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Integration: Pros and Cons. Survey results in the post-Soviet space were quite unexpected.

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Integration: Pros and Cons. Survey results in the post-Soviet space were quite unexpected.

The Center for Integration Studies of the Eurasian Development Bank (EDB) published the “Integration Barometer” - the results of the second monitoring study of the attitude of the population of the republics of the former USSR (with the exception of the Baltic States) to the integration processes in the CIS. The survey results paint an interesting and at times unexpected picture - some countries seem to have finally left the post-Soviet space, while the population of others, despite the position of the ruling elites, is still focused on integration with Russia.


The EDB Integration Barometer survey was conducted using a sociological survey method in the 11 states of the CIS and Georgia. In each country, a nationwide sample was surveyed from 1 to 2 thousand, the total number of survey participants exceeded 14 thousand. Attitude towards Eurasian integration was analyzed in three areas: economic, political and socio-cultural attraction, each of which included a separate set of issues. The first study of this kind was conducted by the EDB Center for Integration Studies in 2012 (Turkmenistan did not participate in it), which made it possible to trace a number of indicators over time.

One of the features of the study is that the participating countries take different positions with regard to Eurasian integration. Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan have already formed the Customs Union, which will soon be transformed into a Eurasian Union. Therefore, the population of these countries in the course of the survey answered the question about the attitude not to the prospects for future integration, but to its real fruits. Ukraine and Moldova at the November summit of the Eastern Partnership in Vilnius are going to sign an association agreement with the EU. In both countries, with the money of the European Union, there is a powerful information campaign, designed to convince people of the benefits of the association, which undoubtedly affects public sentiment.

The third group of countries consists of candidates for membership in the Customs Union, which include Kyrgyzstan and, more recently, Armenia, which for the sake of it refused an agreement with the EU. Tajikistan is adjacent to this group, the leadership of which declared the possibility of joining the Customs Union, without taking any practical steps, however. Finally, there is still a group of “non-aligned” countries - Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, which for many reasons are not going to join the Customs and Eurasian Unions. In all these states, the attitude towards Eurasian integration turned out to be different, and it is determined not only by the sympathies and interests of the population itself, but also by the position of the ruling elites and the media controlled by them.

The attitude to the Customs Union within its “core” - Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus - paints a rather positive picture. From 2 / 3 to 3 / 4, the population of the founding states of the CU perceives it positively. True, compared with 2012, the level of a positive attitude towards the CU in two of the three countries of the union showed a negative trend, falling from 80 to 73% in Kazakhstan and from 72 to 67% in Russia. But this is most likely due to the consequences of the second wave of the economic crisis, which became noticeable just over the course of 2013. In Belarus, the level of a positive attitude towards the CU compared to 2012, on the contrary, increased from 60 to 65%. Belarus was also the only one among the CU countries where the level of negative attitudes towards the Customs Union decreased twice (from 6 to 3%), while in Russia it remained at the same level (5%), and in Kazakhstan it grew from 4 to 6%.

In the majority of “third” CIS countries, the Customs Union has a positive attitude from 1 / 2 to 3 / 4 population, and only in Azerbaijan their share is only 37%. Oddly enough, the leader in the positive perception of the CU was Uzbekistan (77%), which not only does not plan to join the union, but defiantly refused to participate in the CSTO and EurAsEC. Tajikistan is in second place in terms of a positive attitude towards the CU (75%), followed by Kyrgyzstan (72%), Armenia (67%), Georgia (59%), Moldova (54%), Ukraine (50%) and Turkmenistan ( 50%). It is noteworthy that the level of positive perception of the CU in Georgia, with which Russia does not develop relations, is significantly higher than in Moldova and in Ukraine, which are much closer to the Russian Federation.

This is reflected in the results of an active PR campaign in favor of an association with the EU, which has been actively pursued recently. Her results were not long in coming. If in Georgia the share of negatively adjusted to the CU was 16%, in Moldova - 24%, and in Ukraine - 28%.

Residents of Azerbaijan are most negatively disposed towards Eurasian integration, 53% of whom responded negatively to the question about their attitude to the CU and only 37% answered positively. This is the only CIS country where the share of negative answers exceeds positive ones. In mental terms, Azerbaijan has actually left the post-Soviet space, and is more focused on Turkey, the US and the EU than on the CIS countries and Russia. In many respects, the position of Azerbaijanis is determined by the smoldering conflict with Armenia due to Nagorno-Karabakh and the role of Russia as a military-political ally of Armenia. But it is interesting that in Georgia, just five years ago, who fought with Russia, the share of negatively related to the CU is three times lower, and positively - one and a half times higher. Azerbaijan is affected by a higher standard of living associated with the availability of export revenues from the sale of oil and gas resources, as well as the popularity of the Turkish model of society and the state, which is considered a kind of Turkic archetype. It is no coincidence that Azerbaijan is the most active supporter of the Turkic integration, to which other Turkic-speaking CIS countries do not show much interest.

The lowest level of negative attitudes towards the CU is recorded in the countries of Central Asia. Moreover, in Tajikistan (3%), Uzbekistan (5%) and Turkmenistan (9%), the first of which considers the possibility of membership in the union only in perspective (after Kyrgyzstan), and the other two do not even think about integration, the negative attitude towards the CU is much less lower than in Kyrgyzstan (14%), which is already at the stage of developing accession mechanisms. Such a situation may indicate both insufficient information efforts on the part of the Customs Union itself, as well as a conscious policy on the part of the Kyrgyz elites, fearing loss of income, and serving the interests of the media community. In the countries of the Caucasus is the opposite situation. The lowest level of negative attitude towards the CU is observed in Armenia, which recently decided to join it, while Georgia and Azerbaijan are leading by a negative perception of the union.

It is interesting to compare the attitude towards integration in the republics of the former USSR and the EU countries. According to the Eurobarometer, the population of the current EU members generally perceives participation in it positively, but the level of positive assessments varies at the level of 50% (in the CU countries it ranges from 2 / 3 to 3 / 4). Moreover, in some EU countries (Great Britain, Hungary, Italy, Austria, Latvia, Greece, Cyprus) the share of negative evaluations is comparable with positive ones or even exceeds them. Of the six EU candidate countries only in Macedonia and Montenegro, the share of positive European integration ratings exceeds 50%. In the CIS, the share of positive assessments does not fall below 50% anywhere else, except for Azerbaijan, while in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan it reaches 3 / 4 of the total population.

That is, the attitude towards Eurasian integration in the existing CU countries and other post-USSR republics looks much more positive than the perception of European integration in the current and future EU territory.

The economic attractiveness of various countries of the world is estimated by the inhabitants of the CIS in different ways. The population of more prosperous living standards of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan is considered economically more attractive by the United States and the European Union countries (Russia plays a similar role in Kazakhstan). This applies both to consumer preferences (goods) and to assessing the attractiveness of countries in terms of importing investments and labor resources. In other CIS countries a somewhat different picture emerges. The countries of the “rest of the world” located outside the borders of the CIS and the EEC became the most attractive source of investment for them. China has become such a country for Tajikistan, the United States for Georgia, Japan for Uzbekistan, and Turkey for Azerbaijan. In Georgia and Uzbekistan, compared with 2012, there is a noticeable increase in interest in investments from the CIS countries. And in Georgia in the first place as a source of capital among the countries of the Commonwealth was not Russia, but Ukraine.

As a country where people would like to get an education, neither Russia nor other CIS countries have any particular competitive advantages. Republics of the former USSR as a place of receiving education dominate only in Tajikistan (52%), Kyrgyzstan (48%) and Turkmenistan (44%), where there is a high demand for studies in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. EU countries for education most often indicated residents of Georgia (58%), Armenia (47%) and Ukraine (45%). And in Europe, the inhabitants of Russia (34%), Belarus (33%) and Kazakhstan (32%) would also like to study.

Such statistics indicate an important and not very pleasant trend for Russia. With the exception of individual states of Central Asia, it is losing ground as a research and educational center for the CIS, setting the tone in key areas of modern science.

The consequences of this negative trend will be long-playing. Students who have been educated with the United States and the European Union will be oriented towards other educational and cultural standards, which will inevitably lead to weakening the still strong humanitarian ties between the CIS countries.

