Military Review

Weapon of Last Hope

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Being in a hostile environment, Israel will never give up its nuclear sword.


Perhaps not a single topic about Israel is shrouded in such a mist of secrets and omissions as the question of possessing a nuclear weapons This country, which remains outside the framework of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), opened for signature in 1968. In their statements, Israeli officials never confirm, but do not deny that Israel has nuclear weapons, and information about its nuclear weapons and plans for their possible use remains closed, not officially recognized and isolated from other events in the life of the country.

At the same time, the overwhelming majority of experts of the international community are convinced that Israel has nuclear weapons. Anyone’s doubts were finally dispelled on October 5 1986, when the newspaper The Sunday Times of London published an interview with a former employee of the Israeli atomic research center in Dimona Mordechai Vanunu, in which he spoke about the nuclear weapons program in Israel, accompanying his interview with photographs taken on the territory of the atomic center in Dimona.

This article covers aspects related to Israel’s nuclear program, its nuclear weapons and its nuclear strategy.

Nuclear program

Israel’s nuclear program was launched in the 1952 year, when the Atomic Energy Commission was established, headed by Ernst David Bergmann, a specialist in organic chemistry (he is considered the “father” of the Israeli nuclear program). The scientific and technical cooperation of Israel with its friendly countries played an important role in the formation and development of this program. On a large scale, it was carried out with France and the United States.

Especially closely in the development of nuclear weapons, the Israelis collaborated with France. In 1950 – 1960, Israeli specialists participated in the program to build a French nuclear bomb and the Israeli side received data obtained during France’s nuclear testing in the Sahara desert in 1960 – 1964. In addition, France helped Israel create a manufacturing base for weapons-grade plutonium production. According to the secret French-Israeli agreement signed in 1956, the French built in Dimona (Negev desert, 120 kilometers southeast of the city of Tel Aviv) a heavy-water IRR-2 reactor on natural uranium with an initial electrical capacity of 26 MW. This reactor was commissioned in 1963-m and upgraded in 70-s: according to estimates, its electrical capacity increased to 75 – 150 MW. As a consequence, weapon-grade plutonium production could increase from 7 – 8 to 20 – 40 kilograms per year.

Since the physical launch of the IRR-2 reactor, Israel has taken an important step in the implementation of its military nuclear program. The nuclear research center Negev (Negev Nuclear Research Center - NNRC) was formed around this reactor, where the main work on the production of fissile materials and products from them for nuclear warheads is carried out. In this atomic center, whose facilities are mostly located underground, in addition to the IRR-2 reactor, there is an industrial radiochemical plant for the separation of plutonium from fuel irradiated in the reactor, an enterprise for the purification and processing of uranium ore, an experimental cascade of gas centrifuges for the separation of uranium isotopes, factory installations for the production of metallic uranium and plutonium, as well as fuel (fuel rods) for nuclear reactors, a complex for the production of heavy water (tritium), lithium-6 and lithium deuteride, a number of research aboratory, including laser enrichment of uranium and the magnetic method for the separation of uranium isotopes.

There are various expert estimates of the amount of weapons-grade plutonium produced in Israel. Of these, the data of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) are most trusted, according to which, as of 2011, Israel could have produced 690 – 950 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium in Israel. Moreover, according to SIPRI, the production of weapons-grade plutonium in the country is still ongoing, which indirectly indicates Tel Aviv’s intention to increase the Israeli nuclear potential.

Weapon of Last Hope

Regarding the uranium reserves in Israel, they are estimated to be sufficient for their own needs. Already in 1972, this country no longer needed foreign supplies of uranium raw materials, since the phosphate fertilizer industry could annually produce as a by-product from 40 to 50 tons of uranium oxide, which doubled the annual demand of the IRR-2 reactor. By the beginning of the 90-s, production of uranium oxide in Israel was brought to 100 tons per year.

At the same time, according to SIPRI, there is currently no industrial production of highly enriched uranium (HEU) in Israel. Consequently, there is no production of nuclear munitions based on HEU. The required amount of HEU needed to produce fuel for the light-water reactor IRR-1 (which will be discussed below) is accumulated in the NNRC, where, as already mentioned, there are relevant experimental and laboratory facilities. It should also be borne in mind that in order to ensure the operation of the IRR-1 reactor in 1960 – 1966, the United States delivered 50 kilograms of HEU to Israel.

The start of US-Israeli nuclear cooperation was launched in 1955. The United States agreed to build in the Nahal-Sorek (20 kilometers south of Tel Aviv) a research light-water pool-type IRR-1 reactor 5 MW, launched in June 1960, as well as organize training of Israeli specialists in national laboratories in Ok - Ridge and Argone. During 1955 – 1960 years, Israeli specialists trained 56 in these laboratories.

Due to its low power, the IRR-1 reactor could hardly be used as a weapon-grade plutonium accumulator. At the same time, it was at this reactor that Israeli experts gained experience in handling HEU. It is also important that a complex of buildings was built around the IRR-1 reactor, which housed laboratories and grew a research center, where various research in the field of nuclear science and technology, including military ones, is being conducted. In particular, it is assumed that it is in this center that the research and design development of nuclear weapons is carried out. The nuclear ammunition assembly plant is located elsewhere - in Iodefat (130 kilometers northeast of Tel Aviv).

With regard to the cooperation of Israel with other countries in the field of military use of nuclear energy should be noted the recorded fact of such joint work in the 70-s with South Africa and Taiwan. Moreover, cooperation between Israel and South Africa in creating nuclear weapons looks more than revealing. Back in 1977, Newsweek magazine, citing the opinion of a number of experts from the American intelligence community, explicitly stated that the alleged South African atomic bomb was an Israeli nuclear device. 22 September 1979, exactly on 1.00 GMT, sensors on board the American VELA satellite 6911 recorded two flashes of light in the Indian Ocean near the Prince Edward Islands belonging to South Africa. The most obvious explanation is that nuclear tests took place. The list of suspects in their conduct quickly narrowed to South Africa and Israel.

A political decision by the Israeli leadership to build nuclear weapons was made in 1955, and the corresponding program began to develop rapidly after the so-called Suez crisis in the fall of 1956. To this, Tel Aviv was then pushed by the threat of the use of nuclear weapons against Israel, which was voiced in a speech by the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR Nikolai Bulganin.

According to the Rosatom Institute of Strategic Stability (ISS), the first Israeli nuclear munitions could be manufactured in 1967 – 1968, and the American research center Global Security claims that even during the so-called six-day war 1967, Israel had two atomic bombs.

Since then, the production of nuclear ammunition in Israel has been steadily increasing, and their nomenclature has been expanding: nuclear warheads of the same capacity have been added to the previously produced atomic bombs with 20 kilotons of kilotons.

Available expert assessments of the Israeli nuclear arsenal lie in a wide range. Thus, SIPRI believes that the Israelis possess approximately 80 assembled nuclear weapons: 50 warheads for missiles and 30 bombs for aviation. At the ISS of Rosatom, it is assumed that in total in the nuclear arsenal of this country there are from 130 to 200 ammunition. There are more maximalist estimates, according to which, by the end of the 90s, Israel had 400 ammunition, including air bombs, ballistic missile warheads, large-caliber artillery shells and mines.

It seems that under the conditions of the existing uncertainty with regard to Israel’s nuclear arsenal, its most reasoned estimate may be that based on calculations of the use of weapons-grade plutonium stocks accumulated in the country for the production of nuclear weapons.

It is generally recognized that for the manufacture of one nuclear charge is enough five kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium. Based on this premise, it is easy to calculate that with the use of all Israel’s stockpiles of weapons-grade plutonium (2011 – 690 kilograms) in Israel, 950 – 138 nuclear weapons could have been produced.

In fact, it was unlikely that all available weapons-grade plutonium stocks were consumed for the production of nuclear ammunition in Israel. It can be assumed, by analogy with the practice of other de jure unrecognized nuclear states, that Tel Aviv left up to a quarter of its stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium in reserve for unforeseen needs. Based on this, by the beginning of the 2012 of the year in Israel’s nuclear arsenal there could be from 100 to 140 ammunition. It is quite reasonable that their nomenclature corresponds to the composition of the Israeli nuclear forces (they will be discussed below). At the same time, it can be argued with great certainty that Israel does not have nuclear artillery shells and nuclear mines. Information about the presence of such ammunition had never been confirmed.

In view of the above, the conclusion follows: Israel has created a full-fledged research and production base for the nuclear industry, which allows not only to maintain, but also to increase its nuclear potential. At the same time, Tel Aviv’s interest in the development of thermonuclear weapons cannot be ruled out, but on this path, the need to conduct full-scale nuclear tests seems to be an insurmountable obstacle. Israel signed the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty in September 1996, although it has not ratified it yet. Therefore, it is unlikely that Tel Aviv will decide to conduct nuclear tests without extreme need.

Nuclear weapons

An expert analysis of the structure of the Israeli armed forces shows that the country has a nuclear triad based on dual-purpose carriers, which are tactical aircraft, mobile missile systems and diesel-electric submarines.

Of the aircraft in service with the Israeli Air Force as carriers of atomic bombs, US-made tactical fighters F-4, F-15 and F-16 can be used, as well as the A-4 attack aircraft, supplied by the United States, which, however, are now kept in storage mode .

The tactical fighter F-4 has a range of 1250 kilometers (without refueling in the air). Its maximum flight speed is 2350 kilometers per hour (at an altitude of 12 000 meters), and the practical ceiling is 21 000 meters. He is able to carry one atomic bomb.

The tactical fighter F-15 (F-15I in the version modified in Israel) has a combat range of 1650 kilometers (without refueling in the air). Its maximum flight speed is 2650 kilometers per hour (at an altitude of 11 000 meters), and the practical ceiling is 18 000 meters. He is able to carry one atomic bomb.

The tactical fighter F-16 (F-16I in the version modified in Israel) has a combat range of 1500 kilometers (without refueling in the air). Its maximum flight speed is 2100 kilometers per hour (at an altitude of 11 000 meters), and the practical ceiling is 18 000 meters. He is able to carry one atomic bomb.

Attack A-4 has a range 1200 kilometers (without refueling in the air). Its maximum flight speed is 1000 kilometers per hour (at an altitude of 5700 meters), and the practical ceiling is 10 500 meters. He is able to carry one atomic bomb.

Of the total fleet of tactical fighters F-4, F-15 and F-16, which the Israeli Air Force has, to perform nuclear tasks, a total of 40 to 50 aircraft have been certified. The number of A-4 attack aircraft certified for nuclear missions does not exceed 8 – 10 units.

At the beginning of the 2012, information appeared that Israeli tactical fighters of the F-15I and F-16I versions were capable of having air-to-air Popey nuclear cruise missiles. If this information is reliable, then the combat capabilities of the aviation component of Israel’s nuclear triad have increased significantly, since the range of the Popey missiles can exceed 1000 kilometers.

