Military departments are calling to universities

The Russian Union of Rectors (PCP) proposed to drastically increase the number of military departments, which are now open only in 12% of universities. The initiative of the rectors has already been supported by the defense industry, which needs "high-quality personnel to service expensive equipment." However, the Defense Ministry does not see the need to expand the network of military departments: the department plans to form scientific companies from students and graduates.

RSP Secretary General Olga Kashirina said yesterday that Russian rectors consider it necessary to launch a large-scale reform of military education in civilian universities. According to her, now at least 62 of the university from the 19 regions of the Russian Federation would like to open military departments, but the existing legislation does not allow this. “We have been preparing personnel for the defense industry for more than 80 years, we have created a unique system based on close cooperation with companies that are directly interested in this,” Mikhail Gryazev, the rector of Tula State University, explained to Kommersant. engineers and professional officers. Unfortunately, the university has lost it. "

Recall that in Soviet times, military departments were opened everywhere - in 1990, military training was conducted in 86% of universities. Later, the military department sharply reduced their number - from 229 to 72. Sergey Ivanov, who headed the Ministry of Defense in those years, called the majority of the departments "ineffective" and existing only in order "to increase the bribe-carrying capacity of universities."

Today, according to the RSR, military departments are open in 12% of Russian state universities. At the same time, they are extremely unevenly distributed throughout the country — 40% of universities with departments are concentrated in the Central Federal District. The rectors complain that part of the departments with an engineering bias in training are open in humanitarian universities, and not in technical ones. Now in most universities, classes in the departments are held once a week for several years. And during the summer holidays, students go to military training. After completing the course, students receive an officer’s rank and are credited to the reserve.

The PCP proposes to change this system in accordance with the division into bachelor and magistracy. A bachelor who wishes to study at a military department must complete a two-year training course that takes into account his education. After that, he gets the rank of sergeant of the reserve and can be drafted into the army by a specialist - according to Mrs. Kashirina, "with non-karman content." If the student continues his studies at the magistracy, he will go through another year of military training and receive the title of reserve officer.

The idea of ​​rectors has already been supported in the defense industry. “We are in favor of providing the army with qualified sergeants in high-tech specializations,” said Vladimir Gutenev, head of the League of Assistance to Defense Enterprises, State Duma deputy. According to him, both military and civilian specialists complain that after the reduction of military departments, the quality of recruits has greatly decreased. “The army now receives a lot of expensive equipment that there is no one to service,” complained Mr. Gutenev. The head of the Russian Student Union, Artem Khromov, also supports the PCP proposal. "According to the Ministry of Defense, over the past year there were at least 250 thousand dodgers. The military complain that there are no personnel," he said. "The military departments must significantly reduce the number of draft dodgers and interest young people."

In the Ministry of Defense yesterday, the idea of ​​the PCR was rejected. According to a Kommersant source in the military department, the ministry does not plan to increase the number of military departments at universities. “This is quite a difficult job, to which government structures and, in particular, the Ministry of Education and Science should be connected,” the Kommersant source continues. “We have no information about making any decisions in this area.” The ministry is conducting an experiment with "scientific companies", which began to emerge from among the "gifted university graduates" for the first time in this autumn draft. There are already two companies for 35 people - during the service they are engaged in research work, each is assigned a supervisor. "Scientific companies are a good form of involving intellectually advanced youth in the military theme. But it cannot massively resolve the issue of personnel for army service," MP Gutenev said to Kommersant.

Comments

[Asgard]

Topical article ....
The Institute is able to prepare an ENGINEER, but it will only become one at the enterprise !!!!!
But in the power of the "punks" she thinks that a talented conscript with a scientific supervisor will come up with something new, without a production and scientific base ...
Without experience in 18 with what about years ....
Yes, and Scientific companies of 35 people is a platoon ????
there is a substitution of concepts and stupidity ...
result is 0000000000000000predicted)))

[225chay]

Quote: Asgard

Yes, and Scientific companies of 35 people is a platoon ????

