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Media: The United States considered the test launch of Topol ICBM as a violation of the INF Treaty

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The US authorities are concerned about the conduct of Russian intercontinental ballistic missile tests (ICBM) RS-12M Topol (SS-25), which were carried out at the testing ground near Astrakhan on October 10, foreign media reported.


The reason was the fear that Russia is launching an ICBM bypassing the agreement on the elimination of medium-range and shorter-range missiles 1987 of the year, US officials say.

According to them, the launch of Topol ICBMs at a range of 3,2 thousand kilometers directly indicates that the production and testing of this type of rocket may be prohibited under the INF Treaty.

According to FreeBeacon, the claims also lie in the fact that Russia did not notify the international group of the Hague Code of Conduct (International Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation) of the upcoming launch.

The publication indicates that the test flight was the fourth in the last two years, carried out by the Russian Defense Ministry in violation of the INF Treaty, which prohibits nuclear missiles with a range from 500 to 5,5 thousand kilometers.

Recall that the launch of the RS-12M Topol ICBM was held on October 10 at the Kapustin Yar test site with a crew of the Strategic Missile Forces at 17.39 Moscow time as part of testing new combat equipment.

The launch objectives were "confirming the stability of the main flight-technical characteristics of missiles of this class during the extended service life periods, working out measuring instruments for measuring complexes of various types, testing the combat equipment of intercontinental ballistic missiles."

“The missile training combat unit struck a conventional target at a given accuracy at the Sary-Shagan test site in Kazakhstan. The tasks of the test launch are completed in full, ”the Ministry of Defense noted.

It is noteworthy that the flying rocket was visible in the sky over Yekaterinburg, which caused a resonance among local users of social networks. Some of them took the rocket for a falling meteorite.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 25 October 2013 10: 51
    172
    It is time to withdraw from this treaty, as they withdrew from the ABM Treaty. We need rockets, and we will test them. It's time to think about the security of Russia, and not about the well-being of the states.
    1. Shkodnick
      Shkodnick 25 October 2013 11: 03
      11
      This will only give an occasion to the states to place their canned rsd in europe ...
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 25 October 2013 11: 12
        87
        The US never complied with the treaty, only created visibility. They do what they want. And they are trying to teach us life. When our rockets were disposed of, they canned their own.
        1. KEKS44
          KEKS44 25 October 2013 15: 32
          14
          Quote: Siberian
          The US never complied with the treaty

          Strange you man however wink They can, because Americans are an EXCLUSIVE NATION!
          1. Siberian
            Siberian 25 October 2013 16: 36
            +6
            Yes, yes Alex winked They are an EXCLUSIVE NATION! And we Russians, where already there. face did not come out. For humor Lech drinks good
          2. KEKS44
            KEKS44 25 October 2013 16: 42
            +9
            I will add to the above that we put with a parting on their EXCLUSIVITY.
            1. Siberian
              Siberian 25 October 2013 16: 45
              +2
              Well done!!! fellow
          3. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 25 October 2013 17: 05
            18
            Quote: KEKS44
            They can, because Americans are an EXCLUSIVE NATION!

            I was in the States a few years ago. One day they had some kind of holiday - "Father's Day".
            On TV, they showed bravura war stories and there was an inscription in the corner of the screen: "We are the greatest nation on earth."
            In this regard, everything is fine-tuned: propaganda, brainwashing. As an example: American flags are absolutely hanging everywhere.
            The Turks, by the way, are also well done: also flags all over the country.

            By the way, are there competent Internet PR specialists here? I suggest that the whole Internet community in the Kuril Islands put up their masts and put up large Russian flags so that the Japs can see them without binoculars.
            1. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. 25 October 2013 22: 27
              +2
              You can draw with a laser "Russia begins here" Or "Hai" for you.
            2. jjj
              jjj 26 October 2013 01: 07
              +6
              And we made it cooler. The nuclear-powered icebreaker "50 Let Pobedy" made it from Murmansk to Polyus in four days. Right on the "crown" they lit a bowl with the fire of the Sochi Olympics. There were representatives from all Arctic countries. And everyone took it for granted that Russia lit the fire of its Olympics at its Pole. And the TV commentator emphasized that there, at the bottom, the Flag of Russia was installed
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 25 October 2013 22: 03
            +6
            Quote: KEKS44
            They can, because Americans are an EXCLUSIVE NATION!

            If they continue to behave this way, they can become an EXCLUDED nation. And EXCLUDE, apparently, we have to with China and India. As always: in Russian - for three!
          5. wk-083
            wk-083 26 October 2013 04: 15
            +2
            Yes, they are an exceptionally cunning ass nation!
        2. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 22
          16
          that's why there’s no need to go out of anything, but stupidly continue to create visibility ...

          Well, what will they do if we continue the tests? will sue us?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 25 October 2013 16: 29
            +6
            Well, what will they do if we continue the tests? will sue us?

            Abide! And they will try to punish with economic sanctions.
            And if you completely eat mushrooms, they will declare Putin’s tyrant regime and lack of democracy. And they will come to establish it for us. But this is a lot of mushrooms needed.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 40
              +5
              And they will try to punish with economic sanctions.


              they cannot ... they don’t have such sanctions that may be scary for us, as practice has shown laughing


              And they will come to establish it for us. But this is a lot of mushrooms needed.


              but on this, I would probably look ... with beer and chips drinks
              1. Kolovrat77
                Kolovrat77 25 October 2013 18: 44
                +1
                Quote: DanaF1
                but on this, I would probably look ... with beer and chips


                may have .... through the optics .... with a seagull and dry up ..... in a sweaty lump and ..... maybe in the OZK. drinks
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 19: 57
                  0
                  I think it’s not going to reach the OZK, so many mushrooms have not yet been grown bully
                  1. Kolovrat77
                    Kolovrat77 25 October 2013 20: 28
                    +6
                    depending on what mushrooms. There are funnier fungi than in amsterdam. Hiroshima ordinary mushroom. Extraordinary new mushroom (kuzkina mother (mat kuzmi)). They grow up quickly hope that only unexpectedly (on our part).
                    1. Danafxnumx
                      Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 20: 30
                      +3
                      I like Semipalatinsk more am
                      1. Kolovrat77
                        Kolovrat77 25 October 2013 20: 39
                        0
                        Yes, I, too, would like this Kazakh foolishness to push the Indians in full (the whole world is in ruins).
                      2. Basarev
                        Basarev 25 October 2013 21: 28
                        +3
                        There is also Taimyr - especially picky
            2. Simon
              Simon 25 October 2013 19: 35
              0
              So we toss them our mushrooms. We have pale grebes and fly agaric.
            3. papik09
              papik09 26 October 2013 05: 19
              +1
              "And they will try to punish with economic sanctions."
              The "sanction" has not grown yet ... wassat
            4. F117
              F117 27 October 2013 19: 33
              0
              even all over the world there aren’t so many mushrooms. Although, if there was an opportunity, I would personally cook potatoes with mushrooms every day at the White House.
          2. papik09
            papik09 26 October 2013 05: 17
            0
            "Well, what will they do if we continue testing?"
            Po 3,14 sit and stop am laughing . But tests need to be done. soldier
        3. Politician
          Politician 25 October 2013 17: 46
          +1
          I completely agree with you! 371 contract concluded with Native Americans by the US government has been violated!
        4. AVV
          AVV 25 October 2013 20: 50
          +2
          The states themselves violated the agreement on the RMND, let them make claims against themselves !!! There is nothing to look at mattresses, our safety is more important !!!
      2. Airman
        Airman 25 October 2013 11: 30
        30
        Quote: Shkodnick
        This will only give an occasion to the states to place their canned rsd in europe ...

