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Blame for expansion "Al-Qaeda" Washington imposes on Turkey

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Blame for expansion "Al-Qaeda" Washington imposes on Turkey

To hide the obvious is no longer possible. During the years of the war in Syria, the West, in an attempt to remove Bashar al-Assad from power, has built up a force so sinister that its tentacles are already drawn to the western capitals themselves. Al Qaeda in the Middle East is experiencing the peak of its influence. In Somalia, Al-Shabab has announced its full membership in this organization. In Libya, its members easily arrest the prime minister, and then release him. In Yemen, al-Qaida actually governs entire provinces. In Syria itself, in addition to it, there are no longer any serious forces fighting the regime ... Just the question should be raised how all this could have happened. It's time to look for the guilty. And in Washington started this.


Noteworthy in this regard is the recent publication in The Wall Street Journal, where the main culprit for the Al Qaeda renaissance was “appointed” by Turkey, which “ingenuous Americans” too trusted, and personally the head of Turkish intelligence (MIT) Hakan Fidan, called force "in the organization of the rebellion against the Syrian regime.


Fidan just 45 years, and he is not inclined to publicity. He headed the national intelligence service in 2010, and since then has turned it into an obedient tool of Erdogan’s policy, and he himself became a key executor of his decisions. In 2012, he also gained control of military intelligence, many of whose leaders suspected of plotting against the authorities went to prison. They call him “the man №2” in Turkey and put him even above President Gul. Former US Ambassador to Turkey, James Jeffrey calls Hakan Fidan "the face of the new Middle East." In Washington, where the Turkish security officials had long been accustomed to control, Fidan was “respected for his abilities,” but they are suspicious of him. He, in particular, is accused of the fact that in the interests of an equal exchange he transferred to Iran some of the sensitive intelligence information received by Turkey from the Americans. Israel believes that Fidan as a whole is “too conciliatory” towards Iran and therefore does not deserve trust. The elimination of pro-Western generals from power also did not add to his sympathy in the West. From the article it is clear that in Washington, Fidan is considered the author of the Turkish national security strategy and is unhappy that it "in some respects contradicts the interests of the United States." The purpose of the American attacks on Turkey at the moment, apparently, is twofold - to remove responsibility from the White House and at the same time discredit the inconvenient Fidan.

Americans point out that MIT, under the leadership of Fidan, acted as a “road policeman”, passing through border points weapon and reinforcements to the Syrian rebels. At the same time, moderate oppositionists argue that the main deliveries initially came not to them, but to the Islamists. It was alleged that B. Obama back in May during Erdogan’s visit to Washington during the meeting, at which Fidan was also present, criticized the Turks for supplying weapons to “not those rebels, such as anti-Western jihadists.”

Turkish analysts believe that the publication in the WSJ is directed not only against Hakan Fidan, but also indirectly against R. Erdogan himself: both were exposed as the main culprits of the al-Qaida rise. However, after all, the Americans themselves until recently closed their eyes to the activity of Al-Qaeda in Syria, deliberately minimizing its scale. Washington’s position is hypocritical because it continues to supply weapons to groups that recently announced a merger with Jabhat al-Nusra into a single “Islamic coalition.” In fact, all this time, the American special services were perfectly aware of the contacts of the Turks with al-Qaida as a real fighting force opposing Bashar Assad.

The Turkish leadership is reaping the storm, sowing the wind, even if not alone, but with the Americans. Turkish opposition media are eagerly catching up on this topic. They write, for example, that the creation of an al-Qaeda grouping "The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" (ISIS) of an Islamic emirate on the border with Turkey is a direct consequence of Ankara’s policy. "You do not want to have a common border with the autonomous region of Syrian Kurds, you will have it with al-Qaeda."