In the field of political and military cooperation, there is no such spread of opinions as in the sphere of economy and culture. The population of the majority of the post-Soviet states in the politico-military respect is focused on the CIS countries. The exceptions are Georgia and Azerbaijan, preferring to cooperate with the United States and the EU. At the same time, Russia is regarded as a friendly country by more than 90% of the population of Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, more than 80% by Kazakhstan and Belarus, and more than 70% by Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Moldova. As a “main friend” within the CIS, Russia did not make it to the first place only in Azerbaijan, whose residents preferred Georgia, and Georgia itself, which considers Ukraine and Azerbaijan as its main partners. A key partner outside the CIS for residents of Azerbaijan, as expected, is Turkey (47%), and Georgia - the United States (56%). And their value is several times higher than Russia, which their population does not perceive as friendly.

Estimates by the population of the prospects for the further development of integration processes in the CIS are ambiguous. The number of those who believe that the republics of the former USSR will move away from each other, more inclined towards rapprochement only in Azerbaijan. A negative view on Eurasian integration is held by 1 / 5 residents of Ukraine, Moldova and 1 / 6 - Georgia, Armenia and Kyrgyzstan. And in Kyrgyzstan, their share for the year increased from 9 to 13%. Although, in general, the percentage of “integrationally” adjusted population in all the CIS countries, except Azerbaijan, is more “anti-integrationists”. Processes of rapprochement of the CIS countries will dominate in the opinion of 2 / 3 residents of Uzbekistan, around 1 / 2 - Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and more than 40% - Turkmenistan, Belarus and Russia.

The overall survey results paint a very heterogeneous picture. While politically and politically, the CIS states still consider Russia and other former Soviet republics as allies (with the exception of countries with long-lasting bilateral conflicts like Armenia-Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan-Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan-Uzbekistan), they are often oriented in the economic and humanitarian sphere on the “rest of the world” states. Russia is still the center of gravity for the people of Central Asia, but the situation is different in the South Caucasus. Azerbaijan is focused on relations with Turkey and the United States, and Georgia maintains a rather strong orientation towards the United States and the European Union, although the sympathy of its population for the CU has increased markedly compared to last year. Pro-European sentiments over the past year are intensifying in Ukraine and Moldova.

In the mental-psychological sphere, the process of fragmentation of the post-Soviet space continues, often directed by external players.

In some places, the process of disintegration of the republics of the former USSR, by all appearances, has already become irreversible, and attempts to include problematic and negative-minded states in it will only negatively affect the final results of integration.
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  1. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 22 October 2013 15: 20
    +8
    Center for Integration Studies of the Eurasian Development Bank (EDB) - WHAT FOR THE STRUCTURE I HEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME and I am always wary of any polls and studies - too often ears of interested people and countries stick out from them.
    1. MG42
      MG42 22 October 2013 15: 30
      +7
      The poll is called impossible to grasp the immensity, there are too many numbers, I’ll say that in Ukraine we have many local polls, the numbers are different, sociology is a delicate thing, and there are very few independent firms that may not exist at all, because someone pays for the poll, this someone can place an order how to sample respondents ..
      In mental terms, Azerbaijan has actually left the post-Soviet space, and is more oriented to Turkey, the USA and the EU than to the CIS countries and Russia.

      Naturally, Turkey, not only on the mental plane, but actually left the whole Baltic, joining NATO 2004 and the EU ..
      Georgia seeks there more ..
      1. Civil
        Civil 23 October 2013 08: 32
        0
        We need to raise the economy, culture and education, and not reach for Tachikiston
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 16: 11
      +9
      Most surprised by the results of a survey in Georgia. Another argument in favor of the fact that it is not necessary to judge the People by their leaders.
    3. dmitrich
      dmitrich 23 October 2013 04: 57
      0
      I wonder who finances this EDB?
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 23 October 2013 12: 12
        0
        What is there to guess? If the majority is for the vehicle, then the survey was funded from Russia. There would be results for the EU, then from Brussels.
  2. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 22 October 2013 15: 23
    +5
    This is reflected in the results of an active PR campaign in favor of an association with the EU, which has been actively pursued recently. Her results were not long in coming. If in Georgia the share of negatively adjusted to the CU was 16%, in Moldova - 24%, and in Ukraine - 28%.


    How can I resist when they promise salaries and pensions 5 times more:

    1. Vorchun
      Vorchun 22 October 2013 15: 39
      10
      Well, well, the Baltic states already live happily ever after, they are already head over heels in Europe. I won’t say for the entire Baltic, but in Lithuania the able-bodied population, young and not very, scattered throughout Europe in search of work.
      1. Sour
        Sour 22 October 2013 16: 19
        +8
        Quote: Vorchun
        but in Lithuania the able-bodied population, young and not very, scattered throughout Europe in search of work.

        I know one Lithuanian who went to Russia in search of a job. He works as an electrician and a diagnostician in a car service, and even moved his wife here.
        I think that he is not alone here.
      2. smile
        smile 22 October 2013 16: 23
        +3
        Vorchun
        More specifically, 600 thousand of the less than three million people in Lithuania. Every fifth Lithuanian guest worker.
      3. pensioner
        pensioner 22 October 2013 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Vorchun
        Well, well, the Baltic states already live happily ever after, they are already head over heels in hebopera.
        heb= F repeat
    2. MG42
      MG42 22 October 2013 15: 41
      +7
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      How can I resist when they promise salaries and pensions 5 times more:

      Who does this Rabbit Senya promise? So promise, as you know, is not to marry .. wink
      Senya is silent about how much European communal tariffs will increase, and salaries will actually be Ukrainian, since investors will not immediately pour into Ukraine, fearing corruption and the arbitrariness of local officials, and Ukraine’s loans now do not particularly give the IMF the conditions it sets to unfreeze the lending program ..
    3. Orik
      Orik 22 October 2013 15: 42
      +7
      What to talk about with people who believe in fairy tales. Look, the pyramids still promise and in fact carry money. "You don't need a knife for a fool, show him a copper penny and do with him what you want."
    4. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 22 October 2013 15: 44
      +4
      in hryvnias it will be 5 times more, after the fall in the purchasing power of the hryvnia 10 times
    5. hrych
      hrych 22 October 2013 15: 48
      +4
      Pensions are five times, the hryvnia is ten to green.
    6. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 22 October 2013 16: 47
      0
      I'm sorry that is not the topic, hi What in Zaporozhye for threshing, arrests, searches!
      As reported, last night in Boryspil near Kiev, the Zaporozhye "overseer" Yevgeny Anisimov was detained by the ubopists while trying to leave the country. According to media reports, he tried to flee to Greece. At the same time his brother Vyacheslav was detained in the Zaporozhye office on Angolenko. He barricaded himself with a group of people in the room. Law enforcers had to open the door with a chainsaw. Let us remind you that in August of this year in the center of Zaporozhye a motorcade of the beholder was shot from an automatic weapon. Then the businessman was miraculously not hurt. Later, a suspect in this crime was "taken" in Crimea. Apparently, he told law enforcement officers about the motives of his act, which became decisive in the decision to arrest the odious businessman. Yesterday evening in the Zaporozhye mass media there was information about the detention of the mayor and the governor, who have close ties with Yevgeny Anisimov. However, it was not confirmed. According to political scientist Andrey Zolotarev, after the arrest of the authority of "Anisim" (Yevgeny Anisimov), many Zaporozhye politicians are now preparing to flee the country.http://zptown.at.ua/news
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 22 October 2013 19: 08
        0
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Sorry that is not the topic, What is in Zaporizhia for threshing, arrests, searches!

        I think that as in the film "Highlander" there should be only one left. And this is V.F. Yanukovych. So they clean up the rest of the "authorities". But this is so, the thoughts of the layman ...
      2. morpex
        morpex 22 October 2013 23: 02
        0
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Sorry that is not the topic, What is in Zaporizhia for threshing, arrests, searches!



