Caucasus? Personally, I do not understand. I live in the North Caucasus, I am a Circassian and I don’t see any radical moods among ordinary people. No one is hostile to anyone. Why print such articles here? There is a problem with terrorism, solve the problem. Terrorists can be people of any nationality. Each time exaggerating the theme of terrorism, everything is gradually transferred to the rails of ethnic hatred. Honestly, I get the impression that they have stirred up everywhere, now they have come to me (to us Circassians). Such questions are raised everywhere, (the problem of Indians in the USA, Aboriginal people in Australia, etc.). Russia, which is a multinational country, will always have such problems and will have to solve it no matter how much it wants, and all sorts of nationalist calls will not help to do this. How malice devours a person himself, in such an attitude to own residents of their territory, even if these inhabitants are not your skin color, language and culture, will tear the country to such pieces that it will not seem a little. Who needs it? I personally and those people who live with me do not need it. So why? I ask again? Now on the site various pseudo-patriots with their inferiority complexes will begin to call for a "holy war against evil" and will warm up the fevered brains. It's time to stop these things. The call for the destruction of individual peoples is by no means patriotism. I would personally apply to the prosecutor's office with a statement about inciting interethnic hatred, but I consider myself a civilized person and hope that the administration of the site will not publish such articles again, or moderate comments. There are many comments, not the article itself.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 October 2013 10: 07
      +5
      Quote: Rustam09
      For what purpose are these articles printed?

      That would not forget "Generous Chechen hospitality". So that later on the same rake not to get up. As far as I remember, almost all the peoples of the Caucasus do not like Chechens. And no one calls to destroy them, and Stalin had the right to do so.
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 04
        -2
        That would not forget "Generous Chechen hospitality". So that later on the same rake not to get up. As far as I remember, almost all the peoples of the Caucasus do not like Chechens. And no one calls to destroy them, and Stalin had the right to do so.
        Then do not yell when the Baltic countries press the Russian population, "so as not to forget your generous hospitality."
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 54
          0
          Quote: Rustam09
          That would not forget "Generous Chechen hospitality". So that later on the same rake not to get up. As far as I remember, almost all the peoples of the Caucasus do not like Chechens. And no one calls to destroy them, laughing and Stalin had a right to it.
          Then do not yell when the Baltic countries press the Russian population, "so as not to forget your generous hospitality."


          Two drunk are walking down the street at night. Ahead of several Moldovans
          One to the other:
          - let's go stuff them face?
          Second:
          - Well, figs, but what if they
          First:
          - and then for what?
          An anecdote of the early 1990s
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius 26 October 2013 10: 19
      10
      Rustam09, the article is normal, you are wrong. No one in her calls for anything.
      Yes, there is such an aphorism - those who do not remember their past are doomed to survive it again. George Santayana said if memory serves.
      To remember.
      And then the president of Chechnya erected a monument in honor of the Caucasians who fought against the Russians - this is normal.
      And if you posted an article about the real, I emphasize, real bandits and scumbags who were hiding behind the name of the Prophet - for some reason this causes you insult and misunderstanding. request
      Regards and good day hi
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 10
        +4
        I’m not so much about the article, but about the manner of laying out with an emphasis on nationality and about some fucking "commentators". I am a person quite tolerant of nationality, but sometimes reading the comments, I sometimes have a desire to respond in kind and my patriotism is shaking in the bud. It shouldn't be like that.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 26 October 2013 10: 37
      -3
      Quote: Rustam09
      For what purpose are these articles printed?

      Respect and Respect !!! hi
      massacre of Armenians all over Azerbaijan,
      what a massacre ..... let it better remember who first started and who they killed first .. and the first victims were 2 boys, 16 years old, from the Agdam region .....
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 56
        +5
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: Rustam09
        For what purpose are these articles printed?

        Respect and Respect !!! hi
        massacre of Armenians all over Azerbaijan,
        what a massacre ..... let it better remember who first started and who they killed first .. and the first victims were 2 boys, 16 years old, from the Agdam region .....


        For the murder of two boys, the peaceful hospitable Azerbaijani people responded with massive Armenian pogroms ...
        And when they took only one "peaceful" murderer, an Azerbaijani, the pro-government group began to threaten to arrange Russian pogroms ...
    4. Russ69
      Russ69 26 October 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Rustam09, great advantage.
      Too much, in recent times it has been said about the interethnic issue, and the more negative things are printed in the Caucasus, the better it is considered.
      Since they print so much, it means someone needs it, the question is who ...?
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 57
        +2
        Quote: Russ69
        Rustam09, great advantage.
        Too much, in recent times it has been said about the interethnic issue, and the more negative things are printed in the Caucasus, the better it is considered.
        Since they print so much, it means someone needs it, the question is who ...?