As the Turkish publicist Cengiz Candar notes, the statements of the country's government that it does not provide any support to the Al-Qaida units in Syria and on its territory, no one believes for a long time. It is known, for example, that Jabhat al-Nusra, which later declared its orientation to Al-Qaida, was founded with the support of Turkish intelligence. Ankara even called the decision of the US State Department to declare the organization a terrorist organization in December 2012, unjustified and “premature”. So, all attempts by Erdogan to declare at the moment that he was not unaccustomed to the front of Jabhat al-Nusra are untenable. More than half of the members of the most radical ISIS al-Qaeda group to date have come from abroad. Without the help of Turkey this would have been impossible. The recent Human Rights Watch (HRW) report convincingly showed that behind all radical Islamist organizations in Syria there is broad support coming from Turkey. According to Cengiz Chandar, this position is largely due to the desire to weaken the Syrian Kurds, but as a result, the Turkish leadership turns them into their enemies. Suffice it to say that a few days ago al-Qaeda killed Servan Muslim, the son of Syrian Kurdish leader Saleh Muslim, on the border with Turkey. The latter also accused Ankara of providing military assistance to Jabhat al-Nusra units in their fight against the Kurds, including by firing at their positions.

Ankara's statements that it supports moderate opposition in Syria, or at least the Muslim Brotherhood, have not been supported by anything for a long time. Umit Ozdag (Umit Ozdag), head of the 21st Century Turkey Institute Institute, believes that these groups do not have strong positions in Syria. Only Al-Qaida-related organizations are fighting, "and there is no reason to expect that they will cooperate with the opposition supported by the West." He accuses the leadership of the country that it has drawn Turkey into the “Syrian swamp”.

A well-known Middle East expert, Robert Fisk, in an article in The Independent, writes that Turkey has become a supply channel and a base for Syrian jihadists, just like Pakistan for the Taliban in Afghanistan. Does not the same difficult fate await Turkey in this case, like Pakistan?

The policy pursued by Ankara over Syria over the past years not only suffered a complete collapse, but also threatens Turkey itself. Thus, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant group in Al-Qaeda affiliated with Al-Qaida threatened Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan with a series of terrorist attacks in Istanbul and Ankara, if the Turkish government does not open checkpoints on the Turkish-Syrian border, closed after the Islamists took control of the Syrian border town of Azaz. Militants seized this city, displacing units of the Free Syrian Army (SSA) from there. Fierce battles around the city are still going on. The Azaz checkpoint is one of the largest points for the transfer of material and technical assistance to the rebels. Since the capture of Azaz by the radicals, the supply of the SSA with weapons and humanitarian assistance has become seriously complicated.

Turkey has no immunity from the spread of radicalism. By some estimates, more than 500 young Turks are fighting in Syria. Al-Qaida cells in Turkish territory are actively recruiting young members. Ankara is only a temporary ally for them, and the Erdogan regime is “too moderate” to recognize it as legitimate. Hands reach him. Chemical weapons, to which the Syrian opposition has reached, have already emerged in a number of cases in Turkey. It cannot be ruled out that in the case of attempts to stop their activities, al-Qaida cells may use chemical weapons against the Turkish authorities.

Turkish leadership course held in Syria will eventually lead to the fact that the return wave sown chaos there overflowed and Turkey. So Hakan Fidan strategy really can not be considered successful.

However, maybe this will be an instructive lesson in terms of relations between Turkey and its strategic partner in NATO. Playing someone else's game, it is easy to be guilty for all the blunders of the real initiator of this game - the United States, who have gained tremendous experience in timely discarding of played cards.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 15: 36
    18
    It’s funny. At first they gave money, they showed the direction, and then they blamed it. Another search for the scapegoat.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 22 October 2013 19: 04
      +7
      everything is correct. some people have long said that this will all come out sideways with Turkey. Israel doesn’t need strong neighbors nearby. they are ready to put up with a bunch of terrorists, since they can be killed in hundreds and thousands, without regard to the world community, and the West will also applaud them.
      so that everything according to their plan, for now, is now eliminating chemical weapons in Syria, only Israel is still afraid of it, then the invasion of Syria.
      Turkey, Egypt and Iran will probably collapse from the inside.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 October 2013 19: 29
      +5
      And what do you think, will they blame themselves for their own mistakes?
    3. alone
      alone 22 October 2013 19: 50
      +9
      laughing it is necessary to blame on someone their miscalculations)))
      1. smile
        smile 22 October 2013 20: 24
        +5
        alone
        I really hope. that these are miscalculations and not calculations. Because if these were the original plans. it will be shameful to all, to them and to you and us.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 21: 09
          +2
          Quote: smile
          I really hope. that these are miscalculations and not calculations. Because if these were the original plans. it will be shameful to all, to them and to you and us.

