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Ukrainian "Oplot" now has the Thai army

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Ukrainian "Oplot" now has the Thai army



Despite the hype that has not subsided around the supply of BTR-4 to Iraq, Ukrainian tank builders have once again demonstrated their ability to produce new models of heavy military equipment, namely - tanks. The other day, the Malyshev Kharkiv Plant handed over the first production batch of Oplot tanks to the Thai military. At present, 32 Thai servicemen are undergoing training on the maintenance and control of Oplot tanks at the Morozov Design Bureau. It is assumed that combat vehicles will be sent to the customer before the new year.

Recall that in September 1 2011 representatives of the Thai Armed Forces and the management of Ukrspetsexport Group of Companies signed a lucrative contract for Ukrainian gunsmiths to supply 49 units of the newest battle tank Oplot. The contract amount exceeds $ 200 million. The main contractor is the Kharkov plant named after Malyshev, and technical support is provided by enterprises that are part of Ukroboronprom.

Before signing a contract with the Ukrainian side, Thailand considered several options for tanks offered by global manufacturers. Among the options studied were the German tank Leopard 2A4, the South Korean K1, the Russian T-90, and the Ukrainian Oplot. Thai military experts have recognized the cost of the German tank too high. Why exactly the Ukrainian tank was chosen is not exactly known. There is an assumption that the Ukrainian combat vehicle was chosen because earlier 96 Ukrainian BTR-3Е1 had already been supplied to the ground forces of Thailand, and Thailand has the intention to additionally purchase 120 units of the same armored personnel carriers.

In April, 2012, the Kharkov tank builders began to fulfill the order. And 26 June 2013, the factory workers presented the first serial tank "Oplot", designed for the Thai army. The demonstration of the combat vehicle was held in the presence of the commission of the Royal Thai Army, headed by the commander of the armored forces of Thailand B. Sansavat. Representatives of the customer also discussed with the tank manufacturer the course of fulfillment of obligations under the concluded contract. Since the first batch of armored vehicles was prepared for shipment to Thailand with a delay of a month, it can be assumed that the manufacturing company faced significant difficulties. It is possible that the delay is associated with problems in the resumption of tank production after a ten-year break.


In addition, it should be noted that the information that the five first tanks for the Thai army are converted prototypes of the T-1990UD tank modified by Kharkov tank builders in 80 was “walking” in the network. If this information is correct, then the big question is whether the plant is ready for them. Malysheva fulfill the terms of the contract in full and on time.

Tank "Oplot" was designed to meet modern requirements for armored vehicles. A lot of technical innovations have been applied to equip it. For example, to enhance the security of a tank, the latest Dynamic Protection System Knife-2 is installed on it, which is able to withstand armor-piercing and cumulative projectiles. Since the protection architecture "Knife-2" is built on a modular basis, it can be improved almost constantly, with the development of dynamic protection technologies. According to the manufacturer, several technical know-how was applied when creating the Oplot armor protection.

In addition, Oplot has significantly improved its sighting system - a multichannel panoramic-sighting and observation complex PKN-6, equipped with day and thermal imaging channels, as well as a laser range finder, has been installed. The use of these innovations will improve the observation of the terrain - the target can be detected through the visual channel within 5,5 km, and through the thermal imaging channel within 4 km. But expanding the capabilities of the fire control system led to an increase in tank mass by 400 kg.

Tank "Oplot" equipped with the latest development of engine builders - engine 6TD-2E. The control levers are replaced by a steering wheel, which greatly simplifies the driving of a combat vehicle. The tank has a navigation system based on NAVSTAR and GLONASS.

Materials used:
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/248539.html
http://www.ukroboronprom.com.ua/ru/news/318
http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/10/16/655174.html
http://vpk-news.ru/news/17837
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/332910.html






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  1. Zoryana Mriya
    Zoryana Mriya 22 October 2013 08: 29
    +2
    GLORY TO UKRAINE!!!
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 08: 35
      20
      "Star Dream" - your country, or rather the Malyshev plant is just beginning its journey, and you have already gathered to celebrate, work, work and work again, fulfill the order on time and with high quality, and only then celebrate ... ... good luck and success in work. The path to the stars begins on Earth ..
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 22 October 2013 10: 17
      19
      Zoryana Mriya

      GLORY TO UKRAINE!!!


      What are you so! To the floor of the road! This phrase is followed by: "Glory to the heroes!"
      1. Kars
        Kars 22 October 2013 10: 29
        20
        Is it strange now because of these historical characters you should not use the expression Glory to Ukraine?
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 22 October 2013 12: 39
          +3
          Sorry, today without a dialogue - wet wipes are over.
          1. Kars
            Kars 22 October 2013 12: 41
            +3
            Quote: SHILO
            Sorry

            I forgive you.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 22 October 2013 12: 28
        +8
        Quote: SHILO
        What are you so! To the floor of the road! This phrase is followed by: "Glory to the heroes!"

        Ege Well, Iroi-plum;
        banana thieves! wassat
        "Fairy Russia". O. Tyagnybyk
      3. Basarev
        Basarev 23 October 2013 00: 06
        0
        Share the skin of an unkilled bear
      4. ikrut
        ikrut 23 October 2013 00: 58
        +1
        Quote: SHILO
        What are you so! To the floor of the road! This phrase is followed by: "Glory to the heroes!"

        I ripped off my tongue :))) And Kars is strange. How is it possible because of the Nazis not to "use" the swastika and ridge? It is difficult to explain to people biased by Svidomism.
        And the tank is really not bad. Even though it is assembled "on the knee" "from what was."
        1. Kars
          Kars 23 October 2013 09: 25
          +6
          Quote: ikrut
          How is it possible because of the Nazis not to "use" the swastika and ridge? It is difficult to explain to people biased by Svidomo

          It is usually strange that Russian nationalists say that the swastika is an Old Slavonic symbol.
    3. Starfish
      Starfish 22 October 2013 14: 45
      11
      happy for the Kharkov plant. such orders will help preserve the plant itself and its personnel.
    4. Siberian
      Siberian 22 October 2013 15: 03
      +9
      Or maybe the GLORY OF KIEV RUSSIA! After all, it was the capital, DO NOT FORGET. In general, well done. Let the brothers Slavs speak out against. I am united that Ukrainians (NOT BANDER), that Belarusians recognize their own. We have brains alone. Only unfortunately, the politicians are different. Everyone is trying to snatch his piece.
    5. Day 11
      Day 11 22 October 2013 16: 25
      +4
      ---Glory to the heroes!
    6. Crang
      Crang 23 October 2013 08: 36
      -3
      Che Glory then? After all, a tank Thai army. And the Ukrainian army has him no. Gee-gee-gee. The Ukrainian army has a T-34. So shame, not glory.
  2. TAIM
    TAIM 22 October 2013 08: 49
    19
    Well, congratulations to Ukrainian gunsmiths. Amid the general economic downturn, this is a good sign.
  3. leon-iv
    leon-iv 22 October 2013 09: 12
    0
    5 tanks for 1,5 years strongly cho.
    UVZ you need to order a white sheet wassat
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 09: 15
      30
      Quote: leon-iv
      5 tanks for 1,5 years strongly cho.

      In the conditions in which the "Kharkovites" work, they perform a real labor feat, since they work "in spite of" everything ... including the "care" of the authorities ...
    2. Akim
      Akim 22 October 2013 09: 51
      16
      Quote: leon-iv
      UVZ you need to order a white sheet

      What Kharkov tanks often intersect in Tagil tanks? Each product has its own customer.
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 October 2013 10: 05
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        What Kharkov tanks often intersect in Tagil tanks? Each product has its own customer.

        Often, as we not only try to occupy one "niche", but also offer "similar goods"
        1. Akim
          Akim 22 October 2013 10: 10
          +7
          Quote: svp67
          Often, as we not only try to occupy one "niche", but also offer "similar goods"

          Well then, we take both Chinese and Polish. All this is entourage. Tanks are bought not by TTX, but by political component.
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 October 2013 10: 21
            +8
            Quote: Akim
            Well then, we take both Chinese and Polish.
            In the presence of a normal amount of money and a sound mind - fakes are not quoted ...
            Tanks are bought not by TTX, but by political component.

            that I did not notice any particular popularity now among the T59, M60, apparently all the same TTX "matters ..."
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 October 2013 10: 46
              +5
              Quote: svp67
              Something I did not notice much popularity now with the T59, M60

              Do not bend. We take, for comparison, conventionally generation 3,3+ tanks.
              1. svp67
                svp67 22 October 2013 10: 49
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Do not bend. We take conditionally tanks of the 3,3 + generation.