)) Well they did not call the regiment))

[Airman]

The figures are alarming: in the Soviet Union there were 229 military departments - the question is, how many universities? And now 12% - how many universities? Now there are thousands of universities and their branches, which will NEVER train specialists for the army. For example, the notorious HSE (Higher School of Economics), in which Pochinik works as a professor, hundreds of legal and economic universities and universities. Which officer can be trained from a philologist, historian, biologist? Where to send them to serve? In the Strategic Missile Forces, air defense or a submarine? Military departments are needed in purely technical universities - Baumanka, Voenmekh and others.

[vladimirZ]

To restore the preparation of the mobilization reserve of officers, it is imperative to restore all military departments in the state universities of Russia that were in Soviet times.
All references to poor training in military departments from the evil one. Interestingly, the former minister S. Ivanov himself studied at the military department and served as an officer after it in the army? Hardly, since he claims that “most of the departments were“ ineffective ”and existed only in order“ to increase the bribery rate of universities. ”This is complete nonsense, as is organized profanation in the form of“ scientific companies ”.
I myself graduated from the military department of the Irkutsk Polytechnic Institute in the mid-70s, and after graduating from the university I was called up to serve as an officer, as they said at that time as a "two-year student". In our squadron, almost half of the aircraft technicians were biennials. And I can rightfully say that two-year lieutenants were in no way inferior to career lieutenants after a military school, and in technical training they were even better prepared.
The only thing that distinguished the behavior of two-year students from career lieutenants from military schools was a more independent position due to the fact that he served for only 2 years, and the staff strap had to be pulled up to 25 years, and therefore had to be "bent" under command.
By the way, I recommend reading the book of A.D. Anyanov, a biennial aircraft technician officer. "Born to Crawl". Those who served will remember their youth, those who did not serve in aviation will recognize the Air Force Engineering and Aviation Service. You read with pleasure, the author's lively original language does not let go until the end of the book.

[vladimirZ]

All those who oppose the restoration of military departments in civilian universities, referring to their "experience" of dealing with "jackets," as they contemptuously call the officers called up from the reserve after graduating from military departments, forget one thing - this is the mobilization reserve of the state command personnel.
This mobilization reserve of the command staff saved the country during the years of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, when almost the entire staff was knocked out within six months of 1941.
The mobilization reserve of reserve officers, prepared at the military departments of civilian universities, is a necessary strategic reserve of the state. If you do not prepare him, who will fight after the first stage of the war, when there will be no staff officers. To do this, reserve officers, qualified in military departments, are needed. Do you think about it, minus one?

[Lesnik]

I see you do not understand the realities of modern war!
About any tank armada and especially mass battles where the wall to wall of hundreds of thousands of soldiers converged for 20 years already can not go!
So the myth of the need for huge mobile reserves has sunk into eternity! And no matter how the retrograde from the so-called military science did not shake off the dust and cobwebs of decades from them, they WILL NOT be returned irretrievably into oblivion!
Although why am I going broke here history does not know subjunctive moods!

[Lesnik]

Listen just funny read! what such second stage are you talking about? Well a pure pindjak with pockets is the right word! Modern wars are fleeting! And if you mean a partisan war by the second stage, then these "nanospecialists" of yours at this stage, let's say, did not climb a pine tree, I expressed myself so politically correct and tolerant so as not to offend you accidentally
I know, I feel like tolerance, let's say genetic dislike

[Genur]

In our 80s, girls studied at our military department. It is pleasant to recall how they, after graduation, came to the department and said THANKS to us for (at least) that we had taught them not to be afraid of technology. Not talking about the guys. I met some of them with the rank of colonel.

[svp67]

The military department made it possible to produce dual-purpose specialists: highly qualified engineers and professional officers. Unfortunately, the university has lost it. "

That’s about

professional officers

here "got excited" ...
Now the "military department" at an institute or university is a legal way to "derail" the army. This whole structure must be radically changed, the army and the state receive "very small dividends from such investments."

[Silkway0026]

our reformers - on one big ship - and where the thread away ...

Well, still it was, everything was in a great country !!!

