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Russian Navy left without the newest frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"

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Russian Navy left without the newest frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"

The Russian Navy was left without the newest frigate Admiral Gorshkov.


Due to problems with weapons, the deadlines for the delivery of one of the most anticipated warships of the Russian Navy shifted by half a year.

The lead frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov, being built at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, will not be transferred to the Naval this year. the fleet. According to the Military Industrial Courier (VPK) newspaper, the ship’s 130-mm gun mount A-192M manufactured by the St. Petersburg Design Bureau Arsenal has not been finalized, so the transmission deadline has been tentatively postponed to the first quarter of next year.

As the “military industrial complex” was told in the military department, the ship is almost ready, but it is still berthed without an artillery unit.

“The work on A-192М has now been stopped, and next year new development work will be opened on it using existing solutions. Funds for new R & D have already been allocated, ”the officer of the Navy Commander-in-Chief told the newspaper.

The final dates for the transfer of the frigate to the fleet, he found it difficult.

“So far we are talking about the first half of next year. It all depends on how quickly Arsenal can cope with the problem that has arisen, ”the chief commander emphasized.

What is the flaw art installation, not yet reported. According to a shipbuilder familiar with the situation, it is important that the new weapon has the same power consumption characteristics and structural elements as the A-192M.

“The construction of the ship is almost complete. If the characteristics and design of the gun mount will be different, you will have to redo the power supply lines, make changes to the design of the mounting attachment to the deck, ammunition storage and more, ”said the source.

According to the shipbuilder, it may take about a year to rebuild the ship.

In the design bureau Arsenal, a member of the Federal Space Agency (Roskosmos), in addition to naval artillery installations producing more satellites, the publication failed to receive a comment. The company's management was on the Board of Chief Designers, and the employee responsible for communication with the media was unavailable.

A spokesman for the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Alexei Kravchenko, told MIC that now problems with the disruption of co-contractors of the terms of orders occur quite often.

“The system of cooperation in shipbuilding has not yet taken shape. The old Soviet is destroyed, and the new Russian is not. The USC proposes to develop a unified scheme that includes all levels of cooperation. But while it is not there, we are reaping the benefits, ”said Kravchenko.

According to Mikhail Barabanov, the editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief, there is nothing unexpected in the postponement of the transfer of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov.

“It has long been clear that the epic with this ship will last quite a long time. The ship is crude, with a mass of undiscovered systems. Expect the "Admiral Gorshkov" in the Navy in the near future is not necessary. So naval sailors will have to be patient in any case, ”said Barabanov.

The expert also noted that the former commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, was considering the possibility of purchasing naval artillery systems of the Italian firm OTO Melara for Russian warships.

The Admiral Gorshkov frigate armed with a 16 anti-ship onyx or caliber missile and the Polimen-Redut anti-aircraft missile system and the Polimen-Redut rocket system with a displacement of thousands of tons was laid in 4,5. According to the plans of the Main Committee of the Navy, the 2006 ships are to replace the large anti-submarine ships of the 22350 project, the Udaly, and the Gorshkov itself must join the brigade of the anti-submarine ships of the Northern Fleet.
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  1. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 23 October 2013 12: 40 New
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    I hate these logging tricks:
    Russian navy stayed without the latest frigate Admiral Gorshkov
    .
    but in the end it turns out that the deadlines are six months.

    a trick from the very YELLOW press, when it is written that "... the country has lost a great actor ...." and as a result it turns out that he is on sick leave for three days because of hemorrhoids ...
    1. Airman
      Airman 23 October 2013 12: 49 New
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      Quote: Silkway0026
      “The work on A-192М has now been stopped, and next year new development work will be opened on it using existing solutions. Funds for new R & D have already been allocated, ”the officer of the Navy Commander-in-Chief told the newspaper.

