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Modernization of the BTR-50P from "Muromteplovoz"

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Armored personnel carrier BTR-50P was developed in the early fifties of the last century, but still remains in service with several countries. In the parts and in the storage there are several thousand of these machines. The successful design of the BTR-50P armored personnel carrier as a whole and its individual units made it possible to operate the vehicles for several decades. Moreover, according to some indicators, primarily to overcome water obstacles, various modifications of the BTR-50P still remain among the best in the world. However, it should be noted that over the past since the beginning of the mass production of 60 years, the armored personnel carrier is outdated and no longer meets a number of requirements for modern technology of this class.


Modernization of the BTR-50P from "Muromteplovoz"


Some foreign countries have already attempted to update the BTR-50P of various modifications and improve the characteristics of this machine. Seeing the demand for renovation projects of obsolete armored personnel carriers, the Muromteplovoz enterprise created its own version of the modernization. The new project involves the installation of a number of new systems and units. In this case, the armored body and chassis of the base machine do not undergo major changes. This feature of the modernization reduces the cost of re-equipment of the combat vehicle and, as expected, should favorably affect the commercial prospects of the project.

The basis for the modernization project of the BTR-50P can be considered the installation of a new engine that can provide a significant increase in performance. The four-stroke diesel engine YMZ-7601 with turbocharging has a rated power at the level of 300 HP. The increase in engine power compared to that used earlier compensates for the increase in the combat mass of the machine, which, after modernization, is 15670 kg. According to the company "Muromteplovoz", the use of a new engine allows you to increase the maximum speed of the armored personnel carrier by 40% and the average speed by 50%. Thus, the maximum speed when driving on a highway is declared at the level of 63 km / h. When driving on water with the help of two water jets, the upgraded BTR-50П can accelerate to 10,1 km / h.

The use of a new power plant of greater power allows improving not only the driving characteristics of the combat vehicle. The new engine reduces fuel consumption and reduces the cost of operation, repair, etc. As a result, the use of the YMZ-7601 diesel engine has a positive effect on the entire life cycle cost of the armored personnel carrier. In addition, it is argued that the use of new units of the power plant and transmission extends the life cycle of the BTR-50P armored personnel carrier by 15 years.

For the convenience of landing and landing, some changes have undergone the body of the armored personnel carrier. In accordance with the modernization project, it is proposed to make two hatches on the sides of the troop compartment. Earlier, soldiers could get into the car and leave it only through the hatch in the roof of the troop compartment. It is expected that the use of new side hatches will reduce the risks associated with the defeat of bullets and shrapnel. First, the side hatches can cover the soldiers during the landing (like the hatches used on the BTR-80), and secondly, the landing party no longer needs to get out on the roof of the armored personnel carrier and descend from it to the ground.

To support the landing, the upgraded armored personnel carrier BTR-50P receives a full-fledged combat module MB2-03, replacing the turret with a machine gun. The combat module is similar to the turret used on the BTR-80A armored personnel carrier, but differs in the composition of equipment and weapons. The upgraded BTR-50P carries an 30-mm automatic 2A42 cannon, a PKT machine gun and an AG-7,62 automatic grenade launcher of the 17 mm caliber. In addition, two triple-barreled smoke grenade launchers 30В are mounted on the front of the tower. The armament is equipped with a two-plane stabilizer. The rotating tower allows you to direct a gun, a machine gun and a grenade launcher at any angle in azimuth. Permissible elevation angles range from –902 ° to + 5 °. The combat module MB70-2 is designed in such a way that the entire ammunition ammunition is located inside the armored hull of the base vehicle.

For guidance weapons the crew of the updated armored personnel carrier has a TKN-4GA sight. This device is equipped with a thermal imaging channel, which allows the gunner of an armored personnel carrier to attack the enemy’s manpower and equipment, including lightly armored, at any time of the day. If necessary, the gunner of the modernized BTR-50P can fire at aerial targets: low-flying aircraft or helicopters.

The use of a new power plant and a full-fledged combat module instead of a turret with a machine gun has significantly improved the characteristics of the upgraded BTR-50P armored personnel carrier. Of course, even after updating a number of units, an armored personnel carrier created in the middle of the last century will not be able to compete with modern developments due to a significant update in the requirements for vehicles of this class.

Nevertheless, the project of the company "Muromteplovoz" may be of interest to small states, in service of which the outdated equipment remains and which can not acquire armored personnel carriers of new models. In this case, the modernization project of the BTR-50P turns out to be one of the most convenient ways to increase the combat potential of the relevant ground forces units for a moderate fee. Thus, in the near future, the first contracts for upgrading equipment or for the supply of individual components for upgrading armored personnel carriers by the customer can be signed.






On the materials of the sites:
http://muromteplovoz.ru/
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
http://vpk.name/
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  1. edge
    edge 23 October 2013 08: 55
    15
    It’s high time to include enterprises in the upgrade systems of obsolete military equipment, here you can also have decent money and increase production capacities, especially since most countries of the 3rd world need repair bases and qualified personnel to restore and improve their equipment.
    1. Su-9
      Su-9 23 October 2013 09: 01
      +7
      Here are the questions:
      1) Where is he still in service? (in active formation and not in storage)
      2) Isn't it cheaper instead of upgrading the BTR-50 to simply change it to the BMP-1 / 2?
      1. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 23 October 2013 09: 21
        12
        Quote: Su-9
        Here are the questions:
        1) Where is he still in service? (in active formation and not in storage)
        2) Isn't it cheaper instead of upgrading the BTR-50 to simply change it to the BMP-1 / 2?

        In combat units it is not, it is on conservation. At one time, I served an urgent service in a motorized rifle regiment, we had an BTR-50, a good car, but landing on top was problematic, high, soldiers sometimes broke their legs. And in terms of seaworthiness, this car is amazing, as they say, we know smile
        I wish her a long life and successful modifications.
        1. Versed
          Versed 23 October 2013 12: 55
          -18 qualifying.
          The Russian army loves junk and trash - the main amount, not thinking about the lives of soldiers. But modern technology should be like this

          BTR Hawk for the US Marine Corps



          BTR Boxer (Germany)



          CV90 Sweden

          1. cdrt
            cdrt 23 October 2013 13: 53
            0
            Quote: Versed
            The Russian army loves junk and trash - the main amount, not thinking about the lives of soldiers. But modern technology should be like this

            BTR Hawk for the US Marine Corps



            Hmm ... well, in response to the BTR Hevok it will be to you - BMP Kurganets-25.
            That one is not in service, that of the other.

            LVTP7 when was it born there?
            LAV-25?
            1. Versed
              Versed 23 October 2013 15: 39
              -7
              will be with you, but not now, and it is not known when

              The US Army has 4180 units - 9 Stryker brigades

              Firepower



              crew and landing defense



              Modularity, mobility

              1. anomalocaris
                anomalocaris 23 October 2013 16: 19
                +7
                Alas, Stryker is complete and hopeless shit. Even compared to the BTR-80. By the way, the Americans themselves understand this. So there is no question of any "firepower". And no one forbids watching commercials ... Look and rejoice ...
                1. roial
                  roial 23 October 2013 16: 32
                  +1
                  Alas, Stryker is complete and hopeless shit.


                  Justify dear. Do you have proof of this ??
                  Or are you chasing the pluses ??
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 23 October 2013 16: 35
                    +1
                    The proof is maddeningly simple. Suffice it to look at the quantitative ratio of brigades of light, heavy and "striker"
                    1. Captain
                      Captain 24 October 2013 10: 56
                      0
                      They were not planned to be created in large numbers.