        And what is positive about Russia from the Caucasus and Russians from Caucasians see?
        Therefore, the attitude is
        1. Alex V.
          Alex V. 28 October 2013 23: 15
          +1
          Quote: cdrt
          And what is positive about Russia from the Caucasus and Russians from Caucasians see?
          Therefore, the attitude is

          A robber takes a passerby’s mobile phone while looking away, while the phone is old, if you don’t sell it, you won’t earn it.
          He thinks with hatred, these are scum, these passers-by. They don’t even have normal phones.
          So are the Russians. First they came to the Caucasus with war, and then they say that the Caucasians did good to us,
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 27 October 2013 22: 01
        +2
        Quote: Russ69
        and the more negative in the Caucasus they print, the better it is considered.


        Who thinks so? You? If not ... share the source.
    5. kaktus
      kaktus 26 October 2013 17: 24
      0
      [quote = Rustam09] There is a problem with terrorism, solve the problem. Terrorists can be people of any nationality. Each time exaggerating the theme of terrorism, everything is gradually transferred to the rails of ethnic hatred. .. Such questions are raised everywhere, (the problem of Indians in the USA, Aboriginal people in Australia, etc.) Russia, which is a multinational country, will always have such problems and will have to solve it no matter how much it wants, and all sorts of nationalistic calls will not help to do it.

      Indians and Aborigines did not seem to engage in terrorism?
    6. smile
      smile 26 October 2013 18: 14
      0
      Rustam09
      You can add-these nationalist pseudo-patriots will shout more — the regime of Pu, and only secondarily — the Crusades — and this is logical, because ethnic hatred is also kindled to weaken and dismember Russia, and this will only happen when the swamps, most of all screaming about feeding the Caucasus.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 26 October 2013 21: 59
        0
        Quote: smile
        Rustam09
        You can add-these nationalist pseudo-patriots will shout more — the regime of Pu, and only secondarily — the Crusades — and this is logical, because ethnic hatred is also kindled to weaken and dismember Russia, and this will only happen when the swamps, most of all screaming about feeding the Caucasus.


        This is called putting the cart before the horse.
        Nationalism arose much earlier than Navalny. He just uses it, but he himself wrote about it
  10. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 26 October 2013 10: 51
    0
    Comrade Stalin quickly solved the problem of the Caucasus and without much loss.
    ... and speaking of elites - there were no elites under him! Because the "elite" must be constantly replaced, because it starts to win. (something that began to grow violently from the Khrushchev Pervorot to what we eat now)
    This is by the way that: "we are not 37 years old" => AND SO WOULD LIKE !!!
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 18
      +6
      If you don’t remember the story, let me remind you: Comrade Stalin-Dzhugashvili rebuke almost destroyed the entire Russian people, and not just the Caucasus
      Comrade Stalin quickly solved the problem of the Caucasus and without much loss.
      ... and speaking of elites - there were no elites under him! Because the "elite" must be constantly replaced, because it starts to win. (something that began to grow violently from the Khrushchev Pervorot to what we eat now)
      This is by the way that: "we are not 37 years old" => AND SO WOULD LIKE !!!
      If you are such a narrow-minded person, first learn your story, and then reason. If you had lived at this time, I would have looked, as if "I WOULD LIKE IT SO !!!" About greyhounds: greyhounds are sitting at their nicknames with nationalist statements on the site and barking (what they know best).
      1. smile
        smile 26 October 2013 18: 22
        +2
        Rustam09
        Strange - you quite rightly point out that the swamp slogan "Stop feeding the Caucasus" is dangerous, first of all, for Russia itself ... and then you pick up their own assertion that Stalin nearly destroyed the entire Russian people in the bud .... that. To put it mildly, not true ... and by the eviction of the Crimean Tatars and some of the peoples of the Caucasus, Stalin prevented the just destruction of a significant number of their representatives ... after all, something had to be done with the Nazi accomplices-Russophobes - it was possible to wage a long war with the gangs of Nazi accomplices .. a sea of ​​blood would have spilled, first of all, representatives of these peoples ... he acted differently ... in fact, he saved a lot of people ...
  11. kci
    kci 26 October 2013 11: 28
    +6
    Quote: Rustam09
    Dear KCI. You need the whip, and the government and not the people (a patriot with a flag is probably Icelandic). It is necessary to punish the whip sitting in Moscow, the president is not Caucasian, ask him.

