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Russia will help the migration commissioners?

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Until the thunder clap, the peasant will not cross himself ... The thunder of migration problems in Russia has repeatedly boomed: from shooting prancing "Caucasian" weddings in the center of the capital to criminal violence on domestic, ethnic and religious grounds, from the dominance of illegal immigrants to the markets to the manifestation of special activity of radical preachers. Only here not all men, as the saying goes, were baptized ... Representatives of the authorities (in particular, law enforcement agencies) continued to declare that they are ready to solve the problems of illegal migration, ethnic and not only ethnic criminalization of outlets and religious institutions, and keep the situation under control . Only this control was clearly unintelligible, which resulted in new and new criminal episodes.


It seems that the last thunder, after which the authorities wanted to "cross themselves" and the authorities too, was the sensational murder in the Moscow district of West Biryulyovo. And not so much the murder itself, as the reaction of ordinary Russian citizens to the situation that leads to such criminal manifestations. Mass riots in the south of the capital, a huge resonance in the press, the growth of nationalist sentiment in society has forced the authorities to think about finding ways to solve the urgent issue of migration control. What are these ways, and what could be their effectiveness? Worth discussing.

One of the ways to solve the problem was suggested by the members of the Council on Interethnic Relations under the President of the Russian Federation. The members of the council decided to appeal to the president of the country in order to appoint a specific person who would deal with issues of inter-ethnic politics and migration in the country - a sort of ombudsman for nationalities and migration.



It is worth noting that the president himself is the chairman of the Council for Inter-Ethnic Relations (CIO) under the president ... Therefore, it can be assumed with great probability that Vladimir Putin will be ready, as they say, to comprehensively consider the proposals of the "ordinary" council members. By the way, the next meeting of the SMO will be held in Ufa, and will also be devoted, among other things, to discussing the question of vesting a particular person in Russia with special powers.

Now it is said that the Ombudsman for interethnic issues and migration issues (migration commissioner) will have to first of all intensify the work of individual departments that are currently engaged in dealing with migration and national issues in the Russian Federation. In addition, the post of migration commissioner, according to those who came up with the relevant idea, is also being introduced, so that there is someone to ask ...

Proceeding from such a message from the authors of the idea, it turns out that today in Russia for uncontrolled migration, crimes on ethnic grounds and public explosions, which reveal themselves in this regard, there is nobody to ask. In this regard, the question arises: what did the representatives of the FMS, law enforcement agencies, and the very Council for Interethnic Relations under the President, in the end, do to this day? That is, it turns out that the proverb about the eyeless child of seven nannies worked again, and it was impossible to ask one of these nannies for an oversight for the “child” ... Somewhat strange position. If it is really impossible, then for what purpose then all these state "institutions" exist?

So, let us assume that in the near future a so-called migration commissioner will appear in Russia, who will have to restore order in relations between various departments. The need to establish such an interdepartmental order is expressed, for example, by State Duma deputy Alexei Zhuravlev, representing the United Russia faction in Duma, but somehow for some reason presiding in the Rodina political party, before joining the party, first a member of the CPSU, then the Communist Party The RSFSR, and then the "Fair Russia" ... Alexey Zhuravlev, let's say, part-time, works in the aforementioned Council for Interethnic Relations under the President.

What will the “inter-ethnic” ombudsman be directly involved in, and what will be his powers? The authors of the idea say that the authority should be the widest (up to the expulsion of illegal migrants from the country), and the migration commissioner will obey only the president and no one else. But how effective will such work be? In the conditions of total bureaucratization, an inter-ethnic ombudsman that has emerged can turn into a kind of scapegoat on which it will be possible to recoup all branches of government and in addition to the public for any inter-ethnic friction. There is a high probability that after the appearance of such a position, the same people who initiated it, will declare: we have a migration commissioner, now all the questions to him are asked, and the FMS, the police, the legislative, the executive and the judiciary wash their hands. In such a situation, the post of migration commissioner will be, if not shooting, then something close ...

And to what extent will the departments of Konstantin Romodanovsky and Vladimir Kolokoltsev be prepared to obey the instructions of the migration commissioner? This is also not an idle question. In order to submit, we, as you know, even the legislative framework is sometimes not enough. Something else is needed ... “Something else” in this case is the authority that such a person should possess. And the authority is indisputable, otherwise the whole idea is no more than puff even before the start of its full implementation.

It should be noted that among the experts have already shown themselves those who believe that one commissioner will not be enough to solve the problem, and that at least two are needed. In style: one commissioner is good, but two is better ... A sort of commissar tandem, which again can lead to the next incarnation of the proverb about the seven nannies. The author of the idea of ​​a “commissar tandem” is, in particular, Mikhail Denisenko, who is a staff member of the Higher School of Economics.

There are representatives of the CMO, who claim that even two commissioners for migration and interethnic relations will not be enough. Such members include, in particular, the State Duma deputy, Cossack ataman Viktor Vodolatsky. According to Mr. Vodolatsky, Russia needs to create a new ministry that will deal exclusively with national issues and migration issues.

Russia will help the migration commissioners?


No, you can certainly fully agree with the proposals of deputies and other experts and create a whole placer of "responsible", but will this solve the problem itself? If, for example, in some urban neighborhood roofs are leaking in most residential buildings, then you can appoint as many special commissioners as to roof repairs, even create a committee in the State Duma or an entire roofing ministry in the government of the country, but who can patch the roof the end result is that the head does not drip? ..

If there are more than 13 millions of foreign migrants in the country, including a large percentage of illegal immigrants, and if the legislative base tells us that almost all of them are our economic saviors, then you can attach a “national” ombudsman to at least everyone - a close sense to zero.
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  1. shpuntik
    shpuntik 21 October 2013 07: 51
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    So, suppose that in Russia in the near future a so-called migration commissioner will really appear, who will have to put things in order in relations between different departments. The need for such an interdepartmental order is expressed, for example, State Duma deputy Alexei Zhuravlev, representing the United Russia Duma faction,

    What are the ombudsmen ??? They didn’t even give the command to roll our fingers. Not at the entrance to the country, not on the subway. This is on top of us "splash", see what happens.
    1. a52333
      a52333 21 October 2013 08: 03
      12
      Introduce a visa regime, and those who arrived officially - a beacon, do not stand on ceremony.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 21 October 2013 08: 42
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        Army General
        a52333 RU Today, 08:03 ↑ New
        Introduce a visa regime, and those who arrived officially - a beacon, do not stand on ceremony.

        Right! good And for your money. I violated back on foot if I didn’t earn a ticket.
        1. vedmeddd
          vedmeddd 21 October 2013 12: 30
          +5
          Not, not on foot, but for compulsory work, and for the most difficult ones, and for a long time, so that they plow for free!
          1. sir
            sir 22 October 2013 09: 28
            0
            I agree, they want to work, let them work for the good of the state
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 21 October 2013 09: 33
        -3
        The simplicity bracelet!
        I liked the interview with a resident of St. Petersburg in which she was asked, but would she go to work as a janitor? The answer is approximately: no - there you have to plow for 12 thousand. what
        In such a situation, it is surprising for some reason that "Spider" Troitsky is not yet in power - he promised to replace all Gaster with robots after winning the elections. Seriously - consider the option. A bunch of pluses - industrial development, high-tech jobs, Skolkovo is in business! You look and you don't need bracelets - robots can be made with built-in ones! laughing
        1. queen
          queen 21 October 2013 10: 35
          +8
          Quote: SHILO
          The answer is approximately: no - there you have to plow for 12 thousand.

          if you don’t know, then they would be silent .. according to the salary list of the wiper 30-33 t / r.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 October 2013 10: 41
            +9
            According to the statement. 10-12 on hand
            1. queen
              queen 21 October 2013 11: 46
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              According to the statement. 10-12 on hand

              Not for the Slavs ... they don’t go.
            2. Dimon-chik-79
              Dimon-chik-79 21 October 2013 12: 07
              +5
              Defining condition! It becomes clear where the rest go about 10-15 tr.
            3. Orik
              Orik 21 October 2013 14: 50
              +3
              That's right, when it’s 25-30 per plot, they’ll go. For two sections 50-60, and this is a completely normal rate of production.
              1. AVV
                AVV 22 October 2013 10: 22
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                It is necessary first of all to deal with the crook from the housekeeping and punish, for the fact that they don’t give the full wages to the janitors !!! If they paid the full, the Russians would work !!!
          2. SHILO
            SHILO 21 October 2013 12: 31
            +9
            queen
            if you don’t know, then they would be silent .. according to the salary list of the wiper 30-33 t / r.


            Vladimir Sergeevich dear! I'm not talking about salaries.
            If you wish, you can fly around at the border - there would be a desire and money. I am for the fact that there is no desire and money to scatter stupidity, greed and officials with completely Slavic faces from the Federal Migration Service, the police and other responsible structures who for the profits from these same guest workers live and bring to Birilevo. We are fighting the consequences, and this, as you know, is not grateful work!
          3. Orik
            Orik 21 October 2013 14: 48
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            For two sites. laughing
        2. Megatron
          Megatron 21 October 2013 18: 38
          +1
          And will you work for 12tr?
          The problem is not in the "snickering" who do not want to, but in the fact that the authorities and business do not want to provide normal working conditions. But before the janitors were given apartments. So that.
    2. APES
      APES 21 October 2013 08: 47
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      Russia will be helped by the emergency migration Troika.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 21 October 2013 09: 11
        10
        Everyone knows and understands everything perfectly. There are similar situations in the world, for example Kosovo. Therefore, as the authorities called it, "riots" are nothing more than a population's struggle for self-preservation. There is nothing more natural in nature than the struggle for survival and protection of your habitat, otherwise natural selection will do its job. It seems that our population with the instinct of self-preservation is all right.
      2. Mitek
        Mitek 21 October 2013 09: 41
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        Quote: APES
        Russia will be helped by the emergency migration Troika.

