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"Leopards", "Crabs" and "Cancers" will increase the power of Polish ground forces

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"Leopards", "Crabs" and "Cancers" will increase the power of Polish ground forces

Poland reorients the costs of supporting international military operations, for example, in Afghanistan and Iraq, to ​​the development of mobility and firepower of the ground forces, which is reflected in the modernization program of the country's armed forces up to 2022 in the amount of 139 billion zlotys (44,7 billion US dollars) , reports Defense News 20 October.


15 August, speaking at the Day of Polish Armed Forces, President Bronislaw Komorowski (Bronislaw Komorowski) said that the government is heading towards a reorientation of military priorities in favor of defense policy that does not exceed Polish capabilities, Polish interests and Polish needs. Local analysts conclude that henceforth, arms purchases will be aimed at strengthening national defense.

Ministry of Defense intends to purchase about 120 more tanks German-made Leopard 2, according to the local daily Gazeta Wyborcza. These tanks are purchased in addition to the already delivered 128 Leopard 2A4. The amount of the new contract, which should be signed in the near future, is estimated at approximately 200 million euros ($ 270 million).

But the country's financial capacity to modernize the armed forces is limited, most of the funds will go to the development of the military industry. The Defense Ministry’s budget for 2014 is likely to be lower than in the current year, but the cuts will not affect the level of technical modernization costs, the fundamentals of which are reflected in the 10-year program. The government should annually allocate for defense needs at least 1,95% of the country's GDP, but it is not yet clear whether this level will be maintained.

Under the program for 2013-2022, the military department plans to allocate more funds for the purchase of combat and transport vehicles to increase the firepower and mobility of the army.

In order to increase mobility during the 2014-2018 period, the army purchases 886 high-performance transport vehicles. By the year 2018, 307 armored Rosomak modular vehicles manufactured by the national company WZMS will also be purchased under license from Finnish Patria. Today, the company has supplied about 570 eight-wheeled vehicles for the Polish armed forces.

The strike power will be enhanced by the purchase of a Krab 155 self-propelled howitzer and a 120 mm self-propelled mortar Rak manufactured by the local defense company HSW. Last year, the Ministry of Defense acquired 24 howitzers, another 98 will be purchased before 2025. From 2014 to 2018, several dozen self-propelled mortars will also be procured from this company.

At the same time, consolidation of the fragmented military industry is under way under one wing, which was announced in September by Prime Minister Donald Tusk. According to the plans, the Polish Armaments Group is being created, which will include WZMS, HSW, Polish Defense Holding, as well as other small manufacturers.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 22 October 2013 11: 29 New
    +6
    The Polish army wants to become more "mobile" ... but to the detriment of security, the same path, or maybe a common one, when "strained" with money ...
    307 Rosomak armored modular vehicles manufactured by the national company WZMS under license from the Finnish Patria. To date, the company has delivered about 570 eight-wheeled vehicles for the Polish armed forces.


    "Professor" AU, we are waiting for clever statements about "Mass Graves" made in Poland ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 October 2013 11: 35 New
      15
      Quote: ...
      Poland will reorient expenditures on supporting international military operations, for example, in Afghanistan and Iraq, on the development of mobility and firepower of the ground forces


      Boldly. But nothing will work for you. As they say in NATO, you will proudly kiss them in the ass.
      1. sens99.ru
        sens99.ru 22 October 2013 15: 19 New
        +4
        Oh guys, I have one association with the word RAKI such - not knowing how to do something? laughing
        1. ElektriK123
          ElektriK123 22 October 2013 17: 27 New
          +3
          Ehhh apparently you and I outplayed the toys) The same thoughts appeared. drinks
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 22 October 2013 18: 05 New
            12
            Yeah, there were still noobs and bottoms;)
            Polish crab.
            1. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. 22 October 2013 22: 04 New
              +1
              Well that's cool.
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 22 October 2013 22: 12 New
              +6
              Folk wisdom: How to become a crab? Get up cancer and go sideways.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 22 October 2013 22: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                Get up cancer and go sideways.

                Changed on a watch? bully Have a good watch drinks And I watch football request
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 22 October 2013 22: 39 New
                  +2
                  Post accepted laughing See you.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 22 October 2013 22: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    See you.

                    But in what mood what Depends on Zenith laughing So that he finally built a new stadium and there were no excuses fool am crying wassat drinks
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 22 October 2013 22: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: sens99.ru
          I have one association with the word CANCER such - not able to do something?
          In fact, the main association asks for another: that the regime of the main movement is clearly not forward laughing
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 22 October 2013 20: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: ...
        Poland will reorient expenditures on supporting international military operations, for example, in Afghanistan and Iraq, on the development of mobility and firepower of the ground forces


        Boldly. But nothing will work for you. As they say in NATO, you will proudly kiss them in the ass.

        That's right ... In Brussels they said: “We need to buy 120 leopards. The Germans need work and money, you understand "...
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 22 October 2013 15: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      The Polish army wants to become more "mobile" ... but to the detriment of security, the same path, or maybe a common one, when "strained" with money ...


