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Reflections on the fate of the Middle East

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Reflections on the fate of the Middle East

Since October 10, in the Islamic world, holidays have begun, related to the fulfillment by Muslims of their main testimony to the love of Allah - the Hajj. Traditionally, this is the time of reasoning about the One, the grace, omnipotence and grace, and also (for pilgrims) the opportunity to start life as if from a white sheet. After all, the one who visited Mecca, thus washes away all his sins.


This year, Muslims, both Shiites and Sunnis, have something to think about and why ask Allah forgiveness of sins. Indeed, since the last Hajj in the region and the world, a lot of events have occurred that in September resulted in a radical change in the general climate in the Middle East.

Discussed in complete secrecy for almost a year (from the G-20 summit in Los Cabos) between V.Putin and B.Obama, the problem of the elimination of the chemical arsenal in Damascus (reported by the authoritative French magazine Monde Diplomatic in its October issue of The 2013 year, citing one of the White House advisers who wished to remain anonymous, led to serious agreements between the Russian and American presidents in St. Peterburg on September 5 and, as a result, to “retake cards” itnogo in recent years of conflict in the region, but also globally. The Middle East has confirmed once again that world politics is done in it and - sometimes - at its expense.

The tension in international relations that has increased in recent years, which has threatened a major, if not global armed conflict, has been safely resolved and led to a multilayered compromise that redrawn the old balance sheets.

If we talk about the redistribution of power and power at the global level, it is clear in whose favor it came about following the results of the resolution 27 adopted in the UN Security Council 2118 in September on putting the Syrian arsenal under international control. This is, of course, Russia, whose “capitalization” on the world political stock exchange has increased dramatically. He added Beijing seriously and without much damage to himself on other fronts: he supported the political compromise on Syria in the Security Council and maintained (unlike Russia) fairly trusting relations with the Sunni monarchies of the Persian Gulf, from where it imports ever-increasing oil volumes, becoming gradually the main trading partner this region, instead of weakening the United States.

The balance for Washington looks much more nuanced. Critics of the current owner of the White House believe that the United States, having gone to this deal, is still more lost than found. Yes, tactically, they dealt to their main ally, Israel, by snatching a “chemical tooth” from its main enemy. But at the same time, they actually recognized the return of Russia to the region as a world power (the position that MS Gorbachev “surrendered” to George Bush Sr. during his meeting in Malta in 1989, in any case, it was always considered in the Middle East) and one of the main players in its open spaces. At the same time, B. Obama managed to “save face” and formally fulfill the promise he made in 2012, to resolutely respond to B. Asad’s intersection of the “red line”, which is the use of chemical weapons. At the same time, it is clear to all unbiased observers that chemical weapons were used not by the regime, but by its opponents, and precisely with the goal of drawing the US into the conflict on its side. The American president successfully escaped this war for the interests of others — with the help of Russia — and this too can be credited to him, as the USA as a whole, which for the first time in a long time behaved in the Middle East as a responsible power.

Looking more globally, the US made a strategic maneuver, allowing Moscow to increase its influence, (and, judging by the dialogue that began with Iran, and Tehran in the future) in the region, in order to focus its efforts on rebalancing its ties with the ASEAN zone, where they are facing ever-increasing China's activity. For all that, their resources are not enough.

Germany, who was skeptical at the outset of the military scenario and never supported it in essence, looks confidently.

With a loud crash, the Middle East policy of France failed. Since the beginning of the “Arab spring”, it was Paris that, under N. Sarkozy, made it almost the “godfather” of the Arab revolutions, sponsored them in every way, summing up the philosophical and political basis for the need to win freedom and democracy from Morocco to Iraq, promoting by all means the overthrow and the murder of M. Gaddafi, unconditionally supporting the most radical oppositionists to the regime of B. Assad. Paris and under F. Holland hoped to "remain in the cage" of the world powers of the first plan. He was also set up with a relatively easy victory at the beginning of 2013 of the year over jihadists in Mali, from where the French managed to get their feet off in time with the support of the “big brother” who lobbied 25 on April 2013 of the UN Security Council resolution on the replacement of the French contingent (he already was disguised as a contingent of ECOWAS countries) to international.

So much colder for F. Holland was the September shower. Neither B.Obama nor V.Putin devoted him to their plans and did not involve in the development of the theme of the elimination of chemical weapons, but about the abolition of the American military operation against Syria, in which the French were going to actively participate, as written by some evil languages ​​in the international media , in the Elysian Palace, they learned at the very last moment and were forced to cancel the orders already given to their armed forces. Even if this is not the case, and the billion-dollar military orders from the Saudi monarchy, signed during the recent visit of French Defense Minister Le Drian to Jeddah, can, of course, console Paris in some way, it is already clear: France in the Middle East is from "heavyweights ”Moved, rather, into the category of“ feather weight ”- this is how boxing is called in the box of the lightest weight category.


Britain has happily avoided the fate of Paris, because in the House of Commons the idea of ​​a military operation in Syria, proposed by Prime Minister D. Cameron, was not supported, which created the necessary precedent and allowed B. Obama to go the same way and using the same technology to appeal to the legislators. As a result, London has retained its authority as a country with at least in-depth expertise in Middle Eastern affairs and ready to protect its senior partner (USA) from rash actions.

If we talk about regional powers, then the first beneficiaries of the new situation were, of course, as mentioned above, the Israelis, because without any visible efforts on their part and without concessions on the problems of the Arab-Israeli conflict (the resumption of the Palestinian-Israeli negotiations not counted, but about the occupied Golan Heights, all amicably forgotten) they began to disarm their long-standing enemy. Now B. Netanyahu can dream of disarming Hezbollah and changing the regime in Damascus through Geneva-2 to at least neutral Jerusalem. If this happens “in package” with the neutralization of Iran’s nuclear program, then it will be a triumph!

The position of the Turkish leader T. Rejip Erdogan is worse. Turkish Prime Minister not envy. He, like the King of Saudi Arabia Abdullah, made all the bets to win the opposition in Syria, and his own, from the category of Muslim brothers. Not only did the war in which he wanted to achieve these goals did not take place, but also in the region the US turned away from its brethren in Egypt, and B. Assad’s troops successfully destroyed - to the joy of the Saudis - their main forces in Syria. In general, the shares of the "brothers" in the region fell sharply - they were not only removed from power, dissolved and banned in Egypt, but persecuted throughout the Middle East. If B.Asad beats them in Syria, then in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait they are being pursued by friendly monarchies!

As a result, Ankara, which has made itself the base of all the Syrian opposition, is forced to close the border with Syria, where battles between conditionally secular Syrian free army S. Idris and jihadists of various stripes are on the outskirts of Turkish cities, who seem to have the upper hand the masses of combatants against B. Assad. It cannot be ruled out that soon T. Erdogan will have to recall B. Assad's interview with the Turkish Halk channel from October 5, in which he predicted to Turkey the soonest problems and compared the terrorists supported by the Turkish Prime Minister to scorpions, who would eventually bite those who fed them.

