Quotes from the book edited by A. Dyukov "For what the Soviet people fought"

This book should be in every home; every schoolboy should read it. This is a scary persuasive book; Sorry, was released in scanty copies. However, now it is being sold under a copyright title.

"I saw that a person cannot see ... He cannot ...

I saw how a German echelon went down at night and burned down, and in the morning they put all those who worked on the railroad on the rails and let a locomotive along them ...

I saw how people were harnessed ... They had yellow stars on their backs ... And they rode merrily ... They were driven by whips ...

I have seen mothers beaten out of the hands of children with their bayonets. And thrown into the fire. In the well. And the turn didn't reach us with mother ...

I saw a neighbor dog crying. She sat on the ashes of the neighbor house. One ... "

Yura Karpovich, 8 years

"I remember how the hair of the murdered mother burned ... And the little one had diapers near her ... We crawled through them with the elder brother, I held on to his pant leg: first - into the yard, then to the garden, until the evening they lay in the potato In the evening, they crawled into the bushes. And then I burst into tears ... "

Tonya Rudakova, 5 years

"A black German turned a machine gun at us, and I understood what he was going to do now. I didn’t even have time to shout and hug the little ones ...

I woke up from my mother's crying. Yes, it seemed to me that I was sleeping. I got up, I see: mom is digging a hole and crying. She had her back to me, but I did not have the strength to call her, I had enough strength, just to look at her. Mom straightened out to rest, turned her head towards me and how would scream: “Innochka!” She rushed to me, grabbed me in her arms. He holds me in one hand and feels the other with me: what if somebody else is alive? No, they were cold ...

When I was treated, my mother and I counted nine bullet wounds. I learned to count. There are two bullets in one shoulder and two bullets in the other. It will be four. There are two bullets in one leg and two bullets in the other. It will be already eight, and there is a wound on the neck. It will be nine. "

Inna Starovoytova, 6 years

“We have six people in the hut: grandmother, mother, elder sister, I and two younger brothers. Six people ... They saw out of the window, as they went to the neighbors, ran in the hall with the youngest brother, closed the hook. on the chest and sit near the mother.

Hook weak, German immediately pulled off. Crossed the threshold and made a turn. I did not have time to make out, is he old or young? We all fell, I fell for the chest ...

The first time I regained consciousness when I heard something dripping on me ... It drips and drips like water. He raised his head: mother's blood drips, mother lies dead. I crawled under the bed, everything was covered in blood ... I am in blood, as in water ... Wet ...

Consciousness came back when he heard a terrible female voice ... A cry hung and hung in the air. Someone shouted so that, it seemed to me, he did not stop. Crawled on this scream like a thread, and crawled to the collective farm garage. I do not see anyone ... A cry from somewhere out of the ground is coming ...

I could not get up, crawled up to the pit and leaned down ... A complete pit of people ... These were all Smolensk refugees, they lived in a school. Semey twenty. All lay in the pit, and a wounded girl was rising and falling upstairs. And screamed. I looked back: now where to crawl? The whole village was already burning ... And no one was alive ... This girl alone ... I fell to her ... I don’t know how much I was lying ...

I hear - the girl is dead. And push, and call - does not respond. I alone am alive, and they are all dead. The sun is warm, from the warm blood of the steam goes. Head is spinning..."

Leonid Sivakov, 6 years

"Anna Liza Roostert ran up to us yesterday afternoon. She was very angry. They had a Russian girl hanged herself in a pigsty. Our Polish workers said that Frau Roostert beat and cursed the Russian. She died with us, probably in a moment of despair. We Frau Roostert was comforted, because you can get a new Russian worker for a cheap price ... "

From a letter to Ober-Corporal Rudolf Lammermeyer

“HOUSE, DON'T GORNY! »NINA RACHITSKY - 7 YEARS
"I remember excerpts, sometimes very brightly. As the Germans arrived on motorcycles ... I still had two little brothers - four and two years. We hid with them under the bed and sat there all day. The officer with glasses, I was very strange that the fascist was wearing glasses, lived with a batman in one half of the house, and we were in the other. My brother, the smallest, caught a cold and coughed. The next morning the officer comes to our half and tells his mother that if the kinder cry, do not let him sleep at night, he is his "pouf-pouf" - and points at his gun. At night, as soon as his brother coughs t or cry, the mother grabs him in a blanket, runs out and shakes it until it goes to sleep or rest.
They took everything from us, we were starving. We were not allowed into the kitchen, they only boiled it for themselves. A little brother, he heard the smell of pea soup and crawled across the floor to that smell. Five minutes later there was a terrible squeal of his brother. He was doused with boiling water in the kitchen, doused for what he asked for to eat.
And he was so hungry that he would approach his mother: “Let's cook my duckling ...”. The duckling was his favorite toy, he did not give it to anyone, and then he says: “We will weld the duckling, and we will all be full…”
Retreating, they set fire to our house on the last day. Mom stood, looked at the fire, and she had no tears. And the three of us ran and shouted: “House, do not burn! House, do not burn! ". They didn't manage to take anything out of the house, I just grabbed my primer ... "

Comments

[George]

I read a strong book in my time, trembling internally from the abominations created by the Nazis.
Perfectly by the way it is shown how the "good" German generals, who, of course, were not such bloodsuckers as Hitler, followed his orders to destroy the Soviet people. The book contains their additions in appeals and orders to the troops.
I agree with the author - this book should be in every house, and for Gozman and others ... in general, to obligate these books to memorize.

[vladimirZ]

It is on such subjects that it is necessary to make films that educate patriotism towards the Motherland, and not tolerant ones, like Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad", eroding the memory and patriotism of our people.

[user]

For example, "Come and See" is a film, a film for those who think that war is like a computer shooter.

[kazssr]

when I watched this film for the first time, there were tears in my eyes, and even now I don’t watch without them. one of the best about the war

[I am]

Yes, an example is good. This film is very serious. And you begin to perceive the meaning inherent in it only when you become an adult. looked at him in childhood, but did not understand anything.

[Heccrbq.2]

you understand him only after going through this, there is nothing good in the war, only blood and dirt, dirt and blood and there’s no desire to talk about it

[timer]

The film was watched, like many others. Under Soviet rule, they were often shown on TV. These films, besides hatred of the enemy, do not cause anything. This is where these young people should be taught. Although there are some ideological guidelines in the promotion of consumerism and tolerance (be they not okay)!

[rodevaan]

Or "Ordinary Fascism" Romm.

[Ivan Pomidorov]

It would be nice to show now on central TV.
So that the truth and memory of the terrible war are not blurred.
Or, for example, put it on torrents and advertise the link.
And I also thought - for sure there are already "copyright holders" who will object.
Here are some of them on the list, who forward to the forks ... so that no one whose place on this list is forgotten.

[dmitreach]

user
Go and watch - one of your favorite films, but you have never been able to watch from start to finish, in one go. Although in modern cinema there are plots that are more terrible and more naturalistic, but they are not true ...

[does it]

Quote: user

For example, "Come and See" is a film, a film for those who think that war is like a computer shooter.

Not a Film but a Tin.

[Ingvar 72]

Yeah, after reading childhood memories, a lump in my throat.

[Ulan]

Bondarchuk's film is not "tolerant". He's sneaky. I have had this book by Dyukov for a long time and there he first exposed the myth that only SS men and special teams committed atrocities.
Ordinary infantry and tank units were atrocious no less, and Dukov gives this a lot of facts.
This is the answer to all tolerasts trying to assert that ordinary German units were "good" and did not touch the local population.

[Suvorov000]

Bondarchuk's face can be boldly beaten only for the character: "The boy constantly shouting" Hi Hitler ", according to a priori, there were no such people, but they would have been killed right away

[don.kryyuger]

And you read Grossman's Life and Fate. Everything was there.

[ImPerts]

And add the "Gulag Archipelago" there. Then everything will fall into place.

[i.xxx-1971]

Grossman fought in Stalingrad?

[pogis]

You didn’t watch the film. In the film, it’s just the infantry units that burned the Jews alive!

[e3tozy]

Absolutely. In Stalingrad, not a single whole house was left, and even after the liberation of the city the population could be counted on the fingers. Previously, films for the sake of memory were shot and the upbringing of the younger generation, but here so that in the West they say well. Only the commercials looked vomiting. Our fathers, grandfathers, mothers of grandmothers, endured so much, won the war, rebuilt the country, rebuilt the industry, gave birth to children, raised and raised them, nothing broke them. Their genes are in us.

[valerei]

e3tozy, absolutely for sure: some commercials are enough to understand that the film "Stalingrad" was created only for one thing - that is to make money. How many yells over the millions of dollars !! that were spent and repulsed! Not a film showing the suffering and heroism of our soldiers, but the report of the chief accountant and Bondarchuk does not care about this battle itself, about hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of our crippled soldiers who broke the legs of the Germans, Magyars, Romanians, Italians and God knows who else in Stalingrad ... He makes loot! Bondarchuk was not trying for us, he was trying for a foreign viewer who is eating this brew and will be sure that this is true. And this is the most vile Hollywood, with all the Hollywood stuff. It is right to say that nature rests on geniuses. Probably he has not seen a single film created by his father. And once Bondarchuk Sr. pierced himself when he took off "Quiet Don" for foreign money, when he was forced to dance to a foreign tune and the result was complete shit. But that was only once, fortunately.

[Patton5]

what rot .... yes (no other words) put a minus article, in the eyes would look .....

[kpox]

Some kind of fascist, or sausage liberalist, or what’s simpler than a German from miratanki .....

[tomket]

Fedya Bondarchuk made his way to the site ....

[I am]

this is not, this is a creatively tolerant bastard!

[gsg955]

It’s not bad to remember that our eternal enemies-ENGLISH set us against Hitler.

[Uncle]

Quote: gsg955

set against us Hitler our eternal enemies-ENGLISH.

But the Germans stung the trigger, killing the children!

[Suvorov000]

it would not have been their British would have found someone else, with a German it does not remove the curse, but I will remove the British .. continue to try to destroy us

[stroporez]

I'm also wondering ---- why no one says that the birthplace of fascism is Britain, that Churchill was an active Nazi in his youth, and the words about the "blond beast" belong to Kipling ??? ..... again "correctness"????????

[drop]

Yuri, I agree with you. This is a scary book. Remember, we evaluated the fascist pilots. The assessment was identical - it is rabid dogs to be destroyed. Therefore, on the Leningrad Front, fascist pilots were not taken prisoner, everyone who could shot parachutes. Some DEN who considered them to be people did not agree with us. Well, let him read these books. Many of my relatives died in me, and it was precisely such a death, as given here.

[755962]

Remember forever ...
Martyrs, Kingdom of heaven and eternal memory!