In addition to the aircraft in service with the Israeli Air Force, mobile missile systems include solid-propellant ballistic missiles Jericho I and Jericho II, which can be equipped with warheads in both conventional and nuclear equipment.

Jericho I single-stage short-range ballistic missile (BRMD) was put into service in the 1972 year. The French rocket development firm Marcel Dassault took an active part in its development. This rocket has a launch mass of 6,7 tons and has a firing range of up to 500 kilometers with a mass of the head of about 1000 kilograms. Shooting accuracy (circular deviation) - about 500 meters.

The two-stage medium-range ballistic missile (MRSD) Jericho II was put into service in the 2002 year. It has a starting mass of about 14 tons and has a range of 1500 – 1800 kilometers with a mass of 750 – 1000 kilograms. Accuracy of shooting (circular deviation) - 800 meters.

According to estimates, the Israeli Air Force has a total of up to 150 BRMD Jericho I and from 50 to 90 BRSD Jericho II. The number of mobile launchers for these missiles can be 30 – 40 units (18 – 24 for Jericho I and 12 – 16 for Jericho II). In peacetime, these launchers are not deployed, they are located in specially equipped underground structures at the Kfar Zakhariya missile base (38 kilometers south of Tel Aviv).

With regard to the promising development of ballistic missiles of increased range, then in Israel, experimental work is underway to create a three-stage solid-fuel missile Jericho III. Her first flight test was conducted in 2008 year, and the second - in November 2011. The firing range of this missile can exceed 4000 kilometers with a mass of 1000 – 1300 kilograms. The adoption of the Jericho III rocket is expected in 2015 – 2016.

The Shavit space launch vehicle can be considered a potential long-range delivery vehicle. This three-stage solid-fuel rocket was created using American technology. With it, the Israelis launched five spacecraft weighing about 150 kilograms each into low near-earth orbits (in September 1988, April 1990, April 1995, May 2002, and June 2007). Three launches of spacecraft, conducted on September 1994-th, January 1998-th and September 2004-th, were unsuccessful.

According to experts of the Lawrence National Laboratory (Livermore, USA), the Shavit launch vehicle can be relatively easily modified into a combat missile capable of delivering a payload of 500 kilograms over a distance of 7800 kilometers. However, it is hardly possible to consider this launch vehicle as an effective means of delivering a nuclear weapon (it is located on a bulky ground launch device and has a very significant preparation time for launch). At the same time, the constructive and technological solutions achieved during the creation of the Shavit launch vehicle may well be used in the development of combat missiles with a range of 5000 kilometers and more.

Test and combat training launches of combat ballistic missiles and launching spacecraft into near-earth orbits Israel carries out from the Palmahim rocket test range located in 22 kilometers south-west of Tel Aviv. In addition, for carrying out test and combat training launches of combat ballistic missiles a towed offshore platform is used, which is located in the Mediterranean.

The sea component of the country's nuclear triad consists of German-made Dolphin diesel-electric submarines with cruise missiles, which can be equipped with warheads in both conventional and nuclear equipment.

The Israeli Navy has three submarines of the Dolphin class, which were delivered from Germany to 1998 – 1999 and are equipped with missile systems (each launch boat has launch containers to launch cruise missiles from under water). Reliable data on the type of cruise missiles with which these boats are armed is not available. According to some sources, these are modernized by the Israelis American Sub Harpoon cruise missiles with a launch range of up to 10 kilometers, while others are the Israeli-developed Popey Turbo missiles created on the basis of an Air-to-Earth cruise missile. Popey Turbo rocket launch range can reach 600 kilometers.

In 2011 – 2012, the Federal Republic of Germany delivered to Israel two more submarines of the Dolphin class, which, after being equipped with rocket weapons, complete the test cycle before entering the Navy (approximately this event can take place at the end of 2013).

Currently, the sixth Dolphin class submarine for Israel is being built in the Federal Republic of Germany at the Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG shipyard near the city of Kiel. Moreover, the German government in 2011 approved a subsidy in the amount of 135 million euros - one third of the total price - for the purchase of this boat by Tel Aviv. Its transfer to Israel is possible in 2014.

Conclusion: Israel now has a wide range of non-strategic means of delivering nuclear weapons and a solid arsenal of regional standards. In building up nuclear potential, emphasis has been placed on the development of the marine component of nuclear forces, which has the highest survivability. This is considered to be extremely important for Israel, since it is very vulnerable to an attack with the use of weapons of mass destruction (affected by the small size of the country).

Nuclear strategy

The presence of nuclear forces in Israel implies that it also has a nuclear strategy. True, she never declared. However, an analysis of the statements made by Israeli officials suggests that this strategy is based on the following basic principles:

  • Israel’s nuclear arsenal is intended primarily to deter potential adversaries. It seems obvious that the huge geopolitical and demographic (and potentially military) advantages of the Arab and Muslim countries surrounding Israel are regarded in Tel Aviv as an imperative of its reliance on nuclear weapons, which is a guarantee of security;
  • Tel Aviv regards nuclear weapons as a weapon of last resort. It can be applied first in the event of an armed attack on a country if the very existence of Israel as a state is put at risk;
  • in the event of a nuclear strike on Israel (or a strike using other types of weapons of mass destruction), the “surviving” nuclear arsenal of the latter will be used without hesitation against the aggressor;
  • Without a radical change in the military-strategic situation in the region (and in the world) at the official level, Israel will continue to keep silent about its nuclear weapons. It seems that this policy has a certain military-political resource, which Tel Aviv is not going to lose;
  • Israel is making every effort to prevent the emergence of a real possibility of creating a nuclear weapon by a potential adversary. At the same time, the use of means of force is not excluded, even if the norms of international law are violated.

    By and large, now and for the foreseeable future, Tel Aviv has no incentive to abandon nuclear weapons, since they are in a hostile environment. Only two states of the Middle East signed a peace treaty with Israel - Egypt in 1979 and Jordan in 1994. The remaining countries of this region have not yet recognized the sovereignty of Israel, and some of them, in particular Iran, have denied it the right to exist as a state.

    Based on what has been said, “anonymous” Israel’s nuclear arsenal in the foreseeable future will remain an important component of the military-strategic balance in the Middle East, a significant apple of discord between Tel Aviv’s relations with other states of the region and the largest factor for the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East and other regions.
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    1. Denis
      Denis 24 October 2013 08: 00
      +5
      during the so-called six-day war of 1967, Israel possessed two atomic bombs.
      Since then, the production of nuclear weapons in Israel has been steadily increasing, and their nomenclature has expanded.
      There are enough scientists
      Being in a hostile environment, Israel will never give up its nuclear sword.
      It is only the blacks of South Africa who can. The truth is not because of the peace-mind that is not enough to keep, white almost everyone survived
      There was talk that Israel and South Africa collaborated in the development of nuclear weapons
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 24 October 2013 09: 04
        +4
        Quote: Denis
        Since then, the production of nuclear weapons in Israel has been steadily increasing, and their nomenclature has expanded.

        It is doubtful. Why constantly increase the number. Financially difficult, a small area for secret storage.
        Who are going to "bombard" - the whole world? They are already "given".
        It should be borne in mind that there is a "controlled Murikosia" with NATO.
        In which case, they will tear anyone.

        Quote: Denis
        There was talk that Israel with South Africa

        And for what? On a broader scale, similar relations existed with the United States and France. It must be recognized that without scientific and technical cooperation with a number of Western countries, the existence of an Israeli nuclear arsenal would hardly have been possible. Therefore, relations with South Africa, in principle, are not needed.

        gatchino.com/knogg/4_05.htm
        1. Turik
          Turik 24 October 2013 10: 19
          14
          Does Iran even lack nuclear weapons - "a threat to peace and stability in the Middle East", and Israel - "Last Hope"?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 37
            -12 qualifying.
            Iran, unlike Israel, violated several fundamental conventions several times: for example, Venuskaya on diplomatic immunity (capturing diplomats). Therefore, his actions cause concern, and therefore, sanctions against him are supported, including by Russia.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 24 October 2013 17: 01
              +8
              Quote: Pimply
              Iran, unlike Israel, has violated fundamental conventions several times: for example, Vienna on diplomatic immunity

              Now this is not an argument about maliciousness.
              Who doesn’t violate this diplomatic immunity!
              Quote: Pimply
              sanctions against him are supported, including Russia

              What is interesting is always when they talk about politics, for example, the Yusovites are negotiated _ It was with .... And we have RUSSIA! And that’s it!
              Unfortunately, the acts of some people to drain Libya and apostasy from Iran will long be associated with Russia and its people!
            2. Denis
              Denis 26 October 2013 13: 32
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              Iran, unlike Israel, violated several fundamental conventions several times: for example, Venuskaya on diplomatic immunity (capturing diplomats). Therefore, his actions cause concern, and therefore, sanctions against him are supported, including by Russia.

              Europe, at the behest of the United States, recently, forcibly detained the President of Bolivia, searched the presidential plane .. What can I say?
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 26 October 2013 16: 52
                0
                Quote: Denis
                what say

                They can, Uncle Sam asked.
            3. i.xxx-1971
              i.xxx-1971 12 November 2013 23: 27
              0
              Israel has long violated all 11 commandments
            4. mvg
              mvg 27 November 2013 20: 46
              0
              and Israel did not violate? never delivered preemptive strikes, and didn’t bomb all of its neighbors, and didn’t cut it with special services?
        2. wei
          wei 24 October 2013 16: 42
          +2
          Therefore, relations with South Africa, in principle, are not needed.

          look at the map of uranium mining
          South Africa Wall Reefs Anglo-American
          By-product (gold mining) underground mining
          914 total (2,6% of world production) 1996
          given the love of gold God himself commanded laughing
      2. Xroft
        Xroft 24 October 2013 10: 18
        +6
        The Israeli military review is more suitable for the site ..... what article already this week about Israeli troops / politics, etc.? And, as always, we are white and fluffy .... Dude wrote normal things.
        Ps If one player has weapons in the Middle East, then sooner or later it will appear to all interested parties, primarily Iran, but how will this end? Obviously nothing good .... you dig your own grave.
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          1. Turik
            Turik 24 October 2013 11: 37
            0
            And do not be offended, I myself am a Jew by mother.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 October 2013 11: 42
              -8
              Quote: Turik
              And do not be offended, I myself am a Jew by mother.

              so what now, to send the mother?
              1. bya965
                bya965 24 October 2013 23: 44
                +5
                I am Russian, rightly said, the mother of your health.
                On a national basis, this is stupid. So we are bred Russian. The main thing is that we are all for the Homeland, we will not betray our own, we will not betray the comrade who framed his shoulder.
                And if he betrayed, let us see who he is and what his nation is.

                Jews love Russia and together with you we will tear Arabs with small shaves to their British flag.