        They canned, and our feeble-minded people cut them up and blew them up, "thanks" to the hunchback.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 25 October 2013 11: 54
          29
          Quote: Povshnik
          They canned, and our feeble-minded people cut them up and blew them up, "thanks" to the hunchback.

          This is not dementia, but betrayal, but by the way, one does not interfere with the other
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 25 October 2013 12: 07
            49
            This is how the "traitorous" Putin government acts ...

            "The Presidium of the Supreme Court of Russia made an unprecedented decision: not to obey the decision of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) regarding the case of Alexei Pichugin, a Yukos employee.

            At the same time, Russia announced that it would not obey the decision of the UN International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea regarding the seizure of the Greenpeace ship and its crew, since it does not recognize the legitimacy of this tribunal in principle. "
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 25 October 2013 12: 22
              44
              Already Europe .. sent to? If true, it pleases.
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 25 October 2013 13: 02
                +7
                Already Europe .. sent to? If true, it pleases.

                Strange, but then sho-then this news minus? request
                1. Onyx
                  Onyx 25 October 2013 13: 09
                  +9
                  Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                  Strange, but then sho-then this news minus?

                  Most likely, they read the headline without noticing the quotes, and then they don’t read
                2. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 25 October 2013 13: 13
                  +5
                  I do not know. Maybe they do not believe their happiness? wink
                  1. Ivan_Ivanov
                    Ivan_Ivanov 25 October 2013 13: 16
                    +4
                    The war is on all fronts. Lost Onishchenko, won here.
                    1. Jaros81
                      Jaros81 25 October 2013 13: 54
                      +7
                      WMD will not go away !!!!
              2. Simon
                Simon 25 October 2013 19: 48
                +3
                Soon we will come to The Hague, kick the door open and pound the table with a fist, and they will hide under the table. So that our time is coming. laughing
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 25 October 2013 21: 33
                  +1
                  But in general, in a good way, back in 1962, they should hit as it should on these arachnids
            2. Deniska
              Deniska 25 October 2013 13: 49
              10
              yes "wrong" did it was necessary to sink and nah..r this GRINPIS ...
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 26
                +4
                Schaub, they got off so easily?

                nothing, they’ll sit somewhere in Chuvashia for a couple of years ...
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 25 October 2013 16: 31
                  +9
                  Yeah, nature is protected at the same time. The trees will be planted there ... in the winter they will feed the beast ...
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 41
                    +4
                    in general, it would be nice to send them to the taiga, to cut down the forest ...

                    imagine what echoools cognitive dissonance will come lol
                2. papik09
                  papik09 26 October 2013 05: 24
                  0
                  I think that a couple of years is not enough. Piracy after all. And the pirates, finally, they hung on the streets, sir. winked
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 26 October 2013 13: 22
                    0
                    they were retrained for hooliganism ...
            3. carbofo
              carbofo 25 October 2013 16: 43
              -16 qualifying.
              Ivan_Ivanov
              Soon you will be praying for something to return, but it will be later.
              In the meantime, believe your rulers who have already sold the country to enemies.
              1. Onyx
                Onyx 25 October 2013 16: 48
                +2
                Quote: carbofo
                Ivan_Ivanov
                Soon you will be praying for something to return, but it will be later.
                In the meantime, believe your rulers who have already sold the country to enemies.

                Who and what has sold, is it possible in more detail?
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 25 October 2013 17: 31
                  +2
                  Kraintsy have already sold a lot of things cheaply, and continue to develop the theme, there is no end in sight, no more people here!
                  Well, for example, they put the air defense missile systems on alert directly to the war with Georgia!
                  They profiled the contract, the plant and those documentation for the Zubr DKVP.
              2. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 51
                +1
                Soon you will be praying for something to return, but it will be later.
                In the meantime, believe your rulers who have already sold the country to enemies.


                what pathos! negative

                from a strain you will not burst?
                1. carbofo
                  carbofo 25 October 2013 17: 35
                  0
                  Where am I to you, with a triple etching valve.
                  However, I was somewhat mistaken, it was necessary to quote what I answered, and it seems that as a counterweight I get de jure.
                  And Ava is strange, what does Henrietta have to do with it.
                  I have an exclusive T-shirt with her :)
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 17: 55
                    +6
                    It’s always nice to know who you are talking to and what his approximate age is. laughing

                    I'm glad that you like anime cartoons, now I know what this girl’s name is ...
                    1. carbofo
                      carbofo 25 October 2013 18: 58
                      -3
                      So what is my age?
                      1. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 19: 59
                        0
                        I think around 20 ... maybe less ...
                      2. carbofo
                        carbofo 25 October 2013 21: 21
                        +1
                        Alas, they made a mistake almost 2 times, minus of course.
                        And the fact that I watch sometimes anime, I'm curious.
                        Even my niece, who is 2 times younger than me, was surprised that I watched Chobits, still watched FMP, Lost Memories, much more, including Miyazaki's masterpieces.
                        I even watched "Galaxy thx 13XXX" from George Lucas, it's rare nonsense, but the fact remains.
                        In general, boys always remain boys, I often watch my fellow kindergarten as a doctor in a ward of madmen.
                        Even somehow they did not want to sell beer despite the gray hair, radishes.
                        By the way, I didn’t joke for a T-shirt, write in a personal letter I’ll give a link, look, once you set it, I need to correspond :)
                      3. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 21: 26
                        +1
                        laughing
                        thanks of course laughing
                      4. papik09
                        papik09 26 October 2013 05: 29
                        0
                        Yes, but your favorite cartoon "Hedgehog in the Fog" or "Do not sleep, do not sleep, mow, mow ..." wassat
                        It’s just that anger from you is not good spreading against Ukraine and Russia, but this is not very good hi
                      5. carbofo
                        carbofo 28 October 2013 11: 13
                        0
                        Quote: papik09
                        It’s just that anger from you is not good spreading against Ukraine and Russia, but this is not very good

                        Ukraine, yes, but not against Russia, of course there are a lot of problems, but to drive home is the last thing I will do.
                        And the cartoon about the hedgehog is not my favorite, I last watched it about 20 years ago, if not more.
                      6. carbofo
                        carbofo 29 October 2013 02: 13
                        0
                        I think it is worth commenting on the attitude towards SA.
                        Since I treat the people and territory of Ukraine as the lands of the USSR, that is, mine, respectively, what makes your government displease me.
                        And also all those who write in the nicknames "UA".
                        In the first case, I see a sale at a cheap price by the authorities of a country that does not belong to them, and a clear desire to harm the country and fill my own pocket is literally or not literally unimportant.
                        Displeasure is the fact that your government de facto sent your air defense systems to Georgia with your same crews, to shoot down our planes !!!
                        Well, about the sale of the USSR’s heritage to anyone I’m silent, I’ve written a lot about this, including by investigators.