[George]

Hello Yuri Grigorievich.
I remember the dialogue with Dan. He seeks noble traits in the guise of murderers and rapists. I have already said, I repeat, there were decent people among them (remember the same German who refused to execute the condemned, and took a place among them), but these are enemies, so I don’t care what qualities they have, my goal is to destroy and banish them. And after such books, with such details, one desire was to send everyone to the Valkyries. There was a war of extermination, or extermination, as you like.
But I was most outraged in the book by the disregard of our fellow citizens. Hunchbacked ... and forgave the Germans half of the reparation debt, although it was possible for veterans to create human conditions.
Dyukov directly indicates a direct and explicit betrayal by Gorbach, and later by Yeltsin of our people.
Now I don’t know why our people suffered more from the war or the hunchback-Yeltsin reforms.
In general, who did not read, read without fail.
I recently downloaded Dyukov's book "The Great Slandered War", but have not read it yet.

[Hort]

no, I think that the Valkyries did not accept such. Geeks at war with children, only in Pekla

[George]

Quote: hort

no, I think that the Valkyries did not accept such.

The main thing is to send, and let the Valkyries decide there themselves.

[Snoop]

There is such a Den considers German pilots soldiers and not war criminals. I remember reading the Luftwaffe order on how to bomb refugees more correctly. They say that simply strikes on the roads now do not give effect, the civilian population is now walking not on the road itself, but in 50-100 meters on both sides of the road in the forest, therefore it was recommended to bomb along the roads in order to cause the greatest losses. And the pilots carried out this order - the blond hero of the Third Reich.

[here and there]

Mikhalkovs and Bondarchuk would survive all this and make films about the war

[Albert1988]

Quote: GEORGE

I agree with the author - this book should be in every house, and for Gozman and others ... in general, to obligate these books to memorize.

I will add five small such kopecks - it is very good that this book is in every GERMAN family, of course in German, so that they remember, well and for a long time remember "who owes whom" and how much ...

[Bezarius]

I read a strong book in my time, trembling internally from the abominations created by the Nazis.

Let's call a spade a spade, not fascists, but Europeans. They practiced like this at all times, and not only Germans. The atrocities in their blood:
http://pikabu.ru/story/nemnogo_srednevekovyikh_uzhasov_i_pyitok_na_pikabu_164788
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[calocha]

Very many now do not understand what was then ... Everything can happen again ....

[I am]

Or maybe you don’t need repetition ???????? For example, I understand that what happens now, something like that - I can’t survive. So that.....

[Baron Wrangell]

I have not read a book! it's a pity! but read it!
And read it and wiped away the tears!

[anip]

Quote: Baron Wrangel

I have not read a book! it's a pity! but read it!

And I do not want to read this book, it is too hard to read this. And so on the Internet you come across the atrocities committed by the Germans during the Second World War.

Quote: GEORGE

but to gozman and others ... in general to obligate these books to memorize.

And about these people in general sometimes such thoughts come to mind: "It's a pity that the Germans did not make household items from their ancestors then."
And even if they learn this book by heart, they will find a lot of excuses and “remember” about the “atrocities” of the Red Army and the NKVD.

[Stas57]

And I do not want to read this book, it is too hard to read this. And so on the Internet you come across the atrocities committed by the Germans during the Second World War.

and really
why upset yourself once again ...
but for me, this must be hammered in from childhood, sparing no one and nothing, nor tender feelings, and a sick heart, with pity for the fascists it all starts.
hammer in to such that the reaction was unambiguous, without any "if"

[Uncle]

Quote: Stas57

with pity for the fascists it all begins.

I always wrote that they were given little. It was necessary not to leave stone upon stone from Germany, and the population to be driven into eternal, to death, slavery.

[cumastra1]

it is impossible to understand or forgive, much less forget. And the new generation must be educated in the awareness of what was happening in our country, how the enlightened and humane Europeans behaved .... Legends are already circulating about ignorance of the history of our Motherland by young and strong guys. It would be necessary for a min education to think deeply over this!

[lyuboyan]

Quote: cumastra1

it’s impossible to understand or forgive, much less forget

Alas, they have long forgotten, and, therefore, forgiven. In Soviet times, they still remembered. Ordinary people remembered. In all state "friendships" with the GDR, people said to each other: "What G (a) D (s) e (R) s, that F (e) R G (hell) is one devil." And now they forgot EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING.

[smile]

Uncle
Such actions are contrary to our nature. We simply were not able to do this, we are not Anglo-Saxons.

[I am]

Well, what for us such slaves ???? What would you do with them ???? They would, with their mentality, have wiped out all the grass and fucked all the goats.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Uncle

I always wrote that they were given little. It was necessary not to leave stone upon stone from Germany, and the population to be driven into eternal, to death, slavery.

Well, slavery is not necessary, but it is completely demilitarized, deindustrialized and turned into an agrarian state without a single factory - this is so that they could not produce weapons at war ...

[pogis]

For what they did in the temporarily occupied territories, the payback was to be only one - the GENOCIDE of the German people! Stalin gave them (the Germans) life! This is what destroys us, mercy to the fallen ....

[I am]

no !!! You can’t grind !!! Pall like shooting games. But here to show on certain occasions and conduct t.s. review interviews on these topics - YES !!! Very necessary !!!

[Egoza]

Quote: I am

You can’t grind !!!

Why hammer in? It is enough to read it a couple of times in the thematic lessons. And then just say: "They were also considered civilized Europeans! But this is how they were in reality. Therefore, do not believe those who praise Europe and urge them to run there as fast as they can. Give them free rein - they will repeat everything again."

[yastr]

It's good that I'm sitting at work, restrained.

[I am]

And I sat at school and opened this article, and so there are only guys around, and they are younger than me, and my tears began to drip. they did not understand ......

[Igor39]

I do not think that the Germans have changed much, they just do not give free rein to them, the same su ....

[0255]

Quote: Igor39

I do not think that the Germans have changed much, they just do not give free rein to them, the same su ....

Americans are worse! Read how they killed civilians for "democracy."

[Suvorov000]

Who are the Americans? These are the people driven into the reservation, are you talking about them, or do you mean the descendants of the killers of garbage maniacs?

[corrado]

Once, celebrating our birthday (even an anniversary), the local police (in Germany) tried to drive us home. They don’t like that, according to the old tradition, we can meet on the street and just chat, and here’s another birthday. Many Russians, strong guys, someone drunk, someone just funny, in short it became terribly local from this, so they called the outfit. There was nothing to complain about alongside, and in despair there were cries already on national grounds, like: Why do you Russians love each other so much? We do not understand this. Why can’t you sit at home like everyone else, you need to integrate, etc. etc. In short, they put pressure on the nation and tried to disperse, they began to roughly address each of us. Then I could not stand it and said in German: As you were the Nazis, they remained so! For this I was taken to jail, held there for three hours, but then released with a fine of 50 €. This is of course a ridiculous punishment, at least it did not hurt me at all. But the main thing is that I said my opinion, but my friends did not back down, arrived at the police station, demanded to release me, frightening the cops with their visit. And on my refusal to release me, my friends continued to celebrate my birthday, right next to the station.

Since then, I have always been of the opinion that they have not changed at all, they are just wandering to show it outside, therefore they have not touched me.

[fennekRUS]

eh ... civilized ones ... we barbarians do not understand such a higher humanism .. (bitter irony)

[Evrepid]

there is such a thing as self-flagellation, but psychologists say that this is not repentance. Something like this.

And Ivan (Ivan) the Terrible was Russian in the full sense? When mother Litovka?

[Evrepid]

Here are those on! It turns out Jewish mother, father Jewish, and Russian baby! )))

Yes ... You’re not just going to school, you are going to primary school. And Mendel study ...

[Evrepid]

I like those who tear the hairs on the bottom, proving: "ours is better! I killed less!" :)
Yes ... Something is wrong in this country! something very wrong!
Decide which killer is better!
Kill 30000 or 3000. Tryndets!
It is interesting to know the opinion of those 30 and 3 thousand killed who are better!

Shame alone! Ugh!

[Evrepid]

Meaning of the word self-flagellation
New explanatory dictionary of the Russian language. Author TF Efremova.
self-flagellation cf. 1) Inflicting physical suffering on oneself out of religious fanaticism. 2) trans. Severe exposure of their actions, weaknesses due to repentance, consciousness of their guilt.
orthographic dictionary
self-flagellation self-flagellation, -I
Explanatory Dictionary, ed. C. I. Ozhegova and N.Yu. Shvedova
SELF-TALKING, XNUMXst, cf. (book). Inflicting moral suffering on oneself, repenting and blaming oneself. Do self-flagellation.
Explanatory dictionary of the Russian language, ed. D.N. Ushakova
Self-flagellation, cf. (book). 1. Inflicting physical suffering on oneself out of religious fanaticism. 2. trans. Self-infliction of moral suffering due to repentance of error, consciousness of guilt. His speeches constantly responded with bile and caustic self-flagellation. Turgenev.

But what does psychology say about self-flagellation?
Attacks of self-flagellation as a rule do not happen from scratch. Before “rolling” something like “oh I, the last r in this universe”, or “well, why can't I”, “what mediocrity, mediocrity, helplessness, foolishness (I) am” something.
Let's try to look at this Event.
1. In it, as a rule, a person is clearly inferior to another in strength, courage, (to any parameter important to him). Or thinks he is inferior.
2. Events do not develop as we would like, and the desired option simply floats out of our hands.
3. A person sets himself some levels, and tries to “jump over” them, usually unsuccessfully (it happens that is successful, but he cannot appropriate the result).

The total of these three points implies that self-flagellation, self-indulgence, self-calling, allows you to:
Point 1: To cope, albeit in a peculiar way, with lost competition (even if it is competition for ... a place on the bus).
Point 2: Instead of accepting (in an adult way) that not everything in this world happens according to our desires, a person begins to take on responsibility as a child. (A similar example: Mom and Dad are getting divorced - which means that I'm so bad that they don’t want to live together.)
Point 3: To cope with the incompatibility of the “image of myself” (as I see myself from the outside) and what is actually happening.

[ImPerts]

Why all this?
Maybe people do not understand?
Like, you’ve been shown a place, but you don’t understand ?!
For 1000 years, enlightened Europe, making titanic efforts, has been trying to bring light to barbarian Russia, but there is no sense. The steep Geyvropeytsy pissed and shit in the corners of the palace chambers, but etiquette ... And the vile Russians ran into the courtyard, tossed in the wind ... Or, even more mockingly, put out the toilets ... (which would not stink everywhere, but in one place ) ... BARBARA!

[Vladimir73]

Evrepid, and determine the nationality of dad or mom? The Lithuanian tribes (not to be confused with the current Lithuanians) stood close enough to the Russians by kinship (when seizing the lands of the collapsed Kievan Rus, they pressed precisely on this kinship and that was why they were able to subdue so much territory).
Regarding the number of those killed - can you give an example that the ruler of the state would preserve the integrity and wealth of his lands without shedding blood? If you still find it, then please tell us how long he remained in power.
Regarding self-flagellation by Ivan IV the Terrible, he didn’t get into his soul, he didn’t personally meet, so his siblings and confessor could appreciate the sincerity of his repentance, and they seemed to believe him ....

[Rambiaka]

In the school course, you need to enter this. Reading is scary and painful, but necessary! Really needed!

[I am]

RETURN !!!! It was partly even when I was still in school.

[wasps]

God save our children from what the children of our great-grandmothers and grandfathers experienced ... Gayropopedoliberasts and all "sympathetic democratizers" burn out the text of a book on the "subcortex" of their brains with a red-hot iron.

