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The myth of the "father of Russian democracy" Andrei Sakharov

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People who had a hand in the collapse of the Soviet Union did literally everything so that in the mass consciousness Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov became almost an icon of Russian democracy, the most popular moral authority among the public in the USSR and the Russian Federation. An image of a genius martyr who fought against the Soviet totalitarian system was created. However, as the illusions about “democracy”, “freedom” and “market” began to disperse, and tens of millions of people realized that they were simply deceived, depriving security and order, national wealth, free medicine and education, it became obvious that Andrei Sakharov, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize and one of the founders of the hydrogen bomb, was just one of dozens of destroyers of the Soviet Union. We see similar figures even now, when they propose to dismember the Russian Federation already, to take the Arctic, Siberia, Baikal, etc. away from the Russians. Only their scale is much smaller, they are not so popular. In all epochs, such people were considered traitors and enemies of the people. Only in times of turmoil and general collapse, treachery they were called "heroes."

Its popularity is connected with the most powerful propaganda campaign. Both inside the USSR and in the West everything was done to create the image of a genius-scientist, a defender of “universal human values”. In fact, most of the ideas of Academician Sakharov on the arrangement of the country spoke, if not of mental disorder, then of frank betrayal for sure. Initially, Sakharov was neither a human rights activist nor a pacifist. 12 August 1953, the successful tests of a thermonuclear bomb - the latest Soviet weapons terrible destructive power. One of its developers was recently received the degree of doctor of physical and mathematical sciences Andrei Sakharov. And October 23 1953 Sakharov, having passed the level of a corresponding member, was immediately elected a full member of the Soviet Academy of Sciences.

It was then that Sakharov proposed to equip the giant torpedoes with 100-megatons charges developed nuclear submarines 627 project. Thus, thermonuclear charges could be delivered to the shores of the United States. According to the plan of the young scientist, these "super-torpedoes" blown up off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of America should have caused irreparable damage to the Americans. The explosions of thermonuclear charges could cause huge tsunamis, with a wave height of tens of meters. The "killer waves" were supposed to wash away dozens of cities and settlements, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. According to Academician Igor Ostretsov, Sakharov painted a picture when a giant wave of the Atlantic side hit New York, Philadelphia, Washington, other waves would cover the west coast in the Charleston, San Francisco and Los Angeles areas, wash away on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico Houston, New Orleans and Pensacola in Florida.

During the design development, the super-torpedo received the T-15 cipher. The Soviet Navy leadership opposed this “cannibalistic” weapon. Rear Admiral PF Fomin, with whom Sakharov was discussing this project, was simply shocked by the “bloodthirstiness” of the project, and said that sailors were used to fighting an armed opponent in an honest, open battle, and “the idea of ​​such mass murder. " The combat admiral knew the full horror of the war, many lives were cut short before his eyes, so he denounced the massacre of innocent people. Cabinet as a scientist, not smelled gunpowder, no doubt was prepared to inflict mass slaughter of any innocent people.

Peter Fomich Fomin, a participant in the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars, since 1949 led the new atomic department (6th division) under the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy. The department solved the tasks of protecting objects fleet from enemy nuclear weapons and the development of atomic weapons for the USSR fleet. Since 1953, the 6th department under the leadership of Fomin participated in the design of the first Soviet atomic submarine. Since 1954, Rear Admiral Fomin exercised general leadership over all work on facility 627.

Originally, the T-15 supertorpedo entered both the draft design (1953 year) and the technical design 627 (1954 year). According to the project, the torpedo was a meter long 23,55, weighed 40 tons and had a caliber 1550 mm. However, the leadership of the USSR Navy continued to resist this project and, in 1955, the submarine technical design was adjusted: the submarine armed 8 with torpedo tubes with 20 torpedoes, their 6 torpedoes had tactical nuclear charges of 15 kilotons. Work on the torpedo T-15 was stopped.

Gradually, the scientist went to the other extreme, and at the end of 1960-ies Sakharov was one of the leaders of the human rights movement in the Soviet Union. Moreover, his movement to world-wide fame was accompanied by a number of disgusting antics, for which he could be safely sentenced as a traitor or an ordinary petty hooligan. So, from the KGB reports about Andrei Sakharov, it is known that in April 1976, the academician and his wife Bonner (second wife from 1972 of the year) committed hooligan actions in the Omsk Regional Court. When the police called them to order, Sakharov, shouting: “Here you are, puppies, from an academician,” struck two police officers and insulted them. Bonner slapped the face of the court commandant, who tried to calm them down. In August, 1976, a couple of “human rights activists” committed malicious hooliganism at the Irkutsk airport. When the airport staff tried to reason with them, they began to insult them, using foul language and threaten them. In October 1977, Sakharov hooligans in the rector of the Moscow Pedagogical Institute named after VI Lenin, insulting officials. In March and May 1978, Sakharov committed hooligan offenses near the building of the Union of Soviet Societies for Friendship and Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries and at the Lyublinsky District People’s Court of Moscow (again he hit a police officer).

The behavior of Sakharov and Bonner are typical for modern radical liberals, “human rights activists” who fight the “regime” by committing various kinds of hooligan actions typical of petty criminals. This is not surprising, given their unstable psyche. Thus, in the same KGB documents, Sakharov’s mental state deteriorates, that the behavior of the “academician” does not fit the generally accepted norms, Sakharov is strongly influenced by others, especially his wife (she was suspected of having links with the CIA). The behavior of the academician is clearly contrary to common sense. Signs of instability in the mental state of Sakharov were traced in the moods of A. Sakharov, subject to abrupt transitions from detachment and isolation to efficiency and sociability. The 26 document of August 1980 noted that, according to major Soviet psychiatrists, Sakharov has profound mental changes, which give reason to consider him "a pathological personality, often found in families with great schizophrenia" (his brother and daughter were registered as sick schizophrenia, and the son was treated for neurasthenia). Many noted megalomania, which is increased in proportion to the efforts of the Western structures for advertising of it as a "world champion of civil rights."



Moreover, Sakharov entered as the real enemy of the people when he began to voice “great plans” for the reorganization of Russia. The essence of all his plans was to destroy the USSR (Great Russia). At the first stage, Sakharov offered to dismember the state into small independent areas, and at the second stage, to put them under the control of the world government. A. Sakharov called this "a political expression of rapprochement with the West." The draft constitution drawn up by Sakharov proposed to declare full independence of all national-territorial republics and autonomous regions of the USSR, including Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Buryatia, Yakutia, Chukotka. Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District. Each republic had to have all the attributes of independence - the financial system (print their money), the armed forces, law enforcement agencies, etc. The remaining part of Russia seemed too large to the academician, so he proposed to divide it also into four parts. In addition, Sakharov proposed to divide the world community into a “clean” part (environmentally friendly, favorable for living), to export all “dirty”, harmful production to other regions. It is clear that the areas of the former USSR should have been the location of the "dirty" industries.

On the whole, this was already enough to send Sakharov to places not so remote. However, he was clearly led, both by Soviet and Western curators. They needed such a person who, having the weight of the “father of the hydrogen bomb” and the “academician,” the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, could handle the unsophisticated Soviet population in the right direction. The USSR was already approaching death, a significant part of the Soviet elite was working to destroy it, dreaming of a "bourgeois" life with yachts, toilet bowls and striptease. Therefore, people like Sakharov were worth their weight in gold. They broke a great power with their hands.

Brezhnev and other Soviet leaders of that era did not speak about the inevitability of confrontation between the two systems. They preferred not to conflict, but to conduct economic cooperation with the West, falling into the trap of cultural cooperation and exchange of experience. Therefore, nothing threatened the large figures of the dissident movement. Preventive conversations were conducted with them, they chided, watched, restricted movement, nothing more. Although in fairness such people had to be isolated for a long time from the population or even apply the highest measure of social protection. "Persecution" were conditional, but the hype in the media, the world fame of their "domestic suffering" caused envy average Soviet citizens. In fact, such “repressions” only advertised dissidents, increased their price.

An important role in the degradation of Sakharov was played by his second spouse, Elena Georgievna Bonner. The first period of her life was not particularly different from the fate of thousands of other Soviet citizens. Her mother and stepfather fell under the roller of repression. But this did not prevent Bonner from successfully completing school, going to university, and joining the Komsomol. During the war, she was mobilized by a nurse. She was a medical officer of a military train, was seriously wounded and contused. After the war, Bonner entered the medical institute and successfully practiced as a pediatrician. She was awarded the title “Excellence in Public Health of the USSR”. However, at what point did the program crash. Next to Sakharov, Bonner was able to realize her ambitions, to become a world-known human rights defender from an ordinary pediatrician.



In 1975, the time for glory peaked for E. Bonner - she received the Nobel Peace Prize for her husband, as Sakharov was not released from the USSR. The woman, whose “kitchen thoughts” were interesting only to friends and neighbors, turned out to be on top of world fame. Bonner was well aware that the world community was expecting new exposures from the Soviet totalitarian regime from them and was ready to pay for it with fame and certain material joys. Sakharov was less aggressive toward the USSR than his wife, but he does not solve anything in the family, being the typical "henpecked". After the death of Sakharov, Bonner was an enemy of Russia: she welcomed the bloody execution of the Supreme Council in 1993, rejoiced at the successes of Chechen bandit groups during the two Chechen wars, and during the war 2008 supported the Saakashvili regime. Even at the very end of her life's journey, she poured poison on Putin, subscribing to the “Putin Must Leave” appeal to the citizens of Russia. Interestingly, the current Russian government is destroying the Academy of Sciences according to Bonner’s prescription. 22 March 2010, she wrote in a blog on Granyah.ru a note “On the Academy of Sciences”, in which she called for depriving the Russian Academy of Sciences of administrative and economic functions: “The Russian Academy of Sciences ... urgently needs to overclock ... money, houses, sanatoriums, hospitals, etc., etc. - transfer to the national balance. ... And the science of letting go in free swimming at institutes and universities. And this may be her resuscitation. ”

Unfortunately, in modern Russia, the authorities continue to honor "heroes" like Sakharov, Gorbachev and Yeltsin - instead of saying openly and clearly that these are enemies of the people. Russian Federation falls into the same conceptual impasse as the Russian Empire and later the Soviet Union, dooming themselves to defeat in the global confrontation with the West.
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  1. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 23 October 2013 08: 52 New
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    all right! He is not the enemy of the USSR, but of the whole Russian. Guess the nationality of Bonner? The same as that which proposed to divide Russia in the Urals!
    1. anip
      anip 23 October 2013 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Oberst_71
      Guess the nationality of Bonner?

      The same as that of Sakharov.
      1. PDM80
        PDM80 23 October 2013 11: 34 New
        13
        Joke: "Under interrogation by the NKVD
        - Last name?
        - Sugars
        - Surname !!!
        - Sakhorovich
        - The surname of the crap you everywhere !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        - Zugerman "
        wassat
      2. zennon
        zennon 23 October 2013 21: 37 New
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        The same as that of Sakharov.