                        Second, Ukraine never existed before 1991, there was only the region where the border peoples lived, which from time to time passed from hand to hand until they became part of the Russian Empire and then the Ukrainian SSR as part of the USSR.
                        In fact, I travel only nationalists in one form or another, if you do not write anything horrible, I do not care about you.
    2. Airman
      Airman 25 October 2013 19: 01
      +4
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov




      At the same time, Russia announced that it would not obey the decision of the UN International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea regarding the seizure of the Greenpeace ship and its crew, since it does not recognize the legitimacy of this tribunal in principle "[/ i]

      The day before yesterday, in my opinion, there was a message that the Greenpeace reclassified the article from piracy to hooliganism, so that the statements remain statements, but in reality everything is different. If only they would not be dishonored by such statements, otherwise it turns out like this: they wanted to fart, but they put it in their pants.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 25 October 2013 19: 43
        +2
        Quote: Povshnik
        retrained article from piracy to hooliganism

        If they solder them for hooliganism for at least a couple of years, this is already good.
      2. smile
        smile 26 October 2013 00: 40
        0
        Airman
        For hooligan, sanction is up to seven years. If the main characters are given 3-4 years, in my opinion, it will be quite normal. Although I would solder 10-15 .. :)))
        So, that in vain you-we are not the same ... with a pants it seems everything is all right. Let's see what happens next.
        1. Chemicalin23
          Chemicalin23 27 October 2013 16: 17
          0
          And for me - so I would have carried out an exposing flogging and soldered them to the maximum!
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 25 October 2013 21: 31
      +3
      And rightly so - the Greenpeace pirates have repeatedly shown their true jackal nature
  2. Basarev
    Basarev 25 October 2013 21: 30
    0
    Even the absurd Khrushchev was smart enough to understand that it was impossible to agree to the conditions of the States.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 25 October 2013 21: 34
      0
      Quote: Basarev
      Even the absurd Khrushchev was smart enough to understand that it was impossible to agree to the conditions of the States.

      But what did he agree?
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 October 2013 14: 13
    +1
    And also thanks to Kravchuk (((
  • bilgesez
    bilgesez 25 October 2013 14: 14
    -7
    "thanks to the hunchback." And Putin. Most of it was cut with him.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 25 October 2013 15: 11
      +7
      Quote: bilgesez
      "thanks to the hunchback." And Putin. Most of it was cut with him.

      What about Putin? Under him, the Gorbachev-Yeltsin treaties with the United States were only executed.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 27
      +7
      But did Putin have the opportunity to refuse in 2000?

      Do you remember what debts we had?
      Do you remember in which ... we had production, including agricultural products?
  • Canep
    Canep 25 October 2013 13: 34
    +7
    Quote: Shkodnick
    This will only give an occasion to the states to place their canned rsd in europe ...

    In general, I would place part of the nuclear weapon in high orbits, on automatic satellites, aiming at the United States, and brought into action not by the press of a button, but rather by the absence of a signal. That is, if the Americans destroy the command centers of Russia, then these weapons will automatically fall on the enemy. And he would have masked these satellites as weather satellites, earth-sensing satellites, or GLONAS.
    Perhaps this has already been done.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 25 October 2013 14: 26
      +7
      Well, that’s cool enough for you, and if the electric power is turned off, the diesel engines will break and the PDU will not turn on for any reason? But the train of your thoughts impresses me anyway. drinks
      1. Canep
        Canep 25 October 2013 14: 36
        +6
        Live with wolves ... no other way. The bandits (as Comrade Stalin said) understand only power. And as for disconnecting, provide automatic use, say, after 8-12 hours. during this time, the generator can be brought to Moscow from the Urals or from Siberia, and connected to it.
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 25 October 2013 15: 01
          +4
          Quote: Canep
          at. And about disconnect, provide automatic application

          Persuaded, I agree to generously give the adversary - 8 hours of life and not a second more. wink
          1. Canep
            Canep 25 October 2013 15: 24
            +1
            You will have to give even more because in an exceptional case it will take up to a day to transfer a satellite from a constant orbit to a combat orbit, celestial mechanics are its mother. If the satellite just passed over the target, then the next passage only in a day.
      2. Simon
        Simon 25 October 2013 20: 04
        -1
        The idea is generally good, it only needs to be implemented.
      3. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 25 October 2013 21: 49
        +2
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        ... and if the electric power is turned off, the diesel engines will break down and the PDU will not turn on for any reason?drinks
        Well, no luck means. An unfortunate accident happened.
        Bush, at one time, having shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, said: "I will not apologize." Well, we have no reason either. They are an exceptional nation. So we must exclude them. smile
        1. papik09
          papik09 26 October 2013 05: 33
          +2
          And Putin will say: "Well, sorry, the electricity has run out. But, we will fix it ..." laughing
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 28
      +3
      do not forget about "Perimeter" bully
    3. Airman
      Airman 25 October 2013 19: 09
      0
      Quote: Canep
      Quote: Shkodnick
      This will only give an occasion to the states to place their canned rsd in europe ...

      In general, I would place part of the nuclear weapon in high orbits, on automatic satellites, aiming at the United States, and brought into action not by the press of a button, but rather by the absence of a signal. That is, if the Americans destroy the command centers of Russia, then these weapons will automatically fall on the enemy. And he would have masked these satellites as weather satellites, earth-sensing satellites, or GLONAS.
      Perhaps this has already been done.

      Hardly.
  • Deniska
    Deniska 25 October 2013 13: 45
    +1
    And we are in Cuba, Brazil, Syria, Serbia;)

    And I think they will not re-preserve with their budget cuts
  • SkiF_RnD
    SkiF_RnD 25 October 2013 14: 38
    12
    By the way, about the MRBM in Europe. American "ANTI-MISSIONS", designed to intercept ballistic targets within the global missile defense system, can be used to strike at ground targets. Fortunately, there is an inertial component in their guidance system. The range is rather big. And equip them with a "special" warhead like two fingers on the asphalt ... So it's a big question which of us is actually violating the agreement.
    It is necessary to put our MRBM into series and put it on the border, with the sign "ANTI-MISSION DEFENSE". Destroys missiles right in the mines laughing
    But seriously, the US withdrawal from the ABM is quite a reason for us to withdraw from all treaties with the Americans. And what is the point in these contracts, if you can just get out of them like this, and no one cares about this. These missile defense systems and START-2 subtly resemble the "Molotov-Ribentrop pact."
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 32
      +4
      what rockets, fear god?

      nothing has been flying in America for a long time ...
      the last Minuteman-3 came off the assembly line in 1978 ...
      the last launch was urgently postponed (for an indefinite period), because it did not take off ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 25 October 2013 16: 38
        +2
        But perfectly fly KR for various purposes. Including with the possibility of installing a nuclear warhead. And what’s worse, she’s an ICBM or a dozen of CDs with nuclear warheads, another question.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 48
          +3
          KR will not fly over the Atlantic or the Pacific ...
          for the delivery of missiles, you need to be relatively nearby, where these missiles are quite accessible for preventive detection and destruction ...

          and of course, it’s impossible to put a nuclear warhead at least roughly comparable to the capabilities of the BRDS ...
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 25 October 2013 17: 35
            +1
            Yes, it will not fly. But it will cross. On the submarine - 158 pieces! On ships from 30 to 96! Range up to 2500 km. Yes, they are relatively easy to destroy. But when a flock of 30-40 pieces flies from different directions, there will be enough 2-3 bursting (with NWF) to cover the area covered by radioactive fallout and become uninhabitable for a couple of years.
            And the simultaneous strike by all KRs from the strike order is about 300 missiles, it will erase all the important infrastructure and air defense adjacent to the sea to a depth of 2000 km and a width of 100-200 km. Neither C-300 / 400 / 500, nor bunkers, nor Carapace with Torahs will help. Because planes with a KAB will go the second wave, and they will finish off the rest.
            Actually the same thing will happen with the use of ICBMs. Only here just a few cities and military installations will cease to exist. Quickly and painlessly.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 18: 08
              -2
              all this is true, but there is one small point ...
              as soon as the first start is made, the carrier is destroyed - this time,
              second, for the flight time that they fly 2500 km (at a speed of 900 km / h for Tomakavka, this is 2 hours 40 minutes) you can catch the Chinese border ... it means you need to come closer, and this is guaranteed destruction before launch. ..
              and yet, the Kyrgyz Republic can be knocked off by placing a veil ...