          I thought I was a pessimist. laughing But your thought is not without meaning, on the contrary. Therefore, it is better to proceed from the worst options. hi
          1. Igor39
            Igor39 22 October 2013 22: 47
            +3
            A pessimist is a well-informed optimist! laughing
          2. smile
            smile 22 October 2013 23: 42
            +2
            Ingvar 72
            Yes, no - this is not pessimism - this is a sense of self-preservation. :)))
            And we have similar positions with you in many ways, even though we sometimes barked ... :))) Although, I must admit, now that it has been found that the opinions are in many respects similar, it is somehow ashamed to swear with you ... if people respect each other, they always agree ..... to the common good. :))))
      2. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 22 October 2013 20: 57
        +3
        Good evening everyone !!! In the EAST there is a very old, but very wise, proverb: "Do not warm the snake on your chest, it will bite !!!" The same thing happened with al-Qaeda. Raised on money by the US CIA, this organization, in fact, became an empire. The American curators of al-Qaeda were pushed aside. Outraged by this turn of affairs, the US CIA frantically began to look for "scapegoats. "This is what Turkey has become.
      3. Hudo
        Hudo 22 October 2013 21: 16
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        laughing it is necessary to blame on someone their miscalculations)))


        It would be more appropriate to say "translate arrows"quite by the way a goof who has turned up under the arm.
      4. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 22 October 2013 21: 21
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        you have to blame your miscalculations on someone

        Pay attention when the hysteria began, precisely after the Chinese anti-aircraft defense system won the tender!
    4. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 20: 20
      +4
      Ingvar
      Some Turkish senior security officials have long been confident in the US interest in dismembering Turkey (they said before Erdogan). Ours also spoke out on this subject.
      One gets the impression that they were right. and Erdogan drove himself and his country into a trap. In the same way as Saddamitch drove himself into a trap at one time. That is only surprising. how much can you get into the same hunting pit dug by the same hunter, practically in the same place? Erdogan is jumping, that his Turkish military will be exchanged for someone more reasonable .... Otherwise, the Kurdish problem will seem like flowers to the Turks ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 October 2013 20: 39
        +1
        Americans are now incapable of such multi-paths.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 22 October 2013 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Americans are now incapable of such multi-paths.


          Do you think Americans are playing the dark?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 October 2013 20: 58
            +4
            In my opinion, they have been played in the dark since the days of Bush Jr. The Cold War "victory" hit them too hard - they became overconfident. Why, Brzezinski is a super-patriot, but he also openly says that US foreign policy has nothing to do with either reason or the country's interests.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 22 October 2013 21: 12
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              In my opinion, they have been playing blindly since the time of Bush Jr.


              And as for me, they (the United States), deprived of an external opposition from the Soviet side after some stage of the Cold War, simply swell and burst, like a resident of the sea depths sharply pulled to the surface and the disturbed balance between internal and external pressure should end badly for them (USA ) organism.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 21: 19
            +2
            Quote: Hudo
            Do you think Americans are playing the dark?

            Quite possible. Moreover, the dollar as a world currency has exhausted itself. And the debts there are such that it is foolish to hope for a return. I think the typewriter is preparing a move.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 22 October 2013 21: 22
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I think the typewriter is preparing a move.


