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“Baltic Tigers”: on the way from the EU to the Red Book (“Hvil”, Ukraine)

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“Baltic Tigers”: on the way from the EU to the Red Book (“Hvil”, Ukraine)



Immediately after leaving the USSR, the Baltic countries set ambitious economic goals for themselves. So Estonia intended to become “northern Hong Kong”, and Latvia - “northern Switzerland”. The 1992-2007 period of the year created the feeling that it would be so. The Baltic states are increasingly referred to as the "Baltic tigers". However, starting with 2008, the deplorable results of economic growth in debt have become apparent. The ECB refused to back up loans to the banking systems of the Baltic countries. And they "lay down." Following, according to the domino principle, the entire economy, grown on loans from European and American banks, lay down. The process of falling itself had deeper roots. The financial crisis only exposed what had latently matured over the years of independence of the Baltic states.

Here are the statistics of the decline of the economies of the "Baltic tigers" from 2008 to 2012 year.

Latvia totally lost 77% of the annual production in the pre-crisis period. Lithuania - 44%. Estonia - 43%.

What happened

At the time of the collapse of the Union, the Baltic republics had the best starting conditions for the transition to market relations.

So, in 1970 — 1980-s, they were the leaders in terms of investment in fixed assets per capita. Estonia for this indicator ranked first in the USSR. It was followed by Latvia and Lithuania.

In the same period, Ukraine for this indicator lagged behind the all-Union by 25%, Armenia - by 26%, Azerbaijan - by 35%.

As a result, by the year 1990 in the Baltic republics, the share of the population that had an official income of more than 300 rubles was maximum. In Estonia, every fifth resident earned more. In Latvia, every sixth. In Lithuania - every seventh. For comparison, in the Soviet Union as a whole, the indicator was at the level of 8,8%. That is, not even every twelfth had income over 300 rubles. And what was it in the USSR to have a salary of more than three hundred a month? All the same, as now have in 2000 euro.

The minimum was the level of the poor, by Soviet standards. Among them were those whose monthly income was less than 75 rubles.

The share of the population with such income in Estonia and Latvia did not exceed 1%, while in Lithuania it was slightly more - 1,2%.

What became

During the years of the Soviet "occupation" in the Baltic countries there was a demographic boom. In Lithuania alone, over half a century, the population has grown by a million - from 2,7 to 3,7 million. And since 1990 - has shrunk by more than 600 thousands. Such a loss was not observed during the war and the Stalinist repression. Since the 2004 year, the moment of joining the EU, there is another boom in the Baltics. Migration

According to Eurostat, the average salary of citizens of the Baltic states is lower than unemployment benefits in Europe. And the same Estonian, in Finland, for work similar in his homeland, can receive five times more than at home.

This situation led to the fact that in just 2012 a year more than eight thousand people left for Estonia from the Ida-Viru County of Estonia. With a county population of 200 thousands. But these eight are the most able-bodied and socially active. And, of course, as soon as they get settled on the spot, tens of thousands of relatives will be dragged behind them. Who will remain in the county in five to ten years?

In Lithuania, even worse. Swedish sociologist, professor Charles Wolfson calculated that during the years of independence every fifth able-bodied Lithuanian left Lithuania. And the process of "evacuation" continues to gain momentum.

According to local experts, if such rates of “flight” from the “Baltic tigers” continue in the coming years, then the Baltic will face a demographic catastrophe. Followed by social. The outflow of the most able-bodied in two decades will lead to the fact that the local pensioners will have nothing to pay pensions.

If before 2008, labor migrants actively sent remittances to their relatives at home, now they prefer to take their families to their homes. And what should they do in their depressive homeland?

Analyzing the situation of households in Estonia, Eurostat concluded that two thirds are among the poorest and a quarter to the poor. The status of households was determined depending on purchasing power, taking into account equivalent income. Estonia in this “championship” beggars overtaken only Bulgaria and Romania.

Only 3% of Estonian households turned out to be successful, according to European measures.

Eurostat data on hourly wages in Latvia for the last year is disappointing. In comparison, it was a quarter of the average salary in the eurozone as a whole, one third, from the average in Spain. And half - from the average, Portuguese.

The migration flight is exacerbated by a sharp drop in the birth rate. The head of the Department of Statistics and Demography of the Faculty of Economics and Management of the University of Latvia, Peteris Zvidrins, testifies: “At the end of the 1980s, the birth rate showed great advantages. For comparison: in 1986 / 1987, there were thousands of newborns in Latvia in 42, and in 2011, only 18 in thousands ... Now we are rejected to the lowest point in stories Latvia, when an average 1,1 child is born per woman. A generation change occurs only at 60%. ”

According to the calculations of the head of the International Bureau for the Organization of Migration, Ilmar Mežs, the population of Latvia in four generations will be half a million. This is a harbinger of the imminent disappearance of Latvians from the ethnic map of the world.

The “prosperity” picture in the Baltic countries can be supplemented with some useful figures. With an average income of an ordinary worker in 400-700 euros, the cost of a communal - 250-300.

Particularly impressive is the "accessibility" of medicine. Campaign to the doctor - 100-200 euro. Day in a hospital bed - 86 euro. The day of intensive care in a hospital is 800 euro. Any operations - from 3000 euro.

True, you can use free medicine. If you have time. Because you can get to the doctor for a free appointment only by turns. And she - from three months to two years.