        People are perplexed - why did Yanukovych arrest his protege, the bandit Anisim? Why was the Kremlin clown arrested today, a bandit Markov who conscientiously sponsored a long time PR? Some cokes, Kwasniewski and other Westerwells are more annoying than hungry flies to demand “indiscriminate justice” from Viktarfyodyrych. Here he demonstrates it with all his might! Such an impression, cheap the cheating tricks of the mezhigorsky führer still only he believes. Everyone else is already looking tiredly at his pathetic attempts and, smiling indulgently, pretend to believe.
        In fact, in any scenario, Yanukovych is a political corpse.
        He won’t release Yulia, he won’t receive the Association — he’s 3,14zdets.
        He will risk, foolishly, let him out again 3,14zdets. Not immediately, of course, but irrevocably and without alternative.
    7. Corneli
      Corneli 22 October 2013 16: 57
      +9
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      How can I resist when they promise salaries and pensions 5 times more:

      Forgive God, to believe Yatsenyuk (like Yulichka's receiver) in such matters, it's like taking Tyagnibok (the leader of Svoboda) seriously about the "adequacy" of relations with the Russian Federation!
      P.S. It's even strange why "Freedom"? Why not "Nezalezhnist")? laughing
      P.P.S. Hare already put this bald Jew (Yatsenyuk) in the "voice of Ukraine"! He won't be president! And he is in opposition (this is about the "good" video)
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 22 October 2013 23: 09
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        why "Freedom"? Why not "Nezalezhnist")
        The word is not yet overused. Most of the people are already pulling, at least, to swear from "nezalezhnisti", which was not promised under this sauce ... lol
      2. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 23 October 2013 00: 44
        +2
        Corneli
        P.S. It's even strange why "Freedom"? Why not "Nezalezhnist")?


        so I hope I have European image makers advised smile !
        non-neglect it does not sound independence! Well, something for such a party of independence - for a long time it is not clear who is independent from Kago is independent why why and the truth is already a hackneyed word)) well and so on ..
        another thing is the word FREEDOM! it sounds loudly proudly beautiful and although of course freedom from kago and so on is also incomprehensible .. well, here it’s not important anymore the main thing is that it fits well by ear)))
    8. uizik
      uizik 22 October 2013 18: 01
      +5
      Gently lay, hard to sleep! Why do they need European pensions and salaries, they still have higher roofs! This physics, unshaven in the hands of a heavier ballpoint pen, did not hold anything! For that sweet song sings about European integration!
      1. morpex
        morpex 22 October 2013 20: 54
        +1
        Quote: uizik
        For that sweet song sings

        And he is like a crap in a tavern. Who pays more and sings ... lol
    9. morpex
      morpex 22 October 2013 20: 46
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      How can I resist when they promise salaries and pensions 5 times more:

      The reason is the information campaign conducted by Russia, the steps taken against Ukraine. The lack of Ukrainian goods on the Russian market, the blocking of borders, harsh statements by the Russian leadership to our country. All this led to the fact that Ukrainians began to look towards Europe more often than towards Russia. If you work with a club, if you are beaten, will you support the one who beats you? That is how Ukrainians took Russia's steps. Because of this policy, the attitude of Ukrainians not to Russians, but to Russia as a country is deteriorating. This is unambiguous. And this is a consequence of the actions of Russia as a state in relation to Ukraine as a state.
      Gingerbread Europe, Russia whip. Question - what will a simple layman choose?
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 22 October 2013 23: 21
        +3
        Quote: morpex
        The reason is the information campaign conducted by Russia, the steps taken against Ukraine.

        In, Russia is to blame for everything .... smile
        morpexmay be enough to look at Russia, on the principle that it must do something. Each country has its own interests, just sucks that all these games affect people, and from all sides.
        1. morpex
          morpex 22 October 2013 23: 28
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          In, Russia is to blame for everything ....

          Do not confuse the concept. I do not blame Russia for something, but only try to explain why the mood of ordinary Ukrainians has changed in relation to Russia as a state.
          Quote: Russ69
          morpex, it’s enough to look at Russia, on the principle that it should do something.

          Read my comments carefully. Not one of my part makes any mention of any debts.

          Quote: Russ69
          Each country has its own interests, just sucks that all these games affect people, and from all sides.

          And here I shake my hand. I agree. hi
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 23 October 2013 00: 23
            +2
            Quote: morpex
            Read carefully my comments.

            I read it VERY carefully, you write about some mythical batons that Russia allegedly pounds Ukraine, but Russia does not touch Ukraine with a finger, all this in your sore brain and does not affect the opinion of ordinary Ukrainians regarding Russia.
            1. morpex
              morpex 23 October 2013 01: 18
              -2
              Quote: Setrac
              some mythical batons,

              Problems at customs for Ukrainian goods, bans on the import of allegedly low-quality meat, milk, sweets, etc. Isn't that a club for you? Another interesting fact. Recently from St. Petersburg. Entrance to the Hermitage for Russians, Belarusians -150 rubles., For Ukrainians -400! THIS WHAT? On whom do these actions affect? In Yanukovych? Or in ordinary Ukrainians?

              Quote: Setrac
              all this in your inflamed brain and

              Well, why insults? Dear, got up on the wrong foot today? How's Semyonich "You Zin run up against rudeness, you strive to offend everything ...." Or do you want to piss me off? It won't work. So let off some steam and try to communicate normally. Or you can't?
              Quote: Setrac
              the opinion of ordinary Ukrainians regarding Russia is not affected.

              So I’m kind of like a simple Ukrainian. And my opinion about Russians is that. PEOPLE live in Russia there. Decent, cute, helpful, hospitable, hardworking. I know many. Let's end, in the end, with this propaganda, with an army of stereotypes instead of arguments.
              The actions of your and our government cause a negative opinion in me and thousands of many ordinary Ukrainians. Do you know how they say here? "Pans chubby (fight) and ordinary people crack their forelocks."
              What did I want to say to your NOT INFLAMMED brain?
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 23 October 2013 02: 19
                +1
                Quote: morpex
                Problems at customs for Ukrainian goods, bans on the import of allegedly low-quality meat, milk, sweets, etc. Isn't that a club for you?

                This is not a club. You, in your impudence, have reached the point that you take Russia’s concession for granted, agree to gain access to the Russian market.
                Quote: morpex
                Do you know what they say here? "Pans chubby (fight) and ordinary people crack their forelocks."

                I would like to know who gives birth to such damn proverbs and other "statements of Bismarck".
                Quote: morpex
                .So let off steam and try to communicate normally. Or don't you know how?

                You are throwing accusations here, you see, Russia did not please you, but I suggest you let off steam. The sale of your goods is the problem of Ukraine, and not the problem of Russia.
                1. morpex
                  morpex 23 October 2013 10: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  This is not a club. You, in your impudence, have reached the point that you take Russia’s concession for granted, agree to gain access to the Russian market.

                  Well, judging by your statements, you are probably a member of the Edra?
                  You won’t go far on such a policy with respect to neighbors. Remember my dearest. Without Ukraine, there will never be a Great Russia. And in contrast to you, the West and the USA know this very well.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  I would like to know who gives birth to such damn proverbs and other "statements of Bismarck".

                  Well, you again fall below the curb, insulting me and my people. This is a Ukrainian proverb. And from which side is Bismarck here? Do you smoke something at night?
                  On your third "thesis" about the accusations, I answered above. And I will not continue the polemic in the style of Fyodor. It is useless. As I understand it, the case is clinical. And I don’t want to listen to insults instead of arguments. With all the best ...
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 23 October 2013 14: 25
                    0
                    Quote: morpex
                    This is a Ukrainian proverb. And from which side is Bismarck here? Do you smoke something at night?

                    Many people like to operate with the statements of Bismarck, which he never said, but such proverbs that have long lost their original meaning are a phenomenon of the same order. And where is the insult to your people? You must be more modest, you are not a message to the people.
                    Quote: morpex
                    Without Ukraine, there will never be a Great Russia.

                    Russia was already Great before the accession of Ukraine and will be Great after its separation.
                    Quote: morpex
                    On such a policy with respect to neighbors you will not go far.

                    Indulging our neighbors, we will not go far.
                    Quote: morpex
                    Well, judging by your statements, you are probably a member of the Edra?

                    Probably a worthy organization, judging by your statements.
    10. Vasily Klopkov
      Vasily Klopkov 22 October 2013 22: 45
      +1
      So who promises? Senya rabbit promises? So he, having thrown Julia, marks for the presidency, and here he is training to promise. In general, he is an American agent and did advertising clips in America for him.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 22 October 2013 23: 01
        +2
        Quote: Vasily Klopkov
        and advertising clips he did in America.