        And the triples will not help. We have all the levers and laws to put things in order. Just rubbish roofs illegal immigrants. We must not invent another garbage, but change the system. Introducing draconian responsibility is not for illegal immigrants (for the most part they are normal people), but for our CITIZENS. Problems from chumping everything. The Ministry of Internal Affairs should be reformed normally, having expelled all the top to the horseradish, all the heads of the police department and their deputies, the State Duma should be abolished as a bunch of morons, the jurisdiction of prosecutors and judges should be abolished, bureaucrats should be torn as sidor goats, confiscation of property for bureaucrats and their relatives if they could not prove that honestly earned and paid taxes .... Yes, a lot of things are needed, but with this power there will be nothing ..
        1. yurii p
          yurii p 21 October 2013 10: 18
          +4
          the migration problems have been completely corrected, and not only because of the lawlessness of the bureaucrats in power, but we are offered to create another bureaucratic structure, if there were no untouchables, there would be order even under current laws, the fish rots from the head.
          1. queen
            queen 21 October 2013 10: 40
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            Quote: yurii p
            the fish rots from the head.

            and those who chose PU. they now have Russian citizenship.
        2. APES
          APES 21 October 2013 10: 31
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          Great, but weak to start with yourself? In the sense that you just don’t be silent when you see a violation of the law. Write a statement to the prosecutor with a request to conduct an audit on the grounds of a crime. If you are not satisfied, then write to a higher authority until specific actions are taken. 02 to call if you see a crime and are near? To be a weak witness, to take the initiative yourself? The problem is that “my hut from the edge” is still dominant, but the situation is changing. The situation is changing in that the "Power" already felt a threat to its existence, and this is a different scenario.
          Specific examples:
          1. In my house, on the 1 floor, a municipal apartment - about two years ago 3 of incomprehensible comrades moved in, a year later there were 20 people there, with children, wives and it was not clear who. It became corny at the entrance, just someone began to steal light bulbs. An application to the prosecutor's office + a letter to the city administration - the result is not them.
          2. He walked along the street, in front of my eyes an accident, four guests come out and begin to press the driver (one and a Russian) - he just walked over, gave a business card, said that he had seen everything and was ready to be a witness. And that’s all, the run over immediately ended, probably so taken aback that they didn’t know how to drive - an unusual situation.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 21 October 2013 11: 19
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            Quote: APES
            just someone began to steal light bulbs. Application to the prosecutor

            Do prosecutors steal light bulbs? What did you write in the statement that it was getting dark?
            1. APES
              APES 21 October 2013 11: 50
              +6
              322.1 Article. Organization of illegal migration

              now the bulbs are in place, I don’t even know what connection
          2. Normal
            Normal 21 October 2013 11: 20
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            Quote: APES
            Write a statement to the prosecutor with a request to conduct an audit on the grounds of corpus delicti. If you are not satisfied, then write to a higher authority until specific actions are taken.

            Do you think that the Brulevaites did not write or complain? It’s just that in the examples you cited, there were subjects without a solid roof. The vegetable base in Biryulyovo had a solid roof.
            Quote: APES
            The problem is that “my hut from the edge” is still dominant, but the situation is changing. The situation is changing in that the "Power" already felt a threat to its existence,

            There is such a thing. But as soon as the Russians stop counting their hut on the edge and come to the aid of a friend, a cry about Russian nationalism rises immediately. But the situation does not change on its own, and not on the instructions from the top. The situation is changing due to street protests and protests. The authorities sensed a threat to their existence not from the side of migrants, but from the side of the indigenous population.
            1. APES
              APES 21 October 2013 12: 01
              +2
              What I heard on TV was that the friend was renting a room with a “native” Moskvich, who was not bothered, on what grounds, that friend came to Russia. He showed interest only when as many as a million awards were offered.
              Regarding the second part - I had this in mind.
          3. deman73
            deman73 21 October 2013 18: 58
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            I fully support you, instead of rubbing your tongue and knocking on the clave, you need to start with yourself first and force our authorities and organs to work as normal and everything will be fine
        3. queen
          queen 21 October 2013 10: 38
          +4
          huge + ... that's just like we are called extremist))))))
          1. APES
            APES 21 October 2013 11: 52
            +1
            And do not give a reason - call yourself an "extremist." Everything must be done with LOVE!
            Evil begets evil - this is a demonic circle into which as many people as possible want to draw in to destroy them. You can even punish with love, with care for a person who is under the power of Sin. Specifically, on the example of why everything stopped - but because even a good day told them and smiled, without any aggression on their part, and even with Good will, I feel sorry for them, like any person who walks in unrighteous ways.
            1. queen
              queen 21 October 2013 12: 07
              +1
              Quote: APES
              good afternoon told them and smiled, without any aggression on their part

              The people wanted a change ... but we were gullible ... and later they all bought it. And the rent is not eternal)))
              1. APES
                APES 21 October 2013 13: 40
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                “The unrighteous accumulates wealth for the righteous” - one of the parables of Solomon.
                In this world, everything is not just, and this world does not end there.
        4. pahom54
          pahom54 21 October 2013 10: 47
          +1
          I quote Miltek: "... And troikas won't help. We have all the levers and laws to put things in order ..."
          The laws are full, but they don’t work ... It seems that they are being accepted in the State Duma for no one and for what ... At one time, the boss told me one thing: did the job - sign off, did not - sign off three times, and no complaints to you will not ... That's about this scheme and adopted our laws.
          It is necessary from the authorities of any level (bureaucrats) to demand results, the effectiveness of their work, and not on paper, but in real life.
          And while the bureaucrat will not answer in full (and all his relatives !!! and dummies !!! to companies that he allegedly does not own) answer with his property, plus sentencing terms of 15 years or more (non-fulfillment of his authority or use of his official position should be classified as state crimes !!!) - there will be no sense.
          And so, some ombudsmen ... Unsubscribed, ticked off (that is, they appointed a scapegoat) and although the grass does not grow !!!
          Once again, such an attitude to solving urgent and problematic issues of the life of the state and the people confirms the fact that not only incompetent people are in power, but people who can be called "enemy of the people" without trial and investigation and apply appropriate punishment to them.
        5. Anper
          Anper 21 October 2013 10: 49
          10
          I would like to point out one detail: my husband repeatedly went to construction sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg (from Ukraine, of course, illegally - registration takes a lot of time and money). He always noted the goodwill of local residents. I was rounded up along with the "chumps" - the Ukrainians were only sluggishly scolded, treated to cigarettes and tea, and released with God. And an incredible number of "chocks" were bought from the monkey house by their own clean-shaven and superbly dressed compatriots. In general, he noted the extraordinary clannishness, rigid subordination, diligence and organization of their life at the construction site - an initiative that clearly did not come from simple hard workers. That is, in fact, something reminiscent of the IMFIA, especially when smart mvshin appear on the Russian construction site, having nothing to do with foremen, etc., but dealing purely with their own.
          Hence the conclusion - what ombudsmen ??? These are probably well-organized criminal groups (at least economically) AND THIS IS THE BUSINESS OF THE MOI, IT IS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA, it is a crime, and not some kind of violation of human rights. And in general, if you look objectively, whose rights are in fact violated?
          1. queen
            queen 21 October 2013 10: 57
            +5
            Quote: Anper
            from Ukraine, naturally illegal - registration takes too much time and money)

            so the government wants to impose on us that the enemies from Ukraine and Belarus .... He is not a migrant ... he is ours))))
          2. T-73
            T-73 21 October 2013 11: 49
            +9
            Russian and Ukrainian will never become enemies. We are one people. Let the Westerners Romanian-Polish grit their teeth. They are not Ukrainians. IMHO
        6. T-73
          T-73 21 October 2013 11: 25
          +1
          I can translate the arrows, but it seems that Russia is now mired in such obligations (Olympis, the World Cup, Universiade, etc.) that the authorities are afraid of everything. No one is going to rock the boat, they release everything on the brakes. The Brazilians are not shy about hating something football mundial. Are our expecting the same?
      3. queen
        queen 21 October 2013 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: APES
        Emergency migration Troika will help Russia

        it will only help the destruction of the Caucasus as an ulcer ... closing the borders. we have a lot ... and the full development of agriculture .... I’m not even at odds with moving)
    3. Starfish
      Starfish 21 October 2013 10: 04
      10
      What are the ombudsmen ???

      which ones? wonderful laughing
      They will again appoint some Akhmadshah Kadyrbaev as a migration commissar and he will immediately "put things in order".
      the authorities again did not learn any lessons from Biryulyovo. out of habit, he wants to drown everything in a talking room, creating new bureaucratic places.
      1. queen
        queen 21 October 2013 15: 53
        0
        Quote: Starfish
        What are the ombudsmen ???

        which ones? wonderful laughing
        They will again appoint some Akhmadshah Kadyrbaev as a migration commissar and he will immediately "put things in order".
        the authorities again did not learn any lessons from Biryulyovo. out of habit, he wants to drown everything in a talking room, creating new bureaucratic places.

        I'm sorry that you ... you yourself understand that power is powerless, that’s where Chechnya ended, even though it didn’t strike us .. and start calling yourself BERULEVSKY
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 21 October 2013 07: 58
    +9
    This is nonsense. So, imitation of ebullient activity. An event has occurred, something needs to be done to close the mouth of the people. Better then do nothing.
    1. Airman
      Airman 21 October 2013 09: 05
      +8
      Quote: FC Skiff
      This is nonsense. So, imitation of ebullient activity. An event has occurred, something needs to be done to close the mouth of the people. Better then do nothing.