When in the Baltic countries there was an advertising campaign for joining the EU, local politicians foreshadowed the flourishing of agriculture. Still: the quality is high and the prices are low. According to the laws of the free market, the EU countries were to flood the products from the Baltic farmers. However, in Brussels judged differently. They decided to support their own agricultural producers. Not marketable. Administratively. The Baltic peasants were offered a deal: you give up your own production and sales, and we give you 1500 euro annual compensation. For several years, such a policy on the conditions of the "European Union" began to agree whole villages. And now for groceries only to supermarkets.

And if earlier farm families were the most numerous, now the need to give birth has disappeared. After all, according to the age-old tradition in peasant families, every child born is a future employee of his household. And the more children, the stronger in the future the economy

According to local experts, if the governments of the Baltic countries do not find the resources to stimulate economic growth and fertility, then in 50 years Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be entered in the Red Book. Disappearing peoples of Europe. That is the price. Eurointegration.
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  1. v.lyamkin
    v.lyamkin 23 October 2013 06: 15
    20
    Well, what can I say: What they fought for .....
    1. fktrcfylh.h09
      fktrcfylh.h09 23 October 2013 06: 36
      15
      but they continue to bark ...
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 23 October 2013 06: 57
        20
        Quote: fktrcfylh.h09
        but they continue to bark ...

        They bark, like all hungry outbred dogs on a chain, special, with anguish and howl. Eurochain, you know, is not a brain bone with meat.
        1. domokl
          domokl 23 October 2013 07: 33
          15
          And what did you want? The industry, which was advanced in the USSR, is not needed in the eurozone. Competitors. Agriculture, too. Russia, even with a shortage of certain products, prefers not to get involved for political reasons. Here they run.
          That's right. For what they fought, that end in the face of the face and get.
        2. Gennady1973
          Gennady1973 23 October 2013 14: 49
          +2
          Hudo. I agree with you. And that would not "bark" full trade imbargo! for all products, starting with sprats and milk! Let the Esses who periodically march on their streets with them and feed themselves ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 07: 05
        14
        Quote: fktrcfylh.h09
        but they continue to bark ...

        So, the owner demands request
        1. andrejwz
          andrejwz 23 October 2013 08: 48
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: fktrcfylh.h09
          but they continue to bark ...

          So, the owner demands request

          Since the end of the 12th century, the population of the Baltic states: Estonians, Livs, etc. were in the slavish subordination of knightly orders, consisting of the scum from all over Europe (the last sons are landless), why the heck they should be "Showcase of socialism", now they just returned to their usual state ... The owner beckoned and promised to be kind.
          1. wax
            wax 23 October 2013 11: 55
            +6
            Serf people
            Real dogs sometimes -
            The heavier the punishment
            So gentlemen gentlemen

            NA Nekrasov
      3. Lantau
        Lantau 23 October 2013 07: 07
        +6
        It is rather not barking, but whining.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 23 October 2013 07: 20
          15
          Quote: Lantau
          It is rather not barking, but whining.


          They now have a good incentive for barking and whining - luring Ukraine into otsociation, a fourth grade will appear in the EU, and a slight relief will come out of the third grade due to even more unreasonable ones.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 23 October 2013 07: 50
            +7
            Quote: Hudo
            Quote: Lantau
            It is rather not barking, but whining.


            They now have a good incentive for barking and whining - luring Ukraine into otsociation, a fourth grade will appear in the EU, and a slight relief will come out of the third grade due to even more unreasonable ones.

            Is it a pyramid principle? laughing
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 23 October 2013 08: 37
              +9
              Help me find the next "sucker" and get your "weaving" ....
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 23 October 2013 09: 39
                +9
                Quote: ale-x
                Help me find the next "sucker" and get your "weaving".

                The main thing - it will not be so offensive that you turned out to be a sucker. There are more fools. You’ll already show yourself smart. laughing
                1. ale-x
                  ale-x 23 October 2013 10: 42
                  +3
                  It warms their soul that there are still simpletons besides them ....
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 23 October 2013 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: Hudo
            Quote: Lantau
            It is rather not barking, but whining.


            They now have a good incentive for barking and whining - luring Ukraine into otsociation, a fourth grade will appear in the EU, and a slight relief will come out of the third grade due to even more unreasonable ones.

            That's for sure. 1-Poles were slaves in Europe, remember the Polish plumber. 2- the Balts became slaves-Poles looking after slaves. 3- Ukrainians are slaves, Balts are watching, Poles are small managers.
      4. edge
        edge 23 October 2013 08: 21
        +7
        Quote: fktrcfylh.h09
        but continue to bark ..

        after 50 years, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be entered in the Red Book. Disappearing peoples of Europe and thank God, less yapping ur ... we will be at the border
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 23 October 2013 13: 05
        0
        Quote: fktrcfylh.h09
        but they continue to bark ...


        The dog barks, the caravan goes on. I just offered to stupidly shoot them on a national basis. If you do, then the Baltic question can be solved in 2-3 years, finally: D
    2. Civil
      Civil 23 October 2013 07: 10
      +4
      For slop poured on us ... miserable people
    3. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 23 October 2013 07: 17
      +4
      Quote: v.lyamkin
      Well, what can I say: What they fought for .....

      I agree, they themselves wanted to, so get it.
    4. Arberes
      Arberes 23 October 2013 10: 23
      +4
      Quote: v.lyamkin
      Well, what can I say: What they fought for .....

