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Singh in Russia. And the pipe, and the cruiser, and the Customs Union

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A meeting took place the other day between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. This is the fourth meeting of the Russian and Indian, let's call them delegations in the current year. If we talk about Russian-Indian summits in general, then this became 14. The meeting focused on the development of trade and economic ties between the two countries.


Singh in Russia. And the pipe, and the cruiser, and the Customs Union


If we talk about the current state of economic interactions between Russia and India, then, to put it mildly, we can say: I would like more. Well, in fact, the level of turnover in 11 billions of dollars for our economies, which in addition are also part of the overall economy of BRICS, looks close to unintelligible. 11 billion dollars is about 12% of the turnover of Russia and China - for example. In terms of imports, Russia for India occupies a more than modest 36 place (the top three: the United States, the United Arab Emirates, China). In terms of export - 28 place. There is where to grow, there is something to strive for.

And although annually between India and the Russian Federation an increase in turnover is observed, it cannot simply be called impressive for such large-scale economic systems. To improve the situation, Moscow considered measures to stimulate mutual trade and increase the number of joint projects being implemented.

To begin with, it is worth listing all the areas of cooperation in which the interaction between Moscow and Delhi in the near future should be intensified. The first is the energy sector, the second is the possibility of India’s participation in the GLONASS project with simultaneous deployment of two signal-calibration stations on the territory of this state, and the third is new projects in military-technical cooperation. If all these areas of work will be carried out actively and productively, then the authorities of both countries believe that after a couple of years there is an opportunity to bring the turnover to the value of 20 billion dollars.

Now it is necessary to proceed to the consideration of individual projects more thoroughly.

So, the first is the sphere of energy and energy supply. Here, the Indian side expresses the idea that Russia could increase the volume of oil and gas supplies in the southern direction due to a land connection (pipe connection) of Russian fields with Indian consumers. During the summit, an agreement was reached to create a joint Russian-Indian research group, which should explore the possibility of building a pipeline that could in the future connect Russian suppliers of oil and gas with consumers of these energy sources in India.

If you temporarily put out of the brackets the risks that are associated with the construction and subsequent operation of such gas and oil pipelines, you can get an impressive increase in the volume of trade. However, it is the substantial risks that today are the main scarecrow for any investor of such a large-scale project. In order to connect Russia and India with a pipe for pumping energy carriers, it is necessary to carry out the most real construction of the century. The most optimal (if in this case there is an optimal one) land route is as follows: Russia-Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. And in this route, at least one point is already in doubt. This, of course, is primarily about Afghanistan. To start building an oil pipeline that can pass through the Afghan territories when the so-called “joint military contingent” (in fact, NATO) is about to leave Afghanistan, which is also an adventure. Even if the Americans in Afghanistan would have remained for "endts" years, then with the economic and political state in which the Central Asian state is now, investing in the construction of a transit oil and gas pipeline - the risk is not even in a square, but in a cube . To get access, forgive me, the Taliban, Schmalibes and all the rest will want to have free energy here ...

If in this chain of states we pay attention to Pakistan, which has a long-standing “friendship” with India, then even Islamabad can “sit on the pipe” at a convenient time to dictate its conditions to Indian “partners”.
In general, the mentioned route may begin to be implemented, but only in this case I would like to hear all the positive arguments that the expert commission will present. If the arguments are reduced to the phrases “finally built democracy and the established order in Afghanistan” and “eternal Pak-Indian friendly“ phi-phai ”, then nothing good will come of the pipeline.

Of course, you can lead the pipe without using the territory of Afghanistan and Pakistan. For example, through China, rounding the aforementioned states, and coming to India from the north. But here we must not forget about the obstacle the most natural - the Himalayan range. Laying the pipe between the peaks, the average height of which is 6000 meters - this is more serious than the transition of the army of Hannibal with elephants through the Alps ... You can, of course, cut the tunnels, as an option ...
So the Indian proposal to build a pipe from Russia to India today in the two ways outlined above is a deaf matter.