                      The Stryker brigades are faced with the task of rapidly deploying in geographically remote areas as soon as possible, creating conditions (a bridgehead) for the deployment of general forces and conducting military operations in low-intensity conflicts.
                2. bask
                  bask 23 October 2013 18: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: anomalocaris
                  you Stryker is complete and hopeless shit

                  Are you from what sources sluggish. Or just like that ******.
                  Quote: roial
                  Justify dear. Do you have proof of this ??

                  He has no evidence whatsoever, so he blurted out into the bushes.
                  ,, Piranha-3, LAV-25 ,,, Stryker ,, modern APCs.
                  Now they are modernizing, installing mine protection.
                  We have nothing of the kind, all hope for a boomerang.
                  1. anomalocaris
                    anomalocaris 23 October 2013 19: 24
                    0
                    And the undercarriage, baby, how are they being modernized there? Or is this device able to move with a destroyed gear wheel?
                    1. bask
                      bask 23 October 2013 21: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: anomalocaris
                      And the chassis, baby, where are they being modernized

                      I answer am - baby.
                      Upgrade ,, Stryker ,, includes: the establishment of additional armor
                      V-shaped bottom.
                      New suspension, and engine-transmission compartment with an engine capacity of 400 l / s.
                      The new suspension allows you to better distribute the additional load, and a more powerful engine - to restore the speed and acceleration characteristics of the machine.
                      Quote: anomalocaris
                      Or is this device able to move with a destroyed gear wheel?

                      This device, with the destruction of the wheel gear (even two from the same side) will move without problems.
                      1. bask
                        bask 23 October 2013 21: 56
                        +2
                        Here baby another video, LAV-25.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 23 October 2013 23: 29
                        +2
                        This, of course, is cool, but the modernization is not going so fast. Two of the eleven brigades were hardly re-equipped with new ones, and recently they scrapped up money for re-equipment of another one. The truth is not the fact that they are not sequestered.

                        And the original "striker" is not much different from the BTR-80. Unless the weapons are clearly weaker.
                3. Abracadabra
                  Abracadabra 24 October 2013 00: 10
                  -1
                  Above, the video how Stryker saved the crew with the landing, although it was blown up on a land mine. I have not seen a single video of what remained of the APCs at lower power bombings in Chechnya.
                  1. anomalocaris
                    anomalocaris 24 October 2013 16: 17
                    0
                    HE CAN SURVIVE ... That's just a small nuance, I KNOW how to do it so that he would not survive ...
            2. Abracadabra
              Abracadabra 23 October 2013 23: 20
              +1
              Of course, you need your own technique .. But will the new technique meet the declared qualities? Or will the soldiers ride on armor again? There are n.p. there is one enterprise in Germany, it is engaged in the disposal of Leo1, Marders, etc. Already about 10 units of armored vehicles have been sawn .. At the moment they have 000 Marders and are waiting for their fate .. I was thinking, why should the Russian leadership not hurry and not take these cars? Indeed, in Afghanistan, they showed how high quality they are. There was a detonation on a very powerful land mine, but such a force that Marder threw up and he stuck his nose into the ground .. Only the mechanized drive was killed, the remaining 1000 crew members survived .. Any BMP, armored personnel carrier with such an explosion breaks into pieces, but this one did not split seams, remained intact. The Germans no longer need the Marders, they have a Puma, in my opinion the most protected and combat infantry fighting vehicle in the world at the moment, the only one whose MSA can be compared with a modern tank, this is of course High Tec and the Germans will sell it to anyone in the near future. But for Russia, Marder would be very useful, at least because of the technologies, albeit old, but high-quality and proven. If we also install the Berezhok module and attach it to the Relic, then it would be quite a cool machine for operations in the Caucasus.
          2. smart ass
            smart ass 23 October 2013 16: 05
            +1
            Duck here it is that Denmark has an ARMY ??
            1. Abracadabra
              Abracadabra 24 October 2013 00: 17
              -1
              Denmark, of course, has an army and is even quite combat-ready. I saw a video of how they urinated with the Taliban in a village and were rather bold and effective, the corpses of the Islamists looked scary in the ditches .. Well, they have Leo2 and other things.
          3. catapractic
            catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 23
            0
            the article is about armored personnel carriers for 3 countries of the world
      2. air wolf
        air wolf 23 October 2013 11: 13
        -3
        I agree, the fuck is junk, for export please
        1. alone
          alone 23 October 2013 22: 08
          +2
          BTR-50 has long served its purpose. Who needs it.
      3. Abracadabra
        Abracadabra 23 October 2013 23: 01
        0
        I often saw such videos in Syria .. Or am I mistaken? Or is there a Syrian modification BMP1, similar to this car?
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 October 2013 04: 34
          +1
          Quote: Abra Kadabra
          I often saw such videos in Syria .. Or am I mistaken?

          In Syria, a large number of these machines. In a civil war, everything will come down.
  2. old man54
    old man54 23 October 2013 08: 59
    11
    hmmm ... interesting notion! I agree with the author that in the new configuration the BTR gets the 2-th life. The machine is very reliable, tested by 60 over the years of operation, and when combined with a new combat module, it generally acquires quite shocking capabilities. I don’t see the point in not being able to modernize the BTR-50 armored vehicles in the RF Armed Forces like this. And then there’s MLTB driving everything into the mountains, for lack of another, but it seems to me, and especially with the new engine, that the 50 will be more interesting after modernization, and it’s hardly inferior in terms of cross-country ability. hi
  3. Professor
    Professor 23 October 2013 09: 01
    -22 qualifying.
    How many copies were broken yesterday, but here is the modernization of the next coffin. God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...
    PS
    Trophies:


    1. Su-9
      Su-9 23 October 2013 09: 06
      17
      Well, that is absolutely not necessary right away. For example, have you been to Gabon? There would even be such a pepelats for happiness for a "regular" unit. This is from my own experience.
      Not everyone is fighting against the IDF.
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2013 09: 12
        +2
        What does the IDF have to do with it? Why upgrade armored vehicles of the 1955 model? She has not met the requirements for half a century. I will repeat my yesterday's opinion, until they get rid of this rubbish and keep them in the army "modernizing" and there will be no new modern technology. As you know, there is nothing more permanent than temporary.
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 October 2013 09: 21
          +3
          У Professors all the coffins. But here I agree with him. It does not need to be modernized but thrown away. Although your neighbor Egypt is in no hurry to refuse it.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 October 2013 09: 44
            -8
            Quote: Akim
            У Professors all the coffins. But here I agree with him. It does not need to be modernized but thrown away. Although your neighbor Egypt is in no hurry to refuse it.

            Not all coffins, but this one is 100%. Egypt is a mysterious country, they still celebrate the victory over Israel in 1973 ...
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 23 October 2013 13: 56
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: Akim
              У Professors all the coffins. But here I agree with him. It does not need to be modernized but thrown away. Although your neighbor Egypt is in no hurry to refuse it.

              Not all coffins, but this one is 100%. Egypt is a mysterious country, they still celebrate the victory over Israel in 1973 ...


