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MIC: Profits are wound up on 800% on separate GOZ units

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Control of pricing in the Russian defense industry requires the creation of an audit system, said on Wednesday the deputy chairman of the Military Industrial Commission under the Russian government, Oleg Bochkarev.


MIC: Profits are wound up on 800% on separate GOZ units


“Maybe we will try to make a system of auditors here? What should be the control system so that these auditors are not banally overbought by the business? "- Bochkarev addressed to the participants of the round table held in Moscow, RIA"News».

Bochkarev stressed that the current situation in the field of pricing in the state defense order is unacceptable: "Profits are wound up in individual units and aggregates in the price of 800%."

The defense ministry and industry have repeatedly clashed over the prices of military products, partly because of this, the implementation of the state defense order is delayed year after year.

Bochkarev also said that the colossal funds allocated by the state for enterprises in the framework of the state defense order, which is more than 1,5 trillion rubles, “worked incorrectly”.

“Today, enormous resources on state defense orders are directed to the industry - more than 1,5 trillion rubles, which is approximately two times the volume of the state defense order of the 2012 year. Some enterprises stated that there was no money anymore, but it was physically impossible to spend such large amounts in such a short time. There is a feeling that this money did not work properly, ”he said.

Bochkarev recalled that the volume of state defense orders increase year by year by about 25 – 30%, while advancing enterprises is carried out (80% of order value or even 100%). After the allocation of 1,5 trillion rubles, the state received a tremendous increase in prices for finished military products.

He called on the professional economic community to carefully analyze where and how money is distributed according to the state defense order.

Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin reported that the Russian Ministry of Defense will not be able to completely deviate from the pricing issues for military products. He recalled that at the end of 2012, the law “On State Defense Order” was approved, which will come into effect on January 1, 2014.
In April, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov refuted earlier reports that Rosoboronpostavka would control prices for military-industrial complex products.
Prior to this, there were reports in the media that the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Federal Tariff Service (FTS), Roskosmos and the State Atomic Energy Corporation ROSATOM made a proposal to transfer the cost control functions to Rosoboronpostavka.

Recall that in recent years, the state defense order repeatedly failed to execute, which in 2011 even led to a major scandal when then-President Dmitry Medvedev demanded that the perpetrators of the GOZ-2010 be found and punished.

A number of leading cadres in the Ministry of Defense and at military-industrial complex enterprises were dismissed, but then problems arose even with the conclusion of 2011 contracts of the year. The president and the prime minister demanded to close all the gaps, set deadlines, but did not fully comply with the state defense order.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 24 October 2013 07: 37
    +4
    It may be cruel, but since I have not completed the assigned work, I’ll publicly drive it.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 07: 41
      21
      I remember there was an article with the proposal to put private business on the defensive. It is hard to imagine what the prices will be. The comrades do not care about the country's defense, the only thing that interests them is money and only money. Then they buy houses in Europe and dump them.
      So what to do? But Putin is good with us, if someone will be punished by what some say after Sochi. And then we have the World Cup, then something else. In short, we’ll die sooner than when we start to plant jerkers.
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 24 October 2013 08: 25
        18
        Do not bend the main stick.
        The official is also interested in money for your information.
        Our company is tiny, as it tried to get a government order. 30 percent rollback and go, no problem, work. It was said.
        The turnips were scratched and did not contact.
        Only an official will never invent a new one.
        I worked in one company. Electronics themselves were developed in the field of education.
        10 years have passed, but nobody does anything similar in the world.
        The guys invented the device, speech and sounds become deaf.
        But the authorities said that we would never certify it and would not break it in medicine, since there is no such money for bribes.
        This company was thrown out of the supply sector, why officials have their own companies.
        Now washing powders are sold. The electronics team has broken up.
        Two are gone, the rest have fled to different companies.
        I mean, not only government officials appointed by the state love their homeland.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 08: 35
          +3
          Quote: Konsmo
          The official is also interested in money for your information.

          Come on, it can't be.
          Quote: Konsmo
          I mean, not only government officials appointed by the state love their homeland.