If India wants to receive Russian energy resources on a more substantial scale, then it is hardly necessary here to talk about the pipe. Where to more effectively pay attention to the supply of oil and LNG by sea. If in the near future new gas liquefaction plants will be built in Primorsky Krai and Sakhalin, then the ports of these Russian regions will be able to deliver energy to India. By the way, contracts on the supply of liquefied natural gas between Russian and Indian companies still exist. So, in particular, Indian GAIL, Petronet, Indian Oil Corporation Limited and GSPC wanted to buy LNG from Russia. Before 2030, GAIL should receive about 50 million tonnes of LNG. The rest of the companies mentioned will have to get 50 million tons of LNG each over the next 25 years. Such a project will be implemented in the event that new gas condensate enterprises are being built in the Far East of Russia as planned.

Here, too, there are risks: for example, the Strait of Malacca, where international pirate groups often manifest themselves, but still there are more chances to control the transit than, for example, in Afghanistan.

For the time being, a substantial increase in the supply of Russian oil and gas to India is only plans; the Persian Gulf countries are in this market in India - the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and others.

That joint Russian-Indian energy project, which is already beginning its work - Kudankulam NPP. At present, one NPP power unit has been launched, the second is under construction. In Moscow, the leaders of Russia and India agreed on the intensification of work, which should lead not only to the commissioning of the second power unit as soon as possible, but also to entering the construction of another 4-x power units at Kudankulam. It should be recalled that the initial plans were ambitious and it was about building an 16-block NPP, but then the Indian side decided on such a scale for various reasons (including after the Fukushima-1 accident in Japan).

Now about military-technical cooperation. At the meeting between Putin and Singh, the talk turned to the sale of Russian weapons to India. In less than a month, an Indian delegation headed by Defense Minister Arakaparambil Kurien Anthony will arrive in Russia, which (the delegation) will have to accept for the Indian Navy the modernized aircraft carrying cruiser Vikramaditya - the former Admiral Gorshkov. Repairs and upgrades went longer than planned, but this did not discourage Indian partners from continuing to cooperate with Russia.

In addition, successful projects on transferring production licenses to India by India were discussed. tanks T-90S, aircraft SU-30MKI.

Before the meeting of state leaders in the press, there was information that Delhi was going to rent the second nuclear submarine of the 971 project Shchuka-B from Russia (the Indian side is already leasing one submarine of a similar project from the Indian side). However, after the meeting, no further details on the new lease agreement were received.

There was a Russia-India summit and at least one other topic of conversation - this was India’s desire to cooperate with the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. The representative of the Indian Foreign Ministry said Delhi wanted to sign an agreement on comprehensive economic cooperation with the CU, which, quote: "would bring India closer to this unifying space." But what is meant by comprehensive economic cooperation in this context is a separate issue. If the removal of customs duties, then here, too, need to think - no less than with the pipeline.
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  1. rugor
    rugor 23 October 2013 09: 05 New
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    quote: “would bring India closer to this unifying space”


    Careful in this matter, the former Soviet republics are one thing, India is another thing with its free labor force of one billion people. There, people work for food in the literal sense.
    1. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 23 October 2013 13: 42 New
      +1
      I agree, Vietnam did not go where, and India is a very big question
      1. alone
        alone 23 October 2013 21: 07 New
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        belay Imagine 200 million migrants who will arrive in Russia. Among other things, Indians have their own customs. For example, in India every woman and girl are raped every 2 minutes. This type of crime has already become a national problem in India. But trade and cooperation are still necessary. In any case, India is a good market and it is impossible to lose it.
    2. timer
      timer 23 October 2013 21: 29 New
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      1) The article is interesting.
      2) The economic and political alliance with India must be strengthened and expanded! Trade turnover is very low! We must strive for 100 billion dollars.
      3) Regarding energy projects, our fucking authorities can not develop a coherent and economical. a profitable program for the development of the Far East. Why not build on this territory is building. LNG plants (a link to the development of the Northern Sea Route). This will help both the development of the region and the establishment of LNG supplies to India + to develop nuclear energy in India.
      4) Regarding the military-technical cooperation, the fact that our military-industrial complex has failed a number of tenders for the supply of weapons, including due to the low quality. products, it’s a shame and loss of reputation (and it’s worth it!). India is not China, it’s possible to lie there. samples of weapons to supply and establish a license. assembly. Such punctures must no longer be allowed !! And who will be to blame, in court and shot.
      5) And at the expense of tc-sdes, we need to listen to the arguments of india and consider whether it will be beneficial for us to join india in the tc or not (and not some slobbery, just a naked calculation and good!).
      1. 31231
        31231 23 October 2013 21: 56 New
        +2
        Regarding energy projects, our fucking government cannot develop a coherent and economical one. a profitable program for the development of the Far East. Why not build on this territory is building. LNG plants (a link to the development of the Northern Sea Route). This will help both the development of the region and the establishment of LNG supplies to India + to develop nuclear energy in India.