      You just said the truth .... Poland wants :) ... but in fact, all the wishlist of pshekov about greatness and others from Mozha to Mozha .... end in the same way with the maneuvers of heavy mobile detachments of Russia and the Western armies and a nimble drape through the swamps " brave "zholnier".
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 October 2013 05: 46 New
      +3
      here the pan lover looms: in each crew you need to find a dog and a Georgian ... laughing
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 23 October 2013 12: 24 New
        +2
        That Georgia will join NATO, and they will be Georgians in the crew. True, it will be harder with a dog.
        1. Denis
          Denis 23 October 2013 15: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: vahatak
          True, it will be harder with a dog
          Korea keep away and no problem!
  2. Zhenya
    Zhenya 22 October 2013 11: 31 New
    +8
    Well, no matter how we blame Poland, but 250 leopards, an impressive strike group, it seems to me that Poland will soon be on par with Spain or even more. With current forces, they can crush the Baltic states and Sweden with Finland. Moreover, no jokes.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 11: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: Marrying
      With current forces, they can crush the Baltic states and Sweden with Finland.

      There huge plans! Give them from Mozh to Mozh (from the Black Sea to the Bali), they do not agree to lesser things.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2013 12: 19 New
        11
        Susanin them enough! laughing
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 22 October 2013 12: 33 New
          21
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Susanin them enough!

          Enough Poles ....
          laughing
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 22 October 2013 17: 55 New
        +1
        They have already taken one sea, the Black remains, and for this it is necessary to destroy Ukraine or Romania. Will they be able to?
        1. smile
          smile 23 October 2013 02: 17 New
          0
          vahatak
          Pan Pilsudski proclaimed - Polsk from Helsinki to Tifliss .... I can’t say whether the Georgians know that they live in the original Polish territories, but the Poles, apparently no one needs to fall apart, they’ll come to your neighbors, all of them explain- and by-and-by will become one solid Poland around you (onizh and so, it seems, are very friendly)! :))))
          1. vahatak
            vahatak 23 October 2013 12: 30 New
            0
            Well, if the pans reach Tiflis, the Georgians will not be able to refuse them hospitality))). The offer, backed up by 250 Leopards, is always more attractive than without Leopards. The problem is that between the Georgians and Poland there is Ukraine and Russia. The outcome is a little predictable.
    2. Kars
      Kars 22 October 2013 11: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: Marrying
      With current forces they can crush the Baltic

      In general, according to the order of NATO, it is Poland that must defend the Baltic states. And therefore, the buildup of military ..power..poland is very consistent with the buildup of the RF Armed Forces. Does the military power of the Russian Federation strengthen by leaps and bounds lately?
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 October 2013 11: 41 New
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        Quote: Kars
        The Russian military power is being strengthened by leaps and bounds
        She is RESTORING ...
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 22 October 2013 12: 31 New
        11
        Quote: Kars
        In general, according to the order of NATO, it is Poland that must defend the Baltic states.

        And Ukraine in the future .... wink
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 22 October 2013 14: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Kars
        military .. power .. Poland

        Is it intentional or accidental?
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 22 October 2013 15: 01 New
          +7
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Is it intentional or accidental?

          What about your speculation? For me it’s so special ..., the reason is the 2 World War, for the 20 days Poland was deposed with fairly good armament and the number of aircraft l / s.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 22 October 2013 16: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            What about your speculation?

            When the "Teutons" again they will have to squeeze the I-ytsa again to help out the Slav brothers.
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 22 October 2013 17: 57 New
              +1
              So right now they are friends with the Teutons, they are arming them. Judging by the price of 200 million for 120 Leopards ...... You understand.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 22 October 2013 19: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: vahatak
                So right now they are friends with the Teutons, they are arming them.

                This is for now, over time, everything will change.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 22 October 2013 17: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: Tersky
            in 20 days, Poland was deposed with fairly good armament and the number of l / s aircraft.

            If she gives the gorilla a club, she will take it, but will she be able to use it as intended? That's the problem. In addition, in order to own, you must also be able to, and want to use as intended. I suspect so!
          3. zennon
            zennon 22 October 2013 18: 10 New
            +5
            in 20 days, Poland was deposed with fairly good armament and the number of l / s aircraft.

            In time, the Polish campaign turned out to be only a week shorter than the French, although the forces of the Anglo-French coalition significantly exceeded the Polish Army both in number and in armament. The German army lost about 1000 tanks and armored vehicles (almost 30% of the total force). Losses in manpower amounted to 45 killed and wounded. According to Hitler’s personal admission, the Wehrmacht’s infantry “... didn’t live up to its hopes.” The intensity of the fighting was such that the Wehrmacht had ammunition and other ammunition only for two weeks, despite the direct, in some cases betrayal of the general (Stefan Domb Bernatsky (twice - as the commander of the Prussia army and the Northern Front), Kazimierz Fabrice (Karpaty army), Juliusz Rummel (Lodz army), Vladislav Boncha-Uzdovsky (000th infantry division) and Colonel Edward Doyan-Surovka (left his 28nd infantry division at the time of a nervous breakdown. General Mechislav Boruta-Spekhovich, commander of the Boruta exhaust team at the final stage of the campaign, prematurely dissolved his headquarters, which led to the defeat of the 2st infantry division, and then the whole group .), the officer and especially the rank and file of the Polish army proved to be brave and knowledgeable! I don’t like Psheks, but this must be admitted ...
            1. ikrut
              ikrut 23 October 2013 01: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: zennon
              The German army lost about 1000 tanks and armored vehicles (almost 30% of the total force). Losses in manpower amounted to 45 killed and wounded.