      Another 2 months before the new year, and work has already been discontinued. They, like the parliamentarians, begin the New Year holidays. And when will this mess end? Or do we have an overabundance of ships, what can we wait with this? While doing gun mounts, let them conduct sea trials, so that later they would not lose time.
      1. Cher
        Cher 23 October 2013 13: 07 New
        +2
        Arsenal have problems with gun mounts, for example, the A-190 does not fire normally either.
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        2. donavi49
          donavi49 23 October 2013 13: 27 New
          +8
          Shoot the same. First installment yes. But now they are shooting. They have production problems. While the trunks and mechanisms were made by the Arsenal, ships were waiting for guns for years (Soobrazitelny, Boyki, Makhachkala, Volgodonsk). Once connected Motovilikhinsky plants everything was settled right away, in terms of time. Now A-190 are already waiting for the completion of the ships.

          By the way, the price of the Motovilikha + Petrel + Arsenal option is almost a third less than the Arsenal + Petrel.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 23 October 2013 20: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: donavi49
            Now A-190 are already waiting for the completion of the ships.


            If only the installation is a problem, then this is not fatal. The question is, how are things with Redoubt? There was a lot of different information - either the rocket does not fly, then it flies, but there are no official statements yet.
          2. shpuntik
            shpuntik 23 October 2013 22: 02 New
            +2
            donavi49 UA Today, 13:27 PM ↑ New
            By the way, the price of the Motovilikha + Petrel + Arsenal option is almost a third less than the Arsenal + Petrel.

            It looks like some sort of vice chairman is in charge. I went to the first link, here is the result:


            And what else is there to wait? http://www.spb.aif.ru/society/details/708525
            “It is high time for Russian workers to wake up and fight for their rights. The average working salary at the legendary Arsenal, where now, in particular, is made by space satellites, is humiliatingly low - 20 thousand rubles. The salary of Arsenal workers did not increase for several years, despite the fact that the 134th article of the Labor Code obliges employers to index it by the percentage of inflation, ”KSM told SPB.AIF.RU.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 October 2013 13: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: Povshnik
        While doing gun mounts, let them conduct sea trials, so that later they would not lose time.

        It is impossible: when checking the load, all consumers should be included as in battle. Secondly, the 100-mm A-190 weighs 15 tons, and the 130-mm A-192, although lightweight, is probably no less. So without such a weight load on the nasal compartments, where to go? Only burn fuel! And the power plant will be checked in the database in the parking mode, but man elements without a nose AC can not be passed.
        1. Airman
          Airman 23 October 2013 13: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Povshnik
          While doing gun mounts, let them conduct sea trials, so that later they would not lose time.

          It is impossible: when checking the load, all consumers should be included as in battle. Secondly, the 100-mm A-190 weighs 15 tons, and the 130-mm A-192, although lightweight, is probably no less. So without such a weight load on the nasal compartments, where to go? Only burn fuel! And the power plant will be checked in the database in the parking mode, but man elements without a nose AC can not be passed.

          Even 15 tons with a displacement of 4500 tons is a minuscule. Load and secure there a 15-ton blank, and the problem is solved. I believe that running can be carried out, especially since the crew is already fully occupied.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 October 2013 20: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Povshnik
            Even 15 tons with a displacement of 4500 tons is a minuscule. Load and fix there a blank for 15 tons, and the problem is solved.

            Vyacheslav! I am impressed by your pain for the country's fleet. BUT! But the naval have their own laws. For example, 15 in forepeak will give about 1,5 degrees of trim on the nose. What normal landing can we talk about here?
            For a sailor, your words about fixing a 15t blank on the bow of a warship is sheer blasphemy! The sea can be very "humped" and does not like jokes with itself, and does not forgive gross mistakes. No one, unless absolutely necessary, will undertake such an experiment in peacetime. Not a single PredGos plan to go to sea will approve.
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik 23 October 2013 21: 55 New
          +1
          Boa KAA RU Today, 13:24 ↑ New
          Only burn fuel!

          Seven do not wait. Set what is, add ballast by weight and go to sea. People can’t be left without work, a simple one will cost more.
          PS "Arsenal" wool, in my opinion the fool is driven, as with the "Protons", no one is to blame. It is not the first time that deadlines have been missed.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 24 October 2013 01: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: shpuntik
            Seven do not wait for one.

            The lead ship is the "lead" ship, that all weapons and means are checked and tested on it, saving this project from "childhood diseases" that always come out during field tests at sea when the equipment is transferred to the crew for operation.
            So without full-time weapons - no way.
      3. Russ69
        Russ69 23 October 2013 13: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Povshnik
        While doing gun mounts, let them conduct sea trials, so that later they would not lose time.