        Can you elaborate on "to develop on this territory the construction of LNG plants (in conjunction with the development of the Northern Sea Route)"?
        Do you even look where the Northern Sea Route and the Far East ?! Are you proposing to build LNG plants? How will you upload them ?! On the Sakhalin shelf, reserves are very modest. One currently operating LNG, and two continental pipes to feed them for a dozen years, God forbid, would be enough.

        India enters into a gas supply agreement with us only for bargaining at a lower price from Qatar and other neighboring gas owners.
        The same story with European consumers who buy from Qatar freeze prices from Gazprom.
  2. old man54
    old man54 23 October 2013 09: 14 New
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    that's with whom, with whom, and with India you need to be friends, and as much and deeply as possible! And then our Kremlin's all on their hind legs in front of the "Chinese dragon" are dancing, they try to butter up and satisfy him in every possible way, but he collects troops near our borders and builds up the army. And as they say, the more you make concessions to the aggressor, the more likely it is that he will attack. If only because even, indulging his whims, the more you provoke him into conflict! A potential aggressor will consider the inferior to him weak and weak-willed, unworthy of respect, and ...
    Here the Indians are different. wink A very decent people, treating Russia and the Russians very respectfully and even fraternally, as an example to many current Slovenian state formations.
    1. There are zero territorial mutual claims, sympathies are huge, these are even more at the level of popular sympathy than at the state.
    2. Mutual wars and conflicts have never been.
    3. In the days of the USSR, almost the entire US embassy in Delhi was specialists in the USSR, which at first surprised many. But in fact, everything is simple: the Americans were very afraid of the further rapprochement between the Union and India, especially the registration of this cooperation into a military-tile alliance (and the economic reasons were also significant).
    So, India and the customs union are wonderful. good
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 23 October 2013 09: 23 New
      +2
      ++ ... Well, yes, who did not have time, he was late ... crying. laughing
      1. edge
        edge 23 October 2013 14: 18 New
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        Quote: Valery Neonov
        Well, who didn’t have time, he was late ..

        this collaboration will also reduce the fervor of the Chinese
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 October 2013 10: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: old man54
      1. There are zero territorial mutual claims, sympathies are huge, these are even more at the level of popular sympathy than at the state.
      2. Mutual wars and conflicts have never been.

      PPKS (Subscribe Under Every Word)
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 23 October 2013 15: 05 New
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      Quote: old man54
      So, India and the Customs Union are wonderful


      And what about the kickbacks? laughing
    4. Arti
      Arti 23 October 2013 22: 02 New
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      Strarik, I completely agree with you regarding friendship and cooperation with India, but I fundamentally disagree with the fact that China may attack Russia. This extremely unreasonable thought can be fulfilled only with the advent of some absolutely inadequate (akin to Hitler) people and movements in China, which I for example cannot believe.
      The war with its own hands did not bring anyone to good, China will lose much more in this war than it will gain.

      In my opinion, this is a bad horror story for zombifying children, so to speak, "laying" in the head of hostility to China.
      1. old man54
        old man54 23 October 2013 22: 23 New
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        Quote: Arti
        however, I fundamentally disagree with the fact that China could attack Russia.