        No, Sakharov has nothing Jewish. Boner, of course, but not Sakharov. Until the mid-60s, he did a lot for the country's defense. Then, as they zombified him ... As for the "super torpedo", Sakharov was involved in expert. And could not help but be attracted! He is the father of the hydrogen bomb. Of course, he made an expert assessment, but he was hardly the author. Why did such an idea appear at all? The country did not have delivery means, so they worked on literally everything. I repeat, he is an outstanding scientist with great merits, but then ... I have the impression that he just moved his mind.
        1. luka095
          luka095 23 October 2013 22: 38 New
          +7
          As for the torpedo, Sakharov was not an expert, but the initiator of the project. And about his "paternity" in the development of the hydrogen bomb - there was such a serviceman, later a student at the Physics Department of Moscow State University Lavrentiev (in the early 50s). The idea of ​​a "puff" was put forward by him. L. Beria played an important role in his fate, therefore, after the Khrushchev coup, Lavrentiev was pushed in ...
          1. zennon
            zennon 24 October 2013 00: 19 New
            +6
            The idea of ​​a "puff" was put forward by him

            That's it, puffs. And the puff did not pass. The power is obtained ten times less. In the end, we came to binary implosion. And this is Sakharov. Not one of course, but it was his ideas that were implemented by the team. And about:
            Regarding the torpedo, Sakharov was not an expert, but a project initiator.

            Where does infa come from?
            1. spravochnik
              spravochnik 25 October 2013 23: 22 New
              +3
              This is exactly Sakharov's idea. Because his other idea, similar to the one described, is also known. Sakharov suggested detonating a powerful thermonuclear charge in the upper Mississippi, which would cause a radioactive "tsunami" on the river (looking at the similarity of ideas), which will move downstream. To maintain it, Sakharov proposed pushing the wave with additional nuclear explosions behind the wave front.
          2. stolbovsn
            stolbovsn 29 October 2013 11: 09 New
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            Lavrentyev, at that time being an ordinary soldier serving in the Far East, proposed a key idea - the use of lithium deuteride irradiated with neutrons (this idea was then attributed to himself by Ginzburg) that made the bomb real and mobile (the version implemented in the USA was actually a stationary object the size of with house).
        2. Eugene
          Eugene 23 October 2013 23: 09 New
          +1
          Normally, people wrote. Why minus?
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 7 November 2013 10: 19 New
          0
          That's how even outstanding academics are sold for nothing
      3. EtickayaSila
        EtickayaSila 28 October 2013 09: 30 New
        -1
        The same as that of Alexander ISAKOVICH Solzhenitsyn. Another figure from the same clip. I recommend to anyone interested, read the book "Solzhenitsyn - the genius of the first spit" you will learn a lot of interesting things.
    2. Indigo
      Indigo 23 October 2013 09: 12 New
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      This is what fought, it was - bonaire, and the children - Yankelevich, that the wing was a dermocratic mat of judges and drove on the leash of a goat ... Sakharovich.
      And that the children from the first marriage of Sakharov REFUSED from the father (it was not 34-37)
      He (Sakharovich) was not a man, but a rag ...
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 23 October 2013 11: 25 New
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        In an interview, Dmitry Sakharov spoke about the execution of his father’s will:
        “The will was drawn up with the active participation of the stepmother. Therefore, it is not surprising that the right to dispose of the father’s literary inheritance went to Bonner, and in the event of her death, to her daughter Tatyana. A part of the cottage in Zhukovka went to me and my sisters. I will not mention the amount of money, but the proportion of stepmother's children was greater. Elena Georgievna sold the cottage herself and gave us cash. But in the most masterly way she acted with Berezovsky’s money! Two years ago, the Sakharov Museum in Moscow was on the verge of closure - there were no funds for its maintenance and salary to employees. Then the oligarch threw three million dollars from the shoulder of the master. Bonner immediately ordered that the money be sent to the Sakharov Fund's account in the United States, and not in Russia! Moreover, this foreign organization is actively engaged not so much in charity as in commerce. Now millions are spinning on accounts in the USA, and the father’s museum still eke out a miserable existence. What the Sakharov Foundation in Boston does is a big mystery to me. Occasionally, he reminds himself of his appearances in the Western press, some sluggish actions are held. Bonner herself takes care of the foundation.
        1. Alex
          Alex 15 January 2014 19: 58 New
          +1
          Two years ago, the Sakharov Museum in Moscow was on the verge of closure - there were no funds for its maintenance and salary to employees.
          the father’s museum is still leading a miserable existence.
          So praise be to the Almighty, maybe this cube will be bent at all.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 January 2014 21: 06 New
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            in Shrovetide the effigy of this bald
      2. Saburov
        Saburov 23 October 2013 22: 54 New
        +5
        Yes, everything is simpler, Sakharov, with greet characteristic of all semi-genius people, was just a humanist on the basis of idiocy and the most interesting thing was that he himself believed in it when he shouted about the criminal war in Afghanistan, since he hadn’t seen this war, yes and, in principle, even just fights, for him they were beyond understanding, he believed that this could be solved amicably, someone tried very hard to brainwash him, and even more so since he was a protected person, maybe this played a role in diluting the brain hydrogen, if our powerful men were smarter than and then they would bring him to Afghanistan and show what and how the Soviet people were fighting there, he would lose his opinion in an instant, and then he would go into his pants for another week, because you have to be a complete idiot to believe that war and many political decisions, can be solved without blood and amicably.
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 24 October 2013 01: 21 New
          -31 qualifying.
          And what did the USSR forget in Afghanistan? Is not a crime committed against the victims - a million Afghans and tens of thousands of dead soldiers of the CPSU?
          1. Denis
            Denis 24 October 2013 03: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Abra Kadabra
            And what did the USSR forget in Afghanistan?
            Maybe the same as the new homeland in Belarus
          2. POBEDA
            POBEDA 24 October 2013 08: 48 New
            13
            The USSR in Afghanistan decided its own geopolitical interests so that the United States would not solve them there, as it is today.
          3. Horst78
            Horst78 24 October 2013 14: 34 New
            +7
            And what did the USSR forget in Afghanistan?
            And what did the Bundeswehr there forget now? Ahh, probably beer for military exits drinks
          4. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 26 October 2013 14: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: Abra Kadabra

            what did the USSR forget in Afghanistan?

            but let's not suffer garbage, Afghanistan had a land border with the Union, but what did the Pindocs forget? !!!

            p / s / administration for the sake of all saints well you adjust your fucking robot Pindoca what is your bad word? !!!! every time you have to get out at the expense of the Latin alphabetam
          5. Old bear
            Old bear 29 October 2013 06: 42 New
            -1
            you about the presence in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and about the millions of victims of the local population of your deeply licked state v. America explain No.
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 23 October 2013 10: 35 New
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      Sakharov proposed to divide the power into small independent regions, and on the second - to put them under the control of the world government. (from article)


      The flaw of the KGB and the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee is that these "proposals" of Sakharov did not give wide publicity. Sakharov's "democratic" bubble of the moment would have blown away in the eyes of the people.
      The habit of hiding information that was superfluous by their standards from the people led to the opposite - the incredible popularity of Sakharov in most of the people.
      Exactly the same situation was with another "democrat", and in fact an enemy of the people and the USSR, Solzhenitsyn.
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 23 October 2013 13: 57 New
        +5
        Well, part of the KGB was also not particularly opposed to join Europe, Andropov and his comrades, for example.
        1. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 23 October 2013 16: 29 New
          +5
          If there were Andropov, there would be no Gorbach.
          1. George Siberia
            George Siberia 23 October 2013 17: 28 New
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            Andropov was the main henchman of the world behind the scenes .. His story is very dark .. By nationality - 100% Jewish, objectively worked for the enemy .. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and other traitors from the Communist Party, advanced up to the top during the reign of Andropov .. and this is no coincidence ..
          2. Ded_smerch
            Ded_smerch 23 October 2013 17: 52 New
            0
            Do you teach the history of the homeland?
          3. alone
            alone 23 October 2013 23: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: shtanko.49
            If there were Andropov, there would be no Gorbach.


            if the grandmother would have something, they would call grandpa))
          4. Denis
            Denis 24 October 2013 03: 08 New
            +4
            Quote: shtanko.49
            If there were Andropov, there would be no Gorbach.
            But nothing that he dragged him?
            I even imagined it as my replacement
      2. Vadim2013
        Vadim2013 23 October 2013 20: 54 New
        0
        I saw the draft constitution Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov on sale in 1990 and bought it. Now I tried to find it among my books and have not yet found it.
        1. Ded_smerch
          Ded_smerch 25 October 2013 07: 22 New
          +2
          on the internet there. I read and honestly stunned by such a blizzard.
    4. 225chay
      225chay 23 October 2013 11: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Oberst_71
      Guess the nationality of Bonner?

      Dad at Elena Bonner (Lusik Alikhanova) was Gevork Alikhanian))
      And mom))
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 October 2013 11: 26 New
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      Quote: Oberst_71
      all right! He is not the enemy of the USSR, but of the whole Russian. Guess the nationality of Bonner? The same as that which proposed to divide Russia in the Urals!


      The mob and cause genuine contempt of the intellectual. Because he does not respect the intellectual and puts him sticks in the wheel. And if the mob listened to the advice of the intelligentsia, everyone would have healed humanly. Because the handshake intellectual understands that three hundred varieties of sausages are important, and not three hundred atomic warheads that threaten the peace of the world and endanger the tear of a child. But the tear of a child is more important than all wars on earth. The Evil Empire transferred all its resources to creating meaningless military toys, instead of building factories for the production of high-quality chewing gum and iPhones. Therefore, it collapsed into oblivion. And today's Russia will collapse there, if it does not stop in its madness and does not listen to the voices of the conscience of the nation and moral authorities. Only Gelfand, Katz, Schatz and Albats can show silly Ivan the path to a brighter future. Therefore, behind them is a great homespun truth. For your and our freedom. In the sky, Bonner, in the land of Haikin, in the water of the Sixth Fleet. In the studio "Rain" Tikhon Dzyadko, and in Jean-Jacques fashion lawyer Kolya Polozov. We are the power here. So win!

      Sincerely, Leo Sharansky.

      link

      Lev Natanovich Sharansky
      In real life, the famous Soviet dissident of the first wave of ka and Sakharov. On the network under this name, a LiveJournal blogger publishing posts under an assumed name, which is a collective image of the Russian opposition. It's obvious that blog created for trolling both liberals and those who support the Putin regime. The narrative style is rather humorous; there is a considerable amount of delirium and word-making.
      This is where the term came from. handshake intelligentsia
      1. timer
        timer 24 October 2013 00: 02 New
        +5
        Firstly, I put forward the slogan, TO RUSSIA TO RISE, WITH LIBERASTS AND DEMOCRACTS SHOULD BE END!
        Secondly. the current system of power is saturated with liberalism. the infection, supported by Putin's camarilla, is not able to either revive the country or destroy this infection.
        Thirdly, Sakharov and other Soviet-era dissidents look like broken dreamers. For the sake of crap and conspiracy, they stood in the camp of the enemies of the Russian nation and state.
        Fourthly, I want to appeal to those who fundamentally agree with my position — to start something more realistically apart from idle talk on the Internet, for a start, let's start to unite through correspondence. my mailbox [email protected]
        1. Abracadabra
          Abracadabra 24 October 2013 01: 25 New
          -13 qualifying.
          And what does the DPRK not like? For people like you, there is probably paradise ?! Not any liberal-shit-democratic people ... Not like in the decaying Eurpe! :))
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 24 October 2013 01: 31 New
            +8
            Quote: Abra Kadabra
            And what does the DPRK not like? For people like you, there is probably paradise ?! Not any liberal-shit-democratic people ... Not like in the decaying Eurpe! :))

            In my opinion, you girl, wandered to the wrong site.
            Sorry for the harshness. request
          2. Day 11
            Day 11 24 October 2013 01: 34 New
            +2
            Why didn’t the North Koreans please you?
          3. Ded_smerch
            Ded_smerch 25 October 2013 07: 24 New
            0
            Andrei, are you this? Where has he been hiding all this time?
      2. Denis
        Denis 24 October 2013 03: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        Lev Natanovich Sharansky
        There was such a Nathan (and?) Ransky, broadcasting on some of the "voices", not a relative?
    6. gsg955
      gsg955 23 October 2013 13: 15 New
      +3
      What can I say, rootless cosmopolitans.
    7. alone
      alone 23 October 2013 22: 19 New
      +3
      The myth of the "father of Russian democracy" Andrei Sakharov


      Ippolit Matveyevich was somehow sorry. found someone to compare with whom.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 23 October 2013 22: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        lonely (1) Today, 22: 19 ↑ New
        The myth of the "father of Russian democracy" Andrei Sakharov

        Ippolit Matveyevich was somehow sorry. found someone to compare with whom.