[alone]

just don’t try to sink the ship. the ship is sorry, it’ll drown, and the reformers don’t drown. as you know, the excrement doesn’t sink)))

[Lesnik]

And the casket just opens:
All this fuss is organized in order to enable the conscript to legally withdraw from service in the combat units of the Russian Defense Ministry. This is the first goal. And the second is to fill students with non-competitive civilian universities

[225chay]

For the leadership of the country, starting with the hunchbacked and under Yeltsman, the main thing was to break up with a clever expression on the face.
and now how many decades will it take to revive, restore that potential?

[Lesnik]

Reading this "lament of Yaroslavna" I can hardly understand what kind of high-tech weapons are we talking about? Are the officers operating this technique unable to train the sergeant on a combat robot? And not a mythical jacket with unknown mental and moral business qualities?

[Genur]

For example, we "took" the most competent officers (engineers) from the units under guardianship to the department as teachers.

[corn]

Quote from the article: "After that he receives the rank of reserve sergeant ..."
and forward to serve in a military accounting specialty, and not to a near-scientific company, which one to slope, did not get forward-ordinary on a common basis.

[Lesnik]

please read carefully
"After that, he receives the rank of sergeant in reserve and MAY be drafted into the army as a specialist - according to Mrs. Kashirina," with non-barrack content. "If the student continues his studies in the magistracy, he will undergo another year of military training and receive the rank of a reserve officer."
and where is the service in combat units? Dear you, do you understand the difference in "service in the reserve" and military service?
In general, there’s nothing to talk about!

[corn]

If I understand you correctly, are you an opponent of military training at a civilian university or do you see it in a different form?

[Lesnik]

Yes, you understood correctly! And yes I see in a different form!

[corn]

If it does not bother you, write in what form, at least in a few words, it’s possible in a personal, interesting.

[Lesnik]

Do not make it difficult! If it’s already so hot to involve non-specialized specialists in the military service and the mobile reserve, then I see their training in the following order:
Three courses of a civil university and then for a year to a military university according to profile, to the faculty of training of the mobile reserve and then study yourself further how much darling you want!
Although no one will go for this loot will float past the trough and this is no way! damage to "state interests how is it that nothing fell into the master’s pocket? no way, ayyai hands off the trough!

[corn]

Sorry, questions:
1. At the military university of all or wish?
2. Why after the third course?
3. Beyond what trough loot, if you offer to teach a person a year, while feeding, drinking, dressing, shoes and sleeping, to lay down, and not serve in the army?
4. Do you think that in peacetime you can become an officer by force?

[Lesnik]

Quote: corn

1. At the military university of all or wish?
2. Why after the third course?
3. Beyond what trough loot, if you offer to teach a person a year, while feeding, drinking, dressing, shoes and sleeping, to lay down, and not serve in the army?
4. Do you think that in peacetime you can become an officer by force?

1) Do you want to become a reserve officer? you’ll go (in other words, you don’t want to go for an urgent term to a military university for a year)
2) Yes, even after the fourth if the training is five-year!
3) Military department in a dead civilian university! (See above)
4) He doesn’t want to (it’s worthwhile to think that there is no competition at a military university and they are driving serfs there)

[corn]

Now I’ll try to explain how I understood you in another language.
1) Your presentation: Do you want to become a reserve officer? you’ll go (in other words, you don’t want to go for an urgent term to a military university for a year).
My statement of your thoughts: DO NOT WANT TO WANT-- EVERYONE IS GOING FOR A YEAR.
2) Your presentation: Yes, even after the fourth if the training is five-year!
I did not understand the answer to the question.
Now in Russia there are 3 levels of higher education:
higher education - undergraduate, specialty;
higher education - magistracy;
Higher education - training of highly qualified personnel.
At each level of education, exams are passed and each level is considered a completed higher education with a diploma. Most likely, not all bachelors will become masters.
The article is proposed at the first level — only a sergeant.
You probably think that in Russia higher education is 5 years old and that’s it.
3) Your exposition: Military department in a dead civil university! (See above)
You offer the sergeant to teach a year is expensive, and if the officer is small and you are even more radical than the authors of the reform, they offer the officer to be taught only in magistracy
4) Your account: He doesn’t want to (it’s worthwhile to think that there is no competition at a military university and there are driven serfs).
He doesn’t want, but the state needs a reserve and I’m not talking about millions of armies.