        Sea trials were carried out on it.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 23 October 2013 14: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Russ69
          Sea trials were carried out on it.

          Hmm ... a little excited. So far, there were only mooring lines.
          1. Airman
            Airman 23 October 2013 14: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Russ69
            Quote: Russ69
            Sea trials were carried out on it.

            Hmm ... a little excited. So far, there were only mooring lines.

            Nothing, someone minus I cleaned for you.
      4. old rocket man
        old rocket man 23 October 2013 18: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Povshnik

        Another 2 months before the new year, and work has already been discontinued

        The fiscal year in the defense industry (funded by the Department of Defense) ends in November.
      5. No_more
        No_more 25 October 2013 17: 55 New
        0
        Why are they afraid? Now no one will shoot for this, and the state does not have much choice, there are not enough existing manufacturers. Get the result.
    2. Civil
      Civil 23 October 2013 13: 16 New
      0
      Punish the guilty, and so .... the road will be overpowered by the going, 7 years is even less
    3. explorer
      explorer 23 October 2013 13: 58 New
      +1
      and how do you like the title of the article "WTO caused Russia to the panel arbitrators " bully
      http://www.km.ru/world/2013/10/22/evropeiskii-soyuz-es/723558-vto-vyzvala-rossiy
      u-na-panel-arbitrov
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 16: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Silkway0026
      .
      but in the end it turns out that the deadlines are six months.

      This is not a little, given that it was laid down in 2006. It is a shame to build a ship for 7 years
      1. alone
        alone 23 October 2013 20: 55 New
        +2
        the next shift in the transfer date of the next warship. what Are there too many shifts?
  2. Edward72
    Edward72 23 October 2013 12: 42 New
    +8
    He worked at the Arsenal at the time of 2002-2007, what he saw there and what he was reading right now was not surprised for some reason.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 23 October 2013 21: 50 New
      +1
      Edward72 SU Today, 12:42 PM New
      He worked at the Arsenal at the time of 2002-2007, what he saw there and what he was reading right now was not surprised for some reason.

      And who is there, this “Arsenal” rules? Are they unwilling or unable?
      Or is there a similar character? http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/308184.html
  3. Yankuz
    Yankuz 23 October 2013 12: 44 New
    +3
    Our sailors have endured so many years! Well, nothing, a little more tolerance. The main thing is that this beautiful ship was reliable, and its weapons were trouble-free!
  4. little man
    little man 23 October 2013 12: 46 New
    +4
    Who will we beat?
    Again the campaign is not guilty. We have a specialization.
    "- Do you have any complaints about the buttons?"
    "- No. Sewn on tightly." (FROM)
  5. zanoza
    zanoza 23 October 2013 12: 51 New
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    It is a pity that he will not get into operation on time. Outwardly - handsome! good
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 23 October 2013 20: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: zanoza
      Outwardly - handsome


      We would have such handsome pieces 25-30 fellow instead of the promised 8 crying
  6. evil hamster
    evil hamster 23 October 2013 12: 52 New
    10
    Yes, the title is just tin. In general, of course, it’s nonsense, the ship was still at the wall, it hadn’t gone to sea yet, the main weapon systems were completely new to test and test. And then suddenly the zhurnalyugi learned that it turns out he will not be handed over to the fleet this year because of the ololo gun !! The captain obviously smokes nervously in a corner wiping away tears with envy looking at the titans of Russian journalism.
    1. Armata
      Armata 23 October 2013 18: 11 New
      +3
      Art installation is tested before installation on the ship. And the fact that they could not be prepared before the ship left the slipway is their cant. And there is nothing to look for excuses for complacency.
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  8. Rus 72
    Rus 72 23 October 2013 12: 53 New
    +9
    Have come! They cannot make a normal gun! They’ve been building the ship for 7 years, but they didn’t come up with a gun for it! What is this? !!!
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 23 October 2013 13: 10 New
      +1
      Good question: if they can’t make a gun, then what about more complex systems? And really: why not conduct sea trials and checks of other systems so far? Maybe it's not just about the gun?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 13: 30 New
      +1
      Well, the cannon began to be made even before laying the lead ship. It’s just not that simple, they refused to cut the 1 cannon with the AK-130 in favor of the new gun, under the widespread use of guided ammunition - the result is still being done. Armat Puma failed, now Cartown Puma is trying.