        00-14 laughing
    8. timer
      timer 24 October 2013 00: 12 New
      +3
      such as Bonner, Sakharov in our time have multiplied like cockroaches in the liberalistic media (echo of Moscow, for example, rain, etc.). The opposition doesn’t slurp its own, everything is trying to explain to us the "sirem" the truth. to be located.No caring "uncles" throw.
      If I had the opportunity, I would have probed them according to Stalin. The fifth column in MY COUNTRY is a cancerous tumor in a sick body. In order for the body to survive and recover, it is necessary to REMOVE this tumor! And the point.
  2. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 23 October 2013 09: 07 New
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    never understood people like sugar
    first makes a super bomb and receives from the government all the privileges that physicists relied on
    then the nuclear power suddenly started to scold the power that raised him
    where is the damn logic?
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 23 October 2013 09: 19 New
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      There is no logic here, insult ...
      Only the WEAK are offended, that's why their name is - "offended"))))

      But in general, Sakharov was not a "tribune", a mediocre person - he was promoted by the Jewish media ... and certainly not as the "father" of the hydrogen bomb - there was a team of scientists !!!!

      This is How Albats, Kokha, Kudrin, Kandelaki-Jewish gastrobeaters in the media space of the Russian Federation were made "heroes" and notable figures ...
      As Oblomov sings, "all the shit floated up" .....
      It (shit)) sales to the President - "sun" gets))))
      1. Katsin1
        Katsin1 23 October 2013 11: 05 New
        -21 qualifying.
        Yes, in addition to Sakharov, academicians Zeldovich and Khariton played an important role in creating the hydrogen bomb (guess who by nationality). I have a suggestion: as a manifestation of Mother Rus’s disgust for the Zhidomasons, abandon the thermonuclear weapons created by the Zhidomasons Zeldovich, Khariton and the traitor Sakharov. It will be honest and fair :-)
        1. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 23 October 2013 11: 26 New
          +7
          Lavrentiev made all the calculations!
        2. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 23 October 2013 11: 27 New
          +6
          And you conduct monitoring again. How are anti-Semitic sentiments?
          1. Katsin1
            Katsin1 23 October 2013 15: 18 New
            -12 qualifying.
            You will learn to write correctly in Russian for a start ... I would blame all the illiterate at once ... 3 errors - ban
            1. slas
              slas 23 October 2013 23: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Katsin1
              in Russian

              э
              This is you first learn and then you will be smart to learn our)))))))))))))
            2. aleshka
              aleshka 26 October 2013 16: 21 New
              0
              Well, at least finally a Russian language teacher was found! What would we ory do without you?
        3. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 23 October 2013 11: 32 New
          +6
          Despite several publications made by experts on the basis of publications in the journal Uspekhi Fizicheskikh Nauk and Oleg Lavrentiev's personal memoirs published in Novosibirsk, a scientist from the academic town V. Sekerin published articles (in Duel and Miracles and Adventures), where professionally proved the existence of a direct weaning by "luminaries from physics" of the solution on the hydrogen bomb, obtained by a simple radio operator. The articles also provide links to L. Beria's secret order to include Oleg Lavrentyev among the developers of nuclear weapons as the initiator of the main concept of the solution. Alas, the recognition of such a seemingly obvious fact is still very far away.
          The bottom line is that Sakharov is an unscrupulous scientist and a victim of political manipulation. And the Russian scientist Oleg Lavrentiev never achieved official recognition. Neither in Wikipedia, nor in any other popular encyclopedia does his name appear. However, this is the usual fate of many Russian geniuses. in principle, it is in the spirit of the Jews. A close example is Zuckerberg.
          1. Katsin1
            Katsin1 23 October 2013 15: 17 New
            -4
            It should be noted that the allegations in the media that the first proposal to use LiD as a thermonuclear fuel and even the very idea of ​​a hydrogen bomb supposedly belong to Lavrentyev are groundless. Ginzburg's first report on the study of lithium deuteride as the material of a hydrogen bomb was dated December 2, 1948, the very idea of ​​using LiD as a solid reservoir of deuterium, which arose earlier, was to some extent trivial (and it is not even known which of the developers put it forward) [6], Ginzburg’s main idea was the use of lithium in the form of the rare 6Li isotope, since the 7Li isotope, which is the most widespread, suppresses the thermonuclear reaction, and 6Li, on the contrary, besides its own energy release during neutron capture, 6Li (n, t) α, с produces tritium in this reaction, which intensively reacts with deuterium with a significantly higher energy yield and neutron emission t (d, n) α; thus, the neutrons in this chain are not lost. The use of lithium deuteride with an enriched 6Li isotope was considered in a Ginzburg report dated March 3, 1949 [7]. The reactions of a proton with 7Li and a deuteron with 6Li (with the release of two alpha particles in both cases) proposed at Lavrentiev’s note do not occur at temperatures attainable in a nuclear explosion because they have a too low effective cross section, as noted in Sakharov’s review of Lavrentiev’s work [ 8] (1950).
            The undeniable role of Lavrentiev is the initial initiation of work on controlled thermonuclear fusion.
            1. 225chay
              225chay 23 October 2013 21: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: Katsin1
              The undeniable role of Lavrentiev is the initial initiation of work on controlled thermonuclear fusion.

              this is true!
        4. Proud.
          Proud. 23 October 2013 11: 54 New
          +9
          Quote: Katsin1
          (guess who by nationality)

          Who?
          Quote: Katsin1
          disgust mother-Russia to the freemasons

          Here, here. You yourself have indicated to whom exactly.
          Quote: Katsin1
          It will be honest and fair :-)

          Figushki. It will not be "fair and just." In order for those listed by you to create this weapon, the necessary infrastructure was created. And other conditions necessary for thoughtful work. These pundits, not on the knee and "in spite of", but in front of everyone conditions and full support of the entire potential of the multinational Country.
        5. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 23 October 2013 12: 05 New
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          We read slowly and meaningfully:
          a simple Russian guy, while on active duty, graduated from the 8th, 9th and 10th grades of an evening school for working youth in one year. Having access only to the school physics textbook, he alone, with the help of only his own brains, did what huge groups of highly paid high-scholastic Jewish scientists fought against, with unlimited resources and capabilities on both sides of the ocean.
          Having no contacts with the scientific world, the soldier, in full agreement with the norms of the then life, writes a letter to Stalin. "I know the secret of the hydrogen bomb!" No answer. In the Central Committee of the CPSU (b). And soon the command of the unit received an order from Moscow to create conditions for sergeant Lavrentyev to work. He was given a guarded room at the headquarters of the unit, where he wrote his first articles. In July 1950 he sent them by secret mail to the heavy engineering department of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b).
          Lavrentyev described the principle of operation of a hydrogen bomb, where solid lithium deuteride was used as fuel. This choice made it possible to make a compact charge - quite "on the shoulder" of the aircraft. Note that the first American hydrogen bomb "Mike", tested two years later, in 1952, contained liquid deuterium as fuel, was as tall as a house and weighed 82 tons.
          He did not know that his message was promptly sent for review then to the candidate of sciences, and later to the academician and three times Hero of Socialist Labor A. Sakharov, who already in August said this about the idea of ​​controlled thermonuclear fusion: “... I believe that the author poses a very important and not a hopeless problem ... I consider it necessary to discuss Comrade Lavrentyev's draft in detail. Regardless of the results of the discussion, it is necessary to note the creative initiative of the author right now. "
          Now you understand why Niels Bohr formulated an aphorism: "There is a community in the world more terrible than a gangster: this is a community of scientists (... of a certain nationality ...)"... Therefore, over the entrance to the Russian Academy of Sciences or any of its "scientific institutes" it would be necessary to hang over the gates and the entrance large posters with the inscription: "Forget about the Truth everyone who enters here!"
          1. Snoop
            Snoop 28 October 2013 08: 35 New
            0
            They have their own lobby in science. I remember Landau was asked if there would be two candidates of sciences, one Jew, but mediocre, another promising, the future color of science, but Kazakh, who would you choose? He answered naturally a Jew)))
        6. Ascetic
          Ascetic 23 October 2013 12: 07 New
          24
          Quote: Katsin1
          Academicians Zeldovich and Khariton played an important role (guess who by nationality)


          they, like Sakharov and similar figures, did not embark on a betrayal of the interests of their own country for the sake of its opponents. In particular, this was what Lev Borisovich Khariton said in an interview
          Do not forget, we had super-task: to create super-powerful weapons that could protect our homeland as soon as possible. When we managed to solve this problem, we felt relief, even happiness, because possessing new weapons, we deprived other countries of the opportunity to use them against the USSR with impunity, which means that it serves peace and security. Everyone who took part in the Atomic Project was aware of this and worked, regardless of time, difficulties, or health ...

          HARITON STAR
          True patriot of his country living a long and difficult life. From Stalin to Yeltsin, the country always needed and, despite the change of government and ideology, never cheated on it
          1. Katsin1
            Katsin1 23 October 2013 19: 17 New
            -16 qualifying.
            From the point of view of "Beria's department", Khariton had enough sins to stay in one of the GULAG institutions for the rest of his life. And it's not just a matter of nationality - the persecution of Jews on a scale inherent in Stalinism began after Khariton and many of his colleagues were covered by the "nuclear shield" they were creating. The Soviets killed Yuli Borisovich's father. Russia was not his homeland, she was a stepmother. I am very sorry that the talents of this person did not go to the good of YOUR country ...
            1. wax
              wax 23 October 2013 20: 20 New
              +3
              I am happy that I was born in Russia and devoted my life to the atomic science of the great country of the Soviets. I deeply believe and firmly know that our people, our government will be given only to the good of humanity the achievements of this science
              Kurchatov I.V.
              And there was peace.
              And for what good is Israel creating WMD?
            2. aleshka
              aleshka 26 October 2013 16: 25 New
              0
              I am becoming more and more convinced that there are Jews and they are normal people! But there are Jews and there is always one stink from them!
        7. stroporez
          stroporez 23 October 2013 12: 50 New
          16
          the creation of the state of Israel, once insisted I.V. STALIN ------ well, so be consistent ------ unfold ..
          Quote: Katsin1
          :-)
        8. Uncle
          Uncle 23 October 2013 13: 13 New
          +8
          Quote: Katsin1
          I have a proposal: as a manifestation of Mother Rus’s disgust for the Jewish masons, abandon the created by the Masons

          Good offer. There is a counter-proposal to him: give up the state of Israel, created under the patronage of the USSR.
          1. Katsin1
            Katsin1 23 October 2013 15: 33 New
            -27 qualifying.
            When you abandon the statehood of Russia, send your proposal to the League of Sexual Minorities. Maybe they will help you there ...
          2. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 23 October 2013 19: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Uncle
            created under the patronage of the USSR.

