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“The structure of the Russian economy is so disgusting that it is not a pity. Sorry for the people! ”

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“The structure of the Russian economy is so disgusting that it is not a pity. Sorry for the people! ”

Russia largely missed the "shale revolution", but not in the sense that we are lagging behind in the production of shale gas. It is possible to recognize the correctness of Miller and Sechin, who stated that in Russia mass production of shale gas is irrelevant.


America does not import gas at all

Russia's problem is not that it does not produce shale gas, although Sechin said that we are interested in such production where there is infrastructure nearby. Indeed, building infrastructure in remote areas is not very profitable. However, it would be nice for us to master the most complex technologies for the extraction of shale gas, and the probability of finding deposits is very high where there was already old hydrocarbon production.

Note that there is already infrastructure there - for example, in the Volga region. So, the problem is that the emergence on a massive scale of shale gas and oil on the world market will inevitably change the structure of the market and the price level.

Here all the views of all our experts about what is happening are either erroneous or it is a good mine in case of a bad game. Talking that shale gas is so expensive that it cannot be exported is absurd. This talk is about nothing, because the two terminals being built by the United States will give exports at a rate comparable to the current exports of all of Gazprom.

Obama’s announcement that America will be the largest exporter of hydrocarbons in the world for the 2020 year is in fact a conservative forecast. And he knows what he says, because he learns about what is happening in the American industry, with a delay of three to four years. America does not import gas at all, and if we look at the decline in the rate of oil imports, this will not happen in the 2020 year, but probably in the 2016-2017 years.

The manufacturing industry of Russia, except for the defense industry, cannot develop

I will note that China is developing shale technologies as a priority task, and he made public his reserves of shale hydrocarbons, and it turned out that they are approximately equal to the US. In addition, China participates in the capital of the largest mining shale companies in America with the sole purpose of technology transfer. Although this is a rather sophisticated technology, there is nothing super-technological there. This is not a flight into space and not a fifth generation aircraft. We need experience and skills of hydraulic fracturing, but, in principle, this is not Bin Newton. So, due to shale gas and oil, a consumer such as China will fall out of hydrocarbons from the market.

Compared to the technology of shale gas production, the development of skills related to the production of shale oil is two to three years behind. It is more difficult to extract oil because of a larger hydraulic fracture, gas comes out of the rock easier than a less volatile substance, but there is no more difference!

The problem is that the fall in prices by a quarter or third of the current brings down the economic balance in Russia, brings down the achieved stability, social obligations and the budget. As a result of purposeful policy, the manufacturing industry of Russia, except for the defense industry, cannot develop - it is unprofitable. I want to note that the structure of the Russian economy is so disgusting that it is not a pity. But the population is a pity! Everything else is demagogy, a misunderstanding and disregard of reliable information.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 24 October 2013 07: 56
    23
    Yes, the sale of factories and plants to private owners for a penny, followed by the sale of equipment for scrap is know-how, this is a hello to Chubais and all sorts of effective managers. It's easier to break than work. This is the principle of lazy people and swindlers.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 24 October 2013 10: 12
      19
      Yes. Okay ...
      Misha Leontiev calls to break the planet with hydraulic fractures, to be like all Anglo-Saxons ....
      They got their territories by killing the Indians, even earlier on the islands by cutting shaving (men) ...
      In Spain, they cut and hanged People inventing the Inquisition ......

      Shale mining is the Inquisition in relation to the Earth, the planet on which we live.
      Misha. You are worse than Leberast, but some people listen to you ...
      Лpeople think what you do ????? !!!!!
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 24 October 2013 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        Misha. You are worse than Leberast, but some people listen to you ...


        I think so too.
        Everything else is demagogy, misunderstanding and ignoring reliable information.

        We must be two steps BEING BEFORE THE PLANET OF ALL! = FROM WHICH DUMP? (so our bros say)

        Where does this all come from? So why moan?

        Misha, not you whether was in the forefront of the destroyers what happened? Instead of repair, they destroyed everything!

        Calm down already! Go to the construction site - do something useful in this life!
        You are our restless critic!
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 24 October 2013 10: 48
        20
        Quote: Asgard
        Misha Leontiev calls to break the planet with hydraulic fractures,

        Personally, I have drawn from this article for myself that with the development of technologies for the production of shale gas and oil, hydrocarbon prices will go down. The budget of our state by a third (if not more) consists of the price of gas and oil.
        The main idea of ​​Mikhail Leontyev is the collapse of the Russian economy and the further impoverishment of the broad masses of the population, thanks to the "skillful" actions of our rulers! All the same, 15 years of ranting about the diversification of the economy of our homeland require a lot of effort and talent?
        This is the main idea of ​​the author! Well, personally, as I understand it.
        Good day to you, dear Asgard (2) hi
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 24 October 2013 14: 30
          +9
          +1 And as I understand it. And although usually I don’t digest Misha Leontiev, but this time I agree with him. I only note that the Government of the Russian Federation for 14 years is all the same. If it was not able to rebuild the economy under favorable conditions, then how will it do in the face of declining oil and gas revenues?
          1. klyka1960
            klyka1960 24 October 2013 17: 12
            +7
            And the fact that together with water, gas comes from the tap in the area of ​​shale gas production, do you not take into account?
          2. atalef
            atalef 24 October 2013 19: 56
            +7
            Quote: Walker1975
            And although usually I don’t digest Misha Leontiev, but this time I agree with him

            In general, Leontiev is not understood, less than a year ago he covered shale gas and convinced everyone that it was complete bullshit (by the way, like countless other authors) Now everything has changed dramatically, and slate gas is an objective reality and it’s like Russia to produce (it’s just not clear why investing in this expensive event. if there is enough gas with cheaper production)
            I think everything is much simpler, Leontiev (as By the way, Onishchenko) was never seen voicing their own thoughts, they are the agents of the GDP line, they are starting to prepare the country for a simple thing, the inevitable drop in prices is not gas and the problems associated with it. The whole course of the government’s GDP, huge investments in gas pipelines (that would bypass Ukraine, that would not come to an agreement), gas pressure on Europe --- Putin thought. that all this will bring dividends in the form that Europe will bend and Putin will twist it. A wild and catastrophic forgiveness has occurred. Europe simply divorced Russia (as it was during the Cold War and the arms race that led to the collapse of the USSR as a result of impoverishment)
            Russia was imposed one by one. more precisely presented (who does not like to take a walk at someone else’s expense) -Eurovision, Astes, the Olympics, the World Cup, lured with gas contracts 9 as well as the construction of the Nord and South Stream gas pipelines) All this cost hundreds of billions of dollars, money that did not return to the economy and did not will create added value (I’m talking primarily about Eurovision, the Olympics, ASTEC, the World Cup in football), crazy investment in gas pipelines is not known when to pay off and whether it will pay off in connection with price increases.
            Russia fell into a beautiful trap, like the last sucker (of course you can’t get anywhere from the mentality of spreading your fingers and declaring that the coolest in the world)
            The money is poher, not invested in the economy, the projects have been completed and we would like to receive dividends, and here Europe - diversification of gas supplies. separation of transport routes (pipelines, under the guise of antitrust competition) and of course shale gas. the production of which is apparently quite profitable (but beautiful articles were sent that it was unprofitable and unpromising) But at the moment when the shale gas production unfolded in full force (and Russia could crush it in the bud, lowering the price at the beginning of the development stage and simply killing the industry not profitability (I'm talking about shale gas) But Gazprom, as always, overslept, trying to chop the cabbage to the maximum and chop the branch on which it sits. I didn’t invest money in developing the economy at my own expense (at various events, half the world). The fund was either spent or in Amer’s bonds, Ukraine almost went to Europe (all because of gas prices)
            Everything turned around. it is Europe that will begin to dictate terms. It reminded me of a long poker game. it's time to reveal the cards. and someone was raising rates all the time, I thought. that will break the bank, but in the end - Someone else got a royal flush on his hands.
            This is what happened to the consequences of this thoughtless GDP policy and is prepared by the population (through Leontyev’s mouth). Many did not notice the pension reform (where it is explained in black and white that in order to get a really normal pension. You will have to work after retirement age - this is a hidden increase in the retirement age ), budget sequestration is spoken directly. that there is no money --- these are Putin’s words (at a meeting with the mayors) for the rest and Leontier is preparing. You will see more and more such articles. This is reality.
            1. karbofos
              karbofos 24 October 2013 21: 23
              +1
              The nightmare has gone through the polymers laughing
            2. tomket
              tomket 24 October 2013 21: 45
              0
              You get the impression that you are either not listening to what Leontyev is saying or you simply don’t understand. Leontyev, by the way, at least during the year at least directly warned of the threat of shale gas, when in fact even in Europe they didn’t understand what they remembered and pushed Obama, but they didn’t understand. He accused Miller of hanging radio noodles of Glavradio on the ears, arguing by the way with the promises that the forum users are operating on, they say pollution is unprofitable and so on. Incidentally, one of the last programs expressed the opinion that if nothing is done for our economy within a year or two, Putin will go down in history as a traitor. in fact, what line of GDP can we talk about here? about the WTO, he also spoke harshly. Speaking of the trap, Eurovision was especially amused, and it seems like Merkel persuades Berlusconi to vote for Bilan, and he resists the woman more to his taste)))))
              1. v.lyamkin
                v.lyamkin 25 October 2013 12: 06
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Eurovision was especially amused, and it seems like Merkel persuades Berlusconi to vote for Bilan, and he resists the woman more to his taste)))))
                - I also presented it from your submission, thank you, the mood has risen !!!!
            3. Botanologist
              Botanologist 24 October 2013 23: 08
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              It reminded me of a long poker game. it's time to reveal the cards. and someone was raising rates all the time, I thought. that will break the bank, but in the end - Someone else got a royal flush on his hands.