      And yes, the new R&D is a new gun, which has nothing to do with the frigate. They are trying to finish the frigate, but this year they are not in time.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 October 2013 13: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Rus 72
      Have come! They cannot make a normal gun!

      They can! But not in those weight and size parameters that are in the TTZ. Not with that speed and MTBF as defined by TK. Well and so on. And the mat part will be brought for a long time to come. I know this from experience.
      1. roial
        roial 23 October 2013 14: 13 New
        -2
        But not in those weight and size parameters that are in the TTZ


        So they can not, and the point.
        1. rumatam
          rumatam 23 October 2013 15: 00 New
          +2
          where does such knowledge come from in the Russian defense industry? Is Ukraine cooperating?
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 23 October 2013 18: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Rus 72
      Have come! They cannot make a normal gun! They’ve been building the ship for 7 years, but they didn’t come up with a gun for it! What is this? !!!

      The fact that the Mercian engine cannot be installed on a Lada without modification does not mean that it is bad.
      So here, they probably messed up when issuing technical specifications
  9. military
    military 23 October 2013 13: 03 New
    +2
    According to the Military Industrial Courier (VPK) newspaper, the ship’s 130-mm gun mount A-192M manufactured by the St. Petersburg Design Bureau Arsenal has not been finalized, so the transmission deadline has been tentatively postponed to the first quarter of next year.

    "Work on the A-192M has now been discontinued, and next year it will be is open new development work using existing solutions ... "

    then the first quarter, you say? ... nu-nu ... repeat
  10. turan_up
    turan_up 23 October 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    Gotta stop calling ships "Admiral Gorshkov". The aircraft carrier was sold to the Indians; this one was crude and unfinished. Apparently the name is fatal ..
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 23 October 2013 13: 34 New
      0
      Yeah and the A-19x indices stop giving guns, and even the same Indians from 190x spit.
  11. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 23 October 2013 13: 25 New
    0
    Exactly
    A spokesman for the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Alexei Kravchenko, told MIC that now problems with the disruption of co-contractors of the terms of orders occur quite often.
    “The system of cooperation in shipbuilding has not yet taken shape. The old Soviet is destroyed, and the new Russian is not. The USC proposes to develop a unified scheme that includes all levels of cooperation. But while it is not there, we are reaping the benefits, ”said Kravchenko.
  12. Garik
    Garik 23 October 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    Guilty of treason to attract! The country's defense capability should be in the first place among defense enterprises. There is no Comrade Stalin on them ...
  13. Orik
    Orik 23 October 2013 13: 31 New
    -1
    How does a frigate replace a BOD if a BOD is a destroyer and a frigate is a guard? request And this is only a frigate, what will we do with the new destroyer ?!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 13: 39 New
      +3
      Well, the new frigate is stronger than the BOD and 956 destroyer combined.

      16 UKKS - with Onyx missiles, and this is more than the 2x956 project in terms of salvo power. In addition, you can use the CD with a range of 2500 km along the coast, which BOD and the destroyer can not.
      Polement-Redoubt on the 32 SD rocket - the volley performance is greater than the 956 with two beams, the rocket is smarter and more efficient. When you load 9M100 into 4 into 1, the cell becomes more efficient than the TOP in the BOD. Well, the Polyment complex itself is more functional.

      Well, the frigate itself is in its latest form, with canvases.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 23 October 2013 17: 06 New
      +1
      Of course, it will not replace pr. 1155, but here you need to understand that there will most likely no longer be large highly specialized ships in our fleet. In this sense, pr 956 and pr 1155 will most likely remain "irreplaceable" in the sense that the new ocean-going ship of the first rank (the destroyer will be called it, or something else is not important) will most likely be universal.
  14. Maks-80
    Maks-80 23 October 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    It is high time we already transferred the entire construction of new ships for the Russian Navy to France. They build new ships from scratch in a year and a half, and ours cannot build in 5 years. Tired of it all.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 13: 41 New
      +2
      BPS RUSSE- Sevastopol, Saint Nazaire.

