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Who in Riga is hampered by a monument to the liberators?

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Apparently, the representatives of the authorities of the Baltic countries are the most carefree officials in the world. They literally do not know what to do, for wherever you spit - everything is fine everywhere: the economy is monumental, it grows more than at a “Chinese” pace; there are no problems with demography (everyone, of course, heard about hundreds of thousands of large Latvian families); all residents of the republic work exclusively in the republic and do not go to the British Isles to earn money at all - and why, if they pay for their wages (retirement, scholarship) every ordinary Latvian citizen can buy anything his Baltic soul wishes; manufacturing enterprises in Latvia (and other “Baltic countries”) grow like mushrooms; Latvia does not take loans from Latvia in the EU partners; medical care and education are, of course, the best on the planet ...


And in such conditions of “shortage” of political work, the Latvian authorities decided to find work for themselves. As they say, if the mountain does not go to Mohammed, well, or in this case to Janis, then he goes to her ... They decided to look for work closer - in the Latvian capital. The front of works is the advancement of ideas about the demolition (transfer and dismantling) of the memorial to the soldiers of the Soviet Army - the liberators of Latvia and Riga from the Nazi invaders. One of the most active representatives of the authorities in this matter is now the Latvian Minister of Justice Janis Bordans, who belongs to the “National Association” political wing.

Who in Riga is hampered by a monument to the liberators?


To make it clear what the “National Association” of Latvia is, it’s enough to give a brief description: these are several thousand people who are inflated with cheeks by incurable Russophobia.
So this same Mr. Bordans, who, surprisingly, concurrently, is also the acting Minister of Culture (a unique combination of posts, isn’t it true - both the Swedish, and the reaper, and the dummy player ...) proposes to demolish the Memorial since , quote:

The monument to the occupying power in Victory Park is not the place next to the National Library.


The initiative group, which included not only nationalist politicians, but also figures of Latvian culture (this is understandable, because the head of the Ministry of Culture of Latvia has already been said) decided to start collecting signatures for the demolition of the monument. The collection of signatures was carried out on one of the Latvian sites (we will not mention its name, so as not to create the impression of at least some kind of advertisement). Between appeals to the people to vote for lowering heating fees and strengthening preventive measures against hepatitis C, an announcement was posted on the website and about voting for the demolition of the monument to soldiers-liberators. After the announcement gains 10 thousands of votes, it can be sent for discussion to the Latvian parliament, which must make a final decision on the future fate of the monument. 10 thousands of votes (less than 0,5% of the population) scored ...

Recall that we are talking about a monument located on the left bank of the Daugava River, built in 1985 by the design of sculptors Lev Bukovsky and Ainars Gulbis, as well as the artist Alexander Bugayev. Work began on the monument after the proposal of the Latvian architect Ernest Baliшаš.

The central part of the monument is the 79-meter stele, its surroundings are sculptural groups.



It is noteworthy that on the territory of the memorial during the celebration of Victory Day in Riga annually gathers about 200 thousand people. In 2010, more than 300 thousand people came to commemorate the soldiers-liberators during the memorial, with the population of Riga being about 650 thousand people.



According to many residents and guests of Riga coming to the monument, they are celebrating a great victory over Nazism and fascism and are concerned that Nazism in Latvia is raising its head again.


It is worth quoting those non-ordinary Latvians, let's say, who in Latvia support the idea of ​​demolishing the memorial.
Janis Iesalnieks (member of the “National Association”):

The war for Latvia will not end as long as hundreds of thousands of hostile people live in the country.


Elite Weidemans (famous Latvian journalist) on the occasion of the celebration of Victory Day in Latvia:

This is occupying nonsense.


Edwins Shnore (director):

Colonists and their descendants gather at the monument ... It is immoral!


Zigmars Liepins (composer) urged not to be afraid of indignation at the demolition of the monument:


There will be no more noise than about Tallinn Alyosha.


Let's not go deep into thinking once again that the "colonial" regime of the USSR made all these gentlemen successful journalists, composers and directors, gave a start in life, as they say, with all the social package. We will not ... In this case, we will touch upon only the last mentioned remark that “there will be no more noise than about Alyosha in Tallinn”. It is then that Mr. Liepinsh is disingenuous. There was just a lot of noise. Yes, such a "noise" that Estonian banks, government websites and Internet sites news After dismantling the monument, Estonian tapes experienced all the delights of attacks from computers from all over the world (from the USA, Brazil, China, Turkey, Russia and dozens of other countries). The Estonian segment of the Web was paralyzed for several days, and the Estonian economy lost millions of euros. This is the most, one might say, harmless result of the transfer of the "Bronze Soldier". And there were burned-out cars, speeches of those who were not indifferent, fights with the police, which in no way combined with the status of a calm Estonia, but showed itself.

What could lead to something similar in Latvia? If the march of brave warriors from the SS battalions and their hot modern supporters in Riga annually leads to a serious confrontation, which the police can hardly cope with, then any attempt to bring bulldozers to the memorial or something similar will lead to a public explosion.

Apparently, the Latvian President understands all the consequences of this initiative. Andris Berzins, who himself often suffers from the desire to re-write stories, this time he sharply criticized the initiative of Mr. Bordaens, stating that evil spirits had opened up in the Ministry of Culture. Berzins is sure that the idea of ​​the minister is a pre-election move aimed at fueling the nationalist electorate. The Latvian president calls for the expulsion of evil spirits from the Ministry of Culture and states that the actions of Janis Bordans are unacceptable.

Meanwhile, the initiative has already reached the Latvian Parliament, and Latvia is not a presidential, but a parliamentary republic, so we can expect the continuation of provocative surprises, which Riga Mayor Nile Ushakov spoke about:

This is a new provocation of extremists who can exist only at the expense of national enmity, because they do not know how to do anything else. What else can you expect from them? No plans for the development of the economy.


Of course, from the side of Latvia, you can say: they say, well, and you, Russians, don't care about the Riga monument - put some order in your place, and then discuss other states. This, of course, yes. The order, indeed, does not interfere, and only order is not always equal rows of police, iron hands and bravura marches. Order is mainly respect, in addition to one’s own opinion, the opinions of other people, respect for one’s own history, an objective view of this history and of modernity, by the way. And then, you understand how half a century to live on subsidies from other Soviet republics is for God's sake, and how they beckoned with a pseudo-democratic credit cake, invaders and rapists immediately. The policy of opportunism comes through ...
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  1. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 25 October 2013 08: 23
    29
    Question: "Who in Riga is hindered by the monument to the soldiers-liberators?"
    Answer: "Pid-ssam"
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 25 October 2013 08: 35
      24
      They really want to get rid of the entire legacy of the "accursed past". Industry, science and infrastructure have already been disposed of. am
      1. INTER
        INTER 25 October 2013 08: 48
        +6
        They do not want to recognize the victory of the USSR and want to please the Anglo-Saxons!
        1. Airman
          Airman 25 October 2013 09: 45
          10
          Quote: INTER
          They do not want to recognize the victory of the USSR and want to please the Anglo-Saxons!

          It remains to rewrite history, in which the Latvian SS men made a decisive contribution to the fight against the "communist occupation".
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 25 October 2013 16: 19
            +3
            rewritten
        2. smile
          smile 25 October 2013 13: 06
          12
          INTER
          Russophobia is simply the cornerstone of their ideology and statehood - the Entente created this state entity to weaken Russia and, at the expense of Russian territory, they fulfill their mission. If you remove Russophobia from them, they won’t have anything left, everything that they have built by the Russians and at the expense of Russian funds in the interests of the whole country, both during the time of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR - if they recognize this, then they will have to admit their absolute failure and worthlessness, parasitism.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 25 October 2013 16: 15
            +1
            Quote: smile
            INTER
            Russophobia is simply the cornerstone of their ideology and statehood - the Entente created this state entity to weaken Russia and, at the expense of Russian territory, they fulfill their mission. If you remove Russophobia from them, they won’t have anything left, everything that they have built by the Russians and at the expense of Russian funds in the interests of the whole country, both during the time of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR - if they recognize this, then they will have to admit their absolute failure and worthlessness, parasitism.

            Oncology on planet Earth
            And you +++
          2. ele1285
            ele1285 25 October 2013 16: 19
            +1
            + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 25 October 2013 09: 41
        +5
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Industry, science and infrastructure have already been disposed of.

        I think Janis Bordans will spit on the fact that after the demolition of the monument the volume of cargo going through Latvian ports will sharply decrease? Estonia has been sucking a bitter pill for more than a year.
        What will the head of the transport department say to this?
    2. Orel
      Orel 25 October 2013 08: 48
      -18 qualifying.
      Please read to the end, if you already started)

      To be honest to the end, the Baltic republics have few reasons to love the USSR, there are objective facts that speak both for and against:
      1. The USSR was the first to introduce troops into the Baltic during World War II;
      2. The USSR pursued a policy of dispossession and collectivization in the Baltics (before that, private business and farming flourished there). Because of this, many families in the Baltics have lost their income and wealth. Many suffered from the new government and physically. This is a fact and one cannot get away from it;
      3. Fascism is a universally recognized evil. Therefore, no one should flirt with him, but should only condemn;
      4. The USSR is not Russian, it is a state in which at that time there was a totalitarian system led by Stalin. Not the Russians, but the totalitarian system pursued a policy in the Baltics, which they now condemn. But in the USSR the people suffered no less from cruelty. Therefore, it is not fair to reduce everything to nationalities.
      5. Soviet soldiers performed their duty, they fought against fascism, they did not carry out collectivization and dispossession, therefore there is no reason to destroy the memory of them.
      6. The USSR no longer exists. There is Russia and it is not totalitarian, whoever says anything. Therefore, the Balts have no reason to hate the Russians and our country today.