[Firstvanguard]

With a hot iron on them, they wrote a text in order to activate the activity of the subcortex, and the subcortex remembered what the smell of tolerance was.

[borisjdin1957]

from the Don.
God forbid to survive this!

[ImPerts]

This should be read to Fed Bondarchuk. So that it was in my head, and not trips to India. Give him love in Stalingrad ...

[ImPerts]

Fans of bald and pink dances, or maybe something worse, have already drawn a minus. This is probably Mikhalkov with his "great movie about the great war" like. The tanks were gray there. but under sail.
It would be better if Fedechka rehabilitated himself for "Inhabited Island", made a documentary film with Dyukov on this book for 1.000.000.000 rubles and sent it to the Oscar.

[rolik]

Quote: ImPerts

a documentary film with Dyukov on this book and would send him to the Oscar.

If he made a film from this book, he would not have made that kind of money. But they would not even be allowed to go to the Oscars; in the West, the truth about this war is not needed. they only need their truth, where the main battle of the Second World War was the battle for the island of Midway. And Stalingrad, the Kursk Bulge, the Battle of Moscow (according to new Western historians) are battles of local significance.

[erased]

Reading is scary. So they killed my Soviet people. But now the same fate has been prepared for us. And not only by China, NATO and the States, but also by those who kill Russian people on the streets of Russian cities, and almost with impunity. These are also enemies, but internal, or those who came from neighboring countries are often illegal and create lawlessness.
There is only one defense against everything - people's power. But there are just problems with the authorities.

[0255]

I will have to read this book. And to give it to those who think that if Hitler had won, we would now happily live in Germany, drinking Bavarian beer.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 0255

And to give it to those who think that if Hitler had won, we would now happily live in Germany, drinking Bavarian beer.

Remember the joke about the Germans -Sa..Sa ..- Fat? No, salute.

[Corsair]

Quote: 0255

I will have to read this book. And to give it to those who think that if Hitler had won, we would now happily live in Germany, drinking Bavarian beer.

The people you want to invite to read the book come from the category that "look at the book and see the FIGURE). That is, the perception of reality is so distorted that nothing can be done. At least by conventional," civilized "methods.
To break the stereotype, such an "individual" must experience a shock.
But such a phenomenon in a relatively calm society is not often met ...

[I am]

Well I certainly don’t know. But I think that many who think so would simply not be in the world, because would not be born. That's all.

[Rinat 1]

Scary to read. Glory to our grandfathers, fathers and brothers who defeated Nazi evil !!! God forbid us to see what they saw!

[Gari]

Quote: Rinat 1

Scary to read. Glory to our grandfathers, fathers and brothers who defeated Nazi evil !!! God forbid us to see what they saw!

That with us would be if our grandfathers did not win.
Thanks to the grandfathers for the Victory.

[Nomad]

This book is (was, at least) on this site http://militera.lib.ru/index.html
There is much more interesting there.

[stas52]

I don’t know from your link I didn’t find it, but here is the torrent http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1731960

[folds]

http://militera.lib.ru/research/dukov_ar/index.html

[Standard Oil]

No, we now have more and more about the "sufferings of the German prisoners of war" which, they really were horrified, they were forced to work, restoring what was destroyed, and they gave little meat, these are really Bolshevik animals.

[anip]

Quote: Standard Oil

No, we now have more and more about the "sufferings of the German prisoners of war" which, they really were horrified, they were forced to work, restoring what was destroyed, and they gave little meat, these are really Bolshevik animals.

That’s for sure, the Bolshevik animals. And even the Bolsheviks are insidious, it was necessary to lure the Germans first, and then enslave all the captives.
(Bitter sarcasm, if any liberal does not understand)

[Darn]

Quote: anip

Quote: Standard Oil

No, we now have more and more about the "sufferings of the German prisoners of war" which, they really were horrified, they were forced to work, restoring what was destroyed, and they gave little meat, these are really Bolshevik animals.

That’s for sure, the Bolshevik animals. And even the Bolsheviks are insidious, it was necessary to lure the Germans first, and then enslave all the captives.
(Bitter sarcasm, if any liberal does not understand)

How, after all that they have done, also the FOUNDED REMAINS? Like in childhood, I argued with my grandfather what would happen if he saw a German. To which he replied, he would take an ax and hack it. After reading the book, the desire is the same. And when on the Internet you find the memories of people who were eyewitnesses of cruelty to the Russian people in Chechnya. 1990. So the Nazis recall.

[Ivan_Ivanov]

Distribute, distribute, DISTRIBUT !!!

On all available forums and sites.

[Russ69]

Quote: Ivan_Ivanov

Distribute, distribute, DISTRIBUT !!!

On all available forums and sites.

This must be translated into foreign languages, otherwise they have already hesitated about the 2000000 million raped Germans ...

[0255]

This must be translated into foreign languages, otherwise they have already hesitated about the 2000000 million raped Germans ...

By the way, Germans were raped to a greater extent by Americans. American rank and file killed the officers who forced them to rob and kill civilians. Many American soldiers were transplanted after the war for this.
Of course, there were such rapists in the Soviet army, but not in such quantities as in the United States.
And the Germans should better present the US bill for Dresden and other cities that the Americans bombed.

[vlad0]

Also translate into German, English and French. And to each Baltic State - for compulsory reading.

[Blot]

Totally agree with you! It just needs to be translated into all languages ​​of the world !!! Especially in Nemchurinsky ...

[aszzz888]

On such books, it is necessary to put the stamp 18 + (as in television films), because really the facts are not for the faint of heart.
BUT THE NEED TO KNOW!
Bitter, but true.

[Stas57]

On such books, it is necessary to put the stamp 18 + (as in television films), because really the facts are not for the faint of heart.

on such books you need to put 7 + and hammered from a child

[Jipo]

Yes, it's scary ... Such a story should be published in textbooks, then there will be fewer "swamp" renegades, and the Albats with Shenderovich and various bulls (zimbeltrudes) may stop citing. http://mirknig.com/knigi/history/1181265053-sbornik-knig-aleksandra-dyukova-10-s
ht.html collection of books by Dyukov.

[Ivan_Ivanov]

Frankly, at school I would not understand, did not feel.

In our Soviet school they still talked about all this, but our pupils ’attitude to such stories was not the same as fairy tales, no one listened, did not believe to the end.

And now - the hair on the head is moving.

[Jipo]

I didn't understand War and Peace at school either, and then grew up and read. Maybe someone will not understand now, then reread it later. I finished school in 90, I also read "Children of the Arbat" and Volkogonov, "Ogonyok" studied, you can imagine what kind of mess I had in my head. And recently I downloaded Korotich's "Ogonyok" binder from 88 to 91, started looking at who the authors were, very much the style of one radio station resembled, and there Albats, Latynina, Shenderovich, a beginner and other "fighters" for Freedom, what is not an article is an innocently repressed, dissident with a "Russian" surname and Stalin, Stalin, Stalin (ghoul, schizophrenic, murderer, paranoid) and all without facts, unfounded. I am ashamed to remember myself, I was glad that Gorbachev had arrived from Foros safe and sound. 23 years have passed, maybe I can explain to my children that everything is not as it seems at first glance and the slogans about freedom are the first step to the fact that someone wants to fuck you.

[kripto]

Excuse me, what year did you graduate from school, what was the pofigistic mood?

[Jipo]

I say, in 90, I was 17 years old. The time is interesting, to be sure - Russian rock, video salons, rocking chairs and gyms (this is true from about 15 years old), a talking shop from all screens and the hope that it will become like in the West - full shops, shining lights, clothes not according to coupons (" Alaska "my mother bought me for them). All this, of course, is now, but it is gone, which is the main thing, our children are already cynics at the age of 6, everything around has become disposable, if it is profitable for you, then this is good, if not, then spit and rub.

[mithridate]

this book must be memorized by a Polish student - the author of the sculpture "Rape of a Polish Woman by a Soviet Soldier"

[gsg955]

Psheks are famous prostitutes and you won’t get them with books.

[Jipo]

Poland is a unique country, all their neighbors are enemies. The Americans were lucky that they had Mexicans as neighbors, not psheks.

[Blot]

For centuries, the Poles have been scum!

[ImPerts]

It is necessary to erect a monument in Katyn - Pilsudski raises a Jewish boy on a bayonet. From will be ...

[sarmat-4791]

insert this student through the zadnitsa according to the tonsils so that his head does not swing - they need such a monument

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Tears in the eyes and anger

[kpox]

this is not anger ... it is precisely that "noble fury" that "boils like a wave"

[Wild_grey_wolf]

I was expecting from the film STALINGRAD just this level of emotions that you experience when reading excerpts from the book

[Blot]

I wanted to write something evil ... but I can not find the words, probably in the nature of these does not exist. My heart is breaking ... we must not forget this !!!

[kpox]

Reading this, you understand how and why our ancestors mastered the most powerful army in the world of the 20th century. Something unknown wakes up inside, as if a 1000-year-old giant straightens out of stone blockages, as if a nuclear bomb begins its chain reaction somewhere in the chest, teeth close like hydropress and a lump in the throat seems ready to fly out of the tank shell from the inside ....

[stalker]

I also read a lump in my throat, my daughter was 2.5 years old, I stroked her head and thought I would tear her with my bare hands, bite my teeth. We need to hold together the Slavs to be more united and no bastard.

[kpox]

why only the Slavs?

[fan_]

I agree, not only the Slavs with the Nazis fought to the death! Take Panfilov’s division near Moscow, most of them were Kazakhs, as far as I remember, it was formed in present-day Kazakhstan. This is one example! To summarize, I will say thanks then to all Soviet people who fought on the Front and in the rear (who built fortifications and worked in factories).

[Blot]

Misfortune will unite us ... here we are Slavs ...

[R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№]

There is this book on flibust. Http://www.flibusta.net/a/73982 And much more from Dyukov. It’s hard to read but because if we forget about the past, it can come back. For too many begin to imagine themselves white gentlemen.

[sub307]

A good book, there would be more of them.

[RBLip]

Quote: sub307

A good book, there would be more of them.

it would be better if they weren’t at all. in the sense that our people would not have to suffer so. and the book is, of course, a good one.

[Avenger711]

And it’s time for a long time to introduce a law on criminal punishment up to the death penalty, because this cannot be cured for denying the role of victory, so that no one even dares to dare to speak on the Internet, and any resource on which such a remark is noticed immediately transmitted the IP of the violator to the prosecutor’s office.

[ksv36]

Quote: vlad0

And to each Baltic

... one paragraph is enough to read for five years. They will not have time to read it in their life.

[ia-ai00]

Never heard of this book. While reading the article - I burst into tears. I’m unlikely to find in myself courage read the whole book. The book is of course the most valuable, in it every line is DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE CRIMES fascists, and the younger generations are OBLIGED to know this, so that the "tolerants" could not "wipe" and pervert another tragic period of the people of Russia.

