Iranian gifts to the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force: Tehran convinces Moscow of the need for a military rapprochement

Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, Lieutenant-General Viktor Bondarev visited Iran at the invitation of his Iranian colleague, Brigadier General Hassan Shah-Safi. The visit lasted four days. During this time, our commander-in-chief, naturally, was shown by almost all the available military-technical achievements of the Islamic Republic.

Iran, in principle, is trying to prove to the world that it is actively developing technologically and is able to repel any attack. And for such a desire of the Iranians is difficult to blame. For many years this country has been under serious pressure from almost all its neighbors — perhaps from Russia’s least. But overseas world hegemon, until recently, generally created from Iran a kind of horror story, “a threat to all progressive humanity”, which can be used to justify its military programs. Suffice it to recall the placement of elements of the global strategic missile defense system (PRO) in Europe. Without the “Iranian nuclear threat”, it would be very difficult to start deploying such a system around the world.

In such a situation, with virtually no allies, Iran can only rely on itself. In the first place - on the armed. And it is quite logical that he tries to strengthen them, willy-nilly, playing on the image of his aggressiveness.

But back to the military achievements of Iran, which were demonstrated to our commander-in-chief of the Air Force. According to the official report of the Iranian media, the video was transmitted to Viktor Bondarev, which captured the potential of the aerospace forces while tracking the warships of supra-regional powers in the waters of the Persian Gulf. In other words, Iran is able to track the movements of NATO ships in the Persian Gulf using air reconnaissance devices. As demonstrated to us.

What for? Iran is very interested in close cooperation with Russia, and is ready to be useful in getting closer to us. This is not only economic and military-technical cooperation. This is an application for participation in a new regional security architecture. Best of all, this application is illustrated by the statement of Brigadier General Farzad Ismailia, who showed Viktor Nikolayevich the base of Khatam Al-Anbiya air defense system: “The more the defense doctrines of Iran and the Russian Federation converge, the more stability will be in the region”.

So far, the convergence of defense doctrines is more from the area of ​​wishes than from reality. But Iran actively demonstrates to us that it has such a wish, and, by the good Eastern tradition, it reinforces this wish with friendly gestures and valuable gifts.

One of these gifts was presented to Viktor Bondarev by Brigadier General Amir Ali Khajizade (commander aviation Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)): the Yasseer unmanned aerial vehicle. Apparently, only the apparatus, without control systems. This is a copied American Scan Eagle. The Iranians intercepted him last December when he was conducting reconnaissance over Iranian territory. More recently, Iran announced that it would begin mass production of a copy of this device.

The Scan Eagle unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) was adopted by the US Navy in 2005. It is able to stay in the air for 8 hours, has a range of 200 km and a flight altitude of 4500 meters, can conduct optical reconnaissance and determine the coordinates of various objects for targeting weapons. it naval drone scout. It is launched using a small pneumatic catapult, and sits down, clinging with a hook to the tensioned cable. In general, this device can be called optimal for solving its tasks.

And if Iran managed to reproduce most of the characteristics of the original UAV, then an Iranian copy may be of interest to us. A few years ago we were ready to buy obsolete Israeli UAVs, because we did not have access to more advanced technologies. Since then, we have come close to implementing several of our own programs. But acquaintance with technical solutions of a very high-quality foreign apparatus would be useful for us.

Of course, the most interesting technologies are those that are most difficult to copy - control, communication and automation systems. But the fact of the gift hints at the possibility of mutually beneficial cooperation in this area.

It will not be superfluous to recall here that in 2011, the specialists who helped the Iranians to master our radio equipment had a hand in getting Iran to have a truly advanced American UAV - RQ-170 Sentinel. Then it was possible to break the orientation system and the flight mission of the apparatus, thanks to which Sentinel made a relatively soft landing in Iran, and did not return to the American base in the western part of Afghanistan. Before RQ-170 was shown by Iranian television, no one suspected its existence at all. Sentinel was used by the CIA for strategic intelligence, and therefore was secret. In addition to the stealth technology, RQ-170 was extremely interesting for its reconnaissance equipment, communication systems and flight algorithms in automatic mode. However, access to the device was not immediately granted to our specialists, despite the obvious merit in obtaining it. According to some unconfirmed information, only at the beginning of this year we were provided with data about it.

Now we can clearly bring our positions together with Iran. This is evidenced by the invitation of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force and the steps towards them that were taken during the visit.

Naturally, Iran is interested in military-technical cooperation and political support. In 2014 – 2015, he may get out of international sanctions, partially free from external pressure, but he will not get rid of tensions with his neighbors.

The fact that the Americans suddenly decided to soften their policies towards this country does not detract from the possibility of a big Shiite-Sunni war in the Middle East. And Iran understands this well. That is why he tries to strengthen military capabilities and find allies. At least tactical.

We have already written about the decision to resume cooperation with Iran on long-range anti-aircraft missile systems. This issue was discussed during the visit of Viktor Bondarev. The talks also touched on other weapons systems: electronic intelligence, radar stations and guided missiles.

Here it should be said that supplying Iran with its high-tech weapon we benefit not only for economic reasons, but also for security reasons. Iran will always be our neighbor. And it is desirable that he always was a good and stable neighbor. But even if any complications happen, our missiles that are in service with another state will never fly into us. And by selling our weapons, we indirectly ensure our own security.

Comments

[T-100]

MTC is good, of course, but the economy should not be in the background. Better they let us develop our oil fields than the British.

[Katsin1]

The British do not develop the Iranian oil market, work sanctions.

[Starfish]

Iran can and should be friends only on a mutually beneficial basis. it’s better to live in peace with a neighbor. only excessive convergence must be avoided. since in the event of problems, no Iran will come to our aid, but on the contrary, it is quite possible to get involved in Iran’s problems.

[don.kryyuger]

This is so, Iran is the only one left there who can fight back both Israel and America.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: don.kryyuger

Iran is the only one left there who can fight back to Israel,

Iranians can be anything, but not naive idiots. They invited the Air Force GC because air defense is now organizationally included in the Air Force. Israel has repeatedly threatened to destroy the Persian nuclear plants. Only our C-300 complexes can protect them. But for this we need an airspace control system: detection and warning. Otherwise, the story with the Iraqi nuclear center could be repeated. Then the air defense system did not respond in a timely manner. The Torah could not repel that raid. The Israelis imagined themselves supermen. And the wise Persians learned: they dispersed and covered their centrifuges and reactors so that they could not be covered with one blow. Now they are trying to get air defense systems that can repel an Israeli air strike. Only Russia can really help them in this confrontation.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I think that you need to put together a block like Warsaw, but with new players, revive their bases!

[OffenroR]

If the Iranian president was already almost passionately kissing the Armenian, if the Iranians are already calling the Armenians "brotherly" people, it is not difficult to understand what the fuck are they at what impasse the Iranians ... they were clamped on all sides ...

[Su24]

Russia has a strategic task to reach the Indian Ocean, you here "must avoid excessive rapprochement." Why on earth?

Iran is very interested in close cooperation with Russia, and to get closer to us, it is ready to be useful. This is not only economic and military-technical cooperation. This is an application for participation in the new regional security architecture. This application is best illustrated by the statement of Brigadier General Farzad Ismailiya, who showed Viktor Nikolaevich Khatam al-Anbiya air defense base: "The more the defense doctrines of Iran and the Russian Federation come closer, the more stability there will be in the region."

Here you read it and you are fucking crazy. Russia continues to miss such geopolitical chances. So we live, as if forever everything will beg for us. And ours all turn a nose, be careful or I do not know what. It’s a shame for the Power.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Su24

. And ours all turn a nose, be careful or I do not know what. It’s a shame for the Power.

It’s understandable, it's a shame, but to us at the top, there is no agreement, the main math funds are concentrated in a limited circle of people who are separate groups lobbying the interests of transnational industrial, commercial and financial corporations and the interests of these corporations do not lie in the plane of state interests Russia, and so long as the power represented by the president does not create the conditions under which these groups will work for the state or disappear, we will endure resentment for the state, or we will rise.

[OffenroR]

Quote: Su24

Russia has a strategic task to reach the Indian Ocean

And what bald Russia has forgotten in the Indian Ocean?
The strategic task of Russia is to restore those positions that the most powerful state in the world possessed ...Soviet Union positions.

[Simon]

Ours would have to drop all sanctions and trade with Iran, and it would be better to accept in the customs union. Then Iran will rise, and Syria will be easier to fight with bandits.

[Kasym]

I think at first let's define our borders (the Caspian and its stats), give other guarantees of their insolvency. And then you can consider expanded military-technical cooperation and the vehicle. They are still those traders - these for a penny will be squeezed.
And Persian rugs are a cool thing.