              And where? To Beijing, or maybe to Geneva?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 21: 45
                +1
                Quote: Hudo
                And where? To Beijing, or maybe to Geneva?

                I don’t know. If only not for us.
        2. smile
          smile 22 October 2013 20: 52
          +1
          Lopatov
          God grant, God grant .... I certainly understand that it is harmful to overestimate the enemy, but it is also dangerous to underestimate.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 October 2013 21: 00
            +1
            And who told you that our main opponent in this region is the USA?
            1. smile
              smile 23 October 2013 00: 28
              0
              Lopatov
              No one said that. And I don’t think about the region myself .... it’s just that the United States is our global adversary, so far there isn’t anywhere else, and it’s better to be able to make multi-ways to less dangerous opponents, but not to them.
        3. shinobi
          shinobi 22 October 2013 21: 03
          +1
          of course, the Americans sank drastically without serious competition in the 90s, they have atas complete politics. But unfortunately they still have enough bright minds.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 October 2013 21: 58
            -1
            There are enough bright minds. However, they do not seem to be allowed to lead foreign policy.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 21: 14
        0
        Quote: smile
        That is only surprising. how much you can get into the same hunting pit dug by the same hunter,

        Russia, in relation to England, also stepped on a rake more than once. Regarding the dismemberment of Turkey, it seems to me that you are a little excited, they hardly need chaos on the Bosphorus. Most likely, the matter will be limited to a strict reprimand with entry.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 22 October 2013 21: 20
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Regarding the dismemberment of Turkey, it seems to me that you are a little excited, they hardly need chaos on the Bosphorus. Most likely, the matter will be limited to a strict reprimand with entry.


          But have the Erdogans pulled the Kurdish stiff collar to behave more obediently? Tugging from Fashington for the leash of this collar, the Americans hope to extract barking and whining from the Erdogans at the time necessary.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 October 2013 21: 42
            +2
            Quote: Hudo
            But did the Kurdish hard collar get pulled on to the Erdogans to behave more obediently

            Likely
        2. smile
          smile 23 October 2013 00: 32
          +1
          Ingvar 72
          The jester knows, maybe he got excited, but statements that ours, that Turkish high-ranking representatives of intelligence services on this subject were a fact.
      3. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 22 October 2013 21: 25
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Erdogan is jumping, that his Turkish military will be exchanged for someone more reasonable .... Otherwise, the Kurdish problem to the Turks will seem like flowers.


        The military no longer has the right to make coups! The constitution has been changed!

        We have not a problem with the Kurds, but with the PKK! hi
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 October 2013 22: 20
          +2
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The military no longer has the right to make coups! The constitution has been changed!

          Quote: Kozma Prutkov (Count A.K. Tolstoy and Co.)
          At the sight of serviceable ammunition
          How despicable all the constitutions are!
        2. smile
          smile 22 October 2013 23: 34
          0
          ayyildiz
          Wow, I didn’t know that you were a Turk.
          I do not think that if the country is on the brink of disaster, someone will take into account whether the constitution impedes the salvation of the country or not. The influence of the Army in Turkey is traditionally very significant, say no? :)))
          As for the Kurds ... I don’t want to raise the topic, it is unlikely that you will enjoy it ... but there is still a problem with the Kurds ... and not only with the PKK, and not only in your country ... and, I'm sorry, I don’t I believe that you are right about them in everything ... just like I can not consider the Kurds as lambs ... and not only from the PKK. What kind of lamb are they in figs? :)))
    5. alexng
      alexng 23 October 2013 01: 13
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Another search for the scapegoat.


      The Americans themselves call their vassals jokes, and they always throw jackals after they are used, being jackals themselves. Sorry for the tautology. Like attracts like.
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 October 2013 18: 48
    16
    the main culprit for the renaissance of al-Qaeda is "assigned" Turkey, which "simple-minded Americans" have too trusted

    get me out from under the table. I can't get up from laughter
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 October 2013 18: 49
      +5
      Quote: andrei332809
      get me out from under the table. I can't get up from laughter

      Let's get out together. smile
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 22 October 2013 19: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Let's get out together.