Like any played politician, he will soon be forced to pay issued promissory notes, which will be presented to everyone - Kurds, Alevis, secular society. The latter, by the way, as in Egypt, can raise the question of a return to Kemalism as the only possible answer to the challenges of multi-religious and multi-ethnic Turkish society. The most interesting thing is that it will find support in this both in the West and among its current friends in the Gulf, who may prefer the traditional Turkish power of the military to the dubious society of losing in the Middle East to the Ikhwanists. And the opening of Armenian churches in Diyarbakir would then be insufficient to maintain the power of T. Erdogan’s party.

As for the regime in Damascus, he has not yet lost, although he has lost his main argument of deterrence in the face of external aggression. But he has time to destroy jihadists and, it seems, this does not at all resist in Washington, and in many European capitals. The next diplomatic party, the conference in Geneva, will be much more difficult for the Syrian regime, because it is not yet clear how Tehran will behave, looking for a solution to its economic problems and out of isolation in the region in a dialogue with Washington, but it still has to live.

Saudi Arabia, of course, considers himself the king of losers. She fully “invested” both in the overthrow of Bashar Assad and in securing, including financially (along with other GCC countries) the US military operation against Syria, but she suffered a crushing political and diplomatic defeat, probably the first such deafening in her stories. Her position, like that of France, was not taken into account, no one consulted. On top of all the troubles, the American-Iranian dialogue began, which threatens to be fast, constructive and lead to the most positive results in bilateral relations. And this will bring down the entire strategy of the Saudi monarchy of recent decades.

While in Riyadh, they do not want to admit their failure and rely on their lobbyists in Washington. The chemical weapons deal is called flawed, and the upcoming Geneva Conference on Syria was dubbed “Munich” beforehand. But the wonderful Muslim holiday Eid al-Adha, which comes, we recall, on the 10 day of the 12 month of the Muslim lunar calendar of the Zul-Hija, that is, October 15 this year, provides an opportunity not only to taste the sacrificial lamb, but also think about opportunities for more constructive engagement with the international community, which seems to have moved in a completely different direction ...
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  1. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 22 October 2013 15: 54
    +7
    Since October 10, in the Islamic world, holidays have begun, related to the fulfillment by Muslims of their main testimony to the love of Allah - the Hajj. Traditionally, this is the time of reasoning about the One, the grace, omnipotence and grace, and also (for pilgrims) the opportunity to start life as if from a white sheet. After all, the one who visited Mecca, thus washes away all his sins.


    It would be nice if the Muslims of the whole world began a new life by stopping their scumbags ISLAMIS - JIHADISTS (otherwise, with the word ALLAH AKBAR, I get the feeling that some Christian or simply an infidel (according to the Islamist's ideas) shot off a head cut off with a dagger.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 16: 42
      +6
      Do you want Muslims to abandon Islam? And I want it, it will bring peace to the whole world. But this will not come true, at least not soon ...
      1. Guun
        Guun 22 October 2013 16: 56
        +5
        Extremists are people hiding behind Islam, and they have nothing to do with us. If you are looking for the TERRORISM SPRAY - you will be in the white house on the capitol hill, and then you’ll lie if you find the head of snakes there. If gay and lesbian people are crowned in churches, this does not mean that in Christianity, LGBT is allowed and welcomed.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 October 2013 19: 57
          +5
          Quote: Guun
          If you are looking for the TERRORISM SEASON - you are in the White House on Capitol Hill
          Something I have never heard of terrorists shouting a four-thread like "Washington Akbar", "Obama Akbar", or even "Dollar Akbar". Of course they love dollars, although they do not disdain any other currency, even if only the yuan, if only more.
          Quote: Guun
          If gay and lesbian people are crowned in churches, this does not mean that in Christianity, LGBT is allowed and welcomed.
          But what they get married is half the trouble. And even the fact that the current Pope Francis said in an approximate translation: "Who am I to condemn gay priests, the main thing is that they love Christ" is not the biggest problem. But the fact that they "love" the boys brought by their parents to the temple to study religion in Sunday school - well, I would very much like to apply verse 20:13 to them from the book of Leviticus.
          If someone lies with a man, as with a woman, then both of them have done an abomination: let them be put to death, their blood be upon them.
          Well, the Anglican (aka episcopal) church is already falling apart because of this, many parishes are voting for the departure from the jurisdiction of the American church under the jurisdiction of some conservative African bishop who does not like LGBT. But honestly - I would rather have a gomik in lipstick as a neighbor on a bus than a suicide bomber in a suicide belt. As for me, it's better that these sexually preoccupied shahids of each other are drunk in point than 0 virgins get at the expense of other people's lives.
        2. catapractic
          catapractic 22 October 2013 22: 08
          0
          don’t simplify Washington by Washington, but Qatar by Kator
      2. Lech from our city
        Lech from our city 22 October 2013 17: 22
        +6
        I just want to stop cutting the throat of people and not shout at the same time ALLAH AKBAR.
        You see, the famous ACADEMICIAN PAVLOV has an experience with a dog when, before eating, a light bulb was lit in front of it and the corresponding reflex worked.
        Similarly, ALLAH AKBAR - IMMEDIATELY APPEARS THE IMAGE OF THE JICHADIST WITH A KNIFE and a stream of blood from the throat of his victim.
        Such techniques are often used in psychological warfare.
        And in the minds of many of our people, this is exactly the image of the Islamist jihadist calling for the fight against infidels, and this is bad.
        1. Guun
          Guun 22 October 2013 18: 03
          +4
          We also want our youth not to go to the beautiful speeches of those people who use them as meat. We also want to Eradicate this evil that is being shoveled by the waters of Islam. It’s very difficult for me as a Muslim, what is happening now is evil eyes full of rage - but the smile is Sunnah, but I don’t see it now.
          1. a52333
            a52333 22 October 2013 23: 38
            +1
            Well, what can an adequate Muslim do when religion is discredited? Just make sure that Wahhabis do not appear in his mosque.
        2. nik6006
          nik6006 22 October 2013 18: 25
          11
          Quote: Lech from our city
          I just want to stop cutting the throat of people and not shout at the same time ALLAH AKBAR.
          You see, the famous ACADEMICIAN PAVLOV has an experience with a dog when, before eating, a light bulb was lit in front of it and the corresponding reflex worked.
          Similarly, ALLAH AKBAR - IMMEDIATELY APPEARS THE IMAGE OF THE JICHADIST WITH A KNIFE and a stream of blood from the throat of his victim.
          Such techniques are often used in psychological warfare.
          And in the minds of many of our people, this is exactly the image of the Islamist jihadist calling for the fight against infidels, and this is bad.