            And very quickly got under the patronage of the United States, they feel the situation.
            1. Denis
              Denis 24 October 2013 03: 20 New
              0
              Quote: olegyurjewitch
              And very quickly moved under the patronage of the United States
              Nothing personal, just business
        9. Motors1991
          Motors1991 23 October 2013 15: 04 New
          15
          No offense, it’s said, but when I read what achievements in the field of aviation, rocket science, etc. the Germans did during the Second World War without Jews, I have a question: ,, And so are the merits of the Jews with us and whether dominance is Jews in science are the result of their cohesion when a Jew moved a Jew forward ?, Now it is noticeably very good. Russian, Ukrainians are unceremoniously squeezed out of all spheres of life, their destiny is low-paid, low-skilled work. Can someone refute?
          1. Dezzed
            Dezzed 23 October 2013 18: 44 New
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: Motors1991
            Russians, Ukrainians unceremoniously squeezed out of all spheres of life


            please specify who exactly pushes?
            1. Motors1991
              Motors1991 23 October 2013 19: 01 New
              10
              Jews, bankers, oligarchs are almost all Jews. In my city, a mayor a Jew, under the USSR, was the head of a workshop at a military factory, they expelled and not just expelled, but expelled from the party, for this it was necessary to try hard, moved to another factory, recovered in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, they got rid of him, pushing him to the vice-chairmen of the executive committee. There he publicly licked the ass of the mayor, personally watched because he had to go to meetings every week. Then, when the mayor did not please Lazorenko, the governor of the region, our hero swore allegiance to Pavel Ivanovich, became the leader city while trampling his former boss along the way. Now he has surrounded himself with fellow tribesmen and will not allow anyone to enter the throne, which Russian or Ukrainian will start, his fate is one: out of the gate.
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 29 October 2013 23: 17 New
            0
            A real scientist is primarily tolerant not only to questions determining the path to truth, but also to the pointless question of belonging to nationality. No one is squeezing anyone. A scientist is a vocation, not a fighter for title and title. For a scientist, the search for truth is a priority over everything. Another thing is that now there are too many people hiding behind science. But the result is obvious that over the decades there has not been a single fundamental discovery. And all the achievements are the lot of low-potential energy processes and phenomena. That's all and rested. Well, torment before the crisis, and then they will look again for the real
        10. aksakal
          aksakal 23 October 2013 16: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: Katsin1
          Yes, in addition to Sakharov, academicians Zeldovich and Khariton played an important role in creating the hydrogen bomb (guess who by nationality). I have a suggestion: as a manifestation of Mother Rus’s disgust for the Zhidomasons, abandon the thermonuclear weapons created by the Zhidomasons Zeldovich, Khariton and the traitor Sakharov. It will be honest and fair :-)

          Quote: kavkaz8888
          Institute of Jewish Wives. ”Is that what it’s called?

          Quote: Motors1991
          No offense, it’s said, but when I read what achievements in the field of aviation, rocket science, etc. the Germans did during the Second World War without Jews, I have a question: ,, And so are the merits of the Jews with us and whether dominance is Jews in science are the result of their cohesion when a Jew moved a Jew forward ?, Now it is noticeably very good. Russian, Ukrainians are unceremoniously squeezed out of all spheres of life, their destiny is low-paid, low-skilled work. Can someone refute?

          Dear, unfortunately, there is a homespun truth in your words. Jews, when they conquer an industry in the economy or the whole facet of public life - (and by the little things they don’t work, like this, either the whole industry, or the whole facet of social life, or the whole science of the state, or the whole cultural life of this poor country) - act very coherently and cohesively. This was noticed even by the famous Russian writers of the 19th century - Gogol and others, who even then had to face competition from the Jews in the field of literature. In particular, Gogol was enraged that if a Jewish critic gives an annotation to a Jewish writer, then the annotation will certainly be positive, and the Jewish publisher will surely immediately get the whole thing done. Well, yes this is the whole story. Let us single out the essence - if at least one representative of the LGBT appears in any office, then in three years this office will be teeming with these ... er ... gays, in short. Jews behave exactly like these ... uh ... well, gay people are shorter. So the answer to Mr. Katsin-1 is this - well, since the Jewish diaspora in Russia in this way conquered all science, the entire scientific industry as such, although ABOUT THIS this diaspora did not ask, she did this on her own initiative, then, respectively, and all the results of activities in this area, by any means, belong to Russia as the mistress of this science. In other words, if these discoveries were not made by Khariton and Zeldovich, who were forced to do so, as they were called mumps, and they were called mumps when they started to occupy this industry, then it would be some Ivanov or Petrov! So with yours
          Quote: Katsin1
          abandon the thermonuclear weapons created by the Zhidomasons Zeldovich, Khariton and the traitor Sakharov.

          offers we can advise you to go only forest-field with an erotic bias.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 23 October 2013 16: 35 New
            11
            By the way, the scientific industry is easily conquered. It is enough for two representatives of any ethnic group to finish the best university in the country and manage to stay in it to work as teachers, then, with due diligence, the teaching staff of this university from representatives of this particular ethnic group will increase ten to twenty times in the next 10 years. In short, the best university will be captured. And there, only applicants of this ethnos should be accepted into this university - this is the whole branch of science that this university specializes in, it will be captured by one ethnos. And so that the titular nation does not have tensions because of this, the ideals of internationalism, tolerance, equality are crammed into key, and not only key representatives of the titular nation. It is, of course, good, but when one ethnic group, while conquering an entire branch of the country, secretly spits on all these ideals of internationalism, tolerance, and equality, then the titular nation in the name of saving itself itself is simply obliged to spit on the same thing.
            And therefore, although I am not very pleased to read about me as a "black", I understand that in Russia there is an awakening of national self-awareness, RUSSIAN national self-awareness, and upon awakening some unpleasant costs are inevitable, foam, in short, is inevitable. And I am ready to understand and forgive these costs, although sometimes emotions are overwhelmed, as happened yesterday on the thread about Kazakhstani citizenship, but on condition that the Russians, during their national awakening, will be wise enough to understand that their true enslavers and all the troubles "- not" blacks ", such as Asians and even Caucasians, but completely different people. So that they, the Russians, during their national awakening, would not be strongly led to various "counter-black" provocations, for these provocations are being made and will be done solely with the aim of warding off the blow from the true culprit and enemy of the Russian people. The culprit really wants to continue to own Russian wealth, which he did not earn, but simply seized with the help of Chubais (ksati, today there was a post from an Israeli who refused Chubais' services - the Israelis know the danger of Chubais laughing) But all this will have to be returned, and it is better to do it voluntarily and with pure thoughts, without inciting ethnic hatred in the territory of the countries of the former USSR to preserve this wealth. Then, gratitude from the Russian people may well be, out of kindness, even the most terrible genocide at the hands of Zalkind under the leadership of Trotsky and Sverdlov could well be forgiven.
            But no - no, no, no court. The Russian people are still awakening.
            1. 225chay
              225chay 23 October 2013 21: 30 New
              +2
              Aksakal! You are just a genius!
        11. Altona
          Altona 23 October 2013 17: 39 New
          +8
          Some Kotin and Zaltsman were involved in creating the tank power of the USSR, you probably do not know them? I also know many Jews who don’t tolerate Israel and everything connected with it, especially the paisas and matzo, preferring a healthy Russian or Ukrainian team to them ...
          1. Katsin1
            Katsin1 23 October 2013 17: 49 New
            -9
            There are self-haters in any nation, and my people, alas, a champion in this matter, take at least Primakov, the best friend of Hussein and Arafat, or Kiriyenko, who supplies nuclear reactors to the possessed Iranian regime. About 30 years old my distant relative, a pure Jewess, demanded a nuclear bombing of Israel
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 23 October 2013 20: 22 New
              +7
              Quote: Katsin1
              There are self-haters in any nation, and my people, alas, a champion in this matter, take at least Primakov, the best friend of Hussein and Arafat, or Kiriyenko, who supplies nuclear reactors to the possessed Iranian regime. About 30 years old my distant relative, a pure Jewess, demanded a nuclear bombing of Israel


              This only indicates the presence of decent people in this ethnic group.
            2. pavlo
              pavlo 24 October 2013 08: 35 New
              0
              she probably was not allowed into Israel ???
          2. Motors1991
            Motors1991 23 October 2013 18: 09 New
            10
            I worked three times in my life under the guidance of Jews, so where they lead there is no team, constantly squabbles, denunciations and other, joys. By the way, if you look at the same warlords, there is no predominance of Jews, and if If we compare the ChK-NKVD-MGB, then in the 20s there were 85% of Jews in the governing bodies. Stalin thinned them out a bit, we still remember that after his death, 15% of the leaders in the organs were Jews. I want to say this. that where there was a cruel selection of business qualities, the Jews showed no advantage. There was little time in the industry, in the workshops that were responsible for the plan, there were few Jewish bosses, they sat in departments or in auxiliary workshops, and Russians, Ukrainians, etc. were blown away for the plan, I’ll add, L. Feuchtwanger :, , Jews look like monkeys, it’s worth one to climb a tree, as the others climb along its tail,
          3. Denis
            Denis 24 October 2013 03: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Altona
            you probably don’t know them?
            They know, they only consider it fake
        12. wax
          wax 23 October 2013 20: 09 New
          -1
          In your opinion, the freemason and the Jew are synonyms?
        13. Denis
          Denis 24 October 2013 03: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Katsin1
          to abandon the thermonuclear weapons created by the Zhidomasons Zeldovich, Khariton and the traitor Sakharov
          Have refused
          There is evidence that thermonuclear weapons are in service?
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 23 October 2013 09: 49 New
      13
      Quote: kostyanich
      never understood people like sugar
      first makes a super bomb and receives from the government all the privileges that physicists relied on
      then the nuclear power suddenly started to scold the power that raised him
      where is the damn logic?


      In the same place where, when presenting a peace prize from the creator of dynamite to the creator of a thermonuclear bomb! wassat Well ... opera! fellow
      1. Rink
        Rink 23 October 2013 12: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: SHILO
        ... when presenting a peace prize from the creator of dynamite to the creator of a thermonuclear bomb!


        I remembered a joke ...

        "... Well, I just wanted to live a little alone" - the creator of the nuclear bomb explained in court.
    3. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 23 October 2013 10: 22 New
      0
      Quote: kostyanich
      never understood people like sugar
      first makes a super bomb and receives from the government all the privileges that physicists relied on
      then the nuclear power suddenly started to scold the power that raised him
      where is the damn logic?

      It was not the power that raised him, but he himself - no one denies that he made the bomb. Can you imagine the motivation that made him give up everything? I'm not, weak, I guess. Here you can’t say that I chased after the profit and was bought. And about psychiatrists — in our USSR, a diagnosis was made that did not exist in the world — in order to put those whose behavior was unusual in a psychiatric hospital — how to refuse privileges for the sake of ideals? It's impossible it's crazy
    4. Rink
      Rink 23 October 2013 11: 29 New
      19
      To understand the logic of the development of Sakharov's actions, you need to dig Bonner well. Where did she come from, second wife? Whose "serve" was it: Sakharov roared, or did she take him away? What are her views, how did she live before Sakharov? Why were there suspicions of links with the CIA? This sharp turn towards "human rights" activities and liberal-democratic ideas in the early 70s looks very strange for any Soviet person, and even more so for a prominent nuclear scientist, academician. Neither upbringing, nor education, nor the environment around him could push the "bloodthirsty" atomic scientist to such a degeneration.
      But Bonner that arose from somewhere with a daily influence on the psyche of a scientist (which are often a little out of this world) - could well, having fallen in love with herself, sculpt from him what she wants.

