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October 19 1097, on the advice of princes in Lyubech, Russia’s division into fiefdoms was legalized

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October 19 1097, on the advice of princes in Lyubech, Russia’s division into fiefdoms was legalized 19 October 1097, on the advice of the princes in Lubeche, the principle of the princes inheriting the lands of their fathers was proclaimed. This decision ascertained the existence of a new political system in Russia, and should have led to the cessation of inter-princely strife over the frontiers and rallying them against the Polovtsi who had ruined Russian lands. Now, each of the princes ruled independently on the land, inherited from his father - “each shall have his fatherland”. This decision legitimized the actual division of Rus into specific princedoms.


The events of previous years convinced the princes of the need for this decision. Against the background of constant Polovtsian raids and campaigns, there was a struggle between the Grand Duke of Kiev Svyatopolk Izyaslavich, the rulers of Chernihiv and Seversk lands, Ryazan, Murom and Tmutarakan princes Oleg and Davyd Svyatoslavich, and also the Pereyaslavl Prince Vladimir Monomakh and his sons. A real civil war was raging in Russia. In 1094, Oleg, together with the Polovtsy, forced Vladimir Monomakh to leave Chernigov and go to Pereyaslavl. Vladimir Vsevolodovich even built the fortress of Osteretsky Gorodets in the middle of the road from Chernigov to Kiev, in order to make it difficult for his rivals to bond. In May 1096, Vladimir Monomakh beat Chernigov with an unexpected blow, Oleg retreated to Starodub, where he was surrounded. Oleg was almost defeated, but the Allied Cumans rescued him - they hit the Pereyaslav principality and Kiev. The Chernigov prince was able to slip away to Smolensk, where his brother Prince Davyd was sitting at that time.

In 1095, the son of Vladimir - Izyaslav captured owned by Oleg Moore. Prince Oleg, gathering troops in Smolensk, marched on Murom and demanded Izyaslav to leave his ancestral place in his father's fiefdom - to Rostov and Suzdal. But Prince Izyaslav gathered an army to defend Murom from among the Rostovites, Suzdalians and Belozertsy and decided to give battle. In the battle under the walls of Murom, Prince Izyaslav died, his army was defeated. As a result of the victory, Oleg's troops occupied Murom, Rostov and Suzdal. However, Mstislav and Vyacheslav Vladimirovich with the help of the Novgorod, Pereyaslav and Polovtsian troops forced Oleg to retreat. Mstislav set off in pursuit and defeated Oleg in the spring of 1097, at the confluence of the Kolokshi River into Klyazma. Mstislav captured Oleg's patrimony - Ryazan and Murom.

The situation of Prince Oleg became hopeless, and he was forced to agree to peace and take part in the congress, which was supposed to end the quarrels and civil strife. Moreover, the balance of power was such that Monomakh, who won a military victory, could not dictate his terms. The congress was not assembled in Kiev or Pereyaslavl, but in Oleg's birthplace — the ancient Lyubech. The city was located at the junction of Kiev, Chernihiv and Smolensk lands. At the congress came - Svyatopolk Izyaslavich, Vladimir Monomakh, Oleg and Davyd Svyatoslavich, David Igorevich and Vasilko Rostislavich.

Princes argued, poured insults, but did not object to the general idea. Monomakh insisted that Russia is dying of contention, “almost ruining the Russian land,” and the Polovtsy, “we will bring the land to the ground.” In order to avoid welfare for the future, the princes decided “let every man have his father-in-law”. What fathers owned, let their children own. Svyatopolk Izyaslavich received Kiev and Turov; Vladimir - Pereyaslavl, the border area to Kursk, Suzdal-Rostov land, Smolensk and Beloozero; Svyatoslavichi divided among themselves the land of his father - Davyd received Chernigov, Oleg - Novgorod-Seversky, Yaroslav - Murom. David Igorevich got Vladimir-Volynsky and Lutsk, Vasilka with Volodar Rastislavich - Terebovl, Cherven and Przemysl.

Transitions by a ladder from one inheritance to another were canceled. It was assumed that this decision will not cause the collapse of a single power. Kiev was recognized as a common property, the throne of the Grand Duke was still passing by seniority, the younger princes were to obey the Kiev monarch. The princes together kissed the cross: "Let the Russian land be our common fatherland, and whoever rebel against his brother, we will all rebel." Thus, already having deep cracks, dissecting the state, were legalized. As the “princely tribe” grew, Rus continued to break up, with which the princes ’capabilities fell, to solve national problems. On the other hand, each prince wanted to decorate his land, city, invited various craftsmen, artisans, architects. The flowering of local cultures began, the economy developed. But we must not forget that these successes could not compensate for the dramatic narrowing of the princes' ability to solve national affairs.

In addition, the decisions of the princes of a fraternal alliance remained good wishes. Vladimir was dissatisfied with the fact that he could not secure a military victory over Oleg - he got in South Russia constantly ruined Pereyaslavl and border lands. Svyatopolk was also not satisfied. Kiev was not a hereditary possession, only Turovo-Pinsk land could be left to descendants. In court circles, it was rumored that Vladimir Monomakh had conspired with Vasilko Terebovlsky against Svyatopolk. Possession of Cornflower was small, but he was a skillful commander and possessed strategic thinking. He had plans with the help of the Pechenegs, Torks and Berendeys to seize Poland, Bulgaria, settle some Bulgarians in their possessions - “seize the Bulgarians of the Danube and plant them”, and then hit the Polovtsy.