                And I didn't think you were the first to mention the "magic word" - performance characteristics, and its significance when buying a particular technique ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 22 October 2013 11: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: svp67
                  You were the first to mention the "magic word" - TTX

                  Quote: svp67
                  we try to occupy one "niche", but we also offer "similar goods"

                  Your words? You, as a buyer, will not buy a penny instead of Grants, even though there is a political decision of the government to support its producer?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 22 October 2013 11: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    You, as a buyer, will not buy a penny instead of Grants, even though there is a political decision of the government to support its producer?
                    So I indicated the necessary conditions

                    Quote: svp67
                    In the presence of a normal amount of money and a sound mind
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 22 October 2013 11: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: svp67
                      So I indicated the necessary conditions

                      Counterfeit counts. In Bati MK we still have MK-2 (changes to MK cross). Let it not be Japanese Yaris, but the quality is quite satisfactory, and the price is one and a half times lower. Here the whole question is what would suit the buyer. Malaysia, for example, will no longer be interested in either Russian or Ukrainian tanks. and so minus one potential buyer.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 12: 02
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        Counterfeit counts. In Bati MK we still have MK-2 (changes to MK cross).

                        Accept my sincere condolences ....
                        Anything but China. Passed, barely "died" ... now we use the "Skoda" of the Kaluga assembly - beyond praise. I also have a Skoda, though it's Czech, but I don't see much of a difference, I don't see the acrome color ...
                        So again - condolences
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 22 October 2013 12: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: svp67
                        Accept my sincere condolences ....

                        These are stereotypes. I gave an example that is closer to mundane life. Ukraine is full of Chinese cars and they are half a head ahead of Russian and Ukrainian ones. And I suppose you all measure the parameters of the "Amulet"?
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 12: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim
                        These are stereotypes.

                        Alas, the truth of life ..
                        Quote: Akim
                        Ukraine is full of Chinese cars and they are half a head ahead of Russian and Ukrainian ones. And I suppose you all measure the parameters of the "Amulet"?

                        I don’t wish anyone to get into accidents, but on Chinese cars, even more so - they have iron "---" ... but it simply does not exist and there is a lot of "aluminum" where it should not be ...
                        Not one company that values ​​itself with the "Chinese" is not associated, it is better "Grant" or "new Kalina", nevertheless stronger ...
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 22 October 2013 12: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        m more - they have iron "---" ... but it simply does not exist and there is a lot of "aluminum" where it should not be ...

                        I speak stereotypes. I saw in the cabin how the thickness was tried by squeezing the rear wing or trunk. The same "experts." Will remember the folding Amulet, which in case of an accident hides in its owner. Yes, MK has more metal thickness than Aveo (now Types), and there are more pillows in the "base". And I saw a couple of cars being disassembled after an accident. One of them is even a shape-shifter. The owners, thank God, are alive. But in Kalina and Lanos (Chance) there are doubts. Although you can hit any car with gusto
                        The same thing when experts watch Chinese armored vehicles. The car must be felt, not judged by angry comments.
                      5. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 13: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        Yes, MK has a thicker metal than Aveo
                        "Shevrale" has not iron, but tin, not one "tinsmith" "does not take it to work", the comparison is not very ...
                        Quote: Akim
                        The car must be felt, not judged by angry comments.

                        The car needs to be operated for a YEAR, at least, and then draw conclusions, I made my own ... it was based on the results of "annual operation" and I repeat once again, today I am completely satisfied with Skoda and I will not look at Chinese "crafts" for a long time ... hi
                      6. Akim
                        Akim 22 October 2013 14: 11
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        today I am completely satisfied with "Skoda"

                        Skoda is a Skoda. Of course, it is better to take it if there is extra money and is ready to pay 18-20% of the loan. But the Chinese are in the same price range as ours (Ukrainian, Russian, Uzbek), and the percentage is not more than 12. My for three years dashed off 25 thousand, patina - for 80 tons. There are no big complaints. Consumables vary by mileage. Moreover, you can put Japanese counterparts. Aveo is not necessary. You can cite Kalina or Chance as an example. There metal is stronger than Vidovsky, but the same as in MK.
                    2. Babon
                      Babon 23 October 2013 02: 10
                      0
                      As for the Chinese, acquaintances had complaints about the decay of thresholds, and not only that. We have winter reagents. I don’t argue, where the climate is softer, there wouldn’t be such problems, but not with us.
                    3. Akim
                      Akim 23 October 2013 05: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Babon
                      friends had complaints about rotting thresholds, and not only.

                      Immediately when we sell from the passenger compartment, anti-corrosion treatment takes place. 600 hryvnia. Fucking, of course it’s better to do it in another place, but you’ll get off the guarantee. Before the first MOT it is better to be on it. You can completely change the car. This is a solvable problem.
              2. Kars
                Kars 22 October 2013 12: 13
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Ukraine is full of Chinese

                I myself took a 5-inch smartphone, full aji. 13 megapixels. It’s a Chinese brand. There are no complaints. Besides that, from old Nokia it can’t get through to it.)) It’s busy.
              3. Babon
                Babon 23 October 2013 02: 06
                0
                What about the battery? You can cram something, most importantly, so as not to sit down. I took HTC for myself, it was discharged stably after 6 hours (one mat was in my thoughts), but I took LG a day, it just keeps it. And if you didn’t use it, it only discharges by 6-7% per day, a completely different matter. Yes, and repair is much cheaper, changing the screen is 3 times cheaper.
              4. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 09: 28
                +1
                Two batteries included. For 2000 A. Discharges quickly. With moderate use, 2 days calmly.
              5. Akim
                Akim 23 October 2013 09: 35
                0
                Quote: Babon
                I took HTC for myself, stably discharged after 6 hours (one mat was in my thoughts),

                I have a Tiger and a Lifan battery. Holds a charge no worse than Nokia.
              6. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 24 October 2013 08: 00
                +1
                Quote: Babon
                What about the battery? You can cram something, most importantly, so as not to sit down. I took HTC for myself, it was discharged stably after 6 hours (one mat was in my thoughts), but I took LG a day, it just keeps it. And if you didn’t use it, it only discharges by 6-7% per day, a completely different matter. Yes, and repair is much cheaper, changing the screen is 3 times cheaper.

                My HTC One has been working for 10-12 hours, in the active mode, nothing surprising because the android is eating well.
            2. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 24 October 2013 07: 04
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Quote: Akim
              Ukraine is full of Chinese

              I myself took a 5-inch smartphone, full aji. 13 megapixels. It’s a Chinese brand. There are no complaints. Besides that, from old Nokia it can’t get through to it.)) It’s busy.

              What kind of device?) Meizu chtoli?
  • andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 23 October 2013 01: 34
    -2
    And Pts a large sheet - so that the stronghold is already covered nafig, all at once.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 22 October 2013 10: 12
    +7
    Quote: leon-iv
    5 tanks in 1,5 years strongly cho. UVZ it is necessary to order a white sheet

    In principle, production has just begun. While the process is debugged, while you agree with the suppliers. This is a normal period, unless of course the next five are done again not in a year.
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 22 October 2013 23: 43
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      Quote: leon-iv
      5 tanks in 1,5 years strongly cho. UVZ it is necessary to order a white sheet

      In principle, production has just begun. While the process is debugged, while you agree with the suppliers. This is a normal period, unless of course the next five are done again not in a year.

      They promise to deliver another 10 units by March, and the rest by the end of 2014, although under the contract they should have been by the end of 2013.
  • Nasty
    Nasty 22 October 2013 09: 15
    -19 qualifying.
    What for they put the whole TV on the tower, and even turned on their side? Show off? Like, plasma, right?
    1. Akim
      Akim 22 October 2013 09: 52
      12
      Quote: Nadyt
      Show off? Like, plasma, right?

      Are you kind of smart or should you cast your voice so that you don’t forget?
      1. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 13: 59
        +2
        So who will answer the thread anyway?

        Why did they install an anti-aircraft machine gun, which in the front hemisphere can be fired at from 15–20 degrees from each side?

        pysy And what is there on the sides of the tower? mos kalskaya "curtain"?
        1. roial
          roial 22 October 2013 14: 03
          +2
          You answered your own question

          anti-aircraft machine gun
          1. Evgeny_Lev
            Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 14: 08
            0
            Not funny.
            Tea is not 50 years, when it was still somehow possible to conduct shelling of enemy aircraft with the DShK. I doubt that now anti-aircraft machine guns are being installed as a means of combating aviation.
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 October 2013 14: 34
              +5
              Quote: Evgeny_Lev
              . I doubt that now anti-aircraft machine guns are being installed as a means of combating aviation.

              Read the materiel. They were returned against the helicopters. Apparently such stupid engineers in Morozov's design bureau forgot to ask you where to put the machine gun and panorama to them.
              1. Evgeny_Lev
                Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 16: 07
                0
                And where should the helicopter be located, so that this anti-aircraft machine gun can get it, when the angle of fire from 45 degrees to xs, there’s probably no option to put it under 90 degrees.
                1. lucidlook
                  lucidlook 22 October 2013 21: 12
                  +1
                  Well, perhaps the engineers when designing the tank took into account the fact that threats to the car do not necessarily arise only from the main gun. Here's how it usually looks in reality (if there is no burning desire to get to the most vulnerable area)


  • svp67
    svp67 22 October 2013 09: 18
    +2
    Quote: Nadyt
    What for they put the whole TV on the tower, and even turned on their side? Show off? Like, plasma, right?