                The main thing is not to betray.
            2. Hug
              Hug 24 October 2013 12: 15
              -12 qualifying.
              ... you, not a Jew.
              1. Oberst_71
                Oberst_71 24 October 2013 12: 39
                +3
                I wonder how you wanted to call him ,,.? what from the Talmud?
              2. catapractic
                catapractic 25 October 2013 22: 33
                0
                put your flag in ... guess what
            3. cdrt
              cdrt 24 October 2013 23: 04
              +4
              Quote: Turik
              And do not be offended, I myself am a Jew by mother.


              It just means - a real Jew, by mother laughing
          2. old man54
            old man54 24 October 2013 12: 02
            +7
            Quote: Turik
            Well, here we have our own Jewish-Masonic conspiracy: 0)

            Professor for the center.

            good think correctly "+" to you! wink though by mother
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 39
          +3
          Quote: Xroft
          The Israeli military review is more suitable for the site ..... what article already this week about Israeli troops / politics, etc.? And, as always, we are white and fluffy .... Dude wrote normal things.

          Military Review involves articles relating not only to the Russian army, right?
          1. Xroft
            Xroft 24 October 2013 13: 53
            +9
            Of course, but in the world there are still countries besides Israel?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 24 October 2013 14: 06
              -1
              Quote: Xroft
              Of course, but in the world there are still countries besides Israel?

              That is, daily articles about the French, American, Russian and Chinese military-industrial complex do not count? Is Israeli annoying you?
              1. Xroft
                Xroft 24 October 2013 14: 30
                +6
                Look at the ratio of articles about the French army and the Israeli you will be surprised!
                Ps Do not try to play over the feeling of pity for the * poor * Israeli people .... no one oppresses him.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 24 October 2013 14: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Xroft
                  Look at the ratio of articles about the French army and the Israeli you will be surprised!
                  Ps Do not try to play over the feeling of pity for the * poor * Israeli people .... no one oppresses him.


                  On average, at least one article appears per day about the French army or weapons. About Israel is much less common. More often articles appear about China and the States.
                  Yes, and Russian-speaking authors and readers in Israel are somehow more than in France. Does this bother you too much? Well, create the Military Review of the Armed Forces website. Nobody forbids you.

                  What does the last phrase refer to, can you tell?
                  1. Xroft
                    Xroft 24 October 2013 14: 37
                    0
                    It is you who answer why you are trying to introduce yourself in this way.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 24 October 2013 14: 42
                      -5
                      Quote: Xroft
                      It is you who answer why you are trying to introduce yourself in this way.

                      This is how I behave because you are spreading lies. Moreover, your lies are based on ethnic and religious grounds, which is in direct conflict with the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on "inciting ethnic and interracial hatred."

                      Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states that
                      Propaganda or agitation inciting social, racial, national or religious hatred or enmity is not allowed.

                      According to part 1 of article 282 "The incitement of hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity" of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation as amended by the Federal Law of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ:
                      Actions aimed at inciting hatred or enmity, as well as humiliating the dignity of a person or a group of people on the grounds of sex, race, nationality, language, origin, religion, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or with the use of the media shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of one year to two years, or by deprivation of the right to hold certain bit or engage in certain activities for up to three years, or by compulsory works for a term of up to one hundred eighty hours, or correctional labor for up to one year, or imprisonment for up to two years.

                      They demanded that you justify the charges against you. You refuse to present the justification, which means you are engaged in the conscious dissemination of false information. Up to two years in prison.
                      1. Xroft
                        Xroft 24 October 2013 14: 46
                        +1
                        Give at least one example of my comments that lead to national disagreement, otherwise you slander and violate the Criminal Code.
                        1. Pimply
                          Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 28
                          -2
                          Quote: Xroft
                          There is medical evidence that Israeli troops used a new type of weapon in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon: this weapon leaves the victim’s body intact from the outside, but when it penetrates, makes muscle tissue lifeless, charring the liver and bones, clotting blood

                          You didn’t give evidence - this is the time.
                          Two - you have not read the article of the Criminal Code, and still do not understand the concept of slander.
                        2. Xroft
                          Xroft 24 October 2013 15: 33
                          -2
                          I quoted the information that is posted on this resource, this time.
                          Two - you apparently are not familiar with the law at all, think what you are doing now.
                          Ps You still have not answered the questions and are trying to blame people on this forum, open the article and read carefully ... behave more culturally on this resource it is not difficult.
                        3. Pimply
                          Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 53
                          +2
                          Quote: Xroft
                          I quoted the information that is posted on this resource, this time.

                          You did not quote. You made a statement and refused to provide evidence. Just quoted - you would not have any questions.
                          Quote: Xroft
                          Ps You still have not answered the questions and are trying to blame people on this forum, open the article and read carefully ... behave more culturally on this resource it is not difficult.

                          Are you trying to "translate the arrows"? It was you who brought the accusation, and then refused to confirm it with facts twice.
                        4. Xroft
                          Xroft 24 October 2013 15: 59
                          0
                          It is more than evident that I quoted the above Oleg Chuvakin, and you are unfortunately a regular forum * troll * who is trying to reduce everything to one topic.
                          I don’t translate arrows, I advise you to contact the prosecutor's office if you think that I am stirring up ethnic strife, otherwise you are just a person who scratches his tongue for the fun of the public.
                        5. Pimply
                          Pimply 24 October 2013 16: 29
                          0
                          Quote: Xroft
                          It is more than evident that I quoted the above Oleg Chuvakin, and you are unfortunately a regular forum * troll * who is trying to reduce everything to one topic.

                          Where is it obvious. Give an example or excerpt from the article, please.
                        6. Xroft
                          Xroft 24 October 2013 16: 38
                          +1
                          Can you when you want? wink Culture she helps good
                          http://topwar.ru/34845-geopoliticheskaya-mozaika-ssha-nachnut-stroyku-obekta-pvo
                          -v-rumynii-a-vyklyuchenie-pravitelstva-oboshlos-vashingtonu-v-24-milliarda-dolla
                          rov.html # comment-id-1606739
                          Link to the entire article. Section Nuclear Program of Israel, read carefully, so that later there would be no questions.
                        7. Pimply
                          Pimply 24 October 2013 16: 50
                          -1
                          Quote: Xroft
                          Can you when you want? Culture she helps


                          Ok, I read my mistake. A direct quote from an unverified statement. I apologize. Next time give a link.

                          Well, and this does not negate the fact that this statement has no evidence.
                        8. Xroft
                          Xroft 24 October 2013 17: 04
                          +2
                          Well, that's fine, a calm dialogue is he always better, right? Learning the light.
                          As for the evidence of this statement, they will lead us once again to unnecessary disputes, everyone has their own opinion on this matter. The main thing is to be more restrained and not to stoop to insults and empty accusations.
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 15: 24
          +5
          Well, again, you scare all the police and the site administration. I also stopped doing it in kindergarten. Your behavior is reminiscent of the tactics of Bnay Brit lawyers. Scream about anti-Semitism and xenophobia right away. Well, people do not like the position of Israel, why immediately scare?
          1. Xroft
            Xroft 24 October 2013 15: 36
            +2
            A person is simply accustomed to the impunity of his aggressive behavior and cannot justify his position in another way ... it’s a shame for such people who lack a culture of communication.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 57
            0
            Quote: Xroft
            A person is simply accustomed to the impunity of his aggressive behavior and cannot justify his position in another way ... it’s a shame for such people who lack a culture of communication.

            The culture of communication in the first place is to be able to present reasonable evidence in the case of charges, rather than spreading slander.

            "There is medical evidence that in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon, Israeli forces have used a new type of weapon: these weapons leave the victim's body intact on the outside, but, when penetrated, renders muscle tissue lifeless, charred the liver and bones, and coagulates blood."

            You have not produced evidence for this claim. Where are they?
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 55
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Well, again, you scare all the police and the site administration. I also stopped doing it in kindergarten. Your behavior is reminiscent of the tactics of Bnay Brit lawyers. Scream about anti-Semitism and xenophobia right away. Well, people do not like the position of Israel, why immediately scare?

          No, it’s just that you’re used to ignoring the law - but I’m used to following it.
        5. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 16: 17
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          No, it’s just that you’re used to ignoring the law - but I’m used to following it.

          Well, I’m saying, here you are claiming exclusivity. Do you always cross the road at the crosswalk? As for the observance of laws, you have clearly gone too far, and legends generally go about Jewish law-abiding laws. Remind me, where did the FENYA come from in Russian? hi
    2. user
      user 25 October 2013 21: 49
      +1
      If you don’t write about Israel or the Jews, you’ll either be accused of inciting ethnic hatred or denying the Holocaust. As they say, either good or nothing. Maybe you should go to your Jewish site with this position and not write kerosene here.
  • atalef
    atalef 24 October 2013 14: 43
    -1
    Quote: Xroft
    Look at the ratio of articles about the French army and the Israeli you will be surprised!
    Ps Do not try to play over the feeling of pity for the * poor * Israeli people .... no one oppresses him.

    Yes, we don’t complain, I’ll wash it we all oppress (listen to you) Arabs, Russians, Papuans in general all together and each separately, as well as the countries we manage from everyone from some sort of Lesotho, to America and Russia. Well, what kind of oppression is it?
  • catapractic
    catapractic 25 October 2013 22: 36
    +1
    you will need to oppress anyone you want.
  • catapractic
    catapractic 25 October 2013 22: 35
    0
    tradition however ...
  • builder
    builder 24 October 2013 23: 17
    0
    To evil Professor write about another army.
  • catapractic
    catapractic 25 October 2013 22: 34
    0
    I see no smile
  • atalef
    atalef 24 October 2013 14: 00
    -6
    Quote: Xroft
    .... Dude wrote one normal thing.
    .

    Well, you specifically crush on him, I’m even scared to think ............
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    1. Pimply
      Pimply 24 October 2013 14: 07
      -4
      Quote: old man54
      "+" to you! Yesterday I was outraged by the 6th serial "soap" opera about the vaunted Jewish special forces, how long can you do self-glorification in Russian Runet ?! So my comments were removed immediately, they are not in the subject!

      You will be outraged by any article where Israel and / or Jews are mentioned in a positive light. I am wrong?
      1. Xroft
        Xroft 24 October 2013 14: 54
        +3
        You again reduce everything to one subject. That someone is trying to oppress Israel. Answer the question or you openly slander the forum participants and do it in an aggressive manner. I will be forced to contact the administration of this forum.
        The question was posed by completely different people on completely different topics .. and you are all trying to be pulled over your sore subject.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 34
          -8
          Quote: Xroft
          You again reduce everything to one subject. That someone is trying to oppress Israel. Answer the question or you openly slander the forum participants and do it in an aggressive manner. I will be forced to contact the administration of this forum.

          No, I mean that you violate the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. That is, commit a crime.
          Contact. I have already applied. And then read the 2 and 3 rules of this forum.
        2. Ptah
          Ptah 24 October 2013 16: 13
          +3
          Quote: Xroft
          I will be forced to contact the administration of this forum.