              Like in a long joke:
              - Alesander of Macedon - if I had SA tank forces, I would conquer the world
              - Caesar - if I had the Airborne Forces, I would have won the war in Gaul in half a year
              - Bonaparte - if I had the Pravda newspaper, I would never have learned that I lost at Waterloo laughing
            2. catapractic
              catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 29
              +1
              yes, havery is their national myth. I remember in Cairo, my Arab friend and hoarseness proved that it was a grand victory for the Arab army and did not respond to all my arguments.
          2. old man54
            old man54 23 October 2013 09: 47
            15
            Quote: Akim
            The professor has all the coffins. But here I agree with him.

            but what is it, the BTR-50, modernized, fundamentally worse than the same BTR-82A? request Protection? Armament? Or is it better to have no armored personnel carrier, so, with your feet?
            1. Akim
              Akim 23 October 2013 09: 52
              0
              Quote: old man54
              but what is it, the BTR-50, modernized, fundamentally worse than the same BTR-82A?

              To many. Thickness, angles of inclination of the armor, outdated chassis. Although the BTR-82A is not a standard to follow.
              1. catapractic
                catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 31
                +1
                Papuans come down to drive
          3. Su-9
            Su-9 23 October 2013 10: 13
            12
            Professor, Akim, if the BTR-50 is used in Africa, then there it is not a coffin, but a floating armored firing mechanism. In addition, a frightening Aboriginal and similar to a tank. Anything better than a killed pickup truck with a PKK on a tripod.
            And about the modernization - I also think that if anyone has money for remotorization and installation with a new gun, then it is more profitable to buy a used BMP1 / 2, and if you still hang ceramics with screens, then in general a class.
            But I make a reservation right away - it's all about poverty.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 23 October 2013 10: 16
              +1
              Floating cars in Africa are not particularly in demand.
              1. Su-9
                Su-9 23 October 2013 16: 29
                +4
                Well, if in equatorial, then it is quite necessary. In the same Gabon, there are more rivers than 1000 bridges. smile
              2. bask
                bask 23 October 2013 19: 06
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                Floating cars in Africa are not particularly in demand.

                In Africa, MRAP and tanks are in demand.
                UN soldiers of the Zimbabwe army in Samali.
                MRAP ,, Crocodile ,, made back in South Rhodesia.
                1. catapractic
                  catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 33
                  +1
                  super technique for super soldiers laughing
            2. Akim
              Akim 23 October 2013 10: 24
              +1
              Quote: Su-9
              But I make a reservation right away - it's all about poverty

              Scare the tribe is not enough and not a modernized machine. Africa is not such a big market for them. Old tanks that can be bought for an amount equivalent to this modernization are more valued there.
            3. roial
              roial 23 October 2013 14: 29
              0
              Anything better than a killed pickup truck with a PKK on a tripod.

              You think so??? And what is he better
              that excessively eats fuel?
              so that to manage it you need a trained person?
              so that its speed is three times less than the pickup?
              so that it costs like 10 pickups with RPK?
              ..
              ..
              ..
              ..
              1. Su-9
                Su-9 23 October 2013 16: 45
                +1
                One to one is better in battle, isn't it?
                Everything else is secondary.
                Again, the price of the BTR-50P does not matter, now none of the exploiters knows how much it cost in the original.
                As for the fuel - I agree. In this sense, remotorization makes sense.
                Speed ​​is important when reeling up mostly. And since the bulk of the pehurt in Africa is on foot, what’s the difference.
            4. old rocket man
              old rocket man 23 October 2013 15: 09
              +5
              Quote: Su-9
              And about the modernization - I also think that if anyone has money for remotorization and installation with a new gun, then it is more profitable to buy a used BMP1 / 2, and if you still hang ceramics with screens, then in general a class.
              But I make a reservation right away - it's all about poverty.

              Actually, the BMP-1 \ 2 Fighting vehicle, and the BTR-50 transport armored vehicle, which is not intended for combat, although it has weapons, or are you going to transport ammunition and transport artillery systems using the BMP?
              1. Su-9
                Su-9 23 October 2013 16: 40
                0
                If the BTR is a transport vehicle, then only remotorization is needed, an expensive combat module on the roof is useless, given the hypothetical poverty of the customer.
            5. alone
              alone 23 October 2013 22: 10
              +2
              Quote: Su-9
              Professor, Akim, if the BTR-50 is used in Africa, then there it is not a coffin, but a floating armored firing mechanism


              In Africa, every second rebel runs with RPG-7. Drushlag will be made of it.
          4. RoadRunner
            RoadRunner 23 October 2013 16: 30
            +5
            What to throw out, it is better to upgrade to the needs of the Ministry of Emergencies or someone else, all-terrain vehicles will come in handy everywhere.
          5. bask
            bask 23 October 2013 18: 08
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            b. It does not need to be modernized but thrown out

            Yes, the BTR-50 is morally and physically outdated.
            It is necessary to modernize GM GS 123 and make BTR / BMP based on it.
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 23 October 2013 09: 25
          0
          Quote: Professor
          until they get rid of this trash and will keep them in the army "modernizing" and there will be no new modern technology

          yeah ... here's a new replacement btr50
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 23 October 2013 09: 20
      13
      Quote: Professor
      ... God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...

      To fight, not to fight, and rear officers and doctors will be very welcome.
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 October 2013 09: 23
        +2
        Quote: Bulls.
        and the rear and doctors will be very helpful.

        Then we will send them artillery weapons?
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 23 October 2013 09: 33
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          ... Then we will send them artillery weapons? ...

          Useful! In addition, not only in our country, but also in Africa and Asia, many of these travel, they will order modernization if necessary ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 23 October 2013 09: 38
            0
            Quote: Bulls.
            here, but also in Africa and Asia, many of these travel, they will order, if necessary, modernization ...

            I repeat my question. Which countries have the money to upgrade it?
            1. Bykov.
              Bykov. 23 October 2013 09: 42
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              I repeat my question. Which countries have the money to upgrade it?

              Indonesia, for example.
              http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-793.htm
              1. Akim
                Akim 23 October 2013 10: 01
                +2
                Quote: Bulls.
                Indonesia, for example.

                It has been described that PAL Indonesia can upgrade it. Only the army will not order them, and the marines receive BMP-3 instead.
      2. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2013 09: 42
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Bulls.
        Quote: Professor
        ... God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...

        To fight, not to fight, and rear officers and doctors will be very welcome.

        Again, the problem, they drag armor for good reason and the ordinary caterpillar all-terrain vehicle is much more useful.
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 23 October 2013 09: 47
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          Again, the problem, they drag armor for good reason and the ordinary caterpillar all-terrain vehicle is much more useful.

          Armor! Armor, ALWAYS by the way, where they shoot!
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 October 2013 10: 07
            -5
            Quote: Bulls.
            Armor! Armor, ALWAYS by the way, where they shoot!

            Money for fish again? This is the armor on which they move, not which.

            Quote: ale-x
            Your trophies? Proud?

            No, not mine. request

            Quote: 0255
            and what, other equipment, except for the BTR-50, have never been captured? The fact that as many as 3 of them are exhibited in the Israeli museum does not make the BTR-50 bad. And the BTR-50 is not to blame for the fact that they were controlled by Arabs who did not know how to fight.

            They were captured in non-childish quantities, and the BTR-50 was well preserved (2 pieces) in a museum in Latrun. Although there is also in Kubinka.

            1. IS-80
              IS-80 23 October 2013 10: 30
              +7
              Quote: Professor
              This is the armor on which they move, not which.


              Professor, are you going to storm the fortified areas there? laughing
            2. Bykov.
              Bykov. 23 October 2013 10: 56
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              ... This is the armor on which they move, and not behind which ...