[user]

Russia has no friends, but has national interests.
Will we finally ever learn this simple truth

[Siberian German]

it’s all right, but when on time - I’m watching something the Americans are bustling - no matter how late we are again, otherwise ours will swing and there either these or the Chinese

[Pancho]

And what will it give us? I mean ordinary residents of Russia, not Alekperov and other oil riffraffers. You might think our prices will go down.

[ivshubarin]

Iran is a huge market not only for the defense industry

[StolzSS]

And we have to take a big chunk of this market for ourselves. Plus, the Persians can be excellent allies against the snickering monarchies of the bay, that is, our enemies, and enemies should be destroyed preferably with the wrong hands.

[avt]

Quote: StolzSS

Plus, the Persians can be excellent allies against the snickering monarchies of the bay, that is, our enemies,

Well, so joyfully, too, is not necessary, according to the statements of the same ayatollahs, we, after the great American Satan, are on the list under the name of the small one. We need to be calmer and more balanced. Enough of the Khrushchev approach in foreign policy is enough for us.

[vostok1982]

Small Satan - Israel, not Russia at all.

[avt]

Quote: vostok1982

Small Satan - Israel, not Russia at all.

Your memory is short, look for the statements of Khomeini when he came to Iran, well, at the same time try to prove to me that the current religious leadership neglects his covenants.

[cdrt]

Quote: avt

Quote: StolzSS

Plus, the Persians can be excellent allies against the snickering monarchies of the bay, that is, our enemies,

Well, so joyfully, too, is not necessary, according to the statements of the same ayatollahs, we, after the great American Satan, are on the list under the name of the small one. We need to be calmer and more balanced. Enough of the Khrushchev approach in foreign policy is enough for us.

This American-Israeli propaganda (by the way, I deeply respect Israel as a state and, as a rule, support it) about "fanatical ayatols."
Over the past 300 years, how many times has Iran attacked its neighbors?
What did Iran do the same to the USA?
No, of course, remember how the Americans and the Britons threw off their last decent ruler - fanaticism.
In response to his favorite American trick (to block the money of the country if the authorities disagree), take American intelligence and diplomats hostage (by the way, not with the hands of the state, but with the hands of students) and prevent the Americans from carrying out special operations on their land - savagery and fanaticism.
And maybe Israel therefore ended up in the camp of Iran’s enemies because it cannot afford an independent policy, from a personal one from American?
And there is no need to be surprised that Iran supports local national liberation (they are also terrorist) groups (Hezbollah, Hamas) - the enemy of my enemy - my ally

Iran is the MOST safe Muslim neighbor of the Russian Federation - primarily because Russian traditional Sunnis traditionally consider Shiites to be something like heretics. He was not noticed in supporting Islamists in the Russian Federation, and in the world - only Hamas, and even then for purely political reasons.
The policies are extremely pragmatic, sound. True independent of the United States and hostile to the United States and Israel.

[Simon]

All right! And the faster, the better.

[don.kryyuger]

But they will not go anywhere. These monarchies are Sunni, and these Shiites consider them to be heretics. And what did they do with heretics? Christianity survived this in the 15th and 16th centuries, and these people got stuck there, and they cut each other. To the delight of the Jews.

[theadenter]

Americans are probably tearing their hair off because their valuable products are being merged into Russia.

[Simon]

And how many developments were taken to themselves under Yeltsin. I almost drank Russia, drunk.

[theadenter]

The most annoying is that many excellent scientists left us. This is far worse than leaking development.

[OffenroR]

Quote: ivshubarin

Iran is a huge market not only for the defense industry

Do you know the poor state of Iran’s civil aviation today (the blockade from the west has long begun to produce results)? Russia, after rapprochement with Iran, can receive huge orders in the field of civilian air transport, which in turn will give a big impetus to domestic non-military aviation ... Sukhoi Design Bureau in this area will finally wake up from hibernation.

[loki565]

Only the Chinese analogue of the S300 does not need to be bought, otherwise their rocket may change its mind and return back))))

[killganoff]

Enchanting! The Chinese have always been able to do firecrackers !!!

[nik6006]

Handsomely!!!!
This is probably the latest anti-aircraft maneuver with a superalgorithm.

[shtabs]

the algorithm is called Corkscrew ..

[Simon]

And that they fueled rockets with smoke powder.?

[theadenter]

Good scarecrow.

[Prishtina]

if you look closely at the tractor_ it hurts to BAZ from 400 matches ??!
Damn develop doubts_ ?? who is the thread?

in here is a Chinese copy

[illarion]

I do not understand, is it a S-300 or a Chinese counterpart?

[surveyor]

there are the remains of the phobos soil program ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

It should be said here that supplying Iran with its high-tech weapons is beneficial not only for economic reasons, but also for security reasons. Iran will always be our neighbor.
Even in World War II, deliveries went through Iran to the USSR (and the most basic ones). We will make friends with Iran The Middle East will be with us! Israel for me ... let’s take the situation is stabilizing .. I think so!

[donavi49]

In fact, Persia was against supplies, and then the British occupied the south, and the USSR the north. and the armies stood there until 46.

And most importantly, it will be strong to make friends with the Middle East through Iran. Shiites other movements are very, very, very fond of. Especially Sunnis, and Middle Eastern countries like Qatar, Kuwait, SA, Oman, Jordan.

For Iran, perhaps Lebanon and Syria + Iraq, but everything is shaky there.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: donavi49

For Iran, perhaps Lebanon and Syria + Iraq, but everything is shaky there.

So it needs to be strengthened. The Middle East is a major oil artery, and here you must definitely keep abreast. Moreover, while we ourselves are sitting on an oil needle.

[alone]

Quote: donavi49

For Iran, perhaps Lebanon and Syria + Iraq, but everything is shaky there.

for Iran is not Lebanon, but Hezbollah.

[cdrt]

Quote: donavi49

In fact, Persia was against supplies, and then the British occupied the south, and the USSR the north. and the armies stood there until 46.

And most importantly, it will be strong to make friends with the Middle East through Iran. Shiites other movements are very, very, very fond of. Especially Sunnis, and Middle Eastern countries like Qatar, Kuwait, SA, Oman, Jordan.

For Iran, perhaps Lebanon and Syria + Iraq, but everything is shaky there.

In fact, the Shiites hate the Sunnis. Iran has only Syria and Shiite Hezbollah as its allies.
But in Syria, the regime is based on an absolute minority: Alawites, Christians, Shiites. Those. the mode is very unstable.
Another question is that the Islamist Sunni states are now enemies of the Russian Federation, because provide either active or passive support to our Islamists.

[alone]

)) Do you think Shiites are delighted with the Sunnis? Mutual hatred. In addition, there are national disputes among Shiites. Persian never considers the Arab to be equal to himself, and the Arab generally does not consider the Persian to be a person. and as for the Shiites, I’ll tell you like this. Iran should not be considered an ally. they need you now. Iran’s supreme leader Khomeini believed that there are 2 big and 1 small powers of Satan in the world. Everyone understands the baby. But two big ones are mattresses and the USSR (consider Russia). So nothing is clear with Iran.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: lonely

I’ll tell you like that. Iran should not be considered an ally. they need you now

We considered you to be allies, but it turned out that while we were needed and allowed to commit atrocities in our own land, and now you are just fucked up and you are nobody to us, and everything is clear with you, so with the Persians, soon everything will be clear, and your interest in this matter is even more clear.

[OffenroR]

Quote: cherkas.oe

and now you are just p-o-d-p-and-n-dosniks and to us you are nobody

You just spat on the 300000 dead Azerbaijanis who died in the Great Patriotic War defending Slavic lands, your people ... you spat on those who wore themselves out in the oil fields in order to save our people from destruction by our labor .... we were for you what it’s more than allies ... And now you see in my people only traders, murderers and scum ... I am very sorry that a considerable part of the Russians have become so ...

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: OffenroR

And now you see in my people only traders, murderers and scum ... I am very sorry that a considerable part of the Russians have become so ...

I know that the whole nation cannot be traders, hijackers, swindlers, murderers, etc. but the concentration of those on the number of your brother who has flooded Russia is prohibitive and has probably equaled the number of people killed in the war for a common state (I don’t speak for that reason I know that many of your fellow tribesmen did not consider the USSR their homeland at that time, I heard it from their lips and saw it), so it’s probably time to return them to Azerbaijan and thereby prove that you are allies, not banal parasites that suck money and are atrocious on a foreign land.