        After such a "blow" it is not easy to do wassat
  3. Zbigniew McCain
    Zbigniew McCain 22 October 2013 18: 49
    -4
    Americans and Russians brilliantly played good and bad cops, now their owners in Israel have less than one headache. Chem. Assad does not have weapons; in a few months, Israel will bomb Syria.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 19: 10
      0
      Quote: Zbigniew McCain
      in a few months, Israel will bomb Syria.


      Yeah, and will receive on its borders Alkaida in full force. Do they need it?
      1. Zbigniew McCain
        Zbigniew McCain 22 October 2013 19: 46
        +2
        Quote: Hudo
        Yeah, and will receive on its borders Alkaida in full force. Do they need it?

        Israel is surrounded by Hezbollah, Hamas and all sorts of jihad groups in Palestine, Syria and already Salafi Egypt. Something happened? Israel, if necessary, will bomb all of them and moreover harshly, without looking back at the opinion of the "international community"
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 22 October 2013 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: Zbigniew McCain
          Israel is surrounded by Hezbollah, Hamas and all sorts of jihad groups in Palestine, Syria and already Salafi Egypt. Something happened


          Israel as a state is not very sympathetic to me, but I must say bluntly - idiots who want to get selected jihadists-thugs dreaming of destroying the state of Israel directly are not there!
      2. Starfish
        Starfish 22 October 2013 22: 30
        0
        Yeah, and will receive on its borders Alkaida in full force. Do they need it?

        Yes, Israel wanted to sneeze on al-Qaeda, well, at least his leadership.
        the existence of Israel is not a threat to terrorists, but only strong armies of strong neighbors. Israel resolves this problem step by step, and the terrorists have a side effect, and even, paradoxically, a temporary fellow traveler. their only goal now is the overthrow of secular regimes in the Middle East, and then the paths will diverge.
    2. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 20: 30
      +5
      Zbigniew McCain
      Well, yes, yes, you couldn’t blame us. Sometimes it surprises me how convoluted and bizarre is the thinking of the Russophobe. :))) Your thoughts are worthy of entering into the annals ... :))) in principle, and you yourself have a place ... in the annals ... you will go there yourself. or should I ask? :))) I ask .... I say a magic word- Please! :)))
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 22 October 2013 22: 24
        +1
        Quote: smile
        in principle, and you yourself have a place ... in annals