          And in vain. Your appeal, as has happened more than once, "will go into the sand." And "he" understands this, so he tries in every possible way to catch you at least on something that contradicts the so-called. "VO rules", or in the hope that you will simply send it. If this does not happen, it will "appeal" as a flood by the number of posts, despite the fact that he himself dumped many times more garbage. Then he will rush to the commandant's office (crossed out) administration.
          At the same time, the site has a good option as an emergency. There "them" and the place. For the rest, I can advise you not to address "them" directly, neither with questions, and even more so with answers.
          I noticed that a year ago there were no more than five Jews on this website. As recently as a week ago, I counted at least a dozen of them. That is why articles appear with such frequency, as "Old Man" has correctly noted, and not only he.

          Shl. It is possible that with regard to my writing, I will go to the "bathhouse" for half a year. They will find the wording - be sure. Actually, it's not a big loss for me, as they say. And "this" will add joy for sure.
          Draw conclusions. hi
          1. Xroft
            Xroft 24 October 2013 16: 18
            +1
            I understand everything, but I’m used to defend my position, I don’t tolerate people who behave extremely culturally and cannot conduct a normal dialogue ... you have to learn these. I know that there are still people who adequately understand the situation and it’s always nice hi
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        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 39
          -2
          Quote: old man54
          I calmly read the very first article about your special forces, although I had heard so much and read it before. When the sequel came out a day later, I was surprised a little, but no more, I looked it over quickly, I was already tired of it, you know. When I saw the third part, I was very surprised, did not read, it already began to strain everything. On the fourth it was already funny and somehow ... disgusting. On the 3th part, about the same "unsurpassed" by no one and no when the special forces of the fascist state of Israel, I could not stand it anymore and was specifically outraged by writing an angry comment that someone quietly deleted.


          Dear, I well remember your comments in various articles. No need to build an angel out of yourself.
          1. old man54
            old man54 24 October 2013 16: 07
            +9
            Quote: Pimply
            I well remember your comments in various articles

            it pleases you to have at least a memory not bad! good
            Quote: Pimply
            No need to build an angel out of yourself.

            but I’ve never tried it, especially with the peasants! I’m still a ... scumbag, excuse me, I can bite my throat with my teeth if necessary and if necessary, and now I'm not joking at all! wink But I’m not for you, "bumpy", but, in general, I illustrate that I not white or fluffy at all! And where am I to you, to the Zionists then! And what's funny is that you, "pimply", and others like you, by blood and manners, do not see yourself and your vices at all! crying And my attitude is extremely negative, not for all Jews in general, but specifically for sick Jewish Zionist nationalists who despise everyone and everyone, akroming themselves and their blood brothers. So it’s not necessary from a sick head to a healthy one! I had a wonderful friend, a Jew at 50%, he died in the Mountains, there are few like him today, in general. But he lived here in Siberia, and most likely that is why he just didn’t break into Israel, because everything was alien to him and filthy there, although he was engaged in science all his life!
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 15: 37
        +7
        Quote: Pimply
        You will be outraged by any article where Israel and / or Jews are mentioned in a positive light. I am wrong?

        What did you want, we are Goi. If you laid out not only laudatory odes, but also wrong information, then the attitude would be different. There isn’t even about Americans, and there will be info about some kind of blunder. And you have all the best, both people and tanks. Looks like we can’t wait where we are tossed up to your exclusivity.
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        2. Pimply
          Pimply 24 October 2013 16: 27
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What did you want, we are Goi. If you laid out not only laudatory odes, but also wrong information, then the attitude would be different.

          Do you read these articles at all? Or so, by intention? An article about Israeli special forces is full of information about failures and shortcomings, the last article about the Israeli military-industrial complex is about IMI debts and privatization, and here is an analytical article about developing a nuclear program. Or do you need articles which Jews are bad and how bad everything is in Israel?
          1. Xroft
            Xroft 24 October 2013 16: 29
            +2
            Look at this representative, despite the comments from many participants, he continues to bend his topic.
            Quote: Pimply
            Or do you need articles which Jews are bad and how bad everything is in Israel?

            We already understood that this is a sore point for you, do not bother to comment, it is better to write to the prosecutor’s office immediately, do you have any experience? Otherwise, why this booth? Learn social behavior.
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  • Cynic
    Cynic 24 October 2013 16: 49
    0
    Quote: Xroft
    you dig your own grave.

    Are you a foreigner?
    Unfortunately, the notion of equilibrium of fears applies to Iran vs Israel.
    In Pakistan vs India, no one has suited such tantrums?
    Yes, even
    Quote: Victor Yesin
    Israel will never give up its nuclear sword

    I wonder how you can refuse what you do not possess ?!
    If anything, this is about the snow-white clothes of the Promised Land. wink
  • Very old
    Very old 24 October 2013 15: 08
    +3
    What W. Churchill was not mistaken in any way: the state of Israel should be based in South Africa, away from future world problems. Said long ago, responds today
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 24 October 2013 15: 36
      +4
      Quote: Very old
      the state of Israel should be based in South Africa

      Better yet, in Antarctica ...repeat
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 15: 43
        0
        Quote: retired
        Better yet in Antarctica ... feel

        Yes, Stalin was a very far-sighted person, but he was still mistaken. I would have moved the EAO to Sakhalin.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 24 October 2013 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Stalin was a very far-sighted person

          Therefore, Madagascar offered them. There they would have passed the Malgashes in two or three years and without any nuclear weapons. You have no common borders with arabia, water for growing garlic, you can get submarine boats from the "VICTORY THEM SAME "not 6 but 666. And other kayfushi. No, they wanted" for the sand. " " - got.
          Now don’t raise the stink. Sit upright, stay in the lapserdak and arm yourself.

          By the way, an interesting info about boats and nuclear weapons on them.
          I myself wanted to offer the admins for placement, but over the last three days I realized that it would not work in the "accepted format".
          Read -

          www.iimes.ru/rus/stat/2012/14-02-12a.htm
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 19: 10
            +1
            Quote: Ptah
            Sit upright, stay in the lapserdak and arm yourself.

            Well said. Do you know why many Jews who left for Israel are returning, or are they moving to the states? Nah ... um ... there is nobody to inject. Not interested. In Madagascar, they would gobble up themselves in a couple of decades. And here the Arabs, as a symbol of the enemy, do not allow to relax, keep in good shape so to speak.
        2. Denis
          Denis 25 October 2013 02: 40
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I would have moved the EAO to Sakhalin
          At least to the crater of a volcano, but what's the point?
          Burn archives, stamps, coat of arms and all
          What is the indigenous population of the EAO?
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 24 October 2013 17: 10
        +3
        Quote: retired
        Better yet in Antarctica ..

        The largest reserves of fresh water and apparently the richest deposits of various minerals!
        Not to mention _ GIVING THE MATTER! belay
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: Very old
      What W. Churchill was not mistaken in any way: the state of Israel should be based in South Africa

      proof
      1. Very old
        Very old 24 October 2013 16: 31
        +2
        Well yes. So I do not want to be BANTUSTAN
  • vkrav
    vkrav 24 October 2013 22: 26
    -1
    Quote: Denis
    This is only blacks in South Africa can

    What a slander! Have you forgotten about proud ukrov? laughing
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 October 2013 02: 43
      -1
      Quote: vkrav
      Have you forgotten about proud ukrov?
      I remember, I just didn’t want to breed srach to heaven
      The Holodomor
  • SHILO
    SHILO 24 October 2013 08: 41
    +1
    Spin it or not, and they deserve at least respect. You can close the country on the map with your index finger.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 24 October 2013 09: 16
      +5
      Quote: SHILO
      and they deserve at least respect.

      I would like to write that everyone wants to live and has the right to do so, but until 47, as they said at the time, there was no "Another hotbed of tension." A hundred Jews wanted to gather their fellow tribesmen on a "historical" so get hemorrhoids and rake them later.
      The Jews living in BV themselves do not need either nuclear weapons or the so-called Israel. Before that, they lived all over the globe and nothing. Of course they always complained about everyone and everything, but they lived and even bred, starting with Egypt.

      "Where, under each bush,
      Both the table and the house were ready. "

      / K.I. Chukovsky. "Fly Tsokotukha"/
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 October 2013 10: 01
        -4
        Quote: Ptah
        Quote: SHILO
        and they deserve at least respect.

        I would like to write that everyone wants to live and has the right to do so, but until 47, as they said at the time, there was no "Another hotbed of tension." A hundred Jews wanted to gather their fellow tribesmen on a "historical" so get hemorrhoids and rake them later.
        The Jews living in BV themselves do not need either nuclear weapons or the so-called Israel. Before that, they lived all over the globe and nothing. Of course they always complained about everyone and everything, but they lived and even bred, starting with Egypt.

        "Where, under each bush,
        Both the table and the house were ready. "

        / K.I. Chukovsky. "Fly Tsokotukha"/

        So I say, South Ossetia and Abkhazia would have lived as part of Georgia, but here they wanted independence, and the Russians had to die for them, and contain the same
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 40
        -2
        Quote: Ptah
        I would like to write that everyone wants to live and have the right to do so, but until 47, as they said at the time, there was no "Another hotbed of tension."

        You have a bad history. Conflicts and wars have always been there.
      3. Very old
        Very old 24 October 2013 15: 19
        0
        By the way, in the Torah: the Israelites must come together in one place. And only then will something be possible for them
    2. anip
      anip 24 October 2013 09: 48
      +4
      Quote: SHILO
      Spin it or not, and they deserve at least respect. You can close the country on the map with your index finger.

      Fact.
      And, despite the Israeli policy, its double standards, do something for its countries they are all right. The Kremlin would learn from them.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 42
        -2
        Quote: anip
        And, despite the Israeli policy, its double standards, they are doing something right for their country. The Kremlin would learn from them.

        Any country in politics applies double standards. For example, the Kremlin is hosting the official delegations of Hamas, an organization committing suicide attacks and responsible for the deaths of not one or two Russian citizens.
      2. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 24 October 2013 12: 46
        +1
        Well, yes, how can we have the same FEO. a little bit that they quickly to the Kremlin. With screams, guard of anti-simism!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 52
          -2
          Quote: Oberst_71
          Well, yes, how can we have the same FEO. a little bit that they quickly to the Kremlin. With screams, guard of anti-simism!