        And with his militaristic-style advertising tents and their frankly delusional contents, he got all of THIS for the election campaign that ordinary voters still do not want to see him ... Already wildly looked like a random image of a kind of warlike rabbit.
  3. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 22 October 2013 15: 25
    +6
    I don’t know like the others, but personally I want to see Belarus, Ukraine, the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Moldova in the union. And Georgians surprised me 59% are positive, I am not opposed to the prince of Georgia. But only the authorities there vryatli will choose the path to the CU.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 October 2013 15: 27
    +3
    I do not believe these "polls". people are people, and politicians muddle up in their own way. and judging by the number of respondents, the survey was conducted in the capitals, and the capitals do not express the opinion of the people. The capitals are generally like from another planet
    1. morpex
      morpex 22 October 2013 20: 57
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      I do not believe these "polls

      . Whoever orders to that mill and pour water. Here's another poll: more than half of Ukrainians - 53% - support the idea of ​​Ukraine joining the European Union. These are the results of a study conducted by the sociological group “Rating”. Against - 35%. 12% not yet decided. Over the past three years, the number of respondents who consider the signing of an agreement with the EU more profitable than rapprochement with Russia has grown by 8% (from 39% to 47%). According to the majority of respondents surveyed by Rating, signing an agreement on a free trade zone (FTA) it is more profitable with the European Union (47%) than joining the Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan (34%). As a result, the West and the North more support the agreement with the European Union, and the South and Donbass - with the Customs Union. At the same time, the Center and the East are peculiar “transitional" regions where they support both directions approximately equally. If the Communist Party conducts a survey there everything will be exactly the opposite. Who should I believe?
      I believe that such steps as signing an association, joining the TS should be carried out only through a REFERENDUM!
      But, interestingly, the ruling elite and the opposition are afraid to hold it, because they are so far from their own people that they simply don’t know what the result will be. So they don’t believe in these polls. And therefore, all these social services. polls - filkina letter.
  5. Botanologist
    Botanologist 22 October 2013 15: 28
    +2
    The opinion poll, of course, is needed, only in the post-Soviet space the mood of the elites has traditionally played a key role. Therefore, PR "for" or "against" only accompanies the established political vectors of development. And in this situation, the desire for the EU or the CU will be determined by the likely threats from the point of view of the elites. When Russia begins to pursue a more aggressive policy (in the sense of being tough in achieving its interests), then the elites will need to be more specific. And then they start chewing snot - "we are in the EU and in the Customs Union."
  6. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 22 October 2013 15: 28
    +6
    By the way, young people from Western regions (students) are being brought to Kiev, but Kiev universities are not friends. Who is interested in seeing how Ukrainians are brainwashed, go to the tsn.ua central channel news site and smile.
  7. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 22 October 2013 15: 32
    +9
    Come on walk up, let's all back to the USSR-2
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 October 2013 15: 46
      +8
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Come on walk up, let's all back to the USSR-2

      now you can’t drive. rulers felt the inseparability of personal power. now, if these hands of leaders suddenly run out of finances (not countries, personal ones) or they begin to spread rot, like assad, tads will come, but they will keep a stone in the bosom. but for the next half a century such development is not expected
  8. Algor73
    Algor73 22 October 2013 15: 36
    11
    I don’t know whether to believe in these numbers. For some reason, Ukraine twice rejected the issue of holding a referendum on joining the CU. So something is not right, afraid of something. Even if the results differed 10-15%, the government could correct them (not the first time). So real numbers are much different.
  9. Orik
    Orik 22 October 2013 15: 40
    +7
    At the moment, Russia is in the western paradigm of values, until we return to our own values, we will be of interest only to the significantly backward states of Central Asia. Yes, their orientation is more economic than value-oriented. there is always a risk that they will be outbid. See how Belarus and Kazakhstan show off as soon as Russia was defeated in the battle for Ukraine.
    We must become ourselves, so that this formation is reflected in all state institutes of science, the army, education, industry. Otherwise, the vehicle is a house in the sand. Good about it here http://rusrand.ru/actuals/ob-immigrantah-i-tsivilizatsionnoj-missii-rossii
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 22 October 2013 21: 06
      +1
      Hmm ... I agree, the Eurasian or Asian is not a channel, but something like Scythia would do, and geography allows history. hi
  10. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 22 October 2013 15: 41
    +3
    As soon as successes in the Customs Union (and later in the EAC) are shown, they will take the "queue" themselves. This will be the best propaganda against the background of the "crisis" in Europe, which continues to "smolder" as if the so-called "X-day" is not postponed across the ocean. And the majority in the CIS are "nostalgic" for the lost union.
    1. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 16: 35
      +1
      vlad.svargin
      In my opinion, it’s much more important not the real successes or failures of the CU, but how the country's propaganda brings the situation. Here is an example - the leadership of Ukraine drags Nenko for sale in the EU by the hair. It understands perfectly well that the country will feel great bad, but the culprit has already been found. Their propaganda explained in advance all their failures with the vile revenge of the vindictive Russia. At the same time, naturally, their propaganda is trying so hard that we are bending along with our TS ... This has nothing to do with the truth, but total propaganda always bears fruit. Personally, I tend to rather believe the mood dynamics cited in the survey - this can be seen even from the comments of visitors from Ukraine.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 22 October 2013 17: 10
        +3
        Quote: smile
        In my opinion, it’s much more important not the real successes or failures of the CU, but how the country's propaganda brings the situation. Here is an example - the leadership of Ukraine drags Nenko for sale in the EU by the hair. It understands perfectly well that the country will feel great bad, but the culprit has already been found. Their propaganda explained in advance all their failures with the vile revenge of the vindictive Russia. At the same time, naturally, their propaganda is trying so hard that we are bending along with our TS ... This has nothing to do with the truth, but total propaganda always bears fruit. Personally, I tend to rather believe the mood dynamics cited in the survey - this can be seen even from the comments of visitors from Ukraine.

        Ukrainian. I hardly watch news, and certainly I am not "fooled" by them. So, no matter how unpleasant it was for you, the Russian Federation itself with its summer vyrykonami is to blame. Less had to arrange "customs wars" and clowns like Glazyev, with his apocalyptic forecasts, should be allowed on TV. The support of the TS for six months fell by 20%, and this is the fault of the current (by and large, 90 percent) YOUR (RF) leaders! When ordinary robots are fired (because the vehicle does not want to cooperate ... for "understandable" reasons) or screams about visas begin, no special anti-advertising is needed, it is enough to show it.
        P.S. Yes, even on the forum, take a look, Akim, me, Kars (and a couple of other people who previously spoke only positively about the Russian Federation) hardly treat Russia badly and disputes arose between us (and the special "patriots" of the TS) when it went Ukraine. So look at your actions (even in the example
        of this forum), although I quite believe that it is extremely difficult (for the main "screamers")
        1. smile
          smile 22 October 2013 18: 22
          +4
          Corneli
          Hello. If you say that I will not even laugh at the Ukrainian leadership’s decision to drift away from us — since you are clearly speaking sincerely, I will simply be surprised at your naivety. The decision was made quite a long time ago - you should understand that such actions are not being taken from the bay, and our leadership knew about it (I hope it’s clear to you that it is impossible to hide this from the special services). Accordingly, customs brawls are the usual response to the actions of your government. Or do you think our leadership and politicians should silently wipe themselves and be silent? Or maybe your silent?
          The fact that the actions of the Ukrainian government will hit primarily ordinary citizens of Ukraine, including your hard workers, was obvious to us for your leadership, but exposing us for RESPONSE actions, your propaganda forgets about that. that the actions are reciprocal, we are simply forced to respond ... and you don’t want to see this ...
          Kars has long been talking about Russia on any topic very VERY positively, fortunately it did not concern you and Akim ... but total propaganda is total propaganda, and it cannot but affect ... you too ... After all, you you don’t notice that our whole pursuit is directed not at the Ukrainians, but at your leadership leading anti-Russian politics, and bandarlogs.
          By the way, it is somehow dishonest to refer to some of our fraudulent politicians against the background of Tyagnibok's fascists, or members of the Udar party ... it is somehow dishonest - after all, based on your logic, if you were so influenced by several statements of a handful of our politicians, we should have become Ukrainophobes long ago ... so that look not only at ours, but also at "your" actions ... :))) and do not make hasty conclusions ... please.
          1. morpex
            morpex 22 October 2013 21: 18
            0
            Quote: smile
            The fact that the actions of the Ukrainian government will hit primarily ordinary citizens of Ukraine, including your hard workers, was obvious to us for your leadership, but exposing us for RESPONSE actions, your propaganda forgets about that. that the actions are reciprocal, we are simply forced to respond ... and you don’t want to see this ...