              Well, this is just one point of view. You have too many assumptions - that shale gas will become a serious product, that Europe will diversify all supplies with great reliability, that traditional supply markets will not change, and much more.
              And, by the way, about the lack of money for the modernization and failure of Sochi, APEC, etc. For mass events, at least a couple of cities were normally provided with infrastructure, which would never have happened without APEC and Sochi. And as for industry - I believe that they invest a lot, only everyone steals. And again, to whom to give?
              This is, of course, a matter of the capacity of the Government of the Russian Federation, and without solving this issue all other problems cannot be resolved. At least with APEC, even without it.
            4. Konsmo
              Konsmo 25 October 2013 07: 56
              +3
              All this is garbage.
              The budget is calculated based on $ 91 per barrel. Actually, the average price is under 110 dollars. (15 percent more.)
              January 1, when the champagne has not yet come out of all the cracks. We will be told that everything was really well done, then we are again with a budget surplus. This is a trick of the Kudrinsky financiers to cry and not give money for development. The first year you live or what? and go to Wall Street.
              Americans are not only kudrina may be called the best economist, but he also put an equestrian monument next to a bull and a bear on Wall Street. His associates are sitting in the Ministry of Finance. So you still have to figure out how to rob your country.
        2. tomket
          tomket 24 October 2013 15: 58
          0
          understood correctly
      3. Altona
        Altona 24 October 2013 11: 56
        10
        He doesn’t advise to engage in mass production, as I understand it, but only to master the technology in the places of the developed deposits ... The places of production are already spoiled ecologically, so there will not be much worse ... Read carefully ... For the economy, he correctly said , it is vile and inefficient, all our advantages are monetized and sold to our entrepreneur at world prices, which in itself is absurd ...
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 24 October 2013 17: 36
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          to master the technology at the places of developed deposits ... The places of development are already spoiled in an ecological sense, so there will not be much worse

          And why? Increase export even more? Sell more but cheaper?
          America, after 15 years, will experience all the charms of oil shale, spoil half of the states and stop this scam. With China it’s more difficult but the territories are in short supply. And one friend correctly said that the chemical composition of oil shale is very dirty and building refineries is much more expensive
          Quote: tomket
          Yes, who will ask you will be in America, whether you like shale gas production or not

          About how. Of course, they will not ask us, but they will ask how from their authorities. At the elections. The Americans want to live well and in a clean environment.
      4. tomket
        tomket 24 October 2013 15: 57
        0
        if Misha calms down, they will not get less gas from America, in general, the ostrich behavior of the members of the forum amazes me, they ascertain a fact that has already happened, and they are small children, we don’t like it, Misha, you call for the destruction of the planet. but who will ask you will be in America, whether you like shale gas production or not7 is useful for the earth or not7 should be reacted rather than into a debate about tastes.
      5. Alex toll
        Alex toll 24 October 2013 16: 32
        +1
        Recently I read an article about shale gas and understand correctly "for what I bought for that I sold"))))

        In general, the essence of the article is this: Shale gas production is really expensive and can be profitable only at the same time as oil production, and gas in this situation actually gets gas as extra. and it turns out it’s profitable, but separately it’s just infrastructure that is expensive to build.

        And let's not forget that such breaks are not clear how they will affect - maybe earthquakes will cause or the waters will change the underground channel and there will be deserts in the places of the break - in short we will see when the Americans on their land spoil at first and by the way they use some chemical compounds that are very harmful + they don’t conserve these gaps - there are also some consequences, there are consequences for the environmental situation, and by the way, preservation is expensive since in our country it’s permissible to fill it with concrete to the full depth, and this also famously affects the cost price.
        1. Luna
          Luna 24 October 2013 23: 48
          0
          Is this the article?

          “Scare Russia with shale gas?” Flag in hand! "

          http://nvspb.ru/tops/pugayut-rossiyu-slancevym-gazom-flag-v-ruki-52502
      6. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 24 October 2013 19: 37
        +2
        Hydraulic fracturing is not a novelty for Russian oilmen, as far as I remember, they wanted to apply it at the Romashkovskoye field (already depleted - they skimmed the cream and pumped water into the wells - a barbaric method that leaves most of the oil in the reservoirs), the cost of hydraulic fracturing from one well was estimated at 96 250 thousand American rubles. Mikhail is ringing the alarm about the "shale threat not because we are lagging behind in technology, we have enough gas in classical fields, but because Gazprom can be squeezed in world markets - export volumes will be reduced, and if the United States really wants to (and this can happen) , then they will drop prices by 30 percent - after all, they extract it along the way with oil from shale, the cost is relatively low. Again, if China begins to develop its shale, world consumption will fall. on the same rake as in the 80s.Industrialization requires a sufficiently capacious market (the Eurasian Union with Ukraine - so that the population is more than 200 million), the transition from liberalism to state capitalism in all basic industries (which is partly already being done) and Gosplan (that is, a scientific approach to state planning of economic development - this is what the Japanese learned from us and very carefully.) The West is looking for weaknesses in Russia. ova of foreign exchange receipts to the treasury - the export of hydrocarbons, the share of imports in food is 50%, in the shirprtreb it is not less, if demand falls and prices for energy resources begin to be difficult as in the late 80s. Now while there is time and means for industrialization, tomorrow they may not be. This is resisted by modern Russian business (a large company with registration in offshores), and Mikhail is not sorry for him, by the way, me too. Good luck to Putin.
        1. Luna
          Luna 24 October 2013 23: 55
          0
          And at first they shouted as if defective, But they came to their senses and now they gave a prize

          http://slanceviy-glas.livejournal.com/145617.html
      7. poquello
        poquello 24 October 2013 20: 15
        +4
        Quote: Asgard

        Shale mining is the Inquisition in relation to the Earth, the planet on which we live.
        Misha. You are worse than Leberast, but some people listen to you ...
        Лpeople think what you do ????? !!!!!

        The woodpecker probably got a sweet tooth for agitation, once before he had never heard such nonsense from him. However, time goes by, and the roof goes.
      8. timer
        timer 24 October 2013 20: 45
        +2
        This Leontiev as two of the periodic box. pops up on the box and carries all sorts of crap. He remembered earlier that he wiped himself, and proved that shale gas is excellent, now he wipes out and proves that it’s bad.
        I believe that all the talk about shale gas is a large-scale bred! Not a threat to the environment. And the US really wants Russia to fall for it. Believe me, a little time will pass and they will stop talking about gas. They will say that it is unprofitable, etc. And the fact that we have a mess in the economy, and the current government is more like impotent, is and without Leontyev people know. Russia urgently needs to jump off the oil needle. And then it ends up like a rotten drug addict, to get bogged down.
      9. alone
        alone 24 October 2013 21: 40
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        Misha. You are worse than Leberast, but some people listen to you ...
        People change your mind what are you doing ????? !!!!!


        Mikhail Leontiev is a very interesting person. He is a great strategist who identifies and destroys enemies with one finger, he is a great economist who sees something that all economists in the world cannot notice, he stands for the people, he clings to power! The question arises , who are you, Mikhail Leontyev?

        The answer is simple! he is like a chameleon, adapts to any circumstances. and by the way he usually praises everything, he has a good jackpot. and we all know that whoever pays, he orders the music
      10. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 25 October 2013 01: 11
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        Misha Leontiev calls to break the planet with hydraulic fractures, to be like all Anglo-Saxons ....

        Read the article carefully again. He does not call for shale gas production in Russia; he laments about the expected fall in prices.
        We have something "for what" we need shale gas when there are a lot of conventional deposits.
        But the fact that the money will be tight - yes. And there really isn't anything of its own - solid imports. Pitchfork ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 October 2013 11: 07
      10
      exactly! lived when the word "economy" meant only hydrocarbon trade !!! am
    3. vezunchik
      vezunchik 24 October 2013 22: 49
      +1
      but this policy continues ....
  2. mak210
    mak210 24 October 2013 08: 00
    14
    Well, confused. One (specialist) says that shale gas - a typical trick http://topwar.ru/34570-pugayut-rossiyu-slancevym-gazom-flag-v-ruki.html, the other (to put it mildly - not special) - yells about the lag . Who to believe? I don’t understand anything.
    1. MuadDib
      MuadDib 24 October 2013 08: 09
      23
      Greetings. Do not trust anyone. It's like poker - in the end everything will become clear. In the meantime - look.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 24 October 2013 09: 11
        14
        Quote: MuadDib
        Greetings. Do not trust anyone. It's like poker - in the end everything will become clear. In the meantime - look.

        - But still there was one techie who wrote "shale gas? Flag in the hands of the States!" I am inclined to believe him. As for unprofitability, what about subsidies? All agricultural USA on subsidies and nothing, their disgusting chickens are still exported. With shale gas, everything is exactly the same - they will subsidize, and the whole question is. Better to subsidize than to deathly depend on someone else's supplies. China is also able to finance its gas production at the expense of its other economic sectors, among which there are SUPER RENTAL. So what? I don’t understand, but what has it to do with the development of this environmentally very harmful technology in the fire department? Why not "go down slowly and take the whole herd", why hurry? Clarify where haste is appropriate? To pump a super-harmful (at the level of the famous heptyl) special gel underground for the sake of extracting the very substance that is not a question in Russia and just get it, just a hole in the ground and pump it - why? Perhaps, it is necessary to master it within the framework of experimental scientific and experimental production, to keep a hand on the pulse. But I don't understand to apply on a grand scale when there is no need at all.
        And about the fact that export earnings will suffer - Duc can be easily solved. Putin declares that the issue with Greenpeace must be resolved taking into account the latest achievements in the field of humanism. Why invites the chairman of all "Greenpeace" to the meeting. He esessno, arrives at a meeting in which there will be two meetings - one protocol, official, the other confidential. The ceremonial release of the "pirates" from the Sun Rise and the beginning of large-scale financing by Russia of the noble task of environmental protection of the Planet are announced on the protocol. All other details are negotiated on the confidential one, including even the assistance of special services and others. That's all. And then world news will be full of reports that Greenpeace employees are blocking shale gas production in the United States, especially since the reasons for blocking are MORE THAN ENOUGH! And in response to the executions of US police officers by the Grinisovites - and there will be executions, the United States is not accustomed to clattering with those who interfere with them, Russia should raise a fuss at all sites, including the UN and even defiantly send a fleet to the shores of the United States. Didn't it occur to you? For those who like the phrase "these are not our methods, we are not so cruel (the options are mean, nasty, cynical) - I am a fan of the phrases" WEDGE IS BREAKED WITH A WEDGE "and" Eye for an eye + interest, tooth for tooth + interest "! , another good phrase "All means are good to achieve the goal" is not a very good phrase, but in this context the use of GRINPIS is not so directly disgusting and inhuman means, there is no need to la-la.
        1. Don
          Don 24 October 2013 16: 32
          +2
          Aksakal fully support you. You need to keep your hand on the pulse, but why do you need these cries about what is now directly necessary when you can get it in the usual way.
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 24 October 2013 08: 15
      +4
      Quote: mak210
      Whom to believe?