    Dear, I did not poke YOU, be mutually polite, this is the first. And the second, I am glad for you that you can read, BUT please read carefully !! I wrote the whip needed by the republican ELITES, NOT BY PEOPLE. The people need decent wages and jobs. Then there will be no time to think about separatism, everyone will be at work.
    And as for patriotism, yes, I love my homeland - Russia and work to increase its defense ability at the defense industry complex.
    When reading the comments, turn on the brain !!!
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 48
      +8
      Konstantin. As for poking, I apologize, it happened mechanically for me (as they say non-Russian, we don’t have such differentiation in the language, so I often sin, do not be offended by this from evil). Sometimes, reading comments because of these calls can be especially you can’t get into the phrases. Excuse me.
  12. Rustam009
    Rustam009 26 October 2013 11: 36
    +8
    I am on behalf of the Circassians, Adyghs, who I represent as the representative: I want to say the following: my people never suffered from nationalism, we were always an international family. Look at the link (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC8B3EFDA5469F12D) a film about the village of Besleni, where Circassians during the Second World War, the children of the besieged Leningrad were sheltered in the families where they grew up and became relatives. As you look at this, you can declare the people a criminal and call for destruction? I am personally offended to read such comments.
    1. Glory333
      Glory333 26 October 2013 12: 17
      +2
      Interestingly, all peoples suffer from nationalism - and the Chinese and French and Russians and Jews ... absolutely everything with one exception - the Circassians do not suffer from nationalism)))))
    2. Teacher
      Teacher 26 October 2013 13: 18
      10
      Dear Rustam! Your people, just like all the others, are worthy of respect, I lived near Adygs for thirty years (originally from the Kuban), and were friends with many. Only now if the Aulchan stole the cows in the neighboring village, or committed another crime there, they cover him with the whole aul, isn’t that so? I am a witness to many such stories. A police outfit arrives in the village, the local district police officer fools them with his head, driving around in a roundabout way until the offender is warned or hidden. In any case, the Russians will extradite their criminal because he is scum, the Circassians will steal him anyway, unless he has committed a crime against his fellow tribesmen. But please, do not convince me otherwise, I still trust my memory. Here is the difference in mentality.
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 26 October 2013 22: 07
        +3
        Quote: Teacher
        Dear Rustam! Your people, just like all the others, are worthy of respect, I lived near Adygs for thirty years (originally from the Kuban), and were friends with many. Only now if the Aulchan stole the cows in the neighboring village, or committed another crime there, they cover him with the whole aul, isn’t that so? I am a witness to many such stories. A police outfit arrives in the village, the local district police officer fools them with his head, driving around in a roundabout way until the offender is warned or hidden. In any case, the Russians will extradite their criminal because he is scum, the Circassians will steal him anyway, unless he has committed a crime against his fellow tribesmen. But please, do not convince me otherwise, I still trust my memory. Here is the difference in mentality.


        1. There are no deep-rooted traditions of peaceful labor in the Caucasus
        2, What was the main fishing of the Caucasian peoples before their conquest in the 19th century?
        3. To Caucasians, as I understand it, it was always considered valor to steal something, to steal (by the way, the Swiss behaved in the same way !! up to the 17th century, apparently it’s generally typical of the highlanders)
        4. The fact that the fruits of enlightenment created a thin layer of people brought up in slightly different ways will not change the deep stereotypes of the behavior of peoples that are several thousand years old
    3. igor67
      igor67 26 October 2013 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: Rustam09
      I am on behalf of the Circassians, Adyghs, who I represent as the representative: I want to say the following: my people never suffered from nationalism, we were always an international family. Look at the link (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC8B3EFDA5469F12D) a film about the village of Besleni, where Circassians during the Second World War, the children of the besieged Leningrad were sheltered in the families where they grew up and became relatives. As you look at this, you can declare the people a criminal and call for destruction? I am personally offended to read such comments.

      I agree with you, we also have many Circassians in Israel, near the village of Rekhonia, I worked with guys, not of any nationalism, the guy I worked with came from Maykop, married the daughter of a local Circassian, they live normally
  13. Rustam009
    Rustam009 26 October 2013 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Glory333
    Interestingly, all peoples suffer from nationalism - and the Chinese and French and Russians and Jews ... absolutely everything with one exception - the Circassians do not suffer from nationalism)))))
    Right Dear Glory! it is precisely people who do not suffer from nationalism, even those that you have listed. Only individuals or groups are affected and usually unhealthy.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 26 October 2013 12: 58
      +3
      Quote: Rustam09
      Only individuals or groups are affected and usually unhealthy.

      I’ll run into a bunch of cons probably. But reading the comments of some representatives, the so-called titular nation and Caucasians (it is good that they are on the forum). The question sometimes arises, who is the most patriot of Russia ...
      Rustam09, + + +
  14. kci
    kci 26 October 2013 12: 55
    +4
    Quote: Rustam09
    Konstantin. As for poking, I apologize, it happened mechanically for me (as they say non-Russian, we don’t have such differentiation in the language, so I often sin, do not be offended by this from evil). Sometimes, reading comments because of these calls can be especially you can’t get into the phrases. Excuse me.