      You can put downsides, but in my opinion this is objective ...
      1. escapes
        escapes 25 October 2013 08: 53
        +9
        on the first point, as they gave them independence, they took it away.
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 21: 59
          -3
          on the first point, as they gave them independence, they took it away.


          This is not serious! We are not the USA. Or do we want to become the same?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2013 05: 19
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            This is not serious! We are not the USA. Or do we want to become the same?

            Of course, Russia is not the United States, the goals of the wars in which we participate are different, if the United States fights to enrich themselves at the expense of others, then Russia fights to ensure its security.
      2. fklj
        fklj 25 October 2013 08: 59
        +4
        in my opinion this is objective ...

        Not objectively, on all counts. Except # 3.
        Another tolerant fighter with a "totalitarian" past.
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 09: 06
          -8
          Another tolerant fighter with a "totalitarian" past.


          You cannot fight what has already happened. It was. You just have to admit that there was both good and bad. Without pink glasses and problems you can see how to solve them too.
          1. smile
            smile 25 October 2013 13: 36
            +6
            Hours
            Right. mistakes must be admitted - here and admit. no matter what you don't know the topic, and write your inventions based on perestroika agitation and fabrications of propaganda hostile to us. Sorry, but judging by your comments, I get the impression. that your glasses are not pink. and the eyes ... and you are all kind of some ... :))))) Eagle ... :))))
            1. Orel
              Orel 25 October 2013 21: 57
              -1
              and the eyes ... and you yourself are all kind of ... :)))) Eagle ... :))))


              Why get personal? When there are no arguments, they usually begin to argue in the style of "myself ..." If you say that I do not know anything (although how do you know this), then tell us what you know? I will listen with interest and will even answer politely)
              1. smile
                smile 25 October 2013 23: 46
                +1
                Orel
                In the comment to which you replied you did not give any arguments, there is only one good wish that I would agree with if you had not covered up with your own false interpretation of the events (to which I answered you) and the statements about pink glasses which I intolerantly answered with pink eyes :))) There were no more arguments. There were no statements either, except for rose-colored glasses ... what to answer with arguments?
                You perfectly expressed the degree of your awareness in your comment ... I answered and appreciated - it turned out "no shisha". If this offended you, then I apologize. and change the expression to - not the slightest clue, is that okay?
            2. mixxlll
              mixxlll 26 October 2013 00: 33
              +1
              Perhaps even with a comb and a beak)))
              1. smile
                smile 26 October 2013 06: 58
                0
                mixxlll
                It's scary to imagine ... an Indian heel? :))))
            3. Denis
              Denis 26 October 2013 05: 48
              +1
              Quote: smile
              some ... :)))) Eagle ... :))))
              Is it hard to guess
              such
              1. Denis
                Denis 26 October 2013 05: 52
                +1
                Quote: Denis
                such
                Or maybe this
                although there’s no difference
                1. smile
                  smile 26 October 2013 07: 05
                  0
                  Denis
                  Well, yes, even if you put it in cancer, an eagle is an eagle! :))))
                  1. Denis
                    Denis 26 October 2013 08: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: smile
                    yes, even cancer
                    say that when cancer is a cock
              2. smile
                smile 26 October 2013 07: 03
                0
                Denis
                Judging by the muzzle. the bird depicted is impaled and at the time of shooting (drawing), violently squeezes the sphincter ... either sits on a pot ... you are inhuman, or you are unceremonious ... you can't! :))))))Oh. defenders will get to you ... ANIMALS :))))
                1. Denis
                  Denis 26 October 2013 08: 04
                  0
                  Quote: smile
                  defenders ... ANIMALS
                  The defenders themselves?
                  whereas mad, although you look at them without how
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 26 October 2013 10: 16
                  0
                  Quote: smile
                  Judging by the face. the depicted bird is planted on a stake and at the time of shooting (drawing), violently squeezes the sphincter ... or sits on a pot ...


                  I would like to suggest "not quite ptyts", but also "Amerykansky Eagle" laughing

                  Confirmed by practice, as do not squeeze the sphincter, Russia WILL IMPLEMENT the plan ...

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          2. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2013 05: 22
            0
            Quote: Orel
            You cannot fight what has already happened. It was. You just have to admit that there was both good and bad. Without pink glasses and problems you can see how to solve them too.

            Something from the other side is in no hurry to apologize. No apologies from Latvia have been heard for the contribution of Latvian riflemen to the cause of the communist revolution, and the Poles are in no hurry to repent for the 80000 killed captured Russian Red Army soldiers.
      3. Narkom
        Narkom 25 October 2013 08: 59
        17
        You can remind them of the Nistadt Treaty, money has been paid for this land.
      4. Vadivak
        Vadivak 25 October 2013 09: 23
        27
        Quote: Orel
        1. The USSR was the first to bring troops into the Baltic during World War II; the USSR pursued a policy of dispossession and collectivization in the Baltic states (before that, private business and farming flourished well)


        What kind of farming? Tripper thrived there, sorry. Instead of toilets, they had pits (at best), and these farmers shit wherever they could. In 1936, the campaign "Every farm has a toilet!" under the auspices of State Protector Pats.


        during the period of independence, the industry of Latvia and Estonia degraded, the percentage of the illiterate population of the Baltic states by 1940 was about 31% of the population. More than 30% of children aged 6-11 did not attend school, but were forced to work in agricultural work. Between 1930 and 1940, more than 4,700 peasant farms were closed in Latvia alone due to huge debts. Another indicative figure of the "development" of the Baltic during the period of independence (1918-1940) is the number of workers employed in the construction of factories and housing stock. In 1930, there were 815 construction workers in Latvia. Dozens of multi-storey buildings and plants and factories, which were erected by these tireless 815 workers, stand in front of your eyes.
        July 16, 1941 Adolf Hitler held a meeting on the three Baltic "states". It was decided: instead of 3 independent states (which the Baltic nationalists are trying to trumpet today) to create a territorial entity within Germany with the name "Ostland". Also, a document was approved on the official language of Ostland - German. And no local dialects!

        (Quote) The Baltic States from 1918 became the ass of Europe, so even the Russians wiped it so that it did not stink.

        In the photo, the balts require joining the USSR
      5. Caveman
        Caveman 25 October 2013 09: 35
        20
        there was a reason to love the USSR, about 70 thousand peasant farms were horseless, 45 thousand did not even have cows. Since 1930, the debts of peasant farms have amounted to 230 million lats. For non-payment of debts, 1925 peasant farms were sold under the hammer from 1930 to 4764, and from 1935 to 1939 - already 26 thousand peasant farms. The ruin of peasant farms continued constantly, and in 1940 already the SOVIET power wrote off various debts of peasant farms in the amount of more than 350 million lats ... THE FARMING PROPERLY flourished
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 21: 52
          0
          About 70 thousand peasant farms were horseless, 45 thousand did not even have cows. Since 1930, the debts of peasant farms have amounted to 230 million lats. For non-payment of debts, 1925 peasant farms were sold under the hammer from 1930 to 4764, and from 1935 to 1939 - already 26 thousand peasant farms. The ruin of peasant farms continued constantly, and in 1940 already the SOVIET power wrote off various debts of peasant farms in the amount of more than 350 million lats ... THE FARMING PROPERLY flourished


          If you give the numbers, then work hard and indicate the total number. 70 thousand households without horses. How much was all in the country? Or they were all without horses. I can also give you statistics. 300 Russians have closed individual entrepreneurship over the past six months. So what? A poor country now? If you write, then write everything. So it is impossible to draw any conclusion from your inserts. I am ready to consider your point of view, but the information is required complete and indicate the source.
      6. ele1285
        ele1285 25 October 2013 09: 47
        +8
        Would be fertilizer for german cabbage
      7. Romanychby
        Romanychby 25 October 2013 09: 59
        -5
        Everything was cleverly ruled out. Plus. In Soviet times, life was not good for all ordinary people. And the Balts turned out to be the most unhappy, and decided to rewrite history. Before God, we will all answer for our actions.
      8. Flooding
        Flooding 25 October 2013 10: 02
        +5
        Quote: Orel
        To be honest to the end, the Baltic republics have few reasons to love the USSR, there are objective facts that speak both "for" and "against"

        What is the conclusion? A strange set of well-known facts ...
        The Minister of Defense of Latvia expressed himself in this regard in the presence of hundreds of foreign participants of the conference much shorter and more accessible: We are welcoming German boots on the ground here in Latvia ever since 1940 (Since 1940, we have been pleased with the German boot on Latvian soil).

