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Artillery complex Oto Melara Davide / Strales with a guided DART projectile

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In June, the Italian company Oto Melara (part of the Finmeccanica group) 2013, together with the Italian Navy, conducted successful tests of the Davide / Strales naval artillery complex with a DART guided missile (Driver Ammunition reduce Time of flight). Tests have shown that the shells from the first production batch fully comply with the requirements and therefore can be taken into service. Successful tests of DART serial projectiles can be considered the beginning of a new stage in the development of naval weapons. The Davide complex with DART ammunition is the first serial ship-mounted artillery, using guided projectiles.




During the first stage of test firing, the corvette Comandante Foscari fired ten DART shells at a target located at a distance of 5 kilometers. A steel sphere with a diameter of 1,5 meters, located on the coast at a height of several meters from the ground, was used as a conditional target. According to reports, eight out of ten shells exploded in the immediate vicinity of the conventional target and hit her with their fragments. The second stage of test firing meant firing at an air target simulating a maneuvering anti-ship missile. During the time that the shooting was carried out, the training target approached the ship from 5 to 3 kilometers. The control system of the complex Davide / Strales was able to bring all ten shells to the target. The distance between the projectiles and the target was sufficient to hit the latter with fragments.

Thus, in the course of firing at fixed and moving targets, it was found that the DART shells of the first production batch fully meet the requirements of the customer, which allows starting the full use of the new ammunition, as well as offering it for deliveries to third countries.

The Davide complex (name for the supply of the Italian Navy) or Strales (export designation) is a set of technical tools installed on Oto Melara Super Rapid artillery guns of 76 mm caliber. The complex includes a fire control system with a radar station manufactured by Selex Galileo. The station is used to search for targets and control the DART projectile. According to reports, it is currently expected to equip the Davide / Strales complex with new Thales Nederland PHAROS radar and radar control systems. It is expected that such refinement will significantly increase the potential of the complex, since the passive phased antenna array is used in the new radar station. In addition, the PHAROS radar is installed on ships as a separate module and therefore does not require significant re-equipment of artillery installations already on the ship. As a result, it is intended to ensure the compatibility of the Davide / Strales complex with the Oto Melara artillery systems of old models having a suitable caliber.

The main element of the Davide / Strales artillery complex is the DART guided missile. Creating a promising ammunition began in the late nineties, commissioned by the Italian Navy. The project was supposed to create a universal projectile caliber 76 mm, able to effectively hit surface and air targets. In order to fulfill all customer requirements, Oto Melara has applied an original technical solution. The DART projectile is subcaliber, the actual diameter of its body is 40 mm. The ammunition is made according to the aerodynamic scheme "duck". In its tail part there is a fixed plumage with six stabilizers. In the middle part there are movable rudders mounted on a rotating ring. After exiting the barrel and separating the pallet, the rudders open and control the flight of the projectile.

Artillery complex Oto Melara Davide / Strales with a guided DART projectile


In the head of the projectile installed part of the control equipment, including the steering wheel drives, and the fuse. The receiver of control signals, in turn, is located in the tail section of the munition, inside the tail unit. The tail part of the body is given under the warhead. To hit a target, a DART projectile carries 2,5 kg of finished tungsten alloy fragments. The mass of the charge of the warhead was not called. Of particular interest is the fuse of a new ammunition. According to reports, this system can operate in six modes, providing undermining of the warhead after contact with the target, with deceleration, at a distance from the target, etc. In the remote blasting mode, the projectile uses its own radar target sensor, the principle of operation of which is borrowed from the corresponding anti-aircraft missile systems.

DART projectile is controlled by a radar station. The control radar coordinates its actions with the ship tracking station and highlights the target. At a distance of about 800 meters from the ship, the projectile enters the control beam of the radar and is automatically held there. If necessary, the ship's system can give a signal to undermine the warhead at the right time.