          FEOR, for starters. And this does not prevent the Kremlin from receiving official terrorist delegations. For example, the Hamas and Hezbollah delegations.
          1. user
            user 25 October 2013 21: 55
            0
            You also do not cost anything to support terrorists in Syria. So no double standards
            1. Dezzed
              Dezzed 29 October 2013 21: 33
              +2
              Quote: user
              You also do not cost anything to support terrorists in Syria


              Comrade where did the woods come from?
            2. atalef
              atalef 29 October 2013 21: 39
              +2
              Quote: user
              You also do not cost anything to support terrorists in Syria. So no double standards

              In general, what we really need is to support both so that they can wet each other successfully, but since we are doing fine with math (plus plus and minus - 2 sides of the conflict --- gives zero in the end) , we prefer not to invest in either of those, but rather calmly observe, periodically leveling the situation and not let Assad withdraw various weapons from the battlefield towards Hezbollah.
  • Daler
    Daler 24 October 2013 09: 51
    +2
    With their scientists, they do not need nuclear weapons at all. I would be surprised if they still make nuclear bombs. Biological and chemical. weapons, that’s what’s more dangerous there, and not nuclear weapons.
    1. Xroft
      Xroft 24 October 2013 10: 24
      +3
      They do it in huge quantities, and using it in local conflicts.
      There is medical evidence that Israeli troops used a new type of weapon in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon: this weapon leaves the victim’s body intact from the outside, but when it penetrates, makes muscle tissue lifeless, charring the liver and bones, clotting blood.
      The use of chemical weapons is prohibited but apparently Jews can .... for defense :)
      There is evidence that Israel is also developing biological weapons that can destroy the human immune system, etc. Not long ago, an article came out, Israeli secrets surfaced in part due to an investigation conducted by Danish journalist Karel Knip, who was assisted by scientists.
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 October 2013 10: 33
        -3
        Quote: Xroft
        They do it in huge quantities, and using it in local conflicts.
        There is medical evidence that Israeli troops used a new type of weapon in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon: this weapon leaves the victim’s body intact from the outside, but when it penetrates, makes muscle tissue lifeless, charring the liver and bones, clotting blood.
        The use of chemical weapons is prohibited but apparently Jews can .... for defense :)
        There is evidence that Israel is also developing biological weapons that can destroy the human immune system, etc. Not long ago, an article came out, Israeli secrets surfaced in part due to an investigation conducted by Danish journalist Karel Knip, who was assisted by scientists.

        again you are with another fairy tale and re-post it from article to article
        There is evidence - in the studio, I have been asking you this for the third time, but silence in response. Everything about the chemical and the biologist. weapons and about scientists, because there is evidence.
        1. Xroft
          Xroft 24 October 2013 10: 45
          +5
          I will answer you 3 times, google for your help and look for and post a rebuttal that this is not so. Oleg Chuvakin’s words are quite enough for me.
          Where is the evidence that this is not so?
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 24 October 2013 10: 52
            +2
            Quote: Xroft
            Where is the evidence that this is not so?

            You write frank nonsense, blaming the use of biological weapons, and we must prove that this is not so ??? Prove that you are not a camel! About carbonization of the liver is generally super, interesting and the brains of the Palestinians did not turn into jelly? And you??
            1. Xroft
              Xroft 24 October 2013 11: 00
              +4
              Shalom to you friends from Israel. I do not write anything, I quoted what Oleg Chuvakin posted on this site. For me, this is already proof (a person takes it out of his head and relies on the investigation of a journalist) and you are trying to say that * the ram * is not yours and in general we are white and fluffy ...... so prove that this is not so, anyone say that the earth is not round and that Assad is a fanatic, etc.
              Ps Have learned from the Americans? wink
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 October 2013 11: 06
                +1
                [quote = Xroft] Shalom to you friends from Israel. I do not write anything, I quoted what Oleg Chuvakin posted on this site. For me, this is proof wink[/
                A head for me to eat there
              2. Ptah
                Ptah 24 October 2013 11: 12
                +3
                Quote: Xroft
                Shalom to you friends from Israel.

                Do not stoop to banal excuses. Do not appreciate.
                Quote: Xroft
                , google to help you search and upload

                Radish horseradish is not sweeter. If not laziness, then roll them pictures of attacks on the Palestinian territories with rockets stuffed with white phosphorus. Such in bulk in the Internet. Let them justify themselves.
                They will begin to sing that "they were used exclusively for marking the territory."
                The pictures are terrible after such "markings", especially the wound and mutilation.
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 24 October 2013 11: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Ptah
                  white phosphorus filling

                  How scary it sounds, white phosphorus, horror !! Do you really see the difference between white phosphorus as a destructive element and low concentrations for use in smoke ammunition, which is not prohibited by international law? The main thing is to write white phosphorus, and what is where and how on the drum. With this logic, it's high time to arrest you, there is vinegar in any house, from which it is not a problem to make acetic anhydride, and then RDX is just a stone's throw away. Near "almost hexogen", in the kitchen, and pokes us with some kind of white phosphorus, you hypocrite !!!
                2. atalef
                  atalef 24 October 2013 11: 38
                  0
                  Horrible
                  Representatives of the Syrian opposition claim that the army of the Bashar al-Assad regime has again used chemical weapons: in the Adra region (northeast of Damascus), militants were fired on by shells with white phosphorus.

                  Reuters, citing the Syrian opposition, reports that as a result of the shelling, at least two people died and 23 were injured. The injured were taken to a hospital in the city of Duma, where doctors identified the burns as characteristic of injuries resulting from a rupture of phosphorus munitions.

                  By the way, Russia has not acceded to the Convention on the Prohibition of Phosphorous Ammunition, Can't You Tell Why?
                3. Oberst_71
                  Oberst_71 24 October 2013 12: 22
                  0
                  Whose will you be?
                4. Dezzed
                  Dezzed 29 October 2013 21: 45
                  0


                  Comrade Xroft above enlightened:

                  "This weapon leaves the victim's body intact on the outside, but when penetrated, renders muscle tissue lifeless."


                  somehow unlikely to be real damage



                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Фосфорные_боеприпасы

                  here is an example of white phosphorus hit
              3. Doctorleg
                Doctorleg 24 October 2013 12: 04
                +2
                Quote: Xroft
                Shalom to you friends from Israel. I do not write anything, I quoted what Oleg Chuvakin posted on this site. For me, this is already proof (a person takes it out of his head and relies on the investigation of a journalist) and you are trying to say that * the ram * is not yours and in general we are white and fluffy ...... so prove that this is not so, anyone say that the earth is not round and that Assad is a fanatic, etc.
                Ps Have learned from the Americans? wink

                It looks like you learned from the Americans. Whoever blames, he gives evidence. And so, you killed cashier Sidorov and took his place. And the documents were forged (Kartsev's miniature). Now get upset wink
            2. Oberst_71
              Oberst_71 24 October 2013 12: 21
              -2
              so no one should prove to anyone. it is so clear
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          3. Pimply
            Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 47
            -5
            Quote: Xroft
            I will answer you 3 times, google for your help and look for and post a rebuttal that this is not so. Oleg Chuvakin’s words are quite enough for me.

            You are charging. The charge requires justification. If the prosecution does not bear justification, it is considered as libel in case it is directed at a private person, or an attempt to incite ethnic hatred if directed at a group of persons, a country, etc. Both that and another jurisdictional affairs. In one case, the administrative code, in the other - the Criminal Code, up to two years. Are you aware that you are currently committing a felony?
            1. Xroft
              Xroft 24 October 2013 14: 32
              +5
              Do you know that you are now trying to slander me and distort my words? Article 128.1 Article 307. Watch your behavior and statements in the first place, otherwise the article of the Criminal Code is also shining.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 24 October 2013 14: 37
                -3
                Quote: Xroft
                Do you know that you are now trying to slander me and distort my words? Article 128.1 Article 307. Watch your behavior and statements in the first place, otherwise the article of the Criminal Code is also shining.

                Have you read this article for fun? I recommend.
                I demanded from you confirmation of your lies. You do not have them - and you fell into a tantrum. You are engaged in a criminally punishable case on the site - inciting national isolation. Up to two years.
                1. Xroft
                  Xroft 24 October 2013 14: 44
                  +2
                  Have you read? if you think this is a lie, this is not true. Until 5 years for 2 articles, what you do on this site.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 24 October 2013 15: 42
                    -7
                    Quote: Xroft
                    Have you read? if you think this is a lie, this is not true. Until 5 years for 2 articles, what you do on this site.

                    I, unlike you, read, and understand what and in what cases is slanderous, or incitement to national isolation. And I also know how and for what reasons to make a statement of claim to the prosecutor's office so that it is accepted for consideration.
                    1. old man54
                      old man54 24 October 2013 16: 15
                      +5
                      Quote: Pimply
                      And I also know how and for what reasons to make a statement of claim to the prosecutor's office so that it is accepted for consideration.

                      OOOO! Here it is, primordial, national, it climbed out of you !! Well, no arguing against blood and genes, anyway! negative
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 44
        -7
        Quote: Xroft
        There is medical evidence that Israeli troops used a new type of weapon in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon: this weapon leaves the victim’s body intact from the outside, but when it penetrates, makes muscle tissue lifeless, charring the liver and bones, clotting blood.

        If exists, bring it. With reference to two authoritative sources and with expert evaluation. Otherwise, it’s a lie. And a lie, in this case, as a means of ignition, falls under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
        1. beard999
          beard999 24 October 2013 16: 29
          +7
          Quote: Pimply
          And a lie, in this case, as a means of ignition, falls under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

          Puffy, did you set as your goal to intimidate the Criminal Code of Russian users of topwar? Do you think someone is seriously scared of you here? Are you ready to answer for your words? OK. Then proceed to any actions - click the "Report a violation of the rules of the site" button or write your complaints to law enforcement agencies. But to replace the site administration and engage in the interpretation of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, to the best of your understanding, stop. Your regular comments to other participants in the discussion about what they can write on the site and what not, have already gotten enough. Not for you to decide, definitely.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 24 October 2013 16: 52
            -3
            Quote: beard999
            Puffy, did you set as your goal to intimidate the Criminal Code of Russian users of topwar? Do you think someone is seriously scared of you here? Are you ready to answer for your words?

            I’m ready for my own.
            1. kotvov
              kotvov 24 October 2013 18: 50
              0
              I read your comets and impression as a movie about lawyers (Zhirinovsky) I watched. You are NUDNY. You wouldn’t go to Israeli sites. Your garbage (comets) clog the ether (site)
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 24 October 2013 16: 58
            +4
            Quote: beard999
            Pimpy you set as your goal to intimidate the criminal code of Russian users

            I would have answered something like this from the very first words to me. Threats are also criminalized. And since I basically bring "them" into the emergency situation, and in general I don't see it "point-blank", then I don't have the opportunity to do this.
            Give in case that the hosting of the VO site is located on a German server (it’s easy to specify in the evening where exactly) and if he at least makes a mistake in international legal relations, he will admit that no judge will tear his ass off the chair for the sake of a slightly offended Jew . Let on a considerable resource as VO.
      3. Archibald
        Archibald 24 October 2013 18: 29
        +1
        Again this nonsense pulled out from somewhere.
      4. Dezzed
        Dezzed 29 October 2013 21: 36
        -1
        Quote: Xroft
        and applying in local conflicts.