        More details: www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130911/212836747.html
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 15: 03
          +2
          What is the conclusion?


          The conclusion is simple. We have nothing to share now. The Baltics are independent and we have to put up with this, we don't need to prove to anyone that we created heaven on earth for them. The Baltic states, on the other hand, should not flirt with fascism, it is worth parting with Russophobia and sacredly preserve the memory of Soviet soldiers and take care of veterans who should not be afraid to wear Soviet orders and medals
          1. mixxlll
            mixxlll 26 October 2013 00: 45
            0
            I understand you, both ours and yours
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 26 October 2013 15: 19
            0
            Quote: Orel
            The conclusion is simple. We have nothing to share now. The Baltic states are independent and we have to put up with it, we don’t have to prove to anyone that we created a paradise for them on earth.

            Is someone on an official level trying to prove otherwise?
            Quote: Orel
            The Baltic states, on the other hand, should not flirt with fascism, it is worth parting with Russophobia and sacredly preserve the memory of Soviet soldiers and take care of veterans who should not be afraid to wear Soviet orders and medals

            And here is the big problem. And precisely from the side of the official Riga.
            So which of the xy?
      9. screw cutter
        screw cutter 25 October 2013 10: 47
        19
        Enough of the Wikipedia links to stick here.
        Now the legend is very widespread that the First Republic was a very successful state. But here is the assessment of K. Ulmanis himself in 1933: “Now we cannot get away from the idea that what was drawn to us in 1918/19 has not been achieved. And if those who sacrificed themselves for the future for the future stand up and come to ask us for an answer for what they have done, then all of us together will not be able to give a satisfactory answer. The founder of the state of Latvia can be trusted.
        Here are the numbers. By 1932, only 61 thousand people were already working in industry, and production was only 284 million lats (34% of the 1913 level). Unemployed were 31 thousand people, half of those working in industry. What does this volume of production mean? It makes only 150 латов per capita. The dollar at that time was worth 4,5 lats, that is, the volume of production was only 33 dollars per capita per year - but the “sanitary cordon” worked. Latvia continued to stand and “guard” European democracy from the Soviet Union, which was developing its economy and had already exceeded its 1913 level by 7 times. Like that soldier on the parade ground in Tsarskoe Selo, whom the tsar put to guard the flower that grew in the courtyard, but he forgot. And the guard stood in this place for 120 years, until the revolution.
        The cordon is no longer needed, the guard can leave. To History
        But in August 1939, the unexpected happened - the foundation on which it was built and stood since 1918 - the “sanitary cordon” suddenly left the Republic of Latvia. The "cordon sanitaire" was simply not needed, its time was over - the situation in Europe developed in such a way that the two leaders of large countries on both sides of this cordon, Hitler and Stalin, found it expedient to make friends. Make friends temporarily, just for a year and ten months, only to solve each of their current issues. But this was enough for the entire "cordon sanitaire" to fail - it was liquidated. And the “cordon” thought that he would be forever and continued to stand guard, although there was already nothing to guard. And neither Molotov nor Ribbentrop has anything to do with it, it's just that time is up.
        Thus ended the short and unsuccessful German excursion of Latvia to Europe. In 1918, the Germans stood at the cradle of the Republic of Latvia, they accepted her birth, in 1939 they handed her back to where they took it. They no longer needed her.
      10. yurii p
        yurii p 25 October 2013 10: 54
        +5
        "There is Russia and it is not totalitarian" ...... but I regret that Russia is not a totalitarian state, at least the USSR was respected and considered with its opinion by everyone in the world, including the United States, and the people lived in a calm atmosphere there was no such rampant crime , houses were left unlocked, children and girls walked around at any time of the day without fear of anyone, murders were so rare that it was considered an emergency, and now they write about murders and speak of them as ordinary events, only for this one can vote for totalitarianism, and for that one thing can be said to the facts that you cite as arguments, if the USSR did not act like that, it would find itself in the current position of Russia, which is trying to regain its importance in the world, i.e. to return to the place of the USSR, but without a radical method this cannot be achieved, example Syria confirms this, (they were not afraid to go to confrontation with the United States)
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 14: 53
          -3
          I regret that Russia is not a totalitarian state, at least the USSR was respected and considered by everyone


          Do not understand what you are talking about !!! So long as there are such people, we cannot carry out any modernization of the country. Neither I did not live there, and I hope we will not live in a totalitarian society. I talked with those who suffered from totalitarianism. Tell them that everyone respected the USSR. I think you will not care who respects the USSR, if someone from your relatives was shot on an incomprehensible charge or simply disappeared ...
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2013 05: 32
            0
            Quote: Orel
            Neither I did not live there, and I hope we will not live in a totalitarian society.

            Why then are you bashfully hiding behind the Soviet flag, show the color of your conscience!
            Quote: Orel
            I think you will not care who respects the USSR, if someone from your relatives was shot on an incomprehensible charge or simply disappeared ...

            The accusations are always clear, but in court everyone shouts "I'm not guilty, he came himself!"
      11. LENINGRADE
        LENINGRADE 25 October 2013 11: 03
        +6
        To be honest to the end, they don't have much reason to love Europe either! Crusades, Teutons, you know! Just left the USSR after themselves, and what Europe !!!
      12. DEfindER
        DEfindER 25 October 2013 11: 54
        +6
        Quote: Orel
        1. The USSR was the first to introduce troops into the Baltic during World War II;

        Read history first before writing.
        As a result of difficult negotiations, on September 28, 1939, a Mutual Assistance Pact was signed with Estonia, on October 5 - with Latvia, on October 10 - with Lithuania. In addition to the obligations of mutual assistance, these pacts were provided by the USSR with naval and air force bases on the territory of the Baltic republics, and Lithuania, in addition, received Vilnius and the Vilnius region. However, despite the agreements concluded, the ruling circles of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania continued to pursue a policy hostile to the USSR. The situation changed dramatically only in July 1940, when democratic elections were held to the Seims of Lithuania and Latvia and to the State Duma of Estonia. Then, as you know, Soviet power was proclaimed in these republics.
        Quote: Orel
        2.The USSR pursued a policy of dispossession and collectivization in the Baltics (before that private business and farming flourished there)

        Where did you get that? They would read about collectivization, dispossessed mainly of those kulaks who were engaged in sabotage and prevented collective farms, the state bought out the rest from the rest of the grain and livestock at the market prices to create collective farms. And collectivization pulled the peasants out of the Middle Ages and poverty.
        Quote: Orel
        But in the USSR, people suffered from cruelty no less.

        You probably don't know anything about the USSR, only those who deserved it suffered there, even those traitors who participated in the punitive operations of the Nazis were sentenced after the war for only 10 years, because every person was appreciated and the stake was placed on his re-education and not elimination.
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 14: 58
          -2
          Would read about collectivization, dispossession mainly of those kulaks who were engaged in sabotage and interfered with the collective farms, the rest of the state bought grain and livestock, and at market prices to create collective farms. And collectivization pulled the peasants out of the Middle Ages and poverty.


          Nationalization required the surrender of everything and everyone, and there could be no question of any ransom at market prices !!! There was no money in the country for this ransom, so they simply took away from those who worked better and distributed it to everyone, including those who neither ... I did not do, but only drank and stole ...
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 25 October 2013 22: 40
            0
            Quote: Orel

            Nationalization demanded to surrender everything and everything and there was no question of any buyback at market prices !!!

            Well, you give, i.e. do you think everyone should have died from hunger, giving all that they have? Turn on the logic before writing.
            Quote: Orel
            There was no money in the country for this ransom,

            There was nothing, the Bolsheviks had to spend a lot of the country's gold reserves on re-equipping the army, and on the creation of collective farms, and further industrialization. Even church gold was used to reform the country.
            Quote: Orel
            so they simply took away from those who worked better and distributed to all

            Read more fairy tales, those who did not have anything worked well. owed to the fists and worked out their debts. And those whom dispossessed did not work at all. read what a fist is, at least according to Dahl's dictionary.
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              Nu daaaa ... 25 October 2013 22: 54
              -5
              Well, you give, i.e. do you think everyone should have died from hunger, giving all that they have? Turn on the logic before writing.


              With logic, there was nothing to do with it - whoever the collective farm didn’t go to waste, they were given such norms that couldn’t be fulfilled in print and punished for failure to comply with deportation to Siberia. You are interested in when people were driven to collective farms and when there were repressions in '49, the connection is direct.
              1. DEfindER
                DEfindER 26 October 2013 00: 35
                -1
                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                whoever the collective farm didn’t go, they were given such norms that it would not be possible to carry out in printsip

                The norms of grain procurement were such that a person with his own farm had to give the state a certain amount of grain in the form of a tax, while taking into account the productivity of labor, he himself had more than enough to live on.
                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                and punished for non-compliance with deportation to Siberia.