      Do not believe anyone, it’s more practical ....
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 08: 18
      19
      Quote: mak210
      I don’t understand anything.

      Leontyev is trying to be a professional everywhere, in all areas, that's all. About shale gas he picked himself up from the Internet and brought it to the public. But there is another option, he took a denyuzhku from lobbyists of shale gas.
      1. savantol
        savantol 24 October 2013 08: 29
        +8
        He lies, says a lot, knows little, this technology is a fraction of perfection. While it is expensive and not very profitable. It’s hard to transport, and liquefied gas will always be more expensive.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 10: 20
          +5
          Quote: savantol
          He lies, says a lot, knows little, this technology is a fraction of perfection. While it is expensive and not very profitable.

          good I agree. But there is still a benefit. First of all, the tales of shale gas hinder the growth of natural gas prices. This situation is beneficial to the consumer, but the supplier loses profit. Here come up with fairy tales. You know who the consumer is and who the supplier is.
        2. Very old
          Very old 24 October 2013 15: 31
          +1
          Liquefied - it requires additional costs. First, squeeze, then back. Plus for each operation special technology and equipment. Yes, and transportation
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 October 2013 20: 37
            +4
            Quote: Very old
            Liquefied - it requires additional costs. First, squeeze, then back. Plus for each operation special technology and equipment. Yes, and transportation

            The meat is frozen for transportation (as example 0 and nothing. The technology was worked out, money was invested in the equipment and the grandmother drove it to distant lands (from the same Argentina. Australia, N. Zelandia). No one asked. What is it cheaper to bring meat than to grow it? in Europe or Russia? Gas in Qatar costs almost nothing .and it didn’t just be blocked up. It is infinitely large for such a small country. They will invest in equipment (more precisely, have already invested) and in the fleet (But Russia did not invest in gas pipelines?) Of course, through gas pipelines delivery is cheaper, but it’s cheaper for Ktar. people are smaller (which means lower budget costs) and there is a great desire to hegemonize the world market. Therefore, a price war is not inevitable and has already begun. And shale gas will only fade it
            1. Very old
              Very old 25 October 2013 07: 00
              +1
              You are closer to Qatar, and there’s nowhere to take to you anymore. That’s why you Syria across the throat - everything becomes clear. Business, and nothing more. Your shirt ...
          2. Walker1975
            Walker1975 24 October 2013 23: 01
            +1
            Let me remind you that Russia has supplied gas to Ukraine for more than $ 500. Any production, any liquefied gas will be cheaper here. So forget about the word "unprofitable"
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 24 October 2013 23: 06
              +1
              Quote: Walker1975
              Let me remind you that Russia put gas to Ukraine for more than 500 dollars.
              Let me remind you that it was not Russia that exposed it, but Julia beg for it. Is the difference clear? The previous contract, concluded under Kuchma, had not yet thought to end by that time, so there was no other meaning in concluding a new contract did not have request
              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 25 October 2013 00: 16
                +1
                So she came and said: give us gas for 500 bucks. Gazprom - come on. Do you believe that yourself?
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 25 October 2013 10: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  Do you believe that yourself?
                  But do not believe it or not. It is enough to ask why this contract, despite all its disadvantage for Ukraine, has not yet been canceled. And who is the percentage of profit from each purchase of gas. request
                  1. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 25 October 2013 13: 29
                    0
                    Putin and Miller were categorically against, and Yanukovych did not want to butt them yet. But the fact that there are many kickbacks, enrichments, etc., which we do not know about, do not go to a fortuneteller.
        3. mole
          mole 24 October 2013 19: 13
          +2
          It reminds the story of the famous Reagan SDI.
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 October 2013 08: 38
        +3
        He takes this info from Mikhail Yuryev, who leads the Glavradio program on the lighthouse and Vesti FM with him. And Yuriev in America is just engaged in shale. But their views are quite literate.
      3. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 24 October 2013 16: 03
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But there is another option, he took a denyuzhku from lobbyists of shale gas.

        Hmm, I would not want to think so. I respect Mikhail, although I don’t always agree with him (which is normal in principle - how many people, so many opinions), but this publication is discouraging. You do not need to be a specialist geologist to understand that such an intervention in nature cannot pass without consequences.
      4. Botanologist
        Botanologist 24 October 2013 19: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But there is another option, he took a denyuzhku from lobbyists of shale gas.


        About denyuzhki - absolutely correct. Only I strongly doubt that from the gas lobbyists. Most likely, from lobbyists of some industry that wants to push through a priority program like "nano-tech". I admit that I could have taken from Chubais, judging by the scope.
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 24 October 2013 09: 58
      +7
      Quote: mak210
      Who to believe? I don’t understand anything.

      See who benefits! If someone wants to grab more and scramble, then they really need shale gas. But those who care about the people want to think about ecology, further life in these places. Something in the USA there are too many protests from the population in those places where they tried to establish production. And in Europe it didn't work either. It is not for nothing that the companies involved in these developments put a clause in the terms of the contract that they are not responsible for the environment. And after all, after them, there remains both the cultivated land, which loses its fertility, and the poisoned rivers. Only DULL POLITICAL AMBITIONS (as in Ukraine) make people stubbornly welcome the production of shale gas.
    5. 31231
      31231 24 October 2013 17: 52
      +2
      1. You have a bag of raisins. The question is, will you pick out this raisin from cupcakes if it is easier and more affordable for you to open a full bag ?! And what raisins will be cheaper in labor costs ?!
      2. Ecology. Mr. Leontiev at least asked about the composition of the mixture injected into the wells ?! What I read, then there are very active reagents for the further decomposition of shale rocks. Hydrochloric and nitric acids, thank God of hydrocyanic acid, do not seem to be used. Yes, almost all of these chemicals will fall into salts and stable compounds, but who said that these compounds will be harmless ?! Especially when the layer is broken and in any case it starts to filter the underground watercourse.
      3. Also, some forum users smile, offering to leach gas from the sandstones of gas fields. Gentlemen, how will you drill through the destroyed host rocks, and even horizontally ?!
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 24 October 2013 23: 04
        +1
        1. Usually we will not. But if for a raisin in a bag the seller will set the price of 100 bucks for 1 zest, then picking out will become profitable dramatically.
        2. Remember what ecology in the USSR was created by industrial giants? In Krivoy Rog and Zaporozhye it was bad to breathe. Did it stop someone? Well, on this forum, most are proud of Soviet industrialization.
        3. You also smile at me.
        1. 31231
          31231 24 October 2013 23: 24
          0
          For you I have one phrase "Drill down!". I hope you understand what I mean.

          3. Have you drilled sandstone crushed during deformation ?! Not a bite ?! Not?!
  3. Know-nothing
    Know-nothing 24 October 2013 08: 07
    +2
    Drawing parallels with the 20 century, now the 1970. Ahead of 80-e and 90-e ... and 2000x may not be.
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 24 October 2013 08: 09
    +8
    Quote: mak210
    Well, confused. One (specialist) says that shale gas - a typical trick http://topwar.ru/34570-pugayut-rossiyu-slancevym-gazom-flag-v-ruki.html, the other (to put it mildly - not special) - yells about the lag . Who to believe? I don’t understand anything.

    Believe in the church. Well, or when a bright future is promised before the election. Brains are given to think and analyze.
    1. creak
      creak 24 October 2013 10: 19
      +3
      It is necessary to be guided by one’s common sense, and not by the fact that the muezzins broadcast from the Ostankino minaret. They, in essence, are ideological mercenaries, which the authorities have in mind, then they have in their language and often today one thing, and tomorrow another ...
  5. fklj
    fklj 24 October 2013 08: 12
    +3
    The shale topic is a global PR "disinformation" aimed at bringing down prices.
    1. I think so
      I think so 24 October 2013 15: 19
      +1
      You can't beat the price with idle chatter of "misbehavior" ... but when real gas appears from the USA in Geyrope ... then don't blabber, and the price will fall ... and you need to prepare for this in advance ...
  6. rereture
    rereture 24 October 2013 08: 13
    10
    Fuck us shale gas, when the usual at least an ass eat.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 October 2013 08: 20
      10
      Quote: rereture
      Fuck us shale gas, when the usual at least an ass eat.

      Someone really wants to be mined in Russia. Look for someone who benefits, as they say in such cases hi
      1. alexng
        alexng 24 October 2013 08: 42
        +8
        I’m interested. Who will return the water injected and contaminated with winter reagents back to the surface? She herself will not return from there. And this is a violation of the centuries-old water balance in the biosphere. Or does a person expect to breathe hydrogen sulfide in the future, and not an oxygen mixture?
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 24 October 2013 10: 56
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Someone really wants to be mined in Russia


        And the fig? What is already over or is it lacking in the market? Why change the awl for soap?
        Is such gas burning better or smells different?