        Quote: Arti
        In my opinion, this is a bad horror story for zombifying children, so to speak, "laying" in the head of hostility to China.

        sorry dear, but this is not only my firm conviction that they are potentially preparing for such an attack (they just pick up the moment), but also the opinion of many analysts! The fact that China can potentially put under arms 400 million men do you like, like? bully Precisely millions !!
        (well, we are not yet on "you" with you like? wink)

        Here's a video on the topic, it’s better to watch from 21 minutes.
  3. Gregazov
    Gregazov 23 October 2013 09: 40 New
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    It is extremely incomprehensible to me that the CIS countries are bending their fingers with a fan, branding Russia arbitrarily, they say, their poor are driven into the customs union by force. At the same time, countries that were not members of the USSR and for this reason do not have a high degree of integration of the economy with Russia themselves seek the Customs Union.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 23 October 2013 11: 14 New
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      Quote: GregAzov
      It is extremely incomprehensible to me that the CIS countries are bending their fingers with a fan, branding Russia arbitrarily, they say, their poor are driven into the customs union by force. At the same time, countries that were not members of the USSR and for this reason do not have a high degree of integration of the economy with Russia themselves seek the Customs Union.


      Everything is clear here, because these CIS countries are only formally independent, but in fact, practically all of these new formations, to one degree or another, should play the role of a "cordon sanitaire" around Russia. The law of world trade and the division of production and productive forces in the era of global capitalism is such that only one who relies on the strength and power of the economy and resources and the army can trade profitably. Only power gives real sovereignty. India and China are strong countries and although they are under pressure from globalizers, they are trying to pursue their policies and trade profitably. But the CIS countries do not have such power, they will take away all the most valuable things (for example, China’s uranium mines from Tajikistan), they will be declared a zone of geopolitical interests, they will enter the economy through banks and corporations (in the form of PSA agreements) and through various associations and free trade zones will force them to pursue policies in their interests. So they need the prickly and ruffled CIS countries in the form of a hedge around Russia to protect their beds and prevent competitors in the form of China or India.
      1. timer
        timer 23 October 2013 21: 48 New
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        Basically I agree with you. You shouldn’t let the Central Asian countries (Uzbek, Kyrgyzstan, etc.) into the TS, invite Ukraine (what’s happening there is to blame, including Putin and comrades). I think that the TS is a kind of transition form to the future union state (I see it as a union of the Russian Federation + Belarus + Ukraine + Kazakhstan). I can propose to form a new political-economic education-Eurasian consortium with the countries of Central Asia on the basis of the CSTO and the Russian Federation to play a leading role in this project (it will help to keep them in check and cool the fervor of the Chinese).
    2. Gennady1973
      Gennady1973 23 October 2013 14: 29 New
      +3
      That’s exactly what the hell the Asians (Kazakhs) do not care for. All self-sufficient, autocratic, all from ourselves !!! only half of the population of independents in our wages ...........
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 23 October 2013 09: 47 New
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    It is much more efficient to pay attention to oil and LNG shipments by sea.- I do not know about LNG, but in Kozmino (Primorsky Territory) tankers from India are often loaded. hi
    1. 31231
      31231 23 October 2013 15: 27 New
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      LNG on Sakhalin. You had plans to build, but so far there are not enough gas volumes. The Sakhalin shelf has a bit of gas, and the fields of Eastern Siberia and Yakutia can be connected to the Khabarovsk hub. And the gas that will eventually be pulled together will be taken away by China, Japan and Korea.
  5. ed65b
    ed65b 23 October 2013 09: 53 New
    +6
    I will not be surprised that the next one who wants to communicate more closely with the vehicle will be China. But in India you can jump through Tajikistan a little bit of China, and behold, Jama and Kashmir. There really in India have undefined territories with packs and China.
    1. edge
      edge 23 October 2013 14: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      I won’t be surprised that China will become the next who wants to communicate more closely with the vehicle

      But with China it’s time to end military-scientific cooperation: let it replicate der .... My Western
    2. alone
      alone 23 October 2013 21: 09 New
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      Edward, there are almost impassable mountains.
  6. Niko-zhukov
    Niko-zhukov 23 October 2013 10: 31 New
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    "Would bring India closer to this unifying space."