          I develop a different reflex - the index finger of my right hand immediately begins to tremble, and the left one seems to be squeezing a bed, a wooden bed. Although, I was brought up in a truly tolerant spirit of the Soviet Union and there are a lot of friends who read both the Bible and the Koran and even the Torah, recently the image of a Muslim-Caucasian person causes a sense of danger. This is the reality, I am simply forced by circumstances to react to what is happening around in this way. If I see a Caucasian or non-European next to me, I expect a catch. Well, that's the experience of life. Don't our "friends" in the Caucasus understand this ????? Well, you can't ride in Russian, use it, well, as long as you have patience, we endure, and then kaaak eb.n.me, it won't seem a little, there will be a sea of ​​blood. Well, what do you, my dear guests, want so much war? You only understand strength, you will have strength. How I don’t want to fight, only now my son has grown up, it’s better to be a builder than a sergeant, and my daughter is also big already, God forbid who will offend, I don’t answer for myself sometimes, I’ve got it. Well, it seems they are not stupid, how to talk, one at a time, well, as more than 2-3 - straight sheep. Well, mullahs, well, teach your kids to respect people, or we will have to, then do not exact.
          1. Horn
            Horn 23 October 2013 06: 20
            0
            My other one is developing a reflex - the index finger of the right hand starts to tremble immediately, and the left one seems to squeeze the bed, the wooden bed

            Key word: "as if". It's a pity. we mentally squeeze the box of the machine, and the opponent does it in reality.
        3. alone
          alone 22 October 2013 19: 54
          0
          Quote: Lech from our city
          Similarly, ALLAH AKBAR - IMMEDIATELY APPEARS THE IMAGE OF THE JICHADIST WITH A KNIFE and a stream of blood from the throat of his victim.
          Such techniques are often used in psychological warfare.


          this is done specifically so that people think that way. These people cover up their crimes with religion.
    2. Guun
      Guun 22 October 2013 17: 00
      14
      Quote: Lech from our city
      ISLAMIS - JIHADISTS

      We are fighting, in Kazakhstan their number has decreased (although in some regions there are still mullahs financed from fascington.) This is our internal war, we are against them, they are against us. And blood is pouring.
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 17: 20
        +2
        I don’t want to make a polemic, so I ask you not to respond only to thoughtfully read the Qur'an, Surah and especially the Hadith where the exploits of your prophet are described. (If you’re really unknowing) And think about why the Orthodox let us now carry out terrorist attacks in Boston, Rome, London. . shorter not explode Catholics. And yet, where there is Islam, there are always terrorist attacks and jihadists and they are 100% Muslims who fulfill the will of Muhammad. SAHIH Al-BUKHARI - also a good book. Just think about why there is terror in all Muslim countries.
        1. Guun
          Guun 22 October 2013 17: 51
          +8
          Do not poke the boy, this is first. Secondly, I think that I know the East - such a job, and I know the Quran, Hadith, as well as the Bible (I even remember my first cross). I respect a person with any religion, the main thing that would not interfere with others. Catholics were the first to carve out everything from their own to ending up almost destroying the peoples of South America (they already have more blood on their hands than Hitler) - until the Pope lost power. And I know one thing is definitely impossible to kill in Islam, and the Koran, like the Bible, can be interpreted as you wish. And how many people sold their property in order to give money to God and, having changed their minds, became homeless? This is me about Grace, about terrible lovers of soldering people with hallucinogenic substances. We are fighting terrorists (and you will fight against those forces that are gaining strength in your forests - I mean those who train a small army there and wait an hour under the blessing of Perun.) - and if you don’t like the faith of others, my advice is not everywhere people are golden. You just don’t know how many sweeps we have destroyed radicals in Kazakhstan over the past two years, yes we Muslims uproot other people who also think that they are Muslims and they think that they are doing everything right, although they don’t see the manipulation behind them, the thread stretching from the west. I just see a man blinded by anger - it will not lead to anything good, and those Muslims who live with YOU professing traditional Islam - and not far from them to set themselves up against such a stupid conclusion that you have. There are no explosions in Saudi Arabia and Qatar - friends of the West. Think before yelling nonsense.
          1. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 18: 02
            0
            9: 5 When the forbidden months are over, kill the polytheists, wherever you find them, take them captive, besiege them in the fortresses and use any ambush against them. If they repent, make a salad, give out the sunset, then let them go their own way, for Allah is forgiving, merciful.
            (- It is the adoption of Islam by enemies that is declared a condition of peace with them.)

            9:29 Fight those of the people of Scripture who do not believe in Allah or the Day of Judgment, who do not consider it forbidden that Allah and His Messenger forbade, who do not follow true religion until they humiliate themselves with paying jizyu.

            Only 2 verses from the Koran and ... would you not go to read the Koran, but is it open? In Islam, you can’t kill .. heh
            1. Guun
              Guun 22 October 2013 18: 13
              +2
              Now read what is written in the Qur'an above - 9 verses. 4 surah
              -This does not apply to those polytheists with whom you entered into an agreement and who after that didn’t violate anything and did not help anyone against you. Observe the contract with them before the expiration of its term. Indeed, Allah loves the God-fearing.

              People like you set up against you and your nations and religions other people like you, right from one field a berry. It is disgusting for me to communicate with people like you, it is because of people like you that ethnic and religious clashes occur. Thank God you are few. I hope when you grow up you will gain a mind.
              1. 6 sunrise 9
                6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 18: 29
                +2
                Quote: Guun
                -This does not apply to those polytheists with whom you entered into an agreement and who after that didn’t violate anything and did not help anyone against you. Observe the contract with them before the expiration of its term. Indeed, Allah loves the God-fearing.


                This is what I understand peacefulness !!!! But what about those with whom the contract is not concluded? And when does the contract expire? Justification does not work; anyone who calls to kill cannot be a messenger of God.
                1. Siberian
                  Siberian 22 October 2013 18: 56
                  +6
                  anyone who calls to kill cannot be the messenger of god.
                  If you kill only because you have a different faith. THIS can only be the messenger of the devil. For faith, you can only talk (THIS I AM TALKING). Killing for faith in war is a stupid excuse for the unenlightened, etc. etc.
                  1. 6 sunrise 9
                    6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 18: 58
                    -1
                    The second verse is the confirmation of your words. It is written in the Quran.
          2. catapractic
            catapractic 22 October 2013 22: 13
            0
            There are no explosions in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, of course they finance them.
      2. catapractic
        catapractic 22 October 2013 22: 11
        0
        yes, grandfather Nazarbay took them seriously, unlike other Central Asians
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    4. Savva30
      Savva30 22 October 2013 20: 07
      +6
      The cry of a Russian tourist at the Washington airport "Alla, I'm going to the bar!" made 1300 Americans crap, including 19 police officers.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 October 2013 16: 01
    10
    yes well, wherever you stick, in any Arab conflict, Israel’s ears stick out. A suspicious half-world country as hens above it. they don’t give offense in any way, they block absolutely all the norms directed against. otmazyvayut from crimes committed, emerging crimes are painted white ...
    In general, I have one conclusion: as long as Americans and Jews are present in BV, nothing good will come of it. but without them, I think, the Arabs would have figured out between themselves
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 16: 07
      +7
      What do you want, God's people. laughing
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 22 October 2013 16: 12
        +7
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        What do you want, God's people

