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Infectious Snowden: Russian intelligence agencies are trying to gain access to personal data of users

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Internet, e-mail, mobile phone conversations are technologies that managed to be christened by three whales of information freedom. Every person in our country with a device connected to the Network (the Internet or cellular network) can share almost any information with other people. Only three directions are prohibited: child porn, drug propaganda and calls for suicide. These prohibitions are regulated for Internet sites by relatively recently adopted amendments to the law "On Information, Information Technologies and Information Security". These amendments (or rather rumors about censorship on the Internet, which turned out to be too exaggerated) were regarded by many in Russia as an attempt to stifle freedom of speech in the country. However, the amendments introduced, no normal person (even suffering from acute attacks of freedom of speech), they just do not hurt.


However, the other day came information that again makes us think not so much about freedom of speech (freedom of speech in general is a loose concept ...), but rather about the observance of the norms of the Russian Constitution, if only because if there is a Constitution in the state, then by definition it must be observed . We are talking about, to put it mildly, some inconsistency of 2, paragraph 23, of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the draft order of the Ministry of Communications and Mass Communications, which (the order) this ministry agreed with the Federal Security Service of the country. According to this project, 1 will be installed by Russian Internet service providers in July on 2014, which will allow special services to get direct access to users' activities. Special equipment will allow saving data for at least 12 hours and transmit this data for analysis to the relevant departments of the competent authorities. In such a situation, special services can get access to IP addresses, mobile numbers, email addresses in any mail services that users are currently working with, user data from Skype, ICQ, Google Talk, etc. In addition, special services will be able to determine the so-called IMEI-code (international identifier for mobile devices). The document contains a proposal to prohibit the use of anonymizing programs that allow users to surf the Web incognito or under other network data.

Infectious Snowden: Russian intelligence agencies are trying to gain access to personal data of users


Now that same 23-i (p.2) article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
Everyone has the right to confidentiality of correspondence, telephone conversations, postal, telegraph and other communications. Restriction of this right is allowed only on the basis of a court decision.


The key phrase here is “based on a court decision”. If the mentioned document (order of the Ministry of Communications and Mass Media, agreed with the FSB) passes through the Ministry of Justice, then it turns out that the special services do not need appeals to the court - everything will be done promptly.

On the one hand, everything looks quite reasonable: if a particular IP address is used to conduct hacker attacks on important resources, fraudulent work is being done from a mobile phone, extremist information is published on a certain site, then employees of competent authorities have the opportunity to take distributors of this information (scammers, hackers, terrorist emissaries and others) "for the gills" without unnecessary bureaucratic red tape. But on the other hand, how will such an order differ from the documents on the basis of which, for example, the US Agency for National Security (sensationally in recent months, the NSA) works. We (ordinary citizens of Russia), and together with us and representatives of the authorities, were outraged and continue to be outraged by the fact of total surveillance, arranged for Internet users and mobile phone owners around the world by representatives of the NSA. We even (not all, but many) applauded the act of Edward Snowden, who decided to give publicity to what the CIA is doing, what plans are being hatched in the NSA, how the “all-seeing eye” tries to see the activity of hundreds of millions of users in different countries of the world. And then, it turns out, some kind of incident. Only, you know, Snowden Sr., who flew to Russia last week to see his son, said that Russia is probably the only place in the world where you can feel safe (his son, at least) when suddenly the talk begins in the style of “the NSA has long been doing, and the FSB is worse?”

Honestly, I would not even like to see the face of this Edward Snowden at that moment when he learned (learned) that in Russia the special services decided to follow the example of their American colleagues ...

Although one should not forget that the initiative with this very ambiguous order of the Ministry of Communications and Mass Media is not a novelty. Did Snowden know about this? - another question. At this point in our country, something similar is already in operation, hidden under the abbreviation SORM (System of Technical Means for Ensuring the Functions of Operational Search Activities). There are two such systems in Russia: SORM-1 (telephone tapping, either with or without judicial sanction, quote: “in exceptional cases”) and SORM-2 (system for logging user access to the Internet). Both systems formally began to operate from the beginning of 2000's.

What was the use of these SORMs? The fact is, each telecom operator (provider) had to provide itself with fairly expensive equipment, with which it was possible to save user data and transmit vast amounts of information to special services. Large players on the Internet and cellular market “pulled” the purchase of such equipment, but for small players it turned out to be a little expensive for money players, and even with the required amount, security forces did not always allow small companies to conduct their work. As a result, it turned out that large players survived on the market, and they connected to SORM. For a start, this is about the question of fair competition, and only then about such lofty matters as the Constitution, “human rights”, the fifth-tenth ...

A small lyrical digression from the topic.

Analyzing the information about the "new" order of the Ministry of Communications, you come to the conclusion about how naive we are. When buying a mobile phone or computer, using it to exchange information through cellular communication systems or the Internet, for some reason we believe that all our activities in these networks are strictly confidential. By filling in various forms on the sites, we believe the inscriptions that all the information we left will be 100 times protected and no one (except the honestly honest employees of this organization) will use it at all, and even more so for mercenary purposes. Then we wonder why some strange calls from “banks” come to our mobile phones with an appeal to urgently “restore a blocked card”, for which we need urgently (certainly urgently) to transfer all funds from our card to some other ... where do scammers know our names, how do they know that they are calling our phone ... And yet you need to be surprised not this, but why, if SORM-1 and SORM-2 systems in Russia are more than 10 years old, everything these mobile and internet scammers continue to “cut money us "on the naive citizens left without a penny gullible pensioners use various sites for extremist propaganda, with a focus on specific user names. Why, when contacting the competent authorities, they just shrug their shoulders: they say, of course, we will consider the appeal, but we can hardly catch the telephone fraudster. Only in rare cases, the activity leads to a result. If it comes to that, then, SORM, where are you? (I hope Edward Snowden does not read this ...)

Lyrical digression ended. It's time to go back directly to the topic and summarize.

So, if there is SORM, which at one time already “established” the connection between the special services and large providers (operators), then why did it take to adopt the next acts of this type? If you believe the data from RussiaToday (and there is every reason to believe this data), then the new order aims to use new equipment to store and transmit data about the activity of Internet users and mobile networks. It can be assumed that this equipment is unlikely to be cheap, as companies will need to store and send to the special services real mountains of information at an acceptable speed. If the equipment is really expensive, then it is very likely that it will be able to be purchased (unless the state helps them, of course) by providers and mobile operators. So, some other group can go to the bottom. Again, more to the issue of healthy competition than about anything else. That is, if the state does not help with money, then there will be trouble with competition on the Internet and mobile market — maybe it’s a document that says: fewer companies are easier to control. And if the state helps with money, then a paradoxical situation will turn out: the Russians themselves will pay the intelligence services the possibility of extended control over every computer or phone owner, that is, they themselves will sponsor that same constitutional violation ... But there are few such constitutional violations we have already sponsored without knowing it ...

Or, maybe, another resolution will be issued on urgent amendments to the Constitution to increase the safety of citizens. Although this is unlikely, because, as we found out, there will be more business than security here ...
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 October 2013 07: 49
    +6
    Everyone has the right to confidentiality of correspondence, telephone conversations, postal, telegraph and other communications. Restriction of this right is allowed only on the basis of a court decision.
    Let first change the article of the Constitution .. And then somehow it turns out badly.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 22 October 2013 08: 36
      46
      there are 31 articles of Constitution.RF-it directly cancels the Law on Rallies .....
      a number of provisions of the Constitution about subsoil, education and healthcare-fiction.
      and so on and so forth ... the state is moving away from society and the LAWs it invented ...
      I remember "Dunno on the Moon" by the seer Nikolai Nosov
      - And who are these policemen? - asked herring.
      - Bandits! - said Spikelet with irritation. - Honestly, bandits! In fact, the duty of the police is to protect the population from robbers, but in reality they protect only the rich. And the rich are the real robbers. They only rob us, hiding behind the laws that they themselves come up with. And what, tell me, is the difference, according to the law, they will rob me or not according to the law? ..........
      ........... by the way, the police is the special service .....

      today, then we, in fact, have a second Khazaria. The rulers are completely aliens, although the names and surnames are Russian. The wealth of the country is in their hands. The media under them. The army is hired, people are turned into slaves, and near the throne the mountain people, who are generously paid for the service. The words are one and the MATTERS are completely opposite ...... Everyone sees and knows that THIS IS THE THEFT, and the President says
      - ..... not the 37th year ...... ????
      And it will end much worse 37 years-the resident is right, then MAKED THE ORDER AND REMOVED UNCLEAN .....
      And right now, uncleanness in the Kremlin .... in the media, on the front pages of newspapers and burping on TV .....