[Monster_Fat]

All these modern, computerized "war films" are not perceived by the modern generation as real. At best, they are perceived as splash screens for the game "Call of Duty" and nothing more. There is no realism in them, only special effects. Therefore, there is no serious empathy for the tragedy that then hit our homeland. I somehow managed to seat my 14-16 year old children and force them, almost by force, to watch "Come and See". They were not just shocked, they were in awe. Daughter so, she, in general, burst into tears. All of them unanimously said that such films should not be watched, because they are creepy, up to the colic in the stomach, realistic, directly naturalistic, but ... then, they also expressed themselves in the sense that on the screen, the truth is nothing else. as communist propaganda during the Soviet Union. So, so, gentlemen, the "train" for our "new" generation seems to have "already left".

[smile]

Monster_Fat
Sorry, but it's your fault, you missed the kids and allowed the train to leave. My thought would not have arisen to blur something out about communist propaganda - he himself would eat with giblets for such a reaction - his train did not go anywhere. And the screening of the film "Come and See" in the classroom was organized as part of the class hour. Then there was a discussion - I was present and participated - I did not notice such a reaction, like your children, no one else, although the children, admittedly, were slightly nailed at first.

[Corsair]

Quote: smile

And the screening of the film "Come and See" in the classroom was organized as part of the class hour. Then there was a discussion - I was present and participated - I did not notice a similar reaction, like your children, no one else, although the children, admittedly, were slightly nailed at first.

At one time, for students, screenings of such films were organized in cinemas. In addition to the harshly truthful "Come and See", the Japanese full-length cartoon "Barefoot Gen" about the victims and consequences of the atomic bombing of Japan is remembered ...

[smile]

Corsair
I am from 71. I remember.

[stroporez]

so for sure, it was like that ------- we still transferred money for these shows --- for schoolchildren it was free .......

[the USSR]

You cannot hide your eyes from the truth. In order not to happen again. Because I'm sure, they made the conclusions. The next invasion will be total destruction. US At least They will try to do it.

[Hort]

well no. The next invasion will be the total destruction of THEM!
The benefit of their tolerance, elevated to absolute, leaves no regrets about the cleansing of the earth from all this evil

[Andrey Skokovsky]

tried six months ago to order this book and could not, do not print .......

[stroporez]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

tried six months ago to order this book and could not, do not print .......

and how, after this, how to treat the leaders of the tryndezh about the "national idea", about the "historical memory" ??????????

[Black demobilization]

I will not forget !!!! Will not forgive

[PValery53]

"Deutsche soldaten und der offizieren", their entire army and people had to answer for the war with our adequate victims. And today's gayropeans would then think with horror about a possible war with the Russians, with Russia ... Our forgiveness can turn against us ... For monstrous crimes it is necessary to "charge" an exorbitant price, in the name of millions of our innocent victims. The book is amazing ...

[understudy]

Quote: Monster_Fat

So, so, gentlemen, the "train" for our "new" generation seems to have "already left".

He, this "train", did not go anywhere. Until he left. While we are alive.
It is trite, but the problem of education must be dealt with systematically, and not for the next "significant dates and anniversaries." After all, no one forbids our leadership to determine the "general line" in the activities of the media, as before, it is enough to pick up the phone. In our country, they prefer to declare - if you don't want to, don't look! So it turns out that a teenager stands in thought between parental admonitions and a massive onslaught of electronic crap.
Young people do not accept "Soviet propaganda"? So there are examples of blatant genocide of the Russian population much closer. Isn't it a topic for education?

[Monster_Fat]

I am very sad, but "examples of genocide of the Russian population, which are much closer" NEVER, you hear, NEVER under the current government will not be covered, but even stuttering about them will not be allowed. With all due respect, do you really think that our, like the president, who conferred the title of Hero of Russia to a person who publicly declared that "he killed the first Russian at the age of 14" would allow it ...

[smile]

Monster_Fat
You are not telling the truth. In comparison with the nineties, the state policy in this area has changed dramatically. If in the nineties on the screens there were continuous "revelations" and throwing mud at the country, solid pigs, millechins, then now they have practically hit, quite a lot of excellent documentaries have appeared. Only a "type" completely blind, or a "type" liar can fail to notice this. And in this case, you are on a par with such denouncers of the "regime" like Svinidze .... congratulations.

[Bigriver]

The Western world is a plague for Russian people.
We are we, they are they. And no mixing and mutual enrichment of peoples is destined to be.
But, I admire my people, their ability to forgive and such.

[revnagan]

Quote: BigRiver

But, I admire my people, their ability to forgive and such.

Forgive? Yes, we just didn’t know much. And our grandfathers didn’t know this in Germany. We saw a lot, but didn’t know everything. Otherwise, there would still be salt marshes in Germany. I don’t remember if I wrote about what I saw grandfather ... He always remembered this when they smashed a slaughtered boar ... They fought back the territory where our military hospital with non-walking wounded remained under the Germans. The wounded lay in rows burned from a flamethrower ... the color of a swine pig ... . He said that there was no more fear or other emotions, just to get to the Germans. The Germans were lucky, to Germany Haniyah he did not reach, a serious injury and one leg is shorter than the other by several centimeters.

[Onotollah]

Quote: revnagan

He said that there was no longer fear or other emotions

I have a grandfather who fell into a cauldron near Yukhnov, shot by a sniper (his face was like a child’s puzzle piece of pieces) and a miracle survivor never talked about the war. He only drinks 100-200 grams and is silent. And tears in his eyes.

[valerei]

revnagan, My father only once said that when he was following the road to East Prussia as part of his artillery convoy, the head tank that overtook them crashed into the tail of the German refugee convoy and managed to wind them on tracks about 100 meters, until they understood and began to run away. Probably our tanker also saw something similar and more than once. What happened to that tanker? Who knows.

[Hort]

also from my father (and he, in turn, from a friend of a veteran) heard about this - the tankers killed all the hatches and crashed into a column of civilian Germans.
And as for what happened to the tanker, yes, I think nothing happened to him. In the sense of punishment by the NKVD or the tribunal. After all, everyone perfectly understood why he did this ...

[soldier's grandson]

let those who still believe that "it would be better if we lost and now everyone would be driving an Audi and a Mercedes" read this book. It seems to me that children of that time tell the best about the horrors of war, it is scary to read and you cannot read without tears

[Straus_zloy]

and after that the geyropa is still trying to bill the red army for fucked German women

[kaktus]

oh well, improved the gene pool

[Aydar]

Dyukov’s book makes a strong impression. But we must not forget that the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis were caused by a special uproar, a hypertrophied sense of the superiority of one’s own nation over another, supernationalism and contempt for other nations, contempt to such an extent that the difference between livestock and people was erased. After all, the proverbial slaven sind sklaven was in use. What inspired the Germans to commit the atrocities described by Dyukov is perhaps very relevant and relevant to modern Russia.

[Black]

Quote: Aydar

But do not forget that the atrocities committed by the Nazis were generated by a special yelling,

I hope that you do not justify this truly cattle ...

And let me disagree with you. Fascism came to power in 33 ... And what, in six years, did they "reforge", "reprogram" an entire nation? How can you reconfigure an adult who has been brought up on Christian morality and make a beast out of him?
I think atrocities - animals. they would have done the same thing in the 33rd, if they had managed to get it.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Chen

"reprogrammed" an entire nation? How can you reconfigure an adult who has been brought up on Christian morality and make a beast out of him?

Well, after all, not the whole nation did the atrocities, let’s not summarize, the dissenters went to camps, the soldiers also didn’t all atrocities, there are scumbags, sadists and other trash in any nation. Permissiveness removed restrictions from a person when the command almost encourages executions , the staff is getting wild. By the way, during World War I, Hansa was also well noted.
With regard to Christian morality, this did not interfere with the Crusades or other wars. Sins are easily forgiven for 10 "Our Father"

[Aydar]

Nazism, to be more precise, but it came to power much earlier than 1933, in 1933 its final formation and recognition of de jure state ideology came to the end. Nazism came to Germany when Hitler and his stormtroopers went to Munich on a police chain. It was then that "heroes" such as Horst Wessel and Herbert Norkus appeared in Nazism, and the very idea of ​​Nazism conquered the souls of millions.

[zadorin1974]

but in the Baltic States and Ukraine they praise their scum from SS legions and guard battalions-monuments to these fanciers.

[Vladimir73]

Let them praise, and put it on display - then there will be no pity for the tanks to crush them ...

[Black]

Quote: Monster_Fat

With all due respect, do you really think that ours, like the president,

You can't do that, dear. We do not have a "president type", we have a President.

[Garrym]

I read the article and only one thing occurred to me:
ETERNAL MEMORY OF THE SOVIET SODATE-RELEASER
We veterans at the feet of clanjats should and not grafitti draw on the monuments. I am ashamed

[Rapier]

The writer is a sadist. I’ve come up with such a horror. And most importantly, the villains are not Russian!
Study your bloody history from the beginning, and then compare your crimes with the crimes of others, Germans, British, French, Jews and the most important democrats, and you will realize (if you understand?) That your people are still a villain.
I have the opportunity to study the history of 2 MB from both sides, I heard the tales of the participants in the war and those who were under occupation. As far back as the 60s, I realized what a criminal country the USSR was headed by Stalin. The USSR did not need enemies; he was his own enemy.
I’m not going to defend the crimes of the Germans during the 2nd MV, but partisans are to blame for punitive actions against sabotage in the rear. They are like real cowards, derail the train and hide in the woods. The whole severity of their crimes was carried by civilians, i.e. civilians not involved in sabotage. Now it’s called terrorism.
I do not need to be called, I only live and work here.

[tomket]

So, I’ll say right away I haven’t read the book yet, but I’ll read it for sure. regarding good Hans. Grandmother and Grandfather told how your valiant 6 army walked along our area on the way to Stalingad, that not a village is so listed in the center of the village of executed residents. And behind the village there is a memorial stone, at this place there was a local concentration camp, the concentration camp is of course loudly said, just a place in the field fenced with barbed wire, where the inhabitants simply starved to death. So my father’s grandfather died, both legs were shot at him, and my grandmother carried food for him and other prisoners at night. then the Italians came, so it was just the earthly and heavenly angels compared to the Germans, by the way it seems to me that the 6 army in its destruction was overtaken by retribution. Since many fascist cattle did not die in battle, like soldiers, they died of starvation and froze like dogs under a fence. It’s a pity, of course, that not all. Grandmother’s sister, by the way, recalled the fields of frozen fascist cattle. once again study history, before writing this, follow the precepts of Ilyich — learn to study and study, in spite of your age to learn, there is still something for you to learn.

[tomket]

By the way there is a saying, scratch any war crime and you will find a German. how do you comment on folk wisdom ???? in general, you are clearly to the psychiatrist.

[uyrii67]

And also thought up Majdanek Buchenwald Khatyn Lidetsu Babi Yar to continue ??? And after all this, our grandfathers did not repay in the same way !!! Glory to the SOVIET SOLDIERS !!!

[smile]

Rapier

Daaaaaa .... the life of a simple Tolerast is hard and unpretentious ..... You are a vivid confirmation of the deceit of Western propaganda, which disturbs the average person's ability to think, its victim and illustration ....