    Accepted. Dear, I lived in the North Caucasus (in Ossetia) for 16 years (I’m the son of an Officer) and I don’t keep you angry, but about the work of the local population: in principle, she is not there and that’s why I left the Caucasus.
  15. men
    men 26 October 2013 13: 03
    +5
    Dear author, although after reading this material, I began to doubt this, with your article, not directly, but between the lines, you (just like that, with a small letter) are trying to raise the dust from the ashes of the fire, which, thanks to reasonable people, were extinguished, because. I perceive your article only as an attempt to incite interethnic hatred (no, you did not insult or hurt, but you excite fragile, young minds who are susceptible to such "soft" appeals).
    In addition, before you start publishing your work for public viewing, please, at least a little study the people about whom you are going to write, I quote: "North Caucasian peoples (Kabardians, Circassians, Adygs)". There is one people - self-name - Adygs, Circassians is a different name for the same people, i.e. so called the Circassians the rest of the world. And the Kabardians are one of the twelve tribes of the Circassians, as a result they are one and not three different North Caucasian peoples as you claim.
    Further, the Adygs do not have clans — this is inherent in the Chechens, Dagestanis, and Ingushs.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 26 October 2013 15: 49
      +3
      Quote: homme
      Further, the Adygs do not have clans — this is inherent in the Chechens, Dagestanis, and Ingushs.

      Here. Even the representative of the UK confirmed one interesting observation. hi
      There is such a generalized "name" of the three republics on the net WitchKa Дagestan ИNgushetia Чerychnia.
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 26 October 2013 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        There is such a generalized "name" of the three republics of DICHKA on the Internet. Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya


        Online. as in the trash, which is not there wassat
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 26 October 2013 18: 32
        +2
        Quote: Ptah
        Quote: homme
        Further, the Adygs do not have clans — this is inherent in the Chechens, Dagestanis, and Ingushs.
        Here. Even the representative of the UK confirmed one interesting observation.
        There is such a generalized "name" of the three republics of DICHKA on the net. Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya.

        A representative of another republic of the UK would not be better off confirming. And then I remember that in Karachay-Cherkessia the president’s son-in-law didn’t feel the earth beneath him at one time. Is this not clanishness, when the relatives of the representative of the authorities want something and create something? And it’s good if, as a matter of fact, to analyze such a phenomenon as clanism, aren’t the clans created or created for other reasons not led or led by our common country? It seems that after Stalin, the Caucasians were not in power, but all the same clans in a slightly different form.
    2. asadov
      asadov 26 October 2013 17: 19
      +1
      I agree completely. The topics covered in this article do not tolerate amateurism.
  16. Yeraz
    Yeraz 26 October 2013 15: 51
    0
    Article minus. Herein is a one-sided representation of the fact of silence. The massacre of Armenians all over Azerbaijan began, and why did it start ???? Maybe because before this massacre the Azerbaijani population was expelled from Armenia with the connivance of the central government. Although the duplicity of the Russian media is not amazing, it’s enough to include Russian channels only Armenians, and the phrase of the Minister of Culture of Russia that his ministry is the embassy of Armenia in the Russian Federation!
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 26 October 2013 22: 13
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      Article minus. Herein is a one-sided representation of the fact of silence. The massacre of Armenians all over Azerbaijan began, and why did it start ???? Maybe because before this massacre the Azerbaijani population was expelled from Armenia with the connivance of the central government. Although the duplicity of the Russian media is not amazing, it’s enough to include Russian channels only Armenians, and the phrase of the Minister of Culture of Russia that his ministry is the embassy of Armenia in the Russian Federation!


      Armenia is, albeit forced, an ally of Russia.
      Azerbaijan, for the sake of its national interests (reducing dependence on transit from the Russian Federation), has sided with its opponents.
      Why are you surprised by a more favorable attitude towards Armenia?
      And if we take into account the fact that the Armenians are Christians ... (after all, most Russians hardly know that they are not Orthodox wink ) - what are you surprised at?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 26 October 2013 23: 02
        0
        Quote: cdrt
        Quote: Yeraz
        Article minus. Herein is a one-sided representation of the fact of silence. The massacre of Armenians all over Azerbaijan began, and why did it start ???? Maybe because before this massacre the Azerbaijani population was expelled from Armenia with the connivance of the central government. Although the duplicity of the Russian media is not amazing, it’s enough to include Russian channels only Armenians, and the phrase of the Minister of Culture of Russia that his ministry is the embassy of Armenia in the Russian Federation!