      One thing is good .... They introduce all this late ...
      the number of real People (sane)) has grown significantly
      This is also visible on our site .... They no longer have the technological capacity to cover everything ....
      .... in the age of UNLIMITED INTERNET, you need to make as many conversions as possible on advertising pages in search pages
      -open all links on the first page))))))
      -10 minutes a day to spend on the news surfer with the maximum opening of long articles))) let them read)))
      And we remember for each nut there is a BOLT with a torn thread))))
      1. SergBrNord
        SergBrNord 22 October 2013 09: 16
        +2
        Why read? Easier to organize a search for key phrases.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 22 October 2013 14: 43
          +4
          Quote: SergBrNord
          Why read? Easier to organize a search for key phrases.


          In encrypted traffic :) ... organize do not think that there are fools sitting there.
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 22 October 2013 15: 20
            +2
            Everyone has the right to privacy of correspondence

            Let them read. I have nothing to hide.
            Spit on reading. laughing
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 22 October 2013 19: 31
              +2
              Russia is perhaps the only place in the world where you can feel safe (to his son, at least), when conversations in the style of “The NSA has been doing it for a long time, and the FSB is worse?”

              laughing
      2. Draz
        Draz 22 October 2013 09: 47
        0
        And it became interesting to me. I went to the website of the Ministry of Communications and Telecommunications and did not find a single mention there either that was about this law but generally a hint of the installation of such equipment.

        COMRADE! It seems to me that someone is trying to separate us again.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 10: 39
          +7
          They have been listening and reading for a long time. Only now they are trying to bring it under the legal framework.
          1. Orik
            Orik 22 October 2013 12: 07
            +7
            Always read, read and will read, this is their job. An essential question for what they read ?! To protect the anti-national power or the person of the creator!
          2. vvvvv
            vvvvv 23 October 2013 04: 56
            +1
            Indeed ... Those who do not know can google "System of technical means for ensuring the functions of operational-search measures" or abbreviated SORM. This has been working for almost 14 years, and then suddenly "surveillance" became news ... It's funny just ... bully
            But about the "legal consolidation" (material from Wikipedia):
            All telecom operators in Russia are required to agree on an action plan for the implementation of SORM, otherwise their license may be revoked.
            In accordance with article 23 of the Constitution of Russia, the restriction of secrecy of communication is allowed only by a court decision. At the same time, the law mentions the possibility of using SORM before the court’s decision, “in cases established by federal laws”:
            In the Russian SORM, the special service independently, without going to court, determines the user whom it is necessary to put under control and independently exercises this, therefore there is no separate administrative function on the Russian SORM model, we can say that it is integrated into the SORM control center.
            From Article 64: “On the Obligations of Telecommunications Operators in Holding Investigative Investigation Activities and Investigative Actions” of the Federal Law “On Communications”:
            1. Telecommunications operators are obliged to provide authorized state bodies engaged in operational-search activities or ensuring the security of the Russian Federation with information about users of communication services and about communication services provided to them, as well as other information necessary to fulfill the tasks assigned to these bodies, in cases established by federal laws.
            An official court decision is required to directly listen to conversations, but court authorization is not required to obtain other information (for example, about facts of making calls). As a rule, SORM systems technically distinguish between operators' access rights to the system and record the usage history, which provides protection against abuse by individual law enforcement officials.
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 22 October 2013 14: 44
          +4
          Quote: Draz
          And it became interesting to me. I went to the website of the Ministry of Communications and Telecommunications and did not find a single mention there either that was about this law but generally a hint of the installation of such equipment.

          COMRADE! It seems to me that someone is trying to separate us again.


          For what ?
          1. Draz
            Draz 23 October 2013 21: 37
            0
            It’s like with the topic of fully paid education (almost 50000 rubles per year), which appeared from where it was not clear, and every year they said that they had just passed the law. Only every year the dates changed)))

            This is a provocation.
            More excitement, discontent, somehow too often all sorts of dark events and personalities began to come out on top: Biryulyovo; Volgograd, the FSB, Dagestan ....
            I'm certainly not paranoid, but as they say, "The question arose" (c)
      3. Starfish
        Starfish 22 October 2013 11: 21
        +3
        any power strives for maximum control over society as a whole, and if possible over each person individually. and it turns out she has exactly as much as people allow her.
        I agree with you, it is necessary to resist the control of who, as best they can - actively or passively.
      4. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 22 October 2013 16: 55
        +2
        Yes! The site really shows! A year ago, your message would have had a rating of "-150", and now we will all add to you, as support for your thoughts and words! And let's hope that it will always be so now!
        1. poquello
          poquello 22 October 2013 19: 45
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Yes! The site really shows! A year ago, your message would have had a rating of "-150", and now we will all add to you, as support for your thoughts and words! And let's hope that it will always be so now!


          This you plyus as support, I plyus because the author is worried about us and you, although he still did not understand what Snowden was talking about. Smoke the difference between an accumulative dossier and temporary storage for operational use.
      5. goldfinger
        goldfinger 22 October 2013 21: 15
        +6
        Quote: Asgard
        I remember "Dunno on the Moon" by the seer Nikolai Nosov— Who are these policemen? - asked Herring. - Bandits! - Spikelet said with irritation. - Honestly, bandits! Indeed, the duty of the police is to protect the population from robbers, in reality they only protect the rich. And the rich are the real robbers. They only rob us, hiding behind the laws that they themselves come up with. And what, tell me, is the difference whether they will rob me according to the law or not according to the law? ..................... by the way, the police are the special service ... ...
        Why be surprised. Every joke has some truth. Smile
        The theme of the composition was strange. “If the Germans won?” Vitya P. strained his imagination and creaked with a pen. Alas, it turned out some kind of monstrous unimaginable list of absurdities. This could not have happened in Russia. Why, in the end, it was not the Germans who won.
        1. There will be practically no industry in the country, the occupiers will only be concerned about pumping out natural resources from our territories. 2. Instead of popular militiamen from the people there will be policemen from rabble, there will be a lot of them, and the people will be afraid of them more than bandits. 3. At each exit from the city, police will check those who are planning to leave or arrive. Each resident will be required to register with the police at the place of residence. 4. To maintain fear, wild units from mountain peoples will be created. From time to time they will attack the local population, rob and kill. 5. Rulers will be recruited from especially vile local residents. The children and wives of the rulers will live for safety abroad. And they themselves are replaced here on a rotational basis. 6. All the nobility will ride only in black German cars with sirens. Ordinary people during their journey will need to run away to the sidelines and wait until they pass 7. Fascism will eventually become the most popular teaching from the general hopelessness. Only Russian 8. German goods will be considered the best and most desirable in Russia. 9. President, German will speak much better than Russian. 10. Instead of vodka, they will everywhere advertise and sell beer, as in Germany. 11. Those who fought against the Germans will receive pennies, and on holidays a meager rations. 12. The Russians killed in the war will be buried in common graves, just to be noted as a burial place. 13. Most of the country's male population will go through the camps. To break the will to resist 14. Teachers and doctors in the occupied territories will receive minimum maintenance, only so that the population is reduced and not scotched very quickly. 15. On the far outskirts of Russia, such as Primorye, partisans may survive. They will attack the police, but the intimidated population will not help them. 16. Roads will not be built, and gasoline will be made more expensive so that people sit at home. 17. Arms to the people will be strictly forbidden to have, so that they don’t suddenly rebel. 18. For life, the population will insist on cheap barracks with low ceilings, 8 meters per person. 19. The most quick and smart ones will be given the opportunity to leave and live abroad, this will be considered a great success in life. 20. America will be declared the main enemy of Russia. ”
        Vera Pavlovna pondered the assessment for a long time. And set 3 for a good fantasy.
        Many things in the internal politics of our ally make one think that not all of you "have gut".
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 October 2013 09: 41
      16
      Quote: ..
      The restriction of this right is allowed only on the basis of a court decision.