    We learn materiel ... http: //topwar.ru/11197-tanki-oplot-i-yatagan-nadezhda-ukrainskogo-tan
    koproma.html
  • Sineys
    Sineys 22 October 2013 09: 40
    +5
    But the Bastions have a good chance to fight. There, it seems, the Thais have territorial disputes with the Cambodians about the land around a temple, even shot a little into each other.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 10: 34
      +6
      Quote: Sineys
      There, it seems, the Thais have territorial disputes with the Cambodians about the land around a temple, even shot a little into each other.

      The swamps there are "noble", at one time the most successful tank there was PT76, well, as they say - TIME WILL SHOW ...
      1. Sineys
        Sineys 22 October 2013 10: 50
        +2


        The Thai army dispatched more than 20 M60 tanks to Sisaket province on the border with Cambodia during an aggravation of relations in February 2011.
  • Akim
    Akim 22 October 2013 09: 56
    11
    There, at the beginning of the article, the political BTR-4 was remembered.
    Here is a small video. I liked how he calls in for gas.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 10: 01
      -2
      Quote: Akim
      I liked how he calls in for gas.
      Interestingly, only here Russia was dragged in as an "enemy", or maybe it's worth digging "deeper", I mean deliveries to Iraq ... God's lamb ... "
      1. Akim
        Akim 22 October 2013 10: 17
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        only here they dragged Russia as an "enemy"

        Why immediately "ENEMY"? Or in Russia, fashion is now such as "Popular Front", "Youth Left Front". Like reports from the forefront. A competitor is yes.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 October 2013 10: 28
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Why immediately "ENEMY"? Or in Russia, fashion is now such as "Popular Front", "Youth Left Front". Like reports from the forefront. A competitor is yes.
          Duck on the materials of the "video", they mentioned that Russia offered its armored personnel carriers in exchange for the "defective" Ukrainian ones, and that the other manufacturers remained indifferent in this situation? Here is the conclusion, which country, according to Ukraine, is to blame for the "troubles" of the "Iraqi contract" BTR4
          1. Kars
            Kars 22 October 2013 10: 37
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            , and what other countries-producers remained indifferent in this situation?

            And who besides the Russian Federation announced the expected delivery of their armored personnel carriers instead of the 4 armored personnel carriers? China? France? Finland?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 October 2013 10: 42
              +2
              Americans. Only there deliveries are not "supposed" but real.
              Dismantled this moment already on the site
              1. Kars
                Kars 22 October 2013 10: 45
                +5
                Quote: Spade
                Americans. Only there deliveries are not "supposed" but real.

                At what point?

                Iraq wants to buy BTR-82 in Russia instead of Ukrainian BTR-4: military top news of the week

                Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1713522.html#ixzz2iQlSMlAT
                Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.



                Iraqi Defense Ministry wants to buy BTR-82 in Russia instead of Ukrainian BTR-4
                24.09.2013


                Can I have something on the American article?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 October 2013 10: 53
                  +6
                  Iraq wants to buy BTR-82 in Russia instead of Ukrainian BTR-4: military top news of the week

                  Yeah ... This is the MIC corporation itself promoting itself. Initially, the message looked like this "Iraqis are interested in Russian BTR-82" which in Russian means: the Iraqi military approached the stand at the exhibition in Omsk and asked several questions about the car.

                  As for the Americans, a question for Akim, he gave a link. There on the site and about the supply of M113, and about the supply of "Strykers" in the version of RHBZ machines and about negotiations on the supply of modernized "Bradley"
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 22 October 2013 10: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    This is the military-industrial complex corporation

                    Well, is this a Russian company?

                    Quote: Spade
                    There on the site and about the supply of M113, and about the supply of "Strykers" in the version of RHBZ machines and about negotiations on the supply of modernized "Bradley"

                    And does it really cross over with BTR 4? Besides the striker in the Russian Chemical Safety Base? And most importantly there were mentions .. instead of Defective BTR 4 of Ukraine ..?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 22 October 2013 11: 09
                      +2
                      Sorry, the number of military units in Iraq is still limited. And they are hardly going to keep a double staff of equipment. So if they get thousands of mega-cheap M113, then the rejection of the BTR-4 is quite predictable.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 11: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        but the number of military units in Iraq is still limited

                        It is not particularly limited. Taking into account losses in armored vehicles during the pacification of Iraq, physical deterioration of equipment and TD. If at least to the level of half of the Saddam army of the 1990 model, then there is still to buy and buy.
                        M113 tracked armored personnel carrier, Bradley general BMP
                        Quote: Spade
                        And they are hardly going to keep a double staff of equipment.

                        Well, how to compensate for the loss if you have to fight with Syria or Iran?
                        Quote: Spade
                        thousand mega-cheap M113, the rejection of the BTR-4 is quite predictable.

                        here the question arises why did they bother at all, vet this feint with the M113 was conceived much earlier.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 22 October 2013 11: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, how to compensate for the loss if you have to fight with Syria or Iran?

                        Again at the expense of American storage bases.

                        Quote: Kars
                        here the question arises why did they bother at all, vet this feint with the M113 was conceived much earlier.

                        Along with your contract, Iraq from November 2010 to November 2012 received 440 M113 with the modernization and restoration of the resource for 163 million dollars.
                        Looks like it: precisely, efficiently, on time (BAE Systems are not ZiM). And besides, cheap.
                        And therefore, a contract was signed to transfer another 1026 units without modernization but with the restoration of the resource, which will cost them $ 51 million.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 11: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Again at the expense of American storage bases

                        Oh well. And why not Iraqi storage bases? Otherwise, they should still be kept, and kept at the American expense.
                        Quote: Spade
                        Along with your contract, Iraq from November 2010 to November 2012 received 440 M113 with the modernization and restoration of the resource for 163 million dollars.

                        We see that M113 and BTR 4 are not presykayuis.
                        Quote: Spade
                        Looks like

                        Well, the United States needs to do something extra M113, and why not increase it.
                        Quote: Spade
                        And therefore, a contract was signed to transfer another 1026 units without modernization but with the restoration of the resource, which will cost them $ 51 million.

                        Then why should they tell something about the Russian BTR 82A?
                        If, as you say, a wheeled and tracked armored personnel carrier crosses and mutually exclude each other.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 22 October 2013 11: 42
                        +5
                        Quote: Kars
                        Oh well. And why not Iraqi storage bases?

                        Because they are empty.

                        Quote: Kars
                        We see that M113 and BTR 4 are not presykayuis.

                        Do not overlap only in your alternative chronology. Claims on terms and quality arose during the execution of the contract for M113, the contract for BTR-4 was refused after the signing of a new contract for M113 at a price of $ 50 thousand apiece.
                        But they do not intersect because in this case, yelling about Russia's fault will not work.
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 11: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Because they are empty.

                        You do not find it logical to assume that they are filled?
                        Quote: Spade
                        to transfer another 1026 pieces

                        ))))))))))
                        Quote: Spade
                        Claims on terms and quality arose during the execution of the contract under M113,

                        But in terms of time it’s purely Ukrainian fault, so what does it have to do with it and our guns too))) So it doesn’t look like peresikyutsa)))
                        Quote: Spade
                        , BTR-4 contract rejection occurred

                        DISCLAIMER))) are you from an alternate reality))) Can an official statement by Iraq about the abandonment of the APC 4?
                        Quote: Spade
                        M113 priced at 50 thousand dollars apiece

                        Well, how do you explain the rumors about the BTR-80A?
                        Quote: Spade
                        yelling about Russia's fault will not work
                        Well, why, just recently, the Russian Federation intensified amid debt cancellation, and BTR-4 just intersects with BTR-80A (especially since it is cheaper, and Iraq needs to work out 4 billion obligations)
                      6. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 11: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, why, just recently, the Russian Federation intensified amid debt cancellation, and BTR-4 just intersects with BTR-80A (especially since it is cheaper, and Iraq needs to work out 4 billion obligations)

                        If this is SO, then I am only glad that Russia is a world-class power and have to reckon with it ...
                      7. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 11: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        If this is SO, then I'm only glad

                        But not me.
                        Quote: svp67
                        and forced to reckon with her ...

                        What can I say Ukraine did not write off debts to Iraq. It can’t give a loan for the purchase of its weapons, and only then forgive it.
                      8. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 11: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        But not me.

                        What can I say, I somehow do not doubt it ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        What can I say Ukraine did not write off debts to Iraq. It can’t give a loan for the purchase of its weapons, and only then forgive it.