        Armenia is, albeit forced, an ally of Russia.
        Azerbaijan, for the sake of its national interests (reducing dependence on transit from the Russian Federation), has sided with its opponents.
        Why are you surprised by a more favorable attitude towards Armenia?
        And if we take into account the fact that the Armenians are Christians ... (after all, most Russians hardly know that they are not Orthodox wink ) - what are you surprised at?

        Transit is not the first reason, but the first reason that Russia sided with the occupier and it was necessary to have a counterweight, with Turkey, in any case, there would be, but here is the West, honestly a counterweight so-so, given the Armenian lobby, but sometimes used as a counterweight.
        It’s not the attitude that is surprising, but it’s forever the media’s lies and understatement about the massacre, why they are silent about the deportation of Azeobai people from Armenia, which happened earlier and the persecution of Armenians began for this reason, but if this duplicity is explained by benevolence to Armenia ...
        Well, I tell you so, I met some individuals who thought that the Armenians were Muslims, but it shocked me even more when I met other individuals who thought that Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia are independent republics and are not part of the Russian Federation, the Internet helped out and without believing in my statements, I was able to poke my face in the face)))
      2. Field
        Field 27 October 2013 21: 13
        0
        Quote: cdrt
        (after all, most Russians hardly know that they are not Orthodox)

        we know, we know, but our temples enter
  17. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 26 October 2013 15: 56
    +2
    each nation has its own truth and its own inner world, but in ancient times in Russia the customs were almost the same in the Caucasus: blood feud, kidnapping of the bride. everything changed after the Baptism of Russia
  18. Kubanets
    Kubanets 26 October 2013 16: 54
    +2
    Hello to forum users. The title of the article is fundamentally wrong. Cherkesses (Adyge Karachai) are right now loyal to Russia (they drink vodka, pork barbecue) all signs of assimilation. A threat from the east of the UK there is a hotbed of militant Islam By the way, I forgot to say thankful Abkhazians (also a branch of the Circassian peoples) against Russia?
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 26 October 2013 22: 15
      0
      Quote: Kubanets
      Hello to forum users. The title of the article is fundamentally wrong. Cherkesses (Adyge Karachai) are right now loyal to Russia (they drink vodka, pork barbecue) all signs of assimilation. A threat from the east of the UK there is a hotbed of militant Islam By the way, I forgot to say thankful Abkhazians (also a branch of the Circassian peoples) against Russia?


      Maybe you are right.
    2. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 27 October 2013 16: 52
      0
      Quote: Kubanets
      Circassians (Adyge Karachai) are right now loyal to Russia (they drink vodka, chop pork barbecue) all the signs of assimilation. The threat from the east of the UK there is a hotbed of militant Islam

      Original. So loyalty to Russia is now determined by the use of pork and vodka. Mdya ... well then we (east SK) are definitely not loyal. No.
    3. 225chay
      225chay 28 October 2013 04: 19
      +2
      Quote: Kubanets
      . Cherkess (Adyge Karachai)

      Karachai, Balkarians have no blood relationship what all Turks to Circassians (Adygs) have.
  19. Teacher
    Teacher 26 October 2013 17: 59
    +3
    Quote: Kubanets
    Hello to forum users. The title of the article is fundamentally wrong. Cherkesses (Adyge Karachai) are right now loyal to Russia (they drink vodka, pork barbecue) all signs of assimilation. A threat from the east of the UK there is a hotbed of militant Islam By the way, I forgot to say thankful Abkhazians (also a branch of the Circassian peoples) against Russia?