        We would have to sell this (explored) more expensive!
        And foliage from trees (biomass)? This does not count!
        Why monkey up?
      3. Very old
        Very old 24 October 2013 15: 24
        0
        A long-standing principle: do a disu, and there let them think ...
    2. Starfish
      Starfish 24 October 2013 11: 56
      +5
      Fuck us shale gas, when the usual at least an ass eat.

      exactly. and Leontiev should be offered to produce shale gas by hydraulic fracturing in his own place, where people usually sit
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 24 October 2013 16: 04
        +3
        Quote: Starfish
        Fuck us shale gas, when the usual at least an ass eat.

        exactly. and Leontiev should be offered to produce shale gas by hydraulic fracturing in his own place, where people usually sit

        Amused laughing
  7. makarov
    makarov 24 October 2013 08: 31
    +3
    The contradictions of the author are not clear. Standing for the benefit of technologies for extracting shale carbohydrates, in his conclusions, instead of appeals to master such technologies (in reserve), for some reason he makes an intricate conclusion - ".. I want to note that the structure of the Russian economy is so disgusting that it is not a pity for it. But the population is sorry ! .. "
    NONSENS !!!!!!!
  8. lotar
    lotar 24 October 2013 08: 32
    +4
    Everyone knows that the more difficult: production, associated infrastructure, technology, logistics, etc. etc., the higher the final cost of the extracted resources. The production of shale gas, and even more so shale oil, is quite an expensive pleasure and it is only beneficial when energy prices are within acceptable limits. It is logical to assume that this trend is in our country rather profitable than not. Why am I making such an assumption?: From the fact that energy prices will drop in the future, if they will, then in small values. Considering the fact that current technologies for the extraction of shale minerals are rather harmful to the ecology of regions in which there is mining. It is logical to assume that not all states, even with reserves of shale resources, will extract them, in particular, this applies to Europe. This already speaks in favor of the fact that they will continue to need our supplies. The only thing I would like to wish so that our deliveries took place in products of final processing.
  9. Konsmo
    Konsmo 24 October 2013 08: 33
    +4
    And this in the Kalash ranks, specialists in shale. hi
    Everything is lost, we will all die, news from Leontiev.
  10. mak210
    mak210 24 October 2013 08: 47
    +8
    Even before the WWII (1913), a relatively simple technology was developed for producing pyrolysis fuel from virtually any source of carbohydrates: wood, coal, garbage, etc. (Fischer-Tropsch synthesis (in a number of sources, the process)). Throughout the war, German tanks drove synthetic gasoline, not because they could not create a diesel engine (for a moment Rudolf Diesel is German), but because all diesel went to the fleet. In our blockade, motor vehicles (GAZ AA) walked on wood chocks — never wondered where gas came from in besieged Leningrad?

    After the war, a number of German factories were transported to the USSR, like Novocherkassk, but with a fall in prices, it was dismantled. The margin of profitability of such plants is 50-60 dollars per barrel.

    This is a real technology, and our coal reserves are monstrous, forests are even larger. Synthesis allows you to get products of almost any composition. Why do we need oil shale with possible environmental disasters? Not all of Russia is still ... Or maybe these are tricky freaks of oil industry workers who, having received our resources for free, don’t want to spend a penny on any innovations other than yachts and football clubs?
    1. uhu189
      uhu189 24 October 2013 10: 46
      +4
      You can also recall peat and Kalashnikov gas obtained from it - and an involuntary question arises - why reinvent the wheel?
    2. True
      True 24 October 2013 15: 28
      +1
      In September 2005, Governor Edward Rendell announced the creation of Waste Management and Processors Inc. - using technologies licensed from Shell and Sasol. A factory will be built using Fischer-Tropsch synthesis to process so-called waste carbon (coal residues) into low-sulfur diesel fuel in a site near the city of Mahanoy in northwest Philadelphia. The state of Pennsylvania made a commitment to buy a significant percentage of the plant’s output and, together with the US Department of Energy (DoE), offered over $ 140 million in tax benefits. Other coal mining states are also developing similar plans. Montana State Governor Brian Schweitzer has proposed building a plant that will use the Fischer-Tropsch process to turn state coal reserves into fuel to reduce US dependence on oil imports.
      At the beginning of 2006, in the United States, construction projects for 9 plants for indirect liquefaction of coal with a total capacity of 90 - 250 thousand barrels per day were considered.
      China plans to invest $ 15 billion by 2010-2015. in the construction of plants for the production of synthetic fuel from coal. The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) said that the total capacity of coal liquefaction plants will reach 16 million tons of synthetic fuel per year, which is 5% of oil consumption in 2005 and 10% of oil imports.
  11. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 24 October 2013 09: 01
    +4
    Also I think if ordinary gas is still 30 years old, why do we need shale
    1. Soyuz-TM
      Soyuz-TM 25 October 2013 11: 48
      +2
      They told me at school back in the 80s that there would be enough oil for another 30 years. But it (oil) does not end. Has anyone heard of the hydrocarbon circuit in Nature? Oil and gas renewable. And all this dance with tambourines, that some would print green candy wrappers, while others would associate them with something real: they built factories, ships, pipelines, filled the market with processed hydrocarbons and turned out oil dollars
      1. Don
        Don 25 October 2013 14: 28
        +1
        Quote: Soyuz-TM
        They told me at school back in the 80s that there would be enough oil for another 30 years. But it (oil) does not end. Has anyone heard of the hydrocarbon circuit in Nature? Oil and gas renewable.

        This theory was put forward by Mendeleev. And many oil workers noticed that a nearly empty field suddenly seemed to open a second wind.
        1. poquello
          poquello 25 October 2013 18: 29
          +2
          Quote: Don
          Quote: Soyuz-TM
          They told me at school back in the 80s that there would be enough oil for another 30 years. But it (oil) does not end. Has anyone heard of the hydrocarbon circuit in Nature? Oil and gas renewable.

          This theory was put forward by Mendeleev. And many oil workers noticed that a nearly empty field suddenly seemed to open a second wind.

          Here is the right occupation and direction - to explore the Earth’s ecosystem, to help us carry it.
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 24 October 2013 09: 02
    +6
    The manufacturing industry of Russia, except for the defense industry, cannot develop

    This is why suddenly the bathhouse fell? Who will forbid her? Isn't it Mikhail Vladimirovich himself? Something lately (in my unenlightened view, of course) Mr. Leontyev has become very bronzed. Broadcasts with the conviction of the Delphic oracle ...
    1. Very old
      Very old 24 October 2013 15: 37
      +2
      Yuri, and on TV all THINGS, they know everything, they teach everyone, "grandmothers" must be worked out
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 October 2013 09: 15
    +3
    Leont'ev was clearly blabbering! With this shale gas like hens over eggs cluck for a year (in all Western media) and things are still there ..! Another scarecrow for Russia ..
  14. major071
    major071 24 October 2013 09: 29
    12
    When a political observer begins to broadcast about the economy - it turns out some kind of mess. It’s better to tell about sports, for example, why yesterday CSKA blew Manchester City, there’s a lot you can do without linking to the production of shale gas.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 24 October 2013 10: 55
      +4
      Wagner sold ... ki. Probably acquired shares of oil shale companies on the advice of Leontyev. I myself Spartach, but I am rooting for my cups. wassat
  15. kostik1301
    kostik1301 24 October 2013 09: 55
    +4
    Mr. Leontiev, the best action for you is a suitcase, a train station, Israel ......
  16. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 24 October 2013 10: 06
    +7
    However, it would be nice for us to master the most sophisticated shale gas production technologies.
    Well eprst !!! What technology !!!!
    quotes from the course of lectures of the late 70X
    5. Equipment for hydraulic fracturing or acid treatment, to improve the permeability of the reservoir and its bottom-hole zone. The first consists of a complex of units connected during the period of hydraulic fracturing operations with a common strapping. Among the units are pumping, usually high pressure, sand, mixing, tankers, etc. The equipment for acid treatment is a complex of tanks with an acid solution, pumping units and piping, combining them with the well in one system and allowing to pump the acid solution into the reservoir to increase the permeability, and, accordingly, the flow of fluid and gas to the well.
    And what are the secret components in general oh oh oh!
    The process is carried out by injecting fractions of hydraulic fracturing fluid into the reservoir under high pressure, which leads to the formation of layered cracks into which sand-carrier fluid is immediately pumped
    During hydrochloric acid treatment, the concentration of acid in the solution is 8 - 20%, depending on the rocks of the oily reservoir. If the concentration of the hydrochloric acid solution is higher than recommended, the pipes of the wellhead and downhole equipment are destroyed, and if lower, the efficiency of processing the bottom-hole zone is reduced.
    To protect pipes, tanks, pumps, pipelines, wellhead and downhole equipment from the corrosive effects of acid, special inhibitors are added to the solution. As inhibitors, formalin (a 40% solution of formaldehyde in water) or U-K brand unicol is used. U-2 and MH. Despite the application of protective measures, during the treatment of the well in hydrochloric acid, a significant amount of impurities is formed in the form of iron oxides, which precipitate from their solution and clog the pores of the formation. To prevent precipitation, stabilizers are used, which are used acetic acid, which is added to the solution in an amount of 0,8 - 1,6% of the volume of diluted hydrochloric acid.
    A hydrochloric acid solution is prepared as follows. After determining its volume, water is poured into the tank. An inhibitor is added to it, then a stabilizer and a moderator of the reaction — DS preparation in the amount of 1 - 1,5% of the volume of acid solution injected into the well. After thoroughly mixing the solution, the calculated volume of concentrated hydrochloric acid is added last with constant stirring.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 24 October 2013 10: 19
      +6
      All mouse fuss with shale hydrocarbons is already associated with only one factor
      Involve bankrupt or semi-bankrupt companies in foreign markets to cover their costs, and then say like that horse: "Well, I'm sorry, man, I couldn't."
      Look for suckers elsewhere.
      http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/ekonomika/240808-neftyanoi-puzyr-pochemu-slantseva
      ya-revolyutsiya-v-ssha-blizka-k-provalu
      By the way, Shell is selling shale assets. http://finance.bigmir.net/news/companies/39989-Shell-prodayot-vse-slancevie-akti
      vi-v-SShA
  17. yurypetrunin
    yurypetrunin 24 October 2013 10: 07
    15
    Me and my village neighbors are somehow not very affected by the shale problems of the globe and M. Leontyev’s concern.
    Me and my neighbors are more affected by the fraudulent policy of Gazprom, the actions of the publicly promised “gas manna” D. Medvedev (the cost of gasification for Russians should not be more than 25 thousand rubles), a vile deceitful advertisement that gas is a national property of the whole people ...
    Gazprom’s bummer with Shtokman revenues shifted the problem to the residents of Russia. Take gas, I don’t want to. A plastic pipe (110 r / linear meter) lead to the house for 4,5 - 6 thousand per meter! Facade transition plastic-metal 1 400 r - pay 20 thousand!
    In 2011, all the design documentation was ready, agreed and passed the examination.
    Gas does not smell yet. Half of our old men died in this war against gas crooks.
    Our guarantor has withdrawn from our internal problems, prefers geopolitical problems. I’m upset for him, I don’t see another, but my hope for the President of the Russian Federation, Putin and the rest of the vertical, is to deal more and more actively with internal problems in the interests of all Russians, I hope, will be heard.
    At present, the Guarantor of the Constitution disappoints me with its retarded actions described by Soloviev in “The Adventures of Khoja Nasreddin”. I quote it arbitrarily. “To get two hundred tanga and donkey is a great success.
    And after ... years, one of us will die, or the emir, or donkey, or me. And then figure out who knew theology better! ”

    24.10.13. Yuri Petrunin. Gatchina.




    Gatchina News
    The company that was supposed to gasify the snag, raised money and disappeared
    22 2012 of August
    Tags: microdistrict Snag gasification Gatchina OFAS Russia

    Today, at the press conference of the leadership of the Leningrad OFAS Russia, the head of the antimonopoly authority Vadim Vladimirov told the bad news regarding the gasification of the Zagvozdka microdistrict.