              What is this about?
              What prevents sitting behind the armor, huh? Is there a little place, you want to say, inside?
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 October 2013 11: 10
                -5
                Quote: Bulls.
                What prevents sitting behind the armor, huh? Is there a little place, you want to say, inside?

                You ask the fighters who move on the armor.
                1. Jager
                  Jager 23 October 2013 21: 47
                  +1
                  When firing from light weapons from an ambush, I would prefer to urgently dive into this very "coffin". The chance to survive is much higher. Anything better than reminding people around with your leaky carcass that it was not fools who invented armor.
                  They do not go on the attack on it. Great car for signalmen, doctors. For the transport of food, ammunition, tractor functions.
                  In the north, MTLB-based tractors and transporters are full of dead, what prevents them from cheaply being replaced with those taken from mothballed vehicles?

                  And in general, what prevented the delivery of a new diesel engine earlier? If there is documentation and the necessary spare parts, this operation will be performed at any sensible service station.
          2. Abracadabra
            Abracadabra 24 October 2013 00: 31
            -1
            I believe that this BMP50 armor-piercing bullet SVD can not stand .. And in Chechnya, such BMP bullets in the ass were full of holes. And what will happen to him if he even runs into a light mine or is fired upon from the 50th caliber? After all, even the most tattered African bandits have all these weapons. Therefore, in my opinion, there is no point in upgrading .. But to the north, or somewhere else, the same Africa for rangers, for example, but as it is, without modernization.
    3. ale-x
      ale-x 23 October 2013 09: 47
      +1
      Your trophies? Proud?
    4. 0255
      0255 23 October 2013 10: 02
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      Trophies:

      and what, other equipment, except for the BTR-50, have never been captured? The fact that as many as 3 of them are exhibited in the Israeli museum does not make the BTR-50 bad. And the BTR-50 is not to blame for the fact that they were controlled by Arabs who did not know how to fight.
    5. IS-80
      IS-80 23 October 2013 10: 21
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      How many copies were broken yesterday, but here is the modernization of the next coffin. God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...


      What a bloodthirsty professor you are, however. Why be sure to fight. You can, for example, just ride and swim. smile
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2013 10: 29
        -4
        Quote: IS-80
        What a bloodthirsty professor you are, however. Why be sure to fight. You can, for example, just ride and swim.

        You can hunt, especially with a machine gun ... laughing
        1. catapractic
          catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 39
          0
          yeah, the elephant and the hippo from the floating armored personnel carrier will not go away laughing
      2. Akim
        Akim 23 October 2013 10: 30
        +4
        Quote: IS-80
        What a bloodthirsty professor you are, however.

        They have such a country. That leaves a local imprint.
        1. catapractic
          catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 41
          0
          the country they have what they need lyuley neighbors hangs regularly, soon we will have to just as well fight with h ... booty Islamists
          1. Akim
            Akim 24 October 2013 04: 40
            0
            Quote: cataphractium
            booty Islamists

            Islamism is different. In secular Arab states he is controlled. But it is worth changing the power ...
    6. Alekseev
      Alekseev 23 October 2013 10: 43
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...

      And on what Sharon was transported to the rear of the Egyptians in 1973?
      The equipment is created for the tasks, for some the heavy Namer, for others just the BTR-50 with new weapons is what we need.
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2013 10: 49
        -6
        Quote: Alekseev
        And on what Sharon was transported to the rear of the Egyptians in 1973?

        Really on the BTR-50? wink


        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 23 October 2013 10: 56
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Really on the BTR-50?

          Not only. But the BTR-50 was there the same as the "float".
          And thanks for the photo, but I've seen it all "in nature".
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 October 2013 11: 07
            -1
            Quote: Alekseev
            Not only. But the BTR-50 was there the same as the "float".

            It was, but for some reason it was not used for its intended purpose. Now 40 years of that war are just celebrated and this was also discussed.
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 23 October 2013 11: 00
          +7
          Quote: Professor

          Really on the BTR-50?


          Introduced Sharon on a BTR-50 with the inscription "Forward to Cairo!" with a red flag with a hammer and sickle and a Star of David crossing under the fire of the Suez Arabs stunned by this. laughing The picture is of course epic. good
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 October 2013 11: 08
            +1
            Quote: IS-80
            Introduced Sharon at the BTR-50

            No BPR can stand it. There is either a tank or a pantone bridge. wink
            1. Abracadabra
              Abracadabra 24 October 2013 00: 34
              0
              He will not fit in the hatches :) How by the way is his health? Is he still in a coma?
      2. catapractic
        catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 42
        0
        it all depends on the crew
    7. Russ69
      Russ69 23 October 2013 11: 08
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      How many copies were broken yesterday, but here is the modernization of the next coffin. God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...

      Modernization is proposed to countries that are not able to purchase massively new equipment, for them this is one of the solutions. America doesn’t give everyone 3 billion a year for armament ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2013 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Russ69
        America doesn’t give everyone 3 billion a year for armament ...

        It is true only to Egypt and Israel. The rest falls less.
    8. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 23 October 2013 12: 00
      +5
      Quote: Professor



      How many copies were broken yesterday, but here is the modernization of the next coffin. God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...


      You yourself are a coffin! smile
      Of course, you don’t need it there in the deserts, but we would be very suitable for us to quickly cross the large and mighty rivers like Misisipi
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 23 October 2013 15: 18
        +2
        Quote: Baron Wrangell
        Quote: Professor



        How many copies were broken yesterday, but here is the modernization of the next coffin. God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...


        You yourself are a coffin! smile
        Of course, you don’t need it there in the deserts, but we would be very suitable for us to quickly cross the large and mighty rivers like Misisipi


        I support, and we have enough of our rivers, and riding in the expanses of our homeland on the BTR-50 will be cheaper than on the BMP fellow
    9. Per se.
      Per se. 23 October 2013 13: 33
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      God forbid anyone will have to fight on it ...
      The car has good seaworthiness, in Indonesia they upgraded the BTR-50, PAL-AFV, replaced the engine with a more economical and powerful, transmission, water cannons. The mass increased to 14 700 kg, but the speed increased from 45 to 60 km / h, with a crew of 3 man and 14 marines. The speed afloat is the same - 10 km / h. It turned out to be a good APC for the Marine Corps. We have their order of 1000 pieces in storage, why don't we also upgrade them for ourselves or for sale?
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2013 14: 21
        -2
        Quote: Per se.
        We have about 1000 of them in storage, why not upgrade them for ourselves or for sale?

        Two questions:
        1.level of mine protection?
        2.ballistic protection?
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 23 October 2013 18: 35
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          Two questions:
          The exam is always a holiday for me, professor ... but I will answer the question with a question, why focus on mine and ballistic protection here, if we are talking about amphibious qualities? You want to say that the American AAV-7 has a special level of these parameters if we are talking about solutions for PAL-AFV here. Finally, if we talk directly about the BTR-50, then Israel was in no hurry to dispose of old equipment, the same American M60 tanks, the British Centurion, like the Soviet T-54/55, were modernized, used, and came in handy on the farm.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 October 2013 09: 18
            +2
            Quote: Per se.
            why should we focus on mine defense and ballistic protection when it comes to amphibious qualities?