      Although, they are also tormented with FREM, not everything works as it should, but most of the systems are worked out at Horizons.
  15. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 23 October 2013 13: 40 New
    +2
    A spokesman for the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Alexei Kravchenko, told MIC that now problems with the disruption of co-contractors of the terms of orders occur quite often.
    The cooperation system in shipbuilding has not yet developed.
    USC, let it wait another ten years, maybe cooperation and succeed.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 13: 45 New
      +3
      Well, what to do, for example, Arsenal was a monopolist of A-190. Direct speech by the head of USC:
      - Will the pricing policy in relation to the contractors of shipyards within the framework of state defense orders be tightened in connection with this?

      - Until recently, the following rules worked here. There was a certain approximate price, which was formed from the normative profitability of the shipyard and the cost of counterparty work. Counterparty prices were not fixed, so they were rising. The shipyard considered this state of affairs to be normal, since its normative profitability was calculated taking into account the cost of the work of contractors. The more expensive the cost of counterparty work, the higher the profit of the shipyard. Only the customer remains, that is, the Ministry of Defense.

      Recently, there has been a transfer of all counterparties to solid prices. In practice, until the moment of contracting, we force the subcontractors to sign an irrevocable offer at a price. So that during 9 — 12 months from the moment of the offer, they were not entitled to change the price that appears in the contract.

      Moreover, we are trying to develop competition between contractors. Even among arms manufacturers. For example, we faced a significant problem with the fulfillment of obligations by the Arsenal plant. The plant constantly inflated the production cost of the 190 AK gun for ships of the 1 and 2 rank. We gritted our teeth, agreed, because there was no other manufacturer. But when they are, even having doubled the price, they began to disrupt the delivery time, our patience snapped. Together with the Ministry of Industry and Trade, we began to address the issue of establishing competition. As a result, the production of the gun was mastered by the Motovilikhinsky plant, made it quickly, efficiently and cheaper by 30%.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 23 October 2013 16: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, what to do, for example, Arsenal was a monopolist of A-190. Direct speech by the head of USC:

        I read, smiled and thought to myself.
        Nobody needs a frigate, the process itself is needed.
  16. dimon-media
    dimon-media 23 October 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    The first or second quarter is no longer the point. It is important that all the same pass it in decent condition next year. Nothing bad will happen if we wait another six months. In general, it is time to stop such an unhealthy tendency with postponement of deadlines. If you are not sure about the timing, then voicing them is unnecessary. Balabol pancake.
  17. Migari
    Migari 23 October 2013 13: 44 New
    +1
    It’s a pity, of course, the responsibility for disrupting the supply of weapons has already been strengthened, which means that there are objective reasons for this, there is no need for rush either, as they say, hurry up, make people laugh, let them refine it to the mind, it’s interesting what Rogozin will say here. And the frigate is really handsome.
  18. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 23 October 2013 13: 48 New
    +4
    In previous news reports, it was said that the first results on the development of the new 130 mm gun will be ready by 2015. Consequently, the "Gorshkov" will begin to be tested in full by this time.
    Our first destroyer "Sovremenny" for the first tests also left without a 2x2-130 mm gun. Then they will finalize and install. Another thing surprises me. since February 2006, the lead frigate has been built. At the tab of the ship, officials kicked themselves in the chest and promised to commission the ship in 2010. 2013 ends ... (Where are these people? I would call them to account.)
    And then eyes open and suddenly it turns out that there is no cannon on the frigate. Under Stalin, 50 people were shot for this, and the rest, those who could not make a cannon, would have felled the forest in Kolyma with a jigsaw. Except for the expression "Idiots pieces", nothing comes to mind.
  19. major071
    major071 23 October 2013 13: 50 New
    +6
    It's always like this with us. There is a ship - no cannon. There is a gun - there is no ship. Eternal Russian "maybe".
  20. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 23 October 2013 14: 21 New
    +1
    The expert noted that the former commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, was considering the possibility of purchasing for the Russian warships of naval gun mounts of the Italian company OTO Melara.