    The company, which was supposed to carry out gasification work, raised money and disappeared. According to the Leningrad OFAS, this company was imposed on residents by the Gatchina City Administration. Currently, a case has been opened in respect of the city administration regarding violation of antitrust laws. The meeting of the commission on the gasification of the Zagryazdka microdistrict will be held on August 29.
    The head of the Leningrad OFAS Russia stressed that the current situation with gasification is "a vivid example of how violation of the Law on Protection of Competition can lead to fraud. If the administration held a tender in accordance with all the rules, it would certainly have been won by a decent and truly professional company!"
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 24 October 2013 10: 49
      +5
      Quote: yurypetrunin
      “Gas manna” D. Medvedev (the cost of gasification for Russians should not be more than 25 thousand rubles), a vile deceitful advertisement that gas is a national property of the whole people ...

      - Well, what does Gazprom have to do with it? Gazprom is a producer, and the sale of gas to the population with the construction of the appropriate infrastructure (gas is a specific product, therefore, the sale to the population is also specific with the creation of its own specific infrastructure) are completely different structures. And here are the numbers voiced by you -
      Quote: yurypetrunin
      Take gas, I don’t want to. A plastic pipe (110 r / linear meter) lead to the house for 4,5 - 6 thousand per meter! Facade transition plastic-metal 1 400 r - pay 20 thousand!

      - these are small private sharazhki, besides, in the end, they are fucking and obnoxious. I agree with your indignation, I don’t like Gazprom in the style of "a la Slepakov" - you have heard this ironic song, but here there is an obvious slander against Gazprom, I just don’t like slander in vain. Even when they slander the Zionists in vain, I don't like it.
      The state needs to intervene here for a long time. In general, it is high time for the state to intervene in everything. It's time to use these American tales about "minimal state intervention in the economy" in the toilet for their intended purpose - to wipe yourself stupidly. The Americans themselves did this a long time ago. Their regulation of the economy is downright at the Soviet level! A vivid example - if, upon receiving a loan, all payments to the American-recipient's Bank exceed 30% per annum, then this Bank will be immediately crushed without any further ado, the license will be revoked and the Chairman of the Board will be sentenced for usury. And this is in a state where the most influential diaspora is the diaspora of usurers! And at the same time, the Yusovites are pushing tales of "non-interference" to Russia and Kazakhstan! am Another example? Yes, here you are - how the Americans themselves came out of the crisis! Everybody shouted - "if there is a crisis, then let your enterprises go to hell, she died, so she died! But the surviving enterprises will be stronger than ever - esessny selection, you panic!" The former countries swallowed and arranged such a shock therapy for themselves - the consequences still haunt and will haunt in the future! The aircraft industry and aviation-related competences have hardly been completely lost !!!! And the Americans themselves behaved as in the 2007 crisis? Why didn't they let their staggering Goldman Sachs die?
      Americans, like the Zionists, have no faith whatsoever and it IS NECESSARY to be! Listen to them and do as you see fit, and it’s even better not to listen to them at all, and if you intrusively yell in your ear — a right hook, left swing and then do as you see fit — that’s the best strategy. All the suckers in Ervzai ended, go to Africa tell your tales!
      1. yurypetrunin
        yurypetrunin 24 October 2013 11: 32
        +3
        Small sharashki are papillomas on the cervix of a sick country! Whom or what can she degenerate? But Gazprom, which admits such speculations with the gas it produces, is not otherwise, a fraction.
        A few years ago, France organized a national holiday in connection with the gasification of its last village (probably with Russian gas).
        It would be interesting to know about whose gasification the Gazprom leader and friend of the President of the Russian Federation, Mr. Schroeder, is thinking more about?
    2. varov14
      varov14 24 October 2013 14: 12
      +4
      Well, now it’s not 37 years old, 20 years have suffered another 20 suffer, moreover, sawing firewood is good for health, and sport is in the first place for us. Onishchenko is now running with a torch - gas in a spray can, who interferes with use, or else pipes, trenches, excavators. That way the whole industry in the chain will have to be restored.
    3. Konsmo
      Konsmo 25 October 2013 08: 16
      +2
      This is probably from another opera.
      I also won 100000 rubles naeb. They brought furniture in boxes, they said the collector would come. Let's get the loot. The collector came and said that it wasn’t x ... no.
      On the Internet, another 8 people were found. From the same little man of the victims ..
      They filed it together with the General Prosecutor's Office. 17 letters arrived, transferred down to the authorities. It got to the district police officer who plays on the computer in our house.
      This mu ... who is for the state. An account is played with toys, sent a letter of the type from the difficult financial situation of the defendant .... onwards. Submit to the court. hi For a company that has 10 thousand. Charter and which went bankrupt. And this (Cyril Kirilets) still created compasses.
      In short, he steals, and the state goes its own way, this is a parallel process.
      It has nothing to do with gas and oil shale.
      1. yurypetrunin
        yurypetrunin 3 November 2013 08: 20
        0
        It even has.
        A common point is the indifference of the authorities and the Guarantor of the constitution to internal problems, when gas, furniture, medical, housing and communal services crooks cheat with impunity due to the population they are deceiving.
        And another common point. The President of the Russian Federation for Nobel nomination from abroad for his external (also important) affairs. And it would be nice inside the country would be a reason to cast him such a monument! Yes, it is not visible. Apparently, the gratitude of Chubais, Germans, Serdyukov, Vasiliev and other similar figures for their integrity for the President of the country is more important than the opinion of the people!
        Yuri Petrunin.
  18. Egoza
    Egoza 24 October 2013 10: 25
    +5
    "Shale revolution? Shale radiation. According to RT with reference to ClimateCentral.org, an increased level of radioactivity and salt content was recorded at the wastewater treatment plant in Pennsylvania, where water flows from oil and gas enterprises located in the area of ​​the Marcellus shale reservoir.

    Experts from Duke University took water samples from the Brine wastewater treatment plant in Indiana. The radium level was 200 times higher than in samples taken upstream from the plant. This level was also much higher than the level allowed by law in the United States.

    Radium can cause leukemia and other illnesses. "
    XXXX
    Anyone else have questions?

    The results of the Duke University study were published in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.

    “Thanks to the work of sewage treatment plants, the level of radioactivity can be significantly reduced, but the water is not cleared of salts such as bromide,” said study co-author Avner Wengosh, professor of geochemistry at Duke University. He adds that even the most advanced technologies from Brine will not purify water from all pollutants.

    "RT" recalls that the US is actively using hydraulic fracturing for oil and gas production. Meanwhile, scientists are talking about the detrimental effects of associated methane emissions on the environment and radioactive effects.

    “The case of radium is very dangerous. This is a radioactive component that increases the likelihood of genetic mutations and poses a real risk to human health, "- quoted by" RT "the words of William Schlesinger, President of the Institute for Ecosystem Research.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 24 October 2013 10: 47
      +3
      And there is not a typo (reservation)? Maybe radon? Although what's the difference. The same me, side view
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 24 October 2013 14: 01
        +1
        That’s where Greenpeace is! At the time, all the tales about the cheap environmentally friendly shale gas would have stopped! Download acid underground! TIN! And after that, does man still count on the love of Mother Earth? Perhaps, people for themselves, for starters, formic acid under the skin will catch up a little, get a little orgasm and understand how much a pound of dashing? Well, Mlyn, where is Greenpeace? With what fright, Greenpeace in the Arctic rummages around stations where production cannot be started in this or even next year, and not where Mother Earth was hurt?
    2. True
      True 24 October 2013 15: 35
      +1
      How to transmit "RT"
      I have suspicions: your source is strongly biased.
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 24 October 2013 10: 48
    +5
    The fact that the entire Russian economy is tied to the sale of natural resources, I think it is clear to everyone, from schoolchildren to the president, only the money that Russia receives from the "pipe" does not go to the development of industry or the national economy or infrastructure, science, etc. .... And they go first to the pockets of Miller and Putin (who is still probably really the richest man in the world, the wealth really cannot be dragged to the grave, but oh well) until the last official, then something goes to defense and development the internal repressive apparatus, but this is just a trifle and everything else from healthcare to education is financed on a leftover basis. Particularly, we should highlight our "beloved" Caucasus, to which Russia for some reason pays tribute, but I think the population of Russia will soon have a problem with the Caucasus will decide, because patience is clearly running out, and the authorities either do not notice this, or do not want to notice. But now the Americans and the Saudis arrange for us a drop in oil prices of dollars to 50-60at least, and everything will start to fall apart like a house of cards. The top of course, sensing something wrong, will run away, but people will remain again at the broken trough.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 24 October 2013 11: 05
      +3
      But how do you solve the Caucasus problem in your opinion?
      Cut Caucasians?
      Leave the Caucasus and spit on the graves of Russian soldiers who fought there for 150 years?
      Terrible is on oil, and our "beloved" Kadyrov correctly says develop production and give people work. And then someone bought (I do not remember the company) and are engaged in masturbation until they resell.
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 24 October 2013 11: 13
      +4
      Maybe it’s good if oil falls in price. Brains will work.
      Siberian oil began to pump in 70. By the 80th, the economy had risen.
      I was personally told, in the late 80s, why the heck are microchips to develop, we will buy a license from Texas, as for the 155 series, there is money.
      And the country ....
      But in the years 50-60, we had the highest growth rates. Without oil sales.
      The West wrote with fear in blood.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 24 October 2013 11: 43
        +1
        But is it necessary to do something? Or will we leave everything as it is? Any of my proposals without further implementation is worth nothing, but we all know that the authorities will not do anything.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 24 October 2013 14: 38
        +2
        These were the biggest enemies of the people (more than Gorbachev and Yeltsin), who then asked why they should develop, if there is oil and gas, at the head of the USSR course. And what promising developments were going on then. And computers could be their own ... One academician Glushkov was worth what !!!
      3. True
        True 24 October 2013 15: 38
        +2
        The occupation authorities must first be removed. Everything else is the tenth
  20. uhu189
    uhu189 24 October 2013 10: 54
    +2
    I just don’t understand why we are so imposed on what we do not need? We have quite a few conventional oil and gas fields, not even offshore ones. Our companies do not even invest much in geological exploration - at the moment they are exploiting what was started back in the Soviet Union. If the United States lacks the Gulf of Mexico, Texas, and Alaska - what do we have to do with it? Well, they want to ruin their territory - for God's sake, why should we take an example from these idiots, I don’t understand. But in Mr. Leontiev I was disappointed - another custom article, moreover, very rude ... You can’t do it all the same ...
  21. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 24 October 2013 10: 58
    +2
    <<< However, it would be nice for us to master the most complex technologies for shale gas production, and the probability of discovering deposits is very high where there was already old hydrocarbon production. >>>
    Perhaps, all the same, to give the SPECIALISTS the right to resolve such issues of introducing "the most complex technologies" in Russia? What kind of fashion has gone - not being a specialist with ease, not hesitating to judge the problems that you do not understand! Militant dilettantism!
    Enough for us already "effective managers", who only know how to steer cash flows, and seized command posts and insolently run the production in which they do not understand a damn thing! Therefore, we can not get out of the shit in any way! Really nothing is taught by the experience of Perdukov's "cooks", who were so in charge of the Ministry of Defense that for a long time it will rake in their fancy!
  22. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 24 October 2013 11: 00
    +1
    The United States and some other countries are resorting to shale gas technology due to the lack of traditional hydrocarbon deposits. But if Russia has huge reserves of traditional hydrocarbons, touch the shale? No logic is visible. Let shale hydrocarbons be in stock in Russia. For more than 20 years, in our country, they have only talked about the need for raw material exports, that new technologies need to be developed, and nothing is being done ... that’s where the trouble ... lies
  23. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 24 October 2013 11: 43
    0
    [quote] [quote = Fidget] [quote = mak210] Who to believe? I don’t understand anything. [/ Quote]
    But after them there remains both a tattered land, which is deprived of fertility, and poisoned rivers. Only stupid political ambitions (as in Ukraine) force stubbornly welcome the production of shale gas. [/ Quote]
    Well, the policy of forcing Russia of Ukraine to the most expensive gas in Europe, forcing consideration and implementation of a variety of technologies.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 October 2013 14: 17
      +4
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      Well, the policy of forcing Russia of Ukraine to the most expensive gas in Europe