    I also invited India to the CSTO, and Vladimir Volfovich’s dream of washing boots by Russian soldiers in the Indian Ocean came true. good
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 23 October 2013 11: 56 New
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      It would be great! soldier
  7. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 23 October 2013 10: 37 New
    +6
    Throughout history, strong powers have fought for India and we must not miss a moment
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 23 October 2013 19: 05 New
      +2
      It is because of India that Britain has spoiled Russia for centuries.
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 23 October 2013 10: 47 New
    +8
    India in the Customs Union is cool. And it is necessary! They are happy to be free from any Anglo-American influences. But migrants should not be feared. Our climate is not suitable for them. But the market is vast for both sides. So you need to think how to resolve this issue positively.
    1. Guun
      Guun 23 October 2013 10: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      . Our climate is not suitable for them.

      You shouldn’t be so. We have quite a lot of students from India (to the medical institute) in Karaganda and they feel great.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 23 October 2013 11: 59 New
        +4
        Well yes! In Yekaterinburg, an Indian learned to drink vodka and fell in love with felt boots (in November). In just a week!
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 23 October 2013 12: 19 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      But migrants should not be feared. Our climate is not suitable for them.

      Yes, even if there are migrants, even if it’s better Indians than Asians, do not consider discrimination but the Indian people are preferable in their behavior and appearance, and would be an adornment of multinational Russia, of course, with the right migration policy.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 23 October 2013 15: 13 New
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        belay

        From a speech by the Prime Minister of India, in the mid-10s = not verbatim, but general meaning =:

        "In order for India to become a great power, we must develop this skill among our people! Without it, we will remain in the Middle Ages! How long must we endure all this in our cities ?!"

        It was about a simple toilet instinct, and the ability to use toilets. And so that people just stop at last, elementary shit on the streets of Indian cities. Emmmmm ... eh ... No, of course, I don't want to say anything - you decide which nation is "more developed" in your understanding, and which is "less" ... = shrugged = ... But I am for himself, remembered Bombay (Mumbai is modern). I am from the stench on the street, I just didn't show my nose from the hotel ...

        Like that..
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 23 October 2013 18: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: de_monSher
          But I'm for myself, Bombay remembered (Mumbai is modern). I'm from the stench on the street, I just didn’t show my nose from the hotel ...

          This is because the country is very poor and the population is large, the sewage system is stupidly unable to cope, and not because the Indians do not observe basic hygiene .. In the Middle Ages and even in the 19th century, Europe was the same, in large cities it was terrible stink because there was no sewage. India has long been a colony and has not developed at all, and now with such a population it is not so easy to solve the problem of clean cities.
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 23 October 2013 18: 52 New
            +2
            This is because the country is very poor and the population is large, the sewage system stupidly does not cope,


            Sewerage has nothing to do with it. It's just that both in India and in Afghanistan, it is perfectly normal for citizens to celebrate, sorry, their needs right on the street. Not even somewhere in the bushes. Farther. As for working with Indians, I simply have not met the hardened traders. I don't know, maybe I was so lucky of course. Further, something else surprises me. You see, I completely agree with you about the migration policy. It is necessary to erect tough barriers so that you, Russians in particular, and ALL citizens of Russia, of ALL nationalities, in general, are OWNERS = hospitable hosts, you can still do this, I hope - do not forget the breadth of your soul = at YOURSELF on earth. But at the same time, it amazes me that your submission of thought is the same citizens of Central Asia, we, that is, who in general, in 80 percent of cases, treat you with respect and friendship, - for you "a crowd of savages "= You yourself let people in from the hinterland, without socialization, to yourself =, and the Indians," decoration ". And you take into account the fact that, for example, once we have disappeared, suddenly - Uzbeks, Kirghiz, Tajiks. Who will come to you from India then? I am not sure that educated, well-bred Hindus, who, in relative terms, are a minority in comparison with the same countries of Central Asia. And those Indians who do not have socialization skills at all will come to you, even in comparison with us, Central Asians.