Vasilko returned from Lyubech to his land through Kiev and was invited to the palace of Svyatopolk. In Kiev, he was captured and the henchmen of Vladimir-Volynsk Prince Davyd Igorevich gouged out Vasilko's eyes and took him to Vladimir-Volynsk and were thrown into a dungeon. This event triggered a new civil war. As soon as it became known about this monstrous event, Monomakh was the first to sound the alarm, as if justifying the rumors of collusion with Cornflower, appealed to the former enemies, Davyd and Oleg Svyatoslavich. Davyd and Oleg supported him, immediately led the squad. The united army stood by the city. Svyatopolk panicked, he did not have the strength to fight the combined forces of the three strong princes. He even wanted to escape. But then the Kiev church boyar elite intervened, it did not open the gates to Monomakh, who was at the Kiev table’s step (in Kiev Monomakh’s authorities did not like, he was too independent), prevented Svyatopolk from escaping and expelled the negotiators. Metropolitan Nicholas (Greek) and his stepmother, Grand Duchess Anna, came to Monomakh. The Metropolitan turned the case so that it was Monomakh and Svyatoslavich who were tormenting Russia with a new swill.

Vladimir offered to immediately make peace with the Grand Duke. Monomakh was forced to retreat from Kiev, Svyatopolk was left alone. In Volyn, a fierce war broke out. Brother Vasilka, Volodar Peremyshlsky joined against Davyd Igorevich. Davyd was besieged in Buzhsk, gave his blinded prisoner to his brother, and then issued Rostislavich for execution and his advisers. Davyd dodged, dumped all the blame on the Grand Duke. As a result, Svyatopolk moved to him from Kiev. Pursued by the princes, Davyd fled to Poland. The prince of Kiev was not satisfied with Volyn and decided to take away Przemysl and Terebovl from Volodar and Vasilka. The brothers refused and defeated the army of Svyatopolk. The Kiev prince did not calm down, made an alliance with the Hungarians. Hungarian King Koloman with 40-th. army broke into Russia. But he was not going to give the Carpathian region Svyatopolk and his son Yaroslav. I decided to keep the land myself. He even brought bishops with an army to cross over Russians and officials for the occupying administration.

Vasilko and Volodar were besieged in Przemysl. At this time, returned Davyd Igorevich. The Poles did not give him help. The three princes, Davyd, Vasilko and Volodar, united in the face of a common threat, and called for help the troops of the Polovtsian Khan Bonyak. The Hungarian army suffered a terrible defeat in the battle of Vagra. In Volyn there were fights again, in which the son of Grand Duke Mstislav died. This massacre was stopped by a new convention in Vitichevo - in 1100. Svyatopolk, Vladimir Monomakh, Davyd and Oleg Svyatoslavich established a new world. Davyd Igorevich became the victim - he was deprived of Vladimir-Volynsky (Svyatopolk's son Yaroslav was put there). In return, Davyd received from Svyatopolk the townships Buzhsky Ostrog, Duben, Chartoryysk and Viru (monetary reward). Later Davydu gave another Dorogobuzh. In addition, they offended the blinded cornflower. He was apparently considered incapacitated and deprived Terebovlya, offering to go to his brother or to Kiev. However, Rostislavichi refused to fulfill this requirement, and Vasilko Rostislavich remained a Terebovalski prince until his death.
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  1. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 19 October 2013 07: 56
    +6
    from the Don.
    In addition, the decisions of the princes on a fraternal union remained good wishes.
    Good intentions lined the road to hell!
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 19 October 2013 09: 23
      20
      They want to achieve the same from today's Russia. Nobody needs us strong and united. Unless only for small states ... who see us as protection from "democratization" and subsequent chaos and plunder.
      1. Anubis Gorynych
        Anubis Gorynych 21 October 2013 07: 33
        0
        tried to vote for you, but it turned out that "I often vote for the same thing." I often notice this - I vote without looking at the names, but these are the same people. Like-minded people, however!
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 19 October 2013 14: 14
      +1
      I think that was great stupidity. Why split the state into destinies, and each offspring of the clan needed its own destiny. And whatever would be outraged, it’s better like the Turkish sultans - he ascended to the throne - all the brothers on the guillotine. But the power would be stronger.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 October 2013 20: 03
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        better like the Turkish sultans - ascended the throne - of all the brothers to the guillotine.
        Firstly, many centuries remained before the invention of the guillotine. Well, the truth is that an ordinary ax or sword could do quite well in skilled hands.
        Secondly, this tradition is purely specifically Muslim, and in civilized countries it does not belong to it. And Muslims did this because there were 4 wives, and there were countless concubines, so the brothers were mostly not relatives, but stepbrothers.
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 20 October 2013 20: 16
          0
          About the guillotine, I said figuratively. Well, ours was plenty. St. Vladimir had 13 sons and 10 daughters.
      2. alebor
        alebor 21 October 2013 10: 32
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        I think that was great stupidity.