Well, if we compare our history with the acts of the cannibals of the Anglo-Saxons (Hitler was just a fairly consistent student, it was not in vain that Goering in Nuremberg convincingly proved that the Germans did nothing. What the Americans and British would not do) or other colonialists who destroyed and enslaved entire nations . then we fit nimbus to try on ....
as for revolutions and civil war, the French revolutions, or, for example, the monstrous Jacquerie, during which one third of the country's population was destroyed, are simply incomparable. Moreover, the Entente countries actually provoked our civilian life and burdened it with intervention ...

I don’t know what opportunities you have, but you obviously do not use them. from 20 to 53 years, we were executed significantly less than seven hundred thousand people - and this time came to banditry and in fact sabotage war along the entire perimeter of the borders, Hitler’s bandits, executioners and murderers also got here.
In May 47, the bad Stalin abolished the death penalty ... for comparison, in the 30s in Europe and the United States only for "revolutionary activities" about 800 thousand people were shot - go to the branch about the Holodomor in the United States.
You find amazing stupidity and incompetence in history, to see the brains is enough only for simple agitation like rezunovskie .... given your pearls. your statement that you are studying history can only cause friendly mocking laughter .... :))))
And in front of the partisans, your beaten Nibelungs apparently experienced such animal horror that they were able to infect you with them ... :))) Only a pathetic dim-witted little man is capable of such statements ... you are not a rapier-you-boots ... we have a saying "... like a felt boot." it's about you .... ugh. you even disgust to write ...

[Rapier]

No need to embellish the Sovdep regime. Only in one small town of Aktyubinsk there were 2 camps and one prison. The corpses were brought to a wasteland (then a factory was built on this place), and burned in the spring. So witnesses said that there were mountains of corpses. There is a separate topic about Nizhny Tagil and the Urals, where the contingent dropped out every half a year and was updated again, there are a lot of men in Russia (as Zhukov said about women they give birth).
This nonsense also applies to the assertion that the Slavs wanted to withdraw. 100% delirium invented by Soviet ideologists to obscure their mediocrity and put people like sheep under tanks! In Germany itself at that time, 40% of the population were Slavs. Hitler himself was not 100% Aryan and was surrounded even with Russian blood. Bulgaria 2 world wars was on the side of Germany. In the occupied territories, the entire Slavic population could be withdrawn, but for some reason they fought only with partisans and saboteurs. Non-compliance is obtained, however!
And besides, on the side of the Wehrmacht and in the auxiliary troops there were 1,2 million Russians and other nationalities of the USSR, how to qualify this phenomenon? About 95 thousand Jews and mixed with Jews were captured, how to draw a theory about the extermination of Jews? There is something to think about, however!

[MVS]

Quote: Rapier

There is something to think about, however!

Read at your leisure
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%E5%ED%E5%F0%E0%EB%FC%ED%FB%E9_%EF%EB%E0%ED_%CE%
F1% F2
Although this is no longer being treated.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Rapier

In the occupied territories, the entire Slavic population could withdraw

Ha, and who would grow your food? The plans were the allocation of land allotments for the poor faterland

[smile]

Rapier
You made a stupid mistake ... although, of course, what would you, a felt boot, take this:))) - you shouldn't have voiced such nonsense of a gray mare - your fairy tales contradict even the conclusions of the Memorial society funded by Western propagandists. :)) ) Even they have not counted more than 700 victims in thirty years ... but how hard they tried :)))

By the way, about "women are still giving birth" - this phrase was derived by Comrade Eisenhower
rather, by his guys (although there are versions that one of our leaders of the 18th century spoke like that) ... but this is definitely not Zhukov’s phrase

If you were a normal person, I would find the source and prove it to you (already once I omitted something similar to you, but clever) ... but to speak with you - too lazy - your mind is exclusively focused on Russophobic agitation ... but I am pleased. that you used this phrase, confirmed your worthlessness. :)))

And the fact that you deny the Ost plan ... is beyond the limits ... are you definitely capable? In German, this plan was fully published from the late seventies to the early eighties (in Germany) and officially .. are you unfamiliar with the German language? :)))
I’ll even ignore your further pathetic attempts at the partisans .... you are utterly stupid, and infinitely unscrupulous ... What to talk about with you? You are generally rare .... man, you managed not to say IN YOUR RESPONSE ANY WORDS OF THE TRUTH ........ I probably have never met such people on the site ... not once! :))) Be proud, you are not just rare - you are the rarest g .... :))) well, not a person, for sure! :)))

[ddmm09]

Mr., you tell the Poles about this, how did the people who suffered the heaviest losses in the Second World War as a percentage! .. Did the Russians destroy them? .. Didn’t the first concentration camps appear in Poland? .. Didn’t they first divide the population into Aryans and non-Aryans on special anthropometric grounds (I don’t remember the exact name of this program) and then non-Aryans to be taken to concentration camps with subsequent mass destruction? ..

[catapractic]

I’ll answer you about the Jews - firstly, the majority of the Jews captured were workers of the construction battalions of the Romanian army (their families were held hostage by force) they were supposed to be eliminated after the war, and secondly, the Finnish army did not have antisimetism and the Jews served there even in officer posts, many representatives of this nationality were also in Mussolini (there were even 2-3 generals) so it’s not surprising to get captured

[Bezarius]

And no one embellishes it, although it should be worth it. At least for the fact that Germany was not billed "in blood" for what they did on our land. In general, what is there to discuss, Europeans are cowards, liars, hypocrites and maniacs. They have always been and always will be, I will witness more than 2 thousand stories. You, Europeans, did not drown the world in blood just because Russia exists, and every time it prevents you from destroying all other peoples. In general, if you are so smart, go and tell this to the Syrians, it will be very interesting for them to hear your comparative description of Barbaric Russia and Enlightened Europe.

[i.xxx-1971]

We have a huge village - four detoxification centers.

[kenig1]

I do not need to be called, I only live and work here.

Half rapiers are not pederasts.

[Worga14]

It was not the Soviet people who started the bloody slaughter! It was not the leaders of the USSR that developed methodologies for eliminating the "Race Unit"!
But my Soviet Russian people paid a huge price for today's well-being of all people living on the Eurasian continent, paid in blood for the right to life of all "NOT Aryans" (in the Nazi sense).
Of course, it’s easier to try to forget and live on if you are a person without conscience and without memory, without honor, without responsibility for the future of your children.

Eternal memory to my great-grandfathers, crushed by the tracks of German tanks in August 1942. I remember! My children will remember! While I live, I will bear the memory of the great war.

And every person should read this book in order not to repeat the mistakes that were once committed.

And you should visit Rapier museums in Buchenwald and Auschwitz. After which, at least once in a lifetime, imagine a corpse and multiply your impression on the number of dead Soviet people.

[revnagan]

Quote: Rapier

but partisans are to blame for punitive actions against sabotage in the rear. They are like real cowards, derail the train and hide in the woods. The whole severity of their crimes was carried by civilians, i.e. civilians not involved in sabotage. Now it’s called terrorism.

According to international conventions, Russia, as an incompletely occupied state, had every right to conduct a guerrilla war. This time.
The sabotage actions are being carried out - a small force strike into a vulnerable place and instant withdrawal is the ABC. Partisans are essentially sabotage subunits of the spacecraft. These are two.
The hostage system, which destroyed the civilians used by the German fascists, is already a war crime. These are three.
Terrorism is when armed ILLEGAL formations destroy PEACE citizens. Partisans acted in an absolutely legal field and did not destroy German women and children. These are four.
And you're gandon. Forever. It's five.

[Rapier]

You are absolutely ideological in your approach to the Patizan movement and you have no real idea of ​​what really happened. Eyewitnesses said that by the beginning of 42, disguised saboteurs from the NKVD carried out intimidation actions in order to drive the population into the woods. At least for example, the order of Stalin, to create 200 km. the scorched zone on the near approaches to Moscow. Then it was successfully hanged on the Germans. Z. Ksmodemyanskaya is an example of this, local residents caught firefighters and surrendered them to the Germans. The same can be attributed to the Shot Poles, although in Russia the Pole is not up to the people and they deserve it.
I have always said that any war is a massive crime. In the USA, for example, approx. 5 million Vietnamese + Indians + Iraqis + Afghans, the British have millions of Indians and other nationalities around the world, the French have millions of Vietnamese + Algerians and other Afrikans, the Germans have a millionth sin in Russia, the Russians have a million Afghans and millions of their own people and further on the list.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Rapier

Russians have a million Afghans

Oh come on, lie. There weren’t massacred massively, they didn’t spray orange.
maybe someone accidentally fell under the distribution, but not a million. Otherwise, the Hague tribunal would have long been aroused by genocide

[sarmat-4791]

rapier - you didn’t go there on a visit

[carbofo]

Quote: Rapier

Rapier

Comrades, he is insane, call the orderlies.

[uyrii67]

Now many "eyewitnesses" have appeared, and you call the evidence from this book a fantasy, although there are names and surnames. One of the "subhumans" Rokossovsky. you really want to become white and fluffy, but gas vans, crematoria, cyclone-b, gypsies, Jews, and other "feats" interfere.

[Vladimir73]

Why ideological approach! At 42. the Germans themselves actively promoted this fiction, since the behavior of the occupiers itself forced the more active population to start fighting. It is a fact! Please do not confuse the phrase "... the earth should burn under the feet of the invaders ..." and the scorched zones (they were left by the Nazi troops when retreating on the orders of Hitler).
And about the war - I agree! Those who provoke and unleash it are war criminals. It is grief, tears, pain of the civilian population that simply works and suffers in the first place at the outbreak of hostilities.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Rapier

Now it’s called terrorism.

Native, terrorism is a war with the civilian population, if you really want to fight. Most of the partisans fought with the invaders. And what should they watch as their property is confiscated? Some killed traitors. Quickly, you got brainwashed there

Quote: Rapier

The whole severity of their crimes was carried by civilians, i.e. civilians not involved in sabotage

Those Germans are unable to cope with the partisans, the Germans shot the civilian population. And do you think this is buzzing? Are the concentration camps also somehow connected with the partisans?

[Alew]

Quote: Rapier

I do not need to be called, I only live and work here.

for the money of the State Department against you and your country

[carbofo]

Quote: Rapier

Back in the 60s, I realized what a criminal country the USSR was

Ha, this uh ... and x with him, in general, if in the 60s he began to show insanity, he is now afraid to think how old he is!

[catapractic]

I don’t know where you live and work, live even in Zanzibar in the 60s of the last century, there was no Stalin anymore, but you already had insanity. And my dear Germanophile, stick your flag in ...

[catapractic]

sadists are your compatriots

[Dimkapvo]

would you go from here to live and work far away ..

[carbofo]

Quote: DimkaPVO

would you go from here to live and work far away ..

Why, let him sit there, the first in the rays of radiation from a nuclear explosion will die if you are lucky.
Or who thinks that our nuclear warheads will not iron the missile defense system, and the countries on which it is located!

[klavyr]

I do not need to be called, I only live and work here.

“To kick you out of here, you bastard!”

[Bezarius]

Well, enlighten us, ignorant savages, O great and enlightened one.