          Who else?
      2. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 08: 33
        0
        Is Putin the sole ruler of the country? Can the president punish anyone?
        Read the constitution.
        The President of the GUARANTEE of the constitution and his main duty is to ensure that the constitution (written by the Americans) is strictly observed.
        More rights do not belong to him. The president is just watching the constitution of the Americans ...
        And you can’t even change it, as the law on such an opportunity has not yet been adopted in the constitution. Already 20 years not accepted. So we live by the constitution, which is not fully approved ...
        And it does not matter who will be the president, Putin or someone else - he will become an ordinary constitutional guardian without rights.
        These are the sad conclusions.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 08: 47
          +6
          Quote: w.ebdo.g
          The President of the GUARANTEE of the constitution and his main duty is to ensure that the constitution (written by the Americans) is strictly observed.

          The guarantor of the constitution says that the law is one for all. All these are ordinary citizens who have no immunity and no money in their pocket, those who do not have a familiar prosecutor or a high official.
          If Putin had a desire, he would have long changed the constitution and the people would have supported him. BUT ............... request
          hello, Sergey hi
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 09: 38
            +6
            Hello Sanya!)))
            unfortunately, the constitution provides for an insurmountable "lock" that does not allow constitutional changes until a law is passed on such a possibility ...
            This law has not been adopted for 20 years. Deputies are not even willing to consider the possibility of its adoption. And without their main majority, this law will not be adopted.
            In 2012, they tried to propose it for consideration, but unfortunately it was rejected. Moreover, the possibility of consideration was rejected.
            Now at this very time there is an attempt to disband Rospotrebnadzor. Onishchenko has already been transferred to the deputies to Medvedev, and they are trying to disband Rospotrebnadzor.
            But Rospotrebnadzor is our only weapon against the impudent WTO.
            understood this and decided to disband it.
            The only ones who can give power to the President are the citizens of the country, but for this we need to go outside in his support and declare our support for the President. So that he could lean on millions of his citizens to change the constitution.
            Otherwise, if he tries to exceed his authority and tries to violate the law to amend the Constitution, he falls under the Hague Tribunal and can be imprisoned on completely legal grounds and will be told that they act completely in the legal field according to OUR constitution.
            They just put the President’s plane on their territory and put them in jail. This is not fiction.
            Unfortunately, this is the truth of life.
            And they are trying to mislead the citizens of the country so that they do not unite in any way and do not come forward as a united front for supporting the President and the possibility of changing the constitution and nationalization of the central bank.
            I think so.

            the picture is just an example of how to go out, and not pathetic piles of 30-40 people.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 11: 05
              +3
              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              until a law has been passed on such an opportunity ...

              What or who prevents to accept? As soon as Putin offers something from the TV screen, the next day, all deputies to distill tear their claws on the TV in order to support Putin's proposal.
              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              And without their main majority, this law will not be adopted.

              Stop, Putin was not long ago the leader of United Russia. United Russia had a majority in the Duma, which or who prevented it?
              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              and Rospotrebnadzor is trying to disband.

              And again the same question, who?
              1. w.ebdo.g
                w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 11: 50
                0
                Sanya, the fact that Putin was the leader of United Russia does not mean that United Russia will urgently push through his bills.
                The party, according to Putin, has been updated from 2000 to 2013 already by 90% and these percentages have nothing to do with Putin.
                They were slowly shoved by anyone ...
                in the end, we have a government that does not obey the President)))
                everything is very competent, I just admire the ability of Westerners to organize mass uncontrollability in the government, but at the same time their occupational laws are adopted in two ways ...
                and the task of the media is another stupid law and hang all corruption on anyone?
                for one single person in the country.
                tell me what is his name? the first time...
        2. Fin
          Fin 24 October 2013 09: 37
          +1
          Quote: w.ebdo.g
          Is Putin the sole ruler of the country? Can the president punish anyone?
          Read the constitution.