      Americans often use this trick. There are many examples. For example, the wife of Ukrainian prezik Viti Yushchenko, Katya. In her American-Canadian youth, the lady was fond of this:



      (On the podium - the future wife of the Ukrainian president).

      Is it any wonder that Yushchenko, when he was president, began to rehabilitate the OUN / UPA and other accomplices of the SS men?

      And in Gorbachev's life, the role of Raisa Maksimovna is still underexplored. It seems that her "antics" began long before the purchase of the islands. There is a suspicion that she was the first to be recruited, and through her there was a way to recruit Mishka "Marked"http://mihooy.livejournal.com/99090.html
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 23 October 2013 11: 36 New
        +3
        cool photo, where did you find it?
        1. Rink
          Rink 23 October 2013 12: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Oberst_71
          cool photo, where did you find it?

          Yes, the Internet is full of pictures and articles about this ... pi-ii-ip! to the lady.
          Just type in Google "Ekaterina Yushchenko, CIA" and you will get plenty of links to articles and pictures.

          e.g. http://www.zerkalo.net.ua/news/858.html
    5. Gari
      Gari 23 October 2013 12: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: kostyanich
      then the nuclear power suddenly started to scold the power that raised him
      where is the damn logic?

      And you can find the logic in the excerpt from the article
      The USSR was already on its way to death, a significant part of the Soviet elite worked to destroy it, dreaming of a “bourgeois” life with yachts, gold toilets and striptease. Therefore, people like Sakharov were worth their weight in gold. They broke a great power with their hands.
      I myself and I think not only me, this question worries how it turned out that such a powerful Power fell apart, well, the fact that they tried from abroad is so clear, but there were enemies inside.
      But Sakharov and his ilk are all just pawns, if they would like to shut their mouths like that, it turns out it wasn’t necessary.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 23 October 2013 12: 49 New
        +6
        Quote: Gari
        And Sakharov and others like him are just pawns

        Such as sugars were more suited to the role of provocateurs. A sort of "razhym martyrs".
        Bonaire is a curator. And the pawns, or infantry, these
        Words by Ehud Olmert. Israeli Prime Minister -
        “This is not empty bragging,” Olmert said. “The Soviet regime could not resist the courageous Jews fighting for their fundamental right to live in the land of their ancestors.
        It was the struggle of the Jews against the USSR that became “the main element of the collapse of the Soviet regime».
        1. Gari
          Gari 23 October 2013 14: 21 New
          10
          Quote: Ptah
          It was the struggle of the Jews against the USSR that became "the main element of the collapse of the Soviet regime."

          Let me disagree with this, I don’t have to throw everything at the Jews, because there were Jewish scientists who faithfully served Soviet science, and the heroes who laid down their lives in the Great War and many others for whom the USSR was their homeland.
          In my opinion, all the same, the so-called "elite" was to blame for the collapse of the country, which of the former leaders suffered?
          Who besides the common people
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 23 October 2013 16: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Gari
            all the same, the so-called ,, elite ,, was to blame for the collapse of the country


            Painfully "smoothly" they lied! And on the other hand, the best fighters of the ideological front have gone somewhere (drank themselves to death). I also assume that the brain is somehow connected to the belly! Hence = fatal diffcitis paralyzed the ability to think!
            The sense of self-preservation has fallen asleep!
            And at the nth moment, everyone pecked at a selfish little thought floating in the air = or maybe indeed: well, him .... all this! After all, I am so smart and sneaky, but why: but I will become rich !!! And maybe - a billionaire !!! And what ????

            And so about ..... whether socialism, along with its .... dent! He was expecting for himself 1000 years of fame (dope ... ak, he does not know what awaits him ... then)
            And in other matters, over this crossword puzzle the best minds of the world for another 500 years will puzzle!
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 23 October 2013 22: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Quote: Gari
              all the same, the so-called ,, elite ,, was to blame for the collapse of the country


              Painfully "smoothly" they lied! And on the other hand, the best fighters of the ideological front have gone somewhere (drank themselves to death). I also assume that the brain is somehow connected to the belly! Hence = fatal diffcitis paralyzed the ability to think!
              The sense of self-preservation has fallen asleep!
              And at the nth moment, everyone pecked at a selfish little thought floating in the air = or maybe indeed: well, him .... all this! After all, I am so smart and sneaky, but why: but I will become rich !!! And maybe - a billionaire !!! And what ????

              And so about ..... whether socialism, along with its .... dent! He was expecting for himself 1000 years of fame (dope ... ak, he does not know what awaits him ... then)
              And in other matters, over this crossword puzzle the best minds of the world for another 500 years will puzzle!

              - well, such thoughts came to my mind in the late 80s - early 90s, I confess. The "fresh" wind of change was blowing, it felt great. I want to play the lottery, especially since the same powerful propaganda machine prompted on this topic that campaigned for the ideals of communism a year earlier.
              But I just didn't know, and many thousands, that this was not started at all in order to give me a chance. The world financial elite has already planned everything and even appointed "temporary" owners of privatized Soviet assets like Khodorkovsky, in the fight against such a novice businessman, even a very energetic and nimble one, has no chance at all.
              Hindsight are strong. Now it is clear that we were divorced, the Soviet people were divorced. And I am already here, and earlier, and in the future, I turn to those "temporary" (and all these gentlemen in white that are walking around the Israelites are temporary owners, they are obliged to transfer these assets to the world financial elite, money for the purchase of these assets who gave these gentlemen in white?) to the owners of assets - RETURN! Do not lead to sin. Putin somehow already gave a hint, remember? To begin with, it's very soft, like, gentlemen, but you can't pay real money for the "strange way" assets you privatized? Well, gentlemen, they did not refuse to refuse outright in white, it is not in their style to refuse a serious person, but they chatted up. And now the Russian and Kazakh people, too, have a lot of goods "privatized", and this topic is not interesting - after all, those who stand behind them can pay off for the gentlemen in white. Their printing press works fine. But why are these green papers replacing real assets like Norilsk Nickel and others? Natrua was taken away? In kind and return. And you can pay for using green bills, okay.
              So we are waiting for offers, business standing offers. Our peoples are waiting1
        2. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 23 October 2013 14: 35 New
          +4
          and that is characteristic, then they asked so much, so they asked, but now you cannot expel them. not only can not expel, but also they say all crap.
          1. Dezzed
            Dezzed 23 October 2013 18: 54 New
            -6
            those who "asked" are all here. I can give a part ...
            1. wax
              wax 23 October 2013 20: 32 New
              +3
              those who "asked" are all here. I can give a part ...
              No, we have enough of them. It would be good if the rest were taken to the promised land.
        3. bwo
          bwo 23 October 2013 16: 20 New
          0
          This trinity + the Central Committee of the CPSU Union and collapsed.
        4. Dezzed
          Dezzed 23 October 2013 18: 51 New
          -6
          Ehud Olmert is a little connoisseur of Marxism of Leninism.

          Such socialism as in the USSR could not last long without the intrigues of the Jews. * economic strategy is simple.
        5. Denis
          Denis 24 October 2013 03: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Ptah
          Jews fighting for their basic right
          And let others out?
          So they hate them for their claims of exclusivity
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 23 October 2013 12: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Gari
        if you would like you would shut up their mouths
        - see, again "if" .......
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 23 October 2013 21: 54 New
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        Quote: Gari

        But Sakharov and his ilk are all just pawns, if they would like to shut their mouths like that, it turns out it wasn’t necessary.

        - I support. I will never believe that the best secret service in the world at that time, the KGB, "profiled" Bonner and allowed a fatal and destructive marriage for the personality of a scientist, a person with a fine mental organization. SCHSCHCHAZ! laughing Moreover, I admit that even the KGB team was issued a command not only not to prevent the CIA agent from wrapping up Sakharov, but even to contribute as much as possible. And then in this scenario, the betrayal of the USSR by its own elite becomes just the only logical explanation. Am I reasoning reasonably? Hence the only beneficiary of the collapse of the USSR - the Soviet elite. But then you are unfair to Gorbachev - he is not the only one, he is just one of them. And I would like and someday recognize by name those traitors of the Soviet Union, not only Gorbachev. Gorbachev is only six of them, I really hope that when he dies, the Russian people will arrange a serious protest and serious resistance, so that they would bury him where he dies - that way, he will not die, namely DIET, not letting him into Russia. Six - sixth death and sixth funeral.
  3. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 23 October 2013 09: 15 New
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    Sakharov-Sakhorovich-Zukkerman! such a joke1
    And so Sakharov, that Gorbachev, that Novodvrskaya, that Alekseeva and other liberals! Shame and contempt for them.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 October 2013 09: 19 New
    +7
    Sakharov played a small role in the collapse of the USSR .. PR I remember him very much.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 23 October 2013 09: 19 New
    +9
    Elena Georgievna Bonner
    Father - Armenian, Kocharov (Kocharyan) Levon Sarkisovich [3]; stepfather - Alikhanyan Gevork Sarkisovich (sometimes incorrectly [4] is indicated as the father of [5] [6]), in 1920-1921 years - the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Armenia, in 1921-1931 years on responsible party posts in the district committees of the RCP (b): Baumansky in Moscow and a number of districts of the city of Leningrad. In 1931 — 1937 he worked in the Executive Committee of the Comintern. Repressed, executed on 13 on February 1938, rehabilitated posthumously.
    Mother, a Jewess, Ruth Grigorievna Bonner (1900 — 1987), was arrested on December 10 of 1937, and on March 22 of 1938 of the year she was sentenced to 8 years of exile. Rehabilitated in 1954 year. Accounted for as a niece to the editor and public figure Moses Leontyevich Kleiman (? —1931). [7] [8]
    After the arrest of both parents in 1937, she moved to her grandmother in Leningrad.
    I did not look for a long time. This is from Wikipedia.
    But what always struck me ...
    USSR, the fight against dissidents. Obstacles to traveling abroad, denial of repatriation of Jews. And here:
    "... In 1965, she joined the Communist Party. Having rethought its life position after the suppression of the “Prague Spring” of the 1968 of the year, in the 1972 year it quit the CPSU due to the inconsistency of its beliefs with party policy.
    In the 1960's - the beginning of the 1970's I went to the processes of dissidents. During one of such trips in the 1970 year in Kaluga (the Weil – Pimenov process), I met academician Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov. Married him in 1972. [11]
    She was a participant in the transfer of Kuznetsov’s diaries to the West, in 1973 she was repeatedly interrogated in this case.
    In 1974, Sakharov was awarded the Chino del Duca cash prize, which enabled Elena Bonner to realize the dream of a fund to help children of political prisoners, which was based on the part of the [12] prize transferred by Sakharov.
    Elena Bonner represented Academician Sakharov in 1975 at the Nobel Prize ceremony in Oslo ...
    "
    I left the party. I handed over scribbles for the cordon and on you ... In 1975 I went to Oslo. If anyone is interested, then this is not her first trip to the decaying west.
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 23 October 2013 09: 38 New
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      "Institute of Jewish Wives". Is that what it's called?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 23 October 2013 22: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: kavkaz8888
        "Institute of Jewish Wives". Is that what it's called?