            They’ll strike. I don’t argue. But! The actions of the Russian government have already hit. And painfully hit ordinary hard workers. Russia tried to influence not the people of Ukraine, but its rulers. And this was fundamentally wrong, because it was useless to influence those whose money was in Western banks, it was necessary to explain to the people what the benefits of a simple Ukrainian from Ukraine joining the CU and why their situation would worsen as a result of association with the EU. After all, people do not understand that an association is not a membership at all. Although ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 23 October 2013 00: 27
              +2
              Quote: morpex
              They’ll strike. I don’t argue. But! The actions of the Russian government have already hit. And painfully hit simple hard workers.

              What does the Russian government and Ukrainian hard workers? Let the Ukrainian government think about the Ukrainian hard workers and let these same hard workers make claims to it.
            2. smile
              smile 23 October 2013 02: 00
              +1
              morpex
              We explained as much as we could. But we are simply compelled to respond to the concrete actions of the Ukrainian authorities with regard to Russia with our actions with regard to Ukraine, we are simply deprived of the opportunity to specifically affect the pockets of those who sell Ukraine into slavery and spoil us .... The Ukrainian government has written off Ukrainians as losses .. .in advance ... we have something to do with it? Moreover, whatever one may say, we can’t kill the total propaganda of the Ukrainian leadership in any way, at least crack ..... and we are not trying to do it ....
              And there is nothing to even dream about membership - your "although" betrays a complete ignorance of European realities - the EU is bursting at the seams, and they have already stated for a long time that there is no membership ... to anyone --- not a drop in the mouth, not a centimeter in the well .. ..and only the Ukrainian government with perseverance worthy of better use ... t its people, flickering in front of its face with a beautiful booklet ..... you are a serious person, are you not ashamed that you were led to this?
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 23 October 2013 02: 17
                +3
                Quote: smile
                But we are simply forced to respond to specific actions of the Ukrainian authorities in relation to Russia

                Volodya! First time I call by name hi That's the problem that you have to deal with the State! As a subject of international law request And everything else emotions and Wishlist Alas!
            3. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 23 October 2013 03: 24
              +1
              morpex


              here you understand this situation is developing the ruling elite of Ukraine believes that the Russian market (or the market of the hardware) it doesn’t lose any case and can always return (and I must say not without reason) to the poem and with a calm soul for a long time leading the country to the EU apparently considering that we still weren't there and make money at first, again, in the EU there will be something and just do what will happen, and Russia will never go anywhere and the elite of the TS is afraid too, it is necessary to think not unreasonably)) from here the Russian policy is trying to show the ruling class that it is capable of taking extreme measures even to the detriment of oneself when the chosen path is non-stop! and Ukraine just takes advantage of the current situation, continuing to try to sit on two chairs, realizing that Russia will not once abandon attempts to return Ukraine to where it was unfortunate
              and how, by the way, do you think it was necessary to influence the people of Ukraine? as? and through what? we don’t even have our own representatives through which it would be possible to put ads in support of the cc here they all look at one another and the people are even prevented from holding a referendum (and all normal people generally understand what’s what) and how to influence people? later this people and pashlet will say here again this Russia with imperial manners is engaged in propaganda !! and there’s no special super benefit in joining the TS there is no benefit whatsoever here the geopolitical game is going on, they will simply cancel the borders and make one currency and we will all be together as before that's the whole benefit! when joining the countries of the Union of Nations, they will unite us very quickly too much yet tied together by 2 people torn to pieces by chance, still too late and not very young brains stupefied by zapodnymi (valuables)) that's all the Ukrainian elite and zapodnoy free men are afraid of the fire dissolving in open spaces of a gigantic country, it’s certainly nothing good in the TS !! and at least the money will have time to steal over the hill, it happens that not according to the plan, the Americans are generously fanning out any attempts to smash the Slavic peoples and while we do not understand the main thing that the force is in unity and we will seek the momentary BENEFIT and the reasons for it, keenly kicking each other and nothing good will end in the end ! Yes, we have far from imperfect government in your parliament just do the devil knows what has been happening for 20 years. BUT the main thing in this is all that we want to unite and you are not! Here is the ruling class and is looking for reasons to escape to the EU, while remaining as good as possible in good relations with the TS! but this seems to be provided to them by the ruling class of Russia is already in disbelief and the people are suffering as always
              BUT if all the same, with some miracles, join the TS, it all will end right away, well, just some other pressure tool, apparently they can’t be applied, it just can’t be there, but to relax, looking like Ukraine is merging into the EU !!
              well, understand you and our side!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 23 October 2013 03: 42
                +2
                Quote: regressSSSR
                well, understand you and our side!

                I wrote on another thread off topic but who needs to understand -And about my beloved team and about politics in fact, I have to deal not with the people but with the State! -In accordance with international agreements, no one can change this order request can you change state policy? if not then we will have what we have negative
                1. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 23 October 2013 04: 44
                  +1
                  I'm sorry about what kind of team I did not understand about Putin's chtol? I’m actually a little Putin fan, if for some reason I’m not yet able to unite the country into a single whole, but what actually wrote the main thing in this all so that we would be together and it doesn’t matter who does the main thing so that the unification takes place and we will deal with the problematic already together in one team because the further it all drags on the worse it gets !! I believe that Lukashenko is also not enthusiastic about the policy pursued by Russia, but this does not stop him from seeing the main thing that only together we are power and politics is an incoming and outgoing element and the country is one and that there will be someone who knows tomorrow and after the cost!
                  and what do I have to do with the concept? I personally have no relation to them! you didn’t like the word hillock with an error) well, let there be a fashionable Soviet word for cardon what actually the difference))
                  but we already have what we have and are not in our power to change something, and if only we could just sit there)) but in the end I wrote it in vain it really is not our point of view (of the people) but rather the authorities well then everything seems to be true indeed we want to be united they are not what is wrong request
                  I misunderstood you, excuse me hi
        2. Jarilo
          Jarilo 22 October 2013 22: 07
          +1
          Glazyev, in fact, is from Ukraine, and he certainly does not wish you any harm.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 23 October 2013 02: 42
            +1
            Quote: Jarilo
            Glazyev, in fact, is from Ukraine, and he certainly does not wish you any harm.

            Khrushchev was also from Ukraine. Current with Glazyev they are different)
            P.S. And in fact: "Sergey Yuryevich Glazyev: Former Minister of Foreign Economic Relations of Russia, Deputy of the State Duma I, III, IV convocations. Presidential candidate of the Russian Federation (2004). EurAsEC Deputy Secretary General (since November 27, 2008).
            From 1991 to 1993 he worked as First Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Economic Relations at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, First Deputy Minister of Foreign Economic Relations of the Russian Federation.
            From December 23, 1992 to September 22, 1993 - Minister of Foreign Economic Relations of the Russian Federation in the Government of V. S. Chernomyrdin. He resigned in protest against the dispersal of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation.
            In 1996 he worked as head of the economic security department of the apparatus of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. "

            There you can continue to continue ... But what for? In fact, he is such a Ukrainian as I am a Jew or an Arab! fellow Chuvachek from beginning to end MEMBER of the power of the Russian Federation! What a Ukrainian brat!)
        3. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 23 October 2013 03: 59
          +1
          Corneli (1)
          P.S. Yes, even on the forum, take a look, Akim, me, Kars (and a couple of other people who previously spoke only positively about the Russian Federation) hardly treat Russia badly and disputes arose between us (and the special "patriots" of the TS)


          you yes! but as for Kars, I disagree, he made a career purely on tanks)) and on the patriotic sub-sided avtotark of the Soviet tanker smile ! and to modern Russia, and even more so, unification with it into a new union, even in the form of a vehicle, is very negative, but this is his right, of course, it is a pity but a fact!