Perhaps the most interesting feature of the DART projectile is its maneuverable characteristics. It is precisely the maintenance of the required resistance to overloads that led to a number of technical difficulties. However, Oto Melara specialists were able to solve the problems that occurred. The initial velocity of the sabot projectile after leaving the barrel is 1100 m / s. This speed allows the ammunition to maintain high maneuverability at long range from the ship. So, at a distance of more than 100 meters from the artillery, the projectile is capable of maneuvering with longitudinal overload of about 50 units. At a distance of 2000 meters from the gun, the maximum overload is reduced to 35. After 5,5 km, a DART projectile can maneuver with an overload of up to 20 units and up to 12,5 after flying a distance of 8 km. Thus, the DART projectile in a wide range of distances exceeds all existing and prospective short-range anti-aircraft missiles in maneuverability. At the same time, it is alleged that the Davide / Strales artillery system is cheaper than the corresponding class of ship-borne air defense systems.



The Davide / Strales complex with a DART projectile can effectively hit modern maneuvering anti-ship missiles at a distance of about 5 kilometers. The maximum range of shooting at targets that do not require active maneuvering is 25 km. According to available data, the main method of using new ammunition is shooting at modern anti-ship missiles from an effective range. At the same time, it is claimed that the destruction of one missile before the passage of the 2 km boundary from the ship would require a queue of no more than five shells. The tests, which took place in June of this year, have shown that in some conditions a lower consumption of ammunition is possible.

To date, Oto Melara has manufactured and supplied to the Italian Navy ten artillery mounts of Super Rapid equipped with Davide equipment. Another six sets of equipment installed on existing artillery installations of suitable types. In addition, Oto Melara is currently assembling around 10-15 artillery mounts, which in the near future will be installed on ships under construction and on upgrades. The carriers of the Davide complex are or will be frigates of the types FREMM and Horizon, as well as the aircraft carrier Cavour. Also, a number of artillery complexes in the export version are ordered by Colombia, where they will be installed on modernized frigates of the type Almirante Padilla. The company-developer expects new orders from other countries.


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  1. tlauicol
    tlauicol 23 October 2013 09: 11 New
    +5
    The result of the fragmentation of the steel sphere used as a target by a 76-mm adjustable DART projectile of the Oto Melara Strales (Davide) naval artillery system during the firing of ammunition of the first production batch off the coast of Sicily in June 2013 (c) Oto Melara
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 25 October 2013 08: 53 New
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      This sphere from the inside seems to have been amazed! laughing
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 23 October 2013 09: 13 New
    +3
    Shooting was carried out in June 2013 at a range off the coast of Sicily with the Italian corvette P 493 Comandante Foscari
  3. _KM_
    _KM_ 23 October 2013 11: 55 New
    +2
    If I'm not mistaken, then in the 80s and 90s, Italians tried to develop a ZSU with a 76 mm gun. Perhaps the novelty used some of the developments.
  4. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 23 October 2013 14: 48 New
    +1
    Yeah, this self-propelled gun was somewhere in the Foreign Military Review. Incidentally, the gun can be more effective than our daggers and broadswords. Although 5km of basalt can be overpowered in a few seconds, Interenzo how the anti-aircraft gun can handle it.
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2013 15: 37 New
      +1
      Can’t do it. This anti-aircraft gun is suitable only for shooting subsonic missiles.
      It is completely ineffective against supersonic missiles.
  5. _KM_
    _KM_ 23 October 2013 17: 29 New
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    Why? By the maturity of the SLA or by striking sv-you?
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2013 18: 02 New
      +3
      And according to the capabilities of the OMS and the striking properties and firing range. Everything has already been written to become. Unless they forgot to indicate that the speed of the target was 800 km / h.
      Moreover, the rapprochement was from 5 km to 3.
      We increase the speed by 2 times and we get the defeat of the target at a distance of 1-1,5 km. This may already be sufficient to cover the target with debris and burning rocket fuel. This is a speed of 1600 km / h.
      We introduce rocket maneuvering during an attack. As a result, the shells do not have time to perform the required maneuver or cannot do this in terms of strength parameters. How much is the projectile's strength and permissible loads when firing at anti-ship missiles performing maneuvering in 3 planes when attacking a target even with 10g? What should be the power of processors to track such anti-ship missiles during maneuvering and development of correction commands for shells? And if the RCC maneuvers in a pseudo-random way, when even the rocket developers cannot say what the rocket will do and at what point it will be? How long will it take to predict the estimated location of such RCC? But for every second a missile can travel 1 km (there are also such missiles). Good - even at 0,5 km / s.
      We increase the speed of the rocket by 3 times - 2400 km / h (conditionally Mosquito) (target of the 1980 model)
      Given the reaction time, most likely the target will not be hit.
      Enter the armored anti-ship missiles. As a result, we get 0 damage from shell fragments due to missile booking and the inability to hit the target.
      Introduces anti-ship missiles with an installed EW station operating to jam the firing radar operating on it. Result - the gun mount cannot shoot, as it is clogged with noise and the radio control channel for shells is also clogged with noise. In the end, RCC hits the target that is not fired at all.