        It is easy to condemn someone's stupidity by living 1000 years later. It is possible that in 1000 years we will be called fools. smile
        The princes acted in the spirit of their time - Russia entered a regular and, apparently, inevitable period of feudal fragmentation, an era through which probably all European (and not only European) countries passed.
        1. Trapperxnumx
          Trapperxnumx 21 October 2013 14: 59
          0
          It is easy to condemn someone's stupidity by living 1000 years later. It is possible that in 1000 years we will be called fools. smile


          They will, and they will do the right thing, because only ... uh ... not very smart people make the same mistakes twice. The creation of the CIS is also "good intentions" ... But in fact - the same feudal fragmentation, only 1000 years after Lyubech ((((
    3. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 October 2013 12: 02
      +4
      they also wanted to share everything ...
  2. Dimy4
    Dimy4 19 October 2013 08: 09
    18
    In 1991, the USSR was collapsed and an amorphous CIS was created. Let every man keep his fiefdom! The story repeated itself.
    1. SPAAARTAAA
      SPAAARTAAA 19 October 2013 10: 46
      +3
      History repeats itself twice - first in the form of tragedy, then in the form of farce. C. Marx
      1. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 20 October 2013 12: 05
        +3
        so they knew ...
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 19 October 2013 11: 43
      +2
      Simply put, on the same rake.
    3. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 October 2013 12: 04
      -5
      Channel 1 of Russian television.
      and you believe him ...
  3. kaktus
    kaktus 19 October 2013 08: 42
    11
    "And sedition grows between the princes,
    and is not visible from the princes of good "

    A word about Igor's regiment
  4. individual
    individual 19 October 2013 09: 11
    16
    In history, everything goes in a circle.
    The independence and unity of principalities and peoples alternate with the invasion of greedy neighbors.
    So it was in the 1000s, so it is in the 2000s.
    It takes a lot of trouble to understand that only together Russia is power!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 October 2013 10: 14
      +6
      Stronger than carrot and stick - idea (concept).
      As long as we have the biblical concept prevailing (from the 10-th century - divide, bleed and conquer) - we will run around in circles to the joy of the beaters.
      1. Anubis Gorynych
        Anubis Gorynych 21 October 2013 07: 37
        0
        tried to vote for you, but it turned out that "I often vote for the same thing." I often notice this - I vote without looking at the names, but these are the same people. Like-minded people, however!
      2. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx 21 October 2013 15: 10
        0
        While acting in Russia, as you call it
        bible concept
        , Russia has grown from Warsaw to Kamchatka. So do not talk about what you do not understand.
  5. sashka
    sashka 19 October 2013 09: 17
    +8
    The words "in koito eyelids" have not lost their relevance even now .. Everyone divides something, but cannot divide it. A living organism cannot be divided by definition .. Not amoeba, all the same ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 19 October 2013 10: 32
      +1
      Quote: Sasha
      .A living organism cannot be divided by definition

      As the practice of the collapse of the USSR showed, it is possible. Share and sell.
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 19 October 2013 12: 29
        10
        Yes, because corrupt politicians did not transfer to Russia, honor and dignity lost their significance. There was only a thirst for clicking.
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 19 October 2013 13: 14
          +4
          VARCHUN! You grind right. There are more than enough sales people. Many politicians when it comes to honor and dignity, for some reason, in the eyes of a calculator, zeros begin to jump, such as how much I have from this. I’m not talking about everyone like that, IS Normal.
          1. Gato
            Gato 19 October 2013 13: 35
            0
            Quote: Siberian
            IS Normal.

            Examples in the studio, please, and
            as follows:
  6. Diviz
    Diviz 19 October 2013 10: 06
    -2
    And they scored toys for themselves. Swords bows fed them. They took up rocket pistols in their hands. They began to scratch turnips about everyday life. One plus in this is less to the west for help began to run. We will help all of us.
  7. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 19 October 2013 10: 09
    +7
    Those princes even had an understanding that Russia should be united. The current rulers do not even have such words. There are also Albats come out with their ideas. Cut off her tongue.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 October 2013 10: 20
      +3
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      The current rulers do not even have such words.

      You are mistaken. Thanks to Putin, Russia has not collapsed and is gaining strength.
      1. Gato
        Gato 19 October 2013 10: 36
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        Thanks to Putin, Russia has not collapsed and is gaining strength.

        Thanks or contrary? And when will Putin not be? Will Russia fall apart?
        If everything depends only on Putin, then "something is wrong in the Danish kingdom" (C)
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 19 October 2013 11: 11
          +4
          Quote: Gato
          Thanks or contrary? And when will Putin not be? Will Russia fall apart?
          If everything depends only on Putin, then "something is wrong in the Danish kingdom" (C)


          Not anymore. What are shit, people, I hope, have learned well.
          Putin is neither king nor god. ~ 60% of his decrees are not executed ...
          There are still many "Yeltsinist comrades" in the "places"; in an instant they will not disappear ...
          1. Snoop
            Snoop 19 October 2013 12: 15
            +5
            That's right))) I watched a meeting on culture as Putin said Kalyagin, they say in 2011 you decided to provide grants to support small theaters. Here the theaters of the federal level have all received, all is well. But regional theaters have not received. There are all documents from them, everything was drawn up, all documents were handed over, not a single transfer since 2011))) Kalyagin said so - your order is not being executed. Putin sits and only plays with nodds - probably thinks, again stolen))))
            1. vostok1982
              vostok1982 19 October 2013 17: 18
              -3
              Well, even under Stalin and Peter the Great they stole it - and they forgave many. Because they understood that either in the upper posts there will be crystal-clear maniacs with hands to the elbow in the blood, or in some places thieving, but well-thinking satraps. Only a not-so-distant person might think that it would be easier for ordinary people to live with maniacs.
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 19 October 2013 14: 04
            -1
            Quote: Boris55
            You are mistaken. Thanks to Putin, Russia has not collapsed and is gaining strength.
            Extremely unfounded and completely illogical statement.