              in short, all the armament of the usa is suitable only to drive the Papuans in the Middle East ...
      2. Realist58
        Realist58 26 October 2013 18: 00
        +2
        And there are rockets that don’t burn in the fire (20+ years ago there was a big fire during transportation, the solid-fuel ICBM remained intact)
        And they don’t drown in water (during the flood, a dam broke and flooded the mine. A missile from the mine surfaced ... apparently it was from a submarine)))
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 29 October 2013 01: 47
          0
          here you go...
          and they tell us: rubber tanks, rubber tanks laughing
    2. luka095
      luka095 25 October 2013 20: 19
      0
      Quote: SkiF_RnD
      These missile defense and START-2 subtly resemble the Molotov-Ribentrop pact.

      No need to bring everything together. The Moscow treaty (and not the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) was not nearby in the Gorbachev treaties. It was beneficial, first of all, to the USSR!
  • Skiff-2
    Skiff-2 25 October 2013 15: 32
    +5
    Quote: Shkodnick
    This will only give an occasion to the states to place their canned rsd in europe ...

    There is no RSD in the USA (Pershing-2 destroyed according to the agreement), and soon there will be no ICBMs - the warranty period for Minuteman-2 is 3, XNUMX. Remained Trident in submarines. The Stripes relied on cruise missiles and tactical weapons deciding that there were no more competitors, and when they realized that they were mistaken - catching up late - time was lost. They now have something to worry about without our missiles, but you won’t spoil the porridge with butter.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 25 October 2013 15: 42
      +2
      Remained Trident in submarines. The Stripes relied on cruise missiles and tactical weapons deciding that there were no more competitors, and when they realized that they were mistaken - catching up late - time was lost. . They now have something to worry about without our missiles, but you won’t spoil the porridge with butter. [/ Quote]
      What is it that they missed, that it is already impossible to catch up? They have more missiles than ours. And there are projects for new nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 33
        0
        there are projects on new nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles

        there are projects, no money ...
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 25 October 2013 16: 45
          0
          there are projects, no money ...

          There are projects and money.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 16: 55
            +2
            There are projects and money.


            Do you think China will take it on credit?

            and their projects ... well, how to put it ... in their performance characteristics "float" from the end of the 70s ...
            everything that they then tested and put into service, to put it mildly - not "ice" ...
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 25 October 2013 17: 06
              +1
              Quote: DanaF1
              Do you think China will take it on credit?

              I think yes. And not only China, but almost the whole world is "interested" in them, including Russia. As long as this system exists, they will have a lot of money.
              Quote: DanaF1
              and their projects ... well, how to put it ... in their performance characteristics "float" from the end of the 70s ...

              More specifically, what projects on performance characteristics are "floating"?
              Quote: DanaF1
              everything that they then tested and put into service, to put it mildly - not "ice" ...

              What is bad, for example, the Trident-2 system with Ohio submarines? We do not have such a system to this day. So far, one Borey boat in the fleet and one in pilot combat operation.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 18: 19
                +2
                What is bad, for example, the Trident-2 system with Ohio submarines? We do not have such a system to this day. So far, one Borey boat in the fleet and one in pilot combat operation


                On Ohio, it’s like Trident-1, and Trident-2 is only 1 submarine ...
                in fact, it is not much different from the "Sineva", but in some performance characteristics it is inferior to our missiles ...

                More specifically, what projects on performance characteristics are "floating"?

                how about the flightless shuttles and planes that fall into a tailspin at every opportunity (I'm talking about the Raptor) ...
                and about non-floating aircraft carriers with faulty latches bully
                1. Onyx
                  Onyx 25 October 2013 18: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  On Ohio, it’s like Trident-1, and Trident-2 is only 1 submarine ...
                  in fact, it is not much different from the "Sineva", but in some performance characteristics it is inferior to our missiles ...

                  On the first eight Ohio, Trident-1 first stood, on the remaining ten - Trident 2. Now there are tomahawks on 4, and on the remaining fourteen submarines Trident-2 is installed. Sineva is, of course, a good missile, but it is liquid, it has a long AUT, so its launch is easier to detect and intercept. It is still impossible to intercept solid-fuel rockets in the active sector, unless, of course, the interceptor is located closer than 500 km from the launch site.
                  The shuttles seemed to fly, they were written off for financial reasons. And the fact that there are problems with the raptors, it does not mean that the United States is "floating". It's dangerous to underestimate the enemy, but you shouldn't overestimate it either.
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 20: 33
                    +1
                    I agree about the OUT, but this is not the only way to detect ...
                    about the performance characteristics of "Sineva", I meant the range, mainly ...
                    besides, we have not only missiles left on the nuclear submarines, unlike some bully

                    you are certainly right, the enemy should not be underestimated, only it seems to me that our enemy is a cardboard empire ...
                  2. Onyx
                    Onyx 25 October 2013 20: 55
                    0
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    we have not only missiles left on the nuclear submarines, unlike some

                    Well, some also have not only SLBMs.
                  3. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 21: 28
                    0
                    after all, if the Minuteman takes off, the big question is where he will fall ...
                  4. Onyx
                    Onyx 25 October 2013 21: 35
                    0
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    after all, if the Minuteman takes off, the big question is where he will fall ...

                    Do you think they hold them for status?
                  5. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 22: 20
                    +1
                    I think yes, for the most part ...
                    besides they are too expensive to dispose of ...

                    they haven’t changed rockets for 35 years already, they don’t have new developments in this direction (mine and ground-based missiles) ...
                    in fact, they relied only on ICBMs ...
                  6. Onyx
                    Onyx 25 October 2013 23: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    new developments in this direction (mine and ground-based missiles) are not being conducted ...

                    Well, we can’t reliably know this
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    in fact, they relied only on ICBMs ...

                    At SLBM, you mean?
                  7. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 26 October 2013 00: 20
                    +2
                    Well, we can’t reliably know this

                    we can’t, but given the fact that they haven’t mumbled, do not calve about this for 20 years, we can assume ...

                    however, I won’t be surprised if they lost the technical documentation for the Minutmen as well as for the shuttles lol

                    At SLBM, you mean?

                    pah, of course ... it was reported a little, excuse me the lady bully
                  8. Onyx
                    Onyx 26 October 2013 00: 23
                    0
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    pah, of course ... it was reported a little, excuse me the lady

                    clear smile . By the way, where does the lady have such an interest in weapons?
                  9. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 26 October 2013 01: 17
                    0
                    Yes, just like that, I try to diversify my knowledge repeat
      2. pl675
        pl675 25 October 2013 22: 27
        0
        Quote: Onyx
        Quote: DanaF1
        we have not only missiles left on the nuclear submarines, unlike some

        Well, some also have not only SLBMs.



        some / to poverty / have new boats without missiles.
      3. Onyx
        Onyx 25 October 2013 23: 13
        0
        Quote: pl675
        some / to poverty / have new boats without missiles.

        What?
      4. pl675
        pl675 25 October 2013 23: 39
        0
        [/ Quote]
        What? [/ Quote]

        Northwind.
      5. Onyx
        Onyx 26 October 2013 00: 16
        0
        Quote: pl675
        Northwind.