      I will pay with emotion now. Yes, even employers look through corporate mail daily and listen to employee conversations. By state I’m not going to structure, a no brainer
    3. sancho
      sancho 22 October 2013 10: 09
      +8
      Citizens! Not as serene as it may seem to some -

      Quote: bars280
      People without special services spread all the info about themselves in social services. networks. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to worry about. What a panic ????


      In our world of total communications, a person will soon be sorry to go to the toilet under control, sleep with his wife or not with his wife will also be under control. I wonder which of you will like it? This topic can be developed endlessly. As an example, it’s already possible for anyone to track another person on a mobile phone. There is such a public service on the networks. What to say about the security forces? As correctly noted, they have been performing such a function for a long time. Only, not legally, but promptly. And, the use of information obtained must be legalized through the courts. And, if legislators now adopt such a norm, then it will be complete chaos !!
      It’s the same that they will slip a drug during your arrest. So here it will be, it is possible to fabricate such material for one or two, and bury any below the baseboard.
      Who is ready for this? Even if he is a law-abiding citizen? Lord, do not bring such a citizen a rumor to say something bad in the direction of the official ... tomorrow you can already be accused of preparing a terrorist attack, or inciting ethnic disruption, etc. etc. How do you like it?

      There is a good film made by the Yusami, they are good fellows, as always they merge the plans of the masons in the cinema. It is called "Time", filmed in 2011. Look, in principle, this is the way where you can come.
      1. SPLV
        SPLV 23 October 2013 09: 57
        0
        Why are these arguments? Maybe suggest to go further? Let's also cancel passports - they allow you to track you. And in order not to listen to the phone and not track it on the network, it is enough just to stop using the phone and the computer, you do not need to ride the subway - there are cameras. The best way out is to travel on foot and only at night, to live - only where there is no electricity, so as not to put "bugs". Let's live in caves and trees!
        If you are not ready for this, then you must understand that technological progress is a complex, multifaceted, ambiguous thing. And absolute liberalism in relation to individual freedom is an absolutely infantile and antisocial phenomenon. Freedom is the existence of both rights and obligations. And if you are ready to fight for your rights, then be prepared to fulfill your duty as well. If you are given the opportunity to communicate, then be prepared to prove your loyalty to the authorities. This is better than personally bringing your letters.
        Moreover, are you sure that we are not currently at war? Economic and social for your future?
        1. Beck
          Beck 23 October 2013 11: 27
          0
          Quote: SPLV
          Freedom is the existence of both rights and obligations.


          TO BECOME ABSOLUTELY FREE - NECESSARY TO BECOME SLAVE OF LAW.

          Mark Thulius Cicero.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 22 October 2013 14: 42
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Everyone has the right to confidentiality of correspondence, telephone conversations, postal, telegraph and other communications. Restriction of this right is allowed only on the basis of a court decision.
      Let first change the article of the Constitution .. And then somehow it turns out badly.


      Tipun to your tongue. After all, they will change ...
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  2. Denis
    Denis 22 October 2013 07: 50
    33
    Well, what's the noise? It’s clear that they’re listening, don’t talk. Let those who fear it howl. My agreements on going to the left or drinking under the guise of overtime can only be of interest to the family special service, since they don’t have such opportunities
    There is an exit:
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 22 October 2013 08: 59
      +8
      Denis
      Let those who fear this howl.


      All this is true, but the words do not go out of my head I don’t remember which U.S. president:

      "A society that sacrifices freedom for the sake of security is not worthy of either!"
      1. skeptic-
        skeptic- 22 October 2013 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: SHILO
        Denis
        Let those who fear this howl.

        All this is true, but the words do not go out of my head I don’t remember which U.S. president:

        "A society that sacrifices freedom for the sake of security is not worthy of either one or the other!"


        Even if you kill me, I don’t understand the loss of my freedom from the fact that the special services will listen to my conversations by phone or correspondence on the Internet. But, as a means of communication for enemies of different colors, a priori, they will create certain problems, for the time being, for the time being.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 10: 43
          0
          Quote: skeptic
          Even if you kill me, I don’t understand the loss of my freedom from the fact that the special services will listen to my conversations by phone or correspondence on the Internet.

          What a cynic you are too optimistic ... laughing
          1. skeptic
            skeptic 22 October 2013 14: 08
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            What a cynic you are too optimistic ... laughing


            In order to Poke - vodka was not drunk together at brotherhood. And you just do not want to waggle your tongue about what you cannot answer for. Therefore, there will be nothing to be afraid of. Public networks have never been and never will be. The rest is from the evil one. Yes, I am a supporter of greater control in order to reduce the field of activity for the information gnat, which breeds dirt from under the tishka, in the confidence that no one will call him to account. Including from other ill-wishers of the Russian state, using modern means of communication to the detriment of our security. Naturally, if you made a request for a meeting at a "raspberry" or a "scammer", and the Ministry of Internal Affairs slapped you, then I "sympathize" that not all at once.
          2. Stiletto
            Stiletto 22 October 2013 14: 44
            14
            A son came to me, daredevil,
            And he asked with longing:
            "Classmates, father - What is it?
            What kind of site is this,
            Where are the gray people
            On real waving
            Drowning in fornication?
            Where the path is visible to cheating,
            The goal is clear, and the means
            Where do you want to return yourself to Brezhnev’s childhood?
            Where is their peace disturbed?
            Where do they spend nights?
            What kind of site is this - Explain to me, father? "
            I drew my son to me
            And he said longingly:
            "FSB Database - This is what we are" bully
        2. Beck
          Beck 22 October 2013 19: 48
          +1
          Quote: skeptic
          Even if you kill me, I don’t understand the loss of my freedom from the fact that the special services will listen to my conversations by phone or correspondence on the Internet.


          Right. I already wrote on the subject of Snowden.

          Intelligence is intelligence, of any country, even the United States, even Russia, even Barbados. And even recently, in connection with Snowden, they attacked the CIA and the NSA, portrayed indignation, although they were engaged in their professional activities.

          So the Russian special services are engaged in similar activities and this is justified. It is better to know in advance and warn than to dismantle blockages from explosions.

          And such an eavesdropping will bring no harm or benefit to the vast majority of people. If a you you do not plan ter.act, if you do not want what is forbidden by society, then the special services do not need YOU in FIG and nevermind them. Why and why their interest is a pimple on someone's ass or constipation. This pimple can only worry a wife, not just a neighbor.

          But if the special services miss the training and the explosion of the metro station, it will be bad for many, it will be bad for those with acne who angrily condemned the wiretap for the sake of the freedom of their acne.
      2. Denis
        Denis 22 October 2013 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: SHILO
        U.S. General President
        Prezik to me this is not credibility, as his шvabody and society. Yes, and I have nothing to fear
        Do you have such teachers now?
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 22 October 2013 19: 51
          +2
          Denis
          Do you have such teachers now?