      Not so bad. I can offer one development option!
      To open a couple of Chirkizons and Biryulevs in these Baltic countries and things will go!
      The population will start to grow very quickly and the "market" economy will flourish like horseradish in a pot?
    5. gsg955
      gsg955 23 October 2013 13: 35
      0
      By Senka and hat.
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 23 October 2013 06: 23
    +3
    hi ... then after 50 years Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be listed in the Red Book.-No, in the Red Book, this is to keep them free, in their habitats; they will come to Russia and eat from their hands, but time will tell or not to "feed" them.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 23 October 2013 07: 01
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      will come to Russia and will eat from the hand, but "feed" them or not, time will tell.


      If they walk on their hind legs, then it is advisable to occasionally encourage an overwhelming cracker or a bundle of straw into the booth - well, so that the belly does not freeze to the plank bottom.
  3. a52333
    a52333 23 October 2013 06: 28
    +8
    I want to congratulate them on non-occupation and freedom. Accept congratulations or understand that you have come under another occupation? wassat
    1. Pit
      Pit 23 October 2013 11: 27
      +4
      Quote: a52333
      Did you understand that you’ve come under another occupation?

      Yes not ... they did not understand. Advertising works for my dear. This industry was not canceled there, but only strengthened, at the expense of Europe.
      Otherwise, they would have begun to think for themselves and remember that it was not so bad for them under the Soviet "occupation"
  4. MolGro
    MolGro 23 October 2013 06: 47
    11
    Hmm, everything turned out worse than I thought (
    Khan to the Baltic states! after the completion of the construction of ports in St. Petersburg, their economy will collapse completely!
  5. 1398727
    1398727 23 October 2013 06: 49
    10
    Independence for the Baltic states is a disaster. Not one came.
    This article finally put an end to my doubts whether my parents did the right thing when in 89g. returned to their homeland from the "well-fed" Lithuania, Mazeikiai (to the Nizhny Novgorod village)
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 23 October 2013 07: 47
      12
      I want to brag (joke). When in 1982 I graduated from 10 classes, and we lived in Kazakhstan. I was offered to enter the university in Tselinograd and Tashkent. And I, young and stupid, also said: No, I’ll go to Mother Russia. He opened the atlas, jabbed his finger at the nearest Russian city, collected his bag and drove off. And in the 90s, when my brother left Kazakhstan, it dawned on me: how lucky I was in 1982.
  6. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 23 October 2013 06: 50
    +7
    So Estonia intended to become “northern Hong Kong”, and Latvia - “northern Switzerland”. No guys, you are a Baltic dystopia.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 23 October 2013 06: 58
      17
      hi Cho is anti ... utopia is!
  7. Renat
    Renat 23 October 2013 06: 58
    16
    But almost in the first place in the world came out on the export of non-ferrous metals without extracting practically nothing on their territory. In Soviet times, they shouted and complained that the Russian Ivan eats all sprats and sour cream, but it turned out that except for us, no one else needed this product. European "friends" politely but unequivocally made them understand that this product does not interest them in principle.
    1. Pit
      Pit 23 October 2013 11: 31
      +2
      Here, and when they handed over the colormet, none of them even thought how it was like they had such deposits. If there were any thoughts, then what is he not in bullion, but in obscure details, not a convenience, a bit
  8. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 23 October 2013 07: 06
    +5
    "Long road in the dunes" - there is such a film he hehe about the sufferings of the Balts, it looks like traveling to foreign lands continues, you can make a REMAKE of this film in its modern version.
  9. AlexisFJ
    AlexisFJ 23 October 2013 07: 11
    11
    All write correctly. My sister’s husband told me almost the same thing when he came to visit us in Russia. He is Lithuanian. They have practically no work there, and pay a penny. She and her sister and children live in England and work there. Earn very, very not bad. I must say that his brothers also moved to England. Only the mother remained at home, but now they want to take her away, because the pension in England is many times greater than in Lithuania. Ksati he (husband of the sister) does not suffer from anything so Russophobic. On the contrary, he was surprised at how people relate here. Relatives, neighbors, friends easily come to visit you. And they are all very hospitable. In England, for example, neighbors are completely alien people. Relatives do not so maintain contact with each other as we do. Friends are very few. And he swears in Russian by the way ...
  10. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 23 October 2013 07: 15
    +4
    This is how they need it. Would you like to live in the EU? Please live, but cannot be returned. During the times of the so-called "Soviet occupation" they had almost paradise life, well, now there will be a real occupation and even a few "European integration "and" EU ". For what they fought, they ran into it.
  11. Gregory87
    Gregory87 23 October 2013 07: 23
    +6
    this is another stone in the garden of Ukraine, supposedly look lads where they have pricked skis ...
    1. AlexisFJ
      AlexisFJ 23 October 2013 07: 41
      +2
      And here you can not argue with the facts. It can be seen approximately how things will develop for future young European countries, unless, of course, nothing changes. But even if it changes, is it for the better?
    2. edge
      edge 23 October 2013 08: 29
      +2
      Quote: Gregory87
      another stone in the garden of Ukraine, supposedly look lads where they have pricked skis ..

      they don’t roll themselves, their atamans, from the master’s service, drag by the ears. And when the geyropa destroys everything there, they will rush to the Russian Ivan again with a cry ...
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 23 October 2013 09: 43
      +7
      Quote: Gregory87
      look lads where to ski skiing ...

      So the most offensive that the Baltic nations REALLY wanted to Europe. And they’re driving us without asking !!!! am
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 23 October 2013 12: 13
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        And they’re driving us without asking !!!

        sword, as once in the Dnieper? Well this is your power, you yourself have chosen it.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 23 October 2013 13: 18
          +1
          Quote: RBLip
          Well this is your power, you yourself have chosen it.