[Don]

Quote: lonely

Do you think Shiites are delighted with the Sunnis? Mutual hatred. In addition, there are national strife among Shiites

Not always. Here are Azerbaijan Shiites, and Turkey Sunnis, Persians Shiites, and Pakistan Sunnis. Here it seems more between the Persians and Arabs, although Shiite Arabs in southern Iraq and the Persians in normal relations.

[shasherin_pavel]

I myself recently learned about the "Iranian Throw" was surprised that such an operation after the war was studied in schools as one of the most successful operations of the V.O.V., and after all, at that time Iran was overflowing with Nazi specialists and spies, suffice it to recall the film "Tehran 43" is a fictional film, but the atmosphere of that time is well conveyed. Fortunately for both countries, offenses did not spoil relations between the countries, a special positive was that when we betrayed Iranian relations, they did not turn away from us now. Perhaps the parallels can be found in Romania, where, after the arrival of NATO, the graves of Soviet soldiers are looked after as if they were their own. After the arrival of NATO, the realization came that "Soviet occupation" is friendship, and NATO friendship is more like an occupation. And at the expense of Israel ... it's time to stop living communist politics and take a closer look at the territory of Israel, from which the Israelis created the garden, because first of all they wanted to live not in Mr., but in the garden, and the territory of their neighbors, who also want to live in their garden, because they themselves do not want to work, according to the well-known Arab principle "nothing should be done today if it can be done tomorrow." We need to reconsider our views, if only because Israel is 40 percent Soviet.

[VADIMKRSK]

Are the Syrians lazy? They are not hasty and thorough. Not spoiled by freebies from oil dummies.

[OffenroR]

There were quite a few Syrians in Baku in Soviet times ... they came to study ... it was difficult to call them idlers and idiots. Vietnamese were idlers and clubs (who were invited to the USSR for the same purpose as the Syrians) ... and other rabble from their places ...

[cdrt]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

I myself recently learned about the "Iranian Throw" was surprised that such an operation after the war was studied in schools as one of the most successful operations of the V.O.V., and after all, at that time Iran was overflowing with Nazi specialists and spies, suffice it to recall the film "Tehran 43" is a fictional film, but the atmosphere of that time is well conveyed. Fortunately for both countries, offenses did not spoil relations between the countries, a special positive was that when we betrayed Iranian relations, they did not turn away from us now. Perhaps the parallels can be found in Romania, where, after the arrival of NATO, the graves of Soviet soldiers are looked after as if they were their own. After the arrival of NATO, the realization came that "Soviet occupation" is friendship, and NATO friendship is more like an occupation. And at the expense of Israel ... it's time to stop living communist politics and take a closer look at the territory of Israel, from which the Israelis created the garden, because first of all they wanted to live not in Mr., but in the garden, and the territory of their neighbors, who also want to live in their garden, because they themselves do not want to work, according to the well-known Arab principle "nothing should be done today if it can be done tomorrow." We need to reconsider our views, if only because Israel is 40 percent Soviet.

Well, about German experts and spies as the reason for the occupation - just propaganda. So one could justify the capture of Sweden
There was a semi-colony of Britain - Persia. The Persians justly did not like it. The Germans simply supported anti-British forces there.
About Romania - well ... our graves are also looked after in Germany, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Serbia.
It is not a matter of friendship - they are now actually calmer with NATO than with us (you can compare the level of defense spending then and now).
I suppose that caring for the graves is just a sign of folk wisdom

[OffenroR]

Quote: cdrt

just a sign of folk wisdom

This does not apply to most Romanians ...

[cdrt]

Quote: MIKHAN

[ b] It should be said here that supplying Iran with its high-tech weapons is beneficial to us not only for economic reasons, but also for security reasons. Iran will always be our neighbor. [/ B]
Even in World War II, deliveries went through Iran to the USSR (and the most basic ones). We will make friends with Iran The Middle East will be with us! Israel for me ... let’s take the situation is stabilizing .. I think so!

It would be out of place a little about the supply of Lend-Lease through Iran
1. Iran was occupied by the USSR and Britain
2. Supplies were American
3. It seems like nobody asked Iranians - they just occupied and established an occupation administration

In fact, Iranian revolutionaries opposed such facts of blatant occupation in 1979. Although they were under Shiite slogans.
And do not confuse anti-communism with an anti-Russian position.
Khomeini considered communism an enemy, nothing more

[Revolver]

But even if any complications happen, our missiles that are in the arsenal of another state will never fly into us. And by selling our weapons, we indirectly provide for this and our safety.

Oh, is it? Did the Chinese use their own developments in Damansky? (a hint: they don't have a lot of their own developments even now.) In 2008 Georgians fired at the peacekeepers with "hail" and shot down TU-22M "Buks" also not of American production. So, as if the supplies to Iran did not go sideways. There is no ideological community with them, as the USSR had with the Warsaw Pact countries, no ethnic, like with Belarusians, or even historical. Now they are on their way with Russia, but they were, are, and will be Islamists, and Russians are infidels for them. To use some infidels against others (in particular, Russians against the Americans, and if necessary, then vice versa) - this corresponds to Islam, and making friends with infidels is against Islam. This is what the Qur'an says:

3 (28). Believers may not be friends with unbelievers besides believers. And if someone is friends with unbelievers, then he will not deserve any reward from Allah, except when you are in danger from them.

[donavi49]

Well, after all, you yourself are pumping the same CA with weapons against Iran. And there Sharia with the chopping off of their heads, the School with burned girls, which was surrounded by the religious police and forbidden to extinguish and save, as the girls "Were inappropriately dressed to meet strangers."

Now, CAs are starting to abandon the Strategic Partnership with the United States. What tomorrow? They will not be able to democratize; they themselves have pumped up modern weapons against Iran.

[Revolver]

Quote: donavi49

Right now, CAs are starting to abandon the Strategic Partnership with the United States. What tomorrow?

But America does not need to share the Caspian Sea with the Saudis, while Russia and Iran have unresolved issues there. And the Saudi dynasty has a huge need for America for at least 2m reasons:
firstly, without American support, the Saudi regime will collapse, and very soon.
secondly, where are the surviving members of the ruling dynasty to go if they are thrown off? In Europe, the hour is uneven, you can get under the Hague tribunal, and the capital can be arrested. And in "fraternal" Arab countries, you can lose your head.
So the Saudis are unlikely to turn American weapons against America. And again, even though they themselves are Wahhabis, they are actively persecuting all Islamists who are not members of the ruling dynasty or its servants. For them, competition with the Saudi dynasty, even in Wahhabism, is not allowed.

[illarion]

And why the hell are the former Saudis needed by the Americans? They will take the money, and then everyone will die as a result of an unsuccessful medical operation. Remember the Shah of Iran.

[Bear52]

Revolver
But America does not need to share the Caspian Sea with the Saudis, while Russia and Iran have unresolved issues there. Enlighten, please, what kind of questions do Russia have for Iran in the Caspian. I naively thought that Azerbaijan was the Caspian neighbor of Iran
and Turkmenistan Russia is not very responsible yet ...?

[cdrt]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: donavi49

Right now, CAs are starting to abandon the Strategic Partnership with the United States. What tomorrow?

But America does not need to share the Caspian Sea with the Saudis, while Russia and Iran have unresolved issues there. And the Saudi dynasty has a huge need for America for at least 2m reasons:
firstly, without American support, the Saudi regime will collapse, and very soon.
secondly, where are the surviving members of the ruling dynasty to go if they are thrown off? In Europe, the hour is uneven, you can get under the Hague tribunal, and the capital can be arrested. And in "fraternal" Arab countries, you can lose your head.
So the Saudis are unlikely to turn American weapons against America. And again, even though they themselves are Wahhabis, they are actively persecuting all Islamists who are not members of the ruling dynasty or its servants. For them, competition with the Saudi dynasty, even in Wahhabism, is not allowed.

I myself lived in the United States, because I know how propaganda is brainwashing (we have the propaganda machine after the Cold War losing, it actually broke up (current Putin’s attempts are nothing more than repeating history as a farce), but in the United States it never was dismantled - Fox the confirmation)
1. What makes you think that the Saudis will fall without US support? Not created by them, not held by them
2. The fact that the Saudis used the United States to spread Wahhabi Islamism is a fact, as well as the fact that the United States helped bring down the economy of the USSR
3. Do not exaggerate the scale of the problems in the Caspian between the Russian Federation and Iran. Thank God there are no common borders
4. Today, the Saudis need the United States. Actually, it is with their hands that the United States can control oil prices. The true ratio of the Saudis to the United States - 9/11
5. Pro-Saudi corruption of large officials and the US military is a fact (that is, a search tower is not corruption, but lobbyism). No other national interests can explain the fact that the United States will seek to kill the same person in Yemen, and will arm and train in Syria

[Revolver]

Quote: cdrt

4. Today, the Saudis need the United States. Actually, it is with their hands that the United States can control oil prices.