          I have read Denis and "Mein Kampf" and this does not mean that the author is my teacher. stop
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 October 2013 10: 24
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      Well, what's the noise? It’s clear that they’re listening, don’t talk. Let those who fear it howl. My agreements on going to the left or drinking under the guise of overtime can only be of interest to the family special service, since they don’t have such opportunities


      It seems so to you. There is always a well-wisher in the circle of your drinking companions.
      1. Denis
        Denis 22 October 2013 11: 59
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        There is always a well-wisher in the circle of your drinking companions
        And what's interesting to the special services?
    3. bif
      bif 22 October 2013 10: 47
      +1
      They have been following it for a long time and successfully and everyone knows about it. Now we decided to legalize this activity. The most important thing is what this information will be used for ... to capture terrorists and various criminals or as in the states they sold bases to banks and others to non-state structures, used for personal purposes, and the effectiveness of the targeted use is close to zero. Time will tell. I would like to prevent the transfer of data to foreign intelligence services from all sorts of Google, Yablokov and Microsoft. Let yours be watched. Ps Recently a neighbor got a car number, put everything as usual on a certain number and get it back .. I got in touch with the structures, and they told him that the request from the operator has been going on for several days and only in retrospect ... I didn’t pay and I changed the numbers. Maybe something new will change.
      1. bif
        bif 22 October 2013 11: 09
        0
        "Najadi & Partners has placed its main website on the Russian domain
        As the publications report, the influential investment company Najadi & Partners, based in Malaysia, announced today its intention to transfer all its servers under the jurisdiction of Russia, as well as to place the main domain name in the .ru zone. "Http: //www.profi- forex.org/novosti-rossii/entry1008182894.html
        They obviously know something.
      2. Denis
        Denis 22 October 2013 12: 02
        0
        Quote: bif
        Maybe something new will change
        Already changed without special services. From October 1, change the numbers in any, not just your, MREO as two fingers on asphalt
    4. Gari
      Gari 22 October 2013 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      My agreements on going to the left or drinking under the guise of overtime can only be of interest to the family special service, since they don’t have such opportunities

      ++++++ Bravo and totally agree.
    5. Orik
      Orik 22 October 2013 12: 12
      +2
      There is, the question of price, sooo expensive. My friend, who had suspicions about the spouse’s honor, was put out all her negotiations, movements, taught how to properly talk with her so that she confessed. The truth itself was then not happy, the philosophical question is what is better to know or not.
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 22 October 2013 17: 55
        +2
        Quote: Orik
        philosophical question what is better to know or not

        Long ago, when a call from a pay phone cost 2 kopecks, I talked with one, as I now understand, a wise man. He said: "I live by the principle of" two cents ": when I return home after hours - in the afternoon or from a business trip - I definitely call my wife and warn that I will be there soon."
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 22 October 2013 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: Orik
        The truth itself was then not happy, a philosophical question what is better to know or not.

        Stopudovo!
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 October 2013 07: 51
    10
    The fact that the secret services of any state are trying to gain access to information (as wide as possible) is not a secret to anyone.After all, who owns the information, that owns the world.is an axiom of the modern world, and ...
    And "listening" and "watching" all conversations and recordings is unrealistic, they will rather put "flags" on certain phrases and words. hi
    1. Gato
      Gato 22 October 2013 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      And "listening" and "watching" all conversations and recordings is unrealistic, they will rather put "flags" on certain phrases and words.

      Not only is it unrealistic, but it will also require completely unrealistic computing power. In addition, no one bothers users to use encryption and hiding data in an array of all kinds of garbage (there are a lot of applications for this on the Web). In this case, key phrases and words for total control generally lose all meaning.
  4. bars280
    bars280 22 October 2013 07: 51
    +6
    People without special services spread all the info about themselves in social services. networks. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to worry about. What a panic ????
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 22 October 2013 08: 01
      12
      Under this order, additional funding + additional staff is already being knocked out. In other words, the budget will be cut even more ...
      1. skeptic-
        skeptic- 22 October 2013 10: 11
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        Under this order, additional funding + additional staff is already being knocked out. In other words, the budget will be cut even more ...


        Believe it or not, any form of a new type of activity requires certain financial investments. Especially on a state scale.

        It is possible that a bus explosion in Volgograd could have been prevented if terrorist negotiations had been intercepted earlier.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 10: 47
          +3
          Quote: skeptic
          It is possible that a bus explosion in Volgograd could have been prevented if terrorist negotiations had been intercepted earlier.

          Do you seriously think that people going to self-disrupt do not know about a possible wiretap?
        2. Vladimir.z.
          Vladimir.z. 22 October 2013 11: 04
          +4
          Quote: skeptic


          It is possible that a bus explosion in Volgograd could have been prevented if terrorist negotiations had been intercepted earlier.


          I doubt that the negotiations were open text, especially since the broadcast has been filtering for many years by certain words and phrases ... And it could have been prevented if the operas would sit less in their offices, and work more in the "field" ... and the contingent of current operas - for the most part, these are "sons" and "close relatives" recruited for a good salary ...
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 22 October 2013 09: 54
      +2
      Quote: bars280
      ... Law-abiding citizens have nothing to worry about. What a panic ???? ...

      All the more so, it’s too late to rush about, the jin from the jug has long been released, so there’s nothing to be done. Now, I am 100 percent convinced. and so everyone already "listens"
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 October 2013 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: bars280
      People without special services spread all the info about themselves in social services. networks.


      And who are these social. networks are created? Classmates whose project did not think of it?
      1. Gato
        Gato 22 October 2013 10: 28
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        And who are these social. networks are created? Classmates whose project did not think of it?

        And who makes people spread info about themselves?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 10: 52
          +4
          Quote: Gato
          And who makes people spread info about themselves?

          And what makes a donkey go for a bunch of grass tied to a stick? The idea of ​​social networks lies in this, so that people themselves lay out everything about themselves. The dream of any opera.
          1. Starfish
            Starfish 22 October 2013 11: 27
            +5
            The dream of any opera.

            my wife had a debt to the bank, so the bank employee posted an ad on her page in the forum right in her classmates: "help, how can you, to pay the debt." so not only is the opera a dream, but also the dream of bankers, bailiffs and advertisers
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 11: 34
              +3
              Quote: Starfish
              but also the dream of the bankers,

              I missed this moment. drinks
            2. does it
              does it 22 October 2013 20: 11
              0
              Quote: Starfish
              my wife had a debt to the bank, so the bank employee posted an ad on her page in the forum right in her classmates: "help, how can you, to pay the debt." so not only is the opera a dream, but also the dream of bankers, bailiffs and advertisers

              I remember with me in the store a woman took a loan, so she was banned. The worker said cheerfully; we have all the data about you! We ask you to check.
        2. Denis
          Denis 22 October 2013 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: Gato
          And who makes people spread info about themselves?
          The same who talk-stupidity
          Forget the smart saying:how much you say, so much will
  5. Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 22 October 2013 07: 57
    11
    ".... there will be more business than security ..."

    In our business bodies, so to speak, more and more - and this is very bad ...
  6. shaitan
    shaitan 22 October 2013 08: 02
    +4
    Not surprised. He believed that this article was ignored by the authorities at least under Felix.
  7. svp67
    svp67 22 October 2013 08: 08
    +6
    Infectious Snowden: Russian intelligence agencies are trying to gain access to personal data of users
    Yes, because they work the same everywhere, what is surprising?
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 October 2013 08: 19
      0
      And for me, so be it. If violation of this clause of the constitution will help save human lives by preventing a terrorist attack, if the leak of military secrets is stopped. There is nothing to hide a law-abiding citizen.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 22 October 2013 09: 05
        +8
        Quote: a52333
        There is nothing to hide a law-abiding citizen.


        Sorry, but there is such a thing as personal life. Figuratively speaking, I personally have no desire for someone to do in my house in my absence about what the exorbitant commander does, checking the order in the bedside tables of his subordinates, familiarizing himself with the contents of the letters lying there and looking at the personal photos with a smirk.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 11: 04
        +3
        Quote: a52333
        There is nothing to hide a law-abiding citizen.

        And if the power is greyhound? Should laws be passed that violate the majority opinion? In this situation, law-abiding is akin to the forced silence of a slave. I have already said that people planning a terrorist attack will not talk about it over the phone, and they won’t discuss it in social networks. The law is aimed only at preserving power without allowing possible unrest and revolution. Totalitarianism, his mother like that.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 22 October 2013 11: 19
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          . I have already said that people planning a terrorist attack will not talk about it on the phone, and I won’t discuss it in social networks


          Why, the first thing that comes to mind is that, replacing the words from the terrorist’s lexicon with neutral words, they will talk on the phone and in social networks discussing a future attack under the guise of discussing the layout of flower girls, flower beds, front gardens, etc., pestles- stamens, peat superphosphate and other root systems and buds.
          About this, of course, all these laws will be ineffective, and if they are promoted (laws), then they pursue other goals that have nothing to do with the fight against terrorism.
  8. Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 22 October 2013 08: 21
    +2
    Quote: Denis
    Well, what's the noise? It’s clear that they are listening, so don’t talk.