          Yes, as in a joke.
          "-Choose. Mumu-yumba or death?
          -Better death!
          -Okay, pale-faced, you will die. Through mubu-yumbu. "
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 23 October 2013 14: 02
          +1
          Quote: RBLip
          Well this is your power, you yourself have chosen it.

          When we chose it, everyone was for an alliance and expansion of affairs with Russia. And Russian is the second state language. That's why they chose!
      2. Old skeptic
        Old skeptic 23 October 2013 12: 32
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        So the most offensive that the Baltic nations REALLY wanted to Europe. And they’re driving us without asking !!!!


        This cattle is driven into a stall, and people themselves must decide how to live. Where is the Maidan?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 23 October 2013 14: 06
          +1
          Quote: Old Skeptic
          and people must decide how to live.

          Well, Markov said that he was creating a new Eurasian party, he would not vote for laws for the EU ... They kicked out of the deputies, a criminal case was opened "for the beating of a nationalist svoboda in 2007". The people gathered 500 people under the police (in Odessa), 5000 people from Odessa wrote in support of Markov. And this is within 12 hours. So what? Markov is in handcuffs in Kiev, "the instigators of the riots" are arrested. It is not known what else they will be shown ... Don't look at Kiev. Here it is already full of memory settled and everything suits them.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 23 October 2013 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        So the most offensive that the Baltic nations REALLY wanted to Europe. And they’re driving us without asking !!!!

        Yeah, let Yanyk join the EU. Only somehow, without me.
  12. Sergeant
    Sergeant 23 October 2013 07: 40
    0
    Quote: Gregory87
    this is another stone in the garden of Ukraine, supposedly look lads where they have pricked skis ...

    ... ess, but it is very likely that something similar will happen to Ukraine ... recourse
  13. Homo
    Homo 23 October 2013 07: 43
    +5
    And Ukraine, looking at all this, dreams of "paradise" after joining the EU!
    1. edge
      edge 23 October 2013 08: 31
      +2
      Quote: Homo
      And Ukraine, looking at all this, dreams of "paradise" after joining the EU

      And these fables are the only fiction that has remained conveniently used in Ukraine.
  14. Koronik
    Koronik 23 October 2013 08: 00
    +3
    Doesn't Ukraine really understand where it is sticking its head? Or they think that they are "an exception." It will be a pity for our brothers to tears! Well, the Baltic states, even under the Union, were looking for exclusivity in every possible way. True, then they made concessions to her, but now she found what she was looking for.
    1. edge
      edge 23 October 2013 08: 37
      +2
      Quote: Koronik
      and the Baltic states, even under the Union, in every way sought for exclusivity for themselves. The truth, then, they made concessions to it, but now I have found what I was looking for

      the geyropa, at the expense of the Balts and the former East European bloc, raised its percentage of the working white population (just like Hitler did in his time, only in a different way), here it is occupation in a civilized way. They have them now, as they once had Africa, Asia, China, South America .....
    2. Lesnik
      Lesnik 23 October 2013 10: 12
      +3
      Yes, the fact of the matter is that they understand but who cares? The communists tried to hold a referendum, so what? and absolutely nothing - stupidly did not fool
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 23 October 2013 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: Koronik
      Does Ukraine really not understand where its head is?

      What do you think is Ukraine? A living being? Politicians perfectly understand what they are doing. But they (personally) are well paid for these actions. Including guarantees of the inviolability of "everything that is acquired by back-breaking labor." And for the intractable, please, an example Cyprus.
  15. shinobi
    shinobi 23 October 2013 08: 02
    +2
    Ordinary people are sorry.
    1. edge
      edge 23 October 2013 08: 42
      +6
      Quote: shinobi
      Simple people are sorry