        Comrade or at least some links toss (more serious than "There is medical evidence")
        or do not throw charges.
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 24 October 2013 12: 49
      +4
      Yes, what kind of scientists do they have. they were learned in America, Russia, and Britain by scientists. and what is their school?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 53
        -4
        Quote: Oberst_71
        Yes, what kind of scientists do they have. they were learned in America, Russia, and Britain by scientists. and what is their school?

        That is why scientists educated at Haifa Technion and Tel Aviv University received Nobel?
        1. smirnov
          smirnov 24 October 2013 16: 16
          +5
          Duck yours and distribute these "Nobel Prizes", and knowing the passion of your people for any bonuses wink they’re getting their own. Recently, it’s not at all embarrassing.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 24 October 2013 10: 27
    +6
    Israeli officials never confirm but deny Israel’s nuclear weapons in their statements
    - IAEA inspection of their nuclear facilities. Refuse - to impose sanctions.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 October 2013 10: 58
      -4
      Quote: Native American Joe
      Israeli officials never confirm but deny Israel’s nuclear weapons in their statements
      - IAEA inspection of their nuclear facilities. Refuse - to impose sanctions.
      Sanctions for violation of the contract that did not sign?
      An interesting development of events. Maybe in this case, to impose sanctions on Russia because it doesn’t allow .... to marry on the recommendation of a human rights commission.
      You probably don’t understand the basic principle of law, you don’t undertake, you don’t violate, but forcing Israel to join the NPT failed, the IAEA voted unambiguously against it.

      Arab countries failed to hold a resolution at the IAEA calling on Israel to join the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT).

      Representatives of 51 states, including the USA, EU countries, Norway, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan and South Korea, spoke out against the adoption of the resolution. 43 states voted in favor - Arab and Muslim countries, Russia, China and South Africa. Representatives of 32 states abstained or were not present during the voting. ...

      The world community has unambiguously expressed its opinion, 51 against, 32 two in general on the drum, 43 for (exclusively Muslim countries) + Russia, China and South Africa
      You can dream as much as you want, but the IAEA is against and this is a fact
      1. Xroft
        Xroft 24 October 2013 11: 06
        +4
        Well, let's not sign a treaty and arrange genocide? (Doesn’t it remind anything?) Will this be a normal political action? why are you offended by this all your life. Also about the non-proliferation of chemical and nuclear weapons. This is the norm for any civilized state.

        The world community is not the United States + Great Britain and 49 satilites that gear on them. The entire list of countries is either dwarf states that cannot even be called a community, or specific ones about American friends who sign everything they say to them in Washington.
        Live the reality we all know the current politics and bootstory of the UN. Do not protect yourself with this, it looks ridiculous .....
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 October 2013 11: 27
          -4
          Well, let's not sign a treaty and arrange genocide? (Doesn’t it remind me of anything?) Will this be a normal political action? why are you offended by this all your life. Also about the non-proliferation of chemical and nuclear weapons. This is the norm for any civilized state.

          You are probably talking about an anti-personnel mine ban treaty signed by almost the whole world, with the exception of Russia, let’s now impose sanctions on it and accuse it of genocide, because thousands and thousands of real people die from them every year, and not the actual ones from Israeli nuclear weapons

          Also about the non-proliferation of chemical and nuclear weapons. This is the norm for any civilized state.

          If all your evidence about the availability and distribution as well as the use by Israel of these types of weapons comes down to - Dude wrote.
          I can suggest using my head not only for food, but also for hammering nails
          The world community is not the United States + Great Britain and 49 satilites that gear on them. The entire list of countries is either dwarf states that cannot even be called a community, or specific ones about American friends who sign everything they say to them in Washington.

          Like non-Arab countries with Russia and China, 82 countries spoke unequivocally in the minority. Together with such advanced countries as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Srmali, Bangladesh, Niger, South Africa, Egypt, in short, developed in the normal sense of the word
          Live the reality we all know the current politics and bootstory of the UN. Do not protect yourself with this, it looks ridiculous

          So I say, live reality, far from everything that you think is right, real, fair - your opinion is far from the only and certainly not always right (more precisely, neither yours, but Dude, you don’t have your own) .....
          by the way about the UN - you appeal to it, we have put it on it for a long time and far, if we listened to the UN - we would not have been there for a long time

          .
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            1. Pimply
              Pimply 24 October 2013 14: 08
              -7
              Quote: Denis_469
              I write this openly here only because the Jews are so stupid that they are not able to understand what they are told.

              Violation of the rules of the site.
            2. atalef
              atalef 24 October 2013 14: 10
              0
              Quote: Denis_469
              Quote: atalef
              by the way about the UN - you appeal to it, we have put it on it for a long time and far, if we listened to the UN - we would not have been there for a long time



              I write this openly here only because the Jews are so stupid that they are not able to understand what they are told.
              .

              yes, there is no prophet in our own country, we are waiting for the messiah, but he is here, he is hanging out on the forum laughing
            3. Katsin1
              Katsin1 24 October 2013 16: 02
              -2
              Denis, are you ready to answer for the bazaar? What responsibility are you ready to bear when after 5 years you screw up with your forecast?
            4. atalef
              atalef 24 October 2013 20: 47
              0
              Quote: Denis_469
              It is enough to say that in the Old Testament (Torah) it was written that the New Testament will replace it.

              you will not give a reference? Read together

              Quote: Denis_469
              For 4000 years they have been reading their Torah and cannot deduct it in any way. Therefore, I am extremely calm.

              I have no doubt. without knowing a single letter in Hebrew, you can be calm.

              Quote: Denis_469
              . . Only because of the natural stupidity of the Jews.

              you must have confused us with someone. belay
            5. faraon
              faraon 25 October 2013 01: 05
              0
              The Jews are so stupid that they even managed to mess with their roof - the United States. And who will protect them now? And without a roof, Israel is a khan. Even nuclear weapons will not save him.

              You dear, do not worry who will be our roof. I will tell you directly without any inversion-RUSSIA, and now I will explain why.

              Russia will not miss such an opportunity for one simple reason, that whoever "protects Israel" owns the entire Middle East. This strip of land for which 4000 (your source says so) my says more constant bloody wars are going on.

              And now let's turn the question 180 degrees — do you really think that the states will give Russia Israel (in connection with the end of the project), such a tidbit where the bridgehead is for invading the Middle East in case of war, will give up its bases, its warehouses, It's expensive You are our strategist, not Afghanistan, and not even Pakistan. Here is a region with developed infrastructure, both in the civilian and military spheres, to your potential enemy of Russia.

              So for Russia, this is a tidbit both in terms of civil and military, is not a strip of berth in Tartus (Syria).
      2. Denis
        Denis 25 October 2013 02: 57
        0
        Quote: atalef
        in Russia, in this case, impose sanctions for the fact that she .... ram does not allow to get married
        Should all mud be confused with weapons?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 24 October 2013 12: 49
      -1
      Quote: Injun Joe
      IAEA
      conducts inspections only in countries that have concluded a non-proliferation treaty. Iran, for example, has concluded an agreement, but it is actively violating its provisions - for which there is a sanction heap.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 24 October 2013 13: 15
    +9
    You need to learn from Israel how to hide traces. Molodtsy. All emotions are broken on the reinforced concrete: "And you prove ..." This is what you need to take an example from, you need to work cleanly. Iranian scientists, officers were shot on the territory of the same Iran. everyone knows who, why and why, but ... Everything is clean, there are no traces. "And you prove it!" Study, study and study again.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: revnagan
      .Study, study and study again.

      And do the same with them.
    2. apostrophe
      apostrophe 24 October 2013 16: 01
      +2
      No, it’s easy to get to fascist methods. Let the Jews go this way, while their dad is behind them.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 16: 22
        +3
        Quote: Apostrophe
        Let the Jews go this way

        Substituting the second cheek, we will achieve even less.
    3. Dezzed
      Dezzed 29 October 2013 21: 52
      0
      Quote: revnagan
      everyone knows who, for what and why


      Is that what the woman Klava on the bench told?

      your statement is not serious
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 24 October 2013 15: 25
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    yes, there is no prophet in our own country, we are waiting for the messiah, but he is here, he is hanging out on the forum

    And I am not your prophet or messiah.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 15: 55
      +4
      Quote: Denis_469
      And I am not your prophet or messiah.

      Well, I disappointed the children. laughing They really need a prophet, they need to offer their own. There is a candidate - Moses Ivanovich Susanin. wassat What would reduce to walk for forty years in the Smolensk swamps ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 24 October 2013 16: 28
      -1
      Quote: Denis_469
      And I am not your prophet or messiah.

      Nevertheless, you try to speak with them.
    3. atalef
      atalef 24 October 2013 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: Denis_469
      And I am not your prophet or messiah.

      Yes, in general, I had no doubt, but now I understand that with your sense of humor, it’s really bad.
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 24 October 2013 16: 35
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    Nevertheless, you try to speak with them.

    Not trying And I will not try. Jews and most Jews serve Satan, and to me this is not the way.

    The one you are waiting for is described in the Bible as the Antichrist. He will mow down under Christ and descend from heaven.

    I just know how to think and see the development of events along with development plans. So far, the situation is developing precisely according to such a plan. If something changes in the future, then the plan will change. And if everything goes as it goes, then the calculated result will be like that.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 24 October 2013 16: 53
      0
      Quote: Denis_469
      Not trying And I will not try. Jews and most Jews serve Satan, and to me this is not the way.

      Bravo
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      1. Archibald
        Archibald 24 October 2013 18: 39
        +3
        Do not be sad, snarl something life-affirming.
    3. Archibald
      Archibald 24 October 2013 18: 38
      +1
      Do not read at night anything exciting the nervous system ...
    4. atalef
      atalef 24 October 2013 20: 50
      +2
      Quote: Denis_469
      The one you are waiting for is described in the Bible as the Antichrist. He will do zakos under Christ and descend from heaven.

      What are you saying . is it written?
    5. faraon
      faraon 25 October 2013 01: 24
      +1
      Denis, do not bother yourself with Jehovah's testimonies, for they are not witnesses, since they did not leave Egypt on the parting sea, did not stand on Mount Sinai, did not see the greatness of God, which of them are witnesses.

      So do not talk about matzo mixed from the blood of Christian babies, and other nonsense. Then you will see the development of events with all your development plans.
      I’ll describe to you approximately how events will develop, but I will start from point B

      If the states merge Israel, as one forum participant put it, "the closure of the Israeli project due to lack of money." Then the USA will be replaced by RUSSIA. For the reason that He who owns Israel, then owns the entire Middle East, that is, it turns out as in the new testament "Cursing you (Israel) - I will curse him who blesses you (Israel) - I will bless you. "
      Well, if the states do not merge Israel, then this is the answer to point A
    6. Dezzed
      Dezzed 29 October 2013 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Denis_469
      Jews and Most Jews Serve Satan


      everyone has arrived. smell of psychiatry ...
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 24 October 2013 16: 37
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Well, I disappointed the children.