            Not anymore
            Why? What exactly has changed? What can depend on Putin in general if, according to your statements, the officials appointed by him and his appointees execute his orders only sporadically (apparently when it suits them), and he, poor, is not able to fire them or create an apparatus for himself (once so, why did he lie about a working vertical)?

            Putin is not king and not god
            However, it seems that you are praying for it ...
            For a change, can you familiarize yourself with his powers?

            There are still many "Yeltsinist comrades" in the "places"; in an instant they will not disappear ...
            And he himself, excuse me - who?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 19 October 2013 15: 08
              +4
              During perestroika, three main clans were formed in Russia - the Yeltsin clan, the Shaimiev clan and the Luzhkov clan. Putin's "appointment" to the president was their joint compromise solution that suits all the clans - they found the last person responsible for the collapse of Russia. Everything was already ready for this. Lebed's Khasovyurt agreements gave a start to the destruction of Russia. In the first terms of their presidency, the task of the siloviki, whose representative is Putin, is to prevent Russia from falling apart (the second Chechen one). Feed the people. Mission accomplished.
              In the last election, Putin received a mandate of trust from the people. Elite cleaning is in progress. Putin has a problem with personnel. Sometimes there is much less harm from a bribe taker than from a fool ...

              You can write a lot, but this is not entirely off topic.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 19 October 2013 16: 17
                -1
                Quote: Boris55
                During perestroika, three main clans were formed in Russia - the Yeltsin clan, the Shaimiev clan and the Luzhkov clan. Putin's "appointment" to the president was their joint compromise solution that suits all the clans - they found the last one responsible for the collapse of Russia
                These words - where is the evidence?
                You can write with the same success that the EBNya clan was controlled by the State Department, the Katz clan was controlled by the Masons, and the Shaimiev clan was controlled by the Anunahs. Here are just evidence of neither the presence of clans, nor the presence of control, nor the presence of anunahs (and other reptilians), nor the attitude of the defendants to a particular (and not to another) clan, I do not observe something - nor evidence of an agreement that entailed a compromise.

                Why do clans ruin Russia? This is trite unprofitable.

                Khasovyurt agreement Lebed gave start to the destruction of Russia. In the first term of his presidency, the task of the security forces, of which Putin is a representative, is to prevent Russia from falling apart (the second Chechen one). Feed the people. Mission accomplished
                Do you imagine the mechanism of the collapse of the country? The collapse is possible either when everyone wants it, as a result of which they relatively quietly scatter by agreement (that is, separation occurs), or when there is an armed conflict, and the warring parties are equal in strength (Korea).

                In the Russian Federation since the year 94-95, none of the above has been observed - Chechnya is not a competitor in the event of a full-scale war (and not a police operation when they are not allowed to fight).
                As for feeding the people, then you are substituting concepts: at the end of 99 the situation was stabilized and there was no talk of any "feeding" (try to single out significant negative factors in the social sphere that would have existed at the end of 99 and which did not exist would be at the beginning of 08th)

                In the last election, Putin received a mandate of trust from the people
                In the last elections, due to the substitution of concepts and the hysteria fanned by the media, the people were frightened with the "orange threat" - this is not a mandate of trust, but fear that it could be worse.

                Elite cleaning is in progress. Putin has a problem with personnel. Sometimes there is much less harm from a bribe taker than from a fool
                You express yourself with some kind of stamped insignificant phrases: Putin has no problem with the cadres - his cadres do not change and this is done deliberately - the appointment is not Glazyev, but Nabiullina, as an example, the whole reform policy, as an example of violation of the Constitution by her guarantor.
                Above, you generally wrote that his cadres are a clan of the security forces who saved Russia from collapse - did they abruptly become fools? And if they were never fools, but, based on your logic, corrupt, then what for they saved Russia from collapse, because, following your logic, again, the collapse was beneficial? And what happened to the 3 clans you described above - they (comrades who shot the White House and seemingly put the country on the brink of a civil war) well, did they lose their positions without a fight?

                For some reason, you take as an axiom Putin’s interest in the well-being of the country and the people, and for what reason this is being done, you cannot explain.

                You can write a lot, but this is not entirely off topic
                If we have a biblical concept, then on the topic.
      2. atomic
        atomic 19 October 2013 10: 44
        +3
        Putin has nothing to do with it, other more powerful forces are acting here. It’s not the territory and its size that matters, but the Russian people who inhabit it, and it is rapidly decreasing (700000 a year). Gogol said: If one village remains from Russia, Russia will revive. now the words of another author Mrgaret Thatcher: 15 million should remain Russian, to service the oil pipelines.
        It’s quite easy to understand what this or that leader represents, they have a little weakness, they choose their idols from the past. Putin has Peter-1, Shoigu has Baron Ungern. Draw the conclusions of the gentlemen.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 19 October 2013 11: 07
          +4
          Quote: atomic
          Putin has nothing to do with it; other more powerful forces are acting here.