                        To each his own...
                      9. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 12: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: svp67
                        I somehow do not doubt it

                        I'm glad that we understand each other.
                        Quote: svp67
                        To each his own..

                        Someone who argues. But you don’t need to be too widespread and hyperbolize on this one. Otherwise, poorly informed people will think that the BTR-80A is better than the BTR 4
                      10. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 12: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        I'm glad that we understand each other.

                        Honestly - I’m not very happy with such an understanding, but a bad peace is better than a good war ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        Otherwise, poorly informed people will think that the BTR-80A is better than the BTR 4

                        Each has its own "+" and "-"
                      11. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 12: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        Honestly - not very happy with this understanding

                        Why?
                        Quote: svp67
                        Each has its own "+" and "-"

                        But this will not cancel the amount.
                      12. svp67
                        svp67 22 October 2013 13: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        Why?

                        Because it is NOT MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL, but FORCED ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        But this will not cancel the amount.

                        If with the BTR82 the "sum" has long been known, then with the BTR4 the "answer" still needs to be received ... And this is another "+" BTR82
                      13. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 13: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        Because it is NOT MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL, but FORCED.

                        vryatli is my (our) fault.
                        Quote: svp67
                        then with the BTR4 "answer" still need to get.

                        Well, why. More than fifty BTR-4 are in operation in Iraq. And until now, the news of their cancellation, photos of through cracks in the Internet have not leaked. At least they should have.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2013 12: 07
          0
          Quote: Kars
          You do not find it logical to assume that they are filled?

          No, I can’t find it. Fill storage bases with purchased weapons only. The normal ones store cars that have served in the troops.

          Quote: Kars
          Quote: Spade

          to transfer another 1026 pieces

          ))))))))))

          What was that? I repeat in words: one thousand twenty-four cars. And in total, the Iraqis will have 1747 M113 armored personnel carriers. Three years later. This is five times more than Iran.
          Plus 1025 wheeled MRAPs: DZIK-3 and Cougars - to maintain order inside the country.
        3. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 12: 17
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          No, I do not find

          In vain.
          Quote: Spade
          The normal ones keep cars there,

          Few are fortunate enough to be a country of the former socialist camp.
          And to bear the defeat of such countries in general at least.
          Quote: Spade
          And in total, the Iraqis will have 1747 M113 armored personnel carriers. Three years later. This is five times more than Iran.

          And what's wrong with Iraq? At the same time, the Iran-Syria alliance is quite real.

          So, all the same, you should work with logic. This is not the first time I'm telling you this.
        4. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2013 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          And what's wrong with Iraq? At the same time, the Iran-Syria alliance is quite real.

          Well, if the alliance ... Then Iraq will have 2.3 times more armored personnel carriers than this alliance.

          Quote: Kars
          So, all the same, you should work with logic. This is not the first time I'm telling you this.

          This is unless I logically suggest that the Iraqis purchase armored personnel carriers not in the troops, but for placing them in a sump for old equipment. That Ukraine is pleased to do.

          Dear, if you only turned on a little brain, you would understand that Iraqi armored personnel carriers are no longer needed. Zataris in full. They need BMPs, of which they have only 434 outdated BMP-1s. That is why they, having included the logic, are negotiating the purchase of 200 modernized Bradleys. And they are not going to buy BTR-4 or BTR-82.
        5. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 12: 48
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Then Iraq will have 2.3 times more APCs than this alliance.

          So what's wrong with Iraq?
          Quote: Spade
          This is it I logically suggest that the Iraqis buy armored personnel carriers not into the troops, but to be placed in a sump for old equipment

          You do not make friends with the campaign at all. In the sump, or rather M113 will go to the storage BASES, and if you do not buy the armored personnel carrier, you will not get any reserves.
          Quote: Spade
          Dear, if you included at least a little brain

          So far YOU have not been able to prove that it is not turned on for me. The failures in the logic that I pointed out to YOU ​​are in your reasoning.
          Quote: Spade
          You would understand that Iraq no longer needs armored personnel carriers

          HOW MUCH IS IRAQ BTR? Tell me the number?
          Can you justify it?
          Quote: Spade
          are negotiating the purchase of 200 modernized Bradleys.

          Bradley is a BMP, and a car of a different class than the wheeled armored personnel carrier. It is strange that you do not know this. But once again they confirmed that you are not logical.
          As for Bradley, they also need up to a couple to the Abrams.
        6. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2013 14: 12
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          Bradley is a BMP, and a car of a different class than a wheeled armored personnel carrier.

          This is news, I did not know.
          He wrote in Russian: Iraq needs BMPs and they are buying Bradley, and then you immediately made an outstanding discovery that they are exactly what they are.

          And after that you try to write that you turn on your brains?
        7. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 15: 08
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          This is news, I did not know.

          I thought so.
          Quote: Spade
          He wrote in Russian: Iraq needs BMP

          Oh well? You wrote Russian
          Quote: Spade
          then Iraq no longer needs armored personnel carriers

          you were asked
          Quote: Spade

          HOW MUCH IS IRAQ BTR? Tell me the number?
          Can you justify it?

          And you're on a thug)))
          Quote: Spade
          and here you immediately made an outstanding discovery that they are.

          It’s for some reason you crossed them with wheeled armored personnel carriers when you started to justify your bullshit with Bradley’s purchase plans))
          Quote: Spade
          And after that you try to write that you turn on your brains?

          Who would say. The more you exert yourself, the more you show yourself funny.
        8. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2013 15: 21
          +1
          I was always interested, you really can not read, or just pretend to be?

          Here is my phrase:
          Quote: Spade
          Iraq no longer needs armored personnel carriers. Zatar in full. They need BMPs, of which they have only 434 outdated BMP-1s. That is why they, including logic, are negotiating the purchase of 200 modernized Bradleys.

          What could be incomprehensible for a person who knows how to read and who has a drop of brain?

          Well, so, pretend?
        9. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 15: 26
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Iraq no longer needs armored personnel carriers. They bought it in full.

          This is the third time you have been asked to prove this postulate. Where did you hear it? What official of the Iraqi army voiced it?
          Quote: Spade
          What could be incomprehensible for a person who knows how to read and who has a drop of brain?

          Even less is enough to understand that you are fantasizing.
        10. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2013 15: 29
          +1
          Once again I repeat the question: you do not understand what you read, or pretend to be?
        11. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 15: 35
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Once again I repeat the question: you do not understand what you read, or pretend to be?

          I understand what you wrote. And I understand that you do not want to justify your words. What else needs to be proved in relation to you? And your fantasies and insinuations.
          Quote: Spade
          contract rejection on BTR-4 occurred after

          When was the formal withdrawal of the contract?
          Dreamer, I call you)))))
        12. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 October 2013 15: 38
          +1
          That is, you wisely wrote that "Bradley is a BMP" just for fun?

          Well, stop making yourself stupid.

          Quote: Kars
          When was the formal withdrawal of the contract?

          Why do they need it? Can't the Iraqis wait to pay a forfeit? You just stopped accepting cars.
        13. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          That is, you wisely wrote that "Bradley is a BMP" just for fun?

          Still refusing to justify your words?
          Quote: Kars
          This is the third time you have been asked to prove this postulate. Where did you hear it? What official of the Iraqi army voiced it?
          For the fourth time.

          And he wrote that the BMD Bradley so that on this basis you would have guessed that they are not fit in a row with wheeled armored personnel carriers. And they have nothing to do with armored personnel carriers 4.


          Quote: Spade
          Why do they need it?

          So you lied about the refusal of the contract? We’ll write it down.
  • rolik
    rolik 22 October 2013 18: 16
    -2
    Quote: Spade
    What could be incomprehensible for a person who knows how to read and who has a drop of brain?

    This you had to write on the mov)))) and all at once it would become clear))))
  • rolik
    rolik 23 October 2013 10: 02
    -1
    Quote: rolik
    This you had to write on the mov)

    Look, the dude is offended)))) A strange position, to declare that he is Ukrainian and be proud of it. And then he disowned everything Ukrainian)))) oh well, his conscience is a judge, even pay attention to such people, do not respect yourself.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 October 2013 13: 35
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Oh well. And why not Iraqi storage bases? Otherwise, they should still be kept, and kept at the American expense.

    Americans know how to do business and every cent spent will be returned in "triplets" ...
  • Kars
    Kars 22 October 2013 13: 37
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Americans know how to do business and every cent spent will be returned in "triplets" ...

    And is it good to say? Or a terrible lack of Americans?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 22 October 2013 14: 14
    +1
    Of course. They only on the fact that it will not be necessary to store and dispose of them will save 81 million dollars.
  • Kars
    Kars 22 October 2013 15: 10
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Of course. They only on the fact that it will not be necessary to store and dispose of them will save 81 million dollars.

    which is the confirmation of my words
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Spade
    Again at the expense of American storage bases
    Oh well. And why not Iraqi storage bases? Otherwise, they should still be kept, and kept at the American expense.


    and xitate answer to the question will be?
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Spade
    Then Iraq will have 2.3 times more APCs than this alliance.
    So what's wrong with Iraq?
  • lucidlook
    lucidlook 22 October 2013 21: 57
    0
    Quote: Spade
    So if they get thousands of mega-cheap M113, then the rejection of the BTR-4 is quite predictable.