[i.xxx-1971]

And nobody calls you a call

[Misantrop]

Quote: Rapier

I have the opportunity to study the history of 2 MB from both sides, I heard the tales of the participants in the war and those who were under occupation.

And what about when German soldiers in Yalta opened fire on machine guns at 4-5 year old children just because the sledges on which they rolled down the hill (having robbed the children) turned over? Among these children, my mother still remembers how bullets whistled overhead ...
This is, of course, very democratic, why the German soldiers slipped bad sleds, obviously partisans ...

[sarmat-4791]

I explain to those who bought tickets for an armored train! An article about A. Dyukov's book "What Soviet People Fought For" is discussed here. What does Zemlyachka have to do with it? What does the Aktobe camps have to do with it? What do the French and Yankees have to do with Vietnam, etc. What is the habit of lumping everything together so as not to get to the truth? Or do you think that children are in the book LUT?

[carbofo]

We only know that you do not have what people call the brain.
It is a fact.

Quote: Rapier

who still rejected the real crimes of the Germans in the occupied territories! Now the story is blurry with a sick imagination!

What could be more real than children's corpses with bullet wounds, no one can challenge their voices.

[Paul]

Rapier - two points to you

extremist terrorist - against legitimate authority
partisan - a man fighting the invaders with all available means

everything in the war was:
1. The German saved my father and uncle from the policeman when he wanted to shoot them
2. shot another neighbor for a chicken
3. the grandfather of his wife in the early days of the war was driven into slavery in Germany and there was livestock

but about what our troops did there, so we weren’t the first to come to them !!!

[Rapier]

You know, there are many of those who were "driven away for slave labor" and remained — these are Russians, Ukrainians and others, but who knew what a Soviets were and were hiding in the forests, in cellars, etc., so long as they were not given out to the Sov. commendation. In a few weeks they were already free people.
They told me that they lived in barracks, separately prisoners of war, separately civilians. They all worked and received a salary, had social services. insurance, from the salary paid for grub, etc. And interestingly, they sent packages to Ukraine, for example. I do not say that it was paradise, no it was a difficult time, but it was far from the case as some fountains describe in their verbiage!

[MVS]

Quote: Rapier

You know, there are many of those who were "driven away for slave labor" and remained — these are Russians, Ukrainians and others, but who knew what a Soviets were and were hiding in the forests, in cellars, etc., so long as they were not given out to the Sov. commendation. In a few weeks they were already free people.
They told me that they lived in barracks, separately prisoners of war, separately civilians. They all worked and received a salary, had social services. insurance, from the salary paid for grub, etc. And interestingly, they sent packages to Ukraine, for example. I do not say that it was paradise, no it was a difficult time, but it was far from the case as some fountains describe in their verbiage!

Evidence in the studio!

[revnagan]

Quote: Rapier

I do not say that it was paradise, no it was a difficult time, but it was far from the case as some fountains describe in their verbiage!

Fontazer is you. For I haven’t seen such a fountain of verbiage for a long time. I had a late grandmother at work in Germany. Who should I believe you, idealizing Nazism, or her?

[catapractic]

such need to be neutered so that they do not multiply

[carbofo]

Quote: Rapier

I do not say that it was paradise, no it was a difficult time, but it was far from the case as some fountains describe in their verbiage!

It was different, but the ratio of civilian casualties gives us every reason to demand an answer on accounts.
It seems surprising that the population of Germany was not cut to the root, mercy is our strength and curse at the same time, we are not killers and never were, which distinguishes us from Europeans in the bud.
Moreover, we are more than anyone ready to kill anyone who comes to us with a sword, so eat your flag and drink it with beer, nothing threatens you.

[carbofo]

Quote: Rapier

You know, there are many of those who were "driven away for slave labor" and remained — these are Russians, Ukrainians and others, but who knew what a Soviets were and were hiding in the forests, in cellars, etc., so long as they were not given out to the Sov. commendation. In a few weeks they were already free people.

Read. ignoramus.
http://www.rusproject.org/pages/history/history_10/za_chto_srazhalis_sovetskie_l
udi_dukov.pdf

[carbofo]

They push mom into the car and get in themselves.
... After many years, I found out that my mother's eyes were poked out and her hair was pulled out,
cut off the chest. Little Galia, who hid under a Christmas tree, was let in.
shepherd dog. Those brought her piece by piece. Mom was still alive, mom understood everything ...
In front of her eyes ... "
Valya Zmitrovich, 11 years old

We searched, our old men were gone. Seen how
the family got into the boat — husband, wife and two children, when the boat was turned over, adults
immediately sank, and the children all surfaced. The Nazis, laughing, beat them with oars.
They hit in one place, they pop up in another, catch up and beat again. And they
not drowned like balls. "
Valya Yurkevich, 7 years

[catapractic]

how many you see so many kill -I. Erenburg. Ready to subscribe

[catapractic]

so you live like that ...

[Same lech]

I do not say that it was paradise, no it was a difficult time, but it was far from the case as some fountains describe in their verbiage!

WORD accomplices of Nazism.

[Bezarius]

Dreamers? Unfortunately, those who saw with their own eyes the atrocities that you committed during the war are still alive. Those who later raised our homeland from the ruins and those who lived under the USSR.

[Misantrop]

By the way, the occupying German authorities in Simferopol restored the tram traffic. But instead of an electric motor, tramcars were dragging ... prisoners of war. Historical fact however

[carbofo]

I don’t even know how to rejoice or how?
The Baltic states brought a machine gun to kindergarten and told how he shot Ivanov in a fascist form. Fact.
Celebrations in honor of the SS division. fact.
About 16 schoolgirls died in the fire of a burning school, because they did not wear sharia-appropriate shawls and were not allowed to leave school.
A mother and 2 older daughters are taken away from the mother, and, based on the care of the children, they say they should slap a nezya in the ass. Fact.
I can give examples endlessly and endlessly, but damn the Nazis neyashki, tram allowed! ECA fact.
Sorry I could not resist.

[catapractic]

Yes, even a photo is

[They <b>accompany you</b>]

read this

I liked it very much
who will explain to me why she is not the Minister of Foreign Affairs
link http://www.rulit.net/author/narochnickaya-nataliya

[anip]

Quote: wei

who will explain to me why she is not the Minister of Foreign Affairs

That is why it is not the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

[anip]

But I wonder what two pa.d.d.laid the article? What is their disagreement?

[air wolf]

To prevent this from happening again, we all need to serve in the army, introduce the NVP in schools, make good weapons and finally restore order in the country, arm the people, all healthy men should have ammunition and weapons in a safe, and not in warehouses, and then the Chinese will come after us or others will not climb. And remember in modern wars they do not take prisoners, only destruction. They will leave a couple of million slaves.

[Rapier]

I agree with you in part and conclusions arise;
1. No one would have dared to interfere with the USSR at that time if there had been a normal regime. About 1,5 million people ended up in German uniforms and dozens of militias. Simatizing is a real indicator of sympathy for owls. regime. With such resources and such a population as in the USSR, there was no real enemy of that time in Europe. Today we know the real balance of forces and capabilities of the parties, which suggests the conclusion that with its internal terror the Soviet regime itself provoked an invasion from outside.
2. And most importantly, for 41 years, only that regime was able to mobilize human and material resources! If there were a Russian person in power, he would not have made such sacrifices!
Today no one will fight for you! Ukraine, Asians, Caucasus, Tatars, Bashkirs - you can forget. Maybe only Belarusians, maybe?
3. No need to show off! The fate of a country is a complex thing and can turn backwards if you don’t really start working!
Advice from an elder: study history without emotion and draw the right conclusions. You don't have that much choice. If you butt heads with the EU, you will lose more, if not the most important thing!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Rapier

then, with its internal terror, the Sovdepov regime itself provoked an invasion from outside.

Bravo to you. What did England and France provoke? Czechoslovakia and Poland?

[ekzorsist]

I'm also quite old... and the USSR is the country in which I lived most of my life...
But what you write about the EU is complete nonsense! If you follow the lead of this cheap crowd - certain death!
Look at Germany - the dominance of the Turks and sorry - blue and pink of all varieties, but where are the Germans?
But no, even the Kazakhs are now purebred Germans!
And are you trying to teach something?
As such, capitalism has long shown its “kind little face” with a pig’s snout!
And socialism and Soviet power are the only real alternative to all this scum!

[PValery53]

Hey, you, older, but “younger in mind”! From a “position of respectability” it is not at all difficult to broadcast inexpensive truths. If the EU butts heads with Russia, it will lose everything! - Do you understand, “agent of influence” from abroad?!.. - and don’t turn everything upside down! - And start working with your brains, and not anyhow, when you talk about such matters. Now, in the event of a mess, retribution will not have to wait 2-3 years, but will arrive instantly!

[Andranik]

Why are you talking bullshit. No one justifies tyrants, no matter Stalin or Hitler. Absolute evil called fascism is condemned here. Twice at the beginning of the 20th century the world was shaken because of Germany..... Advice from a normal person - Study history, and not the bullshit that they feed you there in Europe! By the way, in the Middle Ages, Europeans learned from the Arabs (Moors) to wash themselves.

[carbofo]

Quote: Rapier

About 1,5 million people ended up in German uniforms and dozens of militias. simatizing

1-15% of gays and those who sympathize with them is normal in any country.
There were almost 200 million of us then, 0.75% of the population in enemy uniform, well, according to statistics it’s normal.

2-

Quote: Rapier

from which the conclusion suggests itself that with its internal terror the Sovdepov regime itself provoked an invasion from outside

How much do you understand what you are talking about?
Maybe you are a social worker for non-traditional people?, who for some reason likes this!.

3-

Quote: Rapier

And most importantly, for 41 years, only that regime was able to mobilize human and material resources! If there were a Russian person in power, he would not have made such sacrifices!

Well, tell this to those guys who, falling behind a unit of five, fired at the regiment, to that crew of cadets on a T28 tank who carried out the execution of peaceful fascists in Minsk, to those border guards who shot back to the last bullet and rushed into hand-to-hand combat with a grenade in their hand, to that guy at the farm For 2 hours, one shot at a column of tanks, firing 56 shells of 76 mm caliber.
There is no need to persecute a Russian by force and authority if he knows why it is necessary; it is better not to stand in his way.
As for Georgian, he is the best Georgian in the world.

Today no one will fight for you! Ukraine, Asians, Caucasus, Tatars, Bashkirs - you can forget. Maybe only Belarusians, maybe?

They will, they have no choice.

Quote: Rapier

If you butt heads with the EU, you will lose more, if not the most important thing!

LOL ha ha ha, with whom? who is this ? orderlies take me away...
You will cut yourself out sooner or later, or the Arabs will do it for you, it doesn’t matter to me.
As for butting heads with whom?? even if Sweden can barely survive a week.
Or maybe radioactive Poland and some other countries with missile defense systems that will be targets number 1 in any development of events.
Who can stop us if at your headquarters they are already shitting with bricks, like in the old, ahem, peaceful times. You live in animal fear, everyone, you are afraid, that’s why you are like this, fear makes an animal out of a person, an embittered little stupid animal.