      For a high price - thank dear Julia! Prior to her visit to Moscow with forged documents, the price of gas was much lower. So is Russia to blame? It was not necessary to push swindlers to power on the Maidan! So they got the thief premiere.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 24 October 2013 14: 41
        -2
        Well, here came your protege - Yanukovych. And what, Russia has changed pricing policy? Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart. Catch the highest price in Europe at the lowest transit cost. And then sincere surprise: why suddenly Yanukovych does not share the enthusiasm from Russian fraternal hugs?
        1. Don
          Don 24 October 2013 16: 44
          +1
          Quote: Walker1975
          Well, here came your protege - Yanukovych. And what, Russia has changed pricing policy? Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.

          Yanukovych has never been a protege of Moscow. Now, if he really was a protege, or at least kept some of his promises, now Ukraine would already be in the Customs Union with a gas price slightly higher than Belarus.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 24 October 2013 22: 43
            0
            How was it not? All churches of the Moscow Patriarchate handed out leaflets - vote for Yanukovych, all Russian channels omitted competitors, Putin smiled amiably, congratulated him 5 times ...
            1. poquello
              poquello 24 October 2013 22: 58
              +2
              Quote: Walker1975
              How was it not? All churches of the Moscow Patriarchate handed out leaflets - vote for Yanukovych, all Russian channels omitted competitors, Putin smiled amiably, congratulated him 5 times ...

              And were there any options?
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 24 October 2013 23: 12
                +3
                Quote: poquello
                And were there any options?

                For the next elections, they predict a choice between Yanukovych and Klitschko. What's one shit, what's another. And the option "against all" is not provided. And which of them should you choose to be pro-Russian?
                1. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 25 October 2013 00: 18
                  0
                  And why should the President of Ukraine be pro-Russian? I must say right away that he should not be pro-American either. It should be pro-Ukrainian, and you should agree with him.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 25 October 2013 01: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    And why should the President of Ukraine be pro-Russian? I must say right away that he should not be pro-American either. It should be pro-Ukrainian, and you should agree with him.

                    This is for Ukrainians, and another country supports the one with whom (it seems) it is more convenient and calmer to work with. At the same time, adequate politicians, including those that did not support the countries, prove that they can be dealt with. IMHO Ukraine is just lucky with inadequacy.
                    1. Walker1975
                      Walker1975 25 October 2013 13: 32
                      +1
                      That is yes. But there is a nuance - how does it support? Because it can be so supported that if they choose a different one, cooling between countries will be ensured. Therefore, diplomats always say that they will work with any legitimate government of a neighboring state, even if they like someone more.
                  2. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 25 October 2013 20: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    He must be pro-Ukrainian
                    And why exactly PRO-UKRAINIAN, just because the country was named so in 91? All the rest - only fertilizer for the prosperity of the mentioned ethnos, or is it not about ethnic groups, but about the country? Well, then it would be worth remembering that the borders turned out to be ABSOLUTELY RANDOM, at the whim of a handful of freaks who then found themselves at the control levers. And this "country" is nothing more than a piece of ONE WHOLE, a common country, which was our COMMON home. Where there are no more Ukrainians than in this territorial misunderstanding, which suddenly decided to "live separately." By the way, in medicine, when some part of the body suddenly decides to behave in the same way, it is interpreted unambiguously: "CANCER TUMOR". And the methods of treatment have long been developed. By the way, what is happening now inside Ukraine itself reminds of the stages of development of that very tumor. This is especially noticeable to me "from the inside" ... sad
                2. poquello
                  poquello 25 October 2013 01: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Quote: poquello
                  And were there any options?

                  For the next elections, they predict a choice between Yanukovych and Klitschko. What's one shit, what's another. And the option "against all" is not provided. And which of them should you choose to be pro-Russian?

                  Povetkin, they give two unbeaten for beaten.
            2. Don
              Don 25 October 2013 11: 55
              0
              Quote: Walker1975
              How was it not? All churches of the Moscow Patriarchate handed out leaflets - vote for Yanukovych, all Russian channels omitted competitors, Putin smiled amiably, congratulated him 5 times ...

              Being a protege and betting on him are two different things. If he were a protege, he would be financed from Russia, and part of Ukrainian big business will finance him. It’s just that in 2004 and 2010 Russia was on his side, but this does not mean that he is their protege. And everyone congratulated him, both the US president and the president of Poland. So maybe he is their henchman? Putin by the way congratulated him once.
              But we have a conversation about what? About what would be the price of gas. You argue that it does not matter who the protégé of Russia is in power or not, and the price of gas was the same. Do you seriously believe that if the authorities had CPUs, then gas would have been at the same price?
              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 25 October 2013 13: 34
                0
                Quote: Don
                But we have a conversation about what? About what would be the price of gas. You argue that it does not matter who the protégé of Russia is in power or not, and the price of gas was the same. Do you seriously believe that if the authorities had CPUs, then gas would have been at the same price?


                Yes. Even if there were a communist, Russia would push the highest possible prices or lower them for the right, for example, to take Ukraine’s gas transportation system or other strategic enterprises.
                It is according to the second scenario that the "cooperation" between Belarus and the Russian Federation takes place.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 October 2013 14: 21
      0
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      Forces the consideration and implementation of a variety of technologies.

      The thief was appointed prime minister. Interestingly, what did they hope for? That she will immediately recover, or that Russia will steal from Ukraine for Ukraine? Bummer-s came out, stealing where it’s easier ... request
  24. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 24 October 2013 12: 18
    +4
    Strangely, the French generally banned all shale gas extraction, as it is too harmful for nature. In America, abandoned development turns into deserts. Don't the mistakes of others teach us? And the fact that it is necessary to get off the "oil needle" for a long time and invest money not in American banks for 2%, but in industry. And there is no need to "squander" (grab) state property. Again we are "ahead of the rest of the world": the United States, England about 20%, France-20%, Germany-about 30%, Japan-30% (the share of state property)
    Russia - For the second time after Chubais’s privatization, Russia faces a total sale of state property. Already in Medvedev ...
    1. Don
      Don 24 October 2013 17: 01
      -1
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Strangely, the French generally banned all shale gas extraction, as it is too harmful for nature. In America, abandoned development turns into deserts. Don't the mistakes of others teach us? And the fact that it is necessary to get off the "oil needle" for a long time and invest money not in American banks for 2%,

      I agree with you about shale gas, but I completely disagree about investments. No one invests in American banks, but invests in government bonds. From this, every year the Russian Federation, as well as the PRC and other states, receives money. And it is not the state that should invest in industry from the budget, but private corporations, which is being done.
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      And there is no need to "squander" (grab) state property. Again we are "ahead of the rest of the world": the United States, England about 20%, France-20%, Germany-about 30%, Japan-30% (the share of state property)

      Do you know at least one state corporation in the USA, Great Britain, France or Japan? Can you name it?
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Russia - For the second time after Chubais’s privatization, Russia faces a total sale of state property. Already in Medvedev ...