And how good were drivenif the price of gas, which was around $ 1.50 per gallon in the early days of Obama’s reign, is now surging at $ 3.50, in places (New York City, California), and at times for $ 4.00. I don’t know exactly how much diesel (I do not have and did not have diesel cars), but more expensive than gasoline. This is when the economy strainedly gives out a couple of percent of growth instead of 5% necessary to dissolve unemployment. The overestimated price of fuel is equivalent to a rather large surcharge tax on the whole economy, and taxes are just what the economy is stifling. Yes, of course, the price of fuel includes the cost of distillation, transportation, and taxes (well, where without them), but the main component is the price of crude oil.

[cdrt]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: cdrt

4. Today, the Saudis need the United States. Actually, it is with their hands that the United States can control oil prices.

And how good were drivenif the price of gas, which was around $ 1.50 per gallon in the early days of Obama’s reign, is now surging at $ 3.50, in places (New York City, California), and at times for $ 4.00. I don’t know exactly how much diesel (I do not have and did not have diesel cars), but more expensive than gasoline. This is when the economy strainedly gives out a couple of percent of growth instead of 5% necessary to dissolve unemployment. The overestimated price of fuel is equivalent to a rather large surcharge tax on the whole economy, and taxes are just what the economy is stifling. Yes, of course, the price of fuel includes the cost of distillation, transportation, and taxes (well, where without them), but the main component is the price of crude oil.

Hmm ... so it’s clear that most of the cash injected by the United States as part of the mitigation goes to speculation in the oil market, where it blew a good bubble (not local, long-term).
Well ... after all, you have to pay someone for the development of alternative energy and shale oil production
After all, oil corporations need to ensure the profitability of a very expensive shale and sand (Canadian) oil production

Get used to it, good gasoline in Russia (95 true) 34 rubles per liter
While the median income is below the state

[SV]

being friends with America is MUCH more dangerous than being in a state of non-critical confrontation with it (in the 90s they tried to be friends). as for Iran, it is a much more reliable ally than some of Russia's modern "friends". at least their policy on the world stage is quite consistent and predictable, unlike some of our "partners". it is significant that even under the sanctions they did not surrender their allies, unlike the most "democratic country in the world." Of course, you shouldn't idealize them, but it is necessary to conduct a mutually beneficial partnership, especially if both hands are stretched out to you (without hiding one behind your back with a stone).

[faraon]

but they keep the stone in the bosom.

[OffenroR]

Quote: Nagan

firstly, without American support, the Saudi regime will collapse, and very soon.

And what kind of regime will come after that? Democracy? Yes, the Muslims who make the pilgrimage every year will tear these "democrats" with their bare hands.

[alone]

Quote: donavi49

The same thing happens in Iran. Do not think that in Iran, wolves graze peacefully with rams.

[shasherin_pavel]

The commentary was written from resentment towards Afghanistan, where now, after the arrival of the striated, the Afghans themselves ask themselves: and what did we fight with the Russians, they built us and shared products, and the Americans only know how to bomb? It is noteworthy that when the commander of our battalion arrived at the place of his deployment, the old men approached him with a request that they need to build such-and-such and such-and-such. So much in the mind that the Russians will build everything for them. And do not think that Islam is a religion of war around the world, you can give an example of a huge number of countries professing Islam and not killing for another profession. And you can recall the Christian wars against Christians, and the Crusades against Islamists.

[Revolver]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

The commentary was written from resentment towards Afghanistan, where now, after the arrival of the striated, the Afghans themselves ask themselves: and what did we fight with the Russians, they built us and shared products, and the Americans only know how to bomb?

America made at least 2 mistakes in Afghanistan.
1. Supported the Dushmans against the USSR in the 1980s. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend. In general, to put it mildly, they created hemorrhoids for themselves.
2. They tried to build democracy for them after 2001. From the very beginning it seemed to me that America’s chances to build Western-style democracy were no higher than the USSR’s chances to build socialism there. But Bush did not ask me for advice.

[smsk]

2. They tried to build democracy after 2001.

C'mon, what kind of democracy? I think they fulfilled their goal by repeatedly increasing drug production in Afghanistan. Plus, possible destabilization in neighboring countries after the withdrawal of their troops in 2014.

[illarion]

Oh, I don’t believe the "simple" old people, who naively think that the Russians are still in Afghanistan. And they will build something there.

[illarion]

it’s not necessary to make such wise men out of them. Ordinary people living in 1453.

[alone]

Quote: Nagan

3 (28). Believers may not be friends with unbelievers besides believers. And if someone is friends with unbelievers, then he will not deserve any reward from Allah, except when you are in danger from them.

this sura is exactly like the Wahhabis interpret you.

the word "unbelievers" means those who do not believe in one God. And as we know, Christians and Jews do not fall into this category. since they also profess monotheism.

[Guilty]

I support. Prophet Muhammad bequeathed to his disciples,
so that they never go against the Christians, because they saved him, I don’t remember anyone from whom. From some pagans worshiping fire and stone, in the course of some Circassian tribes. From there everything went. Friendship must be with believers, and not with idolaters.

[artemiy]

Iran and Syria in the vehicle!

[alone]

I don’t know that the TS is a military-political unification. And it seems like only the economy is driving there

[Daler]

What is wrong with Iran? Azerbaijanis will not see them .. why?
* based on your posts *

[eldar2116]

Aliyev hopes to chop off a piece of Iran with Iranian Azerbaijanis when his NATO bomb. So they work in RuNet demonizing Iran.

[Owl]

In the presence of a common powerful enemy, which is the United States, Britain and France (currently blindly following the Americans), rational rapprochement, assistance in economic development (without transferring the fundamental important scientific and defense industry technologies) are simply necessary, while destroying another two (Syria, Iran) states politically and politically independent from the United States, the Middle East to move away from Russia, and then within ten (tens) years it will be necessary to restore Russia's worthy position in this part of the world.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Eagle Owl

upon the destruction of one or two (Syria, Iran) states politically and politically independent from the USA, the Middle East will move away from Russia

This is not so bad. The trouble will be if Syria falls, and the Saudis with the Qatari will lay a product pipeline to Europe. Then about gas prices, the filling of the state budget, the impact on the old woman Europe can be forgotten for a long time. As well as the rearmament, modernization and diversification of production, support for social programs.
Iran together with us holds the front of the struggle for Syria, that is, for our interests. Therefore, we will give the Persians what they ask, namely, the latest air defense systems that can repel a sudden strike by Israeli aircraft at their nuclear facilities.

[fisherman]

The news is certainly positive, but Iranian politicians are very cunning and it is important not to forget about it.

[ivshubarin]

And ours are so naive

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Under the Soviet Union, it’s like "we want to build socialism" and went babos and deliveries .. Now is a different time .. The East is a delicate matter! But they always respect the Force .. we showed strength in the Syrian crisis! (Morally, Obama was lowered ..)))) They wanted to be friends with us right away .. Everything is predictable ..!

[Katsin1]

You didn’t let anyone down ... He dropped himself in 5 years. The weakest and most unfortunate president of the United States since Jimmy Carter ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, of course ... the USSR pulled ALL Carters ... Because we were a powerful country (the discoverers of the Cosmos, etc., and we studied half the world ..) And in the situation with Syria, Russia "bluffed" went to Va-Bank .. and we won! (even the Cuban Missile Crisis cannot be compared to a chess game ... the game was excellent!) But further it will be more difficult ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

What is the minus? That Israel missed during the USSR .. alas))) Now they are working in this direction ..

[ivshubarin]

There is God in the world, to us Obama hunchbacked them for balance

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Obama is a show of tolerance .. Next (if the US survives .. will be a racist) and Russophobe ..! But we will not allow this ..

[cdrt]

Quote: Katsin1

You didn’t let anyone down ... He dropped himself in 5 years. The weakest and most unfortunate president of the United States since Jimmy Carter ...

But the medical system is at least a little similar to the human one.
True, at the expense of 60% of taxpayers ...

[Revolver]

Quote: cdrt

But the medical system is at least a little similar to the human one.
True, at the expense of 60% of taxpayers ...

So much intelligence is not needed for this - even Sharikov suggested "take away and divide". But in arithmetic there are not 2 actions, but 4, only the Sharikovs and Obamas are not those who understand how to add and multiply. They only want to take away from those who understand and share among their own.