    And the rejection of the BTR-82?
  • svp67
    svp67 22 October 2013 10: 52
    0
    Quote: Kars
    And who besides the Russian Federation announced the expected delivery of their armored personnel carriers instead of the 4 armored personnel carriers? China? France? Finland?


    And even more than that, the Iraqi military department, referring to the fact that the contract has expired, announced in the fall of 2012 that it intends to initiate negotiations with Russia and South Korea regarding the supply of similar armored vehicles.

    Both on, one more country "drew" ... Believe me, "a holy place is never empty ..."
    1. Kars
      Kars 22 October 2013 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And even more, the Iraqi military, referring to the fact that the contract has expired, announced in the fall of 2012 that it intends to initiate negotiations with Russia and South Korea

      Still, a reference to the Iraqi military department. Moreover, already in the middle of autumn 2013.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 22 October 2013 10: 46
    0
    Russia will not break off anything there. Moreover, Iraqis have already thrown Poles with analogues of our armored personnel carriers.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 10: 55
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Moreover, Iraqis have already thrown Poles with analogues of our armored personnel carriers.

      It is strange, perhaps even here the "Russian trace ...". The Poles decided to take advantage of the problems of Ukraine, but this is "brotherly" ... The main thing is that it is not Russia ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 October 2013 11: 06
        +1
        On the contrary. They threw the Poles by signing an agreement on BTR-4. Ukraine in this respect is also not sinless, there is nothing to build virgins of.
    2. Kars
      Kars 22 October 2013 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      Russia will not break off anything there. Moreover, the Iraqis have already thrown the Poles

      But did the Poles write off 10 billion debts to Iraq? So do not be so pissimistic.
      Quote: Spade
      nothing virgins to build.

      And who is building it?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 October 2013 11: 16
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        But did the Poles write off 10 billion debts to Iraq? So do not be so pissimistic.

        Russia has long received its preferences on this receipt. In the form of participation in the development of hydrocarbons. And therefore, the Iraqis do not believe that they owe us anything.


        Quote: Kars
        And who is building it?

        You are building. Threw threw you. The law of conservation of kidalov.
        Only you somehow act strangely, you bark at Russia, which is not at work, but at the same time keep quiet about the real perpetrators of the scammers.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 October 2013 11: 18
          0
          Quote: Spade
          You are building. Threw threw you. The law of conservation of kidalov.
          Only you somehow act strangely, you bark at Russia, which is not at work, but at the same time keep quiet about the real perpetrators of the scammers.

          So they gathered in the EU, and not in the Customs Union, and there "they may not understand ..."
        2. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 11: 19
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Russia on this receipt

          but not at all, Iraq pledged to purchase military equipment in the Russian Federation worth 4 billion
          Quote: Spade
          You are building.

          I? Why?
          Quote: Spade
          Threw threw you. The law of conservation of kidalov.

          and so? After that, there is no need to announce who is standing (perhaps very possible) for problems with Iraq?
          Quote: Spade
          Only you somehow act strangely, barking at Russia, which is not at work

          Yes, of course, not in business, not around the aisles.
          Quote: Spade
          about at the same time about the real culprits of the scammers - keep quiet.

          And who is it?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 October 2013 11: 30
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            And who is it?

            Here I am about that. Of course, Russia is to blame for the fact that Iraqis are buying American armored personnel carriers. Who else?
            1. Kars
              Kars 22 October 2013 11: 50
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Here I am about that. Of course, Russia is to blame for the fact that Iraqis are buying American armored personnel carriers.

              So the rumors about the purchase of BTO-80A are untenable?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 October 2013 12: 09
                0
                The stump is clear. Don't you read other people's posts at all. Rumors are spread by Deripaska guys from the "MIC", too much pressure on them now.
              2. Kars
                Kars 22 October 2013 12: 11
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Clear stump

                Did you write this during the discussion of the news? And what will happen if you really deliver?
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 October 2013 12: 19
                0
                If they wanted a BTR-80 clone, they would have bought them from the Poles a long time ago. But they refused this contract, and the Poles flew for a pretty penny - they had already purchased BTR-80 from storage under this contract.
              4. Kars
                Kars 22 October 2013 12: 21
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                But they refused this contract, and the Poles flew for a pretty penny-

                And what kind of contract is this that does not imply forfeit when it is broken? What would the Poles fly into somewhere?
              5. Akim
                Akim 22 October 2013 12: 49
                0
                Quote: Spade
                If they wanted a BTR-80 clone, they would have bought them from the Poles a long time ago.

                The Poles did not have Soviet armored personnel carriers.
              6. svp67
                svp67 22 October 2013 13: 30
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                The Poles did not have Soviet armored personnel carriers.


                Eh ...
                In early 2007, Poland began regular deliveries of the BTR-80UP armored personnel carrier with an 8x8 wheel arrangement to Iraq.
                In June 2005, the Iraqi Ministry of Defense placed an order for the supply of 115 new and modernized armored personnel carriers. The amount of the contract amounted to 30 million US dollars. However, for procedural reasons not related to Poland, there was a delay in supplies.
                Currently, the supply volume is reduced to 98 cars. Instead of the missing machines, it is planned to organize the training process and the delivery of repair kits.
                In September 2006, Poland delivered three new BTR-80UP armored personnel carriers to Iraq from an armored personnel carrier maintenance and repair base in Nikolaev (Ukraine). The delivery was carried out in cooperation with the Ukrainian export company Spetstekhnoexport.
                The base of technical maintenance and repair in Nikolaev, in cooperation with other Ukrainian partner organizations, is developing the possibility of manufacturing BTR-80 machines for customers of domestic and foreign markets.
                In November 2006, 66 BTR-80 vehicles received from warehouses of the Hungarian Ministry of the Interior were delivered to Nikolaev for modernization. These vehicles will be rebuilt and modified for compliance with the standard for the BTR-80UP armored personnel carrier. Then, all these armored personnel carriers, with the exception of 4 products, will be delivered to the Iraqi army in the basic configuration.
                In addition, the Iraqi army will receive command and staff vehicles for the battalion commander (BTR-80UP-KB), command and staff vehicles for the company commander (BTR-80UP-KR), staff vehicles (BTR-80UP-S), armored ambulances ( BTR-80UP-A), reconnaissance vehicles (BTR-80UP-R), transport vehicles (BTR-80UP-T) and armored recovery and recovery vehicles (BTR-80UP-BREM).
                In addition, additional sets of documentation for training and repair will be delivered.
                For all BTR-80UP vehicles, an additional ballistic armor protection is provided, located on the sides and in front of the hull.
                The basic armament remains unchanged (standard BPU-1 turret with a 14,5 mm KPTV machine gun, 7,62 mm twin PKT machine gun, six 81 mm smoke grenade launchers) and communication systems, however, at the same time, the vehicles lose their floating properties.
                The water jet installation has been removed and the vacant space is used to transport additional batteries and equipment.
                In addition, some machines (command and sanitary) are equipped with air conditioners.
                Advanced MTO D-80 with an engine power of 300 hp replaced the standard turbo-charged Kamaz V-80 diesel engine used in the BTR-80 armored personnel carrier.
                The modernized machines used new tires and new electric and pneumatic systems.

                http://subscribe.ru/archive/state.army.armyguide/200701/22165555.html
              7. Akim
                Akim 22 October 2013 13: 48
                0
                But this is not their release, but used. Magyars, let's say they speak of their merit. But in fact it is the remainder of the stocks of the Warsaw Pact countries. They couldn’t get the right amount anyway. If there was a sale of Polish SCOTs or WHO of Wolverine, then you could argue that Ukraine broke the deal.
              8. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 October 2013 14: 15
                +2
                Do you think that they are somewhat different from those that have no analogues in the world of BTR-82?
  • Akim
    Akim 22 October 2013 10: 57
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Duck, based on the "video", mentioned that Russia offered its armored personnel carriers in exchange for the "defective" Ukrainian

    It was a question of an information attack by the Russian media. Indeed, our layman for the most part can only read in two languages, respectively, more perceives a negative reaction in this case. Although, speaking objectively, I have not seen such an attack from foreign sources (different markets with them). Only when in Qatar BTR-4M crossed with a Frenchman, then there were similar attacks on French forums and in their media. This is a general trade policy.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 11: 03
      0
      Quote: Akim
      This is a general trade policy.