    I agree with the fellow countryman. In comparison with the inhabitants of the southeastern part of the North Caucasus, Adygs, for the most part, are more noble and less reckless. And the main threat to stability in the Caucasus is three cheerful republics.
  20. Mark III
    Mark III 26 October 2013 19: 22
    +3
    In Russia, many small nations have historically and, perhaps not of their own free will, found themselves in the federation. However, for some reason, only the "proud" Caucasian people want to eat better than others, embodying in practice the main slogan of the builders of communism: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs... And the point is not in Russia as such, but in the fact (the example of Georgia shows) that small Caucasian "proud" peoples are ready to sell themselves to anyone who will feed them better. This is their lot. And nothing can be done about it.
  21. Captain45
    Captain45 26 October 2013 20: 03
    +4
    I do not know from what sources the author of the article P. Pryanikov took evidence of the national-extremist orientation of the bandit group of Kh. Osmanov, but I will say what I know: I have worked for almost two decades as an opera of the criminal investigation. For those who do not know, they are on the wanted list. I know how it is now, but I used to receive very interesting magazines every month under the heading "Secret" and "Sov.sekretno", where aspects of the ORD (operational search activity) were considered, including archival cases. If it were not for the article, I would not remember , but in the year 90 or 91, when things related to organized crime, including ethnic crime, started in one such magazine, I read an archival file on Khabal Osmanov and his bandit group. So there was no politics and the KGB was at the stage of implementation of the operative involved only in order to exclude information leakage during the implementation, i.e. detention. Therefore, it is somewhat incomprehensible to me why the author brought in some mullahs, leaflets and other political realities. There was pure crime. It seems to me that this is another a scoop of coal in the flaming fire of national strife. Yes, and an article from a national site, I read his materials. I am ready to answer the author for his words.
  22. Captain45
    Captain45 26 October 2013 20: 04
    +3
    I do not know from what sources the author of the article P. Pryanikov took evidence of the national-extremist orientation of the bandit group of Kh. Osmanov, but I will say what I know: I have worked for almost two decades as an opera of the criminal investigation. For those who do not know, they are on the wanted list. I know how it is now, but I used to receive very interesting magazines every month under the heading "Secret" and "Sov.sekretno", where aspects of the ORD (operational search activity) were considered, including archival cases. If it were not for the article, I would not remember , but in the year 90 or 91, when things related to organized crime, including ethnic crime, started in one such magazine, I read an archival file on Khabal Osmanov and his bandit group. So there was no politics and the KGB was at the stage of implementation of the operative involved only in order to exclude information leakage during the implementation, i.e. detention. Therefore, it is somewhat incomprehensible to me why the author brought in some mullahs, leaflets and other political realities. There was pure crime. It seems to me that this is another a scoop of coal in the flaming fire of national strife. Yes, and an article from a national site, I read his materials. I am ready to answer the author for his words.
  23. understudy
    understudy 26 October 2013 21: 16
    +4
    "... he robbed and stole, justifying his actions by fighting the Soviet regime." (from)
    The whole essence of the "political activity" of the bandit. Individual cars, shops, cafes ... and not a single attack on the authorities. A stupid, evil nonentity.
  24. воронов
    воронов 26 October 2013 23: 15
    +3
    "The KGB of the USSR did not register a single case of mass riots at all" - this information is not accurate, in 1967. There were large riots in the city of Chimkent, South Kazakhstan. Local police detained a young driver of one of the Chimkent heavy truck depots, and later the body of this driver with bodily injuries was found on the street. Friends went to one of the local police departments for explanations. The policemen stood in a pose and other drivers came to the rescue, beat them off, the police began to shoot, the residents joined the drivers, smashed this district department, then a chain reaction began throughout the city, they began to smash the police departments, catch the policemen, beat and kill them, I must say that At that time there were a lot of so-called convicts in the city. "chemists" from all over the union, who worked at the chemical plants of the city, lived in special commandant's offices and therefore the criminal situation in the city was very tense. The police fled, began to take off their uniforms and change into civilian clothes. Crowds of rioters tried to take by storm the correctional colonies that were in the city , but to the credit of their employees and the military personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs guarding them, this did not happen, the attack was repelled, but the employees of the local pre-trial detention center and the guards fled and only a 19-year-old young girl-employee for several hours alone held the defense on the guard tower, no automatic fire later, paratroopers and other army units were brought up from the city of Chirchik and the riot was suppressed. And then at night, soldiers took out the corpses in trucks and buried them anonymous in the city cemetery. I personally met with a participant in these events , his 18 year old was convicted and he served 15 years from call to call. My future father-in-law, at that time, a part-time student of the Chimkent Pedagogical Institute, was just passing the session and was also an eyewitness to these events, my classmate at VU at that time, a boy, a resident of Chimkent, was the same eyewitness to those events. After the riots in Chimkent, the next year the Chimkent secondary school was opened The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, she became the forge of personnel for the police and the penal system. And that girl, as they say, was awarded, and from sin was transferred to serve somewhere in Russia, while providing an apartment.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 26 October 2013 23: 37
      +2
      Quote: voronov
      The local police detained a young driver of one of the Chimkent heavy-duty motor depots, and later the body of this driver with bodily injuries was found on the street. The friends went to one of the local police departments for clarifications. The policemen stood in a pose and detained them. Other drivers came to help and beat them off. , the police began to shoot, the residents joined the drivers, destroyed this regional department, then a chain reaction began throughout the city, they began to smash the police departments, catch the policemen, beat and kill them, I must say that at that time there were a lot of so-called convicts in the city. "chemists" from all over the union,