        In my opinion, they have already changed places with the devil for a long time. If not at all ...
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 16: 45
          +2
          Even before the arrival of the Jews and the creation of Israil, Muslims slaughtered each other into BV (Shiites / Sunnis). So, the United States and the "chosen of God" only add oil to the fire that burned on the BV since the spread of Islam.
          1. Guun
            Guun 22 October 2013 17: 02
            0
            If you understand the Shiites, the work of the Jews. And the first to start the war were the Harijiti (they do not belong to Islam), then the Shiites (Persians). Who goes against the ruler is Kharijit. I hope everything is clear?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 22 October 2013 17: 04
              +1
              Nothing beguiled? Maybe the Sunnis (Salafists)? No offense, I want to figure it out (although you yourself can’t do it yourself)
              1. Guun
                Guun 22 October 2013 17: 14
                0
                Who killed Usman? That's right, Kharijits - and they killed his pregnant wife. Questions?
            2. igor67
              igor67 22 October 2013 17: 14
              +2
              Quote: Guun
              If you understand the Shiites, the work of the Jews. And the first to start the war were the Harijiti (they do not belong to Islam), then the Shiites (Persians). Who goes against the ruler is Kharijit. I hope everything is clear?

              Well, I was waiting when they remember the Jews, today I posted twice about the Kazakh family of 150 people who went to jihad in Syria, are the Jews also to blame? Let's take care of ourselves, not look for extreme ones
              1. Guun
                Guun 22 October 2013 18: 16
                +4
                Quote: igor67
                to a Kazakh family of 150 people who went to jihad in Syria, are Jews also to blame?

                Sorry, we are to blame. But a powerful Shiite group was created by a genius from your people.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 22 October 2013 18: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: Guun
                  Quote: igor67
                  to a Kazakh family of 150 people who went to jihad in Syria, are Jews also to blame?

                  Sorry, we are to blame. But a powerful Shiite group was created by a genius from your people.

                  I don’t understand much religion, generally I don’t understand it, at most painted eggs for Pasca and vodka for Pace, but here many smart comrades write that monoreligions have come out of Judaism, so all the same, the Jews are responsible. We have enough of ours, the ultraorthodoxes are the same Natsik, the only thing is that they are not like a gun, it’s harder .......
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 19: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: igor67
                    maximum painted eggs for Pasca and vodka for Pace,

                    good It looks like you became my idol among the Jews. laughing
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 22 October 2013 19: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: igor67
                      maximum painted eggs for Pasca and vodka for Pace,

                      good It looks like you became my idol among the Jews. laughing

                      My friend is one of the sins: do not create an idol for yourself laughing but thanks in general drinks I'm in shorts, Vodka Mernaya
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 22 October 2013 19: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: igor67
                        I'm in shorts, Vodka Mernaya

                        Hi Igoryanich hi
                        And I’m next to KROKS, I confirm Vodka Measured and it was somehow measured drinks
                      2. Apollo
                        Apollo 22 October 2013 19: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: igor67
                        Vodka Mernaya

                        Quote: atalef
                        I confirm vodka Measured and it was somehow measured


                        They smell of flood, your comments and in a personal can not ?!
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 22 October 2013 19: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Apollon
                        They smell of flood, your comments and in a personal can not ?!

                        Apollo. Hey . understand . hidden advertising of vodka, in fact, I just confirmed Igoryanich’s words (otherwise they would suddenly think that this is my favorite Green Brand)
                        And next to Igoryanich, I did, on Easter, they went to the upper Jordan, like fishing and without wives. I didn’t even unpack fishing rods
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 20: 11
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      And I’m nearby in the KROKS, I confirm Vodka Measured and it was measurelessly drinks

                      What are you wrong Jews. Have you eaten fat? laughing
                2. nik6006
                  nik6006 22 October 2013 19: 25
                  +2
                  With eggs, everything is clear, but about the paise, please share the recipe, like this:

                  [quote = Ingvar 72] [quote = igor67] maximum painted eggs for Paska and vodka for Pace, [/ quote]

                  Insist what? drinks
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 22 October 2013 19: 32
                    +1
                    [quote = nik6006] Everything is clear with the eggs, but about the paise, please share the recipe, like this:

                    [quote = Ingvar 72] [quote = igor67] maximum painted eggs for Paska and vodka for Pace, [/ quote]

                    Insist what? drinks[/ Quote]
                    You can insist, but who holds so much tincture? I would describe the photo as a hard morning, thoughts about the Middle East
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 22 October 2013 19: 52
                    +3
                    Quote: igor67
                    I would describe the photo as a hard morning, thoughts about the Middle East

                    And about the way home, well, brother-in-law is not pli. I would definitely not get there. belay
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 20: 18
                  0
                  Quote: nik6006
                  Insist what? drinks

                  No, it's a pun, Easter in Hebrew Pace.
          2. Day 11
            Day 11 22 October 2013 18: 45
            +1
            Dear, I would like to know your attitude to the Shiites fighting in Syria for justice! jihadology.net/hizballah-cavalcade/. There are many photo-videos. Please, I would like to hear your opinion
            1. Guun
              Guun 22 October 2013 19: 04
              +2
              Anyone who fights for justice will win, even if a Christian, Muslim, Sunni or Shiite, Israeli citizens. I always support the one who is for justice. The defenders of their homeland are the best people - this is my attitude.
            2. igor67
              igor67 22 October 2013 19: 04
              +2
              Quote: Den 11
              Dear, I would like to know your attitude to the Shiites fighting in Syria for justice! jihadology.net/hizballah-cavalcade/. There are many photo-videos. Please, I would like to hear your opinion

              If I’m Denis, I’ll repeat: I don’t understand who is who, a Muslim Arab works with me, I asked him who he would put or Shiite, he himself doesn’t know, he says he is a Muslim. I haven’t seen Muslim women in hijab for a long time, but here are Muslim women in tight jeans and a décolleté shaft, but how do they plump belay
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 October 2013 19: 54
                0
                Quote: igor67
                but Muslim women in tight jeans and a décolleté shaft, and how they plump