          Maybe - to dismiss the government and not attach it anywhere. Separation from the feeder is the worst thing for them. Just do not want friends around.
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 10: 01
            +3
            fin, you're wrong.
            nothing will change for the better if the government is fired.
            management from this step will not pass into the hands of the President (read the constitution). A new government will come, which will be continuous corruption. The president has no authority to pass laws or not to pass.
            He can once reject the law adopted by the government, but the second time he cannot but sign if all the procedures in the government are followed, according to the constitution.
            Also, the president can only submit a version of the law for consideration by the government, and if it does not accept it, he is obliged to amend his law and submit it again until the government likes it ...
            the president has NO authority to effectively govern the country.
            This applies not only to Putin, but to ANY president of the Russian Federation, according to the constitution ...
            I myself thoughtfully read the constitution only 4 months ago and was stunned after reading ...
            Just like you, he scolded the President and did not understand why he did not want to change everything, to plant and dismiss everyone.
            Now understand. He has limited rights in managing the state and only the CITIZENS can give this right to the President.
            But to prevent this from happening, we are separated by various political movements and disorganized by information from the Internet, television, newspapers and radio ...
            1. Fin
              Fin 24 October 2013 11: 52
              +1
              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              nothing will change for the better if the government is fired. Management from this step will not pass into the hands of the President (read the constitution).

              Cadres decide everything. And if they are badly picked up (or intentionally) there will be nothing good. Do not block the GDP; he himself has spread liberals around him.
              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              He has limited rights in managing the state and only the CITIZENS can give this right to the President.

              Enough landings Serdyukov and Skrynnik and all the people will be with him, what is stopping?
              For reference: I support GDP, but this does not mean that I approve of its amorphous domestic policy. The constitution can and should be ruled.
              1. w.ebdo.g
                w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 12: 26
                0
                Fin, how exactly do you propose to "edit" the constitution when the law on the possibility of amending the constitution has not yet been adopted?
                20 years have not been accepted and not even considered such an opportunity.
                Please read the constitution of the Russian Federation and look on the Internet about this not adopted law.
                in order to pass it, the majority of votes in parliament needs to be adopted, and they are not even going to consider this law, so God forbid they do not accept it ...



                here's another


                there is still a lot of material. STUDY THE QUESTION and the truth will be revealed to you ...
                1. Fin
                  Fin 24 October 2013 12: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: w.ebdo.g
                  STUDY THE QUESTION and the truth will be revealed to you ...

                  I studied the creativity of the figures you indicated:
                  1. Fedorov - 70% agree.
                  2. Leontiev depending on who paid.
                  Learn to filter and the truth will be revealed to you ...
                  Quote: w.ebdo.g
                  in order to pass it, the majority of votes in parliament needs to be adopted, and they are not even going to consider this law, so God forbid they do not accept it ...

                  And what is the majority of EP is not in the Duma? And who should expedite the consideration?
                  1. w.ebdo.g
                    w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 13: 29
                    0
                    Fin, unfortunately EP does not obey Putin. They adopt laws with greater willingness, which they are palmed off by various grand recipients))
                    The EP from 2000 to 2013 changed by 90% and these percentages were not accepted by the President himself, but by officials and whom we see there.
                    Now the president has hope ONLY FOR CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY.
                    There is no other option ...
                    1. Fin
                      Fin 24 October 2013 14: 21
                      0
                      Quote: w.ebdo.g
                      Fin, unfortunately EP does not obey Putin. They adopt laws with greater willingness, which they are palmed off by various grand recipients))
                      EP from 2000 to 2013 changed by 90% and these percentages were not accepted by the President in the party of the government,
                      Now the president has hope ONLY FOR CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY.

                      I beg you ... And to whom do they obey? Only without quotes from the party charter. By your logic, they should not have accepted the laws of "Dima Yakovlev" and the prohibition of gay propaganda. This is also contrary to Western values. Obediently raise their paws when they say and will not go anywhere. I still believe that we still have a short one to be compared with the Yankees, but not what you wrote.
                      At the expense of hope, I wrote above. Or for no reason should the people come out and support ... what? Pathogen where?
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: w.ebdo.g
          Is Putin the sole ruler of the country? Can the president punish anyone?

          Well, Khodorkovsky was punished. What a selective punishment system we have. All he can. Just do not want to. The goals are different.
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 10: 30
            +1
            look carefully ...
            found the video is very short, especially for those who do not like long videos))

          2. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 12: 38
            -1
            Conversation on the Constitution of the Russian Federation

        4. Onyx
          Onyx 24 October 2013 11: 27
          0
          I support. Mass rallies of millions (naturally, within the framework of the law) in support of Putin will give him the opportunity, relying on people, to change the state system itself. Otherwise, if he begins repressive measures, his own elite, some of which is a direct agent of Western influence, will strangle (physical elimination, impeachment, etc.). The power in the country belongs to the people. If he wants to change something, he will change; if he wants to sleep, as now, then nothing will change
        5. old man54
          old man54 24 October 2013 14: 27
          0
          Quote: w.ebdo.g
          And you can’t even change it, as the law on such an opportunity has not yet been adopted in the constitution. 20 years have not been accepted.