        Actually, in this word "n" is not doubled. And so everything is correct.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 October 2013 22: 30
          +2
          ABOUT! I just looked at ZM's profile, the admins sent him just there (to the "Banned" group). All that's left is a drink drinks for the rest am his soul.
        2. smile
          smile 22 October 2013 23: 00
          +1
          Revolver
          Well, the moderators are watching zhezh - their work is so, you can understand them ... therefore, I double ... I will have to "build" ... as soon as you do not twist to express your attitude, that is to say, get nasty, and on the neck for this you will not get ... deservedly. :)))
  4. Saharok
    Saharok 22 October 2013 18: 50
    +4
    ahahaha ... The Turks are one of the main United States and NATO singers now not to please the current kings of the White-Dur-House?
    Or do omnipotent Americans and their Jewish friends consider Turkey so shameful satellite that they will be accused of all sins and then they will say that they forgive for a certain amount or service?
  5. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 22 October 2013 19: 09
    +5
    from the Don.
    The Turks, in life, have always been either French, now shaved, or Germans. This time the Americans! Some rake by the Turks on the history road, but they do not teach them anything!
    1. smile
      smile 22 October 2013 20: 36
      +3
      borisjdin1957
      Well, until the ages of 18, everything was fine with them ... and then somehow yes ... we allowed ourselves to be led into the brawls by the Europeans, which led them to collapse ... we, by the way, also trampled on the same rake, early to mid-19th century, that in the 14-17 years of the 20th century ...
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 22 October 2013 21: 55
      +3
      The Angles of the Turks used against us as they wanted, but they themselves remained on the sidelines. And then the British smiled sweetly at us. And now their politics are no better, they are covering up our thieves. And also cute otmazyvaet.
      1. smile
        smile 22 October 2013 23: 21
        +2
        Siberian
        It's like that. But there was a period when we, together with the Turks, beat the French. In 1798, our countries had a great opportunity to settle their squabbles and give European comrades hands. Ours had excellent relations with the then Turkish Sultan. whose wisdom allowed him to transgress through Turkish ambitions and stop quarreling with us. And what were the plans for cooperation on both sides ....
        I am convinced that such a policy would benefit both us and them. And it would give us the opportunity, on the one hand, to demand equality for the non-Muslim population of the Balkans, and on the other hand, it would save us from a century of Russian-Turkish wars and fights in the Caucasus (well, the Turks would just keep the state) ..... but the sultan was replaced, and Turkey climbed to finish herself off with Russian bayonets ... in the interests of aliens much more than we Europeans ... one, then the other ... in general, this can be called a Russian-Turkish tragedy, since it benefited from this mostly Europeans.
  6. Siberian
    Siberian 22 October 2013 19: 14
    +2
    It's time to look for the guilty. And in Washington they started it.
    They love it, make porridge, and then dump the others. And we, as it were, have nothing to do with it.
  7. Yugra
    Yugra 22 October 2013 19: 14
    +7
    The expansion of al Qaeda militants is carried out by the Turks, but with the help and with the participation of the Americans, it’s a fact.
  8. vkrav
    vkrav 22 October 2013 19: 15
    +2
    How fabulously everything comes out laughing "The strong is always the powerless to blame!" (C)
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 22 October 2013 19: 55
      +3
      Here are the Turks and rush about. They don’t know how to find themselves, so as not to get hit by a club from one or the other side. This is their problem. Although they are cunning citizens, they are most likely to adjust to the right track, they are waiting.
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 October 2013 19: 52
    +2
    the main culprit for the al-Qaeda renaissance was “assigned” to Turkey, which the “simple-minded Americans” too trusted, and personally the head of Turkish intelligence (MIT), Hakan Fidan, called the “main active force” in organizing a rebellion against the Syrian regime.
    ha ha ha I was sure of this "naive Turkish boys .. (with his fighter shot down and the military rhetoric" Erdogan the parrot .. ") All other countries bordering on Syria (except Iran) such sheep are quiet and modest" fighters for peace .. " crying
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 22 October 2013 22: 36
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      All other countries bordering Syria (except Iran)