    Right. And not everyone is listening. And they choose. Unreliable and suspicious. So it's okay. I'm not even "worried" about this.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: Soviet_Union
      Quote: Denis
      Well, what's the noise? It’s clear that they are listening, so don’t talk.


      Right. And not everyone is listening. And they choose. Unreliable and suspicious. So it's okay. I'm not even "worried" about this.


      Something similar we have already heard from the so-called. ordinary american, after the memorable staging show on September 11 (WTC) performed by Amer special services, when the possibility of control over ordinary citizens to the detriment of their rights from the local gemsovbonds increased quite significantly.
  9. The gentleman
    The gentleman 22 October 2013 08: 21
    +3
    article was aimed in some way as a sensation ??? or to raise a riot among Internet users? gentlemen, the special services have always worked, always had access to any information. but! There is still a difference from the American special services. after all, a commando will not come to you who will shoot indiscriminately because they heard the word Obama in a telephone conversation. Moreover, even considering that the Constitution is the basic law, the whole concept of information and freedom of information cannot be defined and described.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 11: 10
      +2
      Quote: Gentleman
      there is a difference from the American special services. because the commando will not come to you, who will shoot indiscriminately, because they heard the word Obama in a telephone conversation


      laughing Hmm, you can even go outside, take in air full of lungs and yell that there are forces of disgust and threat to the coal from the white house, and no one will say a word to you.
      1. The gentleman
        The gentleman 22 October 2013 16: 19
        0
        Quote: Hudo
        Quote: Gentleman
        there is a difference from the American special services. because the commando will not come to you, who will shoot indiscriminately, because they heard the word Obama in a telephone conversation


        laughing Hmm, you can even go outside, take in air full of lungs and yell that there are forces of disgust and threat to the coal from the white house, and no one will say a word to you.

        let me disagree, even if you shout out slogans, sooner or later you will be suspected of something. despite the fact that you will not be considered a suspect, you will become a prisoner
  10. GUSAR
    GUSAR 22 October 2013 08: 22
    +8
    Why then all this circus "Freedom to Comrade Snowden" was?
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 22 October 2013 14: 28
      +1
      Well, so that you indignant at the wiretap of the president of Mexico or Bolivia. The first channel considers these topics extremely important for the ordinary citizen.
  11. saag
    saag 22 October 2013 08: 29
    +1
    We expect a private Internet, something like i2p, but only somehow bypassing the provider :-)
  12. Aubert
    Aubert 22 October 2013 08: 48
    +4
    Competent authorities anyway already have: "access to IP addresses, mobile numbers, e-mail addresses in any postal services with which users work today, user data of Skype, ICQ, Google Talk, etc."
    Only now they decided to draw up at the legislative level.
  13. major071
    major071 22 October 2013 08: 50
    +6
    Yes, they listened before, and will continue to listen. There is something to hide - so do not upload your data to the Internet, and do not rush on dubious sites.
    If it helps to fight terrorism, etc. let them listen. IMHO. hi
    Now those who will be minus will be put on wiretap. laughing
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 22 October 2013 09: 26
      +3
      Quote: major071
      Now those who will be minus will be put on wiretap.

      And if at first he minus, and then, after thinking, he plus: then what? what
      1. major071
        major071 22 October 2013 09: 29
        +8
        Well, probably you need to publicly repent? laughing
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 22 October 2013 09: 35
          -1
          Quote: major071
          Well, probably you need to publicly repent?

          Well, this is understandable ... And what about the wiretap? repeat
          1. major071
            major071 22 October 2013 09: 46
            +8
            Pretend to be a fool and carry complete nonsense. You look and turn it off when you get tired of listening. wassat
    2. loisop
      loisop 22 October 2013 09: 31
      +5
      Quote: major071
      Now those who will be minus will be put on wiretap.

      Comrade Major Your joke liked ©
      wink
      1. major071
        major071 22 October 2013 09: 54
        +4
        Hello land. Orchanin?
        1. loisop
          loisop 22 October 2013 10: 14
          0
          yes
          with Vasnetsov

          // also namesake wink
          1. loisop
            loisop 22 October 2013 10: 30
            +3
            LTD!! recourse why did I say that ?! Now the evil special services will read and find me! AAA !!! Save!
            1. major071
              major071 22 October 2013 15: 25
              +5
              Immediately turn off the computer, turn off everything electric, lock all the windows, doors and the bed under the covers with your head. Maybe they won’t find it. laughing
              I'm with OZTP. hi
              1. poquello
                poquello 22 October 2013 20: 07
                +3
                Quote: major071
                Immediately turn off the computer, turn off everything electric, lock all the windows, doors and the bed under the covers with your head. Maybe they won’t find it. laughing
                I'm with OZTP. hi

                An amateur, they forgot to tell them to wrap their heads with foil.
                1. loisop
                  loisop 22 October 2013 21: 59
                  +1
                  Uh ... Let me ... Well, it’s only from the ancient secret knapsack emitters KJB helps! And even then not everyone. And then there is the triumph of reason over sarsaparilla. High technology, you need to understand!
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 22 October 2013 22: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: loisop
                    Uh ... Let me ... Well, it’s only from the ancient secret knapsack emitters KJB helps! And even then not everyone. And then there is the triumph of reason over sarsaparilla. High technology, you need to understand!

                    +))))
  14. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 22 October 2013 08: 51
    +8
    Quote: Now the very 23rd (item 2) article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
    Everyone has the right to confidentiality of correspondence, telephone conversations, postal, telegraph and other communications. Restriction of this right is allowed only on the basis of a court decision.
    The key phrase here is “based on a court decision”. If the mentioned document (order of the Ministry of Communications and Mass Media, agreed with the FSB) passes through the Ministry of Justice, then it turns out that the special services do not need appeals to the court - everything will be done promptly.

    Funny, right word. Yes, special services are the same all over the world. If they need to stuff someone’s apartment / office with microphones and take the person under the hood, they will do it first, and therefore they will issue a court decision retroactively. I emphasize that neither the FSB nor Russia are ever original here. If anything puzzles me in relation to Russian reality, somehow these publications really fit well in time with Biryulyovo and the bus explosion in Volgograd. Another autumn swing of the boat?
  15. atomic
    atomic 22 October 2013 08: 51
    +5
    Now Edik Snowden will teach our specialists how to track people in America.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 09: 09
      +2
      Quote: atomic
      Now Edik Snowden will teach our specialists how to track people in America.


      Then it turns out that Snowden’s choice of country of residence was, in fact, a consideration of business offers from potential employers.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 22 October 2013 09: 48
      +3
      Quote: atomic
      Now Edik Snowden will teach our specialists how to track people in America.