      Correctly, seeing that the government is inactive, the people themselves will start to restore order, and then the authorities will not show enough. And now there’s just a chatter, instead of real actions to restore order. Why have NO measures been taken against the owners of other markets? Goods from this market were transported to neighboring ones, and everything continues as before.
  3. Combitor
    Combitor 21 October 2013 08: 01
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    We will soon throw a stone at someone - you will fall into the Ombudsman. It is from them. There are public services that should deal with each specific issue.
    Russia started its own children's ombudsman. The result is "Dima Yakovlev's Law" and Astakhov's PR company. That was the end of it. Something Russian orphans are in no hurry to adopt our domestic screamers about children's rights. Moreover, a new "fun" has appeared in Russia - surrogate children.
    Now migrants will also have their own "protector". But why is Mr. Romodanovsky needed then? It seems that it is the direct responsibility of him and the department subordinate to him to make proposals to restore order with migration and to stand in the way of the entry of illegal immigrants into our country, as well as to take measures so that "legalists" also do not become catastrophically more every day. 10 million migrants in half of 2013 is already an invading army.
    Power again throws dust in our eyes and hangs noodles on our ears (without quotes).
    No one will radically solve the problem of migration. Because this is a feeding trough for everyone who is tied to it. From a private entrepreneur running a street repair and cleaning company to senior Kremlin officials. Everyone on this has its own jackpot. Only the amounts are different. And the flow of migrants to Russia will only grow. Biryulyov, the case will not end.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 October 2013 08: 40
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      Quote: Kombitor
      you will get to the Ombudsman

      The name OMBUDSMAN already causes nausea. We take all crap from the west.
      1. avt
        avt 21 October 2013 09: 03
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The name OMBUDSMAN already causes nausea. We take all crap from the west.

        good Another budget brothel for "human rights activists" like Lukin's and the same mug will be put there and blowing from the TV screen will be in the ears negative
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 October 2013 09: 07
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The name OMBUDSMAN already causes nausea. We take all crap from the west.


        Many words from Europe
        They drive us to teach "donkeys".
        -Who, for example, an ombudsman?
        -That shoe all of Saman! smile
    2. shpuntik
      shpuntik 21 October 2013 08: 49
      +5
      Combo (2) SU Today, 08:01 AM New
      We will soon throw a stone at someone - you will fall into the Ombudsman.

      The other day I listened to Radzikhovsky on the "EAR" of Moscow, says that the artificially inflated case in Biryulyovo, they say, the power distracts from more important matters.
      Here is the recent news:
      MOSCOW, October 18. Three Kyrgyz citizens detained on suspicion of raping an elderly woman in Novokosino.
      More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2013/10/18/1189504.html
      The wind is blowing from here:

      1. Sewer
        Sewer 21 October 2013 09: 19
        +8
        Well, of course, who else but the Jews will teach everyone how to live!
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 21 October 2013 10: 20
          +6
          Sewer (1) RU Today, 09:19 ↑
          Well, of course, who else but the Jews will teach everyone how to live!

          Ah, then! Chosen people, let them answer fellow.
      2. T-73
        T-73 21 October 2013 12: 00
        0
        This strange woman just never knew the names of the great Europeans, what multiculturalism? They look like ostriches
  4. koksalek
    koksalek 21 October 2013 08: 02
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    Another babble when you need a solid word and action. The celestials have their own goals, the people have their own problems, these two straight lines do not intersect in any way
  5. waisson
    waisson 21 October 2013 08: 11
    +9
    don't need a solid hand and iron actions, and this is another bribe-taker position
  6. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 21 October 2013 08: 14
    +9
    The authorities signed their own powerlessness. Commissars, aphids ...
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 October 2013 08: 14
    +5
    One of the ways to solve the problem was suggested by the members of the Council on Interethnic Relations under the President of the Russian Federation. The members of the council decided to appeal to the president of the country in order to appoint a specific person who would deal with issues of inter-ethnic politics and migration in the country - a sort of ombudsman for nationalities and migration.


    Looking at these feeble attempts to resolve the global issue, "nothing will come of this swarm ...". There the French, in the person of Lee Peng, squealed. At one time they let foreigners from all their colonies, but now they do not know how to resolve this problem.
    The same fate awaits us.
  8. Daler
    Daler 21 October 2013 08: 21
    +1

    According to scientists, migrant labor provides 7-8% of Russia's GDP. As a REGNUM correspondent reports, Vladimir Volokh, a professor at the Institute of Public Administration and Law of the State University of Management, chairman of the Public Council under the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, said at a press conference on the topic: "Migration problems of modern Russia".

    Link: http://demoscope.ru/weekly/2013/0563/rossia01.php#18

    Question. How does a migrant who has entered the country legally become illegal? The problem is deeper. There are non-Russians with Russian citizenship, a passport, a wife, and have been living here for many years. They have the same attitude as those who have just arrived. Previously, everyone fought along with fascism, now what? You need a simple go out, and he is everywhere.
    There is such a joke - the Russian wants to expel all migrants from the Russian Federation and live abroad)). First, deal with each other, it is better to put the Ombudsman on deputies and officials.
    1. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 21 October 2013 08: 36
      +5
      Quote: Daler
      There are non-Russians with Russian citizenship, a passport, a wife,

      His wife is an old woman of about 70, the visitor himself is younger than Maxim Galkin. A happy marriage, love for all ages ... Registry offices must also be checked for any such marriages. Yes, these newcomers were lined with pieces of paper, but their value is equal to a false diploma about higher education, which was bought in the underpass.
      As for the commissioners, the idea is this: announce a public reward for an illegal immigrant or just for a newcomer, and everyone will rush into the migration commissars. Have a good hunt, fellow countrymen!
      1. Daler
        Daler 21 October 2013 08: 46
        0
        God, you missed my whole comment and got hooked only on citizenship, and you missed half. I spoke about real people who have children and who have been living here for many years. Such a swine attitude towards them, they did not kill, did not rob, did not want to establish Sharia, etc. There is a work permit, pay taxes. Just outwardly not Russian.

        All this will not lead to good. Speaking about illegal migrants, people think about non-Russians. But the Russian Federation is a multinational country, there is also the Caucasus as part of the Russian Federation ..
        1. Andrey from Tver
          Andrey from Tver 21 October 2013 09: 01
          +9
          Quote: Daler
          I talked about real people who have children

          You have not said anything about children before.
          Quote: Daler
          Such a swine attitude towards them, they did not kill, did not rob, did not want to establish Sharia, etc.

          Nothing of the kind, as a rule, to those who have long been known, no complaints.
          Quote: Daler
          All this will not lead to good.

          And before you think about it was laziness? In the 90s, didn’t they expel Russians from Tajikistan, having taken away all the property? What did the Russians do to you at that time?
          1. Daler
            Daler 21 October 2013 09: 08
            -1
            Nobody drove anyone out. In 90, Tajiks died the most. Then a lot of people, not only Russians but also those who simply could have left the country. In 90 it was worse than now in Syria, for example, Wahhabis fried babies alive, killed everyone from left to right.

            Of course, if someone knows each other, then there is no such swine relationship with them. I have friends Russian, Ukrainians, Kazakhs. With them everything is fine with me, wonderful friends. But this does not mean that if I go to visit Russia, then with just passers-by I will have the same relationship. 99% will be published over me.
            1. SCHUZMAN
              SCHUZMAN 21 October 2013 11: 21
              +5
              Quote: Daler
              Of course, if someone knows each other, then there is no such swine relationship with them. I have friends Russian, Ukrainians, Kazakhs. With them everything is fine with me, wonderful friends. But this does not mean that if I go to visit Russia, then with just passers-by I will have the same relationship. 99% will be published over me ..

              What nonsense are you talking about? I grew up on the street where Tatar families lived, and they still live there. There are Azerbaijanis, there are Kyrgyz, there have never been any claims from the Russians against them, they have been living for more than 10 years, no one is driving them as they were in the 90s when they drove Russians out of all fraternal republics and even autonomies inside the RSFSR, he himself experienced. So, do not sing songs about Russian fascism.
        2. APES
          APES 21 October 2013 09: 04
          14
          In the 1945 year, there were also many Germans who did not kill, did not force, they did not drive people into wagons in gas chambers, but Germany (Germans in particular) still go to the world to blame, I do not even speak about 45 year.
          For what? And for the fact that they greeted in due time or simply were silent, why are all these diasporas and all kinds of unions of migrants silent about how to behave when visiting? Why do not they themselves expel all abomination from their midst, but on the contrary cover and condone?
        3. vlad0
          vlad0 21 October 2013 09: 12
          +9
          You, of course, are right here, with the exception of a small "but": to you, already citizens of the Russian Federation (I'm not talking specifically about you), there are crowds of relatives, friends and neighbors, whom you temporarily welcome at your place, and then at night they raise crime rates in our cities.
  9. ReifA
    ReifA 21 October 2013 08: 28
    13
    Daler - and you, having come to visit me, will you try to rape my wife, humiliate me, try to establish Sharia in my apartment, will you bring the brothers? It is against such behavior that the Russians are opposed, against the sources of such behavior. But it’s so clear to you :-)
    1. Daler
      Daler 21 October 2013 08: 36
      -16 qualifying.
      C'mon, you exaggerated. Criminals must be fought, nationality has nothing to do with it. In the Russian Federation, the matter is massive. Pure fascism. Another would be to shoot the size of the head ... well, you understand
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 October 2013 08: 44
        17
        Quote: Daler
        In the Russian Federation, the matter is massive. Pure fascism.

        Yes, they are Russian, real fascists. Here is only one problem, if we were fascists in the Caucasus it would be empty. Those who remained in the mountains would tremble with fear.
        1. Daler
          Daler 21 October 2013 08: 49
          -13 qualifying.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Daler
          In the Russian Federation, the matter is massive. Pure fascism.

          Yes, they are Russian, real fascists. Here is only one problem, if we were fascists in the Caucasus it would be empty. Those who remained in the mountains would tremble with fear.


          And this is coming ... this day will come if everything goes at such a pace. We'll have to separate the Caucasus and introduce a visa regime with them, too.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 October 2013 11: 38
            10
            Quote: Daler
            Will have to separate the Caucasus

            Do not you brother did not understand, the Caucasus will be part of Russia! But whether the Caucasians themselves will be part of Russia depends on the behavior of the Caucasians.
            1. Daler
              Daler 21 October 2013 11: 47
              -8
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Daler
              Will have to separate the Caucasus

              Do not you brother did not understand, the Caucasus will be part of Russia! But whether the Caucasians themselves will be part of Russia depends on the behavior of the Caucasians.


