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If China decides to seize Siberia, he will have to fight with NATO

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All the riches of the region are already "written off" to the Americans, the expert says


If anyone has not forgotten, we are building a Eurasian Union. This course was set a couple of years ago, while still prime minister, Vladimir Putin. The idea was instantly approved and hotly supported by statists, aroused a certain interest (in any case, judging by the declarations) from the leaders of potential member countries. Of course, there were skeptics, including from the same state-patriotic camp. During the years of stagnation, which have flowed from the years of stagnation, we have somehow decided not to use grand political constructions.

The main skeptic turned out to be modernity itself. Ukraine is about to sign (with maximum probability) the Association Agreement with the European Union and, of course, in this status it will not be able to be a member of the Eurasian Union. But what is it without Ukraine? And if even the Old Man begins to be strange? But he can, and, in general, in some of his last speeches showed that Moscow does not have the right to take the loyalty of Belarus to something taken for granted. In general, Russia's control over its western frontiers is accompanied by increasing reservations.

According to the orientalist Yuri Tavrovsky, which he outlined in his article in Nezavisimaya Gazeta, it’s already not necessary to talk about Russia's political presence to the west of the border. “Having swallowed up the countries of the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact, as well as the Baltic republics of the USSR, the Euro-Atlantic structures at first did not threaten areas inhabited by Russian and Russian-speaking people, carriers in common with the population of Russia itself stories and culture. Now the Rubicon is crossed. The West’s versatile pressure on the Ukrainian elite has led Russia to a new geopolitical catastrophe, to the rapid expansion of the economic, political, cultural, and military patterns of Western European civilization onto the vital space of Russian civilization, ”the researcher states. And there and then complains that Moscow seems to have resigned itself to this situation, since there is no particular zeal on the part of the Russian leadership to restore its influence there.

"But there is every opportunity to compensate for the losses in the form of the development of sparsely populated and poorly included in the economic life of the spaces to the east of the Urals," the author immediately finds a plus in the current situation. Indeed, why not finally turn its attention to the Far East? But only seriously pay attention - as they turned at the time of the catastrophic flood. Now, if the authorities thought about their Far Eastern lands every day and “like scalded” they would create infrastructure on them! Exactly so, and not “from under the lash,” as in the case, for example, with the Vostochny cosmodrome.

One misfortune, the author notes: Putin understands the situation, but he is opposing. The pro-Western oriented elites do not want to revive the Far East, they do not need this uninhabited "hole." An entire department for the development of the Far Eastern territories was created (and how did the USSR manage to manage without it?), But what’s the point ... The liberal approach to budget management doesn’t imply such “stupid” expenses, which, of course, pay off quickly. Market, my dear, nothing personal. “A real or exaggerated lack of funds for the rise of the Far East threatens to dampen the impulse sent by Putin two years ago,” summarizes Yury Tavrovsky. Yes, not that threatens. The impulse is clearly already damped and a new one is required.

And he can come from China. True, unexpected? And what kind of forecast is it possible to give here when it, the Middle Kingdom, with a population of one and a half billion, right next door? And China is not that very interested in the use of Russian resources, but, in general, it already does for many years. Russian resources for Beijing may soon become almost the main source at all, since Washington has repeatedly made it clear that the Chinese administration is not satisfied with the American administration. So, for some economic sanctions matter, if anything, will not rust.

“In Beijing, they consider this threat real and urgent. This is evidenced by the active search for new sources of industrial and agricultural raw materials outside well-developed Africa and the Middle East, as well as the creation of alternative transport routes. It is through this prism that the “New Silk Road” strategy should be considered, the author recalls.

Forecasts are, of course, ungrateful, but only in the case when the layouts are as transparent as possible, it is already difficult to draw a clear line between assumption and statement.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, Konstantin Sokolov, Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, gave a generally optimistic outlook for the future Eurasian Union:

- The question of ousting Russia to the east is, rather, informational and psychological in nature than a real political one. Because now, when some speakers argue that Ukraine is no longer with Russia, that we have lost it, and that we can only retreat to the east, they forget one thing: besides the will of political leaders, there is also the will of the people. And they may not be the same. Yes, now the peoples in Russia and Ukraine are divided - spiritually, kindred, culturally, artificially create a conflict situation - but still all the decisions concerning the demarcation of fraternal peoples can still be implemented only by legislative means, since by the good will of the peoples to be can not. And it must be well understood.

Therefore, of course, it is difficult now to imagine what the actions of political leaders regarding the creation of the Eurasian Union will be, but one can firmly say that the creation of a continental geopolitical power, some continental center, union with Russia’s participation is only a matter of time, it is inevitable. And the fact that now some politicians treat as a loss, as a loss - this is all transitory. I think that the perspective of the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union is certainly great, and changes in the political rules of communication are most likely not viable. No matter how much one wants this, Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians will never become different nations.

- But, obviously, someone will try very hard to make it happen?

- The modern world is divided into zones of influence of super-oligarchs, world financial clans, leading among themselves the struggle for world domination. Of course, they will generously pay money to the provocateurs, they will, if necessary, provide them weaponswill organize the physical elimination of disagreeable figures. And this global struggle at the world level is privately reflected in specific political moves. And we must be prepared for the fact that there are still quite a few provocateurs in Russia who will carry on clearly subversive work against the interests of the people. As well as there will be such provocateurs from Kazakhstan, from Ukraine ... For this money is paid by those who dream of complete submission to Russia, who want to own everything in our land. But I feel that now we are approaching that line, when these simple truths will already become completely obvious to all.

- One of the “fashionable” fears today is the fear of the possible annexation by China of the now actually abandoned Far Eastern territories ...

- We have to realize one unpleasant thing. About a decade ago, the population in the Far East of Russia was approximately 12,5 million people, and now it is already about 7 million ... As a fact, vast and empty territories are empty. But let's look at things soberly: if suddenly China really wishes to take possession of the current Russian lands, then with whom will it then have to fight? First of all, we will have to fight with NATO, because in fact all the riches of Siberia are already written off to the Americans and their allies. I think that for China the development of the Far East in this light will be extremely difficult. So on this part, I would not panic prematurely, but I would not even calm down. The revival of the Far East, Siberia - the task of fundamental importance.
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  1. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 October 2013 12: 15
    +6
    What are the US sanctions against China. Will stay with bare opoy
    1. Joker
      Joker 26 October 2013 14: 13
      +5
      What are the US sanctions against China. Will stay with bare opoy

      Elementary, they will close their production there and that's it. Millions of Chinese workers will be on the street, here are the sanctions.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 40
        15
        Quote: Joker
        Elementary, close their production there and all.

        It’s too late to close, and it’s impossible. Will the machines be exported or what? Components are both made in China wassat
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 26 October 2013 16: 03
          +4
          Elementary, close their production there and that's it.
          Bullshit ... Not for that they invested loot to turn around and leave! Americans themselves will only lose from this, than they will gain
          1. starshina78
            starshina78 26 October 2013 20: 20
            +1
            All right! Americans are working hard in the Magadan Region. My distant relative lives in the Magadan region, in the Omsukchan district and works for Americans who wash gold in the mines that our state-owned companies abandoned. And with their technology, they perfectly extract gold from the breed worked out by our companies. And from his words the Americans bought a lot of things. And sooner or later, China will come to Siberia and the Far East. By diplomatic or military means, it is unknown, but it will come!
            1. I do not care
              I do not care 26 October 2013 20: 55
              +1
              If China decides to seize the Far East, it will not have to fight for it anymore; its problems will simply end forever
            2. zasxdcfvv
              zasxdcfvv 27 October 2013 00: 24
              +1
              It’s good to fill it in. I work as an installer, we build villages for goldsmiths. Recently I arrived from Amethystov in Kamchatka. There is also Icey, they mine platinum. The closest people are across the sea.
        2. I do not care
          I do not care 26 October 2013 20: 52
          0
          I didn’t have time to read and I about the same
        3. Su24
          Su24 26 October 2013 21: 38
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Even a dozen years ago, the population in the Far East of Russia amounted to approximately 12,5 million people, and now it is already about 7 million ... As a fact, vast and empty territories are already empty. But let's look at things soberly: if suddenly China really wants to take over the current Russian lands, then with whom will it have to fight? First of all, you have to fight with NATO


          China is a country that imports technology, so it’s more likely that the Chinese will get rich. Well, and Western youth for several years will be left without new iPhones, such a tragedy.