      Already taught, the fact is there.
  16. loisop
    loisop 22 October 2013 09: 20
    +2
    Personally, I’m so generally for letting the Internet only with an electronic passport (it is possible on the basis of a system such as public services.ru), together with a civil passport, give out a login, pass-through for runet. Moreover, there are already attempts - numerous sites ALREADY offer authorization using accounts on Facebook, mail, classmates, OpenID, etc. It is only necessary to logically complete the trend. With the support of the state.
    Without a passport - the "read-only" mode of a few resources, predominantly of encyclopedic orientation. And that divorced shkoloty, trolls and idiots beyond measure. Any more or less intelligible resource with these categories gets dirty pretty quickly.
    1. pl675
      pl675 22 October 2013 20: 22
      0
      watchman syndrome.
      imkhu of course.
      I am for a ban prohibiting.
      1. loisop
        loisop 22 October 2013 22: 16
        0
        The question is not in prohibitions. The issue is control and responsibility.
        Access control of youngsters to resources with "all sorts of bad excesses" ©.
        And responsibility for their activities (words). And then there are a lot of Internet warriors, for example such:


        By the way, how, in fact, the idea of ​​end-to-end authorization in RuNet was transformed into some kind of mythical prohibitions?
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        4. pl675
          pl675 22 October 2013 22: 51
          +1
          I will answer an extreme question -
          in any way.
          further - at birth, give him a tattoo on his forehead and a chip under his rib - so to be sure.

          normal parents, it is not difficult to control their child online - visited sites, time, kamenty, etc.
          Internet warriors, this is genetic trash that is simply not worth paying attention to.
  17. pensioner
    pensioner 22 October 2013 09: 24
    +2
    According to this project, by July 1, 2014, Russian Internet providers will have to install special equipment that will allow special services to get direct access to user activities.
    Fighting penetration into personal life against special services is meaningless. Because it is useless. You have to put up with this. And in light of the recent events in Volgograd, it is quite possible that the proposed measures will help the special services in their fight against terrorism. For our country this is a real threat. Unlike the Americans. As the youth says IMHO.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 22 October 2013 10: 00
      +7
      Naive ...
      Terrorism is simply IMPOSSIBLE for citizens ...
      Because the organization of the murder of a large number of People requires special knowledge, skills and abilities (that is, training))
      Recall the failed terrorist attack in Ryazan, there vigilant citizens caught committee members (special services)) when trying to blow up a house according to the scheme of explosions on Kashirsky highway, Volgodonsk, Buinaksk ????
      ! September 11 - I think there are NO naive among us ??? to think that camel drivers came to the Big Apple, LEARNED TO BE PILOTS (this touches me the most)))) seized several planes at the same time !!!! and with shouts of "Akbar" they crashed into buildings, having previously thrown out passports from the planes and the planes even with wingtips interrupted the thick structures of the building's structural frame ...

      Naive ...
      Now we look at the passport of a terrorist who blew up a bus in Volgograd
      we write that we see a suspicious ....
      I will cut my hair and read komenty))))))
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 22 October 2013 11: 34
        +1
        Now we look at the passport of a terrorist who blew up a bus in Volgograd
        we write that we see a suspicious ....
        I will cut my hair and read komenty))))))

        Is the last name printed? for it is evident that the indentation is different for the surname with the name patronymic. what else?
      2. Cpa
        Cpa 22 October 2013 11: 51
        +1
        Vladimir, where is the photo from? Obviously not in size, and in the hijab laughing
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 22 October 2013 13: 20
          +1
          Well done, still see the nuances?
          1. Z.A.M.
            Z.A.M. 22 October 2013 13: 53
            +4
            Asgard
            Vladimir, welcome.
            The first comment is just a bullseye! hi
            Quote: Asgard
            there are 31 articles of Const.RF-it directly cancels the Law on Rallies ..... a number of provisions of the Constitution about subsoil, education and healthcare are fiction. and so on and so on ... the state is estranged from society and the LAWS of them invented ...

            In support of this, Putin is signing a law on the responsibility of regional (!!!) leaders under interethnic EVERYTHING. Well done. He is against the visa regime, and every, for 12 years, contributed to this frenzied "erosion" of Russianness in Russia. And all his reign, shoves himself and the state - all responsibility. And he is all in white ...
            Quote: Asgard
            And right now, uncleanness in the Kremlin
            and how long...

            And according to the passport ... I was confused by the spots. The page, like a laminated one, I have for sure. And what is there in Dagestan? .. Okay, at least there are no mistakes. Although now it is not necessary to be surprised ... I have long noticed that money (notes) are different. Dimensions, pattern shifting, edges ...
            Because, not the STATE, but JSC "OUTSOURCING". Sad ...
    2. poquello
      poquello 22 October 2013 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: retired
      As the youth says IMHO.

      Oktsya grandfather term for thirty years already.
  18. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 October 2013 09: 28
    +2
    Big brother is always watching you. In principle, to control a person is one of the tasks of the Internet. Not a vowel, of course.
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  20. Draz
    Draz 22 October 2013 09: 46
    +1
    And it became interesting to me. I went to the website of the Ministry of Communications and Telecommunications and did not find a single mention there either that was about this law but generally a hint of the installation of such equipment.

    COMRADE! It seems to me that someone is trying to separate us again.
    1. Gato
      Gato 22 October 2013 10: 32
      +3
      Quote: Draz
      COMRADE! It seems to me that someone is trying to separate us again.

      No, everything is fair. The draft document was indeed posted on the site, but then it was quickly removed.
  21. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 22 October 2013 09: 55
    +1
    The Americans have long entangled the whole world with their Echelon, but we have just started to itch, but not so much you need to keep an eye on your own, but rather your "partners" so as not to screw up everyone, the Americans on the fifth day were caught listening to the French leadership and nothing.
  22. Averias
    Averias 22 October 2013 10: 05
    +5
    I will not speak FOR or AGAIN. It makes no sense. I want to remember the times of the USSR. To be more precise, the system is located on ANALOGUE exchanges, a system that allows you to work on keywords and phrases in automatic mode (she also has a name, this is a female name, I forgot it). Well, what kind of constitution can be discussed. Yes, and you might think, special staff before this and not only did not listen to us. Digital age, gives a card in hand. Again, I want to remind you - the Social Network project, this is a British military project. See what and how, the result exceeded the wildest expectations. There should also be taken into account the factor of human idiocy. This is me about the many users of social networks. For the sake of the coveted Like, we are ready to put on their pages all the ins and outs about themselves and relatives and friends. So what am I sorry about?
    1. Evgenx
      Evgenx 22 October 2013 12: 59
      +3
      I completely agree with you! As in the good old days of the Union, the system for working on keywords and phrases LEFT !!! Take my word for it. I know what I'm talking about. The rapid development of mobile communications and the Internet makes it possible not only how to know from which phone they called, but also where the subscriber is, from where he went to the Internet, etc. If you figure it out, it’s right! They are special services and in "Africa" ​​special services are on the experience of a quiet life of the country's citizens. But the "wiretapping" of a specific phone, this is already on the order of the prosecutor! At the expense of Snowten: gentlemen amerekosy listened to the representatives of other states !!! And this is a completely different conversation!
      1. Averias
        Averias 22 October 2013 14: 10
        0
        Add: The satellite tracking system that tracks the chip that is on the bank card also works just fine. At one time, in the United States, there was a whole scandal. When a former employee of some kind of services there, spoke about this. People in the USA categorically did not want to switch to cards with chips (they demanded that the magnetic ones remain). But under the idea of ​​protecting users' money, it has been implemented. Now all over the world.
        And here is such a fact. On a mobile phone, even when turned off, you can make a call (for certain technical capabilities). And according to unverified data, a call can also be made to a telephone that has a battery removed (with a narrowly directed signal from the satellite). True, I do not quite imagine what will happen to the subscriber. A friend told how in the army (a signalman), they threw a cat into the active zone of the satellite dish of a cat, at the time of installation, the cat landed a bald corpse. I can not vouch for reliability, although it is not difficult to imagine, unless of course the signal was narrowly directed.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 22 October 2013 15: 44
          +3
          Profanation of a sacred tradition ... Radars often do so - they tie a cat in front of the bell of a waveguide, throwing radiation on a radar plate. 13 PRV charred the cat pretty quickly. Usually this has to be done when the mental abilities of the replenishment cause doubts among the officers. With a fool will begin to hang out in the lower alignment of a working antenna ... who likes to write a funeral?
    2. poquello
      poquello 22 October 2013 20: 30
      +2
      + and also she hissed
  23. rudolff
    rudolff 22 October 2013 10: 17
    +4
    Everything is relative. Take an interest in the rules of the provision of Internet services in Belarus. All providers are required to record information about subscriber devices, identify users, Internet access time, names of visited resources, sites, etc. When visiting an Internet cafe, a computer club, the administration is obliged to identify the visitor’s identity by passport, put in a special journal the name, patronymic, last name, type and number of the document, the name of the authority issuing it, the time of going to the Internet, the duration, the name of the sites visited. Starting this year, it is possible to use alternative methods of identifying users using the technical means of photo, video or other software and hardware methods. Providers, administrations of Internet clubs are required to store all information for at least one year and immediately provide it to authorized bodies upon request. No court decisions, sanctions of the prosecutor or investigator are required for this. Total control. The Russian version can be called very soft and almost harmless in comparison with the Belarusian one.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 22 October 2013 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      Take an interest in the rules of the provision of Internet services in Belarus. ... No court decisions, sanctions of the prosecutor or investigator are required for this. Total control.