      You can still write a lot, only already written is enough to understand that this project is a proto project of cutting grandmas.
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 23 October 2013 22: 28 New
        +1
        I am not so categorical, "axes" are likely to be knocked down, they are relatively slow, but "Vulkan-M" is very doubtful. hi
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2013 23: 35 New
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          But in vain, that is not so categorical. It's just that there are no hatchets in the Russian Navy. And all weapons are designed and created to counter the enemy.
          That is to us, Russia. And what are our anti-ship missiles? That's it ...
          That is, the Italians created an excellent artillery installation for the 1973 war. For shooting at "P-15". But in the 2010s, this is a completely outdated gun mount in terms of combating anti-ship missiles. Here, perhaps, she will be able to fire at the Malachites. And then there is no guarantee that it will get. But the number of nostels of these RCCs is gradually decreasing.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 24 October 2013 07: 38 New
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            Well, Uranus is subsonic. Half Caliber Subsonic. Papuans add. So - that Italians should not be considered fools for what they do better than us. And with the rest Aster 15/30 will cope
            1. Denis_469
              Denis_469 24 October 2013 13: 05 New
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              And what do they do better than us? From this place in more detail please.

              Gauges are not subsonic - they have the 3rd stage supersonic. Subsonic only stubs for NATO torpedo tubes.

              Well, carriers of "Uranus" are unlikely to participate in the first battles. There will be completely different missiles, against which that there is this gun mount, that it is not - there is no difference.

              As for the Asters, as soon as they show themselves in battle, it will be possible to say something. Aegis showed himself in 2003 so that after that ships with this system are no longer allowed into potentially dangerous areas alone.

              And about the Papuans - who are they? Against whom can they be used? All Papuans have already captured the NATO. Not the Papuans left.

              What I wrote here about this gun mount was known in the USSR so in 1991. Therefore, such projects were not promoted very actively, because the output from them was almost zero.
      2. postman
        postman 25 October 2013 00: 06 New
        +1
        give me a sec
        Quote: Denis_469
        Unless they forgot to indicate that the speed of the target was 800 km / h.

        ? where are the "firewoods" from?
        Rate of fire "Super Rapido" (since 1988 in service) 120 rounds per minute, ie. 2 shots per second
        All ten the shells were launched by the guidance system to the target at a distance, sufficient for triggering a programmable proximity fuse 3A Plus.Conditionally 10 times the target is hit.

        5000-3000 = 2000m at this interval, 10 shells were delivered to the target with a rate of fire of 2 shots per second, ie in 5 seconds = 10 shells
        The target during this time flew 2000 m.
        TOTAL SIMULATOR SPEED 400m / s 400 m / s = 1440 km / h (average of course), calculated.
        In fact, there should be about 1000km / h = 278 m / s

        Quote: Denis_469
        We increase the speed by 2 times and we get the defeat of the target at a distance of 1-1,5 km.

        with what fright?

        mission: to resist attack of several subsonic missiles from a distance of 6000m to 1000 meters.
        1. against subsonic (for now)
        2. If they are adapted for the North-West, it will simply deliver not 10 shells to the target, but 5 or 3.

        Quote: Denis_469
        targets at a distance of 1-1,5 km. This may already be sufficient to cover the target with debris and burning rocket fuel.


        nonsense, from 1500 m you can try to "cover" the proton-M with "debris" and the remnants of fuel ... if you get in. nothing will happen

        Quote: Denis_469
        How much is the projectile's strength and permissible loads when firing at anti-ship missiles performing maneuvering in 3 planes when attacking a target even with 10g?