              I hope Caucasians do not read your post ...
              1. alone
                alone 21 October 2013 20: 41
                +1
                I’ve already read it. And to be honest, I thought. The North Caucasus is part of Russia. And here’s how they can occupy their own territory, if they honestly didn’t understand. Well, if some young man said that, I would think, well, yes, now such an education (by the way almost everywhere, not only in Russia). and it said like an adult, and even a moderator. what
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 23 October 2013 02: 51
                0
                Quote: Daler
                I hope Caucasians do not read your post ...

                Read and what? You give an example of the Circassians?
      2. Tatarus
        Tatarus 21 October 2013 08: 53
        13
        Quote: Daler
        Pure Fascism


        You have not seen fascism. This is a normal body reaction to an invasion of foreign bodies. So the bodies either assimilate or go to the house. And if you lived for 20 years, then you lived politely. So live, but there is no need to protect the mrazzota.
        1. Daler
          Daler 21 October 2013 08: 59
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: Tatarus
          Quote: Daler
          Pure Fascism


          You have not seen fascism. This is a normal body reaction to an invasion of foreign bodies. So the bodies either assimilate or go to the house. And if you lived for 20 years, then you lived politely. So live, but there is no need to protect the mrazzota.


          Dear, I’m talking about actions that Russians perform when they see a person of Caucasian nationality. I am against all criminals, even if they are punished, but why then massively? There is also the face of the Caucasian nat. who is a citizen of the Russian Federation, and who respects the laws of the country.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 October 2013 11: 39
            +2
            Quote: Daler
            ? There is also the face of the Caucasian nat. who is a citizen of the Russian Federation, and who respects the laws of the country.

            There are but few
          2. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 21 October 2013 12: 27
            +4
            Daler


            You, dear in your own Europe, deal with your problems, and we do not need to be taught how to live, we will understand your problems without you.
            PS If you are a citizen of Hungary (judging by the flag), then it is strange to hear from you about fascism in Russia. I remember Hungary was the most reliable and loyal ally of Germany in the 2nd World War.
            hi
            1. Starfish
              Starfish 21 October 2013 12: 34
              +7
              "If you are a citizen of Hungary (judging by the flag), then it is strange to hear from you about fascism in Russia. I remember Hungary was the most reliable and loyal ally of Germany in the 2nd World War."

              he’s actually a Tajik, and the flag of Tajikistan there laughing
              1. Gomunkul
                Gomunkul 21 October 2013 13: 59
                +1
                he’s actually a Tajik, and the flag of Tajikistan there
                I did not see the yellow insert on a white background. The flag is shallow. hi
            2. alone
              alone 21 October 2013 20: 43
              0
              Quote: Gomunkul
              You, dear in your own Europe, deal with your problems, and we do not need to be taught how to live, we will understand your problems without you.
              PS If you are a citizen of Hungary (judging by the flag), then it is strange to hear from you about fascism in Russia. I remember Hungary was the most reliable and loyal ally of Germany in the 2nd World War.


              if Tajikistan has already become Hungary, then I no longer have words. although I would have bothered to put the arrow on my computer on the flag.
          3. Hort
            Hort 22 October 2013 11: 47
            0
            and what actions do the Russians commit when they see a person of Caucasian nationality? For example, I, as well as people from my company, absolutely calmly and indifferently go on about their business. In 99% of cases.
            But the company of Caucasians, especially young people aged 20-25, can often begin to show aggression and all kinds of disrespect for the Russians that they meet.
            So what kind of fascism are we talking about? Dear, if the Russians suddenly suddenly all become fascists - the third Reich will appear as a children's matinee
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 23 October 2013 02: 59
            0
            Quote: Daler
            I am against all criminals, even if they are punished, but why then massively?

            Do you understand what you said? How many criminals are punished so much.
            Quote: Daler
            Dear, I’m talking about actions that Russians perform when they see a person of Caucasian nationality.

            For example they say - "Show your documents!"
            and more - "Your rights and those passport for the car"
            Or something like "Good afternoon, Vagit Yusufovich."
            Millions of "people of Caucasian nationality" live in Russia without problems, and Tajiks too.
      3. shpuntik
        shpuntik 21 October 2013 09: 32
        +2
        Ensign
        Daler (1) TJ Today, 08:36 ↑
        C'mon, you exaggerated. Criminals must be fought, nationality has nothing to do with it.

        Nationality may have nothing to do with it, but religion is very much to do with, especially notorious Wakhabism. Watch the video with Jemal, he casually says that ordinary people in teahouses have quiet conversations and ask each other: "How many of us are there?" Here the dog is buried.
        Moreover, many Tatar muftis complain that there is a radical Islam from Saudi Arabia.
        1. Daler
          Daler 21 October 2013 09: 44
          +1
          I’ll definitely look. Here we are also struggling with Wahhabism. And there is a ban on studying in Muslim countries, and those who have been trained for them closely monitor and observe.
      4. Ascetic
        Ascetic 21 October 2013 10: 21
        15
        Quote: Daler
        Criminals must be fought, nationality has nothing to do with it. In the Russian Federation, the matter is massive. Pure fascism. Another would be to shoot the size of the head ... well, you understand

        For some reason, they began to forget the defeat of Yugoslavia by NATO members. But this was a development of the scenario of the collapse of Russia. Let's remember the history of Kosovo. ... In the 50s, Yugoslavia began to accept people who had fled from Albania from the regime of Enver Hoxha, and they were settled in Kosovo. As a result, the percentage of the Albanian population there increased from 4% in 1947 to 70% in 1991. The attempts of the Serbs to draw attention to this, which began back in the 60s, were declared "great-power Serbian chauvinism." Having gained a purely ethnic preponderance, the Albanians began at first a "peaceful" and then an open armed struggle for the secession of the region. When the Serbs tried to resist, they were accused of violating the right of nations to self-determination and applied international sanctions against them. In this way for less than half a century, the original Serbian territories were almost completely cleared of the Serbs in the most direct, physical sense. Does it resemble anything in light of the situation in West Biryulyovo ?.
        Who do we rank among the great-power chauvinists? For whom is Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation written (type in the search engine the sentence 282 of the Criminal Code and read it will be very interesting!) The Russians themselves, or rather Russian youth, are right.
        Now we will not recall the massacre of the Russian population in Chechnya, the millions of refugees from the independent fraternal republics, the massacres in Ferghana and Dushanbe, bullying in the Baltic states and other similar things, there are many examples of this.
        I have only question to those who seek to Russia from independent CIS countries to work and wants to live here. What do you want? Would you like independence from the Russian occupiers and enslavers, national identity and independence?
        You got it, you were even forgiven for all that Russian blood and humiliation in the course of gaining this independence (in any case, the Russian government is unequivocal). Why don't you build a happy mono-ethnic world at home without Russian oppressors? Or have they suddenly found out that without the "invaders" you can only build zindans and mosques, and palaces for local bays and padishahs? Where is independent education, science, culture, health care in the end (in Tajikistan, there are no women gynecologists left and therefore the entire aul gives birth in unsanitary conditions or goes back to Russia) Why do you strive for the homeland of your oppressors for work, housing and even Russian pensions? We do not have a bright and independent paradise that you have, here are all terrible fascists and skinheads organizing pogroms in the markets and in hostels, here you are humiliated by hard labor for a penny, and the Russians themselves are fattening at the expense of your labor and do not want to sweep the streets behind them. There is nothing to eat at home? It was the Russians who ate all the fat and cut all the sheep, and in general, during the years of occupation, instead of building factories and plants for you, they exploited your natural resources and forced the local population to work for themselves. And now they are forced to sweep the streets behind them in Moscow, build our houses along the way, speculating in everything from vegetables to drugs for food. Not only that, now you are demanding from your oppressors in their own homeland that you need to share work, girls, living space, finally, with completely strangers and people who are alien to them? And when a Russian person naturally resists this, accusations of fascism immediately follow.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 21 October 2013 10: 22
          19
          Please understand me correctly. I do not wish evil to anyone. Let everyone live on their own land and pray to their gods. But let us not live together from the problem of appeals.
          Sooner or later EVERYONE will demand from us. Like in Kosovo. This is not a fantasy, but unfortunately the objective reality is gradually developing from economic and political realities.
          We will inevitably require EVERYTHING simply because we have taught others: the Russians are inferior infinitely. They will also leave now ... In order not to be considered extremists. It's so scary - Russian fascism ...
          1. Daler
            Daler 21 October 2013 10: 41
            -8
            Ascetic,

            Well, once gone into history, then let's go a little further. And why did the Reds conquer us in due time? Everything was wonderful with us Tajiks. After they joined the USSR, they ruined the nation, there were no Tajiks in state institutions, everyone was completely Russian, they gave half of the country to the Uzbeks, and after the collapse of the USSR, we did not return, it’s just that there was no choice, they let everyone go. And when for 10 years none of the Tajiks was the leader in the country (during the USSR), then how can they recreate everything? When everyone worked in the meadow and were farmers (dehkans).
            And I repeat once again in 90 Tajiks suffered the most, and not Russians. Then everyone who could leave, not just the Russians. Most Tajiks died.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 October 2013 10: 55
              +6
              Quote: Daler
              After they joined the USSR, they ruined the nation, there were no Tajiks in state institutions, all were polls Russian

              The last Russian who led the Tajik SSR was Protopopov. From 1932 to 1946.
              1. Daler
                Daler 21 October 2013 11: 29
                -2
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: Daler
                After they joined the USSR, they ruined the nation, there were no Tajiks in state institutions, all were polls Russian

                The last Russian who led the Tajik SSR was Protopopov. From 1932 to 1946.