            No, I understand, you will probably like it, that I am so abstract and to some extent even humiliate the honor and dignity of my nation. Well, what can you do, in your rhetoric, you have already reached the point of complete idiocy. What are the pearls of your scribblers - "Russia in 91, did not want to be left alone with Central Asia ..." and so on. etc. etc. In general, cool. Speak, speak. The tongue has no bones. And the funny thing is, with such a worldview, you personally, to some extent, still try to consider YOURSELF an Imperial - the heir of both the Russian Empire and the Soviet. This is the funniest thing ... *))

            Look something like this ... *)
            1. Dovmont
              Dovmont 24 October 2013 14: 39 New
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              I agree with you 100%!
      2. de_monSher
        de_monSher 23 October 2013 15: 24 New
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        and would be an adornment of multinational Russia,


        By the way, by no means think that I am somehow slandering the Indians. Naturally, naturally - you are a Russian, a resident of Russia, a full-fledged owner of this house, called Russia - and it is up to you who is the "decoration" of your cities, and who is not this very "decoration" ... = shrugged = ...
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 23 October 2013 18: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: de_monSher
          It is up to you to decide who is the "decoration" of your cities, and who is not this very "decoration"

          I said that only with the right migration policy, i.e. if the Hindus learn the Russian language, respect our customs and especially the laws, this is at least, only in this case, regulated migration is permissible.
    3. old man54
      old man54 23 October 2013 22: 04 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      India in the Customs Union is cool. And it is necessary! They are happy to be free from any Anglo-American influences. But migrants should not be feared.

      To you + !!! good How nice it is when women are smart, oooh! fellow And if at the same time also beauties, then in general! love wink
  9. hrych
    hrych 23 October 2013 11: 06 New
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    At the expense of the chimney from Russia, of course, hardly, but there is no smoke without fire. India is cut off from Russia and Iran’s oil by enemy No. 1 (Pakistan) and enemy No. 2 (China). In many ways, a small turnover because of this. But if you look carefully at the map, that is, a wonderful way to bypass the enemies - from Iran directly through neutral waters - an underwater pipe, which is shorter than the indicated routes, which means cheaper and Russia's unique experience in the Nord Stream, not only will Iran come to life and shake off sanctions and blockades, (not for nothing the Iranians gave us a drone recently) and Russian oil does not need to be pumped, although it can be delivered to Iran through the Caspian, it is enough for the owners of the pipe (one of them should be Gazprom or Rosneft) to buy enough Iranian oil and gas.
    If so control is also the most promising Indian market, Saudi and Qatari projects in the anus, Nabucco in the anus, and the agony of the British crown will end immediately fox.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 23 October 2013 11: 30 New
      +1
      yes So it certainly is, but Iran and Amers are currently feeling quite well, there is a warming (albeit slight) between them. hi
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 23 October 2013 11: 58 New
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        I don’t think that the Persians and the Americans will become friends. Rather, it is only visible warming in their relationship.
      2. hrych
        hrych 23 October 2013 12: 24 New
        +4
        The withdrawal of the main group from Afghanistan is planned, and the 9 military bases and a couple of tens of thousands remaining should not control the smallest state in a quiet environment in fortresses communicating (far from sin) by air and the Taliban, no one should help especially MANPADS, which Iran can even fit . Hence the warming, but no more.
      3. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 23 October 2013 13: 27 New
        +6
        Iran is breeding (or trying to breed) the United States.
        And then, there can be no normal relations with the Indians; they don’t need partners, only vassals.
      4. old man54
        old man54 23 October 2013 22: 13 New
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        Quote: Valery Neon
        yes So it certainly is, but Iran and Amers are currently feeling quite well, there is a warming (albeit slight) between them. hi

        don't believe amers (Danians) bringing gifts !!!
        hi
    2. 31231
      31231 23 October 2013 17: 36 New
      +1
      You have everything just like Napoleon’s. Enemies in the anus, and I'm on a horse.
      From Iran, a pipe along the bottom of the sea ?! And what about the depths?

      To throw our pipe to them is utter nonsense. But the Indians have the atomic energy to develop it.
      1. hrych
        hrych 23 October 2013 21: 22 New
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        And what about the depths? Is the Mariana Trench on the way?