      there are no ordinary people-an evil, envious, greedy tribe ...... just remember the Second World War, how many villages they burned together with the inhabitants in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia
      1. sergius60
        sergius60 23 October 2013 12: 21
        +5
        Fuck theorist, when was the last time you saw the Geographic Atlas in your eyes? And you are me, a resident of Zaporozhye, in which until now, IN SPITE OF ANYTHING STAYED - Dneproges named after Lenin, the main avenue named after Lenin, island named after Lenin, lake named after Lenin, Leninsky district, Lenin port - are you lumping together with sr-a-n-th "galitsai"? In front of the "office" of the Communist Party of Ukraine FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE TERRITORY OF THE CIS, a bust of I.V. STALIN !!! Not fucking yet? The "Banderlog" bust was blown up TWO times. But it was also restored twice. And how they drove the "Nazis" along the avenue in the 90s !! The soul warms up from memories. yes By the way, the former "prezik Yushch" almost went crazy when, during a visit to the city, he realized that there was "Leniniana" around !!! Something twisted, but they stupidly "hammered" at him. Recently, by the way, two bottles of shit were poured on the head of the main local "Nazi" during a rally. The boys, of course, were given a little time for a hooligan ... Don't you believe? Google to help.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 23 October 2013 13: 31
          +2
          in the mid-90s in Siberia, Mikhail Sergeyevich also got a bottle on the head, a man was given 15 days, for a hooligan on the basis of personal hostility, I envy him ...
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 23 October 2013 08: 44
      +4
      Nirazu. Why, when they pour mud on Russia, they (the Balts) do it all together. And as soon as it becomes clear that there will be soon, so begin to separate governments from "ordinary people"? Every nation has what it deserves! It applies to everyone, without exception, to Russia, to Ukraine, and even to Zimbabwe (I don't know where it is, I just wrote it =).
  16. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 October 2013 08: 03
    +7
    This is how ordinary people suffer because of the ambitions of politicians.
  17. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 23 October 2013 08: 04
    +2
    from the Don.
    Baltic states: tigers: caught in a trap set by the EU! And the bait! How delicious it looked! Ukraine, with closed eyes, crawls to the same bait. And the result will be the same. But beckoning!
  18. Neighbor
    Neighbor 23 October 2013 08: 10
    0
    We had a mutual dislike for them, but still somehow feel sorry for these "tigers" ...
    1. edge
      edge 23 October 2013 08: 38
      +6
      not a bit .........- do not bite the hand that feeds you good
  19. stroporez
    stroporez 23 October 2013 08: 16
    +4
    Well, that's never a pity ............
  20. KEKS44
    KEKS44 23 October 2013 08: 58
    -13 qualifying.
    And what was it like in the USSR to have a salary of more than three hundred a month? It’s the same as having 2000 euros now.
    here the author went too far. The official dollar to soviet ruble rate was approximately one to one. The euro is currently slightly more expensive than the dollar. So calculate how much wages were obtained!
    1. wax
      wax 23 October 2013 12: 04
      +2
      I didn’t go too far, but I did not go too far, because You should also take into account the salary: almost free housing, medicine, education, children's camps, sanatoriums and rest homes, dispensaries ...
      Now, for the treatment of serious diseases, houses and apartments are being sold. What is 2 thousand euros, it is only 80 thousand rubles, and what can you do for them? to support a wife and child, to pay for school and housing? Refueling a tank with gas costs 2 thousand rubles.
      1. KEKS44
        KEKS44 23 October 2013 14: 35
        0
        May be so. Unfortunately, I hardly had a chance to live in the "communist paradise" and feel these free benefits on myself. Good or bad in the USSR is not for me to judge. And at the expense of the Baltic republics - let them live the way they like. Articles like this are dummies in their essence! What's the use of snoting about what happened in the past. We are for the Balts who are feared and hated by the invaders. I'm afraid it won't be otherwise. Most Russians probably don't care about their problems. There are enough of our own in our country.
    2. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 23 October 2013 12: 34
      +1
      Do not confuse the exchange rate and purchasing power, plus benefits, allowances, etc.
    3. washi
      washi 23 October 2013 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: KEKS44
      And what was it like in the USSR to have a salary of more than three hundred a month? It’s the same as having 2000 euros now.
      here the author went too far. The official dollar to soviet ruble rate was approximately one to one. The euro is currently slightly more expensive than the dollar. So calculate how much wages were obtained!

      And you compare with the internal prices of the USSR for goods and services.
      The miner received 300-500. And there were no mines in the Baltic states.
      Cleaning lady - 70 (wash floors once a day). And these 70 were enough for life.
    4. Cthulhu
      Cthulhu 23 October 2013 12: 53
      +1
      In addition to what was said by WAXA ... do not confuse the value of the money supply of that time and the present. And the rate was 1 green = 68 kopecks. An apartment in a cooperative cost 8 thousand rubles. Now count.
    5. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 23 October 2013 15: 30
      0
      In terms of purchasing power, the ruble was approximately 1 to 6. Officially 0.6 to 1. Please do not take into account the era of Humpback when he let things go (late 80s).
  21. serge
    serge 23 October 2013 09: 05
    20
    A remarkable biography of the Baltic tigers in the XNUMXth century was left by Thaddeus Bulgarin:
    “Beyond Narva, where the Estonian population begins, that is, in a country inhabited by Chukhnis, our situation has become even more intolerable. Chukhnis, as you know, do not live in houses, but in barns. In the section where the oven is heated, for drying bread , the family lives in the winter, and on the threshing floor, where the bread is threshed, livestock is placed, from a cow to an animal despised by Jews and Muslims. There is no chimney, a window in the palm of a size! Thick smoke fills the house, and to get rid of it, you have to sit on the floor , between dirty children, piglets and calves. The last chukhnas take care of almost more than their children! There is an abyss of people everywhere, because three generations of the same family live in the same barn, from great-grandfather to great-grandchildren, with workers and workers. the dirt on the unpaved floor, as in the yard. ”“ Our uhlans had at least good food at the Russian peasants, Russian cabbage soup and porridge, and the most hungry of Chukhonsky powder did not dare to eat. Do you know what powder is? ”Poured into a large cast-iron cauldron half s water, and when it boils, put turnips or rutabagas, potatoes and carrots in there, add a certain amount of rye flour, and as soon as the vegetables are completely boiled, they stir it all with a wooden stirrer until a thin porridge is made of all this. Then they add fresh milk, add salt, chat again and remove from the heat. The whole family sits on the floor around the cauldron and sips the powder with spoons. This is the daily food of the Chukhon, all year round and throughout life! Chukhon delicacy consists of bread (mostly with chaff), sour milk and herring. For tobacco, vodka and herring the Chukhonets are ready to do anything! This is his bliss! Only in salted pork meat does the Chukhonets find some taste, but he does not like any other meat, especially fresh, and calls it bland. There is no doubt that the position of the Chukhons has improved tremendously since then, and now there are even wealthy people among them; but their way of life did not change. A sufficient Estonian now dresses better, leaves the yard, to church or to the city, not in bast shoes or bastels, but in Russian boots, in a good caftan or sheepskin coat, has several horses, a wrought-iron cart, good cattle, eats the best bread and uses more often than herring - but it still lives as before, in a smoky and stinking barn, and cannot do without its own powder. No matter how many attempts were made to make the Chukhon live in bright houses, with pipes and windows - all in vain! Count Sheremetev built, at his own expense, clean and bright houses for the peasants (in the Gazelau estate, near Dorpat), but the peasants only move to these houses for the summer, and in the winter they live in their barns, claiming that they live in smoke and live with livestock. healthier. The case, however, contradicts this opinion. The mortality rate between Chukhon children is terrible, and the population in Estland, in the Estland districts of the Livonian province and in Old Finland is moving forward extremely slowly. There are many blind people among the elderly. Neither Kamchadals, nor Laplanders, nor Eskimos live worse - and this is among the German education! "
    The Soviet government thumped into the Baltic states a breakthrough of money and resources and made it almost a showcase of the country. Even Muscovites in the USSR lived almost three times worse than the Baltic states. And what? Since the stiffness of thought processes is a distinctive feature of the Baltic dwarf tiger, Talaponians with labi decided that if it were not for the Russians, they would have lived three times better. Having crept into Europe in pursuit of a sweet herring, the labuks with wild surprise found that life without Russians had deteriorated several times. With their characteristic logic, they decided that the Russians (!), From whom they had run away, were to blame. Until now, upon hearing the Russian language, the Baltic tiger growls and chokes on sprats. Indeed, the Baltic dwarf tiger is a mysterious and mysterious animal.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 23 October 2013 09: 42
      -1
      Informative, thank you very much.
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 23 October 2013 12: 19
      -1
      very informative. huge plus!
  22. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 23 October 2013 10: 06
    +3
    According to local experts, if the governments of the Baltic countries do not find the resources to stimulate economic growth and fertility, then in 50 years Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be entered in the Red Book. Disappearing peoples of Europe. That is the price. Eurointegration.