                Those kulaks who were engaged in wrecking were sent to Siberia, because all the peasants went to collective farms and no one began to work for them, so the kulaks took revenge.
                1. Nu daaaa ...
                  Nu daaaa ... 26 October 2013 00: 55
                  -1
                  he himself had more than enough to live on


                  fool
                2. Nu daaaa ...
                  Nu daaaa ... 26 October 2013 01: 16
                  0
                  Those kulaks who were engaged in wrecking were sent to Siberia


                  Kulakov, you say, it's mainly women and children ...
                  For 4 days from March 25 to March 29, 20 people were forcibly sent from Estonia to Siberia in "teplushki" and wagons for transporting cattle, of which "men - 713, or 4579% of the total number, women - 22,3, or 9890, 48,2%, and children - 6066, or 29,5% ”

                  Memorandum of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs Commissioner V. Rogatin to the USSR Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs V. Ryasny "On the resettlement from the Estonian SSR"
              2. Babon
                Babon 26 October 2013 13: 32
                0
                And what about education, how many universities were there?
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2013 05: 40
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            Nationalization required the surrender of everything and everyone, and there could be no question of any ransom at market prices !!! There was no money in the country for this ransom, so they simply took away from those who worked better and distributed it to everyone, including those who neither ... I did not do, but only drank and stole ...

            And if RAO UES is taken from Chubais, you will also argue that Chubais worked well and created a company for himself? Tell us a story about how the kulaks made money by their labor. The fist is the same oppressor as the industrialist; he is not a farmer who works on his own land.
        2. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 22: 06
          -1
          As a result of difficult negotiations, on September 28, 1939, a Mutual Assistance Pact was signed with Estonia, on October 5 - with Latvia, on October 10 - with Lithuania. In addition to the obligations of mutual assistance, these pacts were provided by the USSR with naval and air force bases on the territory of the Baltic republics, and Lithuania, in addition, received Vilnius and the Vilnius region. However, despite the agreements concluded, the ruling circles of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania continued to pursue a policy hostile to the USSR. The situation changed dramatically only in July 1940, when democratic elections were held to the Seims of Lithuania and Latvia and to the State Duma of Estonia. Then, as you know, Soviet power was proclaimed in these republics.


          If you already know history, then you are aware of a border incident at the border. The USSR accused the Baltic country with an army of one and a half men not without you not without accusation! Do you seriously think that a small Baltic country wanted to attack the USSR? After that, do you remember Comrade Molotov's ultimatum? If you remember, talking about democratic elections is complete nonsense. The Finns did not buy into it later and, as a result, won their independence ...
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 25 October 2013 22: 47
            -1
            Quote: Orel
            The USSR accused the Baltic country with an army of one and a half men of aggression, not without!

            Link to the studio
            Quote: Orel
            After that, do you remember Comrade Molotov's ultimatum?

            There were no ultimatums in relation to the Baltic states, specify what you mean.
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 26 October 2013 01: 07
            0
            Quote: Orel
            If you remember, then talking about democratic elections is complete rubbish.

            They even showed you a photo of how the Balts wanted in the USSR, and you are all rubbish and rubbish ..
      13. smile
        smile 25 October 2013 13: 28
        15
        Orel
        To be objective to the end. then we must admit the objective facts:
        1. They never had statehood and prospects for its formation. Territory. on which they lived, were torn away or bought by the Republic of Ingushetia from Sweden as a result of the aggressive wars unleashed by Sweden. All. what they had built, right up to the houses — before the revolution, the Russians built it with Russian funds. The states were created by the Entente to deprive Russia of access to the B Sea. We recognized them under the threat of hostilities, for which we did not have forces then. In essence, this is a robbery against Russia.
        2. All local supporters of leaving Russia (and there were plenty of them) were physically destroyed and placed in camps. In fact, until the age of 40, they were semi-fascist dictatorships, poor and hungry. That is why the support of their people for joining the USSR was so strong is a fact. and do not leave him. There was no prosperity of speech and there was no wild poverty, no TAS farmers were successful - if at the time of the Republic of Ingushetia they supplied products to Russia, then at 20-40 they did not supply it anywhere. There are about 800 builders in all of Latvia. These are their official numbers. Think about it ... And with the return in 40 of our illegally seized territories, they had prospects for a normal life and development of their people, its culture ...
        3. And what is condemned there in the policy of the USSR in the Baltics? There were no collectivizing excesses there. For example, in Lithuania in the pre-war period, about 14 thousand unreliable were deported, not planted, not shot, resettled. with the issuance of podchemnyh. But. according to German data, as a result of the expulsion they lost 3000 agents, all German sabotage and terrorist plans in Lithuania were disorganized. By the way, the same number of Baltic states fought for us as they did for Hitler. There was, in fact, a civil war.
        4. That they have no reason to hate us. reading is especially touching ... you can immediately see how much you "understand" the topic ... well, no. and what, do they not hate? :))) Tell this to local Russian and Baltic politicians. Total Russophobia is the core of their state policy and the only thing that is intelligible there. Take away Russophobia - they will have nothing left ...
        Your opinion should be based on facts, not on perestroika agitation, otherwise it is not an opinion, but tolerant stupidity, nothing. except for the propaganda hostile to us, not confirmed.
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 22: 15
          -1
          The states were created by the Entente to deprive Russia of access to the B Sea. We recognized them under the threat of military action, the forces for which we did not have then. In fact, this is a robbery against Russia.


          And the signing by the Bolsheviks of a humiliating peace in which the Empire lost large territories is not robbery?

          All local supporters of abandonment as part of Russia (and they were full) were physically destroyed and seated in camps.


          And after the proclamation of Soviet power in the Baltics, no one was imprisoned? And totalitarianism was not there? Was there democracy and general prosperity? I am interested to hear your answers.

          And what is condemned there in the policy of the USSR in the Baltics? There were no collectivizing excesses there.


          This is complete nonsense, but what happened then? Private business? Or all the same, they took away the property and drove everyone into collective farms?

          That they have no reason to hate us. reading is especially touching ... you can immediately see how much you "understand" the topic ... well, no. and what, do they not hate?


          Do you think there is? You are here proving to me that we have brought them heaven on earth and immediately say that I am wrong when I say “that they have no reason to hate us” So, in your opinion, they have reasons for hating us? You wrapped yourself up ...
          1. smile
            smile 25 October 2013 23: 31
            +4
            Orel
            1. The strong predatory world imposed on us by Brest is a robbery, but if the Bolsheviks had not signed it, this would be suicide of the entire German country, nothing would have stopped. when the Bolsheviks created an army, the backbone of which became the officer corps of the Republic of Ingushetia, and accumulated at least some strength, the Brest peace was annulled exactly six months later.
            2. After voluntary entry :)) The Baltic states in the USSR naturally planted some, the Balts settled accounts with each other, first they planted the others. then the roles changed. the Nazis also had a hard time, of whom there were quite a few divorced under the influence of Germany. Naturally, the Soviet system at that time was quite tough. The country was surrounded by solid white swans from all sides. claiming to our territory, armed to the teeth, winking merrily over their sights. I hope you remember. that the massive abandonment of sabotage groups lasted the entire period of 20-30 years.
            And the totalitarian dictatorships in the Baltic countries were not a bit softer. The difference is that under Soviet rule, people began to live better, that's all.
            2. You first check your chksh for reliability. and then distribute the assessments — they did not fully collectivize them in the Baltic states.

            Regarding the last paragraph, if you meant that they have no reason to hate us, but under the influence of Russophobic propaganda and the Nazi legacy, they absolutely hate us unreasonably, then I apologize. If you mean otherwise, then I consider your answer as an attempt to dodge. Unsuccessful.
            A counter question, why are you diligently avoiding the fact that the Baltic states are illegitimate rejected territories of Ingushetia and, accordingly, territories legitimately returned to the USSR? After all, this completely cuts off all the pathos of your statements. What is there to talk about? We just returned what they stole from us. And they tried to use stolen goods to our detriment.
            Are you satisfied
      14. Ribwort
        Ribwort 25 October 2013 22: 12
        -2
        Quote: Orel
        1. The USSR was the first to introduce troops into the Baltic during World War II;

        This was done by Peter I after he conquered and then bought these lands from Karl (hell knows what, you never know Karlov in Geyrop ...)
        Quote: Orel
        2. The USSR pursued a policy of dispossession and collectivization in the Baltic

        As well as on the rest of the lands belonging to Russia ...
        Quote: Orel
        USSR people suffered from cruelty no less. Therefore, it is not fair to reduce everything to nationalities.

        That's right. Although, cruelty does not appear by itself out of nowhere. In the conditions of that time, it was justified. Otherwise, the results could be completely different.
        Quote: Orel
        There is Russia and it is not totalitarian, whoever says what.

        Yeah, she's churkophilo-tolerant-liberal-shitty. Well, what do you want, what is the national leader, such is the country.
        1. Orel
          Orel 25 October 2013 22: 22
          -2
          That's right. Although, cruelty does not appear by itself out of nowhere. In the conditions of that time, it was justified. Otherwise, the results could be completely different.


          I agree here. But this is a separate topic. I'm not saying that everything that was done then with the Baltics was in principle unacceptable, I am only talking about the fact that everything there was far from as welcoming as the newspaper Pravda wrote then, and many here do not want to admit this and believe in the fact that totalitarianism has never been to the Baltics ...


          Yeah, she's churkophilo-tolerant-liberal-shitty. Well, what do you want, what is the national leader, such is the country.