            Bravo. And I’m just about that. If you want an amphibian, take it from the one I posted. If you fastened armor and weapons, it means they will be sent to battle and off we go.
            The Americans do not modernize this junk and Israel immediately got rid of trophy armored personnel carriers. Tanks is a completely different song.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 24 October 2013 10: 42
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Tanks is a completely different song.
              Another song? Well, yes, if you make armored personnel carriers from tanks, T-55 - "Akhzarit", "Centurion" - "Nagmashot", "Merkava" - "Namer". Admit it, professor, water barriers are not relevant for Israel, and the territory is half the size of the Moscow region (22071 square kilometers versus 44379). Without a doubt, you can sacrifice floating equipment, be more calm about the range and cross-country ability. A show from the category "found" the Merkava of "mud", nothing more than an illusion, where on a solid bottom a kind of "swamp" was mixed around. It is not uncommon that the IDF's military operations are commensurate with police raids against terrorists armed with light weapons. That's right, the optimal structure of the army and armored vehicles has been found for Israel, but this is not a panacea for Russia.
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 October 2013 11: 16
                0
                What does Israel have to do with it? We are discussing the BTR-50. If you are interested, please. Israel practically did not use these and other floating trophy means and forced the Suez Canal with the help of other means. If in doubt about the presence of mud and swamps, then take an interest in the Ahula Valley, which previously divided Israel and Syria. Apart from "police operations" Israel periodically wages wars with well-armed armies. Is it a panacea for Russia on armor?

                On page 40 about the use of captured amphibians in Tsahal:
                page 64- bridge to Africa
                http://www.yadlashiryon.com/vf/ib_items/164/Shiryon_41.pdf








                PS

                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 24 October 2013 13: 59
                  +1
                  Yes, we are discussing the BTR-50, in our case it was about its modernization in Indonesia, PAL-AFV, and you make your verdicts without taking into account the specifics of the environment in Indonesia or Russia, namely, Israel. Nobody even says that Israel has bad equipment or a weak army, but its army and equipment are successfully adapted precisely to their region, their neighbors. Heavy armored personnel carriers would be useful to our explosives during special operations in the Caucasus, but in general these "soldiers on armor" are a hackneyed stamp. No one would go to the attack on armor, from Afgan it was justified by the fact that when the column was fired, usually from a mountain hill, it was possible to quickly dismount, taking up defensive positions. The convoy included not only armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, but also onboard vehicles, other equipment, including fuel trucks. You can undermine any target, it all depends on the power of the planted land mine. Here, of course, mine protection is an important factor, but if you do not go into the absolute, then not the least role is played by combat security, competent work of sappers and scouts, when organizing and conducting a military column.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 October 2013 14: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Per se.
                    Yes, we are discussing the BTR-50, in our case it was about its modernization in Indonesia, PAL-AFV, and you render your verdicts without taking into account the specifics of the specifics of the environment of Indonesia or Russia, namely, Israel.

                    I was just talking about Russia, about how Russian fighters ride on armor. Indonesia generally has a rest, they will buy things in a newer way. Leave Israel alone, it has nothing to do with it.

                    Quote: Per se.
                    No one will go on an attack on an armor

                    They will use armor when it performs its functions.

                    Quote: Per se.
                    You can undermine any target, it all depends on the power of the landmine.

                    Golden words, however, it is easier to build IEDs weighing 10 kg than 50 kg or more.

                    Quote: Per se.
                    Here, of course, the mine defense is an important factor, but if you do not get into the absolute, then the military guard, the competent work of sappers and scouts, in organizing and conducting an army convoy plays an important role.

                    Not the last, but not the first. But the corresponding ballistic and mine protection is the first.

                    PS
                    Did you follow the link?
                    1. Per se.
                      Per se. 24 October 2013 19: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Did you follow the link?
                      Thank you, professor, for the high-quality photos that up to your link, unfortunately, I am not good at reading in Hebrew.
    10. catapractic
      catapractic 23 October 2013 21: 26
      +1
      so let the Arabs and Negroes fight if only they would drip money
  4. Forget
    Forget 23 October 2013 09: 06
    +6
    I remember in the army, climbed into it to look, the design is quite interesting and still had water cannons.
  5. Akim
    Akim 23 October 2013 09: 11
    0
    Thus, in the near future, the first contracts for updating equipment or for the supply of individual components for the modernization of armored personnel carriers by the forces of the customer can be signed.

    Who of the countries is interested in the modernization of the BTR-50? Of all the countries that own it, only Syria has (or had) money, but now it is not up to it. Cuba and the DPRK themselves can.
    1. Foamas
      Foamas 23 October 2013 13: 46
      +7
      Quote: Akim
      Who of the countries is interested in the modernization of the BTR-50?

      Interest is possible in Vietnam, they have about 300 units. and the terrain corresponds
      in general, "Muromteplovoz" loves to fight something from the storage reserves and finds customers even in Russia, since 2011 it has been modernizing the BTR-60 (92 units) for the Air Force
      Airfield Guard Machine
      Diesel in the center, the landing compartment has aft doors, weapons: 12,7mm, 7.62mm and AGS.
      (photo clicks)
  6. Sanok8711
    Sanok8711 23 October 2013 09: 15
    +5
    Before you start a real record about coffins, at least take the trouble to find out what they were for.
    1. Professor
      Professor 23 October 2013 09: 41
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: Sanok8711
      Before you start a real record about coffins, at least take the trouble to find out what they were for.

      What was the floating armored personnel carrier intended for? Really for interplanetary travel? wassat
      1. Sanok8711
        Sanok8711 23 October 2013 09: 51
        +9
        For mega troll on the Internet bully , to overcome water obstacles, and not to conduct hostilities.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 23 October 2013 10: 06
          +1
          Dear, if you install a combat module on the BTR-50, then it will certainly be used as a means of supporting infantry. With all the problems arising from this
        2. Professor
          Professor 23 October 2013 10: 13
          -2
          Quote: Sanok8711
          For mega troll on the Internet bully , to overcome water obstacles, and not to conduct hostilities.

          Well yes. Floating all-terrain vehicle for the continuation of water obstacles is not suitable?



          1. Sanok8711
            Sanok8711 23 October 2013 11: 28
            +9
            Probably the fact that these need to be bought, and those are in stock. And so for reference, PTS-2 is the one that is red and MTLB is the further development of the BTR-50. But BMP-1 (2) and BTR-80 have a completely different concept. And stop trolling you get paid for it or something? Better watch the movie below, it was made by much more intelligent people than you hi
            1. smirnov
              smirnov 23 October 2013 13: 05
              +5
              At such moments our "professor" usually quietly disappears ... laughing
              1. Sanok8711
                Sanok8711 23 October 2013 13: 52
                +2
                This is exactly laughing The most interesting person has nothing to do with the army, but thinks of himself as an expert in absolutely any military technology, and the Soviet one only with the sign "-", as he was silent about the Merkavas here and about their armored personnel carriers based on the T-55. bully
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 23 October 2013 13: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Sanok8711
                  The most interesting person to the army and close has nothing to do

                  In Israel, it is difficult to have nothing to do with the army.
                  1. Sanok8711
                    Sanok8711 23 October 2013 13: 57
                    +1
                    And who told you that he is of draft age or lives in Israel?
                2. Abracadabra
                  Abracadabra 24 October 2013 00: 44
                  -1
                  And if you think about it, is it worth it to modernize a car that can’t withstand shelling with armor-piercing from the SVD, or a krupnyak, or undermining an ancient Soviet mine? Maybe I'm wrong, and some armor still withstands something?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 24 October 2013 04: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Abra Kadabra
                    Is it worth it to upgrade a car that can’t withstand shelling with armor-piercing from the SVD, or a groats, or an explosion on an ancient Soviet mine?