                Well, yes, I grew up here and I don’t know .. Everywhere there were Russians, in banks, in ministries, in the government. It was very rare when a Tajik was a leader, and then if he was an atheist and with pro-Russian thinking. All that is happening now is the consequences of that time, and we are still extreme.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 21 October 2013 11: 37
                  0
                  Already "very rarely" ... And if you think about it?
                  1. Daler
                    Daler 21 October 2013 11: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Already "very rarely" ... And if you think about it?


                    If there is anything to add then add. Fact is fact. Everywhere there were Russians, and the local population was not systematically admitted to leadership positions.
                    1. RBLip
                      RBLip 21 October 2013 13: 47
                      +3
                      Quote: Daler
                      Everywhere there were Russians, and the local population was not systematically admitted to leadership positions.

                      so 20 years as allowed! where is your Tajik paradise on earth?
                      1. Glory333
                        Glory333 21 October 2013 23: 10
                        +1
                        Another 20 years without Russians will live and will certainly become Central Asian Switzerland as promised in 1991.
                2. Oberst_71
                  Oberst_71 21 October 2013 13: 37
                  +6
                  Nusratullo Maxum (October 16, 1929 - December 27, 1933);
                  Shirinsho Shotemor (December 28, 1933 - July 9, 1937);
                  Munavar Shagadaev (October 1937 - July 13, 1938).
                  From 1938 to 1990, the head of the republic served as chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the Tajik SSR. This position was occupied by:
                  Munavar Shagadaev (July 15, 1938 - July 29, 1950);
                  Nazarsho Dodkhudoev (July 29, 1950 - May 25, 1956);
                  Mirzo Rakhmatovich Rakhmatov (May 25, 1956 - March 28, 1963);
                  Mahmadullo Holovich Holov (March 29, 1963 - February 17, 1984);
                  Gaibnazar Pallaevich Pallaev (February 17, 1984 - April 12, 1990).
                  Along with the post of chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council since 1938, there was also the post of chairman of the Supreme Council of the Tajik SSR. Relatively insignificant in previous years, it turned out to be significant in 1990, when the chairman of the Supreme Council actually performed the functions of the chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council, that is, the head of the republic. That was until the emergence of the post of president of the Tajik SSR. The chairman of the Supreme Council during this period was:
                  Kakhar Makhkamovich Makhkamov (April 12, 1990 - November 30, 1990).
                  In autumn 1990, the post of president of the Tajik SSR was established, to which he was elected:
                  Kakhar Makhkamovich Makhkamov (November 30, 1990 - August 31, 1991).
                  Party power
                  1. Daler
                    Daler 21 October 2013 14: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Oberst_71
                    >>>>>>>>


                    Despite the formal autonomy of state authorities from the party, the real fullness of power in the Soviet republics as part of the USSR belonged not so much to the head of the republic as to the head of the party - the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Tajikistan, formed in 1930. This post was occupied by:
                    Mirza Dawood Bagir oglu Huseynov (February 1930 - 1933),
                    Grigory Isaakovich Broydo (November 3, 1933 - November 1934),
                    Suren Konstantinovich Shadunts (January 8, 1935 - December 1936),
                    Urumbay Ashurovich Ashurov (September 1937 - March 1938),
                    Dmitry Zakharovich Protopopov (from October 1937 to June 1938 - acting; June 1938 - August 1946),
                    Gafurov, Bobodzhan Gafurovich (August 16, 1946 - May 24, 1956),
                    Tursunbai Uldzhabaevich Uldzhabaev (May 24, 1956 - April 12, 1961),
                    Dzhabar Rasulovich Rasulov (April 12, 1961 - April 4, 1982),
                    Rakhmon Nabievich Nabiev (April 20, 1982 - December 14, 1985),
                    Kakhar Makhkamovich Makhkamov (December 14, 1985 - September 4, 1991).

                    Have you forgotten to put on the sequel?


                    Nusratullo Maxum (October 16, 1929 - December 27, 1933);
                    The moderate position of the Tajik leadership in relation to the prosperous peasantry during the period of collectivization was declared erroneous at a meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on December 5, 1933. Following this resolution, the fourth emergency session of the Central Executive Committee of the Tajik SSR dismissed (December 27, 1933) Maxim and Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Tajik SSR Abdurrahim Khodzhibaev for “anti-party and in many cases anti-Soviet” policies.



                    Shirinsho Shotemor (December 28, 1933 - July 9, 1937);
                    In 1937, he was arrested in Moscow on trumped-up charges of participating in an anti-Soviet nationalist organization. October 21, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR sentenced to death, October 27, 1937 shot.
                    and so on

                    Puppets were and then are and will be. All who really cared about the Tajiks died, framed, and so on.
                    I grew up here and I know what reality was like.
            2. T-73
              T-73 21 October 2013 12: 08
              +8
              So after all the red ones left you, something I see is not wonderful with you now? Return yours if you think it yours, or should the Russians again?
              1. Oberst_71
                Oberst_71 21 October 2013 14: 22
                +4
                let's say - back to the Middle Ages!
            3. RBLip
              RBLip 21 October 2013 13: 46
              +5
              Quote: Daler
              And why did the Reds conquer us in due time? Everything was wonderful with us Tajiks.

              how! "Russian barbarians broke into villages, auls and camps, leaving behind only libraries, theaters and cities"
              1. Oberst_71
                Oberst_71 21 October 2013 14: 23
                -1
                completely unaware of how it was before the revolution! blame too. what for! it became a pity.
          2. Goodmen
            Goodmen 21 October 2013 11: 32
            +7
            Quote: Ascetic
            Sooner or later EVERYONE will demand from us. Like in Kosovo. This is not a fantasy, but unfortunately the objective reality is gradually developing from economic and political realities.
            Everything will inevitably be demanded from us simply because we have accustomed those around us: the Russians are infinitely inferior. They will also leave now ... In order not to be considered extremists. It's so scary - Russian fascism ...


            I fully support. Only narrow-minded people can not understand this, shouting about tolerance. I am ready to be tolerant to 10, but not to millions !!!
        2. RBLip
          RBLip 21 October 2013 13: 43
          +6
          Quote: Ascetic
          I just have a question for those who seek to work in Russia from independent CIS countries and want to live here. What do you want? Would you like independence from the Russian occupiers and enslavers, national identity and independence?
          You got it, you were even forgiven for all that Russian blood and humiliation in the course of gaining this independence (in any case, the Russian government is unequivocal). Why don't you build a happy mono-ethnic world at home without Russian oppressors? Or have they suddenly found out that without the "invaders" you can only build zindans and mosques, and palaces for local bays and padishahs? Where is independent education, science, culture, health care in the end (in Tajikistan, there are no women gynecologists left and therefore the entire aul gives birth in unsanitary conditions or goes back to Russia) Why do you strive for the homeland of your oppressors for work, housing and even Russian pensions? We do not have a bright and independent paradise that you have, here are all terrible fascists and skinheads organizing pogroms in the markets and in hostels, here you are humiliated by hard labor for a penny, and the Russians themselves are fattening at the expense of your labor and do not want to sweep the streets behind them. There is nothing to eat at home? It was the Russians who ate all the fat and cut all the sheep, and in general, during the years of occupation, instead of building factories and plants for you, they exploited your natural resources and forced the local population to work for themselves. And now they are forced to sweep the streets behind them in Moscow, build our houses along the way, speculating in everything from vegetables to drugs for food. Not only that, now you are demanding from your oppressors in their own homeland that you need to share work, girls, living space, finally, with completely strangers and people who are alien to them? And when a Russian person naturally resists this, accusations of fascism immediately follow.

          absolutely right. all these questions arise every day and for me. wanted to live on their own, without feeding the Russian "occupants" - live. but it turns out that without these very "occupants" not today tomorrow they will climb back up the tree. and the problems here are identical everywhere. Yesterday I turned on the evening news on the first zomboyaschik and saw our Russian near future. The plot was from Paris. there is some kind of monkey with a muzzle across itself wider DEMANDING from the French authorities work, pensions, free medicine. this monkey was Algerian. to the question "why did he stick to France" was followed by a very logical answer - "for a better lot." the same thing awaits us.
          1. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 21 October 2013 14: 33
            +9
            I will never forgive it either! how many planes with Russian refugees met! Carried out on board. And who remembers 91! Those who fled from the army were Azeris, Armenians, Tajiks, Uzbeks! With the words "We had you, we have our own army!" I was a lieutenant then, to be honest, then I crossed myself, that I will not see them again! Your country, your own army, your Turkmen bashi! Now they are back! It turns out to be difficult, then without the Russians. We must remember 1989-1990-1991-1992. Remember and never forgive, otherwise it will happen again, only in our country!
            I have the honor !!
      5. Goodmen
        Goodmen 21 October 2013 11: 23
        +2
        Quote: Daler
        Pure Fascism

        Well, if it’s so bad here, then why is everyone climbing here?
        1. Daler
          Daler 21 October 2013 11: 53
          +4
          Quote: Goodmen
          Quote: Daler
          Pure Fascism

          Well, if it’s so bad here, then why is everyone climbing here?