          I would not speak so humiliatingly about Russia! But everyone has their own opinion. Yes, and our leader is not bad, but such as we deserve.
          1. Ribwort
            Ribwort 25 October 2013 22: 27
            -3
            Quote: Orel
            I would not speak so humiliatingly about Russia!

            Believe me, I DO NOT WANT it myself. But, in the light of recent events and against the background of our leader's comments ... Somehow it suggests itself.
            Quote: Orel
            And our leader is not bad, but such as we deserve.

            Here, too, very tolerant. Who is it who determines what kind of leader we deserve?
      15. Revolver
        Revolver 26 October 2013 04: 45
        +1
        Quote: Orel
        6. The USSR no longer exists. There is Russia and it is not totalitarian, whoever says anything. Therefore, the Balts have no reason to hate the Russians and our country today.
        Nazionalizm was, is, and will be irrational.
      16. Setrac
        Setrac 27 October 2013 05: 16
        0
        Quote: Orel
        To be honest to the end, there are not many reasons for loving the USSR in the Baltic republics

        To be honest, at the time of the accession of the Baltic states to the USSR, immigrants from Georgia ruled, claims against Russia are not addressed.
        Quote: Orel
        1. The USSR was the first to introduce troops into the Baltic during World War II;

        You adjust the chronology of events to your opinion. Let's dig deeper, when there were no national formations on the territory of the Baltic states, in principle, these are the Baltic invaders on Russian soil.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 October 2013 08: 57
      +7
      Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
      Who in Riga is hampered by a monument to the liberators?


      These countries only understand symmetrical policies, it seems the dad wanted to build a nuclear power plant? There is a wonderful place on the shore of Lake Drysvyat, you can please all the Balts at once, and solve all questions about the monuments, SS and Gestapo men of the past, present and future
      1. Turik
        Turik 25 October 2013 10: 06
        +2
        The Balts think that if they demolish all the monuments to the "bloody totalitarian regime", then at once great Baltic happiness will come and God will send manna from heaven on them - sprats will be more prolific, it will be easier to bargain with cheese with Europe, the economy will skyrocket and Estonians will even buy a fourth tank ?

        They fed them the whole union, built everything there that is possible, protected them from all kinds of scum during the Second World War, and at the end they throw out such tricks.
    4. Airman
      Airman 25 October 2013 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: Milafon
      Question: "Who in Riga is hindered by the monument to the soldiers-liberators?"
      Answer: "Pid-ssam"

      One gets the impression that the authorities in Latvia are now the descendants of the incomplete Essesses. In vain after the war they were put in camps, it was necessary to shoot on the spot, children in the orphanage with a change of surnames, then now there would be less stench.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 25 October 2013 11: 47
        +2
        Quote: Povshnik
        One gets the impression that the descendants of the dead SS men are now in power in Latvia

        That's why I put two "S" in the word pid-ssy.
    5. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 25 October 2013 16: 43
      0
      Oh, not on time Onishchenko leaves, not at all on time!
  2. makarov
    makarov 25 October 2013 08: 26
    +8
    The dead have no shame !!!!!!!!
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 October 2013 08: 44
      +8
      Quote: makarov
      The dead have no shame !!!!!!!!


      This is true, but it is bitter because the Baltic SS-men and their last survivors have no idea what "shame" and "disgrace" are.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 25 October 2013 22: 15
        -2
        Quote: Hudo
        the unfinished Baltic SS men and their last ones have no idea what "shame" and "disgrace" are.

        And who will remind them of this? Isn't it Putin?
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 October 2013 08: 26
    +4
    Meanwhile, the initiative has already reached the Latvian parliament, and Latvia is not a presidential, but a parliamentary republic,

    It is hardly believed that this parliamentary republic will do something against the dismantling of the monument. So, with a quiet glanders and remove it.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 08: 32
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      It is hard to believe that this parliamentary republic will do something against the dismantling of the monument.

      The question is, if those 300 thousand who came to the monument on May 000 go outside and go with sticks to the president and parliament, where they all sit there. How long will it take for this mass of people to burn down the president’s residence and the parliament building ?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 25 October 2013 08: 55
        +2
        Alexander, if they do, then not all of these 300 000, again unfortunately. The police will kill all with sticks, including veterans.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 09: 03
          +3
          Quote: aszzz888
          Alexander, if they do, then not all of these 300, again, unfortunately

          If even 200 thousand leave, the fascist power will be overthrown.
          1. Petrucho
            Petrucho 25 October 2013 09: 32
            +7
            Come out! Be sure to leave! And if you consider that our police force is full of Russians, then this is quite within their power. They’ll just tear down the monument. These are all young people with their own initiatives. Young people are not afraid. Accustomed for 20 years to consider themselves exceptional. They hope that NATO will help them ... laughing The older generation of Latvians themselves will not want such a buchi. Well, as I said - he wants - he will receive!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 09: 48
            +3
            Airman
            You slapped me a minus for what I called the local government a fascist?
  4. largus886
    largus886 25 October 2013 08: 34
    +6
    What are these dwarves of the Chukhons hired!
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 25 October 2013 08: 49
      +5
      Quote: largus886
      What are these dwarves of the Chukhons hired!

      Zaborzeli, simply simply, the tsuki, hid behind the EU and NATO "hump", so they woke up, in them, unmeasured courage.
    2. Starfish
      Starfish 25 October 2013 10: 07
      +3
      The war for Latvia will not end as long as hundreds of thousands of hostile people live in the country.

      exactly. it was not long to wait for the last hostile people in Latvia to go abroad migrant workers. and then the Riga region will be inhabited only by friendly descendants of the Soviet people laughing
  5. Vadiara
    Vadiara 25 October 2013 08: 44
    +6
    That’s why the monuments should be touched ... Handsome, people tried and did. And the authorities will demolish and not choke. I hope the demonstrators will pour it and by all means ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 08: 46
      +8
      Quote: Vadiara
      That's why you need to touch the monuments ... Handsome,

      It's not about beauty, but about the history and memory of the fallen.
    2. smile
      smile 25 October 2013 13: 46
      0
      Vadiara
      God forbid they will pour it in ... but when the "Cannon" was demolished in Klaipeda on Victory Square, no one poured anything into anyone. True, then we had an elbon, now it will not fail.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 26 October 2013 04: 59
      +1
      Quote: Vadiara
      That’s why the monuments should be touched ... Handsome, people tried and did. And the authorities will demolish and not choke. I hope the demonstrators will pour it and by all means ....

      In general, in terms of artistic value, the monument is so-so. But this is not a matter of artistic value, but of the idea that he symbolizes. Therefore, it’s not so much to demolish - even to offer it is the same as for military graves nacp @ t. Eh, Stalin would have risen from the grave even for a year - this Janis would have devoured Siberian snow.
  6. Bykov.
    Bykov. 25 October 2013 08: 47
    +3
    ... Who in Riga is hindered by a monument to the soldiers-liberators? ...

    Everyone, with their Russophobic, domestic and foreign policies! So he fell and crushed them more!
  7. fklj
    fklj 25 October 2013 08: 49
    +7
    Fascist shortcomings. NATO sixes do not sit quietly, they bark at Russia - let us pass by our ears, and they will answer for the monuments to our ancestors!
    And we will restore the monuments! We will definitely restore it!
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 25 October 2013 09: 33
      +3
      Come and restore?
      1. fklj
        fklj 25 October 2013 10: 04
        0
        Remotely does not work.
      2. RBLip
        RBLip 25 October 2013 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        Come and restore?

        we'll come. on the tanks.
  8. Nitarius
    Nitarius 25 October 2013 08: 53
    +4
    I think that RUSSIA SHOULD BE SUPPORTED TO THESE RUSSIANS AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MIGRATE TO RUSSIA!
    Then we have population growth! and you can populate the FAR EAST with this population!
    give work, etc.
    And then let THESE SHAVES OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAVE and EAT their SPRATS there!
    1. USMC
      USMC 25 October 2013 22: 54
      -1
      Quote: Nitarius
      I think that RUSSIA SHOULD BE SUPPORTED TO THESE RUSSIANS AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MIGRATE TO RUSSIA!
      Then we have population growth! and you can populate the FAR EAST with this population!
      give work, etc.

      and so the fact of the matter is that they seem to complain, but no one is in a hurry to Russia too! not alarming? Have you ever thought about whether it is true that everything that is written about the Baltics in the Russian-speaking media and Russian-speaking residents of the Baltics say?
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 26 October 2013 00: 13
        -1
        Quote: USMC
        So the fact of the matter is that they seem to be complaining, but no one is in a hurry to go to Russia!

        By the way, quite a few, if not confusing, come, like about 1000 people a year. There are quite a few Russians from the Baltic States, studying at Russian universities and in the process, finding work, stay here.
  9. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 25 October 2013 08: 53
    +6
    Idiocy, I read what the Baltic politicians say, but the feeling is that I’m reading the history of the illness of a mentally ill person who was pumped with cocooto chemistry, so much that his brain was dry.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 October 2013 09: 22
      +4
      Quote: artist-mamluk
      the feeling is that you read the history of the illness of the mentally ill

      Well no! Finally, they show their essence, which they have been hiding for a long time.
      1. Airman
        Airman 25 October 2013 09: 37
        +4
        Quote: Egoza

        Well no! Finally, they show their essence, which they have been hiding for a long time.