        - unfortunately, the institution of Salafi wives also appears. My friend, a Slav, abandoned his wife with three children. I did not break off the relationship, I met his new Chechen woman. But he did not come to the court, his friend quietly dissociated himself, stopped communicating, refused to all the urges to "drink beer", he even poured his birthday greetings, in short ... Then he saw him - let go of his beard, happily said that he had converted to Islam and reads namaz, keeps all the fasts ... In short, I hope it will not go further, do you understand what I mean?
        If I am not mistaken - the recent terrorist attack in Volgograd from the same series? Is there one of the terrorists - just fallen under the influence of a "Muslim wife?
        So there is not only the Institute of Jewish Wives. Another competitor has appeared. I don't know how much a competitor, but fact is fact.
        And there is only one counterweight here - to recreate the breed of those that have a horse on a gallop, in a burning hut and with money with the help of only one glance ... laughing Some initial population survived though?
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 23 October 2013 09: 39 New
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      do not forget that at the time of meeting Sakharov is married and has children! It is characteristic that the two sons of Sakharov renounced their first marriage
      father’s. Keep in mind that now is not Stalin's time and renunciation is not
      forced, but present. They just hate the Jewish stepmother psycho
      who commands their father.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 23 October 2013 21: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Oberst_71
        They just hate the Jewish stepmother psycho

        So she has the same dad Armenian ...)
    3. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 23 October 2013 15: 28 New
      +3
      Well, here it is clear that the leadership of the KGB, which dreamed of merging the USSR since the days of the OGPU Yagoda, oversaw and directed this entire gang. They knew that Yakovlev was most likely recruited and did not interfere with his career growth. All these gaidars, chubais and kokhi gathered in circles quite legally back in the 70s and discussed the transition of the USSR economy to the market. What then they did. And no one interfered with them either. It's like a myth about Putin, who independently "entered" the KGB and modestly kept silent about his grandfather, the government cook (of course, the grandfather-cook was also closely associated with the NKVD-KGB).
      And Sakharov is just a seriously mentally ill person, whose delusional ideas were used. All his life he lived "under the hood" of the special services in his artificial world and knew about the life of the citizens of the USSR as well as we knew about the life of the Polynesian aborigines.
    4. gunya
      gunya 7 October 2014 21: 17 New
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      Lev Sheinin wrote about Bonner as a swindler in his "Investigator's Notes". The most complete information about her adventures was written in the early 80s in the magazine "Man and Law". Sakharov was completely under her influence.
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  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 23 October 2013 09: 23 New
    +6
    from the Don.
    Honestly, I don’t want to read about this dead man!
  7. 0255
    0255 23 October 2013 09: 24 New
    +3
    The author is a huge plus! I didn’t know anything about Sakharov.
    According to the young scientist, these "super torpedoes", exploded off the Atlantic and Pacific coast of America, were supposed to cause irreparable damage to the Americans. Explosions of thermonuclear charges could cause huge tsunamis, with a wave height of tens of meters. The “killer waves" were to wash away dozens of cities and settlements, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. According to Academician Igor Ostretsov, Sakharov painted a picture when a giant wave of the Atlantic side will fall on New York, Philadelphia, Washington, other waves will cover the west coast in the area of ​​Charleston, San Francisco and Los Angeles, will be washed off on the Gulf of Mexico Houston, New Orleans and Pensacola in Florida.

    Interestingly, but he did not share the project of his torpedo with the Americans? The Americans would be happy to use it if something happens ...
    1. Rinat 1
      Rinat 1 23 October 2013 10: 18 New
      +5
      We were lucky to not share it !!! Americans would use without hesitation.
  8. mak210
    mak210 23 October 2013 09: 28 New
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    It is believed that he was not the author of the layout of the hydrogen bomb, but he stole Oleg Alexandrovich Lavrentyev, a self-taught physicist, then trampled him into the mud to prevent anything.

    Funny character, however. To create a strategy for the use of nuclear torpedoes, which the military abandoned for moral reasons, one has to manage. Big bastard, it seems.
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 23 October 2013 09: 39 New
      +8
      And I read for stealing ideas.
      1. 0255
        0255 23 October 2013 11: 59 New
        0
        Quote: mak210
        It is believed that he was not the author of the layout of the hydrogen bomb, but he stole Oleg Alexandrovich Lavrentyev, a self-taught physicist, then trampled him into the mud to prevent anything.

        Funny character, however. To create a strategy for the use of nuclear torpedoes, which the military abandoned for moral reasons, one has to manage. Big bastard, it seems.

        Quote: kavkaz8888
        And I read for stealing ideas.

        and where can I read it? throw a link please
    2. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 23 October 2013 15: 58 New
      -2
      Quote: mak210
      It is believed that he was not the author of the layout of the hydrogen bomb, but he stole Oleg Alexandrovich Lavrentyev, a self-taught physicist, then trampled him into the mud to prevent anything.

      Funny character, however. To create a strategy for the use of nuclear torpedoes, which the military abandoned for moral reasons, one has to manage. Big bastard, it seems.

      It is believed that you were not born, but were cloned. Such opinions about what you want can be thrown as much as you want. A well-known technique in spreading rumors - the more ridiculous, the more difficult it is to refute
      1. mak210
        mak210 23 October 2013 20: 20 New
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        Lavrentiev's letter was found in a special folder under the heading "Top secret. Of particular importance." And Beria personally summoned him to Moscow (sergeant, it seems). And the then physicists had the idea to drive the reactor on the cruiser to the shore and to jerk along with the crew.

        And where is the absurdity? And where are the rumors?
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 23 October 2013 16: 29 New
      0
      Quote: mak210
      that he is not the author of the layout of the hydrogen bomb, but stole Oleg Alexandrovich Lavrentyev, a self-taught physicist, then trampled him into the mud to prevent anything.


      Academician Ginzburg (if I'm not mistaken) = or haven't you? He told everything! We worked together (under the leadership of Kurchatov). Who is the author - yes Kurchatov. And this is a publicized nonsense = well, we don’t care everything! We peck at any "spinner"!
  9. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 23 October 2013 09: 43 New
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    And what are these "human rights" about which
    Sugar crucifies. On August 26, 1973, Sakharov signed the so-called
    "Humanitarian Manifesto", printed in all major newspapers in the world,
    where
    stands this: "In the field of sexual relations, we believe that intolerance,
    often cultivated by orthodox religions and puritanical culture,
    in vain limits the scope of sexual behavior! How! Atomic scientist Sakharov in his old age got into the "field of sexual relations"? And what "restrictions" is he protesting against? And what
    "the scope of sexual behavior" he wants to expand?
    After all, only pederasts are limited ... So, Sakharov votes for pederasts ...
    For which he was given the Nobel Prize ...
  10. Lindon
    Lindon 23 October 2013 09: 47 New
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    Russian authorities continue to honor “heroes” like Sakharov, Gorbachev and Yeltsin


    The list is incomplete - they forgot Solzhenitsyn. When will the full list of "heroes" be released?
    Young people should know to whom they owe and why there is no USSR country.
    1. alebor
      alebor 23 October 2013 10: 12 New
      +9
      Quote: Lindon
      Young people should know to whom they owe and why there is no USSR country

      Probably, specifically so that the young people do not forget, one of the wide streets in the center of Moscow was named Academician Sakharov Avenue.
  11. user
    user 23 October 2013 09: 48 New
    12
    As a physicist Sakharov, a talented person, as a human rights defender, a decent bastard
    1. Alexey
      Alexey 23 October 2013 10: 17 New
      20
      I would say; as a person - a decent bastard.
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  13. mamba
    mamba 23 October 2013 10: 00 New
    +4
    The payment for genius is schizophrenia, especially if it is written on the family. The boundary state in which the academician was, especially in recent years, encouraged him to create crazy ideas that were raised as a banner by the liberals of the first wave. It is a pity the old man, perhaps he did not understand what he was doing.
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 23 October 2013 14: 02 New
      +1
      It was enough to watch on TV his appearances - jerking, spitting up with saliva ... There is no need to be a psychiatrist to suspect: something is wrong here ...
      1. berimor
        berimor 23 October 2013 18: 25 New
        +5
        Yes, I also remembered!
        I was ashamed then (what is among us), disgusting and, honestly, even somehow disgusting to listen to this bent man spitting on his mouth with a slobbering mouth that gave him everything he wanted!
        I was especially indignant (I was ready to kill him at that moment) when he said from a high rostrum with a tangled tongue that in Afghanistan our aviation specially shot our guys who were surrounded so that they would not be captured !!! Well, not S.UKA !!!
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 23 October 2013 19: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: mamba
      It is a pity the old man, perhaps he did not understand what he was doing.
      But from his youth he did not doubt his genius. Why and went to the evacuation. Think about it, the ONLY 18-year-old guy for the entire train of evacuated ...
  14. Anubis Gorynych
    Anubis Gorynych 23 October 2013 10: 01 New
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    in the 80s, Sakharov offered our military an "amazing" method of war with the United States: since it is a coastal power, you should not throw bombs on its land, you need to detonate them near the coast, then tsunami waves will wash away large US cities, in which the bulk of the population is concentrated ... But to the credit of our military, it should be noted that they completely rejected this anti-human proposal, making it clear that they are ready to fight the enemy's military machine, and not this population. Then Sakharov, having moved to the United States, wrote a brochure "Hiroshimize Russia", in which he called on the United States to bomb the main cities of the USSR. And in the glorious city of Barnaul, an entire square was named in his honor ...
    1. mamba
      mamba 23 October 2013 10: 24 New
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      Quote: Anubis Gorynych
      Then Sakharov, having moved to the USA, ..

      Did he move to the USA?
      1. 0255
        0255 23 October 2013 12: 01 New
        0
        Did he move to the USA?

        is not it so?
        1. mamba
          mamba 23 October 2013 17: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: 0255
          is not it so?

          Where does this information come from? Give me a link.
          Here are more details from the life of the academician: http://rusmirzp.com/2012/10/27/category/history/3967
  15. Alexey
    Alexey 23 October 2013 10: 16 New
    +8
    On the whole, I agree with the author in his assessment of the Sugar family and their actions. Just one moment about the T-15 torpedo. What is its humanitarian difference from a nuclear bomb? In my opinion, there is no fundamental difference.
    1. 0255
      0255 23 October 2013 13: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Alex
      On the whole, I agree with the author in his assessment of the Sugar family and their actions. Just one moment about the T-15 torpedo. What is its humanitarian difference from a nuclear bomb? In my opinion, there is no fundamental difference.

      not a specialist in nuclear weapons, but my opinion is that a nuclear explosion under water will bring more radioactive contamination to the ocean than a ground nuclear explosion. Underwater currents will spread radiation throughout the World Ocean.
      And another question about the T-15 - what would happen to a submarine from a blast wave of 100 MT? The blast wave wouldn't have hit her, or what? Remember dropping the "Tsar Bomb" in 60 MT, then the earth's axis shifted. Modern nuclear weapons are not as powerful, so there is a difference between the T-15 and conventional nuclear weapons.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 23 October 2013 20: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex
      What is its humanitarian difference from a nuclear bomb?
      Maybe we will also look for social differences? Or sexy? An atomic bomb, like any other, is ammunition for the destruction of enemy military infrastructure. Name such objects in the US coastal strip. These are the ones that require the use of ammunition of SUCH power (to destroy a naval base or a similar structure, standard naval 10 Kt will be enough). Well, after that it will be possible to talk about the "price of a child's tear" ... lol
    3. Volkhov
      Volkhov 31 October 2013 00: 46 New
      0
      The fundamental difference in power and possible synthesis of part of the sea water around, which will further increase power - the ice in comets explodes beautifully and melts stones for tens of kilometers.
  16. waisson
    waisson 23 October 2013 10: 29 New
    +2
    a man with a head but what was taken from him of an offended fate
  17. rexby63
    rexby63 23 October 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    Even at the very end of her life, she poured poison on Putin, subscribing to an appeal to Russian citizens “Putin must leave.”