          Yes, because the president is our dol ** eb, that's why. He clogs his pockets, thinks he will live forever.
          1. saber
            saber 21 October 2013 15: 45
            +2
            so while you are here, he does what he wants there, let your men return home and sort out their power, eh?
      6. open
        open 21 October 2013 11: 26
        -11 qualifying.
        Criminals must be fought, nationality has nothing to do with it. In the Russian Federation, the matter is massive. Pure Fascism



        Not Fascism. Islamophobia
      7. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 21 October 2013 13: 31
        +5
        not fascism, but healthy patriotism. You do not call Israel fascists, but there it is still
        1. Daler
          Daler 21 October 2013 14: 27
          -4
          Quote: Oberst_71
          not fascism, but healthy patriotism. You do not call Israel fascists, but there it is still


          hard... your anti-Tajik statements are off the charts here. I understand if the Russians say this, but what nationality are you? hiding under the flag of Su ..)
          1. Oberst_71
            Oberst_71 21 October 2013 14: 40
            +4
            I will never forgive it either! how many planes with Russian refugees met! Carried out on board. And who remembers 91! Those who fled from the army were Azeris, Armenians, Tajiks, Uzbeks! With the words "We had you, we have our own army!" I was a lieutenant then, to be honest, then I crossed myself, that I will not see them again! Your country, your own army, your Turkmen bashi! Now they are back! It turns out to be difficult, then without the Russians. We must remember 1989-1990-1991-1992. Remember and never forgive, otherwise it will happen again, only in our country!
            I have the honor !!
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 21 October 2013 08: 29
    +6
    So many power and control structures have been created in Russia that one more, one less does not play a role ... you need to work. Even under the current law, 99% of migrant migrant workers can be sent and another 90% can be deprived of their citizenship and sent after them.
  11. Ddhal
    Ddhal 21 October 2013 08: 38
    +5
    Tasks:
    1) stop the flow of migrants
    2) reduce the number of existing to a minimum
    Actions:
    1) Introduce a visa regime, or by other means to restrict entry is a direct task of the FMS.
    2) Involve the population in the identification of asocially acting visitors. Just report suspicious individuals to a specific number. I understand that it gives bad, but the life of loved ones is more expensive.
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 21 October 2013 13: 00
      0
      DDHAL: "I accept, it doesn't sound good" ...
      I understood you correctly - is it bad to knock? My attitude to this is just as negative (we have Russian-Soviet-Slavs as it was in the blood), but I will give an example from Germany (I have classmates there - Russified Germans live, they told me). In Germany and Switzerland, “knocking” on the police is normal. Someone does something wrong on the street or somewhere - immediately there is a knock on the police, which instantly (unlike ours) is in place and regardless of social status, citizenship, etc., takes action. So sometimes this knock-interaction could be considered acceptable, BUT !!! If only it was beneficial.
  12. Sewer
    Sewer 21 October 2013 08: 38
    +3
    Not some commissars! What is it all about? There, we’re not all migrants, we don’t need one! We need to bring our people back to life, give jobs! Why do we need migrant commissars? We don’t need them, they need corrupt bureaucrats to make it who to blame, and then continue to populate Russia with foreign elements! This all speaks only of one thing: we imported them, we import, and we will import them!
  13. aud13
    aud13 21 October 2013 08: 46
    +9
    Quote: Daler
    According to scientists, migrant labor provides 7-8% of Russia's GDP. As a REGNUM correspondent reports, Vladimir Volokh, a professor at the Institute of Public Administration and Law of the State University of Management, chairman of the Public Council under the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation, said at a press conference on the topic: "Migration problems of modern Russia".

    Amazing ....
    With the unemployment rate in individual regions as high as 30 percent of the working population, we boast about how our migrants work well.
    Accordingly, the question is - if it is impossible for us to fully load our citizens with work, then why are we exacerbating the situation and importing from abroad?
    The second question - and someone calculated how much effort would have to be spent on providing the migrant with hospitals, schools, kindergartens, how much energy was diverted to solve the crimes that they committed. I’m not talking about the fact that to a large extent the damage from these crimes is not compensable at all - it’s the lost lives of mutilated bodies and souls.
    In general, it seems that the FMS is the most interested agency in attracting migrants, but it seems to be guided only by its own interests. Moreover, these interests do not even seem to be departmental, but purely personal interests of the heads and employees of the FMS who seem to have found ways to profit from the desire of migrants to settle in Russia.
    1. Daler
      Daler 21 October 2013 08: 55
      +3
      My familiar Tajik works in the Russian Federation. Buys non-ferrous metals. Roofs the point of your who? Cops. Each point brings income, his boss, 30 thousand bucks a month. This is what I am for. Not only the FMS, there the whole elite is fed at the expense of migrants and plus, as you can see, income is also going to the treasury. So why then get rid of migrants then?

      And about schools, kindergartens, and hospitals - migrants pay everything themselves. They will not be treated at all in hospitals without insurance or money, there are cases when a person dies and was left to die like this before they bring money. Maybe the doctors themselves, they falsified so many% of migrants, but this is a lie. In reality, no one will help them for free.
      1. Sewer
        Sewer 21 October 2013 09: 06
        +5
        In reality, money is allocated from the budget for this, and do not even hesitate to talk about it on TV! And at this time the Russians really have those in need, but they are not needed! Better migrants, they are ready for anything for the sake of work! But the time will come, and they will demand more for themselves, but in the end they will want to become masters, they already want and gradually begin to seize Russia! But the authorities do not care!
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 21 October 2013 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: Daler
        My familiar Tajik works in the Russian Federation. Buys non-ferrous metals.

        As I understand it, the huckster is at the nonferrous metal receiving point. That's work, that's work, there is nothing to say. A significant contribution to the "recovery" of the economy. This is not to hunchback at a construction site. Plus, you can look at drunken Russian scourges and drug addicts carrying a cut cable as shit. Well settled down.
    2. Sewer
      Sewer 21 October 2013 09: 03
      +3
      Exactly, everything’s everything for us, everything’s new to us! It’s insanity!
  14. Tatarus
    Tatarus 21 October 2013 09: 07
    10
    "I don't presume to prophesy ..."

    But in our government, the idea of ​​appointing Serdyukov or the like as commissar may well mature. For the dough under the new structure will stand out unmeasured. I’m supporting Putin, and I have a question for him. How much more should I endure fat-faced and lap-picking ??? OFFICIALS. The whole problem with immigrants is the matter of their processes. Vladimir Vladimirovich, I respect you very much. And absolutely respect ... You already Z..A..E..B..A..L... And .. It's time to restore order. In areas like Biryulyovo, create Voluntary People’s Friends from representatives of the titular nation (Russians in the area). AND EVERYTHING ... Order is guaranteed. And no one will dare to kill, they will be afraid of a symmetrical answer. What hand did the knife hold? Right Break in the elbow and two more places. Raped? COMPLETION. Shot down a man while intoxicated? He is obliged to feed his family for the rest of his life. And let his family go hungry, since the head of the family is such a dummy.
    1. Sewer
      Sewer 21 October 2013 09: 14
      +5
      They are not sitting for power in order, at the trough, not for order, otherwise it could have been put in place for a long time! 13 years have passed already, what else to expect and what fairy tales to believe in?
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 21 October 2013 09: 19
        +1
        Quote: Sewer
        what fairy tales still believe?


        IN SCARY TALES
    2. AlexW
      AlexW 21 October 2013 13: 53
      +3
      "To create people's guards ...." Who will allow it? You will break the whole "gesheft" to the policemen, and to the FMSniks, etc. If you try to self-govern the moment, "Nazis" and "extremists" will call them up and pick up the article ... Which is already happening ...
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 21 October 2013 21: 56
      0
      Quote: Tatarus
      I’m supporting Putin, and I have a question for him. How much more should I endure fat-faced and lap-picking ??? OFFICIALS.

      - I’ll be brief. You will tolerate as much as enough support.
      GDP
  15. old rocket man
    old rocket man 21 October 2013 09: 20
    +2
    It will turn out as always, that is, nothing will work.
    If I want toact, you can act now.
    First of all visitorsfrom "the near abroad, to be considered illegal and subject to a total check for the availability of work, if not formalized, a fine for the entrepreneur plus payment of the costs of keeping in a camp and deportation, as well as paying taxes for the entire period of stay in Russia and bringing to criminal liability for tax evasion, to be kept in camps separately, no "family" settlements.
    Secondly, to urgently adopt a law on vagrancy and, in the same way, to check for the availability of work for "our" migrants, this will immediately weed out the criminal element, to which, until they are caught in a crime, we cannot get close.
    Thirdly, to amend the law on weapons by declaring invalid weapons permits issued not at the place of residence and at temporary registration (i.e. if you are a Dagestan, in the Russian Federation WEAPONS DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS, leave home)
    It can be harsh, but without tough measures, the problem, but it is, cannot be solved.
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 October 2013 09: 21
    +4
    So what turns out to be the problem? No, it turns out how is it? Om-b-u-t-s-m-e-n-a. Here's how the ombudsman appears, everything will work out right away, interesting, and who comes up with something like that nonsense? In short, good luck to this spiderman, but the sense of him will be like a goat's milk.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 21 October 2013 09: 26
      18
      Yes, the director of the vegetable warehouse MENA already has ...
      1. AlexW
        AlexW 21 October 2013 13: 56
        0
        The "Honorary President" of one of these vegetable bases has already stated that "Putin is my friend." I'm not sure that Putin knows about him, but the "potato president" said very confidently fellow
      2. Concept1
        Concept1 21 October 2013 15: 05
        0
        Hard joke !!! Laughter through tearslaughing
  17. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 October 2013 09: 21
    +3
    Another bloating of bureaucratic states.
  18. Forest
    Forest 21 October 2013 09: 55
    +3
    1 / With the CIS countries, only the introduction of visa relations (by the way, the example of Syria with its open borders is a negative example of open borders).
    2 / Market relations with the Caucasian republics - in the event of an incident involving immigrants from these republics, subsidies to the budgets of these republics should be reduced by 5-10% in each case.
    And the introduction of the commissioners is of course an imitation, with a logical result.
  19. leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 October 2013 09: 57
    +5
    It is necessary to introduce visas or not to let migrants work.
    I can’t understand the couple after WWII, they built everything themselves. And now what's worse?
    Or is there simply a desire for businessmen to earn extra profits?
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  21. erased
    erased 21 October 2013 10: 04
    +2
    Question to the author - where does the data on migrant crimes come from? Are there any links to sources? I would also like to get acquainted.
    1. Volodin
      21 October 2013 13: 26
      +3
      Data from the prosecutor of the city of Moscow Sergei Kudeneev. If you need a link to the media, then there are many examples. Here is just one of them (here for 2012): link
      1. erased
        erased 21 October 2013 14: 53
        +1
        Thank you.
  22. aud13
    aud13 21 October 2013 10: 05
    +5
    It’s time for the country's leadership to wake up and soberly assess the situation ...
    The greatest danger now is the creeping "Islamization" of Russia.
    Lively and fresh examples before our eyes - KOSOVO, Libya (democratization with sauce - but the directors are the same).
    Once it was the territory on which the Christians lived, then after the Turkish invasion the Albanians came and since then there have been a showdown. Currently, under pressure and with the help of NATO countries, Kosovo has finally been torn from Serbia.
    Something similar situation is developing with us.
    External forces understand that fighting openly with Russia can be expensive for them, so they use the creeping intervention method. To the fifth column, which we actually have (I mean extremists from the Caucasus), a significant number of migrants from Central Asia are added.
    Now look what happens - a funny picture called "Well at least Andryushka did".
    Intensive introduction of their people in all law enforcement and government agencies. These people will personify power in 5-10 years. They can easily substitute those who will not be with them physically, intimidate. The rest will be turned into slaves.
    Together with the corruption, corruption and cowardice of the current government, this death is similar.
    There is still time to prevent this scenario. But can current gestures like appointing a new ombudsman correct the situation seriously? Not sure
    The most interesting thing is that the authorities do not understand that when the time comes X - they will begin to cut it first
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 October 2013 10: 09
      0
      Picture - button accordion.
    2. alone
      alone 21 October 2013 20: 48
      0
      This is a list of faculty students for foreigners. smile
  23. Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 October 2013 10: 26
    -3
    In general, to solve all issues that have become pressing in the country, it is necessary to clone and propagate Shoigu S.K.
    Shoigu - Prime Minister
    Shoigu - Minister of Defense
    Shoigu Minister of the Interior
    Shoigu - "Ombudsman" what on migration, etc.
    or even simpler Shoigu is the president! hi
    Although Putin is still out of competition in foreign policy, that means he needs a good tandem of Putin-Shoigu.
  24. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 October 2013 10: 30
    +4
    from the Don.
    What commissars!? STALIN come on!
  25. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 21 October 2013 10: 39
    +7
    Migration commissioners will help Russia