          Quote: regressSSSR
          Well, different ways to unite the country into a single whole
          while not moving

          Kars
          Why such a unification? I don’t need it.


          if you’re interested, you can read in our proverbial botalia with him a very lengthy day, by the way 2)) he needs to say trolling strong that is, that is a pity I didn’t immediately understand it entered the game only at the end))

          By the way, you changed your avotar)) now it’s if I am unmistakable it seems mengs from starcraft) the final video of the company’s game for zerg) expressive shot hi
      2. Vasily Klopkov
        Vasily Klopkov 22 October 2013 23: 37
        +3
        As a citizen of Ukraine, I will clarify Eastern Ukraine, Kharkov, of course, I am for the Customs Union. In general, I believe that our government leads us by the nose, and the European Union leads our government by the nose, in other words, in fact, Europe divorces those who so succeeded in divorcing business partners first in the dashing 90s, and then naive voters, already in the last 10 years. Hence the erupting irritation, either from Yanukovych’s lips to the EU and the energy charter, which did not prevent Russia from building the “South Stream” bypassing Ukraine, then Azarov does not see the benefits of participating in the same European energy charter for Ukraine, they say, it does not help bargain for a gas discount from Russia. Already contradict themselves. We would have held a referendum and the end of the matter.
  11. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 22 October 2013 15: 41
    +4
    Time is the best judge. let them run. come running.
  12. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 22 October 2013 15: 42
    +4
    It is beautifully said - "in fact, the process of fragmentation of the post-Soviet space continues, often directed by external players."
  13. APES
    APES 22 October 2013 15: 42
    +4
    this is probably bad, but sometimes (every year more and more) I want to exchange Dagestan for Belarus, Chechnya for Ukraine, or at least the Crimea for Ingushetia.
    Sorry
    1. morpex
      morpex 22 October 2013 21: 20
      0
      Quote: APES
      it's probably bad

      Not that Andrei. This is good. Normal reaction, normal person ...
  14. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 22 October 2013 15: 44
    +4
    What do you say - this is not an idle question. But behind the beautiful signboard of European integration there are no less problems than in the Customs Union. As they say: for the entrance - ten rubles for the exit. And after all, what is most important, along with "friendship" with Europe, "everyone who enters there" receives a whole tangle of unadvertised, hushed up "nuances": from economic dictatorship to homosexuals. In the meantime - a kind of carrot for a donkey ...
  15. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 22 October 2013 15: 46
    12
    And who needs a weak Russia? Everyone wants to be friends with the strong. No, not that, some "finished weathercocks" have no honor, a sense of duty, etc., it's just that it's a matter of business, and only ... Russia has just got out of the ditch, and its dirty, like, they won't recognize ... History is a pendulum.
    1. teleset
      teleset 22 October 2013 17: 14
      +7
      That's right, until then, our country will not understand that it is necessary to nationalize the printing press or any economic development. We ourselves got closer to Europe until nowhere to enter the WTO and we needed it? Here we sell them gas and oil, and the Central Bank withdraws dollars from the sale and prints rubles at the exchange rate and pours it into the economy, and adds dollars to the reserve when buying American candy wrappers. That is, we give the bowels for injecting rubles into our economy, the question is why do we need it when we ourselves can print as many rubles of lope needed for the economy no more and no less and we need to buy technology abroad for dollars and machine tools and interest on loans will be 1-2%. The economy will work and all CIS countries themselves will knock on the door to us.
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 22 October 2013 17: 16
      +1
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      . Russia has just got out of the ditch, and its dirty, like until they recognize
      For this +
    3. mch1950
      mch1950 22 October 2013 17: 27
      +4
      Everyone wants to be friends with the rich at their expense.
    4. morpex
      morpex 22 October 2013 21: 26
      0
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      And who needs a weak Russia?

      Yes, no one. But against the backdrop of strong steps, let the government not make those that show its weakness. Well, for example:

      2011. Despite the request of Russia, Belarus refused to recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
      Bottom line: Belarus has not recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia to this day.

      2011. Tajikistan, without any reason, is imprisoning a Russian pilot, offering to exchange him for a distant relative of President Rakhmonov, who was sent to serve an 10-year sentence for drug trafficking.
      Bottom line: Tajikistan has achieved its goal.

      2012. Uzbekistan took away from the Russian MTS its Uzbek "daughter" with 10 million subscribers.
      Bottom line: the company went bankrupt, its property is nationalized

      2013. Belarus lures to Minsk and arrests the head of one of the largest Russian companies - Uralkali.
      Bottom line: sits to this day (although already under house arrest).

      2013. Tajikistan demanded a relaxation of the regime of Tajik migrants in Russia, threatening otherwise not to extend the lease of Russia 201-th military base.
      Bottom line: Tajikistan has achieved its goal. Registration time for Tajik citizens has been increased from 7 to 15 days, and work permits are now issued for up to 3 years.

      2013. Uzbekistan is taking away its local daughter, Unitel, with 10 millions of customers, from the Russian Vimpelcom.
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        1. morpex
          morpex 22 October 2013 22: 01
          +4
          Quote: 225chay
          I apologize let gnida sit!

          Don't apologize. Let him sit. But it would be better if Russia itself decided "whom to execute and whom to have mercy."
  16. Sour
    Sour 22 October 2013 15: 49
    +4
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    How can I resist when they promise salaries and pensions 5 times more:

    And all this is decided by one stroke of the pen - the signing of an association agreement.
    According to the World Bank, in order to bring Ukraine’s economy into line with the economies of the leading EU countries over 20 years, it needs to immediately forgive the 135 billionth debt and invest about 10 billion euros annually (this excludes inflation). In total, more than 300 billion should be spent on this, it turns out.
    1) Firstly, in Europe there is no such free money. If there were, then there would be no problems with Greece and Spain.
    2) Secondly, in Europe nobody needs it.
    Although it is clear that Senya Yatsenyuk believes otherwise. He gets paid for it.
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 22 October 2013 15: 56
    15
    Interestingly, half of Azerbaijan in Russia is chopping cabbage and they don’t like us the most, paradox.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 October 2013 18: 52
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      Interestingly, half of Azerbaijan in Russia is chopping cabbage and they don’t like us the most, paradox.

      The population of Azerbaijan is 9.5 million. And obviously not half of them are in the Russian Federation. Those who in Russia are already rooted here and are mostly citizens of the Russian Federation. By the way, they are not bad statistics. Considering that the position of Russia impedes the conquest of Karabakh, I'm generally not surprised at the 100% result. And so only 53))) And statistics show that mainly CA is interested in the Russian Federation from where the money flows, and the money that Azerbaijanis earn here is invested.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 22 October 2013 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: ed65b
        Interestingly, half of Azerbaijan in Russia is chopping cabbage and they don’t like us the most, paradox.

        The population of Azerbaijan is 9.5 million. And obviously not half of them are in the Russian Federation. Those who in Russia are already rooted here and are mostly citizens of the Russian Federation. By the way, they are not bad statistics. Considering that the position of Russia impedes the conquest of Karabakh, I'm generally not surprised at the 100% result. And so only 53))) And statistics show that mainly CA is interested in the Russian Federation from where the money flows, and the money that Azerbaijanis earn here is invested.

        I do not agree. The day before yesterday on TV they showed the village of Ormaz where every third citizen of Russia, although he speaks Russian with difficulty, ordinary hucksters who traded in Birulevo and lavandos dragged home. to your native village.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 22 October 2013 19: 38
          +1
          Quote: ed65b
          I do not agree. The day before yesterday on TV they showed the village of Ormaz where every third citizen of Russia, although he speaks Russian with difficulty, ordinary hucksters who traded in Birulevo and lavandos dragged home. to your native village.

          There are such identities. But I'm talking about privation. In my family, no one sends money to Baku and I know the representatives of my people. Most of them spend here. It's just stupid economically profitable. A hut in Baku costs 10-20 percent cheaper than in St. Petersburg. But rent here is more expensive. And it’s more reasonable to sell it there, put it a little on top and rent it here than buy there. We already bought 2 houses. Prices for cars are the same. Food seems to be even more expensive. The only fruits and greens there are cheaper and fresher.
          Those who are fellow to themselves build a country house there and buy 1 house for reserve if they suddenly need to go from Russia. I know a lot of people from Baku. They invest in Russia and live in Baku themselves. That is, there is no such dependence as in the 90s from the population from transfers from Russia. It is more profitable to take a family to obtain Russian citizenship and live here than to work and send money. The economy decides.
          And if it weren’t for Aliyev, the level of anger among the population would be higher due to Russia's support for Armenia. Nobody is against cooperation, but they see that the Russian Federation at least does not stand aside, but rather actively supports Armenians. If it weren’t for Aliyev, the situation would be more negative . But sometimes in Russia they do this, that it is more and more difficult for Aliev.
          1. 225chay
            225chay 22 October 2013 21: 55
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            they see that the Russian Federation at least does not stand aside, but rather actively supports Armenians


            Ali, not everyone in Russia, not everyone supports Armenians ...
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 22 October 2013 23: 18
              +1
              Quote: 225chay
              Ali, not everyone in Russia, not everyone supports Armenians ...