      Where did you read that? Which total sell-out? They’re not going to sell anything at all.
  25. Swag
    Swag 24 October 2013 12: 31
    +3
    Today I found a site for the production of shale oil and gas in AI, it’s not as rosy as Leontyev broadcasts. Who cares, google, all the way to the schedules, and from official sources in the USA. What Micah doesn’t agree, I’ve heard this snowstorm for a long time .
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 October 2013 17: 00
      0
      Quote: Swag
      Who cares, google, all the way to the schedules, and from official sources in the USA.
      They slap any schedule in a couple of minutes without taking their own backside from the office chair. And if you believe in the safety of the UNCONTROLLED (and indeed it is indeed so) subsoil rupture, I recommend digging out the foundation of your own home. Maybe there is a bottle forgotten by a hungover builder ... lol
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  27. Swag
    Swag 24 October 2013 12: 34
    +1
    Today I found a site for the production of shale oil and gas in the United States, not everything is as rosy as Leontyev broadcasts. Who cares, google, everything up to the schedules, and from official sources in the United States. What Mikhail does not agree on, I have heard this snowstorm for a long time .
  28. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 24 October 2013 13: 03
    +4
    In my opinion, the public does not discuss the most important thesis of the article, albeit imperfect in technical terms, namely: "Shale gas WILL REDUCE THE DEMAND for natural gas!" At the same time, such a situation is possible - DECREASE in DEMAND on 10% DESTROYES prices 50%, i.e. TWO TIMES DECREASING PRICES! What then should be done for a country that has NO INDUSTRY ?! That’s what the harsh homespun truth is! What is the point of discussing a good author or a bad one ?! Prove that EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD - EVEN IF THE AUTHOR'S DANGER, THE ARTICLES ARE CONFIRMED !!!
  29. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 24 October 2013 13: 04
    +1
    In my opinion, the public does not discuss the most important thesis of the article, albeit imperfect in technical terms, namely: "Shale gas WILL REDUCE THE DEMAND for natural gas!" At the same time, such a situation is possible - DECREASE in DEMAND on 10% DESTROYES prices 50%, i.e. TWO TIMES DECREASING PRICES! What then should be done for a country that has NO INDUSTRY ?! That’s what the harsh homespun truth is! What is the point of discussing a good author or a bad one ?! Prove that EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD - EVEN IF THE AUTHOR'S DANGER, THE ARTICLES ARE CONFIRMED !!!
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 24 October 2013 14: 39
      +1
      Quote: V. I. Kacheev
      Prove that EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD - EVEN IF THE AUTHOR'S DANGER, THE ARTICLES ARE CONFIRMED !!!

      - nothing to worry about, my dear. Gas is still a dead project for Russia in the future. Not shale - so gas hydrate. Gas hydrate is much more cost-effective and environmentally friendly. The whole difficulty is there - to extract this dry ice from great depths. Japan has already reduced its gas purchases by 20% since the beginning of the development of this topic.
      So Russia will still have to DIVERSIFY the economy, ANYWHERE! So why be baptized if before the thunder so far? It will break out - the Russian people will solve the problem, there will be no sentiment, they will push the liberals, led by Medvedev to hell, and build a normal economy. There is a healthy start in the economy, and all this is recognized - it is DEFENSE. But I would like the liberals to expel the Russian people and build a normal economy until the situation on the energy market changes irreversibly. No one canceled the normal instinct of self-preservation.
  30. Avenger711
    Avenger711 24 October 2013 13: 10
    +1
    It is impossible to diversify without investing billions, but where to get them without selling oil?
    1. xoma58
      xoma58 24 October 2013 13: 59
      +9
      Yes, we sell oil, only profit is appropriated by the units of the owners of this life calling themselves the government.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 24 October 2013 15: 03
        0
        Quote: xoma58
        Yes, we sell oil, only profit is appropriated by the units of the owners of this life, calling themselves the government.

        the trouble is that you are sort of considering this money for oil and gas like this - you’ve got the revenue, and this value is ABSOLUTE, that is, as if distributing this revenue more fairly, everything will be automatically a bundle. Alas, everything is wrong and everything is wrong guys! Even if you start distributing fairly, it will not do anything, besides the unjustified growth in real estate, cars, and other durable and non-durable goods. At the same time, production and other enterprises of high processing will be closed, because with the simultaneous presence on the market of two alternatives - to extract resources and send to the consumer or create something complex and compete with Western, and even Easterners, creators of the same, the entrepreneur will always choose to extract resources and send to the consumer - it is definitely!
        Therefore, it is desirable to separate these two areas, but to separate in such a way that the loot from the sold resources still falls into the normal economy in the form of targeted investments, and entrepreneurs have no opportunity to work in the primary sector in general. That is, all raw materials, mining and energy, energy generating and other BASIC sectors of the economy should be completely in the hands of the state. Not a controlling stake, but completely! Private owners should not be there at all! And all services to enterprises of basic industries — construction for them and so on — should be public as a general contractor, and private contractors as subcontractors can be allowed there. To ban private-sector financial activities altogether under pain of death! To return to the very role of money that they played under the USSR, no more. Soviet banking system, only state banks. The production of weapons is also in the hands of the state, but private enterprises are also acceptable on conditions equal to or more stringent than for state taxes.
        And all the members in another sector - and there is enough space for them, for their private initiative. This is the production of means of production, and the production of durable goods, and the construction, production of consumer goods. Well, the money from the first economy can be pumped into the second economy on conditions - whoever has a more attractive project won. Here is the most difficult question - how to avoid corruption and other unpleasant things on this site?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 24 October 2013 15: 31
          0
          In principle, China is so working, only they also have large-scale construction in private hands is prohibited. And nothing - growing at 9% per year! The entire market of rare-earth metals will be crushed by the Chinese, is there a private owner in general banned, and after that will someone else prove that the state is a disgusting manager and owner? But look at the facts is not fate?
  31. military
    military 24 October 2013 13: 36
    +3
    As a result, focused Politics, the manufacturing industry of Russia, except for defense, cannot develop - it is unprofitable.

    stability... repeat
  32. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 24 October 2013 13: 56
    +3
    For a military man - your quote: "What will the guarantor answer us? ..."
    For Avenger711 - your quote: "It is impossible to diversify without investing billions, but where can you get them without selling oil?"
    Questions:
    1. Is the budget of the USSR formed by 70%, from revenues from the sale of gas and oil?
    2. Can someone explain this phenomenon - "guarantor" AUTHORIZES the Central Bank of Russia TO INVEST oil revenues in PAPERS US Treasury ?!
    Excuse me, BUT ARE THESE ACTIONS of the "guarantor" DO NOT give you reason to AT ALL do not pay attention to the "guarantor" dialect !!!
  33. Kosmodrom
    Kosmodrom 24 October 2013 13: 56
    +4
    What I like about this site is the objectivity of judgments, despite the authority. In most cases, comments are more interesting than an article (A article ordered). Thanks to all!
  34. xoma58
    xoma58 24 October 2013 14: 00
    +2
    But Leont'ev, in my opinion, says one thing, soon the Lafa will end, the edrisnya and the oligarchs will fall to us and the copsy will.
  35. ikrut
    ikrut 24 October 2013 14: 02
    +2
    The fool understands that it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick. In other words, it is better to have powerful technological production facilities and an efficient energy production industry than neither one nor the other. , IMHO. Mikhail Leontyev is breaking into open doors. So much has been said and negotiated about the "shale" problems that it remains only for humanitarian political observers to insert their 5 kopecks there. Like "problems with shale oil production" :) Apparently, this journalist has no time to read about "shale" technologies, tar sands, LNG fleet, composition and calorific value of shale gas, etc. It remains only to remind this, not at all stupid, but, apparently, frightened by something unfamiliar and not characteristic of his profession, the person, the words of O. Bender: "When they beat you, you will cry." So, let's better wait for the States to sell at least one cubic meter of their "shale" gas or even at least something from energy resources to anyone. And we will be glad for them.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 24 October 2013 14: 44
      +1
      Let's wait. Only if we wait, it will be too late to drink Barjomi.
  36. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 24 October 2013 14: 43
    +1
    Russia is a country of state employees, therefore the quality of life of the population directly depends on the state of the budget and the fulfillment of social obligations. unfortunately, advocates of strong statehood (the same state employees), unacceptable oligarchs and private capital in general, do not understand that the state economy is obviously inefficient (except for the war period, when the whole country is engaged in the production of ammunition). therefore, we are dependent on oil and gas prices, or rather, on excise taxes and export duties, all as in the USSR.
    Yes, we have no manufacturing industry, no light industry, no efficient agriculture, no developed tourism, and other services are poorly developed. and where can all this come from? who should work in these industries? no one. everybody sits on state wages and money allowance - millions and millions of people get decent salaries without producing anything. normal medium and small business can no longer compete with state salaries, if an entrepreneur pays staff the same amount as in the state sector, and even in white with all deductions with ph, he will go bankrupt. and the state can pay as much as necessary for aimless serving in the workplace (service), there is some crazy oil money. By the way, that's why they hire Gaster, wherever possible.
    our economy is completely state-owned - the state is the main customer of almost everything that is produced. everyone knows that the surest way to earn money is to get a state contract, a tender for construction, delivery, management, disposal, etc. anything and somewhere. because there is again easy money and, accordingly, inflated prices at times. and all this is done by companies close to the state at all levels of its vertical, or rather, they formally do it, and often simply transfer it to real offices, which already produce real money (or at least some), build it, etc. and all margin (minus rollback) remains in the hands of close intermediaries.
    the structure of the Russian state economy is really disgusting, and this suits the majority of the population, state employees rule.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 24 October 2013 15: 26
      0
      laughing
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      the structure of the Russian state economy is really disgusting, and this suits the majority of the population, state employees rule.