[cdrt]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: cdrt

But the medical system is at least a little similar to the human one.
True, at the expense of 60% of taxpayers ...

So much intelligence is not needed for this - even Sharikov suggested "take away and divide". But in arithmetic there are not 2 actions, but 4, only the Sharikovs and Obamas are not those who understand how to add and multiply. They only want to take away from those who understand and share among their own.

On the other hand, what about the Jenny index in the USA over the past 30 years?
And when was it calmer to live in the country? In 1950-1960 with a smaller stratification, or now with a lot more?
And how do polls make people feel much happier than in the USA, Italy, Canada, Australia, where there is a lot more redistribution of income ...
Another question is that they did not introduce taxes on the rich, EMNIP did not even cancel tax privileges for the rich

[eldar2116]

it's silly to look at the affairs of the last prezik. The previous prez was good too. And economic degradation is already a clear inheritance of the last 3 preziks

[svp67]

It should be said here that supplying Iran with its high-tech weapons is beneficial not only for economic reasons, but also for security reasons.

It is very necessary here carefully, without excessive fanaticism, in the love of money ...

Iran will always be our neighbor.

here it is of course very difficult to argue with this fact, although, unfortunately, there are options ...

And it is desirable that he always be a good and stable neighbor.

Who will object to this, but unfortunately, not everything here depends on us ...

But even if any complications happen, our missiles that are in the arsenal of another state will never fly into us.

Here "my grandmother said for two ...", and if our missiles are not really ours, for example, they will be launched without our consent, as China does, then how?

And by selling our weapons, we indirectly provide for this and our safety.

And here it is necessary to act reasonably and in moderation, always, first of all, "at the forefront" put the security of our country, which can be ensured not only by a quantitative, but also, most importantly, a QUALITATIVE factor. We must always be stronger than our neighbors ...

[Katsin1]

Truth, the truth is spoken. Therefore, Russia does not need a nuclear Shiite Iran with intercontinental missiles ... Sometimes the interests of America and Russia coincide ...

[cdrt]

Quote: Katsin1

Truth, the truth is spoken. Therefore, Russia does not need a nuclear Shiite Iran with intercontinental missiles ... Sometimes the interests of America and Russia coincide ...

Coincide insofar as ...
Yes, nuclear Iran is not very happy with Russia, but in general it does not threaten us.
But the Middle East, split according to the American plan, where US-sponsored "freedom fighters" of the Wahhabi type, Iran, friendly to the USA (and therefore hostile to the Russian Federation), will be based, well, much less is needed.
Of these two evils, nuclear Iran is the smallest IMHO, but the Russian leadership seems to have a similar opinion

[the polar]

"we were ready to buy outdated Israeli UAVs, since we did not have access to more advanced technologies"
----------------------------------------
The author writes nonsense. All the technologies for the production of UAVs in Russia are. They buy from Israel only because the Jewish lobby has sucked its tentacles to the government and the State Duma and the Moscow Region and the Central Bank

[Katsin1]

And so Russia is putting pressure on Israel, trying to force drones to sell technology, and Israel is pushing hard in every way?

[ultra]

Quote: Katsin1

And so Russia puts pressure on Israel,

Do you work in the Israeli Defense Ministry?

[Selevc]

I think that Russia will only benefit from rapprochement with Iran ... You need to take advantage of the current situation ... Iran, both in the time of the Shah and in the days of Khomeini, was not very friendly with Russia ... And now the situation has changed dramatically - the West makes a clear strategic miss by aggravating relations with Iran, and Russia could get interesting benefits from this, namely:
1. Firstly, to strengthen its influence in the Gulf countries and thereby gain access to this Achilles heel of the West ...
2. Secondly, to create in the future the oil consortium Russia, Iran, Syria (possibly Azerbaijan and Iraq) - which will be a clear counterweight to the monarchies of the Arabian Peninsula ... And thereby more and more influence global oil prices ...
3. Thirdly, together with Iran, act as guarantors of peace in the region and prevent future attempts by the Anglo-Saxons to destabilize the region ...
4. Fourth, to actively develop economic ties with the Islamic Republic, which will become an example for neighboring countries and will only bring benefits to both Russia and Iran ...
5. Fifth, create alternative economic ties with the EU to the south and the future to speak more independently with Europe ...
It seems to me that if Russia now abandons its chance to draw closer to Iran, then China will do it for you and only benefit from it ...

[Katsin1]

Cherishing the dreams of arming Iran against America and Israel that you hate so much, you need to remember this: from the time of the unkind memory of Ayatollah Khomeini, the official concept of Iran has been the concept of 3 satans: 2 large and one small. Little Satan you know who, and big ones - the USA and the USSR (yes, the Iranophiles on the site, do not be surprised, double-check me). Since then, nothing has changed, just no way out and you have to buy reactors and rockets from Satan. But when the time comes (and thanks to my country it does not come) Iran’s nuclear missiles will be directed and launched on all 3 Satans. So think ...

[Alekseev]

This husband of Israel is in many ways right.
And then some "phyla" are already ready, having forgotten history, some dark-skinned in this place and kiss.
In addition to awesome debts and treason, many of them are of little use.
We need a sober and extremely pragmatic policy in the Middle East, without fraternization and kissing.

[cdrt]

Quote: Alekseev

This husband of Israel is in many ways right.
And then some "phyla" are already ready, having forgotten history, some dark-skinned in this place and kiss.
In addition to awesome debts and treason, many of them are of little use.
We need a sober and extremely pragmatic policy in the Middle East, without fraternization and kissing.

And what does the history of the interaction of Iran and Russia tell us?
That we won a lot of land from them? All. In most cases, the attacker was Russia.
Iran was much more often an ally of Russia against Turkey than an enemy

[alone]

Quote: Katsin1

oil dreams of arming Iran against America and Israel that you hate so much, you need to remember this: from the time of the unkind memory of Ayatollah Khomeini, the official concept of Iran has been the concept of 3 satans: 2 large and one small. Little Satan you know who, and big ones - the USA and the USSR (yes, the Iranophiles on the site, do not be surprised, double-check me).

this is an undeniable fact. you are absolutely right. I confirm

[cdrt]

Quote: Katsin1

Cherishing the dreams of arming Iran against America and Israel that you hate so much, you need to remember this: from the time of the unkind memory of Ayatollah Khomeini, the official concept of Iran has been the concept of 3 satans: 2 large and one small. Little Satan you know who, and big ones - the USA and the USSR (yes, the Iranophiles on the site, do not be surprised, double-check me). Since then, nothing has changed, just no way out and you have to buy reactors and rockets from Satan. But when the time comes (and thanks to my country it does not come) Iran’s nuclear missiles will be directed and launched on all 3 Satans. So think ...

Do not distort.
The second Satan was the USSR, and precisely because of the communist ideology.
Now in Russia, if there is an ideology, then comprador nationalism.
The second Satan Khomeini is dead.

[Daler]

Quote: Katsin1

Cherishing the dreams of arming Iran against America and Israel that you hate so much, you need to remember this: from the time of the unkind memory of Ayatollah Khomeini, the official concept of Iran has been the concept of 3 satans: 2 large and one small. Little Satan you know who, and big ones - the USA and the USSR (yes, the Iranophiles on the site, do not be surprised, double-check me). Since then, nothing has changed, just no way out and you have to buy reactors and rockets from Satan. But when the time comes (and thanks to my country it does not come) Iran’s nuclear missiles will be directed and launched on all 3 Satans. So think ...

Do not forget that the USSR is not the Russian Federation. Then in the USSR, people were generally atheists and communists. Now is not the time. But your Torah, as it was said that the Jews are elected, it is still said that you are selected Jews. Although an honest word is not visible at all, this selectivity. Unless you were elected so that you would torment the rest of the world, in this your selectivity is manifested very well.