              Yes, I know. But the state of the Russian Federation fully supports it.
    2. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 21: 17
      0
      not you, but TS.this is not the same thing)) and not half, but only a few hundred thousand, the rest are your citizens)
  18. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 22 October 2013 15: 58
    +1
    Quote: vlad.svargin
    As soon as successes in the Customs Union (and later in the EAC) are shown, they will take the "queue" themselves. This will be the best propaganda against the background of the "crisis" in Europe, which continues to "smolder" as if the so-called "X-day" is not postponed across the ocean. And the majority in the CIS are "nostalgic" for the lost union.

    The majority are nostalgic, while the minority rules. And rules towards the EU. Once again, I urge you to express my opinion, in addition to the "stick", you also need a "carrot". Gingerbread for the population of these countries, and not for the "rulers" in the form of energy discounts. They then resell these energy resources to Geyropa, but at market prices, and put the margin in their pocket. Plus the media space needs to be conquered, information wars are extremely effective! And we have nothing but RT. We need to fight for our neighbors, comrades !!!
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 October 2013 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      Gingerbread for the population of these countries, and not for the "rulers" in the form of energy discounts.

      Well, how do you imagine this? GAZPROM will directly supply gas to Ukrainian consumers? Bypassing the government? laughing Rjunimagu.
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      You need to fight for the neighbors, comrades !!!

      Yes, you have to fight for your own people in neighboring countries, so there will be "your own man" in someone else's team. And it doesn't hurt to look back at history. Why did other republics join the RSFSR so easily after the revolution? Was it only by force? No, the population saw the prospects, believed that JUSTICE will prevail on 1/6 of the land for all ordinary people, regardless of faith, nationality And when Russia is able to ensure such justice at least to its citizens, it will become an example for its neighbors and a new center of gravity that can rally the new Union.
  19. hrych
    hrych 22 October 2013 16: 16
    +6
    The renowned TS has not yet really taken shape, and Bai and Batka have already begun to engage in extortion and a new trump card for blackmail - leaving the TS. Migrant lawlessness and transparency of borders for drugs, so everyone already understands that the problem is easily solved by a normal border and the introduction of visas, but this is the customs union and Eurasianism. Moreover, the creation of this TS scared Europe and prompted it to drag Ukraine there, which would never have happened. Here Medvezhut spoke about Ukraine: "You won't be able to sit on two chairs!" Well, Ukraine would hang out between the Russian Federation and the EU and nothing, and its population is also split, but now it will sit on one chair and this is the EU. It's time to give up this nonsense and it's time to tackle internal national problems for already the edge.
  20. Sour
    Sour 22 October 2013 16: 22
    +4
    Quote: hrych
    It’s time to abandon this nonsense, it’s time to tackle domestic problems because it’s already a land.

    As one well-known politician liked to say: "It is a very correct thought." smile
  21. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 22 October 2013 16: 50
    +5
    They asked for the Russian empire when it became really dull, so let's wait
  22. kaktus
    kaktus 22 October 2013 16: 51
    +4
    you won’t be forcibly sweet - they don’t want to, and ... to sneeze, their problems in bulk
  23. sem.sorok
    sem.sorok 22 October 2013 17: 01
    +3
    A sample of 1000 people, for example, out of 10 million in Belarus, is not representative. I understand that if the survey was conducted for example 5 thousand people, at least from each regional center - then it would be possible to draw some conclusions. And in this case, the results are completely unobvious
  24. Essenger
    Essenger 22 October 2013 17: 22
    -2
    Again, are we building illusions about the inhibited union? laughing
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 October 2013 19: 48
      0
      Quote: Essenger
      Again, are we building illusions about the inhibited union?

      But we have no illusions about the European Union
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 22 October 2013 19: 52
        -1
        Quote: Setrac
        European Union

        new empirical evidence that fear, anxiety and aversion of some seemingly heterosexual people against gays and lesbians may be the result of their own suppressed homosexual desires

        laughing
  25. vahatak
    vahatak 22 October 2013 17: 50
    +5
    Does anyone even believe in these social polls ??? Advocates of the CU and all Eurasianism themselves order a survey, draw numbers themselves, and here you are discussing them ...
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 22 October 2013 17: 52
      -2
      Quote: vahatak
      Does anyone even believe in these social polls?

      Oppa, right now, you will be very toughly blamed and accused of betrayal))) By the way, are you working for the State Department?))))
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 22 October 2013 18: 06
        +1
        With me if that +. Everything is clear here. So do not rake everyone under a common comb good
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 22 October 2013 19: 29
          +3
          Quote: Siberian
          So do not rake everyone under a common comb

          catch + from me too))) So let's say 99,9 users from the Russian Federation
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 22 October 2013 18: 09
        +3
        Quote: Essenger
        By the way, are you working for the State Department?))))

        Of course, on the 31st, the salary has become more active)))
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 22 October 2013 19: 29
          0
          And then, he is also a batyr in Africa. laughing
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 22 October 2013 19: 35
            +3
            Oo ed65b
            pilot assalam ualeikum !!!
            Recently you almost got confused with the user Libr
  26. Neighbor
    Neighbor 22 October 2013 18: 21
    +2
    Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan !!! Already not bad.
    1. alekseyal
      alekseyal 22 October 2013 18: 30
      0
      And Armenia is tightening! smile
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 22 October 2013 18: 55
        +3
        Quote: alekseyal
        And Armenia is tightening!

        laughing We will pull up still rich Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and we will chicly heal))) Ah, I forgot about the economic development of Moldova and rich Abkhazia and South Ossetia if even Prenistria joins it will have a super powerful alliance, so to say double our economic and military power at times !!!!
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 22 October 2013 19: 02
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          We will pull up still rich Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, we will chicly heal))) Ah, I forgot about the economic development of Moldova and to rich Abkhazia and South Ossetia, if even Prenistria joins, there will be a super powerful alliance

          Let everyone call me, I do not mind, by the way went infa that Syria can also enter. Next in line are Iran, North Korea and other outcast countries)))
          The most important thing is for Kazakhstan to get out of there as soon as possible
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 22 October 2013 19: 06
            +2
            Quote: Essenger
            Next in line are Iran, North Korea and other outcast countries)))

            fellow
            Quote: Essenger
            The most important thing is for Kazakhstan to get out of there as soon as possible

            This will happen in proportion to how Russian will decrease and Kazakh population will increase.
            But the paradox you go to other branches, just hear the stupid monkeys, the ominous religion of Islam with savage Muslims, down with everyone to their villages and then its strength together, unite))))))
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 22 October 2013 19: 22
              +2
              Quote: Yeraz
              how will the Russian decrease and the Kazakh population increase.

              The average age of Russians in the KZ is 47 years old, Kazakhs are 27 years old.
              Children aged 0-10 Kazakhs 80%, Russian 16%. So this is an irreversible process.


              Quote: Yeraz
              But the paradox you go to other branches, we only hear stupid monkeys, the ominous religion of Islam with savage Muslims, down with everyone to their villages

              Well, what without this?)))))))
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 22 October 2013 19: 21
            +2
            Quote: Essenger
            The most important thing is for Kazakhstan to get out of there as soon as possible

            You know, I seem to understand what’s the matter. In the USSR, everyone worked for a common, positive result. There is no and will not be a common goal in the TS. Each TS member seeks to cut cabbage for himself. Without disdaining to do this at the expense of others. Rossi has the opportunity more than others. It's a shame to others. And I completely understand the Kazakh side - if state revenues have fallen from joining the CU, why do we need such an alliance? And to make everyone feel good in the CU ... under capitalism, this is not realistic. Personal profit comes first.
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 22 October 2013 19: 31
              +1
              revnagan
              Nazarbayev wanted an economic union, but Putin is not ready for this. For Putin, this is more of a political project

              In recent times, he often became so saying
              http://www.vesti.kg/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=17376&Itemid=79
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 22 October 2013 19: 31
          +1
          So what? I agree that the European Union contains a bunch of parasites. politics s. you understand
        3. alone
          alone 22 October 2013 21: 20
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          We will pull up still rich Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and we will chicly heal))) Ah, I forgot about the economic development of Moldova and rich Abkhazia and South Ossetia if even Prenistria joins it will have a super powerful alliance, so to say double our economic and military power at times !!!!


          wassat and who needs parasites?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 22 October 2013 23: 20
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            and who needs parasites?