        Not essence, but ESSENCE!
  10. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 October 2013 08: 54
    +5
    But I don’t understand in any way why our government is constantly silent or something is muffled under its breath, because in fact it is enough to react harshly once and all this will stop, and a terrible howl will rise, but in my opinion we should not care deeply .Let a couple of bombers "accidentally" fly over the Latvian parliament, they say they got lost. Or here's a favorite trick of the Cold War: we collect a column of tanks on the Latvian border, and forward to the Latvian customs, after reaching the border, we suddenly turn back, the action can be repeated many times, on the joy of our tankers and to the horror of the Latvian parliament and border guards.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 25 October 2013 09: 36
      +7
      Still, it's not worth rattling your arms. But it is necessary to react harshly. Moreover, despite Onishchenko's departure, there are a lot of options.
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 25 October 2013 10: 24
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      we sharply turn back, the action can be repeated many times, to the delight of our tankmen and to the horror of the Latvian parliament and border guards.

      so you can forget to turn around once ... and so normal. they will shit liquid.
    3. USMC
      USMC 25 October 2013 23: 13
      -2
      Oh well. Well, we certainly know that countries where the population is slightly more than in the Southern Administrative District of Moscow, you know how to scare. but Latvia is a member of NATO, and the collective defense of NATO has not been canceled!
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 25 October 2013 23: 22
        +3
        Quote: USMC
        Latvia is a member of NATO, and the collective defense of NATO has not been canceled!

        Let me tell you a secret, lions don't fight over a mongrel. And, happen, God forbid, what kind of conflict, Latvia will be rewarded only with sympathetic speeches and wishes from its NATO colleagues. Don't believe me? Remember how at the beginning of World War II, Western countries, in particular Great Britain, actually sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler, so that he, God forbid, would not look in their direction. Fact? Another one! The same will happen with Latvia. But, if this makes you calmer, continue to believe in fairy tales.
        1. USMC
          USMC 25 October 2013 23: 42
          -2
          Quote: Ribwort
          And, God forbid, what kind of conflict happened, Latvia will receive only sympathetic speeches and wishes from its NATO colleagues

          in principle, this is a rather controversial issue. on the one hand, Latvia is really not the country, because of which it is worth getting into a large-scale conflict (and with the Russian Federation, you will not do with a local one). but on the other hand, abandoning it in such a situation is a blow to the integrity of the alliance, because its main point is precisely in collective security. but at the same time, in the Russian Federation, not stupid people are in charge (for all my "love" for the Russian Federation, but it cannot be underestimated), and they will hardly get into armed confrontation with the NATO country
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2013 06: 18
            0
            Quote: USMC
            but on the other hand, abandoning it in such a situation is a blow to the integrity of the alliance, because its main point is precisely in collective security.

            It is the Europeans who think that this is the meaning of the alliance, in fact the meaning of the alliance - America is fighting with Russia by the hands of Europeans, and the United States will not "die" for the sake of the Baltic states.
        2. Nu daaaa ...
          Nu daaaa ... 25 October 2013 23: 45
          -2
          I'll tell you a secret, lions don't fight over a mongrel


          I would not be so sure about that ... they train in any case seriously ...
          The Americans
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOJJqN_mRbk
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y94lwdcjagw
          Brita
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkA9EAn7ekI
          French and Poles ...
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6_zEOnDQ7U
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idpbQtEHAFU
          Attack aircraft and transport
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6gV6BkOayI
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2013 06: 18
            0
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            I would not be so sure about that ... they train in any case seriously ...

            You forgot about the Georgians, they were also seriously trained by NATO.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 27 October 2013 06: 15
        0
        Quote: USMC
        but Latvia is a member of NATO, and no one has canceled the collective defense of NATO!

        This very "collective security of NATO" has never been tested in practice.
  11. wulf66
    wulf66 25 October 2013 08: 56
    16
    Baltic fags ... are just trying to end the colonial legacy ...
    1. Alex toll
      Alex toll 25 October 2013 09: 13
      +5
      Cool photo ! smile
  12. Alew
    Alew 25 October 2013 09: 36
    +7
    Yes, now in Latvia euro is introduced, taxes and prices are raised. they are thinking about where else to get money. and a monument - it is necessary to distract people.
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  14. Migari
    Migari 25 October 2013 10: 01
    +5
    In such situations, our government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs need to act as harshly and decisively as never before, in order to once and for all discourage these geeks from tearing off their mouths, and to stain the most sacred that we have, monuments to thousands of our dead soldiers who gave their lives to their homeland, and for what would these ur.dy live now.
  15. Neighbor
    Neighbor 25 October 2013 10: 09
    +1
    If they do demolish it, buy it back and deliver it at the border.
    1. I am
      I am 25 October 2013 10: 57
      +3
      Not a bad idea. But I personally like the variant with tanks more, it is somehow more aesthetic, or something ...
      1. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 25 October 2013 12: 32
        +8
        That is, move the border to the monument?
  16. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +5
    Damn, but when they already get tired of getting out. Straight is not parliament, but some fools and clowns.
    And it is worthwhile to shout at them, run to snitch into NATO, poke a dirty finger in the direction of Russia and hide behind the backs of the Anglo-Saxons.
  17. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    0
    A minute of silence was booed up in Nazran in memory of the victims of the terrorist attack in Volgograd
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 25 October 2013 11: 06
      +1
      Arifoglu further writes that Azerbaijani migrants are the most prepared and organized, since they went through fire and water, many of them went through the war. “The Azerbaijani state is obliged to use them in its own interests,” he writes. Because what is happening is a "war of the nation-state", defeat in which will cost too much for Azerbaijan. Finally, according to him, “our national potential in Russia allows us to form a whole army, but we need the simplest thing - to organize a reasonable defense, self-organize, not to lose Russia

      there are enough fools everywhere.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 26 October 2013 00: 18
      0
      Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
      A minute of silence was booed up in Nazran in memory of the victims of the terrorist attack in Volgograd

      There is a little, it didn't seem like it was. And the video that began to walk on the Internet was slightly edited.
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 October 2013 10: 35
    +2
    To make it clear what the “National Association” of Latvia is, it’s enough to give a brief description: these are several thousand people who are inflated with cheeks by incurable Russophobia.

    Nobody will demolish anything and is not going to .. It's just that the boys are promoting themselves before the elections and we are helping them in this! They are not worth it for us to discuss them!
  19. ele1285
    ele1285 25 October 2013 10: 37
    +1
    Quote: Vadiara
    That’s why the monuments should be touched ... Handsome, people tried and did. And the authorities will demolish and not choke. I hope the demonstrators will pour it and by all means ....

    Beauty is IMPORTANT, otherwise Gelman's friends would have cast such a thing ...
  20. major071
    major071 25 October 2013 10: 40
    +8
    When a person is little of himself, and I want to remind myself of good, then all means are good. Even trampling memory. There will always be those who support you. Some are out of mind, some are for money, and some just have nothing to do. Talking about the problems of the state will not bring popularity. In Latvia, everything is fine, but the invaders do not let sleep, and the monument takes up a lot of space. But there it is possible to hold gay parades and marches of fascist defiles that brought freedom and democracy to the Baltic states. And the Russians are invaders and unworthy of memory.
    Years through 30-40 In Latvia, they will also come to the monument to the Liberating Soldiers, but no one will remember any Bordans, Jesalnieks, Weidemeine.
  21. igordok
    igordok 25 October 2013 10: 47
    +6