    The nicest word here is "former".
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 14: 47 New
      +4
      Well, they didn’t buy a suitable 127 mm OTO Melaru - now without a gun at all. And so, the frigate would have already run and all the UASs are already in the series, and we have most of the UASs in the form of intangible models sad .
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 23 October 2013 16: 55 New
        +1
        Very doubtful. The gun is of course important, but I'm afraid there are other problems above the roof. And for the gun’s place you can play MGM for the period of sea trials. So not a single gun, it is simply the most revealing. And as for Otto Melara, it’s purely my opinion, 127 mm we don’t live in at all, but it would be damn reasonable to buy a license to produce adapted for our 130 mm oise. As for the gun, as you know, if it’s corrected, something in the conservatory you look like it will work, the example with A190 and Motovilikha hints as if winked
  21. Russ69
    Russ69 23 October 2013 14: 23 New
    0
    Gorshkov and I are once again delaying surrender to the fleet. Sad of course.
    The Germans, by the way, also once again refused to take the Puma IFV into service.
    The Minister of Defense of Germany Thomas de Maiziere (Thomas de Maiziere) said on October 18, 2013 in a report to the Bundestag that the promising Puma infantry fighting vehicle would not be adopted by the German army and would not begin to enter the army in mid-2014, as previously planned.
    This is due to significant shortcomings in the design of the Puma BMP, identified by the results of tests of an experimental batch of five vehicles. Thus, the Bundeswehr main land weapons project of the last two decades was in a situation of complete uncertainty.

    http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/army/3968-1.html
  22. tlauicol
    tlauicol 23 October 2013 15: 51 New
    -1
    In the end, they will accept what they are. Corvettes were accepted without guns, we continue to accept without air defense systems. Submarines without torpedoes, without Mace were accepted. The first Ash without Onyx is next. "Unparalleled" fleet. Terms and amounts are generally a separate conversation.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 16: 55 New
      +8
      And again, juggling sketches sad .

      1) Corvettes without guns have never been taken! Quickly went out on the chassis without a gun, but they took him with a cannon and after firing it for accuracy and a series, moreover, the proofs of the minute line of 100mm shells are on YouTube.
      2) Submarines accept everything with torpedoes, because 533 mm "pigs" are enough for 3 wars. Another thing is that without new ones that have just entered the test stages.
      3) Head Borea was received after a series of Mace launches and the flag was hoisted in January 2013, before that the boat was in trials and the fleet did not accept it.
      4) Onyx has been in the series for a long time, and already 3 surface ships have it (Dagestan, Grad Sviyazhsk even fired off, and Uglich will have to), it is also in ground form so far only at the Black Sea Fleet, but soon there will be Bastion at the Pacific Fleet. And yes, there is a rocket for the 885, moreover, not only Onyx, but also other Caliber families. Another question is about the "Second Stage" rocket, but there is still work and work, and the current ones are some of the best in the world today.
      5) Timing is yes, but there are objective reasons for this, as well as various delays that need to be avoided.
      6) Amounts are similar, there are objective, there are cuts.

      And yes, about the moaning, in the well-fed Europe, RAAMS was detained for 5 years, while not some Corvettes suffered, but Frigates and Destroyers, who actually remained without air defense systems. Especially the UK, which built the 45 type in the form of Floating Air Defense / ABM for the island, only in the 2010 year did they conduct the first successful tests, and the operational readiness of the complex on ships (WB) was achieved by the 2012 year. And nothing.