[Don]

Quote: Katsin1

Nothing has changed since then

Quote: Katsin1

But when the time comes

Quote: Katsin1

Iran's nuclear missiles will be directed and launched on all 3 Satans

I wonder if you really believe that? Well, nobody will launch anything anywhere. Well, even if you figure it out. They will launch several missiles in three directions. A retaliatory strike will not leave stone unturned from Iran. Do you think the Persians are completely headless ?!
Let’s tie up to push these speeches to Natanyahu for a little smart people who are poorly versed in the geopolitical situation in the world. All these speeches are designed to intimidate the American and Israeli inhabitants. Everything is simple. Israel needs an external enemy, and the US needs a vassal, not a state pursuing an independent foreign policy. About Ayatollah. If the former pushed such speeches, the latter clearly changed priorities in foreign policy. Now it is clear that Iran realized that it alone could not cope. That is why it is approaching Russia, China, and India. Established relations with neighbors Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey. Politics by politics, and economics by economics. And about your country's desire to strike. Will it work for you or not, I can’t say for sure. But speaking at the UN, your prime minister spoke a year ago about the red line, that Iran would have nuclear weapons, but still have not been hit. If you logically think it’s clear why. Attacking Iran is not the same as bombing Lebanon or the Gaza Strip. The distance is greater, you can not do without refueling. Iran has an air force, albeit not very strong, but there are F-14s and MiG-29s that, with the assistance of, albeit not the most modern air defense, can repel the attack in principle. In addition, Iran itself can respond with a missile strike on Israeli territory. You do not have a bad missile defense system, but it is more aimed at shooting down Kasemov, handicraft production, and not at shooting down Shahab-z or Sajil. Therefore, Israel is waiting for US support, because I’m not sure that he will be able to independently destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities without suffering heavy losses.

[eldar2116]

But I remember how the Jews armed the Georgians in the war against Russia. Why are you better than Iran?

[Bober]

I was in Iran about 6-7 years ago. Tehran is a calm city. Iranians are friendly people. As for the attitude towards Jews, I can say that there are several synagogues in Tehran. A representative of the Jewish minority residing in Iran is sitting in the Iranian parliament. True, in connection with the modern politics of Israel, the Jews leave Iran, for they are afraid of answers, but this has been going on for many years. He also visited Iranian Kurdistan. Kurds also left a good impression. Even more friendly. The impression was that if you became their man, then this is forever. Because of alcohol, they drove a man to me for Iraq, so that I could pull a little before dinner, because as I said, my religion approves of this The comrade exchanged something from the amers for what was needed and brought. True, I did not find out about this right away. When I found out, I stopped this business, because the price of crossing the border with alcohol is life. Once I mentioned that I like to drink black tea in the evening and like sweets. The next day, in the house where I lived, the cupboard was bursting with chocolate and cookies. After these two events, I began to filter my words, because they are gullible as children. Always had to say, they say this is a joke. No one should do anything. I was just joking.
I will not say anything with a pile of gifts I returned home.

[Selevc]

Come on, these children’s horror stories - Satan, the end of the world, an armogedets ... A nuclear armourer already existed and set it up just a beacon of US world freedom and democracy in 1945 ... And twice ...
Iran in the near foreseeable future will not pose any serious threat to the Russian Federation - firstly, there is no joint border except the maritime, secondly, the Iranian armed forces are much weaker than the Russian ... And thirdly, even if we assume that nuclear weapons appear in Iran and there is a madman who will launch it in the Russian Federation, as they say, the return tortures ... And the next day the idiot is torn to pieces by the crowd of his own furious fellow citizens ...

And do not write that Iran is a religious fanatics - Jews themselves are religious fanatics only fanatics in another religion ... And whose God is more important, please understand yourself - personally with Iran :))))))))

[Katsin1]

If you win a nuclear war with Iran, then I don't think that anyone needs such victories. Stalin was already friends with Hitler against the "rotten West". Everyone knows how it ended ... Learn history lessons. We do not offer friendship to Russia. Russia has never been our ally and never will be. But mutually beneficial cooperation is quite possible and necessary

[ivshubarin]

Hitler nurtured west for reprisal with the USSR. And Israel owes its appearance to Stalin.

[Bober]

Stalin was forced to be friends because of the severe need for the framework of which the west drove him, well, the one that is a little west of Gremania. If I hadn’t made friends then at least a little, I don’t think that today we wouldn’t have pressed buttons with Russian letters. And this ended at first with a surprise for the westernmost West, when Hitler went the wrong way, and again ended with another surprise, for the same West, with the capture of Berlin. We were also knocked down, but on points anyway 2: 1 in our favor.

[cdrt]

Quote: Katsin1

If you win a nuclear war with Iran, then I don't think that anyone needs such victories. Stalin was already friends with Hitler against the "rotten West". Everyone knows how it ended ... Learn history lessons. We do not offer friendship to Russia. Russia has never been our ally and never will be. But mutually beneficial cooperation is quite possible and necessary

And today, with Iran, we have no intersection of interests, and for a long time, by the way, it was not. So 150 years for sure. And there are no common borders.
Russia really benefits from the fact that Iran was imposed oil and gas sanctions (so oil and gas prices are higher), but this is hardly a reason for war - we were not the ones who pioneered sanctions

[JonnyT]

Stalin was already friends with Hitler against the "rotten West

With those who collected loans from American Jews and carried out the will of the Anglo-Saxons, Stalin tried to pursue a containment policy. Hitler is a great friend of Western leaders, well, he would have helped to make so much money, a very profitable business project .....

[eldar2116]

Everything is clear with you. It remains only to write that Hitler attacked the USSR in order to defend himself.

[regdan]

And the citizens of Israel and lovers of Israeli citizens pondered the topic and began to babble about the impossibility of an alliance between Russia and Iran. Israeli citizens and lovers of Israeli citizens the worse the union of Russia and Iran, the union of Russia and Israel?

[cdrt]

Quote: regdan

And the citizens of Israel and lovers of Israeli citizens pondered the topic and began to babble about the impossibility of an alliance between Russia and Iran. Israeli citizens and lovers of Israeli citizens the worse the union of Russia and Iran, the union of Russia and Israel?

More correctly, not so - why is the alliance with Iran so worse for Russia than the alliance of Russia with Israel?
Moreover, Israel is an ally of the United States - a political opponent of Russia

[eldar2116]

Azeris and Jews have their own interest in weakening Iran. And the support of Iran by Russia they breaks all plans)) What can I think

[mr_Doom]

Quote: regdan

And the citizens of Israel and lovers of Israeli citizens pondered the topic and began to babble about the impossibility of an alliance between Russia and Iran. Israeli citizens and lovers of Israeli citizens the worse the union of Russia and Iran, the union of Russia and Israel?

Maybe because Israel is a secular state, and Iran is a religious state, and yes, it still supports the terrorists?

[regdan]

Is it that secular state of Israel ??? Well, I don’t think Israel is a secular state. The fascist, religious, illegitimate state of Israel.

[cdrt]

Quote: regdan

Is it that secular state of Israel ??? Well, I don’t think Israel is a secular state. The fascist, religious, illegitimate state of Israel.

Hmm ...
Here are the questions:
1. How can a social democratic state be a fascist? Pronounced parliamentary democracy. In which there is not a single fascist party in power?
2. The State of Israel was formed by a decision of the United Nations, with most countries voted in favor of - in fact, this is the source of international law. So why not a legally educated one?
Maybe someone doesn’t like that it was, but these emotions do not change anything in history

[catapractic]

Well, he wants it, that's all

[cdrt]

Quote: mr_Doom

Quote: regdan

And the citizens of Israel and lovers of Israeli citizens pondered the topic and began to babble about the impossibility of an alliance between Russia and Iran. Israeli citizens and lovers of Israeli citizens the worse the union of Russia and Iran, the union of Russia and Israel?

Maybe because Israel is a secular state, and Iran is a religious state, and yes, it still supports the terrorists?

Well, after all, you can answer this way:
1. Iran is religious, but this religion is not actually represented in the Russian Federation, therefore we are dr. in this sense are indifferent
2. The Russian Federation does not consider Hamas and Hezbollah as EMNIP terrorist organizations, just as the same Britons consider Zakayev a freedom fighter

[eldar2116]

Israel is a fascist state that considers itself entitled to decide who to live and who to bomb. When secular Jews open up an arsenal of nuclear weapons for mate, then we will talk about secularism. Let them learn to comply with international law

[Migari]

Iran is Russia’s closest neighbor, and there’s nothing wrong with having a good neighbor, of course, we need to cooperate both in the military and in the economic sphere, and in the political sphere, we have a lot of common goals and objectives with Iran, one of them is Syria. But you need to act carefully, wisely, the radicals act there too.

[mr_Doom]

Quote: regdan

Is it that secular state of Israel ??? Well, I don’t think Israel is a secular state. The fascist, religious, illegitimate state of Israel.

Maybe religious, but to a lesser extent than Iran. Illegally educated - UN Security Council approved.

[Starfish]

UN Security Council approved.

in what boundaries? since the state was formed quite artificially, so to speak according to a UN resolution, then this organization should be respected. The UN then calls on Israel to return to the old borders and return the occupied lands to the Palestinians.

[cdrt]

Quote: Starfish

UN Security Council approved.

in what boundaries? since the state was formed quite artificially, so to speak according to a UN resolution, then this organization should be respected. The UN then calls on Israel to return to the old borders and return the occupied lands to the Palestinians.