    For some reason, recently I hear this phrase from the patriots of Russia, or people who position themselves as patriots. So you can get confused.
    Or maybe send to hell - and "patriots" and "bonners" and just live?
  18. Forest
    Forest 23 October 2013 10: 39 New
    +3
    Sakharov was an adequate person until he fell under the influence of "boners".
    By the way, an interesting article about boner http://brasc0.livejournal.com/20739.html
  19. Alex toll
    Alex toll 23 October 2013 10: 41 New
    +8
    I propose to write a collective complaint with the idea of ​​depriving all ranks, awards, and who is alive to plant at least until the end of life with confiscation of the property of such figures as Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Sakharov and the list can be extended at will))))) In the name of the President of the Russian Federation!
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 23 October 2013 12: 58 New
      +4
      I can tell you with 100% accuracy what the president will say to you, he has already said -------- ".... this is not the 37th year .." so sho, sorry, break off ... ...
  20. Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 23 October 2013 10: 45 New
    -6
    You read the comments and you are amazed. You can hate a person, but why turn everything upside down? How did Sakharov lead to the collapse of the USSR? Was it promoted? But where? - Abroad. This, of course, greatly contributed to his popularity with us - after all, we had these newspapers in the public domain, and every second read in English. And the radio was not jammed, of course. And think about it. In those years there was a propaganda war - we published our articles and broadcast our programs to the West (remember, Posner worked in foreign broadcasting). And what is characteristic, they did not jam the radio, and our newspapers in their language could be bought. And they did not press their dissidents like that. And we promoted them. But the result is well-known. "Chaos in heads, not closets"
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 23 October 2013 11: 22 New
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      Well, tell the horrors.
      In 1982, during the Gorky exile, artist Sergei Bocharov came to Sakharov to paint a portrait of the disgraced academician. During work - talked.
      “Sakharov did not see everything in black,” Bocharov said in an interview with Express Gazeta. - Andrei Dmitrievich sometimes even praised the USSR government for some successes. Now I don’t remember what exactly. But for every such remark he immediately received a slap in the face from his wife. While I was writing a sketch, Sakharov got at least seven times. At the same time, the world luminary resignedly cracked the cracks, and it was evident that he was used to them. ”
      The artist was indignant and painted a portrait of Elena Bonner on top of Sakharov’s image. When the woman looked at the picture, she became furious and immediately smeared the paint on the canvas with her hand. “I don’t want to draw a“ hemp, ”which repeats the thoughts of an evil wife, and even suffers beatings from her,” Bocharov explained. “And Bonner immediately kicked me out.” “Andrei Sakharov’s employees in the“ box ”do not like to remember Elena Georgievna,” emphasized his son Dmitry Sakharov. “They believe that if it weren’t for her, then perhaps Sakharov could have returned to science.”
    2. 225chay
      225chay 23 October 2013 11: 51 New
      0
      Quote: DoctorOleg
      How did Sakharov lead to the collapse of the USSR?


      he and especially his girlfriend Bonner-Alikhanyan contributed to the collapse and destruction ...
  21. Djozz
    Djozz 23 October 2013 10: 51 New
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    I remember how this SCAR was justified at the congress of the USSR Armed Forces, when one of the deputies demanded an explanation about his statement that, on the orders of the command of our troops in Afghanistan, the Soviet pilots bombed the camp with our prisoners of war captured by dushmans! When I asked where you got the information, I don’t remember the answer when it was, I don’t know the answer, I heard it like on Canadian radio! That bastard!
  22. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 23 October 2013 11: 02 New
    +4
    Such people always aroused some kind of briskness in me, I don’t know why, probably because they did not fight with the red-bellies, but with Russia. USSR or today's Russia where it was better dispute will probably be constantly. To be honest, I can be pecked at by the USSR, but today's Russia is not ice. Why is there always a choice between bad and very bad. All the former komunyaki who are luckier now in "united Russia" are those who are not in the pool remained in the Communist Party and quietly hate those who managed to steal and repainted. Both are on us ** army. But in reality, the same Vysotsky made a much larger komunyak for the collapse and at any moment he could toast in the west, but never in one interview, as he was provoked, did not stoop to vilify his country, did not even keep in his head to stay there, did not wander around radio voices. And these all kinds of Helsensk groups, Sakhorovs, they were ready to change such an impression for the opportunity to get out on some kind of freedom radio to find fault with the Motherland. Here I listen to these pi ** dors, their favorite topic is to discuss why they don't like us in the West, different versions of them say "we are wild, we have no democracy, we violate human rights" and they say all sorts of shit, and Pushkin answered his immortal work "Slanderers of Russia"
    And you hate us ...
    For what? answer: for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..
    1. Katsin1
      Katsin1 23 October 2013 15: 11 New
      -7
      And for some reason Russian patriots, who write with wild mistakes in Russian, cause disgust
  23. The gentleman
    The gentleman 23 October 2013 11: 28 New
    +3
    gentlemen, maybe cruel, maybe wrong, well, I still wonder how you can leave such people to talk, to live. I remember very well when the union collapsed, as everyone was afraid, no one knew what would happen tomorrow. Why are they just letting them open your mouth. there’s the same concept as treason to the Motherland. in addition to why these characters praise the Western system, if (Snowden, for example) a person reveals state secrets, shows all the rottenness of the system, disrespect for human rights, in the West they will at least put him on 100 (!) Years, well, or use the death penalty, and then e they give an opportunity to live ...
    1. Katsin1
      Katsin1 23 October 2013 15: 07 New
      -8
      What state secret did Sakharov reveal? The secrets of thermonuclear weapons? No, he revealed the "secret" that the Afghan war was a crime against the Soviet and Afghan peoples
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 23 October 2013 19: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: Katsin1
        that the Afghan war was a crime against the Soviet and Afghan peoples

        Israel is such a peace-loving state, already! Do you judge our affairs? Look in your reflection!
  24. Ulan
    Ulan 23 October 2013 11: 39 New
    +4
    I don't even want to comment. The article says everything correctly. It is not for nothing that these people were called "cryopreservationists" among the people.
  25. nod739
    nod739 23 October 2013 11: 50 New
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    Quote: Asgard
    There is no logic here, insult ...


    MDA uzhzh, Sakharov- and the Stalin Prize for hydrogen and the Nobel Peace Prize ...

    but there is logic, by the end of the 50s and 60s he realized the power of destruction of atomic weapons, and after the "Kuz'ka mother" began to openly, like many foreigners, shout about the threat hanging over all mankind. At 63 they signed an international treaty banning super-powerful charges. Well, then the insanity - the nonsense of the struggle for humanism and shitty creep out in the form in which we already know Sakhorov at the finish line of his path.
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  27. scientist
    scientist 23 October 2013 11: 58 New
    +3
    This "talented person" burned half of Semipalatinsk during the first explosion of a hydrogen bomb, which was detonated together with the plant just 90 km from the city.
  28. sdv68
    sdv68 23 October 2013 12: 10 New
    +4
    "Komsomolskaya Pravda" 02.03.1989/XNUMX/XNUMX. D. Sabov called to Boston.
    A few days ago, the editorial office received a copy of the Canadian newspaper Ottawa Citizen, which published a report on the press conference of Academician A. Sakharov and his wife E. Bonner in Canada. Among other things, it was stated that during the hostilities in Afghanistan, Soviet helicopters repeatedly opened fire on surrounded Soviet soldiers in order to avoid their capture.

    Komsomolskaya Pravda considered it of fundamental importance to obtain comprehensive explanations from Academician A. D. Sakharov on this matter. Throughout last night we tried to find him in Canada. We phoned Boston late in the evening. First question by phone:

    - Does the information of the Canadian newspaper on the content of your speech at the press conference correspond to reality.

    - .. I really recalled the facts when Soviet helicopters shot Soviet soldiers surrounded by them so that they could not surrender. These facts, judging by the testimonies of witnesses, took place. I was based on the evidence that I knew.

    - How do you know the facts of the destruction of the surrounded Soviet soldiers? Do you have any evidence?

    - I was based on reports from the Western press and radio stations. Unfortunately, I can’t give specific references to those people who can confirm this to the participants in the war. This statement is based on testimony, that’s all I can say.


    And here is the answer of the Afghans.




    And here is his speech on the podium of the congress of people's deputies.

  29. sdv68
    sdv68 23 October 2013 12: 31 New
    +1
    Western press about Sakharov: http://poltora-bobra.livejournal.com/566641.html



    Writer Mary Dawson (Canada)


    Writer Thorborg Nedreos (Norway)


    Writer Sebastian Hafner of Germany)
  30. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 23 October 2013 13: 46 New
    +1
    Another "dove of peace" and, also, a Nobel laureate, by the way.
  31. kNow
    kNow 23 October 2013 14: 21 New
    0
    Bonner ruined a man ...
    1. wax
      wax 23 October 2013 20: 44 New
      +1
      Well, if you beat him on the head all the time, it’s hard for a beaten man to keep his brain. There is such a torture, to drip drops of water on top of the head - a person is going crazy.
  32. Ddhal
    Ddhal 23 October 2013 14: 23 New
    +3
    Good article. Revolutionary The whole history of Russia resembles throwing in the corridor of social consciousness. We, gaining speed, rush to one wall, hit the whole scale, turn around and go to the other.
    Apparently, the wall where Sakharov was a hero is already behind us. At one time, he did a lot for the country, then came the far-flung compensation period in his life.
    Since Wang’s predictions come true periodically, our story has already been written down.
    Consequently, people like sugars and Gorbachev are just labeled grains of sand in the big watch ...
    Of course, this theory will seem to many too metaphysical and the process can be controlled ....
  33. Djozz
    Djozz 23 October 2013 14: 24 New
    +2
    I'm worried where the "Honest Jew" is, nothing happened!
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 23 October 2013 14: 36 New
      +1
      and the professor was gone. No, well, then one appeared, controlled!
      1. wax
        wax 23 October 2013 20: 47 New
        +3
        Silver pay.
  34. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 23 October 2013 14: 25 New
    +6
    no matter where you throw it — they are everywhere, their ears just stick out everywhere ... and why then blame Dostoevsky?
  35. Lesnik
    Lesnik 23 October 2013 14: 31 New
    0
    I wonder how it turns out, the Scientist lived for himself as a cheese inventor rolled an oil bomb invented and suddenly bang human rights activist?
  36. Katsin1
    Katsin1 23 October 2013 14: 51 New
    -2
    Now you understand why Niels Bohr formulated an aphorism: "There is a community in the world more terrible than a gangster: this is a community of scientists (... of a certain nationality ...)