        1. in which 3? She (RCC) goes on PMV (10-15 m)
        SHE AND 2x planes do not maneuver BASU and RGGSN for this simply are not calculated (The maximum search angle of the target - ± 45 °)
        2. what are 10 g? Longitudinal? on the acceleration section, probably, but at the final stage of the flight ..... transverse?
        1. postman
          postman 25 October 2013 00: 09 New
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          Quote: Denis_469
          We introduce rocket maneuvering during an attack.

          enter: the speed will decrease, the mass of the rocket (strength) will increase, the flow in the nozzle may stall (gurgle), put a new BASU (Krey?) and RLGSN (based on AFAR?) MIG-7000. Should I?
          Quote: Denis_469
          What should be the power of processors

          Aegis computer is quite enough to track targets at speeds of CLOSE (or equal) 1 space at ranges of up to 3000 km.
          SHIP is not anti-ship missiles, there is enough space and energy

          Quote: Denis_469
          And if the RCC maneuvers in a pseudo-random manner

          then it (RCC) will gurgle into a wave, or it will lose its target, and all "pseudo-randomness" for 1000-2000kg of body at 2M cannot HAPPEN INSTANTLY !!
          Meanwhile, EVERY second 2 shells
          Quote: Denis_469
          But for every second a rocket can travel 1 km (there are such missiles)

          what are these?
          Quote: Denis_469
          Given the reaction time, most likely the target will not be hit.

          strange diagnosis.
          Quote: Denis_469
          Enter the armored anti-ship missiles.

          ? Fuck.
          1. we get 10-15 tons of anti-ship missiles (ARMOR WILL HAVE TO DISCOVER TO 2 M). WHO DOES IT NEED? CARRIER? HOW MUCH RCC? LOGISTICS
          2. the central cone of the air intake, in which the blocks of the control system, the antenna of the radar homing station and the warhead are placed

          Will you "book" the same Aerodynamic surfaces?
          ALL anti-ship missiles MUST be the same: "all internal volumes of the rocket, including the air path of the ramjet engine, are used for cruising fuel"
          = we get BLIND RCC (without RLGSN) weighing 20000 kg.
          who needs? Are there any applicants?
          1. postman
            postman 25 October 2013 00: 10 New
            +1
            But
            Quote: Denis_469
            As a result, we get 0 damage from shell splinters due to missile reservation and the impossibility of hitting a target.

            the impossibility of hitting a target. -This is key: your armored armored personnel carrier will never hit anyone, and it will be fired on ballistic, like a shell: an E4 square (1kmx1km) is permissible
            and it (armored anti-ship missiles) will be hit by 2,5 kg of warhead (with tungsten cubes), with a blast speed of 1200 m / s + explosive blasting speed, which will accelerate tungsten cubes + counter-velocity of anti-ship missiles = as a result HYPERSONIC tungsten damaging elements, I think T-90 will be sewn
            Quote: Denis_469
            Introduces anti-ship missiles with an installed electronic warfare jamming jamming radar station

            COMPARISON THE SIZES OF THE RCC AND THE SPLIT / MEASURES OF THE FRIGATE, COMPARE THE POWER OF THE BIP RCC AND THE POWER OF THE STATE Frigate GSU, and? and forget about this masahism.
            Quote: Denis_469
            Result - the gun mount cannot shoot, as it is clogged with interference and the radio channel

            Of course, a 40-watt bulb completely hammered with its interference 1 lamp spotlight
            Quote: Denis_469
            You can write a lot more

            Let's run the fantasy further, it’s interesting to read her more.

            Quote: Denis_469
            That this project is a proto project of cutting grandmas.