    In the Baltic states, memory is very selective.
    Salaspils. Forgotten Concentration Camp
    http://cr2.livejournal.com/215280.html
  22. morpogr
    morpogr 25 October 2013 10: 53
    +2
    Latvia no longer knows how else to do nasty things to Russia, so they are fighting with monuments, he will not give back. These people are completely abandoned by the brain; pathetic and worthless people want to do this. Latvia as a civilized country ceases to exist.
  23. Dym71
    Dym71 25 October 2013 10: 54
    +2
    The full face of the minister in the photo is very revealing - the imagination immediately estimates a Nazi uniform for him.
  24. LENINGRADE
    LENINGRADE 25 October 2013 10: 55
    +3
    They have paranoia! Why say four such holidays in the year - "Day of Remembrance of the Victims of the Genocide of the Totalitarian Communist Regime directed against the Latvian People" in March, June, August and December !!!
  25. pensioner
    pensioner 25 October 2013 11: 01
    +4
    As far as I remember, Latvia signed an agreement on the maintenance of WW2 monuments. So that they will not dare to break it. Or they won't dare ... So they are doomed to viciously hiss and bark at this monument for the rest of their lives. And that's all. The arms are short.
  26. Semurg
    Semurg 25 October 2013 11: 11
    +1
    the proposal to demolish the monument is not a gut. I was interested in something else two or three days ago there was a news about the awarding of our head of the region with the Order of Friendship of Russia for the construction of a new memorial of Glory there are only 12 comments, of which half are from Kazakhstan, and here already 70. Maybe when they build it in the order of things, when they break this savagery. Maybe when you need to approve a good deed is not interesting, but when to kick these "Balts" is sacred. So I am thinking about "patriotic statements" on the site, some one-sided "patriots" only ready to negative.
    1. smile
      smile 25 October 2013 13: 59
      +4
      Semurg
      Well, I read this article, put a plus sign and went on, a good thing, no one argued with anything, what to write about? Just for show?
      Now, if your, for example, compatriots would inflate the Russophobic Sabbath, as they did on the branch next to that article at the same time, then of course I would answer, to howls about the Russian colonialists ... Here you are, when this comment was written forgot about it? But you did not pull your Russophobes off the chain of those who broke in those comments. How so? is it called tolerance? Why is it your tolerance that you always take anti-Russian positions? You even here managed to spit in our direction. Maybe it's time to be treated? Ah, Sagat, what do you think? Or, in your opinion, is russophobia a natural state in which every non-Russian person should be? Here. Damn, who's about what, and lousy about the bath.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 25 October 2013 18: 49
        +1
        smile. and hello to you, my distant Baltic friend. Do you all go with a patrol in search of Russophobia? laughing
        1. smile
          smile 25 October 2013 20: 05
          0
          Semurg
          And hello to you, my distant Central Asian counterpart! :)))
          And why go, then you yourself come to us, we do not come to you. :))) You will not cling to us - no one will touch you. :)))
          I see, we'll have a scandal for another year and really become friends, what do you think? :)))
          Probably, if only they met, they would get drunk to the screeching of a pig, fraternize and laugh like crazy, giggling with each other, like, do you remember me then, yeah, but what did you answer me ... :)))
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 26 October 2013 10: 05
            0
            anything can be. the only beer I sometimes indulge in is vodka passed stage.
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  27. stalker
    stalker 25 October 2013 11: 12
    +1
    They are trying to erase the memory of the liberators who saved the world from fascism, including their microscopic states, only we remember and will never forget.
  28. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 25 October 2013 12: 37
    +2
    Moreover, pay attention to the kind of nonsense: the Baltic states, Poland and other former socialist countries - monuments to our soldiers are being destroyed, although these soldiers did nothing wrong to these countries. And the Germans, who got more from us than everyone else put together, overhauled the monument in Treptower Park several years ago.
  29. SK12
    SK12 25 October 2013 14: 23
    +4


    Latvians made a film about the occupation. Only facts, testimony of witnesses, as it was in reality.
  30. komissar
    komissar 25 October 2013 14: 34
    +2
    By this, they want to eradicate from future generations of citizens of their country the memory that Latvia was once part of a great state called the Soviet Union.
  31. ko88
    ko88 25 October 2013 15: 28
    +2
    as one humorist said: the Baltic states are like your cat, lives at your expense, petty crap and pretends that he does not understand you. sad
  32. Janis SU
    Janis SU 25 October 2013 17: 08
    +6
    The monument to the soldiers-liberators hinders only the Nazi henchmen and their descendants. With great respect and reverence for the Soviet soldier, who did not spare his belly beat the Nazis in the name of peace and life! Every year the whole family goes there on May 9, since this is essentially the holiest holiday. My Latvian ancestors fought in the Red Army and this is a matter of our special pride. They did not bend their backs in front of the Fritzes and did not kill civilians, as did the legionnaires from the Waffen SS and other scum that now crawled out of their cracks.
  33. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 October 2013 17: 20
    +1
    I remember Latvia 80 well. Studied in Riga. Soulful and respectful people are Latvians. Always prompt, advise. But if you decide to go to a cafe in the evening (there are a lot of them in Riga), be ready to meet (necessarily) with a "hostile group of people". Rough shouts. insults ... Therefore, to visit such institutions alone, to put it mildly, was not recommended. I imagine what is happening in Latvia today. Of course, politicians are at the forefront of anti-Russian sentiment. But they have great support from local nationalists. So that the memorial needs to be upheld (if, what) by the whole world
  34. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 25 October 2013 17: 58
    +2
    In Riga there is at least some kind of "booze" in defense, or against, with the collection of signatures, etc.
    And we did everything quietly at the Maryamägi memorial, turning it into a memorial to all the Waffen SS troops who fought in Estonia. What about the monument "Eternal Flame" on Tõnimägi, called by someone "bronze soldier"?
    When suspicions crept in, the authorities said that do not worry, we are just putting things in order. Ktozh thought that order is the destruction of monuments ... angry
    So good luck to the Latvian neighbors in upholding monuments and curbing neo-Nazism.
    1. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 25 October 2013 19: 02
      +1
      Friends, we will always be with patriots who preserve the memory of thousands of soldiers of the Red Army, those who gave their lives for the liberation of the Baltic states from fascism.
  35. Puler
    Puler 25 October 2013 18: 31
    0
    I consider it necessary ... to introduce tanks ... to overthrow the regimes ... THE MEMORY OF OUR GRANDFATHER IS STRONGER! THIS IS THE POWER, AND THE MAIN FAIR ATTITUDE TO THE MEMORY OF THE FOLLOWED FOR THE CLEANING OF THE RUSSIAN LAND FROM THE FISH INVADERS (THE AMRICAN ASSOCIATORS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS) AND FUCKING ALL OF THE POWERS!
  36. Janis SU
    Janis SU 25 October 2013 18: 51
    +4
    Quote: Peaceful military
    In Riga there is at least some kind of "booze" in defense, or against, with the collection of signatures, etc.
    And we did everything quietly at the Maryamägi memorial, turning it into a memorial to all the Waffen SS troops who fought in Estonia. What about the monument "Eternal Flame" on Tõnimägi, called by someone "bronze soldier"?
    When suspicions crept in, the authorities said that do not worry, we are just putting things in order. Ktozh thought that order is the destruction of monuments ... angry
    So good luck to the Latvian neighbors in upholding monuments and curbing neo-Nazism.


    Thanks for the support! But in Riga the situation is somewhat different than it was in Estonia. Firstly, the overwhelming majority of Riga residents actively visit this monument and wholeheartedly support it. Secondly, there are more people in Latvia who consider this to be a personal matter and in no case will abandon the attempt to destroy the monument without serious consequences.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 25 October 2013 19: 40
      +2
      Quote: Janis SU
      Quote: Peaceful military
      In Riga there is at least some kind of "booze" in defense, or against, with the collection of signatures, etc.
      And we did everything quietly at the Maryamägi memorial, turning it into a memorial to all the Waffen SS troops who fought in Estonia. What about the monument "Eternal Flame" on Tõnimägi, called by someone "bronze soldier"?
      When suspicions crept in, the authorities said that do not worry, we are just putting things in order. Ktozh thought that order is the destruction of monuments ... angry
      So good luck to the Latvian neighbors in upholding monuments and curbing neo-Nazism.


      Thanks for the support! But in Riga the situation is somewhat different than it was in Estonia. Firstly, the overwhelming majority of Riga residents actively visit this monument and wholeheartedly support it. Secondly, there are more people in Latvia who consider this to be a personal matter and in no case will abandon the attempt to destroy the monument without serious consequences.

      Yes, you and with the Russian language collected signatures for holding a referendum and Zhdanok in MEPs, brought live Negroes to the session of the European Parliament (a stateless person, this is a non-citizen, abbr. Negro), the newspaper "Chas" and many more. And here ... Although we must pay tribute to the effectiveness of the Estonian titular Gestapo and the solidarity of the Estonian titular fascists. angry
  37. SK12
    SK12 25 October 2013 19: 36
    +5
    Quote: Janis SU
    Firstly, the overwhelming majority of Riga residents actively visit this monument and wholeheartedly support it.

    Yes, that's right. I constantly notice every May 9th in a crowd of people that comes to the monument, a lot of Latvian speech sounds. In no case can we say that this is a holiday only for Russians. And when some Latvian politicians say that this is a holiday of the marginalized, it becomes simply funny: everything is upside down. They live in their imaginary world, very far from reality, like their story. Just the same holiday of the marginals - this is the march of the SS. It is like gay parades, even the analogy is the same: 30 people are walking, and 300 policemen are guarding, which again proves that all this is imposed from outside, and does not come from the people.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 25 October 2013 22: 18
      +1
      Quote: SK12
      all this is implanted from without, and does not come from the people.

      Your words are like a balm for the soul. I really thought everything was really bad ...
  38. pensioner
    pensioner 25 October 2013 19: 48
    +1
    By the way, this is what the Latvians themselves write:
    The discussion about the dismantling of the Victory Monument is misleading the society, because international treaties prohibit doing this, as indicated by political scientists and politicians.

    In turn, economists warn: discussing the desire to demolish the monument, you need to seriously evaluate the economic aspects, because Russia can painfully recoup Latvia

    Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20131025/214198064.html#ixzz2ikVqGmK2
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  39. SK12
    SK12 25 October 2013 20: 03
    +2
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    Sincere and respectful people are Latvians. They will always prompt, advise. But if you decide to go to a cafe in the evening (there are a lot of them in Riga), be ready to meet (necessarily) with a "hostile group of people".