              Where does this data come from? It seems that everyone has gathered in a heap ... It seems like it has long been known that the Wehrmacht lost about 10 thousand. killed and hundreds of three armored vehicles (along with tanks). No outstanding battles, either, as it were. There were a couple of 1-2 daily foci of resistance. Local value. I don’t take Westerplat into account. The scale is small. Kagbe singing panegyrics to the brave Poles is nothing. IMHO.
          4. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. 22 October 2013 22: 08 New
            0
            France in my opinion in two weeks.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 22 October 2013 19: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        In general, according to the order of NATO, it is Poland that must defend the Baltic states. And therefore, the buildup of military ..power..poland is very consistent with the buildup of the RF Armed Forces. Does the military power of the Russian Federation strengthen by leaps and bounds lately?

        But after all, purchases are carried out clearly on offensive weapons
        1. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 19: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          But after all, purchases are carried out clearly on offensive weapons

          obviously offensive? and what is it? It can not be used to repel an attack?
    3. avg
      avg 22 October 2013 11: 40 New
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      they can crush the Baltic states and Sweden with Finland.

      There is a traditional underestimation of the strategic plans of Warsaw.
      Poland is preparing for the "Battle for Ukraine" or a campaign near Smolensk - to rescue the remains of President Kaczynski, which the insidious Russians have replaced them. am
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 22 October 2013 11: 47 New
        12
        Quote: avg
        Poland is preparing for the "Battle for Ukraine" or a march to Smolensk - to rescue the remains of President Kachinskog

        She, under Smolensk will not stick - at the word "Smolensk" in a racially correct pshek immediately convulsively compressed anus and nervous twitching of the left eye begins. Susanin Ivan, then, behold. laughing But the first option is more pragmatic.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 22 October 2013 12: 44 New
          10
          Quote: Hudo
          She, under Smolensk will not stick - at the word "Smolensk" in a racially correct pshek immediately convulsively compressed anus
          developing an effort sufficient to bite the crowbar. However, even such an effort is not enough to reliably seal the hole ...
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 22 October 2013 13: 24 New
          +8
          Your untruth! the anus does not shrink convulsively, but rather expands sharply! Slightly compressed slightly different causalities. Calling them prohibited by the rules ... Well, understand, yes?
          1. Horn
            Horn 22 October 2013 14: 06 New
            10
            Well, why is it forbidden? Not at all: the anus relaxes, the Faberge shrinks ...
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 22 October 2013 14: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: Horn
              Not at all: the anus relaxes, the Faberge shrinks ...

              Well, damn it ... With you here you will study the anotomy and jewelry business to the heap ... But it actually started from Poland ...
      2. Akim
        Akim 22 October 2013 11: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: avg
        Poland is preparing for the "Battle for Ukraine"

        Why do they need Western Ukraine, and even with Ukrainian nationalists? This is our cross, and they have no special desire to bathe with them.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 October 2013 13: 19 New
          10
          Quote: Akim
          This is our cross, and they have no special desire to bathe with them.

          And how long? For a long time they lost their "desire" ...
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 22 October 2013 14: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Akim
            This is our cross, and they have no special desire to bathe with them.

            And how long? They lost their "desire" for a long time ..

            Their desire was not lost. They sleep and see themselves at the head of the Slavic peoples, contemptuously trampling on their brothers to control them, and licking the ass to the Amers. lol
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 22 October 2013 14: 52 New
              0
              250 Leopards is really serious. A reasonable question: Why does Poland need so many tanks ?? Poland is not Russia or the United States ..
              1. Akim
                Akim 22 October 2013 15: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: GSH-18
                250 Leopards is really serious

                This is serious, but not much. These are two tank brigades according to the Bundeswehr standards. Poland is changing the T-72M1 and part of the RT-91 to them.
            2. Akim
              Akim 22 October 2013 15: 13 New
              -3
              Quote: GSH-18
              Their desire was not lost. They sleep and see themselves at the head of the Slavic peoples,

              What are you composing !. Radicals are everywhere. Modern Poland is more or less a normal state that does not live in places about the new kingdom. It is easier for her Ukraine friend than enemy.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 22 October 2013 22: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                It is easier for her Ukraine friend than enemy