                Arab Christians in general - beauty queens love
            3. alone
              alone 22 October 2013 20: 01
              +5
              Denis Zdarova! Actually, the Alawites are fighting in Syria, not the Shiites. The Alawites were not Shiaites before. Take an interest in Alavism, you will understand who they are. And the Iranians ranked them as Shiites in order to create their bridgehead in the region.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 22 October 2013 20: 09
                +2
                Hello, buddy. But aren't Hesboll Shiites? Why am I saying that they are men, that different people are fighting in their ranks. In general, Lebanon remains a small island of tolerance in the BV! Do you agree with me?
                1. alone
                  alone 22 October 2013 21: 09
                  +1
                  Hezbollah Shiites, but the Alawites were ranked among them relatively recently.
                  in general, hezbollah is the expeditionary force of the IRGC of Iran. The organization exists and is fighting at the expense of Iran. If the Assad leaves, then this is the end of hezbollah.
                  they’re fighting for Syria. It’s difficult to call Lebanon telorant. There are many nations, but there are disagreements over the throat. Do not forget that there was a civil war. And there are still contradictions.
      2. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 17: 36
        +4
        Persia was a great state, before the advent of Islam. So many scientific discoveries ... but after the advent of Islam, there was almost nothing left of the Persian culture. The Arab conquest forced a significant part of the population to accept Islam and plunged these lands into stagnation (in every sense). Although, if not for Muslims, the picture of the world would be different now. The Middle East would be more advanced scientifically than the West.
        Here is an excerpt from the outbreak of war

        In 628, the Prophet Muhammad sent letters to the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius, the Iranian Shah Khosrov, and other rulers of neighboring states calling for the adoption of Islam. The reaction of the Byzantine emperor is unknown, Khosrov was enraged at the inappropriate appeal to him (". In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. From the Messenger of Allah Mohammed - to Khosroy, the King of the Persians. ...") and tore the letter. When the prophet found out about this, he said that Allah would break the kingdom of Khosrov just as Khosrov tore this letter.

        What a peace-loving prophet, Islam always spread with a sword and a lot of blood was spilled during the capture of Persia ... I do not want to believe that God wants to see wars between people and wants to see how some people kill others, only the devil enjoys human deaths. It’s interesting if our patriarch sent a letter to the Saudis calling for the adoption of Christianity, what would be the reaction? Insolent is your prophet ....
        1. yurii p
          yurii p 22 October 2013 18: 45
          0
          "Islam has always been carried by the sword" ... yes it is true, but not only Islam, look at history, religion was introduced by force and arms and money, and not by the word of God, as the preachers assure us, peoples and entire states were destroyed by the name of God.
          1. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 19: 02
            +1
            Yes, I can admit that Christianity spread throughout the world, in different colonies. However, lat. America and many countries, even after colonization, continued Christianity, dismissing this religion as evil. Buddhism was never carried away by war. It is also worth noting that in most countries where the main population professes Christianity, this religion did not come with a sword.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 22 October 2013 19: 09
              0
              Our bazaar on this subject is simply nothing! It is necessary that our friends (and my personal friends) from Azerbaijan who really think about this issue should join in
              1. alone
                alone 22 October 2013 20: 10
                +3
                so what do they answer Denis! a person suffers from Islamophobia, so much he does not explain oppresses his line. even disgusting to read !!
                1. 6 sunrise 9
                  6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 20: 43
                  0
                  It's disgusting to read
                  forgot to finish probably? - and there is nothing to answer.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lo7WfxIOGE - толерантность и терпимость? У мусульман этого нет.
                2. Day 11
                  Day 11 22 October 2013 20: 55
                  +2
                  Are you probably young yet? I understand this is obvious. I lived under the USSR and entered the Military School under the USSR. In the 91st country fell apart (I was in the 1st year). I took the oath to an independent state-university. We had a platoon and Turkmens and Azerbaijanis and Armenians (not, I apologize for another platoon but in the same company). At the beginning of the 1st course there were frictions (as without them), but ended after 4 years as friends! And they will always be my friends!
                3. 6 sunrise 9
                  6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 21: 09
                  +1
                  You see, it’s not that I am young. And yes, I believe that there can be friendship between a Muslim and a person of another religion, like love. Something human is not alien to Muslims, because they are people. The problem for me is their writing and what it calls for and what laws it sets. The more I read the Qur'an, the Sunna was more horrified ... because approx. 1.3 billion people. And how a person could write this.
                  And about friendship, too, there is an ayah in the Quran

                  5:51 O you who believed! Do not be friends with Jews and Christians: they are friends with each other. If any of you is friends with them, then he himself is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not lead the direct way of the wicked.

                  If this is truly friendship and you became friends, then these Muslims have committed a sin according to the Qur'an. Do you understand me now?
                4. Day 11
                  Day 11 22 October 2013 21: 28
                  0
                  This is the Arctic fox !!!
                5. atalef
                  atalef 22 October 2013 21: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: 6Sunrise9
                  If this is truly friendship and you became friends, then these Muslims have committed a sin according to the Qur'an. Do you understand me now?

                  Yes, the nonsense is phenomenal.
                6. 6 sunrise 9
                  6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 21: 48
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Yes, the nonsense is phenomenal.


                  So it’s written in the Quran !!! What can I do about it? I didn’t make up the Koran.
          2. alone
            alone 22 October 2013 21: 11
            0
            young man! I have no time to read and answer your nonsense! the only thing I can advise, contact a psychologist.
          3. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 21: 37
            0
            If you are so smart, explain this ayah to me? Otherwise your delirium, go to the psychologist just a stupid excuse.
          4. alone
            alone 22 October 2013 21: 55
            +2
            Listen carefully! each word of the Qur'an, each ayah has 7 interpretations. read the translation of some kind of translator and think that everything is so. you want to know everything thoroughly, study the Arabic language perfectly, get the Qur'an in Arabic and read. everything connected with Islam is disgusting to you, in every Muslim you see the enemy. and interpret everything according to your concepts. I have nothing to report to the 18-year-old boy. You do not like my religion, keep your thoughts to yourself. There is nothing to incite inter-religious hatred, a horseradish provocateur! The conversation is over!
          5. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 22: 11
            -1
            Here are 5 translations (different translators) of this verse

            O those who believed! Do not consider Jews and Christians as your helpers and friends, as they help each other. If any of you considers them his assistants and friends, then he himself is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not lead the unjust people in a direct way. (Kuliyev)

            O you who believe! Do not make friends with Jews and Christians: they are friends with each other. If any of you is friends with them, then he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not lead the direct way of the wicked. (Ottomans)

            O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as friends: they are friends of one another. And if one of you takes them as your friend, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not lead unrighteous people! (Krachkovsky)

            Oh you who believe!
            You do not take in your patrons
            Neither Jews nor Christians:
            They are friends one to another.
            And the one of you who took them as patrons -
            He is one of them.
            The Lord truly will not guide
            Those who (His limits) are transgressing. (Porokhov)

            O you who believe! Do not take either Jews or Christians as allies and protectors! They are the same in their hostility towards you. The one who takes them as supporters and patrons is the very one of them. Allah does not lead to the direct path of the unrighteous, which harms itself, making unbelievers its patrons and supporters. (Al-Azhar)

            Any other arguments?
          6. alone
            alone 22 October 2013 22: 28
            +1
            so the first Muslims, in order not to die, found salvation from the Christian king of Ethiopia. who said so: you are Muslims and we are Christians as two different rays of the same sun. Do you think the king was an idiot?
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          8. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 23: 13
            -1
            Everything just Muhamed lied to the king, in the name of religion, a Muslim can lie.