          Even a dozen years ago, the population in the Far East of Russia amounted to approximately 12,5 million people, and now it is already about 7 million ... As a fact, vast and empty territories are already empty. But let's look at things soberly: if suddenly China really wants to take over the current Russian lands, then with whom will it have to fight? First of all, you have to fight with NATO


          In general, a delusional article and the same "expert".
      2. illarion
        illarion 26 October 2013 17: 44
        0
        And the American and other owners will give up their production and quietly smoke aside, delving into the nearest garbage dump? Yes, they better find another friend Lee ..!
      3. I do not care
        I do not care 26 October 2013 20: 51
        0
        Nationalization by China of production capacities and presentation of bonds for payment and where will the yankers be? They will not ban any friendship with high-tech economies and demand for cheap goods will remain.
        1. Su24
          Su24 27 October 2013 11: 49
          0
          Quote: me by
          Nationalization by China of production capacities and presentation of bonds for payment and where will the yankers be? They will not ban any friendship with high-tech economies and demand for cheap goods will remain.


          Where will China be after this? West for China is the main market for goods. How do you think China will be "friendly" with developed countries if it first selects their own factories?
    2. alone
      alone 26 October 2013 18: 57
      +5
      If China decides to seize Siberia, he will have to fight with NATO


      But is Siberia already in NATO or am I missing something?
      1. varov14
        varov14 26 October 2013 19: 52
        -3
        I missed one thing: our liberals have long been averse to selling all of Russia with us. Here it is perhaps appropriate to recall the story. The Russian princes in their civil strife invited the Mongols to jointly solve local, probably also state problems. Why not invite the Chinese, if conscience itself does not allow us to end libe..stami. And the territory, in normal trade, why do they need our snows, the main thing is not to get into the older brothers, but to be business partners, or even better just brothers, you can see how the Tatars will take root for the next hundreds of years.
        1. Aryan
          Aryan 26 October 2013 20: 40
          0
          but if China will fight with NATO
          Siberia will be FSUs! good
          1. varov14
            varov14 26 October 2013 21: 21
            -1
            "Siberia will not work!" - Well, it would be, but not feasible, well, not the Moscow swamp will fight, they will drive us and the friendship of the Chinese would be very useful. For 20 years we didn’t flirt with the West, one might say, lay down under them, but something of friendship did not work out, we need to change the homosexual "orientation". Better to be the brother of China than the whore of the west.
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 26 October 2013 22: 33
              +7
              Quote: varov14
              Better to be a brother of China than a whore of the west.

              You are naive to the impossibility. The Chinese have no brothers and never had. If in doubt, please give an example of fraternal relations between the Chinese and any nation.
              1. alone
                alone 26 October 2013 23: 10
                +4
                )) why do they need brothers. they are one and a half billion. they are brothers themselves))
    3. Siberian German
      Siberian German 27 October 2013 05: 12
      0
      very simple - for example, remember the situation with the Cypriot banks, they can create something like that
  2. makarov
    makarov 26 October 2013 12: 21
    25
    For the sake of curiosity, I read other materials of the author, I will say in the language of a commoner: - "weaving" is not known about what, if only the mouth does not stink.
    P.S. I apologize for the harshness, but "you can't throw words out of the song."
    1. Guun
      Guun 26 October 2013 12: 55
      +8
      I agree with you. Here, on the website, they knowingly wrote that China needs powerful logistics for China to transfer troops to the Far East and invade Siberia - China does not have it. China would have Taiwan and the disputed territories with Japan back.
      1. Samy
        Samy 26 October 2013 17: 49
        13
        Complete nonsense. In Heilongjiang, Jilin, Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang, extensive and modern road networks and a developed railway network have been created. All this has been done in the last 10 years. But the author lies in another, the lands of Siberia and Far East are not sold to Americans. DV is not abandoned and is being built and settled. Let not so fast, but work is going on. The fact that it needs to be accelerated is obvious, but no DV has abandoned it. China in the foreseeable future will not go north in any case, but this has already been explained in detail why, too lazy to repeat.
        1. lecturer
          lecturer 27 October 2013 18: 37
          +1
          DV is not abandoned and is being built and settled. Let not so fast, but work is going on.

          Right brother!
          We sometimes even forget what SHIFTS in the construction on the Far East sometimes show on TV unadvertised (Father Russky, etc.) ... Of course, to steal up to this for 20 years and restore - it’s not 20 years now, BUT, God bless! And panic and nonsense is a dog thing!
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 26 October 2013 13: 29
      +6
      one crap!
    3. voliador
      voliador 26 October 2013 14: 13
      +9
      You, my friend, sometimes you need to look out the window and go outside. Your Yanukovych is pulling Ukraine into a geyropa because there he was clearly promised a lot. And on the people of Ukraine, he clearly ... Crimea and all the eastern regions are against geyropeisation, and in the western part of Ukraine there are people who have not lost their brains in Bandera and self-independence, and they understand why Ukraine is facing such rapprochement with the West - they will simply have you. Look at the Balts that they were given accession to the EU: production in the railway, housing and utility bills eats up most of the average salary, the population leaves their countries. Well, there lives a very small group of hangers-on who are paid for anti-Russian statements, and they put the rest on them. Would you like them? Only when your country is in a deep anus and the majority wants to get to work and permanent residence to the west, no one will let you go there, because nobody wants to wake you up there.
      1. illarion
        illarion 26 October 2013 18: 01
        0
        Why is everything going well? Because our guys do not know how to work. Ours are those who are engaged in interstate politics. Why there are no statements from Ukrainians to the courts of the CIS or the Customs Union demanding that their leaders be held accountable for moving to Europe without a referendum? Why there are no statements from victims who lost Pyzhykovy hats in the 70s? Why were Yulia's relatives not puzzled by the statement to the court of Russia? Why not a single veteran of the war filed a complaint against Yanek for insulting in Lviv? Why there is no compromising? Moreover, a long-playing one. Please note that a black football player demands a boycott of the 2018 World Cup! years, although now it’s only 2013. For 5 years, a fly in the ointment has been prepared. And we will prove for 5 years that, they say, nothing like that. Do we have no channels that broadcast to Ukraine? There are no violations of the law? Correct me ,if I am wrong.
    4. tor11121
      tor11121 26 October 2013 15: 07
      +6
      I completely agree. “The revival of the Far East, Siberia is a task of fundamental importance.” Is the only sensible phrase in the entire article. Create jobs, infrastructure, and people will appear, will live, work, give birth to children.
      1. habalog
        habalog 27 October 2013 11: 31
        +4
        Quote: tor11121
        I completely agree. “The revival of the Far East, Siberia is a task of fundamental importance.” Is the only sensible phrase in the entire article. Create jobs, infrastructure, and people will appear, will live, work, give birth to children.


        Not so simple. Our land (Siberia) will not let anyone in anyway. Here comes a person, who seems to be a good, economic one, but everything is in disarray - the edge is not accepted. It's not even the harsh climate. Even without the attraction of mysticism, you can just go out to the Taiga, you will immediately feel - either you want to skimp without looking back, everywhere you see passions, or you feel comfortable and your soul rejoices. Oh, I don't believe that the edge of the Americans or the Chinese will accept. They only consider it as an incomprehensible pantry. And the true wealth of our land is its soul. They simply do not see it or smell it. That is why, you see, the problem is - you need to approach its habitation with a soul, and not with a crowd of "executors":
  3. Renat
    Renat 26 October 2013 12: 22
    +3
    That is, as in one famous film: This is not your tooth, and not even mine, it is his tooth. Without me, I got married _ wow prospects, our territory is de jure. The only thing left for the population living in these territories is to be an employee of the gentlemen? Dear forum users from the Far East, what do you say?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 12: 37
      +2
      People flee from the Far East, go to the Kaliningrad region in the Krasnodar Territory, but mostly pensioners, because there is no work and small salaries
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 26 October 2013 13: 12
        0
        What I wrote wrong, I also think to retire to Kaliningrad to retire
        1. Far East
          Far East 26 October 2013 14: 15
          +6
          Quote: ivshubarin
          What I wrote wrong, I also think to retire to Kaliningrad to retire