      You would first look at the map in search of what place Syria borders on Iran (hint: none), and then post it.
  10. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 October 2013 19: 54
    +3
    Quote: "The course pursued by the Turkish leadership in Syria will eventually lead to the fact that the return wave of the chaos sown there will overwhelm Turkey as well."
    The mindless, irrational policy of the United States in relation to Syria, begins to boomerang to slam the obliging satellite of the Americans - the Turks. The Turks climbed out of their skin in order to fulfill all the whims of Washington to destabilize the situation around Syria. Turkish politicians cooperated with terrorist organizations. arming them, giving them full support. All this chaos can gradually spread to Turkey itself.
  11. Savva30
    Savva30 22 October 2013 20: 01
    +4
    He flew to Turkey, helped the Turkish intelligence with money, and she helps all sorts of mud ... but do we need this?
    1. fuad777
      fuad777 22 October 2013 21: 58
      +3
      And it’s weak not to let go to the Turks a wife-daughter-mother-sister ???)))))
  12. Strashila
    Strashila 22 October 2013 20: 07
    +2
    It is encouraging ... the search for the extremes on the Syrian issue began ... one gets the impression that the Americans could not account for the allocated money, obviously not a little bit shy ... well, the arrows moved to the Turks ... ask from the co-religionists ... we, like moreover.
  13. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 22 October 2013 20: 36
    +9
    Well, in the first place, the Turks themselves were to blame, for which they fought for it and ran into it. We played in the great Turan. Even if the Americans did not promise the Turks that it meant that they would not be thrown. If a gentleman stops making rules, then the gentleman changes these rules. The Anglo-Saxons have no friends or allies, but only their interests. It's time to remember.
  14. Migari
    Migari 22 October 2013 20: 50
    +3
    Everything is as it should be, they brought up a Ben-Ladan CIA agent with al-Qaeda, against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan, they armed them well, and now they continue to arm them in Syria, and when it came to mind that they got into the ass with a finger, they found a goat.
  15. Arkan
    Arkan 22 October 2013 20: 51
    +7
    If you drink water from a rotten well, do not be surprised that your stomach is damaged. Turkish proverb.
  16. shinobi
    shinobi 22 October 2013 21: 08
    +3
    Some of our orientalists, not Murid, after the start of the Syrian events, predicted that the Yankees would merge Turkey at the end.
  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 October 2013 21: 09
    +2
    If Russia does not punish these "modest lambs, camels and donkeys ..) Then I am sure that after 2 years Russia did not participate in the Syrian crisis at all .. These are all border" peace-loving countries (under the leadership (from Tel Aviv) of the Nobel Peace Prize laureate Barak) defended Syria! That's how it will be ... I think .. (I'm even sure ..)
  18. Arminian power
    Arminian power 22 October 2013 21: 29
    0
    Well, it went wink
  19. piotr534
    piotr534 22 October 2013 21: 36
    0
    It seems that this is amerov's plan-B in the Syrian war. Although the plan to change the Assad regime failed, but it was possible to sow chaos in the region, and this is one of the goals of the United States. The more countries you manage to plunge into chaos, the easier it is to govern these countries or too much many began to show independence. Amer multipolar world like a bone in the throat, they are also "an exceptional nation."
  20. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 22 October 2013 21: 41
    0
    On the other hand, everyone knows perfectly well who raised Al-Qaeda. But the Americans are arrogant, as the people say, "they will refuse the warm," and to find the extreme is sacred for them. wassat
  21. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 22 October 2013 22: 02
    0
    What a twist! Is Erdogan not legitimate? How so.
  22. wax
    wax 22 October 2013 22: 08
    0
    Turkey and the States in one military alliance, therefore, we can only talk about a game in public.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 22 October 2013 22: 18
      +3
      Quote: Wax
      Turkey and the States in one military alliance, therefore, we can only talk about a game in public.


      Oh how !!! Duc passengers of the "Titanic" also swam on the same trough until they began to sink. True, then there were some differences - the passengers of the 3rd class - under lock and key, and the public of the 1st class - in the boats. The difference in fate was surprisingly striking.
  23. scientist
    scientist 22 October 2013 22: 17
    0
    It would be surprising if the United States admitted its mistake. Qatar, for example, understood everything and quickly extends a helping hand to Syria, maybe Turkey will realize that they were stupidly framed.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 22 October 2013 22: 24
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      Qatar, for example, understood everything and quickly extends a helping hand to Syria, maybe Turkey will realize that they were stupidly framed.

      maybe so, or maybe not.
      why all these dances with tambourines - we, ordinary people, will find out only next year. because until July 2014 the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria is planned. until then, it is unlikely that anyone will dare to openly violate the status quo.
      a temporary truce, so to speak, during which there may be dashes from camp to camp
  24. Hudo
    Hudo 22 October 2013 22: 20
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    Quote: scientist
    Qatar, for example, understood everything and quickly reaches out to Syria,


    Everyone would have slept much calmer if Qatar had stretched out legs.
    It is doubtful that Al Assad would be led to such a curtsy.
  25. Director
    Director 22 October 2013 23: 50
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    Turkey did not live up to Washington's hopes for an active role in the overthrow of the Assad regime. Not waiting for the Turkish intervention in Syria, Obama turned to another strong player in the region - Iran.