            Arguments 0?
          9. alone
            alone 22 October 2013 23: 47
            -1
            not one person who considers himself a Muslim would not allow himself to offend the Prophet Jesus (may Allah be pleased with him). and you declared the Prophet Muhammad a liar.

            do not write to me. go away
          10. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 23 October 2013 11: 40
            0
            Takiyya - known as a lie in the name of Islam. Although many argue that such a practice is practiced only in Shiite Islam, it is also mentioned in many Sunni hadiths and is recognized by most Sunni scholars.

            Kitman is a similar, but preferable Islamic doctrine, which consists not in pretense, but in concealing part of the truth, with a “mental reservation” justifying the concealment of the rest. For example, when Muslims claim that “jihad” means “spiritual struggle,” and do not add that this definition was introduced in Islam in the XNUMXth century by falsifying hadiths, they are misleading, hiding the true violent nature of jihad, and therefore practice "Kitman". Another example is the assurance of Muslim apologists that Islam “unconditionally” respects freedom of conscience, after which the Koran’s verse “No Coercion in Religion” is quoted. Such statements distort the truth, because there was no mention of Islamic doctrine abolition of ayahs (nash).

            By the way, about Naskh, this ayah allows you to cancel ayahs that the prophet created at the very beginning and replace it with those that were written by Muhammad later. The Quran is divided into 2 parts. The first part was written in Mecca and indeed there you can find many ayahs that are very liberal and tolerant. This is due to the fact that Christians, Jews lived in this city ... the majority of the city were pagans and you yourself understand for the wrong words of the newly-arrived prophet they could quickly hang. The second part was written in Medina, where Mohamed was not at all tolerant, and it was there that the ayah Nash was created, abolishing liberal and tolerant ayats and replacing them with radical ayats.
            Any other arguments?
  • atalef
    atalef 22 October 2013 21: 35
    +1
    Quote: yurii p
    Islam has always been carried by the sword "... yes it is true, but not only Islam, look at history, religion was introduced by force and weapons and money, and not by the word of God, as the preachers assure us, peoples and entire states were destroyed in the name of God.

    Nothing of the kind, Islam was at the stage of its development (especially in the Middle Ages it was not spread by fire and sword. Islam was carried by trade. Therefore, Muslim countries are also located throughout the entire Silk Road, so is Africa. All Muslim religions narrowed remarkably. It was the flowering of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, until Queen Isabella (in my opinion) expelled Muslims, and then the Jews, after which she began to beautifully burn her co-religionists at the fires of the Inquisition.
    To be honest. then, by planting religion, Christianity (the Catholic, the Orthodox were almost not involved in this matter) are very big problems, and the Protestants pulled themselves up a bit later.
    I do not speak . that there were no cases of forced planting of Islam, it was (especially in the Balkan countries, Bulgaria. Serbia, Croatia, Albania), but in terms of volume and power can not be compared with Catholicism.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 21: 51
      +1
      The first invasion of North Africa was launched in 647. After leaving Medina, 20 Arabs joined in Memphis (Egypt) with another 000 soldiers. Sheikh Abdullah ibn Saad commanded the Arabs. The Carthaginian Exarch Gregory, declared the independence of his exarchate from the Byzantine Empire. He gathered troops and joined the battle with the Muslims. But it was defeated at the battle of Sufetul (a city 20 km south of Carthage). With the death of Gregory, Carthage paid tribute to the Arabs. The campaign lasted another fifteen months, but in 000 the troops of Abdullah returned to Egypt.
    2. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 21: 58
      -1
      In 665, a new military invasion of the African exarchate began. In 689, the new North African military campaign was over. An army of Byzantine Greeks (30 soldiers) was defeated during this campaign. To the 000 Muslims who started this war, another 40 Arabs soon arrived, led by Arab general Ukba ibn Nafi. Coming out of Damascus, the army marched almost all of North Africa. In 000, the city of Kairouan captured by the Arabs was rebuilt, became a strong fortress and the basis for further hostilities. This city became the capital of the Islamic region of Ifricia (the Arabic name of Tunisia). The walled city covered the coastal areas of what is today Western Libya, Tunisia, and Eastern Algeria. After the settlement of Kairouan, the Arabs again continued the conquest of the Maghreb (the so-called Arabs of northwestern Africa). In the process of conquering the Maghreb, Ukba ibn Nafi captured the coastal city of Bugia and the modern city of Tangier. Both cities were once part of Roman Mauritania.

      But Ukba could not hold the conquered lands for a long time. A Berber rebellion broke out in the rear of his army. Soon he was recalled back with his army to crush this rebellion. In one of the battles against the Greco-African rebels, Ukba ibn Nafi died. In his place came the new commander Zuheir, but he also died in the fight against the rebels. Constantinople had already managed to send a large army to Africa.

      Meanwhile, a new civil war erupted in Arabia and Syria. The conquests of the Arabs were again suspended.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 October 2013 22: 08
        +2
        Maybe you messed up the site? Here, basically, all the adult uncles born and raised in the USSR. And between us you won’t be able to harbor a jerk! So, let's go to another site. You have nothing to do here.
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 22: 24
          -1
          What have I done? Did you bring the verses from the Qur'an? If they are promoting enmity, what can I do about it? But in general miserable the answer is comrade general.
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 22 October 2013 22: 34
          +1
          Sorry, you say. I won’t repeat --- I don’t post something that you don’t have a clue about! Want to figure out the QURAN? - please go to the mosque. And you have read some kind of online nonsense and think that you have learned the top of knowledge.
        3. alone
          alone 22 October 2013 22: 56
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          please go to the mosque. And you have read some kind of online nonsense and think that you have attained the top of knowledge.


          in my opinion he obeyed your advice and ran to the mosque in search of the truth wassat drinks
        4. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 23: 17
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Do you want to understand the KORAN? -Please-go to the mosque.