                Since when have Poles made friends among neighbors? belay This has never happened ... lol
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 October 2013 22: 36 New
                  +5
                  That's right. Or masters, or enemies, or subordinates.
    4. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 11: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Marrying
      but 250 leopards, an impressive shock group,
      Not just AWESOME, but VERY AWESOME and not far from our border ... There is reason to "worry"
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2013 12: 22 New
        12
        there is a reason to place "cornet" and tune "bassoons", so meet with the music!
    5. fzr1000
      fzr1000 22 October 2013 14: 13 New
      +3
      I completely agree. Add in there plans for 2020 by 122 self-propelled guns, more than a thousand Wolverines and support in 48 existing F-16s. We get an impressive grouping in the Western direction only from one pshek.
    6. Denis
      Denis 22 October 2013 14: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Marrying
      may crush the Baltic States and Sweden with Finland
      The armored power of the Baltic states is well-known, the road will fall there too, but with the Swedes it is more difficult. In terms of armaments, they are beak nicht klats-klats
      Just recall their Saab fighters, it’s not for nothing that the world buys them. The parties are small, so the Austrian-Swiss need something ...
    7. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 22 October 2013 18: 08 New
      0
      It’s just curious how you think 250 Leopards should get to Sweden or Finland? Is it by air or something? Poland also doesn’t have a fleet as such.
    8. kenig1
      kenig1 22 October 2013 18: 26 New
      +2
      In psheks, the nodules tremble at the word Germany; soon there will be no trace of Europedoidilia. Germany will remember the border along the Oder.
    9. vahatak
      vahatak 23 October 2013 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Marrying
      With current forces, they can crush the Baltic states and Sweden with Finland.

      It would be more interesting to compare the forces of Poland with the forces of Russia in Kaliningrad, and the above countries are not going to fight with them. After all, the first task before Poland in the war will be the elimination of the Kaliningrad group.
  3. Hudo
    Hudo 22 October 2013 11: 33 New
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    [/ quote] Under the program for 2013-2022, the military department plans to allocate more funds for the purchase of military and transport vehicles to increase the firepower and mobility of the army. [/ quote]

    “For whom does the bell ring?” (C) Whose misfortune is the Pshetsky ambition of the Zdrysleki Zabzdulsky and the Chmyreki Gnidoslavsky so briskly?
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 22 October 2013 11: 34 New
      +4
      It seems to me that soon the EU will fall apart, and NATO is also on the verge of a split and everything will return to square one (each for itself)
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 22 October 2013 11: 36 New
        +2
        They are preparing to gobble up weaker and more stupid neighbors.
      2. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 22 October 2013 22: 02 New
        0
        If it seems necessary to be baptized.
    2. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 13: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Hudo
      "For whom the Bell Tolls ?"

      "" Never ask. Maybe he calls for you ...
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 October 2013 14: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Hudo
      “For whom does the bell ring?” (C) Whose misfortune is the Pshetsky ambition of the Zdrysleki Zabzdulsky and the Chmyreki Gnidoslavsky so briskly?

      wassat apparently against Germany (to avenge the baptist)! Well, not against Russia belay wassat We liberated them from the Nazis, they cannot arm themselves against us! lol
  4. crambol
    crambol 22 October 2013 11: 42 New
    +4
    Leopards, Crabs and Crayfish

    Leopard hybrid with cancer - a terrible thing!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 22 October 2013 12: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: crambol
      Leopard hybrid with cancer - a terrible thing!
      good
      The stump is clear. You will go crazy when this hybrid will move towards you with "cancer". And even growl at the same time. It is unknown what ...
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 22 October 2013 13: 35 New
        +7
        We have Onishchenko !!! He will ban hybrids, as a genome-modified misunderstanding !!! )))))
        The enemy will not pass !!!
        1. avt
          avt 22 October 2013 13: 58 New
          +6
          Quote: Goodmen
          Onishchenko is us !!!

          Everything is lost ! Resigned .How will we live now!? I won’t put my mind ..... laughing
          1. Goodmen
            Goodmen 22 October 2013 14: 09 New
            +4
            Sorry ... not at all ah ... sad
            And how great it was ... only someone snorted, they immediately beat him on a pocket - chicken legs, milk, canned food, wine not feng shui !!! ))))))))) angry
            I hope the new home for Rospotrebnadzor A. Popova will cope with the task! smile
            1. HAM
              HAM 22 October 2013 14: 21 New
              +3
              Aunts, they are meaner !!
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 22 October 2013 15: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Goodmen
              I hope the new home for Rospotrebnadzor A. Popova will cope with the task! smile

              It depends on which .. lol
  5. avg
    avg 22 October 2013 11: 59 New
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    The Poles are weak in morale. And they hate and fear!
    Rape under the tank: the artist initiated a discussion about the past of Gdansk