    Hooray - finally the whole problem happened
    With visitors from all sorts of southern countries,
    And give each of these commissars
    Mandate and leather jacket and gun fellow wassat
  26. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 21 October 2013 10: 45
    +3
    Another talk from the TV will be. And nothing has changed.
  27. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 21 October 2013 10: 50
    +3
    It’s necessary and I propose to introduce a fee for catching and reporting on the places of illegal gatherings, for the population of Russia for each illegal
    After illegally staying in the territory of RF, after a maximum of half a year, all illegal immigrants will be caught and ringed. The fee for one illegal immigrant is about 1000 rubles, but everything should be fair, if the authorities do not want the people to do. Of course, predators like the police will hide for a big fee but
    against the mass character of "hunters" you can not trample.
  28. TROG
    TROG 21 October 2013 10: 50
    +4
    What they just can’t come up with is not to expel them ...
  29. Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 October 2013 11: 06
    +1
    Donkeys come in many forms,
    Who is curly-haired, who is brighter
    There is no equality between them
    In the donkey light of our days!

    Some donkeys are repeating with all their might:
    - Our kind of ancient other donkeys!
    And they prophesy proof
    Referring to goat friends!

    We have longer jaws
    And the tail is more flexible, the largest mosly,
    Here are the results of the evolutions,
    Their archaeologists have found!

    Others zealously claim:
    “You are weaklings before us!”
    We have longer ears
    You are not donkeys, but fools!

    with a beard scientist
    Shaking their scholarship
    And cherishing donkey friendship,
    Donkeys have been considered since ancient times!

    So in different countries, gradually,
    The donkey breed has evolved,
    And on the fragments of Darwinism
    Between them, the drama has begun!
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 21 October 2013 12: 08
      +3
      The depth of the problem is not who has ears or tail longer)))
      There is a serious problem, like the replacement of the indigenous population with migrants. Everything is done under various specious pretexts.
      The goals are quite obvious - to create a controlled majority on the territory of the Russian Federation to oppose the state-forming people (it somehow happened to be the Russian people). Islam will be used to control the majority. Given the fact that Islam is practiced by the peoples of the Russian Federation, they play the game to the fullest - muddy the waters in the Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria and other regions of compact Muslim residence.
      As a result, little will not seem to anyone. And instead of peaceful coexistence in one country, we’ll get its collapse and local conflicts throughout the territory based on ethnic and religious divisions.
      Not a joyful prospect looming.
      I'm not talking about the economic harm that migrants are doing at the current time ...
  30. pravednik
    pravednik 21 October 2013 11: 19
    0
    I don’t get the point that the authors of the idea of ​​creating an ombudsman’s ministry (the Duma thinks they don’t respect the Russian language) and that these commissars will have the authority up to the expulsion of illegal migrants to their homeland. ? Why even keep border guards and FMS? And in general, why else create one structure? How is he, the commissar, if the visa regime is not introduced, will he distinguish what kind of migrant he is? who will stick more in a paw?
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 21 October 2013 12: 17
      +2
      Yes, everything is clear.
      The fact is that:
      1. Simulation of violent activity for the electorate.
      2. It is not necessary to put in order the existing structures and make them work (that is, to clean the Augean stables), it is easier to organize a new one - suddenly it will work out. ))))
      3. Under a new project - a new budget - a new cut. )))
  31. Uncle
    Uncle 21 October 2013 11: 25
    0
    The article contains statistics on the type of crimes committed by migrants, 69% - rape. Is it time for Russian women to dress more modestly. I will not describe how girls dress in cities; you yourself know whether it is worth wondering that visitors from villages have eyes poking on their foreheads. Why be surprised that they are being raped?
  32. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 21 October 2013 11: 28
    +4
    The most interesting thing is that if such a commissar appears, then as always he will be either a dag or an Uzbek! Our rulers love us very much!
    1. AlexW
      AlexW 21 October 2013 16: 43
      0
      Russian bribe taker is even worse.
  33. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 October 2013 11: 30
    0
    Importing migrants is very profitable economically, therefore, the solution to the problem lies in the economic plane. But this is not what worries everyone, all the same, among the Russians there are no applicants for hard, low-paying jobs.
    Everyone is concerned about the criminal aspect. There is no prevention, control and inevitable punishment for migrants. Or, let's say Dagestanis, they are not migrants, but the most expensive Russians, no one works with them either. One of the ways out is to do, finally, as in the "civilized" world. Migrants live in special guarded filtration camps with all the infrastructure, to work only from there with escort, back to the same place. Each visitor concludes a contract with the state, upon completion of the payment of a certain amount and to the station, the next check-in no earlier than half a year later. Place the caught illegal immigrants in the same camps and take them out together, and at the expense of legal fellow countrymen. But these are all dreams, the more turbid the water, the fatter the business. Obviously, no one wants to order, but on the contrary, for example, to introduce discussions, it will be with pleasure
  34. andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 October 2013 11: 52
    +3
    such an Ombudsman for Nationalities and Migration.

    Well, an official will appear who should carry the denyuzhku. otherwise poor migrants don’t know how to turn around - give it to that, give it to it. and now it will be simplified, bring it to one, and he will explain to others that everything is good and right negative
  35. Federal
    Federal 21 October 2013 12: 02
    +2
    the situation in Russia is extremely neglected and there is simply no way out at least on the way, on the one hand, he will understandably flirting with the blockheads of the local spill and adolescents, and on the other hand, the indigenous population just starts to hate him, the time limit is not big ... Definitely a pogrom in Biryulyovo is a plus and it’s good (with the exception of killing a guy), but I took note of the path, it will be more careful on the bends, tightening the laws is good, rolling over the Churban Mafia is good, deportation is well designed. Putin needs to realize that nobody wants his insane dreams of the 1991 scoop. This is senile nonsense, an alliance of 3 maximum 4 with Kazakhs should be created, the rest are dependents and beggars, this is a burden and an anchor, give them to anyone, well, or throw them bones so that they do not die and keep them with a buffer from the Chinese and dushmans. Nobody needs this for nothing, Putin should have forgotten his nonsense about the Scoop and really built something modern
  36. Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 October 2013 12: 12
    +3
    As the leader of the Russian nationalist association Dmitry Demushkin said on Twitter, it is expected that "the largest rally of nationalists" will gather up to 30 thousand people in Moscow. The march is supposed to be held along Pererva Street until the intersection with Lyublinskaya Street at the monument to the Soldiers of the Fatherland.
    MOSCOW, October 21 - RIA Novosti. The Moscow authorities have received an application to hold the "Russian March" on November 4 in Lyublino, it will be considered within three days, the head of the department for ensuring public events of the Moscow regional security department Viktor Yermolaev told RIA Novosti on Monday.


    "Our true nationality is human." What philosophers, writers and politicians said about nationalism
    "We have received a notification about a procession and a rally on November 4. The application will be considered within three days," Ermolaev said.

    He specified that the procession is supposed to be held along Pererva Street to the intersection with Lublin Street at the monument to the Soldiers of the Fatherland.

    According to Ermolaev, the stated purpose of the event is the celebration of National Unity Day.

    As the leader of the Russian nationalist association Dmitry Demushkin said on his Twitter account, the action will take place simultaneously in one hundred Russian cities. According to him, it is planned that in Moscow it will gather up to 30 thousand people.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/moscow/20131021/971451300.html#ixzz2iLGho0Mf


    Well, the authorities have finished playing tolerance!
  37. T-73
    T-73 21 October 2013 12: 29
    0
    Quote: Daler
    local population.

    How do you position yourself as natives?
    1. Daler
      Daler 21 October 2013 12: 42
      0
      Quote: T-73
      Quote: Daler
      local population.

      How do you position yourself as natives?