    You just do not refer to Niels Bohr, he himself belonged to this particular nationality.
    You give us little rusachkov, little rusachkov ...
    I offer you a topic for an article: "The theory of relativity stolen by Einstein from the Russian scientist Vasily Petrov :-)
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 23 October 2013 15: 16 New
      +3
      Found in the garbage dump where Poincare threw her!
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 23 October 2013 21: 28 New
        +4
        I know there are sites where "Jewish surnames are highlighted in blue", but for a Jew the keyboard was initially set to "blue" - I happened to see it for the first time. what
  37. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 23 October 2013 14: 55 New
    +4
    Before, when he was still alive, I had a squeamish attitude, but now it is absolutely certain. In the Russian language for such people there is an accurate and capacious expression "bastard", more precisely, perhaps, you cannot say.
    1. 505506
      505506 24 October 2013 08: 20 New
      0
      I subscribe completely and entirely. And "the organizer of Russia" in the same list. Conscience of the nation, damn it.
  38. Altona
    Altona 23 October 2013 14: 58 New
    +4
    When I saw him on the rostrum of the Congress of Soviets, I was surprised by his senile weakness and poor imagination ... He was used as a doll and a screen for someone's interests, but he did not understand ... The Soviet government treated him too softly, allowing him to live in comfortable conditions , in a beautiful big city ... As a person, this is a blotter ... I can say the same about Solzhenitsyn ... Books are written in obscene pseudo-folk language, especially the notorious Ivan Denisovich, all around the "great writer" stylistic mistakes ... such creativity was mercilessly given a "deuce" at school ... As the orator is tongue-tied, he tried to sit on two chairs - a Slavophile and a Westerner ... In the ending, no one can even articulate what he wanted in the end ... What idea to convey ...
    1. Ivan Sirko
      Ivan Sirko 23 October 2013 21: 33 New
      0
      bully Avatar is gorgeous, patriotic. Two in one.
      1. Altona
        Altona 23 October 2013 21: 45 New
        +2
        Even three in one ... Altona is the call sign for the abolition of the invasion of the USSR in 1941, Stirlitz is partly a prototype of my fellow countryman intelligence Nikolai Kuznetsov ... Questions?
        1. Ivan Sirko
          Ivan Sirko 24 October 2013 00: 10 New
          -2
          The fourth drew. If Altona is the call sign for canceling the invasion of the USSR in 1941, then it turns out that Stalin + Hitler is friendship forever?
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      3. Altona
        Altona 23 October 2013 22: 09 New
        +1
        In general, I forgot to remind you that Kuznetsov was killed by the OUN people, so that you grind your teeth quite patriotically ...
        1. Ivan Sirko
          Ivan Sirko 23 October 2013 23: 17 New
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          They killed him like a German, although he seemed to have blown himself up with a grenade.
          That's what I’m talking about - whether he (Stirlitz) is a Nazi or intelligence officer.
  39. Jarserge
    Jarserge 23 October 2013 16: 01 New
    +3
    We will still learn the whole truth about these non-humans-Shevarnadze, Yakovlev, Sakharov, Gorbachev .... Kravchuk Shushkevichs and other Yeltsins
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 23 October 2013 19: 01 New
      0
      Comrades! you listen so the whole race goes mother alone Jews and all the bastards. and who writes the comments?
  40. pvv113
    pvv113 23 October 2013 17: 40 New
    +8
    SUCH SUGARS, LIKE SUGARS, GORBACHEV, YELTSIN, AND OTHER SPONSORED BY MEMBERS OF THE USA AND EUROPE, IT IS NECESSARY TO DESTROY ANOTHER IN THE GERM. OR, AS THE POSTCHIN POSTCHALIN SAID, TAKE IT TO THE POLYCLINIC FOR EXPERIENCE.
  41. Arkan
    Arkan 23 October 2013 18: 52 New
    +2
    There was information that this shifter, just in time for the 70s, ended as a scientist. Dead and x .. with him.
  42. Black
    Black 23 October 2013 19: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Ptah
    It was the struggle of the Jews against the USSR that became "the main element of the collapse of the Soviet regime."

    It would not be worth discussing the correctness and wrongfulness of Sapkharov into the plane of the meaning of Jewry in the history of the country, all the more so to raise this value to the ranks of dominants.
    Sakharov is an ambiguous figure ... the article did not remember how he and the "Afghans" at the congress tried to humiliate ...
    But, we admit, he will not hire and is not an ideological traitor, and certainly not a petty hooligan. He acted in accordance with his flawed worldview, which Bonner deftly formed. Back in 1975, Andrei Dmitrievich in an interview with "Komsomolskaya Pravda" said: "I am fully aware of my incompetence in matters of public life,"
    He was ideal for processing just like a full henpecked. The "rulers of this world" even trusted her to lead the congresses of people's deputies. Sits in a box, lowers his finger - the "democrats", blocking the issue, all the way out, picks up - everything is at the microphones, lobbying the interests of the overseas owners. She threw her husband, of course, to seize the stands. Against the background of the universal chaos, to the creation of which Sakharov made a significant contribution, it is even ridiculous to recall his "exiled torment": in a comfortable apartment, he was allowed to appeal to the "world community" with calls to use biological means of destruction and starvation against us, to declare hunger strikes and strikes.
  43. Sour
    Sour 23 October 2013 20: 56 New
    +1
    Sakharov once saw alive, purely by accident. At close range.
    I will not comment on him as a person, for I am not familiar with him.
    As a scientist he did a lot for the country.
    But as a public figure and politician he worked to the detriment of our people and the state.
    He did not fight communism, he fought Russia.
    I myself am an opponent of socialism and communism, and I have never hidden it. But I am an even greater opponent such as Sakharov.
  44. jjj
    jjj 23 October 2013 21: 23 New
    0
    Something today the Zionists boiled over. Why would they so actively monitor Runet? Some kind of dirty trick is preparing, apparently.
    And according to Sakharov. Here the scheme was as follows. Through certain people, he was given information that the CIA would like to push through. Sakharov voiced this information. And all the "progressive world media" referring to this authoritative opinion spread around the world. The scheme worked well.
    And in Gorky, the Committee protected Sakharov from becoming a "sacred victim."
    Now on Channel One, another "lover of truth" - Yevtushenko flirts
  45. Ivan Sirko
    Ivan Sirko 23 October 2013 21: 31 New
    -7
    Strange you, Russian-imperial "patriots" - the country gave birth to a truly Russian hero, a genius who did a lot for your imaginary greatness, a laureate of the Stalin, Lenin, Nobel prizes, and you spit on him, miserable.
    1. Sour
      Sour 23 October 2013 21: 42 New
      +2
      You yourself are wretched, pan Svidomo. Wretched and dead. With your farm concepts do not value Russia.
      1. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 23 October 2013 23: 05 New
        0
        Svidomy - in Russian conscious, aware. Following the logic, you, pan communist, do not belong to this category of people.
        I have the right to evaluate, even with "farm concepts", because I am free in my statements.
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 23 October 2013 22: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivan Sirko
      miserable.

      It depends on how to interpret the word-U GOD. Well, okay, in your understanding, or rather under your fingers, this (in your mind) is an insult. True, your opinion is secondary to me. But your nickname (or name?) Is interesting. It turns out that you are the famous "ataman"! Let's turn to the history of the birth of this character. I quote: "... According to legend, when this baby was born, the midwives began to shout, and the mother lost consciousness. The clerk, who came to baptize the child, refused to take him in his arms - He made the sign of the cross from afar and ran away. But the one who frightened everyone did not cry. He lay on the table and played with a piece of cake, and then ate it in front of the frightened parents - the boy was born with teeth.
      According to legend, the appearance of a toothy baby meant that a future killer was born, frightened villagers advised parents to get rid of the child. But the boy was saved by his father - he brought the child to the crowd and solemnly said: "With these teeth he will gnaw enemies!" Then no one knew yet - the Ukrainian devil was born ... ".
      Quote: Ivan Sirko
      your imaginary greatness
      And about this .., but figs with him! Tryndite what you want. Let's survive.
      1. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 23 October 2013 23: 09 New
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        Then no one knew yet - the Ukrainian devil was born ...

        Well, yes there is a Ukrainian devil. but there is no Ukraine. And the people seem to be one ... All this is strange. lol
    3. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 24 October 2013 01: 38 New
      -1
      Yes .., the primitive rolls over! It’s necessary to pour so much dirt on one of the most worthy and daring of that time .. It’s sad all this ..
      1. them
        them 25 October 2013 18: 47 New
        0
        What is so worthy that it was necessary to do so that the area in the city of Washington would be named after you? Sakharov Plaza! And this is at the height of the Cold War. The same square where the Soviet embassy is located! That which was insanely brave is yes. Just exactly what is crazy. AcadEmik would see what his frenzy contributed to ... But I think I really wanted the best. I would be engaged in my science.
  46. Vadim2013
    Vadim2013 23 October 2013 21: 35 New
    -3
    In vain you attack Academician Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov. A person had the right to have his own opinion on various political issues and to defend it.
    The USSR was destroyed by the People’s Deputies of the USSR, who, under the USSR constitution, had all power in the USSR at the CONGRESS OF PEOPLE'S DEPUTIES OF THE USSR, which was the highest organ of state power in the 1989-1991 years and headed the unified system of representative authorities in the Soviet Union. The Fifth Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR took place in early September 1991, after the August events in Moscow. The congress adopted the law "On State Administration and Administration of the USSR in the Transition Period", which no longer provided for the preservation of the Congress of People's Deputies in the structure of state power, and self-dissolved instead of deciding on the arrest of M.S. Gorbachev and all those who signed the Bialowieza Agreement .
    Most people's deputies of the USSR were members of the CPSU.
    On December 26, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a declaration on the termination of the existence of the USSR.
  47. Selevc
    Selevc 23 October 2013 21: 41 New
    +3
    Sakharov may have been a famous scientist - although his genius seems to me greatly inflated by the democratic media !!! But his whole life is actually the story of the scoundrel from the 5th column !!! At the time of his scientific youth, he made full use of all the blessings given to him by the Country and subsequently he himself has defiled this country !!! I think from the very beginning of his scientific career he lived not in a hut and not in Khrushchev, but in a decent house, which was usually reserved for the scientific elite, he received Stalin and Lenin prizes - which I think are sickly grandmothers + a car out of turn, special pay, free travel to any point of the USSR, rest in an expensive resort, etc. etc. Now, if he was such a principled fighter with the system - so it was necessary to refuse all this !!! And if you criticize, then criticize specific people with their surnames and not their system and country as a whole ... He did not have the courage to criticize specifically, but when the USSR began to actively destroy it, he was in the front ranks of dissatisfied destroyers !!!
  48. Bosk
    Bosk 23 October 2013 22: 40 New
    0
    Sakharov did a lot of good for the Union, unfortunately at the end of his life he did a lot and bad for his country, it’s not for us to judge him. God is his judge, sooner or later everyone will be rewarded according to his deserts.
  49. grapefruit
    grapefruit 23 October 2013 23: 07 New
    0
    The article is actually not new. In 1983-1984 in the magazine "Man and the Law" (unfortunately for which month I do not remember the magazine) there was an article of exactly this content. Only this article deals with Sakharov's shitty toys. And in the ChiZ article, Bonner's personality was very thoroughly understood - she simply threw a dullard in life, but a strong enough scientist, this is madam.
  50. baku1999
    baku1999 23 October 2013 23: 54 New
    +1
    CASE OF THE PAST, IT IS SAKHAROV SUGGESTED TO STALIN TO EXPLODE THE ATOMIC BOMB IN THE ATLANTIC, IN order for the TSUNAMI to wash away the INDOS .......................