      Well, you compared, the fascist regime, by the way, is also very contagious.
  24. teleset
    teleset 22 October 2013 10: 22
    +2
    I think special services and so all that needs to be tapped. And the release of such information is just an excuse for white-tape artists to go outside and say that Putin is to blame for everything.
  25. Gato
    Gato 22 October 2013 10: 31
    +2
    As a result, it turned out that large players survived on the market, and they connected to SORM. This is, first, the question of fair competition, and only then of such lofty matters as the Constitution, “human rights,” fifth and tenth ...

    Perhaps this is all the salt. Whatever is said - it is always about money.
  26. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 22 October 2013 10: 42
    +8
    I am not afraid that the FSB will spy on me. But I am sure that this surveillance system will not have a positive effect in the fight against crime. Drug trafficking will not decrease, illegal immigration will not decrease, crimes in the government and in business will also not decrease.
  27. sergey1972
    sergey1972 22 October 2013 10: 48
    +4
    for especially "smart" and crystal "honest" I advise you to read the book by George Orwell "1984" - it's fantastic, but as you know, everything that seemed fantastic earlier becomes reality. As we all already know from Comrade Snowden, the system total control was used in personal interests from commonplace households to business, etc.
  28. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 22 October 2013 10: 51
    0
    Quote: Denis
    Well, what's the noise? It’s clear that they’re listening, don’t talk. Let those who fear it howl. My agreements on going to the left or drinking under the guise of overtime can only be of interest to the family special service, since they don’t have such opportunities
    There is an exit:

    He correctly said that they’re listening to me, they’re reading the mail, and God bless them if they have nothing to do. And for me on the drum, and the rest is described at the top.
  29. ed65b
    ed65b 22 October 2013 10: 54
    +5
    Yes, everything is fine with them. In social networks, users post a complete dossier on themselves; in Kemerovo, bailiffs have long been catching debtors in social networks for social services there, both on the Canaries and with the car and under the car. In general, the clamshell is complete. Get out of social networks will live calmer.
  30. na76
    na76 22 October 2013 11: 13
    +6
    Personally, my opinion
    The problem is not that someone will listen to and read my conversations and correspondence, the problem is that there is such a Main Law, which is called the Constitution, which says that it should be done in such a low way.
    Let it be written in it that the citizens of Russia do not have the right to privacy of correspondence, etc., let it be written that oil and other wealth of our bowels are the property of the president and his homies, let them write a lot more ...
  31. VladimS
    VladimS 22 October 2013 11: 14
    +1
    Yes, everything is fine with them. In social networks, users post a complete dossier on themselves; in Kemerovo, bailiffs have long been catching debtors in social networks for social services there, both on the Canaries and with the car and under the car. In general, the clamshell is complete. Get out of social networks will live calmer


    People! Come to your senses. Everything has long been tracked, if necessary. All traffic to a specific person. Late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off.
    Normal ordinary citizens will not touch this sideways.
    And apparently there is something to be afraid of every swamp riffraff.
    So they raised the universal howl !!
    This is a common practice throughout the world. The world is getting complicated. Too much negativity has accumulated in him.
    To delay or have such an opportunity, sometimes just necessary for normal functioning
    public services. And not only power.
    And do not say that you did not know this.
  32. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 October 2013 11: 16
    +1
    Almost the topic: the French won the merikatos again, digging billions of wiretaps again. First, at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (a very Frenchman was dissatisfied), now at the level of presidents they are globalizing, as they now, the meriticos, be with their allies.
  33. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 October 2013 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: ed65b
    Get out of social networks will live calmer.

    Golden words!

    Quote: sancho
    It’s the same that they will slip a drug during your arrest. So here it will be, it is possible to fabricate such material for one or two, and bury any below the baseboard.

    And here I agree. Abuses will certainly be. As elsewhere with us.
  34. poccinin
    poccinin 22 October 2013 12: 17
    -3
    - "fabricate" to bury below the plinth "God, what a hysteria. A normal adequate person has nothing to fear. And if you are afraid, throw the computer from the balcony and the phones of the family, throw it in the trash. And the TV too (what if you find prohibited channels)
  35. Damascus
    Damascus 22 October 2013 12: 18
    +2
    Quote: skeptic

    Even if you kill me, I don’t understand the loss of my freedom from the fact that the special services will listen to my conversations by phone or correspondence on the Internet. But, as a means of communication for enemies of different colors, a priori, they will create certain problems, for the time being, for the time being.


    The problem is that no one is perfect and people succumb to temptations.
    Not if people who have access to this kind of information are 100% moralists who honor the law and the rights of others, then I am not opposed, but it doesn’t. People are gray by nature, some are whiter, some are blacker. Everyone has weaknesses.
    For this, the court was in this chain.

    Nobody needs your negotiations, but some businessman it will be very interesting
    find out what the other chatters businessman.

    Quote: skeptic

    It is possible that a bus explosion in Volgograd could have been prevented if terrorist negotiations had been intercepted earlier.

    Even using open communication channels, you can use very simple means to encrypt a message so that while you decrypt it it will become irrelevant, in the case of terrorist attacks, this solves everything.

    The special service should not solve issues in an emergency mode, if so, then someone has not finalized.
    1. loisop
      loisop 22 October 2013 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: Damask
      some businessman will be very interested to know what another businessman is talking about


      To avoid this, some businessmen, in order to "chat" about business, a couple of thousand years ago, came up with personal meetings. laughing Which is practiced to this day.
      "This is a non-telephone conversation" is a very common phrase. And not only among businessmen.
  36. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 22 October 2013 12: 42
    +7
    So you look, soon it will be possible to buy on the pink top and the FSB database of Internet users of the Russian Federation laughing We will know all about each other comrades. But seriously, it’s possible to catch bandits and terrorists on the Internet only if they are clinical: the simplest replacement of keywords (explode kill, etc.) with sell is to buy and the whole system is in the ass, I think that criminals have not communicate in clear text on the Internet and mobile communications. From this we can conclude that the control will be political and thinking people will follow, because nobody is interested in the stupid herd and the government is completely satisfied, but the government cannot miss the creation of a powerful and not purchased popular opposition, and where the emergence of a real popular opposition is most likely - right on the internet. So everything is done by the authorities for their own sake, and not for the safety of the people.
    1. loisop
      loisop 22 October 2013 13: 05
      +3
      About humpback - very likely.
      In addition, take an interest in the forced implementation of electronic passports from 2015. That's where the field is not plowed!
      The conclusion that control is primarily political is also true (not particularly hidden, however).
      Rђ RІRѕS,
      Quote: Russkiy_Prapor
      where the emergence of a real popular opposition is most likely - right on the Internet

      very dubious thesis. The Bolsheviks, by the way, in the period 1905-1917 managed without the Internet.
      Genesis opposition happens anywhere but on the internet. But as a means of communication, yes, it is ideal. Only now, personal meetings in "interest clubs" have not been canceled. Nobody bothers the opposition to organize (and even officially register) a macrame weaving circle, for example. With regional offices. laughing
      Or the military sports section. Or even a "patriotic movement for world peace."
      Where and discuss their pressing issues.
      And the Internet / phone - for coordination, no more.
      No need to demonize technology.
      1. Russkiy_Prapor
        Russkiy_Prapor 22 October 2013 13: 12
        +1
        So far, everyone is surfing the Internet and notifying each other about promotions on the Internet and mobile communications. The time of the secret evening has passed - people are too lazy to tear their ass from chairs and sofas.
        1. loisop
          loisop 22 October 2013 13: 17
          0
          Quote: Russkiy_Prapor
          So far, everyone is surfing the Internet and notifying each other about promotions on the Internet and mobile communications. The time of the secret evening has passed - people are too lazy to tear their ass from chairs and sofas.