      I did not understand you. What do you have in mind?
  38. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 21 October 2013 12: 39
    +1
    What would you do to do nothing!
    So such structures as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the FMS, can no longer solve this problem? Or, already for criminal inaction and indulgence, it is impossible to bring Persons who SHOULD RESPONSE for the performance of their duties. Signed in their helplessness or is this another imitation
    Indeed, the adoption of really effective measures such as, for example, the introduction of a visa regime, tight control over migrants, fixing fingerprints of Gaster, etc. again washed up!
  39. Reyngard
    Reyngard 21 October 2013 12: 50
    +5
    I do not often comment, mostly read. I see that the majority is inclined, the corruption of power is to blame for everything. In principle, I agree. But here are the methods of struggle, excuse me, yellow-handed. If you do not take an armed uprising as a model, then the best way was invented without us in Singapore: the presumption of guilt for officials ...
  40. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 21 October 2013 12: 56
    +1
    If services like FMS do not work, this is an occasion to restore order in them, and not to invent the next o *** udson.
  41. RUSS
    RUSS 21 October 2013 13: 02
    +4
    There is a good offer the migrant came to earn money - buy a bill for 30000 rubles., I screwed you up for the same 30000 rubles. send home.
    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 21 October 2013 15: 32
      +1
      They don’t have, and it would be so good.
      Otherwise:
      For legal - the employer pays an additional tax in the amount of a real consumer basket.
      For illegal - business confiscation.
  42. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 21 October 2013 13: 53
    +6
    While Dushanbe was a Russian city - it was comfortable. And then - that’s it. By the end of the 70s, police, trade, and power had actually passed into the hands of Tajiks. The scheme when the specialists were Russian (or conditionally Russian - Ashkenazi Jews, Koreans, Tatars and others), and the head of the enterprise - Tajik was widespread. The exceptions were strategic facilities - such as the Nurek hydroelectric station, the airport, the railway, etc. Crowds of young Tajiks arrived from the villages in waves, who were looking for places not at enterprises, but in warm places.
    This meant that it became very difficult for Russians to live at the everyday level. Tajiks put their relatives in specially created positions, the burden on enterprises became very heavy. We distributed scarce goods and apartments among themselves. In the courts, the Russian could not achieve the truth, the police arrested and beat the tipsy Russians, but released or did not notice the crowd of animals who beat a Russian guy to death in the city center. The phrase "Ty Ruski, leaving for your own Russia!" - this was not first heard in the 90s, but in the 80s. Komsomol secretaries organized round-ups on Easter and arrested young people who attended the procession. At the same time, they themselves regularly attended mosques on Fridays.
    In the early 80s, Russian women no longer risked returning home in the dark, and by the end of the 80s - all Russians, regardless of gender, were afraid to be on the street after sunset.
    Comfort ended in the late 70s. This is when Moscow yielded to the law "On national cadres", which was being pushed by the nazelites. Since then, the administration has followed the national path, and everyone has seen what it has led to.
  43. aud13
    aud13 21 October 2013 13: 59
    +1
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Importing migrants is very profitable economically, therefore, the solution to the problem lies in the economic plane. But this is not what worries everyone, all the same, among the Russians there are no applicants for hard, low-paying jobs.

    Beneficial to one, but everyone else has problems.
    Another part of the problem is that they go to Russia to earn not only labor, but also crimes, extortion, begging, etc., not only healthy but also sick people who can carry diseases, old and young - who will never work, but see in us only a source of funds for our lives ....
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  45. tangage
    tangage 21 October 2013 14: 50
    +5
    The country's leadership organized an uncontrolled migration. After all, if Putin says that migrants cannot be dispensed with (which is rather debatable), then what should the FMS and other structures do? Just take it under the hood. No wonder Romodanovsky led the FMS structure. Thus, the country's leadership fulfills the dream of Western politicians to reduce the Russian-speaking population in Russia. And replaced by Russians from Asia and the Caucasus. The growth of the Russian population that the president is talking about is ONLY due to the issuance of Russian passports to migrants.
    Is the problem ripe after Northern Butovo? Yes, she has long overripe long before Kondopoga.
    In fact, lawmakers (read EdRosa) sabotaged legislation to streamline migration and take it under tight control. Thus lobbying the interests of large monopolies in all areas from construction to the food market.
  46. Evil rabbit
    Evil rabbit 21 October 2013 15: 23
    +2
    As long as business is profitable to use the labor of illegal immigrants, the problem cannot be solved. Penalties for using illegal immigrants should be such that they lead to the loss of business !! And at the same time there is a "presumption of guilt" for all kinds of inspection services.
    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 21 October 2013 15: 27
      +1
      Illegal labor - confiscation.

      For legal - pay tax in the amount of the cost of the consumer basket.

      Only citizens have access to free education, medicine, and so on.
  47. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 21 October 2013 15: 26
    +1
    Quote: Reyngard
    I do not often comment, mostly read. I see that the majority is inclined, the corruption of power is to blame for everything. In principle, I agree. But here are the methods of struggle, excuse me, yellow-handed. If you do not take an armed uprising as a model, then the best way was invented without us in Singapore: the presumption of guilt for officials ...

    This is a more practical proposal, and then the Ombudsman, the reasons are not eliminated by him. And what causes corruption can be seen with the naked eye. Take the same wipers, when recording in the statements 25-30 thousand get 12-15 (where?). Or Biryulevo, the head of the regional police department (flashed a message) an Azerbaijani. Knowing our reality and the situation in the area it is clear that it matters. With the current aggravation of the national question, on the contrary, each letter of the law must be strictly observed by all participants (I emphasize the Ministry of Internal Affairs and officials).
  48. APES
    APES 21 October 2013 15: 35
    0
    Turn on the brain, remove the microscope (TV) from our eyes, through which we are accustomed to look at the world, take a bird's eye view of the world, and what we will see:

    1. The swamp scenario failed

    In the framework of this and in the light of recent events it is clear that a "nationalist" card is being played.

    21.10.2013 Sobyanin did not rule out a recurrence of Biryulyovo events, before that 08.07.2013 Khinshtein: What is happening in Pugachev can happen in any city of the Russian Federation
    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2013/07/08/1150115.html. Plus, the hysteria raised in the press on the national issue is an information pump.

    What conclusion can be made? At the request of the inhabitants of Moscow, “VLAST” begins to peel the entire vegetable base in Moscow, for this reason all the bakeries, dairies and all food trade enterprises, where a lot of migrants work. Against this background, there will be a provocation (any) - they will kill someone, rape them, and they will do it almost live. As a result, a local artificial shortage of food products - a universal "deep feeling of personal dislike" - chaos - all the prerequisites for a revolution, and then it’s even scary to think.
    I’ll go to the store - buy croup and matches, while there is still .........
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 21 October 2013 17: 11
      +4
      Quote: APES
      Turn on the brain, remove the microscope (TV) from the eyes, through which we are used to looking at the world, take a bird's eye view of the world
      Well, it wouldn’t be bad ...

      1. The swamp scenario failed
      Why would? Everything just succeeded - people were frightened by the "orange revolution" as a result of which the guys in power retained this power.

      Are you able to write causal relationships of the "swamp scenario", or were you told about its failure through the "microscope"?

      In the framework of this and in the light of recent events, it is clear that a “nationalist” card is being played out
      Based on the fact that the framework indicated by you is not correct, the conclusion is incorrect.

      Plus, the hysteria raised in the press on the national issue, there is an information pump
      Something I did not notice: what is revealed is at best 5 percent of the total problem.

      and then it’s even scary to think
      Are you frightening visitors to the site, or is it just that you’re hysterical?

      I’ll go to the store - buy cereals and matches, while there are still
      Airing is always useful smile
      1. APES
        APES 21 October 2013 19: 16
        0
        I agree with you, only one remark - “the guys in power” are heterogeneous, there is a struggle there until they stand on ceremony with each other, but at the same time they understand that there will be no mercy.
        Next year I think it will be “funny”.
        And in all this, it’s best for an ordinary person to step aside from the “THEIR” High Showdowns and not allow themselves to be used.
  49. Combitor
    Combitor 21 October 2013 15: 52
    +5
    I read Romodanovsky's "revelation" in the Academy of Sciences. I want to cite it almost completely:
    // The head of the FMS does not believe in the possibility of a visa regime with neighboring countries.
    The head of the Federal Migration Service, Konstantin Romodanovsky, believes that Russia’s introduction of a visa regime with neighboring countries is unlikely, since it is economically unprofitable ... According to Romodanovsky, the issue of benefit and disadvantage should be a priority, and for Russia, any integration is definitely beneficial from all points of view - both from the economic and from the point of view of ordinary citizens. As an example, Romodanovsky cited Ukraine, which so far cannot decide which path to take, and the budget suffers because of this.
    Romodanovsky believes that it is not necessary to fence off visas from neighbors, but comfortable conditions should be created for educated and promising foreigners.
    For example, those who will study at Russian universities will be able to find work without quotas. Romodanovsky believes that it is not necessary to block off visas from neighbors, but comfortable conditions should be created for educated and promising foreigners. // AN-online. 21.10.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
    That's not much and not enough. It turns out that an army of uneducated people who have no profession, who cannot speak Russian, immigrants from Central Asia, are an economic jack for raising Russia from its knees. Without this horde, we will not be able to enter the economic paradise. In addition, they can still be trained in Russian universities (he did not offer a budgetary basis for this?), So that later they could get a job in Russia without any quotas. Direct speech of some traitor. Maybe Romodanovsky is supported by Bishkek, Tashkent, Baku and Astana at the same time? Otherwise, nothing can explain his lobbying for the interests of the "Muslims". For such words, Romodanovsky should be driven from work and sent to permanent residence there, whose interests he so zealously defends.
    1. mixxlll
      mixxlll 21 October 2013 16: 00
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      quotas cannot be traced in principle.
  50. mixxlll
    mixxlll 21 October 2013 15: 59
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    Introduce a visa for immigrants from Asia, and leave the rest as it is.