    A sculpture called Komm Frau appeared on the evening of October 12 near the T-34 tank on Victory Alley in Gdansk. Many residents of the city believe that the tank evokes memories of communism, and want it to disappear from this place (in 1945, the Red Army entered Gdansk on such vehicles). However, the passions around the tank subsided when a realistic sculpture appeared next to it, which depicts a soldier in Soviet uniform and with a star on his helmet, attacking a lying woman. In one hand, the soldier holds a gun, directing it into the woman's mouth, and the other pulls her by the hair. The author of the monument is a 26-year-old student of the Gdansk Academy of Fine Arts, Jerzy Bogdan Schumczyk.
    They don’t want the Poles to lag behind the Germans.
    And ABOUT 600 OUR SOLDIERS HAVE FOLDED THEIR HEADS FOR RELEASING POLAND THEY PREFER THE DO NOT REMEMBER.
    1. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 22 October 2013 12: 26 New
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      As Churchill said about the Poles:
      "At the time of the crisis, all doors were closed for the British and French ambassadors. They were not even allowed to visit the Polish Foreign Minister. It must be considered a secret and tragedy of European history that a people capable of any heroism, some of which are talented, valiant, charming , constantly shows such shortcomings in almost all aspects of his state life. Glory in times of rebellion and grief; vileness and shame in periods of triumph. The bravest of the brave were too often led by the vilest of the vile! And yet there have always been two Polands: one fought for the truth, and the other crawled in meanness "(Winston Churchill. World War II. Book 1. M., 1991. S. 147).

      Under pressure from brute force, the Czechs had to make concessions, which was done in the September 30 note. On the evening of October 1, 1938, after the news of Prague's surrender to Warsaw's demands arrives, Polish Foreign Minister Yu Beck makes a speech: “Honor and homeland are inscribed on the army's banners. They also determine the thinking of every Pole responsible for politics. carved into the heart of every citizen - that's why we are respected. " In other words, the leaders of Poland believed that only strength was worthy of respect. It is not clear what they could complain about later, and what they condemn now, forgetting this period of their history, the current Polish politicians.
      History apparently goes in a circle, and Poland then, along with Hitler, invaded Czechoslovakia, tearing off a piece of territory ...
    2. Grenader
      Grenader 22 October 2013 13: 15 New
      13
      Quote: avg
      a sculpture that depicts a soldier in Soviet uniform and with a star on his helmet, attacking a lying woman. In one hand, the soldier holds a gun, directing it into the woman's mouth, and the other pulls her by the hair.

      Nearby it is necessary to erect a monument to a German soldier raping a Polish peasant (orally), and in general to erect monuments to all the soldiers who went here through Poland throughout history. Such a long gallery will work.
    3. Lech from our city
      Lech from our city 22 October 2013 14: 27 New
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      Here he is an artist of a sad image, another geypederastny revolutionary of other words about him can not say such artists disgrace POLAND in principle.
    4. Denis
      Denis 22 October 2013 14: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: avg
      The sculpture called Komm Frau appeared on the evening of October 12 near the T-34 tank
      If we are talking about art and tanks, then this sample will be in place
      The picture of the Polish artist Jerzy Kossak “The Battle of Kutno in 1939”. The picture shows how German tankers surrender, rising from the tank’s tower. Cavalrymen armed with sabers, lances and pistols
      And the tank is very German
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 22 October 2013 15: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Denis
        Painting of the Polish artist Jerzy Kossak "The Battle of Kutno in 1939"


        The website of the memoirs of Soviet veterans iremember.ru contains the words of the driver of the 139th separate tank battalion Ivan Maslov (was on the T-26 tank) about the Red Army entering the Polish territory in the summer of 1939:

        No special battles took place there, but I had to become a witness and participant in repelling the Polish cavalry attack on our tank battalion. And this is not a joke. And when the Polish cavalrymen "with lava" with sabers baldly went to our tanks, we thought that they, these Polish lancers or hussars, were completely fucked up? They were quickly crushed and shot. The Poles threw horses and weapons, and scattered - who were captured by us, and someone ran to their home, to the west. And then the captured Poles told us that before the attack they were told that the Russians had all the plywood tanks and that they did not represent any danger ...
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 October 2013 15: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: avg
      And ABOUT 600 OUR SOLDIERS HAVE FOLDED THEIR HEADS FOR RELEASING POLAND THEY PREFER THE DO NOT REMEMBER.

      Even V.I. Lenin called Poland a political prostitute. Since then, nothing has changed.
  6. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 October 2013 12: 02 New
    +6
    What if crabs start jumping like leopards, and then when they become cancer! U-horror!
  7. Guilty
    Guilty 22 October 2013 12: 05 New
    +8
    Quote: crambol
    Leopards, Crabs and Crayfish

    Leopard hybrid with cancer - a terrible thing!