          dear, Ivan! I do not minus from the principle! but I will say so sharply well, nothing! LET EVERYONE RIDE !!!!!! and to China and others. our local "natives" are many! will give nothing. why did you come here? if it `s not a secret hi
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  4. erased
    erased 26 October 2013 12: 24
    -1
    Well, the main point of the article is true - the dispute over the Far East and Siberia is between the USA and China. The opinion of Russia is taken into account in some way as long as it has nuclear weapons.
    1. Far East
      Far East 26 October 2013 14: 18
      +4
      Quote: erased
      Well, the main point of the article is true - the dispute over the Far East and Siberia is between the USA and China. The opinion of Russia is taken into account in some way as long as it has nuclear weapons.
      Dear Stern! this is where you got such information from! I will be sooo nice if you explain! hi
    2. Samy
      Samy 26 October 2013 17: 51
      +4
      NOT true. Bullshit is everything. Scare the kids in kindergarten.
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 October 2013 12: 26
    +5
    China is not a competitor to us .. (they don’t have a flight of thought ..))) laughing If we rummage, we quickly solve their demographic problem .. (and take the money ..)))
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 12: 41
      +5
      They have a very acute demographic problem, the nation is aging rapidly. They want to be allowed to give birth more, then we will have a problem. Talking with the Chinese they are not up to Russia, they want Taiwan
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 26 October 2013 13: 52
        +5
        I agree that until the Chinese take over Taiwan and feel their strength, there is nothing to fear.
  6. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 26 October 2013 12: 28
    +3
    I read the book "The Bear and the Dragon" by Tom Clancy. Turbidity and utter nonsense. But it describes a variant of China's attack on Russia. In the end we won, but before that we joined NATO and, together with NATO divisions, defeated the Chinese.
  7. Bezarius
    Bezarius 26 October 2013 12: 31
    +2
    How did these pseudo-specialists get it. There will be no war with China under any circumstances, that’s it, period.
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 26 October 2013 13: 13
      +5
      The author does not say that the war does not wake up, he speaks completely sober thoughts.
      In this I completely agree with the author of the article and put him a big plus.
      There is a geopolitical triangle of the USA (NATO) -Russia-China, while there is a triangle design, the forces are balanced and cancel each other out, and most importantly, they are all interdependent.
      Russia in this scheme the base of the triangle (resources). Therefore, any attempt by the United States to take control of Russia will lead China to the US opposition movement, and the impact on China of Russia will lead to the impact of China on the United States. not one of these countries will allow the Russian side to take control of the resources of the Russian Federation. it wakes to mean complete defeat of this side.
      Therefore, no matter how strange it may happen, but in the event of a war between Russia for the protection of its lands and resources, it will have a forced and very strong ally, only "Who exactly?"
      1. hrych
        hrych 26 October 2013 14: 40
        10
        The most rapidly developing and commensurate in terms of population is India, which is the enemy of the Chinese. When drawing triangles, do not forget about India. The Chinese have a lot of problems inside the territory: Uyghurs and Tibetans, although the Mandjuras are not heard, but with any mess, they can wake up. The huge and problematic population due to demographic experiments, the number of which mainly scares us, is the main problem and the Achilles heel of China. Especially if a billion, poor, without any prospects of people and revolution, no one has canceled. China has territorial problems not only with India, but primarily with Japan and Vietnam. Vietnam seems to be a dwarf near China, but it has a population of under 100 million, and this, oddly enough, is commensurate with China itself and has experience in tearing the French, Americans and the Chinese themselves. There is a militarization of all Indochina, Japan and Korea, America will reformat its forces in the region. If the Chinese still need problems in the north, then I don’t know at all, and the northern neighbor has missiles, although the population of the Far East is not large, but they are protected by the Strategic Missile Forces throughout Russia.
    2. avt
      avt 26 October 2013 13: 38
      +2
      Quote: Bezarius
      How did these pseudo-specialists get it.

      Well, why? It's just that they are real specialists from another field.
      Quote: Bezarius
      There will be no war with China under any circumstances, that’s it, period.

      But the work of these agitators - propagandists is precisely to root the idea of ​​a war with China and make it a reality. It is quite understandable, untwisted flywheel of the "Chinese threat" for playing off our countries, who will benefit from this, even no need to guess - the main debtor and absorber of Chinese goods. They have already trained in Libya - they bombed a little, for a seed, well, "democracy" was entrusted to spread the Franks to various Italians. The main thing is not to go to the other extreme - they say Russian and Chinese are brothers for a century , it must be remembered that this century can be very short, depending on the circumstances.
      1. Rif
        Rif 26 October 2013 14: 51
        +5
        "Russia has only two allies: its army and navy - Always ready to accept the challenge, Alexander III" - from this it is necessary to proceed, build and strengthen them, while using all available means to help the enemies deal with each other, without getting into other people's showdowns, Well, if only with advice, it's sacred.
  8. Neighbor
    Neighbor 26 October 2013 12: 32
    +3
    Strengthening the already dangerous dangerous China at the expense of Siberia is not only disadvantageous to the states, but also to India, for example ....
    1. Guun
      Guun 26 October 2013 14: 35
      -1
      If the Chinese want the resources of Siberia, they just buy it and that's it (safe, profitable and no costs.)
  9. askort154
    askort154 26 October 2013 12: 33
    16
    While we drive funds into 5-7-10 .. ring roads around Moscow, high-speed and toll roads between S. Pitr. and Moscow, running in a special camouflage with a "never-ending" fire 65 tich. km., while in Siberia and the Far East, the old people who remain in the villages buy bread and pasta under the entry in the "granary book", under the next month's pension ... With such "strategic" plans for the development of Siberia and the Far East, we risk losing them really, even in this century.
  10. Altona
    Altona 26 October 2013 12: 37
    +5
    Another nonsense about China’s expansion into Siberia ... With trillions of green candy wrappers, he just stupidly buys the right parts of the territory from Putin ... Further, the war is still an act of aggression and it will drastically change China’s foreign policy image, China will never do that ... In addition, China has found many easier deposits to develop in Africa and South America, successfully cooperating there, supplying in exchange its goods and weapons ... So is there any point in China climbing into Siberian swamps and taiga?
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    2. onegin61
      onegin61 26 October 2013 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      China has found many easier deposits to develop in Africa and South America, successfully cooperating there, supplying in exchange its goods and weapons ... So does it make sense for China to go into Siberian swamps and taiga?

      One does not interfere with the other, especially at hand, they will solve the problem of employment, and they already diffuse 1 to 5
      1. Guun
        Guun 26 October 2013 14: 39
        +1
        They just buy everything they need, how they do it now - the territory is why they will have to pay a HUGE price for it, or even lose and live in the Stone Age or worse in the USA (they will not miss such a chance). They will give as much money and buy resources, they buy 40% of oil from us. It’s easier for them to BUY than to fight.
    3. askort154
      askort154 26 October 2013 13: 40
      +2
      Altona Quote ... So does it make sense for China to climb into Siberian swamps and taiga?