            WHICH AND WHOSE? Have you mixed up with the Russian Defense Ministry?
            http://zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?source=EPZ&
            notificationId = 7226765

            http://zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?source=EPZ&
            notificationId = 7226753


            Well, in principle, the price tag (per piece) here
            http://www.glockmeister.com/GLOCK-17-Gen-4/productinfo/G17GEN4/
            ================================
            I don’t really understand how from the RETAIL PRICE in 549d. the USA gets a special. WHOLESALE price for the RF Ministry of Defense is 5 EUR
            ??
            OTO MELARA is part of Finmeccanica SpA, the largest shareholder of which is the Italian Ministry of Economy and Finance (30,2%).
            It Public Joint Stock Company

            Whose "loot" are they "sawing" ?????
  6. Denis_469
    Denis_469 25 October 2013 00: 41 New
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    Quote: Postman
    ? where are the "firewoods" from?


    Yes there were.

    Quote: Postman
    5000-3000 = 2000m in this interval, 10 shells were delivered to the target with a rate of fire of 2 shots per second, i.e. in 5 seconds = 10 shells The target flew 2000 m during this time. TOTAL SIMULATOR SPEED 400m / s 400 m / s = 1440 km / h (on average, of course), calculated. In fact, it should be about 1000 km / h = 278 m / s


    Arithmetic is not true. The next shot does not occur earlier than the previous projectile will be removed at 800-900 meters and will not begin to be controlled. That is 1 in / sec, if not less.

    Quote: Postman
    with what fright?

    The response of the gun mount is 2,8 seconds from the moment the team receives it until it’s ready to fire and produce 1 shot without using the UAS. When shooting at a maneuvering target, the calculation of the point of the probabilistic place of the target is still required. This is another 4-5 seconds. And the rocket meanwhile flies.

    Quote: Postman
    nonsense, from 1500 m you can try to "cover" the proton-M with "debris" and the remnants of fuel ... if you get in. nothing will happen

    I think that "Monsoon" will not agree with you. The target was turned into debris at a greater distance. And yet the missile covered the target.

    Quote: Postman
    1. in which 3? She (RCC) goes on the PMV (10-15 m) IT AND 2 then the planes do not maneuver the BASU and the RLGSN for this simply are not designed (The maximum search angle of the target is ± 45 °) 2. what 10 g? Longitudinal? on the acceleration section, probably, but at the final stage of the flight ..... transverse?

    The very ones that are inherent in our anti-ship missiles as maneuvers of evading means of destruction of ships and destructive aviation.
  7. Denis_469
    Denis_469 25 October 2013 00: 49 New
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    Quote: Postman
    enter: the speed will decrease, the mass of the rocket (strength) will increase, the flow in the nozzle may stall (gurgle), put a new BASU (Krey?) and RLGSN (based on AFAR?) MIG-7000. Should I?


    Such a rocket is necessary. Neither the Granites nor the Volcanoes for some reason do not crash. And they don’t especially lose speed.

    Quote: Postman
    Aegis computer is quite enough to track targets at speeds of CLOSE (or equal) 1 space at ranges up to 3000 km. SHIP is not anti-ship missiles, there is enough space and energy

    Only in a real war, Aegis's capabilities were not enough to repel 2 P-4 missile salvos from 15 Project 2 missile boats. For some reason, 205 missiles hit the target.
    And the Americans don't tell much about the 2003 war either. In terms of whom the "P-15" hit. And the hits were seen even from the shore. The Americans are silent.

    Quote: Postman
    then it (RCC) will gurgle into a wave, or it will lose its target, and all the "pseudo-randomness" for 1000-2000kg of body at 2M cannot HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY !! And at this time EVERY second 2 shells

    Does not gurgle and does not lose. And the shells will go into milk.

    Quote: Postman
    strange diagnosis.

    Nothing strange - reaction time. Both gun mounts and shipborne detection and target designation systems.

    Quote: Postman
    1. we get 10-15 tons of anti-ship missiles (THE ARMOR WILL HAVE TO ACCELERATE TO 2 M). WHO DOES IT NEED? CARRIER? HOW MUCH RCC? LOGISTICS 2. the central cone of the air intake, in which the control system units, the antenna of the homing radar and the warhead are placed

    But tell Granita about it. Probably your reasoning will be interesting to this rocket.