[sarmat-4791]

Whoops, the rapier smuggler let it slip

[sarmat-4791]

“Study your bloody history from the beginning, and then compare your crimes with the crimes of others, the Germans, the British, the French, the Jews and the most important democrats, and you will understand (if you understand?) that your people are still villains.” - Rapier, you asked for it, let’s discuss atrocities?

[revnagan]

Quote: Rapier

the conclusion suggests itself that with its internal terror the Sovdepov regime itself provoked an invasion from outside.

Yeah, yeah: "It's your fault,
What do I want to eat ... "
I don’t remember which German military commander formulated this idea: “We would be glad not to draw the sword, but what to do if the victim does not want to voluntarily part with what we need.”

[valerei]

Rapier, you're right about a lot of things. However, it’s one thing when our life happens here, even with all the repressions and other abominations, and it’s a completely different thing when the fascists break in and start killing us. And why did everyone start trying to prove to Rapier that he was wrong? A waste of time. Just read Mein Kampf and everything will fall into place. I read this “work” with great difficulty: a very muddy book. But from there I understood the most important thing: Hitler did not assign a place to all of us inhabiting the USSR on our land. Hitler pathologically hated Russia in any guise. The war was initially conceived by him as a war to destroy the entire population of the USSR. Therefore, as soon as we understood this truth, we had no choice and therefore any sacrifices in the name of Victory became justified. The history of Rus' shows that in all the many hundreds of years, not a single foreign army came to bring “liberation” from anything. Everyone came only to rob and kill. Accordingly, any form of war was allowed against robbers and murderers, incl. and partisan.

[Snoop]

I wonder how you brought out tens of millions of Soviet citizens who sympathized with the Wehrmacht?
At the beginning of the Second World War, the ratio was actually not in favor of the USSR, look at the number of troops, the economy. Do you understand the difference between an army that has been mobilized, formed according to wartime standards and has been fighting for two years now, and an army that is at the stage of formation, equipped with new equipment and, according to peacetime, is based on peacetime standards?

[Bezarius]

Unrespected trash, please, do not use the Russian language, you are not worthy of it.

[v.lyamkin]

Two still gave the article a minus. I would like to listen to their arguments.

[carbofo]

Alekseev's associates may have arguments? made me laugh.
There is nothing to listen to there, just a shrill growl, neither on topic nor meaning.

[PValery53]

The Nuremberg Court was to be Moscow, and the number of judges from countries was proportional to the number of victims suffered. The number of accused is not tens or hundreds, but... hundreds of thousands from the aggressor countries; penalties - from 10 years for participants in the war against us (hundreds of thousands), - up to 20 years and capital punishment - for notorious scoundrels and villains of the Wehrmacht (thousands)! - Then this would be the real Kuzkina Mother to all adversaries!

[Alex66]

They came to kill us, they did it with pleasure - and therefore there can be no respect and admiration for the Nazis.

This is from the memoirs of a Leningrad siege survivor, a very precisely expressed idea of ​​how the Germans treated us (I’m not talking about the Nazis), maybe there were exceptions.

[soldier's grandson]

a rapier with rotten brains, it turns out that our grandfathers are to blame for this war, how did you finish the rapier even before such years and not die?

[Andranik]

Fascism is a multifaceted, multinational creature. Those who march through the streets with racist slogans...... must understand that they are imitating those who have long been cursed by God!!!!!!!!!!

[NKVD]

Strongly written. I should give it to all followers of Hitler, especially Western Ukrainians, to read it

[catapractic]

they don't read anything - they don't know how

[Andranik]

And not only them....

[carbofo]

http://www.rusproject.org/pages/history/history_10/za_chto_srazhalis_sovetskie_l
udi_dukov.pdf

[elenagromova]

Here, I found a book on FB2 - http://www.e-reading.biz/book.php?book=21754

It's very hard to read all this...

[rodevaan]

Quote: elenagromova

Here, I found a book on FB2 - http://www.e-reading.biz/book.php?book=21754

It's very hard to read all this...

- “I am from the village of fire” or “The Punishers” read A. Adamovich. Here are the real true stories of people who miraculously survived after they were attacked by sub-civilizers....

[Lesnik]

But what does fascism or communism have to do with it - a person cannot be such a beast, all these non-humans had mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, this is how they were raised!!!!!!!! Inhumans did not become inhumans themselves and not at one moment! I’m just surprised - why did the Germans as a nation, after everything they did (not some individual maniac), have a place to be and exist? Does the Western world call Russia wild? So who are they then?

[PValery53]

The center of moral strength is in Russia, not in Western Europe. And it’s time for us to understand this ourselves. Well, what are they trying to dictate to us? - Some cheap bullshit! - And should we listen to this?!.. - We must dictate our will to them, and fuck their claims!!.. - And not stand in front of them on our hind legs!! - They are “in our pocket”, but not vice versa!

[pamero]

Dogs' death for foreign dogs. The mere fact that Germany came to us with war gives us the right to kill, slaughter and account for the natives on their land, which is what our grandfathers did, thank them very much for saving us!

[Alekseir162]

No matter how many years pass, this cannot be forgotten. A lump comes to my throat, I WILL NOT FORGET, I WILL NOT FORGIVE!

[catapractic]

those who gave this article a minus are not people, but scum; their mothers should have their vaginas sewn up so that they don’t give birth to such scum and castrate them themselves.

[catapractic]

Such books need to be included in the school curriculum so that they remember and do not forget

[Kerch]

There is a similar book, I don’t remember the author (published during the USSR) - “We will never forget.”

[PValery53]

After the very first manifestations of genocide against the Soviet people, our “helmsman” had to “turn on reciprocity,” or, in other words, treat the “beast” with its own “medicine” - stop taking prisoners. And on the territory of Vaterland, always launch a “barrage of fire” in front of our troops. Then justice would come by itself...

[EdwardTich68]

But in Chechnya, did they treat the Russians differently? Personally, I have the feeling that the Chechens
went unpunished.

[mr_Akira]

if you think that something has changed, the flag is in your hands! The European colonialist slaughtered slaves and is still slaughtering them...

[Alarm clock]

My mother, all her life until her last day (she died in 2012), often repeated “... and why did they burn our hut” when talking about the war and the Germans. The house was built before the war, her parents all died, her father (my grandfather) at the front, her mother (my grandmother) from typhus, she was left alone at the age of 13 with four younger brothers and sisters. But she said: everything would have been fine if the Germans had not burned the house during the retreat.... Such a book should be on everyone’s table, otherwise history might repeat itself

[rodevaan]

- These are the super-subhumans.....
How many years have passed, and it seems that the Germans are no longer our de facto enemies, and with Germany we now have frankly strong and friendly relations, perhaps the best ones than with anyone in Western Europe. However, I was always interested in one question:
This is how the former “Reich soldier” who barely survived on the Eastern Front, who is now about 70-odd years old, and who was once an 90-year-old zombified boy, has felt throughout these 18 years, shouting “Heil!” He fled, along with all the same rabid masses, to the East, to rob and kill people completely unfamiliar to him, who were not going to do anything bad to him.

How does the “man” feel now, who shot civilians in villages, buried alive captured Red Army soldiers, robbed, raped, burned houses... Many of those under-civilized savages from the West kept diaries in which they carefully wrote down their so-called “impressions”, and their essence boiled down to one thing: “... Along the way we spoke to the population in the language of machine guns, we did not feel any compassion...”, Hitler’s bollard Emil Golts wrote his “travel notes”... And people like him, or even worse, there were hundreds of thousands. Whether this “writer” found a common language with the machine-gun fire fired by a Soviet soldier, and whether his skeletal remains lie somewhere in the Rzhev forests, unfortunately, I don’t know, I would like to believe that he did find it, - but several million of the same “scribes” safely returned home from Soviet captivity, and not a smaller bunch slipped away to South America. Okay, I understand, you left a fair trial, okay, I understand what propaganda is, and not shouting “Heil”, expressing dissent among that crowd was then unsafe, difficult and morally impossible for many, because the herd instinct is such a thing. .. But you can’t run away from yourself. Doesn't sharpen anything? But they say that the Germans are a very sentimental nation....Very.

But something I haven’t often seen in the press or in memoirs or in newspapers is that all these executioners somehow comprehended or repented of what they had done on our land - on the contrary - even to television cameras they repeat with downcast senile eyes - “We are only carried out the order!”, “We were victims of Hitler’s regime, they forced us!”, “We didn’t want to fight! Hitler is to blame for everything, he had all the power in his hands, he forced us to kill!” - and other, other “excuses”. That is, just like 10 years ago, like 20-30-40-50 years ago - again Hitler alone is to blame for everything. And they are the unfortunate "victims".... They are also victims now.

[rodevaan]

It somehow turns out strange - I can’t believe that Hitler would stand with a rack and Spanish boots over each of his “victims” - a Wehrmacht or Soviet executioner, and force him, under pain of wild torture, to bayonet a child, beat an old man to death with a butt, rape and kill a woman, round up villagers and burn them alive in barns... Was it really Hitler who constantly forced and urged the simple German son of a carpenter, clerk, postman or priest to do this? And is Hitler really to blame for the fact that some German subhuman took a baby from his mother and slammed his head against the stove so that he would not interfere with the mother’s going to work? After this, the mother went crazy (from the memoirs of attack pilot, hero of the Soviet Union A.A. Barsht). "Civilization", damn it! So it means Hitler is to blame? You need to idolize the kind and humane Stalin for not allowing the Red Army to do the same to you!

I’m just wondering: do they even sleep well 70 years after this? Do these elderly so-called “soldiers” who miraculously survived on the Eastern Front believe this by telling stories about Hitler? And I think, and I quote the answer to this below:

Quote: mr_Akira

if you think that something has changed, the flag is in your hands! The European colonialist slaughtered slaves and is still slaughtering them...

- Therefore, I personally am glad that sodomy and all kinds of LGBT things are gaining momentum in Geyropstan, because I believe that nothing happens for nothing. The bombing of Dresden and other German cities by the Allies, which is called “under the root”, also, as I understand it, was not just like that, but a well-deserved punishment - while all sorts of Frau and other inhabitants of the “Vaterland” were having fun with chocolates at the Christmas trees, and their dads were committing bestial genocide in Belarus, our people subsisted on rotten raw grain in the ashes and cold and lay down with bones at the machines from exhaustion... - in order to drive these dads back to their Western lair. Therefore, the raids of the Anglo-Saxons are only a tenth of the desert compensation for the horror that the German hordes of non-humans brought to our land. I can say the same about the bombing of Hiroshima. Because what the Japanese beasts did in China - even the Fritsoids were not smart enough for that.

[Kostya pedestrian]

And most importantly, these were not godless savages from sultry Papua Guinea, eating their enemies, or pygmies from the St. Dodge Islands in the Indian Ocean, but educated and deeply spiritual people. Don't forget that all these killers grew up in spiritual Catholic Europe. Almost everyone was baptized. Many are Lutherans, like in Estonia and Latvia. Many of them wore both iron and pectoral crosses. The same Vatican was only 300-400 km from the death “camps,” and their saints, instead of taking a machine gun and shooting a fascist, voluntarily joined the camps. Some kind of arch-strategy that we don’t understand. or rather an anti-strategy, I would say.