    Stupid are the kids. Not knowing that their antichrist (or the one they are waiting for) should be a Jew. Born from a Jewish prostitute. And I'm Russian. And my parents are both Russian. So they are not looking there.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 24 October 2013 17: 12
      +3
      Quote: Denis_469
      So they are not looking there.

      Bravo!
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: Denis_469
      Stupid are the kids.

      And here you are mistaken. Their goals are as follows. And they go to them very competently. Pimpled may not be in the subject, he is just offended by his swamp, but the Hasidim with their ideology are clearly in the subject.
    3. Katsin1
      Katsin1 24 October 2013 20: 25
      -1
      And Christ from which woman was born? From Russian?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 24 October 2013 20: 39
        +2
        Quote: Katsin1
        And Christ from which woman was born? From Russian?

        Hmm, a strange question.
        Don't you know that Christ was born in Ukraine? Great Ukrainian He! Like the ancestors of Gautama Buddha!
        This is from the newspaper "Voice of Ukraine", which is the official publication of the highest legislative body of Ukraine - the Verkhovna Rada.

        At least retold referring to her, it is true how serious this information ...
        request
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 October 2013 20: 51
          +4
          Quote: Cynic
          Don't you know that Christ was born in Ukraine? Great Ukrainian He! Like the ancestors of Gautama Buddha

          No . Ukrainians descended from the Atlanteans.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 21: 00
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            No . Ukrainians descended from the Atlanteans.

            Well, at least you flattered. good + to you. It can be seen that the advice of the child, the sense of humor did not atrophy. laughing
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 25 October 2013 12: 13
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              A sense of humor did not atrophy.

              Black humor.
              According to one of the conspiracy theological versions of the history of the development of civilizations (or civilizations) on our planet, Atlantis was an overseas colony of Hyperborea.
              The rebellion against the metropolis led to their mutual destruction!
              hi
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 October 2013 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: Katsin1
        And Christ from which woman was born? From Russian?

        Well, it’s you who bit for the holy. lol Of course from Gusskaya. laughing And it’s not vicious. We call it, the wind blew. God sent him to you, the lost sheep of Israel, but instead of listening, you took and crucified him. But here, too, profited, pay attention to the spread of Jews around the world, it happened along with the spread of Christianity. An accident? Hardly. But you are promised in the Torah that you will eat the fruits of which you did not grow? So eat, but silently, for when I eat, I am deaf and mute. I, either, God forbid, I also remember Andryusha Yushchinsky.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 25 October 2013 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And it’s not vicious. We call it, the wind blew.

          But this topic is not a reason for humor.
          Such a possibility has been scientifically proven and confirmed, though the probability ...
          An occasion to think to peasants, not a weak occasion.
          what
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 25 October 2013 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: Cynic
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And it’s not vicious. We call it, the wind blew.

            But this topic is not a reason for humor.
            Such a possibility has been scientifically proven and confirmed, though the probability ...
            An occasion to think to peasants, not a weak occasion.
            what

            YES in the case of some types of mutations (not in the sense of science fiction, but a normal biological mutation - that is, a normal and not so rare process) is possible. In this case, the set of genes of the germ cell is duplicated in one cell ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 14: 08
              0
              Quote: il grand casino
              YES for certain types of mutations

              Guys, why are you? The possibility of such a mutation is practically unreal. But the opportunity on the part of the child to earn is much more likely. I met examples myself. And with all due respect to your religious feelings, but I do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. repeat Most likely, Joseph’s neighbor is to blame laughing
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 25 October 2013 18: 01
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Guys, why are you?

                Himself when enlightened (daughter biologist) I felt a little uncomfortable!
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The possibility of such a mutation is practically unreal. But the opportunity on the part of the child to earn is much more likely.

                And who is arguing?
                But you won’t erase words from a song!
                And science is at the service of man!
                So the men will always be ready, otherwise ...
                It will turn out like in that Polish film. NEW AMAZONS
      3. old man54
        old man54 24 October 2013 21: 38
        +1
        Quote: Katsin1
        And Christ from which woman was born? From Russian?

        no, from 100% Jewish, moreover, she was from the "Levites" clan, your priests ... s, and she married a simple carpenter Joseph, a poor one, and she was from a very rich clan, noble and ancient ! And she didn’t give a damn about all these even then religious prohibitions and dogmas of yours and married someone she loved and went to live with him in poverty, but she was very happy. Didn't you know that? laughing Well, of course, they don’t tell such things in the synagogue, that’s understandable! bully
        and for this, all her relatives (almost) turned her back on her, immediately when she was still married, and after that she was cursed because of her elder son. Oh, you ... Jews! recourse fool So Jissus was 100% Jewish by blood, but in spirit and outlook he was not to them, for which you should be grateful to him until the end of time, Jews!
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Their goals are as follows. And they go to them very competently.

        Well, they seem to go to them, yes, they try, every day we watch their efforts on TV: there is a war, there is an "orange revolution", there is hunger, there is still some gamna! But will they come to their goals, huh? I really doubt it! angry There, comrade Stalin, 70 years ago, understood everything and perfectly voiced Kolontai (2 sentence):
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 24 October 2013 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: old man54
    Sad, a little ...

    Well, sad. True and a little joyful. Because according to predictions, when the appearance of Antichrist, some Jews will not accept him and are baptized. So not all of them are missing.

    Quote: old man54
    But these here on the site, in no way want to admit it

    They want to be white and fluffy. And to admit such a death is similar to them.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 24 October 2013 17: 37
    +3
    Hmm. On the website "Voennoye Obozreniye" there is empty religious chatter.
    1. Massik
      Massik 24 October 2013 17: 46
      +5
      If we compare the number of comments in articles on a military and political topic, then the latter is 2-3 times superior))) "Aaaaa, come on, I’m talking about a gun, and you tell me about politics again ...."
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 24 October 2013 18: 06
    +6
    I don’t want to offend anyone, let alone point a finger, but I have long noticed that deeply, one can say fanatically, believers need little to express their point of view. No, they will debate hoarse, they just need to accept their truth, they hate dissent in any form.
    Interestingly, the highest hierarchs of religious confessions, who received a versatile and deep education, are much more tolerant of other religions and of atheism than most of these "faithful".
    R.S. Well, it will begin now angry
    1. Archibald
      Archibald 24 October 2013 18: 41
      +1
      Hit the point.
    2. Motors1991
      Motors1991 24 October 2013 18: 57
      0
      I agree with you, the neophytes always want to be holier than the Pope. And I can add on the topic. Recently, the MIG-25 fighter was discussed on the site, and so a special stratospheric bomb was developed for it, which flew 40km when dropped. Hot heads proposed to be bombed with these the nuclear center in Dimon was bombed, but the top party leadership forbade it. It is generally interesting why the USSR did not help the Arabs to destroy Israel in the late 60s and early 70s, or rather we helped, but helped so that the Arabs could not defeat in any way. The Egyptians first understood this, therefore they drove out our advisers, and then they made peace with Israel, why fight, if they won’t let us win anyway.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 24 October 2013 20: 37
        +2
        Quote: Motors1991
        Rather, we helped, but helped so that the Arabs could not win


        True, the Soviet Union helped the Arabs, because they announced the building of socialism, but they helped in a limited way, weapons were provided for defense, and we did not need anything to get involved in the war on the side of the Arabs, we needed peace in the Middle East.
        Egypt will not be able to defeat Israel very soon, the level of development is too different, besides, Israel will never accept defeat, and neither America nor Europe will allow it to destroy, rather they will help Israel destroy the Arabs, if at all possible. Everyone needs peace in the Middle East, though everyone sees it differently.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 October 2013 20: 57
          +2
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          True. The Soviet Union helped the Arabs, because they announced the construction of socialism, but helped to a limited extent, arms were supplied for defense

          You can nomenclature of defensive weapons. Like for example - floating pontoon bridges. engineering equipment for forcing tank ditches, etc. The USSR supplied the weapons that they asked and bought from him (more precisely, they borrowed it) and they needed it for nothing in defense.
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 24 October 2013 22: 05
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            and they needed it, well, in no way for defense.

            Well, for Israel then, and now, any armed Arab aggressor.
            I have no illusions about Arabs, but you are good too
        2. Katsin1
          Katsin1 25 October 2013 01: 48
          +2
          Russia does not need peace in the Middle East, because then oil prices will fall and the Russian economy will collapse with them. Therefore, Russia is doing everything in its power to ensure that there is no peace in the Middle East
      2. atalef
        atalef 24 October 2013 20: 54
        0
        Quote: Motors1991
        Rather, we helped, but helped so that the Arabs could not win

        Quote: Motors1991
        The Egyptians first understood this, therefore they drove out our advisers, and then they made peace with Israel, why fight, if they won’t let us win anyway.

        Yes . and another conspiracy theory.
      3. Katsin1
        Katsin1 25 October 2013 01: 58
        +1
        In the late 60s, an attempt to destroy Israel would end for the Council with a war with the United States, as the Kremlin knew this. And in the early 70s, the destruction of Israel was no longer relevant, since by that time Israel had become a nuclear power
        1. Motors1991
          Motors1991 25 October 2013 13: 51
          +1
          The USSR has already fought with the States in Vietnam and quite successfully, and as for Israel itself, ask yourself why the Soviet leadership did not instruct its pilots to achieve air superiority over Israel or at least equality, as was done over Khalkhin Gol, Korea, and Vietnam. There was one battle that you still remember when 5 planes with Soviet pilots were lost and that’s all. And I asked myself the question: Why didn’t there continue, why did the Soviet leadership backtrack after the first failure, somehow it’s not for us It seems that despite the fact that at that time in Vietnam our aces fell the same Phantoms on which the Israelis flew. Agree not logically, in Vietnam they were not afraid of Americans, but in Israel they were scared. Why? The answer is one: the defeat of Israel, read the destruction , it wasn’t included in the Soviet plans otherwise for air supremacy they would have fought hard and not the fact that Israeli pilots would have won the war. An experience of the 73rd year showed that without air superiority even such a well-trained army as the Israeli becomes unstable. In this case, no courage stopped the advance of the Arab armies. Therefore, I affirm that the keys to the gates of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem were in Leonid Brezhnev’s pocket and he them did not want to use it.
          1. faraon
            faraon 25 October 2013 17: 01
            0
            Let me answer this question. Your version is fundamentally wrong.
            The fact is that the USSR, both then and now the Russian Federation, observes international laws and rights. To this it was obliged by the status of a great power. So, according to these laws, the USSR could provide military technical assistance to the "fraternal country", but it could not participate (openly ) in hostilities, otherwise it turned out that the Soviet Union had declared war on some kind of power and was waging military operations against it - this is a war. The USSR, as you remember, was called the bulwark of peace, and this firebrand was not in his hands.
            As assistance was provided, the USSR sent equipment of military specialists, advisers, translators, but in no case was a soldier.
            The fact that our pilots flew in the first numbers is not a secret; the second numbers went for the pilots of the country in which the vehicles and military specialists were located.
            As for the losses of Soviet pilots, up to the 80s it wasn’t even budgeted for this money in the budget of the Ministry of Defense, and they buried it with the collected money of colleagues on the obelisk, they wrote that they died while fulfilling their duties. (Ask anyone who took part in military conflicts of that time)
            As for the battle, when five Soviet pilots were shot down by Israeli aviation. Israeli pilots knew the arrangement of numbers in the combat formation. They cut off the second numbers, forcing them to return to the airfield, whom they did not finish, and the first numbers were left without interruption, then nothing depends on the pilot. shot down, and evidence was presented to the whole world that the USSR was taking part in the Middle East conflict. In short, the Egyptians had fallen ..... left Soviet pilots in a situation unfavorable for the battle, but they themselves were washed off.
            So it was. And not your speculation, But Brezhnev himself understood what kind of adventure Nasser had drawn him into.
  • vadutc
    vadutc 24 October 2013 23: 01
    +1
    read the argument here, etc. what to argue

    Perhaps, not a single topic about Israel is shrouded in such a fog of secrets and omissions as the issue of possession of nuclear weapons by this country, which remains outside the framework of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), which was open for signing in 1968. In their statements, Israeli officials never confirm, but do not deny the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel, and information on its nuclear weapons and plans for their possible use remains closed, not officially recognized and isolated from other events within the country's life.