      Sorry, nothing personal, but your ideas about Siberia are akin to European:
      .... swamps, taiga, bears with drunk men dance round dances. Darkness....
      1. Altona
        Altona 26 October 2013 13: 58
        +2
        And here are my ideas? Do you live in developed or explored deposits? You live in the city, as I understand it ... Although in Eastern Siberia ... I can imagine what a deposit or mining is like ...
  11. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 October 2013 12: 38
    +1
    in general, by no one and no justified article, China is our strategic partner and point, we will even share the globe with them, but in no case will we give up our territory, but in general the Chinese are going the other way, it’s easier for them to take all sorts of Thailand and Malaysia , and what do they look at there at the moment, they want to steer in that region, as a result, everyone will sweat both South Korea and Japan, so there is no need to flog the blizzard, we’ll also have them in the Far Eastern region, even if you count everywhere there are more Chinese than ours, in the same states there are more of them. In short, a dead topic.
    1. Renat
      Renat 26 October 2013 13: 40
      +2
      Take your time to call the topic dead. Dimon went to China and what they were talking about there was a big question.
  12. major071
    major071 26 October 2013 12: 53
    +8
    Did not impress. . Another scarecrow for those who believe everything. We already sell oil and gas to China, and recently we have signed contracts to increase supplies. It is not profitable for China to lose such a strategic partner as Russia. The USA will crush them alone.
  13. andrei332809
    andrei332809 26 October 2013 12: 53
    +5
    how long can you "marry me without me"? then the Yankes divide Russia with the Europeans, then China ... but no one wants to ask us? Or do they think that we are paws to the top, come, take away?
  14. onegin61
    onegin61 26 October 2013 12: 56
    +4
    With China, everything is simple, they have 1,5 billion living on 1/4 of the territory off the coast and thoroughly "thin out" there will be no problems in the event of their aggression
  15. old rocket man
    old rocket man 26 October 2013 12: 59
    +5
    I regard this article as an explicit test of social reaction, especially the author’s muddy reputation is annoying. Something is a mishmash of reality and fiction, truth, half truth, and somewhere outright lies. They swallow it.
    try it, bite it.
    There will be no war with China and NATO in Siberia does not shine. The Chinese are not stupid, and they and we perfectly understand that the war between us will end in death both states, and America will dance on our bones. Rather, our alliance with China against the United States and NATO is possible, behind the scenes it already seems to be acting.
    1. Guun
      Guun 26 October 2013 14: 45
      +1
      the us every now and then they write about how to fight with Russia and China, how to take a sea blockade, how to disarm the enemy’s nuclear weapons - and Russia and China see what the west is doing, missile defense in Europe and the Pacific Ocean, all sorts of Ajis and TP are all from Iran and S.Korey (only a European will believe this and then not everyone.) If there is a war then it will start when the west invades (as happened more than once) to the east, and the Bear and the Dragon either give back their unity or die one by one in the battle against the packs jackals led by a crazy eagle.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 14: 58
        +2
        Indirect methods of waging war are also possible, in which the West is a great master (nevertheless, poisonous parity restrains from using conventional forces) But to stir up the "hush up", to organize anarchy in Russia, they do not mind any money for this. there was an intervention of the expeditionary forces. Only the determination of the Bolsheviks to deploy full-blooded cavalry armies against the landing force forced the Western strategists to retreat. They only supported the white movement on a large scale, but no longer thought about a direct military operation
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 18: 06
          0
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          full-blooded cavalry armies
          Great glory to these guys. Thank you brothers
      2. polly
        polly 26 October 2013 19: 29
        +3
        Orlan mean? Well, and where is this chicken weighing 4 kg against the Russian miha?
        She is only formidable from behind the superciliary arches ... laughing
  16. Strashila
    Strashila 26 October 2013 12: 59
    +3
    And the meaning of China is to climb into Siberia ... when Afghanistan is close at hand, there the pantry of earthly riches will not yield to Siberia and it is easy to enter ... under the banner of the fight against drug trafficking.
  17. 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 26 October 2013 13: 02
    +4
    the state has no program ..... it doesn’t want to develop the Far East ..... only it wants to suck oil and gas from Siberia! ...
  18. Bigriver
    Bigriver 26 October 2013 13: 08
    +8
    Yet about a dozen years ago the population in the Russian Far East was approximately 12,5 million people, and now - about 7 million.

    The vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems does not know the materiel.
    In the Far East, the population has never been more than 8 million people. It was a peak - the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s.
    Ten years ago, the population was approximately 6,6 million people. Now a little over 6,2 million.
    all the wealth of Siberia has already been written off to the Americans and their allies.

    The one who wanted to unsubscribe has been sitting for ten years.
    Less article for chatter.
  19. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 26 October 2013 13: 10
    +4
    The rise of Siberia and the Far East is a paramount task, only the authorities are only verbally building forecasts of the rise. In fact, there is not a single real plan. To attract resources, both human and financial, it is first of all necessary to create conditions more favorable than in the European part. So it is precisely such conditions that no one is going to create. This means that the effective and accelerated development of Siberia and the Far East is just a slogan, the authorities, like all businessmen in Russia, need fast and big money, and not the development of vast spaces with a long-term perspective.
    1. Far East
      Far East 26 October 2013 14: 21
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      This means that the effective and accelerated development of Siberia and the Far East is just a slogan, the authorities, like all businessmen in Russia, need fast and big money, and not the development of vast spaces with a long-term perspective.
      good good good hi
    2. 31231
      31231 26 October 2013 17: 33
      +3
      The rise of Siberia and the Far East is a paramount task, only the authorities are only verbally building forecasts of the rise.


      1. The new spaceport is being built where?
      2.Where is one of the most important projects of Gazprom?
      3. Where did APEC go?
      4. Sollers and Chinese where do you want to build factories?

      People, if you write something dissatisfied, go there with a good study tour and find out how it is. Find out how much the shipment from the ports of Vanino, Sovgavan, Wrangel (Kozmino) has grown compared to the 90s.

      I myself have been working regularly in Siberia and the Far East since 2006, only a blind person cannot see the construction of new facilities. Those who drove from there rods, what are these people doing now ?!
      Salaries there are at the Russian level. Product prices are different. Something more expensive, something cheaper.
      1. Far East
        Far East 28 October 2013 11: 00
        0
        Quote: 31231
        People, if you write something dissatisfied, go there with a good study tour and find out how it is. Find out how much the shipment from the ports of Vanino, Sovgavan, Wrangel (Kozmino) has grown compared to the 90s.

        Dear Sergey! I live in Sovgavan before the city was closed! but right now, all sho can be from here "survived! and nothing has been added here, except for super stores and so on. so sho you have to see once and then write. about the prices do not tell us everything is an order of magnitude higher salary lower and you say. hi
  20. Migari
    Migari 26 October 2013 13: 17
    +5
    "If China decides to invade Siberia, it will have to fight NATO." The headline alone says it is: Shit. And who is going to give something to someone? especially Siberia.
  21. borisow87
    borisow87 26 October 2013 13: 39
    +3
    all this garbage, Russia rests on oil and gas, and in Siberia there is a greater quantity of it, no one will yield to it
  22. sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 26 October 2013 13: 54
    +3
    At the time of the intervention, America and Europe (the Entente) had a desire to seize the lands of Russia and everything was already divided but! The times were different, the world was changing too quickly. Now it’s easier to take out raw materials for a bribe than to fight. repeat
  23. Daursky
    Daursky 26 October 2013 13: 54
    -1
    By the way: the population of Siberia and the Far East starting from Omsk.obl. just over 24 million and even in Chinese schools this territory is called temporarily occupied, at first I didn’t believe it until I talked with a Novosib student on the train. State Univ. from heaven, she fully confirmed this info and called me an invader. So in the long run, everything can be including the third world for the possession of these resources. And, who and with whom? I hope Russia by that time will be firmly on its feet and will give back to any aggressor!
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  24. pahom54
    pahom54 26 October 2013 13: 57
    +3
    Nonsense, verbiage ...
  25. ruslan207
    ruslan207 26 October 2013 13: 58
    +2
    Not the end of the world for a vehicle without Ukraine, there will be less discontent
  26. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 14: 07
    -4
    Quote: borisow87
    all this garbage, Russia rests on oil and gas, and in Siberia there is a greater quantity of it, no one will yield to it

    I will not touch on the problems of politics - I will try to convey to the public the following understanding of life: 1. Are there large battalions stationed in Siberia capable, at least, of defending against the Chinese army? The answer is NO. Even the intelligence of the Chinese army will not find that military brigade of mercenaries of the "new look" - they will scatter before they leave the military towns! 2. Conversations liberalists the possible surrender of Siberia to China is not out of nowhere, because there are forces in Muscovy who want this! I hope they have not forgotten how all sorts of "Views" on TV boxes "rinsed" the way of life in the USSR. Result - no USSR - at the "request" of the Muscovites. Maybe now the process of destruction of Russia is starting in Moscow too ?! And why not - the experience of the destruction of the USSR, through the TV box, IS !!!
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 26 October 2013 14: 25
      +2
      Quote: VI Kacheev
      ... Conversations liberalists about the possible surrender of Siberia to China not from scratch because they arise - that means there are forces in Moscow that want this! ...

      They, these conversations, have as their goal one task - to tear Russia from a strategic partnership with China.
      This story is over 15 years old. Somewhere else in the mid-90s, the Pentagon drained the desa through the media. It was published, allegedly, the most secret belay NATO action plan in case of Chinese military aggression against Russia. The plan "provided" assistance to Russia, etc.
      So, from about that time this company has been stretching to push Russia from China. In the interests of the United States, of course.
      Only misinformation was very "stupid". Our top of the military, even at the time of liberal kissing with the United States, did not believe her.
      The line, however, remains and will be relevant do-o-olgo. And many on this topic will get a lot of money.
      1. VI Kacheev
        VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 14: 55
        -3
        Quote: BigRiver
        ... Well, from about that time this company has been stretching to push Russia away from China ...