        You may not believe me, but please read:

        http://www.angi.ru/news.shtml?oid=2764452
        1. 31231
          31231 23 October 2013 22: 05 New
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          Dear, it was a question, not a rebuke. I myself am interested to see what kind of depth there is outside the territorial waters of Pakistan. And if there are no great depths, then such a gas pipeline is very real. Much more real than serious volumes of LNG from Russia. And the link you gave, alas, is not about that at all.
          1. hrych
            hrych 23 October 2013 22: 30 New
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            If negotiations are already underway, then apparently preliminary calculations about this possibility have already been made. A depth map on the Internet is probably available, but because If the hypothetical wire goes along the Pakistani 200-mile zone, then this is a shelf and there should not be great depths.
      2. hrych
        hrych 23 October 2013 22: 11 New
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        At the expense of the anuses of the enemies, when the USSR was bankrupt, there was an agreement between the Anglo-Saxons and the sheikhs (which is not entirely true, it is more correct to say that the sheikhs were ordered) and the prices for hydrocarbons were brought down. Such an action became more effective than a real war and the invincible USSR fell (of course, not only from this). Currently, the control of the Anglo-Saxons is falling, largely due to the depletion of Saudi wells and Russia begins to control the world economy and politics with its hydrocarbons. Those. now there’s a pipe war, Ukrgas is building the Nord Stream, Nabucco is responding to the North Stream, we’ll beat him who has not been born yet. Napoleon (as you put it) pipe war - Mr. Putin and the war is in enemy territory. The pipes themselves hit the sea transport and those who are considered the Lord of the seas, and these are the Anglo-Saxons.
        1. 31231
          31231 23 October 2013 22: 52 New
          +1
          Nabucco respond to the Nord Stream


          Well, Nabucco is definitely not a competitor to Norstream. And they will chew it for a long time, because the grandmother for it will need an archimage and who will give them is still very unknown. To pull over strong terrain and then exploit, I'll tell you "not sugar".

          And the fact that Gazprom is now conducting adequately is clear. Well, not counting all the Zeniths.
          1. alone
            alone 23 October 2013 22: 58 New
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            hi I’m greeting. Nabucco is already history. Our villages sat down and we decided how to sell gas without interfering with each other. As a result, Nabucco into the furnace, and instead TANAR.
            The ultimate goal of Italy. It would always be so))
    3. old man54
      old man54 23 October 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: hrych
      At the expense of the chimney from Russia, of course, hardly, but there is no smoke without fire. India is cut off from Russia and Iran’s oil by enemy No. 1 (Pakistan) and enemy No.2 (China).

      at a time about Afghanistan, to think, but not about the military invasion No. 2, but about close cooperation, the gradual coup d'etat there on a nashgo man, a pro-Russian, instead of putting the striped. After all, the shortest way to India from Asia runs through AFgan just, for many hundreds of years this is known.
      And the Afghans themselves, simple, after these obsoski amers we already, "shuravi", will be happy as a family, ANSWER! The main thing is not to mess up there in Afghanistan! lol
      1. hrych
        hrych 23 October 2013 22: 20 New
        +1
        If I'm not mistaken, "BP" or another trance offered Iran, the Taliban and the PRC to throw a branch from Iran to China, the negotiations went on for many years and the Iranians, the Taliban and the Chinese decided that they did not need a trans-blacksmith and agreed on the construction between themselves. After a short time, NATO captured Afghan, and the Taliban fled. Accordingly, as long as NATO is there, and they will never leave on their own, there will never be wires. Well, there are no fools to invest in a wire that will be torn every day.
    4. Beast
      Beast 26 October 2013 01: 52 New
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      Yeah, now Iran has given its oil and gas to someone. And it’s expensive to distill oil over such distances. Our participation only in construction is possible. That is, Iranian oil and gas.
  10. Grbear
    Grbear 23 October 2013 11: 13 New
    +4
    The first is the energy sector, the second is the opportunity for India to participate in the GLONASS project with the simultaneous deployment of two signal-calibration stations on the territory of this state, and the third is new projects in military-technical cooperation.


    This is POLITICS, not "washing your boots in someone else's ocean."
    Directions of decisions, a number of issues of economic development, and, last but not least, the military, are being solved or arise (Article on the Six Wars of China).