Yes, I’m stepping on the same rake again. Now is the time to think about a helmet.

There is a Belarus film “Come and See”, where the commander of a partisan detachment directly speaks about the Nazis: “they are scaring us in order to turn us into ... We will not allow our people to be turned into animals.” It’s a pity that our people didn’t have a nuclear bomb back then.

[rodevaan]

Quote: Kostya pedestrian

And most importantly, these were not godless savages from sultry Papua Guinea, eating their enemies, or pygmies from the St. Dodge Islands in the Indian Ocean....

- The fact of the matter is that they behaved exactly the same! "Civilization" damn it! They knew how to make Messerschmitts and churn out tanks... When the Red Army entered enemy territory, they didn’t even do 100th of what these “soldiers” did to us! And in Berlin they fed them, the cats, with porridge from their own camp pots, although their own relatives and friends were dying of hunger in the ashes left by these super-sub-humans.

SO THE ASK IS: WHO IS THE MOST CIVILIZED ONE HERE?

Civilization does not mean having all sorts of Messerschmitts, Tigers, Pentiums, iPhones and drones!
This is the internal education of a person and the ABILITY TO REMAIN HUMAN IN ANY SITUATION, AND NOT TURN INTO A WILD BEAST!

[rubin6286]

With all due respect to the author of the book, I will not take it into my home library, although everything written in it from the words of eyewitnesses and supplemented by the authors of the comments is the unconditional and terrible truth. More books have been written about the past war in our country at different times than in any other country in the world; it is not necessary and not worthwhile to make money from people’s memories, much less incite hatred by calling for such a book to be in every family. I was in Germany and met people of different ages. Their stories about the war are no less horror and pain. The appearance of such books in German families will not lead our peoples to anything good.
What did the Soviet people fight for - for the honor, freedom and independence of our Motherland, for the right to live, work, raise bread, and raise children freely. They believed in Stalin, Lenin’s party, did not submit to the enemy, won at the cost of millions of victims, raised the country from ruins, turning it into a world nuclear missile power, a war with which will invariably lead to the death of any conqueror.
Russia, historically, is doomed to be strong and will always be so. It is much more important that she be smart: smart people were at the helm of power, in science, culture, in production, in the city and in the countryside. Then, year after year, we will live better, richer, calmer, more confident. Unfortunately, this has not happened for more than 20 years. Confusion in souls, hearts and deeds. So during this period, not historically truthful ones appear, but “nearly truthful” ones, i.e. “commercial” books, films, monuments, television series, show programs, etc. and so on. The war must be remembered, but its horrors must not be savored.

[ImPerts]

Quote: valerei

revnagan, My father only once said that when he was following the road to East Prussia as part of his artillery convoy, the head tank that overtook them crashed into the tail of the German refugee convoy and managed to wind them on tracks about 100 meters, until they understood and began to run away. Probably our tanker also saw something similar and more than once. What happened to that tanker? Who knows.

.....
What is this for? Valerei, what did you mean by this?

[Ivanovich47]

Reminder article for the younger generation of Russia what a monstrous ordeal the Russian people had to endure. Young people, don’t forget how we suffered!

[rodevaan]

Quote: Rapier

I agree with you in part and conclusions arise;
1. No one would have dared to interfere with the USSR at that time if there had been a normal regime. About 1,5 million people ended up in German uniforms and dozens of militias. Simatizing is a real indicator of sympathy for owls. regime. With such resources and such a population as in the USSR, there was no real enemy of that time in Europe. Today we know the real balance of forces and capabilities of the parties, which suggests the conclusion that with its internal terror the Soviet regime itself provoked an invasion from outside.
2. And most importantly, for 41 years, only that regime was able to mobilize human and material resources! If there were a Russian person in power, he would not have made such sacrifices!
Today no one will fight for you! Ukraine, Asians, Caucasus, Tatars, Bashkirs - you can forget. Maybe only Belarusians, maybe?
3. No need to show off! The fate of a country is a complex thing and can turn backwards if you don’t really start working!
Advice from an elder: study history without emotion and draw the right conclusions. You don't have that much choice. If you butt heads with the EU, you will lose more, if not the most important thing!

“It’s useless to prove anything to zombified fools.” For even during the war, when patriotism was far from being an empty sound, as it is now, there were many policemen and pro-fascist lackeys. What can we say about the present time?
Read history - I’m sure that if some Western-like scum comes here again now, to establish a “dermocracy” here or something else, a lot of people will sit in the trenches.
Of course, even more of the stupid single-celled crowd will run to capture the scraps, but those who take rifles will stop any foreign trash! There will be enough strength and resources.
This is how it was, is and will always be as long as the great Russian people and country live.

[Same lech]

these are ordinary German Soldaten (the photo is not a fake, as some German lovers like to claim).
Such killings became commonplace for the Germans at that time.
Therefore, when they tell me about the peacefulness of Western civilizers, I am very willing to show how they promote Western values.

[Fuzeler]

I read this book (found it online, with photos). In general, some things should not be forgotten.

[Hort]

read the book. What can I say? Of course, it doesn’t cause burning hatred, because... so many years have passed, and reading about it is not the same as SEEING. But what is definitely even more firmly entrenched in my head is that if suddenly the West again “decides” to start a war with us, my platoon will not take prisoners. For the simple reason that Europeans have this medieval cruelty at the genetic level, and Hitler dressed the old content in a new form of National Socialism and racism. In essence, the Germans (and others who were part of their armies) used ancient methods of medieval terror, known since the times of the European Hundred and Thirty Years' Wars, when trees along the roads turned into one continuous gallows and in the same way entire areas were devastated.
And given the fact that this genetic cruelty was supplemented by degeneration in the form of pederasty and other perversions, God forbid they (Western people) or whoever they believe in try to fight with us again...

z.y. But it’s still in vain that our authorities ban books like Mein Kampf. I believe that people should know WHAT our grandfathers faced, what kind of ideology it was and at what cost we got victory in this Great War.
It would be nice to introduce the study of the works of the leaders of Nazi Germany in universities/institutes as part of the history course, and then MANDATORY reading of the book by A. Dyukov and others like it. So that young people KNOW, THINK and UNDERSTAND

[rodevaan]

Quote: soldier's grandson

let those who still believe that "It would be better if we lost and now everyone would drive Audis and Mercs"It seems to me that children of that time tell the best stories about the horrors of war; it’s scary to read and you can’t read it without tears

- They would drive Mercs and Audis.... They would drive... - from stove to stove in wheelbarrows in the form of skeletons covered in leather...
Rasian morons....

[Lesnik]

Rapier's people are insane! Why are you arguing with him? It's useless! Because for a tolerant there is one “correct” opinion, namely his! And no facts and evidence that contradict his “correct” vision of the world are taken into account!!!!! There is a medical definition for this - “schizophrenia”! By the way, I've already seen this on this site

[PValery53]

Rapier - alien, - "klyzmoid"...

[SS68SS]

It's a good idea to translate this book into German and English..... So that their children read and think about what kind of beasts their ancestors were.....

[Oreseestine]

A clean fast is better than a dirty breakfast. Quiseefruits

[PValery53]

“Feeding” the aggressor with his own measures of influence and one step higher should become the law of the Russian Federation. What did they want to count on?!..- Try to object!..

[komissar]

Westerners (especially Germans) are constantly in fear of punishment, constantly afraid of their neighbors, afraid of the police, authorities, afraid to openly show their nature. And then the “Fuhrer” freed them from the “chimera of conscience” and the small, downtrodden man in the street instantly turned into a monster, intoxicated with impunity, who begins to do everything, even what goes beyond the limits of the human mind. And only when he receives a “snot” in response, only then does he again turn into an exemplary citizen. Therefore, gentlemen, do not be deceived by German culture, ethics and aesthetics. In the souls of most exemplary burghers there lurks a "lawless man"

[PValery53]

Any “lawless” person should be “outside the law”, and then “everyone will feel good”...

[ImPerts]

It must be translated into various languages, good printing (preferably in those countries where it will be distributed /typesetters and proofreaders also read/). This requires the support of the Ministry of Culture, as well as for the creation of Fedi B-m. It should be distributed to everyone who comes to the Russian embassy or to exhibitions organized with the participation of the state (this is how the “Gulag Archipelago” was distributed and popularized in the West). And in 10-20 years, qualify for the Nobel Prize.

[Effittygots]

Greetings to all! Have any of you watched the TV series Spartacus? Super movie! If anyone has seen it, tell us your impression of the movie.

[Hort]

wrong branch?

[Analyst]

Quote: hort

wrong branch?

It looks like there were two like him.
Otherwise, who could downvote such an article.

[catapractic]

I got a little confused, chill out, darling

[Anubis Gorynych]

I just signed the petition “Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation: Ban the distribution of the film “Stalingrad” by F. Bondarchuk on the territory of the Russian Federation; ban the distribution of this film abroad, withdraw the application for the Oscar.” on Change.org.

I consider this important because I respect and remember my ancestors and my homeland. Will you sign? Here is the link: http://www.change.org/ru/petitions/ministry-of-culture..

[catapractic]

There are a lot of such threshing floor films (Burnt by the Sun2, the last armored... soldier, penal battalion...) there is not enough paper for a petition

[Anubis Gorynych]

I just signed the petition “Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation: Ban the distribution of the film “Stalingrad” by F. Bondarchuk on the territory of the Russian Federation; ban the distribution of this film abroad, withdraw the application for the Oscar.” on Change.org.

I consider this important because I respect and remember my ancestors and my homeland. Will you sign? Here is the link: http://www.change.org/ru/petitions/ministry-of-culture..

[pogis]

The commander of some SS division (I don’t remember which one) told his subordinates in the summer of 41 “.. NOT A SINGLE PERSON SHOULD STAY HERE, AND WHEN THE FURER PASSES THROUGH THIS TERRITORY, HE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE PASSED HERE (in the original, the name of the division) !

[pogis]

Quote: Anubis Gorynych

I just signed the petition “Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation: Ban the distribution of the film “Stalingrad” by F. Bondarchuk on the territory of the Russian Federation; ban the distribution of this film abroad, withdraw the application for the Oscar.” on Change.org.

I consider this important because I respect and remember my ancestors and my homeland. Will you sign? Here is the link: http://www.change.org/ru/petitions/ministry-of-culture..

First we'll watch the movie. Then I'll make a decision!

[catapractic]

Well, I looked and what?

[pogis]

I watched it! I really liked it! And where was the feat of our people belittled?

[pogis]

Quote: pogis

The commander of some SS division (I don’t remember which one) told his subordinates in the summer of 41 “.. NOT A SINGLE PERSON SHOULD STAY HERE, AND WHEN THE FURER PASSES THROUGH THIS TERRITORY, HE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE PASSED HERE (in the original, the name of the division) !

The name of the division is "
Adolf
Hitler
»

[pogis]

Quote: cataphractium

Well, I looked and what?

Haven't looked yet.

[ImPerts]

Damn..., tolerance is tolerance...
http://www.siapress.ru/blogs/27306