      here I AGREE ... drinks
      1. klirens
        klirens 22 October 2013 11: 21
        +2
        There is a version that armored personnel carriers for Iraq, ordered for Americanos grandmothers - the Americans themselves did not work. They relied on variations on the BTR-70 or 80 in a modernized version, and received a completely different car. And they thought that Iraq modern weapons to the detriment. And then these cracks. Oh, by the way ... We pay grandmas - we order music ...
        1. PLO
          PLO 22 October 2013 12: 02
          -2
          This is not a version. this is a joke.
          1. klirens
            klirens 22 October 2013 12: 11
            +1
            And where to laugh?
            1. PLO
              PLO 22 October 2013 12: 25
              0
              after the word "harm"
              winked
  • Oleg Kharkov
    Oleg Kharkov 22 October 2013 20: 56
    +1
    An excellent "box". Thanks to Akim for the video from the inside. And Iraq just got drunk.
  • STALGRAD76
    STALGRAD76 22 October 2013 15: 05
    0
    At 1,11 min the control panel of something is there, well, if equipment in this version came to Iraq, then I understand their claims ......
  • Anthony
    Anthony 22 October 2013 20: 00
    +3
    yeah ... the refueling look is worth a lot. I saw this APC, it was driving just to the training ground, right on Moskovsky Prospekt in the city of Kharkov, where I generally live. I’ve gone and I’ll tell you weakly ... flew! not when I didn’t think that what they say in the news might be true. but just with the fact that it drives very fast - they didn’t deceive
  • Kars
    Kars 22 October 2013 10: 03
    +1
    The meaning of this article from Boval is not clear. Arrange a tank conversation?




    1. svp67
      svp67 22 October 2013 10: 12
      0
      Good afternoon hi
      Thank you for the T64 video, the sound of the engine, blue smoke, the smell of burnt oil is just not enough, but since in his youth ... By the way, the "man" on the armor - grossly violates the requirements of security measures, in any Western country, it would be for it was deprived of the premium and still a fine was issued ...
      And the video was probably made at the 115 tank repair plant
      Yes, and who are you, the good old T64BV1 going to sell? What are the reserves of T72 already exhausted?
    2. Akim
      Akim 22 October 2013 10: 22
      0
      Quote: Kars
      Kars

      Why was it painted in desert camouflage?
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 October 2013 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Why was it painted in desert camouflage?
        Hint - where are you going to sell, there is also French speaking, it remains to combine ...
        1. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 10: 28
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          there is also French

          Thais are entertained at the factory, and the tank was prepared for the Minister of Defense of Peru, who had passed the visit, but not repainted constantly.
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 October 2013 10: 36
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            Thais are entertained at the factory, and the tank was prepared for the Minister of Defense of Peru, who had passed the visit, but not repainted constantly.

            Yes, "every hut has its own toys." We are Indians, you are Thais ...
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 22 October 2013 10: 50
    0
    You have to be very smart to connect a number and an analog in one aiming system :))))))
  • Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 11: 10
    +1
    How to fire from an anti-aircraft machine gun due to an aim?
    Why such a large unprotected panoramic sight? Is it made of impenetrable glass?
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 22 October 2013 12: 27
    +6
    As for the delivery of the BTR-4 to Iraq, everything has been clear there for a long time, the point of our northern neighbors was burned that the Ukrainian product overtook the Russian one, there is even an article on the Internet how the Russian authorities did their best to impede the supply of Ukrainian BTR to Iraq. Brotherly people no matter how, sho tell me.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 22 October 2013 12: 42
      0
      Just go nuts as obstructed. To be honest, I don’t even want to comment on the next breakthrough, which ended in an epic fail, of which the assault, the hand of Moscow, is of course to blame, except for the obvious inability of Ukraine to produce armored vehicles. For a win-win position, it is much easier to blame someone for all your troubles than to admit that you yourself are sitting in a deep puddle.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 22 October 2013 12: 46
    0
    Tore off the deadlines for a year, eventually sawing off the heels of the old T-80, overpowered. That's when Ukraine surrenders all the tanks, then it’s possible to say something, but for now the file will be on the file.
  • Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 13: 00
    -1
    Independent brothers simply deliver joy with their comments. )))

    Floating on the ocean armored personnel carriers - Motskals are to blame.
    Non-firing guns to them are also to blame.

    HZ.
    But the Bastion, even on this photo, raises a number of questions. Well, the panoramic pano is awkward, it looks in front of the anti-aircraft machine gun. HOW TO SHOOT THAT? one way chtoli? Or with the turn of the tower?

    Hey, answer me please.
    1. Kars
      Kars 22 October 2013 13: 34
      +8
      I look already bursting with love.
      logic would be turned on and they themselves would have come to a conclusion.
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      Non-firing guns to them are also to blame.

      There is little - you refused to sell the guns to us. Therefore, you did it yourself - and the problems have already been identified.
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      Floating on the ocean armored personnel carriers - Motskals are to blame.

      There are suspicions, and the Russian media very strongly confirm them.
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      the panorama is awkward, it looks in front of the anti-aircraft machine gun

      And where is it to be? And the sector that is overlapped is rather minimal, and only for firing at ground targets forward in the direction of the cannon and the coaxial machine gun. So this does not cause any special problems. And how the tower rotates.
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      Hey answer me please

      Do you feel better?
      1. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 13: 51
        +1
        One thing, the fact that you called the firing sector "fairly minimal" suggests that you are either not doing well with your eye, or with impartiality.
        There you can see that 40 degrees in the front sector is completely absent. Moreover, the height of the panaramnik is such that it is possible to fire not only at "ground" targets, but at helicopters.
        Also, the length of the barrel of the machine gun (I just do not know what was installed there) is what? The question is that how close you can bring the barrel to the pan-frame, so that it would not be broken or smoked with flame from the shots.


        The rest is fireworks.
        1. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 15: 18
          +5
          Quote: Evgeny_Lev
          It shows that 40 degrees in the front sector, completely absent

          Are you sure? 40? maybe 23?
          Quote: Evgeny_Lev
          Also, the length of the barrel of the machine gun (I just do not know what was installed there) is what?

          You are so off topic that you don’t recognize a machine gun? Then what is your curiosity?
          Quote: Evgeny_Lev
          The question is, how close can you bring the barrel to the pan-frame,

          You would turn on the eye, and understand that this is not a problem.
          1. Evgeny_Lev
            Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 16: 12
            -1
            I understand that you can’t give a single concrete answer?

            Isn’t that a problem? Do you want to say that the trunk is shorter than the distance to the panoramic? Then did the designers provide for blocking the firing, at the moment when there is a panoramic on the trunk line?

            It's just that if you want to say that the barrel is longer, then my question is relevant, in view of the fact that 12,7 is not sickly "exhaust", and the soot from it is not weak. Powder stubs from glass, quite problematic to wipe off.
            1. Kars
              Kars 22 October 2013 16: 37
              +1
              Quote: Evgeny_Lev
              I understand that you can’t give a single concrete answer?

              Do you need it?
              Quote: Evgeny_Lev
              Do you want to say that the trunk is shorter than the distance to the panoramic?

              a little bit
              Quote: Evgeny_Lev
              then my question is relevant, in view of the fact that 12,7 is not sickly "exhaust",

              no not relevant.
              1. Evgeny_Lev
                Evgeny_Lev 22 October 2013 17: 29
                0
                Enchanting layout.
                The crew commander, observing from a panoramic viewer and noticing the enemy’s manpower on the left heading, must turn the tower up and then, during the turn, adjust the fire blindly. After shooting, go out and wipe the glass with a cloth.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 22 October 2013 18: 47
                  +7
                  Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                  Crew commander observing in panoramic

                  Are you aware that the pan ram rotates?
                  Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                  must turn the tower, and then, during the turn, adjust the fire blindly.

                  And why can’t he give the order to the shooter to start fire from the coaxial machine gun? And the machine gun has its own sights.
                  Quote: Evgeny_Lev
                  After shooting, go out and wipe the glass with a cloth.

                  Why? Already not talking about the fact that there is no point in shooting against the barrel in Panama, ending with the presence of wipers.

                  By the way, your nitpicking is pretty funny. But go on.
              2. lucidlook
                lucidlook 22 October 2013 22: 25
                +2
                Apparently, there are options:

  • Algor73
    Algor73 22 October 2013 13: 29
    +4
    It is hardly believed that under the current government, Kharkiv will be able to overpower this contract. And so I want! After all, still the image of the state.
    1. Kars
      Kars 22 October 2013 13: 37
      +7
      Quote: Algor73
      that under the current regime Kharkiv citizens can

      And what does the current government have to do with it? What do you expect from Yanukovych personally, for example? What will he do in the workshop? And without this, the contract will fail?
      1. klirens
        klirens 22 October 2013 14: 12
        +3
        The current authorities have appointed Salamatin to run the arms trade. Salamatin decided to teach Borisyuk and was sent by the general, for which this evil, stupid bull quietly merged the general. Now the KMDB is run by not the most worthy people. To put it mildly. It would be better if they did locksmiths ... The next stage is "optimization" of the property and the territory of the plant. And again - the authorities are out of business!
        1. Kars
          Kars 22 October 2013 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: klirens
          Salamatin decided to instruct Borisyuk and was sent by the general, for which this vicious bull-headed bull quietly leaked the general

          Do you personally know this? And do you know that Borisyuk was cool? Is Solamatin angry?