        Questions: 1. "Does China, as a state and a partner, need Russia which, in fact, [b]COLONY OF USA[/ b]? "China's striving for world hegemony is objective. Therefore, a clash with the United States, at least on the basis of contradictions in economic interests, is INEVITABLE! Which of Russia, for China, is a strategic ally in the" war "with the United States, if it [b ]THE COLONY[/ b] USA ?!
        2. "Why did not the President of Russia go to China, but the Prime Minister?" Maybe China [b] WAS NOT WANTED TO ACCEPT V.V. Putin? [/ B] Remember, at the extreme "gangway" of the BRICS, the guards of the President of Russia and the Minister of Foreign Affairs [b] were not allowed into the meeting room !!! [/ b] [b]This insult could happen without the consent of China - for sure![/ b] Ukraine sent Russia away and went to Europe !!! Here is another link in the chain of loss of respect for Russia! What race does an ally need if even people of its race - [b] Slavic !!! [/ b] do not want to have business with it?
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 26 October 2013 15: 46
          +1
          Quote: VI Kacheev

          1. "Does China, as a state and a partner, need Russia, which, in fact, [b]COLONY OF USA[/ b]? "China's striving for world hegemony is objective. Therefore, a clash with the United States, at least on the basis of contradictions in economic interests, is INEVITABLE! Which of Russia, for China, is a strategic ally in the" war "with the United States, if it [b ]THE COLONY[/ b] USA ?!
          2. "Why did not the President of Russia go to China, but the Prime Minister?" Maybe China [b] WAS NOT WANTED TO ACCEPT V.V. Putin? [/ B] Remember, at the extreme "gangway" of the BRICS, the guards of the President of Russia and the Minister of Foreign Affairs [b] were not allowed into the meeting room !!! [/ b] [b]This insult could happen without the consent of China - for sure![/ b] Ukraine sent Russia away and went to Europe !!! Here is another link in the chain of loss of respect for Russia! What race does an ally need if even people of its race - [b] Slavic !!! [/ b] do not want to have business with it?

          1. Decide on the terminology. Share what do you mean by "colony"?
          To facilitate, I give an introduction. Can a colony independently pursue its domestic and foreign policy, confront the metropolis at the international level, produce weapons and trade it with anyone, provide strategically important products to opponents of the metropolis?
          1.2. Justify the objectivity of China’s desire for world hegemony, relying on the political course of this state and its doctrine.
          1.3. The clash between China and the United States is inevitable not because of the desire for world hegemony of the first, but because of the strategic course of the second state.
          1.4. The fact that Russia and China are strategic PARTNERS is declared by the first persons of the state. For some reason, I am more inclined to believe them than you. Moreover, there are numerous confirmations to this.
          There is no talk of a strategic alliance yet.

          2. Obviously he is too often there: // I mean the President.
          2.2. It was not Ukraine that "sent" Russia and the Customs Union further away, but the oligarchy of Ukraine, whose interests are in Europe.
          2.3. I propose to change the vague term "race" to "people and state." Since the Russian people are not a race. And the Slavs in their pure form have long been gone.
          States and peoples need other states and peoples as partners and allies for their own survival and development, and not in order to look beautiful and "by concepts."
          1. VI Kacheev
            VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 16: 33
            -2
            Quote: BigRiver
            1. Decide on the terminology. Share what do you mean by "colony"?

            One of the important PRIMARY The signs of the colony is that the Russian Government FULFILLS the obligations of the so-called Washington Consensus, namely:
            1. Russia does not have a State Bank - the Central Bank of Russia is a private organization that puts into circulation that ruble equivalent, which is determined by the exchange rate of the ruble against the US dollar.
            2. For part of the proceeds from the sale of oil, MANDATORY ORDER Treasury bonds of the Fed (private organization) are purchased - FANTASY PAPER !!! Listed - LACK OF FINANCIAL Sovereignty of Russia. This is one of the signs of COLONIALISM.
            Quote: BigRiver
            1.3. The clash between China and the United States is inevitable not because of the desire for world hegemony of the first, but because of the strategic course of the second state.

            What difference does it make who or what will cause the collision - it will then explain WINNER! The main thing is in this inevitable clash, Russia, like a colony of the USA, PRINCIPLE CANNOT BE AN ALLIANCE OF CHINA !!!
            Quote: BigRiver

            1.4. The fact that Russia and China are strategic PARTNERS is declared by the first persons of the state. For some reason, I am more inclined to believe them than you. Moreover, there are numerous confirmations to this.

            We are not in the church - where does faith come from? There are no eternal allies in politics - there are only eternal interests - not my aphorism (but I don’t know the author)!
            Quote: BigRiver
            2.2. It was not Ukraine that "sent" Russia and the Customs Union further away, but the oligarchy of Ukraine, whose interests are in Europe.

            To clarify, the Ukrainian oligarchs did not want to be friends with the Muscovite oligarchs. But they say: "Ukraine sent Russia ..."
            Quote: BigRiver
            States and peoples need other states and peoples as partners and allies for their own survival and development, and not in order to look beautiful and "by concepts."

            Here, Russia, as a US colony, is ALLOWED to sell oil and gas to China - attention - FOR US DOLLARS !!! Part of the dollars AS A TRIBUTE, will return to the USA !!! Nothing personal just business!!!
            Controversy over the rest, SECONDARY issues, does not matter how important.
            1. Guun
              Guun 26 October 2013 16: 41
              +1
              Quote: V. I. Kacheev
              Here, Russia, as a US colony, is ALLOWED to sell oil and gas to China - attention - FOR US DOLLARS !!! Part of the dollars, as a tribute, will return to the USA !!! Nothing personal just business!!! Controversy over the rest, SECONDARY issues, does not matter how important.

              Well, actually, Russia and China are gradually but surely moving to the ruble - the yuan since 2010.
              1. VI Kacheev
                VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 17: 05
                0
                Quote: Guun
                Well, actually, Russia and China are gradually but surely moving to the ruble - the yuan since 2010.

                But not in oil and gas trading - the price in the contract, according to media publications, In US dollars. Why amers extra trouble - pay TRIBUTE in US dollars by buying Fed treasury bonds that are not sold for RMB. Yes, and China itself is buying FANTASY FRS - otherwise in the USA he will not sell his products!
            2. Bigriver
              Bigriver 26 October 2013 17: 32
              +3
              Quote: VI Kacheev
              One of the important PRIMARY colony signs is
              1. Russia does not have a State Bank - the Central Bank of Russia ...
              2. For part of the proceeds from the sale of oil, MANDATORY ORDER Treasury bonds of the Fed (private organization) are purchased - FANTASY PAPER !!! LACK OF FINANCIAL Sovereignty of Russia. This is one of the signs of COLONIALISM.
              What difference does it make who or what will cause the collision - it will then explain WINNER! The main thing is in this inevitable clash, Russia, like a colony of the USA, PRINCIPLE CANNOT BE AN ALLIANCE OF CHINA !!!
              We are not in the church - where does faith come from? There are no eternal allies in politics - there are only eternal interests - not my aphorism (but I don’t know the author)
              To clarify, the Ukrainian oligarchs did not want to be friends with the Muscovite oligarchs. But they say: "Ukraine sent Russia ..."
              Here, Russia, as a US colony, is ALLOWED to sell oil and gas to China - attention - FOR US DOLLARS !!! Part of the dollars AS A TRIBUTE, will return to the USA !!

              1. The first and most important sign of the colony is complete political and economic NON-independence (dependence on the metropolis). The rest is debatable.
              2. I will clarify again. We do not have a strategic alliance with China. There is a partnership. The very fact of such a partnership contradicts your statement about Russia's colonial dependence. Are you against "faith"? But, meanwhile, shout in large print yourself: "IN PRINCIPLE, IT CANNOT BE AN ALLY OF CHINA !!!" Apparently in response to China's proposal to Russia in February 2012 for a strategic alliance against the United States?
              3. Regarding Ukraine, I don’t understand why you got hooked?
              4. For the United States, it’s not so important for dollars or yuan. The ability to control China’s energy dependence is extremely important to them. They put a lot of effort in the Middle East to take China by the throat. But, all these efforts do not bring the proper result, while there is the possibility of diversifying the supply of resources.
              As for the return of $ to the United States ... Russia's purchase of US liabilities has been steadily declining for the past 3 years.
              PS Would you throw a scream caps lokom, huh? Also bold. Here, it does not impress anyone, and your argument does not become more convincing. On the contrary, it speaks of despair.
              1. VI Kacheev
                VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 18: 42
                -3
                Sorry for Caps Lock - yes, according to modern rules of correspondence on the Internet, this is customary. But I have such an old-fashioned way to emphasize the main thing.
                Quote: BigRiver
                1. The first and most important sign of the colony is complete political and economic NON-independence (dependence on the metropolis). The rest is debatable.