          I heard this opinion: Putin is to blame for everything, but all the good things happen as an owl itself ...
          Do you remember how Putin began to come to power?
          Bringing laws throughout Russia to uniformity - to federal ones.
          In the 21 republic, which formed on the territory of Russia after the 90's, there were different laws and in many of the bottom the supremacy of local laws over federal ones was recognized. Do you remember the statements of Lebed - Moscow is a neighbor to us in the Urals. Do you remember Governor Rossel with the idea of ​​creating an independent Ural Republic .... but about what was happening in the Caucasus ...
          Human memory is short ...

          ps
          Putin in his actions is more like Stalin
          1. starhina01
            starhina01 19 October 2013 13: 47
            0
            Putin in his actions is more like Stalin .......... only rigidity is not enough even hidden hi
            1. T-73
              T-73 19 October 2013 13: 58
              +1
              not like methods, I won’t say sorry, but sometimes you have to be even cruel
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 19 October 2013 14: 14
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            I heard this opinion: Putin is to blame for everything, but all the good things happen as an owl itself ...
            You are confusing - for a long time everyone knows that it’s the fault of the Bear, and the good thing is the merit of Putin alone.

            Do you remember how Putin began to come to power?
            Bringing laws throughout Russia to uniformity - to federal ones.
            Actually, from the unconstitutional 12th Federal Law

            In the 21 republics that formed on the territory of Russia after the 90s, there were different laws and in many of the bottom the supremacy of local laws over federal laws was recognized
            Well, there are 2-3 examples - where is it on the territory of the Russian Federation that local laws had legal priority over federal ones?

            Do you remember the statements of Lebed - Moscow is a neighbor to us in the Urals. Do you remember Governor Rossel with the idea of ​​creating an independent Ural Republic ...
            I don’t remember - kind links.

            but about what was happening in the Caucasus ...
            And the Caucasus currently lives de jure according to the laws of the Russian Federation, and de facto in its own way.

            Putin in his actions is more like Stalin
            Is it in which?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 19 October 2013 16: 16
              0
              Remember those times, or were you still in an unconscious age? Then check out.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 19 October 2013 16: 48
                +2
                Quote: Boris55
                Remember those times, or were you still in an unconscious age?
                I remember those times quite well, but you seem to learn about them from the program of the prostituted journalist Karaulov, who claims that he is responsible for his words and at the same time replicates Zhenya Fedorov's chatter about the great Pu, who allegedly returned oil money to Russia by canceling it in 04 year and the current law "on production sharing agreements."

                Please be kind enough to respond to the post in your own words, and if you insert the video, then indicate at what time and for what - there’s no strength once again to revisit this nonsense (by the way, did you pay attention to the musical accompaniment? emotional level: this is what happens at meetings of various sects)
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 October 2013 18: 02
                  -1
                  Big Ural Republic
                  As far back as April 25 of 1993 in the territory of the Sverdlovsk Region, a referendum of residents was held, which approved the issue of expanding the powers of the regional government in the socio-economic sphere to the level of republican authority. Immediately, work began on creating our own constitution for the Ural Republic, while Eduard Rossel cautiously said that, we quote, “we do not need sovereignty, but we really need economic and legislative independence”. In principle, everyone still had a fresh thought in their minds once expressed by Boris Yeltsin that the subjects of the Federation could take sovereignty as much as they could.

                  DECREE
                  Governor of the Ural Republic
                  from xnumx october xnumx year
                  No. 1 Yekaterinburg
                  On the exercise of the powers of the Governor of the Ural Republic
                  In connection with the assignment to the head of the administration of the Sverdlovsk region of the exercise of the powers of the Governor of the Ural Republic and in accordance with paragraph 4 of the Transitional Provisions of the Constitution of the Ural Republic
                  I RESOLVE:
                  1. To inform the population and organizations of the Ural Republic that the exercise of the powers of the Governor of the Ural Republic has been entrusted to the head of the administration of the Sverdlovsk Region since 31 on October 1993.
                  2. To entrust the regional government with the election of the first governor of the republic to fulfill the powers of the government of the Ural Republic, as defined by the Constitution of the Ural Republic.
                  3. To instruct the Prime Minister (Trushnikov V.G.) to prepare proposals on the structure of the executive branch by December 12 of 1993.
                  And about. Governor of the Ural Republic E.ROSSEL

                  Oddly enough, I did not find the video of Swan's statement. Although three years ago it was possible to find him without difficulty.
                  Trust me. I saw this video from him - Moscow, for us, is a neighbor beyond the Urals, I saw it. He was shown on TV at the time.

                  In the republics that recognize their laws higher than federal ones - Chechnya, Dagestan, Bashkortostan, Tatarstan.

                  You have a question:
                  What do you think, where did Putin get the money for the timely payment of pensions, allowances, salaries for the rearmament of the army?
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 19 October 2013 18: 55
                    0
                    Suppose that tomorrow, any subject of the federation begins to write a constitution for himself and scream about secession from the Russian Federation - will these attempts have legal force?
                    They will not, since separatism is separatism (Vasya can consider himself Napoleon - the essence of his status does not change from this), but neither article 8 of the Declaration on the sovereignty of the RSFSR, which was in force then (and has not been canceled so far), or part 5 Article 66 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in force since December 93 does not imply the unilateral withdrawal of entities from the Federation.
                    Plus - by the end of the 99th year on the whole territory of the Russian Federation, with the exception of the Caucasus, these issues were resolved and were no longer raised, that is, Putin has nothing to do with their solution.
                    Plus - instead of eradicating the problem of separatism in the Caucasus once and for all, Putin drove it deep into the depths of the Russian Federation (this is not about the disintegration of the entire Russian Federation, but about integrity) and interethnic relations "a time bomb" - he is really involved in this.