                    With this approach, it is generally not worth modernizing Soviet equipment. But you need to understand the concept of using the BTR-50 or BMP-2.
                    1. Abracadabra
                      Abracadabra 24 October 2013 13: 45
                      -1
                      If the equipment does not correspond to the modern tasks of combat and significantly modernize, the most important thing for the BMP / armored personnel carrier-protection, no matter how it works, then why ... torture? What was the concept of application over the past 30 years, from Afgan to Georgia? How many water barriers did you have to cross? When these machines were being created, there were still no developed anti-tank systems, "anti-material" - sniper rifles. The tasks were different. In general, there was one main scenario - a huge, multimillion-dollar armada, tens of thousands of armored vehicles, across the entire width of the border, between the Warsaw Treaty countries and western Europe, from sea to sea, to make a quick offensive, raid on NATO positions, right up to the strait between England and France. For some reason, I am sure that the Soviet strategists proceeded from the fact that a certain number of all these infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers would have to be knocked out, but the bulk of them will fulfill their task, since the main density of fire would have consisted of 7,62 and below callibers. For such a scenario, the technique was sharpened, this was also perfectly demonstrated by the identified technical problems in Afghanistan - weak mine resistance, lack of power in mountainous areas, weak circular armor, insufficient gun pointing angles. And this whole concept was relevant until the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Warsaw Treaty. Today, at least so in the west, or rather in the Bundeswehr, groups of motorized riflemen on high-security infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers operate in the same group with tanks and attack helicopters. That is, they move together. And what would be the point if infantry fighting vehicles with a landing force quickly cross the river, and the tanks have to wait until they organize a crossing?

                      If the possibility of forcing water barriers or landing on the shore is so important, then why should the machine be poorly protected? After all, the Koreans were able to make a floating, but also well-protected and with good armament of the BMP.

                      "BMP K21 is a 25-ton amphibious tracked armored combat vehicle (crew / landing - three / nine people), equipped with a 40-mm automatic cannon and a 7,62-mm machine gun. The cannon can fire three types of ammunition, including APFSDS (Armored Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot) armor-piercing feathered projectiles with a detachable pallet (rate of fire 300 rds / min)

                      To combat targets with enhanced armor, the vehicle is equipped with an Israeli-developed Spike ATGM with a range of up to 4 (Spike-LR) or 8 km (Spike-ER) and armor penetration up to 700 or 1000 mm, respectively. "

                      My IMHO - domestic infantry fighting vehicles due to their design and the tasks that were set for them when they were created, is not subject to modernization. To bring them to the level of K21, Cougars, etc. it will take more money than to create a new car.
            2. Professor
              Professor 23 October 2013 14: 07
              +2
              Quote: Sanok8711
              And stop trolling you get paid for it or something?

              Of course they pay. Regarding the materiel, the all-terrain vehicles that I brought in are suitable for overcoming water obstacles, and not for conducting military operations, for which, in your opinion, this wonderful armored personnel carrier was created. Bullshit full, armored, armed and not for warfare.

              Quote: Sanok8711
              The most interesting person has nothing to do with the army, but thinks of himself as an expert in absolutely any military equipment, and the Soviet one only with the "-" sign, how he was silent about the Merkavas here and about their armored personnel carriers based on the T-55

              You are right, I no longer have anything to do with the army, I honestly served my best when I sniffed gunpowder. Will have to and will be in the army again. I never called myself an expert, but I just turn on common sense. Technique by the way does not happen Soviet and American. She is alien to nationality. It is effective or not. And who did the third thing to her. For example, my favorite Ka-52 helicopter, it does not fit with your theory.
              1. Sanok8711
                Sanok8711 23 October 2013 14: 12
                +4
                You have already said this more than once, I work at the factory where it is produced, I will reveal a terrible secret, the PTS-2 has ballistic armor (this is the one that is red). And even there is a turret for the PKT, I hope you can guess for what purpose, to be honest, I do not believe that you served, or as in that song about the grain cutter, projectionist, and clerk.
              2. 1c-inform-city
                1c-inform-city 23 October 2013 20: 27
                +1
                Professor, I have been honestly silent for a long time about your opus, but now I understand why Israel has no right to exist.
          2. Baron Wrangell
            Baron Wrangell 23 October 2013 13: 36
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Well yes. Floating all-terrain vehicle for the continuation of water obstacles is not suitable?

            Professor! why did you stop thinking in the desert!
            The BTR-50 was specially created to force rivers, a magnificent floating tank was built on its base, and water-jet propulsors were used to move on water.
            And these ATVs on water move at the expense of caterpillars, (except for the lower orange one) ento amphibian and not off-road) And the GTSM tried to enter the SA, even created on its base GTLB (lightly armored, without weapons) but immediately realized that it wasn’t pulling for the army, removed)
            And the BTR-50 is a more modern engine and more modern armor, and it would have served well as weapons.
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 October 2013 14: 24
              0
              Quote: Baron Wrangel
              Professor! why did you stop thinking in the desert!

              Young man, do not be rude to adults.

              Quote: Baron Wrangel
              And ati all-terrain vehicles on water move at the expense of caterpillars, (except for the lower orange) ento amphibian and not off-road)

              Will this suit you?

              1. Sanok8711
                Sanok8711 23 October 2013 14: 52
                +3
                PTS-M and what? Further development of the BTR-50 is only sharpened more for crossings. What did you mean by that?
              2. Baron Wrangell
                Baron Wrangell 23 October 2013 15: 20
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                Young man, do not be rude to adults.

                keep silent about age! I would like to become a young man! but grandchildren do not let age be forgotten.
                smile
                Quote: Professor
                Will this suit you?

                This thing is far from being armored, I’ll say more, when I entu thing, (PTS-2) it was this one that was made at the enterprise where I work. It was created for the engineering troops, for the transfer of manpower and equipment, as well as the guidance of pontoon ferry. Armament one machine gun!
                1. Sanok8711
                  Sanok8711 24 October 2013 00: 44
                  0
                  No, this is not PTS-2, but PTS-M, everything is correct, except for crossings, it does not deal with this.
            2. Sanok8711
              Sanok8711 23 October 2013 14: 24
              +5
              BTR-50 was created not for crossing rivers, but for river crossings, because river crossing is carried out in direct contact with the enemy, crossing in the second echelon at a distance of at least 1 km from the front line, like this. The armored personnel carrier is armor. The TRANSPORTER is intended not for supporting infantry on the leading edge, but for delivering drugs to this very edge, including through water barriers, there was no tarp on the first ones. then the concept changed, and in addition to delivering drugs, they were assigned the support function, and then in the 2nd tier. For a professor, even in the depths of defense there can be sabotage groups that attack columns of equipment, as well as enemy aircraft, and the front line can quickly move, so the pancakes are put on them by turrets and easy reservations.
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 October 2013 14: 36
                -2
                Quote: Sanok8711
                professors, even in the depths of defense there may be sabotage groups that attack columns of equipment, as well as enemy aircraft, and the front line can move quickly, which is why the turrets put light on them and easy booking.