    There and the road to them
  23. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 23 October 2013 10: 38
    +4
    The territory of the Baltic states for the EU (see NATO) is needed to a greater extent for the deployment of missile defense, i.e. another victim .... if that ... hi
    1. washi
      washi 23 October 2013 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      The territory of the Baltic states for the EU (see NATO) is needed to a greater extent for the deployment of missile defense, i.e. another victim .... if that ... hi

      It's a shame that we paid repeatedly for these lands not only with money (Peter 1, Stalin), but also with the lives of the inhabitants of our country
  24. mithridate
    mithridate 23 October 2013 10: 45
    +1
    For that fought for it and ran. A very illustrative example for Ukraine
  25. aszzz888
    aszzz888 23 October 2013 11: 09
    +5
    Immediately after leaving the USSR, the Baltic countries set ambitious economic goals. So Estonia intended to become “northern Hong Kong”, and Latvia - “northern Switzerland”.

    And why not the south of Magadan or the west of Taimyr.
    According to the calculations of the head of the International Bureau for the Organization of Migration, Ilmar Mežs, the population of Latvia in four generations will be half a million. This is a harbinger of the imminent disappearance of Latvians from the ethnic map of the world.

    But the census will be quick.
  26. aepocmam
    aepocmam 23 October 2013 11: 21
    0
    "... in 50 years, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be entered into the Red Book ...". And this process should be accelerated. Somehow I don't want to wait 50 years.
  27. vladeinord
    vladeinord 23 October 2013 11: 43
    +3
    Of course, this is all interesting, but if nothing changes in our country, the Russians will be listed in the Red Book a little later ......
    1. washi
      washi 23 October 2013 12: 50
      0
      Quote: vladeinord
      Of course, this is all interesting, but if nothing changes in our country, the Russians will be listed in the Red Book a little later ......

      It all depends on who is considered RUSSIAN. The Nazis conducting the "Russian Marches" are not RUSSIAN. And in churches there are more and more "Greco-Romans", not Orthodox
  28. Olaf
    Olaf 23 October 2013 12: 11
    -3
    Quote: hert
    Quote: fktrcfylh.h09
    but continue to bark ..

    after 50 years, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be entered in the Red Book. Disappearing peoples of Europe and thank God, less yapping ur ... we will be at the border

    It is just 3,14 zdets. Borders WILL NOT be. in 50 years there will be no Russians at all, given the current demographic situation in ERF. But the Russian can not help but pay attention to someone else's mote. Not noticing the deck in his eye.
    1. seller trucks
      23 October 2013 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: Olaf
      This is just 3,14. Borders WILL NOT be. there will be no Russians in 50 years at all, given the current demographic situation in ERF. But the Russian can not help but pay attention to someone else's mote. Not noticing the deck in his eye


      you would be concerned about your demographic situation:

      I've prepared a selection for you

      16 February 2013When copying materials from the page "Over the 2012 year, the population of Ukraine decreased by 80,6 thousand people - Gosstat"

      http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Naselenie-Ukrainy-umenshilos-do-45-millionov.html


      The jobs of Ukrainian citizens are occupied by foreign guest workers.

      http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukraincam-grozit-svoe-biryulevo-iz-za-sootechestvennik
      ov-kotorye-begut-za-granicu-329581.html

      Ukraine is in the top ten countries in the world - leaders in migration. According to media reports, Ukrainians who have scattered around the planet now have about 6,6 million people, while our country has received 5 million people. Migrants are understood as people who were not born in the country in which they live.


      http://donbass.ua/news/ukraine/2012/01/20/smi-za-granicu-uehali-bolee-shesti-mil
      lionov-ukraincev.html

      Ukraine faces a migration epidemic: more than 50% of young people want to leave

      http://www.unian.net/news/582913-ukraine-grozit-epidemiya-migratsii-bolee-50-mol
      odeji-hochet-vyiehat-video.html

      all sources are Ukrainian
      1. Olaf
        Olaf 23 October 2013 16: 44
        0
        I advise you to pay attention to WHAT was my comment. Although what am I talking about? The Raseyanin sees other people's problems from afar, and is unable to see his own under his nose. But going to build an empire.)))) Wretched, but take your gas and oil from you - there will be nothing to eat.
        And regarding the demography of Ukraine, then we can and from 20 million to develop our territory.
        1. es.d
          es.d 23 October 2013 18: 29
          0
          Quote: Olaf
          It is just 3,14 zdets. Borders WILL NOT be. in 50 years there will be no Russians at all, given the current demographic situation in ERF. But the Russian can not help but pay attention to someone else's mote. Not noticing the deck in his eye.