          Buddhism understood without going to temples, and for me it is a normal religion, so why should I listen to a Muslim theologian?
    3. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 22: 29
      0
      do not pay attention to him! this young man is most likely one of those who are zigzagging at a meeting !! and go with a swastika))
    4. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 23: 12
      -1
      fellow wassat tongue Yeah, and I eat babies and drink the blood of virgins.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lo7WfxIOGE
    5. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 23: 21
      0
      and what does this video say? for such insults, anyone would give him a face. be less interested in videos of various kinds of Islamophobes. your young man should heed the advice of respected Denis.
    6. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 23 October 2013 07: 17
      0
      This shows how muslim are tolerant and tolerant. If I can admit that Christianity is allowed to disperse around the world through colonies and some other aspects of history. That muslims are intolerant and intolerant. I totally agree with the guy in this video. And this is true. And those who watched the video should think about what will happen when there will be more Muslims in their city, country and what kind of life their children will have under Islam. I will not listen to a naive person we lived in the USSR - we are friends to the grave yeah, Azerbaijanis and Armenians also lived in the USSR how quickly they began to cut each other. Georgians and Ossetians with Abkhazians also lived in the USSR. Dudaev also lived under the USSR, and then he quickly called for slaughtering the Russians (shouting to Allah Akbar) and many Chechens quickly obeyed him ... only such a fool can say that.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 22 October 2013 23: 31
    0
    So far, kindly. I haven’t even looked at yours.
  • Skiff-2
    Skiff-2 22 October 2013 21: 44
    +2
    When, during the time of Jesus Christ, the Jews of the Zealots secretly gathered in the desert a huge army (about 300 thousand) for the war with Rome and they needed a leader (capable of performing miracles and feeding an entire army with five loaves of bread), they came to Jesus with an offer, but he refused , then they decided to come at night, take him by force and proclaim him king. Upon learning of this, he sent the disciples to the other side of Lake Genesaret and himself at night followed them along the water (as if on dry land). The Zealots in the morning, not finding Him on many ships, rushed after him and, having found him on the other side, again wanted to make him king, but He told them a riddle about the sacrament (eat my flesh and drink my blood) and they, having decided that He was a madman, departed from him and went home. Now this phrase is spoken by the priest during the liturgy, bringing out the holy gifts (the disciples learned the secret of the meaning of these words only at the Great Supper), but then He said so in order to get rid of the Zealots, not wanting to become a king and wage war with Rome. He ordered his disciples to greet everyone with the words "Peace be with you" ... feel the difference ... even in a nightmare I will not dream that a Christian with the words "glory to Thee, Lord" ... would kill a person ... but words " Allah akbar "we see as the soundtrack of the most monstrous crimes, the founder of this religion instructs his followers:" cut off the heads of the unfaithful ", etc. , and not only that, during his lifetime he unleashed the World War (the war for world domination - the Great Caliphate), the scale of which would have been the envy of all the dictators of mankind put together ... The Son of God brought Peace, so who brought the war?
  • Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 22 October 2013 16: 07
    +2
    Yeah, SAUDITES with QATAR would sort it out.
    Around the blood pours after their intervention in the affairs of other countries.
    In our Caucasus, representatives of these countries (ABU DZEITA, for example, soon they’ll probably post an article about him, which killer still need to be searched), our people shed a lot of blood
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  • Goodmen
    Goodmen 22 October 2013 16: 14
    +3
    It seems that the period of the Arab revolutions is approaching its logical conclusion, although the region will not be completely stable, but the chaos that we have observed over the past years will probably not be for a long time.

    The split in the Arab world is obvious. Neither Syria nor Iran will forgive Turkey and the UAE with Qatar for their actions. How long?

    In China, I liked the comparison:
    "... Beijing added seriously and without much damage to itself on other fronts: it maintained a political compromise on Syria in the Security Council and maintained (in contrast to Russia) quite trusting relations with the Sunni monarchies of the Persian Gulf, from where it imports ever-increasing volumes of oil ..."
    Why compare? We export oil and we are a competitor for these monarchies, and within the framework of the issue on Syria - in general, the enemy. China is easier - he pays them money.

    And in the States ... "... like the United States as a whole, which for the first time in a long time behaved in the Middle East as a responsible power ..."
    What else could they do? As Libya is no longer fit, the Russian Federation and China are against. And there Iran still hates with arms and rattles weapons, and Syria would have no problems with weapons.

    It's a shame that they could prevent the discharge of Libya. Now it happened.
    And then they would have turned out if our politicians acted harder.
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 22 October 2013 16: 28
    +1
    I didn’t see anything new or original ...
  • Day 11
    Day 11 22 October 2013 16: 41
    +1
    As-salamu alaykum friends. Peace to your home. The Book of Allah says: "When you are greeted with salam, answer the same way or even better ..." Something like this, may our Muslim friends forgive me. Questions?
    1. DZ_98_B
      DZ_98_B 22 October 2013 16: 52
      +2
      I will never say these words in my life. Learn the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE OF KOLI LIVE IN MY COUNTRY !!!!!!
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 October 2013 16: 54
        0
        Du-ak --- Du-akom !!!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 17: 54
          +3
          Quote: Den 11
          Du-ak --- Du-akom !!!

          Denis, he mocks at the illiterate. lol
          1. Siberian
            Siberian 22 October 2013 18: 15
            +2
            The most important thing is never to lose your sense of humor drinks
        2. yurii p
          yurii p 22 October 2013 18: 34
          +4
          there isn’t just a fool, when a person greets you, in any language, with words about good and peace, you need to answer this only with similar words, not stupidity, otherwise you expose yourself as an idiot.
    2. Yura
      Yura 22 October 2013 19: 55
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      "Something like this, may our Muslim friends forgive me. Questions?

      For many, God is one, but how they believe in different ways, not to mention how they pray in different ways. It was not the perfection of the human spirit (vanity, ambition, selfishness, and sometimes dense illiteracy) that allowed us to interpret only two or three books very often, so that for many centuries the blood has been pouring the blood of millions of people for the sake of very often worthless ones.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 22 October 2013 17: 49
    +1
    religions sow enmity and war, therefore, when the Soviet Union knew how to solve this issue
    1. yurii p
      yurii p 22 October 2013 18: 39
      0
      "religions sow enmity and war, so under the USSR they knew how to solve this issue" .... I completely agree, but only one thing, but now in power there are almost the same communists or former ones, but this question has not been resolved, the answer is that they cannot or do not want, the latter seems to me more true.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 19: 15
      +2
      Quote: Soldier's grandson
      religions sow enmity and war

      Notice, it is the Abramic religions. Before they spread around the world, wars were about money and territories. Nobody covered their ambitions with God. This is more honest.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 October 2013 17: 52
    -1
    The situation is worse for the Turkish leader T.Regip Erdogan. You will not envy the Turkish prime minister. He, like Abdullah, King of Saudi Arabia, made all bets on the victory of the opposition in Syria, and his own, from the category of Muslim brothers.
    Israel, as always, has nothing to do with it ... (although it inflicted air attacks on Syria more than once ..) and launched cruise missiles in the direction of Syria (like training exercises .. and it was a pure provocation to start a clash between the US and Russian fleets .. clash.) Chem. .weapons and it is not clear who applied (as it hushed up quietly quietly..type we don’t rush.) So think about who rules the world ..
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 22 October 2013 18: 46
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The situation is worse for the Turkish leader T.Regip Erdogan. You will not envy the Turkish prime minister. He, like Abdullah, King of Saudi Arabia, made all bets on the victory of the opposition in Syria, and his own, from the category of Muslim brothers.
      Israel, as always, has nothing to do with it ... (although it inflicted air attacks on Syria more than once ..) and launched cruise missiles in the direction of Syria (like training exercises .. and it was a pure provocation to start a clash between the US and Russian fleets .. clash.) Chem. .weapons and it is not clear who applied (as it hushed up quietly quietly..type we don’t rush.) So think about who rules the world ..