[corn]

Continued:
Your opinion, in my opinion, is not based on the current law on education in Russia, but on previous knowledge or laws of Ukraine (I looked at your profile).
And, it seems, Ukraine has left a call only to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

[Lesnik]

I propose to select and train sergeants in military units! here you have a sergeant mob! for reasons previously indicated by me.
for reserve officers, you understand correctly! again for the reasons I indicated earlier
radical not radical time will tell
And to prepare for you!
This is in the sense of geography

[Migari]

Well, everything is correct, everything is logical, reduced, now we will increase, then naturally the reduction will be, we are working.

[Kosmodrom]

Are the officers operating this equipment unable to train a sergeant contractor in combat robotics? And not a mythical jacket with unknown mental and moral business qualities?

Do you think the contract sergeant is a navel in the universe? Yes, he can be a specialist. But the contingent that goes to the contract soldiers, in terms of their educational level (as well as their mental and moral business qualities), cannot be compared with, as you say: "jackets". Of course, there are exceptions, but the percentage is in the opposite direction. In the army there are a lot of specialties for which it is necessary to select not specialists (with or without technical education: - "showed - did"), but process engineers who have at least minimal ideas about the physical processes on which the operated equipment is based. Otherwise, competent operation is not possible!

[Lesnik]

Listen, do not teach me how to live, but help me financially.
If I did not thoroughly know the question, I would not have written!
And how and by whom, and by what methods and at what time it is easier for me to train, let me choose and not the State Duma deputy Vladimir Gutenev who does not take care of himself but cares for the State

[Lesnik]

I actually understand who is minus me and for what. It is understandable that at the military department of the International Institute for the Study of Xenological Problems of Far and Ultra-Long Space and Interspecies, Intercivilizational Relations, it is of course good to go through military service next to mommy and proudly look into the eyes of their peers!
Once you messed up the site you are to these as their LGBTechnikami there! there is the place for you

[ia-ai00]

225chay (1)
... and now how many decades will it take to revive, restore that potential?

... 70 years of SOVIET power are needed to restore EVERYTHING!

[RUSBAT]

Quote: vladimirZ

All those who oppose the restoration of military departments in civilian universities, referring to their "experience" of dealing with "jackets," as they contemptuously call the officers called up from the reserve after graduating from military departments, forget one thing - this is the mobilization reserve of the state command personnel.

Dear Vladimir, that they would become a mob. with a reserve they need to consolidate knowledge in practice in the troops, but this is unfortunately not now. Previously, after serving, epaulettes followed 2 years of service.

[Letnab]

And the appeal for 2 years did not affect the consolidation of knowledge? All this leapfrog with an appeal (someone is being called up, and someone is not) of the two-year-olds after universities and leads that many reserve officers cannot consolidate knowledge during the service. Make the service obligatory for them, since at the expense of the state I received a second specialty ..

[Narrator.tales]

There is also practice at the military departments, which is what we are talking about in general, shooting, marching, in Volgograd there is only one in agriculture, and in my technical department, despite the fact that I am studying to be an artillery designer, there is no such practice, that's how to learn when otmaza - you civilians you can’t touch a modern cannon, a rifle. So we are sitting - only lectures, how to design here when I have not seen it in my eyes. When the department was with us, unfortunately before me, everything was: drill, shooting and everything. No one will introduce departments in purely economic universities, what a fantasy, most likely it will only affect technical ones. Ahah, having passed this department, it will not be so offensive that the army will be allowed to shoot 2 times a year, and the war will begin, God forbid, what knowledge will be, and not after this army. I don’t want to throw the enemy with “hats” again.

[RUSBAT]

I know many "officers" who graduated from the military department and received stars for shoulder straps. The stars are only in the head. The sense from them in the army (as a mob. Reserve) without service will be equal to zero. God forbid to get to such under the command in case of war.