          This is called the "sofa opposition". In this form, she n.h.er did not fall to anyone, for it is no more dangerous than a machine gun drawn on paper.
          To listen to such network heroes send fined FSB officers, at the same time as demotion. wassat
  37. igor36
    igor36 22 October 2013 12: 44
    0
    God was angry with America for wiretapping his conversations ... am
  38. Goodmen
    Goodmen 22 October 2013 12: 52
    +1
    Constitution is not a constitution ... it has long been scored on it. If we want according to the constitution (taking into account the obligations of the state and, as protection against all kinds of ghouls, the criminal code), then the first half of our ruling elite needs to be planted for a long time, and the second to be planted for life.
    The question here is different. Why will they listen? If to restore order conducive to the development of the state and the prosperity of the population - this is one thing. Let them listen.
    And if the goal is to establish order for the prosperity of the oligarchic-bureaucratic apparatus and hangers-on, then, as they say, a completely different calico.
    That is the question!
  39. Goodmen
    Goodmen 22 October 2013 12: 52
    +1
    Constitution is not a constitution ... it has long been scored on it. If we want according to the constitution (taking into account the obligations of the state and, as protection against all kinds of ghouls, the criminal code), then the first half of our ruling elite needs to be planted for a long time, and the second to be planted for life.
    The question here is different. Why will they listen? If to restore order conducive to the development of the state and the prosperity of the population - this is one thing. Let them listen.
    And if the goal is to establish order for the prosperity of the oligarchic-bureaucratic apparatus and hangers-on, then, as they say, a completely different calico.
    That is the question!
    And another small but capacious "BUT" ... proceeding from the tendency of our "development", the Chekists have invented a new business for themselves. No court decision is needed. Listen to whoever you want and use / sell information as you please. They will not listen to Vaska and Manka in the kitchen)))) Do not forget that a bunch of different groups / clans / teams / families are concentrated at the helm of the country and at the feeders of all scales and they are constantly bickering ... to merge information especially interested.
    "Who owns the information that owns the world." N. Rothschild

    ... it’s absolutely scary if this information works for Rothschild, Rockefeller, bush and other scum clans ... it’s very scary ... taking into account the presence of their representatives in power structures (otherwise there’s no way to explain the methodical collapse of the country) ...
  40. runway
    runway 22 October 2013 13: 10
    +4
    The constitution, you say, does not allow .... So for this, all this cheese is boron in order to change it. Which will be done at the request of workers who are missing the shackles.
    Services protecting the peace of power always had access to the personal information of their citizens. Now they need a basis for presenting them in court - as proof of the guilt of ANY unwanted Internet user. In this I agree with Ingvar 72. After all, it’s clear to the hedgehog that to fabricate data that any (objectionable) citizen through such a site called for the overthrow of power will be easier than a steamed turnip ....
  41. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 22 October 2013 14: 04
    +1
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Denis
    Well, what's the noise? It’s clear that they’re listening, don’t talk. Let those who fear it howl. My agreements on going to the left or drinking under the guise of overtime can only be of interest to the family special service, since they don’t have such opportunities


    It seems so to you. There is always a well-wisher in the circle of your drinking companions.

    Yes, let there be. I do not call for terrorism and do not commit crimes. But if at least one such "drinking companion" turns out to be among the terrorists, this is the result.
  42. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 22 October 2013 14: 23
    +4
    Quote: skeptic
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    What a cynic you are too optimistic ... laughing


    In order to Poke - vodka was not drunk together at brotherhood. And you just do not want to waggle your tongue about what you cannot answer for. Therefore, there will be nothing to be afraid of. Public networks have never been and never will be. The rest is from the evil one. Yes, I am a supporter of greater control in order to reduce the field of activity for the information gnat, which breeds dirt from under the tishka, in the confidence that no one will call him to account. Including from other ill-wishers of the Russian state, using modern means of communication to the detriment of our security. Naturally, if you made a request for a meeting at a "raspberry" or a "scammer", and the Ministry of Internal Affairs slapped you, then I "sympathize" that not all at once.

    What kind of struggle against the ill-wishers of the Russian state are you our naive?
    "Echo of Moscow" is a concentrated solution of Russophobes and haters of everything Russian. Freely, legally has its own website, TV channel, and radio frequency. And what, the owner of "Gazprom", the owner of which is the state, do not know about this?
    And the opinion of some that this surveillance will not affect me is very deceiving. Some, seeming to be the most innocent acts, information about which are in the wrong hands, can destroy a person's whole life.
  43. Obliterator
    Obliterator 22 October 2013 16: 18
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Everyone has the right to confidentiality of correspondence, telephone conversations, postal, telegraph and other communications. Restriction of this right is allowed only on the basis of a court decision.
    Let first change the article of the Constitution .. And then somehow it turns out badly.

    Here, it will not be possible to change the article; here, by law, the entire Constitution must be changed in order to amend or delete this article. But this is an extremely pairing lesson.
  44. kripto
    kripto 22 October 2013 16: 58
    +1
    It is somehow strange to look at all this hysteria, moreover, from people who, for the most part, will not be interested in any of the existing special services of the world. And you ignorant comrades at least once tried to get a court decision to conduct certain technical measures. You are embarrassed by this mildest expression, something else is being asked for in the language. And in the investigation of any crime, especially in the field of high technology, time often goes to the clock. For employees (normal is over, there are few of them now), this will be a real working tool, and, excuse me for the high syllable, to protect those very hardening citizens.
    There is a direct substitution of concepts - why establish effective control over the use of data, it is easier to deny access at all. It looks strange somehow ...
    Respectfully!!!
  45. Son
    Son 22 October 2013 17: 34
    0
    More reliable than a pencil and a notebook - there is no Internet ..!
  46. voliador
    voliador 22 October 2013 20: 07
    +3
    And what, someone doubted that they were listening and looking at us?
  47. Lesnik
    Lesnik 22 October 2013 20: 30
    0
    We must understand that with the advent of the era of the Internet and developed forms of information technology, there can be no question of any private life, and the point and everything else is an illusion.
  48. poquello
    poquello 22 October 2013 20: 49
    +1
    "The document contains a proposal to ban the use of anonymizing programs that allow users to surf the Web incognito or under other network data."

    amusement makers - for this the floor of the Internet must be turned off
  49. Snoop
    Snoop 22 October 2013 21: 21
    0
    It's not that someone is afraid of something, how do they manage to develop a law that directly violates the Constitution of the Russian Federation? There is nothing to babble about democracy and the rule of law. The most important currency now is information. That's all. Well, nobody canceled the traditional dough cut. If everyone legitimizes that, the FSB will be rapidly equipped with new equipment, but will open again in a couple of years, the equipment, as it were, to put it mildly not entirely new, and the purchase price for some reason is 10 times higher than the average market price of the unit)))
    And most importantly, in the future it will be possible to use these data as evidence in a criminal case. Now they, received without the permission of the Presidium of the regional (supreme) courts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, will not be proof in court when considering a criminal case. And I see no reason as a lawyer in the adoption of this law. Suppose an automaton. the system has now detected Internet messages about the preparation of the terrorist attack. And they determined where, to whom and who. The FSB conducts an ARD. Observation and all that. Gathers material and sends to the Presidium a petition for wiretapping, interception and all that. The court considers them in an expedited and simplified manner, that is, without any lawyers, etc., parties. As a rule, give the go-ahead. And that’s all. This system is working fine anyway. Or do the judicial authorities want to knock out the solution to the question of monitoring the communication of a citizen?
  50. uizik
    uizik 22 October 2013 22: 00
    +1
    Why did you make such a fuss? Listened always and everywhere! It cannot be otherwise. This concerns intelligence. Let civilians listen only by court order.