        Borea - this is with us, and I'm talking about the Americans. And for the Boreans there is a Mace.
      6. pl675
        pl675 26 October 2013 00: 23
        0
        Quote: Onyx
        Quote: pl675
        Northwind.

        Borea - this is with us, and I'm talking about the Americans. And for the Boreans there is a Mace.


        maybe there is, you know better.
        but I see that the ship, while it exists separately from the mace.
      7. Onyx
        Onyx 26 October 2013 00: 34
        0
        Quote: pl675
        maybe there is, you know better.
        but I see that the ship, while it exists separately from the mace.

        Yes, you think
      8. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 26 October 2013 01: 24
        +2
        the fact that the Mace flies through once is a completely normal situation for a new weapon ...
        they’ll fix all the flaws, only it takes a little longer than clicking on the keys in the office ...
    2. aleshka
      aleshka 26 October 2013 05: 58
      0
      You may not be aware, but the Mace is still a flightless rocket! Of the 20 launches, only 7 are successful!
  • Airman
    Airman 25 October 2013 19: 20
    0
    Quote: DanaF1


    Do you think China will take it on credit?
    .

    We give this to them by transferring the money of the stabilization fund to the state banks, and in essence we finance the armament of the state army and navy, instead of our own armed forces.
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 25 October 2013 20: 04
      +1
      China gives them many times more ...
      in addition, many of their military projects are being closed due to interruptions in funding ...
  • yurii p
    yurii p 25 October 2013 18: 50
    0
    they do not need an excuse, they have always fulfilled only those parts of the agreements that are beneficial to them, and if necessary, they will pick up an argument such as "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq", they only need to see their priority tasks, without looking back at our "partners", otherwise we will get the second 90- That is, they respect only the strong, and wipe their feet with the weak.
  • Simon
    Simon 25 October 2013 19: 30
    +1
    Canned Amerov RSDs have long been out of date. Our missile defense systems are much more advanced than their obsolete ones. Moreover, after re-preservation, they must be checked, reinstalled and adjusted, and then it is also possible to upgrade them.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 October 2013 22: 23
    +2
    Quote: Shkodnick
    This will only give an occasion to the states to place their canned rsd in europe ...

    And to hell with them, we have China on its side in which the ballistic missile defense is in bulk and it is not included in the INF Treaty ... The USA threw us with an ABM treaty, which artist have we not left the INF Treaty?
  • Kolya
    Kolya 26 October 2013 07: 43
    +3
    No need to withdraw from the contract, but continue to test the rockets explaining that the tests are aimed at protecting against asteroids, or something like that. In the likeness of how the States explain missile defense against Iran in the Baltic states.
  • Polovec
    Polovec 26 October 2013 10: 49
    +1
    Europe is already fed up with them. Simply because of financial and economic dependence, it cannot pursue an independent policy. All but the "newbies" dream of removing US bases from their territory. But it is unlikely that there will be a talk about what to place something new. Even the missile defense radar is moving with a creak, not like missiles ...
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 25 October 2013 11: 31
    +4
    Quote: Povshnik
    ... and not about the well-being of the states ...

    Yes, no one, by and large, is not going to think too much about their well-being, that’s why they don’t like it, that's why they’re fucking, tsuki!
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 25 October 2013 11: 37
      +9
      The American side is worried ... Want to talk about it, Mr. Obama?
  • mirag2
    mirag2 25 October 2013 11: 43
    +9
    Of course, the USA has changed the concept of campaigning against Russia - they are constantly developing scenarios of a possible conflict.
    Now they intend to inflict a preventive strike at our points with nuclear weapons, communication centers, etc. — with non-missile (hypersonic) missiles.
    And so Obama wants to reduce nuclear weapons, because they are not going to fight them.
    These are the pies, but we cannot prevent this for now.
    Therefore, there is only one maza-to create unsealed missile trains, and Kudrin-and the bastard-did not give money at the time.
    In general, I didn’t give money anywhere — I invested everything in foreign banks — I financed, you bastard, their development.
    Instead of building roads, or something else.
    I saw a documentary film — Kriegsschiffe — told that the United States decided to create a fleet (in the late 19th and early 20th centuries) - so that everything for the battleships would be US PRODUCTION — that is, it immediately gave impetus to the development of US PRODUCTION.
    So we would, too, I’m still waiting for the Koreans to build us a modern shipyard in the Far East - Putin seemed to agree on this even during the start of the flood.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 25 October 2013 11: 58
    13
    Quote: Povshnik
    ora already withdraw from this treaty

    Well, why so sharply. "Leave the contract". Are we to blame for the fact that our, Russian ICBMs are able to fly at distances from 100 meters to 10 km? Let them suffer themselves.
    1. papik09
      papik09 26 October 2013 05: 44
      +3
      "Russian ICBMs are able to fly over distances from 100 meters to 10 km", that is not covered by the contract (from 500 km to 5500 km) wassat
  • Edward72
    Edward72 25 October 2013 11: 59
    16
    Yes, put a bolt on them worried, because the mattresses do not ask when whole countries are smashing
  • Tektor
    Tektor 25 October 2013 12: 10
    10
    It is time to withdraw from this treaty, as they withdrew from the ABM Treaty ...
    But this is not necessary: ​​we absolutely do not violate the INF Treaty. We are testing new equipment on existing strategic missiles. And nothing more. So it’s completely impossible to present to Amerzam a case of allegedly developing missiles that violate the INF Treaty. These are strategic missiles of strategic range, which were given the opportunity to strike at the full depth of the distance. That's all. These are not INF missiles.
    1. andr327
      andr327 27 October 2013 10: 40
      +1
      Just when starting from cabbage Yar, Americans can not track the performance characteristics of equipment. That stinks.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 25 October 2013 14: 05
    +4
    But the United States would not have gone ... in any direction with its claims ...
    1. Simon
      Simon 25 October 2013 20: 10
      0
      Better on the toilet, there at least you can wash off their smelly claims that appeared after the launch of the missiles. laughing
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2013 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: fzr1000
      But the United States would not have gone.

      Please express all forms of hostility towards Russia in a suicidal form. Especially the Amer media owned by [b]self-aware [/ b].
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 25 October 2013 14: 16
    +3
    These Americans are completely "off-the-shelf", which means they can violate any conventions and treaties, launching missiles for their intended purpose, waging a real war, and it means that the Russians cannot, right ?! they cannot even see the peaceful launch of the "enemy" (they probably consider Russia as such)
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 25 October 2013 14: 18
    +3
    We will remember "Oka" for them.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 25 October 2013 21: 24
      +2
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      We will remember "Oka" for them.