      Where is the political or national motive here? The normal reaction of a small city where everyone knew each other is to the police lawlessness, which was used by a previously convicted contingent present in large numbers in the city. By the way, this case was also very detailed in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and after it they began to determine the number of special contingent in one city. And personal opinion: then apparently the people were friendlier, since they responded to lawlessness, but the convicts took advantage of the situation and the result for the participants in the events was sad. I always say, don’t go where someone shouts something against the authorities in the square. It will be better. There are legal ways - the prosecutor’s office, the court. But we are too lazy to go there, but we just want a lot, it doesn’t happen that way.
  25. chief.matros
    chief.matros 27 October 2013 02: 22
    +4
    Good night everyone! Firstly, Georgians did not pay income tax and the GRSSR was supplied in the first category since the time of I.V. Stalin (the republic began to pay taxes as expected only with the advent of Gorbachev). Secondly, didn’t you forget that the Sochi-Black Sea coast is all the same Caucasus? And thirdly, Russians in the Caucasus are a deterrent, why? Let us recall the Soviet names of the Caucasian republics: Chechen-Ingushetia, but never before the 1990s (the first Chechen company), Chechens and Ingush did not live in perfect harmony, they fought all the time. Kabardino-Balkaria is the same, Karachay-Cherkessia, translated from Karachay, the Circassian is a thug, the translation of the word speaks for itself. So, if the Russians leave here, there will simply be a big-scale massacre, first between nations, and then between clans. Those people who create lawlessness in Russia, for the most part, are not from noble clans (unfortunately there are sometimes exceptions), they are simply ball-skiers trying to somehow stand out and emphasize the importance of their kind. But the Caucasus does not need to be forced to work, because most of them want it themselves, but alas, there’s nowhere to go to hell for a long ruble, and where the curve of the capitalist dream will lead, someone will work, someone will be recruited by criminal structures, someone will simply be thrown with money and he will he himself will go to crime to take revenge on everyone and everything.
  26. t-95-70
    t-95-70 27 October 2013 08: 15
    -1
    The guys who scream the loudest here are saying that everything is wrong and wrong with them. Tell me how to? How to solve the issues of living together on our land in a short time and what would everyone be happy with? Those who shout that Putin is pumping money in and don’t see anything, tell me what you would do after these territories were liberated from the regular army of terrorists. And when you will offer your ideas, tell me for how long they will lead to a positive result.
  27. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 27 October 2013 09: 04
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: MIKHAN
    .Read dear history (Ermolova especially ..)

    Ermolov, Ermolov, and again Ermolov. How many do not feed the wolf, but still looks into the forest. With the abolition of deportation, a mistake came out.

    In the Caucasus, a wolf is a rarity there in nature, they are JAWS and the peoples of the Caucasus behave in Russia AS you know who.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 27 October 2013 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: NORILCHAN
      In the Caucasus, a wolf is a rarity there in nature they are jackals

      That's just there a rarity jackal. The habitat of the jackal is a plain, from the forest-steppe to the semi-desert. He goes reluctantly into the forest and mountains. The wolf was a rarity while it was knocked out, and now there is no one to do it
  28. Katsin1
    Katsin1 27 October 2013 09: 38
    0
    We have 2 Circassian villages from the Circassians. Very worthy people, hard workers, educated, zero crime, polls serve in the army in combat units (being Muslims). The villages are clean, well maintained, a sight for sore eyes ...
  29. t-95-70
    t-95-70 27 October 2013 10: 52
    +2
    The first step, in order to return to us one common idea, the idea of ​​the Russian state, is the introduction of a single history textbook. Let scholars argue, seek, prove, those who want to study history more deeply, also let them study documents, but all the peoples of Russia should know that they live in a great country, and that our ancestors defended their land together.
  30. understudy
    understudy 27 October 2013 14: 18
    0
    Quote: t-95-70
    this is the introduction of a single history textbook.