                This armored personnel carrier was created to participate in hostilities. Hence the reservation and weapons. About the diversionary groups have fun. But what about these? Are they not people?
                1. Sanok8711
                  Sanok8711 23 October 2013 14: 48
                  +4
                  PARTICIPATION! but not leading them at the forefront. But these are very deep where there is no such danger. Professor I don’t know where you served, when and in which army, and I doubt that I served at all, but I wouldn’t have awarded a bonus to your officer who trained you OTP and TSP. Too long to write about what are the extension routes, engineering reconnaissance of these routes, water barriers and the front line of the enemy. What are combined arms means of crossing the river. What is the difference between crossing the river and crossing, where APCs are used, where are infantry fighting vehicles and where are trucks. Why I put this combat module on this APC, I have no idea, this machine was not originally intended for what you think. And do not carry nonsense, but I said look at the movie there everything is VERY detailed.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 23 October 2013 15: 00
                    -1
                    This film was given to you 70 years ago. We are discussing this car today with current dangers. In the 50s, fighters also did not ride on armor.
                    Where there is no danger and reservation is not required, and where it exists and trucks are booked. This was not dozens of years ago.

                    Total, armored personnel carrier this atavism of pure water and its modernization is a waste of money.

                    PS
                    Do not worry about me, he served in the army.
                    1. Baron Wrangell
                      Baron Wrangell 23 October 2013 15: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      Do not worry about me, he served in the army.

                      the question is what? and by whom?
                    2. Black Colonel
                      Black Colonel 23 October 2013 16: 08
                      +5
                      Dear Professor!
                      I do not attribute myself to anti-Semites and my attitude to Jews is no worse than to my Slav brothers. But here, your, excuse me, Jewish way of answering a question with a question suggests that you often try to inflate squabble and nothing more. negative
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 23 October 2013 16: 11
                        -3
                        Quote: Black Colonel
                        I do not attribute myself to anti-Semites, and my attitude towards Jews is no worse than to my Slav brothers.

                        Happy for you.
                        Quote: Black Colonel
                        But here, your, excuse me, Jewish way of answering a question with a question suggests that you often try to inflate squabble and nothing more.

                        What is the actual question? Where did I serve? Firstly, I have already reported this, and secondly, this is relevant. hi
                      2. Sanok8711
                        Sanok8711 24 October 2013 00: 49
                        +1
                        If you served then far, I came across your photo how the Jews crossed the river and how, and I realized that you either don’t have rivers, or you don’t have any idea what boost is, and your only knowledge is which search engine to hammer the right word into. And finally, I’ve gotten right here with the guys from your pics, this is a complete scam and ignorance of the elementary wassat
  • Igor39
    Igor39 23 October 2013 09: 22
    +7
    Of course, upgrade and send to the regions with rivers and swamps. It will come in handy someday. In a good household and a bull ... rope. laughing
  • Metlik
    Metlik 23 October 2013 09: 40
    +7
    A good base for a command vehicle. Instead of the module with the cannon, put the UAV and the Andromeda complex.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 23 October 2013 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Metlik
      ... a good base for a command vehicle ...

      The signalmen also have something useful to install in such a large volume compartment. Yes, you never know for what else, it can come in handy, it will be better, replaceable.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 October 2013 10: 13
      +2
      Then it needs to be modernized in the same way as the Belarusian "Minotor-service" (those that created the BRM 2T "Stalker"). They leave only the body of the original machine. Sometimes with alterations.
      And such an upgrade is not very cheap. However, this can be done, at the bases of the Republic of Armenia about 1000 units are ready to cut into needles.
  • cobalt
    cobalt 23 October 2013 09: 44
    +5
    The BTR-50 was created for the concept of using our troops in hostilities at the borders of the 50-60s and met the requirements of that time. And now his ability to overcome water obstacles does not lose its relevance. I am generally surprised by the current concept of equipping mechanized units with non-floating armored vehicles. And inside the Russian Federation and to the west of us there are a lot of water barriers: rivers, swamps, lakes. How to effectively attack troops without floating armored vehicles. And the reconnaissance on "Lynx", will reach the first stream and get up, and then what. Reconnaissance equipment must be able to swim. Here in this film it is quite clearly told.
    1. Abracadabra
      Abracadabra 24 October 2013 01: 03
      -1
      Well, all the same, neither the PT 76 nor the BTR 50 have normal armor. If buoyancy is so important, then why not take south experience. Koreans with their K21? Their infantry fighting vehicles are not only power-protected and have powerful guns, but can also swim, for this rubber pontoons are inflated on the sides, and then deflated when the river is crossed.
  • Jarserge
    Jarserge 23 October 2013 11: 07
    0
    A good car that patency that afloat. But sorry sorry hopelessly, most importantly for armor protection. Limited use in the engineering and engineer units and motorized rifle in the north except.
  • Snoop
    Snoop 23 October 2013 11: 31
    +2
    Can buy, why not? It is a good idea to modernize outdated equipment. In addition, it is most likely possible to put another combat complex, here we have already talked about using it as a command vehicle. For the police functions, by the way, it will be fine to drive along the prairies of any "partisans".
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 12: 38
      0
      Quote: Snoop
      For the police functions, by the way, it will be fine to drive along the prairies of any "partisans".

      For police functions, a cheaper wheel will do. And obviously not with a gun.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 23 October 2013 11: 42
    0
    Something early American tanks recalls. The same tall and with a small turret. :)

    Replacing a diesel engine is good. But what about the transmission? Have you really left the old one?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 October 2013 12: 19
      0
      Belarusians are changing. Most likely they too
  • Prohor
    Prohor 23 October 2013 11: 43
    +2
    Lord, what’s easier - to upgrade the chassis, remove weapons and SELL PEOPLE! Forgot that we have 2/3 of the country - Siberia and the Far East?
    Yes, tear off your hands! laughing
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 October 2013 12: 18
      0
      The question is in the resource. Will he arrange civic organizations?
      1. Prohor
        Prohor 23 October 2013 18: 55
        0
        I think it is possible to find a price-resource compromise, but what storage on bases, what modernization is a waste of money and engineering brains for the state.
        Sell, for example, a dozen BTR-50 (BMP-1,2 without weapons) at the price of one Kurganets, and buy this very Kurganets.
        Are there Siberians on the site? Would you take such a thing?
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 October 2013 12: 24
    +5
    Fashionable wheeled chassis let go around the Moscow Ring Road, and in RUSSIA, and after the start of the power supply (the northern fluffy animal), only go on caterpillars and move. And here it has been tested for decades - I am only for modernization.
    Moreover, the water is not scary. And whether there will be bridges - who wondered how the pontoons on their wheeled vehicles would make their way along the swampy floodplain of the river. Or the enemy will leave us paved slopes.
  • Migari
    Migari 23 October 2013 12: 35
    +1
    Quote: air wolf
    I agree, the fuck is junk, for export please

    No one needs the old man, neither do we, but we have plenty of them for conservation, that's why we need to modernize and sell, there are buyers, the car is good, here you have the job, the profit and the development of the plants.
  • SUSANIN 777
    SUSANIN 777 23 October 2013 12: 36
    +3
    I went to this in 2kompaniyu- car with its pluses and minuses. They changed the filling themselves, and threw out the excess. In principle, if you modernize it qualitatively, then it is quite possible to exploit it yourself, for lack of anything better. And for export so "God himself ordered" smile .
    The main thing is that the modernization would not be more expensive than the existing new similar equipment winked .
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 23 October 2013 13: 17
    +4
    For mountain brigades, it’s not just that the mtlb adapted and delivered armaments. 50 from it on the way is not much different. But the place for installing weapons is full, unlike MTLB. Therefore, changing the engine is justified. BMPs in the mountains showed themselves worse than MTLB in terms of driving performance. In the mountains, observation and shooting of an amphibious assault is often carried out upwards, which cannot be done from either BMPs or armored personnel carriers, but in 50 ke it is possible.
  • URAL72
    URAL72 23 October 2013 13: 19
    +5
    Quote: Akim
    I repeat my question. Which countries have the money to upgrade it?