    I constantly live in Riga and now the situation is much calmer at the household level than in Soviet times. Maybe, of course, I communicate in the wrong circle (more and more in the business environment), but in recent years I really do not see any attacks and insults. In Riga you can approach anyone, everyone will also prompt and advise. Many Russian tourists come and they behave culturally, and not cattle, as in Turkey. Yes, there really are two communities, but people are not at enmity with each other, but are trying to find common ground. Nobody wants war. All discord is cultivated only from above. Ideology is implanted through history and Western "values". But all the same they are not very good at it. And Russia just needs to become strong. As soon as this happens, the Baltics will again be in the field of its influence, without any wars and tanks. And so it will be!
  40. Arkan
    Arkan 25 October 2013 21: 24
    0
    The Balts do not want to be an outpost of the Empire, this is their right. They find it nicer to be the backyard of a geyrope, but this is their usual state. In general, it is always yesterday's tomorrow.
  41. Stasi
    Stasi 25 October 2013 22: 36
    +2
    All this Russophobic policy of the Baltic republics has one goal - to provoke Russia into military intervention in order to appear before the whole world so poor and humiliated for nothing, making Russia an aggressor with imperial ambitions. Actually, if the Balts want to have problems for themselves, they will get them, but there will be no military intervention, they will not wait. All the problems that Estonia received after the desecration of the memory of the dead soldiers and the transfer of the monument will be repeated on a much larger scale. We are a peaceful Russian people, but we will not endlessly endure spitting in the face and humiliation.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 25 October 2013 22: 44
      -5
      I wonder what the problem is? Tell me too, otherwise I for some reason did not notice ... except for not the smartest barking in the Russian media. And a couple of not the smartest State Duma delegates who demanded the resignation of Est. the government and tried to find traces of welding on bronze ...
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 26 October 2013 17: 33
        +2
        The problems that arose in Estonia as a result of the transfer of the monument and the remains of Soviet soldiers were expressed in hacker attacks that paralyzed the work of banks, government and state computer resources, as well as permanently shut down the Internet in Estonia. All this resulted in losses of several million euros for the republic. This was publicly stated in the Estonian government, so your words that there was nothing but barking in the Russian media is simply not true. Either you live in the wilderness and events have passed you by, or you are simply wishful thinking. We do not want any harm to anyone, no one in Russia is eager to annex the Baltic states to themselves, separated - live as you want. All we want is for the Russian-speaking population in the Baltics to have all the rights that are available to a citizen and the ability to freely speak their language. To stop the rewriting of history and the persecution of the veterans of the Soviet army. You consider yourself a part of Europe and Europeans. But the Russophobic policy pursued by the Baltic states shows that you are barbarians, capable of fighting with monuments. Also in Europe, if you remember, fascist symbols and marches of former SS men are prohibited, which you pass freely and with fanfare.
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  43. Janis SU
    Janis SU 25 October 2013 22: 57
    +1
    Quote: SK12
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    Sincere and respectful people are Latvians. They will always prompt, advise. But if you decide to go to a cafe in the evening (there are a lot of them in Riga), be ready to meet (necessarily) with a "hostile group of people".

    I constantly live in Riga and now the situation is much calmer at the household level than in Soviet times. Maybe, of course, I communicate in the wrong circle (more and more in the business environment), but in recent years I really do not see any attacks and insults. In Riga you can approach anyone, everyone will also prompt and advise. Many Russian tourists come and they behave culturally, and not cattle, as in Turkey. Yes, there really are two communities, but people are not at enmity with each other, but are trying to find common ground. Nobody wants war. All discord is cultivated only from above. Ideology is implanted through history and Western "values". But all the same they are not very good at it. And Russia just needs to become strong. As soon as this happens, the Baltics will again be in the field of its influence, without any wars and tanks. And so it will be!

    Even nothing to add. You described the situation absolutely precisely. But there is something unpleasant that should not be forgotten ... Last year I was in the hospital, in the Academic Marine, in Sarkandaugava. There were three Latvians and one Russian pensioner in the ward, who had lived all his life in Latvia and ended his career as a captain of the fishing fleet. A person of wonderful soul, cheerful and not discouraged. Children brought him all sorts of specific goodies and he shared them with us. So he somehow fell asleep and we began to discuss among ourselves the topic of linguistic and citizenship referendums. I said bluntly that I voted for the Russian language because I do not consider Russia a stranger and my wife is Belarusian and we speak Russian with our children. They say to me, but for no reason I have no conscience. I say - but what about the conscience of those who did not give my wife citizenship and thereby deprived many of her civil rights, when she gives birth to Latvian citizens in Latvia? Then he pointed to the glorious grandfather who snored in his sleep. At the same time he said - and what is he to blame? After all, he shares everything with us and, in general, a beautiful soul is a man. Don't you want to take this step for his sake? It seemed to me that one of my Latvian neighbors in the ward (at first I thought that he was generally Russian, since he speaks excellent Russian as well) very warmly towards the Russians and the Soviet Union. At the same time, based on his own stories about his life, he had an excellent friend - an officer of the Soviet Army. It was not so! He shuddered with an angry grimace, they say, this is a matter of principle and a self-respecting Latvian will never make concessions to these Russians. I felt sick already. So everything is correct - a lot is coming from above and the national-degenerate rag-tag is well entrenched there, and in the American embassy they are being trained to Russia ... But still the people are also responsible, although they are already zombified almost at the genetic level. I think we still missed a lot, because propaganda is brainwashing worse than any other acid ...
  44. Janis SU
    Janis SU 25 October 2013 22: 59
    +3
    Quote: SK12
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    Sincere and respectful people are Latvians. They will always prompt, advise. But if you decide to go to a cafe in the evening (there are a lot of them in Riga), be ready to meet (necessarily) with a "hostile group of people".

    I constantly live in Riga and now the situation is much calmer at the household level than in Soviet times. Maybe, of course, I communicate in the wrong circle (more and more in the business environment), but in recent years I really do not see any attacks and insults. In Riga you can approach anyone, everyone will also prompt and advise. Many Russian tourists come and they behave culturally, and not cattle, as in Turkey. Yes, there really are two communities, but people are not at enmity with each other, but are trying to find common ground. Nobody wants war. All discord is cultivated only from above. Ideology is implanted through history and Western "values". But all the same they are not very good at it. And Russia just needs to become strong. As soon as this happens, the Baltics will again be in the field of its influence, without any wars and tanks. And so it will be!

    Alas, one must know and talk about this side of the matter. By the way, are there few opportunists among the Russian who are ready to bark in unison to our degrading nationals? Haven't you heard of those who strive with all their fibers and gills to become more Latvians than they themselves? Adapt virtuosos. By the way, they are despised by those that these. Here, if there is a certain core, then it is, and so the majority seem to look down the wind and do not want to calmly and soberly look at reality. Like, it's safer to live this way. What about conscience? And the realities are the same that Latvia is really half Russian-speaking, and the other half Latvian. Well, if so, then it is absolutely fair to divide these proportions in everything that concerns both the power structures and the linguistic with a civil component. Is not it so?
  45. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 25 October 2013 23: 39
    0
    The demolition of this monument is such a battle, in peacetime. Everything, as at all times, Europe will applaud, and Russia will sharpen its bayonets. The Baltic battlefield and the meeting place cannot be changed.
  46. SK12
    SK12 26 October 2013 00: 30
    +2
    [/ Quote]
    Alas, one must know and talk about this side of the matter. By the way, are there few opportunists among the Russian who are ready to bark in unison to our degrading nationals? Haven't you heard of those who strive with all their fibers and gills to become more Latvians than they themselves? Adapt virtuosos. By the way, they are despised by those that these. Here, if there is a certain core, then it is, and so the majority seem to look down the wind and do not want to calmly and soberly look at reality. Like, it's safer to live this way. What about conscience? And the realities are the same that Latvia is really half Russian-speaking, and the other half Latvian. Well, if so, then it is absolutely fair to divide these proportions in everything that concerns both the power structures and the linguistic with a civil component. Isn't it? [/ Quote]

    In all fairness - all right, who will argue. But in Latvia such justice is simply impossible at the moment. Since the collapse of the USSR, Latvian society was initially planned with social tensions artificially kept in a smoldering state. As long as Latvia is a western colony (not even a colony, but a servant - there is nothing to take from Latvia, except for submission), there will be the very order that is beneficial to the owner. Little is said about this, but after all, not a single ministerial post in our country can be approved without the consent of Washington. Yes, questions need to be raised, principled positions must be defended so that they understand that not everything is so simple and the Russians must be reckoned with. But more cannot be done at the moment. For more, the second part of the population, Latvian, is needed. And in order to change something in the heads of ordinary Latvians who have not yet been affected by the Nazi mold, Russia is needed, and not by concern about the situation of Russian-speaking people in Latvia, but by real changes in Russia itself. Russia must become economically strong, with an economy and politics independent of the West, in order to extend its influence to neighboring countries. Only then will Happiness be here ...
  47. egsp
    egsp 26 October 2013 14: 38
    0
    ... to be a colony of Denmark, Sweden, various orders of chivalry for 700 years is normal. Received independence from Russia - that's it, Russia is an accupant.
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