      - nonsense.
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      The state is the main customer of almost everything that is produced. everyone knows that the surest way to earn money is to get a state contract, a tender for construction, delivery, management, disposal, etc. anything and somewhere.

      what are you saying! It turns out that Amer Boeing only lives on sales of aircraft to private companies. And 80% of revenue doesn’t fall to him at all from the Pentagon for R&D and small things like the Raptor laughing And in the garbage processing market, a private trader sits on a private trader and takes a private trader, the state sits there and smiles sympathetically. Can teach materiel? What at least understand. that the state is the largest customer everywhere. And yes! Nothing terrible happens.
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      normal medium and small business can no longer compete with state salaries, if an entrepreneur pays staff the same amount as in the state sector, and even in white with all deductions with ph, he will go bankrupt. and the state can pay as much as necessary for aimless serving in the workplace (service), there is some crazy oil money. By the way, that's why they hire Gaster, wherever possible.

      again past. State bodies are funny! The official gets his loot, already taking advantage of the power given to him by the state on behalf of the state, which is categorically UNACCEPTABLE! And normal white salaries in the civil service lead to a normal competition of people who are mentally healthy for a job in this civil service, which is not observed in principle in Russia , not in Kazakhstan.
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      who should work in these industries? no one. everyone is sitting on state salaries and money allowance -

      - the curse of the raw housekeeper. I posted above how one could do it - one of the options
      1. Alexandr0id
        Alexandr0id 24 October 2013 16: 23
        +1
        for example, Murmansk, an average income region. not Ivanovo, but not Moscow or Tyumen. the satisfaction of a police officer (captain, major) - 90-100 tr. teacher salary at school - 130 tr (without electives), for officials of administrations and committees in different ways, the figures are comparable. and there are judges and their assistants, tax officers, bailiffs, veterinarians, faces, prosecutors, investigators, bloated bureaucracy in all kinds of municipalities and institutions. probably half of the total working population.
        and almost all of them, in addition to the denomination of all sorts of benefits - such as free travel on vacation (including abroad), take up housing, etc., and all deductions from salaries are white (they are virtual, just billing in the treasury, it’s the entrepreneur needs this money to really keep from his income and transfer to the budget).
        in mining and metallurgical enterprises, the wages of ordinary hard workers are less, even the foreman does not receive as much as the lieutenant-march.
  37. VI Kacheev
    VI Kacheev 24 October 2013 15: 13
    +3
    For Alexandr0id.
    Your quote: "... the structure of the Russian state economy is really disgusting, and this suits the majority of the population ..."
    Questions:
    1. As far as I know from life in the USSR, one of the signs STATE PLANNED of the economy was the compilation and publication of PLANS (tasks, benchmarks, goals - name it whatever you like) FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD.
    2. What OFFICIAL STATE plans, for the country as a whole, are known to you for the coming year - in numerical terms (oil and gas production, electricity generation, etc.?
    3. If there are no plans according to claim 2, then WHAT BASIS economic thieves mess you call the state economy?
    4. What is the economy of China?
    5. If it is PLANNED BY THE STATE, then your postulate of the inefficiency of the state economy - Bullshit !!! China PURPOSES TO KEEP ECONOMIC GROWTH !!!

    6. On what basis do you think that a thieves' economic mess suits MOST OF THE POPULATION - does the uprising in Biryulyovo tell you something?
  38. RomanN
    RomanN 24 October 2013 16: 06
    0
    Last comment put everything in its place, do not add, do not diminish.
  39. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 24 October 2013 17: 03
    0
    A prophet is found .. your mother ...
  40. homosum20
    homosum20 24 October 2013 17: 09
    +1
    Leontiev x .... oops..figny argued. I myself did not consider mining economics, but the environmental consequences are clear. (By the way, 100 years ago there was 1 desert in America. Now there are three of them). But even if he is right, children and grandchildren will have to pay for this cheapness. It's not just about fracturing. there is still a bit of "hydro". Ask how much "hydro" is needed for 1 well. Given that it can no longer be cleaned and returned. Children and grandchildren will have to pay extra for the cheapness. Amerov, apparently, does not care about it (but how the future of children and grandchildren of gays can shake?).
    In general, there is a cheaper way to get oil - to seize the Arab Emirates there or something else, where it is found.
  41. George Siberia
    George Siberia 24 October 2013 17: 14
    0
    Degrading in all directions (industry, education, culture, spirituality) Russia against the backdrop of technologically and industrially growing China .. Given this state of things, property relations, monetarist approaches in the economy, Russia’s loss of its statehood is inevitable in the shortest possible time (according to some estimates - 4-7 years), with all the ensuing consequences (millions of victims, famine, etc.).

    Elite Establishment - Aw! - What are you thinking up there ??
    If it is difficult to push Derpaska, Abrabovich, Makhmudov, Kerimov and other oligarchs, then at least achieve the abolition of the EG system in education, the introduction of high duties on the export of raw materials and semi-finished products! Call out: give import substitution!
  42. Indifferent
    Indifferent 24 October 2013 18: 21
    0
    With regard to industry, all we need is to make a strong-willed decision and start working. That's only in our government, all assistant professors with candidates appear to be fake. Or be afraid to open your mouth without a command. And most likely they care about the position, which they are very afraid of losing and the loot that pours on them in the form of all sorts of ebbs and flows (kickbacks). Otherwise, it’s impossible to explain the complete stagnation of everything and everything except oil and gas, and also, according to the press, arms sales. But when will we start making our shovels and nails, rather than buying in China?
    By the way, the used and explored oil reserves at such rates of pumping out will end in 15 years. I read this in several sources about the Russian economy. Apparently by that time the government was already fading. Then they will start to pollute the Volga channel with "shale gases". Leontyev wrote about this!
    1. Sour
      Sour 24 October 2013 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: indifferent
      By the way, the used and explored oil reserves at such rates of pumping will end in 15 years.

      I've heard about this all my life. And I am already in my 6th decade. In the 70s, everyone said that the world would run out of oil by the end of the century. In the 80s, there was only talk that by 2010 oil all over the world would end. Of course, with reference to "recognized and respected specialists". However, oil consumption is only growing.
      But even if it ends, what does shale gas have to do with it? He is not a substitute for oil. It is cheaper to make motor fuel, oils, aviation fuel from coal (such technologies have long been known), and not from some shale gas.
      Quote: indifferent
      But when will we start making our shovels and nails, rather than buying in China?

      Let’s no exaggeration. For example, from my friends and relatives, no one is sitting idle, everyone is producing something (and not oil at all). Someone synthetic fiber, someone building materials, someone dairy products, and someone nuclear reactors. But I have no acquaintances of oil workers, except for one former. Enough to sing old songs that Russia allegedly produces nothing except oil. If anything, I have a refrigerator, a TV, and a Russian-made washing machine. And everything is new.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 24 October 2013 23: 09
        0
        Quote: Sour
        Enough to sing old songs that Russia allegedly produces nothing except oil. If anything, I have a refrigerator, a TV, and a Russian-made washing machine. And everything is new.


        I’m afraid that there’s only a large assembly in Russian, and the Chinese have some kind of TV screen or motor in the refrigerator.
  43. poquello
    poquello 24 October 2013 20: 51
    +1
    Leontyev’s article reminded me of a joke about Gena, a mutator and a newborn Negro. From the top of Russia, an extensive group of people who like to solve problems at the expense of the population has not gone anywhere and really hopes that people will complain about shale gas, and not drag them to hang on the fence for eggs.
  44. Cherdak
    Cherdak 25 October 2013 00: 09
    +1
    Misha went a little too far. An obvious order, which he has been working out for half a year. Even "However" does not support him, because this fuss is politicized ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 October 2013 02: 34
      +1
      +))))) From the heart neighing, peas, beans, gear.
  45. vvpll
    vvpll 25 October 2013 01: 07
    0
    This Leontiev, as two of the periodic box, pops up the box and carries all kinds of crap.

    Crap, of course, crap. It just scares you so much.
    In fact, there is no shale gas.
    Sleep well guys.
  46. starhina01
    starhina01 25 October 2013 01: 07
    0
    The manufacturing industry of Russia, except for the defense industry, cannot develop .... I’ll believe we’ll set up the defense industry and there we’ll take up not all of it at once hi
  47. ikrut
    ikrut 25 October 2013 01: 41
    +3
    Quote: Walker1975
    Let's wait. Only if we wait, it will be too late to drink Barjomi.

    Over the past at least one hundred years, the States have not sold or even offered any energy resources. Although their own energy reserves are not small. Why would they start to sell so abruptly now? To annoy Russia? Primitively. Russia has more gas, the markets are staked, there are a lot of people wishing to buy. And shale is only talk so far. LNG terminals need to be built. It costs money. Reverse terminals too. Do you need cleaning plants? But what about! Without purification, shale gas does not liquefy. Again + to the price. The calorific value of shale is almost three times lower than that of a conventional one. Multiply the price again by a factor greater than 1. Are there enough LNG tankers? No! And what about the environment in mining areas? No way. No there is already ecology. And there are not enough fingers to count such problems. That's why this gas is live, except in the States no one has ever seen. Yes, and I think she won’t see it soon. This whole bazaar has one goal - to sow panic in the energy market, so that gas prices collapse. But since the days of the USSR, fools who panicked have been slightly reduced. Unless they still fuss. who is not in the subject at all. So Leontiev got into this pile for some reason.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 25 October 2013 04: 37
      +1
      Quote: ikrut
      Leontiev got into this pile for some reason.

      Here is a bunch:
      The company plans to develop the Bazhenov formation in the future Rosneft together with american ExxonMobil и Norwegian Statoil.
  48. sergerz
    sergerz 25 October 2013 03: 54
    +1
    Shale gas is a technology. And we are happy to give technology to the enemy. I can name a dozen technologies that were invented from us, and then we bought them from them: smelting in a liquid bath (this is about copper, if anyone does not know), continuous casting of a workpiece (this is about steel), ...!
    Now we need to buy shale gas production technology. About harmfulness: for example, there is such a technology - copper extraction by leaching. Goumeshki deposit. You can look at Bazhov, well, or in Google. Mine detectors have found malachite there long ago. One of the few malachite deposits. Now sulfuric acid is pumped into the ground there, so what? None of the local population sneezed. The technology was developed by Russians, and I even know some. Without ore remelting, electrolysis copper is mined and money is saved and energy mass. Shale gas production needs to be developed and environmentally friendly technology developed. The gas will become cheaper and life will become cheaper. Other industries may begin to develop. In the meantime, Uncle Miller stupidly rowing loot. And you need to make him move by force of order, you can kick. Otherwise, we will exchange the advantage for losses.
  49. 528Obrp
    528Obrp 25 October 2013 04: 11
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    Quote: sergerz
    Now sulfuric acid is pumped into the ground there, so what? None of the local population sneezed.

    ??? And there are weeks of rains? no groundwater? No drainage? No rivers? I doubt however.

    Quote: sergerz
    Electrolysis copper mined without remelting

    Well yes. And also to drive imperial vodka or a solution of sodium cyanide into the earth. And then to restore gold by electrolysis is even cooler. And the guarantee that gold will be - 100%. Just what will happen to the basins of rivers, streams, streams? I'm not talking about cost. All that you said in your post, this stage was completed as early as 20-30. last century.
  50. sega72
    sega72 25 October 2013 07: 33
    +2
    The more I read about the state of affairs in the state, the more often the song from the movie diamond hand "It seems they are not loafers, and they could live" comes to mind. This is a song about us today, sadly. The only question is, who or what, which Mondays should be canceled? Probably everyone has their own options.