          And to hell in your nose! We will be!
          But seriously, read less newspapers. People from Ukraine write; Do not look at Kiev.
          Understanding, I am writing; Do not look at Moscow. Moscow, for a long time - not Russia. Moscow (more likely Muscovites) are occupiers. In the occupied territories live Russians and Tatars, but who just does not live. But everyone wants to live off the workers. Guess three times about the national (prevailing) composition of WORKING enterprises.
          Fertility in Russia is growing, despite these ..
  29. VladimS
    VladimS 23 October 2013 12: 54
    +1
    The Red Book is to keep them free, in their habitats, they will come to Russia and eat from their hands, but time will tell or not to "feed" them.

    The whole question is that, generously, the Russians, without remembering, will warm the evil, feed ... at the cost of the lives of their sons and daughters, they will save them from the destruction of the total.
    And a little in Russia difficulties .. will run away again to a richer master and yapping
    still will be in Russian, curbing favor. Eh !! Nothing their history teaches.
  30. Troy
    Troy 23 October 2013 13: 28
    +1
    Balts !!!! Do not try to stop there !!! Only forward!!!! I look forward to the time when I can tell my children that once, Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians lived on the Baltic Sea coast. And to the question what they were, I will tell jokes.
  31. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 23 October 2013 13: 53
    +3
    7 years ago, the reformists came to power under the slogan "Estonia is in the five richest countries in Europe."
    The title ones led and voted. The result, life has become worse, everything has risen wildly, and these at the helm are so stuck that they can’t be picked up. Poor life is explained by the consequences of the Russian occupation. The title deeds are underway and are slowly scattering out of the country.
  32. aud13
    aud13 23 October 2013 15: 23
    +1
    Indeed, the Baltic republics in the early 90s positioned themselves as new tigers, probably comparing with a number of Asian countries such as Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong. But the difference between them was huge, because, unlike the Baltic states, the camps of Southeast Asia had much less resources and much more problems. So, for example, Singapore did not even have its own drinking water; it was supplied through the water supply from Malaysia, which was far from being unfriendly to them. But what the eastern tigers had was the desire to make their life better, so they bit their lips and maybe their own pride worked and tried not to spoil relations with their neighbors.
    In contrast to them, the Balts received quite a good infrastructure, which, together with relations with the republics of the former Union, could feed them for a long time through transit traffic, the provision of tourist services, etc.
    All prosrali and still continue to do so.
    Strange, but for almost a quarter of a century, in no of the former Baltic republics has a politician come to power who would have wisely disposed of the inheritance received from the USSR.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 23 October 2013 16: 29
      -2
      What's so strange about that? After all, the entire economy in the USSR looked like a pyramid inserted on the head. The system worked as - the raw material was brought from Russia, the finished product was exported back to Russia. Selling such an abomination to the west was unthinkable. And the whole so-called. "infrastructure" under the new conditions is useless or even harmful. And transit and tourism and life in our country are developing, and at the same time it is not bad, since GDO is on an equal footing with Russia, and we will not go through oil and gas ... And it seems like there is no sign of migration to Russia. And for that, experts come to us from there. Live and work. Probably we have a better beam than Russia.
      1. es.d
        es.d 23 October 2013 18: 42
        0
        I wonder how in this situation, the standard of living in the Baltic was the highest in the USSR? Did you steal?
        You need transit, but not us. A lot of our freaks profited from this. I hope the shop will be closed soon.
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          Nu daaaa ... 23 October 2013 19: 46
          0
          I wonder how in this situation, the standard of living in the Baltic was the highest in the USSR? Did you steal?


          And this is largely due to the fact that people managed to accumulate before the 40th year. And most importantly, from these people. After all, they could not be sent to Siberia (although there were very many, though he was beaming a part of the people there). Or do you think in earnest that the Soviet authorities brought us part?

          You need transit, but not us.


          Not true. There will be a couple of harsh winters and transit will be very useful for you. It will cost much less than icebreakers to lead caravans. In addition, our ports for customers are less expensive than Russian.
          1. es.d
            es.d 24 October 2013 17: 26
            0
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            And this is largely due to the fact that people managed to accumulate before the 40th year. And most importantly, from these people. After all, they could not be sent to Siberia (although there were very many, though he was beaming a part of the people there). Or do you think in earnest that the Soviet authorities brought us part?


            Allow me to live fifty years at the expense of a pill, I do not believe. People earned money. I have no doubt in the industriousness of the people, but, in '86, I earned (probably lying, not for nothing - memory) about 150 full rubles. This is at the VAZ. The director received 400 rubles. 300 received while working on the harvest of grain pom.kombayner. And if you have 300 rubles. they didn’t receive directors ... don’t need any capsule
            The "best" were exiled to Siberia, "Bloody Stalin" shot them there. Who are you left with - the worst ones? Receiving twice as much as me ...