      A photo of the launch of the non-existent Onyx from Unarmed Ash.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 October 2013 17: 21 New
        -1
        this is caliber. Onyx from the submarine flew neither the year before last, nor in the past, nor this year
        The fixed gun from YouTube went to the Caspian. Corvettes walk with defective guns and air defense systems (or even without them). The mace has not been adopted yet, and the SSBNs are accepted - nonsense! about Onyx kind of explained
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 23 October 2013 18: 28 New
          +4
          1) Of course, they didn’t shoot Onyx from Dagestan in the Caspian Sea in 2012, the flotilla commander is lying! In Severodvinsk, there were reports of firing at surface and ground targets, as well as passing tests for emergency shooting. Everything else is fortunetelling or disclosure of stamped information.
          2) Shoots, the first Motovilikh guns went to the Caspian RTOs, by the way they also shipped to the Stable gun. Which will be quite in the Baltic. But then again, Smart and Boyky passed the law, the gun mounts were shot in line and accuracy, everything is ok.
          3) ADMS problem of pairing Redut with Furke. Moreover, in AA they say everything is normal, tests are ongoing, and panic is raised in the KBP, who want to push their complex onto the corvette. That is, also an interested party.
          4) Mace - The standard carrier fired 5 rockets (and one paired one); all launches were successful. After that, the lead ship was admitted to the Navy. And only he. A recent unsuccessful launch is now associated with the jambs on the new system installed on the first production boat. But there is an investigation and we must wait for the results. In this case, the first serial and second serial will not taken into the Navy this year precisely because of problems with the rocket.

          Corvette Savvy defective cannon passes the queue standard
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 24 October 2013 07: 04 New
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            Why, when I say that our submarines (planes all the more) have not completed a single successful launch by Onyx, Yakhont or Bramos, do they constantly tell me about frigates, corvettes and Bastions? Particularly advanced ones try to include photo / video of Caliber tests, are they referring to the Caspian Flotilla? Can't tell a submarine from a frigate? Aircraft from PBRK? Or Caliber from Onyx?
            Severodvinsk was accepted at the end of the year without firing an Onyx (i.e. without the main weapon). Already they started talking about postponing for a year - things are good! The Boreas were adopted, but the Mace was not. Corvettes were accepted with defective cannons (they also sold ships to others), and the air defense missile system has not yet passed the test - at least argue here - and the sailors are not bothered who is to blame and what is the reason. They need weapons now. So Gorshkov is being detained with a cannon, and five years later you will show me Gorshkov's shooting and say: "Oh, you’re all hurt." And five years later, the launch of Onyx from an airplane - like: "I told you,
  23. PROXOR
    PROXOR 23 October 2013 16: 40 New
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    It is extremely regrettable. I understand that all new weapons require time for fine-tuning. But 7 years of doing a gun is already an excuse. It’s one thing if there weren’t any work on this type of weapon at all. But then we had everything. Of course, for the breakdown it is necessary to be tried as people who undermined the country's defense capabilities.
    I have a question for connoisseurs of ship subjects: what does not suit previous art systems that stood on the boxes of Project 1155?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 17: 03 New
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      On the 1155 ships are AK-100, but they are not suitable for a number of parameters (the main huge weight and turret spaces, for example, the A-190 with the same caliber and characteristics, weighs 2 times less), and now it’s customary to put 127mm on the frigate-destroyers . Plus UASy, despite the fact that the bourgeois do in 76 mm, the greatest effect on guided missiles is now observed precisely in 127mm (and we have 130).

      Just the question is in the approach itself. Ours originally wanted to do as the Chinese did. Simply saw off a cannon with a retractable gun from AK-130, fasten a modern cellar and case. However, then they decided to make a new gun, with new mechanisms and recoiling. As a result, it did not turn out as rosy as it was originally seen. Meanwhile, in the People's Republic of China, the PLA took on the State. Tests head destroyer 052D, which has 130mm gun, made on the basis of the principle that was originally planned for us.
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 23 October 2013 17: 17 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Meanwhile, in the People's Republic of China, the PLA took on the State. Tests of the lead destroyer 052D, which has a 130mm gun, made according to the principle that was originally planned for us.

        Interesting. And how are things going with the Chinese shooting their guns? They should have the same problems.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 23 October 2013 18: 32 New
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          The Chinese, unlike us, issue information in a very metered way. That is, if the gun does not shoot at all, no one will know about it and they will not grind anything in the media.

          However, assuming that the gun is technologically a sawn-off half of the AK-130 with a new cellar and hull, there should not be any special problems.
  24. darksoul
    darksoul 27 October 2013 16: 09 New
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    I didn’t lose, but decided to bring to mind and not to spit out a crude blank. Let them bring it to mind for a very long time we had a simple one in this industry and shipbuilders should not be blamed.