      We, padwa, will remember everything. And Chinganchuk with Nelson Mandela too!
  • kenig1
    kenig1 25 October 2013 15: 38
    +5
    If we withdraw from the treaty, with our medium-range missiles we can get only Europe and Alaska, and they are from Europe our entire European part of the country.
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 25 October 2013 18: 35
    +3
    "It's time to withdraw from this treaty, as they withdrew from the ABM Treaty. We need missiles, and we will test them. It's time to think about the security of Russia, and not about the well-being of the states."
    Thinking is worth it. About how it, the American state of health, to worsen as much as possible. The goal is minimum stroke, maximum goal is the death of the patient, as long as possible and painful!
    1. papik09
      papik09 26 October 2013 05: 45
      0
      Dohtur said to the morgue - znachitstsa to the morgue laughing
  • ANTIMUS
    ANTIMUS 25 October 2013 21: 23
    0
    It seems already said about the development of medium-range missiles
  • Polovec
    Polovec 26 October 2013 10: 45
    +1
    The less we pay attention to Amersky gopniks, the more they will respect us. You just need to ignore them.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 30 October 2013 12: 50
    0
    Historical justice is being restored.
  • alone
    alone 25 October 2013 10: 52
    25
    It would be interesting how the Russian structures will respond to this? Maybe another launch in response to claims?))
    1. Simon
      Simon 25 October 2013 20: 12
      0
      So run something modern and serious, so that their jaw dropped. wassat
      1. SSR
        SSR 25 October 2013 22: 08
        +1
        Quote: Simon
        So run something modern and serious, so that their jaw dropped. wassat

        So she sagged, the intercontinental was able to beat in the regional arena. Personally, I am proud of our craftsmen that they could do from the strategist of the INF Treaty.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 25 October 2013 22: 17
          0
          Quote: SSR
          So she sagged, the intercontinental was able to beat in the regional arena. Personally, I am proud of our craftsmen that they could do from the strategist of the INF Treaty.

          Well, this is not something special. The Americans also launched their Trident-2 with 2 thousand km.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 53
    35
    At 3200 km Poplar launched belay the Americans thought we disposed of all medium-range missiles laughing Russian cunning will obey any contract winked
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 25 October 2013 11: 08
      40
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Russian cunning will obey any contract

      Hi Sasha! The terrible Russian weapon is the new Syzran missile. When it hits any city - be it Paris, London or New York, it instantly turns into Syzran. laughing
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 25 October 2013 11: 15
        12
        Quote: Tersky
        The terrible Russian weapon is the new Syzran missile. When you hit any city - even Paris, London or New York, it instantly turns into Syzran

        good And this despite the fact that we still have "Pelym" and "Sindor" in service ... This is much worse than Syzran ... repeat
        1. alone
          alone 25 October 2013 11: 26
          10
          remembered the old joke about the chiefs of housing offices. can they be launched into western cities?
          1. e3tozy
            e3tozy 25 October 2013 17: 35
            0
            Right Cities will quickly depopulate them. Something like a nuclear winter.
            1. alone
              alone 26 October 2013 00: 00
              0
              Quote: e3tozy
              Right Cities will quickly depopulate them. Something like a nuclear winter.


              it will be quite the opposite. people will remain, cities will disappear wassat
        2. ronin
          ronin 25 October 2013 11: 37
          +6
          I have been to Sindor .... Indeed, worse than Syzran :)
        3. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 25 October 2013 12: 13
          11
          Quote: retired
          This is much worse than Syzran ...

          Well, since the Sindorians are cutting the world through such a technique, then yes, Syzran is nothing compared to the Sindor. Sindor is clearly cooler than boiled eggs!
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 25 October 2013 12: 24
            +7
            Hmm ..... zombie apocalypse is not terrible. He just won’t get there ...
      2. dima1970
        dima1970 25 October 2013 11: 58
        +3
        Have you forgotten about "Maskwa"? There is nothing more terrible about her inhabitants in the world.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 25 October 2013 12: 38
        +4
        Are there any Kolyma or Magadan missiles? wink
        The terrible Russian weapon is the new Syzran missile. When it hits any city - be it Paris, London or New York, it instantly turns into Syzran.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 25 October 2013 12: 52
          +3
          Are there any Kolyma or Magadan missiles?

          These are already separate warheads. For especially "close" uh ... partners.
          1. 528Obrp
            528Obrp 25 October 2013 13: 48
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            This is a separate warhead.

            With systems of capture, transportation and storage at the same points
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 25 October 2013 13: 59
              +1
              Quote: 528Obrp
              and warehousing

              Hope: in underground storage? repeat
        2. ale-x
          ale-x 25 October 2013 15: 29
          +1
          But how is it not? There is.....
      4. Deniska
        Deniska 25 October 2013 13: 53
        +1
        lol lol lol lol lol lol Is there a video?
        1. 528Obrp
          528Obrp 25 October 2013 14: 14
          0
          See the video below, there is also about warehousing. laughing
      5. Guilty
        Guilty 25 October 2013 14: 54
        +4
        The next development is the Pripyat rocket from the Chelyabinsk family wassat
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 25 October 2013 11: 32
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      At 3200 km Poplar launched

      It is noteworthy that the flying rocket was visible in the sky over Yekaterinburg, which caused a resonance among local users of social networks. Some of them took the rocket for a falling meteorite.
      belay I missed such beauty, it’s already commonplace.
      And from where such accuracy about kilometers of tracks?
      Was the rocket driving or flying all the way?
      If you gasped at the car, then I agree with 3200 km.
      And if you flew?
      That could have returned to Novaya Zemlya at 11000 km. TTX.
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 25 October 2013 10: 53
    11
    Do not worry worry, but the result is one.
    The new missile will be the killer of missile defense in Europe.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 25 October 2013 15: 30
      +4
      Not entirely correct - the killer of Europe, rather ...
  • il grand casino
    il grand casino 25 October 2013 10: 54
    15
    The USA considers violations that they don’t like ... if it was a violation or not request . Who cares ...
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 25 October 2013 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: il grand casino
      whether it was a violation or not

      ... was visible in the sky above Yekaterinburg ... Some ... mistook the rocket for a falling meteorite.

      Or maybe they were not mistaken.
      Then the Americans took a meteorite for a rocket.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 25 October 2013 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: AK-47
        Some ... mistook the rocket for a falling meteorite.

        These some were deeply mistaken. The meteorite was flying away from the insult that it was not met with the pomp inherent in the E-bourgeois. laughing
    2. Yura
      Yura 25 October 2013 14: 31
      0
      Quote: il grand casino
      The United States considers violations that they do not like

      But they don’t like everything.
  • MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 25 October 2013 10: 58
    18
    And what should Russia do if they push their missiles to us geographically.
    The solution suggests itself - to increase the range of their missiles!
    Mark must be kept. bully
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 11: 10
      13
      Quote: Milafon
      And what should Russia do if they push their missiles to us geographically.

      Yes, it’s time to get out of all these left-handed agreements. As a rule, whoever screams more about violations violates them more. The United States spits on the treaties and it’s time for us to spit on the USA.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 25 October 2013 11: 18
        +6
        Well, why so dramatically. Do not forget that there are still other nuclear countries that can consider this promise as a start for feverish nuclear weapons.
        1. HollyGremlin
          HollyGremlin 25 October 2013 12: 01
          +9
          We need to leave when everything is ready and a couple of thousand missiles are in service, and before that quietly and diplomatically say “ayayay, we will study this issue in detail and take all measures” and further test and build.
        2. Serg 122
          Serg 122 25 October 2013 15: 07
          +1
          Do not forget that there are still other nuclear countries that can consider this promise as a start for feverish nuclear weapons.
          Sorry for what ...? They have defaulted there, they have not yet been born - every hundred thousand dollars must!
    2. Yura
      Yura 25 October 2013 14: 36
      +5
      Quote: Milafon
      And what should Russia do if they push their missiles to us geographically.
      The solution suggests itself - to increase the range of their missiles!