          Dear Sergey, welcome! hi Why so blindly and naively believe everyone there Fedorov and Starikov from this EP? Well, you are a healthy person, what are you ??? When was the constitution accepted? How many after this, even with the drunk from the Urals, amendments were also made to it? That which does not change it now, so it means that they, Putin and his gang, suit everyone, but would not adjust very well, would change so vividly. Do not agree? wink
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 21: 36
            0
            Good afternoon!
            I hasten to disagree with you about the convenience of the constitution for Putin and his gang))) (but what about Valentin Katasonov ??)
            I carefully studied this issue and report to you on the fact that the constitution is forbidden to change the constitution!))
      3. Armata
        Armata 24 October 2013 09: 44
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        then we have the world cup, then something else
        And then Euroexpo 2020. They promise that after this exhibition we will live as sheikhs in Qatar. Pricing for the military-industrial complex goes at 84 prices of the year with the 1,7 coefficient (if I remember the alignment correctly), but audit is another structure that needs to be fed, and how will this affect prices? After all, no one will forget to include the audit of the enterprise and the pricing group in the estimate (that is, additionally economists).
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 10: 40
          +1
          pay attention to the current Ignatyev looks at the ceiling, frankly showing how he doesn’t care when the President asks him something ...
          And he really does not care, because the president of the Russian Federation does not have the authority to influence the central bank. And the government has no authority, no one in our country has ...
          Ignatiev was exchanged for Nabeulina, but the Central Bank really does not rule her, but her first deputies (12 people)
          all the money of the state is managed by TWELVE people who are in the central bank, which is NOT subject to ANYONE in the country!
          And you say - "The President does not want", this is how they tell you to be as disorganized as possible.
          1. military
            military 24 October 2013 12: 12
            0
            Quote: w.ebdo.g
            And you say - "The President does not want", this is how they tell you to be as disorganized as possible.

            а "wants but cannot" should contribute to the unity of the masses, right? ...
            and not otherwise than under the banners of the newly formed ONF? ...
            1. w.ebdo.g
              w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 12: 46
              0
              Military man, I understand your disappointment with the President ...
              he is powerless ... But this does not mean that you do not need to help him.
              The President will not save us all as Jesus alone saved all people)))
              He needs our help, the support of his citizens.
              Try to understand this by discarding all your ambitions and do not pay attention to what the media say, your acquaintances, friends, relatives.
              You can help the President by understanding all this intricacies of lies and lawlessness, and bring this to your friends, relatives, loved ones ...
              I spent 2 months of regular conversations with my good friend and as a result did not get ANYTHING! (he went to support Navalny and even sent his money to him) I could not. it's difficult.
              BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE!

              we have no other choice. If we want to get out of the occupation and save the country.
        2. Fin
          Fin 24 October 2013 11: 59
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          But audit is another structure that needs to be fed, and how will this affect prices? After all, no one will forget to include the audit of the enterprise and the pricing group in the estimate (that is, additionally economists).

          Under the prime minister’s office, a group of auditors (mini Account Chamber) is created with the tasks of monitoring the state defense order. Only nobody needs it.
      4. military
        military 24 October 2013 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I remember there was an article proposing to put private business on the defensive. It is hard to imagine what the prices would be.

        and private business has long been in the defense industry ... at different levels of cooperation there are not only numerous CJSCs and LLCs, but also individual entrepreneurs ... and not because they themselves "dig the earth with a horn", but because most of the monsters of the defense industry years of reforms have degenerated into structures that are unable to independently implement a closed cycle of not only production, but even the development of HT products ... this is the reality ...
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Commers shit on the country's defense, the only thing that interests them is money and only money.