                Do you recognize the fact that Russia depends on the United States in the form of a Washington consensus? If you admit, then will it not be economic non-independence - in other words, Russia's dependence on the United States? And the fact that large companies from Russia are not under its jurisdiction, but are registered on some offshore islands, is this also a sign of Russia's economic independence? Is leaving the Lourdes base in Cuba (from an electronic intelligence center) a sign of political independence? You can still list a bunch of other facts.
                We buy less Fed wrappers - hooray - not a colony already? It doesn’t matter what we continue to buy, but it’s important that it’s less - which heroes, and Russia is no longer a colony! And the refusal to buy Fed wrappers in general will be a political defeat for Russia ?! So, in the foreseeable future we will not refuse to buy Fed wrappers? Refuse when both gas and oil run out ?!
                Quote: BigRiver
                3. Regarding Ukraine, I don’t understand why you got hooked?

                The departure of Ukraine to the EU is a complete fiasco of the Muscovite policy! This dislike of the Ukrainians in the pits was historical - Kiev was already Stolnoy Grad when Muscovy sat in the forests of the dense.
                Quote: BigRiver
                4. For the United States, it’s not so important for dollars or yuan. The ability to control China’s energy dependence is extremely important to them.

                So contracts for the sale of oil to the RMB to China would be concluded - what's the problem ?!
                1. Bigriver
                  Bigriver 26 October 2013 19: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: VI Kacheev
                  Do you recognize the fact that Russia depends on the United States in the form of a Washington consensus? If you admit, then will it not be economic non-independence - in other words, Russia's dependence on the United States? Is leaving the Lourdes base in Cuba (from an electronic intelligence center) a sign of political independence?
                  The departure of Ukraine to the EU is a complete fiasco of the Muscovite policy! This dislike of the Ukrainians in the pits was historical - Kiev was already Stolnoy Grad when Muscovy sat in the forests of the dense.
                  So contracts for the sale of oil to the RMB to China would be concluded - what's the problem ?!

                  I recognize the political and economic independence of Russia. I see an increase in its role in the international arena.
                  If you mention Lourdes, you must remember when we broke up with her and why. You can recall Camran. And for the correctness of the mentioned, it can be clarified that in recent years we have been working on issues of returning to these bases.
                  In the departure of Ukraine to one famous place, I do not see any fiasco of some Muscovites unknown to me. I see something else - the tragedy of the Ukrainian people and the complete isolation of the Ukrainian elite from this people.
                  Regarding hostility? .. It’s hard for me to judge her, I don’t do sociology. But, when they say about Stolniy Grad Kiev and some kind of Muscovy sitting in the woods, I see that those who speak nifig are not familiar with the history of the Russian state.
                  I also see the desire to manipulate others with my Idea. Obviously this comes from underestimating the knowledge of others winked
                  About yuan oil ...
                  It will be a little more complicated there, and not only for the yuan.
                  1. VI Kacheev
                    VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 20: 22
                    -4
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    If you mention Lourdes, you must remember when we broke up with her and why.

                    Russia left, and China quickly settled there - it installed its equipment in the same building and "listens" to Uncle Sam's conversations!
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    I see something else - the tragedy of the Ukrainian people and the complete isolation of the Ukrainian elite from this people.

                    That's about the tragedy of the Ukrainian people is not necessary - who would become a political suicide, if most of the Ukrainians were against ?!
                    Yes, let them go to the EU - now, for this entrance, they will bring Gypsies from all over Europe! Even then they will not need to be spared - this is their choice.
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    But, when they say about Stolniy Grad Kiev and some kind of Muscovy sitting in the woods, I see that those who speak nifig are not familiar with the history of the Russian state.

                    There was no Russian state then! On the map of the 18th century, from the British Encyclopedia, was the Principality of Moscow (Muscovy).
                    And the territory of present Siberia, as well as part of China, is designated by one state - the Great Tartaria! Great Tartaria has no connection with the name of the present Tataria, as part of the Russian Federation!
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    About yuan oil ...
                    It will be a little more complicated there, and not only for the yuan.

                    What are the difficulties ?! If two equal and independent, politically, entities conclude an agreement, then why is the intermediary currency in the form of the US dollar ?!
                    Even in our Siberian darkness-cockroach there is a bank that works with the yuan! But in Moscow there is no such bank ?!
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    I also see the desire to manipulate others with my Idea.

                    What kind of manipulation is it? Deputy Fedorov has long told and filmed about the Russia-colony of the USA and about the fighter V.V. Putin for the abolition of colonial dependence! In Siberia, there is also the Internet.
                    As one respected person said at a meeting with Moscow engineers: "Since the time of the Tsar-Pea, fools have not been exiled to Siberia - they all remained in Muscovy!" After that, all technical problems for a new product were solved as suggested by Siberian engineers!
  27. Rus2012
    Rus2012 26 October 2013 14: 09
    +4
    How well it is written "If China decides to invade Siberia, it will have to fight NATO ... laughing Like, they will protect us ...
    I want to ask with what kind of NATO, which is from geyevropy?

    If this didn’t work out, they promise us, and when the time comes, they will face China and wash their hands, as has always happened ...
    Those. we will be cannon fodder and donkey for slaughter for their interests. Is it very NADO for us?
    That they went cancer along China ... :)

    We will go the other way ...;)))))))))))
  28. voliador
    voliador 26 October 2013 14: 15
    +3
    But we’ve been divided for centuries, and so far all the dealers have cracked their teeth.
  29. Stinger
    Stinger 26 October 2013 14: 55
    -1
    They will not send any troops. They will simply leak out in small gupps of 4-5 million annually.
  30. USMC
    USMC 26 October 2013 14: 57
    -10 qualifying.
    It would be nice if both Russia and China broke up! US needs to take more seriously the issue of financing separatism in this region
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 15: 11
      +2
      Harvard's best luminaries are constantly engaged in this, the process is ongoing, but the essence and mechanics of this process are a separate issue.
      Quote: USMC
      It would be nice if both Russia and China broke up!
      And what’s good, it means the absence of constitutional norms, gangs with Kalash go around the country. They have the mandate to go to any apartment and go there according to the laws of the war or in accordance with the revolutionary situation. Not bad, not bad, Bendera applauding standing
      1. USMC
        USMC 26 October 2013 18: 32
        -2
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        And what’s good, it means the absence of constitutional norms, gangs with Kalash go around the country. They have the mandate to go to any apartment and go there according to the laws of the war or in accordance with the revolutionary situation. Not bad, not bad, Bendera applauding standing

        nothing personal, just politics. I personally like the hegemony of the USA in the world more than the possibility of this role in China. and the imperial ways of Russia and its interference in the politics of neighboring countries will also cease if it collapses. you sleep and see yourself as rulers of all Slavic peoples, but someone wants that a country like Russia would not be on the political map of the world
  31. individual
    individual 26 October 2013 15: 03
    +3
    Strange, provocative publication.
    With what fright behind Russia's back NATO will fight with China for the mythical "unsubscribe" of the territory of the US Far East.
    A reference please.
    There is no link and never will be.
    Since this is a provocation against Russia.
  32. sssss018
    sssss018 26 October 2013 15: 10
    +2
    This is actually our land! What NATO, what China, we will stand up and go!
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 17
      +1
      That's right, China will attack, let's go to war, we don’t like our rapprochement, it is profitable to pit us, in the war we will weaken each other, we will eliminate nuclear weapons. Divide and rule
  33. chenia
    chenia 26 October 2013 15: 30
    +2
    Quote: Old Rocketman
    There will be no war with China and NATO does not shine in Siberia. The Chinese are not stupid, and they and we are well aware that the war between us will end in the deaths of both states, and America will dance on our bones. Rather, our alliance with China against the United States and NATO, behind the scenes it already seems to be acting.


    That's right, the Chinese are not stupid. They understand that they have become in the throat of the United States (after some time they will be able to crush the United States economically). And the latter will do everything to break China.

    But China is not a multinational USSR (or rather, there are many national minorities, but in comparison with the number of Chinese, consider an almost mono-ethnic state).

    The Chinese elite, (intelligentsia, business) is patriotic, stable power, with ideology, tough, concentrated in a small circle (and pursues a policy of social justice - slowly, really), and even the Chinese emigration, these are primarily Chinese.