            Well, you read the posts of some comrades eh Armenia and Moldova would still)))
  27. pahom54
    pahom54 22 October 2013 19: 32
    +1
    By the way, what is the article about? What is its essence? What did the author try to clarify or prove?
    That someone in the post-Soviet space treats Russia well, and someone badly? Someone seeks an alliance with her, but someone does not?
    I would like to recall the collapsed USSR, when the RSFSR, which was many times larger than other republics, actually worked for them ... Was where the standard of living is lower than in the villages of the RSFSR, in other republics? By the way, such a thing is clearly being continued on the example of the Chechen Republic with its "symbol of Russia."
    Well, do we need the results of this survey? Moreover, ANY sociological poll has its own goal and its owner. Who conducted this survey and what is its purpose?
    I don’t feel violent in relations with Belarus and Ukraine, as the Slavic peoples, I am not against an alliance with Kazakhstan ... However, even in these republics Russia is needed only as a draft horse, which you can ride until it falls ...
    I understand perfectly well that if Russia turns its back on these republics, not our friends will take our place there, and only this thought allows us to think about integration with them. And so, by and large, we have enough of our own problems, and is it worth putting oneself on the neck of new, old parasites?
  28. igorspb
    igorspb 22 October 2013 19: 32
    0
    Too small percentage of respondents. For 15 thousand in each country there will be a slightly different result. Here it is interesting.
  29. ed65b
    ed65b 22 October 2013 19: 35
    -3
    Kazakhs will not quit; they have no options. they won’t protect themselves; mountain people will cut them out like rams. laughing
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 22 October 2013 20: 45
      +3
      Kirghiz or what? laughing
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 22 October 2013 20: 45
      +6
      Quote: ed65b
      Kazakhs will not quit; they have no options. they will not protect themselves
      You could not protect yourself, but still show off bully
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 22 October 2013 22: 19
        +3
        Zymran. Alibek. only two left? and Yesener is banned for disagreeing with the general line? I wonder, no, on our part, who would write that the TS is super, although according to the survey we have a lot of support? maybe the poll is not correct, or maybe the Kazakhstanis ate yesterday and today time out?
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 23 October 2013 08: 22
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          do we have a lot of support in the survey? maybe the poll is not right
          The poll is absolutely correct. It's just that those Kazakhs who are behind the vehicle should be brought to Topvar by the handle and read the comments of our Russian and Kazakh “friends” (such as Smiley, Vasilenko, Eeyore, “downed pilot”, etc.). The veil will drop from the eyes. Here is an example of my cousin Tulegen:
          Some time ago, he worked at TU-10 in Kostanay. There he became very close friends with the Russians who work there. True, these "Russians" are Belarusian and German, but nevertheless. Probably nowhere before, and even after, he did not become so friends with the team as there. Almost all leisure activities were carried out together. Every Wednesday to the bathhouse)). Be sure to celebrate all the holidays. He even dived into the ice-hole with them for Epiphany, while his fingers froze a little)).
          When I traveled to the west of Kazakhstan, I "hacked" with the locals: "Don't touch the Russians angry "
          But, but now it works elsewhere. And already there are "other Russians", from whom every day for nothing "watering" the Kazakhs in the style of Vasilenko, Eeyore, Edik and others.
          And now, his opinion has changed dramatically: "Let" these "Russians knock on all 4 sides." And he himself is the notorious "northern Russian-speaking Kazakh"
          Something like that..
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 23 October 2013 08: 36
        0
        When is this blame?
  30. voliador
    voliador 22 October 2013 19: 42
    -4
    Saloids think that they are waiting in the geyrop with arms outstretched. Great for them to brainwash. Let them look at the Baltic states.
    1. morpex
      morpex 22 October 2013 21: 48
      0
      Quote: voliador
      Saloids

      You do not eat fat? Sick? I sympathize. Sip cabbage soup .. lean. Without fat.laughing
  31. Zymran
    Zymran 22 October 2013 20: 47
    +4
    And why was Essenger banned? I understand that he had his own point of view, but it seems that he did not offend anyone and did not swear.
    1. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 21: 22
      +4
      but this is the problem here. You can’t have your own point of view here. You just have to assent and scream cheers)) fellow I don’t know what to shout for))
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 October 2013 23: 21
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      And why was Essenger banned? I understand that he had his own point of view, but it seems that he did not offend anyone and did not materialize

      In the same bewilderment. I wrote at the same time with him. Everything within.
  32. shinobi
    shinobi 22 October 2013 21: 23
    -2
    The stronger Russia will become, the more former satellites will want to return. And Ukraine and the Balts will not go anywhere. But whether we accept them or not will already be a big question. The guys have done a lot of nasty things. It will flare up in Turkey and Moldovans with azeri .Some of the Britons said: Russia as an empire always returns lost territories, very often expanding even more.
  33. Nymp
    Nymp 22 October 2013 23: 07
    0
    Well, let's say these Azerbaijanis and Georgians and others like them are striving for gayrope and are guided by yusovka, it’s a no brainer that for selfish purposes. They want luxury with their primitive little minds, thinking that for this you only need to "enter", and there will sprinkle like a cornucopia of marmalade with chocolate! If the standard of living in the vehicle rises sharply, and overlaps the gayropean one, they will instantly turn into "brothers". Do we need such "bros" that mom will be sold for a chocolate bar? And the geyrope decided long ago that she did not need them, but the chocolate, so for the bait.
    1. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 23: 25
      +1
      Azerbaijan does not want not in the CU, not in the EU. Negotiations are only about a visa-free regime with EU countries.
      1. Nymp
        Nymp 22 October 2013 23: 46
        0
        Omar, is integration with Turkey an empty phrase? It’s clear that Azerbaijan has a grudge against Russia because of its sympathies for Armenia in the Karabakh conflict (it should be borne in mind that they are our co-religionists). But doesn’t Turkey itself aspire to the EU? She clearly goes in the wake of US-European politics. Therefore, Omar, the direction of integration of Azerbaijan is obvious.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 October 2013 01: 06
          0
          Quote: Nymp
          Omar, is integration with Turkey an empty phrase? It’s clear that Azerbaijan has a grudge against Russia because of its sympathies for Armenia in the Karabakh conflict (it should be borne in mind that they are our co-religionists). But doesn’t Turkey itself aspire to the EU? She clearly goes in the wake of US-European politics. Therefore, Omar, the direction of integration of Azerbaijan is obvious.

          Turkey is no longer so eager to go there. And the population is not enthusiastic about Amers and Jews. He recently arrived. Europe did not give up to Azerbaijanis, do you think we see Russian support for Armenia, but there is no support for France and other European countries ??? Do you think nobody in Azerbaijan knows that the United States is the only country in the world that officially allocates money to the separate NKR in its budget ???? This is just a kind of opposition to Russia, that's all.
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 23 October 2013 08: 33
          +2
          Quote: Nymp
          Therefore, Omar, the direction of integration of Azerbaijan is obvious.
          Azerbaijan is a hydrocarbon-rich state that can afford to not join anyone. Turkey is the closest country for Azerbaijan, as Belarus is for Russia. And this must be understood and simply accepted. In turn, Russia is not a stranger. Too much connects Azerbaijan with Russia, so that it would be easy to break. It is clear that Azerbaijan will maintain neutrality, maintaining friendly, partnership relations with everyone, not allowing itself to unequivocally take sides. Yes, and this status will allow Baku to maximize the advantage of the existing situation. Remember Yugoslavia from the time of Tito.
    2. vahatak
      vahatak 23 October 2013 12: 21
      0
      Quote: Nymp
      If the standard of living in the vehicle will increase sharply, and block the Geyropeisky

      dreaming is not bad.
  34. Platov
    Platov 22 October 2013 23: 16
    +1
    All this is based on Bzezhinsky’s postulate about the inferiority of Russia without Ukraine. Here the citizens of Okraintsy think that Russia will kneel before him. And on the street, globalization is already blooming and smelling all over. India TC is wooing. In my opinion, the outskirts should be taken in parts both as provinces and a little later, when they eat a foot-lick in the EU.
  35. Lazy cat
    Lazy cat 23 October 2013 04: 06
    +1
    I do not believe that Ukraine will become fully integrated in 5 years. E
  36. Lazy cat
    Lazy cat 23 October 2013 04: 06
    0
    I do not believe that Ukraine will become fully integrated in 5 years.