        this is a controversial statement ... there is a private trader-manufacturer, and there is a private trader-"supplier" ... and, unfortunately, our legislation allows both to participate in "tenders" ... regardless of what is the subject of the auction, be it scientific and technical or serial products ... and the current system of admission to participation in tenders does not at all provide for preliminary "filtering" of applicants for the availability of production facilities and qualified personnel necessary to ensure the implementation of the SDO ... nobody cares, whether they are the holders of originals or copies of KTD ... what is the size of their authorized capital ... the principle is simple ... "who will ask less" ... request
        and, by the way, the "effective top management" of the remaining large enterprises of the defense industry complex shows a personal interest in budget "piastres" to a much greater extent ... because access to these "piastres" is much easier for them ... "commerce" still needs to get to this money, kickback and numerous "tops", and a bunch of supervisory and permissive structures ...
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ... Putin is good with us ... we’ll die sooner than we will wait when they start planting graffiti.

        pessimist: - It can’t be worse!
        optimist: - Maybe, maybe! ... wink
      5. No_more
        No_more 25 October 2013 17: 33
        0
        And now bearings for helicopter gearboxes and submarines, guess who makes? LLC "EPK", and is a monopolist, since "other" let the bearings be exactly the same in fact. And the prices are lomyat - in my memory there was an example when one replacement bearing was needed. They did not want to do it like that (they didn’t do it for a hundred years, God knows how to produce it there), they said that the batch was from 10 pieces, but the customer still agreed. As a result, one sold at a price of 10 pieces. One - because half of the quality control department did not pass, and of those that remained, the customer chose the only ones that were more or less efficient.
        The trouble is monopolization and lack of competition, of course, on the other hand, the reliability of supplies "in which case" is much lower, but here you have to look for compromises.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 24 October 2013 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: ...
      On individual GOZ units, profits are wound up by 800%


      As with all food and non-food items. Otherwise, you can’t buy a cruiser.
    3. military
      military 24 October 2013 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Edward72
      It may be cruel, but since I have not completed the assigned work, I’ll publicly drive it.

      then the thesis should be started with the cabinet of ministers ... under the armpits from the chair - and on the wheel ... one precedent would have been enough for all the places in the government to become vacant sharply ...
      resignation should be the cherished dream of every minister ... wink
  2. fklj
    fklj 24 October 2013 07: 43
    +1
    All for covering this private shop. The defense must be state owned. Then there will be no problems with prices and quality.
    1. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 08: 11
      +5
      in order to cover up this private shop and similar ones - the adoption of laws, courts, the constitution and the central bank should belong to the state, and not be controlled by the colonial government ...

    2. No_more
      No_more 25 October 2013 17: 39
      0
      We are not used to counting state money, especially enterprises are monopolists. Go prove to the one who produces unique products that it is too expensive, slow and not working efficiently. Look at our shipbuilders and their agility. So competition is a guarantee of quality and efficiency, and not nationalization. Of course, it is possible to maintain two state producers of identical products, but then one (the loser of the tender) will always have to be fed for just or skillfully distributing tenders between them. In general, not everything is so simple.
  3. major071
    major071 24 October 2013 07: 49
    +7
    It seems that people are guided by the principle "the state will not become impoverished." There they stole a little, here they grabbed a little more, and they gave others to steal "for life", so there is no money. I hope that I will live to see the time when they will not threaten with a finger for disrupting the supply of weapons, but will give real terms. I am such an optimist.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 24 October 2013 07: 54
      +6
      Stealing everywhere, why can't others? When they fight this, then they will think about it, but for now they will remove them from the post for stealing billions.
      1. My address
        My address 24 October 2013 07: 59
        +6
        You are right.
        Until Putin begins to imprison theft of his friends, there will be no sense. And while not expelled loyal to him, but not the country, figures like Medvedev. And he will not do it.
        No wonder the former prime minister of Hong Kong (?) Said that for the economic miracle he had, for starters, to plant three of his friends, thieves.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 08: 37
          +7
          Quote: My address
          Until Putin begins to plant his friends for theft, there will be no sense.

          Plant a friend, yes it's a joke laughing
          Quote: My address
          . And until he expels loyal to him, but not the country, figures such as Medvedev.