    Quote: Postman
    The same "book" AERodynamic surfaces? ALL ASM MUST be the same: "all internal volumes of the rocket, including the air path of the ramjet engine, are used for cruising fuel" = we get a BLIND ASM (without RLGSN) weighing 20000 kg. Who needs it? Are there applicants?

    As a result, we get the type of Granite-2. A missile that possesses this and flies and hits the target. Oddly enough for you.
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  8. Denis_469
    Denis_469 25 October 2013 00: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Postman
    the impossibility of hitting a target. - this is key: your armored PKR will never hit anyone, and it will be fired on ballistic like a projectile: an E4 square (1kmx1km) is permissible (armored anti-ship missiles) it will hit 2,5 kg of a warhead (with tungsten cubes), with a speed of undermining 1200 m / s + explosive blasting speed of the explosive, which will accelerate tungsten cubes + oncoming speed RCC = as a result, HYPERSONIC tungsten damaging elements, I think T-90 will flash

    And how many cases of P-15 defeat by Italian 76-mm fragments were from those about 50-60 cases of shelling of rockets from artillery mounts? The answer is a bit. And how many missiles were shot down by fragments? The correct answer is one. And this is not armored anti-ship missiles, and it’s straight-forward. Now ask yourself why this is so.

    Quote: Postman
    COMPARISON THE SIZES OF THE RCC AND THE SPLIT / MEASURES OF THE FRIGATE, COMPARE THE POWER OF THE BIP RCC AND THE POWER OF THE STATE Frigate GSU, and? and forget about this masahism.

    Granite may again disagree with you.

    Quote: Postman
    Let's run the fantasy further, it’s interesting to read her more.

    Fantasy is with you. And I take examples from real RCC. Those that are already in service. And those that are still being designed. I just can tell you for information that indignation can not be a bad thing at all in this case.
    All information provided is from real existing missiles. Naturally, from different.

    I just know this, but you don’t. Because you are on the rampage and climb.
    1. postman
      postman 25 October 2013 04: 13 New
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      Quote: Denis_469
      All information provided is from real existing missiles.

      So bring, for the sake of interest, at least something.
      What you write (broadcast) is crap, fantasies ("Broken shield and sword (I don't remember)" is the same crap.
      but yes there is (there was another "special" here):
      http://topwar.ru/22785-sovetskie-boevye-mashiny-s-200-v-irake.html
      (oddly enough, a bunch of "other specialists" with a clever look barked: yes it was when I (we) served)
      Quote: Denis_469
      I just know this, but you don’t

      vague doubts torment me that this is not so
      Quote: Denis_469
      but you don’t. Because you are on the rampage and climb.

      I do not know a lot of things, but about the "goose":
      1.not where I do not climb, but comment (deny) stupid statements
      2. it already happened, the same whistlers: "if there is war tomorrow, boom to fight on foreign territory"
      You should not forget how "boom" is, until 1944 everyone tried to start fighting there, on a foreign
      ===============
      everything that you there (above) bring: fairy tales, legends and distortions ..
      I especially liked:
      Quote: Denis_469
      the next shot does not occur earlier than the previous shell is removed by 800-900 meters and will not start to be controlled.

      1200m / s at cut, STERLBE TEMP 2 rounds per minute, REPEAT since 1988 "Super Rapido"
      AT 600 m will be removed (less slightly) DART
      EVEN here they distorted and lied, and this is in NO way connected with "will begin to be controlled"
      These are physics, mechanics, restrictions on the operation of automation and the inability of the system.
      but about the P-15, armored granites, "evasion maneuvers from fighter aircraft" (at 10-15 m above sea level) and there is no point in thinking, OPPPORTUNIZ is pure water
  9. Denis_469
    Denis_469 25 October 2013 00: 58 New
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    Quote: Postman
    Whose "loot" are they "sawing" ?????


    Stockholders. No matter whose money, because you can cut any.
    1. postman
      postman 25 October 2013 03: 58 New
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      Quote: Denis_469
      Stockholders. No matter whose money, because you can cut any

      You would try, and I would look.
      Have you been to a shareholders meeting at least once in your life?
      (not our bullshit ones), but real ones. I feel no. Although Haley read at your leisure, not realities, but very close
  10. Denis_469
    Denis_469 25 October 2013 04: 55 New
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    Quote: Postman
    So bring, for the sake of interest, at least something.