Would you know how these boundaries have changed.
Who attacked there first in 1948, from whom (which countries) the land was taken in 1967 ... (taken from Egypt and Jordan, who took it from the Palestinians)
The UN also called on Palestinians to recognize Israel’s right to exist - recognized?
The UN also urged them to stop the terrorist attacks of the Israeli civilian population - stopped?

[Bumbarash59]

[quote = Katsin1] Stalin was already friends with Hitler against the "rotten West". Everyone knows how it ended ...
Stalin was not friends with Hitler, the agreement on non-attack is far from friendship. Well, her friendship, you give mutually beneficial cooperation

[mr_Doom]

Quote: Starfish

UN Security Council approved.

in what boundaries? since the state was formed quite artificially, so to speak according to a UN resolution, then this organization should be respected. The UN then calls on Israel to return to the old borders and return the occupied lands to the Palestinians.

Now, it’s already legal)) And, as we know, the Palestinian territories were conquered in the War of Independence (started by the Arabs (even trolls should agree with this))

[Ivanovich47]

Quote: "... leaving Iran with its high-tech weapons is beneficial to us not only for economic reasons, but also for security reasons."
Following the whims of the West in matters of banning the supply of arms to Iran cost Russia dearly. The partnership conscientiousness of Russia in relation to the recipient countries of Russian weapons was called into question. Broken air defense supplies must be fully implemented. Thus, to restore the trust of real friends of Russia.

[Katsin1]

Not certainly in that way . If Russia, God forbid, supplies Iran with an S-300, and if we, God forbid, have to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities, then trust me that the S-300 will not even find our aircraft. Let me remind you how in Syria during the destruction of nuclear. Reactors Russian Tor M1 did not even find our aircraft. After that, Russian specialists came to Syria in an attempt to understand what had happened. I write all this to the fact that after the failure of the S-300 in Iran, it will be very difficult for Russia to engage in marketing the S-300 in the future. So neither you nor us need this ...

[uladzimir.surko]

Only Eggs are cool, why do you have such a tantrum about the S-300 if you can destroy the Israelis?

[cdrt]

Quote: Katsin1

Not certainly in that way . If Russia, God forbid, supplies Iran with an S-300, and if we, God forbid, have to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities, then trust me that the S-300 will not even find our aircraft. Let me remind you how in Syria during the destruction of nuclear. Reactors Russian Tor M1 did not even find our aircraft. After that, Russian specialists came to Syria in an attempt to understand what had happened. I write all this to the fact that after the failure of the S-300 in Iran, it will be very difficult for Russia to engage in marketing the S-300 in the future. So neither you nor us need this ...

But despite the fact that I am more likely pro-Israeli with regard to events in the Middle East, you’ll decide:
Either wear panties, or remove the cross
I mean - or steeper than the IDF air force, only boiled eggs and you don’t care about the S-300, but then don’t get hysterical about the S-300, or if you know that the failures and losses from the S-300 are terrible (especially at the limit of the AOI aviation range ), because hysteria.

[Don]

Quote: Katsin1

Russian Tor M1 did not even find our aircraft.

Syria has never had a Tor-M1. In addition, this is the air defense missile system of the ground forces, and not air defense and near range with a range of up to 15 km.

Quote: Katsin1

then believe me that the S-300 will not even detect our aircraft.

If you feel like it, this does not mean that it will be so. Since when are the stealth technologies on the Israeli F-15 and F-16? In addition, the S-300 air defense system still detects them, even our Ukrainian chain mail. If Iran has set up good radars, then the Air Force and Air Defense will find you on the approach to Iran.

[runway]

If regdan believes that Israel is not a secular state, then it already does not exist?
I'm not even going to argue with you on this topic. With your commentary, you have already exposed yourself to the whole world. On the subject, I want to add that in the East it is customary to say one thing and do another. Remember the words of Sukhov from the movie "White Sun of the Desert": "The East is a delicate matter." I mean what if today Bober I left there with gifts, this does not mean that tomorrow you will not be stoned there.
If Russia were on the rise, like China, we would cooperate with whom we ourselves would wish. Wishing to be friends with us, there would be no end. And now, with those whom all states are shunning. Not a fun prospect.

[voliador]

If the bear cub had not stopped the supply of S-300 to Iran for the sake of shame, then our relations with Iran would have been much better than now. The Iranians were offended, and who was happy in their place, because the S-300 did not fall under sanctions. Well now it’s kind of cool down, and, I think, military-technical cooperation between us will intensify. Moreover, it is good to receive intelligence from the territory of Iran about NATO ships in the bay.

[Basileus]

Iran is a potential ally, but rather dubious. Our relations with the Persians have never been friendly, but now Iran has a small selection of strategic partners - Russia or China. Well, the option to continue to overcome alone. In general, we need to develop relations and see what happens. The main thing is not to overdo it and not repel.

[Goldmitro]

<<< It should be said here that supplying Iran with our high-tech weapons is beneficial to us not only for economic reasons, but also for security reasons. Iran will always be our neighbor. And it is desirable that he always be a kind and stable neighbor. >>>
All right! Even Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons is not as dangerous for us as the spreading of militant Islam by Saudi Arabia, which does not have nuclear weapons, and an attempt to establish its hegemony in the Islamic world. Iran must be protected from this hegemonic shobla of fundamentalist Islamists and their NATO sponsors - puppeteers!

[Tourist Breakfast]

All right! Even Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons is not as dangerous for us as the spread of militant Islam by Saudi Arabia, which does not have its own nuclear weapons, and an attempt to establish its hegemony in the Islamic world.

Here, the problem is that as soon as nuclear weapons appear in Iran, the same Saudi Arabia will want to get hold of its own. Following Egypt, Turkey, etc. Do you need it?

[beard999]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Saudi Arabia wants to get hold of its own. Following Egypt, Turkey, etc. Do you need it?

Firstly, “wanting to get hold of” and actually getting into the arsenal of nuclear weapons is far from the same thing. Not so simple. We need appropriate specialists, infrastructure, materials, delivery vehicles ... None of this, in the countries you have listed, is present. For starters, they will have to leave the NPT, and to do this without consequences will not be so simple ...
Secondly, Israel already has nuclear weapons. Do you think we need it? Yes, not like that. For Russia, the presence of nuclear weapons, that of Israel, that of Iran, is equally unacceptable. In this matter, for us, between Iran and Israel, there is no difference. That's just in fact, you have nuclear weapons for a long time, but Iran does not have it, and it is not known whether it will be at all.
Thirdly, do you think that the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel greatly pleases Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey? Why didn’t they get it now? And why do you think that the situation with Iran can change something on this issue? The leadership of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey made a statement that if Iran had nuclear weapons, would they also acquire them?

[Tourist Breakfast]

Firstly, “wanting to get hold of” and actually getting into the arsenal of nuclear weapons is far from the same thing. Not so simple. We need appropriate specialists, infrastructure, materials, delivery vehicles ... None of this, in the countries you have listed, is present. For starters, they will have to leave the NPT, and to do this without consequences will not be so simple ...

Iran, for example, did not withdraw from the NPT. Which does not prevent him from making a bomb under the guise of a peaceful atom. I see no reason for the rest not to follow this example.
And if there is a desire and money, there will be specialists, technologies, and materials.

Thirdly, do you think that the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel greatly pleases Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey? Why didn’t they get it now? And why do you think that the situation with Iran can change something on this issue? The leadership of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey made a statement that if Iran had nuclear weapons, would they also acquire them?

The difference is that the leadership of Saudi Arabia and other major Middle Eastern countries are well aware that Israel is not a rival for them in the struggle for leadership in the region, even with nuclear weapons. Israel simply does not have the human and material resources for this. But they are afraid of each other and for good reason. The possibility of a second "Iranian-Iraqi" war, only with the SA in the role of Iraq, is quite high.

[nod739]

Quote: theadenter

The most annoying is that many excellent scientists left us.

in the silicon valley alone, about 40 thousand people

[scientist]

Quote: Katsin1

Not certainly in that way . If Russia, God forbid, deliver Iran an S-300, and if we, God forbid, have to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities, then trust me that the S-300 will not even find our aircraft. Let me remind you how in Syria during the destruction of nuclear. Reactors Russian Tor M1 did not even find our aircraft. After that, Russian specialists came to Syria in an attempt to understand what had happened. I write all this to the fact that after the failure of the S-300 in Iran, it will be very difficult for Russia to engage in marketing the S-300 in the future. So neither you nor us need this ...