      Or place them in the United States. And as Oleg Chuvakin once said with delivery on his own.
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 25 October 2013 15: 33
        0
        "All the best for children. American" (C)
  • Vasily T.
    Vasily T. 25 October 2013 11: 00
    11
    What tests?) They also said in Russian "confirmation of the stability of the main flight characteristics ...".
    "Well, stupid!" (M. Zadornov)
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 25 October 2013 12: 23
      +3
      "Moved" missiles by one's own course, and only laughing Railway costs expensive for transportation ... request
  • crambol
    crambol 25 October 2013 11: 04
    10
    US authorities are concerned about Russian tests of the Topol ICBM near Astrakhan.


    And you remove your missile defense from our borders, then there will be less anxiety!
  • stalker
    stalker 25 October 2013 11: 05
    +6
    they themselves do nothing, why should we, let them go through the forest)
  • major071
    major071 25 October 2013 11: 08
    15
    When the Americans were about to bomb Syria, they had to impose on international laws, conventions and treaties. The launch of the 1 rocket frightened them to (crust) crustaceans that they immediately remembered everything that they prefer not to remember when their interests are affected. Let them go the whole crowd to a well-known address, but at the same time trousers will be removed.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 25 October 2013 11: 18
    18
    It seems that there were already tantrums about this. And then the reasons for the dissatisfaction of the Americans perfectly understood.

    With such a start-up trajectory, the Americans cannot banally track all of their parameters.

    Everything else they said is ordinary boltology
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 25 October 2013 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      With such a start-up trajectory, the Americans cannot banally track all their parameters

      if the F-35 cannot, then no one can.
  • klavyr
    klavyr 25 October 2013 11: 27
    10
    If my memory serves me, the mentioned agreement was signed by Gorbachev. And who is he - a traitor, a spy, an enemy of the people, etc. How much did his Western partners "charge" him for this? I think not a little, so return everything "accrued", and break the contract.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 25 October 2013 15: 10
      +2
      Exactly - Russia did not sign this agreement! USSR signed. Therefore - we can perform, but we can .... wassat
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 25 October 2013 20: 27
        +1
        Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, and this is where all the problems with the treaties come from.
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 25 October 2013 11: 27
    +1
    And, wouldn’t the Americans go, where else?
  • zao74
    zao74 25 October 2013 11: 29
    +6
    It is high time to revise ALL agreements with amers.
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 25 October 2013 11: 33
    11
    Recently, there was a statement by S. Ivanov that this treaty is a threat to Russia, as neighboring countries are building up the potential of this class of missiles, as a result of which Russia can unilaterally withdraw from this treaty in the near future.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 October 2013 11: 37
    11
    ICBM "Poplar"
    Main technical characteristics:
    ICBM designation
    Number of steps 3
    Length (with MS) 22,7 m (inaccurate)
    Length (without MS) 17,5 m
    Diameter 1,80 m
    Starting weight 45 t
    The thrown weight of 1 t
    Type of fuel solid mixed
    Maximum range 10000 km
    Type of warhead monoblock, nuclear, detachable
    0,55 MT Charge Power
    Adopted by 1988
    Why ICBMs with a range of 10000 km. suggest equating to medium and shorter range missiles? Yes, she can fly to smaller distances. But this cannot be an occasion to classify this ICBM as a medium-range missile. Or am I misunderstanding something?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 25 October 2013 12: 02
      +6
      Or am I misunderstanding something?

      The United States is looking for another Gorbachev. Which are for Sneakers, even the Voivode is equated to medium range.
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 26 October 2013 00: 08
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Why ICBMs with a range of 10000 km. suggest equating to medium and shorter range missiles? Yes, she can fly to smaller distances. But this cannot be an occasion to classify this ICBM as a medium-range missile. Or am I misunderstanding something?

      Yes, Poplar is an ICBM,but in all respects except range, it corresponds to the RSD, including mobility, Pershing didn’t stand nearby. If you put the entire division in cancer, it can be deployed in a day, and that’s unlikely.
      The Americans are freaking out, but they can’t do anything, here we embrace them ... (hali) in full.They do not have such missiles, and are not expected.
      Here, some neighing over the Tomahawks, I don’t advise, it’s not a pound of raisins, it is useless, for example, on the advice of some girls, to use the KR with a nuclear warhead, unless you’re over the desert, you yourself understand. As a weapon of the first strike, they are very consistent.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 26 October 2013 00: 29
        +2
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        The Americans are freaking out, but they can’t do anything, here we have them ... (hali) to the fullest. They do not have such missiles, and are not expected.

        Yes, it seems to me that they especially did not seek to create a PGRK. Since they understand that they are claiming world domination, and nobody will be the first to attack them with nuclear weapons. And PGRK is just a weapon of retaliation. And the states are not Russia, there are no such forests there.
  • avg
    avg 25 October 2013 11: 38
    +6
    Missiles flying from 0 to 11000 km do not violate any agreements. request
  • Onyx
    Onyx 25 October 2013 11: 58
    +3
    The Americans themselves actually violate this treaty when they launch medium-range Hera-type missiles as targets for missile defense tests. But formally, there is nothing to complain about, since the treaty forbids ground-to-ground missiles. But if you managed to fly on an active site, then fly to the ground along a ballistic trajectory does not cost anything.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 October 2013 12: 00
    +6
    Let them go to the stump! They don’t hear us on Euro-missile defense, we don’t hear them on INF. We will play fair.
  • knn54
    knn54 25 October 2013 12: 06
    10
    -Russia has not notified the international group of the Hague Code of Conduct (International Code of Conduct for the Prevention of Ballistic Missile Proliferation) of an upcoming launch.
    Could not remove the information from these launches, hence the concern.
    When the INF Treaty was concluded, Russia was not surrounded on the perimeter by missile defense systems.
    And most importantly - "Hera" supposedly "accelerator", assembled from the second and third stages of the decommissioned intercontinental missiles "Minuteman-2". Moreover, it is equipped with a control and guidance system from the destroyed missiles "Pershing-2". It is still not outdated today: when aiming at a target, it compares the radar image of the terrain and the reference image stored in the memory of the on-board computer (like cruise missiles), which ensures an accuracy of several meters. Ballistic missiles with similar capabilities are not in service in any country in the world. It turns out a TYPICAL RSD weighing 10,8 tons and a flight range of over 1000 km ... Whatever you call it. And thus an economic effect is achieved!
    Russia needs to withdraw from the Treaty altogether.
  • kontrol
    kontrol 25 October 2013 12: 18
    +5
    It is necessary to transfer ground-based nuclear tests of Russian missiles to the territory of the United States under its own power, hehe
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 25 October 2013 12: 28
    +5
    The reason was the fear that Russia is launching an ICBM bypassing the agreement on the elimination of medium-range and shorter-range missiles 1987 of the year, US officials say.

    As far as my memory serves me, Gorbaty and EBN took on "increased KAPobligations", disarmed the USSR, and then Russia, at the very "I do not want", and the Americans did not completely fulfill the agreements on their part in full. Yes, even after that, they armed all the countries "friendly" to Russia, and even SURROUNDED Russia with their military bases.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 25 October 2013 12: 30
    +6
    We already went through this Hochma
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  • Const
    Const 25 October 2013 12: 34
    +4
    Yes, and do not care. You might think they often listen to our opinion.
  • Puler
    Puler 25 October 2013 12: 38
    +9
    Nata in the face of the mattress ... violated the FIRST MAIN AGREEMENT ON NON-SPLITTING NATA after the fall of the Berlin Wall! here's a question for a question. Put on them ... and kick them out of Russian space and business!
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 25 October 2013 20: 32
      +1
      Yeah, how can one drive if the entire economy and financial system is tied to the dollar.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 25 October 2013 12: 47
    14
    The question from a legal point of view is really interesting. In principle, by changing the angle of inclination of the active section of the trajectory, as well as the pitch at the time of separation of the warhead, it is possible even without reducing the total operating time of the engines in the active section to significantly reduce the altitude and increase the flight time in the upper atmosphere, i.e. more effective use of aerodynamic braking. The result is a more flat trajectory and reduced launch range and flight time. So any ICBM can be turned into RSD. There is something to think about for both us and the Americans. Any meaning of the RSD agreement is lost.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 25 October 2013 12: 53
      +7
      Quote: rudolff
      The result is a more flat trajectory and reduced launch range and flight time. So any ICBM can be turned into RSD. There is something to think about for both us and the Americans. Any meaning of the RSD agreement is lost.