      Something somehow rudely rules this world. am No, to stand up like a peasant, heap a thread on someone and declare that from now on he will rule, and whoever will deign to do this, let him come out to a fair fight. But no, all some kind of intrigue, rats, provocations, mean things .... In his youth, there was a good weapon against this - "dark" was called. A bag on your head when you enter a room and silently, but strongly and from the heart! You can even kick. It really helps! Maybe arrange a dark one like that? Let him then prove that the unmarked planes were bombed here?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 22 October 2013 20: 09
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        Let him then prove that for airplanes without identification marks they bombed here?
        Only if you guarantee delivery of the rocket through the window of Erdogan’s office, so to speak, a personal present. But most likely, ordinary Turks who don’t care about Islamism or Kamalism, just to earn a living, will fall under the distribution.
  • yurii p
    yurii p 22 October 2013 18: 29
    +1
    "If in Syria they are beaten by B. Assad, then in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, they are persecuted by the monarchies that are considered friendly!" ,,,,, the author is disingenuous, he must know that the listed states are precisely the stronghold of radical Islamism and how they can persecute themselves, nonsense, nonsense, it's like, Serdyukov initiated a criminal case against Oboronservis against himself.
  • Gregazov
    Gregazov 22 October 2013 18: 35
    +1
    Quote: 6Sunrise9
    Insolent is your prophet ....

    One Orthodox priest described him (the prophet) as being somewhat milder, but was shot from a machine gun right in the church in central Moscow.
    1. nik6006
      nik6006 22 October 2013 19: 45
      +1
      from here in more detail please?

      Found, here:
      "Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation has identified a suspect in the murder of the Orthodox priest Daniil Sysoev, who was shot dead in the church of the Apostle Thomas in Moscow in November 2009.
      As reported by "Interfax", some time ago, at the traffic police post in Makhachkala, while providing armed resistance to the police, a man was killed, who was brought to check for involvement in the commission of crimes. With him was found a passport in the name of Beksultan Karybekov, as well as a pneumatic pistol, converted for firing live ammunition of 9 mm caliber.
      "At the moment, the investigation has obtained irrefutable evidence that it was from this pistol that Daniil Sysoev was killed," the RF Investigative Committee noted.
      and more:
      The "Information and Analytical Department of the Headquarters of the Armed Forces of the Vilayat Ingushetia of the Caucasus Emirate" claims that the murder of the Orthodox priest Daniel Sysoev was committed by one of its activists for the fact that the priest "defamed Islam."
      According to the organization's statement published on the website hunafa.com, the killer entered the room where the priest was, "and shot him several times from a Makarov pistol with a silencer, filming the execution process on a mobile phone camera." After that, the killer moved to the territory of the Caucasus Emirate in order to join the Mujahideen, where he became a martyr on the territory of one of the Vilayats. "" Unfortunately, the video with the execution of Sysoyev was lost, "the statement says.
      "We are not waging a war against peaceful Christians on the territory of Russia, but we warn everyone that anyone who dares to open his mouth to defame Islam and Muslims can share the fate of Sysoev," Interfax quotes a statement from Islamists. the same warning applies equally to all public figures, journalists and politicians who dare to defame the religion of Allah. "

      This is the difference between Orthodoxy and Islam, some are tolerant of everyone and convince with words, while others - "entered the room where the priest was, and several times shot him from a Makarov pistol with a silencer, filming the execution process on a mobile phone camera."
      Well, nothing, the Lord sees everything and will reward everyone according to his deserts, well, in this case he has already paid.
  • jekasimf
    jekasimf 22 October 2013 18: 48
    0
    Gentlemen. I recommend downloading and watching the documentary "The Ring of Power". It successfully systematizes what many of you know or guess.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 22 October 2013 18: 57
      +3
      Gentlemen do not live on this site! Gentlemen more and more in Paris and London!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 October 2013 19: 05
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    Gentlemen do not live on this site! Gentlemen more and more in Paris and London!

    I don’t know in Paris, but they’re moving to London slowly .. (they’ve already bought up the floor of London and are waiting ..) bully
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 October 2013 19: 12
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    The situation is worse for the Turkish leader T.Regip Erdogan. You will not envy the Turkish prime minister. He, like Abdullah, King of Saudi Arabia, made all bets on the victory of the opposition in Syria, and his own, from the category of Muslim brothers.
    Israel, as always, has nothing to do with it ... (although it inflicted air attacks on Syria more than once ..) and launched cruise missiles in the direction of Syria (like training exercises .. and it was a pure provocation to start a clash between the US and Russian fleets .. clash.) Chem. .weapons and it is not clear who applied (as it hushed up quietly quietly..type we don’t rush.) So think about who rules the world ..

    Here in the quiet they minus ..))) So I hit the point! Nice damn it .. bully
  • individual
    individual 22 October 2013 19: 14
    +1
    The author of the publication does not take into account that Iranian President Rauhani by and large does not solve global problems in Iran.
    In Tehran, the role of leader is played by the Great Ayatollah Khomenei (the Supreme Leader of Iran), and the presidents play the role of its guides in domestic and foreign policy. They create a tactical structure for the strategic big game of the spiritual and political forces of Iran.
    Ahmadinejad has made a nuclear program and has exhausted himself. Now they gave their word to Rauhani to improve the foreign policy climate around Iran in order to weaken the blockade of Tehran. But globally Iran will not retreat from its own, because it knows what happens to countries that are not protected by the "atom".
    In the USA-Russia plug, Iran has always and always enjoyed the support of one of the external forces. In this case, it is the USSR / Russia.
    Now the role of China is appearing and Tehran is not aggravating relations with the United States and is building economic relations with Beijing.
    Russia should consistently develop relations with Iran, expecting a solution to Syria and a future high-profile resolution of the sensitive issue on the Caspian.
    1. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 22: 07
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      Iran with nuclear weapons is not beneficial to anyone. Look at the composition of the five and understand for yourself.
      Do you know what is the worst? A religious fanatic with a nuclear arsenal is worse than a monkey with a grenade.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 22 October 2013 22: 25
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    Quote: lonely
    Do you know what is the worst? A religious fanatic with a nuclear arsenal is worse than a monkey with a grenade.

    You can’t even say right away that it’s worse. A panicky financial speculator on the verge of collapse (and with the same arsenal) IMHO is not much better ... what