    Israel in a word, well, or you can recall any joke about the Jews and immediately everything is clear
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 25 October 2013 02: 49
    +4
    This article is not about Jews. We started with the captured "Schmeisers" now have weapons that can be envied. And we will sift through the remnants of the former power and they are Chinese or Indians without a difference.
  • Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 25 October 2013 03: 51
    +2
    Normal, interesting article. A lot of information. But how to interpret this information, let everyone decide for himself.
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 25 October 2013 07: 35
    -1
    THE CRIMINAL COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL, which has already made TONS of URANIUM BOMBS ... CURE, TEACH, BOMB the surrounding countries?
  • Rumata
    Rumata 25 October 2013 10: 26
    +2
    Quote: Sanyht
    TONS OF URANIUM BOMBS

    =))))) Thank you, three words so cheer up in the morning, well done!
  • ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 25 October 2013 13: 13
    0
    Anyone who applies or gives an order for the use of nuclear weapons is not a person and must be judged for crimes against humanity stop
  • faraon
    faraon 25 October 2013 13: 14
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    [quote = Sanyht] THE COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT - A CRIMINAL, who has already made TONS OF URANIUM BOMBS ... TO TREAT, TEACH, BOMB the surrounding countries? [/ qu
    Even there is no right to exist. But one thing: They come from all over the world to be treated, do scientific research in various fields, transfer technologists from medicine to agricultural production, with Russia alone, the turnover of $ 4 billion.
    so I think you reconsider your views.

    Well, the fact that there is a weapon of mass destruction as it is and no one says that it does not exist, and the nuclear weapons treaties have not been ratified for one reason - that Europe has legalized sexual minorities, they are now beginning to dictate their conditions under the guise of democracy, impose their image thoughts and other things. Israel has a different path, it cannot rely on a geyropa, it is obliged to take care of itself for this, and this type of weaponry is needed. Well, how much it is there is not important. One or a hundred, but the very existence of nuclear weapons cools hot heads and makes you think about the future.
  • faraon
    faraon 25 October 2013 16: 39
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: il grand casino
    YES for certain types of mutations

    Guys, why are you? The possibility of such a mutation is practically unreal. But the opportunity on the part of the child to earn is much more likely. I met examples myself. And with all due respect to your religious feelings, but I do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. repeat Most likely, Joseph’s neighbor is to blame laughing

    Maybe a woman becomes pregnant during the immaculate conception, in my friend’s practice, it all depends on the biological structure of the woman’s vagina or the man’s reproductive organ. I hope everyone understood me and should not show it on my fingers. But there are such cases.

    I don’t want to hurt anyone’s religious feelings, let everyone remain of their own opinion, but there is a legend that Mary had a beloved Roman soldier who had problems with a member (he was cut off in battle, in those days it was not uncommon) Here he is a stump and tried. when Mary realized that something was wrong with her (she became pregnant), she informed her parents about it, her parents turned to the rabbi, the rabbi took her for Joseph, and explained about the immaculate conception.
    In general, somewhere like that.
  • Katsin1
    Katsin1 26 October 2013 00: 48
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    So it is, but remember, Pharaoh, that you and I will be anathematized :-)
  • demiurge
    demiurge 26 October 2013 23: 56
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    All weapons must be tested, and nuclear weapons even more so. Something is not visible anywhere about the Israeli test of atomic weapons. Even if Israel has it, there is great doubt that it is operational.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 27 October 2013 12: 32
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      Quote: demiurge
      Something is not visible anywhere about the Israeli nuclear test

      Why? Spent and even sort of together or with the help of South Africa!
      Yusovsky satellite registered. And for a scientific explanation of the fact that a registered nuclear explosion is an instrument error, Yusovsky scientists developed a whole theory that, with a powerful thunderstorm and a number of exceptional atmospheric conditions, a satellite can take a discharge of atmospheric electricity for a nuclear explosion! The film was even shot!
      hi
  • faraon
    faraon 27 October 2013 08: 57
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    Quote: Katsin1
    So it is, but remember, Pharaoh, that you and I will be anathematized :-)

    Already anathema, but I'm not particularly worried. In this case, I express my opinion on this issue, someone does not like it, someone likes this is their personal business.
  • faraon
    faraon 27 October 2013 09: 07
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    Quote: demiurge
    All weapons must be tested, and nuclear weapons even more so. Something is not visible anywhere about the Israeli test of atomic weapons. Even if Israel has it, there is great doubt that it is operational.


    Why do you think so? it all passed the test, And is in the arsenals of the state. in order to be used at a time when there will be no other arguments. So there should be no doubt about this.
    The question is different why Iran should not have this type of weapon.?
    Iran is a country with an unstable regime, constantly violating the decrees of the UN Security Council, threatening another country at the international level (dusting it with nuclear weapons). And these are not toys, because the other side can give a fitting rebuff, and what a nuclear catastrophe will come of. but not a war in which everyone will suffer. Will such a scenario of events suit you?
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 27 October 2013 09: 19
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      Quote: faraon
      Iran is a country with an unstable regime, constantly violating the decisions of the UN Security Council, threatening another country at the international level
      This wording is even more suitable for the US than for Iran. Since it not only threatens, but also unleashes wars, spitting on the UN Security Council and its decisions. And already using nuclear weapons, all the more so in the case when there was not even a direct military need for this.
      1. faraon
        faraon 27 October 2013 11: 27
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        Well, you think that it’s beneficial for the United States, but then it’s beneficial for Russia to have a nuclear power close by. It is striving for hegemony and dictatorship in the whole east. It is striving to build a world caliphate. But the thing is that Iran will soon dictate its terms blackmailing the world with a nuclear threat.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 27 October 2013 12: 49
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      Quote: faraon
      it all passed the test, And is in the arsenals of the state.

      Can this phrase be considered an official recognition of the existence of nuclear weapons in the state of Israel?
      laughing
      Quote: faraon
      A nuclear disaster, not a war in which everyone will suffer.

      Not everyone . And the further the less!
      Well, along with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they will also mention Tel Aviv and Tehran.
      And what ?!
      1. faraon
        faraon 27 October 2013 13: 16
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        As for nuclear weapons in Israel, it’s not a secret to anyone, here on the forum they even brought up the exact number of warheads, delivery methods, types of carriers, etc., etc., so it would be ridiculous to deny it and why.

        As for the victims of nuclear exchange, the whole chain of countries possessing nuclear weapons will be launched. That will automatically lead to a nuclear disaster, because Israel will have nothing to lose in a nuclear attack, Israel will use its full nuclear potential. And only God knows where it will fly. All neighboring and distant countries know this, so a catastrophe is not inevitable.

        As for Iran, a country with an unstable regime, governed by Ayatols (religious leaders) who rule the country on the basis of the Koran, but it is not necessary to forget what is written in the Quran about relations and military alliances with infidels, so you don’t have to comfort yourself with the thought of friendship forever, there’s a good example of Afghanistan. I think that it’s not worth giving examples of how the great revolution in Afghanistan was carried out, what the Soviet propaganda machine told us, and what the consequences were when the USSR was in Afghanistan. As for the USSR, so today Russia .

        It's not about Hiroshima and Tel Aviv. The thing is different, as soon as Iran has nuclear weapons, then blackmail from Iran will not slow down. If we have peace and cooperation with Azerbaijan, as well as the Caspian, then Iran has Azerbaijan with Azerbaijan territorial claims.
        I think so, it would be much more profitable for Russia to strengthen Azerbaijan rather than Iran.
        Well, the fact that Iran has a tracking system for Nato’s ships in the Persian Gulf is not a secret, the GLONAS system, which, when properly configured, tracks everything and everything. So this is not a convincing argument.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 27 October 2013 16: 44
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          Quote: faraon
          as for the victims of nuclear exchange, then the whole chain of countries with nuclear weapons will be launched.

          Not invariant.
          Quote: faraon
          Israel will have nothing to lose in a nuclear attack, Israel will use its full nuclear potential. And only God knows where it will fly

          This is more specific.
          In the ears, straight noise is reproduced by the indignant publicity _ So the bestial nuclear grin appeared J.Mido ! Bay railways save the race!
          Hmmm.
          I'm really happy with the versatility of the phrase
          “We wanted the best, but it turned out as always”
          and yours faraon immediacy.
          What do you think, your argument will protect ?! Yes, he includes Tel Aviv in the group of goals _ Destroy just in case. away from sin.
          With such patriots, the Land of the Promised Enemy Propaganda is not necessary to be afraid of, your own is better!
  • faraon
    faraon 27 October 2013 09: 13
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    Quote: ramin_serg
    Anyone who applies or gives an order for the use of nuclear weapons is not a person and must be judged for crimes against humanity stop

    And if he still gives the order ????? There will be no one to judge, since a retaliatory strike will follow, and this is a nuclear disaster as a result of which everyone will suffer,
    So is it necessary to give the right to have nuclear weapons to a state with an unstable government that supports both the politically and economically terrorist activities of Muslim gangs and groupings. Do you promise to wipe out countries that do not agree with the politics of this country?
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 10 November 2013 05: 34
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    Quote: Xroft

    What do you think, your argument will protect ?! Yes, he includes Tel Aviv in the group of goals _ Destroy just in case. away from sin.


    So this is the whole trick - it cannot be destroyed with impunity - this is the idea of ​​nuclear weapons. And away from sin, it’s best not to touch. bully
  • BB2117
    BB2117 2 January 2014 20: 14
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    Instead of a thousand words.
  • Spartan
    Spartan 31 January 2014 22: 13
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    Yes, they have no nuclear weapons! Reading is funny !! Israel's last hope is the USA !!!!