    heh ... our gamers in WoT ride with laughter))) Such a Krzysztow-Pszysztow rides and proudly magnifies his defenses, his CANCER, CRAB. And in the rear, BOTTOM)))))))) ???
  8. Guilty
    Guilty 22 October 2013 12: 14 New
    +9
    But seriously, it’s worth considering. The Poles have always looked at us askance and will look. I don’t know where we crossed their path, but from my experience I know that they do not like Russia and Russians. Moreover, this dislike looks more like the envy of a poor neighbor to a rich one. Therefore, they are waving NATO. TYPE, well, who is with us from NATO?
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 22 October 2013 13: 29 New
      +3
      I agree. Psheki, though homosexual, are not stupid. Spend a lot of money for no reason, for no reason, will not. Also during the crisis.
      Nobody is going to attack them - this is obvious! Then, in the framework of operations, the nats or themselves? Where is it possible to unleash another conflict ... Europe (Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States) is unlikely, the interests of the Russian Federation, practically borders, all the same, they will not go into the forehead with nata / without nata ...
      Where then? Syria? Iran? Or maybe where else?
      1. smile
        smile 22 October 2013 14: 56 New
        +3
        Goodmen
        According to the rationality of actions, spending and the level of corruption, their leadership is even worse than ours - the Poles themselves do not just understand this, but scream at all angles. Ask any Pole what he thinks about his government, politicians and authorities as a whole, every second person will say that eats it! :))) Every first one will be exhausted in Russian ... :)))
        By the way, despite the total personal hatred of Comrade Pu, a significant part of the Poles declare with envy, we would have such a president ... :)))
        1. tomas.09
          tomas.09 22 October 2013 23: 12 New
          +3
          Yes, Georgia, too, who just didn’t arm, what happened, I hope everyone knows?
    2. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 14: 50 New
      12
      Guilty
      We crossed the road a long time ago, having regained the Russian lands they had taken and buried their dreams of Polsk from Helsinki to Tifliss. Together with their greedy state and plans for world domination. Almost half a century ago, their king, Swede, Heinrich Waza introduced ALL Russian lands into the Polish coat of arms of the Rzecz Pospolita. as well as the lands of Prussia, the Czech Republic, Sweden, etc., in general, of all neighbors. So that the Polish grievances are quite justified, like zhezh. we zhezh, villains such, did not give themselves to enslave .... :)))
      Yes, and they look at us not askew, but greedily - simply by virtue of habit. Quite a long time ago, the core of their state ideology is, anyway, whom to wave to, if only the Russians feel bad.
      In fairness, it must be said that quite a few Poles understand the flawedness of their ideology, and the disastrous for Poland of such a policy. When Poland joined Nata, one of their journalists wrote something like this: "Well, now Poland will not provide sexual services to anyone except Americans and will look down on everyone ...." :)))
  9. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 22 October 2013 12: 27 New
    +7
    Kind! So think next time how to free someone!
  10. fklj
    fklj 22 October 2013 13: 08 New
    +5
    A storm in a glass is Polish!
  11. Neighbor
    Neighbor 22 October 2013 13: 15 New
    +7
    Russia is it from ocean to ocean! And at the males from mozh to bad. That complex ...
  12. HAM
    HAM 22 October 2013 13: 53 New
    +4
    The Polish army is preparing to attack Russia. (and why we can’t say so, because they say so about us).
  13. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 22 October 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    Why spend a ton of money on the purchase of completely unnecessary equipment?
    Afghanistan, Iraq is a good training ground but not for battle-tested equipment.
    Rapid response units and light small arms equipment can be run there. Probably the money appeared in the lords.
    1. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 15: 00 New
      +3
      nazgul-ishe
      Nato presses hard on East European recruits for that. so that they do not save on funds allocated for military spending and purchase weapons and military equipment. The Poles simply have nowhere to go, even if they wanted to dissolve the army altogether, the owners would not allow them.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 22 October 2013 15: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: smile
        The Poles simply have nowhere to go, even if they wanted to dissolve the army altogether, the owners would not allow them.

        Why? There is, Susanin knows for sure .. laughing Vladimir, hi !
        1. smile
          smile 22 October 2013 15: 48 New
          +1
          Tersky
          Hello!
          Well, in principle, this is so :)))) ... and the Poles this way is very well known, we often sent them there ... and they went, where to go, we were very convincing in our requests ... :) )) you see, again they beg themselves, probably everything is overgrown there, since itchy again ... :)))
  14. cormorant
    cormorant 22 October 2013 14: 03 New
    11
    Poland is 51 US states that do not have their own foreign policy. Agent of Anglo-Saxon influence in Europe.
    For a long time working with them I heard a lot of nasty things about Russia. Russia fell apart and drank too much, and the fact that they were sitting on the throne in Moscow was pronounced with aspiration. am
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 October 2013 15: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: cormorant
      and the fact that they were sitting on the throne in Moscow is generally pronounced with aspiration.

      And the fact that with cancer in front of naglosaks every day with a squeal-aspiration laughing
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 22 October 2013 18: 29 New
      0
      Sitting on the throne, they ate each other, and so with a gasp.
  15. Migari
    Migari 22 October 2013 14: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Marrying
    but 250 leopards, an impressive shock group,
    Not just AWESOME, but VERY AWESOME and not far from our border ... There is reason to "worry"

    There is no reason to worry especially, all of this is taken into account with us, they are also being reformed, and deliveries to them from NATO are coming (BU), the tanks are good, but they are obedient mongrels, they are in the block, it’s unlikely they will take anything like Mishiko.
  16. Stiletto
    Stiletto 22 October 2013 14: 13 New
    +5
    Once a swan pike with cancer ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 22 October 2013 14: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: Stiletto
      Once a swan pike with cancer ...
      And the pike became here ...