                    Quote: Boris55
                    What do you think, where did Putin get the money for the timely payment of pensions, allowances, salaries for the rearmament of the army?
                    A persistent, and from the 99th, fast growth in energy prices and an increase in their consumption began (oil prices went up 04 times, consumption increased 10 times, which together gave a 2-fold increase in foreign exchange earnings)
                    At the same time, the tales of the evil West, which plundered the Russian Federation under PSA agreements, are bullshit, since only 3 agreements have been concluded in the field of oil production (they are still in force), and since mid-99, 19-FZ has been amended, which amended the law on agreements and declaring that foreigners can claim no more than 30% of explored and recorded reserves.

                    It is also worth noting that salaries, pensions, etc. in the EBNensky period, they were not paid not because production died (it has been dying from the beginning of privatization to this day) or there was no money, but because the money was used inappropriately (for example, it was allocated to T-bills), and this happened as a result of the deliberate failure of the prosecutor to fulfill his duties , which gave rise to irresponsibility of employers in the person of the state and private traders.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 19 October 2013 19: 56
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                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      ... which together gave an increase in currency receipts by 20 times ...
                      ... salaries, pensions, etc. during the EBNensky period, they were not paid, not because production died ... or there was no money, but because the money was used inappropriately ... both in the person of the state and private traders.


                      Based on your logic, the price of oil jumped so that thieves and bribe takers were not able to steal so much and therefore began to pay wages. Did I understand you correctly? wassat
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 19 October 2013 20: 49
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                        Quote: Boris55
                        Based on your logic, the price of oil jumped so that thieves and bribe takers were not able to steal so much and therefore began to pay wages. Did I understand you correctly?

                        Besides ernichany nothing to answer? smile

                        Based on my logic, thieves are very stupid guys who quickly realized that the salaries of workers can be used to their advantage, and if people are forced to sell vouchers, then you can easily become the owner of the enterprise.
                        And their affairs were so successful that for the redistribution of property they had to bring down the GKO market and create a real shortage of money.

                        Now there is no point in delaying meager salaries (although it sometimes happens)
                      2. Boris55
                        Boris55 20 October 2013 07: 59
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        ... but neither the article of the 8-th Declaration on the sovereignty of the RSFSR, which was in force then (and has not been repealed so far), nor the part of the 5-th article of the 66-th in force since December 93-year of the Constitution of the Russian Federation does not imply the withdrawal of subjects from the Federation unilaterally...


                        Are you so naive or are you holding me for a fool?
                        This is when these laws saved the state from coups and revolutions?

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        ... Based on my logic, thieves are very stupid guys who quickly realized that the salaries of workers can be used to their advantage ...


                        They returned to their circles - all good things by itself ... the thieves themselves thought better of it, their conscience woke up ...

                        How do you feel about the person in history?
                        Apparently, what you wrote, her personality, doesn’t matter at all, and such surnames as Alexander, Napoleon, Bismarck, etc. are just an empty phrase that has no meaning in history.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        ... and if you force people to sell vouchers, then you can without straining to become the owner of the enterprise.
                        And their affairs were so successful that for the redistribution of property they had to bring down the GKO market and create a real shortage of money ...


                        A favorite pastime of my unloved part of society is shifting responsibility from a sore point to a healthy one ...
                        When vouchers were bought and T-bills were dropped, who heard about Putin?

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Hold up now meager salaries there is no point (although sometimes it happens)


                        Arguing this, what do you compare with what salary?
                        And again, the thieves began to conscience ....
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 20 October 2013 12: 57
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                        Quote: Boris55
                        This is when these laws saved the state from coups and revolutions
                        Never, and precisely because of this, the contradictory nature of your statements is clearly manifested:

                        You write above that Russia did not fall apart thanks to Putin, now that anyone who wants to do this and the laws do not hold him back is the contradiction: the desire of the subject to separate is legally untenable (my example is with Vasya Napoleon), but if the subject is very if he wants, he spits on the law and takes himself out of his action, the consequence of which (if the separation of the subject is not interesting to anyone except the subject) is a forceful solution to the issue (my example with Korea), and since the subject is unable to confront the whole, an attempt offices are initially doomed to failure (which I write about, claiming that Chechnya is not Korea).

                        The Caucasus could and can be separated only within the framework of the provisions of the current legislation (it is worth noting that the separation of the subject is not the collapse of the Russian Federation, namely the withdrawal from the structure), since the attempt to separate through the force method is definitely doomed.
                        1 By the time Putin began fulfilling his duties as president, the issue of separatism was only in the Caucasus - it was resolved in the rest of the territory.
                        2 The issue of separatism in the Caucasus is not yet resolved, but flooded with subsidies.
                        3 Even if for a second we assume that the Caucasus will be able to separate by force (which is impossible in principle), this will not lead to the collapse of the Russian Federation.
                        Therefore, your statements that Putin saved Russia from collapse are untenable.

                        They returned to their circles - all good things by itself ... the thieves themselves changed their minds, conscience woke up
                        Either you are distorting, or I did not explain well: for the period 98-99, the market was redistributed in favor of big capital, tied to the Power, free entrepreneurs remained only in small business, everyone has on the principle of "who studied what". The main task is to preserve the status quo and prevent a riot - not only is there no point in non-payment of already meager wages, it is fraught with instability, which is no longer necessary for the existing system.