    Good news. good
  11. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 23 October 2013 12: 40 New
    +2
    If Columbus hadn’t been looking for a short way to India, maybe the USA would not have been laughing
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 23 October 2013 19: 16 New
      +1
      If Columbus hadn't looked for a short cut in
      India maybe the United States would not have been


      then instead of the Indians, they would exterminate the Indians
      1. alone
        alone 23 October 2013 21: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: samoletil18
        then instead of the Indians, they would exterminate the Indians


        what it is logical
  12. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 23 October 2013 13: 29 New
    +4
    One must be friends with India. And Putin’s policy (loyalty to this word under any circumstances) is bearing fruit. Leaders of many countries are inclined to communicate with Russia, led by such a leader.
  13. Ddhal
    Ddhal 23 October 2013 13: 57 New
    0
    Again about the pipeline .. I feel like a resident of an intellectually limited raw material province.
    Submarines and nuclear power plants we have not forgotten how to design.
    Since we cannot get off hydrocarbon dependence in the near future, it is time to move on to the next level - to build LNG tankers, terminals. There are enough customers in the world.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 23 October 2013 17: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: DDHAL
      Again about the pipeline .. I feel like a resident of an intellectually limited raw material province.

      As one prominent scientist put it: - "Show me a country that would not dream of such an oil "curse" as Russia" (FROM)
      Stop thinking in stereotypes imposed on us by our enemies envious.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 23 October 2013 17: 19 New
        +1
        That's for sure. Why are they trying to extract the shale "curse"
    2. 31231
      31231 23 October 2013 17: 41 New
      +1
      At current hydrocarbon prices, this is the most profitable industry.
      Do you have any idea how much competition there is in the high-tech market ?! And how do some absorb others in this subject ?!
    3. Beast
      Beast 26 October 2013 02: 04 New
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      Do you know what losses occur during gas liquefaction? The pipe is cheaper, but of course at certain distances. Recently I read the calculations about this, but the source has forgotten.
  14. Glory333
    Glory333 23 October 2013 17: 27 New
    0
    India, unlike China, never shines to become a superpower, the Indians are deprived of Chinese organization, discipline and hard work, with intelligence too: the average Chinese IQ is 100, the Indians are 81. Of course it is necessary to trade and make friends with India, but, alas, it cannot become a strong strategic ally for Russia.
  15. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 23 October 2013 18: 35 New
    +2
    Of course, the pipe would be cool for the diversification of the market for our hydrocarbons. Yes, I’d be glad to go to heaven, as they say ... Well, they dreamed and woke up, and anyway it is necessary to cooperate with India. At least as opposed to China.
  16. samoletil18
    samoletil18 23 October 2013 19: 38 New
    +1
    India will never be 100% ally to anyone. Even in the days of Hindi - Rosya phai-phai, they had American, Soviet and British planes in service, and the soldiers did not have Kalashnikovs in their hands. India preaches a multi-vector foreign policy. Check out their weapons contracts. And every year the outside world is more and more supportive of it due to the multi-vector and growing GDP (GDP is growing thanks to the desire to work in India and with India around the world). Wise they are Hindus.
    And on the TS: they will never make a single economic space with anyone. And for new NPP power units, they will consider and discuss anything, for one thing they will reduce the price of the issue.
  17. Gavril
    Gavril 24 October 2013 05: 26 New
    +2
    Yes, I am for an alliance with India only because of one Chakraborty !!!
  18. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 25 October 2013 09: 08 New
    0
    Faced with Western recruiters for the selection of IT specialists (programmers, system administrators ...) for large projects.
    Their opinion.
    If you need to do something every day in the same way, but for sure, then this is Chinese.
    If you need inexpensive, but quality work, then this is an Indian.
    If something is necessary, but you cannot formulate it. And, moreover, you do not know how to do this, then look for a Russian programmer.
    In the last decade, India has become a leader in IT literacy.
    The Government of India has repeatedly held shares at a FREE (or at the lowest possible price) distribution of computers to their students. And it bears fruit.

    India has huge economic potential.
    But today, Russia is not ready to open its borders to India !!!

    PS
    Now, after the statements of Russia and India, we should expect a lot of shit, blood, provocations from the most despicable country in the world - England.
    Here she will try very hard to spoil our countries through her sixes.
    And the harm will be the most sophisticated!