      correctly!
      Pole
  17. starhina01
    starhina01 22 October 2013 14: 26 New
    +1
    Well, why the hell are these crabs the dough they have so little and they are all there in the debt hole fool
  18. Gakkoga
    Gakkoga 22 October 2013 14: 41 New
    +1
    If Poland manages its military groupings in the same way as during the Second World War, then 250 tanks will not save them ...
  19. vty971
    vty971 22 October 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    Whatever a child would amuse, just not cry belay
  20. Constantine
    Constantine 22 October 2013 14: 58 New
    +2
    It means that they will begin to "scourge" in the literal sense wassat
  21. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 22 October 2013 15: 03 New
    +3
    As long as I remember the story is correct and no, the Poles have always lovingly hit us in the back. They cared about the Kiev table, went to Moscow. Then they raked it, of course ... This is our "friendship of peoples". They may not climb, all the same, now we are not as "sick" as before, and they may well shit.
  22. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 22 October 2013 15: 25 New
    +1
    It can be seen that the Germans still need to send tanks to the warehouse, on demand, here are good Poles and they will carefully store the equipment until the 3rd World War.
  23. Laur balaur
    Laur balaur 22 October 2013 15: 34 New
    -10 qualifying.
    Everyone remembers about the liberation of Poland, but about Katyn about Bykovnyansky, a forest that was forgotten near Kiev. But the psheks are therefore remembered and arming themselves. They will force to answer for the president’s hacked plane.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 22 October 2013 15: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Laur balaur
      They will force to answer for the president’s hacked plane.

      laughing laughing good
    2. Denis
      Denis 22 October 2013 15: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Laur balaur
      about Katyn about Bykovnyansky, a forest that was forgotten near Kiev
      Are you kidding or repeating stamps?
      In 1939 480000 Poles surrendered, 15000 slapped in Katyn
      In 1920 of the 60000 captured, 40000 died of hunger
      And with an airplane without numbers, it was necessary not to speculate, but to listen to the dispatcher. So pilots are taught
      1. Laur balaur
        Laur balaur 22 October 2013 16: 06 New
        -8
        Only in Katyn, 22000 officially, plus the Bakovnyansky archipelago 15-20 thousand. even in the Lugansk region 10 thousand were rotten alive. I understand that in Russia 40-50 thousand people are so small, and for Pshek it’s a whole voivodship
        1. Denis
          Denis 22 October 2013 20: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Laur balaur
          I understand that in Russia, 40-50 thousand people are so small, and water for psheks is a whole voivodship
          Are you sorry for them !? Judging by the flag, they and yours were not very ceremonious
        2. smile
          smile 23 October 2013 02: 28 New
          0
          Laur balaur
          That lana to you ... when the Germans shot the Poles in the Goat Mountains, they talked about the fact that we banged about 5 thousand.
          When the Poles decided to seize on the Goebbels version, they also started with about the same amount, every ten years the number of Poles shot by the Germans, who were blamed for us, doubles, so that your lies are already out of date. Now they tryndy about 27 thousand .... :))) And you, by the way, obviously do not believe in it, you can’t be so ... well, respectively, you are just an impudent liar. Congratulations.
    3. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 15: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Laur balaur
      They will force to answer for the president’s hacked plane.


      Yes easily! Let the stump remaining from the birch near Smolensk be bitten with their stingers.
  24. mithridate
    mithridate 22 October 2013 15: 38 New
    +1
    it is necessary to assess the situation and take appropriate appropriate responses, and not to engage in cap-making
  25. Laur balaur
    Laur balaur 22 October 2013 16: 01 New
    -5
    and at the expense of the German "leopards" dig up the history of the Second World War, their descendants and now a class higher than analogues. Of course, they cost a lot, but the technique is at the level of fiction. Russian tank builders always compare their samples with the "leopard", that is, equal to the best one.
  26. Laur balaur
    Laur balaur 22 October 2013 16: 12 New
    -6
    In 1920 of the 60000 captured, 40000 died of hunger

    Died of starvation because they went on a diet? or such a protest?
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 16: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Laur balaur
      Died of starvation because they went on a diet? or such a protest?

      To mock the dead - bestiality, pan laur mazepovich.
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    2. smile
      smile 23 October 2013 02: 11 New
      +1
      Laur balaur
      Over a hundred thousand were taken prisoner; not only military men were considered prisoners by far. Killed and starved at least 80 thousand ..
      In general, it is strange to hear the gloating on this topic from a person whose compatriots from 20 to 39 years experienced the most severe Polish oppression. including a ban on education. faith, executions and burnt villages ... or you like it. when is it like this with you?
  27. Hauptam
    Hauptam 22 October 2013 17: 48 New
    +2
    In Soviet times, they spoke, the Polish Army on the rovers on x ... ah and self-gunners. Since then, little has changed that on the T-72 and on Leo they hate us. But nothing was beaten.
  28. vladstro
    vladstro 22 October 2013 17: 56 New
    +3
    they shared the Czech Republic with Hitler, then they wanted to hide from the British and French from him, as a result, our grandfathers had to release them, but try to tell them now, they’ll immediately say RUSSIAN means the occupier, history doesn’t teach the Americans to have them, but pi .. ..ram see like.
  29. KOMBAT KOMISSAR
    KOMBAT KOMISSAR 22 October 2013 18: 24 New
    -8
    The Poles will conquer the Kaliningrad region in two days. T-72 will not stand against the Leopards.
    1. vladstro
      vladstro 22 October 2013 18: 39 New
      +5
      Panfilov at 41 on Volokolamsk highway and had no tanks, 45-mm little guns and grenades, stood against the conquerors of Europe, nothing
    2. smile
      smile 23 October 2013 02: 39 New
      +1
      KOMBAT KOMISSAR
      miserable, have you seen the Kaliningrad region? :))) Or do you think this is the Don steppe? :)))) please, sketch out a rough plan to capture my area with the calculation of the necessary forces and means .... I do not ask in detail - the direction of the main strikes, and the connections involved - is enough ... well, and chronoligy, please. on the barrel. since you trynd about two days ... :))))
      Are you really so stupid that you don’t understand how much shame and what nonsense you say? I'm not talking about the fact that, apparently, you obviously didn’t even serve urgent .... :)))
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 23 October 2013 02: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: smile
        The Poles will conquer the Kaliningrad region in two days.