                        How do you feel about the person in history?
                        Leadership is harmful; personality as such does not exist in history.
                        Where would Napoleon be without his generals, where would Alexander be without the people following him?
                        I speak of Putin only as a personification of Power.

                        Favorite occupation of my unloved part of society shifting responsibility from a sore head to a healthy one
                        The paradox is that this is what you are doing.

                        When vouchers were bought and T-bills were dropped, who heard about Putin?
                        Chubais.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Arguing this, what do you compare with what salary?
                        The average salary in the Russian Federation is below the minimum wage (as a percentage of PPP GDP per capita) characteristic of the social state.
  8. VARCHUN
    VARCHUN 19 October 2013 12: 32
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    And what about the fact that Russia will soon lose Siberia altogether, Ermak slowly turns over in the grave. Where is this Putin. China has long been looking at Lake Baikal and the land, and Vladivostok with street signs in Chinese.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 October 2013 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: Varchun
      What about the fact that Russia will soon lose Siberia altogether,

      Do not wait!
    2. washi
      washi 20 October 2013 09: 08
      +1
      Quote: Varchun
      And what about the fact that Russia will soon lose Siberia altogether, Ermak slowly turns over in the grave. Where is this Putin. China has long been looking at Lake Baikal and the land, and Vladivostok with street signs in Chinese.

      I have not seen a single street name in Chinese. To APEC, some were duplicated in English.
      And China leases land in Ukraine (for now)
    3. svp67
      svp67 20 October 2013 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: Varchun
      .China has long been looking at Lake Baikal and the land
      Yes, it’s not forbidden to watch, but to climb ...
  • Gato
    Gato 19 October 2013 10: 30
    +3
    The principle of the princes' inheritance of the lands of their fathers was proclaimed.

    And before, how was it?
    It seems to me that the author kept silent about the principle of the birthright, when the lands of the prince were not divided between all the sons, but were given only to the eldest. The feudal fragmentation of Russia (and Europe as well) began not least because of the abolition of this principle.
  • Betahon
    Betahon 19 October 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Unfortunately, the Russian princes always had a lot of foreign advisers in the swmt, among whom were hidden enemies with certain missions - poison, poison, divide, etc. Many missions ended successfully, but it was still not possible to counterbalance a worthy counterintelligence ... although some attempts were already being made in this matter
    1. Gato
      Gato 19 October 2013 13: 59
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      Quote: Betahon
      then it was still not possible ... although some attempts were already being made in this matter

      Well, yes, all adults.
      And the rest are just kids
  • niskifss
    niskifss 19 October 2013 11: 07
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    Quote: individ
    In history, everything goes in a circle.
    The independence and unity of principalities and peoples alternate with the invasion of greedy neighbors.
    So it was in the 1000s, so it is in the 2000s.
    It takes a lot of trouble to understand that only together Russia is power!

    I agree with everything except Russia, I think Russia will be right.
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  • avt
    avt 19 October 2013 11: 49
    +3
    A good article, a topical topic. It is this fact that can be called the starting point of the "destruction of the Russian land" described in the legend of the same name. With this act, they opened the stabbing of all against all, which was later attributed to the Mongol yoke.
    1. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 19 October 2013 12: 35
      +3
      I completely agree, Kievan Rus was, but the brothers with their manners began to soar.
  • Horn
    Horn 19 October 2013 13: 06
    +1
    Nothing changes: and now the thieves in law are gathering a gangway and divide the territory, appointing their, t.s., Baskaks, to collect tribute. Or simply bandits agree on the division of spheres of influence.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 19 October 2013 13: 08
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    kaktus RU Today, 08:42 AM
    "And sedition grows between the princes,
    and is not visible from the princes of good "
    A word about Igor's regiment


    Honestly admit I "don't get it" the message of this article. Either the author wants to say how bad it is that the princes divide and divide everything, or does he want to say that the "division" is inevitable? Whom does the author want to "encourage" to "feat, or from what does he want to save? How does" LADY "sing - I DID NOT UNDERSTAND ...
  • WIN969
    WIN969 19 October 2013 13: 13
    +5
    Zyuganov suggests imprisoning for calls for the division of Russia
    http://ria.ru/politics/20131019/971188651.html

    I am for such a law.
    1. starhina01
      starhina01 19 October 2013 13: 51
      +3
      agree with you. hi consider them enemies of the people angry
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 19 October 2013 13: 20
    +2
    Zyuganov then calls, but his ideas somehow "dissolve" in the air all the time. As a "leader" - none, he cannot "change" the situation in anything, just words ...
    1. starhina01
      starhina01 19 October 2013 13: 53
      +1
      however, for a long time afloat, whatever one may say, the idea put forward may support him hi
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 19 October 2013 14: 20
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      Quote: ia-ai00
      cannot "change" the situation in anything, words alone ...

      That's because people are interesting: at first they are afraid of the civil war, and then they complain that Zu cannot reverse the situation ...

      Tell Olga - how do you think he should break it? EP has the majority, and even a lawyer in the wings - what do you think Zu should do?

      Who chooses EP, who chooses Vova?
      1. Babon
        Babon 19 October 2013 14: 41
        +2
        I do not know how to relate to the SJ, but there are rumors. that in 1996 he actually won the election, and he immediately ran EBN congratulations on the victory. I do not know if it is true or not, but EBN was really not so popular, but the bam won.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 19 October 2013 14: 57
          +3
          Quote: Babon
          I do not know how to relate to the SJ, but there are rumors. that in 1996 he actually won the election, and he immediately ran EBN congratulations on the victory. I do not know if it is true or not, but EBN was really not so popular, but the bam won.