    Of course, Americans could find contradictions and start rocking Chinese society, but this takes a lot of time. And they should not break China even today, but yesterday.
    Otherwise, they themselves will turn into a solid Detroit.

    And what to do? (they have already begun to base China bases).
    Well and further what the Britons did - bleeding the USSR with Germany, i.e. Now Russia with China.

    And China in this situation (I do not idealize them, in a certain situation, and they would have taken a chance to stare at someone else's loaf), everything will be done to cover the rear, and to have a reliable ally there.
    They are a hundred times more profitable to cooperate with Russia than to get a terrible enemy.
    1. VI Kacheev
      VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 17: 34
      -1
      Quote: chenia
      And China in this situation (I do not idealize them, in a certain situation, and they would have taken a chance to stare at someone else's loaf), everything will be done to cover the rear, and to have a reliable ally there.

      And what is the threat to China from the rear of Russia ?! In Siberia, there are large battalions that are capable of ON EQUAL fight the Chinese army?
      Impossibility for Russia, BASICALLY, I have justified being a STRATEGIC PARTNER of the USA above - in my opinion it is reasoned. But who knows who will write in the articles and talk politicians ?!
      1. 31231
        31231 26 October 2013 18: 06
        +1

        And what is the threat to China from the rear of Russia ?! In Siberia, there are large battalions that are capable of fighting on equal terms with the Chinese army?


        And that we have canceled ICBMs and tactical missiles?
        1. VI Kacheev
          VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 19: 11
          -1
          Nobody has canceled ICBMs - only they will not be enough at the same time for China and the United States. Tactical missiles do not play a role - they are battlefield weapons. But for medium-range missiles, the ratio, it seems, is not in favor of Russia - they were reduced under contracts with the United States. While China increased the production of such missiles. In the zone of their defeat is Moscow. Unacceptable damage to Russia from such missiles, and for China, with a population of more than 1 billion, is a small bite. The mobilization reserves of China, in terms of manpower, are comparable with the population of Russia. Where is the military threat to China - from Russia?
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 26 October 2013 19: 46
            0
            Here you are right, China has no threshold for unacceptable losses. They can crush with a number, like ants.
          2. yur
            yur 26 October 2013 22: 09
            +1
            Sorry, but you are a dilettante or a provocateur. How can Moscow be in the zone of impact from Chinese medium-range missiles? If you are too lazy to dig into the reference books, then at least use a crowbar on the map. Regarding the fact that "ICBMs will not be enough for both China and the United States," so many of them are not needed: 10 ICBMs that broke through to the 10 largest cities and ... will do the rest. panic. In general, I am sure that we will be friends with China - just as neighbors or against someone, but we will. I think so.
            1. VI Kacheev
              VI Kacheev 27 October 2013 05: 37
              0
              Quote: yur
              Sorry, but you are an amateur or a provocateur. How can it be in the zone of destruction from Chinese medium-range missiles Moscow? If you are too lazy to dig into the directories, then at least figure it out with a card mount.

              Link: http://www.kap-yar.ru/index.php?pg=233
              Development of the USSR in 1958 - Medium-range ballistic missile R-14 8K65, R-14U 8K65U SS-5 "Scean". The maximum firing range is 4500 km. The distance from Ulan Bator to Moscow (in a straight line) is 4648 km. China, in latitude, has approximately the same extreme northern point on the border with Russia. The distance from Beijing to Moscow (in a straight line) is greater, but after all, the positional areas of the RSD are not near Beijing, but at the extreme northern points with Russia! But this is data on the range of a product developed in the USSR in 1958. The mobile Topol-M fires at 11000 km. Of course, this is not an RSD - just for comparison in terms of firing range and comparable starting weight - the difference in progress over the years. Where is the provocation or amateurism ?!
              Quote: yur
              In general, I am sure that we will be friends with China, just like neighbors or against someone, but we will. I think so.

              Fantasize on the topic of friendship between the Chinese and Russian peoples it was permissible until 1953 - that year, I.V. Stalin died. Then life corrected - on Damansky Island, which is now the territory of China - both de jure and de facto !!!
          3. 31231
            31231 26 October 2013 22: 34
            0
            Yes, a rare nonsense about "small bite" and "acceptable" losses. Okay, at least piezo-eyed and star-mattress Napoleons do not have such.
            Advice is not great, do not project computer strategies on life.
            1. VI Kacheev
              VI Kacheev 27 October 2013 06: 06
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              Yes, a rare nonsense about "small bite" and "acceptable" losses.

              The term "unacceptable losses" is not from computer games but from military theory. Yes, theoretical reasoning about possible losses is displayed on paper (graphs, maps of military battles and battles, etc.). And then everything is generalized - a certain document is obtained, which is a reference book for the country's political leadership. It's kind of like "adult games"! Even game theory has been developed!
              About how life corrects theories, look at the comment above - about Damansky Island!
  34. asadov
    asadov 26 October 2013 15: 33
    +2
    Of the entire article, only the last sentence is correct and true. "The revival of the Far East, Siberia is a task of fundamental importance." The rest is verbal rubbish.
  35. 31231
    31231 26 October 2013 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: Joker
    What are the US sanctions against China. Will stay with bare opoy

    Elementary, they will close their production there and that's it. Millions of Chinese workers will be on the street, here are the sanctions.


    Transnational companies with production in China spat on all of these US political sanctions. Business and only business.
  36. serge
    serge 26 October 2013 16: 37
    +2
    Russia has no friends or allies. Neither in NATO nor in China. Our friends, as always, are the army and navy.
  37. George Siberia
    George Siberia 26 October 2013 17: 18
    0
    How many naive remarks that China does not need Siberia and the Far East!

    Clever men with pink glasses on his eyes! - Have you ever been to China? ..
    Do you know what ecology is there and what is the lack of clean water there ?!
    Understanding that the proven oil and gas resources of Siberia were assigned to the USA and Western Europe, the Chinese, as the Russian elders warned (http://tvspas.ru/publ/3/predskazanija_i_prorochestva_russkikh_starcev/5-1-0-61)


    will declare this territory their own ("one morning the Russian people living in Siberia will wake up ... in the Chinese state" ..)

    While Russia is degrading (the Unified State Exam, "reforms" of higher education, the army ..., the destruction of industry (the basis of the foundations - machine-tool industry - is completely destroyed)) China is modernizing ..
    1. 31231
      31231 26 October 2013 18: 11
      +1
      Clever men with pink glasses on his eyes! - Have you ever been to China? ..
      Do you know what ecology is there and what is the lack of clean water there ?!
      Realizing that the proven oil and gas resources of Siberia were assigned to the United States and Western Europe, the Chinese, as the Russian elders warned


      But you see George not only been there, but also had a rest with Xi Jinping in the sauna and had private conversations.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 26 October 2013 22: 45
        0
        Quote: 31231
        But you see George not only been there, but also had a rest with Xi Jinping in the sauna and had private conversations.

        And you Muscovites can only be ironic, China is far away "like Beijing with cancer" ...
        1. 31231
          31231 26 October 2013 23: 18
          0
          I’m kind of from the Urals, if that.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 27 October 2013 05: 00
            0
            Quote: 31231
            I’m kind of from the Urals, if that.