    So I brought already higher. If you want to read the descriptions of each rocket specifically, then look for this yourself. I don’t do such things.

    Quote: Postman
    vague doubts torment me that this is not so

    Extra confirmation of the correctness of my words.

    Quote: Postman
    1.not where I do not climb, but comment (deny) stupid statements

    You have not disproved anything. You just showed your own stupidity. And no more than that.

    Quote: Postman
    everything that you there (above) bring: fairy tales, legends and distortions ..

    To your regret, this is true. Another thing is that she is not known to you, but these are only your personal problems that do not interest me.


    Quote: Postman
    1200m / s at cut, STERLBE TEMP 2 rounds per minute, REPEAT since 1988 "Super Rapido"

    Yes, Italians have such a modification. So much she gives unguided shells. But UASami no such rate of fire.

    Quote: Postman
    AT 600 m will be removed (less a little) DART EVEN here they distorted and lied, and this is in NO way connected with "will start to be controlled"

    To your personal regret, you're lying here.

    Quote: Postman
    but about the P-15, armored granites, "evasion maneuvers from fighter aircraft" (at 10-15 m above sea level) and there is no point in thinking, OPPPORTUNIZ is pure water

    No, this is not opportunism - this is only your personal stupidity and stupidity. And nothing more. And about 10-15 meters I did not write anything. You invented maneuvering at such heights. Themselves invented - yourself and answer. I don’t need to attribute your own nonsense.

    Quote: Postman
    You would try, but I would look. At least once in your life you attended a meeting of shareholders? (Not our bullshit), but real ones. I feel no. Although Haley read at your leisure, not realities, but very close

    It happened. And more than once. Even business plans to withdraw factories from bankruptcy have been brought forward to protect the owners of enterprises.
    According to your previous words, I see that you have a lot of aplomb, and knowledge to a minimum. Therefore, I’ll tell you that I worked as an anti-crisis agent and I have 2 factories that were withdrawn from bankruptcy and 1 enterprise that entered the new market.
    I did not work with savages from the west. Worked only with domestic enterprises.
    1. postman
      postman 25 October 2013 11: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Denis_469
      So I brought already higher

      What led then? This nonsense ?:
      Quote: Denis_469
      ... In terms of whom the "P-15" hit. And they even saw the hits
      and this one
      Quote: Denis_469
      Enter the armored anti-ship missiles.

      ??
      I gave you a link! Urgent keyboard and article for topvar: "How I shot down Arlie Burke in 2003 in Mediterranean". RENT 100%
      Quote: Denis_469
      Extra confirmations

      YES that you don't know anything.
      Quote: Denis_469
      To your personal regret, you're lying here.

      Math is lying, it turns out, not me. Mathematics at grade 5.
      Quote: Denis_469
      Your personal stupidity and stupidity.
      Do not be nervous, don’t get personal, (WHERE ARE THE APPOLON WHERE WHERE? WHERE IS CONTROL OBJECTIVE? - it was an apploon, there is such a controller here)
      Quote: Denis_469
      And about 10-15 meters I did not write anything.

      NATURALLY, but you, as a "specialist" in anti-ship missiles, should know the modes of their flight, at least for the literature ...
      Or? .A understood:
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      when shooting at anti-ship missiles performing maneuvering in 3 planes when attacking a target even with 10g? TO

      Did you mean these evolutions on the accelerating section 120-450 km from the target?
      Perhaps, perhaps, only nafuya?
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      There were even business plans to withdraw plants from bankruptcy to protect

      Do not rave.
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      that you have a lot of aplomb, but minimum knowledge.

      Well, can we show each other personal income tax, and extracts from the register of shareholders?
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      I did not work with savages from the west.

      it's manic, you need therapy
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      Worked only with domestic enterprises.

      I say: bullshit joint stock companies.
      Trying to copy like
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      With savages from the west.

      with a national touch of originality, the attempt is not always successful.
  11. Florist
    Florist 2 August 2014 13: 24 New
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    Decent art system.