          The story is muddy, the devil only knows what was there - whether they bought a siu, or something else (the story with the "letter of 13").
          He himself states that he was afraid of a denouement in the form of a civil war.

          But first, Putin’s stocks were many times larger, but they prefer not to notice them.
          And secondly, blaming Zu for his inability to turn the tide, while EP is the majority, is already a cognitive dissonance.
        2. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 19 October 2013 15: 33
          +2
          And to our open spaces this rumor is heard that he (Zyuganov) was either afraid, or did not want to TAKE power.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 19 October 2013 16: 19
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            Quote: ia-ai00
            And to our open spaces this rumor is heard that he (Zyuganov) was either afraid, or did not want to TAKE power.

            Forming your views on rumors is fraught ...
      2. pint45
        pint45 19 October 2013 15: 19
        +2
        All those who, under this power, feed from the same feeder; no matter which party the clowns belong to, in a word.
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 20 October 2013 09: 19
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Who chooses EP, who chooses Vova?

        Interesting logic ...
        So Zyu Communist Party is allowed to create? Zhirinovsky-LDPR? Yavlinsky - an apple?
        And why Putin-NZYaa?
        Do you actually know why the parties are created? It seems not, but trying to talk about politics ...

        In the last election, Putin won along with the popular front if you are not in the know.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 October 2013 13: 07
          -1
          Quote: Boris55
          And why Putin-NZYaa?
          Yes, as much as you like, just don’t have to talk about liberal liberals from the United Russia who Putin is allegedly fighting with.

          Do you actually know why the parties are created?
          United Russia was created to support a specific president, that is, to enforce legislation beneficial to the guys you called the "clan of security officials."

          In the last election, Putin won along with the popular front if you are not in the know.
          Really? laughing
          Well, tell me how he was nominated by the NF, and how EP did not receive the majority
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 20 October 2013 14: 01
            -1
            Quote: Yarosvet
            EP was created to support a specific president

            Any party is created by the leader or under the leader, possibly the future president. Didn't you know that?

            Quote: Yarosvet
            Well, tell me how he was nominated by the NF, and how EP did not receive the majority


            Favorite thing shit to interfere all in a heap.
            State Duma elections and presidential elections are different elections!

            ps
            EP is a symbiosis of representatives of three clans and each with its own ambitions. Remember how the EP was formed and which parties entered it.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 20 October 2013 15: 43
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              Quote: Boris55
              Any party is created by the leader or under the leader, possibly the future president
              The essence of the question is not what I know / I don’t know, but that despite this statement, you are trying to convince yourself and the others that Putin’s policy and EP’s policy are different - that is, you persistently contradict yourself.

              State Duma elections and presidential elections are different elections!
              Yeah, only you yourself write above that the person who is the president and the person who created the EP and pulling it along in order to pursue its policy is one person who goes to the polls just from EP.

              EP is a symbiosis of representatives of three clans and each with its own ambitions. Remember how the EP was formed and which parties entered it.
              Which once again suggests that your 3 "clans" have long merged into one, have one policy and pursue the same goals. Putin's nomination from the United Russia Party suggests that there is no disagreement or difference between Vova and United Russia, and the unanimous vote followed by the signing of the bill adopted by the United Russia (no veto) once again confirms this.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 19 October 2013 14: 50
    +2
    power in unity. And whoever does not understand this or does not want to understand is the enemy
  • Gora66
    Gora66 19 October 2013 15: 33
    +1
    The thirst for power, attempts to achieve power (on a domestic or on a global scale) at any cost is the worst thing in this world.
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  • Kremnev
    Kremnev 19 October 2013 20: 48
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    I believe that now the main thing is to stop withdrawing funds abroad at any cost and adopt a law on the effectiveness of business management (remember Pikalyovo), which makes it possible to take away any aluminum plant from any prokhorovy if the owner has not invested in new technologies, etc. I’m sure that the efficiency production will help preserve the unity and integrity of the country. Like all adults, draw parallels, draw conclusions.
  • Shogun23
    Shogun23 20 October 2013 10: 47
    +1
    at the council of princes in Lubec, the division of Rus into specific principalities was legalized

    Such a nikher, the too complicated order of inheritance of lands was abolished, which led to fragmentation and civil strife by any means, and Monomakh just kept the then Russian state.
  • shasha
    shasha 20 October 2013 11: 38
    0
    this squabble is now the same ............
  • zub46
    zub46 20 October 2013 14: 28
    +2
    I was always firmly convinced that any socio-political formation, which the state is, was created by bandits. A little on this topic is said in the work of F. Engels "On the Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State". Judge for yourself: there is a separate group, say, farmers or pastoralists. They are regularly attacked by another similar group to take away crops, livestock and women. In the first group, an initiative group appears, taking on the duties of protection. With the growth of self-confidence, the guards begin to conquer the weaker and expand and defend the territories of their tribe. The leader of the militants becomes the leader. Is this not the birth of princes, including great rulers, or, from modern history, "Kolya Piterskiy" and the like?
  • pavelk
    pavelk 22 October 2013 05: 10
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    Thank you, a very interesting and educational article.
    Still, a couple of links to the originals would not hurt. It would be useful for lectures by USAA to the natives.