          Quote: klirens
          Now in KHKBM not the most worthy people are in charge. To put it mildly

          Are you from the factory?
          Quote: klirens
          ... The next step is to "optimize" the property and territory of the plant

          And what do you offer? The plant was designed for 800 tanks per year. Now are such orders real?
          1. klirens
            klirens 22 October 2013 15: 36
            +1
            Was Borisyuk cool - I don’t know, but the fact that he pulled the design bureau in the 90s, saved and increased - that’s a fact. And here is his assessment of current comrades and the situation:

            - And what can you say about the current head of the design bureau, Alexander Veretennikov?

            - Veretennikov, in my opinion, a competent inquisitive engineer. Since 2005, he was included in the reserve for the post of general designer. However, contributing to his promotion as a designer and manager, I, unfortunately, did not notice a negative trait in the character of my follower. It seems to me that he currently takes into account the role of the collective less than it should. There are experts, yet not everyone has fled. But now the outflow of very good personnel has already begun, since there is an order to switch to a two-day work week. Already about 50 of the best KB specialists have found another job.


            http://vesti.ua/harkov/16123-mihail-borisjuk-nam-nuzhno-dlja-svoej-armii-vypuska
            t-do-50-tankov-v-god
            1. Kars
              Kars 22 October 2013 18: 48
              +2
              Quote: klirens
              http://vesti.

              Quote: Kars
              Are you from the factory?

              does not come from the factory.
              1. klirens
                klirens 22 October 2013 21: 33
                0
                Did the News somehow distort the words of the general? Or the general has distorted the current reality in the design bureau. For the last 2-3 years, the current authorities have done so much that they will have to disentangle for a long time ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 22 October 2013 21: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: klirens
                  Over the past 2-3 years, the current authorities have done so

                  And what did they do then?
                  Quote: klirens
                  And the News somehow distorted

                  The requested page was not found.
                  1. klirens
                    klirens 22 October 2013 22: 24
                    +1
                    They didn’t do anything. Things are good. And, perhaps the two-day work week does not concern you specifically. Therefore, you do not understand.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 22 October 2013 22: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: klirens
                      They didn’t do anything. Things are good. And maybe the two-day work week doesn’t concern you specifically

                      I don’t touch one hundred percent. And how much do I need? And for what reason is such a work week? No money? No accessories?
                      And what is the fault of the authorities in this problem? What if Ukraine’s tanks are not in the first place now? Do you know that the British tank factory was closed at all?
                      1. klirens
                        klirens 22 October 2013 23: 11
                        0
                        The task of the authorities is to develop in the country what its industry can (could) do best. In our country it was rocket and space affairs, tank building, turbines .... We must invest in all of this in order to get a return through a considerable period of time. But they need a lot now. To grab and offshore.
                        And since "it doesn't concern me one hundred percent" - then what is it about ...
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 22 October 2013 23: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: klirens
                        The task of the authorities is to develop in the country

                        You begin to fall into demagogy. But I would like specifics. Do you possess it or not?
                        Quote: klirens
                        ..In all this you need to invest in order to get a return over a considerable period of time.

                        It’s not a fact that it can get. Especially tanks. Turbines work so well. Turboatom is loaded with orders for 3 years ahead. And the space industry cannot be raised without international cooperation.
                        Quote: klirens
                        But they need a lot now. To grab and offshore.

                        One is not a hindrance to the other. What happened to us from the latter?
                        Quote: klirens
                        And since "it doesn't concern me one hundred percent" - that's what it is about.

                        I don’t care about the two-day work week, as I understand it, at the Malyshev factory? I don’t work there. So, in fact, it doesn’t. But do you reveal the reasons, all the same? Is there still a rental model from Kramatorsk? Or something else?
      2. Akim
        Akim 22 October 2013 15: 01
        0
        Quote: klirens
        and that this evil dumb-headed bull quietly leaked the general.

        Snitches have always been. As for unworthy people. Zim is now led by the former director of the 115th armored, who sent both the current government in the person of Salamatin and the past in the person of Yekhanurov. The heavy infantry fighting vehicles of this plant had a taboo for showing to the public. But he won anyway. And showing the BMPT-64 and BMPV-55 for Thais this summer is the best evidence.
  • Akim
    Akim 22 October 2013 13: 57
    +4
    Quote: Algor73
    It is hard to believe that under the current government Kharkiv will be able to overpower this contract

    Politics is so politics. Will Klitschko come and blow his teeth? Or does the Rabbit scare everyone with its cropped carrot? FAC showed him when he was a speaker. These gentlemen came to politics in different ways, but certainly not managers. Yanukovych is bad, but these are even worse. One athlete (Honor and praise be to him, but only in this), another balabol. And so everything is in a row from that camp. And Gritsenko, Minister of Defense, for greater degradation.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 22 October 2013 19: 06
      +5
      The point is not only in Yanukovych, but also in his entourage. I am not from the factory, but I see what is being done in the country - as soon as something is profitable (from state-owned enterprises), it is necessary to change the leadership, to remove the enterprise from the "reservation" (those that are not subject to privatization), and then ... But enterprises of the military-industrial complex, in order to lay the golden eggs, need at least a little, before getting on their feet, to finance from the budget, to help them. The current government does not want to work for the future - just to make a jerk today, but more, otherwise I won't live to see tomorrow ... I'm not for Klitschko Yatsenyuk, they don't need the defense industry at all, they live in some kind of "pink" country, I am for professionals, who are fewer and fewer.
      1. Kars
        Kars 22 October 2013 19: 13
        +1
        Quote: Algor73
        , so it is necessary to change management, to remove the enterprise from the "reservation" (those that are not subject to privatization),

        Any rumors about privatization? And a lot of time has already passed since the Iraq contract. Yes, and so far the amounts are not that big. At the same time, Ukrspetsexport takes the bulk of the profit
        Quote: Algor73
        about getting on your feet, finance from the budget, help them.
        The plant named after Malyshev in its current form for state funding will be just a black hole.
        The state needs the purchase of weapons for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And with current finances, this is quite difficult.
        Quote: Algor73
        just to jerk today, but more, otherwise I won’t live till tomorrow

        It’s hard to say about Yanukovych; he is going for a second term.
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 23 October 2013 01: 09
          0
          With all due respect, you wishful thinking
      2. Akim
        Akim 22 October 2013 19: 13
        0
        Quote: Algor73
        I am for professionals, which are less and less.

        I support. But where do you get those up there? Generals usually become threesomes.
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 23 October 2013 01: 10
          +1
          yes no - licking
  • Laur balaur
    Laur balaur 22 October 2013 16: 38
    -6
    And still, back to the topic. It's no secret that "Oplot" is a modified T-64 Tobish, a tuned soviet tank, almost all new stuffing such as thermal imagers and rangefinders are all imported. There is nothing special to boast about as there are more interesting analogs.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 22 October 2013 19: 09
      +3
      At first I wanted to remain silent, especially about the revision of the T-64, but "... as there are more interesting analogs ..." I was intrigued, and what are these analogs? What is their price, performance characteristics?
      1. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 22 October 2013 22: 00
        +2
        Don’t you find fault with a person, maybe he doesn’t have enough communication!
  • vvkroxa
    vvkroxa 22 October 2013 20: 59
    +2
    The fact that some money for tanks came or will come in Kharkov is certainly good. I had to visit Malyshev. A depressing impression. Everything is ancient, breathable. In the leadership of any, even the lowest level, the scoop rides on the scoop and scoops it up, the plant owes everything to everyone, the salary is a rarity every six months, from the specialists there are only old people who have nowhere to go, young animals have no hoof, and even that nothing at all .. And the new, effective young managers, except for the show-offs, know nothing at all. What can be put together on a knee, what a good tank is a big question. What thread to repaint unless.
  • zoom52
    zoom52 22 October 2013 22: 06
    -2
    http://ahtungtank.blogspot.ru/2013/08/blog-post_1.html
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 22 October 2013 23: 19
    +5
    Well done! good

    Not thanks, AGAINST ... hi

    Good luck to the whole HZTM team !! drinks

    I would like to BELIEVE that: "UKRAINE has not died yet" !!!
  • geto123
    geto123 22 October 2013 23: 57
    -2
    but soon hona will come to everything if they enter the EU)
  • vvpll
    vvpll 23 October 2013 01: 07
    +3
    “The Malyshev plant is implementing a policy of reducing dependence on external suppliers and creating an independent tank production in Kharkov,” said Vadim Fedosov, general director of the enterprise.
    Link: http: //hvylya.org/news/digest/zavod-imeni-malyisheva-nameren-sozdat



    -zamkn
    utyiy-tsikl-proizvodstva-tankov.html

    Here is how the brothers Slavs from Russia helped him in the implementation of this plan:
    At that time I served in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. I remember very well how in the corridors of the department they discussed the desire of Ukrainians to get currency in Islamabad. “Nothing at hoh..lov will not work without us. And with our own hands we will not begin to dig our own export grave, ”said the multi-star generals, chuckling. The deal with the Pakistanis will fail, our strategists thought, because there are no tanks without guns. And the guns for the T-80UD were then made only in Perm. Naturally, the offer of Kiev urgently put them guns and thereby earn money on the deal, followed by a refusal.