      Plus, my friend for a professional answer! hi I always read your comments with interest! drinks
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 25 October 2013 12: 56
      +3
      Well, it’s more a question of whether we’ll chop nuts with a microscope. RSDs still have a different trajectory and other means of overcoming air defense / missile defense. There may be other warheads. And the flight time is much less.
      1. andr327
        andr327 27 October 2013 10: 58
        +1
        If necessary, then the heavy caliber beat direct fire. when there is no time to think about life and death about price
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 26 October 2013 00: 18
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      it is possible even without reducing the total operating time of the engines in the active section to significantly reduce the altitude at the peak and increase the flight time in the upper atmosphere, i.e. more effective use of aerodynamic braking. The result is a more flat trajectory and reduced launch range and flight time. So any ICBM can be turned into RSD. There is something

      Theoretically, yes, you are right. But in practice this is not feasible, serious improvements to the control system will be required, moreover, a possible deviation will be unacceptable, and it’s expensive to hit the sparrows from the gun. If you want more details, I ask in PM. hi
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 25 October 2013 12: 52
    +6
    Kind! Not notified - then they did not consider it necessary to do this !!!! Whom to notify - The Hague Group? is it in the area where our diplomats are put on the floor and beaten with their faces on the floor, and then kept in jail for XNUMX hours? Isn't it too much honor for a pug to have an elephant report to her!
  • patriot2
    patriot2 25 October 2013 13: 10
    +4
    Well done rocket launchers, and yaks really with .. t in their pants when scary!
  • Astral
    Astral 25 October 2013 13: 21
    +1
    Damn lay out some photo of the rocket flight over the city))
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 25 October 2013 13: 26
      +7
      Last year's truth: The track from the ICBMs, the one that did a lot of commotion.
    2. Committee
      Committee 25 October 2013 13: 29
      +2
      Something like this it looks

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oquNlz2ev7I
    3. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 25 October 2013 13: 33
      -1
      So she passed by?
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 25 October 2013 13: 47
    10
    America itself violated the pact not to advance NATO to the East. And "Topol" does not fall under the category of medium-range missiles, the Americans are essentially engaged in ordinary trolling of the Professor's type, but on an international scale - "Topol" is a long-range missile, but the fact that they were fired at a shorter distance is not a violation of the treaty, since the Treaty prohibits the medium-range missiles themselves, and not the firing of existing missiles at a distance of medium-range missiles.
  • xperia
    xperia 25 October 2013 14: 01
    +4
    Fear the Americans of our missiles! It remains only to wait for the "Killer missile defense" as Rogozin called it the "Rubezh" missile!
  • 528Obrp
    528Obrp 25 October 2013 14: 04
    +3
    I don’t know about you, but I like
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=950bEPNNlQk
  • chushoj
    chushoj 25 October 2013 14: 20
    +3
    Maybe there are violations here but partial and insignificant. The sergeant who slightly confused the range will be sent to the outfit in the dining room.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 25 October 2013 14: 22
    +3
    I wonder how the mattress toppers expressed their concerns officially? Scribble in their newspapers? So let them wipe themselves ... Didn't you send the note? That means they are eating in silence. They know the performance characteristics of the "Topol" as well as we do, so let them try ... Concerned. Sexually... lol
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 October 2013 14: 28
    +5
    If the Americans are nervous, then comrades are going the right way! Glory to the Strategic Missile Forces!
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 25 October 2013 14: 38
    +2
    And the "partners" would not go to ... They themselves, trample everything and everyone.
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 25 October 2013 14: 43
    +3
    You might think Trident flies only at 8000 and neither closer.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 25 October 2013 15: 19
      +2
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      You might think Trident flies only at 8000 and neither closer.

      I read somewhere recently about trident trials over a distance of two thousandths of something km
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 25 October 2013 14: 52
    15
    Anecdote in the topic:
    "A new super-powerful hurricane is approaching the US coast. It has already been awarded the highest degree of danger and the title of Hero of the Russian Federation." laughing
  • mithridate
    mithridate 25 October 2013 14: 56
    +3
    I wonder why we do not consider them violations of various treaties?
  • Vitya.
    Vitya. 25 October 2013 15: 15
    +3
    To be honest, the United States has already got everything they need, wants Russia to have nothing left and still says that we are violating, but the pancake itself is not breaking something.
  • Shaman 21101973
    Shaman 21101973 25 October 2013 15: 36
    +2
    Let them worry further. am
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 25 October 2013 15: 43
    +5
    to answer them officially: "We're sorry." end of quote. and nothing more. and let them think who regrets what they regret ...
  • Axel
    Axel 25 October 2013 15: 46
    +2
    The US authorities are concerned about the Russian tests of an intercontinental ballistic missile, they just worry that this missile would not fall on anyone’s head.
    On October 1, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych took part in the demonstration and tactical exercises of the Armed Forces, which took place at the Yavoriv training ground in the Lviv region. The head of state launched the STUGNA-P anti-tank guided missiles. One of them, according to Segodnya, landed in the lake, and a second fragment flew over the president’s head.
  • hrych
    hrych 25 October 2013 15: 59
    +5
    Colleagues, the most important thing is that these missiles turn out to be universal and being intercontinental, with a slight movement of the hand they turn into medium-range missiles, most likely with an increase in the loading capacity, and with dividing Yarsov modifications one missile burns a Central European country. Bravo, our engineers, and Brokeback went to the ass.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 25 October 2013 17: 01
    +5
    Let the Americans think what they want, and we must do everything we need to develop and strengthen our defense potential in every way.
  • crambol
    crambol 25 October 2013 18: 24
    +4
    But we make rockets,
    We block the Yenisei.
    And also in the field of ballet
    We are ahead of the rest!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 October 2013 18: 25
    +2
    Such would be on the railway platforms .. again like in the good old days .. (the idea was class!) An ordinary train goes on the sly across the vast expanses of Russia .. inconspicuous quiet .. But in which case, in a few minutes it is brought into a combat position (and there warrant officers for the peace of the soul of the "exceptional" will drink .. with the words "Who is with us with a sword .. for his sword in the hole ....) We warned .. crying
    1. papik09
      papik09 26 October 2013 06: 25
      +2
      Anecdote in the subject.
      The submarine commander asks the watchman: "Why did the boat rock like that?"
      He answered: "Duc, the old man received a telegram."
      "So what?"
      "His wife went to Naples with her lover"
      "3,14the man in Naples" wassat
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 October 2013 19: 47
    +2
    That's how the men live! We are invincible if we have such a talented people and, most importantly, our heart aches for Russia (and not for our own pocket and welfare ....) As they say we will not die alive! Ekary Babai .. laughing
  • kostik1301
    kostik1301 25 October 2013 19: 52
    +1
    Americans are afraid, then they respect .............