    Angola constantly buys (different schemes - barter, licenses for the development of deposits, etc.) a lot of equipment, incl. aviation (there is a Su-27, not long ago there was information about 18 Indian Su-30Ks), Uganda bought 6 and 6 more SU-30MKK-NEW! Nigeria and Vietnam have funds; all these countries have many rivers, wetlands, lakes. There is no money for "tanks", but there is an BTR-50 and a few shekels for the engine, etc., Mozambique, Congo, Sudan (both have enough for tanks), Ethiopia, Eritrea, Laos, Myanmar (including . Chinese, money is also there). Cuba, Iran, Pakistan (China), North Korea have their own modernization projects and capacities. The problem is different - the project should be promoted not at the level of the repair plant, but through Rosoboronexport. Then there is a chance.
  • sub307
    sub307 23 October 2013 13: 49
    +1
    Every "sandpiper" has its own "swamp". Maybe on this unit it is really good to "ride" in Angola. Everything is better if the "Muromteplovozovskie" hard workers can earn money.
  • understudy
    understudy 23 October 2013 14: 17
    0
    "Song" for a grenade launcher in any projection. And for the machine gunner to board ...
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    In the mountains, observation and shooting of the landing is often carried out.

    Well, yes, yes ... with its dimensions, then, in the mountains. Outlived your bronik, if only for sale ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 23 October 2013 15: 02
    +1
    Once such a booze has gone, I suggest upgrading .............. the cart in! Why is it weak?
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 23 October 2013 18: 23
      +1
      oats are now expensive !! .. will not work ... ((
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 October 2013 15: 59
    +4
    That is, many in pink glasses believe that at 3 of a million patriots of RUSSIA it is necessary to purchase Renault Duster or will we wait for a universal platform? You tried on clay after rain on foot with full and full
    the calculation - this is not for you in the neighboring supermarket.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 October 2013 17: 06
    +2
    When you save and there is no fuel, you will definitely remember both the cart and AMO on gas generators and much that you have already forgotten.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 23 October 2013 19: 03
      -1
      Quote: a.hamster55
      When it lays down and there is no fuel, you will definitely remember the cart

      but they didn’t forget her native ..... there’s simply no cost item, oats !!
      1. alone
        alone 23 October 2013 22: 17
        +1
        to upgrade this ... what can put a remote sensing and install a thermal imager? wassat
  • zub46
    zub46 23 October 2013 18: 28
    +6
    Brothers, I admit right away - I'm not at all a specialist in armored vehicles. Nevertheless, let me state the following, and not only about the BTR-50. In the European Union, as they write, although everyone has already become p.i.d. races, there are still about half a billion people plus Americans. This is the real power next to us. All this public is already openly saying that Russia has completely "unfairly" inherited a vast territory rich in minerals, including the most important hydrocarbons today. There were renegades from ours (and you know them) who declared that Russia does not need 140 million people - 30 million is enough to service oil and gas production and transportation. Plus interests in our Arctic and its shelf. Personally, I have no doubt that they will attack us or try to seize us in another way. There will be war. It's a question of time. The use of nuclear weapons is most likely ruled out for obvious reasons. Thus, from my belfry, the most likely war will be fought with conventional weapons. Our territory is rich in rivers, the North is generally a continuous swamp. Under such conditions, it seems to me absolutely unreasonable to drive on "needles" such unique amphibious all-terrain vehicles like BTR-50 and PT-76. Yes, a new power plant is probably needed, measures are needed to enhance the durability of the hull, a lot of other questions will certainly appear. But these are ready-made cases (about 1000 pieces in storage!), This is not the invention of bicycles, this is not the use of foreign similar equipment by officials of our army with all the ensuing negative consequences. Rogozin will figure it out?
  • ICT
    ICT 23 October 2013 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: zub46
    The war will be. It's a question of time.


    wars will not occur as such, they are more likely to destroy us from the inside, but they won’t go open with us with bayonets.
    Quote: Professor
    Professor


    Quote: bask
    bask


    a question without trolling but there are caterpillar MCIs,


    And touch MUROMTEPLOVOZ, they started working again
    here is a list of articles for a month
    http://muromteplovoz.ru/product/mil.php
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 October 2013 09: 26
      +1
      Quote: TIT
      and there are goose craps

      did not met
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 23 October 2013 20: 47
    +1
    You would have everything new and very expensive. And the fact that replacing the engine, we get a very decent platform for certain tasks? No one is going to assign anti-tank missions or a breakthrough of the defense line to it. And by the way, the dimensions of the MTLB and 50 are not very different. Only in height.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 October 2013 23: 34
      0
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      And the fact that replacing the engine, we get a very decent platform for certain tasks?

      And another hemorrhage for BT service. They are already being hanged from the Russian "unification".

      MTLB is good in that it has a feed outlet, and therefore is much more applicable as a multi-purpose machine. In addition, MTLB is much more in the army than the BTR-50 at storage bases.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 October 2013 20: 47
    0
    Yes, oats have risen in price however ... We must make a strategic supply of oatmeal cookies. laughing
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 23 October 2013 21: 24
    +1
    If it makes sense to modernize them, then why not? This is a workhorse, she does not have to work in the army, and even count on the battlefield ... We always threw out the masters (no need to learn).
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 24 October 2013 11: 21
    +2
    Article of norms. Comments have amused. Armored TRANSPORTER - VEHICLE. woe to the commander who is going to fight on it, as well as on trucks, tractors, scooters and other vehicles. But to the place of the clash to deliver personnel a wonderful way, instead of PAZ or truck. And do not equal the armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles, they have slightly different methods of application. M-113 is also being modernized, but somehow criticism does not come from Israel.
    I AM FOR MODERNIZATION!
  • Owl
    Owl 24 October 2013 14: 09
    0
    After modernization, aimed at strengthening firepower and security, this vehicle will be able to operate in units and subunits of the Interior Ministry, but a problematic issue will arise - the weak anti-mine (anti-explosive) security of the facility (for separatists and other "internal" enemies, a land mine is a favorite weapon) ... To save money on People is a sin, for active counterinsurgency actions, machines that are more protected from RPG fire and from mine explosive devices are needed.
  • Ckyf
    Ckyf 24 October 2013 21: 21
    0
    Quote: hert
    It’s high time to include enterprises in the upgrade systems of obsolete military equipment, here you can also have decent money and increase production capacities, especially since most countries of the 3rd world need repair bases and qualified personnel to restore and improve their equipment.

    The last time I saw the BTR-50 was half-working in the mid-80s, I did not have the chance to meet them more in the SA and RA. What is the point of restoring scrap metal?
  • taksist
    taksist 26 October 2013 16: 39
    0
    I am simply annoyed by the fact that on such a machine as the BTR-50PU, during modernization, they put one machine gun as a "hillock" and that's it? Where are the perimeter loopholes for small arms? And in front, instead of triplexes or "under",
    can I additionally put two machine guns? Or, it’s easier to drive soldiers
    "trot" behind the car? ...
  • rubin6286
    rubin6286 6 November 2013 17: 53
    0
    I think that engaging in diesel locomotives, the Muromteplovoz enterprise would probably be more successful than coming up with how to make a BMP or tank from a floating APC of the 50s.

    Remember I. Krylova: “the trouble is the shoemaker will start to tart the pies, and the pie-taker will start the boots.”
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    Patricklymn 8 October 2014 22: 02
    0
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