    “Khokh..lam will have to put birch trunks on their tanks,” the Defense Ministry rolled with laughter. As it turned out soon, the forecasters were useless there. No wonder the Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering named after A.A. Morozov was considered the strongest tank-building school in the Soviet Union. They quickly found a way to do without Russia. It turned out that tank guns can be quickly mastered at the Frunze plant in Sumy, which previously produced heavy pipes for oil and gas production.


    . Previously, cast towers and some armored hull parts from the Azovmash mariupol were received here, but now their production has been eliminated there. An attempt to purchase cast towers in Russia also failed: the supplier requested such an amount that negotiations were immediately terminated. As a result, it was necessary to establish serial production of welded towers in Kharkov, for which the “tower” workshop was specially reconstructed at the plant.
  • Akim
    Akim 23 October 2013 08: 28
    +4
    Continuation of kin
    1. Crang
      Crang 23 October 2013 08: 38
      -3
      I watched the video. The engine does not drag at all. Like a moped. Tearing only. Our T-90A from idle would drive onto a conveyor.
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 October 2013 08: 47
        +2
        Quote: Krang
        Tearing only. Our T-90A from idle would drive onto a conveyor.

        Normally, he stopped by and the normal dynamics of the intersection. Another thing that growls. So it's push-pull.
  • Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 23 October 2013 23: 34
    -1
    Yes, the news is good. God forbid that now our Kharkov plant them is not covered Malysheva, especially after the signing of this moronic association with the EU. And in Europe they do not like our equipment. Because our tanks entered the European Union for the last time back in the distant 45th and it was the T-34 soldier
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 October 2013 04: 50
      0
      Quote: Vasily Klopkov
      . Because our tanks entered the European Union for the last time back in the distant 45th and it was the T-34

      Our tanks are there now. Another thing is that the trunks of many are already directed in the opposite direction.
  • LINX
    LINX 24 October 2013 00: 46
    0
    Camouflage net Contrast for Stronghold.


    Judging by the "pixel" camouflage, the tank is intended for delivery to Thailand.
    The multispectral camouflage network has several advantages over complexes such as "Cape". In terms of visual masking, the potential of the network is higher, since it has an uneven surface structure close to the structure of foliage or other background surface, in addition, the properties of the multispectral masking network are preserved even when wet, which is not typical for “Cape”. In terms of masking in the X-ray and IR ranges, the complexes have approximately equal values.
    In Russia, a similar set of camouflage nets called “Blackthorn” has also been developed. It seems that the cloak that appeared in the 70s will not gain distribution after losing to cheaper and no less effective camouflage networks.

    T-90 with "blackthorn"
  • Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 25 October 2013 00: 22
    -1
    Well, now, I did not have time to rejoice at the successes of our Kharkov plant, as I learn today from the news that the energy supplying company Kharkivoblenergo partially cut off electricity to the Malyshev plant, which is the largest producer of armored vehicles in the CIS. No, well, it’s as if specially someone is engaged in sabotage with us. Well, how can that be? But what about orders with all of these Thailand and others? Is it really not so interesting to our state that they are ready to destroy their own tank factory? am
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 25 October 2013 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: Vasily Klopkov
      Is it really not so interesting to our state that they are ready to destroy their own tank factory?

      Do you doubt the "capabilities and abilities" of your power? It’s strange that you have lived, I hope, for a long time in "independent Ukraine", you are still amazed ...
      I dare to say SO, because until recently, I was your "compatriot", born in the USSR and tasted ALL the "delights" of independence ...
      1. Vasily Klopkov
        Vasily Klopkov 25 October 2013 01: 16
        +1
        Yes, I no longer doubt the capabilities of our rulers. The fact is that this profitable and high-tech enterprise does not belong to the oligarchs, so no one is going to support it. By the way, but this "Kharkivoblenergo" belongs to the state. I would understand if it belonged to a private person. And then the state destroys itself. The Germans did even less harm than our government.
    2. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 06: 53
      0
      Quote: Vasily Klopkov
      that the energy supply company Kharkivoblenergo partially cut off electricity to the Malyshev plant

      You give the information complete, otherwise the Russian respondents are only "happy" for such a success. This happened recently with the tractor, which has already returned to work. And the day before yesterday I was in Odessa with the arrest of Markov, "Vesti" was presented as if he was a champion of freedom in Ukraine. And Markov is a bandyuga (should I not know as a resident of this city). And if he had been imprisoned 5 years earlier, that would have been more correct.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 25 October 2013 09: 17
        0
        Quote: Akim
        And Markov is a bandit (should I not know as a resident of this city). And if he had been planted years on 5 earlier, that would have been more correct.

        That's right! good All the bandits had to be jailed (as suggested by Yusch and Yulia on the "Maidan").
        Do you remember the slogan of the "Pomeranians": "The bandits go to the prisons"? Julia is already "sitting" repeat
        .And who will lead you to Europe?!? what
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 09: 47
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          ALL the bandits had to be jailed (as suggested by Yusch and Yulia on the "Maidan").

          This poz on the contrary rose in their times. Half of the country does not aspire to Europe (we don’t go, we don’t go), but it doesn’t want to.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 25
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Half of the country does not aspire to Europe (we don’t go, we don’t go), but it doesn’t want to.

            "Not to the SMART and not to the BEAUTIFUL"? Also, OPTION.

            Ukraine needs to live by its own mind, but it just doesn’t turn out very well ...
  • Knowing
    Knowing 25 October 2013 16: 22
    -1
    Quote: Krang
    Che Glory then? After all, a tank Thai army. And the Ukrainian army has him no. Gee-gee-gee. The Ukrainian army has a T-34. So shame, not glory.

    What minus it? Indeed, the truth in Ukraine itself is only a few pieces of strongholds.
    1. Kars
      Kars 25 October 2013 16: 29
      +1
      Quote: Knowing
      Indeed, the truth in Ukraine itself is only a few pieces of strongholds.

      for starters, they would write Ukraine with a capital letter.
      secondly, Krengi is a malicious spiteful tank-builder of Ukraine. I would like to look at his face when he read this news.
      As for Strongholds for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they are not needed as such. It is more expedient to modernize the linear T-64. In the best case, the BM Stronghold can be used as a tank commander / platoon tank.

      Less by the way for Ukraine with a small letter.
  • Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 25 October 2013 16: 45
    -1
    Quote: Algor73
    I am for professionals, which are less and less

    Here I am about it! The country's leadership does not understand that factories are not supermarkets, where you can teach a monkey to sit at the cash register and to distribute goods on shelves. You can’t learn how to make tanks after completing a short preparatory course. Invaluable experience is gained through hard work, and skill is honed over the years! But the authorities do not care much about this.
  • Getman
    Getman 27 October 2013 20: 57
    -1
    It’s just that the world is beginning to understand who made the tanks in the USSR and who copied the tanks
  • Getman
    Getman 28 October 2013 11: 18
    -1
    Quote: Evgeny_Lev
    Enchanting layout.
    The crew commander, observing from a panoramic viewer and noticing the enemy’s manpower on the left heading, must turn the tower up and then, during the turn, adjust the fire blindly. After shooting, go out and wipe the glass with a cloth.

    In your opinion, is it better for the tank commander to get out of the tower of the T-72/90 tank, to the figure of a machine gunner, and put it out on the floors from the Cliff? Long enough commander? And keep in mind that in the T-72/90 tank there is no panoramic sight as on the Oplot. This means that either do not use the cliff in battle, especially in the city, or have a stock of tank commanders
  • kelevra
    kelevra 26 December 2013 19: 27
    0
    Well done! smile Ukraine must be a strong country!
  • Kars
    Kars 21 January 2014 00: 55
    +1
    The 14 numbers on the chassis can be said to show that there is progress.
  • Yuri Chaliapin
    Yuri Chaliapin 3 March 2014 02: 11
    0
    super tank, in the event of a military conflict with Russia, 28 tanks Oplot m is enough for the Ukrainian army to stand in Moscow after 20 hours of war, and they cannot stop anything, undoubtedly the best super tank in the world!