To establish powerful obstacles from reconnaissance aircraft scrambling outside the reach of air defense systems, and then break through at low and extremely high altitudes to the object now unless can not. When Russian experts arrived and checked the Iranian Tor-1M after an attack by the Israeli Air Force, it turned out that there were not even seals on the spare frequency switch! They too strictly followed the instructions and waited for a special team from Tehran. So, your optimism about yet another unpunished flight to nuclear facilities is at least not appropriate. But I do not argue now that Israel has the opportunity to get them with its medium-range ballistic missiles, which were recently tested in the Mediterranean Sea as targets. But while it is not there S-300VM, it was just created for tactical missile defense. Well, in any case, there will be a retaliatory strike and not the fact that Israel’s missile defense, configured to repel MLRS missiles, can cope with ballistic, maneuvering goals.
In any case, this is the road to nowhere. You can inflate the situation arbitrarily, argue and develop plans, but agree that it is more profitable to live if not friendly, then at least try to understand each other .
And Russia most likely will not expand cooperation with Iran until it has solved all the problems in the Caspian Sea, where Iran’s position is escalating the arms race of the Caspian states.

[Tourist Breakfast]

When Russian experts arrived and checked the Iranian Tor-1M after an attack by the Israeli Air Force, it turned out that there were not even seals on the spare frequency switch! They too strictly followed the instructions and waited for a special team from Tehran.

What else is the attack of the Israeli Air Force in Iran ??? Have you come to us from the future? Maybe all of you are talking about Syria?

[scientist]

Operation Opera (also known as Operation Babylon) is a military operation carried out by the Israeli Air Force to destroy a French-made Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in June 1981.

This is a classic. We studied it together with Syrian colleagues at the Academy of East Kazakhstan.

[Tourist Breakfast]

This is a classic. We studied it together with Syrian colleagues at the Academy of East Kazakhstan.

Yeah, and Iran and Iraq are the same country you get.
This is not to mention the fact that neither TOP-M1, nor "Russian specialists" in 1981 could have been in Iraq.

[scientist]

Apparently it was a question of the air defense system Cube. But there were also S-125 or S-75. A lot of time has passed, forgotten.

[atalef]

Quote: scientist

This is a classic. We studied it together with Syrian colleagues at the Academy of East Kazakhstan

Yes, apparently they studied it a bit shabby (you’ll forgive me, but I haven’t seen such a confusion as with your air defense systems and countries, cities and years), so let’s get back to studying Opera operations with your friends, and the result

Having received this information, Prime Minister Olmert ordered in August 2007 to drop special forces in Syria on two helicopters. Special forces had to urgently evacuate, since they were spotted by the Syrian security services, but before that they had time to take soil samples from the area of ​​the reactor under construction - and these samples showed that uranium work was actually being carried out at the facility.

Soon after, Olmert informed his American partners of his intention to bomb the Syrian nuclear facility, and preparations began for the operation, codenamed Pardes / Bustan.

7 IDF aircraft took part in the operation, which first bombed the Syrian border radar and then hit AGM-65 shells at the Syrian reactor. After that, Olmert called the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan and asked him to tell Assad that Israel does not want a war with Syria, but will not tolerate nuclear weapons on its territory.

[alone]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

What else is the attack of the Israeli Air Force in Iran ??? Have you come to us from the future? Maybe all of you are talking about Syria?

Well, admit it when you managed to bomb Iranian objects?))

[alone]

Quote: scientist

When Russian experts arrived and checked the Iranian Tor-1M after an attack by the Israeli Air Force, it turned out that there were not even seals on the spare frequency switch!

The Iranian Phantom F-4 fighter jet, which crashed yesterday near the city of Bushehr, was shot down by Iranian air defense systems, which had been put on high alert on the eve of the launch of the first Iranian nuclear power plant in Bushehr.


Iranian sources of the Debka agency report that the "phantom" was shot down by the Russian "Tor M-1" complex guarding the nuclear station, Sursorinfo.co.il reports.

Earlier it was said that the plane crashed due to technical malfunctions.

Sources in Iran are surprised at why a fighter entered airspace prohibited for flights, within a radius of 20 km from a nuclear power plant.

It should be noted that the Bushehr nuclear power plant, which has been under construction since 1975 (since the mid-1990s, with the participation of Russia), will become the first nuclear power plant in Iran. The launch of the nuclear power plant is scheduled for August 21.

As Rosbalt previously reported, a Phantom bomber of the Iranian Air Force crashed in the Bushehr area in southern Iran. The pilot and navigator managed to eject. They were injured and hospitalized.
Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2010/08/18/763260.html

and how then did they manage to bring down their f-4 if the seals were not broken?

[scientist]

We are talking about the bombing of the French reactor in Bushehr in 1981. But I was mistaken at the expense of Tor-1M, apparently they could not be there at that time. Apparently it was about Cuba or S-125 and S-75. Just for a long time I was told this by our officers who traveled to Iran as advisers. But about the seals at spare frequencies and the essence of the operation of the air defense breakthrough, that's for sure.

[atalef]

Quote: scientist

It is about the bombing of the French reactor in Bushehr in 1981

More precisely in Iraq and in the city of Al-Tuwait (Ozirak reactor)

Quote: scientist

. But I was mistaken about Tor-1M

Apparently not a little in this

Quote: scientist

Apparently it was about Cuba or S-125 and S-75.

Quote: scientist

. Just for a long time I was told this by our officers who traveled to Iran as advisers.

Comrade Scientist, do not confuse Iran and Iraq

Quote: scientist

But about the seals at spare frequencies and the essence of the operation of the air defense breakthrough, that's for sure

Like everything you said above, excuse me, at least see the Wiki

[scientist]

Thank you for correcting. The next time, before writing, I will definitely check on VIKI, like you. I don’t understand one thing, why on topics where at least somehow we are talking about Iran and God forbid about Israel, there are more clever people like you than everyone else. Although the site seems to be Russian. Do you have enough Israeli and Western sites? Tell me if it does not.

[atalef]

Quote: scientist

I don’t understand one thing, why on topics where at least somehow we are talking about Iran and God forbid about Israel, there are more clever people like you than everyone else.

Probably to suggest to some scientists where and what kind of snowstorm they carry
Of course, I understand that shkolota is easier to ride on the ears, but there are people here who are a little in the subject, much to your disappointment

Quote: scientist

. Although the site seems to be Russian to you, there are few Israeli and Western sites.

You know with your speeches. You remind me of a famous and very old anecdote.

Rabinovich walks around the zoological museum, suddenly sees an excursion and the guide says
- comrades in front of you is the skeleton of Peter the Great at the age of 3 years, go ahead,
- comrades in front of you is the skeleton of Peter the Great at the age of 15 years, go ahead,
- comrades in front of you is the skeleton of Peter the Great at the age of 30 years, go ahead,
- comrades in front of you is the skeleton of Peter the Great in which he died
Rabinovich asks in bewilderment
-Sorry, but that Peter the Great had 4 skeletons
The guide asks bewildered
-Where are you from ?
-From Israel
_Well, and go to your Israel, comrades of the Chukchi, send on

Quote: scientist

Tell me if not difficult

He told me, or else let's go over the anegdotics?

[alone]

as always, when there is nothing to justify your mistakes, the reproach begins that the site is Russian and that you all strangers have lost here. And other such blah blah blah

[Timur]

about the given lives, of course it is difficult to disagree. eternal memory and glory to them. however, at this time, Azerbaijan is hardly an ally. however, both Georgia and the Baltic states ..

[komel]

The offer is interesting and a good gift. It’s worth thinking and looking for mutually beneficial solutions.

[Ihrek]

It would be nice to accept Iran in the CSTO and the Customs Union. The benefit will be mutual and rather big.

[eldar2116]

it will be a mistake. an arms race will begin, everywhere there will be pro and tactical nuclear weapons under the pretext of protecting against an aggressive bloc, of which terrorist Iran is a member

[Kovrovsky]

Quote: fisherman

The news is certainly positive, but Iranian politicians are very cunning and it is important not to forget about it.

Iranians act on the principle: "You are for me, I - for you!" and it is desirable to maintain an approximate balance.

[LSV]

It was pointed out correctly above that we have many prospects for cooperation in various fields - both in the economic and military - technical fields. Why not collaborate? We have no contradictions with them, except for the time being the unresolved issue of dividing the Caspian Sea, but I think this will be resolved. If we supply modern weapons to Azerbaijan, although there can be much more problems with them, then Iran is certainly necessary.

[Prishtina]

Quote: illarion

I do not understand, is it a S-300 or a Chinese counterpart?

Judging by the tractor in the video .. this is a defect during start-up with the C400 launcher ... unfortunately the quality of the work done is lame