            In any case, you will not be affected ... And every night I watch the glow from Chinese greenhouses. They built a pancake, while everyone knows how they grow vegetables, how much chemistry they pour there, how many people complained about how they spoil the land, and the authorities are ... This is Novosibirsk, not Blagoveshchensk ... It is populated slowly, and all supposedly not notice ...
  38. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 26 October 2013 17: 52
    +2
    If China decides to seize Siberia, he will have to fight with NATO

    This article is one of the many test balls to teach us to think that Russia is no longer there. That we do not decide anything. Unfortunately, many forum users were led by this provocation.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 26 October 2013 18: 21
      0
      Nothing new- Helmut Schmidt, Chancellor of West Germany, talked
      about USSR as "Upper Volta With Nuclear Weapons" when he visited the USSR in the late 1970's. But if the Soviet Union was then accurately characterized as 'Upper Volta with nuclear weapons', Russia of today is much smaller, poorer and so on. But if we take any mainstream Russian publication and read articles dealing with foreign policy matters, they will mostly be full of crap, bitterness, complaints, irritation, poison and hostility toward the West. This despite the fact that most of the authors like to spend as much time as possible in Western capitals and Western resorts, keep their money in Western banks, and send their children to study in Western schools and universities. As a result it seems like most of western countries don't take Russia as partners or allies, but like "upper Volta. Sad, but true.
      1. KuzmichDP
        KuzmichDP 26 October 2013 20: 41
        0
        Dear, in Russian, please write and communicate, including in the Cyrillic alphabet, otherwise the site is still Russian, and many users and readers of this site do not understand you with your ENGLISH FENY AND MOVA ... .Something like that, HOWEVER ... !!!
        1. Olhik007
          Olhik007 26 October 2013 21: 42
          +1
          Sorry, text translation from NU DAAA
          Nothing New - Helmut Schmidt, Chancellor of West Germany, Talked
          about the USSR as "Upper Volta With Nuclear Weapons" when he came to the USSR in the late 1970s. But if the Soviet Union was then accurately described as "Upper Volta with nuclear weapons", Russia today is much smaller, poorer, and so on. But if we take any major Russian publications and read articles on foreign policy issues, they, in many ways, will be full, bitterness, complaints, annoyance, poison and hostility towards the West.And this despite the fact that most authors, in order to spend as much time as possible in Western capitals and western resorts, keep their money in Western banks, and send their children to study in Western schools and universities. As a result, it seems that most Western countries do not accept Russia as partners or allies, but like the "upper volta." Sad but true.
  39. 31231
    31231 26 October 2013 18: 04
    +1
    Quote: Samy
    Complete nonsense. In Heilongjiang, Jilin, Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang, extensive and modern road networks and a developed railway network have been created. All this has been done in the last 10 years. But the author lies in another, the lands of Siberia and Far East are not sold to Americans. DV is not abandoned and is being built and settled. Let not so fast, but work is going on. The fact that it needs to be accelerated is obvious, but no DV has abandoned it. China in the foreseeable future will not go north in any case, but this has already been explained in detail why, too lazy to repeat.


    I completely agree with you.
    Quote: V. I. Kacheev
    But not in oil and gas trade - the price is in the contract, according to media publications, in US dollars.

    Quote: V. I. Kacheev
    But not in oil and gas trade - the price is in the contract, according to media publications, in US dollars. Why amers need extra trouble - pay a DUTY in US dollars by buying the Fed's treasury bonds, which


    Have you tried to change Russian rubles in China or Tae ?! They take it with pleasure. But the most interesting thing is that when I tried to exchange yuan and baht back into rubles, most of them said "nemae!"
    1. VI Kacheev
      VI Kacheev 26 October 2013 19: 42
      0
      Quote: 31231
      Have you tried to change Russian rubles in China or Tae ?! They take it with pleasure. But the most interesting thing is that when I tried to exchange yuan and baht back into rubles, most of them said "nemae!"

      I did not change rubles to yuan - I changed euros to yuan. I brought the rest of the yuan home. And now, even in our Siberian dark-cockroach (regional center), a bank has appeared that works with yuan. I’m thinking about changing "coffin" in euros to "coffin" in yuan ?! The yuan's exchange rate against the ruble is constantly (albeit slowly) growing. And when the Chinese comes to Siberia, I will tell them: "I've been waiting for you for a long time - I even have an account in yuan!" The joke-humor, of course, is not very good. But what choice - to die in Siberia, ruled by traitors and thieving half-witted Muscovites, or to take up arms and argue with the Chinese ?! At least you will know that you did not die under the fence! So and so bury in the ground! What difference does it make - in which grave to lie - in a brotherly or "personal" one ?!
  40. chenia
    chenia 26 October 2013 20: 30
    +2
    Quote: Georgy Siberia
    How many naive remarks that China does not need Siberia and the Far East!


    Don’t strain yourself like that! And so it is clear that all Russia's neighbors are just waiting to tear off a tidbit.
    Well, there is an option when, instead of a sweet piece, you have to digest your own teeth with a jaw and the remnants, again, of your own brain.

    The question is different, China has swung at economic dominance in the world and the states are not in a condition to stop this expansion economically.

    But the states should do something. Well, it is very tempting to push China and Russia.
    Firstly, to show (by hook or by crook) the unbridled desire of China to get the Far East and Siberia.

    Secondly, to offer help (and turn it, they will sincerely help Russia - as it once was against China against the USSR). (So Zbignev suddenly became a Russophile - strange however)

    Well, through our elite (imbued with Western values ​​- the form of property and real estate in the same West - here it is the unity of the spiritual and material) to get involved in a good slaughter.
    And I’ll tell you, in this scenario, China will be completely defeated (and the demography will be corrected there). And all that remains of Russia will protect the natural resources of the world ..
  41. negeroi
    negeroi 26 October 2013 20: 30
    +1
    We really have someone to be afraid of. And China is definitely on the top five list of competitors. So what? And when it was different? Well, yes, it was different a hundred years ago, the uprising of boxers. But then, instead of China, allies were friends and not very, France and Germany, Turkey and Austria-Hungary and the Eternal Enemy of Britain. Are there fewer of them now? We are being thoroughly pitted with China, because Germany seems no longer possible. But the agents of influence are full, as well as frank pensioners writing for our sworn friends.
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  43. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 26 October 2013 20: 49
    +1
    Albats-article - exaggeration of the topic of Siberia and the Far East in isolation from Russia - is an obvious provocation and stupidity of empty talkers-madmen. An official from these regions of the Russian Federation said with bravado: - "You have in Russia ....."; must be fired immediately for undermining national security.
  44. tank64rus
    tank64rus 26 October 2013 21: 26
    0
    It is time in the country to establish an elementary order, and to drive all liberals from all structures with a filthy broom, otherwise all these gloomy forecasts will become a grim reality.
  45. Nayhas
    Nayhas 26 October 2013 22: 58
    0
    The assumption that the US seeks to push Russia and China against is complete nonsense. Russia does not have the strength and means to confront China, except for the "doomsday" weapon after the use of which Siberia and the Far East will not be of interest to anyone for millions of years, if at all life on earth will remain. And Washington is not stupid to not understand this, but they also understand that in time the Far East and Siberia will go to China, if not tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow. If anyone has forgotten, but on this resource just the other day they quoted an article from a Chinese newspaper, not a private one, but a state one (in my opinion, this is the most important) about the wars that await China in the future. It was specifically said about Siberia there. The one that is not worth building illusions, not by washing like that, and they will stir off Siberia and the Far East.
  46. wolf1945
    wolf1945 26 October 2013 23: 56
    0
    it will take 10 years 15 and China will be a super power!
  47. habalog
    habalog 27 October 2013 12: 05
    +1
    Article "-"
    I will explain:
    The EAC, which the author mentions at the beginning of the article, is a means and not an end in itself. What is the purpose of the unification is a matter of broad and deep discussion. But, in your lines, creating an image of disasters from the West (Ukraine turned away, Old Man is just about ..), you seem to be offering a way out: "We are running to the East." Then you yourself put up a wall in the form of fears and passions. What for? What is the purpose of the article? That we are overlaid on all sides? So the most dangerous enemies are not outside, they are inside us. And their name is cowardice and indifference. Overcome them - external "partners" will become silk.

    Quote: Victor Martynyuk
    if suddenly China really wants to take possession of the current Russian lands ...
    Oh, if only yes! We will send to Peter wink
  48. SV
    SV 27 October 2013 17: 10
    0
    Far East and Siberia (if you do not take into account Vladik in which they really invested) are developing not thanks to but in spite of - or rather slowly regressing. Many people are ready to leave for the European part of Russia, because living conditions (I don't mean climate) are incommensurable. You just need to open vacancies in the Krasnodar Territory and Krasnoyarsky (and the cost of living with the prevalence of negative average annual temperatures is higher). The situation is antler and worsening. In this light, the expansion of both China and mattress toppers is obvious. It is unlikely that it will be of a military nature (we already discussed a couple of months ago), but “nature abhors a vacuum,” and one ethnic group will be replaced by another. if you do not take radical measures (for example - the opening of the same state. enterprises not in Stavropol, Kuban, but Novosibirsk, Irkutsk regions, Krasnoyarsk Territory, etc.) - well, this is for specialists.
  49. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 27 October 2013 22: 40
    -1
    Yes, China has already taken over the whole world. They brought me from Paris a figurine of an equestrian musketeer, bought in a company store, so I started to play, lo and behold, and on the horse's ass there was a brand of "made in china".
  50. studentmati
    studentmati 27 October 2013 23: 40
    0
    Only a policy of demographic priority, aimed at tripling at least the Russian population, will save the territorial integrity of Russia.