        Some stubborn warriors for clarity!
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 23 October 2013 12: 34 New
          0
          And what is the blue line? Fortifications or roads?
  30. Vittt
    Vittt 22 October 2013 19: 09 New
    0
    Quote: "At the same time, there is a consolidation of the disparate military industry under one wing, which was announced in September by Prime Minister Donald Tusk."
    Krylov + Pushkin and I (Tusk + someone there, they have a president and a diet): I want to embrace the immense swan, crab and pike. I want to become the mistress of the sea - to oppose everything in my lake, command the overseas sky - especially Russian-Ukrainian, and for starters, the missiles are overseas eggplant.
  31. Saharok
    Saharok 22 October 2013 19: 53 New
    -2
    Hey!!! Rousse Ivan will be ready to climb before the Polyakomi gentlemen ...

    They (Poles) will conquer Russia, they will persuade Ukraine, from Belarus there is nothing at all except fields with potatoes. Everyone will be enslaved by Lithuania, Latvia, Germany will be crushed and CREATED A GREAT SPEECH AMOUNT ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 20: 48 New
      0
      No, they will not. Wider steps - pants tear.
    2. Saharok
      Saharok 22 October 2013 23: 09 New
      +2
      hey .. why "-" your ???
      Or did they believe in Greater Poland? ((((
  32. voliador
    voliador 22 October 2013 19: 55 New
    +2
    All continue to rage Psheki ... As long as there is Russia, they will spit mad saliva.
  33. Stasi
    Stasi 22 October 2013 20: 20 New
    +2
    During World War II, the Poles hoped to be Hitler's allies, it was even planned to create a Polish-German army under the command of Piłsudski. If something like that happened and we would have to fight in the Great Patriotic War, not only with the Germans. However, then all of Europe worked for the Reich and there were enough Poles in the Wehrmacht. Having entered into an alliance with Hitler, Poland hoped to regain possession of Western Ukraine and Belarus, or even subjugate them completely to itself as such. This desire has not disappeared anywhere, the Poles hope that there will be a disintegration of Ukraine into Eastern and Western, and such a probability is very significant that they will move all these "Leopards" and other military equipment with troops to Western Ukraine in order to attach it to themselves. This is why the Polish army is arming itself, and not just out of fear of Russia.
  34. Laur balaur
    Laur balaur 22 October 2013 21: 59 New
    -7
    Better leopards in Ukraine than utopian gas contracts, etc.
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 22 October 2013 22: 14 New
      +1
      Do you hope that then in Ukraine there will be abundance and prosperity, when the Poles and other NATO members come in "Leopards"? Don't you think that Ukraine as an independent state will then come to an end, it will simply disappear?
      1. Laur balaur
        Laur balaur 22 October 2013 22: 30 New
        -3
        We also hope so, therefore, with two hands for the association with the EU.
      2. Laur balaur
        Laur balaur 22 October 2013 22: 34 New
        -3
        Ukraine will disappear when Russia will be slandering the Urals ridge
    2. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 23 October 2013 13: 47 New
      0
      Remember the story, the Poles had a historic chance to make a great power having Ukraine in their composition, but the greed and intolerance of the Orthodox faith destroyed the gentry. The speech of the Commonwealth was exhausted in the fight against the Cossack uprisings in Ukraine. As a result, Ukraine, although it became part of the Russian kingdom, has retained faith and is now one of the largest states in Europe.
  35. Misantrop
    Misantrop 22 October 2013 22: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Laur balaur
    Better leopards in Ukraine than utopian gas contracts, etc.
    Young Bandera?
    1. Laur balaur
      Laur balaur 22 October 2013 22: 31 New
      -3
      No old communist!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 23 October 2013 00: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Laur balaur
        No old communist!

        You do not correspond to the high rank of a communist, rather an old pedagogical growth.
  36. January
    January 23 October 2013 04: 30 New
    0
    Poland will reorient expenditures on supporting international military operations, for example, in Afghanistan and Iraq, on the development of mobility - this is so that it was not necessary, like the Georgians, to drape from us in passenger cars?
    1. basil200
      basil200 23 October 2013 06: 32 New
      +1
      most importantly do not forget to increase the thickness of the armor on the aft.