          Yeah, expel Medvedev and put Kudrin wassat
        2. military
          military 24 October 2013 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: My address
          Until Putin begins to imprison theft of his friends, there will be no sense. And while not expelled loyal to him, but not the country, figures like Medvedev. And he will not do it.

          otherwise Putin will become "lonely Putin" ...
      2. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 11: 05
        +1
        Madness of Ukraine
        Valentin Katasonov

        just that he watched this video and was stunned by the information, especially starting from the 7th minute of the lecture ...


        reference to other lectures by Katasonov:
        http://politobzor.net/show-6708-vyukatasonov-o-mire-finansov.html

        forgive me moderators)))
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 24 October 2013 10: 52
      0
      why, when the USSR lost in the cold war, we were left with nuclear weapons and did not finish us off?
  4. basil200
    basil200 24 October 2013 08: 24
    +1
    The defense industry should be STATE and point.
  5. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 24 October 2013 08: 29
    0
    In fact, something needs to be done with pricing. But these 800% are not a new story. Somehow in the 90s I had to place a small order at a former defense industry enterprise. We get the calculation: workshop costs - 800%, factory expenses - 1000%. We ask: why such percentages? They answer us: it has been so long since established. So a priori, considering the state means cheap is impossible. There are always those who want to warm their hands. And that it is possible and necessary to bring prices to economically, I emphasize - economically, justified, yes.
    1. military
      military 24 October 2013 12: 04
      0
      Quote: v.lyamkin
      Somehow in the 90s I had to place a small order at a former defense industry enterprise. We get the calculation: workshop costs - 800%, factory expenses - 1000%

      firstly, this is the 90s ...
      secondly, look at what indicator is in the denominator of the formula that determines the size of the NR (ODA, OXR) and remember what was the salary of the main production workers (executors) at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex in the very 90s ... hi
      1. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 24 October 2013 13: 44
        0
        Here the keyword is not the 90s, but it has long been instituted. I understand that this is a practice from Soviet times.
  6. KOH
    KOH 24 October 2013 08: 36
    0
    Bochkarev stressed that the current situation in the field of pricing in the state defense order is unacceptable: "Profits are wound up in individual units and aggregates in the price of 800%."

    When they get drunk ...
  7. rugor
    rugor 24 October 2013 08: 37
    0
    Well, the author lied a little, 800% is a mediocre fat, for such an order our sorrow industrialists will even think about taking it or not.
  8. lotar
    lotar 24 October 2013 08: 43
    0
    Regarding tenders, you can add the following: This year, some amendments were made to work with tenders, as a result of which the effectiveness of receiving kickbacks or girlfriend misuse of funds only increased. So in the near future, you should not wait for the targeted use of funds, it’s simply not beneficial for those people which are next to this manger, and their reassurance is just an empty chatter.
  9. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 October 2013 09: 21
    +2
    Democracy and liberalism, take as much as you can and even more, the state is rich. A market economy will never be effective, about its effectiveness, all this is wrong. It is interesting when our society realizes that it is time to return to socialism, to a planned state economy.
  10. military
    military 24 October 2013 11: 51
    +1
    “For individual units and assemblies, profit is wound up at a price of 800%”

    here, with all due respect to Mr. Bochkarev ...
    No one changed the FTS order No. 394 ... financial control was again charged with the responsibility of military acceptance ... and they, when agreeing on draft prices and issuing conclusions on the RCM, are strictly guided by this order ... moreover, certain instructions from the Ministry of Defense (third-party) costs, taken into account when calculating the standard profit, today is accepted only at the level of 1% of their size (according to the FTS No. 394, the size is "floating" in the range from 5 to 20%) ...
    the share of profit in the price structure of the final product increases only due to the extension of the cooperation chain when it is created ... and to whom, if not Mr. Bochkarev, know the true background of the construction of such long chains by the Head holders of state defense orders ...
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 24 October 2013 12: 35
      +1
      there is one magic word VAT and the longer the chain, the more magical
      1. military
        military 24 October 2013 13: 56
        0
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        there is one magic word VAT and the longer the chain, the more magical

        there is a lot of magic ... and VAT today is far from the most important thing ...
        our company provides one of the Moscow Region research institutes with radio installation services within the framework of the state defense order ... along with one of the local "monsters" of the defense industry ... our price indicators per unit of the same-named product are three times lower ...
        the question ... who at the research institute benefits from cooperation with the "monster"? ... except top management, nothing comes to my mind ... repeat