            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            Not true. There will be a couple of harsh winters and transit will be very useful for you. It will cost much less than icebreakers to lead caravans. In addition, our ports for customers are less expensive than Russian.

            But what about "global warming"? Unloading from you to deliver to us cheaper?
            By the way, do not tell me where the infrastructure in the Estonian ports came from, which made you not happy.
  33. EwgenyZ
    EwgenyZ 23 October 2013 16: 09
    0
    We wanted to become the northern "Hong Kong" and "Switzerland", and became the northern "Zimbabwe" and "Swaziland". I should be glad for them, but "it's a sin to laugh at the poor" ...
  34. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 23 October 2013 16: 24
    +1
    The Baltic republics were the first to leave the USSR with zero debt. But still, a significant economic crisis erupted in these countries. Specialization within the USSR in the advanced branches of engineering, fine chemistry, highly profitable sectors of the forest complex, light and food industries, intensive agriculture allowed these republics to be ahead of other republics in many respects ... now the competition in the food market in Europe is so high that possible agri-food Baltic specialization is not very promising. The development of new processing industries requires large investments. Therefore, much in the economic development of the region depends on whether it is possible to maintain a large Russian market that consumes goods traditionally produced in the Baltic states, whether the ports of the Baltic States can continue to process Russian cargoes in large volumes, and whether tourists from Russia come to rest in the resorts of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. It should also be taken into account that the Baltic states receive mainly raw materials and fuel for enterprises from the Russian Federation. One way or another, for all the importance of the “western” direction of foreign economic policy, the countries of the region aspiring to join the EU are forced to take into account the importance that cooperation with Russia has and will have for them. (Baltic states. Fedorov G.M., Korneevets B.C)

    According to local experts, if the governments of the Baltic countries do not find the resources to stimulate economic growth and fertility, then in 50 years Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians can be entered in the Red Book. Disappearing peoples of Europe. That is the price. Eurointegration.

    It is in the USSR (the so-called "occupation period") they had a higher standard of living than in other republics, one of the most profitable agriculture, industry. Apparently I wanted to "live" even better ("the appetite comes with eating"), but their "lanbergs" did not take into account that they are simply used by the West against Russia, feeding the Elite, so that they "yapped" at the right time (for example, the question about Ukraine - Russians are "again" to blame)
    Soon the Baltic countries will only be engaged in tourism, to show what they have achieved at present, other niches are closed to them, and possibly forever. Europe is not up to them-to survive.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 23 October 2013 16: 39
      0
      Soon the Baltic countries will only deal with tourism


      Dreaming is not harmful, and most importantly, for free ...

      GDP by sector:
      agriculture: 2,6%
      industry: 29,2%
      service industry: 68,8%
      1. es.d
        es.d 23 October 2013 18: 45
        0
        Quote: Nu daaaa ...
        service industry: 68,8%

        Decrypt, please .. With the price lol
  35. Arkan
    Arkan 23 October 2013 17: 21
    0
    Always yesterday tomorrow.
  36. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 October 2013 17: 30
    +1
    He studied in Riga at the end of the 70. Comparing Latvia and Russia in those years is simply incorrect. The developed industry of the Baltic Republic, a network of service enterprises, a huge mass of goods in stores of the European level. I could not believe that this was the same Soviet Union. The impression was slightly spoiled by individual citizens who were unfriendly to us. And then the Latvians integrated into Europe. Where did all the industry that worked then in the Soviet era go? Sad gentlemen.
  37. KEKS44
    KEKS44 23 October 2013 18: 49
    0
    Seven Wonders of Soviet Power:
    1. There is no unemployment, but no one works.
    2. No one works, but the plan is carried out.
    3. The plan is being implemented, but there is nothing to buy.
    4. There is nothing to buy, but everywhere in line.
    5. Everywhere in line, but we are on the verge of abundance.
    6. We are on the verge of abundance, but everyone is unhappy.
    7. Everyone is dissatisfied, but votes in favor.
    A joke, but something like that was the case.
  38. Urri
    Urri 23 October 2013 22: 00
    +1
    Quote: Troy
    Balts !!!! Do not try to stop there !!! Only forward!!!!


    I have a second cousin in Vilnius. There is no work at all and no prospects to find. The son will leave for France as soon as he is unlearned. Found a place. The schoolgirl's daughter dreams of only one thing - to leave. Aunt will die, who will come to our graves there? They will curse all their presidents in five years. Even the former sayudists are already shutting up. In stores, hearing Russian, they no longer turn their faces, but at times they look into their eyes. Mother bought wheels and tires for a jeep - they closed a store for 4 hours for her. They said that she provided them with a half-month sales plan. Brother is waiting for our arrival, like a holiday. Because they live starving. And whoever there in Lithuania would not put on show-offs, if there is no earnings in Europe - a khan. Even at customs in small ranks it’s completely salmon to tuna - the chiefs will not share.

    And Ukraine ...
    Yanukovych came to power in the wake of unity with Russia; people believed him. As a stall gopnik behaved. He sat down at the board with the Darkest to play politics. Oh well. By the new year, Julia will jump out in Sharite - I’m already tearing away from him specifically.
  39. APASUS
    APASUS 24 October 2013 21: 52
    0
    So Estonia intended to become “northern Hong Kong”, and Latvia - “northern Switzerland”. The period 1992-2007 created the feeling that it would be so. The Baltic States are increasingly called the "Baltic tigers."

    I just read the first lines I almost swore ...... "Baltic tigers" your division!