    The idea of ​​a single textbook has the right to life ... But, from your childhood, do not remember your own words about, - "Did my grandfather (dad) tell me what was wrong ..."?
    Whoever composes the textbook, it will not reflect the real state of affairs, but, first of all, will become a mirror reflection of the will of the "leading and directing" political force dominating at a given historical moment. Just as it is impossible to issue laws for each specific case, so it is impossible to compile a textbook that would satisfy all strata of society in the state. And again, BUT ... One can argue, but Soviet textbooks, be that as it may, enjoyed "authority" among the overwhelming majority of the population. Something like this. request
    1. t-95-70
      t-95-70 27 October 2013 15: 04
      +1
      Then let Chechnya continue to teach history and talk about the Russian invaders? then we’ll build an ideal state for sure, and about the guiding role and about the fact that no one believed in the textbooks then. So I completely disagree with you. They believed, just as they believed, they were just red, the idea of ​​equality and fraternity, of a society of equal opportunities, was so corrupted that it was necessary to take into account the mistakes of the USSR, but also not to forget about those ideas that, once again, in my opinion were delightful.
  31. t-95-70
    t-95-70 27 October 2013 15: 10
    0
    t-95-70 (1) RU Today, 08:15
    The guys who scream the loudest here are saying that everything is wrong and wrong with them. Tell me how to? How to solve the issues of living together on our land in a short time and what would everyone be happy with? Those who shout that Putin is pumping money in and don’t see anything, tell me what you would do after these territories were liberated from the regular army of terrorists. And when you will offer your ideas, tell me for how long they will lead to a positive result. I just can’t understand why they are being minus, I just asked about your ideas, or is it easier to yell and haul everything on the Internet?
  32. chief.matros
    chief.matros 27 October 2013 15: 20
    +2
    For a thousand years there has not been peace in the Caucasus, and there will not be as many as ever, whatever you think up. If one nation is good, the other will be indignant. If the Circassians, Karachais, Kabardins, etc. will argue about the land, then the Nogais will say: after all, there used to be a Nogai Khanate here and they will be right in their own way, so there is no way to do without infringement of anyone’s rights, and where there are infringements, there are insults, and another mess. Therefore, it is necessary to cruelly, and even cruelly, to enforce the policies and laws of Russia, and cursing and flirting with the peoples of the Caucasus will lead to nothing good. Let me remind you: talking with some angers and provokes others - a vicious circle that cannot be broken, and if it seems to someone that a solution has been found, then this is only a mirage.
    1. t-95-70
      t-95-70 27 October 2013 15: 32
      0
      So it was already a sword and fire, but no solution was found. The result is not achieved, then what?
      1. Black
        Black 27 October 2013 16: 36
        +2
        Quote: t-95-70
        So it was already a sword and fire, but no solution was found. The result is not achieved, then what?


        Reach, what else? !! Is someone ready to give up the Caucasus? No.
        Then you have to solve the problem. And he decided and is resolving.
        The political purchase of elites, preferences and similar measures will sooner or later be replaced by harsh and repressive methods, then the hot phase will be replaced by the purchase of the following elites ... in a circle, in a circle.
        It seems that it won't take long to wait for the hot phase of this cycle. The boiler is already overheated. The Olympics will soon host a "bear".
        It is only necessary to bear in mind that the war for ideals in the Caucasus ended in the 19th century. At 20, the abreks are traitors and banal bandits (the history of the gang from the article is a prime example). The ideology of the struggle for independence, Islam is just a beautiful burka for fools. under the cloak - banditry and squabble of the elites for the love and money of the Kremlin.
  33. t-95-70
    t-95-70 27 October 2013 17: 36
    +2
    that’s exactly, and just at that moment, it’s necessary to pursue a normal policy, for people, creating jobs, putting things in order is hard and long, but there is no other way
  34. Rinat 1
    Rinat 1 27 October 2013 18: 23
    +2
    The problem is not in the Caucasus, but in a corrupt and corrupt government
  35. Alex V.
    Alex V. 28 October 2013 22: 19
    0
    "... In 1969-1976, the KGB of the USSR did not register a single case of mass riots at all ..."
    In 1973g. in January, on Lenin Square, in the center of Grozny, the so-called "Civil Rally of the Ingush" took place for five days. They demanded that the Ingush of the Prigorodny District be returned. He himself attended it, being still a schoolboy of the 8th grade.
    Five days later, many soldiers arrived (there was no riot police then) and everyone was arrested. Several thousand people. Full area was. My brother, a cat. studied at the Leningrad Conservatory, was planted, on a far-fetched pretext (because he was also in the square). Almost everyone who participated in the rally, and that was mainly the intelligentsia, lost their jobs, were subjected to all kinds of oppression, etc.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 October 2013 22: 25
      0
      They should have been imprisoned, not "subjected to harassment." High quality and for a long time. Maybe then the Ingush would not have gone to slaughter the Ossetian neighbors in one night.
  36. Alex V.
    Alex V. 28 October 2013 22: 40
    0
    Quote: Iraclius
    And then the president of Chechnya erected a monument in honor of the Caucasians who fought against the Russians - this is normal.

    But the fact that a bunch of churches and chapels throughout Russia, in honor of the capture of Kazan? Is this possible?
    Those. attackers can, but not the defenders?
  37. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 31 October 2013 22: 49
    0
    "so to speak, the titular nation and the Caucasians (it's good that they are on the forum). Sometimes the question arises who is more a patriot of Russia ..."

    do not flatter yourself at the expense of * faith from the Caucasus. Climbing with them is expensive for a Russian person. Apparently the events in Abkhazia, 08.08.08/1/2, the XNUMXst and XNUMXnd war did not teach you anything.
  38. I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 31 October 2013 22: 49
    0
    "so to speak, the titular nation and the Caucasians (it's good that they are on the forum). Sometimes the question arises who is more a patriot of Russia ..."

    do not flatter yourself at the expense of * faith from the Caucasus. Climbing with them is expensive for a Russian person. Apparently the events in Abkhazia, 08.08.08/1/2, the XNUMXst and XNUMXnd war did not teach you anything.